2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

[Will Hunting]

what do you want bernie to do apologize? that will play straight inyo rightwingnuts hands

he needs to double down. needs to remind everyone Obama did even further. tyats it and thats all

he already has enraged establishment and mainstream media. hes smart and knows theres no changing that no matter what he does. he just needs to rely that americans will support him same way we supported Obama in his candidacy
Definitely don’t apologize at this point but just let it die and stop bringing it up.

[hater]

Definitely don’t apologize at this point but just let it die and stop bringing it up.

you dont think this will be brought up in the debate?

[Trill Clinton]

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of universal healthcare and cancelling student loan debt, but I never hear a peep about the government sending BILLIONS of dollars to foreign countries???

[Will Hunting]

you dont think this will be brought up in the debate?
It will be and when it is he should simply say he condemns authoritarian dictatorships and leave it at that.

I agree with him about Castro’s literacy program but he gains nothing by continuing to bring it up.

[hater]

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of universal healthcare and cancelling student loan debt, but I never hear a peep about the government sending BILLIONS of dollars to foreign countries???

amen :tu

but the answer is easy. Military Industrial complex makes a killing on ripping off US.

they would not be able to make a killing by providing health insurance and education

[picnroll]

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of universal healthcare and cancelling student loan debt, but I never hear a peep about the government sending BILLIONS of dollars to foreign countries???
Since I sacrificed, saved to pay for most of my kids’ educations you think Bernie can pay off my home mortgage and car payments too?

[hater]

It will be and when it is he should simply say he condemns authoritarian dictatorships and leave it at that.

I agree with him about Castro’s literacy program but he gains nothing by continuing to bring it up.

you domt think hes gonna get pushed on it if he simply condemns it and would that not be backtracking

tonight he will do both tbqh. condem it and praise it and he will get same blockback as if he had done anything else

[picnroll]

you domt think hes gonna get pushed on it if he simply condemns it and would that not be backtracking

tonight he will do both tbqh. condem it and praise it and he will get same blockback as if he had done anything else

I hear the Chinese have a great re-education program for the Uighurs. Wonder if Bernie knows how much of the Cuban education was to get them onboard with a murderous, oppressive regime?

[Trill Clinton]

Since I sacrificed, saved to pay for most of my kids’ educations you think Bernie can pay off my home mortgage and car payments too?

I believe Obama had a homeowner relief stimulus or something like that when he was in office that I'm sure you took advantage of if you were eligible. I can't help you with ya car, fam. Are you okay with billions of our dollars going to help countries like Afghanistan and Israel versus your fellow Americans?

[hater]

I hear the Chinese have a great re-education program for the Uighurs. Wonder if Bernie knows how much of the Cuban education was to get them onboard with a murderous, oppressive regime?

we had a great education programs for our native americans tbqh

we educated ourselves by experimenting on them

our prison systems are also filled with our own version of Uighurs... minority kids who were caught dealing drugs to survive

[picnroll]

I believe Obama had a homeowner relief stimulus or something like that when he was in office that I'm sure you took advantage of if you were eligible. I can't help you with ya car, fam. Are you okay with billions of our dollars going to help countries like Afghanistan and Israel versus your fellow Americans?
I didn’t qualify but Bernie wants to cancel the entire $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt for 45 million borrowers. Why should I have to qualify for my free house?

[hater]

I believe Obama had a homeowner relief stimulus or something like that when he was in office that I'm sure you took advantage of if you were eligible. I can't help you with ya car, fam. Are you okay with billions of our dollars going to help countries like Afghanistan and Israel versus your fellow Americans?

well our govmt is bleeding billions to help that failed company Tesla tbqh

thats sort of like helping us get cars?

[Trainwreck2100]

Since I sacrificed, saved to pay for most of my kids’ educations you think Bernie can pay off my home mortgage and car payments too?

looks like you made a bad investment then

[Trill Clinton]

I didn’t qualify but Bernie wants to cancel the entire $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt for 45 million borrowers. Why should I have to qualify for my free house?

You should write a letter to your congressman to ask for a bill forgiving mortgage debt. As for myself, the cancelled student loan debt would free up a nice chunk that my wife and I can put toward paying off our home quicker or investing in our businesses.

[picnroll]

we had a great education programs for our native americans tbqh

we educated ourselves by experimenting on them

our prison systems are also filled with our own version of Uighurs... minority kids who were caught dealing drugs to survive

So you’re cool with Bernie praising a repressive education system then.
Swing and a miss hate man. :rollin

[Spurs Homer]

I didn’t qualify but Bernie wants to cancel the entire $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt for 45 million borrowers. Why should I have to qualify for my free house?


after the last republican - gw bush - destroyed our economy with wars and halliburton profits-

obama had to make a choice and a tough one;

get the country out of that hole - so he threw a few crumbs to poor people and those 8k checks to first time homeowners were really helpful- as those people were able to buy their first house and spent the 8k at home depot and on contractors and put that 8k back into the struggling economy and brought back our economy-

however- obama - as part of that choice-

had to also bail out the criminal corporate wall street bankers - and they got off completely scott free and took the biggest chunk of that handout


bernie is just saying- “now it is time for poor and middle class to get that handout - and those wall street criminals are going to pay for it with a tax”


fair is fair


go ask wall street to give back what you lost 12 years ago and stop bitching at the poor and middle class for trying to get a piece of the pie for once

[DarrinS]

You should write a letter to your congressman to ask for a bill forgiving mortgage debt. As for myself, the cancelled student loan debt would free up a nice chunk that my wife and I can put toward paying off our home quicker or investing in our businesses.


It's never gonna happen, bro. Sorry. :cry

[hater]

So you’re cool with Bernie praising a repressive education system then.
Swing and a miss hate man. :rollin

we praise Greek government and they had slavery :lmao

of course its ok in my book :tu

cuba has great education and healthcare

most south american right wing puppet regimes would dream of healthcare as that

[Spurminator]

This is just like how conservatives complain about voucher programs because they had to put their kids through private school at full price (oh wait, that complaint never comes up)

[spurraider21]

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[CosmicCowboy]

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of universal healthcare and cancelling student loan debt, but I never hear a peep about the government sending BILLIONS of dollars to foreign countries???

Because 47 billion is a tiny fraction of the trillions it will cost for Universal healthcare and cancelling student debt.

[florige]

what do you want bernie to do apologize? that will play straight inyo rightwingnuts hands

he needs to double down. needs to remind everyone Obama did even further. tyats it and thats all

he already has enraged establishment and mainstream media. hes smart and knows theres no changing that no matter what he does. he just needs to rely that americans will support him same way we supported Obama in his candidacy



The worst thing he could do is apologize. He would look weak doing that and the right wing nut jobs would be all over it.

[hater]

Because 47 billion is a tiny fraction of the trillions it will cost for Universal healthcare and cancelling student debt.

our military budget is about 1 trillion per year tbqh

we can easily cut that in half and that would give us 500 billiona year. that would be a good start

[CosmicCowboy]

our military budget is about 1 trillion per year tbqh

we can easily cut that in half and that would give us 500 billiona year. that would be a good start

I'm fine with that.

[baseline bum]

Can't wait to see Boomerberg bring up Castro and get China thrown back in his face at this debate.

[boutons_deux]

I didn’t qualify but Bernie wants to cancel the entire $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt for 45 million borrowers. Why should I have to qualify for my free house?

rising housing costs, beyond inflation, are just another way Capitalists are extracting wealth.

Don't want to be homeless? Pay the Capitalists exorbitant rent, or interest for decades.

[hater]

I'm fine with that.

:tu

[CosmicCowboy]

rising housing costs, beyond inflation, are just another way Capitalists are extracting wealth.

Don't want to be homeless? Pay the Capitalists exorbitant rent, or interest for decades.

Or do like Boutons who lives with his mama in her smokey singlewide.

[Will Hunting]

It's never gonna happen, bro. Sorry. :cry
Brilliant campaign strategy though. It’ll never happen but it’s going to drive millennial turnout and if he’s elected he can just blame Republicans 4 years from now when it doesn’t happen.

