Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

[BatManu20]

Free agency officially begins next week and there’s already lots of rumors swirling around so figured I’d get the thread rollin’.

Key dates:

June 23rd: NBA Draft
June 29th: Last day for Player Options/Qualifying Offers
June 30th: Free Agency begins (6:00pm EST)


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[BatManu20]

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Likely just opting out for a bigger bag. Then once he inevitably gets tired of losing after a year or two he can demand a trade.

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[slick'81]

Anything HAS to be better then the last spurs free agency :lobt2:

[BatManu20]

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[John B]

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Wow can they afford that and resign Wiggins as well? The bank is going to bust once they start losing and going on a long downward spiral with all their bad contracts.

[Mr. Body]

Every era has much talked-about players who had no impact on their era whatsoever. Bradley Beale is that guy -- utterly no impact on the direction the league went, never mattered in the playoffs, never did much of anything of note.

[scott]

I don’t think we’ve discussed Bridges as a RFA target enough. I’m sure both he and CHA want to continue that relationship, but apparently they need to move Hayward first. Maybe we can help make it difficult.

[SAGirl]

Anything HAS to be better then the last spurs free agency :lobt2:
RC Bufford and Wright:
"Hold my beer"



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Actually I have no idea but I am already laughing at all the sarcastic joke.potential available.

[SAGirl]

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That warriors lux tax bill
:lobt2:

They will probably move on a few contracts though right?

[Chinook]

Poole's not even a free agent. Unless they Warriors pull a Jokic and decline his option to reup him, he's not going to be commanding anything. They can't even extend him for that amount. Just shit flying on whichever wall you can find.

[SAGirl]

Poole's not even a free agent. Unless they Warriors pull a Jokic and decline his option to reup him, he's not going to be commanding anything. They can't even extend him for that amount. Just shit flying on whichever wall you can find.
:lol
thanks for setting things right Chinook.
:toast
Though that Jokic option you mention, can you elaborate a little?

[KingKev]

Wow can they afford that and resign Wiggins as well? The bank is going to bust once they start losing and going on a long downward spiral with all their bad contracts.

They have no limit in retaining their own players no matter how punitive the lux tax is. They are free to max both as they see fit. Wiggins and Poole are going to have major roles along with Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman next year while they keep Klay, Steph and Dray healthy and rested for another title run. This squad is going to be competing for another 3-5yrs.

Looney and GP2 are likely gone.

Iggy and Otto Porter Jr probs get offered vet mins.

They are also rumoured to be looking to move their 2022 FRP for some small cap releif but mainly because they have a solid pipeline of youth already.

[KingKev]

Poole's not even a free agent. Unless they Warriors pull a Jokic and decline his option to reup him, he's not going to be commanding anything. They can't even extend him for that amount. Just shit flying on whichever wall you can find.

Huh? He is extension eligible this offseason just like KJ is.

[SAGirl]

They have no limit in retaining their own players no matter how punitive the lux tax is. They are free to max both as they see fit. Wiggins and Poole are going to have major roles along with Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman next year while they keep Klay, Steph and Dray healthy and rested for another title run. This squad is going to be competing for another 3-5yrs.

Looney and GP2 are likely gone.

Iggy and Otto Porter Jr probs get offered vet mins.

They are also rumoured to be looking to move their 2022 FRP for some small cap releif but mainly because they have a solid pipeline of youth already.
What about their bust? ..... er... I mean Center they drafted a couple of years ago?

[rjv]

They have no limit in retaining their own players no matter how punitive the lux tax is. They are free to max both as they see fit. Wiggins and Poole are going to have major roles along with Kuminga, Moody and Wiseman next year while they keep Klay, Steph and Dray healthy and rested for another title run. This squad is going to be competing for another 3-5yrs.

Looney and GP2 are likely gone.

Iggy and Otto Porter Jr probs get offered vet mins.

They are also rumoured to be looking to move their 2022 FRP for some small cap releif but mainly because they have a solid pipeline of youth already.

still not sure on whether or not wiseman pans out. this year is make or break for him.

[KingKev]

What about their bust? ..... er... I mean Center they drafted a couple of years ago?

He isn’t a bust yet. He’s been injured. In limited action he looked serviceable with upside. Could easily replace Looney in the lineup if healthy.

[SAGirl]

He isn’t a bust yet. He’s been injured. In limited action he looked serviceable with upside. Could easily replace Looney in the lineup if healthy.
We'll see... still a candidate to bust to me. Getting paid a heavy price for not doing much of anything. But yea, they really ought to see what they have there, before shipping him out somewhere if it comes to that.

I could see where he turns into a Zach Collins, where they shed him if the guy just can't stay healthy.

[BatManu20]

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[SAGirl]

37 years old... still has suitors. Carmelo doesnt... pay attention to defense Lonnie types.

[Chinook]

Huh? He is extension eligible this offseason just like KJ is.

I keep thinking he was a high-second like McCaw was. Yeah, they can extend him for that, but they have no incentive to do so.

[Chinook]

:lol
thanks for setting things right Chinook.
:toast
Though that Jokic option you mention, can you elaborate a little?

As KK pointed out, Poole is on a rookie-scale deal and can sign an extension that would give him that much. I was under the impression that he was a high-second signed to a four-year deal with an option ala Jokic. The Nuggets had a choice back in the day of getting Jokic for a fourth cheap year then risk him being a UFA or opt out of the deal a year early to keep his RFA rights. They chose to do that and gave him a five-year max so they didn't have to risk him leaving for nothing. Obviously it was a good decision. I thought that GS would be in a similar position but choose to keep that final year, since Poole wouldn't have the leverage to force the Warriors into the tax early. If they kept him, they would not be able to give him that much, again assuming he wasn't on a rookie-scale extension. He is, so the point I was making is moot.

[BatManu20]

KD to the Spurs. Make it happen Brian.


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[SAGirl]

KD to the Spurs. Make it happen Brian.


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I have seen chatter about him to the Grizzlies, scattered all through the playoffs after they were eliminated and honestly had no idea what they were on about. Now it makes sense. I haven't followed the drama down in Brooklyn.

FA is basically upon us, trades are appearing that were not available midseason, hopefully the Spurs get on this.

[BatManu20]

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[KingKev]

I keep thinking he was a high-second like McCaw was. Yeah, they can extend him for that, but they have no incentive to do so.

Disagree. This isn’t Phoenix or another nickel and dime organization. Poole was a major part of the Warriors offense this year and I’d say 4yrs 80-100mm is fair value for him. Even with his 2023 RFA status considered, there is little reason to wait it out. If it ain’t broke don’t break it. I bet they split the difference and he gets 4yrs 90mm this offseason

[KingKev]

Grizz and Blazers would be prime suitors if KD is in play.

Toronto could also put together an intriguing package.

[exstatic]

Disagree. This isn’t Phoenix or another nickel and dime organization. Poole was a major part of the Warriors offense this year and I’d say 4yrs 80-100mm is fair value for him. Even with his 2023 RFA status considered, there is little reason to wait it out. If it ain’t broke don’t break it. I bet they split the difference and he gets 4yrs 90mm this offseason

Players don’t have a worth in a vacuum. Everything has to do with circumstances. GS’s tax bill was higher than their actual payroll. Considering that they only get taxed on the portion above the tax line, that’s pretty awful. Poole is probably overrated like many GS players over the last 10 years, because he plays with Steph and Klay, and therefore draws minimal attention.

[KingKev]

Players don’t have a worth in a vacuum. Everything has to do with circumstances. GS’s tax bill was higher than their actual payroll. Considering that they only get taxed on the portion above the tax line, that’s pretty awful. Poole is probably overrated like many GS players over the last 10 years, because he plays with Steph and Klay, and therefore draws minimal attention.

Warriors ownership has already committed to a projected tax bill of 400mm or so to keep this squad intact. The Warriors are building a team that can last for 3-5 more years. Poole and Wiggins will be integral parts of that.

I understand that playing with great players makes it easier but this is an over exaggeration. For someone who pounds the table about Primo making a couple of step back threes I’d think you’d have appreciation for Poole’s game as he does that nightly. Also he barely played with Klay this year, instead stepped up big time in Klay’s absence. Warriors games are probably televised past your bed time though gramps so you are forgiven.

[Seventyniner]

Warriors ownership has already committed to a projected tax bill of 400mm or so to keep this squad intact. The Warriors are building a team that can last for 3-5 more years. Poole and Wiggins will be integral parts of that.

I understand that playing with great players makes it easier but this is an over exaggeration. For someone who pounds the table about Primo making a couple of step back threes I’d think you’d have appreciation for Poole’s game as he does that nightly. Also he barely played with Klay this year, instead stepped up big time in Klay’s absence. Warriors games are probably televised past your bed time though gramps so you are forgiven.

Isn't the tax bill something absurd like $400M per year due to the repeater penalty? The Dubs ownership has deep pockets, but will they really spend close to $2B in salary and taxes over the next few years to keep the team together? If they do, I don't think the other owners will mind at all. They will all just race to get under the tax line.

[jjspur]

Isn't the tax bill something absurd like $400M per year due to the repeater penalty? The Dubs ownership has deep pockets, but will they really spend close to $2B in salary and taxes over the next few years to keep the team together? If they do, I don't think the other owners will mind at all. They will all just race to get under the tax line.

