2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

[Spurs Homer]

leave Joe Biden out of this


:lol:lol

[florige]

Bloomberg might end up doing as well as Steyer in the end when the people actually vote. Almost every poll done in SC had him at or around 15-17% and he under perform them mightily.


I still can't understand how this guy is drawing any traction at all with any Dem voter. His commercials seem so scripted and fake its ridiculous. His latest commercial he has all these women talking about how great a guy he is.

[Will Hunting]

Bloomer announced that even if he does shitty on Super Tuesday he’s going to stay in the race which is good news for Sanders but it’s still dumb. The DNC should be pushing Warren and Bloomer to drop out ASAP. A straight up race between Sanders and Biden is the best way to avoid a brokered convention or controversy around who deserves to be nominee.

I know plenty of other BernieBros will still act butthurt but in a scenario where Sanders has a delegate lead over Biden after Super Tuesday but Biden still ends up with more delegates in a H2H race against Sanders after all the primaries are over it means Biden won fair and square w/o any super delegate help/momentum.

[DarrinS]

I'm still seeing Steyer ads. Wtf? :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Fox doing shows on the history of socialism starting with Lenin/Stalin

Setting the table tbh

[hater]

Fox doing shows on the history of socialism starting with Lenin/Stalin

Setting the table tbh

:lmao. terrified

[Trill Clinton]

leave Joe Biden out of this

lol

[Trill Clinton]

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[Socialist Boogeyman]

Fox doing shows on the history of socialism starting with Lenin/Stalin

Setting the table tbh
The plan is coming to fruition. Soon America will be a communist hellscape with healthcare for all and fewer billionaires! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[SnakeBoy]

I just heard Biden is now the youngest man in the race

Party of the future :lol

[Spurminator]

Bloomer announced that even if he does shitty on Super Tuesday he’s going to stay in the race which is good news for Sanders but it’s still dumb.

That's really dumb if true. I wonder if he's just saying that because to say otherwise might cost him some votes on ST.

I was bullish on Bloomberg's chances a couple of months ago, he was definitely taking the right approach focusing on states with a lot of delegates. But his marketing people were careless about outreach, the paying for influencer thing (which everyone does) was a bad look publicly, and the debate was poison. From talking to people on the inside, his biggest issue is he's surrounded by yes-men who don't challenge his worst instincts. Another unfortunate similarity to the current POTUS.

[spurraider21]

I just heard Biden is now the youngest man in the race

Party of the future :lol
where did you hear this?

[vy65]

where did you hear this?

Bernard Sanders is an American politician who has served as the junior United States Senator from Vermont since 2007 and as U.S. Representative for the state's at-large congressional district from 1991 to 2007. Wikipedia
Born: September 8, 1941 (age 78 years)

Michael Rubens Bloomberg is an American businessman, politician, philanthropist, and author. He is the majority owner and co-founder of Bloomberg L.P., was the mayor of New York City from 2002 to 2013, and is currently a candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Wikipedia
Born: February 14, 1942 (age 78 years)

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is an American politician who served as the 47th vice president of the United States from 2009 to 2017 and represented Delaware in the U.S. Senate from 1973 to 2009. A member of the Democratic Party, Biden is a candidate for president in the 2020 election. Wikipedia
Born: November 20, 1942 (age 77 years),

[florige]

That's really dumb if true. I wonder if he's just saying that because to say otherwise might cost him some votes on ST.

I was bullish on Bloomberg's chances a couple of months ago, he was definitely taking the right approach focusing on states with a lot of delegates. But his marketing people were careless about outreach, the paying for influencer thing (which everyone does) was a bad look publicly, and the debate was poison. From talking to people on the inside, his biggest issue is he's surrounded by yes-men who don't challenge his worst instincts. Another unfortunate similarity to the current POTUS.


Have you seen his awful commercials? They seem almost like infomercials how fake and phoney they look.

[spurraider21]

Bernard Sanders is an American politician who has served as the junior United States Senator from Vermont since 2007 and as U.S. Representative for the state's at-large congressional district from 1991 to 2007. Wikipedia
Born: September 8, 1941 (age 78 years)

Michael Rubens Bloomberg is an American businessman, politician, philanthropist, and author. He is the majority owner and co-founder of Bloomberg L.P., was the mayor of New York City from 2002 to 2013, and is currently a candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Wikipedia
Born: February 14, 1942 (age 78 years)

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is an American politician who served as the 47th vice president of the United States from 2009 to 2017 and represented Delaware in the U.S. Senate from 1973 to 2009. A member of the Democratic Party, Biden is a candidate for president in the 2020 election. Wikipedia
Born: November 20, 1942 (age 77 years),
oh, i didnt realize that everybody else dropped out too

[vy65]

oh, i didnt realize that everybody else dropped out too

Steyer and Mayor Pete were younger. It's a stupid fact that was trending on reddit earlier.

[Will Hunting]

Bernard Sanders is an American politician who has served as the junior United States Senator from Vermont since 2007 and as U.S. Representative for the state's at-large congressional district from 1991 to 2007. Wikipedia
Born: September 8, 1941 (age 78 years)

Michael Rubens Bloomberg is an American businessman, politician, philanthropist, and author. He is the majority owner and co-founder of Bloomberg L.P., was the mayor of New York City from 2002 to 2013, and is currently a candidate in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Wikipedia
Born: February 14, 1942 (age 78 years)

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is an American politician who served as the 47th vice president of the United States from 2009 to 2017 and represented Delaware in the U.S. Senate from 1973 to 2009. A member of the Democratic Party, Biden is a candidate for president in the 2020 election. Wikipedia
Born: November 20, 1942 (age 77 years),
You forgot the swamp creature that calls itself Elena. Imo it qualifies as a guy :lol

[Spurminator]

Have you seen his awful commercials? They seem almost like infomercials how fake and phoney they look.

I don't know that they look any worse than most political ads but given that he's running them so often, they have to be better. And they've gotten worse. Heard a radio ad this morning touting Bloomberg as the only candidate that can handle a crisis like Coronavirus because 9/11. :lol

He also had one narrated by a very strokey sounding Michael Douglas.

[Will Hunting]

I don't know that they look any worse than most political ads but given that he's running them so often, they have to be better. And they've gotten worse. Heard a radio ad this morning touting Bloomberg as the only candidate that can handle a crisis like Coronavirus because 9/11. :lol

He also had one narrated by a very strokey sounding Michael Douglas.
He better be careful about going the Rudy Giuliani route with “I was in NYC on 9/11!” shit when he’s running against Biden :lol

[vy65]

You forgot the swamp creature that calls itself Elena. Imo it qualifies as a guy :lol

https://s.abcnews.com/images/ThisWeek/190915_tw_amy_klobuchar_hpMain_4x5_992.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/684460022227574784/RL_9BPkm_400x400.jpg

[Reck]

Ugly ass Klobuchar ending her campaign. Endorses Biden immediately.

[Reck]

DNC handing out them marching orders swiftly.

[Will Hunting]

DNC handing out them marching orders swiftly.
Not sure about that but if it’s true the DNC is retarded, should have told her to just stick it out another day to cock block Sanders in Minnesota.

[Reck]

Not sure about that but if it’s true the DNC is retarded, should have told her to just stick it out another day to cock block Sanders in Minnesota.

Wonder if they have been doing internal polling showing them losing Minnesota. The polls do show her winning there but those polls are fairly old.

I think it’s less to do with the DNC and more to do with the fundraisers cutting off these 1 percenters and flocking to Biden now.

[Will Hunting]

Wonder if they have been doing internal polling showing them losing Minnesota. The polls do show her winning there but those polls are fairly old.

I think it’s less to do with the DNC and more to do with the fundraisers cutting off these 1 percenters and flocking to Biden now.
Even if she stayed in and lost a close race it probably costs Sanders at least 20 delegates.

The real curious case at this point is Warren. She might be the hatchet woman the DNC is using to take Sanders votes.

Even though he said he’s staying in race no matter what I think Bloomer drops out this week and starts throwing money towards Biden.

[Spurs Homer]

What a shocker...

Democrats shooting themselves in the foot


4 more years of Trump


how hard will it be for trump to demolish senile Biden?

Biden needs money - he should just be sponsored by Dementia/alzheimers society

[spurraider21]

Greenwald

Democrats Craving a Brokered Convention — including Elizabeth Warren — Should Learn the Lessons of 1968 (https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/democrats-craving-a-brokered-convention-including-elizabeth-warren-should-learn-the-lessons-of-1968/)

[SnakeBoy]

:cry ELENAAAAAAAA :cry

[SnakeBoy]

She might be the hatchet woman the DNC is using to take Sanders votes.


lol might

She 180's on Super Pac money, instantly gets millions, refuses to name donors

The fix is in

[spurraider21]

:cry ELENAAAAAAAA :cry
well at least now you have your out to vote for trump tbh, you gave elena a fair shot :lol

darrin and dmc pretended to support biden... but you stuck with your girl till the end

[Reck]

Greenwald

Democrats Craving a Brokered Convention — including Elizabeth Warren — Should Learn the Lessons of 1968 (https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/democrats-craving-a-brokered-convention-including-elizabeth-warren-should-learn-the-lessons-of-1968/)



I dont get this move. Specially when it comes to Warren.

In the highly unlikely case there is a brokered convention, does she think the DNC heads will pick her? I dont know if it's a naive thing or if she just loves to look like a beggar but either way, not a good look for her.

[Will Hunting]

I dont get this move. Specially when it comes to Warren.

In the highly unlikely case there is a brokered convention, does she think the DNC heads will pick her? I dont know if it's a naive thing or if she just loves to look like a beggar but either way, not a good look for her.
She’s trying to justify staying in the race with a bullshit reason even though we all know she’s actually staying in the race to siphon votes from Sanders (likely in exchange for something the DNC is promising her).

