2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1229963171953348609

https://twitter.com/gaybonez/status/1229961918762319873

:lmao Next week she'll come up with a story for the black folks. Her name? Latisha. :lol

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1229963171953348609

https://twitter.com/gaybonez/status/1229961918762319873

:lmao Next week she'll come up with a story for the black folks. Her name? Latisha. :lol

She used to say all kinds of awkward stuff back in the day. She's leveled off; but underneath it all she's nuttier than squirrel shit.

[phxspurfan]

+1

she was doing very well in early debates with the ridiculously crowded fields, and i think she had the standout moment from those early ones when she railed on people who "go through the trouble of running for president just to talk about the things we cant do and shouldnt fight for"

her medicare for all pivot into "we'll do public option first and then come back to it" was a big red flag (and coincides with when she started plummeting in the polls following her brief stint being virtually tied with biden), but she was still my #1 until that lousy hit job. since then she's been circling the drain tbh

Glad other people see it that way. Obvious sexist hit job on Bernie

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhkX74D10M
yep thats the one

just brilliant. he ended up agreeing to forfeit tens of millions of dollars of his pay resigned weeks later

just recently he was banned from the banking industry altogether as part of the scandal.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/23/banned-life-former-wells-fargo-chief-executive-barred-banking-industry/

[spurraider21]

In other related news:

Bitch Collins now trails her oponent by 1. Well within the margin of error but I will take the blue font.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/me/maine_senate_collins_vs_gideon-6928.html

spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) real clear just released a batch of polls from tons of super Tuesday states. It's pretty disheartening how Bloomberg is actually competing. I guess is all in for Bernie.

National polls still shows Biden with the best chance to beat Trump. :lol

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
look again and the latest polls... sanders the only dem candidate beating trump head to head per the new emerson poll. his leads in the polls in nevada and california are widening

[ElNono]

yep thats the one

just brilliant. he ended up agreeing to forfeit tens of millions of dollars of his pay resigned weeks later

just recently he was banned from the banking industry altogether as part of the scandal.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/23/banned-life-former-wells-fargo-chief-executive-barred-banking-industry/

Ridiculous how they get away with a hefty fine and a suspension after scamming a whole lot of people.

[Will Hunting]

+1

she was doing very well in early debates with the ridiculously crowded fields, and i think she had the standout moment from those early ones when she railed on people who "go through the trouble of running for president just to talk about the things we cant do and shouldnt fight for"

her medicare for all pivot into "we'll do public option first and then come back to it" was a big red flag (and coincides with when she started plummeting in the polls following her brief stint being virtually tied with biden), but she was still my #1 until that lousy hit job. since then she's been circling the drain tbh
I didn’t mind the public option pivot too much she just handled it poorly. Quite frankly I actually think the road to M4A from where we are now is going to likely include a public option bill first, which if done correctly will eventually weaken the insurance companies and lead to single payer.

[AaronY]

I didn’t mind the public option pivot too much she just handled it poorly. Quite frankly I actually think the road to M4A from where we are now is going to likely include a public option bill first, which if done correctly will eventually weaken the insurance companies and lead to single payer.
Lmao us moderate neoliberal scum democrats been telling you guys this for years. Especially since public option can be done with reconciliation which only needs 51 votes. Meanwhile you bros been calling any of us who doesn't support your absurd m4all plans (that need 60 votes) as monsters equivalent to someone who did 300 9/11s.

[AaronY]

Quick reminder Bernie's absurd healthcare plan exists literally nowhere on planet Earth

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[Ball Buster]

I’m sure that Bad Econ Takes opinions expressed on his Twitter feed are without hyperbole completely. He’s obviously very concerned with socialism. But seemingly completely cool with a $750 billion a year military budget, and being involved in 8 different wars in the middle east. That’s just money well spent, helps keep the economy going. Fuck spending $20 billion a year to end homelessness nationally.

[Will Hunting]

Quick reminder Bernie's absurd healthcare plan exists literally nowhere on planet Earth

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Yeah sorry I can’t take your posts seriously anymore. They usually include a bunch of strawman arguments about stuff I never said, and you were a big enough retard to think Bid:loln was the most electable Democrat.

[AaronY]

Yeah sorry I can’t take your posts seriously anymore. They usually include a bunch of strawman arguments about stuff I never said, and you were a big enough retard to think Bid:loln was the most electable Democrat.
The feeling is pretty mutual lol. Been painful watching one of my favorite posters morph into a thinking mans version of boutons tbh

[AaronY]

Those last two columns tho :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQs99mCU8AAIvkn?format=jpg&name=900x900

[AaronY]

I’m sure that Bad Econ Takes opinions expressed on his Twitter feed are without hyperbole completely. He’s obviously very concerned with socialism. But seemingly completely cool with a $750 billion a year military budget, and being involved in 8 different wars in the middle east. That’s just money well spent, helps keep the economy going. Fuck spending $20 billion a year to end homelessness nationally.
Not for nothing but this just changes the subject of healthcare to a bunch of other irrelevant topics lol

[Spurminator]

Somebody with a better grasp of all of this is going to have to explain why it's a good idea or necessary to ban private insurance for those willing to pay for it.

[spurraider21]

Those last two columns tho :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQs99mCU8AAIvkn?format=jpg&name=900x900
His plan is more generous than the others. He didn’t say other countries have passed my bill. He said they have universal healthcare, which really is the first column

[spurraider21]

Somebody with a better grasp of all of this is going to have to explain why it's a good idea or necessary to ban private insurance for those willing to pay for it.
They still allow supplemental coverage for things like cosmetics, but:

Administrative costs make up for something like 25% of the cost of services right now, with hospitals having dedicated staff for billing/coding for various insurers. You drastically simplify that process and can attack cost there. They no longer need a collections department, etc.

you eliminate the concept of anybody being out of network. By having other plans, providers can just say... yeah we’re not gonna accept Medicare. When i was living in LA i had to drive to Lancaster to find a specialist covered in my plan. I’m sure others have had it worse

That also gives greater leverage to negotiate costs of services and drugs if they’re the only game in town. Though drug prices can alternatively be regulated through legislation

[DarrinS]

I'll just put this here



https://youtu.be/jkqlE1J7uXw

[Trainwreck2100]

Somebody with a better grasp of all of this is going to have to explain why it's a good idea or necessary to ban private insurance for those willing to pay for it.

At this point I just assume it's some overton window shit, because there's no way he gets the dems to sign off on destroying the filibuster (the only way this passes) while also raising taxes and putting 1.8 million people out of work.

[spurraider21]

I'll just put this here



https://youtu.be/jkqlE1J7uXw
i never liked that guy tbh

[spurraider21]

a public option would be an improvement to what we have, but it's a half measure that in and of itself does little to nothing to address the cost of services/drugs, and would create an even higher tax burden per capita on the govt plan. it would make it a tough selling point to transition from that to M4A (if that is the intended end goal), imho

[CosmicCowboy]

I’m sure that Bad Econ Takes opinions expressed on his Twitter feed are without hyperbole completely. He’s obviously very concerned with socialism. But seemingly completely cool with a $750 billion a year military budget, and being involved in 8 different wars in the middle east. That’s just money well spent, helps keep the economy going. Fuck spending $20 billion a year to end homelessness nationally.

