Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" [Archive] - Page 13

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 05:29 PM

I think you made my point for me. We have no idea of what atrocities Travon might have gone on to star in. My point was that Zimmerman, while saving his own life, might have saved countless others. Would you be taking this same stance when Travon shot someone close to you? And looking at the big picture, should it matter that the person he was going to shoot isn't related to you?

Again, I'm not saying that Zimmerman was right. In fact, I was the one that presented the evidence that it was Travon's voice crying out for help after he bashed in Zimmerman's head more than he intended to.

But I can't look past the fact that Zimmerman ironically saved more lives by taking a life on that fateful night. Also, another point I made earlier is that if Zimmerman has learned from this lesson, it's probably preventing him from taking the life of someone innocent later.

No because you don't know that Trayvon would've gone on to kill anyone. That's why I said that Trayvon had his faults but he still had plans for the future and was more or less a decent kid.

And also, the lead investigator already said that Zimmerman didn't have his head bashed repeatedly into the pavement. So all that shows so far is that the kid may have broken his nose and/or caused him to lose his balance at some point.

Like I said, making teenage mistakes and not being a saint is not a good reason to shoot someone. If Trayvon had gone on to be a criminal then the legal system would've taken care of his crimes after he committed them and not before. It's not okay to justify Trayvon's death just because he could've killed someone else in the future in spite of the fact that there's no evidence showing that he was leaning in that direction.

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 05:30 PM

GZ exhibits the classic traits of a racist wanna be thug:

"I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"

From his myspace page most GZ supporters chose to ignore. I wonder what the Mexican or hispanic people who donated to his defense fund think about this:wakeup

Funny thing about that post, he says "...dont make you a man in my book" but following and killing a child does? What a pussy.

Geosurface

05-02-2012, 05:40 PM

And none of this would have happened had GZ (1) not been a racist and (2) waited 2 mins for law enforcement to arrive. He just had to follow and kill Trayvon.

- Grew up with two black girls raised in his house like sisters to him
- Started a business with a black friend
- Rallied the NAACP and black churches to stand up for justice for a homeless black man who was assaulted by a cop's son, and the cop's son was getting away with it
- Mentored two black teenaged boys who he continued to mentor at his own expense when the program funds dried up
- Offered a place to stay to Anthony Woodson, a black friend from high school while he was down on his luck
- Had a black friend close enough to go on national TV and call down the "uncle Tom" accusation thunder upon himself
- Voted for a black president
- Had a black great-grandfather

What a racist...

I'm starting to wonder what exactly a non-black person would have to do in your eyes to earn immunity from the "racist" accusation?

Sounds like a pretty tall order.

I guess in your mind, he shot a black 17 year old so he is definitely a racist no matter what else may be true of him... right? end of story?

But couldn't it be Trayvon's being a thug that got him shot, not being black? Isn't that at least possible? Tell me. Honestly.

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 05:42 PM

the hoa guy said george would be the captain of the community watch, so he's already pissed.

i bet he left that meeting thinking " i don't want to be a captain, i want to be a general! looks like i'm gonna have to earn my stars the hard way".

:lol

Although with the HOA acknowledging an unlicensed Zimmerman with respect to the Neighbourhood Watch, I smell liability charges in that lawsuit. Since apparently the Martin lawyer is on it I'm hoping they get cleaned out as well.

The prosecution has alleged that Zimmerman's account of what happened that night is not accurate. The standard for guilt is reasonable doubt. Evidence that shows a pattern of deception throughout this process is relevant.

That and the possibility of an ace in the hole is the only thing I can think of that could've driven them to charge Murder 2. I'm guessing that they're going to establish a narrative, use the recording of Martin calling for help (Trayvon's mother to testify), and then prove Zimmerman's lying about most of the important points. After this they'll likely use this as ammo to emotionally manipulate the jury into finding him guilty of that particular charge.

Not a doubt in my mind that murder is probably what happened but I'm still thinking the evidence leads toward Manslaughter (and a lawsuit).

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 05:48 PM

- Grew up with two black girls raised in his house like sisters to him
- Started a business with a black friend
- Rallied the NAACP and black churches to stand up for justice for a homeless black man who was assaulted by a cop's son, and the cop's son was getting away with it
- Mentored two black teenaged boys who he continued to mentor at his own expense when the program funds dried up
- Offered a place to stay to Anthony Woodson, a black friend from high school while he was down on his luck
- Had a black friend close enough to go on national TV and call down the "uncle Tom" accusation thunder upon himself
- Voted for a black president
- Had a black great-grandfather

What a racist...

I'm starting to wonder what exactly a non-black person would have to do in your eyes to earn immunity from the "racist" accusation?

Sounds like a pretty tall order.

I guess in your mind, he shot a black 17 year old so he is definitely a racist no matter what else may be true of him... right? end of story?

But couldn't it be Trayvon's being a thug that got him shot, not being black? Isn't that at least possible? Tell me. Honestly.

none of what you posted matters. Racists use the same tired line all the time "I'm not racist, my best friend is black!" Please get that tired excuse of him having family and friends who are black out of here. He clearly stated hate speech on his Myspace page.

All that community stuff he was doing with the homeless man? he was just trying to earn community service hours for his criminal justice degree and add it to his resume. There was no good intentions in any of that. If it was, he wouldn't have been making statements about every Mexican he runs into tries to stab him.

The black friend who defended him? Is a COON who is not in touch with the black community and is married to a white woman(nothing wrong with that btw)

I have a great great great white grandfather I have never met...irrelevant.

Hey man, if you think a kid walking home from the store with tea and skittles is Trayvon being a thugh that night, I don't know what else to tell you.

Trayvon being black is what lead to his demise. Just like the other black men across this country who get drug from trucks and shot in cold blood by police, the same person they pay to protect them. If Trayvon was Billy, a 17 year old white kid we wouldn't be having this discussion.Y ou can try to convince me otherwise but save it. :wakeup

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 05:49 PM

What a racist...

I'm starting to wonder what exactly a non-black person would have to do in your eyes to earn immunity from the "racist" accusation?

Sounds like a pretty tall order.

I guess in your mind, he shot a black 17 year old so he is definitely a racist no matter what else may be true of him... right? end of story?

But couldn't it be Trayvon's being a thug that got him shot, not being black? Isn't that at least possible? Tell me. Honestly.

Snipped for size mostly.

You don't have to be a racist to be prejudiced. There's plenty of people who are prejudiced against a particular trait (or what have you) but who will only act on those preconceptions when dealing with someone they don't know on a personal level. Not saying that's what happened with Zimmerman but I just don't buy that particular talking point.

And also, you have absolutely no proof that Trayvon was a thug. None whatsoever. All the evidence suggests that Martin was a regular kid who made some mistakes and was still figuring things out. Hardly a justification to shoot him.

RandomGuy

05-02-2012, 05:54 PM

:lol

Although with the HOA acknowledging an unlicensed Zimmerman with respect to the Neighbourhood Watch, I smell liability charges in that lawsuit. Since apparently the Martin lawyer is on it I'm hoping they get cleaned out as well.

That and the possibility of an ace in the hole is the only thing I can think of that could've driven them to charge Murder 2. I'm guessing that they're going to establish a narrative, use the recording of Martin calling for help (Trayvon's mother to testify), and then prove Zimmerman's lying about most of the important points. After this they'll likely use this as ammo to emotionally manipulate the jury into finding him guilty of that particular charge.

Not a doubt in my mind that murder is probably what happened but I'm still thinking the evidence leads toward Manslaughter (and a lawsuit).

I haven't been following this too closely, but I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think that the Zimmerman really meant to, or wanted to kill anyone, right up until the gun went off.

Not sure what the definition of murder is/was, but intent has to be figured into it somewhere, and showing intent in this case would be impossible.

Erk. Sad for both.

Zimmerman, regardless of any trial will live in the prison of his own head for this, until his dying day. I would be willing to bet a great deal of money that he genuinely is sorry, and wishes it never happened.

clambake

05-02-2012, 05:55 PM

why did the parents kick out the black kids yet george still lives at home?

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 06:06 PM

I haven't been following this too closely, but I haven't seen or heard anything that makes me think that the Zimmerman really meant to, or wanted to kill anyone, right up until the gun went off.

Not sure what the definition of murder is/was, but intent has to be figured into it somewhere, and showing intent in this case would be impossible.

In most states I would think so but the legal definition for Murder 2 that I saw in Florida was basically like a worse version of Manslaughter if memory serves. It looked from that one like they'd have to show Zimmerman acted aggressively and recklessly which could be done but is going to likely depend on the physical evidence/proving George is a liar.

I think Murder 1 was the one where they had to show pre-meditation and clear malicious intent.

Erk. Sad for both.

Zimmerman, regardless of any trial will live in the prison of his own head for this, until his dying day. I would be willing to bet a great deal of money that he genuinely is sorry, and wishes it never happened.

Agreed on both counts. But, imo, a teenager would still be alive if it hadn't been for his actions and I think it's right that he stand both civil and criminal trial. It was a terrible mistake and I'm sure he'd have gone about things differently if he could turn back time.

Geosurface

05-02-2012, 06:09 PM

you have absolutely no proof that Trayvon was a thug. None whatsoever.

Here's my proof:
http://i.imgur.com/nHJiZ.png

Geosurface

05-02-2012, 06:12 PM

Trayvon being black is what lead to his demise. Just like the other black men across this country who get drug from trucks and shot in cold blood by police, the same person they pay to protect them. If Trayvon was Billy, a 17 year old white kid we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So you think a 17 year old version of Eminem dressed like this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UaLWp72nij4/S9pzvodSteI/AAAAAAAAJNQ/P9u-Dmt668k/s400/eminem-birthday.jpg

Wouldn't have aroused any suspicion for Zimmerman? and if that lil' Marshall Matthers thug ass white kid opted to viciously assault Zimmerman, and try to take control of his gun and threatened to kill him with it... you don't think he'd have ended up just as shot, and just as dead?

I disagree.

clambake

05-02-2012, 06:22 PM

zimmerman the stalking killer is the victim. lol

clambake

05-02-2012, 06:23 PM

where's that utoob of george pissing away 54K?

Stringer_Bell

05-02-2012, 06:36 PM

why did the parents kick out the black kids yet george still lives at home?

Cuz if those kids still lived at home they'd have to be reported to Dept of Health and Human services and the amount of monthly benefits they get could be negatively impacted.

TBQH.

What I really wanna know is, how long until it's discovered that the New Orleans Saints were somehow involved?

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 06:38 PM

Here's my proof:
http://i.imgur.com/nHJiZ.png

...So you've got nothing

Throwing a few punches =/= being a thug. I'm sorry. It just doesn't.

As I said, the lead investigator has already confirmed that Zimmerman didn't have his head bashed repeatedly into the concrete so there was no savage thrill kill in progress at the time either.

Most likely the kid did break his nose and/or cause him to lose his balance however. That still doesn't make him a thug or a future criminal who deserved to die on his way home from the store. Under the same circumstances, most people would've been concerned for their safety. That's just the way it goes.

Support Zimmerman if you want to but you'll need to do better than that if you're going to blame a dead teenager for being shot.

clambake

05-02-2012, 06:39 PM

Cuz if those kids still lived at home they'd have to be reported to Dept of Health and Human services and the amount of monthly benefits they get could be negatively impacted.

TBQH.

What I really wanna know is, how long until it's discovered that the New Orleans Saints were somehow involved?

a black guy should kill obama. then it wouldn't be reported, am i right?

