Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" [Archive] - Page 15

FuzzyLumpkins

06-07-2012, 10:45 PM

Damn you are stupid.

Don't believe me.

Google Forcible Felony.

Shit. Fucking idiot.

776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

He was not being forced to carry a handgun. Did Zimmerman even have a CCL? I really do not know. He would have been engaged in unlawful activity if he had been carrying the gun illegally to begin with.

Further, speculation of a crime does not mean evidence of a crime. Martin committed no known crime that night.

Now I realize that you have probably had a couple of drinks but the pejoratives without basis are pretty childish

Finally, i am still waiting for you to comment on the MMA witness, who is the only one who described Martin on top beating on Zimmerman, recanting his testimony. You made that comment about changing if evidence changed but you come across as drunk tbh.

DMX7

06-07-2012, 11:14 PM

I think we're losing sight of the fact that he was black.

Wild Cobra

06-08-2012, 02:42 AM

From a legal standpoint if it was a legitimate SYG shoot, he would not be charged with murder because of SYG, but he could be charged with illegal carry.
Wrong.

Florida's Stand Your Ground law specifically states the defense does not apply if you are engaged in illegal activity.

From Florida 776.013 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html):

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

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or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
I'm sorry, but possessing a weapon illegally is being "engaged in unlawful activity" and therefore is a disqualifier.

Wild Cobra

06-08-2012, 02:54 AM

As I said about, these SYG laws are really "(You White Guys) Stand Your Ground"

Florida's Stand Your Ground Defense More Likely To Succeed If Victim Is Black

A newspaper report has found that the Stand Your Ground self-defense statute in Florida is more likely to succeed when the victim is black.

The Tampa Bay Times looked at 200 cases and found that in instances in which the victim was black, the person who invoked the defense went free 73 percent of the time. If the victim was white, the person walked free 59 percent of the time. The report also found that more than two thirds of all the people who invoked the law were acquitted, and that the defense is being invoked in more and more cases.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/stand-your-ground-defense-study_n_1575686.html?ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=060712&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

An additional interpretation besides racist, vigilantes whites killing blacks is dickless whites needing to carry guns to compensate for their chickehshit dicklessness.
LOL....]

Followed the links, and here are some conclusions:

The Times analysis found no obvious bias in how black defendants have been treated:

• Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.

• Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.

• In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.

• Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants — a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.

Race plays complex role in Florida's 'stand your ground' law (http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/races-complex-role/1233152)

Wild Cobra

06-08-2012, 02:59 AM

I think we're losing sight of the fact that he was black.
I should not matter.

boutons_deux

06-08-2012, 06:04 AM

How the NRA and Its Allies Helped Spread a Radical Gun Law Nationwide

The cumulative effect of those cases has been staggering: Two years after Stand Your Ground passed in Florida, the number of "justifiable homicides" by civilians more than doubled, and it nearly tripled by 2011. FBI statistics show a similar national trend: Justifiable homicides doubled in states with Florida-style laws, while they remained flat or fell in states that lacked them. Jansen also notes that research has shown that, when it came to domestic-abuse cases, "the only thing Stand Your Ground did was blur the lines between who was the batterer and who was the victim."

He says the laws have been passed without legislators asking basic questions: What, exactly, makes a fear of imminent harm reasonable? Do the laws have a disparate negative effect on minorities or juveniles? And, perhaps the simplest question: "Is it worth losing a life over a car radio?"

That's happened, too. In Miami, a man was granted immunity in March for chasing down a burglar and stabbing him after the thief swung a bag of stolen car radios at him. He "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property," the judge ruled. A state attorney for Miami-Dade County disagreed: "She, in effect, is saying that it's appropriate to chase someone down with a knife to get property back."

Safety Off

Since 2005, Florida lawmakers have taken aim at gun control with a barrage of deregulation measures:

Requiring employers to let employees keep guns in their cars while at work
Requiring city and county governments to allow guns in public buildings and parks
Lifting a long-standing ban on guns in national forests and state parks
Allowing military personnel as young as 17 to get concealed-weapons licenses. (Age limit remains 21 for everyone else.)
Withholding the names of concealed-carry licensees in public records
Permitting concealed-carry licensees "to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person." (The original bill would have allowed guns on college campuses, but it was amended after a GOP lawmaker's friend's daughter was accidentally killed with an AK-47 at a frat party.)
Prohibiting doctors from asking patients if they keep guns or ammo in the house unless it's "relevant" to their care or safety. (Overturned by a federal judge.)
Allowing legislators, school board members, and county commissioners to carry concealed weapons at official meetings. (Didn't pass; another bill to let judges pack heat "at any time and in any place" died in 2009.)
Designating a day for tax-free gun purchases. (Didn't pass.)
Exempting guns manufactured in Florida from any federal regulations. (Didn't pass.)

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nra-alec-stand-your-ground

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fucked and unfuckable America is fucking nuts. American "civilization" (aka fat, dumb, and watching TV) is in obvious and permanent decline. There's no stopping it as the "Christian", gun nut, VRWC/1%/UCA grab weatlh and power and fuck everybody else to hell.

CosmicCowboy

06-08-2012, 08:26 AM

Wrong.

Florida's Stand Your Ground law specifically states the defense does not apply if you are engaged in illegal activity.

From Florida 776.013 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html):

I'm sorry, but possessing a weapon illegally is being "engaged in unlawful activity" and therefore is a disqualifier.

I can't believe you are arguing this point. If it's a righteous shoot they aren't going to charge the shooter with murder.

Example:

Innocent woman driving down street. Bad guy jacks her at red light, takes her to deserted area and viciously beats her up then starts ripping her clothes off in preparation to rape her. As he is pulling his pants down she breaks away and somehow gets to her purse and pulls out a gun and shoots him. She doesn't have a concealed carry permit.

No prosecutor in their right mind would charge her with murder. They MIGHT charge her with carrying the gun illegally.

Creepn

06-08-2012, 09:32 AM

You're such an idiot CC.

CosmicCowboy

06-08-2012, 09:52 AM

You're such an idiot CC.

I really don't give a shit what a stupid ass ignorant troll thinks.

Creepn

06-08-2012, 12:35 PM

I really don't give a shit what a stupid ass ignorant troll thinks.

Whatever. You think anybody who disagrees with you is a troll. Nothing wrong with being ignorant as long as you are willing to learn as I am. But in your case, I think you are too stupid to learn which makes you the stupid ass ignorant troll.

CosmicCowboy

06-08-2012, 12:37 PM

FuzzyLumpkins

06-08-2012, 02:41 PM

So in the example I gave, you maintain that the car jacked rape victim would be prosecuted for murder because she defended herself with a gun and didn't have a CHL?

:lmao

Look who is calling who stupid!

I showed you the statute and worked out to the logical conclusion. You gave an hypothetical. Florida gun laws are stupid and not very well thought out is about all you have proven.

I'll give you an example of some case law:

A lot of attention has been paid to Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law and far too little to the state’s extreme gun sentencing laws. Less than a year ago, I told readers of this page about the outrageous case of Orville Lee Wollard, a lawful gun owner who fired a warning shot in his home to chase off a young man who had been abusing his teenage daughter. Wollard believed he had the right to protect his family so he rejected a plea offer. Unfortunately, a jury rejected Wollard’s self-defense claim and found him guilty of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill. A Florida judge was forced by the state’s mandatory gun sentencing law to send Wollard to prison for 20 years.

Particularly galling was the fact that just two weeks after Wollard was sentenced, the U.S. Supreme Court in Hellerv. DistrictofColumbia affirmed the right of Americans to have a firearm “and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.” The ruling was cold comfort for the Wollard family.

Just when it seemed that Florida’s inflexible gun sentencing laws couldn’t produce a worse result, I learned last week of an upcoming sentencing in Florida that exceeds Wollard’s for sheer stupidity and rank injustice.

On Aug. 1, 2010, Marissa Alexander pointed her lawfully registered handgun into the ceiling and told her husband to leave the house. Ms. Alexander’s husband had just roughed her up and was threatening to kill her. She had every reason to believe he might make good on his threat. He had physically abused her in the past, one time sending her to the hospital.

On that August afternoon, however, Ms. Alexander’s husband violated a restraining order against him and came into her house, where he discovered what he considered suspicious text messages on her phone. He flew into a rage and allegedly choked her and refused to let her leave the house, where her two stepsons were also present. After breaking free and making her way to the garage, Ms. Alexander realized she did not have her car keys, and couldn’t leave the house.

Ms. Alexander grabbed her handgun and re-entered her home to retrieve her keys. Her husband continued to threaten her and refused to leave despite her repeated requests. Finally, Ms. Alexander fired one shot from her handgun into the ceiling and her husband left. Ms. Alexander’s husband told investigators in a deposition that she never pointed the gun at him or her stepsons and that she probably fired the warning shot because, “I honestly think she just didn’t want me to put my hands on her anymore, so she did what she feel like she have to do to make sure she wouldn’t get hurt.”

Ms. Alexander’s husband later changed his story and said he feared that his wife was going to fatally shoot him right then and there. Ms. Alexander was arrested and charged with three counts of aggravated assault (one count related to her husband, and two more for her stepsons). Confident of her innocence, she rejected a plea bargain and went to trial. In a quick verdict that stunned those in the courtroom, the jury found Ms. Alexander guilty.

It’s not my place to second-guess their decision. Perhaps Ms. Alexander’s actions, like Wollard‘s, technically satisfied the elements for assault with a deadly weapon as soon as she fired her gun. But the jury did not know that she faced a mandatory 20-year sentence. Perhaps if they did, they would have felt like the judge who sentenced Wollard, who said, “This [sentence] is obviously excessive … if it weren’t for the mandatory minimum … I would use my discretion and impose some separate sentence, having taken into consideration the circumstances of the event.”