The military has grown into the modern equivalent of the CCC from the New Deal.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1230233648395358208

:lmao got em

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1230233648395358208

:lmao got em
:lol boomerberg

[Will Hunting]

The feeling is pretty mutual lol. Been painful watching one of my favorite posters morph into a thinking mans version of boutons tbh
Serious question though where have I ever said we should ban private insurance? I know Bernie says he wants to do it but doesn’t mean I agree with it. Imo if someone is willing to pay for private insurance then no reason to ban it, but I don’t think having private insurance should exempt someone from the taxes that pay for the public option.

Im also of the viewpoint that if you elect a moderate who’s end game is just a public option the Republicans will billy that president into just making modest Obamacare improvements with no public option. If you elect Bernie I think we’ll end up with a compromise that includes a public option.

I’d honestly be supporting Warren except for how bad I think she’d do against Trump. She’s accomplished more and has a more realistic plan, but she’s not a good enough politician the way Trump/Bernie are.

[Will Hunting]

a public option would be an improvement to what we have, but it's a half measure that in and of itself does little to nothing to address the cost of services/drugs, and would create an even higher tax burden per capita on the govt plan. it would make it a tough selling point to transition from that to M4A (if that is the intended end goal), imho
I think a public option that doesn’t suck together with no more employer mandate would put private insurance companies in real trouble. You’d have tens of millions of small business employees being forced into the public option over night and as a result it’d have a big enough pool of patients to control costs and provide better coverage.

[spurraider21]

I think a public option that doesn’t suck together with no more employer mandate would put private insurance companies in real trouble. You’d have tens of millions of small business employees being forced into the public option over night and as a result it’d have a big enough pool of patients to control costs and provide better coverage.
if the goal is the put the private insurance companies in real trouble you're already striving for M4A

[spurraider21]

iowa has accepted partial recount requests from sanders and buttigieg. expected to begin tuesday and take 2 days

they already completed the recanvass requests (a pre-requisite to recounts), which did shuffle some SDE's, but pete holding the smallest of leads. it is less than 0.1 SDE's. buttigieg currently has a lead by 2 national delegates, but it is noteworthy that the "last" delegate goes to the overall winner, so if the recount puts sanders up by the smallest of leads, he would wind up with 14 delegates to pete's 12.

from what i understand, the iowa dems did change the rules to allow for the objective math errors to be corrected during the recanvass step, so its entirely unclear what the recount will establish

https://i.gyazo.com/df3260608f1428db40da667f01616eeb.png

[Will Hunting]

if the goal is the put the private insurance companies in real trouble you're already striving for M4A
Just saw this now...M4A is definitely what I’m striving for, my point is that a robust public option that can be done with 51 senators instead of 60 might be the most pragmatic bridge to get us there.

[baseline bum]

Just saw this now...M4A is definitely what I’m striving for, my point is that a robust public option that can be done with 51 senators instead of 60 might be the most pragmatic bridge to get us there.

Only need 50 + VP.

[spurraider21]

Just saw this now...M4A is definitely what I’m striving for, my point is that a robust public option that can be done with 51 senators instead of 60 might be the most pragmatic bridge to get us there.
agree that it would be easier to get through. my concern is that it doesnt do much of anything to address cost of services, which is really a root problem is the whole system we have. and if it ends up not working out because of that, it's going to be a terrible "audition" for a government plan and would actually hurt M4A chances

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1230959505359474689

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1230965137126891521

[baseline bum]

LMAO at Biden's ad against Bloomberg

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[Reck]

Nevada dems already in damage control because they know they'll fuck up just like Iowa. I'm glad.

Maybe this is the nail in the coffin for caucuses.

[Reck]

LMAO at Biden's ad against Bloomberg

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:lol

No way his incompetent campaign came up with this. Funny and effective nonetheless. Bloomberg is actually taking support from him so it makes sense for him to go after him.

[ElNono]

Quick reminder Bernie's absurd healthcare plan exists literally nowhere on planet Earth

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I normally would say the whole banning private insurance bit is not necessary, but the US might be the exception. I mean if we’re going to even pretend that Bernies plan has any chance above 0% of passing, I would actually think Insurance companies would sabotage that shit like there’s no tomorrow.

As far as point 3, it’s a bit disingenuous... a lot of those countries do actually provide all of those except dental, and for point 4, what kind of deductibles are we talking about? $5000 or $30?

[ElNono]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1230959505359474689

Yeah that’s totally bad. Terrible.

[Spurtacular]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewHClark/status/1230959505359474689

Not suspicious at all.

Amirite, Neutered ChumpDumper?

[Winehole23]

Yeah that’s totally bad. Terrible.IA and NV caucuses are all bollixed up. Just have a straight up vote.

[SnakeBoy]

LMAO at Biden's ad against Bloomberg

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Those aren't Bloomberg's real texts. Fake news, election meddling, ban from twitter.

[ElNono]

IA and NV caucuses are all bollixed up. Just have a straight up vote.

I wouldn’t even trust them to have a do over, or two.

[Reck]

So are we all in agreement Biden's campaign comes to an end tonight if he doesn't at the very least place second? Another 3rd, 4th finishes the job for him.

Klobuchar also should say her goodnight.

[spurraider21]

So are we all in agreement Biden's campaign comes to an end tonight if he doesn't at the very least place second? Another 3rd, 4th finishes the job for him.

Klobuchar also should say her goodnight.
Biden won’t bow out until South Carolina. There are a good amount of delegates there relative to the other early states. And last chance for momentum before Super Tuesday

[Will Hunting]

All the entry polling in Nevada is pointing towards a landslide Sanders win.

[Reck]

The real fight will be for second place.

3 way tie seems like between Biden, Warren and Buttiegieg.

[Winehole23]

The real fight will be for second place.

3 way tie seems like between Biden, Warren and Buttiegieg.Bye bye Klobuchar

[boutons_deux]

NV is the first "diverse" population, after lilly white IA and NH

If Bernie wins big, he'll be looking great, Big Mo, for Super Tuesday, and could be unstoppable.

neoliberal Big$$ establishment center-right Dems must be shitting their shorts.

[Will Hunting]

The real fight will be for second place.

3 way tie seems like between Biden, Warren and Buttiegieg.
I think Biden and Buttplug are going to get phased out of a lot of the precincts by being just under 15%.

The two precincts CNN has shown so far have Sanders and Warren as the only two candidates getting delegates. I know it’s an insignificant sample size but you get the point.

[Reck]

Bye bye Klobuchar

Didn't even have a captain in one of the caucus sites CNN showed. lol

[Reck]

I think Biden and Buttplug are going to get phased out of a lot of the precincts by being just under 15%.

The two precincts CNN has shown so far have Sanders and Warren as the only two candidates getting delegates. I know it’s an insignificant sample size but you get the point.

Yeah saw that.

Or either Biden's camp or vice versa decides they want to back the other to meet the 15% threshold. This process is so shitty, I hate caucus.

[Will Hunting]

Klobuchar is fucking done.

[Reck]

MSNBC dumped partial early voting. Bernie has a massive lead of over 30%. Biden second with 18% and Pete with 15%

[Reck]

baseline bum (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) for future reference the link from last time that got the result faster.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/22/21144364/nevada-caucus-live-results-2020

[Will Hunting]

MSNBC dumped partial early voting. Bernie has a massive lead of over 30%. Biden second with 18% and Pete with 15%
Link?

