The Parisian Patisserie of Victor Wembanyama

[Spurs Homer]

lol bro, I guess this is gonna be the narrative from the "Wemby is a SF" guys :lol

Dude, whatch that BBall breakdown video. Pop spammed the play he used to run with Duncan and Robinson at the end of the game, where one would screen the other in the post and create all types of different actions from that look. That's clearly a bigman play/move.

I have no problem with Wemby taking as many 3's as he wants, as long as he gets double the paint touches during a game.

Was it you that was upset when people compared wemby to durant?

[DAF86]

Was it you that was upset when people compared wemby to durant?

I don't know if upset, but yeah, the Durant comparisson is just lazy. Even Durant said it on the press conference after the game "they compare us just because we're both skinny. We're totally different players". And he's right, Wemby doesn't have KD's handles nor elite shooting, but he doesn't need to. That's the thing. If his teammates keep feeding him the ball next to the hoop, there's just no stopping him.

[Leetonidas]

When you say 2004, is that 2003-2004 or 2004-2005?

03/04

[benefactor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twmy1Int-Q&ab_channel=NBAonESPN
My dick cannot get any bigger

[thiste]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1720524542769074245

[Spurs Homer]

I don't know if upset, but yeah, the Durant comparisson is just lazy. Even Durant said it on the press conference after the game "they compare us just because we're both skinny. We're totally different players". And he's right, Wemby doesn't have KD's handles nor elite shooting, but he doesn't need to. That's the thing. If his teammates keep feeding him the ball next to the hoop, there's just no stopping him.

or

you could just admit you were wrong and the comparison is an apt one

[benefactor]

Theres nothing wrong with the Durant comparison from an in game play standpoint. He has already has more of an alpha gene tbh

[DAF86]

or

you could just admit you were wrong and the comparison is an apt one

Hahaha what? Did you see the game last night? The only reason Wemby dominated the way he did is because he was finally getting touches in the post. In fact, he missed quite a lot of jumpers. He would have got 50 if he connected on those.

It's fine though, Wemby shouldn't rely on jumpers to have productive offensive numbers.

It really is a lost cost if what folks here got from last night's game is that Wemby is Durant 2.0. :lol

[mudyez]

Didnt take long at all…

that dude (keyshawn?) on undisputed with skip bayless said,

”um when can we start tampering….just saying , every player wants to play in los angeles…that purple and gold uniform…blah blah”


shocking….

Actually the other guy said it and Skip said: "I don't think that will happen. I think he is made for SA."

That brings me to a funny story: After we won in '14 I saw Skip for the first time...calling himself the "Major of SA"...me, being from germany, thought several month that he is the actual major of San Antonio (not wandering why he has a talking heads show)...stupid me. :downspin:

Always have to think about this when I see him.

[Spurs Homer]

Actually the other guy said it and Skip said: "I don't think that will happen. I think he is made for SA."

That brings me to a funny story: After we won in '14 I saw Skip for the first time...calling himself the "Major of SA"...me, being from germany, thought several month that he is the actual major of San Antonio (not wandering why he has a talking heads show)...stupid me. :downspin:

Always have to think about this when I see him.

sure, skip pushed back

But it has begun- this is what they do-shill for the lakers/knicks/warriors/clippers

[DAF86]

iAmYAP65Q90?si=fc2iV3qgkQtx9Ik-

I mean, just look at the highlights. Outside from the 2 threes he makes off the drible, everything else is near the basket and on postups (plus a pick and pop three, which is a modern bigman play).

[Spurs Homer]

Hahaha what? Did you see the game last night? The only reason Wemby dominated the way he did is because he was finally getting touches in the post. In fact, he missed quite a lot of jumpers. He would have got 50 if he connected on those.

It's fine though, Wemby shouldn't rely on jumpers to have productive offensive numbers.

It really is a lost cost if what folks here got from last night's game is that Wemby is Durant 2.0. :lol

ok

keep lying to yourself

5 games and he has everything durant had in his first 5 games and more and health is the only thing that matters

no one said he was durant 2.0 - they just made an apt comparison of durants style -
and for some reason- you have convinced yourself that you know better than everyone else

[DAF86]

ok

keep lying to yourself

5 games and he has everything durant had in his first 5 games and more and health is the only thing that matters

no one said he was durant 2.0 - they just made an apt comparison of durants style -
and for some reason- you have convinced yourself that you know better than everyone else

Dude, watch the video above. That's not how Durant gets his points.

[Spurs Homer]

Dude, watch the video above. That's not how Durant gets his points.

that is one game where the spurs were hitting shots and wemby tweaked his offense to maximize his mismatches

a couple of the other games he showed a few offensive moves that showcased his overall offensive game

in other words- he can do durant - AND MORE

not sure why you are defensive of beta kd but whatever

[Seventyniner]

Dude, watch the video above. That's not how Durant gets his points.

That's not how anyone gets his points. I can't think of any player who can just go to the front of the rim without setting a (good) screen, not care if he's double or triple teamed, high point the ball at about the height of the rim and just lay it in.

[DAF86]

that is one game where the spurs were hitting shots and wemby tweaked his offense to maximize his mismatches

a couple of the other games he showed a few offensive moves that showcased his overall offensive game

in other words- he can do durant - AND MORE

not sure why you are defensive of beta kd but whatever

I don't give a fuck about Durant, I just want the Spurs to maximize Wemby's strengths. Sure, there will be games where his jumper is falling and he will look like Curry, forget Durant. But Wemby just doesn't have the wlite shooting that Durant has, and most likely he never will. He can't consistenly count on hitting jumpers on his way to 30 pts every night.

The way he will consistently get his points is the way he did yesterday: abusing everybody near the basket. Do you think it is a coincidence that the first game he got consistent touches in the paint is the first game he trully went off? This needs to be the formula moving forward.

[DAF86]

That's not how anyone gets his points. I can't think of any player who can just go to the front of the rim without setting a (good) screen, not care if he's double or triple teamed, high point the ball at about the height of the rim and just lay it in.

Exactly. That's why is dumb to have him wandering around the perimeter for 90% of the time, like the Spurs were doing with him in the first few games.

[PrimeMinister]

from what pop said coming into the season and in his press appearances during those initial games I get the impression they were letting victor feel out where he wanted to be and what spots he was comfortable going to.... especially in the first 3 quarters of games.

[kace]

I don't know if upset, but yeah, the Durant comparisson is just lazy. Even Durant said it on the press conference after the game "they compare us just because we're both skinny. We're totally different players". And he's right, Wemby doesn't have KD's handles nor elite shooting, but he doesn't need to. That's the thing. If his teammates keep feeding him the ball next to the hoop, there's just no stopping him.
did he ? i don't remember him saying that. More like "he's his own player". not the same....

[spurraider21]

I used to think KD's height/fluidity combination was the peak. It's crazy that in less than two decades an even bigger physical freak came along.

No way is there a next level to this shit, right? Wemby has to be the peak of the NBA player's evolution. And he's a fucking Spur. :lol
saw a video about while the NBA's average height is not much different from the mid 90's (about 6'7), the height distribution has changed a lot, in that its a lot more concentrated. a much higher percentage of the league falls between 6'4 and 6'9, whereas before it was a much more even distribution down to about the 6 foot mark, and the low 7's

NBA teams dont need a couple of 7 foot tall oafs just for the sake of having 7 footers anymore. big immobile shotblockers like boban dont matter anymore because of the defensive 3 second rule, increased emphasis on 3 point shots, and offenses forcing switches. so centers have to be mobile first. being mobile + being able to protect the rim is not a common trait. its why guys like evan mobley, jaren jackson jr, etc, are very highly coveted now

same reason tiny point guards are all but gone... cant hold up against switches, so they have to be insanely productive offensive players to counteract that

its quite literally a perfect storm for wemby, and to a lesser degree, chet. the likelihood of seeing many more of them? not particularly great. there simply arent that many 7 footers in the population, generally. then you have to screen for the ones who arent debilitated by their height and have long term problems. then you have to screen for the ones who like and play basketball. then you have to screen for the ones that have reasonable athleticism (unlike the previously viral Kenny George). etc etc. but finding legit 7 footers with their level of athletic ability, on top of their skill level? so many 7 footers end up playing basketball because they were tall, and they pick it up late. both wemby and chet were playing basketball since their early childhood. they're simply a rare breed, and wemby that much more so than chet

[Joseph Kony]

You know he's going to drop a 50 piece at some point this season, there'll be a game he gets hot and is just rolling the whole time. can't wait tbh. when was the last time a Spur scored 50? Was in TP back in 09?

[spursparker9]

The amount of hype he's getting after last night is crazy. Feels weird as a Spurs fan to have the entire NBA media fawning over one of our guys

Yea, with the hype and the media running the narrative. All star is very likely.

[DAF86]

You know he's going to drop a 50 piece at some point this season, there'll be a game he gets hot and is just rolling the whole time. can't wait tbh. when was the last time a Spur scored 50? Was in TP back in 09?

Aldridge got 50 with us, I think.

[JPB]

or

you could just admit you were wrong and the comparison is an apt one

Wemby and Durant are different players as could be seen in their last games. KD is a SG/SF, Victor a PF/C....

Victor is a front court, big man player who can roam on the perimeter, KD is a perimeter, swingman, one on one shooting player who can drive... Wemby isn't close to have KD's handles, rapidity and ability to create his own shoot while you can't just throw the ball to KD's in the paint like you do with Wemby and KD doesn't have Wemby's dissuasive presence on defense.

[spurraider21]

when it comes to just regular season...

LMA scored 56 in 2019

Parker scored 55 in 2008

Duncan scored 53 in 2001

other than that, theres a handful of Robinson/Gervin 50 burgers, and 1 apiece from Kenon and Cummings

the last time Duncan even scored 40 was 2003. the last time he put up 35 or more points was 2007

[Joseph Kony]

Aldridge got 50 with us, I think.
Oh shit you're right, that game vs OKC a few years back. totally forgot about that one. that was a good game

[Joseph Kony]

when it comes to just regular season...