Ms. Alexander’s judge will have no discretion, either. Barring something extraordinary, Ms. Alexander will spend the next two decades in state prison, despite hurting no one. Florida’s 10-20-Life gun law, however well intentioned, must be reformed to give judges more discretion in cases like Ms. Alexander’s and Wollard‘s. Otherwise, the right of lawful, gun-owning individuals to protect themselves and their families from physical harm in their homes will be extinguished.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/1/self-defense-might-be-illegal-in-florida/

Have any case law to back up your claims or are you finally willing to admit that FL gun statutes are stupid?

CosmicCowboy

06-08-2012, 02:54 PM

I showed you the statute and worked out to the logical conclusion. You gave an hypothetical. Florida gun laws are stupid and not very well thought out is about all you have proven.

I'll give you an example of some case law:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/1/self-defense-might-be-illegal-in-florida/

Have any case law to back up your claims or are you finally willing to admit that FL gun statutes are stupid?

None of your "case law" has a fucking thing to do with stand your ground, or self defense.

Try again.

Wild Cobra

06-08-2012, 03:37 PM

I can't believe you are arguing this point. If it's a righteous shoot they aren't going to charge the shooter with murder.

Example:

Innocent woman driving down street. Bad guy jacks her at red light, takes her to deserted area and viciously beats her up then starts ripping her clothes off in preparation to rape her. As he is pulling his pants down she breaks away and somehow gets to her purse and pulls out a gun and shoots him. She doesn't have a concealed carry permit.

No prosecutor in their right mind would charge her with murder. They MIGHT charge her with carrying the gun illegally.
I am only pointing out the Stand Your ground law does not protect them in such a case. I believe Florida has two other self defense provisions laws outside of Stand your ground.

They looked at 200 shootings claiming Stand Your Ground with 36 not yet resolved. They only had 164 to go with. I'm sure there are other cases not included because they were not using the Stand Your ground provision, but those that only had it as a defense, are probably among the losing cases.

Th'Pusher

06-12-2012, 03:56 PM

Oh my. Zimmerman's wife arrested for perjury

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/06/12/george-zimmerman-s-wife-arrested.html

Wild Cobra

06-12-2012, 04:02 PM

I thought she was his "ex."

Trill Clinton

06-12-2012, 04:03 PM

Pusher beat me to it. good lookin' out homeboy.

this zimmerman cat is a piece of work. his wife should divorce him after this bullshit. he doesn't care about her, all he cares about is his own ass. what husband would allow their wife to take the stand and lie, knowing it could lead to her facing jail time as well? he'll do anything to weasel his way out of this.

Th'Pusher

06-12-2012, 04:06 PM

I thought she was his "ex."

Not sure about that. Everything I have read is referring to her as his wife.

Trill Clinton

06-12-2012, 04:07 PM

I thought she was his "ex."

naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage.

Wild Cobra

06-12-2012, 04:08 PM

Not sure about that. Everything I have read is referring to her as his wife.

naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage.
Yes, I just looked it up. I was mixing them up.

Th'Pusher

06-12-2012, 04:11 PM

Yes, I just looked it up. I was mixing them up.

Guy seems like a pretty quality human being doesn't he WC?

clambake

06-12-2012, 04:13 PM

she posted bail?

the senior zimmermans were thinking they finally had the place to themselves.

Wild Cobra

06-12-2012, 04:16 PM

Guy seems like a pretty quality human being doesn't he WC?
Never said such a thing now, did I.

Th'Pusher

06-12-2012, 04:19 PM

Never said such a thing now, did I.

I just assumed that because of the way you constantly go to bat for him. Sorry. My mistake.

clambake

06-12-2012, 05:14 PM

she should have been arrested weeks ago. florida court dragging their feet. another reason he'll probably walk.

Creepn

06-12-2012, 06:03 PM

This muthafucka really think he has that white privilege on his side. Or does he?

FuzzyLumpkins

06-12-2012, 06:17 PM

None of your "case law" has a fucking thing to do with stand your ground, or self defense.

Try again.

Yeah this first paragraph doesn't mention either...... oh wait:

A lot of attention has been paid to Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law and far too little to the state’s extreme gun sentencing laws. Less than a year ago, I told readers of this page about the outrageous case of Orville Lee Wollard, a lawful gun owner who fired a warning shot in his home to chase off a young man who had been abusing his teenage daughter. Wollard believed he had the right to protect his family so he rejected a plea offer. Unfortunately, a jury rejected Wollard’s self-defense claim and found him guilty of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill. A Florida judge was forced by the state’s mandatory gun sentencing law to send Wollard to prison for 20 years.

Again this is the Washington Times. This is not exactly MSNBC we are talking about. In both cases they were getting assaulted or someone they knew was getting assaulted yet the self defense pleas were ignored. It clearly shows that in practice your shield is not what you claim it to be.

Not only was it not a shield but mandatory gun laws put his ass in the slammer.

Are you really going to act like a child with his hands over his ears screaming "I CANNOT HEAR YOU!" rather than admit any point?

How about MMA guy recanting? You going to acknowledge that or you just going to be like WC and cling to the way you want things to be no matter what?

Fabbs

06-12-2012, 06:47 PM

naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage.
Are you just making this up / heard it at da barber shop?
Link?

FuzzyLumpkins

06-12-2012, 06:59 PM

Google is tough to use I know:

Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.

That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.

In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

In fairness, the article is not all accusatory. Read it.

Trill Clinton

06-12-2012, 07:06 PM

Are you just making this up / heard it at da barber shop?
Link?
chill with the racist innuendo b. i have no reason to lie on this coward. if you're genuinely interested look it up yourself.

Fabbs

06-12-2012, 07:18 PM

chill with the racist innuendo b. i have no reason to lie on this coward. if you're genuinely interested look it up yourself.
googled it. Nothing.
You're just fabricating it to fit your racist troll agenda?

Fabbs

06-12-2012, 07:27 PM

Google is tough to use I know:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

In fairness, the article is not all accusatory. Read it.

"In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted."

a. Let me know how this article matches up with Trill Clintons barbershop gossip of quote "naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage."
b. Like you said, the article is hardly accusatory.

clambake

06-12-2012, 07:36 PM

zimmerman got anger management where as a brother woulda got 10 years.

just sayin.

Trill Clinton

06-12-2012, 07:43 PM

"In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted."

a. Let me know how this article matches up with Trill Clintons barbershop gossip of quote "naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage."
b. Like you said, the article is hardly accusatory.

lol here you go again with the racist innuendo. there is no reason for it. are you secure with yourself? if so, you wouldn't have to go the coward route and spew that shit over the interwebs. chill with that.

the only troll here is you. zimmerman assaulted his ex and she filed a P.O. to cover his butt he also filed one. twist it however you like to make you feel better he is a wife beater and has no respect for authority which was shown by him assaulting a off duty police officer. he allowed his wife to take the stand and LIE for him, risking her freedom. keep making up excuses for your coward brethren all you like:toast

Fabbs

06-12-2012, 07:44 PM

zimmerman got anger management where as a brother woulda got 10 years.

just sayin.
:lol
http://media.masslive.com/entertainment/photo/f-lee-bailey-oj-simpson-johnny-cochran-f1042fdca256d045_large.jpg

Fabbs

06-12-2012, 07:47 PM

:cry:cry
Try to be accountable.
And stop making stuff up. :lol

clambake

06-12-2012, 07:48 PM

:lol
http://media.masslive.com/entertainment/photo/f-lee-bailey-oj-simpson-johnny-cochran-f1042fdca256d045_large.jpg

whats the difference between this guy and zim?

actually, you don't need to answer that. you're asking for links cuz its not important enough for you to find the facts yourself.

maybe you should just donate some money.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-12-2012, 07:50 PM

"In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted."

a. Let me know how this article matches up with Trill Clintons barbershop gossip of quote "naw the ex was the one he beat up and she had to file a protective order on. this is his 2nd marriage."
b. Like you said, the article is hardly accusatory.

She filed it first and then he later filed one of his own. She claimed a restraining order on the basis of domestic violence which was granted. That means the judge agreed that she needed protection from him.

The violence may very well have been mutual but I have no idea what grounds he made his request on. Maybe she beat back on him. Fact is that he had a restraining order against him approved by a judge from his previous fiancee with domestic violence as grounds. That's the basis. That he also filed one is besides the point at hand. What Trill said is accurate except she never married him. Is it that difficult to understand?

And what's with the barber shop bullshit? You get your takes at the bowling alley? Why don't you hold up a sign that says 'I am a big fucking racist!' It goes straight to your credibility in the argument. It's not even self-serving. It's stupid.

clambake

06-12-2012, 07:52 PM

he can use the money. took him a couple a weeks to blow through $50K+.

Trill Clinton

06-12-2012, 07:55 PM

Try to be accountable.
And stop making stuff up. :lol

tell ya brother in cowardice that.

Creepn

06-12-2012, 11:48 PM

zimmerman got anger management where as a brother woulda got 10 years.

just sayin.

lol I like this guy. You are my e-friend Clambake.

Creepn

06-12-2012, 11:59 PM

lol Fabbs calls a black wife beater a racist term a few pages back but this zimmerman guy gets a full pass from him. :rolleyes

Fabbs

06-13-2012, 12:01 AM

The violence may very well have been mutual but I have no idea what grounds he made his request on. .....
That he also filed one is besides the point at hand.

From the article:
"Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds and both orders were granted"
....

Yet you "have no idea on what grounds he made his request on".
Maybe you should STFU?
:lol preaching to me and attempting to come to Trills **rescue** while botching the facts.

Creepn

06-13-2012, 12:05 AM

From the article:
"Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds and both orders were granted"
....