[Will Hunting]

:lol Sanders is crushing it. How long until Matthews starts flipping out on MSNBC?

[ElNono]

Voting machines suddenly broken, counting coming to a sudden stop, resumes with buttplug above bernie by 10% coming in 3, 2, 1...

[Reck]

Link?

On TV. CNN also has it up to 5%.

Bernie: 3k
Biden 1.5k
Buttiegieg 1.2k

[Reck]

:lol Sanders is crushing it. How long until Matthews starts flipping out on MSNBC?

Those people are miserable. Had to change the channel when this old bald fuck started talking about how Bernie is doom and will be unstoppable unless someone does something. (Cheat)

[Will Hunting]

Those people are miserable. Had to change the channel when this old bald fuck started talking about how Bernie is doom and will be unstoppable unless someone does something. (Cheat)
Wonder if Claire McKaskunt will make her usual appearance with a horseshit narrative about moderates being amazing.

[koriwhat]

Those people are miserable. Had to change the channel when this old bald fuck started talking about how Bernie is doom and will be unstoppable unless someone does something. (Cheat)

i hope they do cheat him out and disappoint all you fucking commies in the process once again. :tu

[ElNono]

But hey guys, if you add up Biden, Buttplug and Bloomberg votes, they're winning!

[Reck]

Wonder if Claire McKaskunt will make her usual appearance with a horseshit narrative about moderates being amazing.

:lmao already there.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao already there.
Yeah I’ll end up throwing my TV out the window if I try to watch that bitch.

[baseline bum]

Wonder if Claire McKaskunt will make her usual appearance with a horseshit narrative about moderates being amazing.

I know how to win in red states (by having my opponent be the candidate of legitimate rape)

[Reck]

But hey guys, if you add up Biden, Buttplug and Bloomberg votes, they're winning!

You laugh now but that's exactly the format they're using for this.

Between Klobuchar, Buttiegieg and Warren failing to meet 15% in most of these thus far, supporters from them are splitting between Bernie and Biden right now.

[Will Hunting]

You laugh now but that's exactly the format they're using for this.

Between Klobuchar, Buttiegieg and Warren failing to meet 15% in most of these thus far, supporters from them are splitting between Bernie and Biden right now.
Right, and Bernie is kicking Biden’s teeth in so far.

[boutons_deux]

6% in, Sanders 42%, everybody else below 20%

If that's predictive, the nomination looks like it's Sanders' to lose.

[Reck]

CNN is equally as terrible. Van Jones is such an uncle Tom.

[ElNono]

gonna go troll in that Timmy thread upstairs, brb :lol

[Will Hunting]

CNN is equally as terrible. Van Jones is such an uncle Tom.
He tries so hard to sound impartial when he talks about Sanders but you can tell how much he wants to go on a Chris Matthews-like rant about Sanders.

[Reck]

Right, and Bernie is kicking Biden’s teeth in so far.

Klobuchar and Pete are taking too much space. One or the two need to drop out if Biden wants to survive.

This is an interesting quagmire. Amy and Pete cant compete in non white places while Biden can in both. I think the reason he lost so badly with old whites last two times was because Pete took most of his votes in Iowa and Amy in NH.

All in all, I'm happy Bloomberg is just an after thought at this point. I was worried he was gaining too much momentum.

[Will Hunting]

Is anyone else watching CNN having deja vu with all these JG Wentworth commercials that were a big thing like 15 years ago :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Looks like Dems won't be getting my vote in the general

RIP Elena

[baseline bum]

Looks like Dems won't be getting my vote in the general

RIP Elena

You still got Bloomie, man.

[Will Hunting]

You still got Bloomie, man.
Was gonna say that Bloomer and Buttplug are running on platforms to the right of Karen’s campaign.

[SnakeBoy]

You still got Bloomie, man.

Can't do that

I would've crossed over man :cry

[Reck]

Elena pulling a Biden and bailing out of Neveda early. Back in Minnesota. :lol bitch stay there

[Reck]

hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) how you liking those 8 votes for little old gabby so far? :lol 2024 son

[baseline bum]

Can't do that

I would've crossed over man :cry

You don't have to cross over to vote Bloomie tho

[baseline bum]

Elena pulling a Biden and bailing out of Neveda early. Back in Minnesota. :lol bitch stay there

:cry vaya con dios, elena :cry

[Will Hunting]

Bernie’s lead is getting as wide as Donna Brazile’s ass...imo Buttplug will still make a small comeback when the rural white crazies have votes come in.

[Will Hunting]

:cry vaya con dios, elena :cry
I’m confused now, what’s her name? Karen or Elena?

[Reck]

I’m confused now, what’s her name? Karen or Elena?

She gave herself the name Elena to pander to latinos.

[baseline bum]

I’m confused now, what’s her name? Karen or Elena?

I thought elena was wetvack por Karen

[Will Hunting]

She gave herself the name Elena to pander to latinos.
Jesus Christ are you fucking serious :lmao

[baseline bum]

Jesus Christ are you fucking serious :lmao

nm

[Reck]

I’m confused now, what’s her name? Karen or Elena?

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:lmao

[baseline bum]

Jesus Christ are you fucking serious :lmao

EDIT, actually, take it back. She said she was called Elena back in fourth grade Spanish class.

[baseline bum]

Elena pulling a Biden and bailing out of Neveda early. Back in Minnesota. :lol bitch stay there

Can't believe she didn't stay to speak to the caucus' manager.

[Will Hunting]

EDIT, actually, take it back. She said she was called Elena back in fourth grade Spanish class.
Yeah I’d agree with classifying that as her making up a name to pander to Latinos so don’t take it back :lol

[ElNono]

You gotta hand it to Putin, he does know how to influence elections, tbh

[Will Hunting]

Can't believe she didn't stay to speak to the caucus' manager.
:lmao she tried and didn’t get anywhere, she’s going to write a complaint letter to corporate and get him fired!

[Reck]

Warren getting skullfucked between rounds. She's losing 300 voters per.

[boutons_deux]

9% in, same as above Sanders +40%, all others -20%

[baseline bum]

So is Chris Matthews just drinking Jack Daniels from the bottle and smacking up McCaskill a little on MSNBC right now?

[Reck]

Now the official count has Bernie first and Warren second. :lol

What is even happening

[Will Hunting]

Elena is giving a speech cross our fingers she’s suspending her campaign.

[Will Hunting]

Fuck this stupid bitch for trying to compare herself to the likes of FDR and Paul Wellstone.

[Reck]

Klobuchar: We're exceeding expectations in Neveda.

Is in last place. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Now the official count has Bernie first and Warren second. :lol

What is even happeningI thought only rube land has been reporting so far.

Seriously, fuck caucuses.

[baseline bum]

Fuck this stupid bitch for trying to compare herself to the likes of FDR and Paul Wellstone.

Now Elena is talking about how she can get moderate Republican voters like SnakeBoy.

[Will Hunting]

I thought only rube land has been reporting so far.

Seriously, fuck caucuses.
The delay in getting the results in is insane....it’s been at 10% reported for like an hour now.