[spurraider21]

I dont get this move. Specially when it comes to Warren.

In the highly unlikely case there is a brokered convention, does she think the DNC heads will pick her? I dont know if it's a naive thing or if she just loves to look like a beggar but either way, not a good look for her.
i keep saying it, her campaign has been frustrating and disappointing. she has no political savvy tbh (DNA test was a red flag that was discussed here, as well)... and coming in she had the best chance of "uniting the party" between the progressive wing and the establishment while actually being in "ideas" person and not a platitude machine like beto/pete or a demagogue like kamala.

[Will Hunting]

The big thing the DNC is forgetting if they’re trying to screw Sanders at all costs is how gaff prone Biden is going to get as the race is more intense and as he’ll have to spend more time talking during debates. Even his staunchest supporters have to admit they see an old man who’s cognitive ability is deteriorating and gets progressively more incoherent during debates because he’s used to being in bed at those times.

[spurraider21]

The big thing the DNC is forgetting if they’re trying to screw Sanders at all costs is how gaff prone Biden is going to get as the race is more intense and as he’ll have to spend more time talking during debates. Even his staunchest supporters have to admit they see an old man who’s cognitive ability is deteriorating and gets progressively more incoherent during debates because he’s used to being in bed at those times.
hard to say gaffes matter when trump got elected... but its the inferences of cognitive decline that could be more harmful down the line

[hater]

DNC in panic mode

this is a panic move

[TheGreatYacht]

https://youtu.be/Y6RdePCEnn8

[TheGreatYacht]

https://youtu.be/Y6RdePCEnn8


DNC in panic mode

this is a panic move

DNC in panic mode to stop Bernie. I'm sure DMC and Nathan89 think the DNC means well. Establishment good now.

[Spurminator]

I don't know why we'd assume Warren is siphoning many more votes from Bernie than she is from Biden. Warren seems like the pick for people who want a progressive executive but can't go all the way to "socialism."

This poll is a few months old, but it shows that while Warren-as-top-choice voters had Bernie at a plurality (30%) as their second choice, a combined 38% said their second choice was either Biden, Buttigieg or Bloomberg. With Buttigieg out and Bloomberg likely to follow, it stands to reason most of those votes would go to Biden instead of Sanders.

So if the numbers hold at all, it looks like it would be a pretty even split, if not advantageous for Biden for Warren to drop out.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-second-choice-candidates-show-a-race-that-is-still-fluid/

Warren is also a pretty popular "2nd choice" candidate right now so she may be waiting to see how many votes she picks up from the ones who dropped out.

[ElNono]

Is Tulsi still going, tbh?

[Reck]

Why are you tagging two hardcore conservatives? They dont like the DNC any more than you do. lol

[spurraider21]

admittedly warren is in an awkward position where she hasn't been performing well at the ballot in 4 early states, but has still been raking in a lot of donations (not including PACs... individual donations to her campaign) and it's hard for a candidate to ignore that. she pulled in almost 30 mil in february

[Will Hunting]

hard to say gaffes matter when trump got elected... but its the inferences of cognitive decline that could be more harmful down the line
Trump's gaffs are a lot different, they're outright lies that he proudly says with confidence. We're also talking about Dem primary voters here.

It's also more than inference at this point, it's pretty much definitive cognitive decline. His campaign staff has him wear aviators so they can walk him around and no one will know how half asleep he is :lol

[spurraider21]

Trump's gaffs are a lot different, they're outright lies that he proudly says with confidence. We're also talking about Dem primary voters here.

It's also more than inference at this point, it's pretty much definitive cognitive decline. His campaign staff has him wear aviators so they can walk him around and no one will know how half asleep he is :lol
eh... venturing towards hillary diazepam pen levels

[Will Hunting]

admittedly warren is in an awkward position where she hasn't been performing well at the ballot in 4 early states, but has still been raking in a lot of donations (not including PACs... individual donations to her campaign... and it's hard for a candidate to ignore that. she pulled in almost 30 mil in february
She's in the same position Bloomer is in, I think it's fair for her to stay in the race through tomorrow but if she struggles to get to 15% of the vote then it makes absolutely no sense for her to continue. The BernieBros saying she's in the same boat as Buttplug/Elena and should be dropping out today are going overboard imo, especially when there's a chance she gets a lot of Elena's "I'm a woman hear me ROAR!!!" vote and a lot of Buttplug's educated white vote.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not sure about that but if it’s true the DNC is retarded, should have told her to just stick it out another day to cock block Sanders in Minnesota.
They're probably more worried about her Siphoning votes off Biden everywhere else.

[Will Hunting]

They're probably more worried about her Siphoning votes off Biden everywhere else.
I think they're getting way too careless in assuming all the Elena/Buttplug votes go to Biden. They both had a predominantly white base of supporters (albeit moderate whites) who weren't big fans of Biden in the first place (thus they were looking for a moderate alternative). If I had to guess them dropping out helps Warren more than anyone else - especially since Warren can now consolidate the "WE NEED WOMENZ!!!" vote.

[florige]

I don't know that they look any worse than most political ads but given that he's running them so often, they have to be better. And they've gotten worse. Heard a radio ad this morning touting Bloomberg as the only candidate that can handle a crisis like Coronavirus because 9/11. :lol

He also had one narrated by a very strokey sounding Michael Douglas.


I get that but his just look so entirely phoney looking and fake. lol

[florige]

The big thing the DNC is forgetting if they’re trying to screw Sanders at all costs is how gaff prone Biden is going to get as the race is more intense and as he’ll have to spend more time talking during debates. Even his staunchest supporters have to admit they see an old man who’s cognitive ability is deteriorating and gets progressively more incoherent during debates because he’s used to being in bed at those times.


Trump would destroy Biden at the debates. And it really pains me to say that. Bernie is loud and mean looking, but so is Trump.

[Trainwreck2100]

Trump would destroy Biden at the debates. And it really pains me to say that. Bernie is loud and mean looking, but so is Trump.

Only if the Dems let Trump write the narrative like they did in 2016. They could spend half a debate just brining up how Trump had tried to cut Medicare in every budget he's made

[Reck]

I think they're getting way too careless in assuming all the Elena/Buttplug votes go to Biden. They both had a predominantly white base of supporters (albeit moderate whites) who weren't big fans of Biden in the first place (thus they were looking for a moderate alternative). If I had to guess them dropping out helps Warren more than anyone else - especially since Warren can now consolidate the "WE NEED WOMENZ!!!" vote.

Had this being a little earlier than I can see and concede your point but we're heading into Super Tuesday and she's got 8 delegates. At this point people should be realizing the reality. 2 person race, 3 at most.

Warren is also polling terribly low so whatever leftovers she gets will probably be minimal. Say Buttiegieg and Elena's voters split betwen Biden and Warren, we're talking about maybe 2-3% points which would put her nowhere near the point of contention.

[Reck]

Trump would destroy Biden at the debates. And it really pains me to say that. Bernie is loud and mean looking, but so is Trump.

Bernie has been known to self neauter. That time when he decided not to attack Hillary about mah emails. He gave her a pass. Trump didn't.

The latter worked out.

[Will Hunting]

Had this being a little earlier than I can see and concede your point but we're heading into Super Tuesday and she's got 8 delegates. At this point people should be realizing the reality. 2 person race, 3 at most.

Warren is also polling terribly low so whatever leftovers she gets will probably be minimal. Say Buttiegieg and Elena's voters split betwen Biden and Warren, we're talking about maybe 2-3% points which would put her nowhere near the point of contention.
Yeah fuck it you're right. She and Bloomer have no business in this race at all.

The polls that have come out today have Sanders up big in California. I'm hoping for a perfect storm scenario where he gets 40+% of the vote there and the other candidates are all struggling to get to 15%.

[Will Hunting]

Only if the Dems let Trump write the narrative like they did in 2016. They could spend half a debate just brining up how Trump had tried to cut Medicare in every budget he's made
It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his shit from his oatmeal.

[vy65]

It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his shit from his oatmeal.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/blog_historical_youth_turnout.jpg?resize=990,733

[spurraider21]

Pete Buttigieg plans to endorse Joe Biden in Democratic primary (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-buttigieg/pete-buttigieg-plans-to-endorse-joe-biden-in-democratic-primary-idUSKBN20P2U9)

[vy65]

I'm having a hard time believing Bernie is a better candidate than JoeBi. Both are fucking terrible.

[Will Hunting]

I'm having a hard time believing Bernie is a better candidate than JoeBi. Both are fucking terrible.
We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.

[spurraider21]

one thing im reading is that even if biden doesnt get a massive % of pete/klobuchar voters, their absence will probably be enough to help him reach 15% viability in more districts, and therefore net him more delegates

[Reck]

Pete Buttigieg plans to endorse Joe Biden in Democratic primary (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-buttigieg/pete-buttigieg-plans-to-endorse-joe-biden-in-democratic-primary-idUSKBN20P2U9)

:lol I forget who said this but it's starting to look obviously coordinated now. That can grate on people.

Even to people who like being told who to vote for. Also the move was pretty immediate from the candidates to the host of endorsement he's gotten overnight from the entire party.

[florige]

It's going to be hard to stop Trump from writing the narrative if the Dem candidate is a guy with early onset dementia who doesn't know his shit from his oatmeal.


That's what I'm afraid of. Biden has always been a poor debater and going up against Trump would be a disaster especially with his memory loss or whatever the heck he has going on with him.

[florige]

Bernie has been known to self neauter. That time when he decided not to attack Hillary about mah emails. He gave her a pass. Trump didn't.

The latter worked out.


He probably should had because you know had the shoe been on the other foot Hillary would had attacked Sanders on it. She is attacking him now and she isn't even running.

