Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[gambit1990]

bertans!

[Mal]

Nice pass from Murray to our new strech four

[loveforthegame]

Bertans will be a much needed boost off the bench.

[John Petrucci]

Yea that looked a lot like Bonner or Korver :lol

[raybies]

Man, has to be the last game and then we get this. Dang it!!!

[Obstructed_View]

8 points in like 30 seconds. Definitely the Anti-Bonner.

[SAGirl]

I definitely see Bertans playing this season.

[jyra]

Just give it to Bertans.

[SAGirl]

8 points in like 30 seconds. Definitely the Anti-Bonner.
:lol. Comparison is not even in the same neighborhood. Bertans plays like a wing.

[r0drig0lac]

Nice pass from Murray to our new sf backup

[Obstructed_View]

Now play defense, guys.

[ceperez]

I definitely see Bertans playing this season.

No doubt about this. Honestly, Spurs lineup is very thin... I expect him to be suited up every game.

[SAGirl]

Dijon heroball pays off lol

[Obstructed_View]

Murray is a fucking idiot. He inbounded the ball AGAIN.

[John Petrucci]

Of course Lol

[loveforthegame]

Bertans and Murray leading the way. :tu

[ceperez]

Well, Murray has impressive talents.

[Mal]

Murray playing pretty good

[Obstructed_View]

ESPN3 can suck my dick. It just shut off.

[SAGirl]

Dijon got this!!!

[raybies]

Finally a group that works!!!!

[tonight...you]

ESPN3 can suck my dick. It just shut off.
Me too.

[Obstructed_View]

Someone at ESPN was on the ball. They turned it back on right before the inbounds pass. :lol

[John Petrucci]

Dijon and Bertans on floor together are great.

[Obstructed_View]

NOW PLAY DEFENSE!

[Mal]

OT, 5 more minutes watching Murray

[gambit1990]

Someone at ESPN was on the ball. They turned it back on right before the inbounds pass. :lol
i almost closed the youtube window, so glad i didn't.

[loveforthegame]

More Bertans and Murray. :tu

[td4mvp2k]

Murray needs improve his f'n D ffs

[Obstructed_View]

Joel Meyers loved Javonte Murray.

[raybies]

Yes!!! 2 more minutes!!!

[tonight...you]

Dijon and Bertans on floor together are great.
They are going to RULE the summer league next year.

[gambit1990]

OT

[Obstructed_View]

i almost closed the youtube window, so glad i didn't.

I minimized it and started to get up and heard it come back on.

[ceperez]

Hoping LJC is sufficient warmed up to show some talent... any talent.

[Obstructed_View]

So I think we all agree that Bertans was worth the wait?

[John Petrucci]

They are going to RULE the summer league next year.

Not sure if sarcasm...

[ceperez]

Bertans definitely has a lot of range... he's going to be deadly (with Chip's coaching).

[tonight...you]

So I think we all agree that Bertans was worth the wait?
Definitely. Even if he missed more shots, just his activity and ability to be a positive on the court was a big plus.

[John Petrucci]

So I think we all agree that Bertans was worth the wait?

YES :bobo

[r0drig0lac]

wow

[tonight...you]

Not sure if sarcasm...
It was.

[Mal]

Murray is ballin

[Spurs Brazil]

Bertans will be a good player.

[Obstructed_View]

Murray waits until nobody expects him to pass, and he passes. He's playing chess.

[tonight...you]

Bertans definitely has a lot of range... he's going to be deadly (with Chip's coaching).
I don't know if there is much for Chip to do with Bertans' shot. It looks good already.

[SPURt]

I hope Murray farts in his detractors mouths a lot this season. What a great game he's having.

[raybies]

Surround Murray with shooters and he starts playing out of mind! Not a coincidence. Gives him the space to drive and if they help it's a three. My goodness! Hi haters:lol

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know if there is much for Chip to do with Bertans' shot. It looks good already.

Only thing he has to do is not get lost on defense and he'll get minutes.

[John Petrucci]

Hopefully someone puts together a nice highlights video for Bertan's game today.

[Obstructed_View]

Don't know how they fucking called that on Bertans. :lol

[tonight...you]

Only thing he has to do is not get lost on defense and he'll get minutes.
I think he's going to do just fine on this team. He's going to be a very rich man in a couple of years.

[John Petrucci]

Great interior D by Bertans there

[Obstructed_View]

Wow. Spurs can't buy calls even against a winless team.

[SAGirl]

Hoping LJC is sufficient warmed up to show some talent... any talent.
Frankly of this group Bertans shows that he's a pro player with experience at a high level in Europe. He can play right away. Dijon is raw but definitely talented, more than Simmons IMO, specially as a PnR passer, and him and Simmons are too similar and won't jive well, specially with Simmons not shooting that 3. Forbes can shoot and seems to have high IQ. No one else stood out.

LJC needs dleague badly. Cady didn't stand out. Arci is a good game manager but nothing special at anything. I didn't see enough of Hanlan to have an opinion on him.

[Obstructed_View]

Great interior D by Bertans there

He got cleared out and still managed to force the miss.

[tonight...you]

Dijon... lol, I would hate that for a nickname.

[Obstructed_View]

Frankly of this group Bertans shows that he's a pro player with experience at a high level in Europe. He can play right away. Dijon is raw but definitely talented, more than Simmons IMO, specially as a PnR passer, and him and Simmons are too similar and won't jive well, specially with Simmons not shooting that 3. Forbes can shoot and seems to have high IQ. No one else stood out.

LJC needs dleague badly. Cady didn't stand out. Arci is a good game manager but nothing special at anything. I didn't see enough of Hanlan to have an opinion on him.

Yeah, I think Simmons is going to have a short rope in camp.

[SPURt]

Bertans was fun! If he turns into a player that Indiana trade looks crazy.

[gambit1990]

never cared for the very little i've ever seen from LJC. don't care about him.

[tonight...you]

Bertans was fun! If he turns into a player that Indiana trade looks crazy.
Could you imagine us fans, if the trade were the other way around? Sweet Jesus!

[r0drig0lac]

trade hill for bertans and kawhi

[td4mvp2k]

nnoko... nice id like to see more

[palangi]

I hope Murray farts in his detractors mouths a lot this season. What a great game he's having.

I hope he shits down ceperez throat.

[Obstructed_View]

Dijon... lol, I would hate that for a nickname.

His actual nickname is Baby Boy. Dijon is a lot less gay.

[TheGreatYacht]

Stokes got 5 minutes lol, still scored 6 points tho :lol

[tonight...you]

never cared for the very little i've ever seen from LJC. don't care about him.
Me neither. He visibly looks like he gives up on a lot of plays. Man, I want him to be something, but he's been a big bag full of nothing so far.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dijon... lol, I would hate that for a nickname.
That shit is lame

[tonight...you]

His actual nickname is Baby Boy. Dijon is a lot less gay.
Okay, I'd rather Dijon, in that case... :lol

[dabom]

Murray 20, 9, 4, 4.

[Kurik]

Nnoko seems interesting.

[Obstructed_View]

Stokes got 5 minutes lol, still scored 6 points tho :lol

He's undersized, but he's pretty solid for an end of the bench big. You just want a guy who can hold a lead long enough for people to rest. He might be perfect for that.

[loveforthegame]

A shame we didn't get to see more of Bertans. He was impressive today. Love his energy. That will be a huge boost off the bench.

Murray was too. You can see what he's going to do once he pulls it all together.

Ninoko is quite interesting. What's his story?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So is Bertans a 3 or a 4?