LMA scored 56 in 2019

Parker scored 55 in 2008

Duncan scored 53 in 2001

other than that, theres a handful of Robinson/Gervin 50 burgers, and 1 apiece from Kenon and Cummings

the last time Duncan even scored 40 was 2003. the last time he put up 35 or more points was 2007

technically he had 40 in 2006 in game 6 vs. Dallas, not sure if you're just talking RS only

didn't Manu drop 48 a couple times? Feel like he did it against Phx and ATL at some point

[DAF86]

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[DAF86]

technically he had 40 in 2006 in game 6 vs. Dallas, not sure if you're just talking RS only

didn't Manu drop 48 a couple times? Feel like he did it against Phx and ATL at some point

Yeah, Manu has many 40 pts games, he just never got to 50.

[spurraider21]

technically he had 40 in 2006 in game 6 vs. Dallas, not sure if you're just talking RS only

didn't Manu drop 48 a couple times? Feel like he did it against Phx and ATL at some point
yeah i said "when it comes to just regular season"

duncan also dropped 40 on the shaq suns in 08 playoffs when he made the 3 pointer

manu did put up 48 against the suns. think he also had 40 burger against lebron cavs. i think he had b2b 40 point games in some stretch. parker had a number of 40's.

[Russ]

when it comes to just regular season...

LMA scored 56 in 2019

Parker scored 55 in 2008

Duncan scored 53 in 2001

other than that, theres a handful of Robinson/Gervin 50 burgers, and 1 apiece from Kenon and Cummings

the last time Duncan even scored 40 was 2003. the last time he put up 35 or more points was 2007

Robinson had 71 against the Clippers in 1994.

[Joseph Kony]

yeah i said "when it comes to just regular season"

duncan also dropped 40 on the shaq suns in 08 playoffs when he made the 3 pointer

manu did put up 48 against the suns. think he also had 40 burger against lebron cavs. i think he had b2b 40 point games in some stretch. parker had a number of 40's.

jesus i'm fucking blind :lol

Good times though. will be nice to see a prominent player have some epic games in a Spurs uni for a change

[DAF86]

Would we ever see a quadruple double or even quintuple double by Wemby?

I think there will be a couple of games in his career where he can get double digits in blocks and/or steals.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1720563983281799441

[thiste]

https://twitter.com/paulpierce34/status/1720499170321269191

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdiYeZ0Gc5s&ab_channel=TheRinger

Really cool how Pop is using off ball action on dribble hand offs, give and go, and those cross screens underneath to get Wemby the ball in good spots. Nice breakdown of the state of the team at the end too.

[Spurs Homer]

I don't give a fuck about Durant, I just want the Spurs to maximize Wemby's strengths. Sure, there will be games where his jumper is falling and he will look like Curry, forget Durant. But Wemby just doesn't have the wlite shooting that Durant has, and most likely he never will. He can't consistenly count on hitting jumpers on his way to 30 pts every night.

The way he will consistently get his points is the way he did yesterday: abusing everybody near the basket. Do you think it is a coincidence that the first game he got consistent touches in the paint is the first game he trully went off? This needs to be the formula moving forward.


^ i think that says pretty much everything anyone has to know about you…

ill check back with you as wemby refines and improves his already great shooting fundamentals…

you are limited/closed minded in your thinking as we all watch something we have never seen - you are quick to draw your own misguided CONCLUSIONS - maybe to comfort yourself as something new is revealed right before your eyes…

[Spurs Homer]

when it comes to just regular season...

LMA scored 56 in 2019

Parker scored 55 in 2008

Duncan scored 53 in 2001

other than that, theres a handful of Robinson/Gervin 50 burgers, and 1 apiece from Kenon and Cummings

the last time Duncan even scored 40 was 2003. the last time he put up 35 or more points was 2007

Gervin dropped 63 once to win the scoring title on the last game of the season…

[exstatic]

I don't give a fuck about Durant, I just want the Spurs to maximize Wemby's strengths. Sure, there will be games where his jumper is falling and he will look like Curry, forget Durant. But Wemby just doesn't have the wlite shooting that Durant has, and most likely he never will. He can't consistenly count on hitting jumpers on his way to 30 pts every night.

The way he will consistently get his points is the way he did yesterday: abusing everybody near the basket. Do you think it is a coincidence that the first game he got consistent touches in the paint is the first game he trully went off? This needs to be the formula moving forward.

People like you are why Kevin Garnett insisted on being listed at 6’11” his whole career when he eventually grew to 7’1”. He didn’t want to be pigeonholed into being a center by the narrow minded and those who lack imagination.

[baseline bum]

Would we ever see a quadruple double or even quintuple double by Wemby?

I think there will be a couple of games in his career where he can get double digits in blocks and/or steals.

We saw one with Tim to close out the 03 Finals. God damn scorekeeper shortchanging him on two blocks, one of which was obvious.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is what rookie Jabbar looked like for comparison.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEM6bgTQqec&ab_channel=WiltChamberlainArchive

There is not much of shit in terms of rookie Chamberlain or Russell so here is a good example of their primes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sw3mJAHmq0&ab_channel=FoobasSports

rookie Kevin Garnett good game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnmqnt6x2Hs&ab_channel=NBA

[FuzzyLumpkins]

rookie Durant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK6ikpBrsXc&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

Rookie Olajuwon vs Moses Malone


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IeQjf3dSc0&ab_channel=70sFan

[Thomas82]

You know he's going to drop a 50 piece at some point this season, there'll be a game he gets hot and is just rolling the whole time. can't wait tbh. when was the last time a Spur scored 50? Was in TP back in 09?

Aldridge got 56 against OKC. I believe it was in 2019.

[FkLA]

saw a video about while the NBA's average height is not much different from the mid 90's (about 6'7), the height distribution has changed a lot, in that its a lot more concentrated. a much higher percentage of the league falls between 6'4 and 6'9, whereas before it was a much more even distribution down to about the 6 foot mark, and the low 7's

NBA teams dont need a couple of 7 foot tall oafs just for the sake of having 7 footers anymore. big immobile shotblockers like boban dont matter anymore because of the defensive 3 second rule, increased emphasis on 3 point shots, and offenses forcing switches. so centers have to be mobile first. being mobile + being able to protect the rim is not a common trait. its why guys like evan mobley, jaren jackson jr, etc, are very highly coveted now

same reason tiny point guards are all but gone... cant hold up against switches, so they have to be insanely productive offensive players to counteract that

its quite literally a perfect storm for wemby, and to a lesser degree, chet. the likelihood of seeing many more of them? not particularly great. there simply arent that many 7 footers in the population, generally. then you have to screen for the ones who arent debilitated by their height and have long term problems. then you have to screen for the ones who like and play basketball. then you have to screen for the ones that have reasonable athleticism (unlike the previously viral Kenny George). etc etc. but finding legit 7 footers with their level of athletic ability, on top of their skill level? so many 7 footers end up playing basketball because they were tall, and they pick it up late. both wemby and chet were playing basketball since their early childhood. they're simply a rare breed, and wemby that much more so than chet

Yeah, I think the 7 footers like an Ostertag that made it to the NBA for simply being a big body have become obsolete. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more KDs and Chets. A lot of them won't be as good obviously but they'll be that same type of player. I honestly think that's what Shaq meant when he brought up Bol Bol the other day...he's the same type of of player as Wemby and Chet just a much lower tier.

Guard skills will be taught early on regardless of height. A lot of 7 footers are stiffs naturally but there's also probably been a a decent amount of big men over the past couple of decades that were fluid movers. They just never developed any guard skills because the game was so much different back then. I think moving forward, there will be attempts to morph any bigman that can move fluidly into the next KD or Chet Some will naturally pan out, imo. I just don't see how anyone will top Wemby though. It would be absolutely wild if we see an even bigger physical freak come along.

I think tall PGs (6'5"+) will become the norm too. Basically shorter basketball players are fucked, tbh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

That’s how you take a shit on the Suns’s parquet floor.
Excellent fundamentals

The Tall Fundamental

[ambchang]

Tall fluid players definitely existed in the past. Ralph Sampson, our very own David robinson, Garnett, hakeem, dan issel to a lesser extent. Kareem perhaps.

To FKLA’s point, they just never got that training.

[DAF86]

^ i think that says pretty much everything anyone has to know about you…

ill check back with you as wemby refines and improves his already great shooting fundamentals…

you are limited/closed minded in your thinking as we all watch something we have never seen - you are quick to draw your own misguided CONCLUSIONS - maybe to comfort yourself as something new is revealed right before your eyes…

Hahaha your username suits you well, bro. Bye.

[DAF86]

People like you are why Kevin Garnett insisted on being listed at 6’11” his whole career when he eventually grew to 7’1”. He didn’t want to be pigeonholed into being a center by the narrow minded and those who lack imagination.

Another dumb reply. :shootme

[spurraider21]

Tall fluid players definitely existed in the past. Ralph Sampson, our very own David robinson, Garnett, hakeem, dan issel to a lesser extent. Kareem perhaps.

To FKLA’s point, they just never got that training.
Sampson is the only comp when factoring in the extreme length and agility. And that was 40 years before wemby. Don’t come around every day

[ambchang]

Sampson is the only comp when factoring in the extreme length and agility. And that was 40 years before wemby. Don’t come around every day

Oh no question this is rare. I was mostly responding to the height and fluidity combination. If height and agility are both factored in then wemby is unique. Sampson want as agile and Garnett wasn’t as tall/long. A young Kareem maybe the only comp but even then I don’t really recall him being as fluid as wemby is now.

[John B]

Oh no question this is rare. I was mostly responding to the height and fluidity combination. If height and agility are both factored in then wemby is unique. Sampson want as agile and Garnett wasn’t as tall/long. A young Kareem maybe the only comp but even then I don’t really recall him being as fluid as wemby is now.