Its more or less Sanders’ version of the wall the Mexico is going to pay for.

[picnroll]

rising housing costs, beyond inflation, are just another way Capitalists are extracting wealth.

Don't want to be homeless? Pay the Capitalists exorbitant rent, or interest for decades.
Free healthcare, free education, free housing, free beer, free sex. Give it to us all Bernie. :hungry:

[DarrinS]

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[spurraider21]

you just noticed this? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

you just noticed this? :lolSomeone else noticed and "emailed" it to Darrin.

[Will Hunting]

Seriously Darrin, you didn’t notice Buttplug desperately trying to be the gay version of Obama until just now?

[CosmicCowboy]

You should write a letter to your congressman to ask for a bill forgiving mortgage debt. As for myself, the cancelled student loan debt would free up a nice chunk that my wife and I can put toward paying off our home quicker or investing in our businesses.

You can pay down your student loans with your reparations check.

[Trill Clinton]

You can pay down your student loans with your reparations check.

fingers crossed i gets whats due

[monosylab1k]

Someone else noticed and "emailed" it to Darrin.

Shared it with him on facebook most likely :lol

[spurraider21]

biden's polling numbers have been holding up leading to the SC primary.

SC has 54 pledged delegates... good opportunity to gain ground. right now biden is 30 delegates behind sanders, and only 10 behind pete. while the actual delegate count at this stage, mathematically, doesn't mean much in a race with over 3900 delegates to be had, the narrative/momentum would be big just days before super tuesday

biden isn't leading in many super tuesday polls, but he's within margin of error in some big states like texas and north carolina

[baseline bum]

Free healthcare, free education, free housing, free beer, free sex. Give it to us all Bernie. :hungry:

The only person offering free shit is Trump with free tax cuts for the rich.

[spurraider21]

its funny how much perspective shapes things...

right now, increasing taxes on the rich to provide healthcare for all is seen as an attack on the rich

if we started from a more humane system where everybody had healthcare, and taxes on the rich were a few points higher... and then some candidate said "we need to take away healthcare coverage, open up a private market, and cut taxes on the rich", it would be perceived as an attack on everybody else

[DarrinS]

its funny how much perspective shapes things...

right now, increasing taxes on the rich to provide healthcare for all is seen as an attack on the rich

if we started from a more humane system where everybody had healthcare, and taxes on the rich were a few points higher... and then some candidate said "we need to take away healthcare coverage, open up a private market, and cut taxes on the rich", it would be perceived as an attack on everybody else


It's not just the rich that would have higher taxes.

[DarrinS]

Shared it with him on facebook most likely :lol


I have never had a Facebook account

[Spurtacular]

Not seeing any future presidents there, tbh.

https://am14.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/02/bloomberg-debate.jpg

[spurraider21]

It's not just the rich that would have higher taxes.
true. everyone making more than 29k would pay a 4% medicare tax on that income, in the place of paying more than that for premiums... let alone deductibles, copays, and out of pocket expenses. for the working class and just about all of the middle class (depending on what percentile you use), its still a net gain

[DarrinS]

true. everyone making more than 29k would pay a 4% medicare tax on that income, in the place of paying more than that for premiums... let alone deductibles, copays, and out of pocket expenses. for the working class and just about all of the middle class (depending on what percentile you use), its still a net gain


I guess we know where that $15 minimum wage figure came from. :lol

[spurraider21]

I guess we know where that $15 minimum wage figure came from. :lol
yeah, because somebody who works for $15/hr for 40 hours in 52 weeks will earn a whopping 31,200 and be gorged out of a whole 88 dollars in medicare tax (4% of the 2,200 they earned in excess of 29K) in exchange for also having healthcare

that sly bernie... pretending people on minimum wage get a raise when they have to pay $88 dollars a year for comprehensive healthcare

[RandomGuy]

When it comes to money, millennials do have some of the highest student loan debt rates of any generation in history. The average millennial has $30,000 in student loans.
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/14611/average-net-worth-millennials/

I don't think many, e.g. Darrin, etc fully grasp the economic reality of anyone under 40. Late-stage capitalism isn't doing them any favors. When your net worth at 22 starts off massively negative... that arc follows you for your entire life.

[RandomGuy]

yeah, because somebody who works for $15/hr for 40 hours in 52 weeks will earn a whopping 31,200 and be gorged out of a whole 88 dollars in medicare tax (4% of the 2,200 they earned in excess of 29K) in exchange for also having healthcare

that sly bernie... pretending people on minimum wage get a raise when they have to pay $88 dollars a year for comprehensive healthcare

But, but, but our current system of begging on GoFundMe for enough money to pay medical bills is working out so well...

GoFundMe CEO: One-Third of Site's Donations Are to Cover Medical Costs
https://time.com/5516037/gofundme-medical-bills-one-third-ceo/

[RandomGuy]

and our Dear Leader Trump has an ironclad plan to fix health care cost inflation, I'm sure. He just hasn't told us yet what that is after 3 years. It's sooper seekrit.


In 2016, healthcare spending reached $3.3 trillion, about 18 percent of GDP. The sector is also the biggest employer in the country with about 11 percent of the workforce, or 16 million people, but the economic benefits that come along with that output also have a “high price tag,” according to Moody’s.

Costs are anticipated to keep rising about 5.5 percent annually on average over the next decade as the U.S. population ages, CMS estimates, posing “a challenge for the U.S. government, households and businesses,” the analysis reads. Despite this, the U.S. isn’t faring any better when it comes to key measures of population health, such as life expectancy and infant mortality rates.

The magical free market will solve this all by itself to make everybody better off, amiright?

[monosylab1k]

I have never had a Facebook account

So your idiotic sense of humor is all natural? I thought for sure you were just regurgitating boomer facebook memes.

Or is Chump right and you still do e-mail chains? :lmao

[monosylab1k]

Not seeing any future presidents there, tbh.

https://am14.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/02/bloomberg-debate.jpg

No future presidents getting shot into your tube socks, either.

[CosmicCowboy]

yeah, because somebody who works for $15/hr for 40 hours in 52 weeks will earn a whopping 31,200 and be gorged out of a whole 88 dollars in medicare tax (4% of the 2,200 they earned in excess of 29K) in exchange for also having healthcare

that sly bernie... pretending people on minimum wage get a raise when they have to pay $88 dollars a year for comprehensive healthcare

Medicare as it exists today only pays 80% of procedures and no drugs. Are you claiming Bernies plan will pay 100%?

[DarrinS]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/


Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.



:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Not seeing any future presidents there, tbh.


No future presidents getting shot into your tube socks, either.

https://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/horse-kicked.gif

:lol that's gonna leave a mark.

[DarrinS]

https://thecollegeinvestor.com/14611/average-net-worth-millennials/

I don't think many, e.g. Darrin, etc fully grasp the economic reality of anyone under 40. Late-stage capitalism isn't doing them any favors. When your net worth at 22 starts off massively negative... that arc follows you for your entire life.


I had over 30K in debt when I was in my 20's (and that's in early 90's dollars). I just lived frugally and paid it off.

[RandomGuy]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/


Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.


:lmao

Maybe he will use tax revenues to buy light bulbs for you.

[spurraider21]

Medicare as it exists today only pays 80% of procedures and no drugs. Are you claiming Bernies plan will pay 100%?
yes, that's what his plan says

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/


Key Points

Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
No networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays, no surprise bills.
Medicare coverage will be expanded and improved to include: include dental, hearing, vision, and home- and community-based long-term care, in-patient and out-patient services, mental health and substance abuse treatment, reproductive and maternity care, prescription drugs, and more.
Stop the pharmaceutical industry from ripping off the American people by making sure that no one in America pays over $200 a year for the medicine they need by capping what Americans pay for prescription drugs under Medicare for All.

