The Parisian Patisserie of Victor Wembanyama

[z0sa]

I don't feel like Wemby deserves too much criticism. A guy like Dildo Brooks plays as nasty as Bowen did, maybe nastier because he gets super emotional, too. It'll be a challenge every time Wemby goes against him, and in reality, every time he steps on an NBA court. He needs reps vs these guys to improve. On to the next game.

[Kawhi Duncan]

I don't feel like Wemby deserves too much criticism. A guy like Dildo Brooks plays as nasty as Bowen did, maybe nastier because he gets super emotional, too. It'll be a challenge every time Wemby goes against him, and in reality, every time he steps on an NBA court. He needs reps vs these guys to improve. On to the next game.

There's blame to be placed for sure... You have to get physical with Dillon and not let him get into it head and push you around... Pop needed to punish them by setting plays where Wemby would catch it in the deep post vs brooks I stead of at the 3 point line where he can't do shit against Dillon... VERY poor coaching, and it seems like the game has passed Pop... And he is hindering Wemby's growth as a result

[Kawhi Duncan]

I'm fine with the 3s, he needs them to have long career and to be able to make defenses doubt.

I'm more concerned by him wandering too often not knowing what to do or not seing any plays they'd have been working on. It still looks free flowing

That's on Pop... Year 2 and he STILL hasn't designed an offense around Wemby... He just plays pick up ball and you have to home he is hot that particular night... Wemby would THRIVE with someone different coaching him

[Kawhi Duncan]

Yeah, this would be destructive in the longterm and most nights not productive in the short.

Right now, Victor needs to not have a green light. He very clearly needs a set of actions, a set of moves and reads he is supposed to progress through to try to get as-low-effort-as-possible buckets.

Even when he has a night where he is just jacking shots up and they are going in, it's still counterproductive if he is not getting those shots in a constructive way.


These losses are actually badly needed because they are, at least in significant part, due to Vic just doing what he wants to do instead of doing things well. Maybe the coaching staff is allowing him to see that he needs coaching. Sometimes with teenagers, you have to let a hard head create a soft ass.

Pop needs to design a fucking offense around the guy and not just have him playing pick up.... That's not gonna work when you have Sochan starting so then you can't even run a simple pick and roll with Wemby because sochan's man will sit in the paint to cut it off

[The Truth #6]

Maybe VW wants to play this way and the staff is trying not to alienate him by forcing him into something he doesn't want to do yet.

Or, he's just tired from playing in the Summer and therefore playing poorly.

[Ice009]

I think we just agree to disagree. As you noted those greats do one great thing nobody else is doing, not everything. Wemby is doing everything now and he isn’t good at any of them. Focus on one or two things you want to be great at at a time, lebron worked on his threes, magic his no looks, steph his step back threes, Kareem his skyhook, hakeem his shakes, duncan his banks, Dirk his one foot fades, jordan his turnaround fades, but they did these in practice first until it’s a proficient and consistent move before busting them out in games. Wemby is just doing whatever comes to his mind at the moment (at least it looks like that to me). He shouldn’t be pushed to do hard things, he should impose his will on the defence.

I'm going to say, I remember something Kawhi said, but don't remember it fully so hopefully I get it right/am remembering right. He said the difference between himself and a lot of other players is, he practices/works on things he wants to learn/use in games, then he is able to apply it in the actual game. He said a lot of players do some great things in practice, or practice certain/specific things, but can't seem to be able to do in actual games. It's an interesting point he brought up. Some people just can't apply it to game time situations no matter how much they practice it. I wonder if it's because of the pressure/bright lights, or they just can't do it when playing against real opponents. I remember guys like Dwight Howard working with Hakeem, but I never really saw that translate to him being able to do it in games. Kawhi was saying he practices it, and then is able to do it in games.

I don't know what Victor works on in practice, but it does seem like he's doing a lot of improvising on the court. Not sure if you can become great doing that. I mean, this isn't sports, but there are some great musicians that improvise and are great, so maybe Victor can be too doing that (again not sure if that is what he's doing, and/or if he's done some of the stuff in practice, it just looks that way to me that he's trying stuff on the spot during a game).

Overall all, though, I agree with your point about learning/working on things in practice and then doing it in a game. Steph Curry said he practices shooting sped up/faster in practice, so that when he shoots in a game, he's able to shoot slower and it makes it easier for him.

[exstatic]

I'm going to say, I remember something Kawhi said, but don't remember it fully so hopefully I get it right/am remembering right. He said the difference between himself and a lot of other players is, he practices/works on things he wants to learn/use in games, then he is able to apply it in the actual game. He said a lot of players do some great things in practice, or practice certain/specific things, but can't seem to be able to do in actual games. It's an interesting point he brought up. Some people just can't apply it to game time situations no matter how much they practice it. I wonder if it's because of the pressure/bright lights, or they just can't do it when playing against real opponents. I remember guys like Dwight Howard working with Hakeem, but I never really saw that translate to him being able to do it in games. Kawhi was saying he practices it, and then is able to do it in games.

I don't know what Victor works on in practice, but it does seem like he's doing a lot of improvising on the court. Not sure if you can become great doing that. I mean, this isn't sports, but there are some great musicians that improvise and are great, so maybe Victor can be too doing that (again not sure if that is what he's doing, and/or if he's done some of the stuff in practice, it just looks that way to me that he's trying stuff on the spot during a game).

Overall all, though, I agree with your point about learning/working on things in practice and then doing it in a game. Steph Curry said he practices shooting sped up/faster in practice, so that when he shoots in a game, he's able to shoot slower and it makes it easier for him.

With Mute Cancer,there was a progression. He would work on something with the development staff. When they reached a certain point of proficiency, the skill would be moved to practice. Then, when the proficiency level was reached in practice, they would advance the skill to use within games.

[SayTown]

That's on Pop... Year 2 and he STILL hasn't designed an offense around Wemby... He just plays pick up ball and you have to home he is hot that particular night... Wemby would THRIVE with someone different coaching him

Maybe but he did the same thing in the Olympics almost half his shots were 3's and he didn't really impose his will and have a truly dominant game at least offensively until the Gold Medal match vs USA, he just likes playing playground style.

[Spurs Homer]

Yeah, this would be destructive in the longterm and most nights not productive in the short.

Right now, Victor needs to not have a green light. He very clearly needs a set of actions, a set of moves and reads he is supposed to progress through to try to get as-low-effort-as-possible buckets.

Even when he has a night where he is just jacking shots up and they are going in, it's still counterproductive if he is not getting those shots in a constructive way.


These losses are actually badly needed because they are, at least in significant part, due to Vic just doing what he wants to do instead of doing things well. Maybe the coaching staff is allowing him to see that he needs coaching. Sometimes with teenagers, you have to let a hard head create a soft ass.

that ^

is the difference between terrified spurs fans and what the warriors and kerr

did with curry

imagine when curry began launching logo threes and missing some…

terrified spurs fans would have pissed their pants and made posts like in the last couple of pages

kerr and the warriors didnt shit their pants and curry changed the entire game- as much as i hate the prick
he did just that

wemby is on this level and more

please spurs fans - stop wetting the bed and watch him become the GOAT

[skin27]

Castle also brings nyhing to the table becase he cant shoot

[Mr. Body]

This league is the best in the world. Teams figure out what players want to do, and this is why players with big first years sometimes never get better. Defenders know when to dig at Vic's drives, when to move in a second or third defender, how to push him into low-efficiency shots.

It's sort of the analogue to when Duncan struggled with double teams early in his career.

This is frustrating, and the growing pains may take a while, but he's a smart player with a good coaching staff and they'll figure this out step by step.

[NASpurs]

This league is the best in the world. Teams figure out what players want to do, and this is why players with big first years sometimes never get better. Defenders know when to dig at Vic's drives, when to move in a second or third defender, how to push him into low-efficiency shots.

It's sort of the analogue to when Duncan struggled with double teams early in his career.

This is frustrating, and the growing pains may take a while, but he's a smart player with a good coaching staff and they'll figure this out step by step.

:lmao low hanging fruit

[MannyIsGod]

Is Wemby getting traded? Theres no good coaching staff in San Antonio.

[DAF86]

Somebody needs to make him understand that he isn't Durant and he will never be Durant. He can be way better, but for that to happen, he needs to understand that his greatest strength it's his size. Stop bullshitting around, get your ass inside and play smart, professional, grown ass basketball.

Yall can try to rationalize it as much as you want, the only truth is this one above. Wemby is way too tall to be handling the ball out on the perimeter, he's gonna get stripped over and over.

The shooting around him doesn't help either. Wemby and Pop need to stop fucking around and get serious for once.

[deanoden]

Trading him now probably would be a good idea if the return was there. He doesn't seem to had added anything to his game over the summer. He's way overhyped.

[SayTown]

that ^

is the difference between terrified spurs fans and what the warriors and kerr

did with curry

imagine when curry began launching logo threes and missing some…

terrified spurs fans would have pissed their pants and made posts like in the last couple of pages

kerr and the warriors didnt shit their pants and curry changed the entire game- as much as i hate the prick
he did just that

wemby is on this level and more

please spurs fans - stop wetting the bed and watch him become the GOAT

What Curry came in the league shooting .437 from 3 as a rookie.

[Rosewood]

Trading him now probably would be a good idea if the return was there. He doesn't seem to had added anything to his game over the summer. He's way overhyped. You’re a fucking maniac.

[Pauleta14]

I think bringing a proper PG might have been a false good idea.

Wemby not being a real center hanging in the post shined off of his playmaking last season and now has that part of his game taken away.

He ends up being too static and having either to catch and shoot (he doesn't like it) or drible (not a good move)

He needs to be in motion and the center of the team, exploiting double teams with his passing

Right now he's just a role player

[SayTown]

Yall can try to rationalize it as much as you want, the only truth is this one above. Wemby is way too tall to be handling the ball out on the perimeter, he's gonna get stripped over and over.

The shooting around him doesn't help either. Wemby and Pop need to stop fucking around and get serious for once.

Exactly his greatest assets is his height and the closer he is to the basket the more he can take advantage of that, for him to play on the perimeter the team would need to surround him with knock down shooters.

[z0sa]

:lol we're not trading Wemby. That'd be the end of the Spurs in SA if we did.

But he's got a long-ass ways to go if he wants to even be in the playoff hunt.

[Degoat]

I’m really disappointed in his start to the season but the rockets and OKC are like the worst matchups for the spurs outta all the teams in the league tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Trading him now probably would be a good idea if the return was there. He doesn't seem to had added anything to his game over the summer. He's way overhyped.
This should be an immediate ban tbh

[Pauleta14]

I’m really disappointed in his start to the season but the rockets and OKC are like the worst matchups for the spurs outta all the teams in the league tbh

Add Dallas who plays Wemby physical always as well

+ Wemby being sick

But the roster lacks too much talent and shooting and I suspect a lot more teams will play physical with Wemby now, everybody got the message around the league

+ Pop sucks

[james evans]

Pop needs to design a fucking offense around the guy and not just have him playing pick up.... That's not gonna work when you have Sochan starting so then you can't even run a simple pick and roll with Wemby because sochan's man will sit in the paint to cut it off
popovich needs to fucking retire. He's 75 years old in a new era of basketball different from the eras that he was able to dominate with Duncan. This is no longer a big man's league and he hasn't done shit in years. I'm just waiting for this site to turn Wemby into a villain as they did Murray and Kawhi when the inevitable happens.

[timtonymanu]

:lmao low hanging fruit

The lengths of his sniffing tbh.

Meanwhile he scoffs at guys like Lamelo and Trae who would EASILY make us a better team

[timtonymanu]

I’m really disappointed in his start to the season but the rockets and OKC are like the worst matchups for the spurs outta all the teams in the league tbh

Every team is a bad matchup for us the way we play basketball

[weeks]

but he's a smart player with a good coaching staff and they'll figure this out step by step.

this has yet to be proven, tbh.

[J_Paco]

He's going through the growing pains of being a NBA athlete.

Needs to get stronger, play closer to the basket and stop taking off-balance jumpers.

Having a different coach, more shooting or any other excuse isn't gonna improve his strength, conditioning, etc.

He's supposed to be a top 10 player and the future of the league, so start playing like it like the end of last season. Point blank.

And people sound stupid as hell saying to not criticize the best player on the team, but bend over backwards to criticize everything & everyone else. That is just insane logic and coddling that a player still improving doesn't need. Hold him - just like y'all constantly complain and criticize Pop - to the highest standard and nothing less.

[Mnky]

I don't totally disagree with this but man it is difficult to watch him play with so little structure. I feel like Pop is afraid to reign him in because he might stop him from pushing the boundaries but it's going to be really hard to watch Wemby jack up logo 3s for another 79 games. That shit just feels so incredibly inefficient.

Same boat. This offense ruins my night man. :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

He's going through the growing pains of being a NBA athlete.

Needs to get stronger, play closer to the basket and stop taking off-balance jumpers.