Wemby is a taller Durant

[exstatic]

Wemby is a taller Durant

Excellent DAFFY86 trollage…

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8FRF_mbUZw&ab_channel=TheRichEisenShow

[spurraider21]

He feels like the the perfect counter to small ball which is the direction the league has drifted to. Other than Minnesota, now sure how many teams are starting 2 real bigs. Lakers have stopped playing Davis at PF

the spurs can play 2 bigs but there’s no mismatch on the either end since wemby is holding up against smaller guys out on the perimeter.

and if other teams go really small where they don’t even have a true center and are playing somebody like pj Tucker at center, then the spurs can just run wemby at the 5 and rinse repeat

[Rocalcio]

All these videos about him is just crazy…

[Fizziksman]

All these videos about him is just crazy…

In one year, he will eclipse all segments made about the Big 3 on national television

[boutons_deux]

That boy don't play right

A shot goes up, VW is floating around, spectating from no man's land or actually heading to the other end of the court. Wtf

He watches drivers drive right past him, does it move to bother the driver

He has to learn that the spurs are his team. Now, when he is on the court he must dominate on both ends, with the win or the loss on his shoulders.

WTF, pop chew is ass out

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zLrrX490mFk

KD on defending Wemby

[lefty]

Wemby vs his teammates

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ad1a56_f732b0f237d8443a80e4be288b380df4~mv2.gif

[tapiefan]

Just give the ball to Victor, surround him with shooters and let him play the game. Just let the kid to be the centerpiece of your offense and your defense.

He's not just the first pick. He is the next big thing, mother of God.

[spurraider21]

Just give the ball to Victor, surround him with shooters and let him play the game. Just let the kid to be the centerpiece of your offense and your defense.

He's not just the first pick. He is the next big thing, mother of God.
dont know if youve really been paying attention if you think victor is at his best when he is just given the ball with room to operate and create. he's been at his best when he's been set up to score. thats not a bad thing. but right now he's at his best as a finisher, not an initiator.

look at how many of his buckets against phoenix just came from him being fed the ball at the rim, and how few of them came from him creating off the dribble, post, etc

he can do those things, and i think we saw him hit those midrange jumpers out of the post against toronto as well, including OT. but thats not his primary means of scoring, at least not yet. he's still 19 and only going to get a lot better. but right now he needs playmakers around him that can take advantage of his length/athleticism by feeding him in opportune positions, more so than he needs shooters to give him room to operate with the ball

[DAF86]

dont know if youve really been paying attention if you think victor is at his best when he is just given the ball with room to operate and create. he's been at his best when he's been set up to score. thats not a bad thing. but right now he's at his best as a finisher, not an initiator.

look at how many of his buckets against phoenix just came from him being fed the ball at the rim, and how few of them came from him creating off the dribble, post, etc

he can do those things, and i think we saw him hit those midrange jumpers out of the post against toronto as well, including OT. but thats not his primary means of scoring, at least not yet. he's still 19 and only going to get a lot better. but right now he needs playmakers around him that can take advantage of his length/athleticism by feeding him in opportune positions, more so than he needs shooters to give him room to operate with the ball

4 wide with Wemby roaming around the middle, getting into pick and rolls and being the benefitiary of dump off passes or putbacks from teammates' drives. That's the absolute most efficient way to utilize Wemby right now. He could seriously average 30 pts per game just from doing that.

I'm clearly not advocating for him doing only this, we need to develop his all around game. I'm just saying that I would like to see more of that efficient way of playing.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmzXgvG_TA&ab_channel=ESPN

[SpursFan86]

look at how many of his buckets against phoenix just came from him being fed the ball at the rim, and how few of them came from him creating off the dribble, post, etc

This has been the most infuriating thing over the past 2 games. The way they’ve involved Victor has been the polar opposite of what we saw that 2nd game against Phoenix. Hardly any transition looks, no lobs, no getting him the ball deep in the paint…I get that other teams have different personnel and maybe the league was “put on notice” after that Phoenix game but it’s just hard to accept what we’ve seen the past 2 games.

There’s no reason at all that Wemby shouldn’t be getting 4-5 easy buckets each night. I want him to develop some of those other skills too but it should be secondary to the “easy” stuff…especially this early on when he’s still getting accustomed to the NBA.

Part of it is probably his surrounding talent but I can’t help but be disappointed in some of the broader team strategy around involving him on offense.

[spurraider21]

He could really use something as basic as a jump hook for when he gets paint position. Not everything has to be a full fledged turnaround jumper

[MI21]

4 wide with Wemby roaming around the middle, getting into pick and rolls and being the benefitiary of dump off passes or putbacks from teammates' drives. That's the absolute most efficient way to utilize Wemby right now. He could seriously average 30 pts per game just from doing that.

I'm clearly not advocating for him doing only this, we need to develop his all around game. I'm just saying that I would like to see more of that efficient way of playing.

I don't understand why this isn't at least part of the plan. Like you said, I understand his entire game needs developing, but guess fucking what morons, if his confidence is up and the opposition has to deal with a bit of this, other things will open up and become possible. Right now his dribble game is nearly non-existent - if their was some fucking space and a semblance of putting players in positions to succeed, it would be a weapon. (not talking flashy crossovers into dunks weapon, I'm talking functional dribble to let the guy with an 8ft wingspan and good touch get where he needs too.)

[stephen jackson]

He needs to get the damn ball it’s pretty simple

[tapiefan]

dont know if youve really been paying attention if you think victor is at his best when he is just given the ball with room to operate and create. he's been at his best when he's been set up to score. thats not a bad thing. but right now he's at his best as a finisher, not an initiator.

look at how many of his buckets against phoenix just came from him being fed the ball at the rim, and how few of them came from him creating off the dribble, post, etc

he can do those things, and i think we saw him hit those midrange jumpers out of the post against toronto as well, including OT. but thats not his primary means of scoring, at least not yet. he's still 19 and only going to get a lot better. but right now he needs playmakers around him that can take advantage of his length/athleticism by feeding him in opportune positions, more so than he needs shooters to give him room to operate with the ball

Giving the ball to Victor does not mean let him dribble, create his own shot and make iso play. Giving the ball to Victor does not mean he will shoot every possession. Giving the ball to Victor means let him play like Jokic, as a kind of point center, where the offense is built around him. Sometimes he's gonna shoot the ball when being in good position at the top of the key, sometimes he's gonna make the right pass to make his teammates shine.

All his teammates have to understand he IS the superstar of the team and none of them are. They are all role players, without any exception, they have to play for him. The thing is for now, it seems that they want to get part of the spotlight Wemby's arrival has bring to the Spurs. You can't let Tre Jones calls no system for Victor in the last 5 plays of the money time.

Otherwise, Spurs are going to waste the holly gift they received from the last draft. My 2 cents.

[boutons_deux]

He needs to get the damn ball it’s pretty simple

he is always at 3 pt line, calling for the ball, then shoots 30%

BAD, losing basketball

[Thomas82]

Giving the ball to Victor does not mean let him dribble, create his own shot and make iso play. Giving the ball to Victor does not mean he will shoot every possession. Giving the ball to Victor means let him play like Jokic, as a kind of point center, where the offense is built around him. Sometimes he's gonna shoot the ball when being in good position at the top of the key, sometimes he's gonna make the right pass to make his teammates shine.

All his teammates have to understand he IS the superstar of the team and none of them are. They are all role players, without any exception, they have to play for him. The thing is for now, it seems that they want to get part of the spotlight Wemby's arrival has bring to the Spurs. You can't let Tre Jones calls no system for Victor in the last 5 plays of the money time.

Otherwise, Spurs are going to waste the holly gift they received from the last draft. My 2 cents.

Well said!!

[rankingtear]

Giving the ball to Victor does not mean let him dribble, create his own shot and make iso play. Giving the ball to Victor does not mean he will shoot every possession. Giving the ball to Victor means let him play like Jokic, as a kind of point center, where the offense is built around him. Sometimes he's gonna shoot the ball when being in good position at the top of the key, sometimes he's gonna make the right pass to make his teammates shine.

All his teammates have to understand he IS the superstar of the team and none of them are. They are all role players, without any exception, they have to play for him. The thing is for now, it seems that they want to get part of the spotlight Wemby's arrival has bring to the Spurs. You can't let Tre Jones calls no system for Victor in the last 5 plays of the money time.

Otherwise, Spurs are going to waste the holly gift they received from the last draft. My 2 cents.

He cant be a point center if he does not want to play center.

[rankingtear]

The kid wants to be a 7-4 durant, it would take years to be able to do that on a championship level. For now roster moves are on hold until he figure things out.

[BatManu20]

1722248269215244635

[DAF86]

He cant be a point center if he does not want to play center.

He never said he doesn't want to play center (at least publicly). People need to stop with this false narrative that was created.

Sooner or later Wemby will end up as the center of this team. Yall need to realize this fact once and for all.

[rankingtear]

He never said he doesn't want to play center (at least publicly). People need to stop with this false narrative that was created.

Sooner or later Wemby will end up as the center of this team. Yall need to realize this fact once and for all.

Doubt it, he hates it. Defenders run through his knees everytime he sets a screen.

[thiste]

Has this been posted before?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-XDaQkXcAAZr4U.jpg

[DAF86]

Doubt it, he hates it. Defenders run through his knees everytime he sets a screen.

Well, he will have to learn to set better screens then. Do you really think there's a plausible scenario where Wemby can play professional NBA basketball without setting screens?

[lefty]

1722248269215244635
Wemby and a frontrunner :D

[lefty]

Better version

https://x.com/TomBrady/status/1722278391137943817

[JeffDuncan]

Betcha Tom Brady could pass to Wemby. Sign him.

[mudyez]

Better version

https://x.com/TomBrady/status/1722278391137943817

I don't like Brady, but this is funny.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvk9AACoTQE

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNc8Nmejd8Y

[tim_duncan_fan]

Get strong and get in the post.