[RandomGuy]

https://thecollegeinvestor.com/14611/average-net-worth-millennials/

I don't think many, e.g. Darrin, etc fully grasp the economic reality of anyone under 40. Late-stage capitalism isn't doing them any favors. When your net worth at 22 starts off massively negative... that arc follows you for your entire life.


I had over 30K in debt when I was in my 20's (and that's in early 90's dollars). I just lived frugally and paid it off.

(nods) Good for you. Well-meant and freely given.

Now:
How much wealthier would you be without having had that debt to start with?

and:
The 90's were a good time to be able to pay off debt, with a better economy. Wages, relative to the cost of say, healthcare, were much better and the economy was growing a lot faster than it is now. That fact that you point this out, as if your circumstances mirror that of a 20 year old today, proves my point.

[spurraider21]

that some people endured struggles in the past doesn't justify ignoring those issues going forward

[RandomGuy]

that some people endured struggles in the past doesn't justify ignoring those issues going forward

Fucking A, this.

"I survived getting mauled by a wilderbeast when I was in my 20's, and you can too".

We owe it to those who come after us to make things better, IMO. My children take a dim view of my fathers climate change denial, and I apologize to them for my generation not doing much more than his.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/1232729779050340352?s=21

[ducks]

Yes things were so good when 44 was president
44 wanted to take credit of 45 because USA is better off

Also 61 highest ever pulled thing economy is great and except it to be better
Sanders is the stupid one that said last night look at the economy and see if you are happy !

[monosylab1k]

that some people endured struggles in the past doesn't justify ignoring those issues going forward

It’s mind boggling, the asshole mentality it takes to think “I had it shitty, so everyone else should have it shitty too, or it’s not fair!” :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It’s mind boggling, the asshole mentality it takes to think “I had it shitty, so everyone else should have it shitty too, or it’s not fair!” :lolDarrin also thinks that folks should get beaten up by black dudes because he did.

[spurraider21]

It’s mind boggling, the asshole mentality it takes to think “I had it shitty, so everyone else should have it shitty too, or it’s not fair!” :lol
i remember all the women that opposed the right to vote because their moms weren't able to

[Spurtacular]

https://i1.wp.com/knuckledraggin.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/horse-kicked.gif

:lol that's gonna leave a mark.

Better than what's shot into your mom.

Cue randomCuck with horse kick gif.

mic drop

[Spurs Homer]

Not seeing any future presidents there, tbh.

https://am14.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2020/02/bloomberg-debate.jpg


He is the 4th from the right -

and the 4th from the left -



you are welcome!

[Will Hunting]

It’s mind boggling, the asshole mentality it takes to think “I had it shitty, so everyone else should have it shitty too, or it’s not fair!” :lol
Usually it’s sanctimonious boomers who grossly overstate how tough they had it in order to justify dealing millennials a much shittier hand than boomers were dealt.

”I put myself through college, you should too!” (Even though college tuition was only $300 a semester when boomers went to college so it’s a completely different proposition now)

[DarrinS]

i remember all the women that opposed the right to vote because their moms weren't able to


This is a terrible analogy

[RandomGuy]

Cuck

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Usually it’s sanctimonious boomers who grossly overstate how tough they had it in order to justify dealing millennials a much shittier hand than boomers were dealt.

”I put myself through college, you should too!” (Even though college tuition was only $300 a semester when boomers went to college so it’s a completely different proposition now)

I had to explain this to my 75 year old father who said "why are these kids taking out all this debt, why don't they just get summer jobs to pay for it, like I did"

I looked up the cost for the state college in missouri, then figured out how many hours you would have to work at $10 per hour for 12 weeks to earn enough to go to a year.

Hours required:

176 per week.

Hours in one week:

168.

Pay rate required to earn enough to attend college in 12 weeks at full time:
$42.74

I then asked him what sane person would bother going to college if they were already earning $42/hr.

Hardest thing for people as they get older is to realize that the world changes.

[RandomGuy]

Yes things were so good when 44 was president
44 wanted to take credit of 45 because USA is better off

Also 61 highest ever pulled thing economy is great and except it to be better
Sanders is the stupid one that said last night look at the economy and see if you are happy !

https://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/holy-gibberish.jpg

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

:lol You're the one who announced other guys were plowing your wife.

[Spurtacular]

He is the 4th from the right -

and the 4th from the left -



you are welcome!

I'd bookmark that to laugh at you later; but let's be honest, you're pretty forgettable in the final analysis.

[RandomGuy]

:lol You're the one who announced other guys were plowing your wife.

:lmao

nope.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

nope.

She stopped posting right after she realized you were Blake level. :lmao

[DMC]

I had to explain this to my 75 year old father who said "why are these kids taking out all this debt, why don't they just get summer jobs to pay for it, like I did"

I looked up the cost for the state college in missouri, then figured out how many hours you would have to work at $10 per hour for 12 weeks to earn enough to go to a year.

Hours required:

176 per week.

Hours in one week:

168.

Pay rate required to earn enough to attend college in 12 weeks at full time:
$42.74

I then asked him what sane person would bother going to college if they were already earning $42/hr.

Hardest thing for people as they get older is to realize that the world changes.
There aren't a lot of 4 year degrees that will net you a 40 dollars an hour job in the 1st place. You'd be better to go the technical school route if that's your goal, and pay a small fraction of the cost at the expense of not having a Greek fraternity symbol tattooed on your hip.

[DMC]

that some people endured struggles in the past doesn't justify ignoring those issues going forward

It's not that simple of course.

Ignoring issues? No. Ignoring people with unrealistic ideals about how to deal with them? Sure.

[RandomGuy]

She stopped posting right after she realized you were Blake level. :lmao

still nope

more try-hard, fail-hard, from someone who will probably die alone and unloved. I genuinely pity you.

[RandomGuy]

There aren't a lot of 4 year degrees that will net you a 40 dollars an hour job in the 1st place. You'd be better to go the technical school route if that's your goal, and pay a small fraction of the cost at the expense of not having a Greek fraternity symbol tattooed on your hip.

Boomers are aging out of the trades in record numbers. Getting into a trade at 18, and starting to earn a paycheck right away, with full pay in about 3 years makes a lot of sense financially.

[spurraider21]

It's not that simple of course.

Ignoring issues? No. Ignoring people with unrealistic ideals about how to deal with them? Sure.
yeah, ignoring. what proposals are there from any conservative political figure to address student loan debt?

none. its just that people should pay what they signed up for because my generation had to

[DMC]

Boomers are aging out of the trades in record numbers. Getting into a trade at 18, and starting to earn a paycheck right away, with full pay in about 3 years makes a lot of sense financially.

3 years is a bit aggressive.

[DMC]

yeah, ignoring. what proposals are there from any conservative political figure to address student loan debt?

none. its just that people should pay what they signed up for because my generation had to

Having no proposal is cheaper than having a faulty one.

[spurraider21]

Having no proposal is cheaper than having a faulty one.
you might agree that "no proposal" aka ignoring the issue is the way to go.

it's still ignoring the issue

[Spurtacular]

still nope

more try-hard, fail-hard, from someone who will probably die alone and unloved. I genuinely pity you.

You got so mad when she announced you were a cuck that you begged her to stop posting. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

you might agree that "no proposal" aka ignoring the issue is the way to go.

it's still ignoring the issue

Still better than making it infinitely worse.

[RandomGuy]

3 years is a bit aggressive.

Three was what the head of the local union said. Seen 3 and 4 online. Even so, earning a solid paycheck for that period of time, puts the option ahead of a lot of college degrees that require masters+ to be profitable on a net present value basis.

Those three or four years of income at the beginning of a working life make a pretty big difference when comparing outcomes over the long term.

[RandomGuy]

cuck

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

Having no proposal is cheaper than having a faulty one.

deepity

Having no proposal is more expensive than a faulty one.

whee. evidence-less assertions are so much fun. I can see why that is all you do.

Now what?

