Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[elbamba]

According to Florida's stalking law, it seems Zimmerman fits that crime imho. http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

He had his phone. He should have called the police. It is a good find, but the key to this statute, and I will cite the harsher punishment, is as follows:

Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, so. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Please note that the statute uses "and" and not "or". The question I would ask is Was Zimmerman repearedly following and harassing Martin? Without a definition of repeatedly, I am going to argue that it would have to have happened more than once.

[CosmicCowboy]

Martin was also older than 16.

[elbamba]

Doesn't look like it. See bold.



You can't get Zimmerman on (4) or (5) since Martin was over 16 and there wasn't any kind of previous restraining order. Since (2) and (3) require multiple encounters, it doesn't look like those would work either.

Looks like I was beating a dead horse.

[Goran Dragic]

I can say that if a young black guy with his pants hanging down over his ass and wearing a hoodie over his head was wandering around my neighborhood in the rain I'm pretty damn sure the police would get called.
Well at least you've admitted your racism up front. I give you props for that (Seriously)

[Wild Cobra]

Nope. Has no bearing on the shooting of Trayvon Martin. At all.

Neither did the hoodie, the school records, the tweets and the "scary pictures," for that matter.
I would disagree with the school records. If Martin really did the things stated, it goes towards his character.

[ChumpDumper]

I would disagree with the school records. If Martin really did the things stated, it goes towards his character.What is Martin on trial for, counselor?

[Fpoonsie]

Nope. Has no bearing on the shooting of Trayvon Martin. At all.

Neither did the hoodie, the school records, the tweets and the "scary pictures," for that matter.

I thought being purposely obtuse was Chump's m.o., not yours.

[Winehole23]

Trayvon Martin's character, good, bad or middling, is irrelevant to this case.

[Goran Dragic]

What if some pedophile sees a kid for the first time and follows him around the neighborhood in his car. What do you call that?
If the kid had a hoody on and had a grill, I'd consider it a perfectly reasonable suspicion.

[Goran Dragic]

Trayvon Martin's character, good, bad or middling, is irrelevant to this case.
The Republicans in this thread seem to disagree

[CosmicCowboy]

Well at least you've admitted your racism up front. I give you props for that (Seriously)
That's not racism, it's statistical reality. A person that is dressed like a gangsta and is wandering around in an upscale neighborhood that they don't live in is going to draw some attention.

[Sec24Row7]

Here are all of the kids Tweets...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/Trayvon-s-Tweets-the-Daily-Caller

[Fpoonsie]

Trayvon Martin's character, good, bad or middling, is irrelevant to this case.

If Zimmerman is claiming self-defense, it most certainly is not.

[Winehole23]

disagree...Trayvon Martin's actions on the day he died may matter, but speculation about his character based on past behaviors doesn't...whether or not Trayvon Martin was a good kid or a bad one has more rhetorical than legal significance, by miles...

[DisAsTerBot]

if anything it's prejudice, which we all are.

not the same as racism

[elbamba]

Perhaps but in order for that to happen, he needs to be apprehended. That's what it all boils down to.

Apprehended under what law? You do realize that if they arrest Zimmerman without probable cause, which they do not have despite all the public outrage, Zimmerman can turn around and file a 1983 case against the police department.

[Goran Dragic]

Under the Florida Stand Your Ground Law it does not. There is no distinction that I could find. Please feel free to cite a law or case that does.
The main legislatures who authored the law seem to disagree that it applies to Zimmerman at all. Peaden specifically said that Zimmerman lost his right to claim self defense under his law the minute he admitted to following him.

Then again I'm sure you know more about it than they do.

[Wild Cobra]

He had his phone. He should have called the police. It is a good find, but the key to this statute, and I will cite the harsher punishment, is as follows:

Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, so. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Please note that the statute uses "and" and not "or". The question I would ask is Was Zimmerman repearedly following and harassing Martin? Without a definition of repeatedly, I am going to argue that it would have to have happened more than once.
You have to remember, there are several people who don't understand the definitions of words like "if," "or," "and," etc. they know all the four letter words, but fall short in real comprehension.

[ChumpDumper]

If Zimmerman is claiming self-defense, it most certainly is not.He was defending himself from being defamed on Twitter!

[Sec24Row7]

That's not racism, it's statistical reality. A person that tries to dress like a gangsta and is wandering around in an upscale neighborhood that they don't live in is going to draw some attention.

Dude... They don't get it... it's not about the color of the kid its about the costume...

You see a black kid with a gun... and they will say are are racially profiling... never mind the fact that if you see a white kid with a gun you are going to act the same way...

Same deal with a hoody and ghetto clothes... walking around in a nice neighborhood... doesn't matter what color the dude is...

Read the Tweets... tell me if you don't think it is plausible that someone who had apparently bought into the hood rat lifestyle would be acting suspicious...

[Goran Dragic]

That's not racism, it's statistical reality. A person that is dressed like a gangsta and is wandering around in an upscale neighborhood that they don't live in is going to draw some attention.
The fact that you think being black is being "dressed like a gangsta" is racism.

[Goran Dragic]

He was defending himself from being defamed on Twitter!
And from being pelted with skittles

[ChumpDumper]

Dude... They don't get it... it's not about the color of the kid its about the costume...

You see a black kid with a gun... and they will say are are racially profiling... never mind the fact that if you see a white kid with a gun you are going to act the same way...

Same deal with a hoody and ghetto clothes... walking around in a nice neighborhood... doesn't matter what color the dude is...

Read the Tweets... tell me if you don't think it is plausible that someone who had apparently bought into the hood rat lifestyle would be acting suspicious...Again with the Twitter. :lol

[elbamba]

The main legislatures who authored the law seem to disagree that it applies to Zimmerman at all. Peaden specifically said that Zimmerman lost his right to claim self defense under his law the minute he admitted to following him.

Then again I'm sure you know more about it than they do.

Sure, I understand their point. There is heavy political pressure and it looks bad for them to say otherwise. However, I had served as defense lawyer for criminals in the past. Although I no longer do this kind of work, I can speak freely without having to worry about my elected office.

I learned how to read a law and argue a case based on how the law was written. Not on how the drafters intended the law to read or to whom they intended it to apply. In this case, whether they want to acknowlege it or not, they drafted a law that prohibits law enforcement from arresting Zimmerman for the shooting of Martin based on a theory of self-defense, that the police accepted after taking the statement of an eye-witness.

[DisAsTerBot]

Well at least you've admitted your racism up front. I give you props for that (Seriously)

that's definitely an area CC has got you in



or are you just racist on the anonymity of the internet?

[Goran Dragic]

Dude... They don't get it... it's not about the color of the kid its about the costume...
CosmicCowboy just said it's about the color.


You see a black kid with a gun... and they will say are are racially profiling...never mind the fact that if you see a white kid with a gun you are going to act the same way...
Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun, he saw a kid with skittles.


Same deal with a hoody and ghetto clothes... walking around in a nice neighborhood... doesn't matter what color the dude is...
So wearing a hoody when it's raining outside is a problem? Do people in nice neighborhoods not wear hoodies :lol


Read the Tweets... tell me if you don't think it is plausible that someone who had apparently bought into the hood rat lifestyle would be acting suspicious...
Zimmerman had no knowledge of these tweets.


terms like "hoodrat lifestyle" and "ghetto clothes" are rarely used by non-racist people :lol

[Wild Cobra]

I learned how to read a law and argue a case based on how the law was written. Not on how the drafters intended the law to read or to whom they intended it to apply. In this case, whether they want to acknowlege it or not, they drafted a law that prohibits law enforcement from arresting Zimmerman for the shooting of Martin based on a theory of self-defense, that the police accepted after taking the statement of an eye-witness.

This takes me back to wanting a requirement that laws have a purpose and scope, and that the black and white isn't used outside the stated intent.

[Fpoonsie]

disagree...Trayvon Martin's actions on the day he died may matter, but speculation about his character based on past behaviors doesn't...whether or not Trayvon Martin was a good kid or a bad one has more rhetorical than legal significance, by miles...

But what else are you left with, at this point? The kid's dead, and can't plead his case. The man under all this heat is claiming self-defense w/ regards to an altercation w/ a young person he deemed as "suspicious." After that, there's just a bunch of conjecture.

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicCowboy just said it's about the color.


Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun, he saw a kid with skittles.


So wearing a hoody when it's raining outside is a problem? Do people in nice neighborhoods not wear hoodies :lol


Zimmerman had no knowledge of these tweets.


terms like "hoodrat lifestyle" and "ghetto clothes" are rarely used by non-racist people :lol

Says the white punk walking around with his pants falling off trying desperately to be ghetto cool.

