Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[callo1]

I still believe KA can be a very good player.

OV, come on man, 9 turnovers in a Summer League game....you can't count that. Too many new faces, tempo of game etc.

[siraulo23]

whats the news with milotunov, bertans etc...? there's still a chance they'll play the remaining SL games?

[Solid D]

Glad Dejounte will be street legal, finally. Young fella needs to sit upon Grandpa Kyle's knee and gain some Spurs' corporate knowledge.

[raybies]

Boston's gonna be a good test cause they have some good guards unlike Utah and Philadelphia.

[raybies]

Murray, Forbes, Simmons, Anderson and Kirk(:lol) :wow

Game over summer league

Like the summer league's version of the warriors

[tonight...you]

whats the news with milotunov, bertans etc...? there's still a chance they'll play the remaining SL games?
Boy oh boy, do I hope so. Both those guys. Bertans is okay, I watched his games and he could be something...
Milutinov just has skill-sets that this team desperately needs and he moves like an NBA player. He's got, not only the physical skills, but a savvy that's just instinctual.

I really want to see if that translates to the big boys sooner, rather than later.

[raybies]

Las Vegas is gonna be stacked with guards I'm assuming. With Archie, Forbes, Murray, and Hanlan, should be a solid rotation. But you gotta start Murray with Forbes right?

[SAGirl]

I wish I could agree. I know one was a bullshit moving screen call, but most of them were just not taking care of the ball. There were a couple of times in the first game that he and Kyle were instructing people on where to be, but Simmons is not passing to spots, he's getting too deep and leaving his feet or dribbling into traffic, slnging the ball around. The worst part is how many turned into a layup attempt on the other end. He had some spectacular blocks in the game, and I think every one of them was following one of his own turnovers.

But this is his time to make mistakes. I have no real problem with him just using these games to get some rhythm. If he's still turning the ball over like this in Vegas, it might become a concern. I'm sure Pop doesn't believe there's any excuse for having 13 turnovers in two games. :)
Pop always emphasizes being solid. I'm sure part of what they will ask him to do is to reign those mistakes in. How he plays in the upcoming games will tell if you can trust that he will make the right plays or not. If he stays the same, then this is what he is and case closed. I am sure he can still play in the league but he's set to a lower usage, small role off the ball, which as others pointed out, reduces his usefulness.

Pop probably only cares about him improving in his weak areas at this point, than him having a scoring explosion bc they already knew he could get to the basket. What they don't know and are hoping to find out is whether he can clean his game up. Precisely ball handling and sound decision making is what he came here to do and hasn't done well so far. This game wasn't exactly a success and it won't be acceptable to the varsity team I am sure.

[Atl Spur]

Milutinov may be the real deal......in a few years! Trial by fire is the only way.....

[Obstructed_View]

Pop always emphasizes being solid. I'm sure part of what they will ask him to do is to reign those mistakes in. How he plays in the upcoming games will tell if you can trust that he will make the right plays or not. If he stays the same, then this is what he is and case closed. I am sure he can still play in the league but he's set to a lower usage, small role off the ball, which as others pointed out, reduces his usefulness.

Pop probably only cares about him improving in his weak areas at this point, than him having a scoring explosion bc they already knew he could get to the basket. What they don't know and are hoping to find out is whether he can clean his game up. Precisely ball handling and sound decision making is what he came here to do and hasn't done well so far. This game wasn't exactly a success and it won't be acceptable to the varsity team I am sure.

Agreed. Having watched summer league for a while now, when a player from the Spurs goes to SL, it's to work on weaknesses. Kawhi was there to try to improve his ball-handling and aggressiveness. I'd be really shocked if turnovers weren't talked about for Simmons, just like three point shooting was certainly explained to Kyle.

[GSH]

Are the Spurs really still looking at signing Jarnell Stokes? I know he lit up the D-League, but I thought he was one of those guys who can't make the transition? Apparently the Spurs really are thinking about signing him. Damn this is shaping up to be a strange season.

[loveforthegame]

So ready to watch Murray play. :tu

[ace3g]

replay of Spurs / 76ers on NBATV right now

[GSH]

So ready to watch Murray play. :tu


Did he finally sign? Or is he still holding out for the full 120%?

[SpursFan86]

Did he finally sign? Or is he still holding out for the full 120%?

Not sure, but he tweeted this so it looks like he'll be playing:

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[loveforthegame]

Did he finally sign? Or is he still holding out for the full 120%?

There's been no official release of his signing yet but he tweeted he's playing Thursday.

I think we're going to know a lot more then.

[raybies]

The only way they are gonna let him play is if he signs first otherwise he would of already played the first two games.

[GSH]

Not sure, but he tweeted this so it looks like he'll be playing:


The only way they are gonna let him play is if he signs first otherwise he would of already played the first two games.


I agree that they're not likely to let him play until he signs. That all makes it sound like the Tim and Manu question marks will get cleared up tomorrow, or Thursday morning at the latest. It seems like that has to be the thing holding up his money. And if he's that definite that he's playing, he must know something.

[Chinook]

It will be interesting to see who sits for Murray. The dude might just be the first guard off the bench. Has anyone heard anything about the Vegas roster? It's getting to the point that we should know. As I said, I'm hoping that Anderson and probably Simmons are done with the guys we've actually been waiting to see are there. I'm glad Murray will get a game to get his legs under him before that happens.

[Spurs9]

Can't wait to see him play.

[Chinook]

Hanlan was not in the boxscore. I don't know how SL rosters work. He probably got dropped from Utah's SL team, but i am guessing we don't have a slot for him on ours...?


I have no news on him.

Hanlan is not the Spurs' property yet. That trade will be made official tomorrow. I expect him to join the SL team for Vegas, which is good with Simmons and Anderson likely to take a step back at least.

[Kawhitstorm]

It will be interesting to see who sits for Murray. The dude might just be the first guard off the bench.

He's going to be a backup so might as well have him get used to being a backup since he probably had never had to come off the bench.

[SAGirl]

It will be interesting to see who sits for Murray. The dude might just be the first guard off the bench. Has anyone heard anything about the Vegas roster? It's getting to the point that we should know. As I said, I'm hoping that Anderson and probably Simmons are done with the guys we've actually been waiting to see are there. I'm glad Murray will get a game to get his legs under him before that happens.

Nothing on Vegas yet.
I know we have seen a lot of the 2, but it feels like they still have a lot to work on and these are rotation players it looks like. Simmons could stand to take a step back to let others make plays too and just focus on being solid and Kyle, I don't care if they just spot him up at the 3 pts line the rest of the way and have him defer to others. I'd just like him to focus on defense and rebounding. He has a lot to work to do. He played the 4 in the NBA, but never as a rookie. We might count this past season as the first one he dabbled in it and he's looking like he's going to have to play it a lot. I don't care about him not taking a shot the rest of the way unless he's wide open, but I feel like he could use the work in paint defense. In no world is Kyle a seasoned 4. Trey Lyles played more 4 than him I am sure and started like 33 games at that spot. Kyle's a baby for the 4. I think he needs as much as he can get, specially on defense. But Pop might decide he's seen enough though and want to see others.

[raybies]

Some thoughts after watching the game again

First of all, seeing Kyle play like this is expected so I don't get too excited about the points and all, but it's the release of his shot that's starting to get to me. If he can consistently get his shot off like that, then it opens his game up. He already has a nice mid range game, he has a developing post game, so now as a threat beyond the line, it will cause defenders to properly close out on him which opens the door to more penetration. This should increase his scoring and not to mention improve the spacing on the floor.

Secondly, I like Arcidiacono. I think he's one of those blue collar career third stringers. In my mind he's the perfect type you want next to Murray pushing him to reach his full potential. If Murray starts show boating or getting sloppy you put Archie in and he'll play the right way. If Murray starts slacking on d or is not giving the effort you want, you put Archie in and he'll play his heart out. One is Captain America and one is Iron Man imo. Archie has the intangibles down. While I'm not ready to say trade mills, I think if Forbes and Archie can sustain this level of play and you need more cap, you can then look to o trade Patty.