I'm beginning to think this tax payer part of the collective bargaining agreement isn't working out like NBA owners thought it would be. The really wealthy owners don't give a crap about it since they have more money than some countries. The average owners go over the tax then they go under it, and the not so wealthy owners (like the spurs) try to avoid it. The rich get richer because they can sign their own and outbid the owners who can't or won't sign their own players. I don't think this system will last much longer in its current form. Probably the next CBA.

[KingKev]

Isn't the tax bill something absurd like $400M per year due to the repeater penalty? The Dubs ownership has deep pockets, but will they really spend close to $2B in salary and taxes over the next few years to keep the team together? If they do, I don't think the other owners will mind at all. They will all just race to get under the tax line.

They are at 260mm all in with Curry, Klay, Dray, Poole, Wiggins, Moody and Wiseman and their 2022 FRP locked in for next yearS. GP2, Looney and Porter are probably gone as their market value plus lix tax will cost 75-100mm. They are all easily replaceable with minimum contract ring chasers and growing roles for the youth above.


Wiggins extension will be similar to his current rate or less. The Warriors can easily fill this roster out for the foreseeable future for under 300-350 total these next few years. Big bucks but with perennial contention for another 3-5yrs they will do it.

Draymond isn’t getting much come free agency in 2024.

[exstatic]

Isn't the tax bill something absurd like $400M per year due to the repeater penalty? The Dubs ownership has deep pockets, but will they really spend close to $2B in salary and taxes over the next few years to keep the team together? If they do, I don't think the other owners will mind at all. They will all just race to get under the tax line.

They could buy a whole other team for that...

[exstatic]

I'm beginning to think this tax payer part of the collective bargaining agreement isn't working out like NBA owners thought it would be. The really wealthy owners don't give a crap about it since they have more money than some countries. The average owners go over the tax then they go under it, and the not so wealthy owners (like the spurs) try to avoid it. The rich get richer because they can sign their own and outbid the owners who can't or won't sign their own players. I don't think this system will last much longer in its current form. Probably the next CBA.

That tax money doesn't get flushed down the toilet, it gets distributed to the non tax payers. I think the "poor" teams could put up with splitting GS's tax money amongst them.

[cd98]

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Guess they are banking on the fact that he will never drive the bus.

[ducks]

Until people complete stop watching because gs buys titles
Fuck gs and their politically trash team

[Robz4000]

Jerami Grant to Portland

[poopbox]

Don't overpay Lonnie

Trade Poeltl before the deadline cause him at 9 million is bearable him at anything over that is nauseating and I was once a Poeltl stan...I remember arguing with timvp about how i would pay 12 or 13 million dollars a year for Poeltl 2 years ago :lol

don't be a pussy when it comes to Ayton or Collins or any other above average but not quite a star even though you pay him like one player...virtually everyone overpays for guys like that and the spurs aren't anything special...if you got to eat a bad a contract or give up a pick now is the time to do it...otherwise why did we collect all the picks anyway? Are we REALLY going to draft 3 guys in the 1st round this year? We still got future chicago and boston 1st round picks

[TD 21]

That's it for Grant? Wow.

[Leetonidas]

Until people complete stop watching because gs buys titles
Fuck gs and their politically trash team

Lol asshurt

[Leetonidas]

That's it for Grant? Wow.

Not surprising at all tbh. Grant is not an impact player and he is due for a new contract. Blazers are desperate to appease Lillard so it makes sense

[mo7888]

That's it for Grant? Wow.

What does that portend for John Collins value? Not that I'm a huge fan but it's gotta lower it right?

[TD 21]

Not surprising at all tbh. Grant is not an impact player and he is due for a new contract. Blazers are desperate to appease Lillard so it makes sense

Still. The reason 7 was long speculated is because of the demand/scarcity of 3 and D big wings (and he provides secondary shot creation).


What does that portend for John Collins value? Not that I'm a huge fan but it's gotta lower it right?

Not sure, but probably?

[KingKev]

Need to realize Portland is absorbing Grant’s final year into cap space. Re-signing Nurk and Simmons wil leave them with just the MLE.

So their retool is Grant, Sharpe and a PJ Tucker/Otto Porter type player. Hardly a successful retool.

Detroit gets an FRP for a player they have no interest in resigning, without taking back anything. Sounds like a win.

[John B]

Breaking: The Detroit Pistons have traded Jerami Grant to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell Adrian Wojnarowski.

[SAGirl]

The rumors that Portland is drafting Sharpe must be true. They just traded for Jerami Grant, but didn't give away the 7th in this draft class. They traded a 1st in 2025.

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[TD 21]

Need to realize Portland is absorbing Grant’s final year into cap space. Re-signing Nurk and Simmons wil leave them with just the MLE.

So their retool is Grant, Sharpe and a PJ Tucker/Otto Porter type player. Hardly a successful retool.

Detroit gets an FRP for a player they have no interest in resigning, without taking back anything. Sounds like a win.

I get it, but getting a pick that won't convey for 3 years and stands a good chance of being a late 1st for the second most desirable current archetype, is not a win.

[SAGirl]

That's it for Grant? Wow.
Expect similar for Jakob. Both guys on the last year of their deal. Both good players, but not stars. Can't overpay for them. Also, both due to get paid/be on market-expensive deals. Not a bargain.

Spurs should open their eyes and pounce if they get a first. I cringe to think they failed to take a trade midseason bc they were expecting another White like deal for Jakob.

[mo7888]

Expect similar for Jakob. Both guys on the last year of their deal. Both good players, but not stars. Can't overpay for them. Also, both due to get paid/be on market-expensive deals. Not a bargain.

Spurs should open their eyes and pounce if they get a first. I cringe to think they failed to take a trade midseason bc they were expecting another White like deal for Jakob.

Read what timvp just reported on the price for Jak...

[SAGirl]

I get it, but getting a pick that won't convey for 3 years and stands a good chance of being a late 1st for the second most desirable current archetype, is not a win.

It makes me think why the Spurs were unable to beat this deal, and it must be that Grant would not have made the same commitment to re-sign with the Spurs that he made to the Blazers I suppose. That must have factored into the trade in a way.

[SAGirl]

Read what timvp just reported on the price for Jak...
Frankly they are asking too much for Jakob, but I think that is starting spot for negotiation. His price will go down and he will continue to be rumored on trades midseason. We shall see what happens. No way is an expiring Jakob worth 2 firsts and a rotation player.

[Leetonidas]

Or perhaps the Spurs were just not interested in Grant

[SAGirl]

Or perhaps the Spurs were just not interested in Grant
I considered this... If they weren't interested I think that would address a lot of fans that are complaining that the Spurs don't make a move for a PF. I think they could have beaten Portland if they really wanted to... but it wouldn't be worth it at all if Grant would not re-sign with them.

[tonight...you]

That tax money doesn't get flushed down the toilet, it gets distributed to the non tax payers. I think the "poor" teams could put up with splitting GS's tax money amongst them.
True, but it does sort of make the NBA a pay-to-win league.

[RC_Drunkford]

WTF Grant for a 2025 draft pick in the low 20s? :lol I'm surprised other teams didn't offer more tbh. Grant would fit, but doesn't fit the timeline and is on an expiring so I'm cool with them passing on him. But if John Collins can be had for a bag of chips too, they better be on the phone

[mo7888]

WTF Grant for a 2025 draft pick in the low 20s? :lol I'm surprised other teams didn't offer more tbh. Grant would fit, but doesn't fit the timeline and is on an expiring so I'm cool with them passing on him. But if John Collins can be had for a bag of chips too, they better be on the phone

Yup.... trade 25 and 38 for separate future firsts... trade the Chicago 1st we have to Atl for JC....trade 9 + KJ to Sac for Ivey.... that's an interesting team with future draft capital...

[KingKev]

Yup.... trade 25 and 38 for separate future firsts... trade the Chicago 1st we have to Atl for JC....trade 9 + KJ to Sac for Ivey.... that's an interesting team with future draft capital...

None of this is feasible man.

[mo7888]

None of this is feasible man.

The only part that probably isn't feasible is the JC's part...and that was just a juxtaposition of value based on the Grant trade value..

[the golden era]

It seems like Poodle is party of their long term plans and were only interested in godfather deals. I like it honestly.

[DPG21920]

It seems like Poodle is party of their long term plans and were only interested in godfather deals. I like it honestly.

I like it if they have plans to push for playoffs and trade/use cap space to really move team forward. If not? Perplexing tbh..

[Ariel]

WTF Grant for a 2025 draft pick in the low 20s? :lol I'm surprised other teams didn't offer more tbh. Grant would fit, but doesn't fit the timeline and is on an expiring so I'm cool with them passing on him. But if John Collins can be had for a bag of chips too, they better be on the phone
Yes, in terms of assets, it's a low offer. But I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the salary required to keep him beyond this season... he's making 21M this year, and he'll be looking to make the most out of his last opportunity to cash big. I'm thinking around 25M per year, for 4 years... that's not something every team can and is willing to dish out, and significantly reduces the pool of options and what they're willing to pay for him.

[exstatic]

Basic negotiations 101: you don’t start the negotiations at your desired return. You ask for more, and let them negotiate you down to what you wanted in the first place.

[slick'81]

Basic negotiations 101: you don’t start the negotiations at your desired return. You ask for more, and let them negotiate you down to what you wanted in the first place.

you son of a bitch,im in

[MultiTroll]

Patty Mills weighing his options?