[spurraider21]

Still better than making it infinitely worse.
lifting massive debt off people's backs so they can purchase homes, have kids, stimulate the economy is making it infinitely worse? i disagree. but we can agree to disagree.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

You keep laughing at yourself.

[Spurtacular]

lifting massive debt off people's backs so they can purchase homes, have kids, stimulate the economy is making it infinitely worse? i disagree. but we can agree to disagree.

Maybe people accumulating mass debt that can't pay it off aren't the people who should be having kids.

[spurraider21]

Maybe people accumulating mass debt that can't pay it off aren't the people who should be having kids.
except the specific category of people we are talking about are those who are got degrees in order to get jobs and become productive members of society, including doctors, who on average finish school 200k in debt.

[Spurtacular]

except the specific category of people we are talking about are those who are got degrees in order to get jobs and become productive members of society, including doctors, who on average finish school 200k in debt.

What kind of doctor can't pay off 200k in debt?

[Reck]

You keep laughing at yourself.

Not really.

You think Blake is 95% of the posters here. You're obssessed.

[spurraider21]

What kind of doctor can't pay off 200k in debt?
eventually? sure.

but after getting out of medical school, they are doing at least 3 years of residency, where the average pay is about 60k per year. and those 3 years are a bare minimum. those who want to specialize do more. on the high end, for example, neurosurgeons do 7 years of residency. so including undergrad, medical school, and residency, you're looking at 15 years of accruing debt/interest before you're able to make enough money to begin hacking away at it around the same time of your life that you'd already have had kids and are spending a lot of money on child care

beyond the medical field, you have attorneys, engineers, mba's, science PhD's, etc among those who go to grad schools. and then you also have huge groups who just get undergrad degrees. and yes, admittedly, there are some wasteful degrees in the humanities that dont have any practical benefit for work... and we do have an issue where too many jobs "require" college degrees that dont actually do shit to prepare you (some banks require loan officers to have a 4 year degree, for instance)

not everyone has the same projected income of a post-residency doctor.

[Spurtacular]

Not really.

You think Blake is 95% of the posters here. You're obssessed.

Blake is just his screen name and clambake (which is monoslob if I'm wrong). I was wrong about Snitch Factor, but that's more on him for being such a triggered bitch. :lol

As it is, you're plenty mad that you're yoked with blake. Call him out for being the bitch he is instead of manstrating so much, tranny, if you don't like it.

[Spurtacular]

eventually? sure.

but after getting out of medical school, they are doing at least 3 years of residency, where the average pay is about 60k per year. and those 3 years are a bare minimum. those who want to specialize do more. on the high end, for example, neurosurgeons do 7 years of residency. so including undergrad, medical school, and residency, you're looking at 15 years of accruing debt/interest before you're able to make enough money to begin hacking away at it around the same time of your life that you'd already have had kids and are spending a lot of money on child care

beyond the medical field, you have attorneys, engineers, mba's, science PhD's, etc among those who go to grad schools. and then you also have huge groups who just get undergrad degrees. and yes, admittedly, there are some wasteful degrees in the humanities that dont have any practical benefit for work... and we do have an issue where too many jobs "require" college degrees that dont actually do shit to prepare you (some banks require loan officers to have a 4 year degree, for instance)

not everyone has the same projected income of a post-residency doctor.

That's a case for debt delays and not debt forgiveness. I'm not gong to cry about giving free money to millionaires.

[Reck]

Blake is just his screen name and clambake (which is monoslob if I'm wrong). I was wrong about Snitch Factor, but that's more on him for being such a triggered bitch. :lol

As it is, you're plenty mad that you're yoked with blake. Call him out for being the bitch he is instead of manstrating so much, tranny, if you don't like it.

Why are you always quantifying posts here? I'm not dependent on what Blake does here and I sure as hell know he isn't with me. Everyone does their own thing.

You seem to believe because you're a mama's boy that everyone else is, too. That basement trapped air is fucking you up.

[Spurtacular]

Why are you always quantifying posts here? I'm not dependent on what Blake does here and I sure as hell know he isn't with me. Everyone does their own thing.

You seem to believe because you're a mama's boy that everyone else is, too. That basement trapped air is fucking you up.

Sucks to be yoked with blake. Rise above it, tranny.

[spurraider21]

That's a case for debt delays and not debt forgiveness. I'm not gong to cry about giving free money to millionaires.
unless it's called a tax break :lol...

and this assumes that everybody with student debt is a millionaire, which isn't the case

[vy65]

Why do we charge interest on student loans? That doesn’t make sense to me.

[Spurtacular]

unless it's called a tax break :lol...

and this assumes that everybody with student debt is a millionaire, which isn't the case

Well, if you want to equate those issues, then you should be against debt forgiveness for doctors.

[Will Hunting]

Why do we charge interest on student loans? That doesn’t make sense to me.
Rather than completely wipe student loans a much more realistic campaign platform would be for Sanders to wipe all accrued interest and eliminate interest payments.

[spurraider21]

Why do we charge interest on student loans? That doesn’t make sense to me.
because its not always the government who gives the loans, its private lenders who want to make a buck

[vy65]

Rather than completely wipe student loans a much more realistic campaign platform would be for Sanders to wipe all accrued interest and eliminate interest payments.

Would be exponentially more palatable and pragmatic and still a massive help to a fuckton of people.

[vy65]

because its not always the government who gives the loans, its private lenders who want to make a buck

Is vs ought is what I meant. The only interest should be pegged to CPI to adjust for inflation.

[Capt Bringdown]

1232587881455276033

[DMC]

Why do we charge interest on student loans? That doesn’t make sense to me.

I'd say because no one wants to earn zero dollars on risk.

[DMC]

unless it's called a tax break :lol...

and this assumes that everybody with student debt is a millionaire, which isn't the case

Taking less of someone's money doesn't equal giving that person money. The math might look that way, but the fact is you're still taking from them, and probably lot more than you're taking from someone making 100K.

[DMC]

Rather than completely wipe student loans a much more realistic campaign platform would be for Sanders to wipe all accrued interest and eliminate interest payments.

What's the goal?

I'm all for easing up on student loan payments, but let's start by reimbursing folks who paid theirs off already then we can move to those who haven't. This country is starting to reek of reward for failure to comply with laws/rules/contracts. You cross illegally, you get healthcare and amnesty (some here would be for that). Those here legally endure the process. You fail to pay your loan, it's forgiven. Others are out tens of thousands because they paid as agreed.

I am for free colleges, I don't think we get there from the foundation we have built though without disenfranchising those who worked to build it. Debt forgiveness just passes on the debt to someone else, it doesn't really forgive anything. If the Bernie crowd is so attracted to his platform, they should put their money where their mouth is. Corporations would bend to the will of the consumer if the consumer could insist on things like college tuition reimbursement or debt forgiveness from large corporations. A grass roots movement to boycott products from companies that don't offer tuition assistance to employees, or who won't take part in a program for college tuition in general would put economic pressure where it would be effective. Look at all the grass fed beef, free range chickens, green this or that, so forth.. All this wasn't out of the goodness of the companies' hearts.

The people have the power to make this happen. They just won't. Instead they'll try to elect someone who has zero shot at doing it with this congress.

[spurraider21]

Taking less of someone's money doesn't equal giving that person money. The math might look that way, but the fact is you're still taking from them, and probably lot more than you're taking from someone making 100K.
giving a taxpayer 10k and cutting a taxpayer's taxes by 10k is the same thing

[DMC]

giving a taxpayer 10k and cutting a taxpayer's taxes by 10k is the same thing

I already said the math looks that way but if I stole 20 dollars from you and returned 10, I cannot say I gave you 10 dollars. They start with X amount, you start with nothing. You take from them. Taking less from them doesn't equate to you giving them more. It equates to you taking less because you in fact gave them nothing since you had nothing to give.

Your logic is how congress proposes a 20% pay increase, settles on 10% and claims they took a 10% pay cut.