[spurraider21]

That's what I'm afraid of. Biden has always been a poor debater and going up against Trump would be a disaster especially with his memory loss or whatever the heck he has going on with him.
he's a poor debater from an academic perspective, but in terms of politics dominated by quippy soundbites, he had been quite good

[Will Hunting]

I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about their willingness to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win :lol

[spurraider21]

We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.
hillary had a lot more baggage and was generally less likeable than biden, to be fair (compare their favorability ratings)

[vy65]

We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.

Like I said, JoeBi ain't great either. But I haven't heard much of a response to the kinda youth turnout Bernie needs.

[CosmicCowboy]

I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about being willing to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win :lol

If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.

[Reck]

We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.

Hillary is pretty smart and thinks on her feet at least. She's still sharp, just arrogant af.

Biden in the other hand is likeable, but his mental acuity is all but gone. For the time being I think likeability counts more than being senile at the very moment.

[spurraider21]

I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about their willingness to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win :lol
if trump wins it means they can try to run one of their own people again as soon as 2024. if sanders wins, that delays it to 2028

[Will Hunting]

Like I said, JoeBi ain't great either. But I haven't heard much of a response to the kinda youth turnout Bernie needs.
I have no idea what that graph is based off but I’m sure it includes a bunch of rosy assumptions about the “swing voters” that Shillary didn’t get but Biden somehow will get by running on an identical platform.

[spurraider21]

If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.
they made the same mistake of having an overly-crowded field allowing the populist to ramp up his support while the party quabbled with itself. they ended up being stuck with cruz (who republicans hated too) and kasich (who never had a snowballs chance) as trump's opposition down the stretch. on the other hand, biden is generally liked (much more than cruz, anyway)... but bloomberg, at least in the polls, is a much bigger wildcard than kasich ever was

[Will Hunting]

if trump wins it means they can try to run one of their own people again as soon as 2024. if sanders wins, that delays it to 2028
If Trump wins re-election against Biden after another coordinated effort by the DNC to stop Sanders (this one potentially even more blatant than the 2016 effort was) the Democrat party as we know it is going to crater. There’s no way of knowing who they’ll be able to run in 2024 under that scenario.

[vy65]

I have no idea what that graph is based off but I’m sure it includes a bunch of rosy assumptions about the “swing voters” that Shillary didn’t get but Biden somehow will get by running on an identical platform.

Here's the 55 page report detailing everything if you wanna pick it apart

https://osf.io/25wm9/

[Will Hunting]

If only the Republicans had done that with Trump.
They would have lost to Hillary Clinton. I know you’re genuine in your disdain for Trump unlike other Republicans on this site but it’s not a coincidence they won the election after being the party that let its primary voters pick the candidate without any establishment intervention.

[CosmicCowboy]

Speaking of Hillary...

A federal judge Monday granted a request from conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch to have former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sit for a sworn deposition to answer questions about her use of a private email server to conduct government business.


Clinton has argued that she has already answered questions about this and should not have to do so again, but D.C. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth said in his ruling that her past responses left much to be desired.

"As extensive as the existing record is, it does not sufficiently explain Secretary Clinton’s state of mind when she decided it would be an acceptable practice to set up and use a private server to conduct State Department business," Lamberth said.

The judge went on to recognize that while Clinton responded to written questions in a separate case, "those responses were either incomplete, unhelpful, or cursory at best.

Simply put her responses left many more questions than answers.” Lamberth said that using written questions this time “will only muddle any understanding of Secretary Clinton’s state of mind and fail to capture the full picture, this delaying the final disposition of this case even further.”

The ruling comes after Judicial Watch revealed at a December 2019 status conference that the FBI released "approximately thirty previously undisclosed Clinton emails," and that the State Department "failed to fully explain" where they came from.

The State Department has been pushing for the discovery phase of the case to come to a close, but Lamberth said he is not ready to do so, saying that "there is still more to learn."

[Will Hunting]

Here's the 55 page report detailing everything if you wanna pick it apart

https://osf.io/25wm9/
Very first sentence about moderates performing better in presidential elections is all I need to hear. The more moderate candidate has lost every presidential election in this country since McGovern ran against Nixon in 1972.

[spurraider21]

:lol republicans are #StillWithHer

[Reck]

Speaking of Hillary...

A federal judge Monday granted a request from conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch to have former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sit for a sworn deposition to answer questions about her use of a private email server to conduct government business.

:lol still

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol still

I just copied and pasted. It's in the news.

[vy65]

Very first sentence about moderates performing better in presidential elections is all I need to hear. The more moderate candidate has lost every presidential election in this country since McGovern ran against Nixon in 1972.

"Canonical theories predict that moderate candidates perform better in general elections." That line?

Is it not the commonplace assumption that moderates perform better? If so, that'd seem to line up with canonical theory.

[Spurs Homer]

If Trump wins re-election against Biden after another coordinated effort by the DNC to stop Sanders (this one potentially even more blatant than the 2016 effort was) the Democrat party as we know it is going to crater. There’s no way of knowing who they’ll be able to run in 2024 under that scenario.

It will crater BEFORE Biden even runs in november -

I will not vote if they fuck bernie - knowing that it will mean 4 years of trump


If they fuck Bernie - again -

the democratic party is done - and they had a great shot at blowing up the system and - for once - giving the poor and middle class a win -

and THIS is from the Democrat party - who are supposed to represent the poor and middle class - and Bernie was gift-wrapping them a fucking strong movement of NEW voters - and the latino base and the young black base.

Its over for this Dem party and on the other side - the Republican party is also shit - once trump leaves the trump base will have to won the destruction.

[Will Hunting]

"Canonical theories predict that moderate candidates perform better in general elections." That line?

Is it not the commonplace assumption that moderates perform better? If so, that'd seem to line up with canonical theory.
It’s a peanut log of an assumption the DNC/MSM squeezes out of its face anus on a regular basis such that it’s become commonplace despite it being proven wrong every 4 years.

Do you agree that beginning in 1980 and in every presidential election thereafter the more moderate candidate lost?

[vy65]

It’s a peanut log of an assumption the DNC/MSM squeezes out of its face anus on a regular basis such that it’s become commonplace despite it being proven wrong every 4 years.

Do you agree that beginning in 1980 and in every presidential election thereafter the more moderate candidate lost?

But it's not an assumption. The paper is describing what canon teaches, and is accurate. The rest of that paragraph reads:

Canonical theories predict that moderate candidates will typically perform better than lessmoderate candidates in general elections (e.g., Downs 1957). Empirical research has generallysupported this prediction (e.g., Canes-Wrone, Brady and Cogan 2002; Hall 2015). For example,Canes-Wrone, Brady and Cogan (2002, p. 133) find that Members of Congress who cast 3 to 4additional high-profile votes aligned with the extreme of their party receive 1 to 3 percentagepoints (pp) fewer votes in the next election. Abramowitz likewise finds that Democratic USHouse candidates who supported Medicare For All in 2018 received approximately 2.2pp fewervotes than their peers in similar districts who did not.1However, whether moderate nominees areusually ‘more electable’ is far from settled, and reasonable skepticism remains (e.g., Cohen et al.2016; Achen and Bartels 2016).

[Reck]

It will crater BEFORE Biden even runs in november -

I will not vote if they fuck bernie - knowing that it will mean 4 years of trump


If they fuck Bernie - again -

the democratic party is done - and they had a great shot at blowing up the system and - for once - giving the poor and middle class a win -

and THIS is from the Democrat party - who are supposed to represent the poor and middle class - and Bernie was gift-wrapping them a fucking strong movement of NEW voters - and the latino base and the young black base.

Its over for this Dem party and on the other side - the Republican party is also shit - once trump leaves the trump base will have to won the destruction.

The doom and gloom talk.

Trump was supposed to be the end of the Republican party. I'm all up for a third option and I've said I'm open to voting for Bernie if they screw him if he has enough of a lead that a brokered convention wouldn't make sense.

These two parties have existed for 200 years nothing will change that. Will it be weakened? probably.

[Will Hunting]

But it's not an assumption. The paper is describing what canon teaches, and is accurate. The rest of that paragraph reads:

Canonical theories predict that moderate candidates will typically perform better than lessmoderate candidates in general elections (e.g., Downs 1957). Empirical research has generallysupported this prediction (e.g., Canes-Wrone, Brady and Cogan 2002; Hall 2015). For example,Canes-Wrone, Brady and Cogan (2002, p. 133) find that Members of Congress who cast 3 to 4additional high-profile votes aligned with the extreme of their party receive 1 to 3 percentagepoints (pp) fewer votes in the next election. Abramowitz likewise finds that Democratic USHouse candidates who supported Medicare For All in 2018 received approximately 2.2pp fewervotes than their peers in similar districts who did not.1However, whether moderate nominees areusually ‘more electable’ is far from settled, and reasonable skepticism remains (e.g., Cohen et al.2016; Achen and Bartels 2016).
So they’re using congressional elections to predict presidential elections. yeah I’ve read all I need to read.

Why are they using past congressional races to predict the successful candidate profile in presidential races instead of say, past presidential races? It’s an intellectually dishonest apples to oranges comparison.

Are you going to answer my question or keep ignoring it?

[vy65]

It’s a peanut log of an assumption the DNC/MSM squeezes out of its face anus on a regular basis such that it’s become commonplace despite it being proven wrong every 4 years.

Do you agree that beginning in 1980 and in every presidential election thereafter the more moderate candidate lost?

Criticizing Bernie =|= supporting a moderate. It's possible that Bernie is an atrocious candidate and the moderate (Biden or Bloomberg) is also an awful choice. The point of the article is to test the notion that Bernie, as an extreme figure, is likely less electable than (what you'd say is an already unelectable) moderate. The two points are not mutually exclusive.