[Reck]

Now Elena is talking about how she can get moderate Republican voters like SnakeBoy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12109).

She'll announce she's dropping out by the middle of next week.

[Will Hunting]

She’s a little thick but I’d smash Biden’s granddaughter.

[Reck]

These simultaneous count is stupid as fuck. One has 1%, another one has 4% and the last one has 10%.

Wow

I'm fairly certain Biden just had a mini stroke on stage just now. :lol

[Reck]

Why does Pete forces at least 2 blacks to be behind him at the podium? That's not gonna change they hate you. :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol Chris Matthews' tears :lol

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[florige]

:lol Chris Matthews' tears :lol

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Repugs butts tightening just a little.

[Will Hunting]

Why does Pete forces at least 2 blacks to be behind him at the podium? That's not gonna change they hate you. :lol
Yeah superficial pandering to black people needs to be more subtle (the way Hillary and Biden do it). They generally don’t like the over the top shameless pandering with token black appearances.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Chris Matthews' tears :lol

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Sanders’ campaign should crucify MSNBC over this

[Reck]

Damn Warren is going to make it two in a row with no delegates it seems. And I dont think she gets 15% in SC either. Hard times

[Millennial_Messiah]

She’s a little thick but I’d smash Biden’s granddaughter.

pics?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Damn Warren is going to make it two in a row with no delegates it seems. And I dont think she gets 15% in SC either. Hard times

Bernie and Bloomberg each took half her cookie. I think it's time for her to suspend and back Bernie.

[baseline bum]

Shit I didn't know Bernie was doing a rally in San Antonio tonight. Damn I would have gone to that.

[ChumpDumper]

This victory speech is so pie-in-the-sky. I'll vote for the guy but I hope we're not Corbyning this thing.

[Reck]

This victory speech is so pie-in-the-sky. I'll vote for the guy but I hope we're not Corbyning this thing.

It's happening either way if Pete/Amy/Warren dont drop out. I like how they're so afraid of Bernie winning but dont do the right thing which is come to an understanding and have everyone drop out but one. Doesn't matter who it is as long as there are only 2 people running.

[Will Hunting]

It's happening either way if Pete/Amy/Warren dont drop out. I like how they're so afraid of Bernie winning but dont do the right thing which is come to an understanding and have everyone drop out but one. Doesn't matter who it is as long as there are only 2 people running.
The head to head polls they’ve done have Bernie up big on Buttplug and Klobuchar and up on Warren just by a lesser amount.

Its simply wrong to assume Bernie loses if this becomes a 2 person race.

[Pelicans78]

Trump and Bernie are your typical politicians who fool the working class with large empty promises while rarely delivering. These types of politicians do well in 3rd world countries because the poor/middle class will rise up believing empty lies.

[Will Hunting]

Trump and Bernie are your typical politicians who fool the working class with large empty promises while rarely delivering. These types of politicians do well in 3rd world countries because the poor/middle class will rise up believing empty lies.
Aren’t you a doctor?

Youre probably worried that you won’t be able to price gouge patients and fuck them over that much longer :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It's happening either way if Pete/Amy/Warren dont drop out. I like how they're so afraid of Bernie winning but dont do the right thing which is come to an understanding and have everyone drop out but one. Doesn't matter who it is as long as there are only 2 people running.I don't think that would be Corbyning. I do agree a brokered convention would make Democrats even more petty and pissy than they are now.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's happening either way if Pete/Amy/Warren dont drop out. I like how they're so afraid of Bernie winning but dont do the right thing which is come to an understanding and have everyone drop out but one. Doesn't matter who it is as long as there are only 2 people running.

Amy is too far down there, losing her wouldn't move the needle. Now Warren dropping out would be interesting.

[Reck]

The head to head polls they’ve done have Bernie up big on Buttplug and Klobuchar and up on Warren just by a lesser amount.

Its simply wrong to assume Bernie loses if this becomes a 2 person race.

Totally with you on that one. It's not a guarantee thing but certainly improves their chances greatly.

Consolidating the moderate vote into one bloc its a great thing for a Biden or Buttigieg type.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't think that would be Corbyning. I do agree a brokered convention would make Democrats even more petty and pissy than they are now.

Heck

I'd vote for Corbyn for US president (2nd non-US born president out of three, tbh) before I'd vote for Hillary.

[ChumpDumper]

(2nd non-US born president out of three, tbh)
?

[Pelicans78]

Aren’t you a doctor?

Youre probably worried that you won’t be able to price gouge patients and fuck them over that much longer :lol

I work for a hospital so I get a salary and make on how many people I see so it doesn’t effect me whether I see private or medicaid/Medicare patient but I know what kind of effect ACA has had on healthcare overall due to CMS guidelines. Medicare is already a broken system which isn’t maintaining financially with only covering elderly and disabled. It will be impossible to cover everyone and maintain decent healthcare. It’s not financially viable.

[Will Hunting]

Totally with you on that one. It's not a guarantee thing but certainly improves their chances greatly.

Consolidating the moderate vote into one bloc its a great thing for a Biden or Buttigieg type.
I’m not sure if it helps them. If it becomes a 2 person race and Bernie wins a majority of the pledged delegates then the DNC has no choice come convention time....if he only wins by a plurality but only has 35% to 40% of the total vote then they can just fuck him over come convention time.

[Will Hunting]

I work for a hospital so I get a salary and make on how many people I see so it doesn’t effect me whether I see private or medicaid/Medicare patient but I know what kind of effect ACA has had on healthcare overall due to CMS guidelines. Medicare is already a broken system which isn’t maintaining financially with only covering elderly and disabled. It will be impossible to cover everyone and maintain decent healthcare. It’s not financially viable.
Sorry bro but the kickbacks you’re getting from Purdue Pharma might be coming to an end :lol

[Reck]

Aren’t you a doctor?

Youre probably worried that you won’t be able to price gouge patients and fuck them over that much longer :lol

This is another thing I notice a lot with moderate voters. They're piss mad at Bernie for actually being on their side (BS promise or not) but they love themselves a Biden, Bloomberg type because MODERATE VIEWS.

I understand rich people siding with the establishment but people who are dirt poor cheering Bloomberg is hilarious to me. Dumb fucks.

[spurraider21]

A brokered convention would only make sense if there was the narrowest of pluralities... like if there was a 30-25-24 split or something. Otherwise its a fix plain and simple

[baseline bum]

Sanders’ campaign should crucify MSNBC over this

Bernie's camp already says they get a fairer shake from Fox than MSNBC.

[Pelicans78]

Sorry bro but the kickbacks you’re getting from Purdue Pharma might be coming to an end :lol

I guess you can’t read. I’m not a private physician. I work for a hospital so I see all kinds of patients. I would school you any day of the week in healthcare. You don’t live it. I know what kind of effect Medicare is already having on patient care. Medicare doesn’t care about patient care. It cares about controlling costs. You’ve been duped by a politician just like any other 3rd world voter :toast

[Will Hunting]

Bernie's camp already says they get a fairer shake from Fox than MSNBC.
Not good enough, they need to go full blown le happy merchant / :cry muh holocaust :cry so MSNBC is gun shy about going after him now.

[Reck]

Bernie's camp already says they get a fairer shake from Fox than MSNBC.