Having a different coach, more shooting or any other excuse isn't gonna improve his strength, conditioning, etc.

He's supposed to be a top 10 player and the future of the league, so start playing like it like the end of last season. Point blank.

And people sound stupid as hell saying to not criticize the best player on the team, but bend over backwards to criticize everything & everyone else. That is just insane logic and coddling that a player still improving doesn't need. Hold him - just like y'all constantly complain and criticize Pop - to the highest standard and nothing less.

I'm not pleased with Wemby at all, but the difference between him and Pop is that Wemby shows bright spots. Pop hasn't had a team that looks competent, or even cognizant, during a basketball game in six years. Being outmatched talent-wise is one thing, but the teams never look like they are trying to take advantage in any directed and particular ways. They just get out there, run around, and fall on the floor. They don't look as if someone is whispering in their ears, giving them the answers.

Vic's playstyle is lame, but it doesn't seem like anyone is coaching him up so, what do?

[tbdog]

I am unsure if this is on Pop or not. If you're best player, in lined to the best top 20 for the season, plays that bad, you are not winning games against many teams in the NBA. Our defense is 12 in the NBA, which is incredible. But we are bottom 5 defending the 3pt line. Our TO is last in the league.

[NASpurs]

How long before the geniuses who draw up the plays realize that putting Wemby in that Joker position in catching the ball isn't working right now. The usual 40 games before they realize this?

[siraulo23]

rough start for Victor

he's supposed to be stronger and/or focus on balance and strength on his sophomore year but he looks worse, tired and lost

oh well, now my expectations are low for this season, just have to be patient with this team

[scott]

If he weren't a Spur, we'd all be laughing at him right now.

[BatManu20]

popovich needs to fucking retire. He's 75 years old in a new era of basketball different from the eras that he was able to dominate with Duncan. This is no longer a big man's league and he hasn't done shit in years. I'm just waiting for this site to turn Wemby into a villain as they did Murray and Kawhi when the inevitable happens.

Seconded. Take the old man out to pasture already. It’s beyond passed time for a new, younger, and hungrier coach in this franchise. Pop having complete immunity from the F.O. is not conducive to winning basketball games. We could go 0-82 and this old fart wouldn’t bat an eye cause he knows his job is safe no matter what. Get Pop outta here and bring in a young-gun to grow with this young team. It’s not like we’re winning games anyways.

[KenziE]

28mins a game that all for Wemby says that one IDIOT here to preserve him from injury lol . I Agree Wemby goona be asking for a trade soon . What a shame the downfall of this franchise .

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean you can clearly see the development after working out with Jamal Crawford this summer :lol

[Ice009]

I mean you can clearly see the development after working out with Jamal Crawford this summer :lol

In hindsight, he should have been working with Tim Duncan, LaMarcus, David Robinson etc. If he didn't work with those guys, it's looking kind of silly right now.

[ambchang]

A lot of blame for everyone but wemby again.

Even though wemby is clearly off to a slow start, a lot of it is self induced. He jacks up 5 3s a game and is only making 19% so far. Yes it’s unusually low, but at some point he has to realize the outside shot isn’t falling and he has to impose his will on defence and shove the bal down their throats in the paint, double and triple team be damned.

He also isn’t passing the ball particularly well. Lots of turnovers as well.

When sochan is out scoring VW, got more assists and have a better 3pt%, there’s a real problem. VW has to take on some, if not most of that blame and take over the game. He hasn’t so far but it’s real early in the season. He started off the season slow last year and I would hate this being a pattern.

He’s not the first superstar to have a bad (shooting) roster around him. The admiral, Kareem in the 70s, Barkley with the 6ers in the late 80s early 90s, Lebron when he was young, wade in the late 00s, jokic now, but these guys all produced. They put up stats even their teams weren’t winning because that’s what superstars do.

[Bill_Brasky]

Why are we not criticizing Wemby for not being able to score when he is being guarded by a player a foot shorter than he is? Players like Dillon Brooks and Alex Caruso should have no fucking business guarding Wembanyama yet he lets them punk him and push him out of position. Fucking shoot over them. That is not on any coach that is on Wemby.

[polandprzem]

Why are we not criticizing Wemby for not being able to score when he is being guarded by a player a foot shorter than he is? Players like Dillon Brooks and Alex Caruso should have no fucking business guarding Wembanyama yet he lets them punk him and push him out of position. Fucking shoot over them. That is not on any coach that is on Wemby.
Are ppl just realizing this or what?

I've been saying that for over a year. He got better - Caruso could hold him on the position, last year he was pushing him off position. :)

[LeBowen]

He jacks up 5 3s a game and is only making 19% so far.

We can blame the over-eager 20 year old for that or the supposed GOAT coach.

[Pauleta14]

How long before the geniuses who draw up the plays realize that putting Wemby in that Joker position in catching the ball isn't working right now. The usual 40 games before they realize this?

When Jokic gets the ball, they all move, cut etc to offer solutions.

When Wemby gets the ball they all wait static

I actually think finding inspiration in Jokic's game is a geat idea bc Vic is a willing a good passer + anytim he hets the ball there's at least 1 Spur wide open, but bringing Cp3 took away his playmaking.

[NASpurs]

When Jokic gets the ball, they all move, cut etc to offer solutions.

When Wemby gets the ball they all wait static

I actually think finding inspiration in Jokic's game is a geat idea bc Vic is a willing a good passer + anytim he hets the ball there's at least 1 Spur wide open, but bringing Cp3 took away his playmaking.

The problem is when something doesn't open up, he jacks up a 3 or starts dribbling and gets swarmed by like 3 dudes and nothing good follows. If he was consistent with his jump shot, then this wouldn't be a discussion but here we are.

[ginobilized]

We are going to see what Wemby is made of with this rough start to his sophomore season.

I think LaMarcus Aldridge was correct in saying that the kid needs to simplify his game offensively. Find his preferred spots and develop 4 go-to shots. His game is too expansive and random for a 7'5" guy.
His team mates and coaching staff are not helping much, seemingly. LMA might've been a better workout partner than Crawford.

I do question the players we are sticking with (Keldon/Branham/Wesley, esp.), the game planning, the offense (what offense?) and the overall plan for this rebuild. It is in an ugly place right now. I'd be so curious to find out what other top coaches and GMs would say about our team.
To bring this into perspective, the Washington Wizards looked like a playoff team last night compared to the Spurs.

[daslicer]

He needs to focus on becoming a great mid-range shooter. The mid-range shot is much easier to hit than the 3-point shot. If he can become good at the mid-range it will open up easier scoring opportunities in the paint for him. The 3-point shot is harder to master compared to the mid-range.

[Brazil]

Deep down I knew that Wemby playing in the Olympics would have consequences for his sophomore year. In the long run the experience is positive obviously but short term he needed a complete offseason to reload and work on his game more.

[exstatic]

This league is the best in the world. Teams figure out what players want to do, and this is why players with big first years sometimes never get better. Defenders know when to dig at Vic's drives, when to move in a second or third defender, how to push him into low-efficiency shots.

It's sort of the analogue to when Duncan struggled with double teams early in his career.

This is frustrating, and the growing pains may take a while, but he's a smart player with a good coaching staff and they'll figure this out step by step.

OKC is an outlier. They have + defenders at every position. If they gamble, and they did a lot last night with great success, it doesn’t matter if they get caught out of position. Someone will back them up. If Castle or Sochan gambles and misses, you’ve got two guys going downhill against Branham.

[Chinook]

I didn't hate the way Victor played for stretches last night. The Spurs made some runs with him on the court when he sat back and let the other guys score points. I don't know if his sickness made him run out of energy or if he realized he had to take a step back. But maybe it's a sign of progress.

Do people remember when Wemby used to try to cherry pick after every possession? He'd constantly sprint away when the opposing team got a shot up, and multiple times his man would be the one to get the rebound. It took several games to sort that out. As bad as some things have been this year in terms of his habits, it still hasn't regressed to that point.

It's extremely hard to build anything around a guy who doesn't do anything well. Brazil couldn't name a single thing Wemby actually does repeatably well. He just listed potential things ("He has good vision") that haven't yet translated to anything solid. If Wemby had focused on being an elite PnR big, they could've built their offense around that. If he'd spent time studying how to move without the ball, they could build a screening game where he got midrange curls. When people like Sean talk about how the Spurs have to "play through Wemby", they come off a completely tone deaf to the reality of their star player. There's no way you can build an offense where five guys move with a common purpose if the guy who keeps getting the ball has no idea what he's going to do with it.

I don't know if folks have noticed over the last couple of games that the Spurs have started to move away from Wemby as the PnR screener. It's very possible this is because they want the guy guarded by the opposing center to set the screen. It seems clear to me one of the Spurs' foci coming into the year was to attack the opposing centers to deter cross-matches. That's why Sochan has been so aggressive this year. The reason why it hasn't changed much is that despite having a productive year so far, Sochan has not been particularly efficient. He's using possessions decently but only to a level the opposing coaches can live with. Running 1/4 PnRs rather than 1/5 seems to be another attempt to play into the strategy, with the added benefit of hopefully getting more solid screens. However, I have seen Sochan and Barnes slip screens too, so I wonder how much of Victor's habits on that end are his own inclinations versus what he's legitimately being asked to do by the staff.

There's a knock-on effect from Victor not learning how to play as a center. Because Victor doesn't know how to be a center, the opposing team does not have to put their center on him. Because he's not being guarded by centers, Wemby loses his agility advantage. Because he doesn't know how to be a center, he can't take advantage of the massive height difference. Because he doesn't have anything he can really do at that point, he panics. Teams know all this now and send guys at him. It's not because they don't respect the other guys on the court. It's because they know Wemby has to put the ball on the floor to feel comfortable shooting jump shots, so they can send a guy to dig out his dribble. There's basically no downside to doing that, because Wemby's offense isn't at the point where he can consistently punish that.

I could go on. But this year folks are recognizing the things I was saying last year to a much less receptive crowd. The point of me bringing these things up isn't to trash Wemby or suggest the team trades him. It's to hopefully establish why it takes six or seven years for guys to make it to the top of the mountain. The dude isn't ready -- he's not even meaningfully on the path to becoming ready. While I'm disappointed in the way he's conducted himself on the court at times, I'm not worried about his lack of production. Maturity takes time. It doesn't matter if you're extremely tall and have skills no one that tall has ever shone. He's still a kid, and it takes time. Stop trying to age him up in your head to meet your fantasies. The player he is now and the player he will be when he's ready are very different, and trying to superimpose that actualized player onto the current one and then making demands based on that construct would be foolish.

It's hard to imagine how much worse things would look right now if the team had traded a shit ton of picks for Markkanen. They'd have a guy clearly better than Victor on the court but who can't get touches in any flow because his co-star is jacking up 35-footers and breaking off possessions by running to the post and calling for the ball while a guy a foot shorter than him shoves him 15 feet across for the floor. I suggest the fans who still cling to the notions of Victor being ready to win now take a step back and resist the urge to place his struggles at the feet of his teammates. We already know what it looks like for a player to be limited by bad teammates. Robinson in the 90s, Lebron his first couple of years -- that's what it looks like when a guy his great but the other guys on the floor let him down. He's a guy who fundamentally doesn't know how to score consistently at the NBA level and between him and the coaching staff, he hasn't made tangible progress toward that consistency yet.

[spurraider21]

A lot of blame for everyone but wemby again.

Even though wemby is clearly off to a slow start, a lot of it is self induced. He jacks up 5 3s a game and is only making 19% so far. Yes it’s unusually low, but at some point he has to realize the outside shot isn’t falling and he has to impose his will on defence and shove the bal down their throats in the paint, double and triple team be damned.

He also isn’t passing the ball particularly well. Lots of turnovers as well.

When sochan is out scoring VW, got more assists and have a better 3pt%, there’s a real problem. VW has to take on some, if not most of that blame and take over the game. He hasn’t so far but it’s real early in the season. He started off the season slow last year and I would hate this being a pattern.

He’s not the first superstar to have a bad (shooting) roster around him. The admiral, Kareem in the 70s, Barkley with the 6ers in the late 80s early 90s, Lebron when he was young, wade in the late 00s, jokic now, but these guys all produced. They put up stats even their teams weren’t winning because that’s what superstars do.
his passing vision is often much better than his execution. he'll spot an available skip pass, kind of throw an overhead hook pass and have it sail out of bounds.

[TheBallsbreakers]

I didn't hate the way Victor played for stretches last night. The Spurs made some runs with him on the court when he sat back and let the other guys score points. I don't know if his sickness made him run out of energy or if he realized he had to take a step back. But maybe it's a sign of progress.

Do people remember when Wemby used to try to cherry pick after every possession? He'd constantly sprint away when the opposing team got a shot up, and multiple times his man would be the one to get the rebound. It took several games to sort that out. As bad as some things have been this year in terms of his habits, it still hasn't regressed to that point.