[Goran Dragic]

Sure, I understand their point. There is heavy political pressure and it looks bad for them to say otherwise. However, I had served as defense lawyer for criminals in the past. Although I no longer do this kind of work, I can speak freely without having to worry about my elected office.
Peaden is a former senator with no elected office he needs to worry about. Try again.


I learned how to read a law and argue a case based on how the law was written. Not on how the drafters intended the law to read or to whom they intended it to apply. In this case, whether they want to acknowlege it or not, they drafted a law that prohibits law enforcement from arresting Zimmerman for the shooting of Martin based on a theory of self-defense, that the police accepted after taking the statement of an eye-witness.
Arrest requires probable cause. What part of the law destroys any probable cause the police have?

[Fpoonsie]

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun, he saw a kid with skittles.


He saw a kid w/ something tucked into his belt, according to the 911 call.

[Goran Dragic]

Says the white punk walking around with his pants falling off trying desperately to be ghetto cool.
:lmao that's your response? Making some random assumption about me :lmao

[Goran Dragic]

that's definitely an area CC has got you in



or are you just racist on the anonymity of the internet?
Racial jokes when you make them about every group imaginable are one thing (especially when you're Jewish and make as many holocaust jokes as anyone you know).

Sympathizing with someone who shot an innocent black kid to death is actually racist.

[ChumpDumper]

Says the white punk walking around with his pants falling off trying desperately to be ghetto cool.:lol Is there a picture somewhere?

[Goran Dragic]

He saw a kid w/ something tucked into his belt, according to the 911 call.
:lol so you have reason to fear for you life when you see someone with something tucked in his belt in case it MIGHT be a gun?

[Sec24Row7]

Calling someone a Hood rat and ghetto is racist?

Man... they keep moving the lines on me all the time.

I thought Ghetto and Hood Rat were lifestyle choices, unlike race which is something pre-determined like sex, sexuality and Intelligence.

Can I be racist against a lifestyle choice?

You got me though... I am extremely intolerant of people who act and dress like being a thug is cool.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol so you have reason to fear for you life when you see someone with something tucked in his belt in case it MIGHT be a gun?The dude who made the call DID have a gun.

[CosmicCowboy]

Arrest requires probable cause. What part of the law destroys any probable cause the police have?

Well the fact that Martin had beaten the shit out of Zimmerman and was on top of him slamming his head into the concrete can be interpreted by reasonable people (including the prosecutor and the police) that Zimmerman had a reasonable fear for his life.

[Fpoonsie]

:lol so you have reason to fear for you life when you see someone with something tucked in his belt in case it MIGHT be a gun?

Not at all. You said he "saw Skittles."

He didn't.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol Is there a picture somewhere?
I'll admit, when it's raining outside, I enjoy the protection a hoody gives my head from getting wet. Only people tryna act "ghetto cool" do ridiculous stuff like wear a hoody when it's raining out, but I'm one of them. CC has the goods on me there.

[Goran Dragic]

Not at all. You said he "saw Skittles."

He didn't.
I said he saw a kid with skittles.

Martin was a kid with skittles.

Zimmerman saw Martin.

Hence, Zimmerman saw a kid with skittles.

[Sec24Row7]

:lmao that's your response? Making some random assumption about me :lmao

You're one of 15+ screen names used by the same fucking loser who steals from his employer (if you are in fact employed) by posting on internet message boards all day instead of doing your fucking job.

Too Close to home?

[hater]

Calling someone a Hood rat and ghetto is racist?

no but calling someone Hood rat and ghetto merely because they are sporting black skin and are wearing loose clothing and hoodies is damn racist

[Goran Dragic]

Well the fact that Martin had beaten the shit out of Zimmerman and was on top of him slamming his head into the concrete can be interpreted by reasonable people (including the prosecutor and the police) that Zimmerman had a reasonable fear for his life.
Where is the proof that Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman?

I still don't know why a medical examiner didn't do a report on Zimmerman's physical condition to corroborate his story.

[hater]

Where is the proof that Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman?

I still don't know why a medical examiner didn't do a report on Zimmerman's physical condition to corroborate his story.

no need to corroborate. All that mattered is Zimmerman had the right skin shade.

[Fpoonsie]

I said he saw a kid with skittles.

Martin was a kid with skittles.

Zimmerman saw Martin.

Hence, Zimmerman saw a kid with skittles.

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun.

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with Skittles.

Zimmerman saw a kid with "his hands in his waistband" and a kid with "something in his hands."

[Goran Dragic]

You're one of 15+ screen names used by the same fucking loser who steals from his employer (if you are in fact employed) by posting on internet message boards all day instead of doing your fucking job.

Too Close to home?
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao what?

I'm a student and don't have any class on Tuesdays. I work part time and am too busy at work to ever post.

:lol attacking my posting frequency and making some random claim I steal from my employer.

[Sec24Row7]

no but calling someone Hood rat and ghetto merely because they are sporting black skin and are wearing loose clothing and hoodies is damn racist

Ahhh... even if the kid is white then?

Edit: nice edit...

[hater]

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun.

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with Skittles.

Zimmerman saw a kid with "his hands in his waistband" and a kid with "something in his hands."

and that's reason enough to believe he is dangerous?

[Goran Dragic]

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with a gun.

Zimmerman didn't see a kid with Skittles.

Zimmerman saw a kid with "his hands in his waistband" and a kid with "something in his hands."
I never said Zimmerman actually saw the skittles the kid had, I said he saw a kid with skittles. Are you denying the fact he saw a kid who had skittles?

[DarrinS]

Where is the proof that Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman?

I still don't know why a medical examiner didn't do a report on Zimmerman's physical condition to corroborate his story.


Police report and eyewitness accounts.


Medical examiners do reports on dead people. FYI.

[Sec24Row7]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao what?

I'm a student and don't have any class on Tuesdays. I work part time and am too busy at work to ever post.

:lol attacking my posting frequency and making some random claim I steal from my employer.

Being a student explains your lack of worldliness and passion about shit you know nothing about.

Thanks for the clarification.

[hater]

Police report

which is already under investigation by the Feds


and eyewitness accounts.

link? as far as I know. Noone saw the "scuffle"

[Fpoonsie]

I never said Zimmerman actually saw the skittles the kid had, I said he saw a kid with skittles. Are you denying the fact he saw a kid who had skittles?

I'm denying the "fact" that he felt threatened by a kid he "saw with Skittles."

He made a mistake assuming what was in this kid's hands was anything remotely threatening. Never claimed otherwise.

[Goran Dragic]

Being a student explains your lack of worldliness and passion about shit you know nothing about.

Thanks for the clarification.
:lol so I went from a loser who steals from his employer to a student who lacks worldliness.

Seems like you have a passion for someone you know nothing about :lol

[Wild Cobra]

Police report and eyewitness accounts.


Medical examiners do reports on dead people. FYI.
I wonder what they will report to the police about the condition of his knuckles...

[Goran Dragic]

I'm denying the "fact" that he felt threatened by a kid he "saw with Skittles."
I never said he felt threatened by a kid because he saw skittles. I simply said he saw a kid with skittles. This strawman is going nowhere for you.

[Wild Cobra]

Says the white punk walking around with his pants falling off trying desperately to be ghetto cool.
I never understood how a fad started with people thinking it's cool to wear pants like a Prison Fairy.

[Fpoonsie]

link? as far as I know. Noone saw the "scuffle"

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/witness_supports_self_defense_story_hJ7s3EBd9LtYlZ aE41WzFP

[CosmicCowboy]

Where is the proof that Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman?

I still don't know why a medical examiner didn't do a report on Zimmerman's physical condition to corroborate his story.

If you are too stupid or lazy to read at least one of the multitude of articles on the subject (or even he police report someone posted earlier in the thread) then why don't you get the fuck out of this conversation? Zimmerman had a broken nose and contusions on the back of his head consistent with being slammed into the concrete. He was treated at the scene by EMS.

[Fpoonsie]

I never said he felt threatened by a kid because he saw skittles. I simply said he saw a kid with skittles. This strawman is going nowhere for you.

I'll readily admit that I may've been wrong when inferring what I thought you were implying.

[Sec24Row7]

I never understood how a fad started with people thinking it's cool to wear pants like a Prison Fairy.

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[Goran Dragic]

Police report and eyewitness accounts.


Medical examiners do reports on dead people. FYI.
Victims of beatings don't ever get examined?

Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "beaten up" other than a police report that's being investigated right now?