Just because moderates don't do well (a point that I'm not entirely sure on since the paper references some research showing the opposite: that they do well) is not support for Bernie. Bernie has his own host of problems, vulnerabilities, and other issues that, in my mind, make him unelectable. Again, that doesn't mean "therefore vote moderate." You're setting up a false choice here.

[vy65]

So they’re using congressional elections to predict presidential elections. yeah I’ve read all I need to read.

Why are they using past congressional races to predict the successful candidate profile in presidential races instead of say, past presidential races? It’s an intellectually dishonest apples to oranges comparison.

Are you going to answer my question or keep ignoring it?

Well, I think I answered it above. You're trying to pigeon-hole what I'm arguing into something I'm not. Without having read the paper in any detail, I think you raise a valid distinction. But what's the significance of it, other than President is not Congressman?

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/robreiner/status/1234174645428871168?s=21

[vy65]

And by the way, the study down to support the conclusion that Bernie needs unheard-of youth turnout was couched in terms of the 2020 presidential candidates, so I don't think there's much to the apples/oranges comparison.

[Will Hunting]

Criticizing Bernie =|= supporting a moderate. It's possible that Bernie is an atrocious candidate and the moderate (Biden or Bloomberg) is also an awful choice. The point of the article is to test the notion that Bernie, as an extreme figure, is likely less electable than (what you'd say is an already unelectable) moderate. The two points are not mutually exclusive.

Just because moderates don't do well (a point that I'm not entirely sure on since the paper references some research showing the opposite: that they do well) is not support for Bernie. Bernie has his own host of problems, vulnerabilities, and other issues that, in my mind, make him unelectable. Again, that doesn't mean "therefore vote moderate." You're setting up a false choice here.
The choice is either Bernie or Biden (a moderate). What am I missing here?

I’d be fully supportive of a candidate like Sherrod Brown who isn’t a Democratic Socialist (he has by far the most realistic healthcare plan in terms of being able to get it through Congress while also making a big difference) but is more progressive than Biden or Bloomer but he’s not available.

The paper points out how moderates did in purple congressional districts in midterm elections, and I’ve always agreed in that instance moderates do better. Does it touch on how moderate presidential candidates do or do they leave that as the elephant in the room no one can sufficiently explain away?

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/mikeprysner/status/1234572592435978240?s=21

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/robreiner/status/1234174645428871168?s=21

A President that still can't remember where he is


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCytzKD2DrU&feature=emb_logo

[Will Hunting]

Well, I think I answered it above. You're trying to pigeon-hole what I'm arguing into something I'm not. Without having read the paper in any detail, I think you raise a valid distinction. But what's the significance of it, other than President is not Congressman?
For starters, midterm elections (2018) are a lot different than general election (you could run on the platform of student loan forgiveness + 6 figure salaries for part time jobs, and you’d still be lucky to get much in terms of millennial turnout.

[vy65]

The choice is either Bernie or Biden (a moderate). What am I missing here?

Warren, Bloomberg, Gabbard, Trump, write in, not voting.


I’d be fully supportive of a candidate like Sherrod Brown who isn’t a Democratic Socialist (he has by far the most realistic healthcare plan in terms of being able to get it through Congress while also making a big difference) but is more progressive than Biden or Bloomer but he’s not available.

The paper points out how moderates did in purple congressional districts in midterm elections, and I’ve always agreed in that instance moderates do better. Does it touch on how moderate presidential candidates do or do they leave that as the elephant in the room no one can sufficiently explain away?

I'm not seeing that. This is what I see:

Data

As part of surveys for other projects, we collected 40,153 unique survey responses during January– February 2020. In these surveys, we asked respondents how they would choose in a contest between Donald Trump and one of the Democratic nominees. We asked about the five leading Democratic contenders as of January 2020: Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden,Michael Bloomberg, and Pete Buttigieg. We asked each respondent about only one randomly selected Democratic candidate in order to limit strategic responding, resulting in approximately8,000 observations per candidate. This large sample size allows us to detect shifts in candidatechoices across Democratic candidates that, while small in absolute terms, could be enormously electorally consequential.We conducted this survey using the online platform Lucid, which Coppock and McClellan(2019) validate as relatively nationally representative. We strongly caution against drawing firm conclusions about the absolute value of Trump’s likely popular vote margin over Democrats’ from this one online survey conducted early in the election season. However, the large size of its sample does allow us to make unusually precise comparisons between the Democratic candidates,especially as compared to typical national polls with under 1,000 responses.In the survey, after other content for other studies, we first gave respondents a brief preamble about the upcoming election and asked how they would vote in a contest between RepublicanDonald Trump and a randomly selected one of the five leading Democratic candidates. If respondents said they were unsure or preferred a third party, we asked them if they leaned towards Trump, leaned towards the Democrat, or were completely undecided. During the second half ofour field period, we added a “would not vote” option.We also conducted an experiment that allows us to check whether our findings would differ ifrespondents were shown attacks against the Democratic candidates. This allows us to investigatewhether our answers might change were respondents more fully informed or exposed to thegeneral election campaign. For respondents in an “Attacks Shown” condition, we showed somerespondents attacks against the Democratic candidates before they selected between Trump andthe Democratic candidates.3In the first half of the field period, we randomly sampled two ofseveral attacks for each Democratic candidate; in the second half, we showed the three mosteffective attacks on each candidate as judged by the first half of the data. Respondents in a controlcondition saw no attacks. In our main analyses we pool across these conditions; later on, we showour results are similar across the conditions

[spurraider21]

The paper points out how moderates did in purple congressional districts in midterm elections, and I’ve always agreed in that instance moderates do better. Does it touch on how moderate presidential candidates do or do they leave that as the elephant in the room no one can sufficiently explain away?
i think the concept of purple districts is extrapolated to purple states

[Will Hunting]

Warren, Bloomberg, Gabbard, Trump, write in, not voting.



I'm not seeing that. This is what I see:

Data

As part of surveys for other projects, we collected 40,153 unique survey responses during January– February 2020. In these surveys, we asked respondents how they would choose in a contest between Donald Trump and one of the Democratic nominees. We asked about the five leading Democratic contenders as of January 2020: Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden,Michael Bloomberg, and Pete Buttigieg. We asked each respondent about only one randomly selected Democratic candidate in order to limit strategic responding, resulting in approximately8,000 observations per candidate. This large sample size allows us to detect shifts in candidatechoices across Democratic candidates that, while small in absolute terms, could be enormously electorally consequential.We conducted this survey using the online platform Lucid, which Coppock and McClellan(2019) validate as relatively nationally representative. We strongly caution against drawing firm conclusions about the absolute value of Trump’s likely popular vote margin over Democrats’ from this one online survey conducted early in the election season. However, the large size of its sample does allow us to make unusually precise comparisons between the Democratic candidates,especially as compared to typical national polls with under 1,000 responses.In the survey, after other content for other studies, we first gave respondents a brief preamble about the upcoming election and asked how they would vote in a contest between RepublicanDonald Trump and a randomly selected one of the five leading Democratic candidates. If respondents said they were unsure or preferred a third party, we asked them if they leaned towards Trump, leaned towards the Democrat, or were completely undecided. During the second half ofour field period, we added a “would not vote” option.We also conducted an experiment that allows us to check whether our findings would differ ifrespondents were shown attacks against the Democratic candidates. This allows us to investigatewhether our answers might change were respondents more fully informed or exposed to thegeneral election campaign. For respondents in an “Attacks Shown” condition, we showed somerespondents attacks against the Democratic candidates before they selected between Trump andthe Democratic candidates.3In the first half of the field period, we randomly sampled two ofseveral attacks for each Democratic candidate; in the second half, we showed the three mosteffective attacks on each candidate as judged by the first half of the data. Respondents in a controlcondition saw no attacks. In our main analyses we pool across these conditions; later on, we showour results are similar across the conditions
Right, a bunch of hypothetical polling (those polls worked wonders for Hillary) with no emphasis being given to how past presidential elections actually worked. They’re literally doing everything to try and predict a future presidential election other than studying how past presidential elections worked :lol

Even though they provided the “would not vote option” that doesn’t solve for the huge swing in voter turnout election by election. Your average American participating in a poll study isnt going to admit there’s a scenario where they wouldn’t vote at all.

[Will Hunting]

i think the concept of purple districts is extrapolated to purple states
On a case by case basis sure. Arizona for example is atypical and has a lot of “purple” voters, particularly educated suburban white women who are fiscally conservative but more liberal on social issues, so Kristen Sinema is the ideal senate candidate in AZ.

Other purple states have a lot of solid blue voters and around the same amount in solid red voters so it comes more down to who has better turnout. I’d put Ohio in this category.

[DarrinS]

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[vy65]

For starters, midterm elections (2018) are a lot different than general election (you could run on the platform of student loan forgiveness + 6 figure salaries for part time jobs, and you’d still be lucky to get much in terms of millennial turnout.

So if the issue is turnout, the point is a) yes b) Bernie needs 6% greater youth turnout (18-29) than Obama got in 2008. The basis for that conclusion is some number crunching from questions on how Bernie does vis-a-vis Trump:

The Reason Sanders Appears Equally Electable

Two important patterns lurk beneath the headline finding that Sanders appears equally electable as the leading more moderate Democrats.

First, Trump also wins more votes when against Sanders than he does when against a more moderate Democrat. In particular, Figure 2 shows that Trump also gets 0.9-1.5pp more votes in head-to-heads against Sanders (and Warren) than in head-to-heads against any of the moderate candidates. As can be seen when we examine where these differences come from by party in Figure 3, this is driven in part by Republicans being 1.8pp more likely to say they would vote for Trump if Sanders were the nominee; with one of the moderate candidates as a nominee, most of these Republican votes flow to the Democratic candidate.