On offense and defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

when u play the game and create a tall fkn player with player rating 99, he leads in all stat columns

on the spurs in real life, he is force to stand and watch all these hero ballers on the team

[sananspursfan21]

As bad as the Spurs played last night, the Knicks game planned against Wemby perfectly. Eventually he’s gonna learn to work around that, but for now it’s an ace in the hole for an average game for Wemby

[DAF86]

4 wide with Wemby roaming around the middle, getting into pick and rolls and being the benefitiary of dump off passes or putbacks from teammates' drives. That's the absolute most efficient way to utilize Wemby right now. He could seriously average 30 pts per game just from doing that.

I'm clearly not advocating for him doing only this, we need to develop his all around game. I'm just saying that I would like to see more of that efficient way of playing.

This needs to start happening before Wemby starts losing confidence and the NBA world starts clowning him.

[exstatic]

As bad as the Spurs played last night, the Knicks game planned against Wemby perfectly. Eventually he’s gonna learn to work around that, but for now it’s an ace in the hole for an average game for Wemby

He needs to brush off the hand that they’re putting on him. Continuously. Cannot allow them to put and keep it on him. Technically, if he rises up for a jumper, and their hand is still there, it’s a hand check shooting foul,but you have to call attention to it.

[Seventyniner]

Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.

[exstatic]

Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.

Someone who gets it. This whole season is basically throwing spaghetti at the wall, and seeing what sticks. They're not trying to tank and lose, but neither is their focus to win.

[sananspursfan21]

He needs to brush off the hand that they’re putting on him. Continuously. Cannot allow them to put and keep it on him. Technically, if he rises up for a jumper, and their hand is still there, it’s a hand check shooting foul,but you have to call attention to it.

And I think those are the savvy things he’ll pick up, even if he doesn’t “bulk” up much. He’ll figure out ways around that physicality but it’s gonna be a hard lesson for a bit

[Frenchfred]

Someone who gets it. This whole season is basically throwing spaghetti at the wall, and seeing what sticks. They're not trying to tank and lose, but neither is their focus to win.

But at the same time, getting obliterated all the time has a huge impact on morale. Losing teaching you a valuable lesson, losing by20-30 often is a different story

[exstatic]

But at the same time, getting obliterated all the time has a huge impact on morale. Losing teaching you a valuable lesson, losing by20-30 often is a different story

Part of it is also showing Victor what does and doesn't work in the NBA. It's really hard to tell a 19 YO that without seeming to want to limit him, which I'm sure they don't. You have to let him see it for himself. He's already stopped the one footed 3 pointers. His base and form look much better.

[playbonner15]

This needs to start happening before Wemby starts losing confidence and the NBA world starts clowning him.
What's a 4 wide offense?

[poopbox]

Someone who gets it. This whole season is basically throwing spaghetti at the wall, and seeing what sticks. They're not trying to tank and lose, but neither is their focus to win.

Pretty dumb tbh. You don't have to "throw spaghetti at the wall" to figure out how a young player should play and coach him to play that way. Other teams don't do that and they manage just fine. Goes to show just how good of a coach Pop really is.

I don't know what to do so I will sit here and do nothing.

[rjv]

Part of it is also showing Victor what does and doesn't work in the NBA. It's really hard to tell a 19 YO that without seeming to want to limit him, which I'm sure they don't. You have to let him see it for himself. He's already stopped the one footed 3 pointers. His base and form look much better.

kenny smith had a great take after the first phoenix win that TNT carried; he said that Wemby will start to shown signs of development on his second go around with teams, because he will have the opportunity to process how each team plays him. shaq added how he learned so much from his first season and used it to improve in his second (in Shaq's case, he mentioned how he learned to read double teams much better and look for the open shooters).

[TDomination]

4 wide with Wemby roaming around the middle, getting into pick and rolls and being the benefitiary of dump off passes or putbacks from teammates' drives. That's the absolute most efficient way to utilize Wemby right now. He could seriously average 30 pts per game just from doing that.

I'm clearly not advocating for him doing only this, we need to develop his all around game. I'm just saying that I would like to see more of that efficient way of playing.

I wouldn't mind seeing this.

Wemby hangs out too much in the perimeter. Its fine now and again but thats his main spot it seems.

What I'm wondering is...Is this Pops strategy or is this where Wemby feels most comfortable?

If its where Wemby feels most comfortable, I wonder if the fiasco with Aldridge causes Pop to hesitate to try and make Wemby into something that he is not right now. I post up player, or a player that plays mostly inside.

Pop might feel a strong desire to put Wemby downlow like Timmy. But then if this "boxes" Wemby in and limits his game like with Aldridge then he might be afraid of backlash like what happened with Lamarcus.

I just see a lot of potential for Wemby down low. Yeah he needs a bit more weight but not much honestly. And you don't have to limit him to just downlow but that needs to be added more often than not.

[exstatic]

What's a 4 wide offense?

I think he might mean 4 out, 1 in. 4 players playing outside the 3 point line, and one in the dunker's spot. That usually only works if you have a load of shooters.

[mudyez]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/11/9/23953741/victor-wembanyama-san-antonio-spurs-madison-square-garden?fbclid=PAAaZTQVh7EdHOH-rCNkoah7ab2Tyte3lkzbSKPO49W6VLP1c6VUYm2GTF2ZQ

Well said KOC!

[spurraider21]

remember that vegas over/under for wins on the season was 28.5

my concern is not really the wins and losses. its the sheer lack of competitiveness that we've seen for quite a bit already thats maddening. against the clippers, pacers, and knicks, the games were over before they started.

in one game against the suns, we were basically awol for the first half, and in the other, for the second half (until the last few minutes). same thing with toronto. jumped on them in first half, and went awol in 2nd half and OT

i can stomach losses like dallas. the others...

[Obstructed_View]

But at the same time, getting obliterated all the time has a huge impact on morale. Losing teaching you a valuable lesson, losing by 20-30 often is a different story
You're right. I watched almost all of last season. I have turned off as many games this year as last year. Watching them fumble the ball out of bounds or not rotate or just ignore throwing the ball to Victor when he's open is fucking maddening. Can't imagine how frustrating it is for the players.

[playbonner15]

I think he might mean 4 out, 1 in. 4 players playing outside the 3 point line, and one in the dunker's spot. That usually only works if you have a load of shooters.
sucks that Devin's the only 3pt threat in the starting lineup, Keldon's shot is inconsistent. McD and Cedi can shoot the 3s at a more regular clip when they come in but the defense suffers. FO needs to draft a good PG

[playbonner15]

https://x.com/N_Magaro/status/1722703022210294225?s=20

Im sure FO is aware of the PG situation for Wemby.. Im not sure if Pacers will let go of McConnell for Spurs' useless picks.... but I agree, Pacers might be willing trade McConnell, he's not seeing minutes, they have a lot of capable ball handlers (Haliburton, Nembhard, Mathurin)

[exstatic]

https://x.com/N_Magaro/status/1722703022210294225?s=20

Im sure FO is aware of the PG situation for Wemby.. Im not sure if Pacers will let go of McConnell for Spurs' useless picks.... but I agree, Pacers might be willing trade McConnell, he's not seeing minutes, they have a lot of capable ball handlers (Haliburton, Nembhard, Mathurin)

McConnell is no better than Jones,and would be a waste of picks and a roster spot.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??

[playbonner15]

Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??
need a warm body who can throw lobs to Vic :lol

[MultiTroll]

44% fgs even with an a system whose inept coach leaves Wemby with many tough shots / very few gimmes.

[CGD]

Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??

I think his real take is: play him with a real PG, period. It’s a view shared by many here.

Also, if the Sochan at PG things is supposedly for better D, that doesn’t seem to be working either based on recent performances. Not because of him per se. I still think the answer longer terms requires Keldon going to the bench.

[The Truth #6]

I'm ok with trading for a point guard when the moment is right but he's not necessarily better than Tre Jones. That's my point. It's a waste of a trade.

[rankingtear]

Well, he will have to learn to set better screens then. Do you really think there's a plausible scenario where Wemby can play professional NBA basketball without setting screens?

How can you learn not being 7-4?

[daslicer]

This is going to be a very frustrating experience for maybe a few years. I say this because this situation with Wemby and his teammates reminds me of Yao's situation in Houston his first few years playing with Mobley and Francis. Those 2 guys were extreme ball hogs and wouldn't pass the ball to Yao a lot of times when he was in position to score but would instead wave him off and take a bad shot. Things didn't get better for Yao until the Rockets got rid of both of those clowns. The same thing is happening here with Wemby and his teammates.

[DesignatedT]

Nothing is frustrating if you had realistic expectations. Tatum average like 13ppg his rookie season. Pretty sure self-proclaimed goat Lebron missed the playoffs in a very weak eastern conference his first two years in the league. The Spurs have said repeatedly that they are going into the season with no expectations and want to see what they have with the team and Wemby. It's 7 games into this thing. Last thing you want to do is try to rush the process. Getting worked up about anything right now is a gigantic waste of time.

[rankingtear]

This is going to be a very frustrating experience for maybe a few years. I say this because this situation with Wemby and his teammates reminds me of Yao's situation in Houston his first few years playing with Mobley and Francis. Those 2 guys were extreme ball hogs and wouldn't pass the ball to Yao a lot of times when he was in position to score but would instead wave him off and take a bad shot. Things didn't get better for Yao until the Rockets got rid of both of those clowns. The same thing is happening here with Wemby and his teammates.

Wemby does ask for the ball every single time on every situation. Making it look that way to casuals. I think he would lead the league in asking for the ball. He does it every second.

[The Truth #6]

Wemby is awesome, obviously. He's clutch. But he's not a finished project. Over time he will figure out if he wants to do everything to win or be Wemby and whatever personal goals he has for himself. He has a lot of different elements to his persona. I'm still getting a sense of it.

[daslicer]

Wemby does ask for the ball every single time on every situation. Making it look that way to casuals. I think he would lead the league in asking for the ball. He does it every second.

I agree that's why it's very frustrating to watch. It's obvious he's playing with a bunch of boneheads like Yao was with Mobley and Francis. Spurs will eventually have to get rid of these guys like the Rockets did with Francis and Mobley.