[Goran Dragic]

If you are too stupid or lazy to read at least one of the multitude of articles on the subject (or even he police report someone posted earlier in the thread) then why don't you get the fuck out of this conversation? Zimmerman had a broken nose and contusions on the back of his head consistent with being slammed into the concrete.
I'd believe that if I saw pictures/evidence of these injuries Zimmerman suffered. I don't believe a word in the police report. If I did I'd believe Zimmerman was defending himself.

[ChumpDumper]

Says the white punk walking around with his pants falling off trying desperately to be ghetto cool.Seriously, CC -- where did you get this?

[elbamba]

Peaden is a former senator with no elected office he needs to worry about. Try again.

And that proves that Zimmerman should have been arrested how?



Arrest requires probable cause. What part of the law destroys any probable cause the police have?

I'll give this to you one time but I acknowledge that it is a complete waste of my time trying to explain this to you.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.


Your fact issue here is whether it was reasonable for Zimmerman to believe that he needed to use deadly force to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. This will not be a hard case to make considering the injuries he suffered at the scene of the incident.

Please note that this law says nothing about who is pursuing who nor does it really call into consideration any circumstantial evidence. Therefore, I do not care if he was right to follow Martin and if he exceeded his position of community watcher.


776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

In sum, eye witness says he saw Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
Zimmerman says Martin was beating the crap out of him.
Zimmerman says he was fearful of death and/or great bodily harm.

=

No probable cause for the police to suspect that use of force was unlawful.

That is where we are in this case. That is why there has not been an arrest. If evidence shows that use of force was unlawful, then they can arrest Zimmerman. Those are the relevant facts of the case based on the local police departments findings. A prosecutor cannot then step in and bring an action if the police say there is nothing to see here.

The Florida Law doesn't care about twitter messages, criminal records, racism or anything else.

[CosmicCowboy]

Victims of beatings don't ever get examined?

Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "beaten up" other than a police report that's being investigated right now?

Well, Zimmerman was treated at the scene by EMS. Are you claiming they are lying too? It's all a conspiracy to cover up the murder of that poor innocent black child?

[CosmicCowboy]

Seriously, CC -- where did you get this?

No actual factual basis. His posts just style like some pimple faced wanna be bad ass.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'd believe that if I saw pictures/evidence of these injuries Zimmerman suffered. I don't believe a word in the police report. If I did I'd believe Zimmerman was defending himself.

Yeah, considering the facts I have heard so far this sounds like a reasonable conclusion.

[hater]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/witness_supports_self_defense_story_hJ7s3EBd9LtYlZ aE41WzFP

"alleged"

[Goran Dragic]

Well, Zimmerman was treated at the scene by EMS. Are you claiming they are lying too?
Is there a statement from the EMS people who treated him? Any kind of record of the treatment he received?


It's all a conspiracy to cover up the murder of that poor innocent black child?
Call me crazy for thinking cops in a Southern predominantly white town MIGHT do stuff to cover up the murder of black people after their evidence and report get handed to the feds for further investigating.
http://content9.flixster.com/movie/10/95/08/10950843_det.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

Ok. You're crazy.

[Wild Cobra]

Victims of beatings don't ever get examined?

Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "beaten up" other than a police report that's being investigated right now?
I posted a linked earlier to the police department web site. What they have released so far is that Zimmereman was hurt and treated by a medical team at the site. They said said injuries were consistent with self defense.

Look at the last two paragraphs here (http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf) on page 3.

Read this (http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf) as well.

[Fpoonsie]

"alleged"

Well, yeah, there's a lot of that going around.

[hater]

Well, yeah, there's a lot of that going around.

thus why I said, nobody knows what happened. Either way.

All we know is an unarmed man was shot point blank and the shooter was let go without proper investigation by merely claiming self defense. thus why the Feds are involved.

[Goran Dragic]

And that proves that Zimmerman should have been arrested how?
It proves that Peaden wasn't just saying that for political reasons, which is what you implied.




I'll give this to you one time but I acknowledge that it is a complete waste of my time trying to explain this to you.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.


Your fact issue here is whether it was reasonable for Zimmerman to believe that he needed to use deadly force to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. This will not be a hard case to make considering the injuries he suffered at the scene of the incident.

Please note that this law says nothing about who is pursuing who nor does it really call into consideration any circumstantial evidence. Therefore, I do not care if he was right to follow Martin and if he exceeded his position of community watcher.


776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

In sum, eye witness says he saw Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
Zimmerman says Martin was beating the crap out of him.
Zimmerman says he was fearful of death and/or great bodily harm.

=

No probable cause for the police to suspect that use of force was unlawful.

That is where we are in this case. That is why there has not been an arrest. If evidence shows that use of force was unlawful, then they can arrest Zimmerman. Those are the relevant facts of the case based on the local police departments findings. A prosecutor cannot then step in and bring an action if the police say there is nothing to see here.

The Florida Law doesn't care about twitter messages, criminal records, racism or anything else.
You originally said it "prohibited police from arresting him." I never disputed the fact that the law gave them a reason for why they didn't arrest him. Prohibited =/= gave a reason.

So please, explain to me how it destroyed any probable cause the cops had (since that's what it had to have done in order for it to "prohibit arrest")

[Sec24Row7]

Don't punch people in the face on the street and you have less chance of getting shot.

[DarrinS]

Victims of beatings don't ever get examined?

Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "beaten up" other than a police report that's being investigated right now?





While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered with grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding, from the nose and the back of his head.

...

Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."



http://www.scribd.com/doc/86368480/Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Initial-Report

[ChumpDumper]

Don't punch people in the face on the street and you have less chance of getting shot.And don't wear a hoodie, Geraldo.

[ChumpDumper]

Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."You had already called the real police, Charles Bronson.

[Fpoonsie]

point blank

...?

[elbamba]

Ok. You're crazy.

Police love mexicans. Didn't you know?

[Goran Dragic]

I posted a linked earlier to the police department web site. What they have released so far is that Zimmereman was hurt and treated by a medical team at the site. They said said injuries were consistent with self defense.

Look at the last two paragraphs here (http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf) on page 3.

Read this (http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf) as well.
Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.

[elbamba]

It proves that Peaden wasn't just saying that for political reasons, which is what you implied.




You originally said it "prohibited police from arresting him." I never disputed the fact that the law gave them a reason for why they didn't arrest him. Prohibited =/= gave a reason.

So please, explain to me how it destroyed any probable cause the cops had (since that's what it had to have done in order for it to "prohibit arrest")

No, because I don't have to win a case against you. I have shown plenty to defend my position. You offer nothing but more questions and inflamatory rehtoric. Not worth my time anymore.

[Sec24Row7]

And don't wear a hoodie, Geraldo.

I could give a shit if he was dressed like Elvis... if I'm on the ground getting my face pounded and the dude is grabbing for my gun... It isn't good for his health.

[Fpoonsie]

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.

What's there to argue, then, if you don't believe what's put forth as "evidence"?

[ChumpDumper]

I could give a shit if he was dressed like Elvis... if I'm on the ground getting my face pounded and the dude is grabbing for my gun... It isn't good for his health.Grabbing for your gun?

Man, this story gets better with every telling.

[DarrinS]

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.


Yeah, they probably planted Zimmerman's blood on the curb too.

[Goran Dragic]

What's there to argue, then, if you don't believe what's put forth as "evidence"?
Ask the FBI since they have the same doubts about the police report that I have.

If they thought the police report was 100% factual and truthful, I doubt they'd be investigating the police department that created it.

I also doubt the chief of said department would go on leave.

[ChumpDumper]

Well it's good to know that anyone can provoke a fight and just blow a guy away if he's losing the fight he started.

[Sec24Row7]

Grabbing for your gun?

Man, this story gets better with every telling.

That's what they were saying was his story yesterday... and honestly... if someone has a gun... it doesn't take much for that person to feel like the person on top of them is going for it.

This guy is going to get no billed on this thing...

You guys just better deal with it.

The kid did something really fucking stupid and died... its tragic... but shit happens...

It's not worth getting worked up over.

[DarrinS]

Well it's good to know that anyone can provoke a fight and just blow a guy away if he's losing the fight he started.


Change the law

[VBM]

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/assets_c/2012/03/utcartoon-thumb-555x312.jpg

From The Daily Texan

[ChumpDumper]

That's what they were saying was his story yesterday... and honestly... if someone has a gun... it doesn't take much for that person to feel like the person on top of them is going for it.

This guy is going to get no billed on this thing...

You guys just better deal with it.

The kid did something really fucking stupid and died... its tragic... but shit happens...

It's not worth getting worked up over.I know he's going to skate, since he's blameless according to you.

I guess that makes everything alright.

I feel better already.

[Goran Dragic]

The kid did something really fucking stupid and died
What did he do that was really fuckin stupid? Accept the hoodrat lifestyle?

