Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[cheguevara]

the victim's past is not really relevant at all. Just as the fact that the shooter's race is not relevant at all either.

Unlike what the media and black panthers are telling us, there is no evidence that this is a hate crime.

[Winehole23]

So when a Gulf cartel member shoots an unarmed Zeta the Zeta should just be reported as an innocent victim?

What's your threshold of disclosure?

And it's an exaggerated analogy, not a straw man. I'm not accusing you of defending the gulf cartel.in this case the victim was a high school student without a rap sheet

[ElNono]

Eh, my kids are named Jacob and Devin, which isn't very Latino either :)

Why do you hate Latinos? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol black panthers

[CosmicCowboy]

in this case the victim was a high school student without a rap sheet

And you know this how?

[Winehole23]

I don't know what some hypothetical threshold would be, honestly. doesn't seem at all relevant here, no one has made the case that it is, so far.

meek submission to to the media's total lack of mores in covering controversies, tolerates trashing the victim.

[Winehole23]

And you know this how?it's been reported on. presumably the family wanted it known their son had no criminal record. are you asking for a link?

[Fpoonsie]

it's been reported on. presumably the family wanted it known their son had no criminal record. are you asking for a link?

The family also seemed to want the school records closed. Why not have it an open book all-around?

[Winehole23]

Barely, in Florida (18)

In Texas (17) he wouldn't be a juvenile.points of law are non-trivial

[Winehole23]

The family also seemed to want the school records closed. Why not have it an open book all-around?Their son, their choice.

[CosmicCowboy]

it's been reported on. presumably the family wanted it known their son had no criminal record. are you asking for a link?

Well, since juvenile records are sealed and the police/prosecution can't discuss them I guess we just have to take the parents word for it. Funny, they also say they knew nothing of the burglar tool and women's jewelry in his backpack that time he got suspended either.

If they aren't liars then I guess they are just shitty parents.

[Winehole23]

can't really blame the parents for taking their son's side in all this

[ChumpDumper]

I firmly believe there will be nothing found in his school records that warrant a summary execution.

[Winehole23]

Funny, they also say they knew nothing of the burglar tool and women's jewelry in his backpack that time he got suspended either.Funny how?

[CosmicCowboy]

Funny how?

Well, if the parents aren't liars then I guess they are just shitty parents. I guarantee if one of my kids had gotten suspended I would have been up at the school finding out exactly WHY.

[Fpoonsie]

can't really blame the parents for taking their son's side in all this

The man claiming self-defense doesn't have the same right to a lack of being demonized?

Instead of instantly labeling him as "the killer," one might argue that he was simply "the survivor."

[CosmicCowboy]

I firmly believe there will be nothing found in his school records that warrant a summary execution.

I think we all agree with you strawman.

[Fpoonsie]

I firmly believe there will be nothing found in his school records that warrant a summary execution.

Of course, but could something in the school records suggest that Trayvon might warrant a second-glance around nice homes?

(see: burglary tools, women's jewelry)

[ChumpDumper]

Of course, but could something in the school records suggest that Trayvon might warrant a second-glance around nice homes?

(see: burglary tools, women's jewelry)Great. Dirty Harry should have followed the rules of his organization and let the police handle it.

[Winehole23]

Obviously, otherwise, why use such a white-washed photo of the alleged victim from years ago? because the family gave it to them?

[ChumpDumper]

I think we all agree with you strawman.No, you don't. You're really trying to make this kid deserve his death.

[ChumpDumper]

lol white washed

[Fpoonsie]

lol white washed

lol Hollister

[CosmicCowboy]

No, you don't. You're really trying to make this kid deserve his death.

You are not only an unlikable vagina you are a fucking liar. I am doing nothing of the sort.


It looks to me (based on the FACTS I have read and heard) like a horrible misunderstanding by both parties that escalated into the beating of one subject and the tragic death of the other. Apparently the prosecutor and police agree with me.

[ChumpDumper]

lol HollisterWhat's funny about that? Are you saying it was photoshopped?

[Creepn]

Ridiculous how the police are actively trying to smear the teen . Bigger forces are at work here. There's no doubt about it.

[Fpoonsie]

because the family gave it to them?

Why not use a recent photo? Could it be because it might not paint him in such a warm and fuzzy light?

[Fpoonsie]

no doubt

lol

[Fpoonsie]

What's funny about that? Are you saying it was photoshopped?

Of course not. I'm saying that brand says white-friendly a lot more than THIS one does:

http://patdollard.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ax26X-500x375.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Why not use a recent photo? Could it be because it might not paint him in such a warm and fuzzy light?Sure, all the parents had after that were pictures of Trayvon at black panther rallies showing off his guns and stolen jewelry.

Be honest, did you automatically believe the flipping off picture was him?

[ChumpDumper]

Of course not. I'm saying that brand says white-friendly a lot more than THIS one does:

http://patdollard.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ax26X-500x375.jpgI can believe this would scare you.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure, all the parents had after that were pictures of Trayvon at black panther rallies showing off his guns and stolen jewelry.

Be honest, did you automatically believe the flipping off picture was him?

I know I wasn't sure. They all look the same to me...

[Winehole23]

The man claiming self-defense doesn't have the same right to a lack of being demonized? How could we forget, you guys keep crying about it, then jump on the Trayvon is a thug dogpile. Who could doubt your sincerity?

Instead of instantly labeling him as "the killer," one might argue that he was simply "the survivor."False dilemma. Zimmerman is both.

Factually speaking, he killed Trayvon Martin, though it remains to be seen whether or to what degree he will be held legally responsible for it.

[ChumpDumper]

OMG He has electronic darts!

Send in the SWAT team!

[ChumpDumper]

I know I wasn't sure. They all look the same to me...No blue necessary.

[CosmicCowboy]

No blue necessary.

Again, more Bouchump lies. Get a sense of humor vagina...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

It's always nice to see the DA and the police presenting their case to the media before official investigations have concluded...if one happens to agree with their hasty conclusions.

So they can't do that while looking at the evidence but you can by reading what the evidence is?

[ChumpDumper]

Again, more Bouchump lies. Get a sense of humor vagina...So did you think it was him or not?

[Fpoonsie]

Sure, all the parents had after that were pictures of Trayvon at black panther rallies showing off his guns and stolen jewelry.

Be honest, did you automatically believe the flipping off picture was him?

Wasn't sure, could've been. After reading some of his tweets, I wouldn't have been surprised.

[ChumpDumper]

So they can't do that while looking at the evidence but you can by reading what the evidence is?Yes.

He's neither the police nor the DA.

[ChumpDumper]

Wasn't sure, could've been. After reading some of his tweets, I wouldn't have been surprised.:lol

[JoeChalupa]

So this young man may have lost his life due to standing his ground against an unknown follower.

[DarrinS]

It's always nice to see the DA and the police presenting their case to the media before official investigations have concluded...if one happens to agree with their hasty conclusions.


Hasty conclusions are best left to the media and professional race peddlers.

[DisAsTerBot]

did you think the original picture was a "recent" one?

was it?

[CosmicCowboy]

So did you think it was him or not?