It's extremely hard to build anything around a guy who doesn't do anything well. Brazil couldn't name a single thing Wemby actually does repeatably well. He just listed potential things ("He has good vision") that haven't yet translated to anything solid. If Wemby had focused on being an elite PnR big, they could've built their offense around that. If he'd spent time studying how to move without the ball, they could build a screening game where he got midrange curls. When people like Sean talk about how the Spurs have to "play through Wemby", they come off a completely tone deaf to the reality of their star player. There's no way you can build an offense where five guys move with a common purpose if the guy who keeps getting the ball has no idea what he's going to do with it.

I don't know if folks have noticed over the last couple of games that the Spurs have started to move away from Wemby as the PnR screener. It's very possible this is because they want the guy guarded by the opposing center to set the screen. It seems clear to me one of the Spurs' foci coming into the year was to attack the opposing centers to deter cross-matches. That's why Sochan has been so aggressive this year. The reason why it hasn't changed much is that despite having a productive year so far, Sochan has not been particularly efficient. He's using possessions decently but only to a level the opposing coaches can live with. Running 1/4 PnRs rather than 1/5 seems to be another attempt to play into the strategy, with the added benefit of hopefully getting more solid screens. However, I have seen Sochan and Barnes slip screens too, so I wonder how much of Victor's habits on that end are his own inclinations versus what he's legitimately being asked to do by the staff.

There's a knock-on effect from Victor not learning how to play as a center. Because Victor doesn't know how to be a center, the opposing team does not have to put their center on him. Because he's not being guarded by centers, Wemby loses his agility advantage. Because he doesn't know how to be a center, he can't take advantage of the massive height difference. Because he doesn't have anything he can really do at that point, he panics. Teams know all this now and send guys at him. It's not because they don't respect the other guys on the court. It's because they know Wemby has to put the ball on the floor to feel comfortable shooting jump shots, so they can send a guy to dig out his dribble. There's basically no downside to doing that, because Wemby's offense isn't at the point where he can consistently punish that.

I could go on. But this year folks are recognizing the things I was saying last year to a much less receptive crowd. The point of me bringing these things up isn't to trash Wemby or suggest the team trades him. It's to hopefully establish why it takes six or seven years for guys to make it to the top of the mountain. The dude isn't ready -- he's not even meaningfully on the path to becoming ready. While I'm disappointed in the way he's conducted himself on the court at times, I'm not worried about his lack of production. Maturity takes time. It doesn't matter if you're extremely tall and have skills no one that tall has ever shone. He's still a kid, and it takes time. Stop trying to age him up in your head to meet your fantasies. The player he is now and the player he will be when he's ready are very different, and trying to superimpose that actualized player onto the current one and then making demands based on that construct would be foolish.

It's hard to imagine how much worse things would look right now if the team had traded a shit ton of picks for Markkanen. They'd have a guy clearly better than Victor on the court but who can't get touches in any flow because his co-star is jacking up 35-footers and breaking off possessions by running to the post and calling for the ball while a guy a foot shorter than him shoves him 15 feet across for the floor. I suggest the fans who still cling to the notions of Victor being ready to win now take a step back and resist the urge to place his struggles at the feet of his teammates. We already know what it looks like for a player to be limited by bad teammates. Robinson in the 90s, Lebron his first couple of years -- that's what it looks like when a guy his great but the other guys on the floor let him down. He's a guy who fundamentally doesn't know how to score consistently at the NBA level and between him and the coaching staff, he hasn't made tangible progress toward that consistency yet.
You spend all your time disregarding the evident lack of talent around Wemby and harping on and on about his attitude and limitations (which is becoming evident at this point, I am not denying that though still only 4 games in), while trying to convince this board you are not thrashing the kid.
Maybe you're not, and just congratulating yourself on a supposed prescient prognosis made heretofore?
You have the certitude of an insider. Way to go.

[SayTown]

When Wemby is being guarded by dudes a foot shorter than him why is it so hard to get him down on the block and run four down for him. He wouldn't even need to dribble or jump, all he would have to do is turn around and shoot a six footer like its nothing and then when a big is guarding him he can go on the perimeter and try his best Durant impresenation. He's not the shooter Dirk was so him in the mid post doesn't really threaten teams that much. Pop is probably frustrated with Wemby going off script and doing what he wants that he is just going to let him do what he wants until Wemby realizes that what he's trying to do is not going to work in the NBA, the athletes in this league are too good and strong.

[polandprzem]

Wemby is # 120 in FG%
#70 in PPG

There is not much positives to take from his start to the season, he is unable to produce in more then 30 minutes. In those 30 minutes he has problems with endurance. If there is no aspect that affecting that area at this point I'd fire his S&C coach tbh. 2 most crucial things were not resolved much but as I said we need to wait bit more to conclude.

[Chinook]

You spend all your time disregarding the evident lack of talent around Wemby and harping on and on about his attitude and limitations (which is becoming evident at this point, I am not denying that though still only 4 games in), while trying to convince this board you are not thrashing the kid.
Maybe you're not, and just congratulating yourself on a supposed prescient prognosis made heretofore?
You have the certitude of an insider. Way to go.

I can't imagine coming and thinking it makes sense to repeatedly post "OMG you must think you're so certain". It wasn't a good retort the first time, and it hasn't gotten any better.

I was apoplectic about the Spurs thinking their players were so good that they could punt on a top-10 pick. I wrote many LONG post going over different ways I wanted the team to add talent last summer. I have talked about the Spurs moving on from Pop many times over the last year (someone just bumped a thread from last year in which I've done it a lot). So no, this idea that I disregard the other issues with the team is off-base. What I'm not doing is using those things as excuses for the way Victor plays on the court. A lot of people ascribed a level of experience and understanding to Wemby beyond that of the rest of the players as to basically make him blameless.

Why isn't he getting lobs? It must be because everyone else is too stupid to throw them. It couldn't possibly be that the plays weren't open and that lobs require coordination between the passer and receiver and are initiated by the passer.

Why do players keep stripping him? It must be because the other player suck so badly that opponents keep leaving them. It couldn't possibly be because Wemby is extremely easy to strip once he puts the ball on the floor.

Why can't players enter the ball to Wemby in the post? It must because because the team is so poorly coached that they can't throw a basic entry pass. It couldn't possibly be because Wemby has no sense to when and how to secure position in the post and physically can't hold it long enough to mess up that timing.

Why does Wemby take a bunch of horrible threes? It must be because everyone else sucks so bad that he HAS to take those shots for the Spurs to have any offense. It couldn't possibly be because he just has poor shot selection.

Wemby's a kid, prone to kid mistakes. He's spent years being told he was the messiah and has created an organization around him dedicated to his promotion and domination. He has basically said that he sees his exaltation as a necessary aspect of his team's eventual success. I mean, yeah, it's actually possible that he's going to have to mature beyond his current thinking -- not to no give up on the goals but to synthesize them with the reality playing in the NBA. Me talking about that kind of struggle isn't trashing him, nor is it me creating narratives. It's me seeing him both as a GOAT-level talent and as a young man.

[ambchang]

We can blame the over-eager 20 year old for that or the supposed GOAT coach.

It would be both.

Pop should pull him aside and sit his ass, but wemby should be smart enough to realize he’s making 1 in 5 and stop shooting that shit, park his ass in the post (high or low) and make ground beef out of the defence.

[exstatic]

When Wemby is being guarded by dudes a foot shorter than him why is it so hard to get him down on the block and run four down for him. He wouldn't even need to dribble or jump, all he would have to do is turn around and shoot a six footer like its nothing and then when a big is guarding him he can go on the perimeter and try his best Durant impresenation. He's not the shooter Dirk was so him in the mid post doesn't really threaten teams that much. Pop is probably frustrated with Wemby going off script and doing what he wants that he is just going to let him do what he wants until Wemby realizes that what he's trying to do is not going to work in the NBA, the athletes in this league are too good and strong.

They’re tripling him, that’s why. It’s like when teams would build the wall for Giannis.

[polandprzem]

It would be both.

Pop should pull him aside and sit his ass, but wemby should be smart enough to realize he’s making 1 in 5 and stop shooting that shit, park his ass in the post (high or low) and make ground beef out of the defence.
IMO it looks like Pop is too easy on Wemby. I think there needs to be time to demand from players. It's been babysitting since Generation talent has come.

[TheBallsbreakers]

I can't imagine coming and thinking it makes sense to repeatedly post "OMG you must think you're so certain". It wasn't a good retort the first time, and it hasn't gotten any better.

I was apoplectic about the Spurs thinking their players were so good that they could punt on a top-10 pick. I wrote many LONG post going over different ways I wanted the team to add talent last summer. I have talked about the Spurs moving on from Pop many times over the last year (someone just bumped a thread from last year in which I've done it a lot). So no, this idea that I disregard the other issues with the team is off-base. What I'm not doing is using those things as excuses for the way Victor plays on the court. A lot of people ascribed a level of experience and understanding to Wemby beyond that of the rest of the players as to basically make him blameless.

Why isn't he getting lobs? It must be because everyone else is too stupid to throw them. It couldn't possibly be that the plays weren't open and that lobs require coordination between the passer and receiver and are initiated by the passer.

Why do players keep stripping him? It must be because the other player suck so badly that opponents keep leaving them. It couldn't possibly be because Wemby is extremely easy to strip once he puts the ball on the floor.

Why can't players enter the ball to Wemby in the post? It must because because the team is so poorly coached that they can't throw a basic entry pass. It couldn't possibly be because Wemby has no sense to when and how to secure position in the post and physically can't hold it long enough to mess up that timing.

Why does Wemby take a bunch of horrible threes? It must be because everyone else sucks so bad that he HAS to take those shots for the Spurs to have any offense. It couldn't possibly be because he just has poor shot selection.

Wemby's a kid, prone to kid mistakes. He's spent years being told he was the messiah and has created an organization around him dedicated to his promotion and domination. He has basically said that he sees his exaltation as a necessary aspect of his team's eventual success. I mean, yeah, it's actually possible that he's going to have to mature beyond his current thinking -- not to no give up on the goals but to synthesize them with the reality playing in the NBA. Me talking about that kind of struggle isn't trashing him, nor is it me creating narratives. It's me seeing him both as a GOAT-level talent and as a young man.
Forgive me for not being too familiar with your previous essays on the matter. I withdraw any and all assertions resembling reductive representation/s of your position.
I, too, good sir, will readily admit that the young lad has shortcomings.

[Frenchfred]

Yes, the team around Wemby is not that great but he is the one who wants to play like a guard/SF so he needs to develop a reliable jumpshot. He is several inches taller than everybody else playing at the perimeter so he should be able to shoot over them without his shot being too contested. That is on him.

[Chomag]

I get it that he's still a kid and will make mistakes but still the coaching staff needs to home in on him to prevent the risk of bad habits becoming hardwired into him that might be almost impossible to de-program back out of him. That's why I seem so against Pop's approach of just letting Wemby just figure it out. Wemby is in need some good solid guidance which is needed as well for proper development, and what baffles me about that the most is that wemby seems to be a very coachable type of player and would soak up anything that the right people could teach him.

[playblair]

the media is turning on wembanyama he will as for trade if this continues........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL-lVnzJcOI

[Spurs Homer]

In a few days wemby will get his legs…

and all you pearl clutchers will be praising him again…

just relax, girls

[Brazil]

I didn't hate the way Victor played for stretches last night. The Spurs made some runs with him on the court when he sat back and let the other guys score points. I don't know if his sickness made him run out of energy or if he realized he had to take a step back. But maybe it's a sign of progress.

Do people remember when Wemby used to try to cherry pick after every possession? He'd constantly sprint away when the opposing team got a shot up, and multiple times his man would be the one to get the rebound. It took several games to sort that out. As bad as some things have been this year in terms of his habits, it still hasn't regressed to that point.

It's extremely hard to build anything around a guy who doesn't do anything well. Brazil couldn't name a single thing Wemby actually does repeatably well. He just listed potential things ("He has good vision") that haven't yet translated to anything solid. If Wemby had focused on being an elite PnR big, they could've built their offense around that. If he'd spent time studying how to move without the ball, they could build a screening game where he got midrange curls. When people like Sean talk about how the Spurs have to "play through Wemby", they come off a completely tone deaf to the reality of their star player. There's no way you can build an offense where five guys move with a common purpose if the guy who keeps getting the ball has no idea what he's going to do with it.

I don't know if folks have noticed over the last couple of games that the Spurs have started to move away from Wemby as the PnR screener. It's very possible this is because they want the guy guarded by the opposing center to set the screen. It seems clear to me one of the Spurs' foci coming into the year was to attack the opposing centers to deter cross-matches. That's why Sochan has been so aggressive this year. The reason why it hasn't changed much is that despite having a productive year so far, Sochan has not been particularly efficient. He's using possessions decently but only to a level the opposing coaches can live with. Running 1/4 PnRs rather than 1/5 seems to be another attempt to play into the strategy, with the added benefit of hopefully getting more solid screens. However, I have seen Sochan and Barnes slip screens too, so I wonder how much of Victor's habits on that end are his own inclinations versus what he's legitimately being asked to do by the staff.