[Sec24Row7]

Change the law

That's already illegal under the law...

In order for this guy not to go to jail... the police have to be convinced that the kid started it.

[ChumpDumper]

What did he do that was really fuckin stupid? Accept the hoodrat lifestyle?It was the ghetto tweets.

[Sec24Row7]

What did he do that was really fuckin stupid? Accept the hoodrat lifestyle?

Well that's one of them. It's no secret that lifestyle shortens your life expectancy.

[Goran Dragic]

Well that's one of them.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmaoShut up and pull up your pants, ghetto tweeter!

[Goran Dragic]

Shut up and pull up your pants, ghetto tweeter!
Get off this message board and quit stealing from your employer you fuckin thief!

[ChumpDumper]

Get off this message board and quit stealing from your employer you fuckin thief!I think anyone making that accusation during business hours needs to state from where he's posting.

I work odd hours, but you can tell when I'm at work because I'm not posting.

[CosmicCowboy]

Ask the FBI since they have the same doubts about the police report that I have.

If they thought the police report was 100% factual and truthful, I doubt they'd be investigating the police department that created it.

I also doubt the chief of said department would go on leave.

The FBI and Justice Department are down there because the media, and then Obama politicized it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think anyone making that accusation during business hours needs to state from where he's posting.

I work odd hours, but you can tell when I'm at work because I'm not posting.

He's self employed like I am.

[Goran Dragic]

I think anyone making that accusation during business hours needs to state from where he's posting.
I think anyone making that accusation when it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand is simply desperate and throwing darts blind folded (but not the electric ones that hoodrats use) and hoping some are accurate :lol

[Goran Dragic]

The FBI and Justice Department are down there because the media, and then Obama politicized it.
Well no shit, this wouldn't really be on their radar without the media attention.

It also wouldn't be on their radar if they didn't think it was worth digging into.

[ChumpDumper]

He's self employed like I am.As am I, though apparently you both still post from work. I could, but what would be the point?

[boutons_deux]

The FBI and Justice Department are down there because the media, and then Obama politicized it.

Obama?

What Everyone Needs To Know About The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin (1995-2012)

1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin’s Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]

2. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]

3. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed “like a wannabe gangster.” Bill O’Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that “everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store” was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]

4. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]

5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]

6. Zimmerman’s friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said “I’m staying with my parents.” Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

[ChumpDumper]

I think anyone making that accusation when it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand is simply desperate and throwing darts blind folded (but not the electric ones that hoodrats use) and hoping some are accurate :lolIn his case, I guess he feels really superior an entitled to post from work. That's one way to look at it, I suppose.

And I guess their pants are very high-waisted.

[Frank Dux]

Don't punch people in the face on the street and you have less chance of getting shot.

Don't stalk innocent children at night while armed with one in the chamber and you'll be a lot less likely to murder a kid.

Also, don't pick a fight with a kid and then call it "self defense" because you lost—to a kid.

[Winehole23]

But what else are you left with, at this point? The kid's dead, and can't plead his case. The man under all this heat is claiming self-defense w/ regards to an altercation w/ a young person he deemed as "suspicious." After that, there's just a bunch of conjecture.You brought plenty, for sure. Almost all of it relating to Trayvon Martin...

[Winehole23]

nm

[Frank Dux]

Obama?

What Everyone Needs To Know About The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin (1995-2012)

1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin’s Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]

2. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days “after being found with an empty marijuana baggie.” There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It’s unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]

3. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed “like a wannabe gangster.” Bill O’Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that “everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store” was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]

4. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]

5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]

6. Zimmerman’s friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said “I’m staying with my parents.” Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/26/452310/what-everyone-needs-to-know-about-the-smear-campaign-against-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/

The smear campaign against this boy is in full effect and it's disgusting. You've got a lot of people in this country who are still afraid of people of color (especially when they wear sweat shirts apparently) in 2012, and because of their own warped, movie–influenced perceptions they think that their irrational fear somehow makes this whole situation justifiable.

[Sec24Row7]

As am I, though apparently you both still post from work. I could, but what would be the point?

You actually have spent about 20 times more on this board than I have in the last 8 years... with my average of 1 post per day and yours of 20ish since the middle of 2003...

You can't argue that your ass has spent one hell of a lot more time doing nothing but trolling on a message board.

[ChumpDumper]

You actually have spent about 20 times more on this board than I have in the last 8 years... with my average of 1 post per day and yours of 20ish since the middle of 2003...

You can't argue that your ass has spent one hell of a lot more time doing nothing but trolling on a message board.You have a funny way of arguing things that are not in question.

We were talking about your smug superiority complex reflected in your ad hominem attack.

[ChumpDumper]

Me: You're a dick for making baseless ad hominem attacks.

Sec24Row7: :cry You post more than I do! :cry

[Fpoonsie]

You brought plenty, for sure. Almost all of it relating to Trayvon Martin...

Of course. Did I ever present anything as indisputable fact?

[Sec24Row7]

You have a funny way of arguing things that are not in question.

We were talking about your smug superiority complex reflected in your ad hominem attack.

I'm sorry, I thought trolls like Goran Tragic were "shoot on site".

And it's not a complex. I am better than you. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry, I thought trolls like Goran Tragic were "shoot on site".It's sight.


And it's not a complex. I am better than you. :toastSee above. :toast

[Sec24Row7]

It's sight.

See above. :toast

Either applies...

[Goran Dragic]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1253364/59ffce4544f0975f5be32bf71778c14a_width_640x.jpg

:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

it's not a complex. I am better than you. :toast
wow

[ChumpDumper]

Either applies...Yeah...No. You just got it wrong. It happens.

[Nbadan]

Don't stalk innocent children at night while armed with one in the chamber and you'll be a lot less likely to murder a kid.

Also, don't pick a fight with a kid and then call it "self defense" because you lost—to a kid.

This all centers around who provoked the confrontation...there are opposing opinions and reports...according to what I've read about this, I don't see Trayon provoking this unless he felt that he was being followed by Zimmerman or intimidated, then he has every right under 'stand your ground' to protect himself...that the crazy thing about this stupid law...I think a grand jury is warranted, and I think Zimmerman will be questioned again and again...there are serious inconsistencies in his story that the locals failed to follow up on...

[Nbadan]

wow

Give it up already...Chumpy is the King Troll.....

[Halberto]

This is why I don't waste my time with long threads^

Flame away

[Goran Dragic]

They didn't fail to follow up, they deliberately decided not to follow up :lol

It's also gonna be interesting if it's uncovered that daddeh being a judge got him off the hook for an arrest (since he had 3) that, if the charges stuck, woulda prevented him from being able to carry a gun.

[Nbadan]

The smear campaign against this boy is in full effect and it's disgusting. You've got a lot of people in this country who are still afraid of people of color (especially when they wear sweat shirts apparently) in 2012, and because of their own warped, movie–influenced perceptions they think that their irrational fear somehow makes this whole situation justifiable.

Very telling....even more so since wing-nuts have clung to the 'Zimmerman is a hispanic' talking point....it's disgusting really..

[Nbadan]

They didn't fail to follow up, they deliberately decided not to follow up

Bham....there you have it, the FBI isn't just investigating Zimmerman, they are investigating the locals to...rightly so, this case was handled very, very poorly and now it's blown up in their face...

[GSH]

If they thought the police report was 100% factual and truthful, I doubt they'd be investigating the police department that created it.




Oh, yes, because if someone gets investigated, they must have done something criminal. You've actually decided that a police report was faked, because it's being investigated. That's every bit as bad as saying "the kid was black and wearing a hoodie, so he must be a criminal.

You moonbats ARE the exact thing you claim to hate so much. Fucking Nazis among us.

[Goran Dragic]

You've actually decided that a police report was faked, because it's being investigated. That's every bit as bad as saying "the kid was black and wearing a hoodie, so he must be a criminal.

:lol thinking that's even close to the same thing.

Do legitimate police reports generally get investigated by the FBI?

[GSH]

:lol thinking that's even close to the same thing.

Do legitimate police reports generally get investigated by the FBI?

Does the FBI ever investigate something, and find that no crime was committed?


When getting investigated is equal to a guilty verdict, we're all fucked. You too.

[Nbadan]

(someone is gonna feel stupid when it comes out how poorly this was investigated)

[Goran Dragic]

Does the FBI ever investigate something, and find that no crime was committed?
Answer my question first and I'll answer that.



When getting investigated is equal to a guilty verdict, we're all fucked. You too.
When walking down the street in a hoody gives someone a justifiable reason to pursue you and kill you if you try to fight back, we're REALLY fucked.

[Nbadan]

This stinks of corruption....