It was a shitty picture and no way to tell. It didn't really affect my opinion of the facts of the case one way or another.

[coyotes_geek]

Ridiculous how the police are actively trying to smear the teen . Bigger forces are at work here. There's no doubt about it.

???

I thought I heard that the info about why he was suspended came public via a FOIA request from the AP to the school.

[ChumpDumper]

It was a shitty picture and no way to tell. It didn't really affect my opinion of the facts of the case one way or another.I guess that's plausible. It was Darrin who went all in on the white supremacist-supplied picture, after all.

[Winehole23]

So they can't do that while looking at the evidence but you can by reading what the evidence is?I have no settled opinion on what happened.

The picture is still pretty sketchy, but I notice that didn't prevent you from suggesting Trayvon's school record is somehow relevant to him getting shot by an idiot vigilante.

[Creepn]

So this young man may have lost his life due to standing his ground against an unknown follower.


Yup the Florida statutes applies to him but the people that really matters in this case fails to acknowledge that.

[Fpoonsie]

:lol

:lol

You're right. If ANYone were to refer to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N!GGA," it undoubtedly woulda been THIS n!gga.

http://necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin.jpg

[Winehole23]

???

I thought I heard that the info about why he was suspended came public via a FOIA request from the AP to the school.are high school students' records made available to the press as a matter of course or only when they die?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

You're right. If ANYone were to refer to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N!GGA," it undoubtedly woulda been THIS n!gga.

http://necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin.jpgYou're right. Just another reason you think he had to die. :lol

[DarrinS]

I guess that's plausible. It was Darrin who went all in on the white supremacist-supplied picture, after all.

That's not where I got it, but I've heard that's where it originated. It has been debunked. Yes. Am I still "all in"?

[Winehole23]

Hasty conclusions are best left to the media and professional race peddlers.the media gets a back handed compliment from the reigning ST champion of hasty conclusions.

thread delivers :tu

[DarrinS]

Police report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86368480/Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Initial-Report

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I have no settled opinion on what happened.
:lol

[Creepn]

???

I thought I heard that the info about why he was suspended came public via a FOIA request from the AP to the school.

From what I'm reading, the police are leaking it.

[Fpoonsie]

You're right. Just another reason you think he had to die. :lol


Of course, but could something in the school records suggest that Trayvon might warrant a second-glance around nice homes?

(see: burglary tools, women's jewelry)

:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Higher forces :lol

[Winehole23]

:lolwell, it's true. feel free to point out whatever legal or factual conclusions you think I've settled on.

[ChumpDumper]

That's not where I got it, but I've heard that's where it originated. It has been debunked. Yes. Am I still "all in"?I know that's got to be embarrassing for you. Have you gotten used to humiliating yourself here, or is there still some shame involved?


:lolHe got killed. I guess that LOLworthy.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

well, it's true. feel free to point out whatever legal or factual conclusions you think I've settled on.

Don't have to. Just reading what you post is enough for anyone to draw a conclusion. "Records"

[coyotes_geek]

are high school students' records made available to the press as a matter of course or only when they die?

If it's public info I'd think the records would be made available for anyone with a valid FOIA request.

[coyotes_geek]

From what I'm reading, the police are leaking it.

If that's the case, then I agree with you completely.

[Winehole23]

Don't have to. Just reading what you post is enough for anyone to draw a conclusion. "Records"you got nothing, as usual.

[Creepn]

:lol

You're right. If ANYone were to refer to himself as "NO_LIMIT_N!GGA," it undoubtedly woulda been THIS n!gga.

http://necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin.jpg

I bet you think those emo kids in Iraq deserved to be stoned and tortured to death because they took a liking to a small part of American culture.

[Goran Dragic]

OMG He has electronic darts!

Send in the SWAT team!
And he's got a muthafuckin gold grill! He probably stole BOTH the electronic dart set and gold grill!

8fijggq5R6w&ob=av3e

Imagine how scared Zimmerman musta been when he saw a black man over 6 feet tall with a hoody and a grill! I'm surprised it took him so long to kill Martin!

[Winehole23]

If that's the case, then I agree with you completely.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5733368&postcount=437

the original leak: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

[Fpoonsie]

lol white washed


:lol


You're right. Just another reason you think he had to die. :lol


He got killed. I guess that LOLworthy.

Sorry, I assumed we were both sharing a laugh.

(:lol)

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, I assumed we were both sharing a laugh.

(:lol)Yeah, mine was just deriding your apparent glee at his death for having a grill.

Sorry.

(:lol)

[Fpoonsie]

I bet you think those emo kids in Iraq deserved to be stoned and tortured to death because they took a liking to a small part of American culture.


no doubt

:lol

[Fpoonsie]

Imagine how scared Zimmerman musta been when he saw a black man over 6 feet tall with a hoody and a grill! I'm surprised it took him so long to kill Martin!


Of course, but could something in the school records suggest that Trayvon might warrant a second-glance around nice homes?

(see: burglary tools, women's jewelry)

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah, mine was just deriding your apparent glee at his death for having a grill.

Sorry.

(:lol)

:lol

Nowhere in my posts am I saying this kid deserved to die. I simply argued that one might not fault the self-appointed neighborhood watch zealot for his suspicions being roused.

Whatever happened after that is still widely up in the air.

:lol

[Winehole23]

Of course, but could something in the school records suggest that Trayvon might warrant a second-glance around nice homes? not anymore

[coyotes_geek]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5733368&postcount=437

the original leak: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

Doesn't say anything about where the info on the school suspensions came from, which is what I thought we were talking about. Not to say that details from the police report getting leaked isn't something to be upset about....

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Nowhere in my posts am I saying this kid deserved to die. I simply argued that one might not fault the self-appointed neighborhood watch zealot for his suspicions being roused.

Whatever happened after that is still widely up in the air.

:lolSo grill = criminal.

And tweets he could have ever read? Yeah, that's rousing.

:lol

[Goran Dragic]

Yeah, mine was just deriding your apparent glee at his death for having a grill.

Sorry.

(:lol)
And having a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_N!GGA


Of course, the actual CRIMINAL record Zimmerman has doesn't seem to bother fpoonsie

[Fpoonsie]

not anymore

What's been found? Didjoo already post something and I missed it?

[elbamba]

it's been reported on. presumably the family wanted it known their son had no criminal record. are you asking for a link?

The mother also wants a trademark. I thought this was a little odd. thought it has nothing to do with the actual case.

http://www.witn.com/news/nationalworld/headlines/Trayvon_Martins_Mother_Trademarks_144386985.html

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Nowhere in my posts am I saying this kid deserved to die. I simply argued that one might not fault the self-appointed neighborhood watch zealot for his suspicions being roused.

Whatever happened after that is still widely up in the air.

:lol

Chump apparently has one of those new apple computers that can tell what other posters are thinking. With my old PC I have to just rely on the written word to draw my conclusions.

He is constantly asserting what we are thinking/feeling when there is absolutely nothing in our posts to justify his assertions.

Thats just the way Bouchump rolls.

[Goran Dragic]

:lol

Nowhere in my posts am I saying this kid deserved to die. I simply argued that one might not fault the self-appointed neighborhood watch zealot for his suspicions being roused.