As for Forbes, he's a star in my mind already. It's too bad we only got him on a one year contract. I think you start looking go or ways to add him on the roster. Unless he has a meteoric collapse or has an injury, I see him as this year's Gary Neal with like a curry swag.

Lastly, I'm not impressed with Juice. We all know he can score against this level of competition. If working on the fouling is what pop wants to see then the next thing is turnovers. I think it would be smart to pull Kyle after Utah but let Juice continue. Keep juice at the three, move livio to the four and hopefully milutinov to the five, with Forbes and Murray at the guards. Let Archie and Murray fight for the starting spot from day one. Maybe Simmons doesn't play either and bertans starts the three. I think you only pull juice and slomo if the stashed picks arrive.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Some thoughts after watching the game again

First of all, seeing Kyle play like this is expected so I don't get too excited about the points and all, but it's the release of his shot that's starting to get to me. If he can consistently get his shot off like that, then it opens his game up. He already has a nice mid range game, he has a developing post game, so now as a threat beyond the line, it will cause defenders to properly close out on him which opens the door to more penetration. This should increase his scoring and not to mention improve the spacing on the floor.

Secondly, I like Arcidiacono. I think he's one of those blue collar career third stringers. In my mind he's the perfect type you want next to Murray pushing him to reach his full potential. If Murray starts show boating or getting sloppy you put Archie in and he'll play the right way. If Murray starts slacking on d or is not giving the effort you want, you put Archie in and he'll play his heart out. One is Captain America and one is Iron Man imo. Archie has the intangibles down. While I'm not ready to say trade mills, I think if Forbes and Archie can sustain this level of play and you need more cap, you can then look to o trade Patty.

As for Forbes, he's a star in my mind already. It's too bad we only got him on a one year contract. I think you start looking go or ways to add him on the roster. Unless he has a meteoric collapse or has an injury, I see him as this year's Gary Neal with like a curry swag.

Lastly, I'm not impressed with Juice. We all know he can score against this level of competition. If working on the fouling is what pop wants to see then the next thing is turnovers. I think it would be smart to pull Kyle after Utah but let Juice continue. Keep juice at the three, move livio to the four and hopefully milutinov to the five, with Forbes and Murray at the guards. Let Archie and Murray fight for the starting spot from day one. Maybe Simmons doesn't play either and bertans starts the three. I think you only pull juice and slomo if the stashed picks arrive.

Don't tell me SloMo is actually developing as could reasonably be expected of a guy coming into his 3rd season... :wow

Just taking a shot at the haters - glad to hear it! :)

[2centsworth]

Just watched the Sixers replay.

Kyle absolutely crumbled down the stretch. He's not a pure scorer, so that hurts him in tight situations.

Simmons has a Russell Westbrook type game. Explosive but wild with lots of turnovers. Best Athlete on the team though

Forbes is a pure shooter and isn't embarrassing defensively like Eddie Jarrell.

Arch has to show something on O. Looking forward to watching more without Simmons and KA.

[SAGirl]

Lastly, I'm not impressed with Juice. We all know he can score against this level of competition. If working on the fouling is what pop wants to see then the next thing is turnovers. I think it would be smart to pull Kyle after Utah but let Juice continue. Keep juice at the three, move livio to the four and hopefully milutinov to the five, with Forbes and Murray at the guards. Let Archie and Murray fight for the starting spot from day one. Maybe Simmons doesn't play either and bertans starts the three. I think you only pull juice and slomo if the stashed picks arrive.
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Thanks for sharing your insight Raybies much appreciated. I like to read thoughtful comments and you always deliver!!!
I agreed with everything. I selected just a snippet bc I wanted to see what others though about these two this SL. I know ElNono is utterly disappointed that they are much the same but I don't think he's paid attention to how aggressive Kyle was with the 3 and how different he's played within the offense making plays strictly as a big at times and not handling the basketball as he was used to.

We didn't see him on PnP 3s even in the last SL or all last season even. This past game he was off the ball a lot. It seemed like something they will use in the RS, not like just a test.

Chinook thinks they should both be pulled so Spurs can see and evaluate others and that makes sense. I am ready to move on from both if we concede Simmons is what he is and be done with it. He will be a good energy guy but not someone you want to hand the basketball to and tell him to go nuts. As much as he scored aver 30 points he almost gave this game away too. Very misleading stat line.

Kyle was already a SLMVP at 21 yrs old. He looks so much more polished than other bigs here that is almost a bit cruel and I didn't think he'd benefit from this initially but he's really displayed a different game this time as a strict 4 and not necessarily playmaking, but PNP shooting 3s and playing off the ball. He's modified his game. I think he could benefit from repetition at this spot bc he could turn into a significant bench piece, maybe even the 3rd Big off the bench. Boban is not matchup proof and Kyle is more versatile and him hitting that 3 makes him playable with the starters in a spread offense. The league is increasingly perimeter too and I think Kyle may end up playing more minutes than last season w/o Boris or D west. It's possible there's no more he can learn in these games, but it's not like he's an experienced 4.

Between us, I think Pop intended to not use Kyle in this fashion until his 4th season, thus they wanted to keep Diaw and give him even further time to develop. He was in a longer sche dule like Cojo IMO. But the situation being what it is, his timeline was accelerated and this is where he's at. He played some 4 last season, not a lot. He's more like a sophomore NBA player rather than 3rd year in regards to that. There are bigs whose physicality will get the best of him or athleticism. But he likely won't see those until the NBA anyways so it's a judgment call.

Maybe they both get pulled though bc they already got the footage they wanted and will work on deficiencies in training camp.

[Mnky]

Turnovers are obviously an issue at 9 for Simmons, but this is summer league. This is where you want him to make those so he can learn how to fix them. His potential ability to score is far beyond any of the other players at the moment. He doesn't need to rely on the system. For less than a million, he's a ridiculous bargain. If he was a starting sg, we couldn't afford him. Count your blessings. Also don't see why people talk about his age so much. Get over this ESPN crap about age limiting growth. Only someone who has never competed in high level sports or never coached would think that. The guy was playing pickup basketball a couple years ago. He's much improved from where he started, which was not an NBA player.

Same can be said for Kyle,as he is still developing and learning to play without being the focal point. Something that Diaw, one if the best point forwards, still struggled with late in his career as he would fade when not running the offense through him. Kyle was basically a 2ND round pick. Kid is good value. Give him more time.

I also notice all the Kyle supporters constantly praising Kyle and complaining about Kyle trolls... but the majority of them keep trying to highlight Simmons negatively.
Ironic.

[r0drig0lac]

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[r0drig0lac]

I still believe KA can be a very good player.

OV, come on man, 9 turnovers in a Summer League game....you can't count that. Too many new faces, tempo of game etc.

I see Hedo Turkoglu (magic version) potential

[Obstructed_View]

I still believe KA can be a very good player.

OV, come on man, 9 turnovers in a Summer League game....you can't count that. Too many new faces, tempo of game etc.

Pop sent KA and Simmons to summer league with a mandate on decision making. I guarantee you Pop is counting nine turnovers in a summer league game, whether you are or not.

[ceperez]

Some thoughts after watching the game again

First of all, seeing Kyle play like this is expected so I don't get too excited about the points and all, but it's the release of his shot that's starting to get to me. If he can consistently get his shot off like that, then it opens his game up. He already has a nice mid range game, he has a developing post game, so now as a threat beyond the line, it will cause defenders to properly close out on him which opens the door to more penetration. This should increase his scoring and not to mention improve the spacing on the floor.

Secondly, I like Arcidiacono. I think he's one of those blue collar career third stringers. In my mind he's the perfect type you want next to Murray pushing him to reach his full potential. If Murray starts show boating or getting sloppy you put Archie in and he'll play the right way. If Murray starts slacking on d or is not giving the effort you want, you put Archie in and he'll play his heart out. One is Captain America and one is Iron Man imo. Archie has the intangibles down. While I'm not ready to say trade mills, I think if Forbes and Archie can sustain this level of play and you need more cap, you can then look to o trade Patty.

