Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What about the truthseekers?


It appears our young black brother was high on drugs the night he attacked Zimmerman

We don't even know the prosecution's case yet. Given the information we have now there is certainly reasonable doubt but only one side has tried trying the case in the court of public opinion. The other is trying to get it sealed.

Declarative statements do not change that.

[jack sommerset]

Yes my brother,let it out, let it all out. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

What do you think marijuana does to you, jack?

[elbamba]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0517/Trayvon-Martin-case-new-documents-paint-complicated-picture

I don't see how any of that helps the prosecution.

[jack sommerset]

What do you think marijuana does to you, jack?

Paranoia for one. God bless you my brother. I hope all is well. I do set a side a prayer for you ever so often. God bless

[Wild Cobra]

I feel your pain. So many of you want to find someone to blame for this untimely death of our young brother. There is more than enough evidence that will clear the Zimmermans path to freedom. You will need to accept that. Fact is, they found drugs in his blood. That does not Bold well for the revenge seekers. God bless


"Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
I wonder how high he was. THC dissipates from the blood quickly, stays in the fatty tissues. Is this case still going to forward? What a fucking waste of time for the justice system when there are real cases to be tried.


Now that that’s out-of-the-way more info is coming out on Martin’s autopsy and it clearly doesn’t look good for the false picture painted of this innocent young boy who was hunted down and murdered. No instead we learned the only wounds he had were cut up knuckles more than likely as a result of pummeling Zimmerman. The new report also indicates Trayvon also had traces of THC in his blood & urine from the marijuana use.

Most important revaluation from the autopsy report is the bullet wound would have come from a distance of 1 to 18 inches apart between Zimmerman and Martin.

Autopsy Reports Trayvon Martin Had Drugs in System (http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/tag/travon-martin-shooting/)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't see how any of that helps the prosecution.

I only put up an excerpt.

[ChumpDumper]

Paranoia for one.Yeah, it's not like a guy with a gun was stalking him or anything....

[jack sommerset]

Yeah, it's not like a guy with a gun was stalking him or anything....

I agree my brother. I think we agree more than we disagree lately. My prayers are being answered with reward. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

I agree my brother. I think we agree more than we disagree lately. My prayers are being answered with reward. God blessSo you agree whether he had marijuana in his system has no bearing whatsoever on this trial.

Stop with the phony blessing schtick.

[TheSkeptic]

So you agree whether he had marijuana in his system has no bearing whatsoever on this trial.

Stop with the phony blessing schtick.

I haven't taken marijuana in my life but my friends who have said that it doesn't actually make you more aggressive/paranoid like a hard drug might. Just hungrier, more melancholy, and in some cases hornier. Like I said, I have no understanding of that whatsoever but in even if he was high (which I kind of doubt) off of marijuana at the time would that really have made him so dangerous Zimmerman had to follow him?

And at that, I thought I saw something about the bullet being shot from intermediate range. Depending on the precise distance wouldn't that also mean that Zimmerman's lying about how he shot Trayvon?

Plus there's the evidence the defence has been trying to seal. Is that out yet?

[Wild Cobra]

I haven't taken marijuana in my life but my friends who have said that it doesn't actually make you more aggressive/paranoid like a hard drug might. Just hungrier, more melancholy, and in some cases hornier. Like I said, I have no understanding of that whatsoever but in even if he was high (which I kind of doubt) off of marijuana at the time would that really have made him so dangerous Zimmerman had to follow him?

And at that, I thought I saw something about the bullet being shot from intermediate range. Depending on the precise distance wouldn't that also mean that Zimmerman's lying about how he shot Trayvon?

Plus there's the evidence the defence has been trying to seal. Is that out yet?
I've been around it since the 70's. It affects people differently. Some get paranoid, some more laughable, some more aggressive. My ex wife had a panic attack the only time she ever took it. I get quiet and docile, and the only time I use it is before bed as a sleeping aid when I'm all wound up and can't sleep. I hear it's real bad for people who are bipolar, and I have seen this first hand with two people. When they are in the angry state they are very angry and very aggressive.

[jack sommerset]

So you agree whether he had marijuana in his system has no bearing whatsoever on this trial.

Stop with the phony blessing schtick.

You are a confused soul. I wish I had more time to spend here but I don't. I won't re-discuss each post/topics with you. It's a waste of both of our times. We agreed the Zimmerman didn't stalk Martin. Instead I will offer you a reading. The language of letting go: hazelden mediation It's about taking responsibility for ones own pain and how to heal from the pain you cause yourself. God Bless

[boutons_deux]

"We agreed the Zimmerman didn't stalk Martin"

You Lie. Bully, dickless, violent, armed Z stalked and confronted M, then shot him to death when M Stood His Ground.

[jack sommerset]

"We agreed the Zimmerman didn't stalk Martin"

You Lie. Bully, dickless, violent, armed Z stalked and confronted M, then shot him to death when M Stood His Ground.

I wish I could hug you. God bless

[boutons_deux]

Witness Says George Zimmerman Repeatedly Bullied Him At Work, Targeted Him With Racist Jokes

um on May 18, 2012 at 9:15 am

Among the evidence in the Trayvon Martin case released by the Florida state prosecutor yesterday was a 15-minute interview with a former work collegue of George Zimmerman. The man, who is not identified by name, says that Zimmerman relentlessly bullied him at work.

Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”

um on May 18, 2012 at 9:15 am

Among the evidence in the Trayvon Martin case released by the Florida state prosecutor yesterday was a 15-minute interview with a former work collegue of George Zimmerman. The man, who is not identified by name, says that Zimmerman relentlessly bullied him at work.

Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”

Listen:

After a few months, Zimmerman was terminated. According to the witness, “he was fired for calling HR hotline so many times…he would complain about each and every manager and employee.”

Zimmerman is currently being investigated by the FBI, who reportedly may charge him with a hate crime.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/18/486523/audio-witness-says-george-zimmerman-repeatedly-bullied-him-at-work-targeted-him-with-racist-jokes/

[boutons_deux]

i wish i could hug you. God bless

g f y

[clambake]

maybe george took the money to buy facebook stock.

[boutons_deux]

a police report by the original investigator, saying that Zimmerman should be arrested and charged with manslaughter because “the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/17/prosecutors-release-new-evidence-in-george-zimmerman-shooting-case.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=cheatsheet_morning&cid=newsletter%3Bemail%3Bcheatsheet_morning&utm_term=Cheat%20Sheet

[CosmicCowboy]

Bottom line is that Zimmerman didn't break any laws by following Martin.

[clambake]

Bottom line is that Zimmerman didn't break any laws by following Martin.

once his intent is revealed, it will be clear that he stalked this kid.

but like i said, this is florida and his name is zimmerman.

[ChumpDumper]

We agreed the Zimmerman didn't stalk Martin.That is a lie.
Instead I will offer you a reading. The language of letting go: hazelden mediation It's about taking responsibility for ones own pain and how to heal from the pain you cause yourself. God BlessI'm sorry you caused yourself so much pain.

Stop lying. That might help you.

[DarrinS]

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That is a lie.I'm sorry you caused yourself so much pain.

Stop lying. That might help you.

I am pretty sure his god hates liars too.

[TheSkeptic]

I've been around it since the 70's. It affects people differently. Some get paranoid, some more laughable, some more aggressive. My ex wife had a panic attack the only time she ever took it. I get quiet and docile, and the only time I use it is before bed as a sleeping aid when I'm all wound up and can't sleep. I hear it's real bad for people who are bipolar, and I have seen this first hand with two people. When they are in the angry state they are very angry and very aggressive.

The 70's huh? Ok thanks.

[z0sa]

"We agreed the Zimmerman didn't stalk Martin"

You Lie. Bully, dickless, violent, armed Z stalked and confronted M, then shot him to death when M Stood His Ground.

remember when you were saying this was a hate crime by a white guy :lol

[boutons_deux]

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903

yep, just Standing His Florida Ground. Black guys can play, too.

[Creepn]

Zimmerman racially profiling the kid should be just as agreeable as Martin giving him a little whooping.

[Creepn]

remember when you were saying this was a hate crime by a white guy :lol

If he's not white then what is he?

[TheSkeptic]

If he's not white then what is he?

I believe he's Hispanic (which I guess doesn't prevent him from being white) but he doesn't look fully white to me. Isn't his mother South American?

[Creepn]

I believe he's Hispanic (which I guess doesn't prevent him from being white) but he doesn't look fully white to me. Isn't his mother South American?

Hispanic is not a race.

[TheSkeptic]

Hispanic is not a race.

I know. That's why I said being Hispanic wouldn't necessarily mean he wasn't white.

[Fabbs]

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903
Game set match?

I don't see how the prosecution is going to overcome this.
Altho that same Florida prosecuter snatch managed to get 20 years for the gal who fired the warning shot against her abusive ape baby daddy.

[ChumpDumper]

lol MMA

[Creepn]

Game set match?

I don't see how the prosecution is going to overcome this.
Altho that same Florida prosecuter snatch managed to get 20 years for the gal who fired the warning shot against her abusive ape baby daddy.

Yup you're definitely the type of people who supports Zimmerman.

[TheSkeptic]

lol MMA

Yeah...that was a tough sell. Frankly I'm not sure if anyone disputes that a fight took place. And in any case Trayvon had a right defend himself under the circumstances. Especially if it was just a laceration on his ring finger.