Whatever happened after that is still widely up in the air.

:lol
Why are you calling him a zealot if you don't think he should be faulted for his suspicions being roused?

[ChumpDumper]

And having a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_N!GGAObviously Charles Bronson was monitoring all the twitter accounts of black youths with grills in the county.

It's rousing.

[Winehole23]

that's just what we do when people get killed: sift the evidence to determine whether or not the victim's records are sufficient to sustain a new investigation into unrelated crimes perpetrated by the victim.

[Goran Dragic]

So grill = criminal.

And tweets he could have ever read? Yeah, that's rousing.

:lol
Zimmerman I'm sure also knew that the complete stranger walking down his street was caught with jewelry in his backpack at school.

[elbamba]

Ridiculous how the police are actively trying to smear the teen . Bigger forces are at work here. There's no doubt about it.

Is that because Florida police are known for trying to cover up hispanic crimes?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump apparently has one of those new apple computers that can tell what other posters are thinking. With my old PC I have to just rely on the written word to draw my conclusions.

He is constantly asserting what we are thinking/feeling when there is absolutely nothing in our posts to justify his assertions.

Thats just the way Bouchump rolls.Sorry, CC. You're being pretty transparent in this thread.

[Creepn]

:lol

Nowhere in my posts am I saying this kid deserved to die. I simply argued that one might not fault the self-appointed neighborhood watch zealot for his suspicions being roused.

Whatever happened after that is still widely up in the air.

:lol

Lol pussy

[Winehole23]

Doesn't say anything about where the info on the school suspensions came from, which is what I thought we were talking about. Not to say that details from the police report getting leaked isn't something to be upset about....my bad. dunno about the school records, hence my previous question about it...

[Goran Dragic]

that's just what we do when people get killed: sift the evidence to determine whether or not the victim's records are sufficient to sustain a new investigation into unrelated crimes perpetrated by the victim.
We also drug test the victim....however we don't drug test the shooter.

[Fpoonsie]

So grill = criminal.

:lol


And having a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_N!GGA

"If it walks like a duck..."


Of course, the actual CRIMINAL record Zimmerman has doesn't seem to bother fpoonsie

Never said that. I merely stated that if one person's history needs to be examined after a heated confrontation that lead to a death, it's not too much to ask to take a closer look at the other individual involved.

[Fpoonsie]

Why are you calling him a zealot if you don't think he should be faulted for his suspicions being roused?

Because he's not without some blame as well. Never argued otherwise.

[Creepn]

Is that because Florida police are known for trying to cover up hispanic crimes?

More like they are trying to cover up their botched police procedures at a crime scene.

[Fpoonsie]

that's just what we do when people get killed: sift the evidence to determine whether or not the victim's records are sufficient to sustain a new investigation into unrelated crimes perpetrated by the victim.

Was this in response to my query, WH?

[Winehole23]

We also drug test the victim....however we don't drug test the shooter.I'll keep that in mind next time I visit Florida.

[ChumpDumper]

"If it walks like a duck..."Wait.

What do you mean by that?

Elaborate.

[Goran Dragic]

"If it walks like a duck..."
Is having no criminal history "walking like a duck..."

What exactly are you referring to by saying that?


Never said that. I merely stated that if one person's history needs to be examined after a heated confrontation that lead to a death, it's not too much to ask to take a closer look at the other individual involved.
After doing that, the best you could find on "the other individual involved" was him having a grill, a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, and an incident where he was caught with some jewelry that didn't lead to any criminal charges.

Sounds like a real menace to society.

[Winehole23]

dp

[Winehole23]

Was this in response to my query, WH?yah. no need to post it the fifth time.

[elbamba]

So this young man may have lost his life due to standing his ground against an unknown follower.

Or Zimmerman may argue that he stopped following Martin and was returing to his car when Martin assaulted him. Zimmerman might also argue that the only eye witness can testify that he saw Martin on top of him beating him to death and that in his fear for his life, he reached for his gun and pulled the trigger.

You have a solid point that Zimmerman should not have left his car to pursue Martin. But that act, in and of itself is not illegal. That act, does not show premeditation that he intended to kill Martin.

Zimmerman acknowledges on the phone that Marin had run and that he had lost him. He said that he would meet the inbound police. That is where the tape ends and all we have is a witness and then the shooter whose stories seem to confirm that the shooting was self-defense and therefore unless the police had probable cause to believe that the shooting was not self-defense, they must not arrest him.

[Spurminator]

"If he don't dress white, you must indict."

[Goran Dragic]

I'll keep that in mind next time I visit Florida.
If you wanna smoke some meth then kill somebody, Florida is the place to do it!

[CosmicCowboy]

Is having no criminal history "walking like a duck..."

What exactly are you referring to by saying that?


After doing that, the best you could find on "the other individual involved" was him having a grill, a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, and an incident where he was caught with some jewelry that didn't lead to any criminal charges.

Sounds like a real menace to society.

I don't think anyone is glad the kid is dead including Zimmerman.

Whats your point?

[Fpoonsie]

Wait.

What do you mean by that?

Elaborate.


Is having no criminal history "walking like a duck..."

What exactly are you referring to by saying that?

That stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And if Trayvon wanted to look the part of a criminal, he may run the risk of being suspected of as much w/o much hesitation.


After doing that, the best you could find on "the other individual involved" was him having a grill, a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, and an incident where he was caught with some jewelry that didn't lead to any criminal charges.

Sounds like a real menace to society.

There were references to him getting in a fight w/ a bus driver, and along w/ the jewelry, I believe I read something about "burglary tools," whatever those might be.

[elbamba]

Here is a question for anyone that has a link. I have heard conflicting statements taht Martin was shot in the chest and that he was shot in the back. Does anyone know the answer and have a link to back it up?

[elbamba]

I don't think anyone is glad the kid is dead including Zimmerman.

Whats your point?

He has no point. You are wasting your time. I think that other posters have raised solid questions about why you want to look into the past of Martin when it really serves no purpose into why he was shot that night. Unless there is evidence to suggest Zimmerman was aware of specific criminal records of Martin.

[Creepn]

Or Zimmerman may argue that he stopped following Martin and was returing to his car when Martin assaulted him. Zimmerman might also argue that the only eye witness can testify that he saw Martin on top of him beating him to death and that in his fear for his life, he reached for his gun and pulled the trigger.

You have a solid point that Zimmerman should not have left his car to pursue Martin. But that act, in and of itself is not illegal. That act, does not show premeditation that he intended to kill Martin.

Zimmerman acknowledges on the phone that Marin had run and that he had lost him. He said that he would meet the inbound police. That is where the tape ends and all we have is a witness and then the shooter whose stories seem to confirm that the shooting was self-defense and therefore unless the police had probable cause to believe that the shooting was not self-defense, they must not arrest him.

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

[CosmicCowboy]

You are the ONLY one I have ever heard to assert that he might have been shot in the back.

[CosmicCowboy]

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

Yes. Broke his nose and knocked him down with the first punch, then was on top of his chest slamming his head into the concrete. His injuries were consistent with his claim.