Yet you "have no idea on what grounds he made his request on".
Maybe you should STFU?
:lol preaching to me and attempting to come to Trills **rescue** while botching the facts.

his ex wasn't the only one. He assaulted some girl while being a bouncer or some some like that.

Fabbs

06-13-2012, 12:10 AM

And what's with the barber shop bullshit?
I like black barbershops. Rapping sports and cars with them is fun.
That you butthurt Al Sharpton types are overly defensive and nursing the chip on your shoulders while trying to make this a racial issue shows your insecurity.
For all i know you're one of Spurstalks many "Whiggas" anyway. :lmao

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:11 AM

I just assumed that because of the way you constantly go to bat for him. Sorry. My mistake.
I wouldn't call it gong to bat for him. I am supporting what i believe to be the truth. I think he has some issues that I wouldn't want to be around. So does Martin. Just because I see the law as being on Zimmerman's side, with the facts released to date, doesn't mean I like him.

What I find unsettling is all those here who want revenge against Zimmerman when the facts would seem to exonerate him.

Fabbs

06-13-2012, 12:14 AM

his ex wasn't the only one. He assaulted some girl while being a bouncer or some some like that.
When a chick files a restraining order and a guy files one right back and the issue ends up getting dropped, it must be the guys fault, right? Grow a pair.
You'd get thrown out of the black barbershop i go to. :lol

Ditto with the assault charges while Zim was a bouncer. Ohh, a chick files an assault charge filed against a bouncer. It must be true. Do tell what the court outcome was.

Creepn

06-13-2012, 12:21 AM

I like black barbershops. Rapping sports and cars with them is fun.
That you butthurt Al Sharpton types are overly defensive and nursing the chip on your shoulders while trying to make this a racial issue shows your insecurity.
For all i know you're one of Spurstalks many "Whiggas" anyway. :lmao

They wouldn't cut your hair if they saw the shit you've been spouting. All you have to say is "I support zimmerman" and its back to SuperCuts for you.

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:21 AM

wc is gonna tell us about the dead kid's issues. be specific.

we're waiting.

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:22 AM

They wouldn't cut your hair if they saw the shit you've been spouting. All you have to say is "I support zimmerman" and its back to SuperCuts for you.
Huh?

What's your message?

Are you implying that all blacks are against Zimmerman and for Martin because of race?

When's the last time you asked yourself just how racist you are?

Is it a "black thing" to always support a brother, regardless of truth?

What's your message?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:23 AM

unless you're plowed again.

i would never be sober if i were you.

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:23 AM

wc is gonna tell us about the dead kid's issues. be specific.

we're waiting.
What are you waiting for? Did you miss all the previous posts that spell out what a juvenile shithead he was?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:25 AM

What are you waiting for? Did you miss all the previous posts that spell out what a juvenile shithead he was?

you mean the part where his murderer claimed he was on drugs?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:26 AM

you know, the murderer that lies.

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:27 AM

you mean the part where his murderer claimed he was on drugs?
You know. I have a few old vinyl albums that often skip and repeat was was already said also. Did you miss that topic the first time around, or do you like being a broken record?

Creepn

06-13-2012, 12:27 AM

Huh?

What's your message?

Are you implying that all blacks are against Zimmerman and for martin because of race?

When's the last time you asked yourself just how racist you are?

Is it a "black thing" to always support a brother, regardless of truth?

What's your message?

Blacks are against zimmerman because he killed an unarmed black teen and was about to get away with it clean. Think black people are ok with that? Stop being so naive.

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:27 AM

by the way, congrats on the bartender coming back.

she's a real catch!

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:29 AM

You know. I have a few old vinyl albums that often skip and repeat was was already said also. Did you miss that topic the first time around, or do you like being a broken record?

has it escaped your attention that the judge says he and his wife are liars?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:30 AM

You know. I have a few old vinyl albums that often skip and repeat was was already said also. Did you miss that topic the first time around, or do you like being a broken record?

was was already said also???????

step away from the bottle

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:32 AM

Blacks are against zimmerman because he killed an unarmed black teen and was about to get away with it clean. Think black people are ok with that? Stop being so naive.

Where's the outrage when it's black on black violence or black on white? This is pretty obviously a self defense case.

You need to stop being a racist, and if you are saying all blacks are like this, I would first say you are wrong. Worse yet, you are giving ammunition to those who wish to claim blacks are inferior, by acting that way.

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:32 AM

has it escaped your attention that the judge says he and his wife are liars?

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:36 AM

has it escaped your attention that the judge says he and his wife are liars?
Not at all. It is probably true, but let the system decide. I would say that martin was a felony waiting to happen anyway.

Fact... Fight Club style video.

Fact... Multiple suspensions.

Fact... High at the time. Yes, it was found in his blood. It only remains in fatty tissue for long term.

Fact... Props from friends over threatening a bus driver, in the bus yard... a restricted area.

How many other things did you miss about your angelboy?

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:39 AM

was was already said also???????

step away from the bottle
LOL...

This, from a guy, who doesn't know what a shift key is for?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:47 AM

Not at all. It is probably true, but let the system decide. I would say that martin was a felony wauitih=ng to happen anyway.
geez, you're a complete drunk

Fact... Fight Club style video.
show it

Fact... Multiple suspensions.

how many and for what?

Fact... High at the time. Yes, it was found in his blood. It only remains in fatty tissue for long term.
not one fact about high at the time.....you drunken sailor

Fact... Props from friends over treating a bus driver, in the bus yard... a restricted area.tell us the facts

How many other things did you miss about your angelboy?
i missed the part where you acknowledge he stalked the kid and killed him.

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:49 AM

wouldn't amanda appreciate it if you were already passed out?

clambake

06-13-2012, 12:51 AM

why don't you send union money to the liar?

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 12:52 AM

LOL.... ClamBoy...

You really are a piece of shit, aren't you...

Creepn

06-13-2012, 12:56 AM

Where's the outrage when it's black on black violence or black on white? This is pretty obviously a self defense case.

You need to stop being a racist, and if you are saying all blacks are like this, I would first say you are wrong. Worse yet, you are giving ammunition to those who wish to claim blacks are inferior, by acting that way.

yeah what about Martin's self defense? martin takes priority unless something really damming about Martin comes up but nothing has yet. He was an innocent young teen that got murdered because of some racial profiling fat liar. He lied to himself that Martin was a criminal. Not saying all blacks backs Martin, maybe about 99.5 percent lol.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-13-2012, 01:08 AM

Someone does not understand the relationship between blood flow and fat solubility. It stays in your blood for the entire time you dolt. How do you think it stays in your piss for a month after you smoke it? You think it just accumulates in the fat around your kidneys?

You suck at human physiology too.

Creepn

06-13-2012, 01:08 AM

Not at all. It is probably true, but let the system decide. I would say that martin was a felony waiting to happen anyway.

I'm tired of this shit. Martin seem a regular black teen to me. Teenagers are rebellious with their rap or metal. As a teen I knew a few kids who dabbled in beer or weed. I got suspended a few times for fighting and my mom would whoop my ass. Yes I was into the hip hop scene and fashion because the girls I liked were into bad boys like that. In the end I went to college, became successful and pay taxes. It's bullshit to assume one is destined to become a career criminal because of a PHASE.

Trill Clinton

06-13-2012, 01:23 AM

When a chick files a restraining order and a guy files one right back and the issue ends up getting dropped, it must be the guys fault, right? Grow a pair.
You'd get thrown out of the black barbershop i go to. :lol

Ditto with the assault charges while Zim was a bouncer. Ohh, a chick files an assault charge filed against a bouncer. It must be true. Do tell what the court outcome was.

ahhhh..so you're cool because you go to a black barbershop:lol:toast

only white dudes, assuming you are white, i see in all the barbershops I have been to want to be black. I know your little secret, its cool. You live vicariously through your black friends, hang out at the hip hop clubs, play madden:lol, go to the barbershop to get a razor edge up and a fade; and you sit there quiet as a mouse, afraid to speak your mind because you don't want to loose your cool points. so you go online and let all that bigotry that you've been holding back come out.

I bet if there was a discussion on this case in the black barbershop you frequent you wouldn't say shit:wakeup

Creepn

06-13-2012, 03:20 AM

ahhhh..so you're cool because you go to a black barbershop:lol:toast

only white dudes, assuming you are white, i see in all the barbershops I have been to want to be black. I know your little secret, its cool. You live vicariously through your black friends, hang out at the hip hop clubs, play madden:lol, go to the barbershop to get a razor edge up and a fade; and you sit there quiet as a mouse, afraid to speak your mind because you don't want to loose your cool points. so you go online and let all that bigotry that you've been holding back come out.

I bet if there was a discussion on this case in the black barbershop you frequent you wouldn't say shit:wakeup

Fabbs is a short little mousey 14 year old with a big e-mouth. Bump has a pic of him in his sig I believe. You just know he studies up on using correct nomenclature before heading to the barbershop lol.

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 03:29 AM

I'm tired of this shit. Martin seem a regular black teen to me. Teenagers are rebellious with their rap or metal. As a teen I knew a few kids who dabbled in beer or weed. I got suspended a few times for fighting and my mom would whoop my ass. Yes I was into the hip hop scene and fashion because the girls I liked were into bad boys like that. In the end I went to college, became successful and pay taxes. It's bullshit to assume one is destined to become a career criminal because of a PHASE.

I'll bet you and your friends also beat up on someone just for following them also. Is that why you are defending martin? You agree with assaulting a strangers ass?

FuzzyLumpkins

06-13-2012, 03:32 AM

You have no idea how the confrontation went. Quit inserting supposition for facts.

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 03:38 AM

You have no idea how the confrontation went. Quit inserting supposition for facts.
Neither does anyone else here, but from all I have seen, it only points one direction.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-13-2012, 05:38 AM

You are stupid and biased with a demonstrated record of supposing what you want to be true regardless of other possibilities.