There's a knock-on effect from Victor not learning how to play as a center. Because Victor doesn't know how to be a center, the opposing team does not have to put their center on him. Because he's not being guarded by centers, Wemby loses his agility advantage. Because he doesn't know how to be a center, he can't take advantage of the massive height difference. Because he doesn't have anything he can really do at that point, he panics. Teams know all this now and send guys at him. It's not because they don't respect the other guys on the court. It's because they know Wemby has to put the ball on the floor to feel comfortable shooting jump shots, so they can send a guy to dig out his dribble. There's basically no downside to doing that, because Wemby's offense isn't at the point where he can consistently punish that.

I could go on. But this year folks are recognizing the things I was saying last year to a much less receptive crowd. The point of me bringing these things up isn't to trash Wemby or suggest the team trades him. It's to hopefully establish why it takes six or seven years for guys to make it to the top of the mountain. The dude isn't ready -- he's not even meaningfully on the path to becoming ready. While I'm disappointed in the way he's conducted himself on the court at times, I'm not worried about his lack of production. Maturity takes time. It doesn't matter if you're extremely tall and have skills no one that tall has ever shone. He's still a kid, and it takes time. Stop trying to age him up in your head to meet your fantasies. The player he is now and the player he will be when he's ready are very different, and trying to superimpose that actualized player onto the current one and then making demands based on that construct would be foolish.

It's hard to imagine how much worse things would look right now if the team had traded a shit ton of picks for Markkanen. They'd have a guy clearly better than Victor on the court but who can't get touches in any flow because his co-star is jacking up 35-footers and breaking off possessions by running to the post and calling for the ball while a guy a foot shorter than him shoves him 15 feet across for the floor. I suggest the fans who still cling to the notions of Victor being ready to win now take a step back and resist the urge to place his struggles at the feet of his teammates. We already know what it looks like for a player to be limited by bad teammates. Robinson in the 90s, Lebron his first couple of years -- that's what it looks like when a guy his great but the other guys on the floor let him down. He's a guy who fundamentally doesn't know how to score consistently at the NBA level and between him and the coaching staff, he hasn't made tangible progress toward that consistency yet.

so you are saying he is young not ready yet and has a lot of work to do :lol no shit sherlock

[Brazil]

Also you cannot tell what he is doing well on offense last year ? you are comparing him with whom exactly ? other rookies ? NBA all stars ? the entire history of the NBA ?

Victor had 24 games out of 71 with 4 assists or more, 38 games at more than 30 points and shot 32% from 3 which is great for a 7'4 center. Compare him with two of the greatest offensive players in history KD and Lebron, he shot better overall and from 3 than both of them, more offensive rebounds, more assist than KD.. oh and for good measure better Ortg and OBPM than both of them. You can also take an offensive big and compare say one of the greatest... Dirk... have a look at Dirk first season... silly Chinook

He had a very tough start of the season, there is no denial of the struggle but saying it's difficult to build around a guy who does not do anything well is silly to put it midly. You can build around Victor just for his defense :lol Is Victor more difficult to build around than Shaq or Curry or even Lebron... sure... but that's a fucking great problem to have

[RC_Drunkford]

y'all can blame Wemby, but the main thing I see is that we are playing too slow. We had these dry spells where we couldn't score in a half court set last season too, we just made a lot of plays in transition by getting out and running. The Spurs were 9th in fast break points and 3rd in pace last season. Right now with CP3 we're last in fast break points and 28th in pace. We play way too slow and Wemby gets the ball against a set defense. We need more actions in transition. That's the main issue.

[spurraider21]

Also you cannot tell what he is doing well on offense last year ? you are comparing him with whom exactly ? other rookies ? NBA all stars ? the entire history of the NBA ?

Victor had 24 games out of 71 with 4 assists or more, 38 games at more than 30 points and shot 32% from 3 which is great for a 7'4 center. Compare him with two of the greatest offensive players in history KD and Lebron, he shot better overall and from 3 than both of them, more offensive rebounds, more assist than KD.. oh and for good measure better Ortg and OBPM than both of them. You can also take an offensive big and compare say one of the greatest... Dirk... have a look at Dirk first season... silly Chinook

He had a very tough start of the season, there is no denial of the struggle but saying it's difficult to build around a guy who does not do anything well is silly to put it midly. You can build around Victor just for his defense :lol Is Victor more difficult to build around than Shaq or Curry or even Lebron... sure... but that's a fucking great problem to have
uhh... he had 11 such games of 30+ points

he had 38 games wherein he played 30 or more minutes though. odd stat to mix up imo :lol

[exstatic]

uhh... he had 11 such games of 30+ points

he had 38 games wherein he played 30 or more minutes though. odd stat to mix up imo :lol

Potayto, Potahto.

[Pauleta14]

the media is turning on wembanyama he will as for trade if this continues........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL-lVnzJcOI

I want more of this tbh

I want him to be trashed excessively even.

There's no better fuel

(and stop this "he'll ask to leave" nonsense, it's only year 2 and he has no insentive to leave before year 7)

[rjv]

I want more of this tbh

I want him to be trashed excessively even.

There's no better fuel

(and stop this "he'll ask to leave" nonsense, it's only year 2 and he has no insentive to leave before year 7)

four games in. ESPN is the hair-trigger equivalent to ST. and perkins was hired for one reason only. sound bytes.

[Pauleta14]

four games in. ESPN is the hair-trigger equivalent to ST. and perkins was hired for one reason only. sound bytes.

Of course it's trash. I'm not saying it's legit or deserved.

I just want Wemby to be offended

[Frenchfred]

I want more of this tbh

I want him to be trashed excessively even.

There's no better fuel

(and stop this "he'll ask to leave" nonsense, it's only year 2 and he has no insentive to leave before year 7)

I agree. Maybe he let success go to his head and needs a reality check.

By year 2, Kevin Durant was an established consistent shooter. If he wants to model his game after him, he needs to be a better shooter

[Chinook]

so you are saying he is young not ready yet and has a lot of work to do :lol no shit sherlock

First, I wasn't talking to you. I don't mean that to be snide, but every STer has a different opinion on the matter. For some folks, yes, they need a reality check on that matter. There are PLENTY of posters who thought Victor was ready and who were upset at Pop's comments about Jordan and Jokic. So you haven't been expecting Wemby to come in and win right away. Great. You aren't the only person on this forum, man.

Second, yes, it matters are trying to find ways to not come to that conclusion by


Also you cannot tell what he is doing well on offense last year?

No, I'm saying you can't tell me. You still can't. Like for example:


shot 32% from 3 which is great for a 7'4 center.

No, 32 percent is not great. There's no other 32-percent shooter you'd call great. You're attempting to slide in "He shows promise as a shooter" in place of "He's a reliably great shooter", and at best it suggests that you just missed the entire point of what I was saying. We are not talking about if Victor has potential. We are talking about how the Spurs can build a functional offense right now. If your plan is to build it around giving a 32-percent a bunch of looks beyond the arc, then okay. We can discuss that idea of it's (dubious) merits. If instead you're "H-he'll be good. Give him time," then this is my official request to you to get on the actual topic of conversation. We're talking about scheme and how to get Vic quality touches.


Compare him with two of the greatest offensive players in history KD and Lebron, he shot better overall and from 3 than both of them, more offensive rebounds, more assist than KD.. oh and for good measure better Ortg and OBPM than both of them. You can also take an offensive big and compare say one of the greatest... Dirk... have a look at Dirk first season... silly Chinook

Like I get that this is you going off on a tangent, but it's weird that you are trying to cherrypick to make a point about two players who play a completely different position and a big who was not the focal point of his team's offense as a rookie.


He had a very tough start of the season, there is no denial of the struggle but saying it's difficult to build around a guy who does not do anything well is silly to put it midly. You can build around Victor just for his defense :lol Is Victor more difficult to build around than Shaq or Curry or even Lebron... sure... but that's a fucking great problem to have

That you think talking about Wemby's defense has anything to do with the topic is... Well it explains a lot. You're trying to push this fantasy where the arguments you're responding to are these paper-thin strawmen that you can brush aside with superficial answers. The conversation isn't about if Victor sucks, if he has the ability to be a franchise player, or if he's incompetent. The conversation is about repeatable go-to play types that the Spurs can incorporate into an offense. So what does Victor do well consistently enough to make that the basis of an offense? Where does Victor need to ball to do his best work? How is he going to beat his man to get the bucket? Those are questions without answers right now. It's okay that a 20-year-old doesn't have that figured out on an individual level. But then the offense needs to be built around something else, and Victor (and everyone else) has to play their parts within it. Hence why almost of my criticism and praise this year has been about how well he's playing within the flow with his teammates and not about what he stats are like at the end of the game.

[Brazil]

uhh... he had 11 such games of 30+ points

he had 38 games wherein he played 30 or more minutes though. odd stat to mix up imo :lol

:lol mixed up columns 41 games at +20 pts and 38 with 30 + min.. point remains tho

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand what's going on. Why is he shooting so many stupid threes?

[Brazil]

First, I wasn't talking to you. I don't mean that to be snide, but every STer has a different opinion on the matter. For some folks, yes, they need a reality check on that matter. There are PLENTY of posters who thought Victor was ready and who were upset at Pop's comments about Jordan and Jokic. So you haven't been expecting Wemby to come in and win right away. Great. You aren't the only person on this forum, man.

Second, yes, it matters are trying to find ways to not come to that conclusion by



No, I'm saying you can't tell me. You still can't. Like for example:



No, 32 percent is not great. There's no other 32-percent shooter you'd call great. You're attempting to slide in "He shows promise as a shooter" in place of "He's a reliably great shooter", and at best it suggests that you just missed the entire point of what I was saying. We are not talking about if Victor has potential. We are talking about how the Spurs can build a functional offense right now. If your plan is to build it around giving a 32-percent a bunch of looks beyond the arc, then okay. We can discuss that idea of it's (dubious) merits. If instead you're "H-he'll be good. Give him time," then this is my official request to you to get on the actual topic of conversation. We're talking about scheme and how to get Vic quality touches.



Like I get that this is you going off on a tangent, but it's weird that you are trying to cherrypick to make a point about two players who play a completely different position and a big who was not the focal point of his team's offense as a rookie.



That you think talking about Wemby's defense has anything to do with the topic is... Well it explains a lot. You're trying to push this fantasy where the arguments you're responding to are these paper-thin strawmen that you can brush aside with superficial answers. The conversation isn't about if Victor sucks, if he has the ability to be a franchise player, or if he's incompetent. The conversation is about repeatable go-to play types that the Spurs can incorporate into an offense. So what does Victor do well consistently enough to make that the basis of an offense? Where does Victor need to ball to do his best work? How is he going to beat his man to get the bucket? Those are questions without answers right now. It's okay that a 20-year-old doesn't have that figured out on an individual level. But then the offense needs to be built around something else, and Victor (and everyone else) has to play their parts within it. Hence why almost of my criticism and praise this year has been about how well he's playing within the flow with his teammates and not about what he stats are like at the end of the game.

first yes I indeed am saying since well before the draft that developing Victor will take time and thinking he will be ready right away to win is silly.

for the rest you make no sense about he does nothing well on offense after a first rookie season. He did better on offense than most of the best offensive players of all time in their first season. So your whole point is to say he is a rookie and he still has no Hakeem and dirk moves… yeah no shit Sherlock

[Chinook]

first yes I indeed am saying since well before the draft that developing Victor will take time and thinking he will be ready right away to win is silly.

That's fine. You can have that opinion. On this matter, I share that opinion. Not everyone has that opinion, and I talk to those people sometimes too. It shouldn't be hard to recognize the difference between "I don't personally think that way" and "Nobody thinks that way".


for the rest you make no sense about he does nothing well on offense after a first rookie season.

It's clear as day you didn't actually read the post, because you're still using the misunderstood interpretation that you used two posts ago. It's pretty easy for something to not make sense if you don't read it.

[mudyez]

5x5 again

[Thomas82]

He got a 5x5 tonight.....excellent way to bounce back!!

[Brazil]

That's fine. You can have that opinion. On this matter, I share that opinion. Not everyone has that opinion, and I talk to those people sometimes too. It shouldn't be hard to recognize the difference between "I don't personally think that way" and "Nobody thinks that way".


It's clear as day you didn't actually read the post, because you're still using the misunderstood interpretation that you used two posts ago. It's pretty easy for something to not make sense if you don't read it.

I read it I disagree with your he doesn’t do anything very well in offense, it does not make sense to say that after a single season. I disagree for instance with your 32% is shit, in a rookie context for a big it’s great. You speak absolute I speak relative.

[Thomas82]

Wemby became just the 3rd player to ever get a 5x5 multiple times. The other 2 are Hakeem Olajuwon (6) and Andrei Kirilenko (3).