As for Forbes, he's a star in my mind already. It's too bad we only got him on a one year contract. I think you start looking go or ways to add him on the roster. Unless he has a meteoric collapse or has an injury, I see him as this year's Gary Neal with like a curry swag.

Lastly, I'm not impressed with Juice. We all know he can score against this level of competition. If working on the fouling is what pop wants to see then the next thing is turnovers. I think it would be smart to pull Kyle after Utah but let Juice continue. Keep juice at the three, move livio to the four and hopefully milutinov to the five, with Forbes and Murray at the guards. Let Archie and Murray fight for the starting spot from day one. Maybe Simmons doesn't play either and bertans starts the three. I think you only pull juice and slomo if the stashed picks arrive.

Let me say something about juice. One of the reasons for Spurs collapse at the hands of OKC was that we couldn't rely on Parker or Manu to slash to the basket. Leonard was the only one, but he was doubled by the bigs. Spurs need slashers like Juice to break down the defense. Without them, Spurs aren't going to have the looks that they want.

Now if he's working on how to individually break down his defender.... then those turnovers are a learning experience.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm in agreement with a lot of you that I'd be fine seeing Anderson called home. I've seen enough to be satisfied with his improvement, and I'd like to see his minutes distributed to other players.

[ceperez]

I'm in agreement with a lot of you that I'd be fine seeing Anderson called home. I've seen enough to be satisfied with his improvement, and I'd like to see his minutes distributed to other players.

You got only 3 players on the team that's scoring ... so until the likes of Murray, Bertans and Hanlan step on the court, I'm happy that Kyle and Jonathon are building up confidence and skill.

[Obstructed_View]

I also notice all the Kyle supporters constantly praising Kyle and complaining about Kyle trolls... but the majority of them keep trying to highlight Simmons negatively.
Ironic.

Kyle has visibly bulked up and developed what looks like a really nice jumper out to three point range. Simmons is shooting 2-9 from three point range and has 13 turnovers in two games. The Simmons of last year scored a lot of points with a lot of turnovers. In an offseason where both were told to improve, one of them looks exactly the same as he did at the end of Vegas last year. Sorry, dude. That's a negative. Dribbling deep into traffic and willing the ball in with superior athleticism works great against guys that won't make an NBA roster, but it's not terribly successful against NBA talent. Nobody's rooting for Simmons to fail, but there are things he needs to do if he's going to help the team win.

[Obstructed_View]

You got only 3 players on the team that's scoring ... so until the likes of Murray, Bertans and Hanlan step on the court, I'm happy that Kyle and Jonathon are building up confidence and skill.

I completely agree with you. All three of those guys will be with the team by the time Vegas starts, which is why I'd like to see Anderson home after tomorrow's game.

[benefactor]

I think we've seen Simmons' ceiling or very close to it. Not sure he will even be on the roster come the ASB.

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons is too good to be playing against a bunch of scrubs

[ceperez]

Simmons is too good to be playing against a bunch of scrubs

He's a man among boys.... literally.

[Obstructed_View]

Simmons is too good to be turning the ball over this much against a bunch of scrubs

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a man among boys.... literally.
The Westbrook of the summer league, literally tbh. Hope he's our backup SG next year :tu

[ceperez]

The dude is just a bully:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT1wx0O0KeU

[r0drig0lac]

watching highlights of Bryn in michigan, the kid is a machine

[Obstructed_View]

The dude is just a bully:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT1wx0O0KeU

720p60 is the best way to watch sports other than live. It's amazing.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think we've seen Simmons' ceiling or very close to it. Not sure he will even be on the roster come the ASB.

Simmons is turning 27 soon, with him being on a 1 yr rental and with no room to grow really, I'd be cautiously shopping him around.

Players peak at 27, and a lot of Simmons game relies on athleticism. I don't see him improving, he's the best he's going to be right now.

[Obstructed_View]

Simmons is turning 27 soon, with him being on a 1 yr rental and with no room to grow really, I'd be cautiously shopping him around.

Players peak at 27, and a lot of Simmons game relies on athleticism. I don't see him improving, he's the best he's going to be right now.

I'm holding out hope because I really do like him, but when he showed up looking like exactly the same player as last summer, I wouldn't be surprised.

[AFBlue]

Arch has to show something on O.

Passing is considered offense. Arci is doing just fine...controlling the offense, making the smart plays and hitting shots when needed. I'm thinking he'll get more opportunity to show out if/when Simms/Anderson take a seat for good.

[Maddog]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/750526975635103744https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/750526975635103744

[objective]

Count me in the Simmons-Believer minority.

He does things no one else on the bench has proven they can do (anymore): penetrate, dish, finish. Create opportunities for himself and others. And he can hit the three, when he's not passing the shot up. And murder in transition. If he can stop getting stuck on every screen he might become a plus defender.

Anderson can sleepwalk into a fadeway and awkward layups and maybe pull the trigger on threes now. Ginobili used to be able to do everything awesome. Murray is a question mark. Bertans didn't look like that kind of player.

But Simmons adds the offensive versatile firepower the Spurs need. If there's going to be any kind of shot against GS, the offense needs that juice. If it's a bunch of attempted post feeds for LMA or Pau, GS will cluch and grab with the refs and elbow and knee their way into making the feeds messy or taking down the shot clock. They can't just pass the ball around the perimeter either without trying to get to the rim. Kawhi can't iso and outscore GS by himself.

Free Juice!

[benefactor]

Simmons is turning 27 soon, with him being on a 1 yr rental and with no room to grow really, I'd be cautiously shopping him around.

I agree. I think a team that's weak at PG might be interested in parting with a decent asset if you tossed him in as a sweetener to a deal involving Patty. Might be good for Simmons too. He could get more minutes and wind up with a decent contract in the upcoming spending spree.

[Chinook]

Issue with trading Simmons is that there's really no point anymore. It would have been an idea during the draft. Now, he'd not bring back anything other than a pick, which would be all right except that he's currently projected to be in the rotation this season. So you'd have to replace that, and I don't see anyone out there who's a lock to be able to do that for the min.

[MaNu4Tres]

Issue with trading Simmons is that there's really no point anymore. It would have been an idea during the draft. Now, he'd not bring back anything other than a pick, which would be all right except that he's currently projected to be in the rotation this season. So you'd have to replace that, and I don't see anyone out there who's a lock to be able to do that for the min.

I think there's a point to trading Simmons if he's a sweetener in a deal. Again that's why I said cautiously shop him around (knowing he cld be part of the rotation). The player SA would get in return would have to a contributor, or if Bertans earns a significant role, Simmons will become expendable -- esp with Manu coming back -- in that case getting player back wouldn't be needed.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Green has another shit year, Simmons would arguably be the best SG on the roster. Why would we trade him? You won't get a better free agent with the scrubs that are left, much less for 800k.

People are over critical of him for no reason. It's hilarious.

[Obstructed_View]

Pop said a few years ago that Mills will be on the team as long as he's around, so don't really count on him being traded.

[benefactor]

Pop said a few years ago that Mills will be on the team as long as he's around, so don't really count on him being traded.
He also said George Hill was his favorite player.

[Obstructed_View]

He also said George Hill was his favorite player.

And he can still be Pop's favorite player in Utah. It's quite different from saying that you'll never trade him as long as you're the coach.

[Dex]

I think we've seen Simmons' ceiling or very close to it. Not sure he will even be on the roster come the ASB.

Yep. He's good enough to beast against D-League competition, but not good enough to really stand out in the NBA. At age 26, it seems unlikely that he adds much more to his game than he already has.

He has the talent to be an end of the bench, spot-minutes kind of player. Remains to be seen whether that will be with the Spurs for long.

[r0drig0lac]

Simmons goes for his second year with the team, his ceiling with SAS is unknown

[Rito3d30]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/750526975635103744https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/750526975635103744

Finally:hungry:

[montgod]

Pop said a few years ago that Mills will be on the team as long as he's around, so don't really count on him being traded.