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 06:40 PM

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 06:40 PM

So you think a 17 year old version of Eminem dressed like this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UaLWp72nij4/S9pzvodSteI/AAAAAAAAJNQ/P9u-Dmt668k/s400/eminem-birthday.jpg

Wouldn't have aroused any suspicion for Zimmerman? and if that lil' Marshall Matthers thug ass white kid opted to viciously assault Zimmerman, and try to take control of his gun and threatened to kill him with it... you don't think he'd have ended up just as shot, and just as dead?

I disagree.

Nope. Zimmerman has lived his entire life as the outcast of the family. If he had one wish, it would be to be a white man. He probably would have given eminem a ride to his doorstep.

Now hispanic and black males is another story.

Stringer_Bell

05-02-2012, 06:57 PM

a black guy should kill obama. then it wouldn't be reported, am i right?

Our Secret Service is full of Zimmermans (see attached photo). There won't be any negros getting anywhere NEAR our beloved President.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg/12279197-1-eng-US/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg_full_380.jpg

clambake

05-02-2012, 07:05 PM

Our Secret Service is full of Zimmermans (see attached photo). There won't be any negros getting anywhere NEAR our beloved President.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg/12279197-1-eng-US/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg_full_380.jpg

maybe they could be lured away with columbian hookers.

Stringer_Bell

05-02-2012, 07:08 PM

Really? How does that work exactly?

Say for instance, you are 19 and the oldest sibling in a house of 5. You live with your mom and three minor siblings. If you are working, you are required to report your wages as part of monthly household income. If your income is above a certain level - the amount of benefits such as TANF, foodstamps, and other stuff is affected. You basically either need to be working at McDonald's making min wage or slangin' on the corner for your little sisters to eat (the two meals they get at school for free don't taste good and they eat a lot on the weekends).

Or you do what most sensible people do...go to community college, get a bunch of fin aid (including some sweet loans) via fafsa to show you are low income (and a student, so the government doesn't expect you to be putting money in the household), and then spend it on putting some rims on your 2010 mazda6 and some sneakers. Don't worry about the loans, they say you gotta pay them back but just go into the military when they get serious about it and they'll forgive them. Hope that helped!

Creepn

05-02-2012, 07:09 PM

Here's my proof:
http://i.imgur.com/nHJiZ.png

That's your proof? Absolutley disgusts me that we got people vigorously defending shooting an unarmed kid. Listen, the law states that if the person fears for his life, he could use self defense. It's been noted that GZ feared for his life because his head was being pounded into the pavement, well then why didn't he shoot Martin on the pavement? They rolled to the grass so the life threat level dramitically reduces. Was GZ being strangled on the grass that continued his life to be threatened enough for him to shoot him? No.

I find it unbelievable that his life was actually in danger throughout the whole fight that warrants a gun to come into play. He thought " I'm getting my ass kicked, daddy judge taught me that this would be a suitable time to kill a nigga"

clambake

05-02-2012, 07:14 PM

george's daddy is a judge?

Creepn

05-02-2012, 07:16 PM

george's daddy is a judge?

Ex-judge

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 07:18 PM

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 07:19 PM

clambake

05-02-2012, 07:19 PM

Ex-judge

u gotta be shitting me? his daddy was a judge, and he lies in court?

daddy must be so proud.

TheSkeptic

05-02-2012, 07:20 PM

Say for instance, you are 19 and the oldest sibling in a house of 5. You live with your mom and three minor siblings. If you are working, you are required to report your wages as part of monthly household income. If your income is above a certain level - the amount of benefits such as TANF, foodstamps, and other stuff is affected. You basically either need to be working at McDonald's making min wage or slangin' on the corner for your little sisters to eat (the two meals they get at school for free don't taste good and they eat a lot on the weekends).

Or you do what most sensible people do...go to community college, get a bunch of fin aid (including some sweet loans) via fafsa to show you are low income (and a student, so the government doesn't expect you to be putting money in the household), and then spend it on putting some rims on your 2010 mazda6 and some sneakers. Don't worry about the loans, they say you gotta pay them back but just go into the military when they get serious about it and they'll forgive them. Hope that helped!

Wow. Raw deal. Yeah that makes sense (your explanation not the system). Thanks.

Fabbs

05-02-2012, 08:51 PM

I totally agree with you.

With respect to the bolded, the best explanation is that the head pounding didn't happen. I never get tired of mentioning this tbh.

"The prosecuting attorney, after saying "I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today," is back to ask questions of state attorney's investigator Dale Gilbreath, after O'Mara asked questions challenging the state's assertions.

The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes."
bfd they play for the same team.
Of course q and a is going to be only that which points to convict. :lol

When asked q's by defense atty O'Mara:
O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath had any evidence contradicting Zimmerman's statement to Sanford police on the night of the incident that Zimmerman: 1) turned toward his car after losing sight of Martin; and 2) that Martin started the fight that led to the shooting. Gilbreath said no.

Geosurface

05-02-2012, 09:32 PM

That's your proof? Absolutley disgusts me that we got people vigorously defending shooting an unarmed kid. Listen, the law states that if the person fears for his life, he could use self defense. It's been noted that GZ feared for his life because his head was being pounded into the pavement, well then why didn't he shoot Martin on the pavement? They rolled to the grass so the life threat level dramitically reduces. Was GZ being strangled on the grass that continued his life to be threatened enough for him to shoot him? No.

I find it unbelievable that his life was actually in danger throughout the whole fight that warrants a gun to come into play. He thought " I'm getting my ass kicked, daddy judge taught me that this would be a suitable time to kill a nigga"

1.) Answer this question simply, succinctly, and honestly: can an unarmed man kill you? can fists kill you?

2.) As for the gun coming into play, and as for what was threatening his life after they moved away from the sidewalk... the answer is that according to GZ, Trayvon brought the gun into play, not GZ. Trayvon saw the gun and went for it, and also threatened to kill GZ with it.

I have no doubt that you have a hard time believing that. But consider this, why would a man who had called the police beforehand go on to commit a crime? why would a man who had every reason to believe multiple neighbors were watching (or at least John) commit coldblooded, unnecessary murder right in front of witnesses? Why would he let an entire minute of beating him go by without using his weapon if he was so trigger happy?

I think something dramatic had to happen to make him switch from a tactic of fending off blows as best he could with his arms, and trying to shift them away from the sidewalk... and trying to involve a third party by screaming for help, to suddenly using his gun, at the risk of the police showing up in time to see him shoot someone. What was it that changed? I think GZ's explanation that his life became much more endangered right then, because Trayvon saw the gun for the first time, and attempted to take it, makes sense.

I think there are a lot of you here who are so clouded by emotion, and so caught up in the initial, extremely skewed narrative the media was pushing... that you simply cannot, and will not allow the facts of the matter to seep into your heads. I suggest you reconsider.

In the first week this story broke, I was thinking about it the same way you are. I dug for facts, and I actually let facts determine my view. Quaint, eh?

Stringer_Bell

05-02-2012, 10:08 PM

In the first week this story broke, I was thinking about it the same way you are. I dug for facts, and I actually let facts determine my view. Quaint, eh?

You can stop while you're ahead. It's no use arguing with THOSE PEOPLE, the lines have been drawn - there's only a red team and a blue team in this thread.

Lucky for you, you're with the red team. That's me, WC, Darrins, and the rest of the Freedom Crew. Welcome aboard, son!

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4f83669a6bb3f75551000012/justice-for-zimmerman.jpg

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 10:42 PM

In the first week this story broke, I was thinking about it the same way you are. I dug for facts, and I actually let facts determine my view. Quaint, eh?

did you find those "facts" the same place you found out Trayvon was a drug dealer?

http://i43.tinypic.com/106kop4.gif

Trill Clinton

05-02-2012, 10:44 PM

The nerve of Trayvon seeing someone with a gun and trying to fight for his life! He should have just stood there and died like a man!

Creepn

05-02-2012, 11:16 PM

1.) Answer this question simply, succinctly, and honestly: can an unarmed man kill you? can fists kill you?

2.) As for the gun coming into play, and as for what was threatening his life after they moved away from the sidewalk... the answer is that according to GZ, Trayvon brought the gun into play, not GZ. Trayvon saw the gun and went for it, and also threatened to kill GZ with it.

To your #1 Question: Yes a fist can kill. Are you actually advocating that everyone who is getting their asses kicked, have a right to pull out a gun and kill them? Answer that honestly.

To your #2 Question: I laugh at how you take GZ word so quickly despite the fact that he displayed dishonestly NUMEROUS times. You are no better than the cops at the crime scene that did a crappy job at examining evidence.

I have no doubt that you have a hard time believing that. But consider this, why would a man who had called the police beforehand go on to commit a crime? why would a man who had every reason to believe multiple neighbors were watching (or at least John) commit coldblooded, unnecessary murder right in front of witnesses? Why would he let an entire minute of beating him go by without using his weapon if he was so trigger happy?

He called the cops because he knew some shit was about to go down. Zimmerman knows the law and I would not be surprised he came up with ways to kill someone legally if it came down to it. I don't think Zimmerman was on the prowl to kill a nigga but he was definitely ready for anything to go down that night. He previously made multiple calls reporting suspicious black males that got away. That night, it was not going to happen again. He was empowered by the gun. Why would anyone go up to a suspicious person without some protection? Why did Zimmerman tell the cops to call him when they get there rather than wait at some place as discussed with the dispatcher? He wasn't going to let this one get away.

I think something dramatic had to happen to make him switch from a tactic of fending off blows as best he could with his arms, and trying to shift them away from the sidewalk... and trying to involve a third party by screaming for help, to suddenly using his gun, at the risk of the police showing up in time to see him shoot someone. What was it that changed? I think GZ's explanation that his life became much more endangered right then, because Trayvon saw the gun for the first time, and attempted to take it, makes sense.

Wow, Zimmerman was getting his ass beat so close to death that he was able to devise spur of the moment fighting tactics. We don't know who screamed for help and I really doubt that Zimmerman was the one screaming for help. You saying you got all these facts but you don't and you let yourself speculate to defend the side of a person that murdered a kid. That's all on you. You better hope you are right.

I think there are a lot of you here who are so clouded by emotion, and so caught up in the initial, extremely skewed narrative the media was pushing... that you simply cannot, and will not allow the facts of the matter to seep into your heads. I suggest you reconsider.

No. Now that most of the hard emotions have subsided, I feel just the same and the fact that Zimmerman changed his story a few times makes it even worse. I think you are trying to be too liberal that its keeping you from seeing things as they are. You saw how the media was out to get him and the outrage along with the media so you donned your hippie clothes to fight for INjustice for Zimmerman.

Allow this to seep into your head: Zimmerman KILLED an UNARMED teen. He KILLED a boy WALKING home. Zimmerman WRONGLY profiled a walking black teen as SUSPICIOUS, stalked him, provoked him, and KILLED him.

clambake

05-02-2012, 11:42 PM

could you imagine the responses in this thread if the kid was alive and lied to the judge?

clambake

05-02-2012, 11:42 PM

could you imagine the responses in this thread if the kid was alive and lied to the judge?

TheSkeptic

05-03-2012, 12:22 AM

bfd they play for the same team.
Of course q and a is going to be only that which points to convict. :lol

When asked q's by defense atty O'Mara:
O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath had any evidence contradicting Zimmerman's statement to Sanford police on the night of the incident that Zimmerman: 1) turned toward his car after losing sight of Martin; and 2) that Martin started the fight that led to the shooting. Gilbreath said no.

I saw that but I don't think it's necessarily inconsistent.