According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer …

http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/

Despite these charges this guy was still granted a CCW? What the fuck Florida?

[Goran Dragic]

There weren't any charges.

That kinda stuff can happen when daddeh is a judge

[Nbadan]

No wonder this guy thought he was dirty harry....

[Fabbs]

http://www.iphoneworld.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/lionel-hutz-iphone.gif
"Your honor, I'd like to move for that....contingency......thing."

There there multi. :lol

[GSH]

(someone is gonna feel stupid when it comes out how poorly this was investigated)

If there are facts to back it up, I say fry 'em. I've always said that. I just wait for facts to decide. Even if it comes out that they guy is guilty, and the investigation was handled poorly, you guys are still Nazis.

[Creepn]

Like I sasid, bigger forces are at work here.

[Nbadan]

If there are facts to back it up, I say fry 'em. I've always said that. I just wait for facts to decide. Even if it comes out that they guy is guilty, and the investigation was handled poorly, you guys are still Nazis.

Yes we are. Hale Hitler!

....so much for FAUX News star 'anonymous witness'...should have known that was bullshit...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg#/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg

[GSH]

Well well, (straight copy and paste)

The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

Stalking is illegal.

OOH WELL WELL,

The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force,

Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal now was he? He had a right to be there as well. Hmmm...

If he attacked Zimmerman first, then he did something very illegal. Thats what juries are for. The media doesn't get to decide, based on rumor and innuendo.



Now if you were only smart enough to understand what that means. It means that it all hinges on which one actually attacked the other. It means that if Trayvon really attacked Zimmerman first, that Zimmerman is not guilty. Or, if Zimmerman did something to Trayvon that can be considered an attack, then he's guilty as hell. Exactly what I've sad from the start.

But you don't know those facts, do you? There appears to have been enough evidence at the scene to make the police think Zimmerman may have been telling the truth. If he wasn't, fry his ass. You want so badly to find a way to justify the fact that you made up your mind without any evidence. But you're not going to justify your lynch mob mentality, no matter what you say.

[GSH]

Yes we are. Hale Hitler!

....so much for FAUX News star 'anonymous witness'...should have known that was bullshit...

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg#/video/crime/2012/03/19/bts-florida-martin-teen-shooting-witnesses.wkmg

LOL... once again, you idiot, you don't know the facts. That "witness" has re-vamped her story twice now. She's not the one they have been talking about on Fox. That one, apparently, described a man in red laying on the ground, getting the shit pounded out of him. Trayvon wasn't wearing red. You keep jumping to stupid conclusions, because you want so badly for it to come out the way you've already decided.

For the record, this woman handed a written statement to the police (through her sister) the night it happened. That statement was very different from the one she is making now. I don't know whether she was lying before, or if she's lying now. I just think it's good to question when a witness changes their story.

I'm sure it doesn't bother you at all.

[Nbadan]

Angela B. Corey, a veteran prosecutor, said she is well aware of the public's demands for answers in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in what has become a racially charged case triggering nationwide outrage.

"We stepped into this case Thursday night," Corey told The Times. "We're asking -- we're begging people -- just give us a chance."

In a sign of how feverishly her team is working on the case, Corey said her probe could possibly result in state charges that bypass the need for the Seminole County Grand Jury, which is slated to convene April 10 to hear the case.

"It's possible that we’ll just make a decision without the grand jury," she said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-special-prosecutor-pleads-for-patience-20120327,0,1949206.story?track=rss

[Nbadan]

That one,

Do your own homework before you pick fight here......FAUX news only identifies the witness in their story as 'John'...a ' an anonymous witness'....where are these witnesses original statements? or are you just repeating hearsay?

[ploto]

It looks to me (based on the FACTS I have read and heard) like a horrible misunderstanding by both parties that escalated into the beating of one subject and the tragic death of the other. Apparently the prosecutor and police agree with me.

You can not write off Zimmerman's original actions as simply being a misunderstanding. The kid was doing absolutely nothing to reasonably cause Zimmerman to claim he must be on drugs and suspicious.

[Fpoonsie]

The kid was doing absolutely nothing to reasonably cause Zimmerman to claim he must be on drugs and suspicious.

Um...is that your eyewitness account?

[Goran Dragic]

Um...is that your eyewitness account?
No, it's the fact that the Zimmerman described behavior during the 911 call that gave no legitimate reason for him to be suspicious.

[Fpoonsie]

No, it's the fact that the Zimmerman described behavior during the 911 call that gave no legitimate reason for him to be suspicious.

Zimmerman claimed that the teen "looked like he was up to no good." Subjective? Absolutely. Flimsy excuse to pursue this guy on foot? Yep.

Can ploto say with absolute certainty that TM did NOTHING to warrant ANY suspicion? No.

[Goran Dragic]

Can ploto say with absolute certainty that TM did NOTHING to warrant ANY suspicion?
Yes.

[Winehole23]

^^^ Behold the fair-minded skeptic at work: hurls innuendos carelessly at Trayvon Martin, then defends Zimmerman against all comers.

[Goran Dragic]

^^^ Behold the fair-minded skeptic at work: hurls innuendos carelessly at Trayvon Martin, then defends Zimmerman against all comers.
:lmao

[Fpoonsie]

Yes.

No.

[Fpoonsie]

^^^ Behold the fair-minded skeptic at work: hurls innuendos carelessly at Trayvon Martin, then defends Zimmerman against all comers.

No. I've repeatedly said that Zimmerman is at fault for numerous things in this completely fucked situation, including pursuing TM on foot in the first place.

[Winehole23]

oh, what other things besides the pursuit?

[Winehole23]

the ordinary sense of numerous is more than one

[Fpoonsie]

oh, what other things besides the pursuit?


the ordinary sense of numerous is more than one

What else matters? The pursuit is what ultimately led to TM's death.

[Winehole23]

probably in a misguided attempt to make yourself seem more empathetic and fair-minded than you really are, you say you said Zimmerman was at fault for "numerous things."

What were those things?

What else matters? Telling the truth. Looks like you fudged.

(If you didn't, you should be able to list the numerous things you have held Zimmerman at fault for in this thread. Easily.)

[Winehole23]

Pointing out the difference between one and many may be pedantic, but not knowing the difference is ignorant, and pretending the difference is trivial is bullshit.

[Goran Dragic]

probably in a misguided attempt to make yourself seem more empathetic and fair-minded than you really are
ding ding ding!

[Winehole23]

eh, who knows why people fib?

[Goran Dragic]

Kinda random, but the way he's saying "For the record, I think Zimmerman was wrong on several things (followed by 3 paragraphs about how Martin is a shady hoodrat)" is eerily similar to when lakers fans in the NBA forum always say "for the record, I think Jordan is way better than Kobe (followed by a retarded essay that discounts everything Jordan did and glorifies everything Kobe did)"

[Winehole23]

what part of "X is similar to Y" is furtive or misleading?

[Winehole23]

in other words, it isn't

[Wild Cobra]

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.
What about the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him, told martin to stop and he was going to call the police. He went to his apartment to call the police, heard the shot, and when he looked out the window, martin was down.

[Goran Dragic]

What about the witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him, told martin to stop and he was going to call the police. He went to his apartment to call the police, heard the shot, and when he looked out the window, martin was down.
You mean the unidentified witness who refuses to go on camera and wants to be referred to as "John" while claiming he was gonna dial 911 and never did?

Na, don't believe him either.

[Goran Dragic]

Tbh I give a shit about seeing that fat fuck go to jail more than anything :lol The clueless be@ner look on his face is one of the most punchable things I've ever seen, and it's something that would be put to great use in prison swallowing semen.

[Winehole23]

you guys deserve each other. late.

[Goran Dragic]

whether or not the dude's guilty of murder shouldn't matter at all actually, he was already guilty of being be@ner first which should be a capitol offense.
:lol exactly. Does anyone look at this greesy fat fuck and actually think he's a respectable member of society :lmao

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/George-Zimmerman-racial-slur.jpg

[Winehole23]

go for it

[Goran Dragic]

goran now that i htink about it, dude looks eerily similar to a light skinned version of somebody else i know (and you know who im talking about too)
I knew his picture reminded me of someone and you just pointed out who it is :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/f2e8ea5c68/george-zimmerman-s-other-911-calls


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

You mean the unidentified witness who refuses to go on camera and wants to be referred to as "John" while claiming he was gonna dial 911 and never did?

Na, don't believe him either.
I would retain my anonymous as well unless it came to trial. Look at the smear campaign against anyone supporting Zimmerman. Death threat on Zimmerman, maybe a witness as well.

Point is, it is there. believe it or not, I'll bet he gave a statement to the police. I'll bet he would testify is this went to trial.