What I can't get over is the fact that apparently the gun was fired from an intermediate distance. That thoroughly debunks the "headbashing into the concrete (:lol)--> Shot him while he was on top of me" defense.

According to this website:

"An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition."

http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distanceResults.htm

Regardless of what happened during the fight (which I have no doubt happened), if the kid was shot from that kind of distance he was no longer a threat by the time Zimmerman pulled the trigger imo. I think taking this guy to court was absolutely the right thing to do here.

Edit in response to Chump: Yeah. That's what makes this whole situation even harder to accept.

[Fabbs]

Yup you're definitely the type of people who supports Zimmerman.
:lol 2/10 on your strawman attempt.

Your troll schtick is Al Sharpy type, right?
You haven't weighed in on the abusive ape thread yet:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197101

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah...that was a tough sell. Frankly I'm not sure if anyone disputes that a fight took place.That and people responded and cops were on the way.

[Creepn]

:lol 2/10 on your strawman attempt.

Your troll schtick is Al Sharpy type, right?
You haven't weighed in on the abusive ape thread yet:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197101

It's not a schtick. I simply just respond to racist comments. If there weren't any racist comments then I wouldn't seem so Al Sharpy. Simple as that.

Anyway I already commented on the story, just not in your thread. It would be fucked up if she's able to get her 20 years and Zimmerman gets a way lesser time or acquitted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hasn't it been talked about how witnesses saw the two fighting like that before? Its not as if that is any new information. I really just want to hear the state's case. All the people looking for a reason to exonerate Zimmerman at every turn are getting old.

Let's hear the state's case and be done with it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol 2/10 on your strawman attempt.

Your troll schtick is Al Sharpy type, right?
You haven't weighed in on the abusive ape thread yet:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197101

Go ahead and play like calling people apes isn't more telling about the type of person you are than they are.

[Yonivore]

Martin was high, as suggested by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's wounds are consistent with his self-defense claim and his version of events.

There is an eye witness to corroborate his claim that was only a few yards away.

Case closed.

[Yonivore]

Yeah...that was a tough sell. Frankly I'm not sure if anyone disputes that a fight took place. And in any case Trayvon had a right defend himself under the circumstances. Especially if it was just a laceration on his ring finger.

What I can't get over is the fact that apparently the gun was fired from an intermediate distance. That thoroughly debunks the "headbashing into the concrete (:lol)--> Shot him while he was on top of me" defense.

According to this website:

"An intermediate range gunshot, like that seen in the above image, can range from just beyond the 12-inch range out to 24 to 36 inches. This depends greatly upon the caliber, barrel length and powder type used in the ammunition."

http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distanceResults.htm

Regardless of what happened during the fight (which I have no doubt happened), if the kid was shot from that kind of distance he was no longer a threat by the time Zimmerman pulled the trigger imo. I think taking this guy to court was absolutely the right thing to do here.

Edit in response to Chump: Yeah. That's what makes this whole situation even harder to accept.

1"-18" (http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852&page=2#.T7e6ftxYsyQ)


The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.
Now you can get over it since it wasn't a fact after all.

[clambake]

when you deliberately stalk with the intent to kill, its good to be close to your target.

[Fabbs]

Go ahead and play like calling people apes isn't more telling about the type of person you are than they are.
I called Rico Gray an ape.

Rico Gray, was arrested in 2006 and 2009 on charges of domestic battery.
More on Gray: ‘I got five baby mammas, and I put my hands on every last one of them except for one,” Rico Gray confessed during a November 2010 deposition. “The way I was with women . . . they had to walk on eggshells around me.” He recalled punching women in the face, shoving them, choking them and tossing them out the door.
Why is it more telling?

[Fabbs]

http://tiwibzone.tiwib.netdna-cdn.com/images/pet-hoodie.jpg
Trayvon Martin supporters have released this photo showing Martin on the night of his being stalked and murdered. Martin was on his way to buy milk to contribute to the churches Sunday charity luncheon.

[Creepn]

Martin was high, as suggested by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's wounds are consistent with his self-defense claim and his version of events.

There is an eye witness to corroborate his claim that was only a few yards away.

Case closed.

The video on Martin at the store shows otherwise. He was walking straight, coherent enough to count change and *gasp* he didn't steal. Such a hardcore gangsta thug.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I called Rico Gray an ape.

Rico Gray, was arrested in 2006 and 2009 on charges of domestic battery.
More on Gray: ‘I got five baby mammas, and I put my hands on every last one of them except for one,” Rico Gray confessed during a November 2010 deposition. “The way I was with women . . . they had to walk on eggshells around me.” He recalled punching women in the face, shoving them, choking them and tossing them out the door.
Why is it more telling?

So I guess you watch Cops and other shows and when you see black people show up you think its appropriate to call them apes? He was a criminal sociopath but human nonetheless. You familiar with the concept of dehumanization?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Martin was high, as suggested by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's wounds are consistent with his self-defense claim and his version of events.

There is an eye witness to corroborate his claim that was only a few yards away.

Case closed.

I realize you are only stirring shit up but there is only evidence that he ingested pot within the previous 4 weeks. Not that he was high at that time. there have been eyewitnesses purporting that same thing before. I haven't seen many people claim that he beat himself up. I also haven't been able to correlate the locations, timing etc between the testimonies.

Right now its the same status quo as before which obviously gives reasonable doubt. Martin beat on Zimmerman before he shot him. Oh wait he had smoked some pot within the previous few weeks as if that is an excuse to shoot someone.

What will be telling is if the prosecution has a witness to the beginning of the confrontation. ie the events that precipitated the fight.

[Fabbs]

So I guess you watch Cops and other shows and when you see black people show up you think its appropriate to call them apes?
I was talking about Rico Gray.
What are you strawmanning off for?

Are you yet another ST troll whose sole purpose is to amass hits to the site? :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was talking about Rico Gray.
What are you strawmanning off for?

Are you yet another ST troll whose sole purpose is to amass hits to the site? :lmao

Strawman?

http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/2/85/91/Rico-Gray_mugshot.400x800.jpg

You called that guy an ape.

[TheSkeptic]

1"-18" (http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witnesses-back-george-zimmermans-version/story?id=16371852&page=2#.T7e6ftxYsyQ)


Now you can get over it since it wasn't a fact after all.

Ah. Saw that then. Still discredits Zimmerman's version of the events though because if he didn't have Trayvon's blood on him and it wasn't a contact shot, that probably means that the shooting itself didn't happen the way he said it did. Especially since the kid's DNA was conspicuously absent from the weapon and its holster.

I'm waiting to see what other evidence the prosecution has though but I'm leaning back again towards manslaughter as the appropriate charge and a civil lawsuit as the appropriate action.

Though since Zimmerman was also apparently on medication it could be the case that he thought he was in danger and overreacted.

[TheSkeptic]

I realize you are only stirring shit up but there is only evidence that he ingested pot within the previous 4 weeks. Not that he was high at that time. there have been eyewitnesses purporting that same thing before. I haven't seen many people claim that he beat himself up. I also haven't been able to correlate the locations, timing etc between the testimonies.

Right now its the same status quo as before which obviously gives reasonable doubt. Martin beat on Zimmerman before he shot him. Oh wait he had smoked some pot within the previous few weeks as if that is an excuse to shoot someone.

What will be telling is if the prosecution has a witness to the beginning of the confrontation. ie the events that precipitated the fight.

Not necessarily because Florida law allows someone who feels threatened to throw the first punch. Regardless of Zimmerman's intentions I'm thinking that the prosecution will say that Martin had reason to be afraid and will use the fact that he ran to show a certain measure of fear.

She'll probably also use that to discredit O'Mara's use of SYG as well. There seems to be a clear pattern in the way that she attacks that particular defense.

[Yonivore]

Not necessarily because Florida law allows someone who feels threatened to throw the first punch. Regardless of Zimmerman's intentions I'm thinking that the prosecution will say that Martin had reason to be afraid and will use the fact that he ran to show a certain measure of fear.

She'll probably also use that to discredit O'Mara's use of SYG as well. There seems to be a clear pattern in the way that she attacks that particular defense.
The same set of Florida laws allows someone who believes they are facing imminent death or serious bodily harm (no matter the genesis of the assault) to use whatever force necessary to repel the attack.

If, as an eye witness has described, Trayvon Martin had Zimmerman pinned to the ground and was wailing away on him "Mixed Martial Arts" style -- which, by the way, all the evidence supports -- and banging his head against the concrete -- also supported by the evidence -- it doesn't really matter who threw the first punch -- even though, it is becoming increasingly likely it was as Zimmerman described and Martin was the aggressor.

[Yonivore]

Ah. Saw that then. Still discredits Zimmerman's version of the events though...
No, it doesn't. I just doesn't support whatever version to which you subscribe.


...because if he didn't have Trayvon's blood on him and it wasn't a contact shot, that probably means that the shooting itself didn't happen the way he said it did.
Nope, it just means there was none of Trayvon Martin's blood found on Zimmerman and, by the way, 1" is just about a contact shot. It could just as easily mean Martin realized Zimmerman had gained control of the weapon and was attempt to back away from him when the shot was fired.


Especially since the kid's DNA was conspicuously absent from the weapon and its holster.
Why?