Zimmerman turning back towards his car at some point doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't go after the kid again since I believe at one point he lost sight of him. The body was too far away from his truck for me to believe that Zimmerman was jumped near his vehicle. The phone records also show that Trayvon had been on the phone up until a minute or two before he was dead so between that, the 911 call, and the location of the body I think Zimmerman likely caught up with the kid at some point.

Sure we don't know who threw the first punch. That detail is kind of irrelevant to me because we do know that the part Zimmerman was using to justify pulling the trigger (head beaten repeatedly into the pavement) didn't happen. So it's most likely that he got punched, lost his balance (hit his head on the pavement), kid gets on top of him (breaking his nose at some point in the altercation), and then Zimmerman eventually gets the upperhand and shoots.

If Zimmerman wasn't being knocked unconscious or strangled at the time he pulled the trigger, he basically brought a gun to a fistfight and I don't think that's acceptable. At worst, Trayvon would be guilty of assault while Zimmerman would be guilty of manslaughter in my view.

I've already said that if I was on the jury I wouldn't convict him of Murder 2. I'm just happy he's standing trial.

TheSkeptic

05-03-2012, 12:25 AM

You can stop while you're ahead. It's no use arguing with THOSE PEOPLE, the lines have been drawn - there's only a red team and a blue team in this thread.

Lucky for you, you're with the red team. That's me, WC, Darrins, and the rest of the Freedom Crew. Welcome aboard, son!

I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat Stringer so you don't need to spin it that way. There's no difference between those two sides.

I just believe that wrong is wrong and that when someone dies a proper investigation and a trial is necessary.

jack sommerset

05-03-2012, 12:26 AM

could you imagine the responses in this thread if the kid was alive and lied to the judge?

Honestly, I cant. So martin is alive but lied to the judge. This is your show. Give us directions. God bless.

TheSkeptic

05-03-2012, 12:28 AM

Creepn, Clambake, and Trill Clinton with the goods.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:49 AM

Maybe. If I was just trying to protect myself but ended up going overboard.
Went overboard...

Are you saying Zimmerman was in his right to use his weapon?

bobbyjoe

05-03-2012, 03:29 AM

1.) Answer this question simply, succinctly, and honestly: can an unarmed man kill you? can fists kill you?

2.) As for the gun coming into play, and as for what was threatening his life after they moved away from the sidewalk... the answer is that according to GZ, Trayvon brought the gun into play, not GZ. Trayvon saw the gun and went for it, and also threatened to kill GZ with it.

I have no doubt that you have a hard time believing that. But consider this, why would a man who had called the police beforehand go on to commit a crime? why would a man who had every reason to believe multiple neighbors were watching (or at least John) commit coldblooded, unnecessary murder right in front of witnesses? Why would he let an entire minute of beating him go by without using his weapon if he was so trigger happy?

I think something dramatic had to happen to make him switch from a tactic of fending off blows as best he could with his arms, and trying to shift them away from the sidewalk... and trying to involve a third party by screaming for help, to suddenly using his gun, at the risk of the police showing up in time to see him shoot someone. What was it that changed? I think GZ's explanation that his life became much more endangered right then, because Trayvon saw the gun for the first time, and attempted to take it, makes sense.

I think there are a lot of you here who are so clouded by emotion, and so caught up in the initial, extremely skewed narrative the media was pushing... that you simply cannot, and will not allow the facts of the matter to seep into your heads. I suggest you reconsider.

In the first week this story broke, I was thinking about it the same way you are. I dug for facts, and I actually let facts determine my view. Quaint, eh?

- George Zimmerman brought the gun into play by ignoring neighborhood watch protocol. There's a reason why Neighborhood watchmen are discouraged from being armed and are trained to simply "Observe and Report" George Zimmerman brought the gun with him to the scene of the killing. Trayvon Martin wasn't armed. If Zimmerman didn't bring a gun, no one dies. This is a material fact. If you want to own a gun, you have to act responsibly or live with the consequences of your own actions.

- Even the staunchest of Zimmerman supporters has to concede at this point that his credibility is questionable. The guy probably committed perjury by claiming under oath he was indigent when he clearly was not. That's a 3rd degree felony. Once again, we have laws in this country and when you go under oath and swear to tell the truth but then lie (or at best deceive), there are consequences.

- Given Zimmerman's misleading at best and criminal at worst statements in his bond hearing, why would we simply accept as a fact that Trayvon reached for his gun when he is the only individual who has claimed this and has an obvious motive to be dishonest? Anyway, if what you say is true, surely Trayvon's DNA and fingerprints will be on Zimmerman's gun and he will be granted immunity via the Stand Your Ground defense and this case will be over rather abruptly.

- If a picture of a bloody head makes Martin a thug, what did it make Zimmerman in 2005 when he had to enter a pre-trial diversion program and taken anger management classes based on his arrest from assaulting a police officer? The 2005 incident went through the court system whereas in the current case there isn't proof of Trayvon initiating the altercation.

- On the one hand, you believe that Martin being killed by Z doesn't mean that Z committed a crime, citing self-defense as your reasoning. On the other hand, you use a picture of Z's bloody head as proof Trayvon was a thug. This completely discounts the possibility that the reason for the blood on Z's head was the precise reason you cite to justify Z's innocence with respect to the shooting... self-defense. How is that picture proof of who started the fight? Is Trayvon a thug if Z started the fight? Do you have any proof or facts to suggest who initiated it? Please don't tell me "Because Zimmerman said so".

- Creepn makes an excellent point that Zimmerman's assertion of his life being in jeopardy from his head being bashed in can not justify use of deadly force because the shooting took place on the grass. That's a problematic fact for him, particularly if the prosecution can demonstrate that the head bashing claim itself is dubious.

I believe self-defense is an affirmative defense, wherein the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence is on the defendant. He'll need to come up with a new story if the evidence does not show Trayvon's DNA and fingerprints on the gun but then he's hamstrung in what he can claim due to his interrogation by the police. If he's caught in a series of lies, he'll likely be convicted of some sort of a crime here.

- Did anyone notice that Zimmerman seems to be on his cell phone in the picture with his bloody head? It will be interesting to see who he called if it wasn't the police...

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 10:16 AM

I can't believe what a troll Clambake has turned into in this thread. Some of the other blue teamers are just bum fucking stupid but Clammy has really gone downhill in this thread.

clambake

05-03-2012, 10:21 AM

I can't believe what a troll Clambake has turned into in this thread. Some of the other blue teamers are just bum fucking stupid but Clammy has really gone downhill in this thread.

:depressed why you hating on me?:depressed

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 10:24 AM

:depressed why you hating on me?:depressed

Because you aren't as stupid as Trill and Skeptic and some of the others but you are sure playing the part in this one.

clambake

05-03-2012, 10:26 AM

Because you aren't as stupid as Trill and Skeptic and some of the others but you are sure playing the part in this one.

what exactly have i said that bothers you? lets examine it together.

clambake

05-03-2012, 10:38 AM

i didn't know until just now how deep you are in george's corner.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 11:07 AM

what exactly have i said that bothers you? lets examine it together.

Well, this one was pretty dumb.

yep, had the gun pointed at him the entire time. its the only logical conclusion, since we know that george is a confirmed liar.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 11:20 AM

I can't believe what a troll Clambake has turned into in this thread. Some of the other blue teamers are just bum fucking stupid but Clammy has really gone downhill in this thread.
I noticed that long ago when he used to constantly pick on me. He still does, and is really fucking stupid about it.

RandomGuy

05-03-2012, 11:50 AM

Our Secret Service is full of Zimmermans (see attached photo). There won't be any negros getting anywhere NEAR our beloved President.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg/12279197-1-eng-US/0414-secret-service-scandal.jpg_full_380.jpg

Dudes look like the guy from a game:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mK2Bufdqpdc/Sh6WJF-mnjI/AAAAAAAAAGg/9dtgk0ro4SM/s400/Hitman_OST.jpg

http://www.octofoil.info/blog/content/fans.jpg

RandomGuy

05-03-2012, 12:02 PM

In most states I would think so but the legal definition for Murder 2 that I saw in Florida was basically like a worse version of Manslaughter if memory serves. It looked from that one like they'd have to show Zimmerman acted aggressively and recklessly which could be done but is going to likely depend on the physical evidence/proving George is a liar.

I think Murder 1 was the one where they had to show pre-meditation and clear malicious intent.

Agreed on both counts. But, imo, a teenager would still be alive if it hadn't been for his actions and I think it's right that he stand both civil and criminal trial. It was a terrible mistake and I'm sure he'd have gone about things differently if he could turn back time.

Yup. I think they may be shooting a bit high to encourage a plea of manslaughter. But that is something I can only speculate on.

As for the rest of what goes on here:

There is a big gap between being a racist (however virulent one thinks he was), to deliberately going out to kill someone. Zimmerman is not a demon. He is a man, who made one very bad choice. People can quibble over the reasons for that choice, and it seems people do.

Ultimately his view of things did start the ball rolling though, and the decision to get out of his car didn't help.

Again, I don't want to get into this. It saddens me a bit to see anyone get all "my team, your team" over this tragedy, although I don't see the harm in anyone taking an inward look at how one's own racial attitudes may color one's actions.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 12:12 PM

Went overboard...

Are you saying Zimmerman was in his right to use his weapon?

I have little doubt that Zimmerman acted within the fucked up law that Florida has in place. I'm not an advocate of heavy gun control laws but to allow the possibility for one person to bother someone else enough to start a physical confrontation, thus allowing the first person to kill the other (who might have initially been minding his own business)...

Seems like a slippery slope.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 12:42 PM

Because you aren't as stupid as Trill and Skeptic and some of the others but you are sure playing the part in this one.

man shut the hell up.

We're stupid because we don't take the word of a wife beater, cop beater and child killer as gospel?

All we're doing is pointing out inconsistencies and you guys are trying your damndest to justify the killing of a innocent child by saying he was a "drug dealer" etc, FOH with that nonsense.

All I want is justice for Trayvon, if it wasn't for GZ he'd still be alive. All you and your buddies want it for GZ to walk free so he can assault more women and children. Disgusting.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 12:56 PM

I have little doubt that Zimmerman acted within the fucked up law that Florida has in place. I'm not an advocate of heavy gun control laws but to allow the possibility for one person to bother someone else enough to start a physical confrontation, thus allowing the first person to kill the other (who might have initially been minding his own business)...

Seems like a slippery slope.
I'm not sure about a slippery slope. I have no problem with personal protection being acknowledged in law. Still, and especially in states that have easy access to conceal carry... you're an idiot if you attack someone when you don't know.

Tell me that Martin could not have avoided this. He was a willing participant, and ended up with the raw deal. He could have called the police, walked away, etc.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 12:58 PM

Because you aren't as stupid as Trill and Skeptic and some of the others but you are sure playing the part in this one.
I wouldn't call either of them stupid. There are less harsh words that fit better. Clownbake however is stupid and antagonistic.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 12:59 PM

man shut the hell up.

We're stupid because we don't take the word of a wife beater, cop beater and child killer as gospel?

All we're doing is pointing out inconsistencies and you guys are trying your damndest to justify the killing of a innocent child by saying he was a "drug dealer" etc, FOH with that nonsense.

All I want is justice for Trayvon, if it wasn't for GZ he'd still be alive. All you and your buddies want it for GZ to walk free so he can assault more women and children. Disgusting.