[Rosewood]

Wemby became just the 3rd player to ever get a 5x5 multiple times. The other 2 are Hakeem Olajuwon (6) and Andrei Kirilenko (3). Actually a crazy stat.. you’d think there would be more. Draymond for instance. Lots of swiss army knifes over the years.

[Thomas82]

Actually a crazy stat.. you’d think there would be more. Draymond for instance. Lots of swiss army knifes over the years.

The crazy thing about Wemby is that he got his first 2 within his first 2 seasons. He's still not even old enough to drink yet.

[TheBallsbreakers]

The crazy thing about Wemby is that he got his first 2 within his first 2 seasons. He's still not even old enough to drink yet.
Isn't he? He's 20

[NASpurs]

So... they approve it


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[spurraider21]

Isn't he? He's 20
Drinking age is 21 in the states

[tim_duncan_fan]

Isn't he? He's 20

Not in his current country of employment lol

[Ice009]

He got a 5x5 tonight.....excellent way to bounce back!!

That's great. I'm happy he had a great overall game (how many times has Victor had a 5x5 game?), but man, when the game started and he took 5 threes in the first 4 minutes, I'm like WTF is this guy doing. Very defiant. Kobe Bryant like IMO. I'm not sure about what he is choosing to do on offense taking so many three pointers. I hope Victor shoves them down my throat and proves me wrong, but I think it's a bit over the top shooting so many threes as the main focus of his offense.

Edit : Just saw the video where Pop wants him taking so many three points. Not sure how to respond to that.

[Ignazzz]

Easy. Hidden tank

[Limguogolo]

Wemby shots threes like a Pop corn machine.

The arena should offer a free serving of popcorn every time Victor attempts more than ten three-pointers per game. With the crowd chanting "Three Corn! Three Corn!"


(Let us at least find some meaning in seeing all these shots, none of which resemble any other.)

[Rummpd]

Have not posted for awhile, but I was beginning to wonder as a sports medicine trained doctor if something might be wrong physically with Wemby not out in the public, but he bounced back in a big way and looked good out there. Now lets see if he can sustain this type of level for a streak of games. Pulling for the young man who seems to have great character and the team.

[exstatic]

Have not posted for awhile, but I was beginning to wonder as a sports medicine trained doctor if something might be wrong physically with Wemby not out in the public, but he bounced back in a big way and looked good out there. Now lets see if he can sustain this type of level for a streak of games. Pulling for the young man who seems to have great character and the team.

He was sick for both Houston games, upper respiratory infection of some type. He acknowledged it after the second game, and people went back and watched the presser from the first game, and he was coughing there, too.

[Raven]

still waiting for that quintuple double

[exstatic]

still waiting for that quintuple double

That probably won’t ever happen, but I think a quad double is in his future.

[exstatic]

Wait, where are all of the pundits falling all over themselves to say he’s back? Isn’t that how it works? Reevaluate the players futures every game?

[Pauleta14]

Actually a crazy stat.. you’d think there would be more. Draymond for instance. Lots of swiss army knifes over the years.

Not really.

4X5 are the ones you think about I think

5x5 is almost impossible bc guys who are good shot blocking aren't in the best position to make steals and vice versa.

You need a really unique type of player to do it repeatedly (like Hakeem or AK47)

[Pauleta14]

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And he's right

A few of us have said it already, 3s will allow him to have a longer career and spread the floor even more than his teammates.

It could get ugly some days but big picture it's still fine

[Mr. Body]

I don't mind him taking threes throughout a game, although he needs to actually hit them and know when to take them. Starting a game with five threes while the defense gets to stand around and watch while piling on the points on the other end -- that ain't working.

[Thomas82]

Isn't he? He's 20

Maybe in France, but definitely not in the US.

[MannyIsGod]

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No shit they approve it otherwise he wouldn't be doing it! This has been my point for a fucking year with this shit.

[MannyIsGod]

Wait, where are all of the pundits falling all over themselves to say he’s back? Isn’t that how it works? Reevaluate the players futures every game?

Uh which pundits said he was gone? Pretty sure no pundit gave up on him after one bad game.

[MannyIsGod]

And he's right

A few of us have said it already, 3s will allow him to have a longer career and spread the floor even more than his teammates.

It could get ugly some days but big picture it's still fine

The people who think that being a high volume inefficient shooter is somehoe going to extend Wembys career are beyond delusional. If Wemby is shooting 30% for 3 there's no justification for shooting so many fucking 3s. It's wasteful af and I am 100% certain his next coach isn't having it.

[Spurs Homer]

Let me spell out the future for all you nervous nellies trying to rein in wembys decisions on the court and your mistaken armchair amateur quarterbacking….

(clutching pearlz) “he is no curry!…..”he is no durant!” “He needs to stay near the basket!”

In the very near future wemby will out-curry curry from deep…he will be curry and then some from deep

wemby will out-durant durant…

wemby will also dominate inside under the basket, near the basket, he will out-big man ALL big men

so relax and enjoy the ride and stop trying to turn a multi-dimensional unicorn into a limited one dimensional tall guy that fits YOUR imagination…

or LACK of imagination.

[exstatic]

the media is turning on wembanyama he will as for trade if this continues........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL-lVnzJcOI

Here you go, Manny.

[CGD]

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Don’t hate it but in that case Vic really needs to be in the high 30%. It’s the only way the opposing team will send size out to guard him, in turn opening up the floor for others.

Maybe Sochan turns into this, but if this is the strategy it makes me wonder if a post dominant big like a Según/Vuc could actually make sense up front with Vic down the road.

[exstatic]

Don’t hate it but in that case Vic really needs to be in the high 30%. It’s the only way the opposing team will send size out to guard him, in turn opening up the floor for others.

Maybe Sochan turns into this, but if this is the strategy it makes me wonder if a post dominant big like a Según/Vuc could actually make sense up front with Vic down the road.
He really doesn’t. Brook Lopez was considered a high level floor spacing big and shot 34.8% for his career. Anything in the 34-35% area would be fine.

[Frenchfred]

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For me, that shows that they don't care about winning this year. They know that the team is still a lottery bound team so they let Victor play how he wants to keep him happy while developing his ability to play pick and roll with CP and developing Castle and hope to have a good lottery pick.

[Pauleta14]

The people who think that being a high volume inefficient shooter is somehoe going to extend Wembys career are beyond delusional. If Wemby is shooting 30% for 3 there's no justification for shooting so many fucking 3s. It's wasteful af and I am 100% certain his next coach isn't having it.

Not what I said

Of course it can't keep going like it is now, I'm talking big picture/long term

There will be games where he shoots too many 3s, like every stars in the league have. My point is he has to find his comfort zone and for that he needs to practice it in game.

Once the roster is composed of real talents he won't have to do it as much. Right now i'd rather him to take those

[Pauleta14]

For me, that shows that they don't care about winning this year. They know that the team is still a lottery bound team so they let Victor play how he wants to keep him happy while developing his ability to play pick and roll with CP and developing Castle and hope to have a good lottery pick.

I agree.

You can add that to the list, keeping basically the same worst roster of all time was also an indication tbh ^^

Wemby is using games to train and find his game and we just need to let him do his thing and stop with impossible comps.

Imo the only area where Pop is stricked with him is his defense and tbh it's been good even in his bad games.

[exstatic]

I agree.

You can add that to the list, keeping basically the same worst roster of all time was also an indication tbh ^^

Wemby is using games to train and find his game and we just need to let him do his thing and stop with impossible comps.

Imo the only area where Pop is stricked with him is his defense and tbh it's been good even in his bad games.

HOFer Chris Paul and vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

[Leetonidas]

HOFer Chris Paul and vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

"Basically"

[exstatic]

"Basically"

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quantity. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

[baseline bum]

In the very near future wemby will out-curry curry from deep…he will be curry and then some from deep


Curry shot nearly 44% from the three at Victor's age.

[Spurs Homer]

Curry shot nearly 44% from the three at Victor's age.

Curry is not 7'5''

Wemby is not Curry. He will be a better Curry.

Sure, you can cut his legs now and force him under the basket into what YOU believe he should be or you can allow him (the way Pop is allowing him) to go thru his growing pains and become unstoppable from anywhere on the court.

Force him to stay near the basket and only shoot what makes YOU comfortable - is another way of saying.
"lets make defenses comfortable and only worry about defending wemby near the rim by putting 3 defenders on him to push him out"

or

allow him to be a long distance threat
a mid-level threat
a low post threat....

Wemby is all three and nervous spurs fans with zero imagination need to chill.

[Chinook]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get Wemby out of the perimeter to protect his handle? That might sound weird, because you have to dribble more to get to the basket. However, spacing is better the farther out you go and Wemby doesn't need many step (and thus dribbles) to get into the paint. So if Wemby can pull a center out to the three-point line and then get around him, it's probably one dribble until he's in scoring position. We saw someone like that against Chet in that sequence surrounding the still someone posted after the OKC game. Basically, Wemby took the board, brought the ball past half-court with Chet on him, and drove past Chet. OKC doubled (they didn't triple or quadruple him like some suggested). The normal way to respond to that would be to pass to Branham and start the wing to Barnes. However, with Wemby's height, he should have no problem throwing the skip pass directly to Barnes over the head of the defense. So in a better executed version of that, Barnes gets a wide-open three created by Wemby's penetration and OKC becomes that much more reluctant to send help.

If this is the plan, you can see why the Spurs have placed so much emphasis on trying to deter teams from cross-guarding. That plan to iso Wemby on the perimeter really doesn't work well against a forward who's competent at defense. But as mentioned a bunch recently, Sochan isn't going to force the switch. That's why I'm sort of wondering why the Spurs aren't trying to run 4/5 and 5/4 PnRs between Sochan and Wembanyama to encourage the opponent to switch back. If they go over the screen, you get the crack of daylight for a drive. If they go under, you can just rescreen or shoot. If they switch, then you have the matchup you want. If they pull a Brooks and just pull the screener out of the way to stay with their man, then you complain to the refs because that shit's a foul.

My preferred adjustment is to not have Wemby on the ball and build around him being a screener. However, if you're going to both have Wemby on the perimeter and also play him at center, then you're going to have to be much more creative in how you help him get better touches more consistently. It's okay to try stuff and have that stuff fail. But you have to be willing to actual try those things.

[Pauleta14]

FOURTY YEARS OLD HOFer Chris Paul and 32 YO vet Harrison Barnes have entered the chat…

FIFY

[J_Paco]

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quantity. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

Plus adding another top 5 lottery pick, but some folks unrealistically expect roster turnover to be immediate.

That won't/can't happen with guaranteed contracts & trying to keep most of your draft capital.

[Pauleta14]

Sorry. Two new starters makes a huge difference. We would legit be 0-5 without those two new players. Sometimes, it’s about quality, not quantity. Adding them was a sea change, not just two new roster guys.

Of course they're an important additon but let's not act as if Cp3 will look as good vs top teams than vs the Jazz

Overall 2 vets won't move the needle, it just compensates what should've been available to Wemby last season for his development.

It's the elephant in the room effect. It's an obvious tanking season to me

[exstatic]

FIFY

So? They’re miles better than the younger Cedi and Barlow that they replaced. No one thinks they’re the future, but they are a MAJOR POSITIVE CHANGE to this roster. We would be 0-5 r/n without them.

[Pauleta14]

So? They’re miles better than the younger Cedi and Barlow that they replaced. No one thinks they’re the future, but they are a MAJOR POSITIVE CHANGE to this roster. We would be 0-5 r/n without them.


Yes I agree on every point u made, all I said was that PATFO brought the same roster that showed absurd BBIQ, playmaking, passing and shooting limitations ALL SEASON LONG

Those guys, that even according to local medias, the staff were stunned by their limitations, are still here with a lot of playing time. It's just a fact.

To me it's not a sign of "winning now" contrary to what Pop said (he said the same shit a year ago btw. No idea why we even take his words seriously)

Look, I'm guilty as much as anyone to have thought that maybe we'd be ambitious this season, but we're fans, that's what we do.

PATFO is 10000% soft tanking this season

[MannyIsGod]

Here you go, Manny.


None of them say that Wemby isn't great, they say he shouldn't be facing up at the 3 point line against guards which is 100% right. Did you watch it?

[MannyIsGod]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get Wemby out of the perimeter to protect his handle? That might sound weird, because you have to dribble more to get to the basket. However, spacing is better the farther out you go and Wemby doesn't need many step (and thus dribbles) to get into the paint. So if Wemby can pull a center out to the three-point line and then get around him, it's probably one dribble until he's in scoring position. We saw someone like that against Chet in that sequence surrounding the still someone posted after the OKC game. Basically, Wemby took the board, brought the ball past half-court with Chet on him, and drove past Chet. OKC doubled (they didn't triple or quadruple him like some suggested). The normal way to respond to that would be to pass to Branham and start the wing to Barnes. However, with Wemby's height, he should have no problem throwing the skip pass directly to Barnes over the head of the defense. So in a better executed version of that, Barnes gets a wide-open three created by Wemby's penetration and OKC becomes that much more reluctant to send help.