If you think it only points to Martin starting the fight then you are just being stupid. Not unusual considering the source but its stupid.

Zimmerman was pursuing him because he didn't want 'fucking punks' to get away. I could see either one of them initiating the conflict but I don't know and i refuse to just pick one and make claims on it. That's what your irresponsible ass does.

You have no idea how the confrontation went. Quit inserting supposition for facts.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-13-2012, 05:52 AM

You got anything more to say about him being high at the time due to it being in his blood or you just letting that go because you now realize it was ignorant?

Wild Cobra

06-13-2012, 06:00 AM

You got anything more to say about him being high at the time due to it being in his blood or you just letting that go because you now realize it was ignorant?
I will give you that one.

Happy? You finally win one.

clambake

06-13-2012, 11:04 AM

after seeing zims wife, it wouldn't surprise me if he were after martin's skittles!

Creepn

06-13-2012, 11:31 AM

I'll bet you and your friends also beat up on someone just for following them also. Is that why you are defending martin? You agree with assaulting a strangers ass?

uh no, technology to instantaneously upload videos to websites weren't around at the time so no. Even then I was never a bully. In fact two of my suspensions came from fighting someone who was bullying some one.

I'm defending martin because he was falsely profiled as a criminal just because of his skin color and hoodie and died for it. On top of that, he was about to just walk off as if nothing happened! Justice is not blind and I want to poke her eyes out.

boutons_deux

06-13-2012, 11:53 AM

hey, you white vigilantes shooting blacks, NRA's got a new product for you

NRA Offers ‘Stand Your Ground’ Insurance To Cover Legal Costs Of Shooting People In Self-Defense

What’s Covered:

• Provides coverage up to the limit selected for criminal and civil defense costs.

• Cost of civil suit defense is provided in addition to the limit of liability for bodily injury and property damage.

• Criminal Defense Reimbursement is provided for alleged criminal actions involving self-defense when you are acquitted of such criminal charges or the charges are dropped.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/13/497635/nra-stand-your-ground-insurance/

so keep sending your sucker money to the NRA (NRA is a exclusively a busine$$) and don't let legal bills stop you from shooting up the town when you feel threatened.

Creepn

06-13-2012, 12:01 PM

NRA=KKK hiding in plain sight

Fabbs

06-13-2012, 12:14 PM

ahhhh..so you're cool because you go to a black barbershop:lol:toast
Nope. It's two doors down from a business i frequent. The owner of the barb shop and i drive the same exact car so we started rapping when he was out front taking a break.

I don't get my hair cut there. :rollin

only white dudes, assuming you are white, i see in all the barbershops I have been to want to be black. I know your little secret, its cool. You live vicariously through your black friends, hang out at the hip hop clubs, play madden:lol, go to the barbershop to get a razor edge up and a fade; and you sit there quiet as a mouse, afraid to speak your mind because you don't want to loose your cool points. so you go online and let all that bigotry that you've been holding back come out.
see above

I bet if there was a discussion on this case in the black barbershop you frequent you wouldn't say shit:wakeup
No i think there are intelligent people of all races. Including blacks.

Frank Dux

06-13-2012, 12:59 PM

Not at all. It is probably true, but let the system decide. I would say that martin was a felony waiting to happen anyway.

Fact... Fight Club style video.

Fact... Multiple suspensions.

Fact... High at the time. Yes, it was found in his blood. It only remains in fatty tissue for long term.

Fact... Props from friends over threatening a bus driver, in the bus yard... a restricted area.

How many other things did you miss about your angelboy?

Missed these ones:

Fact...Domestic violence

Fact...Second domestic violence

Fact...Resisting arrest

Fact...Assault on police officer

Trill Clinton

06-13-2012, 01:01 PM

Nope. It's two doors down from a business i frequent. The owner of the barb shop and i drive the same exact car so we started rapping when he was out front taking a break.

I don't get my hair cut there. :rollin

see above

No i think there are intelligent people of all races. Including blacks.

oh so you and the barber are cool? next time the two of you decide to 'rap' ask him his thoughts on the Trayvon Martin case. Then come back and tell us how your conversation went:lol

Frank Dux

06-13-2012, 01:16 PM

Missed these ones:

Fact...Domestic violence

Fact...Second domestic violence

Fact...Resisting arrest

Fact...Assault on police officer

Zimmerman was a murder waiting to happen.

clambake

06-13-2012, 01:18 PM

and apparently the worlds shittiest bouncer.

clambake

06-13-2012, 03:10 PM

why does a bouncer need a gun against a 17 year old?

cantthinkofanything

06-13-2012, 03:14 PM

why does a bouncer need a gun against a 17 year old?

because the 17 year old was killing him

boutons_deux

06-13-2012, 03:23 PM

because the 17 year old was killing him

You Lie

the 17 year old was Standing His Ground against an armed, vigilante stalker.

Nbadan

06-13-2012, 03:38 PM

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- A judge says statements a former neighborhood watch leader made to detectives after he fatally shot 17-year-Trayvon Martin can be released to the public.

But Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester ruled Wednesday that the identities of witnesses who observed the fatal confrontation between Martin and George Zimmerman can stay private

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH_MEDIA_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=

This appears to be about a written order that says what he's already seemed to say in the hearing itself - that what GZ told the cops can be released to the media and public under Florida's sunshine laws.

The prosecution wanted these statements sealed. Why? The defense went along with the prosecution, seemingly. Why?

It's possible the statements are going to make it hard to get an impartial jury to hear the case. But who would benefit from that?

At the hearing, the judge allowed for 30 days to review and redact names and privacy information. I guess we will all find out soon.

clambake

06-13-2012, 04:01 PM

because the 17 year old was killing him

yes, that terrible scratch could get infected.

CosmicCowboy

06-13-2012, 04:07 PM

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more of the evidence.

TheSkeptic

06-13-2012, 05:25 PM

because the 17 year old was killing him

No stitches, no concussion, no ambulance, and possibly a broken nose that was documented the following day.

It's a miracle that Zimmerman's still alive to tell the story. :rolleyes

The_Worlds_finest

06-13-2012, 08:01 PM

No stitches, no concussion, no ambulance, and possibly a broken nose that was documented the following day.

It's a miracle that Zimmerman's still alive to tell the story. :rolleyes

Id bet money that POS broke his own nose.

spursncowboys

06-13-2012, 08:15 PM

NRA=KKK hiding in plain sight
:lmao

spursncowboys

06-13-2012, 08:17 PM

oh so you and the barber are cool? next time the two of you decide to 'rap' ask him his thoughts on the Trayvon Martin case. Then come back and tell us how your conversation went:lol
:lmao assuming a black guy is for trayvon cuz of his skin color, while calling someone else racist.

Trill Clinton

06-13-2012, 10:20 PM

^^^

haven't met a black person who is for zimmerman as of yet, have you? i'll answer for you, no you haven't. you probably never will because outside of you being a coward who is afraid to have a face to face discussion of this tragedy with a black person, you probably don't even haven't even done your research. you just want to make a mockery out of this young man's death. do me a favor and never quote me again.

clambake

06-14-2012, 12:42 AM

yall

TheSkeptic

06-14-2012, 02:16 AM

I apologize if this has been posted already, but it can't be good when the presiding judge says this while revoking your bail:

this is a serious charge for which life may be imposed; the evidence against him is strong; he has been charged with one prior crime, for which he went through a pre-trial diversion program, and has had an injunction lodged against him

as well as

Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process,

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-revoked-order-20120612_1_bond-decision-jailhouse-phone-george-zimmerman

:lol

But seriously, I'm wondering if the Murder 2 charge isn't going to hinge on a more technical aspect of the law.

I was deferring to the prosecution before while maintaining doubts on the charge but if the judge agrees that the evidence is strong, maybe there's something to it that I don't know about since I'm not an attorney.

All assuming the next infodump doesn't uncover anything new of course.

Wild Cobra

06-14-2012, 02:40 AM

I was deferring to the prosecution before while maintaining doubts on the charge but if the judge agrees that the evidence is strong, maybe there's something to it that I don't know about since I'm not an attorney.

If there is strong evidence that Zimmerman did commit a crime during Martin's death, nobody has released it yet.

clambake

06-14-2012, 10:39 AM

If there is strong evidence that Zimmerman did commit a crime during Martin's death, nobody has released it yet.

what are you talking about? i already told you that he profiled the kid, stalked him down, then killed him.

CosmicCowboy

06-14-2012, 10:42 AM

what are you talking about? i already told you that he profiled the kid, stalked him down, then killed him.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You act like you actually have credibility...:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

clambake

06-14-2012, 10:45 AM

red team support for a murdering liar.

thats delicious!

CosmicCowboy

06-14-2012, 10:50 AM

red team support for a murdering liar.

thats delicious!

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing more of the evidence.

GFY. You already have him tried and convicted without any evidence. I'm waiting to see more facts before I make up my mind one way or the other.

clambake

06-14-2012, 10:51 AM

GFY. You already have him tried and convicted without any evidence.

i did the same thing with "B girl"

looking to go 2-0!

Trill Clinton

06-14-2012, 11:12 AM

GFY. You already have him tried and convicted without any evidence. I'm waiting to see more facts before I make up my mind one way or the other.

lolsmh

you stating you're waiting to hear/see more evidence is the same as you believing that coward was justified. stop the bullshit and keep it real.

Creepn

06-14-2012, 11:23 AM

what are you talking about? i already told you that he profiled the kid, stalked him down, then killed him.

I hear you. Already enough evidence out there to label this man guilty. In fact, the evidence that is being withheld is probably even more damning towards Zimmerman anyway.