Second, Sanders’ similar number of Democratic votes against Trump relative to the leading moderates is driven by him bringing respondents who otherwise say they have no preference,would vote for a third party candidate, or would not vote into the Democratic column. Figure 2 found that Democrats receive 1.0-3.4pp more votes in head-to-head questions with Sanders as the nominee than if one of the other Democrats is named. However, as we saw, this is not because Sanders wins votes from Trump. Instead, Figure 3 shows this advantage is a sum of two main dynamics: despite losing an additional 0.4% of Democrats, (an imprecisely estimated) 0.9% of Independents, and 1.8% of Republicans to Trump, Sanders converts approximately 3.7% of Democrats from answering “Neither/Would not vote” to saying they would turn out to vote for Democrats.

This offsetting dynamic appears key to understanding why Sanders appears relatively electable in our data:Sanders converts just enough Democrats and Independents from saying they are indifferent or would not vote to supporting Sanders to offset his losses of votes from the Democratic column to Trump’s column.4 These results also appear in battleground states, as shown in Figure A5. Sanders’ Equal Electability Case Requires Large Increases in Youth Turnout Investigating which demographics convert from being indifferent or not voting to voting for Democrats with Sanders in head-to-head questions can help inform the plausibility of the casethat Sanders is equally electable as the more moderate candidates.In Figure 4, we show that Sanders’ conversion of votes from the neither/would not vote4An explicit “would not vote” option was only present in half our data; Figure A4 shows that these results aremostly driven by changes between the “Democratic candidate” and “Would not vote” category. In Appendix D, we discuss how reducing third party voting alone does not explain how Sanders can offset increases in Trump voting.7

[Will Hunting]

1234573252221120513
:lmao

[Blake]

Pete Buttigieg plans to endorse Joe Biden in Democratic primary (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-buttigieg/pete-buttigieg-plans-to-endorse-joe-biden-in-democratic-primary-idUSKBN20P2U9)















:lol I forget who said this but it's starting to look obviously coordinated now. That can grate on people.

Even to people who like being told who to vote for. Also the move was pretty immediate from the candidates to the host of endorsement he's gotten overnight from the entire party.

They also do it in hopes that they get picked as vp

[vy65]

Right, a bunch of hypothetical polling (those polls worked wonders for Hillary) with no emphasis being given to how past presidential elections actually worked. They’re literally doing everything to try and predict a future presidential election other than studying how past presidential elections worked :lol

Even though they provided the “would not vote option” that doesn’t solve for the huge swing in voter turnout election by election. Your average American participating in a poll study isnt going to admit there’s a scenario where they wouldn’t vote at all.

Well, now you're saying something different. At first it was "this is intellectually dishonest, apples/oranges, etc..." Now its, "polls don't work." And the key is that they focused on those who changed from "would not vote" to "Sanders," which addresses part of the problem you identify.

[Reck]

1234573252221120513

You forgot the trifecta. TANNING BEDS TANNING BEDS

[Will Hunting]

Well, now you're saying something different. At first it was "this is intellectually dishonest, apples/oranges, etc..." Now its, "polls don't work." And the key is that they focused on those who changed from "would not vote" to "Sanders," which addresses part of the problem you identify.
You were talking about two different sets of data/arguments.

Serious question - why did this glorious study not spend one iota of time analyzing past presidential elections when its entire purpose was to project for a presidential election?

[vy65]

You were talking about two different sets of data/arguments.

Serious question - why did this glorious study not spend one iota of time analyzing past presidential elections when its entire purpose was to project for a presidential election?

Email the authors and see, but from skimming the paper, it seems they were focused on how people changed certain answers based on who the respective 2020 candidates were and extrapolated from there. The focus is on how people's answers vis a vis the current candidates can be extrapolated to turnout. Take as much issue as you want with that, but I don't see how past presidential elections are all that relevant to turnout in the current climate with the current candidates.

[Will Hunting]

Email the authors and see, but from skimming the paper, it seems they were focused on how people changed certain answers based on who the respective 2020 candidates were and extrapolated from there. The focus is on how people's answers vis a vis the current candidates can be extrapolated to turnout. Take as much issue as you want with that, but I don't see how past presidential elections are all that relevant to turnout in the current climate with the current candidates.
But past congressional races are :lmao

It’s relevant because people participating in polling studies isn’t the same as people living in the real world on Election Day. If we were like the rest of the modern world and had holidays on Election Day it’d be different but it’s not. The single mother participating in the poll hasn’t accounted for what happens when she needs to pick her kid up from school but sees there’s a 2 hour line where she’s supposed to vote.

[spurraider21]

1234569073733898240

[Reck]

1234569073733898240

He's not wrong.

But a little too late now.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/alyssa_milano/status/1234556669960445952?s=21

[Blake]

1234569073733898240

Translation: Warren/Castro ticket please :cry

[DMX7]

Time for Castro to get on board the Biden train. Biden represents Texas Dems better than Warren IMO.

[spurraider21]

story of AaronY


Biden wins South Carolina:

https://i.imgur.com/laBd8XU.gif


Pete Drops out:

https://i.imgur.com/W1g9kN8.gif


Klobuchar drops out, both Pete and Amy set to endorse Biden:

https://i.imgur.com/OSSq5Pc.gif


Super Tuesday Results:

https://i.imgur.com/PiCegHe.gif

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/alyssa_milano/status/1234556669960445952?s=21

She's a bit nutty but she looks good :tu

[baseline bum]

story of AaronY


Biden wins South Carolina:

https://i.imgur.com/laBd8XU.gif


Pete Drops out:

https://i.imgur.com/W1g9kN8.gif


Klobuchar drops out, both Pete and Amy set to endorse Biden:

https://i.imgur.com/OSSq5Pc.gif


Super Tuesday Results:

https://i.imgur.com/PiCegHe.gif

November 3rd Results with senile Joe:
https://media.giphy.com/media/9MtKOa96eyMZG/giphy.gif

[spurraider21]

November 3rd Results with senile Joe:
https://media.giphy.com/media/9MtKOa96eyMZG/giphy.gif
:lol

[Reck]

story of AaronY (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=27732)


Biden wins South Carolina:

https://i.imgur.com/laBd8XU.gif


Pete Drops out:

https://i.imgur.com/W1g9kN8.gif


Klobuchar drops out, both Pete and Amy set to endorse Biden:

https://i.imgur.com/OSSq5Pc.gif


Super Tuesday Results:

https://i.imgur.com/PiCegHe.gif

:lol

[Reck]

She's a bit nutty but she looks good :tu

How is she nutty?

Odd endorsement btw. You'd think she'd endorse Bernie. She's highly progressive from what I've seen.

[Will Hunting]

Seriously tho, after Biden gets curb stomped by Trump, what’s the centrist excuse going to be? Will it be similar to “he just ran into a buzzsaw” like the excuses made for Kerry in 2004, or will it be of the “he just wasn’t a very likeable candidate” Hillary Clinton variety?

[spurraider21]

Seriously tho, after Biden gets curb stomped by Trump, what’s the centrist excuse going to be? Will it be similar to “he just ran into a buzzsaw” like the excuses made for Kerry in 2004, it will be of the “he just wasn’t a very likeable candidate” Hillary Clinton variety?
it will be bernie's fault again

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1234619017832300546?s=21

[Reck]

Seriously tho, after Biden gets curb stomped by Trump, what’s the centrist excuse going to be? Will it be similar to “he just ran into a buzzsaw” like the excuses made for Kerry in 2004, or will it be of the “he just wasn’t a very likeable candidate” Hillary Clinton variety?

Where do you see him losing tbh?

He, like Bernie seem to be doing well in the 3 states the scab lost. Plus Biden has Florida trending his way while Bernie can barely crack 20%.

I think you're discrediting Biden's likeability just because he's a moderate and not in your mold.

[baseline bum]

it will be bernie's fault again

Yes, Bernie will be toxic to voters in the general but will also have not campaigned enough for Biden.

[spurraider21]

Yes, Bernie will be toxic to voters in the general but will also have not campaigned enough for Biden.
tbh biden should disavow the support of a socialist like sanders

[Will Hunting]

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:lol I wanted to give Warren the benefit of the doubt but never mind Warren staying in the race is definitely a Sanders hit job. Some former candidates are going to endorse Biden and other former candidates viewed as more progressive will try and split the progressive vote between Sanders and Warren with shit like this.

What a fucked up process.

[Spurtacular]

So buttplug and lesbian are giving their votes to Joe, and Pocohantas is staying in to take away votes from Commie Cuck.

[Spurtacular]

:lol I wanted to give Warren the benefit of the doubt but never mind Warren staying in the race is definitely a Sanders hit job. Some former candidates are going to endorse Biden and other former candidates viewed as more progressive will try and split the progressive vote between Sanders and Warren with shit like this.

What a fucked up process.

:lmao Slimy Castro

[SnakeBoy]

Where do you see him losing tbh?

He, like Bernie seem to be doing well in the 3 states the scab lost. Plus Biden has Florida trending his way while Bernie can barely crack 20%.

I think you're discrediting Biden's likeability just because he's a moderate and not in your mold.

Was about to make a smart ass comment but I did the same with Romney tbh

[Blake]

She's a bit nutty but she looks good :tu

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So to clarify, how many are you talking about, Mr Trump

[Spurtacular]

A President that still can't remember where he is


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCytzKD2DrU&feature=emb_logo

Dems really hoping Biden can somehow turn back the clock. It's like they have no idea about how senility works. They've been lying about it for so long. :lol

[Will Hunting]

Where do you see him losing tbh?

He, like Bernie seem to be doing well in the 3 states the scab lost. Plus Biden has Florida trending his way while Bernie can barely crack 20%.

