2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

[Winehole23]

if you already have insurance it's nothing.If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.

[boutons_deux]

This.

Democrats now more educated than Republicans, Pew survey finds

Democrats are now the party of college graduates, especially those with post-graduate work.

Meanwhile, people with a high-school degree or less, by far the larger group, slightly lean toward Republicans.

Both preferences are the reverse of what they were in the 1990s.

54 percent of college graduates either identified as Democrats or leaned Democratic,

compared to 39 percent who identified or leaned Republican.

One-third of Americans have a college degree.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/22/democrats-more-educated-republicans-pew-research-c/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/22/democrats-more-educated-republicans-pew-research-c/)

2.1M federal employees whom Trash just screwed by cutting their annual pay raise below inflation.

And I suppose they see how Trash is abusing their colleagues in NatSec, Dept of State, IRS, and all Exec branch agencies.

Even Repugs are worried about AGW, and Repugs policies are making AGW worse, while allow BigCorp to poison air, land, water, and reducing Toxic site cleanups.

but, never underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of people

America is the Developed World Champion for %age who don't even vote

[Trainwreck2100]

If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.

and the guy who has insurance get's nothing, if their friend makes 110 bucks and they don't get any of it they got nothing, if their family got 110 bucks and didn't give them anything they got nothing, if the cost gets lowered from something they weren't going to pay anyway they got nothing.

[Winehole23]

it's an online pollif you have better information, by all means share it

[vy65]

If his scheme passes, your medical bills would be paid for too, do you consider that nothing?

Of course that’s something. The fact there there’s some return doesn’t erase the exchange being grossly inequitable in my case.

[vy65]

If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.

I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?

[Trainwreck2100]

if you have better information, by all means share it

the information, is that it's an online poll.

[Trill Clinton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERbXF6HXYAAHf4C?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?Offset by lower health care costs and reliable access to care, whenever it's needed.

[Will Hunting]

I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?
It’s the cost you’d be paying in most other modern countries.

[vy65]

Offset by lower health care costs and reliable access to care, whenever it's needed.

Which is great, but not really necessary to a thirty something professional i.e., those who bear the brunt of paying for all this.

Bernie doesn’t even support gestures like raising the SALT cap. He’s got his target audience.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.

Well Texas and Florida have lousy health care and these are swing states, and a tax hike wouldn't be a huge deal there because there's no state income taxes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Which is great, but not really necessary to a thirty something professional i.e., those who bear the brunt of paying for all this.

Bernie doesn’t even support gestures like raising the SALT cap. He’s got his target audience.
SALT income taxes should be completely eliminated. It's bogus that a person should relocate within the same country but automatically lose disposable income right off the bat for nothing.

[vy65]

It’s the cost you’d be paying in most other modern countries.

Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.

[Will Hunting]

Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.
The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.

[Trainwreck2100]

The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.

I get that but literally my only problem is that he wants to eliminate 1.8 million jobs. And his plan to help those people is to give them money to train them to do other stuff, but now you're expecting 40 year old career workers to start over, compete with new college grads, for shit wages because you just flooded the market with 1.8 million job seekers. Only reason i support a medicare buy in with tax break for the poor.

[boutons_deux]

Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.

in 30 or 40 years, those "burdenened" Medicare for All 20-30 year olds will be 60+ years old.

Works just like social security.

A huge component of Medicare for All is cost reduction, like regulating prices.

[vy65]

The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.

If I had my druthers, there’d be a candidate who would take the BBs we’re putting into defense and do a modern New Deal in infrastructure and IT. Warren is the only one I’ve heard of who has a plan like this. The way I see it, creating or further developing new economic sectors by the government is a way to directly promote growth and stability and while providing a more direct benefit to those who end up shouldering the burden.

But in reality, we have comrade free shit. I get the impulse to pay for social well being. My personal opinion is that Bernie asks for too much.

[Winehole23]

the information, is that it's an online poll.So you got nothing, not even a criticism of the methods used.

To be fair, there aren't any other recent SC polls at RCP. The You Gov/CBS poll is the most recent. Seems odd that landline polls seem to carry so much more weight with you -- who has a landline nowadays?

If you look at the betting markets, they favor Sanders even more strongly.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/

[Will Hunting]

If I had my druthers, there’d be a candidate who would take the BBs we’re putting into defense and do a modern New Deal in infrastructure and IT. Warren is the only one I’ve heard of who has a plan like this. The way I see it, creating or further developing new economic sectors by the government is a way to directly promote growth and stability and while providing a more direct benefit to those who end up shouldering the burden.

But in reality, we have comrade free shit. I get the impulse to pay for social well being. My personal opinion is that Bernie asks for too much.
Yeah go check what tax rates were in the New Deal era and tell me if you still think Bernie wants too much.

[Trainwreck2100]

So you got nothing, not even a criticism of the methods used.

To be fair, there aren't any other recent SC polls at RCP. The You Gov/CBS poll is the most recent. Seems odd that landline polls seem to carry so much more weight with you -- who has a landline nowadays?

If you look at the betting markets, they favor Sanders even more strongly.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/

if you look at steyer over there with the .4 odds of winning yet somehow he pulled the same percentage of voters Biden lost. That poll is clearly flawed

[Will Hunting]

I get that but literally my only problem is that he wants to eliminate 1.8 million jobs. And his plan to help those people is to give them money to train them to do other stuff, but now you're expecting 40 year old career workers to start over, compete with new college grads, for shit wages because you just flooded the market with 1.8 million job seekers. Only reason i support a medicare buy in with tax break for the poor.
Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.

[vy65]

Yeah go check what tax rates were in the New Deal era and tell me if you still think Bernie wants too much.

I don’t see why the New Deal era is relevant now (we’re not in the midst of a catastrophic economic collapse) or relevant to my point either.

The surest way to get back to the New Deal era is to force corporations to give stock to their employees. That’s a pretty sure fire way to instigate another economic collapse.

[Winehole23]

if you look at steyer over there with the .4 odds of winning yet somehow he pulled the same percentage of voters Biden lost. That poll is clearly flawedEh, we'll see how it lines up with the polls to come and the SC primary itself.

[vy65]

Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.

That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face. They may be massive assholes, but you can’t set fire to 1.8 million jobs and think it’s going to turn out well

[Will Hunting]

I don’t see why the New Deal era is relevant now (we’re not in the midst of a catastrophic economic collapse) or relevant to my point either.

The surest way to get back to the New Deal era is to force corporations to give stock to their employees. That’s a pretty sure fire way to instigate another economic collapse.
You said you wanted a new deal, that’s why it’s relevant. You don’t get a new deal with the tax rates where they are right now.

Socialism has never been the cause of economic collapse in this country. The two biggest economic collapses in American history were both caused by rampant wealth inequality and a middle class with no spending power.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.


Yeah fuck those people

Also Oil & Gas workers fuck those people

Really any group of workers that isn't down for the revolution fuck 'em amirite

[Will Hunting]

That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face. They may be massive assholes, but you can’t set fire to 1.8 million jobs and think it’s going to turn out well
Like it or not your subsidizing those fuckers the way the system currently works. I’d rather subsidize poor people who need healthcare vs. the bureaucrat at BCBS who gets bonused for finding creative ways to deny coverage and send people into bankruptcy.

[vy65]

You said you wanted a new deal, that’s why it’s relevant. You don’t get a new deal with the tax rates where they are right now.

Socialism has never been the cause of economic collapse in this country. The two biggest economic collapses in American history were both caused by rampant wealth inequality and a middle class with no spending power.

I said modern new deal and clarified that to mean shoveling the billions spent on defense to go towards economic vitalization through infrastructure spending. The New Deal of the 30’s isn’t a relevant comparison.

[Trainwreck2100]

Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.

The one's at the top will be fine, I'm sure they've already got plans with the others in the millionaire's club to bail and land somewhere else. It's not just the insurance companies losing though, every doctor's office has at least one clerk who liason's with the insurance companies, most will be gone if it works like it should. Every contractor who doesn't work in the industry but for the company is also fucked if it works like it's supposed to. Any municipality that depends on those $$ is fucked too. You can't just eliminate 1.8 million jobs and expect it only to effect 1.8 million people.

[vy65]

Like it or not your subsidizing those fuckers the way the system currently works. I’d rather subsidize poor people who need healthcare vs. the bureaucrat at BCBS who gets bonused for finding creative ways to deny coverage and send people into bankruptcy.

Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.

[Will Hunting]

I said modern new deal and clarified that to mean shoveling the billions spent on defense to go towards economic vitalization through infrastructure spending. The New Deal of the 30’s isn’t a relevant comparison.
I’d be all for that too but don’t see it moving the needle that much.

[boutons_deux]

Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.

the insurance industry and its investors are extracting/extorting wealth from citizens

If USA is to have universal health care through govt insurance, then the insurance industry must be transformed and removed as barrier/gateway between citizens and health care.

[monosylab1k]

Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.

Well then we can just stay eating the same lukewarm shit sandwich until we’re all dead.

[Will Hunting]

The one's at the top will be fine, I'm sure they've already got plans with the others in the millionaire's club to bail and land somewhere else. It's not just the insurance companies losing though, every doctor's office has at least one clerk who liason's with the insurance companies, most will be gone if it works like it should. Every contractor who doesn't work in the industry but for the company is also fucked if it works like it's supposed to. Any municipality that depends on those $$ is fucked too. You can't just eliminate 1.8 million jobs and expect it only to effect 1.8 million people.
So what are you saying? We should continue to let millions of Americans go bankrupt and pay twice as much per capita on healthcare than the rest of the modern world does because 1.8 million retards who only know how to earn a living by adding unnecessary bureaucracy and red tape to healthcare need a jerb? Thats the worst argument ever.

[vy65]

the insurance industry and its investors are extracting/extorting wealth from citizens

If USA is to have universal health care through govt insurance, then the insurance industry must be transformed and removed as barrier/gateway between citizens and health care.

I'm all for reform. I'm not for shit-canning 1.8 million people over four years because that'll really heat up the lukewarm shit sandwich we're currently eating.

[Will Hunting]

I'm all for reform. I'm not for shit-canning 1.8 million people over four years because that'll really heat up the lukewarm shit sandwich we're currently eating.
People get shitcanned every day for having a job that become obsolete and no longer needed, a lot of the time without much of a warning and a lot of the time because the company they work for is shipping their job overseas. Why should the soulless bureaucrats who work in healthcare administration get any more protection from the free market system than anyone else does?

[Trainwreck2100]

So what are you saying? We should continue to let millions of Americans go bankrupt and pay twice as much per capita on healthcare than the rest of the modern world does because 1.8 million retards who only know how to earn a living by adding unnecessary bureaucracy and red tape to healthcare need a jerb? Thats the worst argument ever.

Yeah fuck those 1.8 million retards but nah don't fuck the other millions of poor people cause it's definitely fine to fuck over people that I feel deserve it, even though up to now they've done nothing wrong but play the game by it's rules. And yes they'll need a job, and where are those jobs going to come from?

[baseline bum]

Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.

But you want to slash spending for our national offense too. That's basically a huge federally subsidized jobs program you'd set on fire.

[Trainwreck2100]

People get shitcanned every day for having a job that become obsolete and no longer needed, a lot of the time without much of a warning and a lot of the time because the company they work for is shipping their job overseas. Why should the soulless bureaucrats who work in healthcare administration get any more protection from the free market system than anyone else does?

because they're not 1.8 million soulless bureaucrats. The soulless ones will easily find jobs, assholes always come out ahead.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah fuck those 1.8 million retards but nah don't fuck the other millions of poor people cause it's definitely fine to fuck over people that I feel deserve it, even though up to now they've done nothing wrong but play the game by it's rules. And yes they'll need a job, and where are those jobs going to come from?
:lol so that is what you’re saying? It’s a yes or no question.

[Will Hunting]

because they're not 1.8 million soulless bureaucrats. The soulless ones will easily find jobs, assholes always come out ahead.
They absolutely are. When I call Cigna and the woman on the other line makes it as difficult as possible for me to fill my prescription she’s a soulless bureaucrat who can end up living on the streets for all I care.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol so that is what you’re saying? It’s a yes or no question.

I'm saying you're saying "we shouldn't fuck over those people because it's wrong, but we should definitely fuck over those other people because they deserve it".

[Will Hunting]

I'm saying you're saying "we shouldn't fuck over those people because it's wrong, but we should definitely fuck over those other people because they deserve it".
You’re not answering my question because you know the argument that we should make everyone pay more for healthcare in order to subsidize the 1.8 million unskilled healthcare administration workers who need a job is retarded.

Im also not saying we should fuck anyone over. I’m saying we should fix the healthcare system and let the chips fall where they may. If the jobs of healthcare administrative workers are collateral damage that’s unfortunate but I don’t see why those people deserve any more sympathy than the guy who worked at the GM plant until his job got sent to Mexico, and I certainly don’t see why we should be letting people go bankrupt paying for healthcare just to subsidize healthcare admin workers.

[spurraider21]

But you want to slash spending for our national offense too. That's basically a huge federally subsidized jobs program you'd set on fire.
:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

You’re not answering my question because you know the argument that we should make everyone pay more for healthcare in order to subsidize the 1.8 million unskilled healthcare administration workers who need a job is retarded.

Im also not saying we should fuck anyone over. I’m saying we should fix the healthcare system and let the chips fall where they may. If the jobs of healthcare administrative workers are collateral damage that’s unfortunate but I don’t see why those people deserve any more sympathy than the guy who worked at the GM plant until his job got sent to Mexico, and I certainly don’t see why we should be letting people go bankrupt paying for healthcare just to subsidize healthcare admin workers.

And I'm saying flooding the market with 1.8 million more qualified workers, after subsidizing some of them for five years, is not a good thing. It will at the least depress wages for other people in different industries.

[Winehole23]

And I'm saying flooding the market with 1.8 million more qualified workers, after subsidizing some of them for five years, is not a good thing. It will at the least depress wages for other people in different industries.lol Trainwreck arguing to keep the reserve army of the unemployed unemployed because, labor arbitrage.

[DarrinS]

Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems

[Winehole23]

Lot of solidarity amongst you DemsIf nominated, Bernie will beat Trump. He's bringing new blood into the party.

[spurraider21]

Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems
Exchange of ideas > lemmings rallying behind a cult of personality

[Spurminator]

It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.

Seems to me that young people understand the trade-off and are likely more concerned about the major difference in social issues with Bernie vs. Trump.

[vy65]

Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems

Discussing ideas sure is scary isn’t it?

[Will Hunting]

Off topic but :lmao Pete Buttplug being a sore loser, fuck this guy

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/23/buttigieg-claims-inconsistencies-nevada-results-116844

[Will Hunting]

Discussing ideas sure is scary isn’t it?
I’m surprised his post had 6 words, he usually keeps it to 5 words or less to accommodate his limited mental bandwidth.

[Trainwreck2100]

Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems
I'm no Dem but believe it or not a group of people who agree on some things often disagree on others

[Trainwreck2100]

lol Trainwreck arguing to keep the reserve army of the unemployed unemployed because, labor arbitrage.

Not really

[Will Hunting]

And I'm saying flooding the market with 1.8 million more qualified workers, after subsidizing some of them for five years, is not a good thing. It will at the least depress wages for other people in different industries.
I’m not saying it is a good thing.

im saying that 80 million Americans being uninsured or underinsured and 500,000 Americans declaring bankruptcy every year from medical bills is an exponentially worse thing.

[picnroll]

Off topic but :lmao Pete Buttplug being a sore loser, fuck this guy

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/23/buttigieg-claims-inconsistencies-nevada-results-116844
Bernie cornered the market on sore losers in 2016.

[Winehole23]

Not really
You actually got the math wrong.

Under conditions of full employment wages rise.

[Spurminator]

Discussing ideas sure is scary isn’t it?

In Darrin's world, it's better to just throw your hat in with people who believe school shooting victims are actors and that everyone in power (other than Donald Trump) is a secret transexual pedophile.

Expressing any disagreement with people who ultimately vote your way is weakness.

(Inb4 Darrin compares Qanon and Alex Jones to Russiagate)

[vy65]

I’m surprised his post had 6 words, he usually keeps it to 5 words or less to accommodate his limited mental bandwidth.

Disappointed we didn’t warrant a YouTube

[Trainwreck2100]

I’m not saying it is a good thing.

im saying that 80 million Americans being uninsured or underinsured and 500,000 Americans declaring bankruptcy every year from medical bills is an exponentially worse thing.
Like I said I'm in favor of a Medicare buy in with taxes covering those that can't afford it.