Creepn

06-14-2012, 11:25 AM

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lm
You act like you actually have credibility...:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

And Zimmerman is???? :lmao:lmao:lmao

TeyshaBlue

06-14-2012, 11:50 AM

I hear you. Already enough evidence out there to label this man guilty. In fact, the evidence that is being withheld is probably even more damning towards Zimmerman anyway.

Not your call, tbh unless you're in the jury pool.

TheSkeptic

06-14-2012, 12:28 PM

If there is strong evidence that Zimmerman did commit a crime during Martin's death, nobody has released it yet.

It clearly looks like Zimmerman was the aggressor and there's plenty of evidence that he's lied. But obviously we still haven't seen all the evidence that'll be available for trial.

Still, if the judge agrees that the evidence is strong for the charge of Murder 2 then it could be the case that there's an element of the law there that the rest of us don't understand.

As another aside, I read somewhere that the bullet went straight through the kid's body. That could be an indication that they were face to face when the trigger was pulled.

clambake

06-14-2012, 12:35 PM

i just hope the jury considers the parents.

not the martins, the zimmermans.

they need their house back!

TheSkeptic

06-14-2012, 12:42 PM

Did the evidence show a negative outcome on testing for Trayvon's DNA on the gun and holster? That would again be inconsistent with Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon reached for his gun and further reduce his credibility.

This case has had manslaughter written all over it from the getgo. Murder 2 always seemed like a reach and the injuries Zimmerman sustained will make it difficult for a jury to feel he met the "depraved indifference" element.

A Sanford Police Department volunteer actually trained Zimmerman and others in the neighborhood on neighborhood watch protocol in Fall 2011. This was done at Zimmerman's behest and the lady implored all attendees to not be armed and not confront suspicous people.

Sorry for the really late response.

From what I've read so far Trayvon's DNA/fingerprints weren't found on the gun. Not that I believed Zimmerman's story anyway...

Manslaughter is exactly what I was thinking as well, but what's given me pause is the fact that the presiding Judge feels the evidence is strong for Murder 2.

So now I'm probably going to wait until the trial to try and figure out whether or not the prosecution made the correct charge.

Wild Cobra

06-14-2012, 07:51 PM

what are you talking about? i already told you that he profiled the kid, stalked him down, then killed him.
Since when have I believed a single word out of your lying mouth?

clambake

06-15-2012, 12:16 AM

Since when have I believed a single word out of your lying mouth?

we paid to keep you alive.

show some respect.

djohn2oo8

06-18-2012, 11:51 AM

Audio recordings from phone calls Florida gunman George Zimmerman (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=George+Zimmerman) made while in jail in April were released Monday by Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey.

The six phone calls are part of the state's evidence alleging that Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, misled the court during an April bond hearing.

A judge released Zimmerman, who is charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February, on $150,000 bond after the Zimmermans testified they little money. But on the calls, George Zimmerman is heard coaching his wife and sister on how to move tens of thousands of dollars donated to his legal defense fund.
A
fter getting his wife access to transfer the funds, Zimmerman instructs her to pay off nearly all the couple's bills and to purchase bulletproof vests for her, him and his attorney.

"We need to get on it ASAP, cause you know the, the personally I want you wearing one," Zimmerman says from the Seminole County jail.

"Okay," she replies.

"As uncomfortable as it is, I want you wearing one," he says.

Zimmerman was ordered back to jail earlier this month when the judge learned of the money from the defense fund. His wife was charged with perjury related to her testimony about the family's finances.
(http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/zimmerman-wife-arrest-perjury-charges-210257372.html)
Below are links Reuters posted to the jailhouse audio files and transcripts of those calls. Come back to this post for more details on today's developments.

(http://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/sets/george-zimmerman-jail-house-1)
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-jailhouse-telephone-recordings-released-150859241.html

TeyshaBlue

06-18-2012, 11:51 AM

we paid to keep you alive.

show some respect.

:lmao

Trill Clinton

06-18-2012, 12:03 PM

im not surprised at those recordings. dude is delusional.

Creepn

06-18-2012, 01:05 PM

Man nobody is gonna shoot those dumb fat asses.

Oh wait this guy think he's gonna go free? Please.

Stringer_Bell

06-18-2012, 06:32 PM

Anybody knows when this shit is supposed to start? I wanna know what happens already...

DisAsTerBot

06-21-2012, 12:00 PM

lol sorry race-baiters

http://us.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?iref=obnetwork

zimmerman publicly advocated for justice for homeless black man beaten by white cop's son

clambake

06-21-2012, 12:01 PM

you'll see.

DisAsTerBot

06-21-2012, 12:11 PM

you'll see.

lol

good response. It has me thinking about the case from a whole new angle!

you're so entrenched i can barely see you anymore

clambake

06-21-2012, 12:13 PM

lol

good response. It has me thinking about the case from a whole new angle!

you're so entrenched i can barely see you anymore

thats because i used the money you sent me to buy camouflage.

DisAsTerBot

06-21-2012, 12:16 PM

thats because i used the money you sent me to buy camouflage.

wtf? I just know, that I don't know what happened. Take whichever side you wish, as you obviously have.

clambake

06-21-2012, 12:22 PM

wtf? I just know, that I don't know what happened. Take whichever side you wish, as you obviously have.

we all know the only fact so far is that george is a liar.

DisAsTerBot

06-21-2012, 12:32 PM

we all know the only fact so far is that george is a liar.

who isn't?

clambake

06-21-2012, 12:34 PM

i'm not. lying is for the weak.

DisAsTerBot

06-21-2012, 12:40 PM

i'm not. lying is for the weak.

im sure you've never lied. You are the perfect arm-chair judge/jury/executioner

clambake

06-21-2012, 12:42 PM

im sure you've never lied. You are the perfect arm-chair judge/jury/executioner

i never seek adulation. but thanks for noticing!

Trill Clinton

06-21-2012, 01:41 PM

lol sorry race-baiters

http://us.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?iref=obnetwork

zimmerman publicly advocated for justice for homeless black man beaten by white cop's son

really? that's pretty weak.

its the typical racist response of " I'm not racist, my ________ is black" FOH

when he has some actual factual black friends that come out to show public support for his bitch ass, he's still a lying bitch ass coward.

cantthinkofanything

06-21-2012, 01:44 PM

Trill Clinton

06-21-2012, 01:56 PM

Is the answer, "garbage man"?

lol it can be.

Frank Dux

06-21-2012, 03:30 PM

lol sorry race-baiters

http://us.cnn.com/2012/05/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?iref=obnetwork

zimmerman publicly advocated for justice for homeless black man beaten by white cop's son

Good for him, but he also got busted for assaulting a police officer. It makes me wonder. Is he is a champion, standing up for African Americans? Does he hate cops? Does he think he can do a better job than cops serving as a self-appointed neighborhood vigilante? What is his motivation?

Only Zimmerman knows the answers but there is one thing that is certain—the man has a documented history of violence.

clambake

06-21-2012, 03:31 PM

he also has a documented history of lying.

Capt Bringdown

06-22-2012, 02:16 AM

Eyes For Lies Deception Expert takes apart Zimmerman's video reenactment:

George Zimmerman's Reenactment: My Opinion (http://blog.eyesforlies.com)

Wild Cobra

06-22-2012, 05:22 AM

really? that's pretty weak.

its the typical racist response of " I'm not racist, my ________ is black" FOH

when he has some actual factual black friends that come out to show public support for his bitch ass, he's still a lying bitch ass coward.
You should look up the facts over that.

Really now... If a black guy stood up for Zimmerman, how many would be calling him a sellout, uncle Tom, or worse?

boutons_deux

06-22-2012, 05:57 AM

boutons_deux

06-22-2012, 05:57 AM

101A

06-22-2012, 09:33 AM

Z has been quoted by his friends as being obsessed with "young black males".

Armed, he profiled, stalked, confronted a black hoodie and murdered him. Then he lied to the court about his money and to US govt about replacing a lost passport.

I think Trayvon profiled GZ (didn't know his last name after all). Lots of people would get spooked if they had a Mexican following them down dark streets.

clambake

06-22-2012, 10:26 AM

I think Trayvon profiled GZ (didn't know his last name after all). Lots of people would get spooked if they had a Mexican following them down dark streets.

:lmao poor george!

Trill Clinton

06-22-2012, 01:16 PM

You should look up the facts over that.

Really now... If a black guy stood up for Zimmerman, how many would be calling him a sellout, uncle Tom, or worse?

The fact is, he doesn't have any black friends because he doesn't like black people. point. period. blank.

Frank Dux

06-22-2012, 01:18 PM

he also has a documented history of lying.

Yes, this is true. He is a liar, and has proven that he is willing to lie under oath.

Wild Cobra

06-22-2012, 03:59 PM

The fact is, he doesn't have any black friends because he doesn't like black people. point. period. blank.
Wow.

And you know this how?

CosmicCowboy

06-22-2012, 07:27 PM

Wheres Al Sharpton now?

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120621/ARTICLES/120629929/1177?p=1&tc=pg

FuzzyLumpkins

06-22-2012, 08:09 PM

You should look up the facts over that.

Really now... If a black guy stood up for Zimmerman, how many would be calling him a sellout, uncle Tom, or worse?

There have been even in these threads. Now point to me the Uncle Tom accusations.

TheSkeptic

06-22-2012, 08:11 PM

You should look up the facts over that.

Really now... If a black guy stood up for Zimmerman, how many would be calling him a sellout, uncle Tom, or worse?

Ah nvm. Fuzzy said it better.

TheSkeptic

06-22-2012, 08:13 PM

There have been even in these threads. Now point to me the Uncle Tom accusations.

So I was wondering, what do you make of this latest evidence?

CosmicCowboy

06-22-2012, 08:46 PM

So I was wondering, what do you make of this latest evidence?