While true I wouldn't use Fox for any sort of examples. Tulsi also used this logic and she has fallen through the fucking floor.

[Will Hunting]

I guess you can’t read. I’m not a private physician. I work for a hospital so I see all kinds of patients. I would school you any day of the week in healthcare. You don’t live it. I know what kind of effect Medicare is already having on patient care. Medicare doesn’t care about patient care. It cares about controlling costs. You’ve been duped by a politician just like any other 3rd world voter :toast
How many patients have you killed with opioid prescriptions in the last year :lol

[Pelicans78]

None of these moderates have a better chance beating Trump than Bernie. He’s the one who can best challenge Trump in the swing states and probably could have beaten him in 2016.

[Millennial_Messiah]

?

kenya-nyc-england

[Millennial_Messiah]

How many patients have you killed with opioid prescriptions in the last year :lol

To be fair, Opioid prescriptions are pretty awesome. I'd be miserable without my Hydrocodone and clonazepam for the forseeable past.

[Pelicans78]

How many patients have you killed with opioid prescriptions in the last year :lol

That’s right. Bow down. That’s the best you can do. Emojis has always been your best argument. Keep using them.

[Will Hunting]

That’s right. Bow down. That’s the best you can do. Emojis has always been your best argument. Keep using them.
Keep killing patients and stacking them Purdue Pharma checks. Enjoy it while it lasts :lol

[Pelicans78]

Keep killing patients and stacking them Purdue Pharma checks. Enjoy it while it lasts :lol

Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp

[Will Hunting]

Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp
Can I get some?

https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/36JNHIGJEMI6TIP6ZJDORVLTYA.jpg

[Pelicans78]

Gotta pass a piss test first.

[Will Hunting]

Gotta pass a piss test first.
On a serious note I personally think Medicare should be about controlling costs. We shouldn’t be paying billions of dollars to keep 85 year old vegetables living in their own piss and shit alive as long as possible the way we do now.

[ElNono]

Trump and Bernie are your typical politicians who fool the working class with large empty promises while rarely delivering. These types of politicians do well in 3rd world countries because the poor/middle class will rise up believing empty lies.

What's the opposite type? Politicians who tell you the truth and let you know they've had their campaign paid for by rich people to make them more rich, while the middle/poor class continues to get fucked over?

[SnakeBoy]

I guess you can’t read. I’m not a private physician. I work for a hospital so I see all kinds of patients. I would school you any day of the week in healthcare. You don’t live it. I know what kind of effect Medicare is already having on patient care. Medicare doesn’t care about patient care. It cares about controlling costs. You’ve been duped by a politician just like any other 3rd world voter :toast

Stop posting and get your jelly beans done

[Reck]

Buttigieg lost his 15% threshold. :lol

Bernie leading by nearly 50%. :wow

[Pelicans78]

On a serious note I personally think Medicare should be about controlling costs. We shouldn’t be paying billions of dollars to keep 85 year old vegetables living in their own piss and shit alive as long as possible the way we do now.

It gets complicated because the families want to do everything especially in the South. Luckily Medicare covers end of life care really well (because it supports letting those patients die).

[Pelicans78]

What's the opposite type? Politicians who tell you the truth and let you know they've had their campaign paid for by rich people to make them more rich, while the middle/poor class continues to get fucked over?

It’s complicated. Democracies cater to the majority, so politicians have to pander. Trump promised the world in 2016 but he’s only benefitted the rich with his tax cuts.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/cockycat/status/1231435925680513024?s=21

:lmao

[Reck]

So they're not rigging the elections then? You have to make up your mind on them.

[Spurtacular]

So they're not rigging the elections then? You have to make up your mind on them.

Did the Democrats rig the 2016 primaries, tranny?

[Winehole23]

Mr. Smarty Pants level of veracity (i.e., overheard at a party or read somewhere, but have not verified) that Sanders is the first candidate of either party to win the popular vote in the first three primaries.

Underscores Bernie's unelectability, right?

1231365123836698625

[Reck]

Did the Democrats rig the 2016 primaries, tranny?

No, fag.

How do you exactly rig the election when one person got out voted by nearly 3 million? Playing favorites is not rigging an election.

[Reck]

Mr. Smarty Pants level of veracity (i.e., overheard at a party or read somewhere, but have not verified) that Sanders is the first candidate of either party to win the popular vote in the first three primaries.

Underscores Bernie's unelectability, right?

1231365123836698625

This is exactly what creeps me out about Bernie supporters. They're just as cringy and weird as trump supporters with their shit memes.

[Winehole23]

This is exactly what creeps me out about Bernie supporters. They're just as cringy and weird as trump supporters with their shit memes.Way to unify behind the candidate most likely to beat Trump. Polls have said so for four years running.

Nobody has higher favorability ratings, inside the party and overall, why the sour face?

[Spurtacular]

Playing favorites is not rigging an election.

https://i.gifer.com/EE9O.gif

[ChumpDumper]

This is exactly what creeps me out about Bernie supporters. They're just as cringy and weird as trump supporters with their shit memes.Yep. Gonna be weird when they die. Might be Stalin or Kim Il Sung-like wailing.

[Spurtacular]

No, fag.

How do you exactly rig the election when one person got out voted by nearly 3 million?

How did Hillary lose Wyoming by twelve percent and still win the delegate count?

Dems sent a message and clear: DON'T BOTHER TO SHOW UP; YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT ANYWAYS.

[ChumpDumper]

Way to unify behind the candidate most likely to beat Trump. Polls have said so for four years running.

Nobody has higher favorability ratings, inside the party and overall, why the sour face?I'll still vote for him as I've said all along. Don't get so pissy. You're proving his point.

[Spurtacular]

Yep. Gonna be weird when they die. Might be Stalin or Kim Il Sung-like wailing.

Chump getting his last lash-outs in before having to suck it up and dick ride Bernie. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Way to unify behind the candidate most likely to beat Trump. Polls have said so for four years running.

Nobody has higher favorability ratings, inside the party and overall, why the sour face?

Blakehole admonishing chumpettes. :lmao

[Winehole23]

I'll still vote for him as I've said all along. Don't get so pissy. You're proving his point.lol you're touchy.

I was teasing reck.

[Spurtacular]

I'll still vote for him as I've said all along. Don't get so pissy. You're proving his point.

:lmao Chump falling in line.

[Winehole23]

Stick up his butt about Bernie for some reason. Everybody has foibles.

[ChumpDumper]

lol you're touchy.

I was teasing reck.Who can tell?

[Spurtacular]

lol you're touchy.

I was teasing reck.

Chump been dreading this day for years, blakehole.

Give the little guy some time.

Don't worry; he'll be fully back to his sperm shielding self before you know it!

[Reck]

Way to unify behind the candidate most likely to beat Trump. Polls have said so for four years running.

Nobody has higher favorability ratings, inside the party and overall, why the sour face?

This idea I have to be nice to Bernie supporters is cute. I dont vote out of fear.

[Spurtacular]

This idea I have to be nice to Bernie supporters is cute. I dont vote out of fear.

So, you voted for Hillary out of love?

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Who can tell?

Contextually. I replied to a direct quote.

[Winehole23]

This idea I have to be nice to Bernie supporters is cute. I dont vote out of fear.