Justice for Travon? Not going to happen. He brought fists to a gun fight. And unfortunately, the current laws in place are going to protect Zimmerman. I have little doubt he (Zimmerman) probably played out scenarios in his head just like this one. And not necessarily with racial bias. I don't think he went out that specific night to kill someone. But I do think he probably visualized enough situations where he would use his gun so that it was the first thing on his mind. So is justice hanging Zimmerman for acting within the law? IMO, the only acceptable outcome is that 1) Zimmerman be judged based on the current laws without any bias and 2) the laws are reviewed and changed to lower the chances of this happening again. And maybe 3) if Zimmerman is as sorry as he seems, maybe he shoots himself.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:07 PM

Well, this one was pretty dumb.

i just put that out there for all the supporters who have bought his side 100%. like i said, i didn't know how deep you are in his corner until now.

the fact is that he's a confirmed liar right out of the gate. right out of the fucking gate.

give me a plausible explanation of why he deserves your support after that.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:19 PM

i just put that out there for all the supporters who have bought his side 100%. like i said, i didn't know how deep you are in his corner until now.

the fact is that he's a confirmed liar right out of the gate. right out of the fucking gate.

give me a plausible explanation of why he deserves your support after that.
Maybe we should take your word for it since you are a multiple times confirmed liar. Hell you are an expert at lying.

Actually... Since you are a confirmed liar, I choose not to trust a damn thing that comes out of your keyboard without a shift key.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:21 PM

Maybe we should take your word for it since you are a multiple times confirmed liar. Hell you are an expert at lying.

Actually... Since you are a confirmed liar, I choose not to trust a damn thing that comes out of your keyboard without a shift key.

what did i lie about?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:23 PM

what did i lie about?
You constantly lie. If it's not lying, it's utter stupidity. I don't see a third option. I have brought it up before, several times, and you keep at it. Ignorance is one thing, but after being corrected over and over, and repeating the same actions...

You are either a liar, or you are very stupid.

Just think of the times I have corrected you.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:25 PM

what did i lie about?

You constantly lie. If it's not lying, it's utter stupidity. I don't see a third option. I have brought it up before, several times, and you keep at it. Ignorance is one thing, but after being corrected over and over, and repeating the same actions...

You are either a liar, or you are very stupid.

Just think of the times I have corrected you.

not surprised you can't answer that very simple question.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 01:28 PM

i just put that out there for all the supporters who have bought his side 100%. like i said, i didn't know how deep you are in his corner until now.

the fact is that he's a confirmed liar right out of the gate. right out of the fucking gate.

give me a plausible explanation of why he deserves your support after that.

I'm not going to go back and read all your posts but if you're going to judge Zimmerman based on his past, then you need to do the same with Travon. There's enough background info to suggest that he was violent, a thief, a drug user, a wannabe gansta, etc. Not saying that any of that justifies what happened. But if you're going to take Zimmerman's past into account, do the same with Travon.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 01:29 PM

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:31 PM

not surprised you can't answer that very simple question.
I can answer it just fine. I'm simply not going to spent the time to explain it for the umpteenth time. It would be insanity to expect different results with the same action. If I thought you were serious about examining why I say what I say, then I would give it one last try. As it stands, I have better things to do with my time, like play this video game that I keep pausing to check in here.

I don't simply don't care if you get it or not any more. You are one of the lowest people I have ever chatted with on the net.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:32 PM

All I have said is Zimmerman may be a dirtbag

this is my point all along. there's no question that he's a dirtbag.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 01:34 PM

this is my point all along. there's no question that he's a dirtbag.

Being a dirtbag is not illegal.

Creepn

05-03-2012, 01:34 PM

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 01:37 PM

Ya but the way you presented yourself throughout this whole ordeal makes it seems like you are rooting for that too happen. And I believe you are rooting for it too happen. Fuck your faux neutrality.

:lol

presented myself?

Just for throwing the bullshit flag on the stupid stuff you and the rest of the Trayvon crew have spouted?

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 01:38 PM

Ya but the way you presented yourself throughout this whole ordeal makes it seems like you are rooting for that too happen. And I believe you are rooting for it too happen. Fuck your faux neutrality.

And yeah, I have read the Florida code and I don't think the guy is guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:39 PM

I wonder if the prosecution is going to have evidence the police told Zimmerman not to follow or not. Can the prosecutor be disbarred if there is no such evidence? Is there another tape that wasn't released I wonder?

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:40 PM

Being a dirtbag is not illegal.

i believe he saw him, profiled him, and stalked that kid down. got his gun, jumped into daddys truck and found exactly what he was hoping to find.

finding out more about george should prove to be interesting, unless you're already in the tank.

Creepn

05-03-2012, 01:40 PM

And yeah, I have read the Florida code and I don't think the guy is guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter.

So a shitty ass law made by shitty ass men with a hard on for guns makes you give a pass on Zimmerman huh? Fuck morals and common sense.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:41 PM

And yeah, I have read the Florida code and I don't think the guy is guilty of second degree murder or manslaughter.
I don't either, at least by the evidence made public. I'm sure you will agree there could be some damning evidence not known by the media. Right? Unlikely, but possible. Right?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:42 PM

i believe he saw him, profiled him, and stalked that kid down. got his gun, jumped into daddys truck and found exactly what he was hoping to find.

finding out more about george should prove to be interesting, unless you're already in the tank.

LOL...

Profiled: YES!

Stalked: NO!

TeyshaBlue

05-03-2012, 01:43 PM

So a shitty ass law made by shitty ass men with a hard on for guns makes you give a pass on Zimmerman huh? Fuck morals and common sense.

Non sequitur is non sequitur.

Again. We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:44 PM

LOL...

Profiled: YES!

Stalked: NO!

you may be right. my stalking knowledge couldn't hold a candle next to yours.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 01:44 PM

Ya but the way you presented yourself throughout this whole ordeal makes it seems like you are rooting for that to happen. And I believe you are rooting for it to happen. Fuck your faux neutrality.

:lol

I don't agree much with Creepn but...

Creepn

05-03-2012, 01:46 PM

Non sequitur is non sequitur.

Again. We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system.

Very true, but just because someone did something wrong that was "legal", I'm not going to be going out of my way and taint myself in siding with said person.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:46 PM

you may be right. my stalking knowledge couldn't hold a candle next to yours.
See, there you go again. You are corrected several times on definitions yet you keep using them as an effective lie. Are you stupid, or a liar?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:48 PM

Very true, but just because someone did something wrong that was "legal", I'm not going to be going out of my way taint myself in siding with said person.
Just how is what we have said siding with Zimmerman? I think every one of us who say he's innocent of the crime has also said some bad things about him. Can you find an actual cheerleader among us?

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 01:49 PM

I don't either, at least by the evidence made public. I'm sure you will agree there could be some damning evidence not known by the media. Right? Unlikely, but possible. Right?

I thought it was pretty damning when the prosecutors investigator admitted they hadn't found any evidence that Zimmerman's version of what happened wasn't true.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:51 PM

I thought it was pretty damning when the prosecutors investigator admitted they hadn't found and evidence that Zimmerman's version of what happened wasn't true.
Should "and" be "any?"

I find it very disturbing he's being brought to trial if they don't have anything useful. If all they have is what we already know, I want them fired.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:53 PM

See, there you go again. You are corrected several times on definitions yet you keep using them as an effective lie. Are you stupid, or a liar?

i think its delicious, watching you pretend that we don't know about you.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 01:53 PM

i think its delicious, watching you pretend that we don't know about you.
It's in your mind. I guess in your pathetic life, fantasy beats reality.

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:55 PM

I thought it was pretty damning when the prosecutors investigator admitted they hadn't found and evidence that Zimmerman's version of what happened wasn't true.

this is exactly my point. "zimmerman's version"

clambake

05-03-2012, 01:56 PM

It's in your mind. I guess in your pathetic life, fantasy beats reality.

like i said. "delicious"

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 01:59 PM

Justice for Travon? Not going to happen. He brought fists to a gun fight. And unfortunately, the current laws in place are going to protect Zimmerman. I have little doubt he (Zimmerman) probably played out scenarios in his head just like this one. And not necessarily with racial bias. I don't think he went out that specific night to kill someone. But I do think he probably visualized enough situations where he would use his gun so that it was the first thing on his mind. So is justice hanging Zimmerman for acting within the law? IMO, the only acceptable outcome is that 1) Zimmerman be judged based on the current laws without any bias and 2) the laws are reviewed and changed to lower the chances of this happening again. And maybe 3) if Zimmerman is as sorry as he seems, maybe he shoots himself.

Justice for me will be if the stand your ground law gets done away with or tweeked to where people can't claim self defense after killing someone who isn't armed when they initiate the altercation. This is especially important, wouldn't want a black person or a hispanic to kill a white kid for something similar and get away with it either.

It would also be nice if he served some jail time( more than 1 year less than life) anywhere between that range.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:01 PM

this is exactly my point. "zimmerman's version"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mari-fagel/george-zimmerman-bond-hearing_b_1441261.html

From the article:

The key to the performance, though, was O'Mara's battle scene with investigator Dale Gilbreath. He got up and questioned Gilbreath so much about the affidavit that the investigator came off looking like a fool. First, Gilbreath admitted he wasn't aware of any inquiry to Trayvon Martin's father as to whether he could identify the voice heard screaming in the 911 calls as his son's. Gilbreath also admitted that he does not know who started the fight, does not have evidence to prove who started the fight and does not have evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statement that Martin started the fight. He also testified he does not have evidence to contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he turned back around to walk to his car. O'Mara also laid into Gilbreath over the use of "profiling" in the affidavit and the claim that Zimmerman "continued to follow" Martin even after he was told by a dispatcher not to. This claim that he "continued to follow" is key to the case, because it helps the prosecution prove he had an intent to kill, which is grounds for a 2nd degree murder conviction.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:04 PM

Justice for me will be if the stand your ground law gets done away with or tweeked to where people can't claim self defense after killing someone who isn't armed when they initiate the altercation. This is especially important, wouldn't want a black person or a hispanic to kill a white kid for something similar and get away with it either.

It would also be nice if he served some jail time( more than 1 year less than life) anywhere between that range.

There is absolutely no evidence to prove Zimmerman initiated the altercation. If there was then "stand your ground" would not have applied.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:05 PM

The key to the performance, though, was O'Mara's battle scene with investigator Dale Gilbreath. He got up and questioned Gilbreath so much about the affidavit that the investigator came off looking like a fool. First, Gilbreath admitted he wasn't aware of any inquiry to Trayvon Martin's father as to whether he could identify the voice heard screaming in the 911 calls as his son's. Gilbreath also admitted that he does not know who started the fight, does not have evidence to prove who started the fight and does not have evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statement that Martin started the fight. He also testified he does not have evidence to contradict Zimmerman's assertion that he turned back around to walk to his car. O'Mara also laid into Gilbreath over the use of "profiling" in the affidavit and the claim that Zimmerman "continued to follow" Martin even after he was told by a dispatcher not to. This claim that he "continued to follow" is key to the case, because it helps the prosecution prove he had an intent to kill, which is grounds for a 2nd degree murder conviction.
I wonder if the prosecution is going to have evidence the police told Zimmerman not to follow or not. Can the prosecutor be disbarred if there is no such evidence? Is there another tape that wasn't released I wonder?

clambake

05-03-2012, 02:05 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mari-fagel/george-zimmerman-bond-hearing_b_1441261.html

From the article:

what makes you think i'm talking about evidence? i'm talking about character.

i've already stated that this trial is in florida, and the guys name is zimmerman.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:05 PM

Just proving again how stupid you are.

All I have said is Zimmerman may be a dirtbag, but he's not going to be convicted of murder or manslaughter because the facts of the case will not allow them to prove him guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You aren't getting "justice for Trayvon" bitch.

shut. the. hell. up.