[Will Hunting]

Bernie cornered the market on sore losers in 2016.
87% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016
75% of Shillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

Hillary supporters are much worse losers than Bernie Bros are, the numbers prove it.

[Pelicans78]

in 30 or 40 years, those "burdenened" Medicare for All 20-30 year olds will be 60+ years old.

Works just like social security.

A huge component of Medicare for All is cost reduction, like regulating prices.

Social Security is bankrupt too! Just like our current Medicare.

[Will Hunting]

Like I said I'm in favor of a Medicare buy in with taxes covering those that can't afford it.
That wouldn’t do anything to address cost.

[Winehole23]

87% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016
75% of Shillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

Hillary supporters are much worse losers than Bernie Bros are, the numbers prove it.
Bernie only supported HRC 34 times at campaign events after he withdrew.

[Spurtacular]

87% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016
75% of Shillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

Hillary supporters are much worse losers than Bernie Bros are, the numbers prove it.

I think that stat shows Bernie supporters are just their own special kind of stupid to be supporting that psycho hag at that high of a clip.

[Will Hunting]

Bernie only supported HRC 34 times at campaign events after he withdrew.
Meanwhile Hillary is publicly railing against Bernie because she’s bitter about Democrats wishing they picked him 4 years ago.

[Spurtacular]

Bernie only supported HRC 34 times at campaign events after he withdrew.

Cuck did what he was told.

[Will Hunting]

I think that stat shows Bernie supporters are just their own special kind of stupid to be supporting that psycho hag at that high of a clip.
Fair enough, but, what it also shows is the narrative of Bernie Bros costing Hillary the election is bullshit.

[Winehole23]

Meanwhile Hillary is publicly railing against Bernie because she’s bitter about Democrats wishing they picked him 4 years ago.Dems wanting a 2016 do-over seems a reasonable wish considering the aftermath. Running the second most unpopular candidate ever against Trump was a huge mistake. That she was such an inept campaigner only compounded the error.

[Spurtacular]

Meanwhile Hillary is publicly railing against Bernie because she’s bitter about Democrats wishing they picked him 4 years ago.

Hillary supporters will point out that she won by three million votes. Never minding the certain improprieties that occurred, it ignores the principle that a great many people like to vote for the winner. There's a name for that IIRC.

[Winehole23]

Hillary supporters will point out that she won by three million votes. Never minding the certain improprieties that occurred, it ignores the principle that a great many people like to vote for the winner. There's a name for that IIRC.So far the bandwagon effect favors Sanders. If he wins CA and TX he'll be tough to catch.

[Spurtacular]

Fair enough, but, what it also shows is the narrative of Bernie Bros costing Hillary the election is bullshit.

If it was 93 percent would she have won?
They say that certain evangelicals staying home cost Mitt the election.

It may be true in either case; but it's laughable that any candidate should expect anyone to vote for him/her. People have their free will.

[Pelicans78]

Obama’s ACA made the private industry much worse by creating massive regulations forcing smaller insurances to go bankrupt, and creating a monopoly among the 4 major corporations in BC/BS, Aetna, Cigna, and Universal which allowed those insurances to raise prices and premium and the overall costs. It also put more pressure on Medicaid/Medicare since people lost their insurances and had to get government insurance which cut coverage on many different treatments and only worsened care for those patients. It can’t even effectively cover those folks. How is it gonna cover everyone? It’s a fantasy.

[Will Hunting]

If it was 93 percent would she have won?
They say that certain evangelicals staying home cost Mitt the election.

It may be true in either case; but it's laughable that any candidate should expect anyone to vote for him/her. People have their free will.
Maybe but your post is the point - getting 93% of your primary opponent’s voters would be an anomaly. The fact she basically just expected Sanders supporters to support her in record numbers with no outreach effort on her end just shows she’s a conceded whore.

[Spurtacular]

Maybe but your post is the point - getting 93% of your primary opponent’s voters would be an anomaly. The fact she basically just expected Sanders supporters to support her in record numbers with no outreach effort on her end just shows she’s a conceded whore.

The forecast was a fifteen to twenty percent drop-off. She went further left on $15 min wage and one or two other issues as a peace offering. I think the bigger issue was the people who recognized that the primary was rigged and abstained on principle. A psychopath like Hillary has no use for those kinds of people if she can't snow them.

[hater]

If nominated, Bernie will beat Trump. He's bringing new blood into the party.

ma niga
finallly came around :tu

[hater]

87% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016
75% of Shillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008

Hillary supporters are much worse losers than Bernie Bros are, the numbers prove it.

bingo

lets not forget Hillary supporters started wearing pussy hats after that loss :lmao

you cant get more sore than putting a pussy on your head after a loss :lol

[Will Hunting]

bingo

lets not forget Hillary supporters started wearing pussy hats after that loss :lmao

you cant get more sore than putting a pussy on your head after a loss :lol
Remember how angry Slick Willy was after Obama killed Hillary in South Carolina :lol

[Pelicans78]

It’s funny how Hillary felt she deserved to be president because she stayed with Slick Willy only to get embarrassed twice.

[Spurtacular]

Remember how angry Slick Willy was after Obama killed Hillary in South Carolina :lol

Nope. What happened?

[Spurtacular]

It’s funny how Hillary felt she deserved to be president because she stayed with Slick Willy only to get embarrassed twice.

That took real courage, all the media outlets said.

[Winehole23]

The Chris Matthews meltdown continues. He just compared Sanders winning Nevada to the fall of France to the Nazis.Wonder if he'll turn over the end of his show to Bernie Sanders rallies like he did repeatedly for Trump in 2016.

[Winehole23]

Nah

[ElNono]

Bernie's basic philosophy is NUTTY - work hard, achieve something and have the government take it from you and give to someone else who didn't. What does that do to anyone who strives to better his life, and why should someone who gets free x, y and z work? Pretty soon, no one will work. There ain't nothing that's for free.

So what do tell my son - no, you have to reject that elite university which I can't afford and go to a state university but that other person who racked up thousands in debt is gonna get it forgiven (and regardless of Bernie saying the RICH will pay for it, we all know that in the end, the middle class gets stuck with the bill).

Looks like you might have to move out to another country if he wins... good news: whatever that country is probably already has state-sponsored healthcare...

[Winehole23]

Path to victory and coattail effect for Bernie?

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[picnroll]

Are the bros going to be outraged if Bernie gets the nomination and Bloomberg uses a billion or two to try to get him elected?

[ElNono]

Whatever Bernie can’t pass thru Congress, he’ll use Executive Orders just like Trump. He’s no less on an authoritarian than Trump. They’re both two sides of the same coin.

I agree he would have a hard time passing stuff through Congress. Not sold he would ram stuff through executive orders, at least his larger proposals, but we’ll see (or maybe we won’t).

[baseline bum]

Bernie's basic philosophy is NUTTY - work hard, achieve something and have the government take it from you and give to someone else who didn't. What does that do to anyone who strives to better his life, and why should someone who gets free x, y and z work? Pretty soon, no one will work. There ain't nothing that's for free.

So what do tell my son - no, you have to reject that elite university which I can't afford and go to a state university but that other person who racked up thousands in debt is gonna get it forgiven (and regardless of Bernie saying the RICH will pay for it, we all know that in the end, the middle class gets stuck with the bill).

Just tell your son to go fuck his mother some more

[Winehole23]

Are the bros going to be outraged if Bernie gets the nomination and Bloomberg uses a billion or two to try to get him elected?

That's a remote possibility. Bloomberg joined the race to stop Bernie Sanders.

[ElNono]

It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.

Easily solvable with more free shit, tbh.... one time college debt pardon, etc

[picnroll]

That's a remote possibility. Bloomberg joined the race to stop Bernie Sanders.
Kind of like Bernie’s debate technique that’s not an answer.

[Winehole23]

Kind of like Bernie’s debate technique that’s not an answer.

That is an answer, you just don't like it, but I'll humor you.

If Bloomberg were to use his billions right now to support Democrats running for the House, the Senate, and the Presidency -- including or excepting Bernie Sanders -- that would be a much better use of his money than the vanity campaign he's running right now.

[picnroll]

That is an answer, you just don't like it, but I'll humor you.