Nothing to make of it. I know that blog was tearing him up on what he could and couldn't remember from that night but I gotta ask you...have you ever had your nose broken? I have, playing basketball and I can tell you that it's a game changer. I remember going up for the dunk, I remember seeing Mikes hand coming down on my face and I can guarantee you the next ten minutes were a fucking blur.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-22-2012, 09:19 PM

I have thought that Zimmerman will lie to stay out of trouble since the bail hearing.

I also find the autopsy that says he was shot through the ventricle which caused his lungs to be gorged with blood and Zimmerman's claim that Martin told him, "you go me" " I see you have a gun now" etc after he shot him do not jive.

Now if he did say those things either it was through a frothy gargle or he said that before he was shot. Maybe he never said it but I do not believe for a minute that Martin was talking to him like that after he was shot through the heart.

its difficult to know what to think because Zimmerman's account has to be viewed with suspicion from front to end because of his behavior.

jack sommerset

06-22-2012, 09:23 PM

CosmicCowboy

06-22-2012, 09:23 PM

Wild Cobra

06-22-2012, 09:40 PM

:lmao

and nobody gives a shit what you think...*LOLing at your feeble attempt at forensic analysis*
You have to remember. He uses Fuzzy Logic.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-22-2012, 09:45 PM

So I was wondering, what do you make of this latest evidence?

:lmao

and nobody gives a shit what you think...*LOLing at your feeble attempt at forensic analysis*

You drinking again, CC?

I would be interested to hear what a doctors take on the rate of blood flow into the lungs after a ventricle dumps into it. I do not know enough about anatomy to say for certain but it doesn't add up to me.

FuzzyLumpkins

06-22-2012, 09:46 PM

You have to remember. He uses Fuzzy Logic.

:cry

CYBER BULLY!

TheSkeptic

06-23-2012, 12:41 AM

Nothing to make of it. I know that blog was tearing him up on what he could and couldn't remember from that night but I gotta ask you...have you ever had your nose broken? I have, playing basketball and I can tell you that it's a game changer. I remember going up for the dunk, I remember seeing Mikes hand coming down on my face and I can guarantee you the next ten minutes were a fucking blur.

These were apparently taken at the police station:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_zimmerman_bloody_1_nt_120517_ssh.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_zimmerman_bloody_3_nt_120517_ssv.jpg

These were after he got arrested and put in prison later, presumably when his nose had some time to heal:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_george_zimmerman_04_nt_120412_ssv.jpg

General link:http://abcnews.go.com/US/slideshow/george-zimmerman-leaves-jail-16126443

It's a little bit tough because at the police station Zimmerman's holding his head at an angle that's just completely not straight plus it looks like he lost some weight around his face between the questioning and his arrest. Even then the lack of blood, the way it "healed", and the general look of it just don't convince me.

But anyway, based on the photos I'm not buying this idea that he was beaten within an inch of his life and since I don't trust his words, I'd want to see a medical report before I'd accept that his nose was completely broken to that extent.

His doctor (who he saw the next day) simply acknowledged the possibility and referred him to a specialist (who I don't think Zimmerman saw). From what I've read his next best bet would be to have an x-ray or a doctor showing a closed fracture but at that it'd be tough for him to prove that the kid was the one who did it at this stage since he didn't get it documented right away.

I could certainly buy that it was sore and bruised some but I also wonder if gun recoil isn't a possibility. That scratch looks like it's a little off to the side.

Looking at these photos as compared to the accounts Zimmerman gave to the police, I find it easier to believe that he exaggerated his injuries to be honest.

I have thought that Zimmerman will lie to stay out of trouble since the bail hearing.

I also find the autopsy that says he was shot through the ventricle which caused his lungs to be gorged with blood and Zimmerman's claim that Martin told him, "you go me" " I see you have a gun now" etc after he shot him do not jive.

Now if he did say those things either it was through a frothy gargle or he said that before he was shot. Maybe he never said it but I do not believe for a minute that Martin was talking to him like that after he was shot through the heart.

its difficult to know what to think because Zimmerman's account has to be viewed with suspicion from front to end because of his behavior.

I personally think he's guilty of a crime here and if I was on the jury I'd be a lot more comfortable voting Murder 2 than I was a few weeks ago. :D

I definitely get what you mean though. I'm thinking that this means the jury will have to disregard just about everything he says and look more at the physical evidence as well as the witness accounts imo. Though if he takes the stand I think the prosecution has enough to impeach him.

As an aside, I have to admit that I was completely wrong about the Sanford Police. Serino's a good detective and Singleton's an excellent interviewer as well. They both look like stereotypical cops too. :p:

clambake

06-23-2012, 02:23 PM

Wheres Al Sharpton now?

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120621/ARTICLES/120629929/1177?p=1&tc=pg

what should al be doing regarding this case?

Creepn

06-23-2012, 02:55 PM

Good for him, but he also got busted for assaulting a police officer. It makes me wonder. Is he is a champion, standing up for African Americans? Does he hate cops? Does he think he can do a better job than cops serving as a self-appointed neighborhood vigilante? What is his motivation?

Only Zimmerman knows the answers but there is one thing that is certain—the man has a documented history of violence.

Yes, he thinks he can do better. I read in an article that since he aspired to be a cop, he was able to go on a ride around with some officers throughout the day. After the ride around he said that he was disgusted by how they work and how lazy they were. I'm on a phone so I can't post a link right now but it's there.

Creepn

06-23-2012, 03:37 PM

Eyes For Lies Deception Expert takes apart Zimmerman's video reenactment:

George Zimmerman's Reenactment: My Opinion (http://blog.eyesforlies.com)

Very nice breakdown. A lot of us pointed out these incnsistencies and got ridiculed for it.

mavs>spurs

06-26-2012, 02:49 PM

:lol

George Zimmerman Passed Police Lie Detector Test Day After Trayvon Martin Killing
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A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether he feared for his life “when you shot the guy,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.

According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA) “truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”

Zimmerman, the report noted, “was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”

Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered, “No.” He was also asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.”

Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/george-zimmerman-lie-detector-421395

clambake

06-26-2012, 03:21 PM

defective lie detector.

you know how i know?

he's a confirmed liar. and he's goin down!

Wild Cobra

06-26-2012, 03:34 PM

defective lie detector.

you know how i know?

he's a confirmed liar. and he's goin down!
You are also a confirmed liar. I guess that means, the next time someone accuses of something you say isn't true, must be true!

clambake

06-26-2012, 03:41 PM

You are also a confirmed liar. I guess that means, the next time someone accuses of something you say isn't true, must be true!

what did i lie about?

be specific.

DisAsTerBot

06-26-2012, 03:43 PM

defective lie detector.

you know how i know?

he's a confirmed liar. and he's goin down!

got damn you are pathetic.

i know you're really into the whole red vs blue team thing, but really both sides are fucking retarded. Don't be a follower.

CosmicCowboy

06-26-2012, 03:48 PM

what did i lie about?

be specific.

One that quickly comes to mind is your continued insistence that Zimmerman stalked Martin when it has been pointed out multiple times to you that by definition what Zimmerman did was not stalking.

clambake

06-26-2012, 03:48 PM

you think this is political? if so, you're blinded by a team.

clambake

06-26-2012, 03:50 PM

One that quickly comes to mind is your continued insistence that Zimmerman stalked Martin when it has been pointed out multiple times to you that by definition what Zimmerman did was not stalking.

has it escaped your attention that i predict he will be guilty of profiling the kid?

hence the cause for stalking?

CosmicCowboy

06-26-2012, 03:52 PM

has it escaped your attention that i predict he will be guilty of profiling the kid?

hence the cause for stalking?

:lol

following the kid one time is not stalking by any definition.

clambake

06-26-2012, 03:52 PM

i told all you lazy mental fucks the same thing when you were slobbering all over "BO face girl"

Creepn

06-26-2012, 03:52 PM

That report is bullshit. You believe a lie so much to justify your actions, it can become truth for you.

OF COURSE, if someone is kicking you're ass, you're going to be scared. Bullshit questions.

Wild Cobra

06-26-2012, 03:54 PM

you think this is political? if so, you're blinded by a team.
I don't think you are as political as you are retarded. I guess I should be nicer to our special needs posters.

clambake

06-26-2012, 04:00 PM

i paid to keep you alive.

show some respect

Wild Cobra

06-26-2012, 04:09 PM

i paid to keep you alive.
LOL...

Another lie...

DisAsTerBot

06-26-2012, 04:13 PM

That report is bullshit. You believe a lie so much to justify your actions, it can become truth for you.

OF COURSE, if someone is kicking you're ass, you're going to be scared. Bullshit questions.

lololol at you thinking you can beat a lie detector test

Facts and tests!!?!?!? That shit is racist bullshit!! /blue font

clambake

06-26-2012, 04:13 PM

LOL...

Another lie...

where do you think welfare comes from? the sky?

clambake

06-26-2012, 04:26 PM

One that quickly comes to mind is your continued insistence that Zimmerman stalked Martin when it has been pointed out multiple times to you that by definition what Zimmerman did was not stalking.

by the way, cowboy, you don't know if this was the first time.

you're taking the word of a confirmed liar.

CosmicCowboy

06-26-2012, 04:31 PM

by the way, cowboy, you don't know if this was the first time.

you're taking the word of a confirmed liar.

:lmao

Please provide ANY supporting documentation that Zimmerman had followed Martin before that night.

I really can't believe some of the crap you spew out.

Blake

06-26-2012, 04:34 PM

Passing the lie detector test is good for Zimmerman.

The police report here...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/06/george-zimmerman-passed-first-lie-detector-test-after-shooting/1

.....says he had what looked to be a broken nose.

Seems to me to be a slam dunk for the defense attorney.

clambake

06-26-2012, 04:35 PM

:lmao

Please provide ANY supporting documentation that Zimmerman had followed Martin before that night.