You go from calling me stupid to now calling me a bitch because I don't agree with you:lol

Look, its obvious you support domestic violence against women, violence against police officers, racism and now the senseless murder of a child. Go ahead and that the word of that guy. His story has more holes in it that swiss cheese yet you blindly believe anything this racist, murderer says. disgusting.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:06 PM

what makes you think i'm talking about evidence? i'm talking about character.

i've already stated that this trial is in florida, and the guys name is zimmerman.
LOL...

If a person went to jail based on Character, you would be there for life!

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:08 PM

I'm not going to go back and read all your posts but if you're going to judge Zimmerman based on his past, then you need to do the same with Travon. There's enough background info to suggest that he was violent, a thief, a drug user, a wannabe gansta, etc. Not saying that any of that justifies what happened. But if you're going to take Zimmerman's past into account, do the same with Travon.

Trayvon had no criminal record..everything you listed about Trayvon's past is your opinion and speculation.

Meanwhile in child killerland...GZ has: beat up on his wife, fought an ATF agent, made prejudice an racist remarks about Mexicans whe he himself is of Mexican heritage:lmao and the cherry on this shit sundae, he killed an innocent child.

would you hire someone with GZ's criminal history?

clambake

05-03-2012, 02:08 PM

LOL...

If a person went to jail based on Character, you would be there for life!

thats no way to talk to someone that ensured your survival.

Creepn

05-03-2012, 02:08 PM

Just how is what we have said siding with Zimmerman? I think every one of us who say he's innocent of the crime has also said some bad things about him. Can you find an actual cheerleader among us?

<Insert Steven A. Smith laugh> MWA HA HA HA HA HAAA!

Are you shitting me? Stop with the faux neutrality already! Be a man and represent. I'm on Team Martin. Are you ashamed to admit what team you are on?

Listen, here is a tell-tell sign in how to know a person is on Team Zimmerman: ANYBODY who participated in the slandering of Martin's character by calling him a thug, a drug dealer, or what have you, that person fulfilled the requirement to be on Team Zimmerman.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:09 PM

shut. the. hell. up.

You go from calling me stupid to now calling me a bitch because I don't agree with you:lol

Look, its obvious you support domestic violence against women, violence against police officers, racism and now the senseless murder of a child. Go ahead and that the word of that guy. His story has more holes in it that swiss cheese yet you blindly believe anything this racist, murderer says. disgusting.
You shouldn't dismiss out of hand the mitigating circumstances presented on those issues. Right now, I see you as ignorant of the information released. Keep it up, and I will also consider you stupid.

Consider the possibilities of both sides.

TeyshaBlue

05-03-2012, 02:10 PM

"<Insert Steven A. Smith laugh> MWA HA HA HA HA HAAA! "

Honestly, I was on your side until you brought Steven A Smith into this. Now, I'll have to kill you in your sleep.:ihit:lol

clambake

05-03-2012, 02:10 PM

by the way, george's character is the type that will say whatever he needs to get what he wants.

he just now got a taste of money.....and he likes it. so he lied about it.

Creepn

05-03-2012, 02:11 PM

"<Insert Steven A. Smith laugh> MWA HA HA HA HA HAAA! "

Honestly, I was on your side until you brought Steven A Smith into this. Now, I'll have to kill you in your sleep.:ihit:lol

:lol

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:11 PM

There is absolutely no evidence to prove Zimmerman initiated the altercation. If there was then "stand your ground" would not have applied.

He followed Trayvon, that right there is is initiating an altercation. Shoulda stayed in the truck like the coward he is.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:11 PM

shut. the. hell. up.

You go from calling me stupid to now calling me a bitch because I don't agree with you:lol

Look, its obvious you support domestic violence against women, violence against police officers, racism and now the senseless murder of a child. Go ahead and that the word of that guy. His story has more holes in it that swiss cheese yet you blindly believe anything this racist, murderer says. disgusting.

And you are obviously either stupid or a troll.

GFY

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:12 PM

<Insert Steven A. Smith laugh> MWA HA HA HA HA HAAA!

Are you shitting me? Stop with the faux neutrality already! Be a man and represent. I'm on Team Martin. Are you ashamed to admit what team you are on?

Listen, here is a tell-tell sign in how to know a person is on Team Zimmerman: ANYBODY who participated in the slandering of Martin's character by calling him a thug, a drug dealer, or what have you, that person fulfilled the requirement to be on Team Zimmerman.
Believe as you wish. I will remind you that pointing out things released about Martin's character could be relevant, and may be mentioned not as taking sides, but to make sure the information is complete.

Can you say with certainty that your viewpoint on that is cheerleading? Why can't it just be a simple search for the truth?

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:13 PM

You shouldn't dismiss out of hand the mitigating circumstances presented on those issues. Right now, I see you as ignorant of the information released. Keep it up, and I will also consider you stupid.

Consider the possibilities of both sides.

you're siding with a wife beater, cop beater and killer. your opinion of me is irrelevant at this point.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:14 PM

And you are obviously either stupid or a troll.

GFY

and you are a sheep and your shephered is a wife beater, cop beater and child killer. congrats:toast

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:15 PM

He followed Trayvon, that right there is is initiating an altercation. Shoulda stayed in the truck like the coward he is.

Yes. He should have stayed. He didn't, and didn't commit any crime in the process. They both had a right to be there. The shooting is a separate issue. It boils down to if it was self defense or not.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:15 PM

any evidence provide Trayvon was a thugh that used drugs or sold them? I will wait be waiting:wakeup

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:17 PM

Yes. He should have stayed.

thank you for agreeing he initiated the altercation. if he did what I suggested a child's life wouldn't have been sensely taken.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:17 PM

you're siding with a wife beater, cop beater and killer. your opinion of me is irrelevant at this point.
I see...

You have him convicted without actually seeing the evidence. Just the media reports on the negative.

You know, we had what is known as a revolutionary war, partially because there were too many people in power with attitudes like yours.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:20 PM

He followed Trayvon, that right there is is initiating an altercation. Shoulda stayed in the truck like the coward he is.

Following is not initiating the altercation.

Don't believe me.

Believe the prosecutors lead investigator:

Gilbreath also admitted that he does not know who started the fight, does not have evidence to prove who started the fight and does not have evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statement that Martin started the fight.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:20 PM

thank you for agreeing he initiated the altercation. if he did what I suggested a child's life wouldn't have been sensely taken.
He wasn't a "child," unless you are loosely using such a definition to include all people born of a woman.

I did not agree he started the altercation. They were probably both suspicious of each other.

Remember...

One called the police.

The other didn't.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:23 PM

I see...

You have him convicted without actually seeing the evidence. Just the media reports on the negative.

You know, we had what is known as a revolutionary war, partially because there were too many people in power with attitudes like yours.

never said he was convicted. you know killers and wife beaters beat their charges everyday, right?

I can say OJ Simpson had no involvement with the death of his wife and her friend because he was found not guilty.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:25 PM

Following is not initiating the altercation.

Don't believe me.

Believe the prosecutors lead investigator:

Yes it is, come on now. Following someone can be taken as a threat. Especially if it is a child that is being followed.

I guess child molesters following young girls home while they walk from school isn't initiating anything, is it? Ol' chester the molester isn't going to do anything.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:25 PM

He wasn't a "child," unless you are loosely using such a definition to include all people born of a woman.

I did not agree he started the altercation. They were probably both suspicious of each other.

Remember...

One called the police.

The other didn't.

he was a child, stop it.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:29 PM

he was a child, stop it.

We would have probably beaten the crap out of YOU for calling him a child.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 02:32 PM

We would have probably beaten the crap out of YOU for calling him a child.

How do you know this?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 02:33 PM

he was a child, stop it.
Did you feel like a child at 17? I didn't.

LOL...

A 6' 3" child... walking alone at night... taking on a guy and having the best of him...

LOL...

A child...

LOL...

The closest definition to say he was child, as in youth, is one that means he would "not be of age." In our American standard, being of age is old enough to get a drivers license. Most places, that's 16.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 02:34 PM

How do you know this?

note the use of the word *probably* dumbass.

How many 17 tear olds do you know that would like being called "a child"? Especially one with the twitter handle 'nolimitnigga"?

clambake

05-03-2012, 02:41 PM

we're gonna find out about george. but no way he takes the stand.

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 02:47 PM

note the use of the word *probably* dumbass.

How many 17 tear olds do you know that would like being called "a child"? Especially one with the twitter handle 'nolimitnigga"?Of course they are savages and can't control themselves.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:04 PM

Justice for me will be if the stand your ground law gets done away with or tweeked to where people can't claim self defense after killing someone who isn't armed when they initiate the altercation. This is especially important, wouldn't want a black person or a hispanic to kill a white kid for something similar and get away with it either.

It would also be nice if he served some jail time( more than 1 year less than life) anywhere between that range.

Fair enough. About as good as can be hoped for at this point.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:05 PM

Did you feel like a child at 17? I didn't.

LOL...

A 6' 3" child... walking alone at night... taking on a guy and having the best of him...

LOL...

A child...

LOL...

The closest definition to say he was child, as in youth, is one that means he would "not be of age." In our American standard, being of age is old enough to get a drivers license. Most places, that's 16.

yes I did. I was still in high school, living with my parents, no kids, no bills, under my parents insurance, had a curfew, went to prom. you know, just normal kid stuff.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:05 PM

would you hire someone with GZ's criminal history?

Of course not. He looks Mexican.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:06 PM

note the use of the word *probably* dumbass.

How many 17 tear olds do you know that would like being called "a child"? Especially one with the twitter handle 'nolimitnigga"?

:lol You so mad

what about the handle, "nolimitnigga" would give you the impression he would be aggressive?

There are wiggers online with the same handle or somehting close to it that wont bust a grape. try again.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:06 PM

yes I did. I was still in high school, living with my parents, no kids, no bills, under my parents insurance, had a curfew, went to prom. you know, just normal kid stuff.
Sorry you felt that way. So when was your "coming of age?" Do you think Martin felt like a child?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:08 PM

Trayvon had no criminal record..everything you listed about Trayvon's past is your opinion and speculation.

Meanwhile in child killerland...GZ has: beat up on his wife, fought an ATF agent, made prejudice an racist remarks about Mexicans whe he himself is of Mexican heritage:lmao and the cherry on this shit sundae, he killed an innocent child.

would you hire someone with GZ's criminal history?

I think you be trollin'.

But from what I've read, Travon was caught with some stolen stuff, had some drug paraphernalia, also Tweeted about hitting a bus driver or something. tbh, it's been a while since I've looked at it all. But there was enough to suggest he wasn't an innocent child.

And just because I wouldn't hire GZ, doesn't meant he's guilty of anything.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:09 PM

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:11 PM

Of course not. He looks Mexican.

:lol asshole

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:11 PM

Sorry you felt that way. So when was your "coming of age?" Do you think Martin felt like a child?

can't speculate on what the kid felt like.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:13 PM

yes I did. I was still in high school, living with my parents, no kids, no bills, under my parents insurance, had a curfew, went to prom. you know, just normal kid stuff.
When I was 16, I was already working a real job for a year after school hours and weekends. Bought my own car, and was ready to take on the world.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:13 PM

can't speculate on what the kid felt like.

there's a bad pedo joke somewhere...

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:14 PM

can't speculate on what the kid felt like.
Do kids normally attack elderly bus drivers?

clambake

05-03-2012, 03:14 PM

at least george finally got a small taste of money.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:15 PM

I think you be trollin'.

But from what I've read, Travon was caught with some stolen stuff, had some drug paraphernalia, also Tweeted about hitting a bus driver or something. tbh, it's been a while since I've looked at it all. But there was enough to suggest he wasn't an innocent child.