[sasaint]

That's probably true, and if this were the same year Joseph was a rookie, there'd be no way in hell Murray would get a shot. This year's team doesn't have nearly the depth though, so he's going to get thrown off the boat a couple of times to see if he can swim.

I didn't initially think Murray would see any time in SA this season, but I tend to agree with you after this game. He showed more passing ability than he has in previous games. I think he will get thrown into some early games.

[tonight...you]

So is Bertans a 3 or a 4?
Yes.

[tmtcsc]

Murray has skills you can't teach. IF he puts in the time with Chip and learns how to play within a team concept, he can be very good. His athleticism allows him to do things others just can't. Strange angles, awkward moves, etc..

Bertans started off slow but eventually showed why the Spurs like him. He has great range. I think many of these guys will look better once they are mixed in with the Spurs' vets.

Forbes looked good at times. When he missed, they were good misses if that makes sense. That pretty much wraps things up for the next 2.5 months. See you all in October! NFL is next up.

[FvckMavs]

I didn't initially think Murray would see any time in SA this season, but I tend to agree with you after this game. He showed more passing ability than he has in previous games. I think he will get thrown into some early games.

Especially with Tony, Manu, and Mills all going to the Olympics.

[John Petrucci]

So is Bertans a 3 or a 4?

Gotta be a 3, but maybe could play 4 with a small ball lineup? He showed some decent interior D there at the end against a taller opponent, but I really have no idea.

Damn so he's 6'10"? Just looked that up. Didn't realize he was that tall.

[Obstructed_View]

So is Bertans a 3 or a 4?

Bertans looks to me like what Pop expected from Bonner when he replaced Horry. I think he'd be great in that role, plus he could play 3. There are some nightmare matchups the Spurs could run. Really really tall nightmare matchups.

[tonight...you]

Especially with Tony, Manu, and Mills all going to the Olympics.
Good point. And Pop does like to put his guys into sink, or swim situations to see how they'll respond.

[SPURt]

I hope he shits down ceperez throat.
:lmao I see y'all disagree on Murray's game

[picnroll]

Keep Nnoko. Get rid of all the other summer league bigs excluding Bertans.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's undersized, but he's pretty solid for an end of the bench big. You just want a guy who can hold a lead long enough for people to rest. He might be perfect for that.
I'm not expecting him to even get a training camp invite, tbh. RC does shit that pisses me off... Bonner took Jamychal's, Rasual's, and he'll take Jarnell Stokes' spot. I was a fan of all three of them.

He's on a mission to sign Jean-Charles just to prove a point that he didn't draft a dud.

Things ain't looking too good for Stokes.

[tonight...you]

Keep Nnoko. Get rid of all the other summer league bigs excluding Bertans.
If only LJC wasn't picked in the 1st round... would make things a bit easier.

[raybies]

Surround Murray with shooters and play pnr or pnp and it's over. If they switch, there's no big on the league that can so him with his quick first step. They would have to play off him date him to shoot. So yeah he needs the mid range game for sure.

[jyra]

Bertans is pretty decent at challenging shots at the rim. Definitely not the first time he showed that type of verticality. But he is just too skinny to defend your average NBA PF. He will get tossed around on the boards and in the low post.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[8FOR!3]

taller and athletic Kyle Korver

Danilo Gallinari?

[sasaint]

Frankly of this group Bertans shows that he's a pro player with experience at a high level in Europe. He can play right away. Dijon is raw but definitely talented, more than Simmons IMO, specially as a PnR passer, and him and Simmons are too similar and won't jive well, specially with Simmons not shooting that 3. Forbes can shoot and seems to have high IQ. No one else stood out.

LJC needs dleague badly. Cady didn't stand out. Arci is a good game manager but nothing special at anything. I didn't see enough of Hanlan to have an opinion on him.

Bertans is a keeper and a very pleasant, welcome surprise! Dijon showed a lot more game - he actually does have some court vision and passing ability. We will see more of him in SA than I initially imagined. Even LJC looked like he has NBA potential in this game.

[SPURt]

Could you imagine us fans, if the trade were the other way around? Sweet Jesus!
It'd be never ending hell

[tonight...you]

Surround Murray with shooters and play pnr or pnp and it's over. If they switch, there's no big on the league that can so him with his quick first step. They would have to play off him date him to shoot. So yeah he needs the mid range game for sure.
That kid develops a reliable shot... Holy smokes!
And if he can eventually develop a reliable 3 ball... I don't have an exclamation remark fitting!

[Raven]

So is Bertans a 3 or a 4?
4

[SAGirl]

Yeah, I think Simmons is going to have a short rope in camp.
In reality I see Dijon as having a similar role right away, in terms of slashing on the PnR but Dijon has a lot more upside and is already a better PnR passer. Simmons is always looking to get his and doesn't make good reads. Dijon is up and down on his reads, sometimes ballhogging, but when he chooses to pass, they are nice passes, specially the ones he makes to the big rolling. In this game he finished with 9 assists and 2 TO, when did we see that from Simmons? Never. Plus he came up clutch, made plays to win this game.

Defensively, Dijon doesn't have the fundamentals, but just on raw talent and his length he forces TO and makes plays, Simmons fouls ppl instead reaching in. Dijon is a better rebounder already. He could be amazing in a couple of years. Simmons is what he is. He does have more experience than Dijon, and because of that Pop will be less tolerant on him, bc he should know better, but still he will play. Makes me wonder if Simmons play, if we lose this. The last couple of games that he was "the Man" we lost... despite him getting his numbers. I don't know. He was not a winning player in the dleague either. I remain unconvinced by him.

[r0drig0lac]

Danilo Gallinari?

he's a better shooter, but Gallo is better in everything else

[Raven]

taller and athletic Kyle Korver
athletic?

[John Petrucci]

4

Well there ya go. Looked so much like a 3 out there. Great movement.

[sasaint]

I'm not expecting him to even get a training camp invite, tbh. RC does shit that pisses me off... Bonner took Jamychal's, Rasual's, and he'll take Jarnell Stokes' spot. I was a fan of all three of them.

He's on a mission to sign Jean-Charles just to prove a point that he didn't draft a dud.

Things ain't looking too good for Stokes.


I am with you on Jamychal and Rasual but not Stokes. I hope we can get him to go to Austin and develop a 3-point shot. Then he would be an interesting prospect. LJC will be in Austin most of this season.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not expecting him to even get a training camp invite, tbh. RC does shit that pisses me off... Bonner took Jamychal's, Rasual's, and he'll take Jarnell Stokes' spot. I was a fan of all three of them.

He's on a mission to sign Jean-Charles just to prove a point that he didn't draft a dud.

Things ain't looking too good for Stokes.

That's probably true. Hopefully Bertans looking like a winner, and Murray playing better will make that choice unnecessary.

[tonight...you]

Well there ya go. Looked so much like a 3 out there. Great movement.
He can and will play both. He's not going to be pigeonholed into one position.
That's archaic thought.

[szkorhetz]

How was Murray?

[Chinook]

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Did get a sense that they like playing together. Feel bad for Bertans. Think he would've loved this week.

[raybies]

Murray leads team to victory when properly used, yet some people think he's a cancer. :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

athletic?

Absolutely.

[Obstructed_View]

How was Murray?

His bounce pass to Bertans for a dunk with 30 seconds to go to tie the game was a thing of beauty. Maybe it was the angle, but it looked like it was through a lot of traffic.

[tonight...you]

How was Murray?
He looked like he definitely belongs. He's going to be on this team for a long time.