If Bloomberg were to use his billions right now to support Democrats running for the House, the Senate, and the Presidency -- including or excepting Bernie Sanders -- that would be a much better use of his money than the vanity campaign he's running right now.
So it’s ok to buy an election by some rich guy as long as your guy it’s getting bought for.

[Thread]

That is an answer, you just don't like it, but I'll humor you.

If Bloomberg were to use his billions right now to support Democrats running for the House, the Senate, and the Presidency -- including or excepting Bernie Sanders -- that would be a much better use of his money than the vanity campaign he's running right now.

Sssssssshhhhhhhhhh...

He says he's going to do that in the bitter end. Saying & actually doing is 2 different things, entirely. In that end he may write a couple checks here & there, but, he ain't bankrolling the nominee. There'd be no impetus. He doesn't want Trump out of there...he wants to be (Trump), replace him as President. "I made President too & I stepped over you. Now, my VP can have it, I'm going back to my life. Buh-bye."

Something like that.

[picnroll]

Bro’s have such problems with reading comprehension. Let me simplify it for you.
I’m fine with a rich guy spending the odd billion to help elect Bernie.
Yes
No

[Spurminator]

Bro’s have such problems with reading comprehension. Let me simplify it for you.
I’m fine with a rich guy spending the odd billion to help elect Bernie.
Yes
No

Under the current system where his opponent will also be funded by rich people? Absolutely.

Hopefully Bernie (or whoever wins) would do something to make sure future elections aren't decided in such a way. But you play by the rules you're given.

[ElNono]

At least if you’re gonna leave 1.8 million peeps on the street, you’ll be getting a guy that actually cares about the social safety nets. I mean those people are on the chopping block anyways if you ask me.

[Will Hunting]

Bro’s have such problems with reading comprehension. Let me simplify it for you.
I’m fine with a rich guy spending the odd billion to help elect Bernie.
Yes
No
Yes. I’d even say that if Bloomer is so dedicated to ensuring Trump loses, he very much should be pouring money into a Sanders friendly PAC to help Sanders win.

[Will Hunting]

Sssssssshhhhhhhhhh...

He says he's going to do that in the bitter end. Saying & actually doing is 2 different things, entirely. In that end he may write a couple checks here & there, but, he ain't bankrolling the nominee. There'd be no impetus. He doesn't want Trump out of there...he wants to be (Trump), replace him as President. "I made President too & I stepped over you. Now, my VP can have it, I'm going back to my life. Buh-bye."

Something like that.
If Sanders ends up winning the primary I’d say it’s more likely Bloomer endorses Trump than Sanders.

[Will Hunting]

Nope. What happened?
He got blindsided by a reporter and said something like “Yeah Jesse Jackson won South Carolina big I guess Obama is the next Jesse Jackson then!”

[Spurtacular]

He got blindsided by a reporter and said something like “Yeah Jesse Jackson won South Carolina big I guess Obama is the next Jesse Jackson then!”

That answer was probably more calculated than you think.

[Will Hunting]

That answer was probably more calculated than you think.
He had a nasty look on his face when he gave it and got a lot of media scrutiny for it (even the Clinton News Network wasn’t a fan).

[Reck]

:lol These last 10 pages I just read.

Totally worth it once I got to the Darrin post where he drove by than proceeded to get dunked on. Never came back after.

:lol Dems united enough to shit on you looks like Darrin.

[Winehole23]

So it’s ok to buy an election by some rich guy as long as your guy it’s getting bought for.That's the rules right now. There's no limit on issue ads, there isn't a thing in the world Bernie can do to stop Bloomberg from spending billions on him that way.

Sanders would probably decline direct support from Bloomberg, he seems pretty proud about not taking money from billionaires.

[DarrinS]

1231629742551355392

[Winehole23]

Bro’s have such problems with reading comprehension. Let me simplify it for you.
I’m fine with a rich guy spending the odd billion to help elect Bernie.
Yes
No
Asked and answered boss.

Yes.

It's important to vote all the Republican dickheads out, but especially Trump

[Will Hunting]

1231629742551355392
Another great post from Dad Joke Darrin

[DarrinS]

Another great post from Dad Joke Darrin

:lol

[Reck]

Another great post from Dad Joke Darrin

But you dont think it's funny? He probably spent the last 2 hours looking for a gotcha.

[Winehole23]

Asked and answered boss.

Yes.

It's important to vote all the Republican dickheads out, but especially TrumpDo I wish the rules were different?

You bet.

I'd be for publicly funded national elections with automatic voter registration, short campaigns, hard caps on spending and no private contributions. If there were some constitutional way to limit dark money issue ads that would be all to the good. Not sure there is, though.

Get money out of politics and let the people decide what's important for themselves.

[spurraider21]

1231629742551355392
Left thriving, centrists dying?

[Reck]

So apparently Bloomberg has a two hall tomorrow on CNN. :lol By all means, go.

[spurraider21]

How does buttplug call himself more electable than sanders if sanders always gets more votes than him :lol

[Spurtacular]

He had a nasty look on his face when he gave it and got a lot of media scrutiny for it (even the Clinton News Network wasn’t a fan).

My top five bitter Clinton moment is a few days after the final debate with Trump, Hillary exhaling and telling a gaggle of reporters that she was relieved to no longer face off against him. Then when she realized how that would play she quickly added on what a sexist monster Trump is and how it's hard to even be on the stage with him. TBH, that second part is probably the only reason I ever even saw it, anyhow. I have not been able to find that clip again. She came off as so pathetic and beat. That's why I :lol when posters like blakehole brag that Hillary won all three debates.

[DMC]

How does buttplug call himself more electable than sanders if sanders always gets more votes than him :lol

Hillary got more votes than Bernie in 2016. People here claim Bernie was more electable than Hillary. Your comment seems like a non sequitur if Pete was referring to the general election.

[Reck]

Hillary got more votes than Bernie in 2016. People here claim Bernie was more electable than Hillary. Your comment seems like a non sequitur if Pete was referring to the general election.

Bernie seem to have espanded his coalition. He now has a respectable hold of black and Latino voters with him. 27 and 41. That's double the amount from 2016.

[ChumpDumper]

1231629742551355392Looks like your twisting when you try to get out of answering simple questions.

:lol brave Darrin ran away

[boutons_deux]

I'm all for reform. I'm not for shit-canning 1.8 million people over four years because that'll really heat up the lukewarm shit sandwich we're currently eating.

If BigCorp trashes 1.8M jobs, it's "creative destruction" or "increasing shareholder value"

If the govt offers a cheaper no-profit, no-investor health insurance that the for-profit gang can't compete with and lets 1.8M jobs go, it's shitcanning.

Citizens have been subsidizing those 1.8M people for decades. US health care overcharges $1T / year and still doesn't cover everybody.

[Reck]

My top five bitter Clinton moment is a few days after the final debate with Trump, Hillary exhaling and telling a gaggle of reporters that she was relieved to no longer face off against him. Then when she realized how that would play she quickly added on what a sexist monster Trump is and how it's hard to even be on the stage with him. TBH, that second part is probably the only reason I ever even saw it, anyhow. I have not been able to find that clip again. She came off as so pathetic and beat. That's why I :lol when posters like blakehole brag that Hillary won all three debates.

Yeah this sounds like a derp made up story. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Yeah this sounds like a derp made up story. :lol

Have you not figure out yet that I put no value in blatant lies? I sh** on you enough with the truth, tranny.

[Will Hunting]

So apparently Bloomberg has a two hall tomorrow on CNN. :lol By all means, go.
He’ll have it staged with soft ball questions that he knows are coming...not a chance he opens himself up to the risk of insurgents showing up with gotcha questions.

[Reck]

Have you not figure out yet that I put no value in blatant lies? I sh** on you enough with the truth, tranny.

You make up lies about posters here every day. On this post alone you made several lies up.

[benefactor]

Hey Darrin what do you call a cow with no legs?

Ground beef.

[Spurtacular]

You make up lies about posters here every day. On this post alone you made several lies up.

:lol Tranny unhinged.

[Reck]

:lol Tranny unhinged.

Lie #3 and #4.

[Spurtacular]

Lie #3 and #4.