And just because I wouldn't hire GZ, doesn't meant he's guilty of anything.

But WC and Cowboy are hellbent on concrete, no pun, evidence. There is no evidence to suggest he was this "thug" they're trying to paint him as. He has no juvenile record.

What kids don't experiment with drugs and alcohol? Wasn't like he was a dope fiend or a drug kingpin.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:16 PM

When I was 16, I was already working a real job for a year after school hours and weekends. Bought my own car, and was ready to take on the world.

congratulations

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 03:16 PM

When I was 16, I was already working a real job for a year after school hours and weekends. Bought my own car, and was ready to take on the world.

I was already in college at 17 and damn sure would have been insulted at being called a kid.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:16 PM

Do kids normally attack elderly bus drivers?

do you have a link this happened?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:18 PM

do you have a link this happened?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193187&page=122

about halfway down or so...

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 03:18 PM

do you have a link this happened?

It's about a thousand posts back if you really care about it.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:20 PM

But WC and Cowboy are hellbent on concrete, no pun, evidence. There is no evidence to suggest he was this "thug" they're trying to paint him as. He has no juvenile record.

What kids don't experiment with drugs and alcohol? Wasn't like he was a dope fiend or a drug kingpin.
There is more evidence that Martin was a thug than there is that Zimmerman was out to get him.

Did you scan over the twwets/facebook, or what ever that stuff is?

What about the fight he participated in that made it to YouTube?

How do you know he has no juvenile record? Those things are not made public very often you know.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:22 PM

It's about a thousand posts back if you really care about it.
I have this vision of Trill being one of those kids in school that isn't interested in learning, and misses what the teacher says, and doesn't get good grades.

Trill...

How many things do you miss that are said?

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 03:23 PM

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:25 PM

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:25 PM

It's about a thousand posts back if you really care about it.

cant you just post the link from the newsite or copy and paste the court records?

I'm sure the bus driver pressed charges, right?

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 03:26 PM

cant you just post the link from the newsite or copy and paste the court records?

I'm sure the bus driver pressed charges, right?

I already read it. If you want to read it then go back and look for it.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:26 PM

There is more evidence that Martin was a thug than there is that Zimmerman was out to get him.

Did you scan over the twwets/facebook, or what ever that stuff is?

What about the fight he participated in that made it to YouTube?

How do you know he has no juvenile record? Those things are not made public very often you know.

did you see zimmerman's myspace profile I posted a couple thousand posts back? he's a grown ass man making racist remarks and bragging about kicking his wifes ass and bragging about fighting a cop. what a winner.

link to the youtube fight, please?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:26 PM

cant you just post the link from the newsite or copy and paste the court records?

I'm sure the bus driver pressed charges, right?
You can find the account as well as one of us. I most certainly don't have a photographic memory to find it any easier than you can.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:28 PM

Its hearsay

oh okay

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:28 PM

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:29 PM

I have this vision of Trill being one of those kids in school that isn't interested in learning, and misses what the teacher says, and doesn't get good grades.

Trill...

How many things do you miss that are said?

:lol what is there to learn in this tragedy? a grown woman/cop beater/racist/self-hating coward, profiled and followed a kid walking home from the store.

I did pretty well in high school and college fyi.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:30 PM

I heard his wife was a total bitch.

doesn't give him the right to beat her to a bloody pulp. I guess being a woman beater and a child killer is what's hot in 2012.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:31 PM

did you see zimmerman's myspace profile I posted a couple thousand posts back? he's a grown ass man making racist remarks and bragging about kicking his wifes ass and bragging about fighting a cop. what a winner.
Yes, I saw it. Was it verified that Zimmerman created the page? I personally think it was a phoney "tit for tat" that someone created after the online evidence of Martin came out. It doesn't fit his character as described by so many people. Yes, it's only a hunch, but we have seen phony things put up by people before.

link to the youtube fight, please?
See my prior post. It's in this thread somewhere, or in a link that's in this thread.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:33 PM

doesn't give him the right to beat her to a bloody pulp. I guess being a woman beater and a child killer is what's hot in 2012.

:lol wtf?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:33 PM

doesn't give him the right to beat her to a bloody pulp. I guess being a woman beater and a child killer is what's hot in 2012.

I didn't quite follow that story as it seems incomplete anyway, but isn't he accused on beating his wife, after he had a restraining order against her? Or am I confusing things?

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:34 PM

Sorry, the bus driver lie has been debunked.

Look it up yourself if you want proof.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:35 PM

Sorry, the bus driver lie has been debunked.

Look it up yourself if you want proof.
Don't believe you. His friends were giving him props online for it.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:35 PM

:lol what is there to learn in this tragedy? a grown woman/cop beater/racist/self-hating coward, profiled and followed a kid walking home from the store.

I did pretty well in high school and college fyi.

Really, it's just a case of two lowlifes that got cross with each other and one was eliminated. The other may go to jail or get taken out by another lowlife. Who then may go to jail also. It's kind of a win-win situation.

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:36 PM

Don't believe you. His friends were giving him props online for it.Don't believe you.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:36 PM

Yes, I saw it. Was it verified that Zimmerman created the page? I personally think it was a phoney "tit for tat" that someone created after the online evidence of Martin came out. It doesn't fit his character as described by so many people. Yes, it's only a hunch, but we have seen phony things put up by people before.

See my prior post. It's in this thread somewhere, or in a link that's in this thread.

yea you would think it was phony. same way I think your information on Trayvon being a drug abuser/dealer is phony.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:39 PM

I didn't quite follow that story as it seems incomplete anyway, but isn't he accused on beating his wife, after he had a restraining order against her? Or am I confusing things?
purposely confusing as usual.

her is evidence of her filing the protective order first:

In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:39 PM

yea you would think it was phony. same way I think your information on Trayvon being a drug abuser/dealer is phony.
Considering he agreed to take a class for the charges being dropped, it couldn't have been anything serious. I've been arrested for assault before. I was defending myself, but I was given the option to go to a short class and charges dropped. It was the easy way out, except for how the record follows a person, so yes. I sympathize with him on that.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:39 PM

Don't believe you. His friends were giving him props online for it.

props for something they thought happened but clearly didn't. try again.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:39 PM

yea you would think it was phony. same way I think your information on Trayvon being a drug abuser/dealer is phony.

no, that's been heavily documented

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:41 PM

purposely confusing as usual.

her is evidence of her filing the protective order first:

In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

So who violated the restraining orders then?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:41 PM

I've been arrested for assault before. I was defending myself,

I figure it involved you and Cosmic Cowboy in a shower together. But I'd like to hear your story anyway.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 03:42 PM

no, that's been heavily documented

user has been documented

dealing hasn't to the best of my knowledge.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:42 PM

props for something they thought happened but clearly didn't. try again.

Even if the assault didn't happen, what does that tell you if his buddies are giving him props for it?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:43 PM

user has been documented

dealing hasn't to the best of my knowledge.

been proven as well

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a3_1332790121

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:43 PM

user has been documented

dealing hasn't to the best of my knowledge.
I don't recall seeing any more than speculation on the dealing. However, he was clearly into drugs.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:44 PM

no, that's been heavily documented

yea in the metro section of MAD magazine.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:45 PM

I don't recall seeing any more than speculation on the dealing. However, he was clearly into drugs.

yep...the hoodie

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 03:46 PM

been proven as well

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a3_1332790121
Wasn't the "unauthorized" are the bus yard, where he attacked the bus driver?

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 03:46 PM

Even if the assault didn't happen, what does that tell you if his buddies are giving him props for it?
dumbass kids.

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:47 PM

been proven as well

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a3_1332790121lol

clambake

05-03-2012, 03:47 PM

look at all this support for the guy that lied to the judge. lol

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:47 PM

Wasn't the "unauthorized" are the bus yard, where he attacked the bus driver?lol

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:52 PM

lol

wait, there's more...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:55 PM

I don't recall seeing any more than speculation on the dealing. However, he was clearly into drugs.Marijuana smokers must be killed.

clambake

05-03-2012, 03:56 PM

the conservativetreehouse lol

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 03:56 PM

wait, there's more...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/more lol

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 03:58 PM

Marijuana smokers must be killed.

That's pretty extreme. But it has been proven that marijuana causes violence.

http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/victmles/violence.html

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 04:00 PM

That's pretty extreme. But it has been proven that marijuana causes violence.

http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/victmles/violence.htmllol it made me mellow and hungry.

Personal anecdote wins.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 04:02 PM

lol it made me mellow and hungry.

Personal anecdote wins.

OK. I'll buy that.

clambake

05-03-2012, 04:02 PM

true. i attacked food with a vengeance.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 04:03 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?

clambake

05-03-2012, 04:04 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?

probably jack.

god bless.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 04:05 PM

ChumpDumper

05-03-2012, 04:05 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?So how many became deserving of death because of it?

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 04:05 PM

wait, there's more...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/
Not so sure of this site. Aren't they lying here?

Really spinning the narrative here. They kept a close eye on him, yet he was suspended for tardiness. They kept a close eye on him yet they didn’t know he disappeared for 3 days after the shooting until notified by the Orange County coroners office? Something doesn’t pass the sniff test.
Didn't they find out the same day, a few hours later, when returning from a night out?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 04:05 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?

probably a lot more than have shot someone

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 04:06 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?
I'll keep my hand down.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 04:08 PM

I'll keep my hand down.

cocaine?

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 04:08 PM

I'll keep my hand down.

you're going to go blind

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2012, 04:14 PM

cocaine?

I'll keep my hand down.

Wild Cobra

05-03-2012, 04:29 PM

cocaine?

I'll keep my hand down.
I only inhaled.

CuckingFunt

05-03-2012, 05:41 PM

hmm....counting...so who in here HASN'T smoked weed?

Hasn't smoked it? Moi.

ElNono

05-03-2012, 05:52 PM

Hasn't smoked it? Moi.

You're the funny brownie kind? :lol

CuckingFunt

05-03-2012, 06:17 PM

You're the funny brownie kind? :lol

I've had it in brownie form. Didn't see what all the fuss is about, though, so never had much temptation to try smoking it.

Grew up with a mom who was a rather unabashed pothead. Could be that so much of my young life was spent in a perpetual state of contact high that I've developed an immunity.

Nbadan

05-03-2012, 07:55 PM

Now he's claiming that Trayvon circled his SUV and that Travyon covered up Zimmerman's mouth (which would discredit his claim that he was screaming for his life.) It doesn't sound like the prosecutor is buying it.

Source: Zimmerman says Trayvon circled his SUV, frightened him

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-03/news/os-trayvon-martin-circles-george-zimmerman-20120503_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-source-police-department

Creepn

05-03-2012, 08:04 PM

Lmao omg man. Smh.

Trill Clinton

05-03-2012, 08:04 PM

lolsmh:wakeup

Stringer_Bell

05-03-2012, 09:10 PM

Now he's claiming that Trayvon circled his SUV and that Travyon covered up Zimmerman's mouth (which would discredit his claim that he was screaming for his life.) It doesn't sound like the prosecutor is buying it.

Tbh, the prosecutor is in no position to "buy" anything. She's all about selling, like every other prosecutor.

cantthinkofanything

05-03-2012, 10:59 PM

oh well...people be crazy...

bobbyjoe

05-04-2012, 12:40 AM

Now he's claiming that Trayvon circled his SUV and that Travyon covered up Zimmerman's mouth (which would discredit his claim that he was screaming for his life.) It doesn't sound like the prosecutor is buying it.