I'm waiting to see what other evidence the prosecution has though but I'm leaning back again towards manslaughter as the appropriate charge and a civil lawsuit as the appropriate action.

Though since Zimmerman was also apparently on medication it could be the case that he thought he was in danger and overreacted.
Of course, it could be as he described. The injuries he sustained seem to support a belief he was in danger.

[CosmicCowboy]

Blood doesn't splatter like in the movies. The bullet made a tiny entrance hole and then went into the heart and tore shit up that got contained. You are a fucking dumbass if you think Zimmerman was supposed to be splattered with Martins blood.

[bobbyjoe]

The same set of Florida laws allows someone who believes they are facing imminent death or serious bodily harm (no matter the genesis of the assault) to use whatever force necessary to repel the attack.

If, as an eye witness has described, Trayvon Martin had Zimmerman pinned to the ground and was wailing away on him "Mixed Martial Arts" style -- which, by the way, all the evidence supports -- and banging his head against the concrete -- also supported by the evidence -- it doesn't really matter who threw the first punch -- even though, it is becoming increasingly likely it was as Zimmerman described and Martin was the aggressor.

The problem for Zimmerman is that merely being in a fight does not mean, even in a very progressive self-defense state like Florida, that you have a right to legally kill someone. If this was the case, teenagers would be legally entitled to kill each other each time shoving matches ensued!

The key is whether the attack was of such a nature that serious bodily harm was a reasonable expectation. I don't think being punched in the face meets that criteria and I believe Florida case law has also held that violence of that grade does NOT allow for justifiable killings. You have to remember that the bar for Zimmerman to claim self-defense is much higher in this case because he wasn't in his home or vehicle and Trayvon was not committing an illegal act against him or his property.

Now, having your head repeatedly bashed into the concrete does in my opinion rise to a higher level than does a fist fight or a wrestling match. However, no witness other than Zimmerman to date has made that claim.

If Zimmerman has cited having his head bashed into the concrete as the crux of why he felt his life was in danger, he is in some real trouble because the shooting occurred in a grassy area not on a concrete pad. So, if you believe his statement that the threat of severe head injuries from having your head bashed on the concrete had been removed at the moment he elected to fire at Trayvon. That's a real problem for him.

I'm not sure how closely you've looked at the evidence that has been released, but the variance in eyewitness accounts as to what took place is incredibly high. So you can't just focus on the one witness who happens to provide the statement that is most beneficial to Zimmerman. Many witnesses believe Zimmerman was on top and there are witnesses who believe there was no physical confrontation at the time of the shooting, which again begs the question of just what level of threat Zimmerman faced at the time the shot actually took place.

The injuries indicate Zimmerman got the worse of the physical altercation, but in no way, shape or form do they indicate who the aggressor was.

Unfortunately, it is doubtful anyone will ever know who the true aggressor was because no witness has stepped forward to opine on that other than the earwitness.

However, what we do know circumstantially clearly points to Zimmerman as likely being the aggressor:

- Zimmerman called 911 minutes before the shooting and was clearly upset and cursing about the prospect of "yet another asshole getting away". He has admitted to at least initially following Trayvon. Meanwhile, Trayvon was on the phone was his girlfriend at the time of the shooting.

Who is more likely to be in a confrontational mindframe? A neighborhood watchman armed with a gun who is upset that a criminal is getting away or an unarmed teenager in a foreign neighborhood talking to his girlfriend while walking home who is otherwise engaged in unremarkable conduct?

- Zimmerman has admitted to following Trayvon at least initially. Trayvon meanwhile wasn't following anybody. Again, which of these 2 behaviors is indicative of a confrontational mindset: the follower or the followee?

- Zimmerman's story is that Trayvon Martin ran away from him, but then doubled back to track him down and confront him. Again, what is more plausible here? That a neighborhood watchman who was upset that a criminal was getting away continued to pursue him despite being advised not to? Or that a teenager who was apparently scared enough of Zimmerman to run away from did a complete 180 degree turn mentally and confronted the very stimulus that caused him to run away? Like much of Zimmerman's story, it just doesn't add up.

[z0sa]

If he's not white then what is he?

notsureifserious.jpg

Just in case you're being serious (which would be really sad and racist IMHO, considering he doesn't resemble a Caucasian), he's considered by all parties involved (IE no one involved has argued otherwise) to be a multi-racial Hispanic American. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin)

[bobbyjoe]

Ah. Saw that then. Still discredits Zimmerman's version of the events though because if he didn't have Trayvon's blood on him and it wasn't a contact shot, that probably means that the shooting itself didn't happen the way he said it did. Especially since the kid's DNA was conspicuously absent from the weapon and its holster.

I'm waiting to see what other evidence the prosecution has though but I'm leaning back again towards manslaughter as the appropriate charge and a civil lawsuit as the appropriate action.

Though since Zimmerman was also apparently on medication it could be the case that he thought he was in danger and overreacted.

Did the evidence show a negative outcome on testing for Trayvon's DNA on the gun and holster? That would again be inconsistent with Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon reached for his gun and further reduce his credibility.

This case has had manslaughter written all over it from the getgo. Murder 2 always seemed like a reach and the injuries Zimmerman sustained will make it difficult for a jury to feel he met the "depraved indifference" element.

A Sanford Police Department volunteer actually trained Zimmerman and others in the neighborhood on neighborhood watch protocol in Fall 2011. This was done at Zimmerman's behest and the lady implored all attendees to not be armed and not confront suspicous people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Blood doesn't splatter like in the movies. The bullet made a tiny entrance hole and then went into the heart and tore shit up that got contained. You are a fucking dumbass if you think Zimmerman was supposed to be splattered with Martins blood.

You have no idea what the wound looked like, what type of round was used, how far away the shot was taken, the relative position of either body at the time the shot was made etc.

All I see here is you filling in the blanks in a manner that exonerates Zimmerman. The only one here looking dumb is you by acting you know enough specifics to make such a claim. Its okay to say that you don't know. None of us here do.

[Wild Cobra]

Ah. Saw that then. Still discredits Zimmerman's version of the events though because if he didn't have Trayvon's blood on him and it wasn't a contact shot, that probably means that the shooting itself didn't happen the way he said it did. Especially since the kid's DNA was conspicuously absent from the weapon and its holster.

I'm waiting to see what other evidence the prosecution has though but I'm leaning back again towards manslaughter as the appropriate charge and a civil lawsuit as the appropriate action.

Though since Zimmerman was also apparently on medication it could be the case that he thought he was in danger and overreacted.
What makes you think the soft hoodie wouldn't keep most or all the blood confined Dexter? Besides, a chest wound isn't like an abdomen wound.

[Wild Cobra]

Blood doesn't splatter like in the movies. The bullet made a tiny entrance hole and then went into the heart and tore shit up that got contained. You are a fucking dumbass if you think Zimmerman was supposed to be splattered with Martins blood.
These guys probably never shot anything in their lives. As kids, we use to shoot Greydiggers in my friends Cherry Orchard. Been hunting a few times when I was older.

[Fabbs]

Strawman?

http://media.mugshots.com/thumbs/gallery/images/2/85/91/Rico-Gray_mugshot.400x800.jpg

You called that guy an ape.
And so i did. Are you attempting to make some point?

Btw use the correct picture next time. :lol
http://ronewchbnewsdetroit.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/rico-gray-1.jpg

[Yonivore]

The problem for Zimmerman is that merely being in a fight does not mean, even in a very progressive self-defense state like Florida, that you have a right to legally kill someone. If this was the case, teenagers would be legally entitled to kill each other each time shoving matches ensued!

The key is whether the attack was of such a nature that serious bodily harm was a reasonable expectation. I don't think being punched in the face meets that criteria and I believe Florida case law has also held that violence of that grade does NOT allow for justifiable killings. You have to remember that the bar for Zimmerman to claim self-defense is much higher in this case because he wasn't in his home or vehicle and Trayvon was not committing an illegal act against him or his property.

Now, having your head repeatedly bashed into the concrete does in my opinion rise to a higher level than does a fist fight or a wrestling match. However, no witness other than Zimmerman to date has made that claim.

If Zimmerman has cited having his head bashed into the concrete as the crux of why he felt his life was in danger, he is in some real trouble because the shooting occurred in a grassy area not on a concrete pad. So, if you believe his statement that the threat of severe head injuries from having your head bashed on the concrete had been removed at the moment he elected to fire at Trayvon. That's a real problem for him.

I'm not sure how closely you've looked at the evidence that has been released, but the variance in eyewitness accounts as to what took place is incredibly high. So you can't just focus on the one witness who happens to provide the statement that is most beneficial to Zimmerman. Many witnesses believe Zimmerman was on top and there are witnesses who believe there was no physical confrontation at the time of the shooting, which again begs the question of just what level of threat Zimmerman faced at the time the shot actually took place.

The injuries indicate Zimmerman got the worse of the physical altercation, but in no way, shape or form do they indicate who the aggressor was.

Unfortunately, it is doubtful anyone will ever know who the true aggressor was because no witness has stepped forward to opine on that other than the earwitness.

However, what we do know circumstantially clearly points to Zimmerman as likely being the aggressor:

- Zimmerman called 911 minutes before the shooting and was clearly upset and cursing about the prospect of "yet another asshole getting away". He has admitted to at least initially following Trayvon. Meanwhile, Trayvon was on the phone was his girlfriend at the time of the shooting.