If this is the plan, you can see why the Spurs have placed so much emphasis on trying to deter teams from cross-guarding. That plan to iso Wemby on the perimeter really doesn't work well against a forward who's competent at defense. But as mentioned a bunch recently, Sochan isn't going to force the switch. That's why I'm sort of wondering why the Spurs aren't trying to run 4/5 and 5/4 PnRs between Sochan and Wembanyama to encourage the opponent to switch back. If they go over the screen, you get the crack of daylight for a drive. If they go under, you can just rescreen or shoot. If they switch, then you have the matchup you want. If they pull a Brooks and just pull the screener out of the way to stay with their man, then you complain to the refs because that shit's a foul.

My preferred adjustment is to not have Wemby on the ball and build around him being a screener. However, if you're going to both have Wemby on the perimeter and also play him at center, then you're going to have to be much more creative in how you help him get better touches more consistently. It's okay to try stuff and have that stuff fail. But you have to be willing to actual try those things.

I have no idea why our offense isn't built around screens that free Wemby for mid range jumpers he can feast on. It would open so much for this team.

[Chinook]

I have no idea why our offense isn't built around screens that free Wemby for mid range jumpers he can feast on. It would open so much for this team.

That would be much easier to achieve in a two-big lineup (a big reason why we saw it so much during the pre-season in 2023 and early season but didn't see it much going forward), but it's still worth trying with Sochan, Barnes and Johnson all being big enough to set legit screens. But that would encourage Wemby to be an off-ball player ala Belinelli, and that's not in the cards apparently.

[polandprzem]

Wemby is on 160 place in NBA in 3pt%

To improve that gonna be easy :)

[Brazil]

Wemby is on 160 place in NBA in 3pt%

To improve that gonna be easy :)

:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/_8UIuf_0b2E?si=eoNa2_TUCDxG0b9F

[Seventyniner]

https://youtu.be/_8UIuf_0b2E?si=eoNa2_TUCDxG0b9F

Good video, even better comments. Though I had to turn my volume way down.


@wizzroz4362
1 hour ago
wembanyama’s greatness will UNITE PALESTINE AND ISRAEL vs. Jazz

@TakeaSwigofTheJuice
1 hour ago
I was pulled from the stands at halftime and registered 10 assists playing with the future MVP VICTOR WEMBENYAMA

@foreverisamightylongtime
1 hour ago
VICTOR WEMBANYAMA WILL REVEAL VICTORIA'S SECRET VS JAZZ

@chrilpy
1 hour ago
VICTOR WEMBANYAMA will unite the Korean Peninsula vs JAZZ

[spurraider21]

drop coverage good now

[exstatic]

https://youtu.be/_8UIuf_0b2E?si=eoNa2_TUCDxG0b9F

I guess he’s back on his meds. Lauding Wemby’s drop coverage after ripping Pop last week for running…checks notes…drop coverage with Wemby. :lol

[spurraider21]

I guess he’s back on his meds. Lauding Wemby’s drop coverage after ripping Pop last week for running…checks notes…drop coverage with Wemby. :lol
yeah i mean, drop coverage isn't "bad" its a question of whether you have the personnel for it.

i've noticed quite a bit in recent games that collins has regularly been hedging hard on screens, whereas wemby typically drops. asking collins to play drop is pretty dumb. you need someone with legit length and timing. milwaukee ran it a lot with brook lopez to great success as well.

[RC_Drunkford]

going away from Collins playing drop is the main reason our defense is better. Wemby can always play drop because of his length.

[Raven]

Not really.

4X5 are the ones you think about I think

5x5 is almost impossible bc guys who are good shot blocking aren't in the best position to make steals and vice versa.

You need a really unique type of player to do it repeatedly (like Hakeem or AK47)
victor is in a very weird spot, in that he is so tall that many blocks can be classified as steals

[Pauleta14]

victor is in a very weird spot, in that he is so tall that many blocks can be classified as steals

I thought last season that they missed a cple blocks but actually preventing a block is indeed a steal (at 8' high :lol) even if it looks like a bock.

[lefty]

:lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/j8sgDLpVF_0?si=NdifOOVJS3V560tW

[couchman]

I’ve seen enough of this season to say that Wemby’s game has regressed offensively.
I don’t know who decided to have him shoot 3s like he’s Dame or Steph but that’s not who he is or will ever be.
Meanwhile his attempts to play on the elbow or in the post look worse than ever.
He doesn’t seem to know where to be in the floor.
His PnR game remains weak.
His added weight seems to have slowed him down without gaining anything inside.
He’s building absolutely horrible habits and I don’t see a primary playmaker emerging.
His ceiling remains as high as anyone in the league but he desperately needs some hard coaching.

[ambchang]

Part of it is also the way the Spurs run their offence. When you look at the shot chart, 45% of Wemby's FGs are threes! 7'4" and almost half of them are threes, but that really isn't that much of an anomaly on the Spurs, Collins is at 44%, Mamu at 50%. The Spurs seems to like their bigs shooting these threes at a high rate.

The bigger problem is that Wemby is shooting 13% of his FGA from 16 to 3pt line, which is the least desirable spot. #2 on the team behind CP3 who is at 15%. The difference is that CP3 is nailing it at a 56% clip, while Wemby is at 29%.

Wemby is also shooting an anemic 27% from 3-10, but he is shooting 83% at the 0-3 range, and 71% at the 10-16 range (on very low attempts).

Which goes to the point, Wemby should either post up or do pick and rolls with CP3 all game long, those are shots he almost can't miss. He should also operate at the high elbows and shoot over those midgets guarding him (well, midgets by his standards). There is a rather clear path for Wemby to dominate on offence, his skills and physique is a cheat code, and he is making it way too easy for defence to stop him. Stop those stupid 3s with 21 seconds left on the shot clock, stop driving into the teeth of the defence and get the ball stripped.

Not surprisingly, Wemby is at 0.0 OWS right now, just break even, ranking 6th on the team. And even less surprisingly, the one leading the Spurs in OWS is Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes. We need these vets to show the kids how to play smart, winning basketball. So Wemby, :pop: get over yourself and learn from these vets.

[DAF86]

Part of it is also the way the Spurs run their offence. When you look at the shot chart, 45% of Wemby's FGs are threes! 7'4" and almost half of them are threes, but that really isn't that much of an anomaly on the Spurs, Collins is at 44%, Mamu at 50%. The Spurs seems to like their bigs shooting these threes at a high rate.

The bigger problem is that Wemby is shooting 13% of his FGA from 16 to 3pt line, which is the least desirable spot. #2 on the team behind CP3 who is at 15%. The difference is that CP3 is nailing it at a 56% clip, while Wemby is at 29%.

Wemby is also shooting an anemic 27% from 3-10, but he is shooting 83% at the 0-3 range, and 71% at the 10-16 range (on very low attempts).

Which goes to the point, Wemby should either post up or do pick and rolls with CP3 all game long, those are shots he almost can't miss. He should also operate at the high elbows and shoot over those midgets guarding him (well, midgets by his standards). There is a rather clear path for Wemby to dominate on offence, his skills and physique is a cheat code, and he is making it way too easy for defence to stop him. Stop those stupid 3s with 21 seconds left on the shot clock, stop driving into the teeth of the defence and get the ball stripped.

Not surprisingly, Wemby is at 0.0 OWS right now, just break even, ranking 6th on the team. And even less surprisingly, the one leading the Spurs in OWS is Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes. We need these vets to show the kids how to play smart, winning basketball. So Wemby, :pop: get over yourself and learn from these vets.

According to CP3, Pop told him to get Wemby the ball when he's facing the basket, and not on post ups.

[LeBowen]

According to CP3, Pop told him to get Wemby the ball when he's facing the basket, and not on post ups.

And Wemby surely wouldn't be chucking a dozen 3pts if he wasn't instructed to do so.
His decision making obviously has to be better, but Wemby isn't a player who would go against the coach's wishes.
They obivously see something we don't, we'll see how things develop.
Worst case scenario, we get another top5 pick.

[exstatic]

It’s easier to show a young player what not to do, let them learn, than to just tell them. We’re neither contenders or a playoff team. Dropping some games this year won’t matter.

[RC_Drunkford]

"shooting 3s is part of my game and I will keep shooting and I will make them"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fLOG4c83oQ

[Vince Carter's ankle]

"shooting 3s is part of my game and I will keep shooting and I will make them"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fLOG4c83oQ
maybe his bbiq isn't very high
look at his first three of the game (https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022400168&PlayerID=1641705&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612759&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
he turned towards the stands and it reminds me of that Nick Young moment
he already has a reduced number of free throws
is it possible to be high effecient first option with 4 free throws per game?

[TheBallsbreakers]

Pfffttt. He'll be fine. Not worried one bit.
Man up, you pusillanimous lads.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

He’s very soft right now. He’s shooting terribly and has no post moves or physicality whatsoever. He makes sochan look like prime Kevin McHale

[itzsoweezee]

He’s very soft right now. He’s shooting terribly and has no post moves or physicality whatsoever. He makes sochan look like prime Kevin McHale

He doesn’t need physicality or post moves. This isn’t 2003. He just needs to be more active, at the very least move without the ball and put pressure in the paint.

[Pauleta14]

Frenchfred and Bruno (or any other french posters), can you hear the name of the french prospect the last french journalist ask Wemby about?

thx

[Pauleta14]

Pfffttt. He'll be fine. Not worried one bit.
Man up, you pusillanimous lads.

Of course he will

Not a huge fan of is apparent satisfaction with his production tho

I'd have prefered to see him pissed tbh

[Vince Carter's ankle]

has no post moves
he has quick spin, one dribble spin, face up, step through, drop step, fade away

[Spurs Homer]

Someday you guys will get over the fact that wemby is a perimeter player and that’s that….

[Bruno]

Frenchfred and Bruno (or any other french posters), can you hear the name of the french prospect the last french journalist ask Wemby about?

thx

They're talking about Maxime Raynaud who is currently playing in NCAA for Stanford.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Someday you guys will get over the fact that wemby is a perimeter player and that’s that….
KD, Shai and Kawhi are also perimeter players and they shoot a lot from midrange instead of throwing another brick form the logo every game

[NASpurs]

Someday you guys will get over the fact that wemby is a perimeter player and that’s that….

You're a fucking retard

[Pauleta14]

They're talking about Maxime Raynaud who is currently playing in NCAA for Stanford.

Merci l'ami!

How do you rate him?

[Frenchfred]

"shooting 3s is part of my game and I will keep shooting and I will make them"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fLOG4c83oQ

So start making them; taking as many 3s as Curry should only happen if you are as good as Curry. Plus many 3s means that there is 7'4 who is not in the paint trying to grab a rebound, plus it also less likely to be fouled.

[Pauleta14]

Maybe we should just stop assuming Wemby and PATFO are on the same page, but they know how to keep it "in house"?

Just wondering but so many things don't make any sense, this theory starts to have legs for me.

I'm pretty sure they've been trying to convince him to lean toward traditional big man role + his own versatility when he's refusing because "he's unique blabla..."

Wemby has all the leverage bc of what he means for the Franchise and Pop has lost the dog in him and is just coasting carpe diem style

[Spurs Homer]

You're a fucking retard

did you watch the last pop post game interview?

pop was asked about wemby shooting so many threes and was he ok with it?

pop said absolutely and stated wemby is a perimeter player and that’s that

fucking retard

[NASpurs]

did you watch the last pop post game interview?

pop was asked about wemby shooting so many threes and was he ok with it?

pop said absolutely and stated wemby is a perimeter player and that’s that

fucking retard

You act like I give a shit what some dude that's approaching 80 says :lol

Some dude named Spurs Homer is a sheeple? Go to reddit and go back to sucking each other off

[NASpurs]

:cry Pop says something so it's gospel and infallible. Five rings bitches :cry

Sniffers are funny and apparently can't think for themselves.

[timtonymanu]

Wemby’s kind of a fraud right now. :lol

If dude loves the 3 pointer so much, he should have just been drafted with Houston.

Bullshit mentality tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

Love this segment from ESPN. Wemby shooting 25% on jump shots, worst in the NBA of players with 50+ attempts. I guess he‘s pounding the rock :lol


https://youtu.be/AOnHHQxFVNo?si=dM4cGHtUkGjUE5f5

[Spurs Homer]

You act like I give a shit what some dude that's approaching 80 says :lol

Some dude named Spurs Homer (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52221) is a sheeple? Go to reddit and go back to sucking each other off

lol

too bad you cannot see wemby for what he is…


sucks for you he wont be changed into a one dimensional tall dude

[spurraider21]

:cry Pop says something so it's gospel and infallible. Five rings bitches :cry

Sniffers are funny and apparently can't think for themselves.
wtf are you even whining about at this point?

people are asking why wemby is shooting so many 3's

pop said he wants him to keep shooting them

many people here disagree with that plan, but it turns out that it is, in fact, the plan. so what is your issue?