Source: Zimmerman says Trayvon circled his SUV, frightened him

.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-03/news/os-trayvon-martin-circles-george-zimmerman-20120503_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-source-police-department

If Zimmerman is on record telling police Trayvon was suffocating him, the voice on the tape is clearly Trayvon... and at that point Murder 2 is probably a legitimate charge to consider.

The voice on the tape is clearly of a man begging for his life and shooting someone in the chest in spite of them begging for their life for nearly one minute indeed meets the element of "depraved indifference for human life".

His claim for self defense also goes down the toilet if Trayvon was circling his car, yet for some inexplicable reason he got out of his car. It's also incomprehensible why he wouldn't mention this to the 911 dispatcher. He specifically told the dispatcher that Travyon ran away from him. The guy circles your freaking car, then runs away from you?! LOL.

If he's on record to police saying there was a struggle for his gun, yet there is no DNA or fingerprints of Trayvon on the gun, he's going to jail for life.

The guy is clearly hiding something if this article is accurate... He adopted the kitchen sink approach of throwing a multitude of lies out there and hoping one stuck instead of just sticking to one plausible story that passed the common sense test. To think he almost got away with it...

Creepn

05-04-2012, 01:09 PM

Zimmerman got some fucking nerve telling the witness that he was the one screaming for help so he could cover his tracks. Did Zimmerman even tell the cops that he screamed for help in the initial police report? Don't remember.

clambake

05-04-2012, 02:26 PM

maybe i'm wrong. maybe he has to take the stand.

cantthinkofanything

05-04-2012, 02:43 PM

maybe i'm wrong. maybe he has to take the stand.

Seriously, for the good of everyone, the best outcome is if he kills himself and Florida rewrites their gun laws.

Wild Cobra

05-04-2012, 04:07 PM

Seriously, for the good of everyone, the best outcome is if he kills himself and Florida rewrites their gun laws.
I think the best outcome would be to have some kind of law pertaining to free speech. Not to limit free speech, but to hold all media outlets accountable for inaccurate information they propagate. What is... remember people, I said what if... the media was required to spend the same enthusiasm and time retracting a position they falsely made when it is found out they reported it wrong?

cantthinkofanything

05-04-2012, 04:15 PM

I think the best outcome would be to have some kind of law pertaining to free speech. Not to limit free speech, but to hold all media outlets accountable for inaccurate information they propagate. What is... remember people, I said what if... the media was required to spend the same enthusiasm and time retracting a position they falsely made when it is found out they reported it wrong?

IDK...that's complicated. I'd be OK, if they would lower the tax on alcohol. Or maybe subsidize hummus. I'm addicted to that shit.

Trill Clinton

05-04-2012, 04:34 PM

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cantthinkofanything

05-04-2012, 04:36 PM

^ yeah...so sue me

ChumpDumper

05-04-2012, 04:37 PM

FuzzyLumpkins

05-04-2012, 07:49 PM

ChumpDumper

05-04-2012, 07:52 PM

There were pot seeds in Trayvon's backpack once.

CASE CLOSED.

TheSkeptic

05-04-2012, 10:23 PM

If Zimmerman is on record telling police Trayvon was suffocating him, the voice on the tape is clearly Trayvon... and at that point Murder 2 is probably a legitimate charge to consider.

The voice on the tape is clearly of a man begging for his life and shooting someone in the chest in spite of them begging for their life for nearly one minute indeed meets the element of "depraved indifference for human life".

His claim for self defense also goes down the toilet if Trayvon was circling his car, yet for some inexplicable reason he got out of his car. It's also incomprehensible why he wouldn't mention this to the 911 dispatcher. He specifically told the dispatcher that Travyon ran away from him. The guy circles your freaking car, then runs away from you?! LOL.

If he's on record to police saying there was a struggle for his gun, yet there is no DNA or fingerprints of Trayvon on the gun, he's going to jail for life.

The guy is clearly hiding something if this article is accurate... He adopted the kitchen sink approach of throwing a multitude of lies out there and hoping one stuck instead of just sticking to one plausible story that passed the common sense test. To think he almost got away with it...

Yeah... I know I was talking about Manslaughter before I saw this but now I think you're right in that the prosecution may not be overcharging. Murder 2 is a life sentence right?

I just wish there was some way of adding to his sentence because this is the most insulting story I've heard from his side yet. Unbelievable. If the bullet forensics show that Zimmerman had the physically dominant position (and at this point I'm thinking they probably will because of the lack of blood), if I'm the jury I convict him. The only question is whether or not he can be sued if he's in jail.

Trayvon's parents deserve to have their son back and all the money in the world can't do that for them. :depressed

But between these lies and this new story, I think they should be entitled to some compensation courtesy of Zimmerman.

Zimmerman got some fucking nerve telling the witness that he was the one screaming for help so he could cover his tracks. Did Zimmerman even tell the cops that he screamed for help in the initial police report? Don't remember.

It takes a special kind of gutlessness to shoot someone and then tell everyone that the cries of your victim came from you. Words cannot describe how disgusted I am.

I was wondering when the prosecution was going to leak something.

I thought O'Mara had gotten the judge to seal most of the evidence though. Either way though this is pretty serious. If I'm O'Mara I don't let Zimmerman take the stand although I'm not sure how helpful that'll be if they've got his statements and the physical evidence more or less on their side.

TheSkeptic

05-04-2012, 10:30 PM

Seriously, for the good of everyone, the best outcome is if he kills himself and Florida rewrites their gun laws.

Respect. :tu

I'm not sure that their gun laws should be rewritten is my thing. It looks like the reason why Zimmerman was given legal permits to begin with was because he got off easy on what should have been at least one felony charge.

I'd be in favour of more stringent background checks and the like but I'm not sure what they can do besides better enforce what's already written or perhaps write a law that forces applicants with criminal records to be reviewed more carefully. I don't really know.

Creepn

05-04-2012, 11:04 PM

Respect. :tu

I'm not sure that their gun laws should be rewritten is my thing. It looks like the reason why Zimmerman was given legal permits to begin with was because he got off easy on what should have been at least one felony charge.

I'd be in favour of more stringent background checks and the like but I'm not sure what they can do besides better enforce what's already written or perhaps write a law that forces applicants with criminal records to be reviewed more carefully. I don't really know.

Yeah I agree with the background checks. They gave a permit to a man that has a history of violence against authorities and anger issues. So stupid. :rolleyes Why is America so lax with the guns?

FuzzyLumpkins

05-04-2012, 11:14 PM

I thought O'Mara had gotten the judge to seal most of the evidence though. Either way though this is pretty serious. If I'm O'Mara I don't let Zimmerman take the stand although I'm not sure how helpful that'll be if they've got his statements and the physical evidence more or less on their side.

Some one leaked it or the Orlando Sentinel wouldn't be making that claim. They did say they at least contested the account of how he got his head wound and they are charging him with murder.

Do you think this account of circling his car and what not matches up with what you think is the physical evidence? I personally have no idea.

Wild Cobra

05-04-2012, 11:21 PM

TheSkeptic

05-04-2012, 11:57 PM

Yeah I agree with the background checks. They gave a permit to a man that has a history of violence against authorities and anger issues. So stupid. :rolleyes Why is America so lax with the guns?

I think in general people are way too protective over things that entertain them. Too many folks have this idea that a gun is toy or a source of self-esteem as opposed to a tool that can kill. I'm definitely of the opinion that gun-related deaths and injuries need to come with harsher penalties and that it should be more difficult to get a gun (forget about concealed carry).

It's sad that it's come to that though because I'd be more in favour of everyone being trained in basic gun safety and taught how to use them properly. The thing is we've reached a point where people can't be trusted to use their weapons responsibly.

Some one leaked it or the Orlando Sentinel wouldn't be making that claim. They did say they at least contested the account of how he got his head wound and they are charging him with murder.

Do you think this account of circling his car and what not matches up with what you think is the physical evidence? I personally have no idea.

That's my take with respect to the Orlando Sentinel as well so I don't doubt that the story's likely legit. I just don't understand why Zimmerman spent that much time talking to them. Between this, the website, and the apology I think his lawyers need to reign him in.

I'm not sure the vehicle-circling makes a difference in the grand scheme of things for him legally. Even if Trayvon is circling his vehicle and Zimmerman rolls his window up to avoid a confrontation as he calls the police, according to the 911 call that's on record the kid ran away from him when he opened the door and got out. Plus it begs the question of why he left his vehicle to begin with.

What's bothering me though is that I think Zimmerman would've told the 911 operator if Trayvon had actually been circling his car as opposed to walking past him. Actually, I don't even know how that scenario is possible if Zimmerman was trailing him by car for a couple blocks before that point.

In my opinion, Zimmerman's purpose for sharing that was so that he could establish Martin as a legitimate threat in his narrative.

As for the part about Zimmerman telling the cops that Trayvon was covering his mouth and that he was the one calling for help...:lol

I've criticized the officers at the scene as well as the police department and the District Attorney but whoever interviewed Zimmerman at the station did a fantastic job if they managed to drag this much out of him.

Wild Cobra

05-05-2012, 12:14 AM

I think in general people are way too protective over things that entertain them. Too many folks have this idea that a gun is toy or a source of self-esteem as opposed to a tool that can kill. I'm definitely of the opinion that gun-related deaths and injuries need to come with harsher penalties and that it should be more difficult to get a gun (forget about concealed carry).

We have far more traffic deaths from people being careless while driving. Accident my ass... Most traffic accidents have a cause that could have been prevented if traffic laws were enforced. Death by legal use of a car is so much more common than death by legal possession of a firearm.

Trill Clinton

05-05-2012, 12:37 AM

Wild Cobra

05-05-2012, 12:47 AM

well since evidence has come out to refute you and cosmic cowboys belief that GZ was screaming for his life I guess we can talk about traffic accidents now:lol

can you explain how people purposely use their cars to kill others? are you talking about drunk driving deaths?
LOL...

I was speaking of traffic deaths in general. I don't remember the statistics, but isn't it only like 20% where deaths have a factor of alcohol? My whole point is that we have more serious concerns. When it comes to traffic deaths, I believe if we enforced things like not following too close, that so many more deaths would be avoided.

The screening for concealed carry is pretty good. The number of deaths, by a shooter holding a conceal carry permit, is very, very small. I wouldn't be surprised if more people die from being struck by lightning each year.

Trill Clinton

05-05-2012, 12:53 AM

LOL...

I was speaking of traffic deaths in general. I don't remember the statistics, but isn't it only like 20% where deaths have a factor of alcohol? My whole point is that we have more serious concerns. When it comes to traffic deaths, I believe if we enforced things like not following too close, that so many more deaths would be avoided.

The screening for concealed carry is pretty good. The number of deaths, by a shooter holding a conceal carry permit, is very, very small. I wouldn't be surprised if more people die from being struck by lightning each year.

I think it would be damn near impossible to put laws in place to prevent tailgating.

It'll be easier to make it harder for people to get guns. There are a lot of unregistered guns and gun users out in society and that's very dangerous. I bought my first gun at the gun show and was surprised at how easy the process was. I'm a young black male with my head on straight, imagine a young thug with no convictions going to buy an arsenal. Its ridiculous.

TheSkeptic

05-05-2012, 12:55 AM

We have far more traffic deaths from people being careless while driving. Accident my ass... Most traffic accidents have a cause that could have been prevented if traffic laws were enforced. Death by legal use of a car is so much more common than death by legal possession of a firearm.

I'd support harsher penalties for people who drive while under the influence or who hurt people while driving recklessly. Even then there's a difference because guns are tools that are ultimately designed to kill whereas a car is there to help you travel longer distances in less time.