[Obstructed_View]

I am with you on Jamychal and Rasual but not Stokes. I hope we can get him to go to Austin and develop a 3-point shot. Then he would be an interesting prospect. LJC will be in Austin most of this season.

Who?

[Raven]

He can and will play both. He's not going to be pigeonholed into one position.
That's archaic thought.

in fairness, he can't play either. It's really foolish for people to believe he will be any good. He is a shooter, that's it, he won't be able to defend anybody in the nba. Of course, it's up to him to make up for his lack of tools, I won't say he has 0 chance, but we're very close to it.

[Kawhitstorm]

Danilo Gallinari?

Gallo is pretty strong & bullies wings in the post. Bertans reminds me of Tim Thomas.

[Obstructed_View]

in fairness, he can't play either. It's really foolish for people to believe he will be any good. He is a shooter, that's it, he won't be able to defend anybody in the nba. Of course, it's up to him to make up for his lack of tools, I won't say he has 0 chance, but we're very close to it.

In fairness, you clearly had this opinion going in and didn't bother to watch.

[tonight...you]

in fairness, he can't play either. It's really foolish for people to believe he will be any good. He is a shooter, that's it, he won't be able to defend anybody in the nba. Of course, it's up to him to make up for his lack of tools, I won't say he has 0 chance, but we're very close to it.
Okay, then let me rephrase my comment.
He WILL play both positions this year. And all the other yada yada yada I typed previously.

Better buddy?

[sasaint]

His bounce pass to Bertans for a dunk with 30 seconds to go to tie the game was a thing of beauty. Maybe it was the angle, but it looked like it was through a lot of traffic.

Pretty play - almost like they had been playing together. I was very excited to see Murray showcase his passing ability, and I was very excited to see Bertans run the floor very well. He has great quickness and agility that came as a revelation to me.

[sasaint]

Who?

Stokes.

[Raven]

In fairness, you clearly had this opinion going in and didn't bother to watch.
true

[tonight...you]

true
Someone remind me not to ever, EVER take betting advice from this guy.

[Raven]

Okay, then let me rephrase my comment.
He WILL play both positions this year. And all the other yada yada yada I typed previously.

Better buddy?

well I don't know that, but I will be shocked if he ever plays a legitimate 3.

[Raven]

Someone remind me not to ever, EVER take betting advice from this guy.
you may want to check my track record tbh

[Obstructed_View]

Stokes.

Develop a three point shot? Somehow that doesn't seem realistic to me. Jeff Ayres is his ceiling, IMO.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[tonight...you]

you may want to check my track record tbh
Nah, I can just assume without looking, like you.
Worked for you so far, right?

[Obstructed_View]

well I don't know that, but I will be shocked if he ever plays a legitimate 3.

Chances are if he does that he'll have Kawhi Leonard playing the 2 and Aldridge and Gasol playing behind him. Not sure how much defense he's going to have to play in those situations. Any other time he spends playing the 3 will be in a backup role, against backup players.

[SAGirl]

Murray leads team to victory when properly used, yet some people think he's a cancer. :rolleyes
One person thinks that.#ceperez
I do think him and Simmons do not pair up.

[TheGreatYacht]

I am with you on Jamychal and Rasual but not Stokes. I hope we can get him to go to Austin and develop a 3-point shot. Then he would be an interesting prospect. LJC will be in Austin most of this season.
He's 22, so the potential is there. He did a nice job of showcasing his offensive game in Vegas. Won't be long until another team claims him though he's the D-League MVP and players like Christian Wood are getting shots so why not him.

That's probably true. Hopefully Bertans looking like a winner, and Murray playing better will make that choice unnecessary.
Yes Bertans is the only guy that can kick Bonner into retirement. Glad he finished the game strong :tu

[Obstructed_View]

One person thinks that.#ceperez
I do think him and Simmons do not pair up.
I don't think he thinks that, I think he's lonely and says stupid shit to get a reaction.

[John Petrucci]

Need a vine/gif of that Murray to Bertans for the dunk play.

[peacemaker885]

This is summer league people. Having said that, I do hope these two pan out. Just want to see the reactions of other teams FO's in a couple of years..

[Obstructed_View]

Need a vine/gif of that Murray to Bertans for the dunk play.

That's the one I want to see, as well.

[tonight...you]

This is summer league people. Having said that, I do hope these two pan out. Just want to see the reactions of other teams FO's in a couple of years..
Especially Indiana's if Bertans pans out.

[Raven]

Chances are if he does that he'll have Kawhi Leonard playing the 2 and Aldridge and Gasol playing behind him. Not sure how much defense he's going to have to play in those situations. Any other time he spends playing the 3 will be in a backup role, against backup players.

if he'll ever play it will be with backups against backups, that much is a given. The lineup you mentioned, actually makes some sense, but boy would that be a slow transition team..

[Raven]

Nah, I can just assume without looking, like you.
Worked for you so far, right?

I think I saw Bertans play more than enough throughout the years that I don't need to see him in summerleague of all places, to judge his skills...

[tonight...you]

I think I saw Bertans play more than enough throughout the years that I don't need to see him in summerleague of all places, to judge his skills...
I have too. We can agree to disagree then, respectfully.

[peacemaker885]

So we get Dijon for 4 years and Berts for 2. Really hope Dijon pans out to replace TP eventually...

[tonight...you]

So we get Dijon for 4 years and Berts for 2. Really hope Dijon pans out to replace TP eventually...
That would be the best case scenario. I think we are all (most of us) hoping for this outcome.

[NikosChelsea7]

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[K...]

So we get Dijon for 4 years and Berts for 2. Really hope Dijon pans out to replace TP eventually...


That would be the best case scenario. I think we are all (most of us) hoping for this outcome.

Y'all wouldn't rather have Murray at 6 man, and get a George hill next year?

[tonight...you]

Y'all wouldn't rather have Murray at 6 man, and get a George hill next year?
That wouldn't make me mad at all, bud. Not unless Murray starts showing out way more than we could have expected, that could work for me.

[tonight...you]

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I like this kid. He may win a game for this team this season with his shooting.

[jermaine]

I like this Bertans fella! Something tells me this guy is gonna be fun to watch. Him an Forbes coming off screens..... laws Jesus.

[LakerHater]

Need a vine/gif of that Murray to Bertans for the dunk play.


That's the one I want to see, as well.
http://i.imgbox.com/3Ep2Woyg.gif

[tonight...you]

I like this Bertans fella! Something tells me this guy is gonna be fun to watch. Him an Forbes coming off screens..... laws Jesus.
http://2982-presscdn-29-70.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Damn-hot-fanning-.gif

[Chinook]

http://i.imgbox.com/3Ep2Woyg.gif

Nice to see someone taller than 6-6 on the squad today could catch.

[SAGirl]

^^^ nice bounce pass, left handed.

[palangi]

Well there ya go. Looked so much like a 3 out there. Great movement.

He will be a 3 KA is the 4.

[Nathan89]

^^^ nice bounce pass, left handed.

Pretty nice pass for someone that can't pass.

[ElNono]

I never said he couldn't sue. Not once. What I said was that I don't agree with your belief that the player would breeze through court. In fact, I made reference to lawsuits multiple times in my rebuttals.

Yeah, no. They didn't WANT Rubio to stay. They wanted that money from him. They got their money.

I don't know what they'd get. You know sure as shit it wouldn't be decided on in court until FIBA made their ruling. Even your article says the outcome could go either way. You're misrepresenting the player's leverage no matter what.

You are. I imagine at this point, it's just going to be like that for both of us.