I really can't believe some of the crap you spew out.

i know this guy. he stalked him down! book it!

Creepn

06-26-2012, 04:43 PM

lololol at you thinking you can beat a lie detector test

Facts and tests!!?!?!? That shit is racist bullshit!! /blue font

Why do you think they are not admissible in court?

DarrinS

06-26-2012, 05:21 PM

Obviously, those who administered the lie detector tests are racists. There's no other explanation.

Sincerely,

Al S.

DarrinS

06-26-2012, 05:33 PM

Why are some people so personally invested in this guy's guilt? Just curious.

mavs>spurs

06-26-2012, 05:41 PM

got damn you are pathetic.

i know you're really into the whole red vs blue team thing, but really both sides are fucking retarded. Don't be a follower.

:lmao

clambake

06-26-2012, 05:42 PM

Why are some people so personally invested in this guy's guilt? Just curious.

its not like that at all.

mavs>spurs

06-26-2012, 05:45 PM

its not like that at all.

:lmao self hating white liberal taking the "i'm not racist :cry i swear!" route par per etc

clambake

06-26-2012, 06:17 PM

:lmao self hating white liberal taking the "i'm not racist :cry i swear!" route par per etc

he didn't say anything about race.

you're not very bright.

mavs>spurs

06-26-2012, 06:24 PM

think again about who here is dense.

i'm answering his question about why you have such a vested interest in this. you're a self loathing white liberal and you have it written all over :rollin

clambake

06-26-2012, 06:27 PM

think again about who here is dense.

i'm answering his question about why you have such a vested interest in this. you're a self loathing white liberal and you have it written all over :rollin

like i said, you're not very bright. you've shown that before.

Creepn

06-26-2012, 07:46 PM

The CEO of the company that makes the "lie detector" admits that it does not catch lies or truth.

http://axiomamnesia.com/2012/06/26/zimmermans-lie-detector-results-deception-indicated-lie-too/

0diggLuck_The_Fakers_Today, the Florida State Attorney’s Office releasedLuck_The_Fakers_a version of Sanford Police Department’s original reportLuck_The_Fakers_in the Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case, which includes additional information that was previously redacted in other versions. One highlight of this report is the results of the Computerized Voice Stressed Analysis (CVSA) test, which is basically a “lie detector” or polygraph test that George Zimmerman took on 2/27/2012.During the test, Investigator W. Erwin asked George Zimmerman to answer two relevant questions regarding the night he killed Trayvon Martin:ERWIN:Luck_The_Fakers_Did you confront the guy you shot?ZIMMERMAN:Luck_The_Fakers_No.ERWIN:Luck_The_F akers_Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?ZIMMERMAN:Luck_The_Fakers_Yes.According to the results of the test, deception in Zimmerman’s answers was “not indicated.” In other words, he passed the “lie detector” test according to their standards that is.We weren’t satisfied with the notion that Zimmerman was asked two simple questions and was declared to be telling the truth by Sanford Police department. So, we decided to do a little research of our own, and you might be surprised by what we found.

The first thing that you need to understand is that these tests are generally used to sway the public, due to their faith and acceptance of flawed and unscientific techniques.For instance, the actual type of test George Zimmerman took was a Zone of Comparison (ZOC) Polygraph on a piece of equipment manufactured by the National Institue for Truth Verification (NITV). According to their website, “The NITV® is the manufacturer and sole source for the patented Computer Voice Stress Analyzer® II with the Final Analysis Confirmation Tool® (FACT®) scoring algorithm.” The goal is to sway people into having faith in their “scientific” methods, such that they would consider any results from the device as credible.In fact, it can’t really be said that George Zimmerman passed his lie detector test. The so-called test is backed by no scientific finding. The test that Zimmerman would have passed was the Sanford Police Department test. “Deception: Not Indicated” after answering questions in a way to support self-defense claims only serve as a way for the, then Bill Lee’s, police department to release Zimmerman without charge.The only thing Sanford police wanted were “the right” answers. Knowing that such tests reveal no truth or accuracy, the analysis was used to determine whether or not George Zimmerman would respond to the two revelant questions with “no” and “yes.”Watch Investigator Erwin administer the test at the 59 minute mark in the following video:

Even NITV chairman and CEO, “Dr.” Charles Humble admits his corporation’s CSVA hasn’t been proven affective by any independent scientific study. Back in a 2006 ABC interview, he stated, “I don’t believe there has been an independent scientific study that shows that this actually works.”That’s right! They don’t even know that the machine actually works, yet they are making money hand over fist selling this device to police departments all over the country and abroad. Don’t believe us? Well, watch Charles Humble, the company’s CEO, saying it in this ABC interview:And, to make matters worse, another top executive from the companyLuck_The_Fakers_admitted during a deposition–under oath–that that the machine is not capable of detecting truth or lies.The test administered to George Zimmerman is supposed to measure his level of stress when lying and telling the truth to control questions. Then, those measurements are compared to his answers to the only two relevelant questions surrounding the death of Trayvon Martin. However, detecting motor indicators of the existence or absense of stress is not an exact science. No connection can be made, or has been made, between stress and motor functions of speech. Thus, no leap can be made from stress to a computer through speech, and certainly not from truth/lies to a computer.In 2002, a similar conclusion was reached by researchers Darren Haddad, Sharon Walter, Roy Ratley, and Megan Smith of the Air Force Research Laboratory in Rome, NY:“…a variety of factors could influence the presence or absence of the microtremors, which are claimed to exist in our muscle control during speech production. It is clearly unlikely that a single measure such as that based on the CVSA, could be universally successful in assessing stress (such as that which might be experienced during the act of deception).”Source:Luck_The_Fakers_Page 71 Investigation and Evaluation of Voice Stress Analysis Technology

Humble’s company is simply in the business of selling a tool for investigators to use to illicit a reaction from interrogated persons. Neither NITV nor police and criminal agencies around the world expect such voice analysis to accurately tell whether or not anyone is telling the truth.In no way does this bootleg law enforcement tool give credence to George Zimmerman’s lies. It certainly does not vidicate Zimmerman of the murder of an unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. So yes, the test results say that deception was “not indicated” on Zimmerman’s two responses, but what difference does that make when the test is a lie too?!?And, as an aside, if police forces are using this tool to exonerate folks regardless of its validity, how plausible is it, then, that they are using it to incriminate innocent people? Yeah, this is some BS…

clambake

06-26-2012, 07:55 PM

even if the test said he was deceptive, it can't be trusted.

Creepn

06-26-2012, 07:58 PM

even if the test said he was deceptive, it can't be trusted.

Yup.

Wonder how many murderers got off by using this fake thing. Just pathetic.

Blake

06-26-2012, 08:14 PM

even if the test said he was deceptive, it can't be trusted.

which in this case would be awkward/hilarious for the state to argue.

clambake

06-26-2012, 08:17 PM

i don't know if the state will argue that. he's been caught lying already, along with his wife.

prosecution and defense should probably stay away from the test.

Blake

06-26-2012, 08:22 PM

i don't know if the state will argue that. he's been caught lying already, along with his wife.

prosecution and defense should probably stay away from the test.

I misread what you wrote. You're right, even if the test said he was deceptive it can't be trusted.

Defense will probably play it up though, imo. All the jury needs is reasonable doubt.

clambake

06-26-2012, 08:23 PM

true, and its already reasonable that he is a liar.

Creepn

06-26-2012, 08:26 PM

I dare the defense to use it. Then you can call the CEO to the stand and it's game over bitches.

clambake

06-26-2012, 08:27 PM

I dare the defense to use it. Then you can call the CEO to the stand and it's game over bitches.

i wouldn't dare call that CEO to the stand.

Blake

06-26-2012, 08:43 PM

true, and its already reasonable that he is a liar.

It's reasonable that we all lie, but when he was asked about that night in particular, the machine that the enforcement officials used said he didn't lie.

That's huge.

Blake

06-26-2012, 08:45 PM

I dare the defense to use it. Then you can call the CEO to the stand and it's game over bitches.

I can almost guarantee the defense uses it.

CEO of what?

clambake

06-26-2012, 08:51 PM

It's reasonable that we all lie, but when he was asked about that night in particular, the machine that the enforcement officials used said he didn't lie.

That's huge.

he also said he was afraid while sitting in daddy's truck, yet he got out to follow him.

defense should stay away from the lie test. so should the prosecution.

Blake

06-26-2012, 08:59 PM

he also said he was afraid while sitting in daddy's truck, yet he got out to follow him.

defense should stay away from the lie test. so should the prosecution.

Prosecution has no reason to use it.

Why would the defense want to stay away from using it?

Creepn

06-26-2012, 09:08 PM

i wouldn't dare call that CEO to the stand.

Why not? He already publicly stated that the lie detector has not been proven to work.

clambake

06-26-2012, 10:01 PM

Prosecution has no reason to use it.

Why would the defense want to stay away from using it?
because results only prove a false positive. inadmissible as evidence. the prosecutor could ask if he was hooked up to one when he lied to the court.

Why not? He already publicly stated that the lie detector has not been proven to work.
CEO's like to sell their product, even if the courts don't allow their results.

Blake

06-26-2012, 11:12 PM

because results only prove a false positive. inadmissible as evidence. the prosecutor could ask if he was hooked up to one when he lied to the court.

It's admissible at the court's discretion.

At this point, tbh, it might not even be worth the effort to even try to get it admitted.

Blake

06-26-2012, 11:14 PM

I think of note the question is, why would a guilty person agree to take a lie detector test before he's even had a chance to talk with counsel.

Creepn

06-26-2012, 11:31 PM

Daddy judge taught him well and he listened.

Blake

06-26-2012, 11:56 PM

Daddy judge taught him well and he listened.

hearsay

clambake

06-27-2012, 12:26 AM

It's admissible at the court's discretion.