[rankingtear]

I agree that's why it's very frustrating to watch. It's obvious he's playing with a bunch of boneheads like Yao was with Mobley and Francis. Spurs will eventually have to get rid of these guys like the Rockets did with Francis and Mobley.

I think Wemby can play by himself it solves the passing issue. 90 percent of his energy is expended on asking for the ball. One of these days he would ask for the ball on the bench.

[spurraider21]

i dont see the value in mcconnell for the spurs at all

[exstatic]

i dont see the value in mcconnell for the spurs at all

There isn't one, which shocks me because it means that there are people OUTSIDE of ST dumber than the people here.

[JeffDuncan]

I think Wemby can play by himself it solves the passing issue. 90 percent of his energy is expended on asking for the ball. One of these days he would ask for the ball on the bench.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with Wemby raising his arm, at any time. It’s good shoulder exercise for him.

It’s up to the other players, who are supposed to be professionals, to decide when they should take that seriously, and when they should ignore it. If they are unable to make correct decisions, they need to be coached up, or replaced.

And if it bothers you, you should probably scream at the wall until you get it out of your system and feel better.

[mudyez]

Yeah, really bad take by Bill Simmons. TJ McConnell is the answer??

KOC even called his boss out for that.

[The Truth #6]

KOC is all about the rebuilding process. After goofing around for three or four years, the Spurs finally picked a lane and I think KOC is supporting that.

[mystargtr34]

Damn, if TJ McConnell is the answer I wanna hear what the fuckin question is.

[spurraider21]

Damn, if TJ McConnell is the answer I wanna hear what the fuckin question is.
who is a better point guard than jeremy sochan

[DAF86]

Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.

This isn't how he played on France, that's the thing.

[spurraider21]

Pop said many times that he's going to let Victor be Victor. And that's exactly what Victor is doing. He wants to play a certain way and he will (evidently) have to find out the hard way that it isn't going to work like it did in France.

Pop is never going to go full taskmaster on Wemby like he did on Parker back in the day, but while Victor has said that he is teachable and coachable I don't think he's quite there yet. This could be a silver lining to the team getting crushed repeatedly: Victor will realize more quickly that the way he wants to play isn't conducive to winning games.
blame is to be shared. the team misses easy looks to him, a lot. and that's on them. im sure nobody here wants him trying to dance from 22 feet out. so when he does duck into position, or runs the break and has a clear rim-rim... feed him the ball. and they miss a lot of those

then wemby is at fault because he allows those missed opportunities to frustrate him to a degree that next time he has the ball, he plays like he's antoine walker and jacks up bad contested jumpers.

he has a right to be frustrated, but cant let it get to him and cause him to make bad decisions, or play lackadaisical defense. he's showing some of the "muh touches" syndrome and i really hope pop isnt too scared to coach that out of him. at the same time, pop has to make more of an emphasis for the offense to run through those actions that lead to wemby getting isolated down low.

if pops master plan is just to have all the players out there figure it out among themselves, then im not quite sure why we are paying him to coach

[MultiTroll]

Will be interesting to see if Wama ever gets some competent coaching in his NBA career.

Fabulous game vs MINN.

Unreal how much he is held back by Granda Power Trip Senile and parts of this roster.

[TrainOfThought5]

I think his real take is: play him with a real PG, period. It’s a view shared by many here.

Also, if the Sochan at PG things is supposedly for better D, that doesn’t seem to be working either based on recent performances. Not because of him per se. I still think the answer longer terms requires Keldon going to the bench.
Sending keldon to the bench is only the right thing to do if Sochan can shoot well enough to play SF. he can’t. Because Wemby is definitely not playing Center.

[CapitalEmm]

blame is to be shared. the team misses easy looks to him, a lot. and that's on them. im sure nobody here wants him trying to dance from 22 feet out. so when he does duck into position, or runs the break and has a clear rim-rim... feed him the ball. and they miss a lot of those

then wemby is at fault because he allows those missed opportunities to frustrate him to a degree that next time he has the ball, he plays like he's antoine walker and jacks up bad contested jumpers.

he has a right to be frustrated, but cant let it get to him and cause him to make bad decisions, or play lackadaisical defense. he's showing some of the "muh touches" syndrome and i really hope pop isnt too scared to coach that out of him. at the same time, pop has to make more of an emphasis for the offense to run through those actions that lead to wemby getting isolated down low.

if pops master plan is just to have all the players out there figure it out among themselves, then im not quite sure why we are paying him to coach

This is such a great take and exactly what I read from his body language. I too noticed Wemby takes a lot of frustration shots after getting missed on offense for a few plays.


As for Pop, he’s always had cerebral players who could “figure it out” and was never some kind of basketball mastermind. He was a relationship builder who kept Hall of Famers playing in a small market. He’s never had to coach up low BBIQ players.

[SpursFan86]

Victor very much seems like a momentum type player. Once he makes a big play or two, you can visibly see his body language change and he feels more engaged with the game. He needs to work on having that sort of motor/ferocity more consistently but damn has he been impressive in spurts…going to be scary if/when he puts it all together + has a better surrounding cast to help out.

[thiste]

29 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 3 turnovers in 35 minutes.

[CorrectCrusader]

Victor very much seems like a momentum type player. Once he makes a big play or two, you can visibly see his body language change and he feels more engaged with the game. He needs to work on having that sort of motor/ferocity more consistently but damn has he been impressive in spurts…going to be scary if/when he puts it all together + has a better surrounding cast to help out.

Bro is just like me fr

[thiste]

29 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 1 steal, 3 turnovers in 35 minutes.

BTW one more indication that he's the next one to have a quadruple double if he can do this in his 8th game ever.

[thiste]

Back in May KAT was wondering what it'd be like when Wemby plays against him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O62r7vT-mdc

Well now we know... so far this season their respective stats are remarkably similar, even in percentages (I'd give the edge to Victor tho, less minutes, way more blocks, etc...).

https://i.imgur.com/otCeErG.png

Reminder one is a franchise player in his prime at 28, the other a teenager with less than 10 games in their NBA career. Let's you put things in perspective :lol

[boutons_deux]

one minute left

Keldon tries a 6 foot jumper from the lane, and in typical Keldon 4th qtr performance, ball not in the cylinder, bounces off the front of the rim.

VW is standing ALL ALONE several feet away to the side,

SPECTATING Keldon's miss,

makes NO move to grab the rebound which was sorta in his direction.

Heat grabs the rebound uncontested

That Boy Don't Play Right

WTF

He needs to instructed, trained to crash the boards, NOT to spectate from no man's land every damn shot?

WTF WTF WTF

The VW cultists here lost in the hype, rather than watching VW play badly.

[KDKSpurs24]

one minute left

Keldon tries a 6 foot jumper from the lane, and in typical Keldon 4th qtr performance, ball not in the cylinder, bounces off the front of the rim.

VW is standing ALL ALONE several feet away to the side,

SPECTATING Keldon's miss,

makes NO move to grab the rebound which was sorta in his direction.

Heat grabs the rebound uncontested

That Boy Don't Play Right

WTF

He needs to instructed, trained to crash the boards, NOT to spectate from no man's land every damn shot?

WTF WTF WTF

The VW cultists here lost in the hype, rather than watching VW play badly.

I actually agree. I notice these things as well. Also he has had several opportunities throughout the games to help a teammate contest or block a shot underneath the basket but he just stands there and his teammates get scored on. He has rare height and ability to where I’m sure he can help block those shots unlike any other player but he’s either not willing to do it or he’s trying to save energy.

[Pauleta14]

You're harsh on Wemby

Yes he could do more, but he's already doing more than expected.

You don't realise the energy requiered to be active on offense and defense all the time especially for a 7'4 rookie. Trying to block every shots is tiering him up quick so he;s saving energy on some plays on D.

It's only his 10th game, he's not strong enough for the NBA rythm and still "improvising" most of the time on O without a PG or any veterans to help/teach

[JeffDuncan]

one minute left

Keldon tries a 6 foot jumper from the lane,
…



Vassell. Not Keldon.


VW is standing ALL ALONE several feet away to the side,
..:



Victor knows things you don’t. Namely, his defender goes where he goes.

When Vassell drove to the middle, Victor moved away, to try to draw Adebayo away from the middle. That is why Victor moved outward. It was the right action to take.

As far as crashing the board, Collins did that. He crashed from the top. It appeared to be by design, where Vassell would take the shot, Collins would crash to try to follow, and Victor would stay clear to help with transition defense.

If Victor had crashed the board too, it would have meant three Spurs tangled up in the lane, and only two able to get back on defense against a possible break.

You’ve picked the wrong action to criticize.


That Boy Don't Play Right


Or perhaps you don’t criticize right.

However, yes, I do know what you mean. I’ve seen it too, that Victor can be uninterested in fighting for a rebound. This particular action isn’t a good example, but valid examples certainly do exist, no question. It calls for some serious coaching.

[boutons_deux]

You're harsh on Wemby

Yes he could do more, but he's already doing more than expected.

You don't realise the energy requiered to be active on offense and defense all the time especially for a 7'4 rookie. Trying to block every shots is tiering him up quick so he;s saving energy on some plays on D.

It's only his 10th game, he's not strong enough for the NBA rythm and still "improvising" most of the time on O without a PG or any veterans to help/teach

he is often seen, ON BOTH ENDS, uselessly lollgagging around in no man's land. from there, he can't defend the basket, get RBs, block shots, alter shots, opposition players drive right past him while he waches, can't challenge 3pt shooters,

He moves effortslessly, have yet to see if blow hard, in excellent shape, when he busts his ass and needs a blow, ok, but he's not hustling.

He would have to move less, conserve energy if he stayed low and dangerous instead of calling for the ball to shoot 3s at 30% rate.

[thiste]

I saw that too but I attribute it to coaches telling him not to commit to everything because that puts him in foul trouble. He wasn't doing this last season in France.