[tbdog]

Murray rumour

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267494/Spurs-Open-To-Trading-Dejounte-Murray-For-Jrue-Holiday-Like-Asking-Price

[T Park]

The news coming out of Atlanta desperate to trade Collins before the draft doesnt help them.

[Robz4000]

Zero chance the Spurs trade Murray for Collins. You trade for Collins to pair with Murray. The #9 + Keldon for #4 I'd consider if you knew who was gonna be left at 4.

[T Park]

Zero chance the Spurs trade Murray for Collins. You trade for Collins to pair with Murray. The #9 + Keldon for #4 I'd consider if you knew who was gonna be left at 4.


You’re trading Murray not for Collins but the picks. Collins is flipped elsewhere

[Robz4000]

You’re trading Murray not for Collins but the picks. Collins is flipped elsewhere

Even more reason not to do it tbh.

[LkrFan]

Zero chance the Spurs trade Murray for Collins. You trade for Collins to pair with Murray. The #9 + Keldon for #4 I'd consider if you knew who was gonna be left at 4.

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[KingKev]

Murray isn’t going anywhere without a massive haul in return. That is all that rumour substantiates.

[jjspur]

That tax money doesn't get flushed down the toilet, it gets distributed to the non tax payers. I think the "poor" teams could put up with splitting GS's tax money amongst them.

Unfortunately the rebate money from all the tax paying teams won't buy what the glitz of LA, NY, Chicago, or Miami does.

[BatManu20]

Lol. KD and Kyrie on the move again it looks like.


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[BillMc]

Lol. KD and Kyrie on the move again it looks like.


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KD should join the Warriors.

[BatManu20]

KD should join the Warriors.

Haha Billy Mac! What’s up brother? Haven’t seen ya around in a while

[Leetonidas]

Davis/Westbrook/2027 1st for Irving/Durant. Who says no?

[mo7888]

Davis/Westbrook/2027 1st for Irving/Durant. Who says no?

Maybe...Westbrook, THT, AD and all the firsts LA can legally surrender for kyrie and KD?

[BillMc]

Haha Billy Mac! What’s up brother? Haven’t seen ya around in a while

Yep, been busy with life and relocating after the Russian invasion. But I'm back for the draft, my friend. GSG!

[tonight...you]

Davis/Westbrook/2027 1st for Irving/Durant. Who says no?
I was going to say Brooklyn, but...
Damn.
No.
Brooklyn loses and loses big.

[BatManu20]

Yep, been busy with life and relocating after the Russian invasion. But I'm back for the draft, my friend. GSG!

Glad you’re safe and sound bud. Welcome back, even if it’s just for the night.

[scott]

After this draft, I'd say FA Guards are way off the table.

Who are potential FA targets with size? Lonnie definitely gone now means we go into FA with a lot of cash, but not many roster spots. Hopefully we can move McBuckets. Don't know what Langford's status is, and it seems JRich is worth keeping at least to the deadline.

Mo Bamba?
Jalen Smith?
Miles Bridges?
Mitchell Robinson?
Thomas Bryant?

[CGD]

After this draft, I think we’re closer to tear down mode than building around Murray mode tbh.

Preparing myself for FA focused on renting capspace out this summer, as opposed to adding a Ayton, Bridges, Collins or OG.

[mo7888]

After this draft, I think we’re closer to tear down mode than building around Murray mode tbh.

Preparing myself for FA focused on renting capspace out this summer, as opposed to adding a Ayton, Bridges, Collins or OG.

It feels like that doesn't it...if we go that route I expect us to trade DJ and Poeltl and accumulate picks and for Pop to hang it up..

[Gibbz]

Preparing myself for FA focused on renting capspace out this summer, as opposed to adding a Ayton, Bridges, Collins or OG.

I'm thinking the same. Though I'd be happy either way, as on one hand I'm not sure any of those players are worth the money they'll demand, but on the other at least it's a somewhat exciting move.

[SAGirl]

Spurs need to add a veteran costar for Murray at this point if they want to keep him and build around him. That is the bottom line.

[SAGirl]

After this draft, I'd say FA Guards are way off the table.

Who are potential FA targets with size? Lonnie definitely gone now means we go into FA with a lot of cash, but not many roster spots. Hopefully we can move McBuckets. Don't know what Langford's status is, and it seems JRich is worth keeping at least to the deadline.

Mo Bamba?
Jalen Smith?
Miles Bridges?
Mitchell Robinson?
Thomas Bryant?
Go hard after Ayton. He's my primary target.

[Ditty]

Go all in on Ayton.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1540192504666112001

[dbestpro]

Go hard after Ayton. He's my primary target.

Totally agree. Detroit was the primary competition and they got Duren, so it is time for the Spurs to step up to the plate. I suspect a sign and trade of some sorts could happen with Poetl going to the Suns. That would be enough to keep the Suns happy.

[T Park]

Richardson McDermott and even Tre Jones should all be shopped right now. KBD Cacock Lonnie, all out there door, adios. Even Landale IMO.

[Robz4000]

I'd keep KBD tbh, still think he's a useful piece for this roster. Boot Wieskamp instead.

[slick'81]

Lets see what spurs can get for j-rich

[mystargtr34]

I don't mind McDermott on the team now, if the Spurs decide to keep Murray and stay in win mode.

You can never have enough shooting especially if Sochan takes a while to come good in that area. McDermott as a backup 3/4 playing against opposition benches is a good piece to have. Its when you try and play him against starters like the Spurs did last season where he looks overmatched, because he is. You also need defense and rebounding around Doug (Sochan).

J-Rich I think you need to trade asap and hopefully the Spurs can get a 1st for him from a playoff team.

[mystargtr34]

Doug can also become valuable in the starting lineup next to Jak-Sochan-Vassell-Murray.

That's 4 + defenders and rebounders on the floor next to Doug. His shooting would provide great spacing for that lineup.

[99 Problems]

Ayton next.

[Degoat]

Pretty happy that the spurs got Dominick Barlowe on a 2 way! I honestly had him over Josh minott

[Cardinal]

If Durant truly becomes available, could the Spurs put together a competitive trade package? Would you even want them to? Would you move Murray, Johnson, future picks, and salary filler?

[dokdok]

So I'm guessing that with the amount of cap space we got we HAVE to be aggressive and just splashing out as much as possible. Is Ayton the only way?

[CGD]

Time to call the Knicks and help them clear the capspace they covet for Irving or Brunson. They did just get those 3 OKC picks.

[szkorhetz]

If Durant truly becomes available, could the Spurs put together a competitive trade package? Would you even want them to? Would you move Murray, Johnson, future picks, and salary filler?
Hell no.

You want to trade your two best players for an arguably better, but much older player just to play with your rooks and G-league fodders?
Jeez.

[Cardinal]

Hell no.

You want to trade your two best players for an arguably better, but much older player just to play with your rooks and G-league fodders?
Jeez.

I agree. I wouldn’t do that trade either. Obviously it depends on the exact trade package (the Spurs can’t give up their entire future), but in general if the Spurs can trade for Durant while keeping Murray then I absolutely think they should. This would immediately vault them back into contention, and that’s the whole point of this process.

[Chinook]

So Durant is definitely better, but you don't move Murray in the pursuit of Durant. You keep Murray, snag a max guy in free agency and then go all in on Durant. Obviously you keep who you can. But that has to be the structure of an off-season that involves a Durant trade.

Anyway, if I'm Pop, I wait for the Grizzlies to release Green and then offer to let him rehab in SA and be a part-time coach for a while. I don't think Danny's future is in coaching, though stranger things, but I do think he can impart a fair bit of wisdom on the young guys. I think only Murray played on the team with Green at this point. All of the prospects know how to dribble, so we don't have to worry about Danny teaching them that. But they could all use some improvement with either defense or shooting. Having another guy with multiple rings in the building who craved out a role-player career doing those things might be a good counter-balance to the team's normal track of pushing young players to develop "star" skills immediately over role-player skills.

[JPB]

I agree. I wouldn’t do that trade either. Obviously it depends on the exact trade package (the Spurs can’t give up their entire future), but in general if the Spurs can trade for Durant while keeping Murray then I absolutely think they should. This would immediately vault them back into contention, and that’s the whole point of this process.

Not that I would do this trade for the reasons beforementioned but Ido'nt think you can get Durant without losing Murray. He's spurs only real asset for a big trade.

[Ariel]

I love this draft for us as much as anyone, but let's not go overboard, these are 3 kids that just turned 19 and need some developing. Going all in for a Durant caliber star will likely mean other trades for established players that both cost us assets and block the development of our promising youth, and we can't have it both ways. We need to accept the process we're in and keep building on it, if we stay on course and flip Richardson and Poeltl for young long term assets, play this young core we just assembled and continue to look for opportunities to bolster our talent level (especially in the front court), this season our record may be worse, but we'll have another shot at a generational talent and it would be the final year of non-competitiveness. I think that route makes much more sense for us given the state of things. Rushing it sounds tempting, but will prove very costly in the medium to long term.

[Mugen]

So Durant is definitely better, but you don't move Murray in the pursuit of Durant. You keep Murray, snag a max guy in free agency and then go all in on Durant. Obviously you keep who you can. But that has to be the structure of an off-season that involves a Durant trade.