You bitter AF. :lol

[Reck]

You bitter AF. :lol

Another lie. But I'll give you one post to give your rationale on how I'm unhinged and bitter. GO

[Spurtacular]

Another lie. But I'll give you one post to give your rationale on how i'm unhinged and bitter. GO

It burns you that I called you out on being a tranny. I wasn't the first; but I am the one that hammered it home and got you realizing you have to act like a man more. You should be thanking me. Instead you go around lashing out when I tell true stories. :lol

[spurraider21]

Have you not figure out yet that I put no value in blatant lies? I sh** on you enough with the truth, tranny.
Truths like merkel being hitlers daughter?

[DarrinS]

Left thriving, centrists dying?


The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.

[Spurtacular]

Truths like merkel being hitlers daughter?

That's a different context than telling a straight-on happening. But the evidence was pretty solid. You'll sperm shield through and through either way; I'm not bothered.

[Reck]

It burns you that I called you out on being a tranny. I wasn't the first; but I am the one that hammered it home and got you realizing you have to act like a man more. You should be thanking me. Instead you go around lashing out when I tell true stories. :lol

:lmao

Definitely on the delusional side more than derrange one.

[Winehole23]

Truths like merkel being hitlers daughter?Come to terms.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Definitely on the delusional side more than derrange one.

You spent over a decade being the forum tranny 'til I shamed you too hard. :lmao

[spurraider21]

The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.
They’re freaked out about the party being co-opted the way republicans were during trumps rise

[Winehole23]

The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.Based on what?

Sanders crushes Trump among independents in this poll:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/reuters-ipsos-data-democratic-primary-2020-02-10

[Winehole23]

A national Reuters/Ipsos poll released Monday found Sen. Bernie Sanders leading President Donald Trump by 18 percentage points among independent voters in a hypothetical general election match-up

[florige]

Off topic but :lmao Pete Buttplug being a sore loser, fuck this guy

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/23/buttigieg-claims-inconsistencies-nevada-results-116844


I am really starting to despise this little twerp. He stands zero chance against Trump and is trying to bring down the one candidate who everyone deep down knows can beat Trump. Buttigieg needs to just take his narrow Iowa win and the rest of his L’s and just go way.

[Will Hunting]

The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.
So you think 40% of this country is a swing voter :lmao

[Spurtacular]

So you think 40% of this country is a swing voter :lmao

It's been growing regardless. I do think the average independent voter leans Repub. Though a significant segment of them are old-dawg dems who like the values and hate the party.

[DarrinS]

So you think 40% of this country is a swing voter :lmao


https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

[Will Hunting]

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
Use your own words like a big boy Darrin, don’t cop out with a link.

[florige]

My top five bitter Clinton moment is a few days after the final debate with Trump, Hillary exhaling and telling a gaggle of reporters that she was relieved to no longer face off against him. Then when she realized how that would play she quickly added on what a sexist monster Trump is and how it's hard to even be on the stage with him. TBH, that second part is probably the only reason I ever even saw it, anyhow. I have not been able to find that clip again. She came off as so pathetic and beat. That's why I :lol when posters like blakehole brag that Hillary won all three debates.

I was actually shocked that Trump was able to own Hillary like that. He was pretty sharp in his attacks in her. She would had been better off just sticking to the topics and not trying to get into dirty slinging with him because he’s a pro at it.

[Will Hunting]

It's been growing regardless. I do think the average independent voter leans Repub. Though a significant segment of them are old-dawg dems who like the values and hate the party.
I definitely agree the average independent voter leans Republican but I also think the average “independent” voter has a preferred party they support and align with 95% of the time.

[Spurtacular]

I definitely agree the average independent voter leans Republican but I also think the average “independent” voter has a preferred party they support and align with 95% of the time.

Nah. I think there are more wishy-washy voters out there than that, tbh. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

[DarrinS]

Use your own words like a big boy Darrin, don’t cop out with a link.

Did you not understand the numbers you saw?

[pgardn]

That's a different context than telling a straight-on happening. But the evidence was pretty solid. You'll sperm shield through and through either way; I'm not bothered.

Sure.

Link.

[DarrinS]

Oh, and

"Just 23% of independents, though, and 7% of Republicans viewed socialism favorably"


https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-but-socialism-isnt-popular-with-most-americans

[Spurtacular]

Sure.

Link.

Lite can list it for you. It's apparently a big thing for him.

[pgardn]

I was actually shocked that Trump was able to own Hillary like that. He was pretty sharp in his attacks in her. She would had been better off just sticking to the topics and not trying to get into dirty slinging with him because he’s a pro at it.

Own her by following her around and standing behind her...

That was so weird.

[pgardn]

Lite can list it for you. It's apparently a big thing for him.

"Evidence is pretty solid"

I have no evidence.

Thats cool.

[Spurtacular]

"Evidence is pretty solid"

I have no evidence.

Thats cool.

It's been posted. I'm sorry you weren't there for that, Cuck Garden.

But I'm sure you can google it in twenty seconds; or keep lashing out. :lol

[pgardn]

It's been posted. I'm sorry you weren't there for that, Cuck Garden.

But I'm sure you can google it in twenty seconds; or keep lashing out. :lol

Evidence is there.
But not any longer.

I know its tough when you have to refer to your spaghetti monster sites.
Its not a good look incel boy.

[Winehole23]

Oh, and

"Just 23% of independents, though, and 7% of Republicans viewed socialism favorably"


https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-but-socialism-isnt-popular-with-most-americansYet, independents seem to prefer Sanders against Trump.

[Will Hunting]

Did you not understand the numbers you saw?
I understand 40% of Americans label themselves as independent; I think it means jack shit in terms of determining swing voters though.

im sure you’re considering Biden and Bloomer if they win though.

[Spurtacular]

Evidence is there.
But not any longer.

I know its tough when you have to refer to your spaghetti monster sites.
Its not a good look incel boy.

:lmao That you think the system wouldn't bury the story
:lmao Useful idiot

[Reck]

I am really starting to despise this little twerp. He stands zero chance against Trump and is trying to bring down the one candidate who everyone deep down knows can beat Trump. Buttigieg needs to just take his narrow Iowa win and the rest of his L’s and just go way.

I believe Bernie can beat Trump but that will probably cost us a shot at the senate. He'll hurt down ballot.

His supporters only care about Bernie so they're not going to bother check marking any other Ds down ballot.

[Spurtacular]

I believe Bernie can beat Trump but that will probably cost us a shot at the senate. He'll hurt down ballot.

His supporters only care about Bernie so they're not going to bother check marking any other Ds down ballot.

Fucking commie cucks, amirite?

[pgardn]

:lmao That you think the system wouldn't bury the story
:lmao Useful idiot

"Solid evidence."

Slinks away like the incel he is.

You told the board it was solid. Im gonna google and find some other incel's random you tube site that shows him beating off to Merkel while giving the "solid evidence".
Nope.
Give me the solid evidence.

[Spurtacular]

"Solid evidence."

Slinks away like the incel he is.

You told the board it was solid. Im gonna google and find some other incel's random you tube site that shows him beating off to Merkel while giving the "solid evidence".
Nope.
Give me the solid evidence.

I don't go digging for you cucks. Keep believing that's a w for you.

[pgardn]

Oh okay incel.

Buried by the deep state I guess.

What a joke...

[Spurtacular]

Oh okay incel.

Buried by the deep state I guess.

What a joke...

:lol You're so erratic.

Deep state not a thing, amirite?

[Will Hunting]

I believe Bernie can beat Trump but that will probably cost us a shot at the senate. He'll hurt down ballot.

His supporters only care about Bernie so they're not going to bother check marking any other Ds down ballot.
That’s like saying Republicans would lose the senate in 2016 because the Trumpers won’t bother to check marketing any other Rs down ballot.

[Reck]

That’s like saying Republicans would lose the senate in 2016 because the Trumpers won’t bother to check marketing any other Rs down ballot.

Except you know that's bullshit.

You need moderates in moderates states. Do you think a Bernie backed candidate wins in Arizona? Would he back a Sinema type? Doubt it.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet, independents seem to prefer Sanders against Trump.Well, Trump does happen to suck ass. I'm not sure that should be confused with an endorsement of socialism by them all.

[Will Hunting]

Except you know that's bullshit.

You need moderates in moderates states. Do you think a Bernie backed candidate wins in Arizona? Would he back a Sinema type? Doubt it.
He backed your girl Hillary, she was a Sinema type before there was a Sinema type.

[spurraider21]

latest dump from nevada

https://i.gyazo.com/cb5ac8bf6a1902c129cfcf58309f8eb5.png

[Pelicans78]

Except you know that's bullshit.