Who is more likely to be in a confrontational mindframe? A neighborhood watchman armed with a gun who is upset that a criminal is getting away or an unarmed teenager in a foreign neighborhood talking to his girlfriend while walking home who is otherwise engaged in unremarkable conduct?

- Zimmerman has admitted to following Trayvon at least initially. Trayvon meanwhile wasn't following anybody. Again, which of these 2 behaviors is indicative of a confrontational mindset: the follower or the followee?

- Zimmerman's story is that Trayvon Martin ran away from him, but then doubled back to track him down and confront him. Again, what is more plausible here? That a neighborhood watchman who was upset that a criminal was getting away continued to pursue him despite being advised not to? Or that a teenager who was apparently scared enough of Zimmerman to run away from did a complete 180 degree turn mentally and confronted the very stimulus that caused him to run away? Like much of Zimmerman's story, it just doesn't add up.
The physical and forensic evidence bear witness in support of Zimmerman.

Do we yet know the span of time between when Zimmerman concluded the call with police and when the girlfriend claims the call with Martin was disconnected due to the altercation?

As I've said before, the shorter the span of time the more likely it is Martin doubled back and sought out Zimmerman; the longer the time, the more time Zimmerman had to resume his search and encounter Martin.

[Fabbs]

Go ahead and play like calling people apes isn't more telling about the type of person you are than they are.
Fox is obviously racially profiling Homer Simpson.
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/921/921292/homer-simpson-20081017022327879-000.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

Video of Tray's last minutes before being murdered:depressed

oqLOeuBwJOI

[Fabbs]

George Zimmerman before his wrongful imprisonment. :depressed
http://www.creationsbydawn.net/graphic/angels/angels2/male-angel4.gif

[Trill Clinton]

zimmermans bond revoked!:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecution-requests-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked/story?id=16476183#.T8kP_8UoIrU

Damn, Zimmerman is going out of his way to look guilty.

[CosmicCowboy]

You have no idea what the wound looked like, what type of round was used, how far away the shot was taken, the relative position of either body at the time the shot was made etc.

All I see here is you filling in the blanks in a manner that exonerates Zimmerman. The only one here looking dumb is you by acting you know enough specifics to make such a claim. Its okay to say that you don't know. None of us here do.

It was a 9mm fuckwad. I've only shot thousands of rounds of 9mm and also killed stuff with it and a lot of other calibers too. Blood does not splatter forward like in the movies.

[Trill Clinton]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecution-requests-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked/story?id=16476183#.T8kP_8UoIrU

Damn, Zimmerman is going out of his way to look guilty.

he was guilty the moment he hopped out of his truck yet people are letting their emotions get the best of them and side with him anyway.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecution-requests-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked/story?id=16476183#.T8kP_8UoIrU

Damn, Zimmerman is going out of his way to look guilty.

Gotta agree that was pretty fucking dumb.

[Trill Clinton]

his wife is being charged with contempt too...damn this dude is taking everybody down with him.

[clambake]

Gotta agree that was pretty fucking dumb.

not really. i told you about his character long ago.

[CosmicCowboy]

Still, what he did at the bail hearing has absolutely no bearing on the murder trial. It's a completely separate legal issue after the fact.

[Trill Clinton]

God works in mysterious ways.

[clambake]

Still, what he did at the bail hearing has absolutely no bearing on the murder trial. It's a completely separate legal issue after the fact.

:lol you still pulling for this piece of garbage. :lol

are you one of the dumb fuckstix that donated?

[cantthinkofanything]

God works in mysterious ways.

OJ karma?

[clambake]

Zimmerman is SO gonna be found not guilty.

SO lol

[clambake]

i'm just glad that everyone gets to find out about this piece of shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It was a 9mm fuckwad. I've only shot thousands of rounds of 9mm and also killed stuff with it and a lot of other calibers too. Blood does not splatter forward like in the movies.

Not all 9mm slugs and cartridges are the same, pumpkin, and the kid was on top of him not in front of him.

[CosmicCowboy]

SO lol

Still say not guilty of 2nd degree murder. Wanna put some money where your mouth is?

[boutons_deux]

Z's credibility, on any issue, is zero.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not all 9mm slugs and cartridges are the same, pumpkin, and the kid was on top of him not in front of him.

They all make the same pencil sized entry hole whether it's a black talon or a FMJ.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecution-requests-george-zimmermans-bond-revoked/story?id=16476183#.T8kP_8UoIrU

Damn, Zimmerman is going out of his way to look guilty.

He certainly does not behave on the up and up.

from the article:


The prosecution and defense also have banded together against more than a dozen media companies' demands to uncork another batch of sealed records that could reveal much more about both Zimmerman and Martin that night.

Still a lot of stuff we do not know.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They all make the same pencil sized entry hole whether it's a black talon or a FMJ.

Sure my point is that the amount of damage and type of damage done internally will determine how it will bleed. It his his left ventricle, it would have bled A LOT.

[clambake]

Still say not guilty of 2nd degree murder. Wanna put some money where your mouth is?

now you want to bet for george. :lol

i must say, your position is very revealing.

[clambake]

funny how the george supporters feel this so personally.

[CosmicCowboy]

now you want to bet for george. :lol

i must say, your position is very revealing.

You are such a fucking idiot. I'm not FOR George Zimmerman, in fact I think he appears to be an asshole...BUT...I'm saying that from what I have seen there is not sufficient evidence to convict him of second degree murder.

You say there is.

I say put your fucking money where your big mouth is.

[clambake]

You are such a fucking idiot. I'm not FOR George Zimmerman, in fact I think he appears to be an asshole...BUT...I'm saying that from what I have seen there is not sufficient evidence to convict him of second degree murder.

You say there is.

I say put your fucking money where your big mouth is.

1. he saw his prey, stalked it down and killed it. profiled the kid.

2. betting against george in a florida courtroom is not a wise investment.

i've said this the entire time.

[clambake]

oh, and now he just "appears to be an asshole"

cowboy still not sure lol

[CosmicCowboy]

1. he saw his prey, stalked it down and killed it. profiled the kid.

2. betting against george in a florida courtroom is not a wise investment.

i've said this the entire time.

Your backup buzzer is going off, bitch.

*beep*beep*beep*beep*

You just pulled up a post of mine from WAY back in the thread where i said he was not going to be found guilty and :lmao'd @ it.

[clambake]

Your backup buzzer is going off, bitch.

*beep*beep*beep*beep*

You just pulled up a post of mine from WAY back in the thread where i said he was not going to be found guilty and :lmao'd @ it.

let me go find one of my old post for this redneck dumbass.

be right back

[CosmicCowboy]

oh, and now he just "appears to be an asshole"

cowboy still not sure lol

I generally like to make my conclusions from personal observations and interactions before I decide someone is an asshole.

Based on that criteria I can confidently state that YOU are an asshole and George Zimmerman just appears to be an asshole.

[Creepn]

notsureifserious.jpg

Just in case you're being serious (which would be really sad and racist IMHO, considering he doesn't resemble a Caucasian), he's considered by all parties involved (IE no one involved has argued otherwise) to be a multi-racial Hispanic American. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin)

Sorry, I didn't get that memo. So what are the races that makes Zimmerman multi-racial?

[clambake]

it wouldn't surprise me to see jury in florida let him walk.

[clambake]

I generally like to make my conclusions from personal observations and interactions before I decide someone is an asshole.

Based on that criteria I can confidently state that YOU are an asshole and George Zimmerman just appears to be an asshole.

:lmao still just appears to be?

man, you got it bad for this guy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

CC, go have a beer, mang Making bets on obviously incomplete information smacks of bluster and butthurt.

[CosmicCowboy]

So if you are pretty sure he won't be convicted, what was the point of dredging up an old post of mine that said the same thing and then :lmao at it?

And since you have severe reading comprehension issues I will again say that since I have never had personal interaction with Zimmerman I am OK with saying that he appears to be an asshole from what I have read, unlike you which I have had personal interaction with and can confidently say is an asshole.

[clambake]

when i first ragged on george about lying, you said "thats all you got, lol"

you should take fuzzy's advice!

[CosmicCowboy]

CC, go have a beer, mang Making bets on obviously incomplete information smacks of bluster and butthurt.

How many beers have you already had? That's what bets are...putting your money on a strong belief with incomplete information. You can't call up your bookie this morning and try to take OKC in game 3 of the WCF, but you can bet on game 4.

[O.J. Simpson]

OJ karma?

Fuck off RaZon. I'm in jail for talking back my own shit.

[clambake]

well, as i have stated numerous times, his name is zimmerman and he's in a florida court.

again, why do you expect me to suspend that opinion and take that bet?

[CosmicCowboy]

well, as i have stated numerous times, his name is zimmerman and he's in a florida court.

again, why do you expect me to suspend that opinion and take that bet?

Ahhh...the "I say he is guilty but he will be found not guilty in Florida because they have crooked courts" argument. Sweet.

So you still haven't explained why you dredged up that old post of mine predicting he would be found not guilty and :lmao'd at it...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How many beers have you already had? That's what bets are...putting your money on a strong belief with incomplete information. You can't call up your bookie this morning and try to take OKC in game 3 of the WCF, but you can bet on game 4.