I think he's currently just trying to find the right balance.

[Obstructed_View]

He parks in the corner when that's his role in the offense. The rest of the time he's moving with purpose. I haven't seen him lollygag a single time when he's on the court.

Anybody else think he's eventually gonna start getting calls for all the holding and grabbing they do to him in the paint?

[baseline bum]

You're harsh on Wemby

Yes he could do more, but he's already doing more than expected.

You don't realise the energy requiered to be active on offense and defense all the time especially for a 7'4 rookie. Trying to block every shots is tiering him up quick so he;s saving energy on some plays on D.

It's only his 10th game, he's not strong enough for the NBA rythm and still "improvising" most of the time on O without a PG or any veterans to help/teach

Yeah he's doing amazing. The only thing I'd really like to change is him pulling up for threes off the dribble when guarded early in the shot clock. I definitely don't want him to stop shooting the three since it's going to be a deadly weapon for him and you don't want to put a guy of his talent in a box but just wish he'd cut down a bit on the really low percentage stuff. I think his jumper though and his footwork on it looks better than it did in preseason, and far better than in summer league.

[boutons_deux]

I saw that too but I attribute it to coaches telling him not to commit to everything because that puts him in foul trouble. He wasn't doing this last season in France.

I think he's currently just trying to find the right balance.

there was one minute left, avoiding foul trouble? :lol

[PrimeMinister]

started 0-7 from distance but hit his final 2 shots to finish 2-9. have to admire the confidence to keep shooting at least.

his shot selection will improve and he will learn when to attack close outs as the season progresses. had a few opportunities for a pump fake and drive but settled knowing he can easily shoot over his defender.

definitely has some of the kobe mindset offensively

[spurraider21]

started 0-7 from distance but hit his final 2 shots to finish 2-9. have to admire the confidence to keep shooting at least.

his shot selection will improve and he will learn when to attack close outs as the season progresses. had a few opportunities for a pump fake and drive but settled knowing he can easily shoot over his defender.

definitely has some of the kobe mindset offensively
theres just no point to settle for that quality of a shot (a quasi-contested 3... nobody is really contesting his 3's) that early in the shot clock, when he can get that identical shot literally any time he wants. like sure, clock winding down, offense sputters, and they just toss the ball to him at the 3 point line with 6 seconds on the clock. sure, set your guy up and shoot a pull up 3 over him then.

[PrimeMinister]

theres just no point to settle for that quality of a shot (a quasi-contested 3... nobody is really contesting his 3's) that early in the shot clock, when he can get that identical shot literally any time he wants. like sure, clock winding down, offense sputters, and they just toss the ball to him at the 3 point line with 6 seconds on the clock. sure, set your guy up and shoot a pull up 3 over him then.

true, i agree. like i said as the season progresses and he watches film, sees where he can put the ball on the floor, and slows the game down mentally he will cut down on those bad shots early in the clock.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I really, really hope Vic diverges from being a Towns/Aldridge type.

He loves a jumpshot though.

[PrimeMinister]

the thing he has over those 2 is his intelligence, mindset, and drive to be one of the greats. as his body matures and he learns to trust himself inside he will discover dominating the paint is the key to him unlocking his full potential.

[playbonner15]

I really, really hope Vic diverges from being a Towns/Aldridge type.

He loves a jumpshot though.

Im more ok with Vic emulating Dirk, those drive and fadeaways were killer

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Still shoots WAY too many jumpers

[Pauleta14]

The excessive 3pts shooting isn't a big issue to solve, it's probably one of his (very few) immature sides. He knows it imo and as soon as he'll know what he has to do and his real position (once Pop closes this "we're just watching him" era) it'll be fine. Mind that a lot of those come at the end of the possession as a last resort.

I'm more concerned by his (lack of) athleticism and ability to play that many minutes with the requiered energy especially on D.

He seems to have alreday lost some weight compared to his pre season form and it's only been 10 games...

[TD 21]

Wembanyama is a more extreme version of Davis physically and skillset wise because he's a generation later, but I expect his career to follow a similar trajectory.

The latter balked (and still does, yet plays it basically exclusively) at not just being known as a C (a la Duncan), but actually playing it (a la Aldridge until he was basically forced to) and attempted to be more of a perimeter type first as opposed to a big with perimeter skills.

Flash forward to mid career and he's very much morphed into the latter.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Im more ok with Vic emulating Dirk, those drive and fadeaways were killer

Dirk was a great player, but not particularly well-rounded and not always close to winning a championship. I will always like Dirk, but playing that way is sub-optimal when you are 7foot. There are better things to be doing, and the game gets a little more out of sorts for the opposing team when the scoring and assisting is more post-oriented.

Vic looks like he wants to be a cutesy wing player, but that's a waste of time. You can play big and have a jumpshot for when you get caught out near the perimeter, but the perimeter is not where you hang all the time when you are trying to have all-around control of the game.

[Obstructed_View]

I love when fans make these sweeping pronouncements about a 19 year old unicorn who hasn't even figured out where he fits on an NBA court yet.

[rjv]

I love when fans make these sweeping pronouncements about a 19 year old unicorn who hasn't even figured out where he fits on an NBA court yet.

i was thinking the same thing. wemby and the spurs don't even know how he is going to wind playing but the ST experts already have him boxed in.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly don't even blame him for the 0-7 shooting. To me, that shit is all on Pop. I get not wanting to limit what this dude can be, but I find it really hard to think of a scenario where 27 foot jumpers with 18 on the shot clock are ever going to be a highly efficient shot.

For me, I don't mind him shooting jumpers. I certainly don't mind him shooting 3s. If you take away all the really poor 3 point decisions that are simply self inflicted wounds, he's shooting pretty damn well from deep. Even off the dribble he's not too bad.

I don't know why people don't want him shooting jumpers. He's got a very high quality jumper and its a completely unblockable shot that he can get over anyone. This is going to be a staple moving forward. Its good. But I definitely want him shooting more mid ranged jumpers over people and 3s that are actually open and in the flow of the offense.

People saying he shoots too many jumpers are insane, IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

Dirk was a great player, but not particularly well-rounded and not always close to winning a championship. I will always like Dirk, but playing that way is sub-optimal when you are 7foot. There are better things to be doing, and the game gets a little more out of sorts for the opposing team when the scoring and assisting is more post-oriented.

Vic looks like he wants to be a cutesy wing player, but that's a waste of time. You can play big and have a jumpshot for when you get caught out near the perimeter, but the perimeter is not where you hang all the time when you are trying to have all-around control of the game.

This is nonsense. Plenty of players have controlled the game from the perimeter. That idea that Wemby can't do that is ridiculous. The kid obviously loves to dunk and looks to do so all the damn time but he's also right to try to have a 3 point game. His jump shot will likely be unstoppable. How do you stop this guy from shooting 18 footers over you all night? How do you stop that? Why force someone with his body type to pound in the post if he can just raise up and constantly hit an 18 footer instead?

[exstatic]

Still shoots WAY too many jumpers

The thing is, he’s always open. There’s never a contest. Live game action isn’t materially different from shoot around for him.

[offset formation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyXUt5SM810

Thanks for posting. Translations/CC were shit though.

[DAF86]

I love when fans make these sweeping pronouncements about a 19 year old unicorn who hasn't even figured out where he fits on an NBA court yet.


i was thinking the same thing. wemby and the spurs don't even know how he is going to wind playing but the ST experts already have him boxed in.

It really isn't difficult at all to see how Wemby's skillset would be best utilized, tbh.

Anyone having trouble accepting that Wemby is a bigman just mindlessly bought the "7'5" Kevin Durant" narrative and is whishfully waiting for it to happen, when it never will.

It's ok, though. Wemby can be way more dominant than Durant playing the inside out bigman game ala Jokic, only with his own style.

[TheBallsbreakers]

I agree. When those shots start falling people are gonna be saying differently.
However, shots at the rim should be preferred and should be more his staple.
I don't understand why they went away from the approach they took in the second Suns game.
Victor throws better entry passes than his teammates, FFS.

[Pauleta14]

2nd Suns game their idiot coach went small ball (even surprised Pop who thought Nurkic was injured at the press conference)

No other team did it since

[Alain]

It really isn't difficult at all to see how Wemby's skillset would be best utilized, tbh.

So wrong.
As of now, it is almost impossible to see anything...
What Victor brings is not only new, it is unthinkable. There is no precedent, no actual or past players to compare him with. The Durant comparaison might be the most accurate, but by defaut and does not show even half of the whole picture. It's like discovering a brand new, exotic, unpredictable particle; at some point, if you want to have an idea of what it is made of and how it can be useful, you have to throw it in the colisioner and see what's happening. This is what they are doing right now, and it may take some time.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Shaq would insist you're wrong, though.

There's Bol Bol before him. :eyebrows

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKsG5aoaC_Q

[daslicer]

Wembanyama is a more extreme version of Davis physically and skillset wise because he's a generation later, but I expect his career to follow a similar trajectory.

The latter balked (and still does, yet plays it basically exclusively) at not just being known as a C (a la Duncan), but actually playing it (a la Aldridge until he was basically forced to) and attempted to be more of a perimeter type first as opposed to a big with perimeter skills.

Flash forward to mid career and he's very much morphed into the latter.

Agreed he reminds me of an extreme AD.

[exstatic]

It really isn't difficult at all to see how Wemby's skillset would be best utilized, tbh.

Anyone having trouble accepting that Wemby is a bigman just mindlessly bought the "7'5" Kevin Durant" narrative and is whishfully waiting for it to happen, when it never will.

It's ok, though. Wemby can be way more dominant than Durant playing the inside out bigman game ala Jokic, only with his own style.

Jokic doesn’t set up inside on the block. He sets up outside looking for cutters, then his shot, then maybe a backdown. He definitely plays outside, in.