[CosmicCowboy]

ah, misread your question. Martin was already on top of Zimmerman when the witness saw them.

[ChumpDumper]

That stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And if Trayvon wanted to look the part of a criminal, he may run the risk of being suspected of as much w/o much hesitation.It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.

http://images.wikia.com/newdcmovieuniverse/images/3/3b/2sb7btl.jpg
NO_LIMIT_NIGGA? I have to alert the Zimmer Man! And I'm black so no racist!

[CosmicCowboy]

It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.

http://images.wikia.com/newdcmovieuniverse/images/3/3b/2sb7btl.jpg
NO_LIMIT_NIGGA? I have to alert the Zimmer Man! And I'm black so no racist!

Where the fuck did you get that? Your magic computer again?

[Fpoonsie]

It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.


No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be playing.

[ChumpDumper]

Where the fuck did you get that? Your magic computer again?No, it's not magic. It's reading. Try it sometime.

[elbamba]

Did the witness say that Martin threw the first punch?

Not that I am aware of. Have you heard an eye-witness that said that Zimmerman threw the first punch? Not that you need an eye-witness, the examiner would be able to determine such a question. The autopsy could answer this and I have not seen a copy of that.

Is there an exception in the Florida Law that takes into account who the agressor is? I do not think so, so although it might be a valid question to raise, it is not enough to arrest Zimmerman over.

Again, if there is evidence to suggest I am wrong, I would love nothing more than Zimmerman to be convicted.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be do playing.So now you're saying all the shit you listed is irrelevant.

Make up your mind.

[Creepn]

No, I'm not. I fully admitted that Zimmerman may've pursued solely due to preconceived stereotypes that Trayvon seems to have begun to emulate.

The character of Trayvon, however, may come into play in that brief but all-too-important "guessing game" that everyone seems to be playing.

:lol I hope you backpeddle your way off a cliff.

[Fpoonsie]

So now you're saying all the shit you listed is irrelevant.

No.

[Fpoonsie]

:lol I hope you backpeddle your way off a cliff.


no doubt

[CosmicCowboy]

No, it's not magic. It's reading. Try it sometime.

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.

[Winehole23]

What's been found? Didjoo already post something and I missed it?Trayvon Martin is dead. That makes your question moot.

[Creepn]

Oh you think I'm using ebonics. Don't shoot me!

[Fpoonsie]

Oh you think I'm using ebonics. Don't shoot me!

wut?

[Fpoonsie]

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.

He'll prolly allude to my "roused suspicions" post.

My point was that, while Zimmerman had no idea of Trayvon's history, those school records indicate that Trayvon had the propensity toward crime, and could've very well been behaving in a suspicious manner when spotted, as well as, unfortunately, "looking the part" of one who might commit a crime.

[ChumpDumper]

If he claimed that Zimmerman knew all that stuff about Martin before he started following him then show me the post.

You can't because it's not there. It's called reading.http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5733947&postcount=607

Read it. I asked specifically about the twitter account.

[ChumpDumper]

He'll prolly allude to my "roused suspicions" post.

My point was that, while Zimmerman had no idea of Trayvon's history, those school records indicate that Trayvon had the propensity toward crime, and could've very well been behaving in a suspicious manner when spotted, as well as, unfortunately, "looking the part" of one who might commit a crime.He looked guilty because he had a twitter account.

This is your theory.

[Fpoonsie]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5733947&postcount=607

Read it. I asked specifically about the twitter account.

Wow. I gave you too much credit.

I never said that Zimmerman knew about his twitter account.

[Fpoonsie]

He looked guilty because he had a twitter account.

This is your theory.

No, it's not.

[Fpoonsie]

Trayvon Martin is dead. That makes your question moot.

Right. Because the "victim" is immediately expunged of any and every wrongdoing.

[ChumpDumper]

No, it's not.Yeah, it is.
"If it walks like a duck..."

[Winehole23]

My point was that, while Zimmerman had no idea of Trayvon's history, those school records indicate that Trayvon had the propensity toward crime, and could've very well been behaving in a suspicious manner when spotted, as well as, unfortunately, "looking the part" of one who might commit a crime.they do not, but this gloss reveals your bias for sure

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah, it is.

Maybe we have different ideas of what that cliche means.

"If it looks suspicious..."

[CosmicCowboy]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5733947&postcount=607

Read it. I asked specifically about the twitter account.

:lmao

THAT'S your proof?

He never claimed Zimmerman knew any specific background on Martin.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe we have different ideas of what that cliche means.

"If it looks suspicious..."The unknown twitter account made him look suspicious.

This is your theory.

[Fpoonsie]

they do not, but this gloss reveals your bias for sure

Maybe we're reading different accounts of this. What did the school records show (or not show) according to reports YOU'VE read?

[Winehole23]

Right. Because the "victim" is immediately expunged of any and every wrongdoing.I did not say so, but it is true that LE seldom charges dead people with new crimes. That would be your job, I guess...

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

THAT'S your proof?

He never claimed Zimmerman knew any specific background on Martin.Exactly.

I think you just backed into understanding that.

Bravo! :clap

[Fpoonsie]

The unknown twitter account made him look suspicious.

This is your theory.

No. The "look" he was sporting as well as some supposed "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman alludes to was what made him look suspicious. And the fact that (again, according to reports I've read) he had had trouble in school (fights, drugs, possible theft) don't necessarily paint the picture of a squeaky-clean teen.

[Winehole23]

Maybe we're reading different accounts of this. What did the school records show (or not show) according to reports YOU'VE read?they did not reveal participation in criminal activity. nor do they show that Trayvon Martin "could've been behaving suspiciously" or "looked suspicious" on the day he died, as you suggest. that's quite a stretch.

[Fpoonsie]

I did not say so, but it is true that LE seldom charges dead people with new crimes. That would be your job, I guess...

I'll readily admit that you often use terms that I'm completely unfamiliar with. What does "LE" mean?

And I'm not necessarily attaching any "new crimes" to Trayvon, but merely suggesting that the old ones not be overlooked.

[ChumpDumper]

No. The "look" he was sporting as well as some supposed "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman alludes to was what made him look suspicious. And the fact that (again, according to reports I've read) he had had trouble in school (fights, drugs, possible theft) don't necessarily paint the picture of a squeaky-clean teen.So the twitter account you raved about was completely irrelevant.

Thanks for walking back again, even though you are still trying to assassinate this dead kid's character to what end?

[TeyshaBlue]

When the crime is framed as armed vigilante kills innocent teen, then perhaps scrutiny of the framework is not completely without merit. I'm not weighing in defense of the gunman at all. But the observation that the questioning might be valid in some sense. No?

I'm prepared to be quite wrong on this as it shivers me ethical timbers a bit.

[CosmicCowboy]

Exactly.

I think you just backed into understanding that.

Bravo! :clap

You are such a tool. You get your ass kicked and you claim victory.



It's a TWITTER account!

You're so eager to assassinate a dead teen's character, you don't even realize you're arguing that Zimmerman had full knowledge of Trayvon's sealed records and internet communications.

]

That was YOUR straw man that just went down in flames.