Illogical. The clauses are huge to discourage players from leaving. If Barca doesn't bail Rubio out, he spends three years at his old club and leaves once the Wolves offer him enough to make his buyout. If teams were simply trying to get money, it behooves them to not have buyouts so big that the player sues them. Mind you, this is easily a bigger issue for the NBA where teams are capped in their contributions.

Eh, it's been a way for teams to earn money for 30 years now (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/14/sports/basketball/14nba.html). I think you're kidding yourself if you think the teams giving up Rubio aren't dancing in their windfalls.

Another completely dishonest post. You can't quote me saying "the player would breeze through court", because I never said that. But you can quote me saying the exact opposite. How fast they go through the courts is immaterial to the fact that they can force their way out of their contracts. Teams know that, thus, big buyout clauses.

I can quote you though, going from "players can't get out of their contract whenever they feel" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261657&p=8675178&viewfull=1#post8675178) (except they can), to "FIBA will bar you" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261657&p=8675626&viewfull=1#post8675626) if you attempt to take your team to court over a contract (except when they don't, I suppose) to "your belief the player would breeze through court" (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261657&page=102&p=8675694&viewfull=1#post8675694) (not my claim, completely made up).

:lol objective was right, complete waste of time. I gotta admit though, I didn't expect the flat out goal-post moving and dishonesty, but, not the first time, tbh... feel free to have the last word.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Bertans moves ALOT better than I expected. His shot looks amazing, great release lift on his shot. Can get it off any time he wants.

[ElNono]

http://i.imgbox.com/3Ep2Woyg.gif

Nice hops, I'm gonna catch this game later on. Did his defense look good?

[raybies]

One person thinks that.#ceperez
I do think him and Simmons do not pair up.

Yeah I agree. I definitely think it's one or the other. If law of averages holds up Manu will miss his fair share of games so Murray will have his shot. I just think if he's in he needs to be surrounded by shooters and passers.

[raybies]

Nice hops, I'm gonna catch this game later on. Did his defense look good?

Yeah it was solid. He moves and puts forth the effort. He can play the four in certain matchups and can hide on a three imo.

[ElNono]

Yeah it was solid. He moves and puts forth the effort. He can play the four in certain matchups and can hide on a three imo.

Thanks. Spurs really need a player like him, IMO. This is good news.

[Solid D]

Bertans finished on the run nicely and absolutely no issues missing half his ring finger.

[Nathan89]

What channel is this game replaying on?

[ElNono]

What channel is this game replaying on?

watchespn.com

[objective]

Is Pop in Rio? Or in Vegas?

Anybody think he even watched Bertans?

[dabom]

Is Pop in Rio? Or in Vegas?

Anybody think he even watched Bertans?

dude drinking wine for 2 tbh..

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7FjRmMsrWU

[SAGirl]

Nice hops, I'm gonna catch this game later on. Did his defense look good? He is no defensive player, but he has quick feet and rotated, he was active at least he put in effort. He's slim though and will be backed down inn the paint and shot over. He doesn't rebound. He used length and verticality a few times to contest layups, but these Kings are so untalented that it's hard to say much. True bigs will give him trouble but we probably think the same about Kyle. Kyle is more active swiping balls away from bigs though and stuff like that, Bertans doesn't do any of that. I think he will be alright though but it depends what Pop has him doing. He was a 4 in this game and not matched up with anyone of significance.

[tholdren]

Good highlights from ace - liked his attack mode. Not a very good or fluid passer. He's what the spurs need though in terms of the drive/slash - definitely not a pg though. put him at sg and let him roam.

[ElNono]

He is no defensive player, but he has quick feet and rotated, he was active at least he put in effort. He's slim though and will be backed down inn the paint and shot over. He doesn't rebound. He used length and verticality a few times to contest layups, but these Kings are so untalented that it's hard to say much. True bigs will give him trouble but we probably think the same about Kyle. Kyle is more active swiping balls away from bigs though and stuff like that, Bertans doesn't do any of that. I think he will be alright though but it depends what Pop has him doing. He was a 4 in this game and not matched up with anyone of significance.

Thanks. If anything, if he can spark some competition there, it should be good, IMO.

[tonight...you]

dude drinking wine for 2 tbh..
I drink wine for 6, so he's not doing too bad IMO.

[ceperez]

Pretty nice pass for someone that can't pass.

Correction... refuses to pass.

[tonight...you]

Correction... refuses to pass.
You harped on LMA last year when it wasn't in style, my man.
Now you grating Murray into shreds.

Props for being the #ceperez. :toast

[ceperez]

One person thinks that.#ceperez
I do think him and Simmons do not pair up.

That's right... both have egos that don't jive. Murray definitely has talent, but he needs to be reigned in. There are too many young guys in the Spurs and we don't need the kind of distraction he brings. Send him to D-league so he can get over himself.

[ceperez]

You harped on LMA last year when it wasn't in style, my man.
Now you grating Murray into shreds.

Props for being the #ceperez. :toast

Yep... did that until he got rid of his social media accounts.

[tonight...you]

Yep... did that until he got rid of his social media accounts.
Most read at face value. Your subtleties are usually left in the dust, when they are the dust that reveals fingerprints.

[siraulo23]

Easily Murray's best game :tu Man, he was impressive tonight, ran the offense well, made some good passes, was decent defensively. Good floor game overall, he played pretty "mature". Difference is night and day from his first game to now

Im sold on Bertans, he just stands out as an athlete over everyone else, runs the floor well, obviously a really good shooter and seems to have a HIGH basketball IQ on both ends which is the most impressive aspect of his game imo. Not bad for his first and only game in the SL

Nnoko caught my eye, I didnt really pay too much attention until he made a couple of plays defensively. He looked energetic out there and seem to have good defensive awareness. I thought he moved pretty well on the perimeter as a big

Well, now that summer league is officially over for the Spurs, nothing to look forward to until training camp :(

[tonight...you]

Easily Murray's best game :tu Man, he was impressive tonight, ran the offense well, made some good passes, was decent defensively. Good floor game overall, he played pretty "mature". Difference is night and day from his first game to now

Im sold on Bertans, he just stands out as an athlete over everyone else, runs the floor well, obviously a really good shooter and seems to have a HIGH basketball IQ on both ends which is the most impressive aspect of his game imo. Not bad for his first and only game in the SL

Nnoko caught my eye, I didnt really pay too much attention until he made a couple of plays defensively. He looked energetic out there and seem to have good defensive awareness. I thought he moved pretty well on the perimeter as a big

Well, now that summer league is officially over for the Spurs, nothing to look forward to until training camp :(
Long dead time, but plenty to analyze and debate.
I'm firmly on the Bertans bandwagon, and riding, one legged on the end of the tailgate of the Murray pickup truck, skipping as fast as I can before I have to make a decision whether to hop, or let go.
The kid has time though, and he's with us for years so... I'm all in on him blowing the eff up and supplanting Parker as the starter by no later than Game 3 of next year.

Go Next Generation Spurs!

[palangi]

Correction... refuses to pass.
Now if you would only refuse to post.

[ceperez]

Long dead time, but plenty to analyze and debate.
I'm firmly on the Bertans bandwagon, and riding, one legged on the end of the tailgate of the Murray pickup truck, skipping as fast as I can before I have to make a decision whether to hop, or let go.
The kid has time though, and he's with us for years so... I'm all in on him blowing the eff up and supplanting Parker as the starter by no later than Game 3 of next year.

Go Next Generation Spurs!

If Murray stayed in college for another year, he likely would have been lottery level talent instead of picked at #29.