[Winehole23]

The Assyrian Kings purged debts periodically, to promote social stability. Jubilee is the Biblical term.

https://www.amazon.com/forgive-them-their-debts-Foreclosure/dp/3981826027

[DMC]

The Assyrian Kings purged debts periodically, to promote social stability. Jubilee is the Biblical term.

https://books.google.com/books/about/And_Forgive_Them_Their_Debts.html

Well there you go then.

[Winehole23]

Well there you go then.

Did you indulge your taste for reading by reading it, Sir?

[spurraider21]

I already said the math looks that way but if I stole 20 dollars from you and returned 10, I cannot say I gave you 10 dollars. They start with X amount, you start with nothing. You take from them. Taking less from them doesn't equate to you giving them more. It equates to you taking less because you in fact gave them nothing since you had nothing to give.

Your logic is how congress proposes a 20% pay increase, settles on 10% and claims they took a 10% pay cut.
If you equate taxation with theft, sure.

But if you owed me $20, it makes no difference if i relieve you of $10 of that debt or gift you $10

it just causes discomfort because you frown upon freeloaders getting benefits and don’t want to project that on yourself when you get a benefit by way or tax break

[Winehole23]

Well there you go then.
If indebtedness is out of balance, perverse outcomes come over the horizon and hasten to reach port.

[ElNono]

I already said the math looks that way but if I stole 20 dollars from you and returned 10, I cannot say I gave you 10 dollars. They start with X amount, you start with nothing. You take from them. Taking less from them doesn't equate to you giving them more. It equates to you taking less because you in fact gave them nothing since you had nothing to give.

Your logic is how congress proposes a 20% pay increase, settles on 10% and claims they took a 10% pay cut.

But the government isn't 'stealing' anything, it's taking what rightfully theirs... It's like having a business partnership where you get 50% and your partner 50%. If your partner decides to take only 40%, he/she is effectively giving you money.

[Winehole23]

Debt that cannot be paid, will not be paid.

Bad debt overhang needs reducing every 40 -50 years so the whole country doesn't wnd up in hock to lenders.

[Winehole23]

The TABC strictly regulates terms of credit to the customer. Limited in time so that the customer does not end up in the pocket of his creditor.

[boutons_deux]

whole country doesn't wnd up in hock to lenders.

debt slavery, 30% APR, it's Capital's strategy, along with $35B / year in bank overdraft fees.

[Trill Clinton]

1232741173313318913

[spurraider21]

biden's lead in the SC polls is growing... he's consolidating the buttigieg/klobuchar vote there quite a bit

[Will Hunting]

biden's lead in the SC polls is growing... he's consolidating the buttigieg/klobuchar vote there quite a bit
It’ll only grow more after that fat black congressman who all the “oh lawdy!” black bible thumpers in South Carolina follow endorsed him; I don’t think the polls have even reflected that yet.

Middle aged and older black Democrats are equally as low information as the votingrepublican.jpeg rednecks who Democrats like to make fun of so much.

[rjv]

biden's lead in the SC polls is growing... he's consolidating the buttigieg/klobuchar vote there quite a bit

i think SC has always been there for biden. the question is really how many delegates will he take home and will it impact super tuesday in any substantial manner? if biden still gets hammered on tuesday, SC is a moot victory.

[Thread]

biden's lead in the SC polls is growing... he's consolidating the buttigieg/klobuchar vote there quite a bit

Coupled with the Corona Crash, CNN/MSNBC ain't been this happy in quite a while.

[Will Hunting]

Coupled with the Corona Crash, CNN/MSNBC ain't been this happy in quite a while.
As long as Bloomer doesn’t ring.

[Thread]

As long as Bloomer doesn’t ring.

Well, (they) de-fibrillated Biden enough to be able to stash Bloom until needed again...in the interim (they'll) teach him how to act, debate, & get over. A respite for MSM, at least till Tuesday. (They're) in their wheel-house, & most importantly...(THEY) recognize it & hence, know it. They just have to make it last now.

[Reck]

i think SC has always been there for biden. the question is really how many delegates will he take home and will it impact super tuesday in any substantial manner? if biden still gets hammered on tuesday, SC is a moot victory.

It’ll make him more competitive in southern states which he was losing in or tied.

Bernie is still poised to come out looking pretty after Super Tuesday in California alone. It’s looking like he’ll get 300 delegates out of the 413.

[spurraider21]

recount accomplished nothing

14 delegates to pete
12 for sanders

https://kwwl.com/2020/02/27/iowa-democratic-party-announces-results-of-caucus-recount/

[DarrinS]

If the DNC denies Bernie, do you think there will be a riot in Milwaukee this summer?

[Will Hunting]

recount accomplished nothing

14 delegates to pete
12 for sanders

https://kwwl.com/2020/02/27/iowa-democratic-party-announces-results-of-caucus-recount/
It accomplished nothing but Jesus, 19 out of 23 precincts had changes to delegate allocation?

It’s a joke that two small state caucuses play such a huge role in primaries.

[Will Hunting]

If the DNC denies Bernie, do you think there will be a riot in Milwaukee this summer?
If he only wins by a plurality of <5% I don’t think so. You’ll have some butthurt BernieBros and I think it’d be political suicide in terms of trying to build solidarity around a candidate, but most people (me for instance) would get over it and vote for whoever won (unless it’s Bloomberg, if superdelegates tip the scales for Bloomer I think Dems will revolt no matter how small the pledged delegate gap was).

If Sanders has a plurality of >10% and the superdelegates deny him, you might as well burn it all down :lol

[Reck]

If the DNC denies Bernie, do you think there will be a riot in Milwaukee this summer?

We go through this every 4 years. Brokered convention comes up as often as Hillary will run for president again.

[Reck]

If he only wins by a plurality of <5% I don’t think so. You’ll have some butthurt BernieBros and I think it’d be political suicide in terms of trying to build solidarity around a candidate, but most people (me for instance) would get over it and vote for whoever won (unless it’s Bloomberg, if superdelegates tip the scales for Bloomer I think Dems will revolt no matter how small the pledged delegate gap was).

If Sanders has a plurality of >10% and the superdelegates deny him, you might as well burn it all down :lol

Bernie can probably run as a third party and have a small chance. With his already large following, a good chunk of common sense democrats would go along with him. I wouldn't vote for any chosen democrats if Bernie has a plurality then gets robbed. I'd probably be on board voting third party.

[DarrinS]

If he only wins by a plurality of <5% I don’t think so. You’ll have some butthurt BernieBros and I think it’d be political suicide in terms of trying to build solidarity around a candidate, but most people (me for instance) would get over it and vote for whoever won (unless it’s Bloomberg, if superdelegates tip the scales for Bloomer I think Dems will revolt no matter how small the pledged delegate gap was).

If Sanders has a plurality of >10% and the superdelegates deny him, you might as well burn it all down :lol


Well, hopefully that won't happen.

[spurraider21]

If he only wins by a plurality of <5% I don’t think so. You’ll have some butthurt BernieBros and I think it’d be political suicide in terms of trying to build solidarity around a candidate, but most people (me for instance) would get over it and vote for whoever won (unless it’s Bloomberg, if superdelegates tip the scales for Bloomer I think Dems will revolt no matter how small the pledged delegate gap was).

If Sanders has a plurality of >10% and the superdelegates deny him, you might as well burn it all down :lol
yeah, i dont see why somebody with a razor-thin plurality should be declared the winner when the rules call for a majority. if you have a 35-30-20-etc... its not a very strong argument that even the leader reflects the "will of the people"... you would only be able to figure that out if everybody used ranked choice voting (which they should).

but if the leader has 43% and the next person has 25% or something, it would be absurd to flip that over its head. youd have to assume that the lower vote-getter would be getting an 80-20 split of the remaining votes, which is absurd

[picnroll]

Bernie can probably run as a third party and have a small chance. With his already large following, a good chunk of common sense democrats would go along with him. I wouldn't vote for any chosen democrats if Bernie has a plurality then gets robbed. I'd probably be on board voting third party.
The delusional capability of bros is truly remarkable. It’s Bernie, AOC and the pack and bros. Undercard dems are running from Bernie like he’s teeming with Coronavirus.