[Fpoonsie]

they did not reveal participation in criminal activity. nor do they show that Trayvon Martin "could've been behaving suspiciously" or "looked suspicious" on the day he died, as you suggest. that's quite a stretch.

We only have Zimmerman's account (in which he explicitly states that Trayvon looked suspicious) and the girlfriend's. I highly doubt either account is without some bias, but that's all I've got to go off of as far as evidence at or near th scene...that is, until the eyewitnesses show up.

So, I'm left to piece things together outside of it, as are you. Not once have I definitively stated that Trayvon was acting in a manner in which preventative action may've been required. You, on the other hand, seem to offer no such room for doubt.

[Creepn]

No. The "look" he was sporting as well as some supposed "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman alludes to was what made him look suspicious. And the fact that (again, according to reports I've read) he had had trouble in school (fights, drugs, possible theft) don't necessarily paint the picture of a squeaky-clean teen.

Oooh he was a black guy in a hoodie. Very very criminal. :rolleyes

Zimmerman knew NOTHING of the guy to be suspicious of him.

[Winehole23]

And I'm not necessarily attaching any "new crimes" to Trayvon, but merely suggesting that the old ones not be overlooked.Trayvon Martin's non-existent criminal record is not relevant to his manner of death, no matter how badly you want him to be guilty of something ...anything...

"troubles at school"

"looking the part"

"acting the part"

[Fpoonsie]

So the twitter account you raved about was completely irrelevant.

Not at all. The social networking sights shed light on his drug use and school fights.

[ChumpDumper]

You are such a tool. You get your ass kicked and you claim victory.

That was YOUR straw man that just went down in flames.I said he didn't realize it. Of course it never made any sense.

Lo and behold, he completely abandoned the twitter account angle he so breathlessly pimped only a few posts earlier.
No. The "look" he was sporting as well as some supposed "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman alludes to was what made him look suspicious. And the fact that (again, according to reports I've read) he had had trouble in school (fights, drugs, possible theft) don't necessarily paint the picture of a squeaky-clean teen.Somehow you think that's getting my ass kicked. You just became SA210.

[Winehole23]

I'll readily admit that you often use terms that I'm completely unfamiliar with. What does "LE" mean?law enforcement

[Goran Dragic]

You have a solid point that Zimmerman should not have left his car to pursue Martin. But that act, in and of itself is not illegal.
It's a strawman to act like anyone is saying "that act" is illegal. It's not illegal to pursue, but it makes claiming self defense against the person you're pursuing a lot harder to claim.

[Fpoonsie]

Oooh he was a black guy in a hoodie. Very very criminal. :rolleyes

Zimmerman knew NOTHING of the guy to be suspicious of him.

I've already addressed that.

Try and keep up.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already addressed that.

Try and keep up.Right, he had a grill too.

[Goran Dragic]

That stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And if Trayvon wanted to look the part of a criminal, he may run the risk of being suspected of as much w/o much hesitation.
So what are you suggesting? Michael Jackson surgery?




There were references to him getting in a fight w/ a bus driver, and along w/ the jewelry, I believe I read something about "burglary tools," whatever those might be.
How does one draw the conclusion that tools are "burglary tools"?

[Fpoonsie]

Lo and behold, he completely abandoned the twitter account angle he so breathlessly pimped only a few posts earlier.

I abandoned nothing. His twitter and fb account paint the picture of a teen that COULD have been suspicious looking, as Zimmerman claimed.

[ChumpDumper]

I abandoned nothing. His twitter and fb account paint the picture of a teen that COULD have been suspicious looking, as Zimmerman claimed.:lmao

[Goran Dragic]

No. The "look" he was sporting as well as some supposed "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman alludes to was what made him look suspicious. And the fact that (again, according to reports I've read) he had had trouble in school (fights, drugs, possible theft) don't necessarily paint the picture of a squeaky-clean teen.
I'm sure Zimmerman had knowledge the stranger he was running after had a history of fights, drugs, and possible theft at school.

What exactly was suspicious behavior, walking around?

[Fpoonsie]

So what are you suggesting? Michael Jackson surgery?

It's not about being white. It's about dressing the part of a stereotypical criminal. Were a white guy to dress in a similar manner, I'd make the same assumptions.


How does one draw the conclusion that tools are "burglary tools"?

I already said I wasn't sure what was meant by that. The report identified them as "possible burglary tools." It didn't elaborate.

[CosmicCowboy]

So what are you suggesting? Michael Jackson surgery?




How does one draw the conclusion that tools are "burglary tools"?

When they have been altered like the screwdriver in Martins backpack.

*edit* another account just said it was a flathead screwdriver. It's a common tool for punching locks on cars but obviously has other uses.

[Fpoonsie]

I'm sure Zimmerman had knowledge the stranger he was running after had a history of fights, drugs, and possible theft at school.

Never claimed as much.

[Winehole23]

Not once have I definitively stated that Trayvon was acting in a manner in which preventative action may've been required. disingenous. you're definitely building a brief against TM.

you say I've left no room for doubt on the question, but I don't recall that I've addressed it...wouldyou mind pointing where?

[Fpoonsie]

When they have been altered like the screwdriver in Martins backpack.

Okay, so maybe they DID elaborate.

[ChumpDumper]

I already said I wasn't sure what was meant by that. The report identified them as "possible burglary tools." It didn't elaborate.But they also made him look like a stereotypical criminal that night!

[Goran Dragic]

It's not about being white.
Sure. If Martin was a white kid wearing a hoody you'd view him as equally suspicious.


It's about dressing the part of a stereotypical criminal.
So wearing a hoody is dressing the part of a criminal? I must be pretty lucky given how many times I've worn a hoody during the winter.


Were a white guy to dress in a similar manner, I'd make the same assumptions.
So you get suspicious any time a white guy is walking down the street with a hoody on?


I already said I wasn't sure what was meant by that.
Yet you keep using it as an argument.

[Fabbs]

I'm sure Zimmerman had knowledge the stranger he was running after had a history of fights, drugs, and possible theft at school.

What exactly was suspicious behavior, walking around?
You're bordering ChumpyStrawlike in that you are assuming he did NOT know about history of fights, drugs, possible theft at school.

Not saying guard guy did know, but perhaps he is familiar with individuals in his 'hood including Tayvarshon (sp).

[Goran Dragic]

When they have been altered like the screwdriver in Martins backpack.
:wow a screw driver! OMG!

[ChumpDumper]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m16qliLXDd1qb8q0zo1_500.jpg
Criminal!

[Goran Dragic]

You're bordering ChumpyStrawlike in that you are assuming he did NOT know about history of fights, drugs, possible theft at school.

Not saying guard guy did know, but perhaps he is familiar with individuals in his 'hood including Tayvarshon (sp).
I hope you aren't actually serious

[Goran Dragic]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m16qliLXDd1qb8q0zo1_500.jpg
Criminal!
Suspicious behavior!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

you got nothing, as usual.

Yup. You provided it already. If you don't realize that, that's your problem. Sucks, doesn't it?

[Fpoonsie]

disingenous. you're definitely building a brief against TM.

you say I've left no room for doubt on the question, but I don't recall that I've addressed it...wouldyou mind pointing where?