Anyway, if I'm Pop, I wait for the Grizzlies to release Green and then offer to let him rehab in SA and be a part-time coach for a while. I don't think Danny's future is in coaching, though stranger things, but I do think he can impart a fair bit of wisdom on the young guys. I think only Murray played on the team with Green at this point. All of the prospects know how to dribble, so we don't have to worry about Danny teaching them that. But they could all use some improvement with either defense or shooting. Having another guy with multiple rings in the building who craved out a role-player career doing those things might be a good counter-balance to the team's normal track of pushing young players to develop "star" skills immediately over role-player skills.

I like this tbh. Danny is definitely a good vet to have around the young guys.

[mo7888]

I still feel like we are getting closer to making a decision on a direction. We should either build with DJ or trade him and Jak for draft assets knowing we'll have a high pick in next years draft. If we build I still think Collins fits here and should come cheap. Since Atl publicly proclaimed they were trading him last night and didn't might erode his value even further. Richardson (or a future 1st that Richardson might bring) + a future second might do it... I'm not sure if I prefer to build or trade out on DJ because I think he's at about his peak and his timeline is different that the guys we just brought in... I just hope the direction becomes clear when FA starts..

[Ocotillo]

Last night may have lowered the odds of moving Jak. The teams that were said to have an interest (Charlotte, Toronto) picked up centers they may want to see how they fit. On the other hand, they may want Jak for a year while the rookies get their legs under them.

[mo7888]

Last night may have lowered the odds of moving Jak. The teams that were said to have an interest (Charlotte, Toronto) picked up centers they may want to see how they fit. On the other hand, they may want Jak for a year while the rookies get their legs under them.

I don't think a 2nd rd pick by toronto addresses their need for a starting C next season at all... Charlotte is probably out but Toronto is still an option...they'll probably be more options in FA too..

[poopbox]

I still feel like we are getting closer to making a decision on a direction. We should either build with DJ or trade him and Jak for draft assets knowing we'll have a high pick in next years draft. If we build I still think Collins fits here and should come cheap. Since Atl publicly proclaimed they were trading him last night and didn't might erode his value even further. Richardson (or a future 1st that Richardson might bring) + a future second might do it... I'm not sure if I prefer to build or trade out on DJ because I think he's at about his peak and his timeline is different that the guys we just brought in... I just hope the direction becomes clear when FA starts..

I think what we do with Poeltl will determine if we are really going to tear it down, or if we are trying to build something around Dejounte. I do not think we pay him what the market might demand next off season and I don't think Poeltl signs any type of extension without testing free agency. Trying to upgrade from him or trading him for nothing but picks would be a clear sign of where the front office thinks this team is going. Or maybe they already said that turning down the number 4 pick for 9 and Keldon and making the price for Dejounte so high it can damn earn only be paid by two teams that don't want Dejounte.

[mo7888]

I think what we do with Poeltl will determine if we are really going to tear it down, or if we are trying to build something around Dejounte. I do not think we pay him what the market might demand next off season and I don't think Poeltl signs any type of extension without testing free agency. Trying to upgrade from him or trading him for nothing but picks would be a clear sign of where the front office thinks this team is going. Or maybe they already said that turning down the number 4 pick for 9 and Keldon and making the price for Dejounte so high it can damn earn only be paid by two teams that don't want Dejounte.

I agree that a Poeltl decision will give us a pretty clear indication. . . I'm really hoping for some clarity in about a week or so..

[duncan2150]

With all the draft and relative cap space in the books. It's pretty safe to say that the spurs will bid on a big this summer.

Overall i think it's a good idea because there are several bigs in this FA : Ayton, Bamba, J Smith, even Hartenstein ..........

[lmbebo]

I'm not in for KD. Not like we are 1 player away from taking the next step. And moving onto KD derails a lot of what we've done the past 2 years. Besides having to shift to building around a 32? year old player post-achilles repair and putting vets around him. Sending out all of our youth. It could derail us even longer for 1-2 seasons of post season play?

Plus, doubt he'd want to come here anyways.

[John B]

I was thinking they could’ve gotten Duren. Pistons only paid 2025 1st (from Portland), 9 mil for Kemba, and a 10-pick swap at last night 2nd round. Easily Spurs could’ve topped that. THEN it makes me thinking, Spurs are getting a bigger fish, either Ayton or Myles. It has to be.

[scott]

Durant makes no sense and we have no viable path to acquire him so not sure it is even worth discussing.

Ayton also makes little sense. A marginal upgrade at C at a the cost of a $25 M differential is just bad management. Drafting Duran or Williams would have made more sense than going after Ayton.

Yes Spurs have lots of cap space, but maybe their plan is to continue with some of these medium size moves and to extend our core.

With that said, I still think Bridges would be a good target to give us a nice 3/4 rotation with KJ and Sochan

[KingKev]

Kemba Walker laughing to the bank. Literally going to be getting paid by three teams once he signs for the vet min after he’s bought out by Detroit.

[CGD]

Saw this on twitter FWIW: “Knicks main focus is Jalen Brunson. Trade for Dejounte Murray secondary. #NBA”

[Mr. Body]

I was thinking they could’ve gotten Duren. Pistons only paid 2025 1st (from Portland), 9 mil for Kemba, and a 10-pick swap at last night 2nd round. Easily Spurs could’ve topped that. THEN it makes me thinking, Spurs are getting a bigger fish, either Ayton or Myles. It has to be.

Or Charlotte rushed into a trade before finding out what other teams might offer.

[Mr. Body]

Saw this on twitter FWIW: “Knicks main focus is Jalen Brunson. Trade for Dejounte Murray secondary. #NBA”

Yes, it seems fait accompli that they sign Brunson. Probably for too much. Knicks being Knicks and taking the Mavs' second best player in the POs.

[CGD]

Yes, it seems fait accompli that they sign Brunson. Probably for too much. Knicks being Knicks and taking the Mavs' second best player in the POs.

Maybe but it also sounds like the Mavs really want him though, especially since they have few other ways to improve the roster around Luka.

On the other hand, I think the Knicks would give up a lot to get Murray starting with those 3 picks they just got from OKC.

[DPG21920]

Richardson and Doug should be prioritized to be traded. Get any future firsts you can even if it means taking on a year of a bad deal etc.

Unless you can land Ayton/Lavine but outside of that clear the path for minutes and get as many picks as you can.

[John B]

Or Charlotte rushed into a trade before finding out what other teams might offer.

No sense crying on spilled milk. I love what Sochan’s defense can bring to practically everybody, help with point-of-attack, hide Keldon, help on Poeltl. Sochan is like a Gorilla tape fix-all-leaks defense. Add Duren shot blocking and on-man defense into that. Man. Sochan, Duren, either Malaki/Blake, Liddell

[Kurik]

No sense crying on spilled milk. I love what Sochan’s defense can bring to practically everybody, help with point-of-attack, hide Keldon, help on Poeltl. Sochan is like a Gorilla tape fix-all-leaks defense. Add Duren shot blocking and on-man defense into that. Man. Sochan, Duren, either Malaki/Blake, Liddell

You're still crying

[DPG21920]

Dream scenario is using Richardson and/or Doug in a S&T for Ayton type. Get value that way while keeping some space to add players too

[Mr. Body]

Maybe but it also sounds like the Mavs really want him though, especially since they have few other ways to improve the roster around Luka.

On the other hand, I think the Knicks would give up a lot to get Murray starting with those 3 picks they just got from OKC.

Apparently there are family members of Brunson working for the Knicks along with his godfather.

[CGD]

Apparently there are family members of Brunson working for the Knicks along with his godfather.

Oh wow, yeah that seem like a serious plan lol

[Degoat]

I doubt anything happens with Jakob but it would be nice to have a shooting big like Turner next to a guy like Sochan

[scott]

All those FRPs that NKY got are lotto protected right? If so, should have zero interest for the Spurs for DJ.

[John B]

You're still crying

:depressedI’ll get over it :lol

[Seventyniner]

It would take a hell of a pivot to trade for KD. That kind of win-now move would require getting a big fish in free agency and sacrificing many of the picks and young players the Spurs have. But then again, what's the point of having those assets if not to use them? Some of the young 'uns will pan out but not all.

[John B]

Dream scenario is using Richardson and/or Doug in a S&T for Ayton type. Get value that way while keeping some space to add players too

Doug/J-Rich/Poeltl could help Suns imo.

I know it’s a cliche but Poeltl is better on a contender

[poopbox]

Saw this on twitter FWIW: “Knicks main focus is Jalen Brunson. Trade for Dejounte Murray secondary. #NBA”

They don't have the lottery pics the spurs want to trade for Dejounte.

[poopbox]

I doubt anything happens with Jakob but it would be nice to have a shooting big like Turner next to a guy like Sochan

I think by value of getting Sochan you sort of have to do something with Poeltl cause Sochan and Poeltl together might actually create negative spacing for our guards until Sochan learns to shoot.:lol

[Leetonidas]

Yeah spurs should make a hard push for Ayton. I doubt lavine is going anywhere

[Robz4000]

So Durant is definitely better, but you don't move Murray in the pursuit of Durant. You keep Murray, snag a max guy in free agency and then go all in on Durant. Obviously you keep who you can. But that has to be the structure of an off-season that involves a Durant trade.

Anyway, if I'm Pop, I wait for the Grizzlies to release Green and then offer to let him rehab in SA and be a part-time coach for a while. I don't think Danny's future is in coaching, though stranger things, but I do think he can impart a fair bit of wisdom on the young guys. I think only Murray played on the team with Green at this point. All of the prospects know how to dribble, so we don't have to worry about Danny teaching them that. But they could all use some improvement with either defense or shooting. Having another guy with multiple rings in the building who craved out a role-player career doing those things might be a good counter-balance to the team's normal track of pushing young players to develop "star" skills immediately over role-player skills.