I think you're discrediting Biden's likeability just because he's a moderate and not in your mold.
I’m discrediting his likeability because his mind is decaying and it’s only going to get worse as he gets deeper into a campaign schedule. Come time for him to debate Trump I think his brain is going to be a scrambled egg due to the sleep deprivation and hectic travel schedule a campaign entails. He forgot the most famous line in the Declaration of Independence today FFS.

I also think he’ll do worse among millennials than Clinton did and the BernieBros are going to be even more infuriated this time than they were 4 years ago. I’ll vote for him (I live in the bluest of blue places though so it doesn’t matter) but the Bros on Twitter will revolt.

[Blake]

Dems really hoping Biden can somehow turn back the clock. It's like they have no idea about how senility works. They've been lying about it for so long. :lol

You mean like how Republicans have been lying about Trump's senility?

Now instead of answering honestly, do your herp derp dance.

[SnakeBoy]

Dems really hoping Biden can somehow turn back the clock. It's like they have no idea about how senility works. They've been lying about it for so long. :lol

They seem to have forgotten that a younger more nimble Joe Biden debated Sarah Palin to a tie :lol

[Spurtacular]

We ran the female version of JoeBi 4 years ago.

No way. Biden may be for sale; but he's nowhere near as diabolical.

[Blake]

How is she nutty?

Odd endorsement btw. You'd think she'd endorse Bernie. She's highly progressive from what I've seen.

Just anecdotally I was trying to remember some of her views but looking her up, she's actually been in a psych ward for anxiety. Oops.

[Reck]

I’m discrediting his likeability because his mind is decaying and it’s only going to get worse as he gets deeper into a campaign schedule. Come time for him to debate Trump I think his brain is going to be a scrambled egg due to the sleep deprivation and hectic travel schedule a campaign entails. He forgot the most famous line in the Declaration of Independence today FFS.

I also think he’ll do worse among millennials than Clinton did and the BernieBros are going to be even more infuriated this time than they were 4 years ago. I’ll vote for him (I live in the bluest of blue places though so it doesn’t matter) but the Bros on Twitter will revolt.

We got medicine to control his episodes though. I think he gets out of sorts when he has to debate someone in a crowd. I've seen most of his town halls and he seems fairly normal acting when he's 1-on-1.

But who knows, his mental health might decline to a point where in 5 months from now his viability will be untenable.

Then again, what guarantee do we have that Bernie doesn't have a second heart attack in that time period either? :lol These old dinosaurs.

[Spurtacular]

I’m actually impressed by how shameless the DNC establishment is in coordinating against Sanders. They’re not being shy at all about their willingness to completely fracture the party with a chaotic brokered convention that guarantees a Trump win as long as it means Sanders doesn’t win :lol

Honestly, it makes sense though. In 2008, Huckabee stayed in the race to f*ck over Mitt. Romney would've had a much better shot at beating the non-incumbent in 2008 than the GBIII alternative. Some people in the DNC are telling people to get their sh** together.

[Spurtacular]

They seem to have forgotten that a younger more nimble Joe Biden debated Sarah Palin to a tie :lol

Joe probably won that debate, tbh. But that Biden was pretty sharp. This version is reduced to platitudes.

[Spurtacular]

You mean like how Republicans have been lying about Trump's senility?

Now instead of answering honestly, do your herp derp dance.

Trump's frankly pretty sharp for his age. Senility is not a real issue there. Now cry some cuck tears about it.

[Reck]

Trump's frankly pretty sharp for his age. Senility is not a real issue there. Now cry some cuck tears about it.

Senility manifests in different ways.

Biden's senility comes off in it's most natural, obvious way. Forgetfulness, deer in headlights look, trips on his words, etc.

Trump's senility comes in his daily meltdowns that make you question whether he made the right decision or not. Also the nonsense rambling he goes on for hours at a time without making a single point.

[Will Hunting]

Dems really hoping Biden can somehow turn back the clock. It's like they have no idea about how senility works. They've been lying about it for so long. :lol
It's possible for a 77 year old who's already losing it to go 9 months without losing very much incremental cognitive ability.....if said 77 YO was living the normal life of a retiree and getting 9-10 hours of sleep a day with very little travel and a lot of leisure time.

What mainstream Dems are clueless about is how much a hectic campaign schedule is going to wear him out. The differences between Biden when his campaign started to Biden now are already pretty stark in terms of cognitive ability. By the time you get to the 2nd half of a debate he can only get 2-3 clean sentences out before he sounds incoherent (and those 2-3 sentences are usually nothing beyond "I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S DONE _______! I DID IT WHEN I WAS VICE PRESIDENT FOR OBAMA!!" and that's with 6-7 other candidates where he can go long periods without speaking. Imagine how quickly he'll get worn out in a debate with only 1-2 other people.

You could say all of this applies to Bernie and while he looks like complete shit physically his mind hasn't fallen apart yet. He seems to get energized by the adversarial process the way Trump does.

[Reck]

LOL Will Hunting baseline bum Chris Matthews is "retiring."

Just announced. The major fuckup from Nevada got his ass fired finally.

[Spurtacular]

Trump's senility comes in his daily meltdowns that make you question whether he made the right decision or not. Also the nonsense rambling he goes on for hours at a time without making a single point.

:lol TDS
:lol Tranny revisionist history

[SnakeBoy]

Bloomberg doing Fox News townhall

Worked great for Buttplug & Elena

[Spurtacular]

It's possible for a 77 year old who's already losing it to go 9 months without losing very much incremental cognitive ability.....if said 77 YO was living the normal life of a retiree and getting 9-10 hours of sleep a day with very little travel and a lot of leisure time.

What mainstream Dems are clueless about is how much a hectic campaign schedule is going to wear him out. The differences between Biden when his campaign started to Biden now are already pretty stark in terms of cognitive ability. By the time you get to the 2nd half of a debate he can only get 2-3 clean sentences out before he sounds incoherent (and those 2-3 sentences are usually nothing beyond "I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S DONE _______! I DID IT WHEN I WAS VICE PRESIDENT FOR OBAMA!!" and that's with 6-7 other candidates where he can go long periods without speaking. Imagine how quickly he'll get worn out in a debate with only 1-2 other people.


Yup. And the sentimental vote would only work if the non TDS electorate really hated the president.

[Will Hunting]

Well Chris Matthews is leaving MSNBC, I guess that's a victory that no one can take away from Bernie :lmao

[hater]

Democratic elites and establishment putting all their eggs on this :lmao

https://twitter.com/troyrudd/status/1234624443093221376?s=21

[Spurtacular]

Well Chris Matthews is leaving MSNBC, I guess that's a victory that no one can take away from Bernie :lmao

He made his money as a hack for long enough I guess.

[Reck]

Well Chris Matthews is leaving MSNBC, I guess that's a victory that no one can take away from Bernie :lmao

MSNBC didn't even let him do one last show. He literally announced he was retiring, went to commercials and put some geek in his place. lol

[Will Hunting]

We got medicine to control his episodes though. I think he gets out of sorts when he has to debate someone in a crowd. I've seen most of his town halls and he seems fairly normal acting when he's 1-on-1.

But who knows, his mental health might decline to a point where in 5 months from now his viability will be untenable.

Then again, what guarantee do we have that Bernie doesn't have a second heart attack in that time period either? :lol These old dinosaurs.
This is the problem. Sure, in a primary where the DNC is stacking the deck in his favor, you can simply give him "medicine" to control his gaffs and it'll be enough to put him over the top.

Going up against Trump where he's on an even playing field and doesn't have the people administering the election trying to help him win will require more than "controlling his episodes". He's actually going to need to speak coherently and give people a reason to vote for him.

I'm not sure how much more evidence you need to conclude his viability is untenable. He forgot the most famous line from the god damn Declaration of Independence today.

[Blake]

Trump's frankly pretty sharp for his age.

:lol fuck no but added lol "for his age"



Now cry some cuck tears about it.

Hurhurhurhur

[Reck]

This is the problem. Sure, in a primary where the DNC is stacking the deck in his favor, you can simply give him "medicine" to control his gaffs and it'll be enough to put him over the top.

Going up against Trump where he's on an even playing field and doesn't have the people administering the election trying to help him win will require more than "controlling his episodes". He's actually going to need to speak coherently and give people a reason to vote for him.

I'm not sure how much more evidence you need to conclude his viability is untenable. He forgot the most famous line from the god damn Declaration of Independence today.

That will depend on whom he picks for VP. A much younger, more charismatic running mate would alliviate some concerns. But you're going at 100mph here assuming Biden will be the guy. I say Sanders still has an 85% shot at the nomination.

Tomorrow that can be at 99.9%.

[Will Hunting]

Any Biden supporter who's honest with his/herself would admit that if in 2008 Sarah Palin had forgotten "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal" the Dems (including most Biden supporters) would be jumping all over it and calling McCain irresponsible for putting someone with such diminished mental capacity so close to the presidency.

[spurraider21]

Any Biden supporter who's honest with his/herself would admit that if in 2008 Sarah Palin had forgotten "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal" the Dems (including most Biden supporters) would be jumping all over it and calling McCain irresponsible for putting someone with such diminished mental capacity so close to the presidency.
to be fair, mccain WAS irresponsible for putting someone with such diminished mental capacity so close to the presidency

:lol i remember during the trump campaign i showed my dad one of palin's belligerent rambles and he started laughing saying that Tina Fey is really funny

[Spurtacular]

:lol fuck no but added lol "for his age"

Triggered cuckold. :lol

[Reck]

Any Biden supporter who's honest with his/herself would admit that if in 2008 Sarah Palin had forgotten "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal" the Dems (including most Biden supporters) would be jumping all over it and calling McCain irresponsible for putting someone with such diminished mental capacity so close to the presidency.