I might've been broad-stroking it a bit while simply addressing "you," but this entire thread seems to be lynch-mobbing this Zimmerman cat who, I'll admit, does seem like a shady character. At the very least, he's a bit overeager.

However, that doesn't mean that TM is completely without fault or that Zimmerman was completely without cause for pursuing him. Maybe TM was just walking down the sidewalk, drinking an iced tea and eating Skittles.

But maybe he wasn't. I'm only attempting to leave room for doubt.

[ChumpDumper]

Suspicious behavior!One can only imagine the horrors contained in his twitter account!

[ChumpDumper]

I might've been broad-stroking it a bit while simply addressing "you," but this entire thread seems to be lynch-mobbing this Zimmerman cat who, I'll admit, does seem like a shady character. At the very least, he's a bit overeager.

However, that doesn't mean that TM is completely without fault or that Zimmerman was completely without cause for pursuing him. Maybe TM was just walking down the sidewalk, drinking an iced tea and eating Skittles.

But maybe he wasn't. I'm only attempting to leave room for doubt.What is your working theory about what he was doing, based on your extensive twitter profiling experience?

[Creepn]

According to Florida's stalking law, it seems Zimmerman fits that crime imho. http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

[Goran Dragic]

I might've been broad-stroking it a bit while simply addressing "you," but this entire thread seems to be lynch-mobbing this Zimmerman cat who, I'll admit, does seem like a shady character. At the very least, he's a bit overeager.
If you think he's overeager, why are doing back flips to try and paint Martin as someone to be suspicious about. It's obvious you're only admitting Zimmerman was overeager to avoid looking completely retarded trying to argue he was right to pursue Martin.


However, that doesn't mean that TM is completely without fault or that Zimmerman was completely without cause for pursuing him.
Zimmerman was a self appointed neighborhood watch who is not in any way licensed to pursue possible criminals. Even if he saw Martin smash a window in and leave a house with a TV, he should call the cops and that's it.

Regardless, your reasoning here is ridiculous. He's wearing a fuckin hoody and maybe walking slowly, the only reason you'd think he looks suspicious is racism.


Maybe TM was just walking down the sidewalk, drinking an iced tea and eating Skittles.

But maybe he wasn't. I'm only attempting to leave room for doubt.
"He mighta been innocent, but he mighta been guilty!"

I'm glad cops don't have the attitude you and Zimmerman have.

[Fabbs]

Suspicious behavior!
Her altered screwdriver is for working on RumpDump and Goran.

[Winehole23]

Yup. You provided it already. That's right, I posted in this thread. But how could I possibly know which posts you take exception to, if you don't specify any posts? I'm not a mind reader.

[ChumpDumper]

Her altered screwdriver is for working on RumpDump and Goran.Nicknames!

[DisAsTerBot]

has anyone in this thread ever called the police to report a suspicious person?

no trolling, just wondering what made them suspicious and what prompted the call to police?

[Goran Dragic]

Her altered screwdriver is for working on RumpDump and Goran.
If Zimmerman was at all familiar with Martin's history at school and knew the guy he was pursuing was in fact the guy who had problems at school, he would have been able to identify Martin by name during the 911 call.

You can't honestly think there was even the slightest possibility Zimmerman knew who Martin was.

[Fpoonsie]

white...hoody

Sure. I might be suspicious, especially if I didn't recognize you. Myself, I prolly wouldn't have tracked him down, but that's just me. You keep arguing as if I'M claiming that Zimmerman is w/o blame here.

I'm not.


Yet you keep using it as an argument.

It was in the report. I never claimed to have clear-cut evidence in ANY regard that didn't require a little inference.

[CosmicCowboy]

One can only imagine the horrors contained in his twitter account!

Here ya go...Saint Travon's tweets...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/Trayvon-s-Tweets-the-Daily-Caller

[Goran Dragic]

has anyone in this thread ever called the police to report a suspicious person?

no trolling, just wondering what made them suspicious and what prompted the call to police?
I don't think anyone in this thread has called 911 46 times in the last year as a self appointed neighborhood watchman.

[ChumpDumper]

has anyone in this thread ever called the police to report a suspicious person?Yes.


no trolling, just wondering what made them suspicious and what prompted the call to police?It wasn't facebook, twitter, sealed school records, hoodies or grills.

[DarrinS]

Right, he had a grill too.


And Garanimals.

[Fpoonsie]

What is your working theory about what he was doing, based on your extensive twitter profiling experience?

I have no idea what happened. But neither does anyone else aside from Zimmerman and the deceased.

[Creepn]

has anyone in this thread ever called the police to report a suspicious person?

no trolling, just wondering what made them suspicious and what prompted the call to police?

I never called the cops on a guy wearing a hoodie and walking in my neighborhood that's for sure.

[Winehole23]

Here ya go...Saint Travon's tweets...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/T...e-Daily-Caller (http://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/Trayvon-s-Tweets-the-Daily-Caller)stirring the pot suits you

whether or not Trayvon Martin was or wasn't a saint, or fronted out hard on Twitter, is totally irrelevant to the case

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think anyone in this thread has called 911 46 times in the last year as a self appointed neighborhood watchman.Calling the police is not the issue.

He can call them all he wants, for any legal reason.

[CosmicCowboy]

If Zimmerman was at all familiar with Martin's history at school and knew the guy he was pursuing was in fact the guy who had problems at school, he would have been able to identify Martin by name during the 911 call.

You can't honestly think there was even the slightest possibility Zimmerman knew who Martin was.

Damn, you are an idiot. No one has made that assertion (except for Chump accusing Fpoonsie of asserting that)

[coyotes_geek]

According to Florida's stalking law, it seems Zimmerman fits that crime imho. http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

Doesn't look like it. See bold.


(1) As used in this section, the term:

(a) "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

(b) "Course of conduct" means a pattern a conduct composed of series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.

(c) "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.

(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4) Any person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person that person's property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(5) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, so. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(6) Any law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person he or she has probable cause to believe has violated the provisions of this section.

You can't get Zimmerman on (4) or (5) since Martin was over 16 and there wasn't any kind of previous restraining order. Since (2) and (3) require multiple encounters, it doesn't look like those would work either.

[DisAsTerBot]

I don't think anyone in this thread has called 911 46 times in the last year as a self appointed neighborhood watchman.

so you're answer is no?

and i think i read somewhere where that stat is exaggerated, but i could be wrong.

[Goran Dragic]

Sure. I might be suspicious, especially if I didn't recognize you.
So you get suspicious whenever someone is wearing a hoody in the rain walking down your street who you don't recognize? I severely doubt that.


Myself, I prolly wouldn't have tracked him down, but that's just me.
You and anyone who isn't an overzealous vigilante.


You keep arguing as if I'M claiming that Zimmerman is w/o blame here.

I'm not.
Then tell me what you admit he did wrong. So far all you've done is justify his decisions.


It was in the report. I never claimed to have clear-cut evidence in ANY regard that didn't require a little inference.
So you're inferring about what you know nothing about?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea what happened. But neither does anyone else aside from Zimmerman and the deceased.That was not my question.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't think anyone in this thread has called 911 46 times in the last year as a self appointed neighborhood watchman.