I don't drink.

And no, thats how people bet that don't much care if they win or lose. You are betting on wishful thinking because as the article just pointed out there is a whole lot more evidence about what happened between those two out there the media is trying to get unsealed and both sides are trying to prevent that.

We have no idea what that evidence will say but from your bet we can certainly determine what you want it to say. Just like you bet on the Spurs because you are a Spurs fan, you bet on Zimmerman because you are a Zimmerman fan.

[cantthinkofanything]

Fuck off RaZon. I'm in jail for talking back my own shit.

You're in jail for killing two white people. You're just too dumb to know it.

[clambake]

Ahhh...the "I say he is guilty but he will be found not guilty in Florida because they have crooked courts" argument. Sweet.

So you still haven't explained why you dredged up that old post of mine predicting he would be found not guilty and :lmao'd at it...

i dredged it up because the only reason you said it was because you laughed about the importance of george being a liar.

you seriously got it bad for this guy.



telling

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm tired of debating with idiots that can't read and make uninformed opinions of what I think or don't think.

I am no Zimmerman fan.

The prosecutor has already admitted he has no idea who initiated the confrontation. His words, not mine.

We have an eye witness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him. It is clear from Zimmerman's perspective that he could have had "reasonable fear" of serious injury from Martin. Any concussive head injury is potentially dangerous and even life threatening. Think of the recent press over football injuries and they wear helmets.

I am simply saying that the burden of proof is on the prosecutor and I don't think he can reach the evidence threshold necessary to get a conviction on murder 2.

It's that simple. I don't "like" Zimmerman, so fuck off.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Quit being a whiny bitch , CC. We are not stupid; we just do not blindly hope that Zimmerman is innocent. I agree with you that given the evidence in the public sphere at this moment there probably not enough evidence to surpass reasonable doubt

The MMA witness recanted his testimony. There is no evidence of a concussion. He didn't require stitches. But most importantly there is a lot of evidence about the confrontation that is no public knowledge

The prosecutors do not believe Zimmerman's testimony. I just want to know why.

You want to make bets to prove your vehemence in your belief he is innocent.

[clambake]

now george was fearing football injuries?

holy shit

[clambake]

to those that donated......if you have any credibility, sue george for the return of your money.

[ploto]

I do not think anyone has mentioned his second passport.

My understanding is that he got a second passport two weeks after the shooting by saying the first was lost or stolen. Then, when he had to surrender his passport, he only gave the court the first one. I think they even said that he told his wife on those phone calls to hold onto his "extra" passport.

Suppposedly, his lawyers successfully argued that it was simply an oversite! Not sure how.

[clambake]

I do not think anyone has mentioned his second passport.

My understanding is that he got a second passport two weeks after the shooting by saying the first was lost or stolen. Then, when he had to surrender his passport, he only gave the court the first one. I think they even said that he told his wife on those phone calls to hold onto his "extra" passport.

Suppposedly, his lawyers successfully argued that it was simply an oversite! Not sure how.

yep, this guy is a major scumbag.

[boutons_deux]

2nd passport = flight risk, deny bail/bond, jail him until the trial.

[clambake]

i hope he has access to a rope. zing

[Wild Cobra]

Awesome.

This judge doesn't put up with shit.

I wonder how badly he will ream the prosecutor for her lies?

[clambake]

Awesome.

This judge doesn't put up with shit.

I wonder how badly he will ream the prosecutor for her lies?

what lies? be specific.

[Wild Cobra]

what lies? be specific.
It's been covered. Look at past posts. I'm not going to try to remember the specifics for you.

[clambake]

It's been covered. Look at past posts. I'm not going to try to remember the specifics for you.

:lmao so fucking stupid. i was specific about his lies.

go ahead..........be specific

[clambake]

what a wuss.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not going to try to remember the specifics for you.

You have to wonder if he is trolling. Can someone really be this stupid? I am not kidding when I say he is either trolling or mentally retarded. Thats not trolling. i really believe that.

[clambake]

You have to wonder if he is trolling. Can someone really be this stupid? I am not kidding when I say he is either trolling or mentally retarded. Thats not trolling. i really believe that.

zero doubt

[Das Texan]

zimmerman is a fucking idiot for basically lying to the judge.

guilty or not in the murder trial, pissing off the judge doesnt help you in any ways at all.

intelligent move.

[MannyIsGod]

Still, what he did at the bail hearing has absolutely no bearing on the murder trial. It's a completely separate legal issue after the fact.

Not so sure about that. Should it not be taken into consideration that he has lied to the authorities when trying to ascertain the accuracy of his statements on the event to the authorities? I don't think you can just write off his lies.

[Creepn]

Did he turn himself in yet or did he flee the country with his 3rd passport?

[boutons_deux]

'what he did at the bail hearing has absolutely no bearing on the murder trial"

Since this is low-evidence trial, it's more a he-said/he-said (but one "he" ain't talkin no more), so his lying to the judge, and lying (that he lost first passport) to obtain a 2nd passport (eg, needed to flee the country after rendering the 1st passport) destroys his credibility about his tall tale about the murder and make him a flight risk.

His police record, "hearsay" about him hating "young black males", the report of him as bouncer being extremely aggressive, all add up (yes, as circumstantial) will all discredit him to a jury.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Beyond a shadow of a doubt"

No matter which "side" you are on if you are intellectually honest you have to admit there are a hell of a lot of shadows in this case.

[clambake]

what are those?

[CosmicCowboy]

*ignoring clambakes ridiculous question*

[clambake]

*cowboy opting to join wild cobra*

[CosmicCowboy]

fuck you

there are 3400 fucking posts in this thread. I'm not going to rehash all the facts of the case just because of your stupidity or lack of reading comprehension.

[clambake]

fuck you

there are 3400 fucking posts in this thread. I'm not going to rehash all the facts of the case just because of your stupidity or lack of reading comprehension.

much of which is based on the word of george. lol

its clear why you're pulling for him.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's clear you are a stupid fucking troll.

[clambake]

It's clear you are a stupid fucking troll.

i'm the fucking troll that knows why you're pulling for him.

[Wild Cobra]

fuck you

there are 3400 fucking posts in this thread. I'm not going to rehash all the facts of the case just because of your stupidity or lack of reading comprehension.

:clap

No Shit!

[clambake]

*cowboy opting to join wild cobra*

[Creepn]

This Zimmerman guy makes me sick. I know his type. He's the type of character that something bad happens to in the end of the movie because of his sniveling and arrogant personality.

This guy trying to act so law abiding and obedient by turning himself in to gain sympathy. You don't fool me.

I know Cosmic donated to his defense fund. I know he did.

[CosmicCowboy]

This Zimmerman guy makes me sick. I know his type. He's the type of character that something bad happens to in the end of the movie because of his sniveling and arrogant personality.

This guy trying to act so law abiding and obedient by turning himself in to gain sympathy. You don't fool me.

I know Cosmic donated to his defense fund. I know he did.

You really are a stupid motherfucker.

And NO, I didn't donate to his defense fund.

I'm just calling the published facts as I see them and don't think that in a fair trial the prosecutors can get a conviction on second degree murder. The threshold of evidence is too high.

You and clambake and the other trolls are just too fucking stupid to see that.

[Creepn]

You really are a stupid motherfucker.

And NO, I didn't donate to his defense fund.

I'm just calling the published facts as I see them and don't think that in a fair trial the prosecutors can get a conviction on second degree murder. The threshold of evidence is too high.

You and clambake and the other trolls are just too fucking stupid to see that.

People who place bets confidently probably had a hand in the outcome, like "donating" money to boxers to take the fall in the 4th.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You really are a stupid motherfucker.

And NO, I didn't donate to his defense fund.

I'm just calling the published facts as I see them and don't think that in a fair trial the prosecutors can get a conviction on second degree murder. The threshold of evidence is too high.

You and clambake and the other trolls are just too fucking stupid to see that.

MMA witness recanted and I personally have doubts whether cuts on the back of the head that do not require stitches really correlate with one getting ones head bashed into the concrete repeatedly.

The sole peep we have heard from the prosecution is that they do not believe Zimmerman's testimony. He has certainly shown that he will be deceitful to keep his butt out of jail.

You can try and paint me as a stupid troll but we haven't even heard the State's case. You are so enthralled with what you want the outcome to be, you never consider that.

[clambake]

the more cowboy learns about george, the less he will post in this thread.

book it

[Trill Clinton]

the more cowboy learns about george, the less he will post in this thread.

book it

of course.

when zimmerman got sent to jail the first time it was like a ghost town when just a few days before WC and CC were gung ho for the killer.

now they've softened their stance. its pitiful.

[ChumpDumper]

Their feelings about this are constantly evolving.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Find when Al Sharpton got involved and then look at the thread traffic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Killing happens 4/16. Sure enough. April 22. Sharpton holds a big rally.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/22/nation/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-rev-al-sharpton-20120322

Yoni, Darrin and Dumbass had been being reticent and then go all in and CC chimes in for the first time with of course the beginning of his reasonable doubt defense.


I heard the whole tape today in full and was not predisposed to judge one way or the other.