Was thinking the same tbh.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

I think by value of getting Sochan you sort of have to do something with Poeltl cause Sochan and Poeltl together might actually create negative spacing for our guards until Sochan learns to shoot.:lol

I thought this might be an issue as well. I like Sochan so I think PATFO need a change in philosophy somewhat. Sochan is essentially Dennis Rodman (same hair color too). Offensively, he can be placed wherever in a half court set (out of the way really). This changes the offensive mindset but Sochan, if used correctly on defense, is so viable.

Murray, Vassell, JK, Sochan and Poeltl look like a potent starting 5. First 2 players off the bench are McDermott (for Poeltl) and Primo for Vassell. Keep Sochan in but move him to C w/ Poeltl off the floor.

Spurs still need a real backup PG. Ayton is nice but unrealistic. Need to package JRich and some others for someone like Spencer Dinwiddie or just do a helluva job convderting one of the SGs (Primo isn't the answer for that IMHO)

[scott]

Still not understanding the rationale behind wanting Ayton. He's a marginal upgrade over Jak who will cost you +$25MM a year more. He doesn't shoot 3s and doesn't give you better floor spacing. Is he better than Jak? Sure, but he doesn't change the game or solve the problems that Jak's limitations create.

If you are looking to fundamentally change the makeup of our team, I think a center like Mo Bamba or Thomas Bryant would be a much better fit. I'd even rather have a 4.5 like Jalen Smith over Ayton. I do not see how Ayton dramatically improves our team. Seems like ST is obsessed with him simply because he's a "star" who is a big, which is a perceived need of ours. We need a star, but our star doesn't have to be a C. Give me a serviceable C on a good deal like Jak and leave the flexibility in finding a star elsewhere.

[Big Empty]

I still feel like we are getting closer to making a decision on a direction. We should either build with DJ or trade him and Jak for draft assets knowing we'll have a high pick in next years draft. If we build I still think Collins fits here and should come cheap. Since Atl publicly proclaimed they were trading him last night and didn't might erode his value even further. Richardson (or a future 1st that Richardson might bring) + a future second might do it... I'm not sure if I prefer to build or trade out on DJ because I think he's at about his peak and his timeline is different that the guys we just brought in... I just hope the direction becomes clear when FA starts.. i think the Spurs will see how the season goes. If there hasnt been any strides with player development, and we have the same record at the midpoint than we had last year i can see some trades being placed for draft picks. I can see the Spurs moving Purtle & Murray for the right package centered around picks. The Spurs would then play all the rookies for development and to go into tank mode for another lottery pick. Murray is a baller now but he wants to win now. By the time all of our 19 year old players start to come into their own, Murray will be approaching his 30s. It may benefit us and him to move him out for picks so we can continue our rebuild.

[BatManu20]

Durant ain’t comin’ to SA y’all.. :lol

[DPG21920]

Still not understanding the rationale behind wanting Ayton. He's a marginal upgrade over Jak who will cost you +$25MM a year more. He doesn't shoot 3s and doesn't give you better floor spacing. Is he better than Jak? Sure, but he doesn't change the game or solve the problems that Jak's limitations create.

If you are looking to fundamentally change the makeup of our team, I think a center like Mo Bamba or Thomas Bryant would be a much better fit. I'd even rather have a 4.5 like Jalen Smith over Ayton. I do not see how Ayton dramatically improves our team. Seems like ST is obsessed with him simply because he's a "star" who is a big, which is a perceived need of ours. We need a star, but our star doesn't have to be a C. Give me a serviceable C on a good deal like Jak and leave the flexibility in finding a star elsewhere.

He’s definitely better than Jak and has much larger offensive repertoire…beyond that it’s not like Sa is passing up on a star SF for him. Only so many chances to get a sub 25 year old star at any position. So you take the upgrades where you can because at worst he’s a significant asset in pursuit of another star. But he fits a positional need, his offense fits better with Sochan and his max is a very palatable one vs having to pay Supermax or what PHX would have to pay imo.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Still not understanding the rationale behind wanting Ayton. He's a marginal upgrade over Jak who will cost you +$25MM a year more. He doesn't shoot 3s and doesn't give you better floor spacing. Is he better than Jak? Sure, but he doesn't change the game or solve the problems that Jak's limitations create.

If you are looking to fundamentally change the makeup of our team, I think a center like Mo Bamba or Thomas Bryant would be a much better fit. I'd even rather have a 4.5 like Jalen Smith over Ayton. I do not see how Ayton dramatically improves our team. Seems like ST is obsessed with him simply because he's a "star" who is a big, which is a perceived need of ours. We need a star, but our star doesn't have to be a C. Give me a serviceable C on a good deal like Jak and leave the flexibility in finding a star elsewhere.
He's only 23, Jakob wasn't even close to the player Ayton was when he was 23. I think it's a great investment.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Unpopular opinion, I bet. But if Poeltl goes to the Suns, they are winning the c'ship. With shooters and playmakers around him and a game-plan that is based on a diverse number of P&R sets.. Poeltl will be a monster on the defensive end and a finisher/ facilitator on the offensive end. Plus with his salary, the Suns can also get another back-up (a shooter?/ a PG/ a combo guard?) to add to an already good team. Ayton is a better player than Poeltl, but I think Poeltl fits their squad better as he is a better defender and a more complementary player.

I think the Spurs are better off to stay pat vis-a-vis this year's FA class. They will do well to take in placeholders for draft picks like last year and roll the cap space for one more year. If Poeltl improves his shooting, he can be paid next season. The market for centers isn't hotting up anytime soon for Poeltl to command too big a salary like a max or anywhere close.

[Joseph Kony]

Unpopular opinion, I bet. But if Poeltl goes to the Suns, they are winning the c'ship. With shooters and playmakers around him and a game-plan that is based on a diverse number of P&R sets.. Poeltl will be a monster on the defensive end and a finisher/ facilitator on the offensive end. Plus with his salary, the Suns can also get another back-up (a shooter?/ a PG/ a combo guard?) to add to an already good team. Ayton is a better player than Poeltl, but I think Poeltl fits their squad better as he is a better defender and a more complementary player.

I think the Spurs are better off to stay pat vis-a-vis this year's FA class. They will do well to take in placeholders for draft picks like last year and roll the cap space for one more year. If Poeltl improves his shooting, he can be paid next season. The market for centers isn't hotting up anytime soon for Poeltl to command too big a salary like a max or anywhere close.

Lol no. They couldn't score for shit against Dallas when it mattered, Poeltl isn't doing anything at all to fix that. Booker and Paul are not 1st/2nd championship options. Poeltl is not the difference between a ring and getting embarrassed in the semifinals imo

[Robz4000]

Suns are done regardless. Paul is on the verge of falling off a cliff and Booker is overhyped. They have some nice roleplayers that they should prolly cash in on for picks tbh.

[duncan2150]

All those FRPs that NKY got are lotto protected right? If so, should have zero interest for the Spurs for DJ.

Yes lotto protected and more

[duncan2150]

He’s definitely better than Jak and has much larger offensive repertoire…beyond that it’s not like Sa is passing up on a star SF for him. Only so many chances to get a sub 25 year old star at any position. So you take the upgrades where you can because at worst he’s a significant asset in pursuit of another star. But he fits a positional need, his offense fits better with Sochan and his max is a very palatable one vs having to pay Supermax or what PHX would have to pay imo.

I undestand some people being cold on Ayton but i really think we didn't his best version already. And with the draft a big is the priority during the FA.


Unpopular opinion, I bet. But if Poeltl goes to the Suns, they are winning the c'ship. With shooters and playmakers around him and a game-plan that is based on a diverse number of P&R sets.. Poeltl will be a monster on the defensive end and a finisher/ facilitator on the offensive end. Plus with his salary, the Suns can also get another back-up (a shooter?/ a PG/ a combo guard?) to add to an already good team. Ayton is a better player than Poeltl, but I think Poeltl fits their squad better as he is a better defender and a more complementary player.

I think the Spurs are better off to stay pat vis-a-vis this year's FA class. They will do well to take in placeholders for draft picks like last year and roll the cap space for one more year. If Poeltl improves his shooting, he can be paid next season. The market for centers isn't hotting up anytime soon for Poeltl to command too big a salary like a max or anywhere close.

Imo you're not wrong but more with a Warriors type of team than the Suns. Like Joseph Kenny said the Suns may miss Ayton scoring more than Jak defense and while jak is a better rim protector, i'm not sure he's a better post defender than Ayton.

[DPG21920]

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[John B]

1540425655615119363

That was a great risk at Zollins who gave some solid minutes. I’m sure he’ll just get better. He needs to be more consistent outside, and co-exist with Landale at the 2nd unit.

[scott]

He’s definitely better than Jak and has much larger offensive repertoire…beyond that it’s not like Sa is passing up on a star SF for him. Only so many chances to get a sub 25 year old star at any position. So you take the upgrades where you can because at worst he’s a significant asset in pursuit of another star. But he fits a positional need, his offense fits better with Sochan and his max is a very palatable one vs having to pay Supermax or what PHX would have to pay imo.