At this point, tbh, it might not even be worth the effort to even try to get it admitted.

if you're the defense, your client has already lied to the court, along with george's wife.

it would be best for the defense to avoid anything with the word "lie" in it.

clambake

06-27-2012, 12:31 AM

I think of note the question is, why would a guilty person agree to take a lie detector test before he's even had a chance to talk with counsel.

take a closer look at george. he lives a miserable life, lives with mom and dad, has nothing he's earned himself, has a checkered history, and lives vicariously through the only power trip he could attain.

Nbadan

06-27-2012, 03:03 AM

Sanford police: Zimmerman passed up two chances to talk to Trayvon
4:16 p.m. EST, June 26, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

Just-released documents show that Sanford police didn't believe everything murder defendant George Zimmerman told them about what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin but they had no evidence to disprove his self-defense claim.

"Investigative findings show the physical injuries displayed by George Michael Zimmerman were marginally consistent with a life-threatening episode as described by him," wrote police Investigator Chris Serino.

Still, Serino in that report faulted Zimmerman for twice passing up the chance to tell the 17-year-old that he was a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, something that may well have defused the situation.

The paperwork also reveals that Sanford police concluded that Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted but later denied.

Read more: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

I'm gonna stand my ground no matter how far I have to chase you? WTF?

Blake

06-27-2012, 08:28 AM

take a closer look at george.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE83O18H20120425?irpc=932

CosmicCowboy

06-27-2012, 09:08 AM

take a closer look at clambake. he lives a miserable life, lives with mom and dad, has nothing he's earned himself, has a checkered history, and lives vicariously through the only power trip he could attain, making an ass of himself on Spurstalk.

clambake

06-27-2012, 09:11 AM

yes, some very glowing descriptions, wouldn't you say?

clambake

06-27-2012, 09:13 AM

paranoid cowboy, shouldn't you be spending more time doomsday prepping your militia compound just south of sommerset? :lol

Blake

06-27-2012, 09:21 AM

yes, some very glowing descriptions, wouldn't you say?

A lot of glowing descriptions for the defense team to use, imo.

Trill Clinton

06-27-2012, 09:22 AM

paranoid cowboy, shouldn't you be spending more time doomsday prepping your militia compound just south of sommerset? :lol

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Creepn

06-27-2012, 09:32 AM

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE83O18H20120425?irpc=932

I have to say, that was a good article. Martin was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was there at the precise moment where George was so angry that he failed to stop burglaries as a captain prior to the shooting that he wasn't going to let it happen again. Because the burglaries were done by black males, he profiled Martin. He figured his assessment was right because he spotted other suspicious activity prior to the shooting but failed to stop it when he was actually right about them.

clambake

06-27-2012, 10:17 AM

also, the article failed to mention that george is the shittiest bouncer that ever lived.

28 years old and can't handle a 17 year old.

Blake

06-27-2012, 10:22 AM

also, the article failed to mention that george is the shittiest bouncer that ever lived.

28 years old and can't handle a 17 year old.

It's not at all possible that a 17 year old can knock a 28 year old down, get on top and start hitting him?

clambake

06-27-2012, 10:25 AM

i just said he's the worlds shittiest bouncer.

couple of scratches. please

Agloco

06-27-2012, 10:30 AM

Sanford police: Zimmerman passed up two chances to talk to Trayvon
4:16 p.m. EST, June 26, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

Read more: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

I'm gonna stand my ground no matter how far I have to chase you? WTF?

:tu

CNN also has this bit:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/27/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman failed to identify himself twice during a confrontation with Trayvon Martin and missed opportunities to defuse the situation that led to the death of the teen, a detective says in a newly released report.

Agree with the WTF. I've said from the beginning that Z showed negligent behavior by not recognizing opportunities to diffuse the situation. Those were opportunities, that I feel, any calm level-headed person would have seen and acted on.

Shameful.

clambake

06-27-2012, 10:50 AM

never entered his mind.

Blake

06-27-2012, 11:00 AM

i just said he's the worlds shittiest bouncer.

couple of scratches. please

his failure of being a bouncer is irrelevant since he wasn't trying to physically bounce Martin out of the neighborhood.

After striking the undercover cop in the nightclub, among other things, it's possible he learned a legal lesson about being the aggressor.

clambake

06-27-2012, 11:13 AM

its also possible that he lied about what happened.

we know he's a liar. so is his wife.

Fabbs

06-27-2012, 11:38 AM

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE83O18H20120425?irpc=932
Shoots down a lot of the sterotypes the Zim Haters keep spouting.

Spin: He be rogue, acting on his own.
Article: "If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

Spin: He be jus a sekurity guard drop out cop wannabe.
Article: "Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred."

So many things went wrong in that neighborhood, i think it was the combo that had Zim snap.

"Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away."

Not to mention the two thugs going into the mother and infants condo. :depressed The bike stolen off Zims porch. Etc etc.

DisAsTerBot

06-27-2012, 11:45 AM

Shoots down a lot of the sterotypes the Zim Haters keep spouting.

Spin: He be rogue, acting on his own.
Article: "If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

Spin: He be jus a sekurity guard drop out cop wannabe.
Article: "Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred."

So many things went wrong in that neighborhood, i think it was the combo that had Zim snap.

"Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away."

Not to mention the two thugs going into the mother and infants condo. :depressed The bike stolen off Zims porch. Etc etc.

what?!?!?!? an entrenched poster considering ALL the circumstances???!!!

:wakeup

Blake

06-27-2012, 11:50 AM

its also possible that he lied about what happened.

we know he's a liar. so is his wife.

We know everyone lies at some time or another. His wife is irrelevant.

It's possible he's telling the truth.

Creepn

06-27-2012, 11:53 AM

what?!?!?!? an entrenched poster considering ALL the circumstances???!!!

:wakeup

Burgess got away at first but because of following protocols, they were able to arrest and retrieve the stuff. Nice try.:wakeup

Frank Dux

06-27-2012, 11:59 AM

George Zimmerman Bullied Former Colleague, Complaint Says

One of George Zimmerman (http://gma.yahoo.com/US/george-zimmermans-reenactment-trayvon-martin-shooting/story;_ylt=At6oh5fDd4QrAcbVHtzTnjmxn.R_;_ylu=X3oDM TFpZWRtYTlpBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlQm9keQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWV kaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDMTM2OWZnMm5 xBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNjZlMTYyZTUtN TYzOS0zMGMwLWEwYzQtNWYxOTY3ODRhMjU5BHBzdGNhdANlbnR lcnRhaW5tZW50fGJvb2tzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3?id=16616864)'s former colleagues at CarMax, where he worked in 2008, complained formally about the man who killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin (http://gma.yahoo.com/US/george-zimmerman-ordered-back-jail/story;_ylt=AlERUFhvFDDacu9DcdnBajyxn.R_;_ylu=X3oDM TFpZmo5MHVmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlQm9keQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDTWV kaWFBcnRpY2xlQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDMTM2OWZnMm5 xBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNjZlMTYyZTUtN TYzOS0zMGMwLWEwYzQtNWYxOTY3ODRhMjU5BHBzdGNhdANlbnR lcnRhaW5tZW50fGJvb2tzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3?id=16481046), alleging serial hazing that lasted for months and included pranks and ethnic jokes.

When the salesman complained to management, Zimmerman denied the harassment.

"The guy was so convincing when he was confronted by management to the point where I doubted my own self. I would not be surprised if he got away with it [Martin murder accusation]."

"He's got, like you say, a good poker face. Great poker face," said the colleague. "That pretty much summarizes this guy's personality. Great poker face."

Continue reading here:

http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-bullied-former-colleague-complaint-says-073851747--abc-news-topstories.html

Creepn

06-27-2012, 12:10 PM

Shoots down a lot of the sterotypes the Zim Haters keep spouting.

Spin: He be rogue, acting on his own.
Article: "If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

Spin: He be jus a sekurity guard drop out cop wannabe.
Article: "Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred."

So many things went wrong in that neighborhood, i think it was the combo that had Zim snap.

"Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

[]The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.[/B]"

Not to mention the two thugs going into the mother and infants condo. :depressed The bike stolen off Zims porch. Etc etc.

By saying he snapped you just gave your boy a motive for murder and I agree with this motive of yours.

Trill Clinton

06-27-2012, 12:30 PM

Burgess got away at first but because of following protocols, they were able to arrest and retrieve the stuff. Nice try.:wakeup

:toast

Blake

06-27-2012, 12:45 PM

By saying he snapped you just gave your boy a motive for murder and I agree with this motive of yours.

Not really

elbamba

06-27-2012, 12:54 PM

Agree with the WTF. I've said from the beginning that Z showed negligent behavior by not recognizing opportunities to diffuse the situation. Those were opportunities, that I feel, any calm level-headed person would have seen and acted on.

You may be right but I believe the appropriate standard is: Did Zimmerman act like a reasonably prudent person would act in a similar circumstance?

The standard is not calm level-headed for negligence. This is an important distinction.

Fabbs

06-27-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Creepn

Burgess got away at first but because of following protocols, they were able to arrest and retrieve the stuff. Nice try.

:toast
Wild guess. During the OJ Simpson criminal trial you two were pounding the table proclaiming his innocence and leapt for joy along with Johny Cockroach (woops that bein racial) and F. Lie Bailey when Simpson skated?

Then, after a legit trial, the criminal trial which exposed Simpson as the absolute killer/co killer you two went silent?

elbamba

06-27-2012, 12:55 PM

its also possible that he lied about what happened.

we know he's a liar. so is his wife.

Could be, but if the prosecutor doesn't meet its burden Zimmerman will not have to testify so his integrity will not be an issues in the trial or SYG hearing.

Trill Clinton

06-27-2012, 12:57 PM