McCain's main choice was a fucking mummy. Lieberman would have been an equal disaster.

[Will Hunting]

to be fair, mccain WAS irresponsible for putting someone with such diminished mental capacity so close to the presidency

:lol i remember during the trump campaign i showed my dad one of palin's belligerent rambles and he started laughing saying that Tina Fey is really funny
He absolutely was.

Clyburn endorsing Biden knowing full well his mental capacity is equally diminished simply because Massa Biden gon' let Jim stay in the big house is equally irresponsible.

[spurraider21]

:lmao "we need a new kind of politics!

...also biden 2020"

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[spurraider21]

i will say, a big positive about buttigieg's campaign, imo, was how little his sexuality ever really came up as a reason not to vote for him. granted, this was still within the scope of the democratic primary, and the tone certainly would have shifted in the general election... but im pretty pleased with how it played out from that perspective :tu

[Blake]

Triggered!!!!!!!!! HUR HURDURHURDURHURDURCUCKHURDURDUR

[Blake]

i will say, a big positive about buttigieg's campaign, imo, was how little his sexuality ever really came up as a reason not to vote for him. granted, this was still within the scope of the democratic primary, and the tone certainly would have shifted in the general election... but im pretty pleased with how it played out from that perspective :tu

True. It would have been real fascinating to watch it play out in the general. I don't think Trump would say much but no doubt his Evangelical base would go nuts.

[Spurtacular]

Triggered cuckold. :lol

[Spurtacular]

True. It would have been real fascinating to watch it play out in the general. I don't think Trump would say much but no doubt his Evangelical base would go nuts.

He wouldn't need to say anything. America doesn't want that beta male as president.

[Reck]

He wouldn't need to say anything. America doesn't want that beta male as president.

You're like the alphas bbc amirite?

[Reck]

:lmao "we need a new kind of politics!

...also biden 2020"

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This is why most people saw right through him from the start. He seems too fake, too robotic to be genuine.

[Spurtacular]

You're like the alphas bbc amirite?

Don't lash out, tranny. You know I'm right.

[Reck]

:lmao "we need a new kind of politics!

...also biden 2020"

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Good lord it sure as fuck sounds like Biden is all but saying Pete would be my VP.

[baseline bum]

That will depend on whom he picks for VP. A much younger, more charismatic running mate would alliviate some concerns. But you're going at 100mph here assuming Biden will be the guy. I say Sanders still has an 85% shot at the nomination.


No it wouldn't, VP almost never matters. If there was ever a VP that was going to carry a presidential candidate it would have been Lloyd Bentsen in 1988, but Dukakis still got destroyed in a landslide despite Bush having a retard in Dan Quayle as his VP. The only election I have ever seen the VP mean anything was when Paul Ryan torpedoed Romney's campaign by running on killing off Medicare for everyone but the boomers.

[Reck]

No it wouldn't, VP almost never matters. If there was ever a VP that was going to carry a presidential candidate it would have been Lloyd Bentsen in 1988, but Dukakis still got destroyed in a landslide despite Bush having a retard in Dan Quayle as his VP. The only election I have ever seen the VP mean anything was when Paul Ryan torpedoed Romney's campaign by running on killing off Medicare for everyone but the boomers.

Things have changed though. You cant disagree that had Hillary picked Bernie as her VP that that wouldn't have mattered. It is the difference between Trump president not Clinton.

We're dealing with relics here no matter who you're talking about. A young running mate who is liked and excites people can help in the case of Biden who is fairly bland and establishment.

What I think anyways.

[spurraider21]

there's no chance bernie would have wanted to be clinton's VP :lol

[Reck]

there's no chance bernie would have wanted to be clinton's VP :lol

Like hell he wouldn't have said yes. Bernie is seeking power just like the rest of them. He's not just doing it for the hipsters you know.

[spurraider21]

Like hell he wouldn't have said yes. Bernie is seeking power just like the rest of them. He's not just doing it for the hipsters you know.
you think he'd want to carry water for somebody who has zero interest in pursuing his agenda that he's been running on for decades? :lol

[Reck]

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What's with the rash of people coming out now. This has got to be beyond just the DNC.

[spurraider21]

also, after watching Pete's endorsement and Biden's comments, i'd be shocked if Buttigieg wasn't tapped as Biden's running mate.

not only did Biden make repeated comments about Pete representing the future, and that if this was six years later, biden would be endorsing pete and not the other way around... but a good amount of biden's speech was, imo, a genuine, heartfelt comparison of buttigieg to beau, and i dont think biden would just throw that around lightly

[SnakeBoy]

i'd be shocked if Buttigieg wasn't tapped as Biden's running mate.


Pretty sure he got tapped

[ChumpDumper]

Very first sentence about moderates performing better in presidential elections is all I need to hear. The more moderate candidate has lost every presidential election in this country since McGovern ran against Nixon in 1972.

So were Bernie an actual communist, he would win in a landslide!

Makes sense.

[Spurs Homer]

Tucker carlson-

who is a certified piece of shit-


nailed bidens senility in his opening tonite-

every trump fellator probably jizzed while watching...


if tucker nazi carlson can destroy biden this easily- hate to see what an entire right wing of nazis can do to senile biden


stupid ass dems

[baseline bum]

also, after watching Pete's endorsement and Biden's comments, i'd be shocked if Buttigieg wasn't tapped as Biden's running mate.

not only did Biden make repeated comments about Pete representing the future, and that if this was six years later, biden would be endorsing pete and not the other way around... but a good amount of biden's speech was, imo, a genuine, heartfelt comparison of buttigieg to beau, and i dont think biden would just throw that around lightly

So Buttigieg has as much chance as a dead man? Rare moment of clarity from Biden I guess.

[SnakeBoy]

Tucker carlson-

who is a certified piece of shit-


nailed bidens senility in his opening tonite-

every trump fellator probably jizzed while watching...


if tucker nazi carlson can destroy biden this easily- hate to see what an entire right wing of nazis can do to senile biden


stupid ass dems

Tucker has been calling things pretty well lately, not just about Dems. Well except for his apparent infatuation with Tulsi.

[Reck]

you think he'd want to carry water for somebody who has zero interest in pursuing his agenda that he's been running on for decades? :lol

Well since you so decisively said he wouldn't accept a VP spot I thought it was an interesting view to have so I searched around to see where he unequivocally said no and couldn't find it. What I found was a bunch of we'll see videos when he was press for an answer.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna582346
https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-vice-president/index.html

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also dont think Bernie is so vindictive that he would out right refuse such an offer. That's being shortsighted.

[Will Hunting]

Tucker carlson-

who is a certified piece of shit-


nailed bidens senility in his opening tonite-

every trump fellator probably jizzed while watching...


if tucker nazi carlson can destroy biden this easily- hate to see what an entire right wing of nazis can do to senile biden


stupid ass dems
Carlson’s coverage of the primary has been on point for the most part.

[Blake]

Hur dur.

[Will Hunting]

So Buttigieg has as much chance as a dead man? Rare moment of clarity from Biden I guess.
:lmao

[Blake]

Hur dur Hur dur

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Waiting for that Beau + Gabriel ticket.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Buttplug would be a Tim Kaine level shitty VP choice. What group of voters does he help Biden relate to?

[Will Hunting]

Waiting for that Beau + Gabriel ticket.
Forgot all about poor sweet Gabriel :cry

[Reck]

:lol Buttplug would be a Tim Kaine level shitty VP choice. What group of voters does he help Biden relate to?

He should go for Beto. My dream would still be alive then. :cry

Seriously though, Beto has proven he can turn out the younger voters out, is young and is progressive....enough.

Had a massive blunder with the guns thing but otherwise he can bring energy to the dead vibe the Biden campaign hauls around everywhere he goes.

[Blake]

:lol Buttplug would be a Tim Kaine level shitty VP choice. What group of voters does he help Biden relate to?

It would just be overall optics to show he's hip and with it, I think.

I think Warren might be a fair choice but I really don't think any of the current crop of candidates move the needle for VP. I think he goes off script like McCain and picks someone nobody sees coming.

[Will Hunting]

He should go for Beto. My dream would still be alive then. :cry

Seriously though, Beto has proven he can turn out the younger voters out, is young and is progressive....enough.

Had a massive blunder with the guns thing but otherwise he can bring energy to the dead vibe the Biden campaign hauls around everywhere he goes.
Id be really surprised if Warren stays in the race just to fuck with Bernie and help Biden only for Biden to pick someone other than her. She’s committing political suicide with what used to be her base, so you’d expect her to get something good out of it.

[spurraider21]

Well since you so decisively said he wouldn't accept a VP spot I thought it was an interesting view to have so I searched around to see where he unequivocally said no and couldn't find it. What I found was a bunch of we'll see videos when he was press for an answer.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna582346
https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-vice-president/index.html

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also dont think Bernie is so vindictive that he would out right refuse such an offer. That's being shortsighted.
its not about being vindictive, its about being tied to the hip of an administration he doesn't believe in. VP should be in lock-step with the President, and the VP has to help get the president's agenda through congress. why the fuck would bernie want to do that for clinton?

[Blake]

Id be really surprised if Warren stays in the race just to fuck with Bernie and help Biden only for Biden to pick someone other than her. She’s committing political suicide with what used to be her base, so you’d expect her to get something good out of it.

She looks like a middle school principal. Maybe give her the department of education

[ChumpDumper]

Id be really surprised if Warren stays in the race just to fuck with Bernie and help Biden only for Biden to pick someone other than her. She’s committing political suicide with what used to be her base, so you’d expect her to get something good out of it.Eh, if she wants to stay Senator she'll be furniture for the rest of her life if she wants. Not even sure she'd want to leave that for anything less than the presidency.