You need moderates in moderates states. Do you think a Bernie backed candidate wins in Arizona? Would he back a Sinema type? Doubt it.

If Bernie can win swing states, why wouldn’t candidates backed by him win?

[spurraider21]

The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.
i never saw trump as the "reasonable candidate" that independents would gravitate towards

our voter participation rate is shitty, right around 66% in general elections. you are better served riling up your base to come out in big numbers than trying to win over swing voters. i dont think thats the ideal scenario, but until we boost voter participation, it's the reality.

[pgardn]

:lol You're so erratic.

Deep state not a thing, amirite?

Yeah I get that.
You are consistently pondering the sex lives of other men.
Paranoid Incel boy.

No. The deep state is not a thing. There is no monolithic intelligence service that makes things go away that YOU refer to.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah I get that.
You are consistently pondering the sex lives of other men.
Paranoid Incel boy.

No. The deep state is not a thing. There is no monolithic intelligence service that makes things go away that YOU refer to.

They may not have taken blood oaths; but there's definitely factions. You clearly don't know anything about history. You keep believing that the police state is looking out for you, Cuck Garden.

For what it's worth, they won't be coming after gimps like you probably, anyhow. That's all the confirmation bias you'll ever need. :lol

[Reck]

If Bernie can win swing states, why wouldn’t candidates backed by him win?

The states that have a realistic shot at turning blue are all in heavy republican states. None of which are in swing states.

[Spurtacular]

The states that have a realistic shot at turning blue are all in heavy republican states. None of which are in swing states.

Tell us about these states that have a realistic shot at turning blue.

[Reck]

Tell us about these states that have a realistic shot at turning blue.

Arizona, Colorado and Maine comes to mind immediately.

[Thread]

Arizona, Colorado and Maine comes to mind immediately.

Arizona won't. The only reason they believed they would in '16 is because they'd targeted Arpaio & the Dem's figured once they got in that booth they'd pull for Penzone/Sheriff & Clinton for President. No. They waited till well into Wednesday before they finally called it, but, it was never in doubt.

[Spurtacular]

Arizona, Colorado and Maine comes to mind immediately.

I thought you said they weren't swing states?

[DarrinS]

i never saw trump as the "reasonable candidate" that independents would gravitate towards

our voter participation rate is shitty, right around 66% in general elections. you are better served riling up your base to come out in big numbers than trying to win over swing voters. i dont think thats the ideal scenario, but until we boost voter participation, it's the reality.


I guess you don't see the possibility of Bernie turning out voters who didn't vote in 2016.

To vote against Bernie.

I am one.

[Spurtacular]

i never saw trump as the "reasonable candidate" that independents would gravitate towards

our voter participation rate is shitty, right around 66% in general elections. you are better served riling up your base to come out in big numbers than trying to win over swing voters. i dont think thats the ideal scenario, but until we boost voter participation, it's the reality.

Lite mad that the more of the bottom of society not participating. :lol

[Reck]

Arizona won't. The only reason they believed they would in '16 is because they'd targeted Arpaio & the Dem's figured once they got in that booth they'd pull for Penzone/Sheriff & Clinton for President. No. They waited till well into Wednesday before they finally called it, but, it was never in doubt.

I'm talking about senate races, not general.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess you don't see the possibility of Bernie turning out voters who didn't vote in 2016.

To vote against Bernie.

I am one.:lol you were never going to vote for anyone but Dennison.

[Winehole23]

I guess you don't see the possibility of Bernie turning out voters who didn't vote in 2016.

To vote against Bernie.

I am one.Universalizing from the particular very much becomes you.

You don't seem to be catching on that Sanders is expanding the electorate to people who don't usually vote, not just turned off Republicans like you.

[florige]

Own her by following her around and standing behind her...

That was so weird.


Trump probably did that on purpose to get a reaction out of her. I mean everything he’d done up to that point had been unorthodox anyway. I was just surprised that he was able to get so many sound bites against her and catch her in so many gotcha moments.

[Will Hunting]

I guess you don't see the possibility of Bernie turning out voters who didn't vote in 2016.

To vote against Bernie.

I am one.
:lmao bullshit

Its amazing how all the Republicans on this site ostensibly didn’t support Trump 2016 and are considering not supporting him in 2020.

[DMC]

Bernie seem to have espanded his coalition. He now has a respectable hold of black and Latino voters with him. 27 and 41. That's double the amount from 2016.

Either Bernie was a more electable candidate in 2016 than Hillary or he wasn't.

[DarrinS]

:lmao bullshit

Its amazing how all the Republicans on this site ostensibly didn’t support Trump 2016 and are considering not supporting him in 2020.



I literally thought he had no chance because of the polling.

[Pelicans78]

:lmao bullshit

Its amazing how all the Republicans on this site ostensibly didn’t support Trump 2016 and are considering not supporting him in 2020.

No way in hell Republicans are voting against Trump. He has a 90%+ favoribility among them.

[DarrinS]

I literally thought he had no chance because of the polling.


My wife and I went to a bar with our Hillary supporting friends and we were shocked. It was like that SNL skit, tbh.

[DMC]

No way in hell Republicans are voting against Trump. He has a 90%+ favoribility among them.

Especially for a socialist.

[Will Hunting]

Especially for a socialist.
Especially for anyone running with a D next to their name. Biden and Bloomer aren’t going to do any better with Republican voters than Sanders will.

[DarrinS]

Mark my words. If Sanders is the candidate, there will be massive turnout in people 45+ against him.

You can bump this later.

[Reck]

Harry Reid should've let Bernie challenge Obama back in 2012 like the rumors say. There would be no Bernie today had he challenge Obama like they said.

First of all, challenging an incumbent president. :lol

Challenging an incumbent president that much like Trump does now had and still has an aproval rating of 97% among democrats. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

My wife and I went to a bar with our Hillary supporting friends and we were shocked. It was like that SNL skit, tbh.

Those are gonorrhea, and I don't have any of those... so me > you.

[DarrinS]

Those are gonorrhea, and I don't have any of those... so me > you.

Normal people. It's not so much that they loved Hillary, but that they hated Trump.

[Winehole23]

Hilarious thread about a Bloomberg event in Fort Worth.

https://twitter.com/emayfarris/status/1231614895923351553?s=19

[Winehole23]

Hilarious LA Times article about Bloomberg's digital army:

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-23/mike-bloomberg-paid-twitter-social-media

[Winehole23]

Joe Lockhart begs Bloomberg to take Sanders down:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/22/opinions/bloomberg-needs-to-take-down-sanders-lockhart/index.html

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1231769565069266950

Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) You asked me what kind of chances Bernie has in Florida and I told you nearly zero. This further proofs my point that he has a better shot in Texas than Florida.

He's really going to have to asnwer a lot of the socialist thing even though I myself dont have a problem with it. But he has to convince the older voters he's not an actual communist.

[ChumpDumper]

1231769565069266950Landslide Larry David tbh.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1231769565069266950

Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) You asked me what kind of chances Bernie has in Florida and I told you nearly zero. This further proofs my point that he has a better shot in Texas than Florida.

He's really going to have to asnwer a lot of the socialist thing even though I myself dont have a problem with it. But he has to convince the older voters he's not an actual communist.

He loves the commies. What's it matter if he says he's one or not?

[Spurtacular]

I literally thought he had no chance because of the polling.

Submission polls. Establishment does that to keep you away.

Presidential polling for 2020 has consistently had 'the dem candidate' at 51ish percent and Trump at 39ish percent.

Now who in their right fu**ing mind thinks that'll be the margins?

Chumpettes actually mindlessly quote that sh**. :lmao

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1231769565069266950

Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) You asked me what kind of chances Bernie has in Florida and I told you nearly zero. This further proofs my point that he has a better shot in Texas than Florida.

He's really going to have to asnwer a lot of the socialist thing even though I myself dont have a problem with it. But he has to convince the older voters he's not an actual communist.
this might work on people who didnt watch the interview

[Spurtacular]

this might work on people who didnt watch the interview

Conversely....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-matthews-faces-calls-for-resignation-after-comparing-sanders-victory-to-nazi-invasion/ar-BB10iimx?ocid=spartanntp

[picnroll]

Republicans looking at Bernie and licking their chops
https://apple.news/Aje_Txp2CTmKlQVpt8Rz3wQ

[baseline bum]

I literally thought he had no chance because of the polling.