No one said you had to be nice to anybody. By all means vote for Bloomberg or Trump if it makes you feel bettter about yourself.

[Reck]

Funny too because Winehole is the second poster to say welp, I'll vote bernie because I'm afraid his supporters will just vote for someone else if I dont give up my vote. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Contextually. I replied to a direct quote.

:lmao Chump was lashing out, contextually.

[Reck]

Way to unify behind the candidate most likely to beat Trump. Polls have said so for four years running.

Nobody has higher favorability ratings, inside the party and overall, why the sour face?


No one said you had to be nice to anybody. Vote for Bloomberg or Trump if it makes you feel bettter about yourself.

Then what is the OP for? I'm making fun of Bernie's supporters, not of Bernie and you got triggered.

And see, you're just posting out of ignorance. I hate Bloomberg just as fervently. I have said as much. Go dunk your head in water, you might be drunk.

[Winehole23]

Funny too because Winehole is the second poster to say welp, I'll vote bernie because I'm afraid his supporters will just vote for someone else if I dont give up my vote. :lolWrong.

Bernie Sanders is my first choice. Elizabeth Warren after that.

And yeah, if it comes down to Bloomberg/Trump I'll vote for Bloomberg even if it makes me sick to my stomach

[Spurtacular]

Funny too because Winehole is the second poster to say welp, I'll vote bernie because I'm afraid his supporters will just vote for someone else if I dont give up my vote. :lol

Is Blakehole still a conservative to your mind?

:lmao Chumpettes tried to sell that sh** for years before I got here and called them out on it.

[ChumpDumper]

Contextually. I replied to a direct quote.Fooled me.

[Winehole23]

Then what is the OP for? I'm making fun of Bernie's supporters, not of Bernie and you got triggered.

And see, you're just posting out of ignorance. I hate Bloomberg just as fervently. I have said as much. Go dunk your head in water, you might be drunk.And I was making fun of people who say Bernie Bro meanies need to unify behind the most electable candidate.

Damn you're a sourpuss!

:lol

[Reck]

Wrong.

Bernie Sanders is my first choice. Elizabeth Warren after that.

I'll vote for Bloomberg even if it makes me sick to my stomach

Ah. I wouldn't.

Only two candidates I'm willing to vote for that have a realistic shot are Biden and yes, Bernie. Despite his supporters.

[Winehole23]

Fooled me.Guess I didn't use enough emojis, silly me, I thought the Dr. Manhattan meme was humorous all by itself.

[Winehole23]

The Chris Matthews meltdown continues. He just compared Sanders winning Nevada to the fall of France to the Nazis.

[ElNono]

It’s complicated. Democracies cater to the majority, so politicians have to pander. Trump promised the world in 2016 but he’s only benefitted the rich with his tax cuts.

It really isn't that complicated. Elections are a popularity contest, and free shit is popular. Vilifying the obvious villains is popular too, and politicos love to do that during their campaigns (even though most don't follow through).

I would actually argue that Bernie, even though will likely pass nothing of what he promises if elected due to Congress, has been pretty consistent with his messaging/truth bombing over the years, something that I also think adds up to some of his likeability in general.

[Winehole23]

Primary voters are fired up, record numbers in IA, NH and NV. Expanding the electorate will be key to beating Trump.

[Reck]

BTW, completely unnaceptable that the dems failed to put out adequate results in time. It felt to the networks to do the leg work.

There are at least 3 more caucusus to go through this year too. :lol

[Spurtacular]

BTW, completely unnaceptable that the dems failed to put out adequate results in time.

Gee, why would that have happened, eunuch?

[Spurtacular]

Primary voters are fired up, record numbers in IA, NH and NV. Expanding the electorate will be key to beating Trump.

Yea, tons of Americans are gonna rally for Commie Cuck; amirite, blakehole?

[phxspurfan]

Barnard Fuckin' Sanders y'all

[Spurtacular]

Barnard Fuckin' Sanders y'all

You getting a thrill up your leg?

[DarrinS]

Please let Bernie win the nom. please please

[Reck]

Please let Bernie win the nom. please please

This is the same shit I said about Trump. You conservatives are going to regret if he does. I’ll be here for it too.

[phxspurfan]

Pete Buttigieg warns against nominating Sanders as Vermont senator gains momentum

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/22/politics/pete-buttigieg-nevada/index.html

The former South Bend, Indiana, mayor used his final speech in Nevada on Saturday to first congratulate the Vermont senator on winning the state's caucuses before lambasting the message animating Sanders' campaign, attacking his movement as a "inflexible, ideological revolution"



What a pussy ass Gen Z bitch. Typical of them to be scared into representing a majority when what the world needs is a revolucion

[rmt]

Bernie's basic philosophy is NUTTY - work hard, achieve something and have the government take it from you and give to someone else who didn't. What does that do to anyone who strives to better his life, and why should someone who gets free x, y and z work? Pretty soon, no one will work. There ain't nothing that's for free.

So what do tell my son - no, you have to reject that elite university which I can't afford and go to a state university but that other person who racked up thousands in debt is gonna get it forgiven (and regardless of Bernie saying the RICH will pay for it, we all know that in the end, the middle class gets stuck with the bill).

[Winehole23]

Yea, tons of Americans are gonna rally for Commie Cuck; amirite, blakehole?It could happen. Trump sucks enough to drive people to it, and people seem to like Bernie for some reason -- he is the most popular (highest approval rating inside his party and overall) politician in America.

[Spurtacular]

It could happen. Trump sucks enough to drive people to it, and people seem to like Bernie for some reason -- he is the most popular (highest approval rating inside his party and overall) politician in America.

You still haven't learned your lesson that the polls are BS? After Trump wipes the floor with Commie Cuck will you then know?

[picnroll]

Sanders is McGovern redux. Goodbye House.

[Pelicans78]

It really isn't that complicated. Elections are a popularity contest, and free shit is popular. Vilifying the obvious villains is popular too, and politicos love to do that during their campaigns (even though most don't follow through).

I would actually argue that Bernie, even though will likely pass nothing of what he promises if elected due to Congress, has been pretty consistent with his messaging/truth bombing over the years, something that I also think adds up to some of his likeability in general.

Whatever Bernie can’t pass thru Congress, he’ll use Executive Orders just like Trump. He’s no less on an authoritarian than Trump. They’re both two sides of the same coin.

[Pelicans78]

Please let Bernie win the nom. please please

He’ll give Trump trouble in the rustbelt states and with the working class. Plus he seems to be doing really well with Latinos. If he can coalesce the African-American vote, look out. He’ll be a much tougher opponent than Hillary in 2016.

[baseline bum]

Sanders is McGovern redux. Goodbye House.

McGovern was running against a guy with a 60+% approval rating in a country whose voters still believed in it. This is not 1972, it's 2020 and people hate the establishment. I think it would be insane to run another Clinton Democrat after voters gave the Democratic party an enormous middle finger on 11-9. People hate the Democratic party and widely (and correctly IMO) view it as throwing the working class under the bus. The Democrats need to learn something from 2016 instead of blaming Russia.

[Pelicans78]

Sanders is McGovern redux. Goodbye House.

He has a much bigger tent than McGovern.