My best prognosis for him is that Spurs trade him like they did George Hill.... that really paid dividends.... Leonard and now Bertans!

[tonight...you]

If Murray stayed in college for another year, he likely would have been lottery level talent instead of picked at #29.

My best prognosis for him is that Spurs trade him like they did George Hill.... that really paid dividends.... Leonard and now Bertans!
Vee shall zee, #ce, vee shall zee.

[itsamanuthree]

Wow, judging by his offense, looks like he'll get minutes after all, hope he develops into a solid defender. A Manu-Dijon offense could be a wonderful thing to watch, just imagine.

[tonight...you]

Wow, judging by his offense, looks like he'll get minutes after all, hope he develops into a solid defender. A Manu-Dijon offense could be a wonderful thing to watch, just imagine.
The thing that has to entice the coaching staff is his innate ability to get in front of the rim no matter what's thrown in front of him.
That is a talent that is coveted and to be cultivated.

He'll play with the big boys, even if it's experimenting. How could Pop not want to see for himself what this team could look like with Dejounte fronting it?

[itsamanuthree]

The thing that has to entice the coaching staff is his innate ability to get in front of the rim no matter what's thrown in front of him.
That is a talent that is coveted and to be cultivated.

He'll play with the big boys, even if it's experimenting. How could Pop not want to see for himself what this team could look like with Dejounte fronting it?

Hope you're right, hope you're right :toast

[tonight...you]

Hope you're right, hope you're right :toast
Yeah... let's do a shot to it.

Ahhhhh.... Salut!

[John Petrucci]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVqgmRGyWw

Game highlights. Sorry if already been posted.

Edit: These are just Kings highlights. Oops.

[tonight...you]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVqgmRGyWw

Game highlights. Sorry if already been posted.
:bobo

[dabom]

Mods deleted my thread again. :lol

[John Petrucci]

Wow my bad these are all Kings highlights aren't they? :lol

Well I guess it's a highlight film exposing our fuckups on D :toast

[itsamanuthree]

Wow my bad these are all Kings highlights aren't they? :lol

Well I guess it's a highlight film exposing our fuckups on D :toast

:lol

Cool, thanks

[John Petrucci]

Here we go. Hopefully there will be some better highlight vids in the near future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNU6lACcPbQ

[itsamanuthree]

Here we go
]

Thank you!

[ceperez]

Wow, judging by his offense, looks like he'll get minutes after all, hope he develops into a solid defender. A Manu-Dijon offense could be a wonderful thing to watch, just imagine.

You got that backward, only if he plays defense that he'll get minutes.

[SAGirl]

Thanks. If anything, if he can spark some competition there, it should be good, IMO.
So now that you watched the game what do you have in mind?

[BillMc]

Liked what I saw from my man Bertans. Comparisions to Bonnet because of his height, shooting ability and physcial ressemblance aren't really fair to Davis. DB is more athletic and quicker than Bonner ever ways. His shot is also much faster.
Riga time, indeed.

Murray has looked awful for like 3 games in SL and awesome for 2. The potential is there. All we need is time.:flag:

[Mr. Body]

One minor thing I noticed about Mustard is that, as skinny as he is, he doesn't push off to gain space. You see it as an example in the second play from his highlight clip. He's able to shield the ball with his preying mantis/walking stick body where most dude would be arm barring defenders and committing fouls. It's one reason he's a near-elite ball handler.

[dabom]

One minor thing I noticed about Mustard is that, as skinny as he is, he doesn't push off to gain space. You see it as an example in the second play from his highlight clip. He's able to shield the ball with his preying mantis/walking stick body where most dude would be arm barring defenders and committing fouls. It's one reason he's a near-elite ball handler.

Who the fuck is mustard? Never heard of that guy...

[BillMc]

Who the fuck is mustard? Never heard of that guy...

Mean Mr. Mustard?


Damn it, I'm posting drunk again...:lol

[dabom]

Mean Mr. Mustard?


Damn it, I'm posting drunk again...:lol
:lol

[Emperor]

He is no defensive player, but he has quick feet and rotated, he was active at least he put in effort. He's slim though and will be backed down inn the paint and shot over. He doesn't rebound. He used length and verticality a few times to contest layups, but these Kings are so untalented that it's hard to say much. True bigs will give him trouble but we probably think the same about Kyle. Kyle is more active swiping balls away from bigs though and stuff like that, Bertans doesn't do any of that. I think he will be alright though but it depends what Pop has him doing. He was a 4 in this game and not matched up with anyone of significance.

Does every post have to be about Kyle? Lol holy hell i sense saltiness at the very thought of our new Red Latvian Rocket taking some of his minutes. Be happy and optimistic, it's his first NBA Summer League game and he made some big shots but still has time to improve his defense after getting somewhat used to the system.

[monkeypunk]

Bertrans looks like he can contribute once he acclimates to the system, he can obviously shoot and he seems pretty good at faking the 3 and driving. Once he figures out where to kick out to, we can wreck havoc with the drive and dish. Exerted effort on d the whole time. Hopefully his length can make for his medium lateral mobility and he can be a plus defender. Wish he had played all of SL.

Murray has looked better every game which tells me he is listening to the coaches which is promising. He has the knack for getting into the paint and is bouncy and long enough for big rebounding numbers. He's also light in the shorts but is wily enough to finish around the rim. Lotta upside if he curbs his ego a bit and learns. I think he'll see a lot of early season minutes. PATFO need an energy guy with guts and this kid might fit the bill.

LJC was awful, just terrible. Couldn't catch shit, was passive and was a net negative.

Forbes could go either way but I'm cautiously optimistic. He has a nice stroke but not sure if he can get his own shot. He was great when set up though.

Had hopes for Lorbek but no way he contributes at the NBA level, couldn't do squat in SL. Don't feel bad though as KL and Bertrans are still quite a haul for Georgie. 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

If Arci had more assists, I'd be sold on him. He was great at managing and always seemed to make the right but safe pass. Since he isn't looking to score, he needs rebounds or dimes to stick around and I saw little of neither.

I'd def keep Moute's cousin over Cady and the rest for a last big, if we go that route. Seemed to put himself in good position a few times. Could be our more mobile Festus.

Was excited to see Hanlan but he did fuck all. Looked quick but didn't do anything with it.

If Stokes was 2 inches taller, he'd be a rich man right now.

And does Murray really have a giant ninja turtle tattoo on his shoulder? Those are serious balls, :lol.

[raybies]

mouse turd had a solid game today.

[Rito3d30]

This is Bertans first game with the team
Imagine if he joins earlier:bobo

[ElNono]

Just finished watching the game, Murray was good, Bertrans looked pretty good considering it was his first game. Liked Forbes also.

Competition didn't look too challenging, tbh, but at least we got a peek at Bertrans.

[Mr. Body]

His bounce pass to Bertans for a dunk with 30 seconds to go to tie the game was a thing of beauty. Maybe it was the angle, but it looked like it was through a lot of traffic.

Left handed bounce pass through some traffic. That was impressive.

[Vic Petro]

LJC reminds me of Ndudi Ebi who was another guy the Spurs had interest in that turned out to be complete shit.

[sasaint]

Liked what I saw from my man Bertans. Comparisions to Bonnet because of his height, shooting ability and physcial ressemblance aren't really fair to Davis. DB is more athletic and quicker than Bonner ever ways. His shot is also much faster.
Riga time, indeed.

Murray has looked awful for like 3 games in SL and awesome for 2. The potential is there. All we need is time.:flag:

I thought that Riga Time acquitted himself quite admirably - especially given the fact that this was his first outing with the SL team. He will play a bunch of minutes this season. I can almost hear Bill Land exclaiming "Riga Time!" every time Bertans nails a 3.