Here is Ayton's shot chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/deandre-ayton-shot-chart-2021

Since I don't watch the Suns often - what is in Ayton's offensive repertoire that is significantly larger than Jak's? Neither even has a mid-range game. Maybe Ayton has better low post moves, but I don't see how that helps with spacing with Sochan anymore than Jak's game.

[spursince#99]

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This GM is clueless.

[DPG21920]

Here is Ayton's shot chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/deandre-ayton-shot-chart-2021

Since I don't watch the Suns often - what is in Ayton's offensive repertoire that is significantly larger than Jak's? Neither even has a mid-range game. Maybe Ayton has better low post moves, but I don't see how that helps with spacing with Sochan anymore than Jak's game.

Ayton showed a lot more range (jak had none). When CP went out Ayton offense really expanded. But was small sample and wouldn’t show up in larger shot chart data

[Mr. Body]

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Zollins has proven to be a good get. I have doubts about him long-term but he's a banger and can hit outside. He becomes even more valuable with the presence of Sochan -- now the Baylore dude has both Landale and Collins to play with. Each is a floor spacer, while he will struggle with Poeltl. You can potentially not lose much size running Sochan/Landale or Sochan/Collins.

[Mugen]

Good. That Collins contract can be useful in trades.

[CGD]

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Excellent

[Chinook]

It does jeopardize cap space quite a bit, but I also think they were unlikely to look at big signings after their draft anyway. I'd say were in for a similar off-season as last year in terms of overall strategy. Most of the empty roster spots will get used on salary dumps who won't make it out of camp. They habe a couple of weak seconds to use for matching, so I expect to see most of the young guys stay. It also reduces the likelihood that Murray gets moved.

[DPG21920]

It does jeopardize cap space quite a bit, but I also think they were unlikely to look at big signings after their draft anyway. I'd say were in for a similar off-season as last year in terms of overall strategy. Most of the empty roster spots will get used on salary dumps who won't make it out of camp. They habe a couple of weak seconds to use for matching, so I expect to see most of the young guys stay. It also reduces the likelihood that Murray gets moved.


True but if target is Ayton (have doubts it is) they can still have his max while keeping Collins easily

[Mr. Body]

It does jeopardize cap space quite a bit, but I also think they were unlikely to look at big signings after their draft anyway. I'd say were in for a similar off-season as last year in terms of overall strategy. Most of the empty roster spots will get used on salary dumps who won't make it out of camp. They habe a couple of weak seconds to use for matching, so I expect to see most of the young guys stay. It also reduces the likelihood that Murray gets moved.

Yep. Use cap to facilitate other teams' trades, get draft capital. Run with what we have minus shedding some players.

[CGD]

It does jeopardize cap space quite a bit, but I also think they were unlikely to look at big signings after their draft anyway. I'd say were in for a similar off-season as last year in terms of overall strategy. Most of the empty roster spots will get used on salary dumps who won't make it out of camp. They habe a couple of weak seconds to use for matching, so I expect to see most of the young guys stay. It also reduces the likelihood that Murray gets moved.

Where do you peg the cap space at right now, assuming Lonnie is renounced? Quickly playing with the Capulator I get to about 30m. Is that about right?

[rjv]

Yep. Use cap to facilitate other teams' trades, get draft capital. Run with what we have minus shedding some players.

this is what i hope for and expect although i'm leaving some room for an unexpected mid-level tier signing or surprise, such as a jalen smith or fathead prodigal son returns moment.

[objective]

The glass half full approach to Ayton is the same as John Collins: if they get popped for juicing again it's a 55 game suspension, which makes it very easy to tank that season

[duncan2150]

It does jeopardize cap space quite a bit, but I also think they were unlikely to look at big signings after their draft anyway. I'd say were in for a similar off-season as last year in terms of overall strategy. Most of the empty roster spots will get used on salary dumps who won't make it out of camp. They habe a couple of weak seconds to use for matching, so I expect to see most of the young guys stay. It also reduces the likelihood that Murray gets moved.

That's what i was thinking first but they can also go for a guy with their money. Not talking about Lavine or Ayton because they'll need some moves to do so and not sure they want or will do it.

[spurraider21]

zollins was definitely overpaid last year relative to what they got out of him, but thats also why they wanted him on a multiyear deal... to get the value later. he was surprisingly solid in his limited action. if he can turn in a full-ish season, that 3rd year could be very juicy

[Leetonidas]

Collins earned the right to a 2nd season imo. He was actually pretty decent and I could be wrong but I don't recall him experiencing any injury issues which is good to see. He is a solid backup C with the potential to carve out a more permanent role this season

[T Park]

Collins literally got better the more minutes and time he got. Very excited to see how he looks after a healthy offseason and training camp.

[Seventyniner]

Half of Zollins's money was guaranteed anyway, right? That means it was only an extra $3.5M to keep him compared to cutting him. Well worth it imo.

[KingKev]

This GM is clueless.

Why wouldn’t you guarantee him? You’d rather pay him 3.5mm just to cut him?

[Atl Spur]

Fools and babies.

[Chinook]

Half of Zollins's money was guaranteed anyway, right? That means it was only an extra $3.5M to keep him compared to cutting him. Well worth it imo.

Yeah, the thinking from a lot of us at the time of signing was that he would get that second year if he showed anything at all. The only reason to cut him would've been to stretch his salary to get max cap space. That doesn't seem necessary anymore, so Collins makes more sense to keep as trade ballast even if they didn't like him, which I think they do.

[T Park]

That's what i was thinking first but they can also go for a guy with their money. Not talking about Lavine or Ayton because they'll need some moves to do so and not sure they want or will do it.

Technically don’t need a move for Ayton, spurs have room to max him.

[duncan2150]

Technically don’t need a move for Ayton, spurs have room to max him.

You're right but i was thinking they need to renounce to Lonnie or some one else to have the max ?

[spurraider21]

You're right but i was thinking they need to renounce to Lonnie or some one else to have the max ?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLT5ELAVAAATErW.jpg

[poopbox]

True but if target is Ayton (have doubts it is) they can still have his max while keeping Collins easily

Oh I think Ayton is definitely a target, I just don't think he is going to play in San Antonio cause I don't they they will be the only team offering a max or near max.

I'd be happy with Bamba or even gasp...taking a chance on Bagley who I don't think will get any sizable money deals due to how bad his reputation is, which I put the blame squarely on Sacramento.

I think Bamba on something like a 4 for 70 or Bagley on a 3 for 35 would be a nice get for the Spurs. Although I think a team could off Bamba stupid money off his handful of actual unicorn games when he hit 3's and defended the rim well.

[CGD]

Oh I think Ayton is definitely a target, I just don't think he is going to play in San Antonio cause I don't they they will be the only team offering a max or near max.

I'd be happy with Bamba or even gasp...taking a chance on Bagley who I don't think will get any sizable money deals due to how bad his reputation is, which I put the blame squarely on Sacramento.

I think Bamba on something like a 4 for 70 or Bagley on a 3 for 35 would be a nice get for the Spurs. Although I think a team could off Bamba stupid money off his handful of actual unicorn games when he hit 3's and defended the rim well.

With Duren going to DET, I actually think Spurs may be one of the few cap space teams available with legit interest. Not OKC. Unclear where Portland stands after Grant deal. The greater threat, for those favoring a trade, is a S&T team.

[T Park]

Detroit allegedly still has 44 in cap room, more than SA, but they can’t offer Ayton anymore money than SA

[Leetonidas]

At least Ayton is used to hot weather? :lol

[Ice009]

The glass half full approach to Ayton is the same as John Collins: if they get popped for juicing again it's a 55 game suspension, which makes it very easy to tank that season

Who got popped for juicing?

[Russ]

The Spurs need to have two principles in free agency:

(1) Take on bad contracts;

(2) Get draft picks (or maybe young upside players) in return.

That's it.

[tonight...you]

Detroit allegedly still has 44 in cap room, more than SA, but they can’t offer Ayton anymore money than SA
And they just got Duren.

[tonight...you]

The Spurs need to have two principles in free agency:

(1) Take on bad contracts;

(2) Get draft picks (or maybe young upside players) in return.

That's it.
You may be right.
I'm of the opinion that it's time to start developing what they have and bring in some young vets to start leapfrogging the process a bit.

[objective]

Who got popped for juicing?

Both Ayton and John Collins have served 25 game suspensions in their career for performance enhancing juice.

[kobyz]

One name I'm hearing Spurs gonna be after in free agency is TJ Warren

[KobesAchilles]

One name I'm hearing Spurs gonna be after in free agency is TJ Warren
That would be a great pick up if we could get him. It really does suck bc we have such a great roster for a superstar if we did sign him. The only fucking problem is we don’t have a superstar :lol. Whelp 10th seed here we come again

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘m trying to figure out who gets traded because as of know we got 15 players under contract. There is no open roster spot

[cutewizard]

Just found this, ....was wondering if this is legit news......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFHL57B7ctQ

[duncan2150]

The Spurs need to have two principles in free agency:

(1) Take on bad contracts;

(2) Get draft picks (or maybe young upside players) in return.

That's it.

And a big, with rim protection if you can. Unless you want to go with Poetl, Collins, Landale and Sochan inside all the year.

There's no way the spurs will not take a big man but it could be for cheap too.

[Ice009]

Both Ayton and John Collins have served 25 game suspensions in their career for performance enhancing juice.

Wow, I didn't know. I haven't followed the NBA that closely the past few years (just the Spurs mainly).