[Pelicans78]

McGovern was running against a guy with a 60+% approval rating in a country whose voters still believed in it. This is not 1972, it's 2020 and people hate the establishment. I think it would be insane to run another Clinton Democrat after voters gave the Democratic party an enormous middle finger on 11-9. People hate the Democratic party and widely (and correctly IMO) view it as throwing the working class under the bus.

Bill Clinton and Obama would have beaten Trump because they’re better politicians. Hillary wasn’t nearly as well-liked as either which made her more vulnerable. The centrist Dems have the same problem now with no JFK/Bill/Obama figure while Bernie is clearly the most popular candidate running because he’s authentic.

[Will Hunting]

Bill Clinton and Obama would have beaten Trump because they’re better politicians. Hillary wasn’t nearly as well-liked as either which made her more vulnerable. The centrist Dems have the same problem now with no JFK/Bill/Obama figure while Bernie is clearly the most popular candidate running because he’s authentic.
Obama ran as a progressive (hope and change!) but ended up being a moderate. I’d hardly call him an example of a successful moderate Dem campaign. Slick Willy is the one instance of centrist Dem success in a presidential election and it only worked because of a 3rd party who siphoned votes from Daddy Bush. Meanwhile Gore Kerry and Shillary were all examples of centrist Dems fucking the pooch.

Centrist Dems simply have a shitty track record at winning general elections, and if not for Ross Perot they’d have an even worse track record.

[picnroll]

McGovern was running against a guy with a 60+% approval rating in a country whose voters still believed in it. This is not 1972, it's 2020 and people hate the establishment. I think it would be insane to run another Clinton Democrat after voters gave the Democratic party an enormous middle finger on 11-9. People hate the Democratic party and widely (and correctly IMO) view it as throwing the working class under the bus. The Democrats need to learn something from 2016 instead of blaming Russia.
McGovern lost every state but Massachusetts. Young voters, I was one, were going to carry him to victory. Sanders will do better than McGovern but I’ll bet you $1000 dollars he loses to Trump and Democrats lose the house. Stupid Millennials would rather lose with Bernie than win with a centrist.

[hater]

McGovern lost every state but Massachusetts. Young voters, I was one, were going to carry him to victory. Sanders will do better than McGovern but I’ll bet you $1000 dollars he loses to Trump and Democrats lose the house. Stupid Millennials would rather lose with Bernie than win with a centrist.

:lmao you think buttman, or Biden or :lmao Bloombarf would beat Trump????

:lmao holy moly


did you miss what happened in 2016? :lol

[baseline bum]

McGovern lost every state but Massachusetts. Young voters, I was one, were going to carry him to victory. Sanders will do better than McGovern but I’ll bet you $1000 dollars he loses to Trump and Democrats lose the house. Stupid Millennials would rather lose with Bernie than win with a centrist.

Young voters voted for Nixon, your generation was never progressive. Stupid boomers think the Democrats need to keep moving right despite the mandate to stop that four years ago.

[baseline bum]

Obama ran as a progressive (hope and change!) but ended up being a moderate. I’d hardly call him an example of a successful moderate Dem campaign. Slick Willy is the one instance of centrist Dem success in a presidential election and it only worked because of a 3rd party who siphoned votes from Daddy Bush. Meanwhile Gore Kerry and Shillary were all examples of centrist Dems fucking the pooch.

Centrist Dems simply have a shitty track record at winning general elections, and if not for Ross Perot they’d have an even worse track record.

Obama 2012 is another example, but he pretty much only won that election because Romney ran on "hey, let's take your Medicare away."

[picnroll]

:lmao you think buttman, or Biden or :lmao Bloombarf would beat Trump????

:lmao holy moly


did you miss what happened in 2016? :lol
You think the Sandman can beat Trump and keep the House? Big part of the reason Dems have the House now is Bloomberg’s money. Not saying he’s a good alternative candidate but keep sniffing the Bernie glue.

[Reck]

The length some of you go to discredit people’s political success is astounding just because they don’t conform with your ideology.

Who was even the last progressive president this country had? Bernie and Warren are a new breed of progressive and up until this point they hadn’t won jack squad so I don’t understand the disdain for the way these parties have run for the past 50 years or so.

[Reck]

You think the Sandman can beat Trump and keep the House? Big part of the reason Dems have the House now is Bloomberg’s money. Not saying he’s a good alternative candidate but keep sniffing the Bernie glue.

:lmao the fuck you said?

[Pelicans78]

The more important question is who’s gonna be Bernie’s running mate.

[picnroll]

The more important question is who’s gonna be Bernie’s running mate.
Maybe AOC. That’s who Trump’s probably rooting for. He’s already rooting for Bernie.

[hater]

You think the Sandman can beat Trump and keep the House? Big part of the reason Dems have the House now is Bloomberg’s money. Not saying he’s a good alternative candidate but keep sniffing the Bernie glue.

sure Bernie can beat Trump. if he gets the black vote which looks good so far and latino which looks also good so far and ignite Obama type excitement which also looks good. he can beat Trump definitely

no moderate can do all the 3 things I listed above. so its down to Bernie with 50% chance to beat Trump vs a moderate with 0-10% chance


do the math

[ChumpDumper]

:lol hater is already calling 2020 both ways

[hater]

:lol hater is already calling 2020 both ways

huh?

[ChumpDumper]

huh?

Bernie with 50% chance to beat Trump
Bold.

[hater]

Bold.

you dont think it would be a toss up?

[Reck]

sure Bernie can beat Trump. if he gets the black vote which looks good so far and latino which looks also good so far and ignite Obama type excitement which also looks good. he can beat Trump definitely

no moderate can do all the 3 things I listed above. so its down to Bernie with 50% chance to beat Trump vs a moderate with 0-10% chance


do the math

:lol not how the math works.

:lol Trump having 90% chance of anything. Maybe of bankrupting

[ChumpDumper]

you dont think it would be a toss up?Nope. I called a Trump win regardless. Democrats aren't doing much to change my mind these days.

[hater]

Nope. I called a Trump win regardless.

ok I disagree

If Bernie somehow can survive DNC onslaught he has a chance of generating Obama type excitement which would give Trump a run for his money.

if you want me to call one side I say Bernie would win. but in reality is a virtual toss up

[vy65]

Nope. I called a Trump win regardless. Democrats aren't doing much to change my mind these days.

You don’t think Bernie is gonna get the vote out?

For the record, I agree with you on Trump being re-elected given where things are now.

[Reck]

You don’t think Bernie is gonna get the vote out?

For the record, I agree with you on Trump being re-elected given where things are now.

That’s not saying much. Things are in disarray right now because everyone running in the dem side and their supporters think they’re the only ones who can be Trump. Trump in the other hand has consolidated support and he can’t still crack 45%.

I fully expect democrats to come to terms with the eventual nominee and vote. Even Hillary was able to do that. How hard is it to get the 70K votes she left in the 3 states she lost?

No one currently running in the dem side is more shitty than Hillary save for Bloomberg. If we can’t better Hillary’s numbers than we deserve Trump for a term+.

[vy65]

That’s not saying much. Things are in disarray right now because everyone running in the dem side and their supporters think they’re the only ones who can be Trump. Trump in the other hand has consolidated support and he can’t still crack 45%.

I fully expect democrats to come to terms with the eventual nominee and vote. Even Hillary was able to do that. How hard is it to get the 70K votes she left in the 3 states she lost?