[itsamanuthree]

You got that backward, only if he plays defense that he'll get minutes.

Sure, I said judging by his offense, cause that's the only thing I'd seen.

[cutewizard]

Bertaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnsssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

do you have some links guys?

can this be downloaded in torrent?

[cutewizard]

Anyone got a pic of Bertans in a spurs uniform?

[Spurs9]

Man Ingram looking impressive, cant wait to watch him this season

[cutewizard]

Here we go. Hopefully there will be some better highlight vids in the near future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNU6lACcPbQ


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Murray is rocking boys!!! hahahahahaha

what the fuck! we are going to have a very interesting roster for next year, hmmmm

i actually like our roster this year more than last yeart

fearless forecast, 60 or 60 + wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spurs9]

Lakers actually going to be fun to watch with these young players tbh, even Zubac looking really good :wow

[Spurs9]

This jazz lakers game being played like its the playoffs :lol

[BillMc]

I thought that Riga Time acquitted himself quite admirably - especially given the fact that this was his first outing with the SL team. He will play a bunch of minutes this season. I can almost hear Bill Land exclaiming "Riga Time!" every time Bertans nails a 3.

:toast Let's hope Land has to say it often! :lol

Looking forward to some youth on the bench.

[cutewizard]

Bertans looks to me like what Pop expected from Bonner when he replaced Horry. I think he'd be great in that role, plus he could play 3. There are some nightmare matchups the Spurs could run. Really really tall nightmare matchups.


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Would be this a relevant example:

Gasol at center, Lamarcus or Dedmon at the power forward, Bertans at small forward, then Kawhi and Kyle at guards????

ho ho ho, i also like this line -up

[loveforthegame]

/v5gfj_j4U50

[Brian Windhorst]

Bertans looked awesome. Ready and willing to fire from anywhere on the court, already a better player off the dribble than Bonner ever was, and able to run the floor faster than most bigs in the league. His release is so high that he doesn't need the type of spacing that Bonner needs to get off his shot. What really stood out to me was his ability to feel where both his and the ball handler's defender is in the PnR and fade out to a spot that makes it hard to get to him unless a defender commits early. This is a defense-warping trait that is very hard to teach young players.

It remains to be seen whether he can guard anyone besides other stretch 4's.

[ulosturedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q77Euqwv8j0

[SAGirl]

Does every post have to be about Kyle? Lol holy hell i sense saltiness at the very thought of our new Red Latvian Rocket taking some of his minutes. Be happy and optimistic, it's his first NBA Summer League game and he made some big shots but still has time to improve his defense after getting somewhat used to the system. just making a comparison as they are likely to play the same position some times. If you detect saltiness that's your own personal perception.

[GSH]

Everybody was crowing about Murray when he got 9 boards in a game. I like him a lot better when he gets 9 AST in a game. It looked like he was a lot more relaxed, instead of trying to prove himself on every possession. It's still SL, but I hope this is more of an indication of the kind of player he can be.

Really, PATFO, tell Tony to give LJC enough money to go back to France and forget about the NBA. I don't wish him any harm, I just don't want to see a roster spot taken up on him.

Once again, Jarnell Stokes looked pretty good (in the limited minutes he got to play). And once again, I wish he was 3-4" taller.

Gromovs finally got a stat in SL. He's going to have to frame it, and show it to his kids. Very strange having him on the roster this whole time.

Davis Bertans is ready to start contributing on the Spurs roster. He moves well without the ball, and knows how to make good hard cuts. I still wish he and Bourousis had gotten a chance to play together here, because they know each other's game. But hopefully Dedmon won't mind coming out and setting good screens.

I feel sorry for Erazem Lorbek. He's not the player he was before the injuries. And he's just too far from being in game shape after sitting out that long. He should have come to the NBA four years ago, when he had the chance.

[Russ]

Here is a longer highlight package from the Sacramento game:

vne3IVkLTRE

[Spurs9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q77Euqwv8j0
Wow that last play looked awesome, Bertans looks really good :tu

[DPG21920]

Everybody was crowing about Murray when he got 9 boards in a game. I like him a lot better when he gets 9 AST in a game. It looked like he was a lot more relaxed, instead of trying to prove himself on every possession. It's still SL, but I hope this is more of an indication of the kind of player he can be.

Really, PATFO, tell Tony to give LJC enough money to go back to France and forget about the NBA. I don't wish him any harm, I just don't want to see a roster spot taken up on him.

Once again, Jarnell Stokes looked pretty good (in the limited minutes he got to play). And once again, I wish he was 3-4" taller.

Gromovs finally got a stat in SL. He's going to have to frame it, and show it to his kids. Very strange having him on the roster this whole time.

Davis Bertans is ready to start contributing on the Spurs roster. He moves well without the ball, and knows how to make good hard cuts. I still wish he and Bourousis had gotten a chance to play together here, because they know each other's game. But hopefully Dedmon won't mind coming out and setting good screens.

I feel sorry for Erazem Lorbek. He's not the player he was before the injuries. And he's just too far from being in game shape after sitting out that long. He should have come to the NBA four years ago, when he had the chance.

The good news is that rebounding rates are one of the most bankable stats from college to pros. Murray was an outstanding rebounder in college so it is not suprising to see him have big rebounding games.

That is a good thing. It's a very bankable skill and shows that despite his skinny frame, he is tough enough to mix it up.

I agree about his passing though; his ceiling, like most guys, is dependant on his ability to create. The reason guys get excited about ceilings is because of their ability to create for others which is such a rare skill. The more he shows in that area, the higher the ceiling.

[djohn14]

Great clips. I didn't get to watch the game, but Bertins looked very confident in his highlights, and quite a bit more athletic than I expected. I loved that pass from Murray to him in transition. It was picture perfect. Murray has had some bad moments in the summer league, but all in all I'm pleased with how he looked. I think there is a lot of potential there and I think he will harness it here. Also for as many bad things as I heard about his shot, it dosen't look that bad. It may not be the exact form you want from a jump shooter, but if he puts in work I don't see any reason why our staff can't develope him into a really solid shooter.

[GSH]

The good news is that rebounding rates are one of the most bankable stats from college to pros. Murray was an outstanding rebounder in college so it is not suprising to see him have big rebounding games.

That is a good thing. It's a very bankable skill and shows that despite his skinny frame, he is tough enough to mix it up.


I thought Murray's 9 RB's in that game was just a fluke - anybody can have a bunch of loose caroms fall into his lap on a fluke night. But after watching him, I can see that it wasn't a total fluke. It was the kind of thing that happens when a guy works his ass off. The harder they work, the luckier they get. I don't think he's going to have a lot of 9-board nights, but he definitely deserves credit for his efforts in that area.

The really cool thing about the 9 assists is that I know the coaches have been talking to him about it. The fact that he was willing and able to make some changes that quickly says he's probably very coachable. Maybe that will quiet some of the comments about him being a showboat, and whatever else. (After one SL game that shit started.)

That crazy pass he made to Bertans that sort of went under the defender's leg? I think there was a lot of luck in that one. The pass was dead on target, but I don't think he thought at all about the defender. If the leg had happened to be in a slightly different place, that would have looked like a careless pass, instead of a highlight.

I was a lot more impressed with a play where he took the ball down the baseline, into traffic around the rim. In the other games, he would have tried to make a back-door circus shot on his own. Instead, he dribbled into perfect position to lay it off to Cady for an easy bucket. A lot of the time, when young guys do all the work to get the ball that close to the rim, they feel like they deserve the short shot. To me, that was one of Murray's most memorable moments, because he used his athleticism to get someone else an easy shot. THAT will get him minutes.