Zimmerman didn't either. Try to keep up dumbass or go back to the Club.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, you are an idiot. No one has made that assertion (except for Chump accusing Fpoonsie of asserting that)Did you see him do it again?

It was awesome.

[Goran Dragic]

Damn, you are an idiot. No one has made that assertion (except for Chump accusing Fpoonsie of asserting that)
Fabbs did make the assertion that Zimmerman mighta known who Martin was. He did it right here:


You're bordering ChumpyStrawlike in that you are assuming he did NOT know about history of fights, drugs, possible theft at school.

Not saying guard guy did know, but perhaps he is familiar with individuals in his 'hood including Tayvarshon (sp).
:lol now who's the idiot?

[DisAsTerBot]

Yes.

It wasn't facebook, twitter, sealed school records, hoodies or grills.

so you saw them committing a crime?

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, Fabbs -- always good for unintentional comic relief.

[Goran Dragic]

so you're answer is no?

Yes, my answer is no. Anyone who is claiming they get suspicious when they see someone in their neighborhood with a hoody on (especially when it's raining outside) either has the mental problems Zimmerman had or is lying through their teeth.

[ChumpDumper]

so you saw them committing a crime?Again, no one is saying Zimmerman had no right to make a call. People have different thresholds about what they consider worthy of that kind of call. Since Zimmerman appointed himself the protector of the community, he has his own standard.

Good attempt at a straw man battle, though. Props.

[Creepn]

@coyote, Zimmerman was following him around in his car, when suspect ran to get away, Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue once again.That's not repeated action?

[Goran Dragic]

I'm waiting for an apology CC

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm waiting for an apology CC

:lmao

[Fabbs]

Fabbs did make the assertion that Zimmerman mighta known who Martin was. He did it right here:


:lol now who's the idiot?
The neighborhood watchman, self appointed or not, might have known about residents in the 'hood he patroled.
Ya i made that stretch. :lol

[Fpoonsie]

So you get suspicious whenever someone is wearing a hoody in the rain walking down your street who you don't recognize? I severely doubt that.

Not really, but I wasn't doing a neighborhood watch (self-appointed or otherwise) after a recent outbreak of burglaries.


Then tell me what you admit he did wrong. So far all you've done is justify his decisions.

When the operator told him he didn't need to pursue, he should've stopped short. He certainly should've never gone after him on foot.


So you're inferring about what you know nothing about?

Just like everyone else.

[DisAsTerBot]

Again, no one is saying Zimmerman had no right to make a call. People have different thresholds about what they consider worthy of that kind of call. Since Zimmerman appointed himself the protector of the community, he has his own standard.

Good attempt at a straw man battle, though. Props.

Im not saying people have issues with him calling police, everyone has issues with why he labeled TM as supsicious.
I was asking what made you suspicious when you called? Were they committing a crime? Did they look menacing? Out of place? What was it?

[cheguevara]

this sounds like they put an idiot with a loaded gun to patrol the neighborgood. oh wait...

[CosmicCowboy]

I can say that if a young black guy with his pants hanging down over his ass and wearing a hoodie over his head was wandering around my neighborhood in the rain I'm pretty damn sure the police would get called.

[cheguevara]

:lol wandering around

he had family living there

[CosmicCowboy]

Would he be gun downed on sight also?

If he sucker punched me and broke my nose and was slamming my head against the concrete I would kill his ass in a heartbeat.

[Fpoonsie]

That was not my question.

I don't have a theory on the actual event. All I think I know is:

-Zimmerman saw someone he didn't recognize and believed to be suspicious.
-Zimmerman called the non-emergency 911 operator
-Zimmerman continued to follow "suspicious" person, both in his vehicle and on foot, even after being told that it wasn't necessary by the operator
-Zimmerman lost sight of TM
-Zimmerman rediscovers TM and a confrontation ensues.
-TM ends up dead. Zimmerman leaves bloodied and bruised.

[Fabbs]

What part of this transcript would make you believe that Zimmerman had any prior knowledge of Martin's personal records?
Transcript?

[DarrinS]

Would he be gun downed on sight also?

Is that what happened?

[ChumpDumper]

Im not saying people have issues with him calling police, everyone has issues with why he labeled TM as supsicious.
I was asking what made you suspicious when you called? Were they committing a crime? Did they look menacing? Out of place? What was it?Again, it had nothing to do with hoodies, facebook, twitter, grills or sealed school records.

These are the reasons cited here as rousing Zimmerman's suspicions.

[cheguevara]

:lol killing someone for giving you an old fashioned assbeating

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have a theory on the actual event.Sure.

[ChumpDumper]

Transcript?:lmao

[DisAsTerBot]

Again, it had nothing to do with hoodies, facebook, twitter, grills or sealed school records.



People have different thresholds about what they consider worthy of that kind of call.

[coyotes_geek]

@coyote, Zimmerman was following him around in his car, when suspect ran to get away, Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue once again.That's not repeated action?

I can't seem to find a timeline of how long it was from the 911 call to the gunshot, but it wasn't hours and hours. I think a good defense attorney would have a pretty easy time making the case that everything was just one event.

[Fpoonsie]

Again, it had nothing to do with facebook, or sealed school records.

These are the reasons cited here as rousing Zimmerman's suspicions.

No, they're not.

[DarrinS]

no he just got chased down, beaten up, and then shot for walking down the street.

so much better.


That's what you think happened?

[ChumpDumper]

No, they're not.Yes, they are.

[DisAsTerBot]

Again, it had nothing to do with hoodies, facebook, twitter, grills or sealed school records.

These are the reasons cited here as rousing Zimmerman's suspicions.

ah, ok. So it's not about the actual case and looking at all possible angles. It's about winning an argument on spurstalk. Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

[quotes posted without a point]Are you still arguing what no one else is arguing?

[ChumpDumper]

ah, ok. So it's not about the actual case and looking at all possible angles. It's about winning an argument on spurstalk. Got it.It's about your arguing something no one is arguing about -- Zimmerman's right to voice his suspicion to law enforcement.

You're the one trying to talk about a completely different case -- mine.

Got it?

[Creepn]

I don't have a theory on the actual event. All I think I know is:

-Zimmerman saw someone he didn't recognize and believed to be suspicious.
-Zimmerman called the non-emergency 911 operator
-Zimmerman continued to follow "suspicious" person, both in his vehicle and on foot, even after being told that it wasn't necessary by the operator
-Zimmerman lost sight of TM
-Zimmerman rediscovers TM and a confrontation ensues.
-TM ends up dead. Zimmerman leaves bloodied and bruised.

Sounds like repeated stalking attempts. That's illegal in Florida ya know?

[BlackSwordsMan]

Sounds like Zimmerman was on his way to cure cancer and was about to be to carjacked.

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like repeated stalking attempts. That's illegal in Florida ya know?At the least deserving of a beatdown. That's what a real man like CC would do.

[Fpoonsie]

Sounds like repeated stalking attempts. That's illegal in Florida ya know?

No, it sounds like one continuous pursuit, whether justified or otherwise.