Since deaths by legal firearms don't happen all that often anyway, there's nothing wrong with added deterrents for people who use their guns as an emotional crutch. Most responsible gun owners do the right thing and handle their weapons safely. They would have nothing to worry about.

Wild Cobra

05-05-2012, 01:05 AM

I think it would be damn near impossible to put laws in place to prevent tailgating.
Doesn't your state have a "basic rule?" Most states do have something to cover following too close. The problem is that too many good laws are not enforced.

It'll be easier to make it harder for people to get guns. There are a lot of unregistered guns and gun users out in society and that's very dangerous. I bought my first gun at the gun show and was surprised at how easy the process was. I'm a young black male with my head on straight, imagine a young thug with no convictions going to buy an arsenal. Its ridiculous.

Do you believe in the 2nd amendment?

ChumpDumper

05-05-2012, 02:10 AM

Do you believe in the 2nd amendment?I believe in well-regulated militias.

Trill Clinton

05-05-2012, 09:18 AM

Doesn't your state have a "basic rule?" Most states do have something to cover following too close. The problem is that too many good laws are not enforced.

Do you believe in the 2nd amendment?

yea but again, it'll be damn near impossible to enforce people following too close to a car. there is only so much enforcing you can do when it comes to traffic laws. You know how many people break the law by speeding? cops can't catch everybody.

yes I believe in the 2nd amendment as long as the right to bear arms is well regulated, which it isn't at this point.

Nbadan

05-12-2012, 01:18 AM

‘Trayvon Martin’ gun range targets sold out in two days
By David Edwards
Friday, May 11, 2012 13:24 EDT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wkmg_trayvon_target_120511c-615x345.jpg

A person selling gun range targets modeled after slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin says that their “main motivation was to make money off the controversy.”

WKMG’s Mike DeForest reported on Friday that the unidentified seller told him that the targets “sold out in 2 days.”

“The response is overwhelming,” the seller said.

~snip~
Photos of the item, which was titled “10 Pack Trayvon Martin Targets,” showed crosshairs over a hoodie similar to the one Trayvon Martin was wearing when he was shot by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in February. The figure has a bag of Skittle in his pocket and is holding what appears to be a can of iced tea, similar to what Martin had purchased before being gunned down. The pack of 10 targets was being sold for $8.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets-sold-out-in-two-days/

Nbadan

05-12-2012, 01:42 AM

Marissa Alexander) Florida woman sentenced to 20 years in controversial warning shot case
Source: CNN

Saying he had no discretion under state law, a judge sentenced a Jacksonville, Florida, woman to 20 years in prison Friday for firing a warning shot in an effort to scare off her abusive husband.

Marissa Alexander unsuccessfully tried to use Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law to derail the prosecution, but a jury in March convicted her of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of deliberation.

The case, which was prosecuted by the same state attorney who is handling the Trayvon Martin case, has gained the attention of civil rights leaders who say the African-American woman was persecuted because of her race.

After the sentencing, Rep. Corrine Brown confronted State Attorney Angela Corey in the hallway, accusing her of being overzealous, according to video from CNN affiliate WJXT.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing/index.html

Stand Your Ground (if you're white)

The 2nd-most popular comment (38 likes, no registration required): "So the guy who shoots and kills someone is let go on stand your ground, after being told by the dispatcher NOT to pursue...yet the woman who goes in to retrieve her keys and shoots a warning shot is charged and given 20 years....it's time to take a look at those prosecutors."

Wild Cobra

05-12-2012, 01:44 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wkmg_trayvon_target_120511c-615x345.jpg

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets-sold-out-in-two-days/

OMG...

Now that is a bit over the top.

Still, there are less honorable ways of making a legal buck.

Creepn

05-13-2012, 09:38 PM

Marissa Alexander) Florida woman sentenced to 20 years in controversial warning shot case
Source: CNN

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Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing/index.html

Stand Your Ground (if you're white)

The 2nd-most popular comment (38 likes, no registration required): "So the guy who shoots and kills someone is let go on stand your ground, after being told by the dispatcher NOT to pursue...yet the woman who goes in to retrieve her keys and shoots a warning shot is charged and given 20 years....it's time to take a look at those prosecutors."

20 years for a warning shot? Holy shit. If someone was threatening to kill me I'd fire a warning shot too.

CosmicCowboy

05-13-2012, 10:07 PM

I believe in well-regulated militias.

:lmao

Bitch

boutons_deux

05-13-2012, 10:19 PM

(all you white racists and bubbas) Stand Your Ground. All you n!gg@s, Stand Still!

TheSkeptic

05-14-2012, 03:28 PM

OMG...

Now that is a bit over the top.

Still, there are less honorable ways of making a legal buck.

Cashing in on the death of a teenager is despicable no matter what side you're on. And, frankly, this type of thing is the problem with a significant amount of gun owners today.

20 years for a warning shot? Holy shit. If someone was threatening to kill me I'd fire a warning shot too.

As I understood the specifics of that case, apparently they were arguing and then she went back to the garage, got the weapon, and then fired a warning shot when the man started threatening her again.

She lied about firing into the ceiling because apparently she shot into a wall or something and it turned out that there were children in the room that she fired the weapon in. And then she invoked Stand Your Ground which I don't think would've covered her in this situation.

Corey then got her for a felony and then I'm guessing Florida's 10-20-life (or something?) rule was what determined the sentencing.

If anything, I think she misunderstood the provisions of the law there and her legal counsel also dropped the ball by refusing the plea bargain that would've had her in jail but for only 3 years and instead opting to gamble.

Of course, the defendant was really not smart here but even then I do think 20 years is excessive to say the least. To me this was a 2-5 years of probation + community service + counselling + restricted gun license kind of offence.

boutons_deux

05-14-2012, 03:38 PM

And then she invoked Stand Your Ground which I don't think would've covered her in this situation.

why not?

Violence Against Women is ok with Repugs/FL, and trumps (women) stand your ground?

CosmicCowboy

05-14-2012, 03:42 PM

Zimmerman's lawyer to see all the evidence today...

ANFORD – Who gets to see the evidence against George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer awaiting trial on a charge of second-degree murder? Today, that will likely become a point of dispute between lawyers in the case and the most powerful news companies in the country.

Defense attorneyMark O'Marahas said he expects to get his first look at the evidence today. He has also warned that he will likely file paperwork, asking the judge to keep key elements from everyone else.

If he does, lawyers for the Orlando Sentinel, The New York Times, NBC, CBS, CNN and more than a half dozen other news organizations are expected to weigh in and try to prevent that.

They earlier jumped into the case and convinced Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to unseal the court file, a different and much more limited set of information.

What's at stake now is all the evidence police and prosecutors have compiled against Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford man charged with killing Trayvon Martin, an unarmed, black 17-year-old in what has become one of the most racially-charged criminal cases in the country.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon Feb. 26 as the teenager walked to the home he was visiting in a gated community in Sanford where Zimmerman lived.

The defendant told police he fired his gun in self-defense after Trayvon pinned him to the ground and began beating him. Trayvon's father, family lawyers and critics say Zimmerman is guilty of racial profiling and murder.

Normally, when a Florida prosecutor turns over evidence to a defense attorney, it becomes a public record, meaning the prosecutor has to give it to anyone who asks for it.

In major cases, reporters then pore over it and write about what they find.

In this case, however, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office has made it clear that the evidence will not immediately be available to the public.

State law gives her a "reasonable" amount of time to respond to public record requests.

Her lead trial attorney in the case, Bernie de la Rionda, has also told the judge that, like O'Mara, he doesn't want witness names made public either.

De la Rionda also may file paperwork, asking the judge to keep some or all of the evidence secret.

The judge has not signaled what he will do, but at a hearing April 27, he made clear he takes seriously his job of balancing Zimmerman's right to a fair trial with the public's right to know.

In preparing for that hearing, Rachel Fugate, the Sentinel's attorney, wrote, "There is no reason to believe that the release of material now will affect the fairness of the trial."

TheSkeptic

05-14-2012, 03:53 PM

And then she invoked Stand Your Ground which I don't think would've covered her in this situation.

why not?

Because of the restraining order and the fact that she had a legitimate chance to leave (as evidenced by the fact that she was able to go to his garage and retrieve his gun).

SYG essentially means that an individual has no duty to retreat if there is fear for his/her life or imminent bodily harm. That's completely different from leaving the place where the conflict is happening and then coming back with a loaded firearm imo but by itself I wouldn't convict her for it.

I'm guessing what Corey did however, was prove the charge of assault with a deadly weapon. It was proven that the defendant in this case lied about aiming for the ceiling and instead fired into a wall near her abusive husband. They also showed that there were children nearby when she did that which could've put one of them in danger as well. The felony then removed her from the protection of SYG and the rest sorted itself out.

Violence Against Women is ok with Repugs/FL, and trumps (women) stand your ground?

Hey, I didn't write the law. I was just making an observation.

Even if SYG didn't apply here, I still don't think this lady should've gone to prison for 20 years. She's hardly a threat to society at large and I think this was a situation where a different approach was needed.

CosmicCowboy

05-14-2012, 04:06 PM

20 years for a warning shot? Holy shit. If someone was threatening to kill me I'd fire a warning shot too.

True story...I was in high school and a couple of us went to a friends house after school. He was a big guy and his parents were big people...his dad worked on transmissions and would just reach down and pick them up by himself and put them on his workbench.

Anyway, we were in the living room playing poker when the mother got home and started dinner. She had dinner ready and the dad still wasn't home. She was a little irritated and when he finally came in it was pretty clear that he had stopped somewhere and had a few drinks. She started bitching him out and he started responding...told her she was acting like a fucking bitch...she slapped him. He literally picked her up and threw her through the sheetrock wall, through the tile on the other side of the wall in the hall bath and landed in the bathtub...we could hear her get up and about 15 seconds later we all heard her coming down the hall racking a shell into that 30-30 Marlin...we were all like "oh shit!" us kids hit the ground, has dad was hauling ass for the back door, and she came around the corner shooting...she got off 3 shots (misses) before his dad got over the back fence...It's funny looking back on it but it was scary as hell at the time...needless to say we booked it outa there before the dad came home for round two.

Sportcamper

05-15-2012, 12:20 PM

needless to say we booked it outa there before the dad came home for round two.

Should have taken my advice & gotten an agent 10 years ago…These stories are priceless…Amazing tales by Cosmic Cowboy…:lmao

DMX7

05-15-2012, 10:21 PM

:lmao

Bitch

Why? Because you just want to forget about that part?

Blake

05-16-2012, 09:50 AM

True story...I was in high school and a couple of us went to a friends house after school. He was a big guy and his parents were big people...his dad worked on transmissions and would just reach down and pick them up by himself and put them on his workbench.

Anyway, we were in the living room playing poker when the mother got home and started dinner. She had dinner ready and the dad still wasn't home. She was a little irritated and when he finally came in it was pretty clear that he had stopped somewhere and had a few drinks. She started bitching him out and he started responding...told her she was acting like a fucking bitch...she slapped him. He literally picked her up and threw her through the sheetrock wall, through the tile on the other side of the wall in the hall bath and landed in the bathtub...we could hear her get up and about 15 seconds later we all heard her coming down the hall racking a shell into that 30-30 Marlin...we were all like "oh shit!" us kids hit the ground, has dad was hauling ass for the back door, and she came around the corner shooting...she got off 3 shots (misses) before his dad got over the back fence...It's funny looking back on it but it was scary as hell at the time...needless to say we booked it outa there before the dad came home for round two.

I don't recall there being any kids in Mr and Mrs Smith