I think he's got the talent to do it against better defenders, he just wasn't known for doing it much in college, or at the beginning of SL. If he's started thinking that way, it changes everything for his near-term prospects, IMO.

[DPG21920]

Agree with everything. You can see why despite the risk with him, there is such a sentiment that his ceiling is all-star level. That doesn't mean he gets there just that if things all go well he has the skill set.

The great thing about having a guard with a really solid rebounding rate is that when they get the board, they can immediately push the ball. The fact that pushing the ball and weaving in and out of traffic is already Murray's most attractive part of his game makes that even more appealing.

He had some jaw dropping slithers through defenders in the paint which is great. I think he needs to work on awareness but that comes with time and coaching. I agree with that pass. That is an elite level pass that good PGs make. Whether it's a lob (like CP3 does so much when he's in there) or that dump off (like Rondo) that is the type of passing you want to see because he's shown a great ability to break down defenses with his dribble.

I like that he's aggressive - you can't really teach that. I'd rather have a player you have to tell to dial it back (Murray/TP/Westbrook) than a player you have to urge to be aggressive (a million other guards).

Obviously his shot needs work. He's a mess on defense both individually and team-wise so far (he's too jumpy and closes out too hard many times). He needs to really work on vision and passing.

But he has the tools to do everything that star level players do; it's just a matter of will it all come together at an NBA level.

[sasaint]

That is a good thing. It's a very bankable skill and shows that despite his skinny frame, he is tough enough to mix it up.

I agree that boarding is a translatable skill. But with Dijon I don't see that it reflects toughness as much as IQ. He just knows angles and probabilities, and he gets into rebounding position very well and very early. :tu

[Mr. Body]

Thing about that FB pass to Bertans... It's a risky pass, but he puts it just behind Bertans, meaning not exactly in his hands but enough to catch in stride. If he doesn't put it there the nearest defender has a decent chance to get it or at least deflect. It's actually perfectly placed. Sure, risky, but it's a really great pass (I mean, listen to the conservator gasp). Plus left handed.

[djohn14]

Thing about that FB pass to Bertans... It's a risky pass, but he puts it just behind Bertans, meaning not exactly in his hands but enough to catch in stride. If he doesn't put it there the nearest defender has a decent chance to get it or at least deflect. It's actually perfectly placed. Sure, risky, but it's a really great pass (I mean, listen to the conservator gasp). Plus left handed.
That pass reminded me of Manu so much. Left handed sure, but that pass just screams Manu.

[sasaint]

The really cool thing about the 9 assists is that I know the coaches have been talking to him about it. The fact that he was willing and able to make some changes that quickly says he's probably very coachable. Maybe that will quiet some of the comments about him being a showboat, and whatever else. (After one SL game that shit started.)

:tu Excellent to see him concentrate on facilitating. He looked so raw in his earlier games that I thought he would spend most of his time in Austin. Now I expect him to get some early season time in San Antonio. And after that...


That crazy pass he made to Bertans that sort of went under the defender's leg? I think there was a lot of luck in that one. The pass was dead on target, but I don't think he thought at all about the defender. If the leg had happened to be in a slightly different place, that would have looked like a careless pass, instead of a highlight.

Kind of like Manu's career in a nutshell.


I was a lot more impressed with a play where he took the ball down the baseline, into traffic around the rim. In the other games, he would have tried to make a back-door circus shot on his own. Instead, he dribbled into perfect position to lay it off to Cady for an easy bucket. A lot of the time, when young guys do all the work to get the ball that close to the rim, they feel like they deserve the short shot. To me, that was one of Murray's most memorable moments, because he used his athleticism to get someone else an easy shot. THAT will get him minutes.

:tu That play really impressed me, too. Took me by complete surprise - smart and unselfish. Good sign.


I think he's got the talent to do it against better defenders, he just wasn't known for doing it much in college, or at the beginning of SL. If he's started thinking that way, it changes everything for his near-term prospects, IMO.

Changes the Spurs near-term prospects, too. Before this game, I thought he was 2 years away from being much of a contributor. Now...?

[GSH]

Thing about that FB pass to Bertans... It's a risky pass, but he puts it just behind Bertans, meaning not exactly in his hands but enough to catch in stride. If he doesn't put it there the nearest defender has a decent chance to get it or at least deflect. It's actually perfectly placed. Sure, risky, but it's a really great pass (I mean, listen to the conservator gasp). Plus left handed.


I don't know if that's what happened or not. If he's that damned good already, he's going to need a better shrine.

I have to admit that I didn't even notice that it was left-handed. (Hats off for catching that.) That makes the pass more impressive, whether he calculated the defender on the fly or not.

It was also a fast break after a made bucket, and Bertans was out and running with him. I like he thought of the Spurs having enough young guys to do that sometimes. I don't want them to turn into the D'Antoni Suns, but it's nice to get easy buckets like that, when the defense gets caught napping.

[BillMc]

Assuming Murray spends a lot of the year in Austin, then how would a bench lineup of Mills, Manu, Kyle, Bertans and Dedmon do? Seems like the offense would be fierce, but they couldn't guard anyone.

We really need another legit 4. Bertans and Kyle will have trouble defending big 4s, and LJC looks like a bust at this point. West for the minimum would have been good. Too bad whatever happened between him and the Fo.

[Chinook]

Assuming Murray spends a lot of the year in Austin, then how would a bench lineup of Mills, Manu, Kyle, Bertans and Dedmon do? Seems like the offense would be fierce, but they couldn't guard anyone.

We really need another legit 4. Bertans and Kyle will have trouble defending big 4s, and JCL looks like a bust at this point.

That is the lineup I'd prefer, except with Anderson and Bertans switched (not that that really matters). I'm not concerned at all about Anderson guarding bench fours. Who has PFs in their second units that would dominate anyway? The Spurs would have guys who could run, who could shoot, who could handle the ball. I think it could eat opposing benches alive. Of course Anderson and Bertans need to get stronger and just better at man defense in general, but I don't think they'd struggle to outscore their opponents on most nights.

Though LJC showed some horrible things, but I don't think he gets enough credit for how much of a team player he was. He made a number of plays or good decisions than are lost on the highlights reels. Like he passed it to Murray on the break when he had a look that most guys would have taken (and Dejounte hit him back up on that play GSH attributed to Cady). When he actually managed to hold onto a board, he didn't mess around with trying to go back up. He found his guard for a reset. He made some good deflections and rotations that helped his teammates out as well.

His biggest problem is that he just seems weak. Especially in the hands. I think even Jeff Ayres would think so. While he is tall enough to be a power-forward, his main appeal as a small-ball five is completely mitigated if he can't board well enough to be the only big. Hell, he's boarding like a guard right now. And yeah, he also needs to be able to absorb contact better than he does now. Can't be a big if he doesn't know how to survive on the block.

Anyway, I think he'll be that guy who does the little things. I don't expect to see him ever dominate the d-league statistically, and most folks who watch him will talk about how unimpressive he looks. But if he develops the way he should in next year's summer league, I think it will be obvious. He'll know what he's doing out there a lot more, and he'll have more familiarity with whichever players return from this year's team (hopefully Murray, Forbes and Arcidiacono). He'll be less of a disaster, though I think there will still be a number of people who say things like, "Dude can't even score in the summer league."