[ChumpDumper]

No, it sounds like one continuous pursuit, whether justified or otherwise.Yes, Trayvon could not have thought a dude with a gun was stalking him. That's out of the realm of possibility. Just looking at it from all angles except that one.

[Creepn]

I can't seem to find a timeline of how long it was from the 911 call to the gunshot, but it wasn't hours and hours. I think a good defense attorney would have a pretty easy time making the case that everything was just one event.

Perhaps but in order for that to happen, he needs to be apprehended. That's what it all boils down to.

[Fpoonsie]

Yes, Trayvon could not have thought a dude with a gun was stalking him. That's out of the realm of possibility. Just looking at it from all angles except that one.

According to the link geek posted, while TM may've thought he was being stalked, Zimmerman technically wasn't...at least, according to FL law.

[DisAsTerBot]

It's about your arguing something no one is arguing about -- Zimmerman's right to voice his suspicion to law enforcement.



you're right, i didnt just read page after page of racist (on both sides) bullshit about what constitutes suspicion. Carry on

[Bobby Peru]

I can say that if a young black guy with his pants hanging down over his ass and wearing a hoodie over his head was wandering around my neighborhood in the rain I'm pretty damn sure the police would get called.

on the other hand your cracker ass hanging out in Treyvon's hood would end up in the gutter

[CosmicCowboy]

on the other hand your cracker ass hanging out in Treyvon's hood would end up in the gutter

probably so...

[ChumpDumper]

you're right, i didnt just read page after page of racist (on both sides) bullshit about what constitutes suspicion. Carry onYeah, you're above all that....

[ChumpDumper]

According to the link geek posted, while TM may've thought he was being stalked, Zimmerman technically wasn't...at least, according to FL law.So now it's Trayvon's fault for not knowing the nuances of Florida's stalking law.

This has been a great thread.

[cheguevara]

:lmao Treyvon Martin protesters ransack a Walgreen's

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Trayvon-Martin-Protesters-Ransacked-North-Miami-Beach-Walgreens-144407215.html

[Fpoonsie]

So now it's Trayvon's fault for not knowing the nuances of Florida's stalking law.

This has been a great thread.

No. But Zimmerman appears to cleared under FL law, however unfortunate the wiggle-room might be.

[Winehole23]

About $150 worth of merchandise was broken and police and the store haven't been able to determine whether any items were stolen, authorities said.newsworthy!

[Wild Cobra]

And having a twitter account called NO_LIMIT_N!GGA


Of course, the actual CRIMINAL record Zimmerman has doesn't seem to bother fpoonsie
I read he was arrested and released in some past issue for assault against a police officer. Apparently, there was nothing true about the reasons he was arrested because the charges were dropped. If you have some details, please, I would love to see it.

For example. was it an overbearing off duty cop who started an altercation, like the one who pulled a gun (http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/news/crime/10468297-418/officer-pulls-gun-in-oswego-wal-mart-to-make-arrest.html) on someone in a Walmart?

[ChumpDumper]

I read he was arrested and released in some past issue for assault against a police officer. Apparently, there was nothing true about the reasons he was arrested because the charges were dropped. If you have some details, please, I would love to see it.I heard he pulled a knife on Mr. Hand in homeroom.

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Fabbs

You're bordering ChumpyStrawlike in that you are assuming he did NOT know about history of fights, drugs, possible theft at school.

Not saying guard guy did know, but perhaps he is familiar with individuals in his 'hood including Tayvarshon (sp).


Originally Posted by Jeff Zimmerman

This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around looking about. Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male...Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is...These assholes, they always get away.



What part of this transcript would make you believe that Zimmerman had any prior knowledge of Martin's personal records?
I be dodging you Justin. :lmao Go find Al Sharpton.

Since you and Rumphumper consider these "transcripts", okay......

Clearly i do not know what guard guy for a fact knew or did not know.
That having been said, it's not a stretch for a neighborhood watch guy (self appointed or not), to have some knowledge of the local residents.

[ChumpDumper]

Originally Posted by Fabbs

You're bordering ChumpyStrawlike in that you are assuming he did NOT know about history of fights, drugs, possible theft at school.

Not saying guard guy did know, but perhaps he is familiar with individuals in his 'hood including Tayvarshon (sp).


Originally Posted by Jeff Zimmerman

This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around looking about. Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male...Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is...These assholes, they always get away.



I be dodging you Justin. :lmao Go find Al Sharpton.

Since you and Rumphumper consider these "transcripts", okay......

Clearly i do not know what guard guy for a fact knew or did not know.
That having been said, it's not a stretch for a neighborhood watch guy (self appointed or not), to have some knowledge of the local residents.So your answer is "Nothing, I just made it up." -- that's all you had to say.

[Creepn]

No. But Zimmerman appears to cleared under FL law, however unfortunate the wiggle-room might be.

So because you think it's "continuous", he would be cleared.

What if some pedophile sees a kid for the first time and follows him around the neighborhood in his car. What do you call that?

[cantthinkofanything]

So because you think it's "continuous", he would be cleared.

What if some pedophile sees a kid for the first time and follows him around the neighborhood in his car. What do you call that?

The Strawman!

[Fpoonsie]

So because you think it's "continuous", he would be cleared.

What if some pedophile sees a kid for the first time and follows him around the neighborhood in his car. What do you call that?

"Unfortunate," with a bit o' "irresponsible parenting" mixed in.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

newsworthy!

So we're just looking at dollar amounts? Plus it just said "$150 of merchandise was broken". It didn't say anything about what was stolen. Plus, having "80-100" high school students that "walked out of school in protest", I'd kinda think that $150 is a pretty lowballed number. Plus, it states that the "school's assistant principal trying to stop students from entering the store and telling others already inside to leave"......
That's not newsworthy????????

I guess there's nothing to pick and choose to your liking. Carry on.

[TeyshaBlue]

So we're just looking at dollar amounts? Plus it just said "$150 of merchandise was broken". It didn't say anything about what was stolen. Plus, having "80-100" high school students that "walked out of school in protest", I'd kinda think that $150 is a pretty lowballed number. Plus, it states that the "school's assistant principal trying to stop students from entering the store and telling others already inside to leave"......
That's not newsworthy????????

I guess there's nothing to pick and choose to your liking. Carry on.

The tacit implication is that this was, specifically, in response to the shooting.

It's closer to say 80-100 High School students were acting like teenagers without a clue.

[elbamba]

It's a strawman to act like anyone is saying "that act" is illegal. It's not illegal to pursue, but it makes claiming self defense against the person you're pursuing a lot harder to claim.

Under the Florida Stand Your Ground Law it does not. There is no distinction that I could find. Please feel free to cite a law or case that does.

[Winehole23]

So we're just looking at dollar amounts? Plus it just said "$150 of merchandise was broken". It didn't say anything about what was stolen. Plus, having "80-100" high school students that "walked out of school in protest", I'd kinda think that $150 is a pretty lowballed number. Plus, it states that the "school's assistant principal trying to stop students from entering the store and telling others already inside to leave"......
That's not newsworthy????????Nope. Has no bearing on the shooting of Trayvon Martin. At all.

Neither did the hoodie, the school records, the tweets and the "scary pictures," for that matter.