[Will Hunting]

Eh, if she wants to stay Senator she'll be furniture for the rest of her life if she wants. Not even sure she'd want to leave that for anything less than the presidency.
I used to think that but remember how hard she was pushing to be Hillary’s VP 4 years ago? She clearly wanted it then and was disappointed to be passed over.

[ChumpDumper]

I used to think that but remember how hard she was pushing to be Hillary’s VP 4 years ago? She clearly wanted it then and was disappointed to be passed over.It would be historic and all that....

[ducks]

She looks like a middle school principal. Maybe give her the department of education

What the hell

[ElNono]

Seriously tho, after Biden gets curb stomped by Trump, what’s the centrist excuse going to be? Will it be similar to “he just ran into a buzzsaw” like the excuses made for Kerry in 2004, or will it be of the “he just wasn’t a very likeable candidate” Hillary Clinton variety?

The latter wouldn’t necessarily be inaccurate, tbh

[ducks]

The excuses should be his liberal democracy policies were soundly unpopular with USA

[spurraider21]

What the hell
looking like a middle school principal was the only legitimate qualification betsy devos had tbh

[baseline bum]

The latter wouldn’t necessarily be inaccurate, tbh

What would that bussaw be? It's not like this is a great economy for the working class with wages stagnant and housing, medical, and educational expenses shooting through the roof.

[spurraider21]

What would that bussaw be? It's not like this is a great economy for the working class with wages stagnant and housing, medical, and educational expenses shooting through the roof.
"the latter" meaning biden being unlikeable

[baseline bum]

"the latter" meaning biden being unlikeable

Oops fuck, read that wrong. Don't think Biden is particularly unlikable though.

[ElNono]

What would that bussaw be? It's not like this is a great economy for the working class with wages stagnant and housing, medical, and educational expenses shooting through the roof.

No, I mean the ‘he’s unlikeable’ argument wouldn’t be inaccurate.

[spurraider21]

Oops fuck, read that wrong. Don't think Biden is particularly unlikable though.
agreed. hillary's unfavorables rating was remarkably high, mainly ignored because trump's was more awful. biden might not be uber popular but miles better than hillary in that regard

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESJdO0gU0AAxSR1?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://i.redd.it/yi35nss5my841.jpg

but vote for joe biden tho

[ChumpDumper]

What would that bussaw be? It's not like this is a great economy for the working class with wages stagnant and housing, medical, and educational expenses shooting through the roof.Well, someone has been answering positively to the economic confidence polls....

[ElNono]

Also, you people gotta be honest here. There was plenty of criticism towards Denison when he was elected because the GOP put an incompetent person (putting it mildly) in charge. But now some of the same people want to put a senile, incoherent guy in charge? You know he won’t be in command of anything if he makes it. He can barely do a coherent speech right now.

[baseline bum]

No, I mean the ‘he’s unlikeable’ argument wouldn’t be inaccurate.

糞・・・・・・よく読まなくてごめん。今は、お前のお母さんともっとエッチしてください。あり がとうね。

[Will Hunting]

No, I mean the ‘he’s unlikeable’ argument wouldn’t be inaccurate.
According to all the moderates who claim Biden is going to blow Trump out of the water because he’s the likable lovable retard it would be inaccurate.

[spurraider21]

糞・・・・・・よく読まなくてごめん。今は、お前のお母さんともっとエッチしてください。あり がとうね。
https://i.gyazo.com/fe51045cb11dee675aa3e8ecf0bb63d3.png

[ElNono]

I though sloppy joe was ok 10-15 years ago, but watching him now is sad. I don’t know if people haven’t seen him recently, but he’s a shell of his former self.

[DarrinS]

Obama will be Bernie's age in 2040.


That is one old ass mf

[ElNono]

https://i.gyazo.com/fe51045cb11dee675aa3e8ecf0bb63d3.png

:lol

[Will Hunting]

Obama will be Bernie's age in 2040.


That is one old ass mf
So he’ll be Trumps age in 2035 then. BIG difference!

[baseline bum]

https://i.gyazo.com/fe51045cb11dee675aa3e8ecf0bb63d3.png

It's more like "Shit... I didn't read well, sorry about that. Now please fuck your mother more, asshole. Thanks, huh." Though エッチして is literally "do pervert (stuff)" since エッチ is ecchi, like H for hentai = pervert.

[Blake]

According to all the moderates who claim Biden is going to blow Trump out of the water because he’s the likable lovable retard it would be inaccurate.

Worked for W

[Spurtacular]

Worked for W

Cuckold wants the next Dubya. :lol

[Spurtacular]

agreed. hillary's unfavorables rating was remarkably high, mainly ignored because trump's was more awful. biden might not be uber popular but miles better than hillary in that regard

Fake polls.

[Reck]

Fake polls.

Trump is not liked by the majority of people. Why do you have to make an argument out of everything? Specially these kind of stuff that’s easily verifiable.

[Blake]

:lol Hur :lol dur :lol next dur :lol

[Blake]

real hur dur

[spurraider21]

Fake polls.
not really. corroborated by hillary getting millions of more people to vote for her than trump did.

favorability ratings are drawn nationally, not via the EC

[Spurtacular]

Trump is not liked by the majority of people. Why do you have to make an argument out of everything? Specially these kind of stuff that’s easily verifiable.

"Verifyable" by fake polls. The rallies told the tale. You hate that the system got exposed, tranny.

[Spurtacular]

not really. corroborated by hillary getting millions of more people to vote for her than trump did.

favorability ratings are drawn nationally, not via the EC

Why Dems want electronic voting and illegal aliens in addition to the traditional ballot box stuffers.

[Reck]

"Verifyable" by fake polls. The rallies told the tale. You hate that the system got exposed, tranny.

Really dumb metric to go by.

People who attend rallies aren’t all from that one area or even state. A lot of people travel out of state to attend these.

[Spurtacular]

Really dumb metric to go by.

People who attend rallies aren’t all from that one area or even state. A lot of people travel out of state to attend these.

:cry Don't trust your eyes when you can trust the lying media :cry

[spurraider21]

"Verifyable" by fake polls. The rallies told the tale. You hate that the system got exposed, tranny.
rallies =/= votes

hillary got 3 million more votes than trump did, period.

[spurraider21]

Why Dems want electronic voting and illegal aliens in addition to the traditional ballot box stuffers.
nobody wants illegal aliens voting in presidential elections. there has been no showing of any kind of widespread voter fraud. trump launched a commission to look into it. was coming up blank, he shut it down.

[Spurtacular]

rallies =/= votes

hillary got 3 million more votes than trump did, period.

Search your heart, Lite.

[Spurtacular]

:cry nobody wants illegal aliens voting in presidential elections. :cry

:lol

[Reck]

:lol

This and the crying emojis are your surrender card. Every time. :lol

[Spurtacular]

This and the crying emojis are your surrender card. Every time. :lol

Keep telling yourself that, tranny.

[spurraider21]

Search your heart, Lite.
facts dont care about your feelings, derp

he got outvoted by 3 million and bailed out by an archaic system that has outlived its purpose

[Reck]

Beto is such a goof ball. :lol he’s like a kid hyped up on candy.

Mi español está muy muy bueno. Ay ay ay

[Spurtacular]

facts dont care about your feelings, derp

he got outvoted by 3 million and bailed out by an archaic system that has outlived its purpose

:cry It's all on the up and up :cry

:lol

[pgardn]

:cry It's all on the up and up :cry

:lol

You enjoy getting kicked in the face.
Its strange, but entertaining.
Keep going.
It usually gets worse for you, but better for the board.

[Spurtacular]

You enjoy getting kicked in the face.
Its strange, but entertaining.
Keep going.
It usually gets worse for you, but better for the board.

Democrats love to cheat at elections. Come to terms, Cuck Garden.

[ducks]

In a surprise moment at the end of his Dallas rally on the eve of Super Tuesday, former Vice President Joe Biden called former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke up to the stage -- and vowed to put O'Rourke, who has said the government should forcibly seize assault rifles from Americans, in charge of gun-control efforts


Lol biden

[ducks]

Joe Biden botches Declaration of Independence quote

[ducks]

Biden accidentally says 'Tomorrow is Super Thursday' at rally ahead of crucial primaries

[ducks]

Biden fucking idiot

[Reck]

Biden fucking idiot

Something you two share.

[Spurtacular]

Biden accidentally says 'Tomorrow is Super Thursday' at rally ahead of crucial primaries

This'll be a wasted election for Democrats.

If they had ran Commie Cuck, they'd have an idea how far left the country is.
If they had ran Buttplug, they'd have a strong conservatives are homophobic narrative.

All they get out of this is the right has no respect for zombies. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

rallies =/= votes

hillary got 3 million more votes in California than trump did, period.

fify

[ElNono]

All they get out of this is the right has no respect for zombies. :lol

:lol the right has no self-respect either, tbh... so that's kinda part the course...

[Spurtacular]

:lol the right has no self-respect either, tbh... so that's kinda part the course...

If true, that sounds like the win you're looking for, amirite?

[ElNono]

If true, that sounds like the win you're looking for, amirite?

Nobody wins on a Biden/Trump race.

[Spurminator]

fify

No, she beat him by 4.4mm there.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody wins on a Biden/Trump race.

It's apparently a win for the Chumpettes to no have Commie Cuck on the ticket.

[ElNono]

It's apparently a win for the Chumpettes to no have Commie Cuck on the ticket.

I'm on the record Biden has no shot, he's Shillary 2.0, I could certainly be wrong. He's still likely to get more votes than Dear Leader though, which really shows what a weak candidate Trump is and what a wasted opportunity this is.

[ducks]

Pushing Beto to take guns away will hurt biden