[cd98]

Do we want a center to be the highest paid player on the roster in today’s game?

[Atl Spur]

Poodle is good enough

[RC_Drunkford]

Jake Fischer on John Collins: „The Spurs definitely are doing intel on John, like, I know that they’re calling around asking about him (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6JM8G83y65l2q9ygIZ7bUq).“

I like that. Hope they trade for him without trading DJ. His trade value will never be this low again

[Dejounte]

Have John Collins become the starting center tbh

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Sochan
JCollins

a lot of upside to that lineup

[RC_Drunkford]

Have John Collins become the starting center tbh

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Sochan
JCollins

a lot of upside to that lineup

Collins sucks at Center tbh. Sochan would have to play C, but that would work. Can you imagine a Sochan/Collins pick & roll? JC is the best roll man in the NBA and Sochan is a walking mismatch, that would be unstoppable

[Dejounte]

Collins sucks at Center tbh. Sochan would have to play C, but that would work. Can you imagine a Sochan/Collins pick & roll? JC is the best roll man in the NBA and Sochan is a walking mismatch, that would be unstoppable

a lot of interchangeable parts. It would confuse the hell out of opposing teams. I’m ready for some fun basketball.

[RC_Drunkford]

a lot of interchangeable parts. It would confuse the hell out of opposing teams. I’m ready for some fun basketball.

that line up you proposed would also be an incredible small ball line up. They could guard smaller players and protect the rim on defense and play big on the other end, outrebound opponents and still play above the rim.

[T Park]

The spurs imo have leverage in any Collins trade. The hawks have signaled they don’t want him. Collins now doesn’t wsnt to be there. Perfect time to unload your guards, which in theory the hawks need to replace guys like Delon Wright and Lou Williams

[BacktoBasics]

The spurs imo have leverage in any Collins trade. The hawks have signaled they don’t want him. Collins now doesn’t wsnt to be there. Perfect time to unload your guards, which in theory the hawks need to replace guys like Delon Wright and Lou Williams

Lonnie to Atlanta. He’s not a bad fit there at all.

[T Park]

Lonnie to Atlanta. He’s not a bad fit there at all.

Lonnie S&T, plus Richardson, maybe a future pick works most likely.

[Degoat]

Would really like for the spurs to target Mo Bamba in free agency.

Jakob/ZC
Doug/Sochan
KJ/Richardson/Branham
Dev/Primo
DJ/Tre/Blake

2 way- Barlowe

Add- Mo Bamba, other pieces traded into cap space.

Gone- Lonnie, Langford, Landale, Bates diop.

[poopbox]

Collins at the 4...cool

Collins at the 5...is like Keldon at the 4, we going to get killed in the paint :lol

Our offense would probably go from 8th to 5th though :lol

[T Park]

Collins at the 4...cool

Collins at the 5...is like Keldon at the 4, we going to get killed in the paint :lol

Our offense would probably go from 8th to 5th though :lol


Collins with a Sochan and Keldon and Vassell on the wing won’t.

[BacktoBasics]

Would really like for the spurs to target Mo Bamba in free agency.

Jakob/ZC
Doug/Sochan
KJ/Richardson/Branham
Dev/Primo
DJ/Tre/Blake

2 way- Barlowe

Add- Mo Bamba, other pieces traded into cap space.

Gone- Lonnie, Langford, Landale, Bates diop.
I'd expect Bamba to be relatively affordable but I'm sure someone is going to attempt to overpay him.

[Degoat]

I'd expect Bamba to be relatively affordable but I'm sure someone is going to attempt to overpay him.

Yeah I think so too, they gave Banchero his jersey number too lmao so he’s gone from Orlando for sure

[kobyz]

Would really like for the spurs to target Mo Bamba in free agency.

Jakob/ZC
Doug/Sochan
KJ/Richardson/Branham
Dev/Primo
DJ/Tre/Blake

2 way- Barlowe

Add- Mo Bamba, other pieces traded into cap space.

Gone- Lonnie, Langford, Landale, Bates diop.

I don't think Mo is a starting caliber center on a winning team, too soft

[Degoat]

I don't think Mo is a starting caliber center on a winning team, too soft

Same he’s not an upgrade over Jakob or anything but a backup front court of Mo and Sochan would be interesting to me

[Payote75]

I like Bamba as a plan "B" or Mitchell Robinson if the Knicks throw all their money at Brunson.

Having said that: you can still build this team and make it a threat. Best case scenario:

You can sign or sign and trade Ayton and then acquire John Collins in a deal without DJ.
If you use mcnuggets Richardson and Poetrl and Langford a combo of those already offset Collins.

Or

You can trade for Collins go for a Mitchell Robinson or Bamba obviously less of a threat but still trading the above players you still have money to add other player or two.

Maybe spurs colored glasses but I believe line up of:

Collins/Sochan//Zollins
Ayton/Zollins/Landale
Keldon/RookieFA/Sochan
Vassell/Primo
Murray/Jones/Primo

Bamba same line up maybe then improve on FA small forward.

How can the Ayton line up not grow together and hopefully flourish who is the oldest in that starting five DJ? At what 25 or 26 Collins same?

That to me is a playoff team with scoring at all positions

[heyheymymy]

Man I'm officially out on the juicers then no thanks

Also agree that Mo Bamba is not too intriguing.

[BackHome]

Collins sucks

[tbdog]

Lonnie S&T, plus Richardson, maybe a future pick works most likely.

The deals would need to be separate. And i think it can still work. So for example Richardson, protected first for Collins. Walker sign and trade for future second. But you'll have to see if the Hawks can swallow walkers contract without giving back salary. Then Hawks will say, we can sign walker without your help. So who knows. Also Hawks want to offload gali as well. So do you do something like Poeltl McDermott for Collins. Richardson and Longford for gali? And the numbers still don't work by about 3 mil. Walker sign and trade does not help here.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if the spurms do trade for ayton, u think suns will offload a bastard contract to the spurs?...how long is cp3 contract got left? spurs do need a pure pg....

[Degoat]

Free agents are so garbage this off-season

[td4mvp2k]

Free agents are so garbage this off-season
next season is no better. ayton is the only big FA that makes sense for spurs.

[BacktoBasics]

I still like Jalen Smith. His numbers for Indy were solid to finish out the season.

[scott]

I still like Jalen Smith. His numbers for Indy were solid to finish out the season.

I think this is more our speed. What do we think he'll command on the open market?

[RC_Drunkford]

I still like Jalen Smith. His numbers for Indy were solid to finish out the season.

so were Drew Eubanks' on a tanking team

[tonight...you]

so were Drew Eubanks' on a tanking team
That's for real.

[BacktoBasics]

so were Drew Eubanks' on a tanking team

He was showing some good stuff with Suns towards the end of his run. I don’t think the guys fools gold at all.

[RC_Drunkford]

He was showing some good stuff with Suns towards the end of his run. I don’t think the guys fools gold at all.

I was all for signing him, but we need to trade for a starter

[Degoat]

Feel like Jalen Smith and Zach Collins are very similar players, wouldn’t make much sense to target him imo

[scott]

Feel like Jalen Smith and Zach Collins are very similar players, wouldn’t make much sense to target him imo

I kind of agree, but kind of think that's why he could be a target. Zollins is a 4.5, like Smith. So having two of them gives you some flexibility. I think you could probably play both of next to each other as well, as they each can space the floor and threaten from 3.

Similarly, I think Miles Bridges would be a good fit as a 3.5 (but not if you sign Smith) if you wanted to go more that direction. Could see a really nice 3.5 rotation with KJ and Sochan, or even all 3 on the court at the same time with Sochan sliding to 5 in small lineups.

[scott]

Free Agency Predictions from Bleacher Report:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10039538-bold-free-agency-predictions-after-2022-nba-draft


Deandre Ayton Lands in San Antonio
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The Detroit Pistons ending up with Jalen Duren should put an end to Ayton's chances at getting a max contract offer from Detroit.

There's another destination out there that could make sense for the 2018 No. 1 overall pick, and perhaps one even more ready to win than the Pistons.

Ayton to the Spurs should be a real possibility.

San Antonio can give Ayton the max contract he seeks (with about $32.6 million in cap space, per Spotrac's Keith Smith) and has a potential need at center with Jakob Poeltl entering the final year of his deal.

It's worth noting that the Spurs had three-first rounders in the 2022 draft and declined to take a center with any of them, even with Poeltl's contract situation. San Antonio selected forward Jeremy Sochan out of Baylor with the No. 9 overall pick when Duren was still available.

The Suns won't let Ayton just walk for nothing, however.

Phoenix should push for Poeltl back in a sign-and-trade deal, including anything else it can get from the Spurs. A core of Dejounte Murray, Ayton, Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell, Josh Primo, Sochan and Malaki Branham (selected at No. 20 overall) should be in the West playoff picture next season.

The Pistons now have two young centers on rookie contracts to build around. The Spurs have none.

Ayton will end up a Spur and become the next great big man to wear the black and silver.

[KingKev]

Yeah I think so too, they gave Banchero his jersey number too lmao so he’s gone from Orlando for sure

haha wow i’ve been banging the table for months he has no future in Orlando and he could
come cheap.

[T Park]

Yeah day 1 of free agency, just show up, drop the max, and be done.

[spurspl]

i like ayton in spurs but max contract its too much imo

[The Truth #6]

Targeting Jalen Smith is way more the Spurs. I would be shocked to see them drop a bag for Ayton. Trading Dejounte to get picks and OO from Atlanta, oddly, sounds more realistic than Ayton, but still very low chance.