[NASpurs]

wtf are you even whining about at this point?

people are asking why wemby is shooting so many 3's

pop said he wants him to keep shooting them

many people here disagree with that plan, but it turns out that it is, in fact, the plan. so what is your issue?

Huh?

Go read what that idiot I've been replying to has said in the past.

Dude thinks Wemby is going to turn into Curry.

[spurraider21]

Huh?

Go read what that idiot I've been replying to has said in the past.

Dude thinks Wemby is going to turn into Curry.
ive had spurshomer on ignore for several years now, i dont read anything he says.

with that said, its true that pop has said wemby is a perimeter player and thats how they are treating him. wemby himself has also said he will continue shooting a lot of 3's. so it seems to be not only something vic wants to keep doing, but what the staff thinks he should be doing as well

[NASpurs]

ive had spurshomer on ignore for several years now, i dont read anything he says.

:lol I don't have anyone on ignore but I can see why you have them there. The reddit takes are leaking in here.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Loving the pussified reactions here as always.
You all piling on the kid right now.
Would be great for someone to compile a list of all of you'se and then rightly see you eat crow once the shots start falling.

[TheBallsbreakers]

You act like I give a shit what some dude that's approaching 80 says :lol

Some dude named Spurs Homer (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52221) is a sheeple? Go to reddit and go back to sucking each other off
It's asinine for you to think that the world ought to value your opinion more than the actual head coach of the team.

[Bruno]

Merci l'ami!

How do you rate him?

espn has him ranked 74th on their 2025 draft big board:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/41662748/2025-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-top-100-prospects-players

I haven't really seen him play but from what I've seen/read, he is fine prospect: 7ft tall with good skills and a decent mobility.

If you remember that, the Wemby's hype started with a video of him playing against Gobert in 2020 while he was 16 years old. This practice/scrimmage was in fact a 2vs2, it was Gobert and Vincent Poirier versus Wembanyama and Raynaud.

[itzsoweezee]

Love this segment from ESPN. Wemby shooting 25% on jump shots, worst in the NBA of players with 50+ attempts. I guess he‘s pounding the rock :lol


https://youtu.be/AOnHHQxFVNo?si=dM4cGHtUkGjUE5f5

Wemby was also the worst shooter in the league last season. He obviously should keep shooting, but there seems to be no improvement or intention behind his shooting. Like, your shot isn’t going to get better simply by jacking up more, especially if you actually care about winning basketball games.

Maybe the worst legacy of last season was Pop’s message that winning doesn’t matter. It’s more important to experiment

[Brazil]

Wemby was also the worst shooter in the league last season.

what ?

[Pauleta14]

what ?

ST ... :lol

On a serious note, Wemby finished last season with the highest step back 3 % in the league (!!) and I've barely seen a handfull of those this season.

Add that to the list of weird and impossible to compehend stuff about Wemby's season

[itzsoweezee]

ST ... :lol

On a serious note, Wemby finished last season with the highest step back 3 % in the league (!!) and I've barely seen a handfull of those this season.

Add that to the list of weird and impossible to compehend stuff about Wemby's season

Yes, be serious and look at the stats. He was a horrible shooter outside the paint given the volume of shots he took. Jordan Poole-esque

[Brazil]

Yes, be serious and look at the stats. He was a horrible shooter outside the paint given the volume of shots he took. Jordan Poole-esque

so he was not the worst of the league ?

[Pauleta14]

Yes, be serious and look at the stats. He was a horrible shooter outside the paint given the volume of shots he took. Jordan Poole-esque

Oh definitely, he's been overall quite bad (still better % on 3s than Luka or KD's rookie seasons tho ;)

My point was just specifically on the step back 3s that, was the highest in the league with a decent number of shot taken.

It's not nothing, it's one of the rare areas where we was elite from the get go.

Why has he stopped taking them?

Why nobody (media) is asking him about it?

Edit / I sound like a conspiracy theorist, don't I? :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

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[playbonner15]

1702446457305846088

Has anything happened to this? As much as I hate those LMA jumpshots before, it's much better than seeing Wemby chuck 3s. I'm just hoping Wemby gets to the level of 2011 Dirk's efficiency

[spursparker9]

Man....was it Woj or who that said some believe Wemby will be the best player on both ends of the floor by his 3rd or 4th year

[lefty]

https://x.com/bballforever_/status/1854298323169276154

[lefty]

Has anything happened to this?

Sours tapped on the 3 dots of the tweet and then tapped on “not interested”

[ambchang]

https://x.com/bballforever_/status/1854298323169276154

In 92-93 I remembered the admiral having more blocks than something like 11 teams by mid season or some crazy crap like that. He got injured that year but still averaged more blocks than 6 or 7 teams.

[Frenchfred]

https://x.com/bballforever_/status/1854298323169276154

probably has more missing threes than many NBA teams

[RC_Drunkford]

blocking shots is about the only thing he's good at right now tbh

[Pauleta14]

Even Rockets announcers where surprised by Wemby's lack of conditioning during the game.

Why is he (or at least seems) weaker in year 2??

Another point that draws zero interest from the local medias

[Spurs Homer]

Unbelievable how stupid spurstalk posters are…lol

zollins, branham, wesley

are on this team and getting minutes….yet you clowns are shitting on wemby….hahahahahahaha!

[TheBallsbreakers]

Loving the continued badassery on defense.

[Seventyniner]

Man....was it Woj or who that said some believe Wemby will be the best player on both ends of the floor by his 3rd or 4th year

Looking like he was half right so far.

If Wemby can somehow unlock a decent 3 point percentage, maybe 35%, the other half could come true too.

[skin27]

I really thought wemby will be fired up and play like an MVP this season because of what happened in the olympics but i was wrong.

[Leetonidas]

I really thought wemby will be fired up and play like an MVP this season because of what happened in the olympics but i was wrong.

For real. He's playing like a big soft vagina so far. What happened to his killer instinct? Dudes been coasting

[scott]

1854515899862319515

This makes me feel a little better about his bad start on the offensive end.

[Cardinal]

The excellent increase in free throw percentage makes me hopeful that Wemby will figure out his jump shot soon enough

[skin27]

1854515899862319515

This makes me feel a little better about his bad start on the offensive end.

the only thing he does better is blocking and his freethrow shooting. If somehow he learns how to get to the freethrowline on a consistent basis or atleast 8 freethrow attempts a game his scroring output will increase significantly.

[spursparker9]

His FT look really smooth. 90% FT shooters are usually great 3 points shooter also.

Wemby need to be smart about his 3s selection. He just look gassed and not in a very fit condition to be look so much 3s.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

He's over hyped garbage because he's over 7ft. Hologram is much better.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

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This makes me feel a little better about his bad start on the offensive end.

They should compare it to his last 8 games of last year.
24.4 ppg, 11.8 rebounds, 4.5 blocks, 47/33/79

[djohn2oo8]

Looking like he was half right so far.

If Wemby can somehow unlock a decent 3 point percentage, maybe 35%, the other half could come true too.
He’s 7’6. He needs to play in the paint first.

[John B]

He’s 7’6. He needs to play in the paint first.

He’s 225 lbs stick. I’m not sure he’ll ever be a post up player with those skinny legs.

[spurraider21]

He’s 225 lbs stick. I’m not sure he’ll ever be a post up player with those skinny legs.
theres this weird myth that you have to be a bully to have a post game

[Pauleta14]

The issue isn't his weight but the distance between his hands/the ball and the floor.

He can't beat gravity

[DAF86]

After saying he was very unimpressed with various NBA stars, he's out there looking very unimpressive for other folks.

[John B]

1854515899862319515

This makes me feel a little better about his bad start on the offensive end.
skin27 bruh averaging slightly better than last year

[DAF86]

skin27 bruh averaging slightly better than last year

He isn't, 44 last to 42 this season. Quit the drugs, tbh. :lol

[John B]

He isn't, 44 last to 42 this season. Quit the drugs, tbh. :lol

You saw that but not the 3.8 bpg, not to mention almost perfect at the line :drunk

[tim_duncan_fan]

He's 20. Is there a chance he'll fill out and get noticeably stronger?

[Duncan2177]

He's 20. Is there a chance he'll fill out and get noticeably stronger?

Being that young for sure.

[itzsoweezee]

1854515899862319515

This makes me feel a little better about his bad start on the offensive end.

Not reassuring considering that Sochan was the starting point guard last year and Wemby was playing alongside Collins in the starting lineup.

He simply doesn’t look like the same player as last year, even at the beginning of the season. The numbers seem to support the eye test — he’s worse than he was playing as a rookie. Maybe he should take a week or two off, I don’t know. But he’s straight up playing weak. I don’t remember a single game last year where played so soft. Now it’s rare to see Vic assert himself on the game.

[John B]

Being that young for sure.

He got skinny legs and being so tall his center of gravity is not as strong. I doubt he’ll be a strong post up player, but he could be strong enough to get good position close to the basket, but not to backdown defenders

[DAF86]

You saw that but not the 3.8 bpg, not to mention almost perfect at the line :drunk

But you were talking about the shooting %. :lol

[ambchang]

It’s almost like when duncan played that exhibition game his rookie year and got dominated by Greg ostertag, but it turned out he played the entire game left handed because pop said he should work on his left hand.

Now it’s outside shooting with wemby, and in the regular season, and for 8 games, and getting embarrassed by everyone, and now getting outplayed by deandre Ayton and Zach Collins (on offence). Like what the hell is going on?

[itzsoweezee]

This is just sad

Last year:
16.6 FGA
11.1 2P FGA
5.5 3P FGA

This season (first 7 games):
15.5 FGA
8.1 2P FGA
7.3 3P FGA

[skin27]

Not reassuring considering that Sochan was the starting point guard last year and Wemby was playing alongside Collins in the starting lineup.

He simply doesn’t look like the same player as last year, even at the beginning of the season. The numbers seem to support the eye test — he’s worse than he was playing as a rookie. Maybe he should take a week or two off, I don’t know. But he’s straight up playing weak. I don’t remember a single game last year where played so soft. Now it’s rare to see Vic assert himself on the game.

also i think this was the first time he scored 15pts or less in a back to back games. Im not sure correct me if im wrong

[exstatic]

He isn't, 44 last to 42 this season. Quit the drugs, tbh. :lol

That’s a fucking rounding error.

[playbonner15]

It's either Wemby's coasting until after the all star break or he's tired w/ opposing players pushing him out to the 3pt line or double teaming him inside the arc so he just decides to shoot long shots

[John B]

It’s almost like when duncan played that exhibition game his rookie year and got dominated by Greg ostertag, but it turned out he played the entire game left handed because pop said he should work on his left hand.

Now it’s outside shooting with wemby, and in the regular season, and for 8 games, and getting embarrassed by everyone, and now getting outplayed by deandre Ayton and Zach Collins (on offence). Like what the hell is going on?

Dude the Spurs cruised to a Win with most players playing good-to-great. I think that’s a team-win.

[RC_Drunkford]

has anybody here even paid attention that this guy is completely out of shape? Watch him at the 7 minute mark of 1st and 3rd quarters. He's tired after 5 minutes of play, even when a time out is called in between it. Meanwhile a rookie like Castle and Champagnie play 10 minute stints.

At the 8 minute mark of the 3rd quarter Wemby breaks up a lob by the Blazers. The Spurs run in transition, swing the ball around, Champagnie misses a corner 3. Spurs get the offensive board and Barnes shoots a 3. Only then does Wemby arrive at the other end of the court. With 5 minutes left in the quarter Wemby asks for a sub.

This guy has not worked on his conditioning in the offseason. It's not coaching, it's not Sochan or Castle, it's him being completely out of shape that's the main issue.

[Obstructed_View]

Out of shape to start the season? Hey, maybe he is Luka Doncic!

Seriously, he added a lot of bulk over the summer. It's neither surprising nor the end of the world that his cardio is a bit behind. If he's still sucking wind by Christmas, we might need to be concerned.

[couchman]

Agree that cardio appears to be a big part of his struggle right now.
Bad cardio often leads to bad shot selection.
I also think he’s missing Vassell more than we might have expected.
Devin and Wemby had a lot of good two man game going late last season and of course Devin spaced the floor well as our best 3pt shooter.

[Pauleta14]

It's either Wemby's coasting until after the all star break or he's tired w/ opposing players pushing him out to the 3pt line or double teaming him inside the arc so he just decides to shoot long shots

Or... stay with me... He's being used as bad as last season's start and his teammates just call their numbers using Wemby to set screens for them or the new big thing, using Wemby as a decoy :lmao

They're killing the kid it's insane to witness it

[Pauleta14]

Agree that cardio appears to be a big part of his struggle right now.
Bad cardio often leads to bad shot selection.
I also think he’s missing Vassell more than we might have expected.
Devin and Wemby had a lot of good two man game going late last season and of course Devin spaced the floor well as our best 3pt shooter.

Nah, you're all using correlations as causations guys...