[spurraider21]

Bernie can probably run as a third party and have a small chance. With his already large following, a good chunk of common sense democrats would go along with him. I wouldn't vote for any chosen democrats if Bernie has a plurality then gets robbed. I'd probably be on board voting third party.
no

3rd party bernie runs means trump is president

[Will Hunting]

yeah, i dont see why somebody with a razor-thin plurality should be declared the winner when the rules call for a majority. if you have a 35-30-20-etc... its not a very strong argument that even the leader reflects the "will of the people"... you would only be able to figure that out if everybody used ranked choice voting (which they should).

but if the leader has 43% and the next person has 25% or something, it would be absurd to flip that over its head. youd have to assume that the lower vote-getter would be getting an 80-20 split of the remaining votes, which is absurd
I do think though that in the 25-30-20 scenario the party will need to tread lightly. If they have the mindset of “Oh well Bernie didn’t win in a complete landslide so it’s time to screw him and completely ditch his platform!” (which they seem to have) there might not be a full on revolt but a big chunk of Bernie voters will stay home. They need to have some kind of compromise in mind that’s better than 2016 (a bunch of meaningless platitudes from Hillary Clinton). I’m thinking Warren might be staying in the race despite having no path to victory and no money because she’s the compromise candidate who comes out on top in a brokered convention.

[Winehole23]

recount accomplished nothing

14 delegates to pete
12 for sanders

https://kwwl.com/2020/02/27/iowa-democratic-party-announces-results-of-caucus-recount/How'd the NV recount go?

[Winehole23]

Mayo Pete needs to get over 15%

[baseline bum]

I do think though that in the 25-30-20 scenario the party will need to tread lightly. If they have the mindset of “Oh well Bernie didn’t win in a complete landslide so it’s time to screw him and completely ditch his platform!” (which they seem to have) there might not be a full on revolt but a big chunk of Bernie voters will stay home. They need to have some kind of compromise in mind that’s better than 2016 (a bunch of meaningless platitudes from Hillary Clinton). I’m thinking Warren might be staying in the race despite having no path to victory and no money because she’s the compromise candidate who comes out on top in a brokered convention.

I don't know, I'm starting to think Warren is still there to try to pledge her delegates to Sanders at the convention in exchange for possibly the VP or a cabinet position. She keeps doing Bernie's dirty work at the debates going after Bloomberg.

[Reck]

no

3rd party bernie runs means trump is president

I said small chance. Perot pulled in nearly 20% and he didn't have near the support Bernie does.

We'll lose, sure but that's going to happen regardless say a Bloomberg type gets it. who knows, maybe a third party can form as an alternative to the Democrats.

[Reck]

I don't know, I'm starting to think Warren is still there to try to pledge her delegates to Sanders at the convention in exchange for possibly the VP or a cabinet position. She keeps doing Bernie's dirty work at the debates going after Bloomberg.

For what it's worth..

https://theweek.com/speedreads/889087/bernie-sanders-says-potential-running-mate-not-old-white-guy

[spurraider21]

I said small chance. Perot pulled in nearly 20% and he didn't have near the support Bernie does.

We'll lose, sure but that's going to happen regardless say a Bloomberg type gets it. who knows, maybe a third party can form as an alternative to the Democrats.
0% chance imho

[DarrinS]

Bernie can probably run as a third party and have a small chance. With his already large following, a good chunk of common sense democrats would go along with him. I wouldn't vote for any chosen democrats if Bernie has a plurality then gets robbed. I'd probably be on board voting third party.

3rd party candidates siphon votes and hurt one of the two party candidates.

[Chinook]

I think what hurt Sanders the most is that the old system had superdelegates who pledged their support for a candidate go into the count as if they were regular pledge delegates. That made it to where candidates could start off with huge disadvantages if the establishment didn't like them going in. By pure numbers, Sanders lost. But it's not clear that he'd've lost some of those contests had Clinton not had the front-runner status helping her. According to this random article from CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/democratic-superdelegate-math-sanders-clinton/index.html) in May 2016, Clinton held a nearly 500-point lead over Sanders in terms of superdelegates. That was more than 60 percent of her lead at the time, and it represented a nearly insurmountable advantage. It was clear at that point that she was gonna get elected no matter what Sanders did, so what was the point in even voting for him?

Wikipedia said this about the June contests:


On June 6, both the Associated Press and NBC News reported that Clinton had sufficient support from pledged and unpledged delegates to become the presumptive Democratic nominee.[123] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_ note-131) Clinton's campaign seemed reluctant to accept the mantle of "presumptive nominee" before all the voting was concluded,[124] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_ note-132) while Sanders' campaign stated it would continue to run and accused the media of a "rush to judgement."[125] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_ note-133) Six states held their primaries on June 7. Clinton won in California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Democratic_primary,_2016), New Jersey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Democratic_primary,_2016), New Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_Democratic_primary,_2016) and South Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_Democratic_primary,_2016). Sanders won Montana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Democratic_primary,_2016) and North Dakota (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_Democratic_caucuses,_2016), the latter being the only caucus contest held on that day.[126] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_ note-NYT_2016-06-07-134) Clinton finally declared victory on the evening of June 7, as the results ensured that she had won a majority of the pledged delegates and the popular vote.[126] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#cite_ note-NYT_2016-06-07-134)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

I'm not saying that Clinton would not have won without superdelegates, but I think them mattering and being able to commit early help reify the sense of inevitability that her campaign had been trying to instill in voters.

[Spurtacular]

I'm not saying that Clinton would not have won without superdelegates, but I think them mattering and being able to commit early help reify the sense of inevitability that her campaign had been trying to instill in voters.

She would've probably lost IMO w/o superdelegate system. People like to say she won by 3 million votes or whatever; but the truth is that with the writing on the wall people stayed away while others just wanted to support the presumptive nominee as a show of solidarity. Over and over, Bernie would have better showings and Hillary's delegate count would get the headlines. It's a submission system. It did what it was designed to do.

[Reck]

She would've probably lost IMO w/o superdelegate system. People like to say she won by 3 million votes or whatever; but the truth is that with the writing on the wall people stayed away while others just wanted to support the presumptive nominee as a show of solidarity. Over and over, Bernie would have better showings and Hillary's delegate count would get the headlines. It's a submission system. It did what it was designed to do.

So wrong as usual. :lol

[Spurtacular]

So wrong as usual. :lol

:lol #StillWithHer

[Reck]

:lol #StillWithHer

Huh? You made a whopper of a lie and I pointed out how wrong you were. The truth picks no sides.

Tell me how I’m wrong though derp

[Spurtacular]

Huh? You made a whopper of a lie and I pointed out how wrong you were. The truth picks no sides.

Tell me how I’m wrong though derp

Bernie won two of six states on the last main primary day and was very competitive in California even when Hillary was clearly going to be the nominee. This despite that people typicaly want to support the winner slash show support against the other party's nominee. And at one point, Bernie won eight straight states despite being way down thanks to super delegates. I wouldn't discount all the ballot box stuffing and technological engineering fake votes either. I frankly doubt that Hillary was ever more popular than Bernie (except in the very beginning). She was embroiled in so much scandal; it defies logic to think that.

[Reck]

Bernie won two of six states on the last main primary day and was very competitive in California even when Hillary was clearly going to be the nominee. This despite that people typicaly want to support the winner slash show support against the other party's nominee. And at one point, Bernie won eight straight states despite being way down thanks to super delegates. I wouldn't discount all the ballot box stuffing and technological engineering fake votes either. I frankly doubt that Hillary was ever more popular than Bernie (except in the very beginning). She was embroiled in so much scandal; it defies logic to think that.

What is this diatribe? How does someone who wins 11 more states than you “probably” loses the nomination?

Super delegates have nothing to do with how a candidate does on a primary. They don’t even have a say until the convention so how is it you think they helped Hillary win primaries?