You know what I think...

I think there will be no trial. No grounds for an arrest. therefore, I think for Zimmerman to clear himself, he needs to bring a lawsuit against Martin's parents for his medical costs.

:stirpot:

[Goran Dragic]

I would retain my anonymous as well unless it came to trial. Look at the smear campaign against anyone supporting Zimmerman. Death threat on Zimmerman, maybe a witness as well.

Point is, it is there. believe it or not, I'll bet he gave a statement to the police. I'll bet he would testify is this went to trial.

You know what I think...

I think there will be no trial. No grounds for an arrest. therefore, I think for Zimmerman to clear himself, he needs to bring a lawsuit against Martin's parents for his medical costs.

:stirpot:
More Zimmerman sympathizing :lol

[Wild Cobra]

pretty dumb to pic sides when like you say none of us were there and no whats true/not true. lol how the hell are you going to argue with him for coming to his own conclusion whenever you used the same information to draw your own :lmao
If I were a betting man, with the information I have seen to date, I would bet that Zimmerman's statement is true. He lost sight of martin and was returning to his truck when martin attacked him. In a panick, and hurt, it took a while for him to remember he had a gun, and used it after his cries for help didn't stop Martin from beating him.

You are correct in that there is no solid evidence either way yet. i am not saying, nor have I ever, that this is how it happened. I still do agree that Zimmerman may be the criminal here. I'm only saying, it doesn't look likely now to me.

We may never really know the truth. Like in war, the victor writes the history.

[Winehole23]

therefore, I think for Zimmerman to clear himself, he needs to bring a lawsuit against Martin's parents for his medical costs.The effect on Zimmerman's reputation of being an inept vigilante who disregarded the advice of the police not to pursue and ended up shooting an unarmed kid, won't be alleviated by a lawsuit for damages.

[Goran Dragic]

The effect on Zimmerman's reputation of being an inept vigilante who disregarded the advice of the police not to pursue and ended up shooting an unarmed kid, won't be alleviated by a lawsuit for damages.
Even though he's said crazier things, I don't think WC was being serious

Other than getting some bank for agreeing to do interviews on national TV, Zimmerman's life is basically ruined regardless of what happened.

[Wild Cobra]

The effect on Zimmerman's reputation of being an inept vigilante who disregarded the advice of the police not to pursue and ended up shooting an unarmed kid, won't be alleviated by a lawsuit for damages.
Probably not, but such a bold action may make people think twice.

I will disagree with your statement of being a vigilante... at least, lets say, that is an unproven allegation.

Did you look at the "Burglary" link at the Stafford police web site I linked? There was an average of one reported robbery per week in that community. I think we can believe he was being a community watchman rather than vigilante, but I will also agree he may have had vigilantism on his mind. I just find that hard to believe that a someone who looks like a couch potato twinkie would take on an athletic looking 6' 3" unknown suspicious person.

I could go on into why I am starting to believe as I do, but you guys will just spin or ridicule it. Just keep in mind, that I have made no solid decisions yet on this issue.

[ChumpDumper]

You know what I think...

I think there will be no trial. No grounds for an arrest.Except for killing that kid.

[Wild Cobra]

I just had a disturbing thought, that might belong in the "Random Thoughts" thread, but it relates to this.

Do any of you have a friend, relative, etc. in the Florida prison system that wants to make Zimmerman their butt buddy?

[ChumpDumper]

I just had a disturbing thought, that might belong in the "Random Thoughts" thread, but it relates to this.

Do any of you have a friend, relative, etc. in the Florida prison system that wants to make Zimmerman their butt buddy?I'm not surprised you would go there, flaglot.

[Winehole23]

I will disagree with your statement of being a vigilante... at least, lets say, that is an unproven allegation.what would you call a private citizen who pursues, confronts and shoots " a suspicious person" to death?

[Goran Dragic]

I just had a disturbing thought, that might belong in the "Random Thoughts" thread, but it relates to this.

Do any of you have a friend, relative, etc. in the Florida prison system that wants to make Zimmerman their butt buddy?
Yeah I actually do. He just called me today telling me he dreamed of pounding that fat virgin ass Zimmerman has and then watching all the frothy santorum drip down Zimmerman's leg.

[Wild Cobra]

what would you call a private citizen who pursues, confronts and shoots " a suspicious person" to death?
Who is your witness that says it went down that way? They need to testify!

That is an unproven allegation.

Do you really think that this guy, who gets bested in a brawl by a skinny 17 year old started the confrontation? My God... Zimmerman's looks like a cream puff pussy.

It does seem to fit that he was following from a distance to keep an eye on martin. His reasoning that the community was burglarized multiple times is supported in the police files. Martin was an unknown face to Zimmerman, and therefore he was suspicious of him. It does seem that Martin noticed, and decided to teach this guy a lesson... However, he brought his skittle marked fists to a Gunfight...

Can you say it didn't happen this way? this is a probable working theory:

1) Zimmerman notices an unknown face.

2) Multiple burglaries have been in the area. The Stafford police site has a link to them.

3) Zimmerman follows Martin from a distance, and call the non emergency police number to report this suspicious person.

4) Martin loses Zimmerman since he knows he is being watched, and doubles back, and takes Zimmerman by surprise.

5) Martin confronts Zimmerman and attacked him.

6) Zimmerman is getting pounded, screams for help, when none come... takes the palm sized 9mm out of his pocket and shoots his attacker.

Have you looked up the weapon Zimmerman was carrying? It will fit in a pocket, unnoticed.

[Winehole23]

you're saying Zimmerman didn't pursue, confront or shoot?

[Wild Cobra]

you're saying Zimmerman didn't pursue, confront or shoot?
Assume for a minute that Zimmerman's testimony is accurate in that he lost Martin and was returning to his car when this happened.

Could it, or could it not, have happened that way?

The girlfriend tastified he wasn't going to run... run away and appear guilty of something, right?

But... she says Martin ran later... but the last time she talked to Martin was 2 minutes before he was shot, saying she lost connection, and the last words she heard were Martin asking " why are you following me" and Zimmerman saying " why are you here."

If Martin, at 6'3" and 170 lbs was running, do you honestly thing Zimmerman has a snowballs chance in hell of catching up?

[Winehole23]

If martin, at 6'3" and 170 lbs... Miami Herald reports 6'3" and 140 pounds. Where'd you get your figure?

...was running, do you honestly thing Zimmerman has a snowballs chance in hell of catching up?In his car? Sure.

If Martin ran, it's fairly certain Zimmerman did catch up, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Wild Cobra]

Miami Herald reports 6'3" and 140 pounds. Where'd you get your figure?
The Herlald also incorrectly reposted the 46 police calls over a 14 month period withour correcting it. Those calls were close to evenly spaced, starting in 2004. Not 14 months prior.

Have you seen other pictures of Martin? Now I did somewhat make up the 170 lbs figure. I figure the Herald accidentally-purposely hit the 4 key instead of the 7 key on the keypad. However, when I was 17, I was 6' 0" and 155 lbs give or take a little. I stayed thin for several years. His photo's show at least 10 more lbs than I had, especially since he is 3" taller. I did hear an account saying he was 160, but I call bullshit on that.

Again... Seriously... That picture, at 6' 3"...
In his car? Sure.
No, Zimmerman was on foot. This happened in the "backyard" of some residents 911 calls, which isn't accessible by vehicle. Did you see the map I linked?

If Martin ran, it's fairly certain Zimmerman did catch up, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Or... Martin after realizing he was being followed, turned the tables, and became the one following after he lost Zimmerman.

Can you tell me with a strait face, that this 6' 3" kid is only 140 lbs:

http://motherjones.com/files/images/blog_trayvon_martin.jpg

Now this is me about 12 years ago, somewhere between 155 and 160 lbs, 6' 0" and Martin is slightly bigger than I am:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/bowling.jpg

LOL...

Bare Naked Bowling for Bare Naked Ladies tickets... August 1999, 2000... I forget... It was fun, but I hate the only picture they took of me.

[ChumpDumper]

Now i did somewhat make up the 170 lbs figure.:rollin

[DMX7]

I figure the Herald accidentally-purposely hit the 4 key instead of the 7 key on the keypad.

LOLZ

:lol

[Fpoonsie]

What were those things?


I suppose the reason I didn't list them all is because several overlap and play a role in his reasoning FOR the pursuit.

-Zimmerman wrongly assumed this kid didn't belong in the neighborhood, simply because he'd never seen him before.

-Zimmerman appears to have wrongly assumed (considering the number of times he mentions it in the 911 transcript) that whatever was in TM's hands was dangerous or menacing.