[palangi]

Assuming Murray spends a lot of the year in Austin, then how would a bench lineup of Mills, Manu, Kyle, Bertans and Dedmon do? Seems like the offense would be fierce, but they couldn't guard anyone.

We really need another legit 4. Bertans and Kyle will have trouble defending big 4s, and LJC looks like a bust at this point. West for the minimum would have been good. Too bad whatever happened between him and the Fo.
Meh if Boris could guard 4's then KA will be just fine.
I like the look of the second unit. and if we wanted to get bigger and mills was struggling then we could go; Manu, Simmons, Bertans, KA, Dedmon
Manu and KA are the main ball handlers. Bertans, Manu, and KA can spot shoot. Simmons is a slasher off the pass and Dedmon is the eraser and garbage man. Not a bad second unit at all. And simmons has shown to be a decent spot shooter as well.

[raybies]

As long as we have two shooters with two creators and a defensive big that can set strong screens, it should be effective offensively. It's a proven formula. Even the summer spurs capitalized on it.

I really want to see Nnoko get a shot. He reminds me of Ben Wallace. Not gonna say poor or homeless anything, just that he's rugged like Ben and has a similar skillset. He has an excellent motor and that's something I look for in players. My three translatable skills are motor, shooting, and rebounding imo.

[Lostwingman]

Do we even have room for Nnoko?

[Nathan89]

Bertans is going to such a winning piece in the NBA. Shooting 2-3ft behind the 3pt line in your first game is just ridiculous. He has enough ball handling and off ball mobility to make a great fit offensively. Can't wait to watch more of him.

[raybies]

Yes, we have two slots open and one will almost assuredly be a big. Now I'm not counting Forbes which I would think he would make it. I'm counting Livio as patty of the thirteen.

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Dedmon/Nnoko:)

[Solid D]

I agree that boarding is a translatable skill. But with Dijon I don't see that it reflects toughness as much as IQ. He just knows angles and probabilities, and he gets into rebounding position very well and very early. :tu

It also means that, like Anderson, he stays engaged in the play rather than transitioning too early.

[Nathan89]

Yes, we have two slots open and one will almost assuredly be a big. Now I'm not counting Forbes which I would think he would make it. I'm counting Livio as patty of the thirteen.

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Dedmon/Nnoko:)

Bertans isn't behind Simmons.

[beirmeistr]

fwiw, nbatv schedule today shows a replay of 2005 finsls game 7 at 3 pm central

[raybies]

Bertans isn't behind Simmons.

:pop: yes he is

[SAGirl]

Yes, we have two slots open and one will almost assuredly be a big. Now I'm not counting Forbes which I would think he would make it. I'm counting Livio as patty of the thirteen.

Parker/Mills/Murray
Green/Manu/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Bertans
Aldridge/Anderson/Jean-Charles
Pau/Dedmon/Nnoko:)
I think Bertans will push for minutes this season. He's too good a shooter to not play and I suspect Pop will find him minutes. Bertans/Simmons may go into their own little battle for playing time. It may end up being Anderson & Bertans in the forwards spots and Simmons as the third SG behind Manu, who would still play a lot bc Manu will rest a lot. Simmons doesn't strike me as a SF is the reason, specially if his 3 pt shot doesn't come back and there is no way he will be that ball dominant unless Manu is rested. I think we see Dijon too, early in the season and when Tony is rested. Considering the relatively short roster he might end up spending most of the season with the team and just shuttle in and out to the dleague if he needs game time experience.

[raybies]

I think Bertans will push for minutes this season. He's too good a shooter to not play and I suspect Pop will find him minutes. Bertans/Simmons may go into their own little battle for playing time. It may end up being Anderson & Bertans in the forwards spots and Simmons as the third SG behind Manu, who would still play a lot bc Manu will rest a lot. Simmons doesn't strike me as a SF is the reason, specially if his 3 pt shot doesn't come back and there is no way he will be that ball dominant unless Manu is rested. I think we see Dijon too, early in the season and when Tony is rested. Considering the relatively short roster he might end up spending most of the season with the team and just shuttle in and out to the dleague if he needs game time experience.

I definitely don't think Simmons, Manu, and Kyle should be playing at the same time, I just think pop will give the players who been here longer first crack at it. I think the spacing will be terrible and Simmons shooting is suspect at best. Although he had some nice pull up jumpers the last few games. I do agree it should be Bertans to be the back up three.

[Budkin]

fwiw, nbatv schedule today shows a replay of 2005 finsls game 7 at 3 pm central

Never been such a wreck before and during a game. Winning that one felt like pure relief.

[SpurPadre]

Never been such a wreck before and during a game. Winning that one felt like pure relief.

Bigger wreck than 6?

[beirmeistr]

Never been such a wreck before and during a game. Winning that one felt like pure relief.

a chance to watch prime Tim, prime Manu

[Mr. Body]

Bertans is going to such a winning piece in the NBA. Shooting 2-3ft behind the 3pt line in your first game is just ridiculous. He has enough ball handling and off ball mobility to make a great fit offensively. Can't wait to watch more of him.

If Ryan Anderson has an NBA career I don't see any reason Bertans can't. Although his rebounding blows.

[peacemaker885]

The only thing to worry about Bertans is the short contract - 2 years. Kid will most likely earn big $$ next time he renrws, provided he doesnt get injured.

[TheGreatYacht]

754406331445051392
754407879696719873

Sign my boy up, RC.

[objective]

The only thing to worry about Bertans is the short contract - 2 years. Kid will most likely earn big $$ next time he renrws, provided he doesnt get injured.

Exactly. Which is why some of us were hoping for a three year deal or more.

Now the Spurs have to plan to have at least MLE in cap room or save the mle if over the cap to match so the don't get screwed like with Boban.

Which can become difficult. Parker is coming off but will have a cap hold and likely demands for a Manu type contract.

Aldridge has a player option, he can get out, have a giant hold, and expect to get paid

Gasol can opt out in summer 17 and might leverage his way into big money for another two year deal with a player option to suck up room or just finish his current deal and have a huge hold after and demand a new deal.

Green will probably opt out and have a big hold plus demands for a Manu style loyalty contract to make up for his current deal

And if they want Anderson he'll be going into his fifth year, so all the scenarios with matching and extensions apply.

And that's ignoring whatever they do in summer 17, like Simmons, any cap room or mle signings, etc.

Milutinov might become in jeopardy. If he waits another year he can get out of the rookie scale. But if he does that and waits until summer 18, the mle might be saved for matching on Bertans. Pushing him off farther.

[Budkin]

Bigger wreck than 6?

I mean nervous. After 6 I was just depressed as fuck.

[K...]

I would think bertans would be dumb not to sign the short deal and test the market. It's not good for the team, but I don't think we can deny he'll be underpaid this year if he's a rotation player. Guys his size who shoot make $10 million. We can bitch about that but it won't change much.

[Chinook]

Bertans is an upcoming Arenas RFA in 2018. With this being after the market settles down, he's not looking at a crazy offer.

[tholdren]

754406331445051392
754407879696719873

Sign my boy up, RC.

Too bad eyeballs are used to watch the game. stokes is bad.

[SAGirl]

Most key for Bertans is to stay healthy and have a good couple of seasons. If he's going to be Tiago 2.0 he better do it before he's going to get paid.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz8Pnqs7y6k

[Spurs9]

Ulis 3-17, good thing we dodged that :lol

[tonight...you]

Most key for Bertans is to stay healthy and have a good couple of seasons. If he's going to be Tiago 2.0 he better do it before he's going to get paid.
Bertans? His game is nothing like Tiago's. At all.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point...