Bernie winning however many states at the end doesn’t change the fact she outperformed him in every way.

[Spurtacular]

What is this diatribe? How does someone who wins 11 more states than you “probably” loses the nomination?

Super delegates have nothing to do with how a candidate does on a primary. They don’t even have a say until the convention so how is it you think they helped Hillary win primaries?

Bernie winning however many states at the end doesn’t change the fact she outperformed him in every way.

Only eleven more despite full system backing and delegate momentum the entire time thanks to super delegates? You obviously don't know how the human psyche works. People vote for winners. People are tribal. If people voted on principle we wouldn't have a two-party system, numb nuts.

[Reck]

Only eleven more despite full system backing and delegate momentum the entire time thanks to super delegates? You obviously don't know how the human psyche works. People vote for winners. People are tribal. If people voted on principle we wouldn't have a two-party system, numb nuts.

:lol derp

Before Bernie went on to win those states back to back, she had already accumulated an insurmountable pledged delegate lead. All the super delegates did was add to her huge lead anyways.

Not that it matters because Bernie himself gave her all his earned delegates at the convention. What are you even trying to argue here?

[Spurtacular]

:lol derp

Before Bernie went on to win those states back to back, she had already accumulated an insurmountable pledged delegate lead. All the super delegates did was add to her huge lead anyways.

Not that it matters because Bernie himself gave her all his earned delegates at the convention. What are you even trying to argue here?

Yea, Hillary had a huge insurmountable lead and eight states in a row voted for Bernie because we all know people love to vote for losers. Do you hear yourself, tranny? People knew Hillary was a bag of sh**.

[Ball Buster]

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1233227927904497674?s=21

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1233227927904497674?s=21
for a guy who hates all these crazy conspiracies, how do you feel about iowa recount not changing the results and buttigieg still winning?

[Spurtacular]

Yea, Hillary had a huge insurmountable lead and eight states in a row voted for Bernie because we all know people love to vote for losers. Do you hear yourself, tranny? People knew Hillary was a bag of sh**.

:lmao Kill Shot

https://media3.giphy.com/media/26njOpwQA3TBAkkXC/giphy.gif

[Spurs Homer]

:lmao Kill Shot

https://media3.giphy.com/media/26njOpwQA3TBAkkXC/giphy.gif

Serious question?

Whose pic is that that you display 24/7?

Why do you have a pic of a man?

Just sayin..

[Reck]

Sp derp is killing himself?

[Ball Buster]

for a guy who hates all these crazy conspiracies, how do you feel about iowa recount not changing the results and buttigieg still winning?

You saw how they faked the coin tosses, and handed delegates to Mayor Pete, right?

I’m disappointed to see how the DNC learned nothing from 2016, and are still trying to rig the primaries in favor of establishment candidates. Regardless of political affiliation, everyone should be concerned with their non-interest in a functioning democracy.

[Spurtacular]

Sp derp is killing himself?

Tranny humor is so bad. :lol

[Reck]

Tranny humor is so bad. :lol

Just wondering because your math is as bad as Qchris.

[Spurtacular]

Just wondering because your math is as bad as Qchris.

Blanket outs. Yea, you need that.

[Reck]

Blanket outs. Yea, you need that.

?

[Spurtacular]

?

The math is what it is. The presumptive presumptive nominee doesn't lose eight states in a row / barely win California / still losing states at the end if she's a real winner.

[Reck]

The math is what it is. The presumptive presumptive nominee doesn't lose eight states in a row / barely win California / still losing states at the end if she's a real winner.

Barely

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/primaries/california

:lol

[Spurtacular]

Barely

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/primaries/california

:lol

Seven percent is nothing for a formality vote. A real winner would've won by twenty plus easy.

The signs were there, tranny. You still haven't accepted reality. :lol

[Reck]

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

65 plus percent as a show of solidarity would've went to a candidate that wasn't a fucking psycho cheater. Come to terms. People were protest voting instead.

[Reck]

Trump asking republicans to vote for Bernie in SC today. It’d be funny if that actually works and Biden loses it. What would be more funny still is if Bernie gets the nomination my money is on Bernie beating him.

[Will Hunting]

Trump asking republicans to vote for Bernie in SC today. It’d be funny if that actually works and Biden loses it. What would be more funny still is if Bernie gets the nomination my money is on Bernie beating him.
I think if Bernie comes within 5% of Biden today it’s a win for him, so it’d be funny if the Trumpers even help get him to that point.

[florige]

Trump asking republicans to vote for Bernie in SC today. It’d be funny if that actually works and Biden loses it. What would be more funny still is if Bernie gets the nomination my money is on Bernie beating him.


Trump is def playing with fire hoping that Bernie will be the nominee against him.

[Spurtacular]

Trump is def playing with fire hoping that Bernie will be the nominee against him.

Not really. People over 35 aren't going to vote for free everything. You see it in the reticence of the Chumpettes here, who are Grade A snowflake never Trumpers in their own right.

[picnroll]

Not really. People over 35 aren't going to vote for free everything. You see it in the reticence of the Chumpettes here, who are Grade A snowflake never Trumpers in their own right.

Basically it comes down to how many leftist voters will stay home if Biden/Bloomberg/Buttigieg type supporters get the nomination vs how many centrist voters stay home if Bernie gets it. I don’t like Sanders in the least but I’ll vote for him because I know he won’t be able to get hardly any of his shit through congress unless he's willing to make major compromises.

[Spurtacular]

Basically it comes down to how many leftist voters will stay home if Biden/Bloomberg/Buttigieg type supporters get the nomination vs how many centrist voters stay home if Bernie gets it. I don’t like Sanders in the least but I’ll vote for him because I know he won’t be able to get hardly any of his shit through congress unless he's willing to make major compromises.

How many moderate Dems are going to straight-up vote for Trump? He won a lot of them to beat Hillary. He'll win a ton more to beat Bernie.

The media loves their fake polls about how Bernie is the best to beat Trump because they're always persuading America to move left. The problem is too many people have bought that lie now; and a big bitch slapping is about to take place. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

How many moderate Dems are going to straight-up vote for Trump? He won a lot of them to beat Hillary. He'll win a ton more to beat Bernie.

The media loves their fake polls about how Bernie is the best to beat Trump because they're always persuading America to move left. The problem is too many people have bought that lie now; and a big bitch slapping is about to take place. :lmao
You’re seriously saying the media is trying to push Sanders?

[Will Hunting]

We’ll see in a few hours, but I have a hunch Bernie fucked up by not putting more resources into keeping it close in South Carolina. He spent less than $1 million in ads and he’s not even campaigning in SC today. 72 hours of news coverage showing about a huge Biden win could change a lot on Super Tuesday.

[Spurtacular]

You’re seriously saying the media is trying to push Sanders?

I'm saying the media wrecklessly performs actions without considering the blowback.

[Reck]

We’ll see in a few hours, but I have a hunch Bernie fucked up by not putting more resources into keeping it close in South Carolina. He spent less than $1 million in ads and he’s not even campaigning in SC today. 72 hours of news coverage showing about a huge Biden win could change a lot on Super Tuesday.

I think he did his job to the most effect. But he couldn't account for Biden finding some life after the Nevada debate.

I think Bernie is looking good for Texas. Biden and Bloomberg are splitting the vote pretty badly among themselves. If Bernie wins California and Texas. Done deal.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao half the South Carolina primary voters say Clyburn’s endorsement was important or very important

:lmao black people cant think for themselves and need to follow their overlords

[Blake]

:lmao black people cant think for themselves and need to follow their overlords

Could say that about the Republican Congress

[hater]

https://twitter.com/drjai32/status/1233865579934687232?s=21

[benefactor]

Could say that about the Republican Congress
That's just politics. But most blacks and redneck whites are cut from the same cloth tbqh

[Reck]

:lmao half the South Carolina primary voters say Clyburn’s endorsement was important or very important

:lmao black people cant think for themselves and need to follow their overlords

Not surprising when you take into account the electorate here is the crowd of over 65+.