His cardio was worse last season! They're just not using him properly like post ASG

Elephant in the room effect, the answer seems too obvious I guess

[Pauleta14]

Out of shape to start the season? Hey, maybe he is Luka Doncic!

Seriously, he added a lot of bulk over the summer. It's neither surprising nor the end of the world that his cardio is a bit behind. If he's still sucking wind by Christmas, we might need to be concerned.

He didn't add any bulk at all... :lol

(he already talked about it, he gains max 1%-5%/year)

[exstatic]

Teams are just determined to not let him operate in space, throwing two, or even 3 guys at him.

Mitch ran a play out of a time out in the fourth that I thought was brilliant. Paul was 3 point line extended right, and Castle was 3 point line extended left, with his back to the basket,appearing to be preventing his defender from collapsing on Wemby. Paul threw a lob entry pass to Wemby at the FT line,back to the basket, and before the pass even reached Wemby, Castle dove to the hoop since his defender was playing the high side,and caught Wemby’s bounce pass for an uncontested basket. Misdirections like this are why Sochan has been so fucking effective this year, and a way to unlock some space for Wemby.

[skin27]

I also dont like how the use his minutes like subbing him out arround 6 mins in the first quarter the put him back around 2 mins left.. normally thats not how you use your superstar.

[RC_Drunkford]

I also dont like how the use his minutes like subbing him out arround 6 mins in the first quarter the put him back around 2 mins left.. normally thats not how you use your superstar.

they sub him out at the 7 min mark cause he‘s gassed after 5 min of basketball. Comes in at 2 min then gets some rest in between quarters and plays til the 3 min mark in the 2nd. Then comes in at the 7 min mark to play another 5 minutes. Rinse and repeat in the 2nd half. He has no stamina.

[polandprzem]

they sub him out at the 7 min mark cause he‘s gassed after 5 min of basketball. Comes in at 2 min then gets some rest in between quarters and plays til the 3 min mark in the 2nd. Then comes in at the 7 min mark to play another 5 minutes. Rinse and repeat in the 2nd half. He has no stamina.

Yup, still though he has 30minutes games now regularly which is a plus when we consider how weak he is.

[polandprzem]

He didn't add any bulk at all... :lol

(he already talked about it, he gains max 1%-5%/year)

He is a shooter as well as he says. So....

[Pauleta14]

He is a shooter as well as he says. So....

haha

Nothing makes any sense, what a mess for the Spurs and Wemby.

It could be a wrong match

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah, you're all using correlations as causations guys...

His cardio was worse last season! They're just not using him properly like post ASG

Elephant in the room effect, the answer seems too obvious I guess

Him having no stamina last season had to be expected since he's played a lot less games in france. This season though there's no excuse. He ran the court harder at this time last season to establish position near the basket. This season he's gassed. He's the only player on the team asking to get subbed out after playing 6 minutes. Sean even mentioned it and when the Blazers got to the rim on the last posession he didn't even bother to contest cause he was tired. This happened in damn near every game so far. A rookie like Castle played 10 minutes without any issues. If you're talking about wanting to win rings ASAP you better come into the season with proper conditioning. With how smart he thinks he is he still has a lot to learn about being a professional NBA player.

[Mnky]

I think, like many have mentioned, his conditioning is just really out of whack right now. You see him play stints where he looks like last years dominant player and then he gets gassed and has no legs for blocking, rotating, and most importantly shooting.

He'll be alright. There's a few things contributing to his issues, but I honestly think the biggest is he's out of shape/tired from his first ever full year of basketball PLUS the Olympics. He never even played a college level of a season before last year in his life.

[polandprzem]

Him having no stamina last season had to be expected since he's played a lot less games in france. This season though there's no excuse. He ran the court harder at this time last season to establish position near the basket. This season he's gassed. He's the only player on the team asking to get subbed out after playing 6 minutes. Sean even mentioned it and when the Blazers got to the rim on the last posession he didn't even bother to contest cause he was tired. This happened in damn near every game so far. A rookie like Castle played 10 minutes without any issues. If you're talking about wanting to win rings ASAP you better come into the season with proper conditioning. With how smart he thinks he is he still has a lot to learn about being a professional NBA player.
There are still coaches thinking a player can get conditioning just by playing his sport. It is not the case. If they knew he had problem there plus he is weak. It should to be addressed. He got bit stronger but not enough. Being stronger also gives you more conditioning. But you have to do it.

It is early in the season and he might be getting into refreshing stadium but tbh I do agree- they did not did a good job in that departement/ conditioning/

[Mitch Cumsteen]

He seemed to be in tip top form at the Olympics. How out of shape can a 20 year old with almost zero body fat get in 10 weeks?

[Davidicus]

I wonder if between Olympics and start of season he was told to rest more than a typical offseason to decrease his overall load over the Summer. Has no one in the media asked him about his training during that timeline?

[Davidicus]

They should compare it to his last 8 games of last year.
24.4 ppg, 11.8 rebounds, 4.5 blocks, 47/33/79

I get it, but disagree. Start of a new season, new rhythm, new players. Not to mention Olympics over the Summer and he’s in a sophomore slump of overthinking.

Everyone calm down, he will work through his cardio and mental in due time.

[Mr. Body]

I get it, but disagree. Start of a new season, new rhythm, new players. Not to mention Olympics over the Summer and he’s in a sophomore slump of overthinking.

Everyone calm down, he will work through his cardio and mental in due time.

Listen to this man.

[Pauleta14]

Him having no stamina last season had to be expected since he's played a lot less games in france. This season though there's no excuse. He ran the court harder at this time last season to establish position near the basket. This season he's gassed. He's the only player on the team asking to get subbed out after playing 6 minutes. Sean even mentioned it and when the Blazers got to the rim on the last posession he didn't even bother to contest cause he was tired. This happened in damn near every game so far. A rookie like Castle played 10 minutes without any issues. If you're talking about wanting to win rings ASAP you better come into the season with proper conditioning. With how smart he thinks he is he still has a lot to learn about being a professional NBA player.


Is there a way to get the data on the distance covered by a player/game?

Maybe there's an answer there... (just wondering)

In any case it can't be just that, I'm not defending him, I think he's still a kid in many aspects despite his precocity in others, but he's being put in terrible situations by his coach and teammates and they dgaf seing how happy they were after the game.

[RC_Drunkford]

Is there a way to get the data on the distance covered by a player/game?

Maybe there's an answer there... (just wondering)

In any case it can't be just that, I'm not defending him, I think he's still a kid in many aspects despite his precocity in others, but he's being put in terrible situations by his coach and teammates and they dgaf seing how happy they were after the game.

add to that that we are playing at a significantly slower pace. Last years team was running up and down the court a lot more.

[Pauleta14]

He seemed to be in tip top form at the Olympics. How out of shape can a 20 year old with almost zero body fat get in 10 weeks?

That's just not a causation at all.

Try to find a lond summary of the last game and watch it X2 speed, Wemby is all over the place, up and down the 3pt line on D all the time. it's a game plan to tire him up and makes everything he does difficult by opp coaches.

AND HE GETS ZERO HELP FROM HIS OWN TEAM(MATES) :lol

But ST prefers shitting on him

[Pauleta14]

add to that that we are playing at a significantly slower pace. Last years team was running up and down the court a lot more.

It's not the offense that tires him up, that part frustrates him.

It's the defense and opp coaches game plan to tire him up as much as possible that kills him.

They make him purposely go baseline/3pts line as much as possible

Ime or Billups yesterday didn't hide it. ST just chooses to ignore it

[polandprzem]

It's not the offense that tires him up, that part frustrates him.

It's the defense and opp coaches game plan to tire him up as much as possible that kills him.

They make him purposely go baseline/3pts line as much as possible

Ime or Billups yesterday didn't hide it. ST just chooses to ignore it

Boo fuckin hoo


And they are making Harden go right :rolleyes


Those coaches of other teams have gameplans! OMG how dare they?

[polandprzem]

Grant frickin touched his jersey and Wemby fell.

Showing weakness instead of strength

[rjv]

wemby was flopping and he managed to get a t on grant out of it. he has already become CP III's Padawan.

[Pauleta14]

Boo fuckin hoo


And they are making Harden go right :rolleyes


Those coaches of other teams have gameplans! OMG how dare they?

Not sure why you think I'm defending him in any way bro...

I'm just stating facts and a huge difference with last season where teams where discovering him, they have the blue-print now, of course he needs to adapt.

If we're analysing and trying to understand why he seems to often out of breath or having less juice, it's kind of a rational explanation to me. Among others.

[Pauleta14]

wemby was flopping and he managed to get a t on grant out of it. he has already become CP III's Padawan.

That action was so embarassing tbh

Either he flopped or tried a charge, either way a stupid decision

[rjv]

That action was so embarassing tbh

Either he flopped or tried a charge, either way a stupid decision

he didn't try a charge. i was about twenty yards away from it. grant kept shoving him before the inbounds pass. when he would lean back on grant, grant would pull the chair. then they got chippy with each other but grant started to pull on his shoulder. that's when he got teed up. the ref had already warned the both of them.

[Pauleta14]

he didn't try a charge. i was about twenty yards away from it. grant kept shoving him before the inbounds pass. when he would lean back on grant, grant would pull the chair. then they got chippy with each other but grant started to pull on his shoulder. that's when he got teed up. the ref had already warned the both of them.

Oh u were a the game...

Did you have a good view of the bench? Any body-language or interraction you noticed?

[polandprzem]

he didn't try a charge. i was about twenty yards away from it. grant kept shoving him before the inbounds pass. when he would lean back on grant, grant would pull the chair. then they got chippy with each other but grant started to pull on his shoulder. that's when he got teed up. the ref had already warned the both of them.
Dude I was 2 feet away looking at the tv :)

Grant fouled him later when he pushed him of the area. On perimeter that was illegal contact.

But those two times Wemby just threw himself on the floor? wtf? weak ass flop.

[polandprzem]

Not sure why you think I'm defending him in any way bro...

I'm just stating facts and a huge difference with last season where teams where discovering him, they have the blue-print now, of course he needs to adapt.

If we're analysing and trying to understand why he seems to often out of breath or having less juice, it's kind of a rational explanation to me. Among others.

I think the blue-print was kinda obvious from the get go. At least since they saw him not standing his ground and float behind 3pt lane.

[TheBallsbreakers]

I get it, but disagree. Start of a new season, new rhythm, new players. Not to mention Olympics over the Summer and he’s in a sophomore slump of overthinking.

Everyone calm down, he will work through his cardio and mental in due time.
Preach!

[rjv]

Oh u were a the game...

Did you have a good view of the bench? Any body-language or interraction you noticed?

i was behind the basket, about ten rows back. the portland bench was closest to the side i was on. when this happened, it was on my side of the court so that is why i had such a good view and could hear the ref warning wemby and grant to cut it out.

[rjv]

Dude I was 2 feet away looking at the tv :)

Grant fouled him later when he pushed him of the area. On perimeter that was illegal contact.

But those two times Wemby just threw himself on the floor? wtf? weak ass flop.

i've seen plenty of games on tv and plenty in person. it's a whole different perspective up front and live, and in three dimensions. it also helps to hear the players, refs and coaches. i've also seen a lot of flops over the years.

[ambchang]

has anybody here even paid attention that this guy is completely out of shape? Watch him at the 7 minute mark of 1st and 3rd quarters. He's tired after 5 minutes of play, even when a time out is called in between it. Meanwhile a rookie like Castle and Champagnie play 10 minute stints.

At the 8 minute mark of the 3rd quarter Wemby breaks up a lob by the Blazers. The Spurs run in transition, swing the ball around, Champagnie misses a corner 3. Spurs get the offensive board and Barnes shoots a 3. Only then does Wemby arrive at the other end of the court. With 5 minutes left in the quarter Wemby asks for a sub.

This guy has not worked on his conditioning in the offseason. It's not coaching, it's not Sochan or Castle, it's him being completely out of shape that's the main issue.

Maybe he is starting to like American women.

[exstatic]

wemby was flopping and he managed to get a t on grant out of it. he has already become CP III's Padawan.

It actually wasn’t a T, it was a foul before the inbounds, which is one FT, dead ball, and possession of the ball.

What pissed me off was that they essentially gave him two warnings before calling a painfully obvious foul.

[polandprzem]

i was behind the basket, about ten rows back. the portland bench was closest to the side i was on. when this happened, it was on my side of the court so that is why i had such a good view and could hear the ref warning wemby and grant to cut it out.
10 rows back yhm

Everybody watching tv saw a ref telling them to cut it out

[RC_Drunkford]

It's not the offense that tires him up, that part frustrates him.

It's the defense and opp coaches game plan to tire him up as much as possible that kills him.

They make him purposely go baseline/3pts line as much as possible

Ime or Billups yesterday didn't hide it. ST just chooses to ignore it

well if that’s the case, wait til he makes the playoffs and teams put a real game plan together. He gon ask for sub 3 minutes into the first quarter :lol