I have to say, I was struck by the long conversation between the dispatcher and the shooter. The dispatcher clearly said "we don't NEED you to follow him". She didn't say DON'T follow him. They then started talking about where he should meet the policeman when he got there and the dispatcher suggested they meet at the mailboxes. From the guys heavy breathing it seemed pretty clear he was still following the kid so he "didn't get away" before the police got there. He then told the dispatcher to just have the policeman call him when he got there and he would tell him where he was and the dispatcher said OK...It seemed almost like an acceptance and approval that he was following the kid. What happened after that is anyones guess at this point.

I certainly don't approve of the shooters behavior but it doesn't seem as clear cut as what I had been led to believe from reports.

I'm not saying that they directly acknowledged he got involved but it is definitely when the worm turned.

[clambake]

the thing that keeps getting missed is that george and his wife are nothing more than air breathing leeches. this frustrated, blaming the world for his shitty life piece of shit needed to vent on something.

so he gets his gun, runs out of his daddys house, jumps in daddys vehicle to find that outlet.

thats how george got there. and thats what this case should be about.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm surprised nobody brought this up.

He turned himself in yesterday. He will be in administrative confinement. This is an expense unnecessary for someone who isn't a flight risk, if you ask me.

[clambake]

I'm surprised nobody brought this up.

He turned himself in yesterday. He will be in administrative confinement. This is an expense unnecessary for someone who isn't a flight risk, if you ask me.

why didn't he willingly give up his 2nd passport?

and why did he wait to turn himself in?

[Blake]

I'm surprised nobody brought this up.

He turned himself in yesterday. He will be in administrative confinement. This is an expense unnecessary for someone who isn't a flight risk, if you ask me.

His bond was revoked because of his misinformation about his financial situation.

[clambake]

it wasn't misinformation.

it was a blatant lie.

[Wild Cobra]

His bond was revoked because of his misinformation about his financial situation.
No shit Sherlock.

Keep up, that's been discussed.

My point is that it is an unnecessary cost for the justice system.

Do you believe in justice, or revenge?

[clambake]

No shit Sherlock.

Keep up, that's been discussed.

My point is that it is an unnecessary cost for the justice system.

Do you believe in justice, or revenge?


why didn't he willingly give up his 2nd passport?

and why did he wait to turn himself in?

[Wild Cobra]

Idiot.

The judge didn't care about the second passport. It's just the lynching mob mentality you have that will use anything possible.

Wait to turn himself in?

Really now... why rush?

Do you go to work 6 hrs early every day, or wait till about 15 minutes before you need to be there?

He has turned himself in twice without incident now. Do you think he's a flight risk?

[Blake]

No shit Sherlock.

Keep up, that's been discussed.

You just said you were surprised nobody brought that up, Watson.


My point is that it is an unnecessary cost for the justice system.

Do you believe in justice, or revenge?

You believe in logical fallacies.

It's why you are the forum punching bag.

[clambake]

Idiot.

The judge didn't care about the second passport. It's just the lynching mob mentality you have that will use anything possible.

Wait to turn himself in?

Really now... why rush?

Do you go to work 6 hrs early every day, or wait till about 15 minutes before you need to be there?

i'm a business owner and george doesn't have a job, dipshit.

he and his wife were trying stow the money. sounds like a flight risk to me.

[Wild Cobra]

he and his wife were trying stow the money. sounds like a flight risk to me.
I found a transcript of the phone tap. No idea who released it, but it didn't sound like that. And really... Just how far will six figures get a person today in hiding?

[Wild Cobra]

i'm a business owner and george doesn't have a job, dipshit.

Can't be successful at all since you haven't been able to replace your keyboard with a working shift key.

[clambake]

I found a transcript of the phone tap. No idea who released it, but it didn't sound like that. And really... Just how far will six figures get a person today in hiding?

george is a scumbag. he doesn't think past tomorrow.

[Wild Cobra]

george is a scumbag. he doesn't think past tomorrow.
And you know that how?

[clambake]

Can't be successful at all since you haven't been able to replace your keyboard with a working shift key.

why don't you stalk me and send one?

[clambake]

And you know that how?

he's already exposed his character.

[Wild Cobra]

why don't you stalk me and send one?
You sure have some pathetic fantasies. You wish someone would care enough about you, to stalk you I bet.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Clambake is really obsessed with Zimmerman.

[clambake]

You sure have some pathetic fantasies. You wish someone would care enough about you, to stalk you I bet.

i don't care at all what you think about this case. you're a dumbass.

cowboy is not a dumbass. he'll see what he's been missing.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

Clambake is really obsessed with Zimmerman.
No shit, I haven't decided yet if he wants to suck him off, or off him.

[CosmicCowboy]

Casey Anthony was a piece of shit too.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/07/29/139802-casey-anthony.jpg

Look at all the freaking evidence they had on her too!

Beyond a shadow of doubt is a really high threshold without an eye witness or overwhelming forensic evidence. I still don't think the prosecutor can get a murder II conviction on Zimmerman based on what I have seen and read.

You keep trying to turn this into me "liking" Zimmerman which is just a really badly constructed straw man.

[clambake]

No shit, I haven't decided yet if he wants to suck him off, or off him.

good to know what you think about, obsessively.

more reasons she left you.

[clambake]

Casey Anthony was a piece of shit too.

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/07/29/139802-casey-anthony.jpg

Look at all the freaking evidence they had on her too!

Beyond a shadow of doubt is a really high threshold without an eye witness or overwhelming forensic evidence. I still don't think the prosecutor can get a murder II conviction on Zimmerman based on what I have seen and read.

You keep trying to turn this into me "liking" Zimmerman which is just a really badly constructed straw man.
you didn't have to post this. i've been saying this all along.

[CosmicCowboy]

you didn't have to post this. i've been saying this all along.

So why do you keep attacking me when I say that based on the evidence I have seen I don't think the prosecutor can get a murder II conviction in this case?

It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking Zimmerman.

[clambake]

i'm not attacking you. you'll come around. i think this case is more than just about the day he killed that kid.

[CosmicCowboy]

i'm not attacking you. you'll come around. i think this case is more than just about the day he killed that kid.

Legally speaking, that's all the murder II charge is about. What happened that night.

[clambake]

Legally speaking, that's all the murder II charge is about. What happened that night.

i think that will change. gut feeling. the same feeling about the girl that carved the letters in her face. i knew instantly that she was lying.

[Creepn]

CC is just trying to get the most out of the money he donated to the defense fund. He may not like Zimmermn per se, but he just wants to increase the chances of being right in this internet discussion.

The length you would take to earn some points on the web just makes me sick CC.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC is just trying to get the most out of the money he donated to the defense fund. He may not like Zimmermn per se, but he just wants to increase the chances of being right in this internet discussion.

The length you would take to earn some points on the web just makes me sick CC.

You are just a stupid fucking troll and dead wrong as usual.

[CosmicCowboy]

i think that will change. gut feeling. the same feeling about the girl that carved the letters in her face. i knew instantly that she was lying.

If the evidence changes I will change my opinion. Hearing the prosecutor admit in court that he had no evidence that Zimmerman started the altercation will be a pretty big hill to climb IMHO. I just think that if there was any really damning evidence out there that it would have been leaked by now. It's not a matter of hiding it from Zimmerman's attorney...they are legally obligated to show them everything they have.

[clambake]

i think he profiled the kid. if they can show that, everything changes.

i don't believe any of that shit george said about the kid being on drugs or looking into windows. he's just building shit in his own head for his power trip.

[Heath Ledger]

It's Florida guys you know the deep south? A black kid died, Zimmerman will walk.

[ploto]

Someone who lied to get a second passport, hid it, and hid $135,000 is not a flight risk??

[Creepn]

i think that will change. gut feeling. the same feeling about the girl that carved the letters in her face. i knew instantly that she was lying.

Holy shit I forgot about that one. Wow. I would like to dig up that thread and see who were the vocal ones to defend the girl but... don't feel like it.

[Fabbs]

Someone who lied to get a second passport, hid it, and hid $135,000 is not a flight risk??
TMZ or Faux or any similar rich yellow journalism rag would pay mega bucks to anyone who would tell of Zims whereabouts.

No, he isn't going into hiding as a flight.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol Casey Anthony.

the question of Casey Anthony was whether or not she killed her kid. There is no dispute that Zimmerman killed Martin.

i have no notion of Florida case law but it doesn't take much to understand that is a terrible comparison.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the evidence changes I will change my opinion. Hearing the prosecutor admit in court that he had no evidence that Zimmerman started the altercation will be a pretty big hill to climb IMHO. I just think that if there was any really damning evidence out there that it would have been leaked by now. It's not a matter of hiding it from Zimmerman's attorney...they are legally obligated to show them everything they have.

The defense is fighting to have the remaining evidence sealed as well. its not just the prosecution.


Florida prosecutors and George Zimmerman's defense attorney want certain evidence -- including e-mails, cell phone records and statements -- sealed until his trial in the death of Trayvon Martin.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-24/justice/justice_florida-teen-shooting-motions_1_mails-statements-witnesses?_s=PM:JUSTICE

Maybe if you really, really, REALLY want it to be true it will be eventually. It's interesting watching you try.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Idiot.

Maybe i should make this a thread of its own but does anyone think that there is someone dumber than WC that posts on the political boards? Anyone?