Lets hope all that muscle doesn't jack up his shot

[JR3]

Yes, basically every other big, including Cady Lalanne. :lol
Lol...so sad... Especially since we need depth at the 4/5

[montgod]

Will Hanlan be added to the summer league team for Utah or Vegas?

[Big Empty]

Simmons is turning 27 soon, with him being on a 1 yr rental and with no room to grow really, I'd be cautiously shopping him around.

Players peak at 27, and a lot of Simmons game relies on athleticism. I don't see him improving, he's the best he's going to be right now. he is still young. If he can develop a shot in the next year or two we could get 2 or 3 productive years out of him for cheap before his althelitisism starts to fade. 27 is still young. Hell i think Manu was 25 when he came into the league as a rookie.

[Mnky]

Kyle has visibly bulked up and developed what looks like a really nice jumper out to three point range. Simmons is shooting 2-9 from three point range and has 13 turnovers in two games. The Simmons of last year scored a lot of points with a lot of turnovers. In an offseason where both were told to improve, one of them looks exactly the same as he did at the end of Vegas last year. Sorry, dude. That's a negative. Dribbling deep into traffic and willing the ball in with superior athleticism works great against guys that won't make an NBA roster, but it's not terribly successful against NBA talent. Nobody's rooting for Simmons to fail, but there are things he needs to do if he's going to help the team win.

Simmons has done plenty to warrant good reviews. Kyle has done plenty to warrant bad reviews. That isn't the argument. The statement was that the constant " stop Kyle trolling " crew is constantly bagging on Simmons.

[Keepin' it real]

Spurstalk is so fickle. I can't wait for Forbes to have an off night so I can read all the "Forbes sucks" ... "Forbes is a D-league scrub at best" posts.

:lol

[ceperez]

Yep, looks like Spurs coaching staff are comparing his footwork with JJ Redick:

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Forbes-can-shoot-giving-him-a-shot-8342502.php

[-21-]

Gotta say, Kyle has looked promising. Hopefully he's ready for a bigger role off the bench. We're gonna need him to step up for the team to have even the slightest chance of taking down GS.

[8FOR!3]

Would be big if we get another shooter off the bench in this Bryn Forbes guy. Anyway to watch the summer league games? Doesn't look like NBA offers any kind of on demand thing. When are the Spurs on NBA TV?

[sasaint]

Gotta say, Kyle has looked promising. Hopefully he's ready for a bigger role off the bench. We're gonna need him to step up for the team to have even the slightest chance of taking down GS.

We need a couple of young guys to really blossom this season along with a yet-to-be-identified big.

[NASpurs]

Would be big if we get another shooter off the bench in this Bryn Forbes guy. Anyway to watch the summer league games? Doesn't look like NBA offers any kind of on demand thing. When are the Spurs on NBA TV?

All the games have been on the ESPNWatch/ESPN3 app and website.

[Chinook]

Would be big if we get another shooter off the bench in this Bryn Forbes guy. Anyway to watch the summer league games? Doesn't look like NBA offers any kind of on demand thing. When are the Spurs on NBA TV?

ESPN 3 should have all the games, including replays.

[cutewizard]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..hope Murray can contribute this year

[8FOR!3]

All the games have been on the ESPNWatch/ESPN3 app and website.


ESPN 3 should have all the games, including replays.

Perfect, thanks guys!

[GSH]

Pop sent KA and Simmons to summer league with a mandate on decision making. I guarantee you Pop is counting nine turnovers in a summer league game, whether you are or not.


Simmons' biggest strength could also be his biggest weakness. He's got great handles, and a real talent for getting to the rim and finishing. That threat could give him the opportunity to get teammates easy buckets. To me it looks like he's always looking for his own opportunity first, and he gets too deep into the defense before he recognizes that it isn't there.

It's like a young pitcher with a 98 mph fastball. It usually takes them a couple of seasons to realize that, if you throw it too often, big league hitters will light you up. I don't care how good you handle the ball, NBA defenses aren't going to let you keep getting to the rim play after play. Again, just my opinion, but right now it looks like he has to be convinced that he can't get to the rack before he starts looking elsewhere. I'm not sure it's decision making as much as mindset.

That doesn't diminish the fact that he has great handles, and a real talent for getting to the rim and finishing. That would serve him well on a wide-open team, but it's going to be tough for him to get it past Pop. Manu made Pop crazy with his wild style of play, but Pop put up with it because he brought more positives than negatives. But Manu also modified his game to fit more with Pop's expectations. I think Simmons needs to figure that part out. Personally, I love Simmons, and what he potentially brings to the team. But even I think he would do well to spend some time learning how to benefit the team in other ways.

[tav1]

Simmons is an NBA player who is useful to many teams, I'm sure. Perhaps not a great fit for the Spurs, is all.

To my eyes, the Spurs are intentionally building a roster of snipers, which is one reason I believe the Bourousis rumors. Not that he's a "sniper". But he does have range to serve as a stretch 5.

My suspicion requires more development than this quick reply, but the prima facia case is easy to spot. Tony Parker has shot over 40% from 3 the last two seasons, Kawhi will hit at ~45% this season, Green should recover to > 40%, Bertans >40%, and Forbes is at least a 40% shooter from deep.

Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gasol, and, if he's added, Bourousis will shoot between 35 and 40% from deep. That's 10 players whom all shoot better than 35% from three.

I'd guess the Spurs are doing this for a variety of reasons. To solve the math problem GS presents, to create more space for Leonard to penetrate, clears space for Aldridge on low block, it's somewhat organic with the players available to team, and, despite their regular season defensive brilliance, the team struggled to keep pace with the Thunder and Warriors in every meeting last season. Without Tim Duncan, it will be difficult to have the same defensive identity next season. Not that Pop punts on defense, but the team must create advantages elsewhere. This team will look more like the 2012 Spurs.

Maybe Simmons fits this roster as one of the few players who can get to the rim. More space would play to his strengths. But I'm not convinced.

[Solid D]

Will Hanlan be added to the summer league team for Utah or Vegas?

I'm not sure if he has swapped sides, yet. He looked pretty good vs. the Spurs in their first Utah SL game.

[jyra]

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[Vic Petro]

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[raybies]

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[Chinook]

Hope he's better than Cady has been. But no Ndoye? :depressed

[raybies]

To me this mean Milutinov isn't making it, that or Jean-Charles.

[Kawhitstorm]

Hope he's better than Cady has been. But no Ndoye? :depressed

Jarnell is Blair 2.0 w/o the ego & Whataburger addiction.

[look_at_g_shred]

Stoked for Stokes :lobt2:

[Keepin' it real]

I hear Jarnell Stokes might be joining the Spurs summer league team.

[Keepin' it real]

To me this mean Milutinov isn't making it, that or Jean-Charles.

I thought Milutinov was a sure thing?

[raybies]

I thought Milutinov was a sure thing?

Well with him getting contact offers in Europe, the signs look like he's staying overseas. I guess it's all in the air with Duncan's decision. I don't think the Spurs can do two buyouts. They already need money to buyout Bertans, if my memory serves me correctly, so maybe Milutinov stays. Which is unfortunate cause I think we need him this year to start developing. Kind of wishing we took Zubac instead of Murray, with the glut of guards we have now. But if Murray turns out it'll be worth it

[I. Hustle]

Did you guys hear about Stokes?

[GSH]

Jarnell is Blair 2.0 w/o the ego & Whataburger addiction.


LOL. I just posted the same thing in the thread about him. He's a short fucking Dejuan Blair. It's not that I hate him, I've just come to hate fucking tweeners. I've gotten excited about way too many of them, and with just a very few exceptions, they always disappoint.

[marinoman]

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[Kawhitstorm]

LOL. I just posted the same thing in the thread about him. He's a short fucking Dejuan Blair. It's not that I hate him, I've just come to hate fucking tweeners. I've gotten excited about way too many of them, and with just a very few exceptions, they always disappoint.

Fat Baby was a rotation player on a Championship team. Upstairs, Stokes comes off more like Big Baby than Blair who would have been getting paid if he had any work ethic.