[Mugen]

Ayton is a no-brainer max candidate for a team starving for legit talent like the Spurs. DJ/Keldon/Vassell are all due for big raises soon so utilizing the cap space while they have it is critical.

I'd do a S&T trade just to keep PHX from matching: Poetl/McDermott/Tre/1st should get it done

[BacktoBasics]

Ayton is a no-brainer max candidate for a team starving for legit talent like the Spurs. DJ/Keldon/Vassell are all due for big raises soon so utilizing the cap space while they have it is critical.

I'd do a S&T trade just to keep PHX from matching: Poetl/McDermott/Tre/1st should get it done

Lonnie doesn't seem like a bad fit for the Suns either. Some bench scoring for them plus Poetl and a 1st sounds like a respectable return. I'd like to hang onto Tre if possible. McD means nothing to me and if they're going to have trouble retaining Cam... he might be a consideration as well.

[pad300]

Ayton is a no-brainer max candidate for a team starving for legit talent like the Spurs. DJ/Keldon/Vassell are all due for big raises soon so utilizing the cap space while they have it is critical.

I'd do a S&T trade just to keep PHX from matching: Poetl/McDermott/Tre/1st should get it done
Remember that as a poison pill contract, they can only take 1/2 the outgoing salary back. So that's ~16 million; Poeltl + 1 of Langford/Lonnie/A rookie seems to fit the money better. I'd try not to give them a first either; they are a bit over a barrel here.

[3&D_TBH]

I just lurked a some knicks threads and many of their fans are chomping at the bit to give away 3-4 picks for DJ. Not saying we should do this, but clearly the fans like him over Brunson.

[talkspurs]

I just lurked a some knicks threads and many of their fans are chomping at the bit to give away 3-4 picks for DJ. Not saying we should do this, but clearly the fans like him over Brunson.

He is much better then Brunson. This is why I dont understand why the the Spurs are even willing to trade him. Whoever gets him will get better so the first we get back will probably mid to later first rd.

[pad300]

An IMO, best possible case (but actually realistic) for this FA period.

Ayton (4 year max; starting at $32M I think) S&T for Poeltl + Langford + maybe a 2024 FRP (protected 1-4)
No, I don't see PHX getting more than this, between the teams that have the space to make a max offer, his poison-pill status restricting them to taking 1/2 the salary back, and assorted burned bridges between him and PHX (not max'ing him last offseason, whatever happened in Gm 7).

John Collins ($23.5M + raises, 4 years remaining) Trade for McDermott + J Rich + FRP (when and what protections uncertain ???)
Yes, it has gotten bad enough between the ATL and Collins that he's out of there, and everyone knows it, so they're not getting a ton. They may look to further move McDermott or J Rich, depending on what they can get...

C: Ayton/Z Collins/ Landale
PF: J Collins /Sochan / KBD / Barlow (2 way, G League)
Wings: Vassel/ Keldon/ Primo / Branham/ Weiskamp / Wesley (G-League)
PG: DJ / Tre

Bring in a cheap 3ed string PG and maybe another wing. (Bring back Lonnie on the cheap, maybe?? Or, much less palatably, recycle Forbes again, trying make another 2nd round pick from him?)

[rascal]

An IMO, best possible case (but actually realistic) for this FA period.

Ayton (4 year max; starting at $32M I think) S&T for Poeltl + Langford + maybe a 2024 FRP (protected 1-4)
No, I don't see PHX getting more than this, between the teams that have the space to make a max offer, his poison-pill status restricting them to taking 1/2 the salary back, and assorted burned bridges between him and PHX (not max'ing him last offseason, whatever happened in Gm 7).

John Collins ($23.5M + raises, 4 years remaining) Trade for McDermott + J Rich + FRP (when and what protections uncertain ???)
Yes, it has gotten bad enough between the ATL and Collins that he's out of there, and everyone knows it, so they're not getting a ton. They may look to further move McDermott or J Rich, depending on what they can get...

C: Ayton/Z Collins/ Landale
PF: J Collins /Sochan / KBD / Barlow (2 way, G League)
Wings: Vassel/ Keldon/ Primo / Branham/ Weiskamp / Wesley (G-League)
PG: DJ / Tre

Bring in a cheap 3ed string PG and maybe another wing. (Bring back Lonnie on the cheap, maybe?? Or, much less palatably, recycle Forbes again, trying make another 2nd round pick from him?)

You aren't getting either Ayton or Collins on the cheap.

[LeBowen]

Why S&T with Phoenix? We have the cap space.

Ayton at 32 million is worth it only if he comes as a FA. Premium you pay to get a good player for free.
But Ayton at 32 million isn't worth it if you also have to give up Jakob who is a huge asset this offseason and some more on top of that. That's just helping Phoenix for no reason.

Getting Ayton as a FA means we can get someone like OG (wasn't Toronto interested in Jakob at the deadline?) who's also unhappy or more picks etc. Not worth it if it's just Ayton at the expense of Jakob.
Unless PATFO really wants him.

Just throw the max and him and put them into a lose-lose situation.
Either they're stuck with a disgruntled player or they let him walk. Fuck the Suns.

If they match, no big deal.

[3&D_TBH]

He is much better then Brunson. This is why I dont understand why the the Spurs are even willing to trade him. Whoever gets him will get better so the first we get back will probably mid to later first rd. I agree. And I don't believe we've seen DJ's best yet either.

[Teamduncan21]

We can sign ayton straight up right? Sign and trade is just being nice. Why do we have to give picks?

[Degoat]

Can there be a 3 team trade between spurs, suns, and hawks?

To Spurs: John Collins
To Suns: Capela & Josh Richardson
To Hawks: Ayton & Doug McDermott

Maybe picks somewhere in the deal?

[3&D_TBH]

Can there be a 3 team trade between spurs, suns, and hawks?

To Spurs: John Collins
To Suns: Capela & Josh Richardson
To Hawks: Ayton & Doug McDermott

Maybe picks somewhere in the deal?

I know Collins shoots it better than Sochan, but doesn't drafting Sochan suggest diminishing interest in someone like Collins post draft. I don't think the interest is there now tbh.

[LeBowen]

We can sign ayton straight up right? Sign and trade is just being nice. Why do we have to give picks?

Exactly my point, we don't.

Ayton as a free agent = worth it, because we can flip Jakob for a pick or another good player then.
Ayton in S&T = not worth it.

Throw the max at him and put Phoenix into a lose-lose situation. They match, just walk away. It's not like we must sign Ayton.

[Degoat]

I know Collins shoots it better than Sochan, but doesn't drafting Sochan suggest diminishing interest in someone like Collins post draft. I don't think the interest is there now tbh.

I would agree, but knowing the spurs they’re not gonna roll Sochan out there in his rookie season. If we keep what we have currently will be seeing Keldon and McDermott at the 4 most of time

[Dejounte]

The Spurs rolled out Vassell and Primo during their rookie seasons.

[Ditty]

Not sure if true but I read that Pop really likes Deandre Hunter. Thinks he can be their Kawhi Leonard. Maybe that’s what the Spurs are trying to get in the 3 way deal (send Collins somewhere else) including picks for Murray.

[Degoat]

The Spurs rolled out Vassell and Primo during their rookie seasons.

Ehhh Forbes was playing ahead of Primo in several games last season lol Dev did play a decent amount his rookie season but he was more polished coming in imo

[3&D_TBH]

Seems like the big question is whether or not Sochan will get the regular g league treatment we are used to seeing. I believe that Sochan may be the rare draftee that is NBA ready enough even for Pop considering his strengths are all on the defensive end. Would not shock me at all to see Sochan starting by November. He has the tools. But yea, much to my disliking, he could def get that same treatment. I hope not however.

[Dejounte]

Wtf do you mean by roll out then? I didnt say he started the whole season. But they did give him a clear role by mid season.

[RC_Drunkford]

I know Collins shoots it better than Sochan, but doesn't drafting Sochan suggest diminishing interest in someone like Collins post draft. I don't think the interest is there now tbh.

no, because the Spurs only have 1 PF on the roster and need 2 in the rotation. Besides that Sochan can't shoot the 3 well enough and you can actually play him together with Collins in a small ball line up that would probably be one of the best in the league. Spurs should definitely try to get Collins

[scott]

Does CHA have the cap room to match a Collins-like deal for Bridges? Would rather have Miles than Collins tbh, tho rumor is DET will throw max at Miles

[pad300]

You aren't getting either Ayton or Collins on the cheap.

Both of them are distressed assets Rascal; neither PHX nor ATL are gonna see the value they want. They're in Kwitter-esque positions.

[Spursfanfromafar]

In the modern NBA, paying a center a max contract unless he has some premium skills a la Jokic/ Embiid is just a waste of money. Ayton is a good player, but he is no premium guy to be paid the max. Spurs are better off continuing with Poeltl and utilising the next opportunity to land a FA with cap space and talent intact. Who knows, Durant might want to play for Pop and take on the Warriors to finally set his legacy, maybe in 2023-24.

[T Park]

Not sure if true but I read that Pop really likes Deandre Hunter. Thinks he can be their Kawhi Leonard. Maybe that’s what the Spurs are trying to get in the 3 way deal (send Collins somewhere else) including picks for Murray.


They want to get rid of Collins to make room for Hunter