[DAF86]

So wrong.
As of now, it is almost impossible to see anything...
What Victor brings is not only new, it is unthinkable. There is no precedent, no actual or past players to compare him with. The Durant comparaison might be the most accurate, but by defaut and does not show even half of the whole picture. It's like discovering a brand new, exotic, unpredictable particle; at some point, if you want to have an idea of what it is made of and how it can be useful, you have to throw it in the colisioner and see what's happening. This is what they are doing right now, and it may take some time.

I'll get back to you when Wemby inevitably ends up playing as a fulltime bigman. It might be this season, or the next one, it won't take more than that if the Spurs are serious about helping Wemby develop into the best player he can become.

[Kawhi Duncan]

I would like to see Wemby run a pick and roll as the ball handler

[Kawhi Duncan]

I honestly don't even blame him for the 0-7 shooting. To me, that shit is all on Pop. I get not wanting to limit what this dude can be, but I find it really hard to think of a scenario where 27 foot jumpers with 18 on the shot clock are ever going to be a highly efficient shot.

For me, I don't mind him shooting jumpers. I certainly don't mind him shooting 3s. If you take away all the really poor 3 point decisions that are simply self inflicted wounds, he's shooting pretty damn well from deep. Even off the dribble he's not too bad.

I don't know why people don't want him shooting jumpers. He's got a very high quality jumper and its a completely unblockable shot that he can get over anyone. This is going to be a staple moving forward. Its good. But I definitely want him shooting more mid ranged jumpers over people and 3s that are actually open and in the flow of the offense.

People saying he shoots too many jumpers are insane, IMO.

Exactly... I'd also like to see him come off screens where he has the option to shoot or attack

[Degoat]

I know the spurs don’t operate this way but Wemby has exceeded my expectations, wouldnt one want to start surrounding him with better talent if something becomes available in a trade?

[PrimeMinister]

I know the spurs don’t operate this way but Wemby has exceeded my expectations, wouldnt one want to start surrounding him with better talent if something becomes available in a trade?

would for me need to be a guy on his first contract yet to hit RFA or locked into an extension. we're likely to have at least 4 first rounders in the next 2 drafts and even more down the line. some combination of picks and players are gonna have to be consolidated at some point. is that this offseason? we'll see. but there's certainly no need to scramble and make a deal just for the sake of it.

[scott]

Great stat here

1724478878750577014

[spurraider21]

1724544308982808893

[Pauleta14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpxAqyxCw0

[Obstructed_View]

It really isn't difficult at all to see how Wemby's skillset would be best utilized, tbh.

Anyone having trouble accepting that Wemby is a bigman just mindlessly bought the "7'5" Kevin Durant" narrative and is whishfully waiting for it to happen, when it never will.

You say it isn't hard, but it sounds like you got it exactly wrong. He is way closer to KD than to any center who has ever played, and he demonstrates it every game. There's no waiting for it to happen. He has elite ball handling skills and a butter smooth jumper. He is a great passer and excels on the fast break.

He gets bodied up and mauled down low and hasn't learned to draw whistles. He has basically only scored on dunks or circus shots in the paint so far. Traditional center is literally his worst position right now. I have zero doubt he will come in next year and dominate at that position because of his smarts and will to be great, but it's a weakness to exploit right now.

[tim_duncan_fan]

This is nonsense. Plenty of players have controlled the game from the perimeter. That idea that Wemby can't do that is ridiculous. The kid obviously loves to dunk and looks to do so all the damn time but he's also right to try to have a 3 point game. His jump shot will likely be unstoppable. How do you stop this guy from shooting 18 footers over you all night? How do you stop that? Why force someone with his body type to pound in the post if he can just raise up and constantly hit an 18 footer instead?

Well yeah, it's a little different if he makes that work.

Still, playing inside first, then out second, will continue to be the more likely path to dominance.


1724544308982808893

EasyMoneySniper numbers right there

[tonight...you]

I'll get back to you when Wemby inevitably ends up playing as a fulltime bigman. It might be this season, or the next one, it won't take more than that if the Spurs are serious about helping Wemby develop into the best player he can become.
I think you're going to be disappointed.

[DAF86]

You say it isn't hard, but it sounds like you got it exactly wrong. He is way closer to KD than to any center who has ever played, and he demonstrates it every game. There's no waiting for it to happen. He has elite ball handling skills and a butter smooth jumper. He is a great passer and excels on the fast break.

He gets bodied up and mauled down low and hasn't learned to draw whistles. He has basically only scored on dunks or circus shots in the paint so far. Traditional center is literally his worst position right now. I have zero doubt he will come in next year and dominate at that position because of his smarts and will to be great, but it's a weakness to exploit right now.

He doesn't have either. :lol

He has great ball-handling skills FOR A 7'5" GUY. He doesn't have great ball-handling skills in general. That's why he leads the NBA in TOs. Also, he has a nice looking jumper, but he shoots 30% on threes. I expect him to become a slightly above average jumpshooter, but he will never be KD.

[DAF86]

I think you're going to be disappointed.

I won't be disapointed either way, because either (a) he becomes Keving Durant 2.0, which would be great (but it won't happen), or (b) I'm right.

Either way, Wemby will dominate.

[Obstructed_View]

He doesn't have either. :lol

He has great ball-handling skills FOR A 7'5" GUY. He doesn't have great ball-handling skills in general. That's why he leads the NBA in TOs. Also, he has a nice looking jumper, but he shoots 30% on threes. I expect him to become a slightly above average jumpshooter, but he will never be KD.
Okay. You're an idiot. No point in arguing about it, I guess.

[DAF86]

Okay. You're an idiot. No point in arguing about it, I guess.

Insulting won't make you right. Are you even watching the games? Tell me where are these great ball-handling skills and butter smooth jumper you're talking about.

[DAF86]

And there goes Wemby run of scoring double digits in every game.

[spurraider21]

He doesn't have either. :lol

He has great ball-handling skills FOR A 7'5" GUY. He doesn't have great ball-handling skills in general. That's why he leads the NBA in TOs. Also, he has a nice looking jumper, but he shoots 30% on threes. I expect him to become a slightly above average jumpshooter, but he will never be KD.
a taller, longer anthony davis with a jumper that extends out past the 3 point line

he may never get as bulky as davis is now, but doesnt have to with his length advantage

[DAF86]

a taller, longer anthony davis with a jumper that extends out past the 3 point line

he may never get as bulky as davis is now, but doesnt have to with his length advantage


Okay. You're an idiot. No point in arguing about it, I guess.

[LakerHater]

https://images4.imagebam.com/9b/82/4a/MEQ7EKP_o.gif

[rankingtear]

This guy has to create his offense at least half the time to even take us anywhere. He has to function without a prime Chris Paul.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJCzvSsEzqY&t=2s

[boutons_deux]

And there goes Wemby run of scoring double digits in every game.

... In losses

He is, not yet, the game changer, a game winner

[Kawhi_6rings]

he can't even made 10 feet in past 4 games

[Kawhi_6rings]

wemby is liabilty beat anyone off the dribble............

[exstatic]

19 pts 13 rb 8 blocks, and people are bitching.

[Kawhi_6rings]

SHOOT BELOW 40FG%

[Tyronn Lue]

He's got a team full of guys trying to get paid. Anyone can throw the ball to Victor. They want to remain in the league, not just be rotational guys who throw the ball and aren't heard from again. The Spurs are AAU right now, with star in the building so they are trying to show out.

[Jordan Jackson]

He's got a team full of guys trying to get paid. Anyone can throw the ball to Victor. They want to remain in the league, not just be rotational guys who throw the ball and aren't heard from again. The Spurs are AAU right now, with star in the building so they are trying to show out.

True. And those guys doing that won’t be wearing a Spurs uniform for very long. This reminds me a little of LeBron first year in Cleveland. Sean Elliott also said the Spurs had the same problem Duncan’s first year.

Fit in or fit out. That moment is coming.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1727024809052168554

"What disappoints me a little is his shooting percentage. For me, that's not enough for a player like him," said Collet via Basket News (https://basketnews.com/). "There are various factors at play, including how he's assisted by his teammates. They should be providing him with more opportunities for easier baskets, which could boost his shooting percentage."

"And then the connection with teammates. Against Sacramento, he took 26 shots and made zero assists. For me, it's embarrassing," Collet said. "But you also have to be patient, the NBA season only started four weeks ago."

[jermaine]

Our guards act as if Wemby isn't thst dude. I blame Pop for not putting the team in its place.

[cool cat]

He looked tired last night.

[Drom John]

He doesn't have either. :lol

He has great ball-handling skills FOR A 7'5" GUY. He doesn't have great ball-handling skills in general. That's why he leads the NBA in TOs. Also, he has a nice looking jumper, but he shoots 30% on threes. I expect him to become a slightly above average jumpshooter, but he will never be KD.

Durant was a .288 3P shooter as a rookie, .284 in Kevin's first 14 games.

[DAF86]

Durant was a .288 3P shooter as a rookie, .284 in Kevin's first 14 games.

Durant was also was an elite shooter in college. Wemby has never shot over 30% from 3 in his career. Elite shooters usually come as elite shooters from the get go. It is very rare to have a guy that wasn't elite at shooting and become that on the NBA. The only one I can think of is Kawhi (if one can consider Kawhi's shooting splits as "elite").

[CGD]

1727024809052168554

"What disappoints me a little is his shooting percentage. For me, that's not enough for a player like him," said Collet via Basket News (https://basketnews.com/). "There are various factors at play, including how he's assisted by his teammates. They should be providing him with more opportunities for easier baskets, which could boost his shooting percentage."

"And then the connection with teammates. Against Sacramento, he took 26 shots and made zero assists. For me, it's embarrassing," Collet said. "But you also have to be patient, the NBA season only started four weeks ago."

Truth nukes

[Mugen]

Leave it to the French to put things so bluntly and accurately tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Can we replace Pop with him? Guarantee at least more wins than with Pop.

[TD 21]

Historically, free throw shooting is a good indicator of the potential from 3 and Wembanyama shot 83% last season and is currently at 78% this season. Between that, the form, fluidity and versatility, somewhere in that there's a + shooter, at least positionally as a C.