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[SAGirl]

Simmons' biggest strength could also be his biggest weakness. He's got great handles, and a real talent for getting to the rim and finishing. That threat could give him the opportunity to get teammates easy buckets. To me it looks like he's always looking for his own opportunity first, and he gets too deep into the defense before he recognizes that it isn't there.

It's like a young pitcher with a 98 mph fastball. It usually takes them a couple of seasons to realize that, if you throw it too often, big league hitters will light you up. I don't care how good you handle the ball, NBA defenses aren't going to let you keep getting to the rim play after play. Again, just my opinion, but right now it looks like he has to be convinced that he can't get to the rack before he starts looking elsewhere. I'm not sure it's decision making as much as mindset.

That doesn't diminish the fact that he has great handles, and a real talent for getting to the rim and finishing. That would serve him well on a wide-open team, but it's going to be tough for him to get it past Pop. Manu made Pop crazy with his wild style of play, but Pop put up with it because he brought more positives than negatives. But Manu also modified his game to fit more with Pop's expectations. I think Simmons needs to figure that part out. Personally, I love Simmons, and what he potentially brings to the team. But even I think he would do well to spend some time learning how to benefit the team in other ways.

You make some good points. I wanted to mention for my part, that he has improved his handles a lot from where I saw them 2 years ago.

One thing I noticed is that a lot of his TO were just a bad decision. At least a couple were, he got a pass at the 3 pt line, with a guy in his vicinity but not on an aggressive close out of any kind. He chose to drive on a guy who was at least 4 feet away from him. He has an explosive step, which gives him confidence he can dunk on any of these guys whenever he wants to but the guy was still not close enough to him that he could just blow by him like that. Those were TO. It slowed him down just enough to get stripped or lose the handle or for help to arrive, in one he got an offensive foul called. He should have just called up a screen from a big in that situation if he didn't want to take the 3. Those are the kinds of things that I deem in the "decision making" category. He had shot just 1-7 from 3 the night b4 and he had some definite shyness to take the 3 in this game, so his decision making in that kind of situation could improve. Either take the 3, pass out to a teammate for a play if there is time, or if you want to drive, call for a screen. He had this same kind of TO in the RS, exactly same situation, pass up on a 3, dribble onto a TO. The good thing is that it's a correctable problem. I think if he stayed within the system, some TO are avoidable. The fact he was dominating everybody physically emboldened him to such an extent that he got motivated to street ball and separate from the system. Bad things happen when you separate from the system and go into solo shizz, even in SL, so you can imagine in the NBA is that much worse. He kind of hit a rookie wall when they started to defend him like that last season. He has started to hit the midrange shot. He has definitely worked on it bc it wasn't a part of his game. Still part of summer league is probably cleaning up bad habits like the one I mentioned.

To be fair, and not seem like I am hating JSimms, Kyle did engage in some solo stuff of his own at the end too and that didn't end too well for him either. He ran out of gas and the things he attempted ended up in him getting stuck too but with the exception of a couple of plays at the end, Kyle didn't deviate that much from the system the rest of the game. If he wanted to try his own solo stuff he could have called a clear out post up for himself. It prevents bigs, as he now is from getting stuck in no land. He had nice passes to his teammate big when he drew help but Kirk just could not convert on that. I think a clear out post up was needed if he wanted to go one on one within Pop's system. And good things happen in the system, out of the post up he gets a good shot for himself or a lane opens up for a 3 for a teammate. For Simms, if he called a screen on a solo shizz, good things can also happen for himself or a teammate as well.

Also, cannot stress this enough, both guys were very tired towards the end. The game was very fast paced, frenetic at times and they got gassed.

Saying this in all fairness bc I am not in some Simms hate wagon.

In a way, I am torn bc I feel like despite the "domination" both guys could stand to improve a lot still. However, when the disparity in talent is that wide, guys don't necessarily learn a lot from this experience and may pick up bad habits. It's likely to continue as a season long learning process anyways. Predict a lot of chewing outs. Both guys have a lot to work on still and it will undoubtedly have to happen through the season . I am sure for example Pop will continue to develop Kyle's post game and it's a work in progress currently.

[SAGirl]

Simmons is an NBA player who is useful to many teams, I'm sure. Perhaps not a great fit for the Spurs, is all.

To my eyes, the Spurs are intentionally building a roster of snipers, which is one reason I believe the Bourousis rumors. Not that he's a "sniper". But he does have range to serve as a stretch 5.

My suspicion requires more development than this quick reply, but the prima facia case is easy to spot. Tony Parker has shot over 40% from 3 the last two seasons, Kawhi will hit at ~45% this season, Green should recover to > 40%, Bertans >40%, and Forbes is at least a 40% shooter from deep.

Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Gasol, and, if he's added, Bourousis will shoot between 35 and 40% from deep. That's 10 players whom all shoot better than 35% from three.

I'd guess the Spurs are doing this for a variety of reasons. To solve the math problem GS presents, to create more space for Leonard to penetrate, clears space for Aldridge on low block, it's somewhat organic with the players available to team, and, despite their regular season defensive brilliance, the team struggled to keep pace with the Thunder and Warriors in every meeting last season. Without Tim Duncan, it will be difficult to have the same defensive identity next season. Not that Pop punts on defense, but the team must create advantages elsewhere. This team will look more like the 2012 Spurs.

Maybe Simmons fits this roster as one of the few players who can get to the rim. More space would play to his strengths. But I'm not convinced.

As an aside from the Jsimms subject, I like this point. Without TD its unlikely the team can maintain the same level defensively and even at their best defensively, the team struggled to score at times. It didn't cost them in the regular season that much bc they were just that good defensively, but against the elite teams they could not afford to get behind in even the smallest fashion bc they didn't have the firepower to make runs when they needed them and that goes to shooting. JSimms has a role off the bench. He's terrific pushing the pace in transition and the bench can benefit from that a lot. In fact I can see the perfect pairing that JSimms and Kyle's game makes off the bench now that Kyle is shooting the 3 this well. JSimms needs to continue to work on his 3 pt shot bc he's unlikely to be that ball dominant. There will be times he will be the one spotting up. He showed he could hit the 3, and I think he needs to continue to take it as a way of building good habits and confidence.

[Mnky]

JSimms has a role off the bench. He's terrific pushing the pace in transition and the bench can benefit from that a lot. In fact I can see the perfect pairing that JSimms and Kyle's game makes off the bench now that Kyle is shooting the 3 this well. JSimms needs to continue to work on his 3 pt shot bc he's unlikely to be that ball dominant. There will be times he will be the one spotting up. He showed he could hit the 3, and I think he needs to continue to take it as a way of building good habits and confidence.

I think they fit well together too.I'd prefer sims to play off Kyle being the main handler. Kyle has the cleaner stroke and would be good for sims to start the pick n roll with, but should be much more situational driving off of screens and play action, then straight from the 1. Kyle has a much better handle for ball control, and could take advantage of Sims besting the defense with his good passing and vision. I like seeing them play together. Seems their confidence is much higher.

This is why I don't like older vets getting so many regular season minutes. Young guys need to build chemistry and don't have the chance taking turns being the one roster change here and there.

[tav1]

As an aside from the Jsimms subject, I like this point. Without TD its unlikely the team can maintain the same level defensively and even at their best defensively, the team struggled to score at times. It didn't cost them in the regular season that much bc they were just that good defensively, but against the elite teams they could not afford to get behind in even the smallest fashion bc they didn't have the firepower to make runs when they needed them and that goes to shooting. JSimms has a role off the bench. He's terrific pushing the pace in transition and the bench can benefit from that a lot. In fact I can see the perfect pairing that JSimms and Kyle's game makes off the bench now that Kyle is shooting the 3 this well. JSimms needs to continue to work on his 3 pt shot bc he's unlikely to be that ball dominant. There will be times he will be the one spotting up. He showed he could hit the 3, and I think he needs to continue to take it as a way of building good habits and confidence.