So you actually believed it was a bunch of independent coin flips Trump had to win like the media morons who claimed Clinton had a 99% chance?

[Will Hunting]

Bernie's basic philosophy is NUTTY - work hard, achieve something and have the government take it from you and give to someone else who didn't. What does that do to anyone who strives to better his life, and why should someone who gets free x, y and z work? Pretty soon, no one will work. There ain't nothing that's for free.

So what do tell my son - no, you have to reject that elite university which I can't afford and go to a state university but that other person who racked up thousands in debt is gonna get it forgiven (and regardless of Bernie saying the RICH will pay for it, we all know that in the end, the middle class gets stuck with the bill).
Nobody cares about your halfbreed fuckwad son. You can tell him his mom is lazy government employee who didn’t save any money for him to go to college.

[baseline bum]

Republicans looking at Bernie and licking their chops
https://apple.news/Aje_Txp2CTmKlQVpt8Rz3wQ

So who are you voting for in the primary?

[picnroll]

So who are you voting for in the primary?

Probably Buttigieg or Bloomberg if he’s not out of any chance. Unfortunately I have extremely little to no faith that Sanders can beat Trump and that the Democrats can hold the house with Sanders as the dem candidate. I don’t have issues with most of Sanders programs minus a totally free education or complete forgiveness of student loans, I just think it’s four years too early to attempt them and by jumping the gun A completely unbridled Trump will be in office another four years and do immeasurable damage to the country. Bros say there is no difference between centrist Democrats and Trump which is of course complete and utter BS. But the bros would rather have an untainted defeat than a tainted victory.

[Will Hunting]

Probably Buttigieg or Bloomberg if he’s not out of any chance. Unfortunately I have extremely little to no faith that Sanders can beat Trump and that the Democrats can hold the house with Sanders as the dem candidate. I don’t have issues with most of Sanders programs minus a totally free education or complete forgiveness of student loans, I just think it’s four years too early to attempt them and by jumping the gun A completely unbridled Trump will be in office another four years and do immeasurable damage to the country. Bros say there is no difference between centrist Democrats and Trump which is of course complete and utter BS. But the bros would rather have an untainted defeat than a tainted victory.
Bloomer isn’t a centrist Dem, he’s a Republican.

[monosylab1k]

I guess you don't see the possibility of Bernie turning out voters who didn't vote in 2016.

To vote against Bernie.

I am one.

Well of course you’re voting for Trump, you’ve spent 3+ years now semenshielding for him.

[picnroll]

Bloomer isn’t a centrist Dem, he’s a Republican.
Do you have a clue as to the positions he’s taken in this primary? He’s actually ACCOMPLISHED more than Sanders has in his entire life related to the environment, gun control and education.

[Will Hunting]

Do you have a clue as to the positions he’s taken in this primary? He’s actually ACCOMPLISHED more than Sanders has in his entire life related to the environment, gun control and education.
When he was mayor of New York, did he have an R or a D next to his name? This isn’t some kind of conspiracy theory, Mike Bloomberg identified as a Republican until he needed to start winning the approval of Democrats.

I don’t care about the positions he’s taken in the primary that he’s going to backpedal on. He was against Obamacare (called it a disgrace), was against Obama letting the GWB tax cuts expire, ramped up the stop and frisk policing, was in favor of Trumps corporate tax cuts, and poured millions of dollars into Pat Toomey’s campaign because muh gun control even though Toomey is a big reason we now have Kavanaugh. He’s also presumably in favor of citizens united since if not for that SCOTUS ruling his campaign wouldn’t be possible.

Hes an oligarch cut from the same cloth as DJT.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1231769565069266950

Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) You asked me what kind of chances Bernie has in Florida and I told you nearly zero. This further proofs my point that he has a better shot in Texas than Florida.

He's really going to have to asnwer a lot of the socialist thing even though I myself dont have a problem with it. But he has to convince the older voters he's not an actual communist.Sanders complimented Cuban education, Obama did the same five years ago and shook Raul Castro's hand, I guess we're all still confused about whether he's an actual commie, right?

[picnroll]

When he was mayor of New York, did he have an R or a D next to his name? This isn’t some kind of conspiracy theory, Mike Bloomberg identified as a Republican until he needed to start winning the approval of Democrats.

I don’t care about the positions he’s taken in the primary that he’s going to backpedal on. He was against Obamacare (called it a disgrace), was against Obama letting the GWB tax cuts expire, ramped up the stop and frisk policing, was in favor of Trumps corporate tax cuts, and poured millions of dollars into Pat Toomey’s campaign because muh gun control even though Toomey is a big reason we now have Kavanaugh. He’s also presumably in favor of citizens united since if not for that SCOTUS ruling his campaign wouldn’t be possible.

Hes an oligarch cut from the same cloth as DJT.
I personally think he’ll follow through on his platform. Just my opinion. At this point he’s most interested in his legacy.
What does Bernie have after his name now, an I or a D. Why the fuck isn’t he honest and running as an independent?

[baseline bum]

Probably Buttigieg or Bloomberg if he’s not out of any chance. Unfortunately I have extremely little to no faith that Sanders can beat Trump and that the Democrats can hold the house with Sanders as the dem candidate. I don’t have issues with most of Sanders programs minus a totally free education or complete forgiveness of student loans, I just think it’s four years too early to attempt them and by jumping the gun A completely unbridled Trump will be in office another four years and do immeasurable damage to the country. Bros say there is no difference between centrist Democrats and Trump which is of course complete and utter BS. But the bros would rather have an untainted defeat than a tainted victory.

Wow Bloomberg? Might as well just hand the country over to Trump now, there is no enthusiasm whatsoever for Bloomberg. What is with you boomers who think the Democrats keep needing to move right despite center-right Clinton completely blowing what should have been an easy election last time? It's important to keep the Democrats the party of PC outrage rather than trying to hold on to its working class base that they are in extreme danger of losing to the GOP?

[baseline bum]

Who can look at 2016 and think "durr the establishment Democrats are on the right track."

[hater]

Cuban public school system is >>> american its not even close.

Bernie is 1000% correct

jot to mention Cuban medical system is also top notch

I heard Cubans already have a good Cornavirus antiviral that China is adopting

[picnroll]

Wow Bloomberg? Might as well just hand the country over to Trump now, there is no enthusiasm whatsoever for Bloomberg. What is with you boomers who think the Democrats keep needing to move right despite center-right Clinton completely blowing what should have been an easy election last time? It's important to keep the Democrats the party of PC outrage rather than trying to hold on to its working class base that they are in extreme danger of losing to the GOP?

I recognize Bloomberg isn’t going anywhere.

I recognize Bloomberg isn’t going anywhereAnd has proven a failure.

Will shall see. My bet is post-election bros will be whining endlessly about how ignorant centrists cost them the presidency AND the house AND the senate. Bet?

[Will Hunting]

I personally think he’ll follow through on his platform. Just my opinion. At this point he’s most interested in his legacy.
What does Bernie have after his name now, an I or a D. Why the fuck isn’t he honest and running as an independent?
At this point he’s most interested in avoiding a wealth tax, which is why he entered the race right after Sanders and Warren started talking about one.

You’d rather Bernie run as an independent and siphon votes away from the Democratic candidate? That’s pretty retarded. Bernie running as a 3rd party would guarantee a Trump victory. Bernie is actually doing the right thing by running as a Democrat so his name doesn’t appear on the ballot unless the primary voters support him.

Its also an intellectually dishonest comparison. Bernie has an I next to his name but has always voted with the Dems in the senate and his only difference is he’s further to the left than them. Bloomberg disagrees with the Dems on most issues except for things like his gun control pet project. Bloomberg is ideologically a moderate Republican.

[Will Hunting]

I recognize Bloomberg isn’t going anywhere.

I recognize Bloomberg isn’t going anywhereAnd has proven a failure.

Will shall see. My bet is post-election bros will be whining endlessly about how ignorant centrists cost them the presidency AND the house AND the senate. Bet?
More projecting. The boomer moderates like you were the ones complaining after 2016 about how Bernie Bros and muh Russia cost Clinton the election.