As frustrating as it is to watch his decision making and how they're setting him up to fail in a general sense, I still think the wait and see approach in a specific one is the wise move.

Let the league humble him, so that he (hopefully) learns on his own how he needs to play to be most effective, as opposed to putting him in a box and making him the latest Spur to gripe about lack of freedom on the way out.

[Pauleta14]

He used to put more arch to his 3s, I wonder if the Spurs made him change that and if it impacts his efficiency

[baseline bum]

1727024809052168554

"What disappoints me a little is his shooting percentage. For me, that's not enough for a player like him," said Collet via Basket News (https://basketnews.com/). "There are various factors at play, including how he's assisted by his teammates. They should be providing him with more opportunities for easier baskets, which could boost his shooting percentage."

"And then the connection with teammates. Against Sacramento, he took 26 shots and made zero assists. For me, it's embarrassing," Collet said. "But you also have to be patient, the NBA season only started four weeks ago."

Remember when we'd watch Victor's Mets92 games and talk about how the Spurs would have guards that would actually get him the damn ball? :lol

[baseline bum]

He used to put more arch to his 3s, I wonder if the Spurs made him change that and if it impacts his efficiency

On Mets92 and in the summer league it seemed like Victor used to shoot a lot of threes with his knees caving inwards but that he's doing it less now. Wonder if it's affecting the power on his shot or if he's just having to get used to an NBA schedule and that's why his three is often coming up short. Overall I think it's probably good to eliminate that inward movement in his knees to get his shot on-line better.

[Splits]

And if you are tracking who is assisting Wembanyama the most this season, Tre Jones comes in with 15 assists to the rookie followed by Keldon Johnson with 13 and Devin Vassell with 11.

Who's missing from this list? I can't quite put my finger on it...

[baseline bum]

Historically, free throw shooting is a good indicator of the potential from 3 and Wembanyama shot 83% last season and is currently at 78% this season. Between that, the form, fluidity and versatility, somewhere in that there's a + shooter, at least positionally as a C.

As frustrating as it is to watch his decision making and how they're setting him up to fail in a general sense, I still think the wait and see approach in a specific one is the wise move.

Let the league humble him, so that he (hopefully) learns on his own how he needs to play to be most effective, as opposed to putting him in a box and making him the latest Spur to gripe about lack of freedom on the way out.

Yeah I don't think he'll ever be a shooter like Durant or Dirk but I expect his jumper will end up quite a bit better than Garnett's for instance.

[baseline bum]

Can we replace Pop with him? Guarantee at least more wins than with Pop.

He didn't really get the ball to Victor that well either tbh

[exstatic]

I think Collet was the guy that Victor was throwing shade at this summer. He wasn’t happy that Collet subtly criticized him for skipping the World Cup.

[Pauleta14]

IIRCC Victor said the Spurs modified the positioning of his thumb. Don't recall anything else

But it could definitely be a period of adaptation and one of the reasons (with right selections) for his low %

[spurraider21]

Victors 3pt% wasn’t any better before his time as a spur so it’s not like something has changed that has caused his % to be what it is.

his 3 ball, and long jumpers generally, need to be his change up not his fastball. I get that he doesn’t have the strength to muscle down low but most teams are defending him with SFs…

He’s got to be able to work around that with his length if not his strength

yes teammates miss a lot of his opportunities near the rim but that doesn’t mean he just needs to burp up long pull up jumper every touch

[CorrectCrusader]

Remember when we'd watch Victor's Mets92 games and talk about how the Spurs would have guards that would actually get him the damn ball? :lol

I was thinking about this, entire threads full of "man wait until Wemby actually has good teammates"

woof were we wrong

[spursparker9]

Who's missing from this list? I can't quite put my finger on it...

I think is some guy with weird hair color and was the 1st Spur to attend Wemby's press conference before the draft.

[boutons_deux]

VW has no hustle, not an energy player, very little movement

Stands around spectating shots

Doesn't crash the boards around the 3-point line waving for the wall

Floats around 3-point line waving for the wall

Loses contested rebounds to smaller players

For all his gifts, he's not a very good basketball player, low BBIQ,

and that's not because he's young

His game might evolve to match his talents, but it's going to take years

He just isn't much use right now

[boutons_deux]

VW would be winning games. Almost single heavily if he had the hustle and aggression of Bassey and Osman

[Amuseddaysleeper]

His shot selection is terrible

[scott]

His shot selection is terrible

Indeed it is, as is Vassell's (there are stats that shows Vassell's shot quality is amongst the worst in the league). But how much if part of bad decision making and how much of it because there are no good shots in this offense, because it is so disjointed by having a guy who can't dribble or pass playing PG?

[JH22]

In what world does a team get a generational talent fall to them and we let bums like Sochan, Collins etc get more shot attemps per game?

Wemby should be seeing the rock at least 10 times more than those guys.

Does Pop have something against feeding the ball to one or two guys like Philly does or is he he'll bent on having this spread out, deep offense?

Wemby and Vassel should be seeing 20 shots per game each. Keldon should be getting more looks and Sochan should be on the bench eating nachos.

[Pauleta14]

boutons_deux I hope you get better

[thiste]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4P5W1PsoBo

[Rocalcio]

When I see all the criticisms about him on this board, I believe you don't deserve this player. You'd be more happy with Scoot ?
Just give him some fucking time, damn...

[heyheymymy]

Loving this alleged new V1W Victor Wembanyama player logo

Looks slick if authentic

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVfDH0Mgmo8&t=1s


John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719) here goes the interview of Pop saying "the most important thing this season will be winning" right at the start of the video. I'm really glad more people are recognizing that this team is just terribly coached

[Texas_Ranger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVfDH0Mgmo8&t=1s


John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719) here goes the interview of Pop saying "the most important thing this season will be winning" right at the start of the video. I'm really glad more people are recognizing that this team is just terribly coached

i have no idea what people were watching the last 4 years, as it was very obvious we don't have a real coach... Some people are so late to this, its pretty sad.

[RC_Drunkford]

i have no idea what people were watching the last 4 years, as it was very obvious we don't have a real coach... Some people are so late to this, its pretty sad.

I don't think regular NBA fans watched the Spurs for the last 4 years tbh. Sniffer Spurs fans on the other hand are just delusional and think Pop can't make mistakes.

[Splits]

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[TheBallsbreakers]

1728982080087073229
Super impressive.

[thiste]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83WA7M1uYcs

[thiste]

In the first 2 minutes of the video Jokic gives his first impression of Victor, very kind words and he knows what's up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3XzT2C3TE

[playbonner15]

https://x.com/SpursCulture/status/1729243322458243559

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jY5_yLg8w

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jY5_yLg8w

Dumb. It’s like some AI read this board and made a video.

[thiste]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehGtwGcSabc

[playbonner15]

https://x.com/BalaPattySZN/status/1728961760051568990

:lol

[polandprzem]

He has been pushed out by every single player.
He is so weak it's insane.

But even if ... He can still put some decent numbers.

His D has ways to go tbh. He is not good rebounder. But again with more syrengthhe will be able to rebound better and have better positions on the court.

Bad thing though is that his impact is not bringing wins... Je is just another player.

[Brazil]

He has been pushed out by every single player.
He is so weak it's insane.

But even if ... He can still put some decent numbers.

His D has ways to go tbh. He is not good rebounder. But again with more syrengthhe will be able to rebound better and have better positions on the court.

Bad thing though is that his impact is not bringing wins... Je is just another player.

not sure if serious :lol

[MI21]

He has been pushed out by every single player.
He is so weak it's insane.

But even if ... He can still put some decent numbers.

His D has ways to go tbh. He is not good rebounder. But again with more syrengthhe will be able to rebound better and have better positions on the court.

Bad thing though is that his impact is not bringing wins... Je is just another player.

Have you actually watched any of the games?

[Brazil]

Have you actually watched any of the games?

doubt it :lol

[lefty]

In the first 2 minutes of the video Jokic gives his first impression of Victor, very kind words and he knows what's up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3XzT2C3TE
My nikka Jokic

[Pauleta14]

He has been pushed out by every single player.
He is so weak it's insane.

But even if ... He can still put some decent numbers.

His D has ways to go tbh. He is not good rebounder. But again with more syrengthhe will be able to rebound better and have better positions on the court.

Bad thing though is that his impact is not bringing wins... Je is just another player.

nice troll job

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the polish player that everyone is tired of… :lol

[Davidicus]

Pretty much spot on. This takes time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-rkpHZvzo&t=342s&ab_channel=TheRinger

[Seventyniner]

Pretty much spot on. This takes time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-rkpHZvzo&t=342s&ab_channel=TheRinger

Austin Rivers must read ST :lol

But even someone like Austin seems to have bought into the whole "Victor only got 12 shots this game wtf" narrative. Victor is #17 in the league in usage at 30.5%. The second highest Spur is Vassell at #61 (23.6%).

Victor is the star of this team and the numbers prove it. His overall usage isn't the problem.

[Pauleta14]

https://youtu.be/RwNLYdXHpJc?si=omQM2fENm_HNRCCS

Victor keeps impressing me tbh. Very interesting answers

Spurs and Pop soooooo lucky

[CorrectCrusader]

He has been pushed out by every single player.
He is so weak it's insane.

But even if ... He can still put some decent numbers.

His D has ways to go tbh. He is not good rebounder. But again with more syrengthhe will be able to rebound better and have better positions on the court.

Bad thing though is that his impact is not bringing wins... Je is just another player.
https://i.imgur.com/Bbj3aXa.png

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGSIRzi8u-o

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGSIRzi8u-o

8:18 of repetitive rambling, jeesh

[CGD]

Pretty much spot on. This takes time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr-rkpHZvzo&t=342s&ab_channel=TheRinger

Auditioning to be on the team ;-)

[polandprzem]

not sure if serious :lol
What is what you do not understand?

[Brazil]

What is what you do not understand?

oh I understood fine, you are a moron