If Simmons could hit at 35-38% without hesitation, he'd be an NBA starter. So it's hard to be too critical on him. In that regard, he reminds me Corey Maggette, with less size. We'll see. I'll maintain my position Spurs will attempt a high volume of threes and intend to spread out the offense vs. last season.

[ceperez]

If Simmons could hit at 35-38% without hesitation, he'd be an NBA starter. So it's hard to be too critical on him. In that regard, he reminds me Corey Maggette, with less size. We'll see. I'll maintain my position Spurs will attempt a high volume of threes and intend to spread out the offense vs. last season.

Wait... why are we all grading him from the offensive perspective. I say he should be more like Tony Allen... he's just as big and just with a lot more patience, he should be an adequate defender.

[GSH]

One thing I noticed is that a lot of his TO were just a bad decision. At least a couple were, he got a pass at the 3 pt line, with a guy in his vicinity but not on an aggressive close out of any kind. He chose to drive on a guy who was at least 4 feet away from him.


The truth is I really, really like Jonathan Simmons. I like him because he's a good kid who I'd love to see get a break. I like him because he's a high-flyer, and I think the Spurs need some of that. I like him because for the last several seasons the Spurs can't get out in front on fast breaks for shit, and he can. There's part of me that is an absolute bandwagon fan of the guy.

My point is that a lot of his "bad decisions" don't happen at the point where he makes the decision. They happen because he's always thinking about making a break for the rim, and he puts himself into positions where he has to make bad decisions. He waits too long to make decisions, because he always wants to make the decision to put his head down and take it to the hole. When it's not there, he's behind the curve. That's the way I see it, anyway.

Oh, but when he does get loose he's a beast! He'd get a lot more minutes and touches on the Wizards or Sixers, and probably get a much bigger payday next year. What I'd really like is for him to play so well that the Spurs will give him $5M a year. But to do that, he's going to have to do more than score, and he can't turn the ball over like he did in that last game - whatever the reason for the turnovers.

[CGD]

Man the Spurs are going to carry at least 3 rookies this year. Has that ever happened?

[Drom John]

Man the Spurs are going to carry at least 3 rookies this year. Has that ever happened?

Only including the Duncan era, and ignoring 10-days, but for when four temps combined enough to maybe count as one carry.


2011-2012, kind of, Cory Joseph, Kawhi Leonard, and starting in January, a combo of DLeaguers (Malcolm Thomas, Eric Dawson, Justin Dentman and Derrick Byars)

2010-2011, James Anderson, Gary Neal, Tiago Splitter

2008-2009, light carry, Malik Hairston, George Hill, Anthony Tolliver

[Obstructed_View]

The truth is I really, really like Jonathan Simmons. I like him because he's a good kid who I'd love to see get a break. I like him because he's a high-flyer, and I think the Spurs need some of that. I like him because for the last several seasons the Spurs can't get out in front on fast breaks for shit, and he can. There's part of me that is an absolute bandwagon fan of the guy.

My point is that a lot of his "bad decisions" don't happen at the point where he makes the decision. They happen because he's always thinking about making a break for the rim, and he puts himself into positions where he has to make bad decisions. He waits too long to make decisions, because he always wants to make the decision to put his head down and take it to the hole. When it's not there, he's behind the curve. That's the way I see it, anyway.

Oh, but when he does get loose he's a beast! He'd get a lot more minutes and touches on the Wizards or Sixers, and probably get a much bigger payday next year. What I'd really like is for him to play so well that the Spurs will give him $5M a year. But to do that, he's going to have to do more than score, and he can't turn the ball over like he did in that last game - whatever the reason for the turnovers.

He's got all kinds of talent, but he's reckless on both ends, and it gets him in trouble. The biggest worry is that the reckless mistakes he made last year are still there. I'm hoping against hope that he's not happy about his performance in last night's game. Someone who is happy to break the scoring record in the Utah summer league with 9 turnovers isn't going to make it as a Spur.

[raybies]

Imo we need as much youth as possible and for three reasons. 1. It gives the team upside which will be needed against the upper tier teams. 2. The contacts will be considerably cheaper than that of proven vets. 3. It allows us to have ready developed players for next year if we do succeed in signing a max free agent.

Sure some cons might be consistency or if they can perform for the playoffs but with GS likely so dominant, you want the flexibility of growing a season yet remaining competitive for a title. Whether we field a team full of rookies or not we are likely to be second in the West so might as well start developing players.

[Obstructed_View]

Wait... why are we all grading him from the offensive perspective. I say he should be more like Tony Allen... he's just as big and just with a lot more patience, he should be an adequate defender.

He should be an adequate defender, but he's not. He doesn't seem to have improved on his defense or his three pointer in the offseason, so I'll speak for myself and say that I'm going simple and rooting for him to stop being a turnover machine.

[tav1]

Wait... why are we all grading him from the offensive perspective. I say he should be more like Tony Allen... he's just as big and just with a lot more patience, he should be an adequate defender.

I don't see him anywhere close to Tony Allen. If had those defensive chops he'd play 25 minutes a game.

[SAGirl]

I think they fit well together too.I'd prefer sims to play off Kyle being the main handler. Kyle has the cleaner stroke and would be good for sims to start the pick n roll with, but should be much more situational driving off of screens and play action, then straight from the 1. Kyle has a much better handle for ball control, and could take advantage of Sims besting the defense with his good passing and vision. I like seeing them play together. Seems their confidence is much higher.

This is why I don't like older vets getting so many regular season minutes. Young guys need to build chemistry and don't have the chance taking turns being the one roster change here and there.
Agree. And I was disappointed they played together so little bc aside from battling each other for minutes which ensured they rarely coincided on the court together, when they did play together we saw a little showtime!

Highlights are around from their play together... and that was only in a few games. No matter what happens in the season and I am hoping for the best, I think at least the team will be fun to watch.

I have watched these two since these times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nNTx_x2SIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSHToRyiXs
I definitely look forward to seeing Pop putting the package together.

:toast

[r0drig0lac]

Darius Adams (other Baskonia player) killed today (25pts 6ast 9/16fg 4/8-3pt)

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

Darius Adams (other Baskonia player) killed today (25pts 6ast 9/16fg 4/8-3pt)
If I remember correctly, he was among that summer FA mini camp invitees for Spurs. But I guess the decided on Forbes and Arci.

[SAGirl]

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[RD2191]

Darius Adams (other Baskonia player) killed today (25pts 6ast 9/16fg 4/8-3pt)
RIP

[SAGirl]

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Coach Will Hardy not satisfied with TO and OBoards for the other team in the last game saying guys fell apart mentally and that it leaves a bad sense for them. I don't think think they were satisfied with that game at all:


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[Chinook]

Simmons on Forbes making life easy for him:
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See, stuff like that gives me some semblance of hope for Simmons' long-term potential. I never took him for a dumb player, but I didn't take him for someone who would help mentor younger guys. On one hand, he's absolutely right that Forbes needs to read man and ball. Having chemistry between the driver and the spot-up guys really helps and offense excel (like Green and Parker in 2013). Of course, on the other hand, the spot-up guy has to read the rest of the floor and follow the rules of the offense. When Simmons, drives, Forbes slides down to the weakside corner.


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Cady is so pulling a Bogut on this play. His effort last night was embarrassing, and he's not making the team acting like that.

[SAGirl]

Cady is so pulling a Bogut on this play. His effort last night was embarrassing, and he's not making the team acting like that.
Yes I highlighted (cherrypicked) some tweets referencing Simmons, Anderson and Forbes who are the guys who have clearly stood out.
Cady didn't do anything good, I saw the Jeff Ayers hands in a pass, he wasn't boxing out like he needed to. I did see him grabbing position in the paint which opened things up in the perimeter for a 3 at times... but he just didn't look good at all. He will have to show more bc LJC and Stokes.

There was an article behind a paywall that Simmons is aiming for more solid play. I doubt he's happy with his play:
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I can't read it, but solid play is not what he was doing out there. He was aggressive which they asked, but not solid.