-Zimmerman didn't simply abide by the operator's suggestion that following the child wasn't necessary.

-Zimmerman was in over his head, and was entirely too "reassured" by having his gun with him.

[coyotes_geek]

Oops.


Director Spike Lee retweeted the home address of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who shot Trayvon Martin, the Hollywood Reporter reports. Lee has more than 200,000 followers on Twitter.


Some are accusing Lee of inciting violence. What’s possibly worse, Lee apparently retweeted the wrong address, according to a reporter at the Washington Times.

link (http://www.ocregister.com/entertainment/lee-346532-twitter-spike.html)

[DarrinS]

What do you suppose Spike Lee was hoping for by giving out that address?

[Agloco]

What do you suppose Spike Lee was hoping for by giving out that address?

It's clear that he wanted to incite violence of course. Can't you see that?

[Winehole23]

I suppose the reason I didn't list them all is because several overlap and play a role in his reasoning FOR the pursuit.You told a little fib. Thanks for the list just the same.

[Agloco]

What if the inquiry occurs after this someone gets out of their car and has pursued you down the street?


It could be a problem.



You don't say. Could it have possibly caused Martin to panic and attack Zimmerman? Remember, Martin wasn't on his home turf.




Look, I never said Zimmerman was innocent. I said I don't know what happened. If I had to judge by looking at photos, I'd say the guy looks like some wanna-be cop, who might do something like he's being accused of. Unfortunately, that's exactly what a bunch of people have done. Kind of ironic that it's exactly what they claim Zimmerman did, isn't it?

Ironic? Sure. However, that takes nothing away from speculative power that Z's past and current actions provide. Z killed an un-armed teenager and walks free. That's bound to incite some irrational thoughts on the matter. It is what it is.




Now let me ask you a question. Do you really believe that the fat-ass 5'2", 240 lb. wanna-be cop pursued the young, 6'3", football star down the street and actually caught him? Can't you see that as a potential hole in the story we're being told?

If that's indeed the correct account, then of course it's a problem.

I've already offered my thoughts on what happened earlier on in this thread. Some of the stories have changed since then however. Especially important was the report about Z's claim of being attacked from behind as he walked back to his truck. He claimed that he had gotten out to check his location. In order for that to have happened, he would have had to get back into his truck first as he was pursuing Martin on foot initially.

One of my posts:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5727787&postcount=248



I'll tell you my opinion. There's no way in hell Zimmerman ran down Trayvon, if Trayvon was trying to run away from him. Something else happened, besides what we're hearing in the news. I don't pretend to know how it went down, but when I was 17, there's no way that little lard-ass would have been able to run me down - especially if I was seriously scared for whatever reason. And nobody claims that Zimmerman shot him from behind, or from a distance.

Indeed. Bits keep coming out which directly contradict earlier accounts. If Martin ran, then the question of whether or not Z actually got back into his truck prior to the eventual altercation is key. As I stated above, an earlier account had Z going back to his truck after verifying his location.





So tell me. Should you already have your mind made up, and start tying the noose? Or should you be looking for explanations?

My mind is made up in the following way:

Z killed Martin
Z chased Martin
Z ignored a suggestion from dispatch to halt his advance
Martin was a teenager
Martin was unarmed
Martin was visiting his father
Z walks a free man

Z has become the poster boy for everything that is wrong with this "stand your ground" law. I believe most people are talking exception to Zs actions up to the moment of the confrontation. The fact that it happened at all lies squarely on Zs shoulders and no one elses. Hence the call for some sort of action against him.

[Fpoonsie]

You told a little fib. Thanks for the list just the same.

I misspoke. I didn't mean to be disingenuous.

[Agloco]

It's clear that he wanted to incite violence of course. Can't you see that?

Should I "blue" this...or is that really necessary even for Darrin?

[Fpoonsie]

Should I "blue" this...or is that really necessary even for Darrin?

Why, then, do you honestly think he tweeted Zimmerman's address?

[Winehole23]

Despite public claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney’s office, the special prosecutor in the case told The Miami Herald on Tuesday.

A Sanford Police incident report shows the case was categorized as “homicide/negligent manslaughter.”


The state attorney’s office held off pending further review, The Miami Herald has learned.
The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office declined to comment on whether its prosecutors ever recommended against filing charges.


“If you go with what was reported in the press the first night, there would have been an arrest right away, but obviously something gave investigators pause,” said a source in the Seminole State Attorney’s office who did not want to speak publicly, because the case is now assigned to a different prosecutor. “We get capias warrants all the time. That doesn’t mean we file charges right away. We investigate to see if it’s appropriate. That’s the responsible thing to do.’’


The Seminole County State Attorney’s Office was consulted the night of Trayvon’s killing, but no prosecutor ever visited the scene. As the controversy intensified, Gov. Rick Scott replaced Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger with Corey, the state attorney for Duval, Nassau and Clay counties, based in Jacksonville.


“The case now has a new state attorney, and they didn’t file charges the first day they got it, either,” the Seminole prosecutor who asked to remain anonymous said.


The development is in stark contrast to the statements repeatedly made by Bill Lee, the Sanford police chief who has since stepped aside and was lambasted for his handling of the case. Lee publicly insisted that there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, leading many critics to say he came across more like a defense attorney for the security buff.

A spokeswoman for the city said the police department would make no further comments on the ongoing investigation.http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130_p2/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html

[JoeChalupa]

No matter which way this goes it isn't going to end well. I just hope in the end people will act civil and not cause havoc.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

No matter which way this goes it isn't going to end well. I just hope in the end people will act civil and not cause havoc.

Truly doubt that will happen. He's already been tried and convicted in the media and interwebs.

[Agloco]

If Martin, at 6'3" and 170 lbs was running, do you honestly thing Zimmerman has a snowballs chance in hell of catching up?

Again, if he got back into his truck then yes. Remember, an earlier account had him getting out of his truck to verify his location. That would imply that he re-entered it to continue looking for Martin after he lost him (and his call with dispatch ended). I stated earlier that I don't believe Z got out of his truck the second time to verify his location. He got out because he found Martin again......he got out to confront him. At that point Z is most likely physically close to Martin; close enough to cause Martin to panic, or at least judge that he can deal with what he perceives as a threat. So instead of attempting to run from this guy who has a truck Martin judges that he could probably deal with this guy, now that he has a better look at him.

Dunno after all, just my two cents. Z new account states that Martin punched him in the nose first, as opposed to the prior account which had Martin attacking him from behind.

I'm not sure how two stories that are so different could be circulated without anyone stepping up sooner to refute one of the accounts.

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn, at this rate this thread is gonna beat that "free razor" thread in the club a few years ago.

[Agloco]

Why, then, do you honestly think he tweeted Zimmerman's address?

I can't speak to Spike Lee's motives any more than Darrin.....or you for that matter. I will say with a high degree of confidence, that the likelihood of him advocating violence against Z or any of his family members is fairly remote.


How about you? Do you believe Lee has incentive to take a risk of that nature?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

..

[Winehole23]

Damn, at this rate this thread is gonna beat that "free razor" thread in the club a few years ago.
it turns out the police and the DA don't exactly back you up like you said upstream. reconsider?

[ChumpDumper]

Could be any reason. I don't remember his having a history of advocating violence like that, so I don't know why he would start now.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I can't speak to Spike Lee's motives any more than Darrin.....or you for that matter. I will say with a high degree of confidence, that the likelihood of him advocating violence against Z or any of his family members is fairly remote.


How about you? Do you believe Lee has incentive to take a risk of that nature?

:lmao thanks for the laugh
Was it put on twitter for the world to see so they could mail their grievances to him? Wtf-ever.

[Agloco]

........

As I just stated, I have no specific thought on the matter other than a disinclination to believe that Lees intent was to incite violence.

How about you? What do you believe Lees tweet was intended for?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

As I just stated, I have no specific thought on the matter other than a disinclination to believe that Lees intent was to incite violence.

How about you? What do you believe Lees tweet was intended for?

Hmmm. Lets see






















Nah, really don't have any other idea why he put his home address on Twitter.
How clueless you are about that is pretty obvious.

[Fpoonsie]

I can't speak to Spike Lee's motives any more than Darrin.....or you for that matter. I will say with a high degree of confidence, that the likelihood of him advocating violence against Z or any of his family members is fairly remote.


How about you? Do you believe Lee has incentive to take a risk of that nature?

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised. At the very least, he wanted to make a man, most likely already fearing for his life, that much more uneasy.

At best, Spike Lee was simply being extremely foolish. At worst, Spike had a very real agenda.

[Agloco]

Was it put on twitter for the world to see so they could mail their grievances to him? Wtf-ever.