No one currently running in the dem side is more shitty than Hillary save for Bloomberg. If we can’t better Hillary’s numbers than we deserve Trump for a term+.

Yah maybe. I just see Trump having a field day with Bernie because of his past and his policies. This is all arm chair quarter backing on my part though.

[Pelicans78]

Bernie’s a strong campaigner and debater. He’s a really good candidate overall and he’s authentic and consistent. The major flaws are his age/health and far left policies. But his heart problems may be overrstated too.

[vy65]

Bernie’s a strong campaigner and debater. He’s a really good candidate overall and he’s authentic and consistent. The major flaws are his age/health and far left policies. But his heart problems may be overrstated too.

Disagree on his debating skills. He has skill the way Trump does: heavy on the bombast. I don’t think he’s as substantively good as Warren. He resorts to being loud and waving his hands.

[vy65]

He also misrepresents facts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/20/politics/sanders-bloomberg-socialist-president/index.html

Although I seriously doubt Trump is smart enough to pick up on shit like this.

[ChumpDumper]

You don’t think Bernie is gonna get the vote out?I think for every young person he gets to vote for him, one or two old people afraid of the s-word won't.

Two ancient men yelling at clouds will make for great debates tho.

[vy65]

I think for every young person he gets to vote for him, one or two old people afraid of the s-word won't.

Two ancient men yelling at clouds will make for great debates tho.

Agreed

[picnroll]

One thing I’ll give Bernie is he’s the most likely to trade jnsults with Trump on the debate stage. That should be entertaining.

[Spurminator]

Bernie's camp already says they get a fairer shake from Fox than MSNBC.

Russia, Trump, Fox News, and a lot of Republicans all favor Bernie as the Dem candidate. Hope it backfires on them.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1231379656613474309?s=21

[Spurminator]

I think for every young person he gets to vote for him, one or two old people afraid of the s-word won't.

Two ancient men yelling at clouds will make for great debates tho.

If those two old people would have otherwise voted Democrat, that would be a problem. I'm not sure how many elderly Dem voters-for-whom-socialism-is-a-dealbreaker we have, though. The kids will need to follow through and vote. You can't meme Bernie Sanders into the presidency.

[florige]

Russia, Trump, Fox News, and a lot of Republicans all favor Bernie as the Dem candidate. Hope it backfires on them.

Personally I think it will. I remember the Dems thinking the same thing about Trump in 2016. NO way he was going to beat the Clinton machine.

[florige]

Disagree on his debating skills. He has skill the way Trump does: heavy on the bombast. I don’t think he’s as substantively good as Warren. He resorts to being loud and waving his hands.


Hillary was supposedly this great debater and Trump pretty much wiped the floor with her. It’s gonna take a guy like Bernie who can get down and dirty with Trump and pretty much create sound bites for the networks to run with.

[florige]

:lmao you think buttman, or Biden or :lmao Bloombarf would beat Trump????

:lmao holy moly


did you miss what happened in 2016? :lol

For some reason everyone seems to have a brain fart as to what happened in 2016. Bernie is a gift from the heavens for the Dems against this particular president. Maybe any other year when we didn’t have a President this unorthodox, but this time around Bernie imo is the only candidate that will stand any real chance against that clown. I had my doubts in 2016 and look where it got us. Not making the same mistake again. Biden seems to be taking the Clinton route and wants to ride the Obama thing again. It didn’t work for Hillary and I’m not sure why Biden’s people think it will work for him against a incumbent who has his same group of hardcore followers
In his corner.

[ChumpDumper]

If those two old people would have otherwise voted Democrat, that would be a problem. I'm not sure how many elderly Dem voters-for-whom-socialism-is-a-dealbreaker we have, though.I think that number in rubeland is higher than many think.

[vy65]

Hillary was supposedly this great debater and Trump pretty much wiped the floor with her. It’s gonna take a guy like Bernie who can get down and dirty with Trump and pretty much create sound bites for the networks to run with.

Yeah that’s not debating

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1231379656613474309?s=21

:lol Get right on that, Aaron. On a good night even Hannity only reaches like 1% of the population.

[spurraider21]

Sanders is McGovern redux. Goodbye House.
Trump was Goldwater redux. Hello White House

[spurraider21]

Whatever Bernie can’t pass thru Congress, he’ll use Executive Orders just like Trump. He’s no less on an authoritarian than Trump. They’re both two sides of the same coin.
:lmao

[Winehole23]

Trump was Goldwater redux. Hello White HouseThat's what I thought. Got that exactly wrong.

If Sanders expands the electorate, he has a good chance. Trump doesn't have much downside wiggle room, he won in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got in 2012.

[Ball Buster]

:lol Get right on that, Aaron. On a good night even Hannity only reaches like 1% of the population.

He’s rightfully chastising MSNBC for their awful news coverage. When the news is brought to you by Raytheon in general electric, you get Talking Heads floating conspiracy theories about Russia gate. And then you get the rubes who repeat their bogus reporting without questioning anything. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

If those two old people would have otherwise voted Democrat, that would be a problem. I'm not sure how many elderly Dem voters-for-whom-socialism-is-a-dealbreaker we have, though. The kids will need to follow through and vote. You can't meme Bernie Sanders into the presidency.

It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.

[boutons_deux]

That's what I thought. Got that exactly wrong.

If Sanders expands the electorate, he has a good chance. Trump doesn't have much downside wiggle room, he won in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got in 2012.

there's been reports that REPUG suburban women have left Trump.

Bernie would get the youth, black (women), women, LGBT, and after NV, it looks like he getting the Hispanic vote. Trash is so bad, the mythical independents will probably vote anti-Trash

Trash/Repugs will always get the Macho Man / low-wage / low-ed rural male vote, even as Trash's govt has screwed their rural communities, esp health but Trash enriched so many of BigCorp / oligarchy, that they pour $100Ms in the Trash's lying/slandering/bullshitting campaign

btw, FL Repugs have also sent out false "IRS" letters. Repugs keep doing it, it must work, counting on the low-info, ignorant, dumbed-down, gullible people, esp the older ones, to fall for it. Repugs have always been the party that counts on, depends on voter ignorance, racism, xenophobia, hate.

If 2018 were a guide, the anybody-but-Trash/Repug crowd will be huge.

Turnour for the Dem candidates will be the decider

[vy65]

It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.

This.

[Winehole23]

This.Free shit costs money.

[vy65]

Free shit costs money.

A fact I’m well aware of, unfortunately. Would be nice if Comrade Bern offered me something beyond the opportunity to pay for my fellow Americans medical bills.

[Winehole23]

Biden cratering in SC, Steyer and Sanders with a solid bump.

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[Winehole23]

A fact I’m well aware of, unfortunately. Would be nice if Comrade Bern offered me something beyond the opportunity to pay for my fellow Americans medical bills.If his scheme passes, your medical bills would be paid for too, do you consider that nothing?

[florige]

Biden cratering in SC, Steyer and Sanders with a solid bump.

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This is really not good for Biden at all. He was up huge there.

[Trainwreck2100]

If his scheme passes, your medical bills would be paid for too, do you consider that nothing?

if you already have insurance it's nothing.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is really not good for Biden at all. He was up huge there.

it's an online poll