As you saw, the coaching staff sounded quite upset for the TO and the lack of rebounding too. I thought personally Anderson wasn't putting the work late in the game to box out like he should. He seemed lazy and I think he was tired bc he also didn't play well offensively... so what he was doing was on both ends. He was spent. I think the stamina to play inside is something else and it is something he will need to get used to.

I really would like to see them play more, but we'll see. These are rotation players and they need to work on their stuff. They may look like they are dominating bc they can just simply flat out score the ball... but there are concerning things that are not going to cut it with the big club. I would not be surprised to see them all the way to Vegas with his past game having looked so poor.

[Solid D]

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Not the best example to use for someone "moving without the ball." That is a missed assignment if Bryn does not slide from the wing to the corner on a drive like that. Spurs' coaches would have pulled him aside for counseling (or out), if he didn't slide to the corner.

[Chinook]

Not the best example to use for someone "moving without the ball." That is a missed assignment if Bryn does not slide from the wing to the corner on a drive like that. Spurs' coaches would have pulled him aside for counseling (or out), if he didn't slide to the corner.

That's not even a missed read or something. That's like the entire play. Cady had the worst hammer screen that I've ever seen to be part of a successful attempt. The Sixers guy had no idea what was going on. It was just strange.

[Solid D]

That's not even a missed read or something. That's like the entire play. Cady had the worst hammer screen that I've ever seen to be part of a successful attempt. The Sixers guy had no idea what was going on. It was just strange.

I hear ya, but the point is that Jabari's example was whack. Bryn was just running the motion of the play, as designed.

[AFBlue]

Y'all hear about Stokea?!?!?

[look_at_g_shred]

RIP
:lmao

[palangi]

See, stuff like that gives me some semblance of hope for Simmons' long-term potential. I never took him for a dumb player, but I didn't take him for someone who would help mentor younger guys. On one hand, he's absolutely right that Forbes needs to read man and ball. Having chemistry between the driver and the spot-up guys really helps and offense excel (like Green and Parker in 2013). Of course, on the other hand, the spot-up guy has to read the rest of the floor and follow the rules of the offense. When Simmons, drives, Forbes slides down to the weakside corner.



Cady is so pulling a Bogut on this play. His effort last night was embarrassing, and he's not making the team acting like that.

On that play he set a back screen to open Forbes for the corner 3. Not a good play to use as an example of bad Cady.

[Keepin' it real]

The truth is I really, really like Jonathan Simmons.

With his athleticism, there's absolutely no excuse for him not to be a complete pest on the defensive side of the ball.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Besides Murray tweeting he can't wait to play Thursday, is there any news on him actually playing today?

[NASpurs]

Besides Murray tweeting he can't wait to play Thursday, is there any news on him actually playing today?

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[emanueldavidginobili]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/07/07/paper-work-is-done-dejounte-murray-ready-to-play/

this answers my question, he will play tonight and start.

[Nathan89]

Hell yes! Can't wait to see him start tonight.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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Thanks, I'm so excited to watch this kid tonight, he's not going up against no scrub either tonight, Terry Rozier is a tough dude. After watching that video I wonder what happend with him in Jamal Crawford.

[Mugen]

Any way to stream the game tonight?

[NASpurs]

Any way to stream the game tonight?

ESPN3 /WatchESPN app

[Spur|n|Austin]

Any way to stream the game tonight?

But if you don't have access to ^ then I can PM you some links near game time.

[ceperez]

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Looks like he's setting himself up to disappoint!

[Leetonidas]

You gotta love the swag the kid has and (seemingly) his willingness to do whatever he needs to. Hopefully he can deliver on the court

[Mugen]

ESPN3 /WatchESPN app


But if you don't have access to ^ then I can PM you some links near game time.

I should be able to watch through WatchESPN.

Thanks bruh(s) :toast

[ceperez]

You gotta love the swag the kid has and (seemingly) his willingness to do whatever he needs to. Hopefully he can deliver on the court

Right now, he's all talk. The guy can't shoot... that's enough to tell me that he's going to spend a lot of time with Austin.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Right now, he's all talk. The guy can't shoot... that's enough to tell me that he's going to spend a lot of time with Austin.
How is he all talk? Not once did he say he was a great shooter, all he said was he was going to give it his all.

[BillMc]

Thanks, I'm so excited to watch this kid tonight, he's not going up against no scrub either tonight, Terry Rozier is a tough dude. After watching that video I wonder what happend with him in Jamal Crawford.

Yeah, wondering that too.

[Emperor]

He shouldn't have even mentioned anything about some "situation" about them, just say a few kind words and move on to next question. Gotta learn to keep any hint of drama under wraps but i'm sure he'll learn that as he grows more accustomed to the team and how they deal with certain things.

[BillMc]

He shouldn't have even mentioned anything about some "situation" about them, just say a few kind words and move on to next question. Gotta learn to keep any hint of drama under wraps but i'm sure he'll learn that as he grows more accustomed to the team and how they deal with certain things.

Well said. Spurs media relations 101.

[Mnky]

I don't know, he's constantly asked about Crawford. He's probably tired of it and wants to let it be known he doesn't wish to talk about Crawford.

[raybies]

You gotta love the swag the kid has and (seemingly) his willingness to do whatever he needs to. Hopefully he can deliver on the court

He should be fine. Hopefully he doesn't try to be the star in one night. Just play off Kyle and Juice and let it come naturally. I'm just looking forward to see improvement in his decision making, meaning higher percentage shots and not committing to deep than forcing a shot or pass.

[siraulo23]

game is about to start i think

[Keepin' it real]

He should be fine. Hopefully he doesn't try to be the star in one night. Just play off Kyle and Juice and let it come naturally. I'm just looking forward to see improvement in his decision making, meaning higher percentage shots and not committing to deep than forcing a shot or pass.

Improvement? It's his first game.

[BillMc]

game is about to start i think
Lorbek playing?

[TheGoldStandard]

Damnit.. switch over already NBA TV I dont give 2 shits about this shitty game.

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray and Kyle shouldn't be on the floor together.

[BillMc]

Early impression - Murray like to score more than pass. :lol I see ST controversies in a few years.

[Leetonidas]

lol slowmo picked twice in three possessions

[xellos88330]

Murray is not shy shooting.

[BillMc]

ILP has Boston broadcasters. No info at all on Spurs players.

[kxs783kms]

Can someone PM me the link? Thanks!

[TheGoldStandard]

These guys don't have any continuity.. haven't played together in a game.. They'll get into a rhythm soon..

[NASpurs]

Lorbek checking in?!

[Spur-Addict]

Murray needs to settle down. Careless with the rock

[Emperor]

Man Celtics hitting those lucky shots early on.

[NASpurs]

Lorbek sighting

[slick'81]

Lorbek sighting


Hows he looking

[myhc]

Oh shit Lorbekis in!

[TheGoldStandard]

Lorbek looks slow and already gassed lol..

[Hoops Czar]

Did Dewayne Dedmon not qualify for Summer league?

[xellos88330]

Murray playing out of control. Kid needs to relax out there. Lorbek looks like he can set a mean screen.

[raybies]

Who need Westbrook when you got Murray. I don't want to judge so fast because he hasn't played in months but he looks raw.

[BillMc]

Haven't seen much out of Forbes.

[myhc]

Lorbek established nice low post position, got fouled.

[SPURt]

Lorbek yelling at Murray lol

[myhc]

Murray has a little TP in him. Hope he passes more on the break lol

[Mnky]

To be fair, everyone is out control. Anderson got picked twice already with bad drives. Boston has athletic scrappy players. Expect lots of turn overs.

Murray has taken shots that are good, hasn't made them.

Archie looks like he has great pg awareness.

Cummings made a couple good looks.

[NASpurs]

Lorbek looks like he carries a lot of weight below the torso.

[NASpurs]

Celtics scrubs making every shot. Seems familiar.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lorbek is such a scrub.

[xellos88330]

Lazy passes.

[sasaint]

Plenty of lazy, poor passes by our guys.

[NASpurs]

Turnover turnover turnover turnover

[TheGreatYacht]

I really hope the commentators talk about Durant and how his meeting with the Celtics went....