:lol discounting that as a possibility.

You'd need to contact Lee to verify that though.

So inciting violence is the only possible motive for the message then?

[ChumpDumper]

So you guys don't know either.

Nice.

[DisAsTerBot]

probably just so everyone could get a grasp of what the crime scene looked like /blue font

[ChumpDumper]

Man, black people really scare you guys shitless.

I'll agree it was a dumb thing to do. You all proved that.

[Fpoonsie]

All over the interwebs and news outlets, frustrated blacks are damn-near bloodthirsty.

But, yeah, sending out his addy over twitter was simply to allow those same people an outlet to send their "strongly-worded grievances."

[DisAsTerBot]

So you guys don't know either.

Nice.

lol. That summarizes nearly 40 pages of this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

All over the interwebs and news outlets, frustrated blacks are damn-near bloodthirsty.

But, yeah, sending out his addy over twitter was simply to allow those same people an outlet to send their "strongly-worded grievances."U scared.

lol bloodthirsty blacks

[Fpoonsie]

U scared.

lol bloodthirsty blacks

I'm not scared. I didn't kill anyone.

lol reaching

[coyotes_geek]

Did he do it to incite violence? No.

Did he do it to incite harrasment? Yes.

JMHO...

Regardless of his intent, it's the wrong address and for that owes the homeowners an apology.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The tacit implication is that this was, specifically, in response to the shooting.

It's closer to say 80-100 High School students were acting like teenagers without a clue.

Or course I know its in response to the shooting.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not scared. I didn't kill anyone.

lol reachingYou haven't killed anyone yet, but calling blacks bloodthirsty pretty much says it all.

[Agloco]

Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised. At the very least, he wanted to make a man, most likely already fearing for his life, that much more uneasy.


I'll buy that for a dollar......So there is another possibility besides wanting to incite violence. Thanks for confirming.



At best, Spike Lee was simply being extremely foolish. At worst, Spike had a very real agenda.

What agenda would that be? Be specific.





Nah, really don't have any other idea why he put his home address on Twitter.
How clueless you are about that is pretty obvious.

And how narrow minded you are is painfully obvious.

Do you honestly believe that violence was his ONLY motive here? Really?

No possibility that he wants people to gather for a demonstration at the residence?

I don't deny that it's a shitty thing to do, but to imply that Spike Lees intent was criminal in nature is a leap off the GW bridge IMO.

[Winehole23]

So inciting violence is the only possible motive for the message then?it's ok to try Spike Lee in the press, and for posters to jump to conclusions based on limited information about him. Indeed failing to jump to conclusions has just been denounced as naivete or worse.

However, giving George Zimmerman the same treatment would be biased and a sign of intellectual dishonesty.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Nope. Has no bearing on the shooting of Trayvon Martin. At all.

No shit, Sherlock.

[Winehole23]

now you agree with me? awesome.

[DisAsTerBot]

You haven't killed anyone yet,

lol calling fpoon a murderer. That's some conclusion

[Agloco]

Did he do it to incite violence? No.

Did he do it to incite harrasment? Yes.

JMHO...

Regardless of his intent, it's the wrong address and for that owes the homeowners an apology.

This.

[Fpoonsie]

Did he do it to incite violence? No.

Did he do it to incite harrasment? Yes.

JMHO...


I'll admit that may have been closer to his original intent. But my god, how idiotic. And how easily could that harassment turn to unruly behavior and then violent outbreaks.

A "harmless" high school walkout turned into a Walgreens smash and grab.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

And how narrow minded you are is painfully obvious.

Do you honestly believe that violence was his ONLY motive here? Really?

No possibility that he wants people to gather for a demonstration at the residence?

I don't deny that it's a shitty thing to do, but to imply that Spike Lees intent was criminal in nature is a leap off the GW bridge IMO.

I'm narrow minded? Then what possible reason did he post it? You can't even answer that! Demonstration, my ass. Don't puss out with some stupid suggestion for that. You have the new black panthers say on TV to basically kill him and you say "demonstration" l. Gtfo :lmao

And I'm narrow minded :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

lol calling fpoon a murderer. That's some conclusionI never called him a murderer. That's some fail.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

now you agree with me? awesome.

Um, no. You didn't know what I meant so don't get all tingly

[Winehole23]

A "harmless" high school walkout turned into a Walgreens smash and grab.$150 damage and nothing stolen for certain. What bearing does this have on anything?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll admit that may have been closer to his original intent. But my god, how idiotic. And how easily could that harassment turn to unruly behavior and then violent outbreaks.

A "harmless" high school walkout turned into a Walgreens smash and grab.Bloodthirsty!

[Agloco]

it's ok to try Spike Lee in the press, and for posters to jump to conclusions based on limited information about him. Indeed failing to jump to conclusions has just been denounced as naivete or worse.

However, giving George Zimmerman the same treatment would be biased and a sign of intellectual dishonesty.

Indeed.

Look, Lee was quite dumb for doing this. But I can't take people to jump on the "Lee wants violence" bandwagon seriously. :lol

[Winehole23]

Um, no. You didn't know what I meant so don't get all tinglywhat did you mean?

[Fpoonsie]

You haven't killed anyone yet

Uhhh...


but calling blacks bloodthirsty pretty much says it all.

I've read countless fb comments, tweets, heard interviews, etc, all wanting this guy's head on a stake. The overwhelming majority of the ones the most incensed were black.

[ChumpDumper]

Indeed.

Look, Lee was quite dumb for doing this. But I can't take people to jump on the "Lee wants violence" bandwagon seriously. :lolThe bloodthirsty savages won't be able to control their animal nature. They burned that Walgreens to the ground!

[Fpoonsie]

$150 damage and nothing stolen for certain. What bearing does this have on anything?

It means what could start as one thing could easily lead to another.

Hell, that could be applied to how this WHOLE ordeal began, but it's true concerning events to follow, nonetheless.

[coyotes_geek]

A school-cafeteria lunch lady and her husband have received hate mail, unwanted visits from reporters and fearful inquiries from neighbors — all because their Sanford-area address is being disseminated on Twitter as belonging to Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman, her son said late Tuesday.

The woman, 70, who has a heart condition, and her husband, 72, have temporarily moved to a hotel to avoid the spotlight and possible danger, said son Chip Humble of Longwood.

The woman has another son named William George Zimmerman who lived with her in 1995 and still lives in Central Florida. He is no relation to George Zimmerman, 28, who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Feb. 26, sparking national outrage and international interest.

link (http://nation.foxnews.com/spike-lee/2012/03/28/spike-lee-terror-tweet-forces-elderly-couple-out-their-home?intcmp=fly)

[ChumpDumper]

Uhhh...



I've read countless fb comments, tweets, heard interviews, etc, all wanting this guy's head on a stake. The overwhelming majority of the ones the most incensed were black.Yeah, I'm sure you monitor and call out every person who has ever made such a threat on the internet.

Or you are just looking for reasons to be scared of black people this week.

Which is more likely?

[JoeChalupa]

Zimmerman won't get any jail time and there will be uproars in communities across the Country.

[ChumpDumper]

It means what could start as one thing could easily lead to another.The high school blacks are especially bloodthirsty and politically motivated.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It means what could start as one thing could easily lead to another.

Hell, that could be applied how this WHOLE ordeal began, but it's true concerning events to follow, nonetheless.

Thanks for having a clue and thinking outside of the box of a simple shooting. Maybe the new black panther bounty and now this stupid asshole Lee's friendly broadcast of this man's home address will sink into to some peoples thick heads.

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah, I'm sure you monitor and call out every person who has ever made such a threat on the internet.

Or you are just looking for reasons to be scared of black people this week.

Which is more likely?

This is a nationwide news story that's blown up outta control.

You act as if emotional, hate-filled rants would be hard to come by.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for having a clue and thinking outside of the box of a simple shooting. Maybe the new black panther bounty and now this stupid asshole Lee's friendly broadcast of this man's home address will sink into to some peoples thick heads.The bloodthirsty savages were never able to act civilized.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Zimmerman won't get any jail time and there will be uproars in communities across the Country.

Not newsworthy, Joe. None at all.

[ChumpDumper]

This is a nationwide news story that's blown up outta control.

You act as if emotional, hate-filled rants would be hard to come by.You act as if they are somehow unique to this situation.

When a bloodthirsty black person does it, you take notice and look for more.

[coyotes_geek]

Zimmerman won't get any jail time and there will be uproars in communities across the Country.

The locals may not have enough to get a murder conviction, but the feds might be able to put some kind of civil rights case together against him.

The Martins can also go the wrongful death civil suit route.