[Will Hunting]

Wow Bloomberg? Might as well just hand the country over to Trump now, there is no enthusiasm whatsoever for Bloomberg. What is with you boomers who think the Democrats keep needing to move right despite center-right Clinton completely blowing what should have been an easy election last time? It's important to keep the Democrats the party of PC outrage rather than trying to hold on to its working class base that they are in extreme danger of losing to the GOP?
They make some horseshit argument about how Hillary was demonized as a far left socialist so she doesn’t really count as a moderate even though that argument proves our point — no matter who the Dems nominate Sean Hannity will convince his viewers that person is a socialist, thus the idea that we can cast a wide net with a moderate is flawed.

If Fox News can convince 40% of America that Hillary fucking Clinton is a socialist then it can do the same with pretty much anyone who has a D next to his/her name.

[DarrinS]

You guys know that republicans are voting for Bernie in primaries, right? :lol

[Will Hunting]

You guys know that republicans are voting for Bernie in primaries, right? :lol
Democrats voted for Reagan in the 1980 primaries and Trump in the 2016 primaries. The fact you think that’s some kind of smoking gun is retarded.

Republicans assume everyone in America has the same views they have so the assume everyone will be as scared of a Sanders presidency as they are. That’s why the my think Biden and Bloomer are amazing candidates.

[hater]

:lmao

yQBMg47Mmkg

“im michael bloomber, fuck you”. :lol

[baseline bum]

You guys know that republicans are voting for Bernie in primaries, right? :lol

You guys voted for Obama over Clinton in the 2008 primaries when Limbaugh told you to also.

[baseline bum]

Democrats voted for Reagan in the 1980 primaries and Trump in the 2016 primaries. The fact you think that’s some kind of smoking gun is retarded.

Republicans assume everyone in America has the same views they have so the assume everyone will be as scared of a Sanders presidency as they are. That’s why the my think Biden and Bloomer are amazing candidates.

Don't forget when Republicans voted Obama over Clinton in 2008.

[hater]

You guys voted for Obama over Clinton in the 2008 primaries when Limbaugh told you to also.

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

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Carlson’s coverage of the 2020 primary has been surprisingly good imo...he was dead on when he said the debate wasn’t going to do anything for Warren.

:lmao calling Warren “mistress Warren” to imply Bloomer is into BDSM.

[DarrinS]

You guys voted for Obama over Clinton in the 2008 primaries when Limbaugh told you to also.


Don't forget when Republicans voted Obama over Clinton in 2008.


Not in Texas. Might want to Google that.

[baseline bum]

Not in Texas. Might want to Google that.

Seems like Rush flip flopped later in the primary. But CNN's exit polling had Republicans picking Obama 53 / 46 over Clinton in the Texas primary.

[Spurminator]

No way in hell Republicans are voting against Trump. He has a 90%+ favoribility among them.

Among those willing to still call themselves Republicans for polling purposes, yes, his approval rating is historically high.

[pgardn]

Trump probably did that on purpose to get a reaction out of her. I mean everything he’d done up to that point had been unorthodox anyway. I was just surprised that he was able to get so many sound bites against her and catch her in so many gotcha moments.

I thought exactly the opposite.
he was horrible

But he won the election despite my perceived middle school name calling debate tactics.
I now get that the tactics were exactly what his staunchest supporters wanted.
(Which is why Spurtunculus is addressed as an incel who loves the sex lives of men stories.
He understands this type of communication.)

[spurraider21]

i know i'm missing something, so can somebody fill me in as to how pete gets delegates despite falling short of the 15% threshold?

https://i.gyazo.com/3d18b58b19113a2aaebbb2afe1129c67.png

[spurraider21]

ah, as i've read up, the caucus system is different than primaries. the 15% rule is applied on a district by district basis in a caucus, as opposed to state-wide as in a primary

[Reck]

Sanders complimented Cuban education, Obama did the same five years ago and shook Raul Castro's hand, I guess we're all still confused about whether he's an actual commie, right?

I guess is a good thing Bernie already got elected president and shouldn’t worry about blowback so you’re right of course.

[Reck]

He’ll have it staged with soft ball questions that he knows are coming...not a chance he opens himself up to the risk of insurgents showing up with gotcha questions.

He canceled the town hall. :lol

Smartest move he could make.

[spurraider21]

there's going to be a debate tomorrow... and you can bet that following nevada, everybody is going to come out, guns blazing to take a shot at sanders. and they will have some material to work with given the 60 minutes interview.

makes sense for bloomberg to stay out of the spotlight until everybody has a chance to lay into sanders

will be interesting to see how sanders responds to the onslaught

[Reck]

there's going to be a debate tomorrow... and you can bet that following nevada, everybody is going to come out, guns blazing to take a shot at sanders. and they will have some material to work with given the 60 minutes interview.

makes sense for bloomberg to stay out of the spotlight until everybody has a chance to lay into sanders

will be interesting to see how sanders responds to the onslaught

Bernie will take Bloomberg's spot on tonight's town hall so it will come up tonight. He can put the comment to bed with a throughout response and a complete rebuke without bringing up "the good part about x."

[ElNono]

The country is like 30% dems, 30% republican, and 40% independent. It's quite a gamble to hope that the majority of those independents will vote for the most leftist dem candidate in history. That's why centrist dems (what few remain) are freaking out.

I think it's closer to 35% dems, 25% republicans and 40% independents... that's why democrats generally have the upper hand in the federal popular vote...

However, about half of that 40% very likely leans one way or another. I would put truly independents closer to the 20% (and they can still decide elections).

[ElNono]

Mark my words. If Sanders is the candidate, there will be massive turnout in people 45+ against him.

You can bump this later.

Hopefully a lot of them die before the election, tbh

[Will Hunting]

ah, as i've read up, the caucus system is different than primaries. the 15% rule is applied on a district by district basis in a caucus, as opposed to state-wide as in a primary
15% rule is applied district by district in primaries too....there are certain delegates allocated statewide and delegates allocated to each district.

[hater]

:lmao read it and weep idiot rightwing so called demoshits :lol

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1231809944921477120?s=20

[Will Hunting]

:lmao read it and weep idiot rightwing so called demoshits :lol

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1231809944921477120?s=20
I don’t disagree with you but Bernie needs to be cognizant of the double standard he’s going to face because he labels himself as a socialist and the risk of that turning into smear attacks where he’s labeled as a commie. He’s being a stubborn old man by refusing to let go of the literacy thing when he needs to be a politician who’s willing to ignore history in exchange for votes.

Also, it wouldn’t have mattered given how much of a landslide the election was but you can bet that had Obama said this during his 2008 campaign the “Muslim from Kenya!” crowd would have been all over it and taking it out of context to label Obama a communist. It’s a little different to say it during the final year of your 2nd term.

[boutons_deux]

"he’s going to face because he labels himself as a socialist and the risk of that turning into smear attacks where he’s labeled as a commie. "

so Bernie should let the hateful, bad-faith, LYING, slandering Repug/rightwinghatemedia/Trash, playing to American ignorance, determine who he is?

[Will Hunting]

"he’s going to face because he labels himself as a socialist and the risk of that turning into smear attacks where he’s labeled as a commie. "

so Bernie should let the hateful, bad-faith, LYING, slandering Repug/rightwinghatemedia/Trash, playing to American ignorance, determine who he is?



No he shouldn’t but when he makes these comments it’s what he’s doing. Don’t give them ammunition that they can misconstrue and take out of context.

[hater]

what do you want bernie to do apologize? that will play straight inyo rightwingnuts hands

he needs to double down. needs to remind everyone Obama did even further. tyats it and thats all

he already has enraged establishment and mainstream media. hes smart and knows theres no changing that no matter what he does. he just needs to rely that americans will support him same way we supported Obama in his candidacy

[hater]

i remember very well my rightwing friends called Obama a communist back in 2008 and said USA would go bankrupt after his presidency :lmao

this is the same exact thing rightwingnuts are doing now

the ONLY advantage Obama had back then is he was black and young thats it

if you close your eyes Bernie sounds like an Obama on steroids :tu thats what this country needs

[boutons_deux]

No he shouldn’t but when he makes these comments it’s what he’s doing. Don’t give them ammunition that they can misconstrue and take out of context.

misconstrue, take out of context, lie, slander, insults, politics of persona destruction, infinite bad faith is what Repugs ALWAYS deliver to any opponent, no matter what they say.

[boutons_deux]

Bernie will never penetrate the 42% stupid, ignorant, low-wage, low-ed motherfuckers who still support criminal Trash and his mafiya.