[SPURt]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpg

[BillMc]

I really hope the commentators talk about Durant and how his meeting with the Celtics went....
:lmao

Read my mind. I was flipping off my screen telling them to shut up about that.

Better get back on my meds...

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray having good looks, getting to the basket too just can't shoot.. Fixable.

Cummings is a black hole even if he is making shots

Lorbek is talking which is good.. has some court generalship

[TheGreatYacht]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpg
Softest player to put the jersey on since Splitter

[LakerHater]

Lorbek sucks

[NASpurs]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpg

:lmao :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle giving up rebounds like he's playing against OKC

[raybies]

Improvement? It's his first game.

Was hoping he could play with more control under patfo directive. But looks like they didn't tell him anything. Guess they want to see what they got...

[myhc]

very nice move by Kyle

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao

Read my mind. I was flipping off my screen telling them to shut up about that.

Better get back on my meds...
These delusional fucks :lmao they actually think they have something special next year hahaha

[PÒÓCH]

Boston has a very "meaty" team that knows how to space the floor well, these spurs players fall for every head fake and fake pass given to them. smh

[BillMc]

These delusional fucks :lmao they actually think they have something special next year hahaha

Special is second round in the East. :lol

[BillMc]

It's ok. I didn't want the commentators to actually talk about the game anyway.

[TheGreatYacht]

Special is second round in the East. :lol
:lol

[ace3g]

KA to Simmons!!!

[SPURt]

That was dope KA

[myhc]

Simmons with the hammer!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

Anderson and Simmons are budget Harris-Oladipo :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

That flush tho!

[HI-FI]

That was nice from KA to Simmons.

[TheGoldStandard]

That guy called Kirk a Ginger.. he wasn't having that

[ace3g]

Captain Kirk with the block

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs going on a run with the original core of Arci-Forbes-Simmons-Kyle

[xellos88330]

Arci has nice hustle.

[TheGoldStandard]

Forbes doesn't miss

[BillMc]

Simmons has such potential, but those turnovers...

[r0drig0lac]

stephen forbes

[SPURt]

How are the Spurs in this?

[sasaint]

Arci has nice hustle.

Good quickness, good toughness. He will be good in Greece.

[myhc]

Damn Murray with the nice crossover and drive. Dude is always looking to attack.

[sasaint]

Simmons has such potential, but those turnovers...

Dribbled a ball off his own leg a minute ago, trying to split a couple of Celts. Smh! I wish he could get it together.

[SPURt]

Kyle Anderson went Iceman on them, whoa!

[r0drig0lac]

magic Anderson!!!

[TheGoldStandard]

starting to get some continuity and feeling each other out.. go on this nice run.. Murray can handle the rock and drive but his shot is really broken.

[td4mvp2k]

Dam slo mo

[Dex]

Fuck! Forgot the game started at 6.

Sounds like it was an underwhelming first half by most, but Anderson doing what he can to bring it back.

Good to see Murray out there.

[DPG21920]

:wow Murray

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray again!!

[myhc]

Murray again with the drive!

[ace3g]

Dejoun quick drive to basket

[SPURt]

I guess that's why Murray was a first round pick

[Spurs9]

Nice drive :wow

[sasaint]

Now that was a drive by Murray! Covered some space quickly!

[look_at_g_shred]

Fuck that was a quick drive!

[Mnky]

Anderson and Simmons are blocking Murray on the point. :lol

Kid seems like the best slasher already.

[Mugen]

Damn Dejounte

[raybies]

Murray needs lots of minutes. He needs the D league and I mean that in the best way. He's got alot of potential. He's the kind of player we've always wanted. He's just so raw right now. Interesting to see how he grows just over the course of the summer.

[Dex]

If SloMo can bring 75% percent of what he brings against DLeague competition...he will be a perfectly serviceable backup.

[tonight...you]

http://euroleagueadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/lorbek.jpg
When did my CPA start playing hoops? Holy...

[Kurik]

Murray looked pretty fast on that drive! Wow!

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray will get tons of those opportunities either with the ball or off ball with Manu and Mills spacing the floor

[myhc]

Murray can finish!

[Dex]

Nice finish by Murray! Kid's got game.

[ace3g]

Murray gives us the lead!!!

[HI-FI]

Glad I tuned in for Murrays debut.

[TheGoldStandard]

Murray much more in control now.. found the speed of the game.

[8FOR!3]

Murray putting on a show. He's a baller. Any chance Bryn Forbes makes the team?

[tonight...you]

Murray needs lots of minutes. He needs the D league and I mean that in the best way. He's got alot of potential. He's the kind of player we've always wanted. He's just so raw right now. Interesting to see how he grows just over the course of the summer.
Absolutely. He's a guys that needs to learn from his fuckups.
He needs to be on the court, whether that's in SA, or Austin. He needs minutes and lots of them with constant coaching.
Constant coaching. This team needs him and that's what it's going to take to get him to the point where he can give what they need.

[TheGoldStandard]

Now I imagine if he can use that quick first step to get into the lane and draw defenders he can get guys open looks..

[r0drig0lac]

this rookie can play

[look_at_g_shred]

Murray can finish!
They pegged that as one of his weaknesses coming out of college. Could've fooled me.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dejounte looking a lot better than some lottery picks in his class :wow

Even better than Winslow's overrated ass who shot 3/17 today

[Mugen]

Trade TP asap tbh

[Cloud786]

Any chance Pop throws Murray into the fire ala TP in 2001 and starts him?

[south side spur]

Murray looks like he is on the typical teenager diet. Hot chips and sodas. Pop tarts for breakfast.

[Emperor]

Bye bye Parker.

[DPG21920]

They pegged that as one of his weaknesses coming out of college. Could've fooled me.

Well, it's one half in the Summer League :lol. Not as easy finishing against Drummond or Whiteside or Jordan. Just have to pump the brakes a little but it is exciting to watch him.

[sasaint]

Murray putting on a show. He's a baller. Any chance Bryn Forbes makes the team?

He could. He has shown a sweet stroke. He could force his way on if he keeps stroking it and shows a little on defense.

[TheGoldStandard]

They pegged that as one of his weaknesses coming out of college. Could've fooled me.

Maybe its just consistency? but he looks sharp getting to the hoop.. As for his shot.. I think he's a 2 motion shooter which might be his biggest issue.

[tonight...you]

They pegged that as one of his weaknesses coming out of college. Could've fooled me.
Looked cool as ice, didn't he? This guy has IT. He just needs minutes and polish.
He'll be better than DBust if he takes to Pop and his staff seriously.

[Kurik]

Wasn't perfect from Murray but it's his first game and we are already seeing some good things, he's definitely not shy about attacking.

[SPURt]

When did my CPA start playing hoops? Holy...
Haha! He looks like a middle aged man going through a mid life crisis

[look_at_g_shred]

Well, it's one half in the Summer League :lol. Not as easy finishing against Drummond or Whiteside or Jordan. Just have to pump the brakes a little but it is exciting to watch him.
Sure. He does have a knack to get to the rim tho.

[NASpurs]

Trade TP asap tbh

[raybies]

Murray much more in control now.. found the speed of the game.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Understandable that he would try to do much at first; he's young and he hasn't played in awhile. But he's settling down

[Russ]

Damn Murray with the nice crossover and drive. Dude is always looking to attack.

Pop and Murray are gonna get along so well . . .

:lol:lol:lol:lol

[tonight...you]

Haha! He looks like a middle aged man going through a mid life crisis
Lol! Old boy driving a Miata with dual muffs...

Haysoos! I'm laughing my ass off picturing it!

[slick'81]

Trade TP asap tbh


Great thought

[kxs783kms]

Kyle defense is just horrible. Going for pump fakes. Letting guys drive by him. Even though he has the length and wingspan, I just don't know if his defense can be fixed because of his foot speed.

[tonight...you]

Wasn't perfect from Murray but it's his first game and we are already seeing some good things, he's definitely not shy about attacking.
Loving his look. Fo sho.