[Stringer_Bell]

Can't wait to see the look on all the mixed-race haters that called for Zimmerman to be persecuted...ya'll hate on him cuz he's got brown skin and white money, but ya'll will never see him found guilty of crimes he did not commit. I believe in justice, and he will go free and make money off the book tour!

[clambake]

:lol Casey Anthony.

the question of Casey Anthony was whether or not she killed her kid. There is no dispute that Zimmerman killed Martin.

i have no notion of Florida case law but it doesn't take much to understand that is a terrible comparison.

its not a terrible comparison. i can't believe what that judge allowed.

[clambake]

Can't wait to see the look on all the mixed-race haters that called for Zimmerman to be persecuted...ya'll hate on him cuz he's got brown skin and white money, but ya'll will never see him found guilty of crimes he did not commit. I believe in justice, and he will go free and make money off the book tour!

i like this. all of the money donated is pure white.

pure.

[Fabbs]

Can divisions and bias be put aside for a second for this q.....

How many think truth and justice will prevail? (Whatever the outcome)

[Wild Cobra]

Maybe i should make this a thread of its own but does anyone think that there is someone dumber than WC that posts on the political boards? Anyone?
I really do get under your skin, calling you on your stupidity and BS, don't I?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really do get under your skin, calling you on your stupidity and BS, don't I?

Bluster. OTOH, there is the response to my post or rather, the lack thereof.

Why do you suppose that is?

[Wild Cobra]

Bluster. OTOH, there is the response to my post or rather, the lack thereof.

Why do you suppose that is?
I try not to wonder about the mind of someone who is insane like you. I do know, as fact, you are a pathetic existence of skin who has nothing better to do than try to make yourself feel better by trying to make others look bad.

Grow up shithead.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol

You are the opposite of what I view as virtue. That is not hyperbole. Your approach to knowledge is the opposite of what I see as legitimate epistemology.

Instead of claiming that I should grow up, you should stop inserting what you want to be true for fact. Stop dumbing things down and inserting that for fact.

Stop that and I will stop pointing it out. It's as simple as that.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

You are the opposite of what I view as virtue. That is not hyperbole. Your approach to knowledge is the opposite of what I see as legitimate epistemology.

Instead of claiming that I should grow up, you should stop inserting what you want to be true for fact. Stop dumbing things down and inserting that for fact.

Stop that and I will stop pointing it out. It's as simple as that.
I don't know why I waste my time with you. It appears you have more education, but that does not make up for your lack of intelligence and wisdom.

I pity you.

[CosmicCowboy]

The defense is fighting to have the remaining evidence sealed as well. its not just the prosecution.



http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-24/justice/justice_florida-teen-shooting-motions_1_mails-statements-witnesses?_s=PM:JUSTICE

Maybe if you really, really, REALLY want it to be true it will be eventually. It's interesting watching you try.

You really are an ignorant ass that apparently can't read and comprehend simple sentences.

They both want the evidence sealed UNTIL THE TRIAL

The defense is not trying to get the evidence thrown out.

They don't want the media trying the case in public...they were damn near to having race riots down there until the press lost interest temporarily and moved on to cannibals.

[jack sommerset]

Buttons says the one percent has decided this case already. Looks like they are going to keep Zimmerman in jail for awhile or until trial for being irresponsible though it is silly obvious Zimmerman actions were of someone thinking he was saving his own life because of the attack by Martin. The one percent will come back with a not guilty verdict. There will be no riots. The one percent has a firm grasp on the situation now. Personally i dont believe in buttons one percent theory but this situation has been decided already by the prosecution. God bless

[clambake]

lol irresponsible

[jack sommerset]

lol irresponsible

My brother, he should have stayed in the car and waited for the police. A person is dead and perhaps,god willing, it could have been avoided. I say could have only because Martin is clearly a violent man and a death somewhere down the road could have resulted if this one didn't happen. God bless

[clambake]

martin was a violent man?

tell us about that, and be specific.

praise the lord.

[Blake]

martin was a violent man?

tell us about that, and be specific.

praise the lord.

Skittles of mass destruction

[jack sommerset]

martin was a violent man?

tell us about that, and be specific.

praise the lord.

This thread has been very specific about martins violence. You know this to be true, brother. Have faith old friend. Justice will prevail, that has been specifically discussed here as well. God bless

[clambake]

This thread has been very specific about martins violence. You know this to be true, brother. Have faith old friend. Justice will prevail, that has been specifically discussed here as well. God bless

should be easy for you to be specific. ask god for help.

[jack sommerset]

should be easy for you to be specific. ask god for help.

I ask everyday. God bless

[ChumpDumper]

So God wanted Trayvon dead?

Your God sucks.

Ron bless.

[cantthinkofanything]

So God wanted Trayvon dead?

Your God sucks.

Ron bless.

What you're ignoring is the fact that Trayvon could have ended up causing more harm and damage the older he got.

Let's go back in time. You're perched on a bench in the Potero Hills housing projects. A young black boy is approaching you wearing a football jersey and holding a football in one hand and a ball point pen in the other. Suddenly, you hear a gunshot and the boy falls over on his back. You rush to the boy to try to help but it's evident that he's losing too much blood. Tears well up as you begin to process the tragedy. He's trying to speak. You lean your head close to his mouth. His last words are but a whisper..."my name is Orenthal."

[CosmicCowboy]

It was just a matter of time until Martin converted to Islam and walked into a good god fearing church with a bomb vest and took out some infidels.

[ChumpDumper]

What you're ignoring is the fact that Trayvon could have ended up causing more harm and damage the older he got.

Let's go back in time. You're perched on a bench in the Potero Hills housing projects. A young black boy is approaching you wearing a football jersey and holding a football in one hand and a ball point pen in the other. Suddenly, you hear a gunshot and the boy falls over on his back. You rush to the boy to try to help but it's evident that he's losing too much blood. Tears well up as you begin to process the tragedy. He's trying to speak. You lean your head close to his mouth. His last words are but a whisper..."my name is Orenthal."You really can't think of anything.

[cantthinkofanything]

You really can't think of anything.

nigga please...my point was that Zimmerman may have actually saved lives by taking a life. Also, it's possible that he (Zimmerman) might have lost it one day and gunned down multiple people (black or otherwise).

[ChumpDumper]

nigga please...my point was that Zimmerman may have actually saved lives by taking a life. Also, it's possible that he (Zimmerman) might have lost it one day and gunned down multiple people (black or otherwise).So anyone would be justified in killing you as well.

Can't argue with that logic.

[cantthinkofanything]

So anyone would be justified in killing you as well.

Can't argue with that logic.

uh...big difference Jose. I'm not a wannabe gansta prowling around the street at all hours of the night with a history of violence.

[ChumpDumper]

uh...big difference Jose. I'm not a wannabe gansta prowling around the street at all hours of the night with a history of violence.Doesn't matter. The potential for mass murder is there.

Your logic.

[Blake]

uh...big difference Jose. I'm not a wannabe gansta prowling around the street at all hours of the night with a history of violence.

How many people had Martin previously killed

[cantthinkofanything]

How many people had Martin previously killed

I haven't heard that he killed anyone yet.

[ChumpDumper]

lol prowling

If you simply want to let other people to decide who lives and who dies like that, don't get mad when someone else decides you should die.

[cantthinkofanything]

Doesn't matter. The potential for mass murder is there.

Your logic.

Well, sure the potential is there. But at some point, you've got to play the %s. There's a very minute chance that I'm going to commit any senseless acts of violence. But with both Travon and Zimmerman, the number is probably over 50% that they will participate in actions that leaves at least 1 person dead.. Let's just assume it is only 50% for each of them. That means the chance that at least one of them kills is 75%.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, sure the potential is there. But at some point, you've got to play the %s. There's a very minute chance that I'm going to commit any senseless acts of violence. But with both Travon and Zimmerman, the number is probably over 50% that they will participate in actions that leaves at least 1 person dead.. Let's just assume it is only 50% for each of them. That means the chance that at least one of them kills is 75%.No one is going to take your word for it. You're most likely lying about the chances you are going to be violent, so that's just another reason for you to die.

[cantthinkofanything]

No one is going to take your word for it. You're most likely lying about the chances you are going to be violent, so that's just another reason for you to die.

Hey, did you see that movie, In Time?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, did you see that movie, In Time?Nope.

[cantthinkofanything]

Nope.

What about Vanilla Sky?

[clambake]

you saw it in the movies. awesome

[cantthinkofanything]

you saw it in the movies. awesome

no. On the radio, they were saying it's Mark Wahlberg's b-day. I was thinking he was in that movie but it was Justin Timberlake. Anyway, the movie was barely average.

[Blake]

He's trying to speak. You lean your head close to his mouth. His last words are but a whisper..."my name is cantthinkofanything."

Lives and the time I spent reading your story saved.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hearing the prosecutor admit in court that he had no evidence that Zimmerman started the altercation will be a pretty big hill to climb IMHO. I just think that if there was any really damning evidence out there that it would have been leaked by now. It's not a matter of hiding it from Zimmerman's attorney...they are legally obligated to show them everything they have.


The defense is fighting to have the remaining evidence sealed as well. its not just the prosecution.



http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-24/justice/justice_florida-teen-shooting-motions_1_mails-statements-witnesses?_s=PM:JUSTICE

Maybe if you really, really, REALLY want it to be true it will be eventually. It's interesting watching you try.


You really are an ignorant ass that apparently can't read and comprehend simple sentences.

They both want the evidence sealed UNTIL THE TRIAL

The defense is not trying to get the evidence thrown out.

They don't want the media trying the case in public...they were damn near to having race riots down there until the press lost interest temporarily and moved on to cannibals.


Let's review:

1 You say:


It's not a matter of hiding it from Zimmerman's attorney...they are legally obligated to show them everything they have.

2 I say:


The defense is fighting to have the remaining evidence sealed as well. its not just the prosecution.

I understood you just fine.

The reason I said the part about maybe if you wish harder was because you said:


I just think that if there was any really damning evidence out there that it would have been leaked by now.

I just think that both parties are trying to keep the remaining evidence sealed and the reason why nothing more has leaked is because all three parties, prosecutors, defense, and court, want it that way.

Now the thing is you also said:


If the evidence changes I will change my opinion.

So I wonder: have you acknowledged that MMA witness has recanted? IOW, the guy you have touted claiming that Martin was beating on Zimmerman right before he shot him is no longer saying that. That's evidenced changed right?

[clambake]

no. On the radio, they were saying it's Mark Wahlberg's b-day. I was thinking he was in that movie but it was Justin Timberlake. Anyway, the movie was barely average.

but, to you it was like a documentary. cool

[cantthinkofanything]

but, to you it was like a documentary. cool

:lol

you're such an asshole

[ChumpDumper]

What about Vanilla Sky?Nope.

[cantthinkofanything]

Nope.

Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood?

[ChumpDumper]

Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood?Nope.

Seems like you watch a lot of shitty movies.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know why I waste my time with you. It appears you have more education, but that does not make up for your lack of intelligence and wisdom.

I pity you.

It's pretty obvious why you don't stop. I am doing a pretty good job giving specific examples of how you are dumb and why people should never listen to you so you are posturing with garbage like this.

Let's talk wisdom now dumbass because by implication you are saying that you have it.

To me, wisdom is about how one goes about making choices or coming to decisions in a broader sense. Weighing the options so to speak. The reason why it is claimed to come to those that are older is because by the time you reach that point you have had to make many of those choices so you are wise to the world, again so to speak.

The thing is though wisdom is not about making decisions on how you want the world to be but instead making decisions on how the world is. It is not about drawing conclusions on things that you are too stupid or ignorant to understand.

Quite the contrary, in fact, a huge part of wisdom is understanding when you are not in a position to make a claim. For example, I would never argue with CC about veterinary science, I would never argue with RG about accounting, I would never argue with Agloco about physics, I would never argue with GD about finance, and I would never argue with MiG about climate science.

In that, you demonstrate no wisdom whatsoever so in a way what I am doing here is imparting wisdom to you.

[cantthinkofanything]

Nope.

Seems like you watch a lot of shitty movies.

Yes...I do see a lot of shitty movies. I have a wife, an 11 year old, and a 17 year old. It's inevitable.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes...I do see a lot of shitty movies. I have a wife, an 11 year old, and a 17 year old. It's inevitable.They will be better off without you tbh.

[Blake]

Yes...I do see a lot of shitty movies. I have a wife, an 11 year old, and a 17 year old. It's inevitable.

Your stats seem to suggest your wife and kids need to go as well

[cantthinkofanything]

Your stats seem to suggest your wife and kids need to go as well

:lol well that's a sorry thing to say

[Blake]

:lol well that's a sorry thing to say

it's your film, I'm just narrating.

[Trill Clinton]

My brother, he should have stayed in the car and waited for the police. A person is dead and perhaps,god willing, it could have been avoided. I say could have only because Martin is clearly a violent man and a death somewhere down the road could have resulted if this one didn't happen. God bless


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/ecko-man/coleman_wtf.gif


fighting for one's life= violent?

[resistanze]

:lol well that's a sorry thing to say

If they're even half as retarded as you are, no not really.

[boutons_deux]

As I said about, these SYG laws are really "(You White Guys) Stand Your Ground"

Florida's Stand Your Ground Defense More Likely To Succeed If Victim Is Black

A newspaper report has found that the Stand Your Ground self-defense statute in Florida is more likely to succeed when the victim is black.

The Tampa Bay Times looked at 200 cases and found that in instances in which the victim was black, the person who invoked the defense went free 73 percent of the time. If the victim was white, the person walked free 59 percent of the time. The report also found that more than two thirds of all the people who invoked the law were acquitted, and that the defense is being invoked in more and more cases.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/stand-your-ground-defense-study_n_1575686.html?ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=060712&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

An additional interpretation besides racist, vigilantes whites killing blacks is dickless whites needing to carry guns to compensate for their chickehshit dicklessness.

[Wild Cobra]

Why didn't your link include how many carried a gun legally and how many didn't?

[cantthinkofanything]

As I said about, these SYG laws are really "(You White Guys) Stand Your Ground"

Florida's Stand Your Ground Defense More Likely To Succeed If Victim Is Black

A newspaper report has found that the Stand Your Ground self-defense statute in Florida is more likely to succeed when the victim is black.

The Tampa Bay Times looked at 200 cases and found that in instances in which the victim was black, the person who invoked the defense went free 73 percent of the time. If the victim was white, the person walked free 59 percent of the time. The report also found that more than two thirds of all the people who invoked the law were acquitted, and that the defense is being invoked in more and more cases.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/stand-your-ground-defense-study_n_1575686.html?ref=daily-brief?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=060712&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

An additional interpretation besides racist, vigilantes whites killing blacks is dickless whites needing to carry guns to compensate for their chickehshit dicklessness.

From this information, you can't even tell how many cases out of the 200 resulted in a white person being killed or a black person being killed.

It's a small sample size to begin with anyway. Way too small to make the claim in the headline.

[Creepn]

From this information, you can't even tell how many cases out of the 200 resulted in a white person being killed or a black person being killed.

It's a small sample size to begin with anyway. Way too small to make the claim in the headline.

HA!

I bet you if you took a bigger sample size, the percentage would increase for whites getting off while decreasing for the blacks. Come on now. Let's not be naive here. That's simply the way it is.

[CosmicCowboy]

From this information, you can't even tell how many cases out of the 200 resulted in a white person being killed or a black person being killed.

It's a small sample size to begin with anyway. Way too small to make the claim in the headline.

not to mention that if it was black on black homicide (which statistically is much more common than white on black homicide) the dead guy would be black but the beneficiary of the stand your ground law would also be black.

That was some fucked up twisted logic in that story and Boutons and Creepn swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

[clambake]

don't worry about george. when he was first arrested he told his lawyer that all he did in jail was read the bible.

then, 2 days before his bail hearing, he and his wife conspired and lied about the money.

god bless

[Creepn]

Why didn't your link include how many carried a gun legally and how many didn't?

So legally carrying a gun grants you permission of murder? That's what I'm getting from you if you are responding to that article.

[Creepn]

don't worry about george. when he was first arrested he told his lawyer that all he did in jail was read the bible.

then, 2 days before his bail hearing, he and his wife conspired and lied about the money.

god bless

Zimmerman leaning the Jack Sommerset shtick.

[Trill Clinton]

don't worry about george. when he was first arrested he told his lawyer that all he did in jail was read the bible.

then, 2 days before his bail hearing, he and his wife conspired and lied about the money.

god bless

this has the be the only time I've seen a person with a history of violence and deceit be looked upon as credible. but I think we all know why people are so willing to believe this cowards story

[Wild Cobra]

not to mention that if it was black on black homicide (which statistically is much more common than white on black homicide) the dead guy would be black but the beneficiary of the stand your ground law would also be black.

That was some fucked up twisted logic in that story and Boutons and Creepn swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
No shit.

Especially when they continue to support racism by pitting only black and white statistics.

I fail to understand the mentality of those who like such articles.

[Wild Cobra]

So legally carrying a gun grants you permission of murder? That's what I'm getting from you if you are responding to that article.
Or did you fail to consider what illegally carrying does to such a defense?

[cantthinkofanything]

HA!

I bet you if you took a bigger sample size, the percentage would increase for whites getting off while decreasing for the blacks. Come on now. Let's not be naive here. That's simply the way it is.

hmmm. sounds pretty scientific.

[boutons_deux]

so if you so if you, a black, carry illegally, and "feel" threatened by a skinhead, SYG law says you can't use your illegal weapon to shoot the skinhead?

[CosmicCowboy]

so if you so if you, a black, carry illegally, and "feel" threatened by a skinhead, SYG law says you can't use your illegal weapon to shoot the skinhead?

From a legal standpoint if it was a legitimate SYG shoot, he would not be charged with murder because of SYG, but he could be charged with illegal carry.

[Creepn]

not to mention that if it was black on black homicide (which statistically is much more common than white on black homicide) the dead guy would be black but the beneficiary of the stand your ground law would also be black.

That was some fucked up twisted logic in that story and Boutons and Creepn swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

So the author didn't bother to look up the race of the victims and the shooters in the cases before writing the article? Sorry I'm not going to eat your nasty ass bait on a rusty old hook. Those are for people like wild cobra.

[Creepn]

Or did you fail to consider what illegally carrying does to such a defense?

Shouldn't matter tbh.