[Will Hunting]

Not surprising when you take into account the electorate here is the crowd of over 65+.
Yeah sorry this isn’t an age thing this is a black thing.

[Reck]

rofl I've just seen the first two voters in this cycle that are in the age range of 18-29 say they voted for Biden.

[spurraider21]

We’ll see in a few hours, but I have a hunch Bernie fucked up by not putting more resources into keeping it close in South Carolina. He spent less than $1 million in ads and he’s not even campaigning in SC today. 72 hours of news coverage showing about a huge Biden win could change a lot on Super Tuesday.
seems like he was just cutting his losses like biden did in new hampshire

[spurraider21]

is it just me or is are these questions retarded

https://i.gyazo.com/309278b364d066e9f1e2fac9461e94df.jpg

[Blake]

is it just me or is are these questions retarded

https://i.gyazo.com/309278b364d066e9f1e2fac9461e94df.jpg

Lol. It seems like a roundabout way of asking if you want to vote for Mikey or an actual Democrat

[spurraider21]

Lol. It seems like a roundabout way of asking if you want to vote for Mikey or an actual Democrat
assuming the people are sold that he can "beat trump"

but even taking out the dynamic of mikey, bernie, etc. its a retarded question.

[Will Hunting]

It’s stupid because there’s a lot of overlap between the two. I don’t think there are very many people who think “Well I agree with candidate X but my views are fucking retarded and would lose to Trump so I’m voting for the other guy!”

[SnakeBoy]

This is the dawning of the age of Joe Biden

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2015/962C27.gif

[Reck]

This is the dawning of the age of Joe Biden

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2015/962C27.gif

This gif is more of a Buttiegieg mood vibe tbh..

[SnakeBoy]

This gif is more of a Buttiegieg mood vibe tbh..

It's a throwback to when Joe had less hair

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.usFHay01bq-ZDz_l0x7s6AAAAA&pid=Api&rs=1

[boutons_deux]

exit polls saying Clyburn's endorsement helped Biden, who pushed hard for Clinton's reform (screwing) of blacks "on welfare as we know it", yet another strategic objective of conservative that Clinton implemented.

[Reck]

LMAO CNN projected Biden the win teh minute the clock turned 7. This means he's won it by at least 15 points.

[SnakeBoy]

Biden! Biden! Biden!

The party is saved :lol

[Reck]

Warren set to make it 3 contests in a row without a single delegate. Time to drop out and endorse Bernie.

[Will Hunting]

Exit polls have Biden in a landslide.

Wonder how quickly he’ll be able to get the other moderates to drop out.

[Reck]

Bernie supporters are insufferable. They're on twitter crying how the media just randomly called Biden the winner with 0 percent. IIRC Neveda called the race with like 5% for Bernie. Didn't see a soul complaining about it.

[Will Hunting]

Warren set to make it 3 contests in a row without a single delegate. Time to drop out and endorse Bernie.
Either that or she cuts a deal with Biden to fuck Bernie’s shit up.

[ElNono]

ugh, hopefully old Joe gets coronavirus asap, tbh... and this comment has nothing to do with Bernie, just Biden being another terrible candidate...

[Reck]

ugh, hopefully old Joe gets coronavirus asap, tbh... and this comment has nothing to do with Bernie, just Biden being another terrible candidate...

The calf tats approach. You've gotten really pathetic lately with the death wishing. First you had a meltdown on the Kobe thread when people were paying their respects and now you're death wishing here. Fuck happened to you..

[ElNono]

The calf tats approach. You've gotten really pathetic lately with the death wishing. First you had a meltdown on the Kobe thread when people were paying their respects and now you're death wishing here. Fuck happened to you..

Trolling mostly. I don't really care for Kobe or Joe. I do think Biden being the nominee pretty much guarantees 4 more years of Trump though.

[picnroll]

Bernie supporters are insufferable. They're on twitter crying ...

... and this surprises you?

[SnakeBoy]

I do think Biden being the nominee pretty much guarantees 4 more years of Trump though.

Well I'm rooting for Biden tbh

So that tells you what I think.

Might cross over for him in the general :lol

[picnroll]

Trolling mostly. I don't really care for Kobe or Joe. I do think Biden being the nominee pretty much guarantees 4 more years of Trump though.

If Biden gets the nomination will you vote for him or stay home?

[baseline bum]

Either that or she cuts a deal with Biden to fuck Bernie’s shit up.

So she can give him her 8 delegates? Warren sounded like she was auditioning to be Bernie's VP the way she has kept going at Bloomberg in the debates.

[ElNono]

Well I'm rooting for Biden tbh

So that tells you what I think.

Might cross over for him in the general :lol

I just can't think of anybody that's as close to Shillary as far as being out of touch, two-faced, and brings absolutely nothing to the table. He's the prototypical boring/senile establishment candidate.

[baseline bum]

Exit polls have Biden in a landslide.

Wonder how quickly he’ll be able to get the other moderates to drop out.

It would be dumb for him to do that since it makes Sanders getting a majority a lot more likely. Biden's best path is a brokered convention. Hell it's probably his only path since he hasn't done any Super Tuesday campaigning.

[baseline bum]

Well I'm rooting for Biden tbh

So that tells you what I think.

Might cross over for him in the general :lol

Oh fuck off turning on Elena like that.

[Reck]

Steyer is dangerously close to second place here.

[baseline bum]

The calf tats approach. You've gotten really pathetic lately with the death wishing. First you had a meltdown on the Kobe thread when people were paying their respects and now you're death wishing here. Fuck happened to you..

Huh? He's wishing for a 98% chance Biden stays alive. That's more than most of us are wanting tbh.

[ElNono]

If Biden gets the nomination will you vote for him or stay home?

I generally don't vote. We'll see this year. I didn't grow up in this country, so I'm not into the rah rah political party sports competition a good number of americans seems to be into, and I don't agree with the whole 'lesser of two evils' concept either.

If I'm even going to bother casting a vote, it has to be with conviction in the candidate, and I really don't like the field.

[baseline bum]

I generally don't vote. We'll see this year. I didn't grow up in this country, so I'm not into the rah rah political party sports competition a good number of americans seems to be into, and I don't agree with the whole 'lesser of two evils' concept either.

If I'm even going to bother casting a vote, it has to be with conviction in the candidate, and I really don't like the field.

What if Bernie offered free coyote services?

[SnakeBoy]

Oh fuck off turning on Elena like that.

Hoping for a Biden/Elena ticket.

[ElNono]

What if Bernie offered free coyote services?

Coyotes don't like Bernie, tbh... Open borders and free shit for illegal immigrants, really cuts right through their business...

[baseline bum]

Coyotes don't like Bernie, tbh... Open borders and free shit for illegal immigrants, really cuts right through their business...

No I mean we'd hire our own coyotes, put Americans to work in a great jobs program that we could call it River to Welfare.

[boutons_deux]

to break even in delegates tonight, Jolted Joe (15) needs to win 30 more than Bernie (45)

Bernie will romp on Super Tuesday, with CA 140 being the big prize.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trolling mostly. I don't really care for Kobe or Joe. I do think Biden being the nominee pretty much guarantees 4 more years of Trump though.

& Bernie doesn't?

The only Democrat with a legit shot at beating Trump this November is Mike Bloomberg.

[boutons_deux]

& Bernie doesn't?

The only Democrat with a legit shot at beating Trump this November is Mike Bloomberg.

The top 4 or 5 Dem wannabes ALL beat Trash, esp in the swing states.

Trash barely won in 2016, like 80K votes in 3 states total, and has been losing votes ever since.

Dems will comes out in the 10Ms just like in 2018.

[boutons_deux]

Bloomberg.

.... has ZERO delegates, won't be the nominee

[Reck]

.... has ZERO delegates, won't be the nominee

Also :lol "democrat"

[Reck]

Why is Tulsi still in this race and who is keeping the cash flowing into her "campaign?"

[ElNono]

& Bernie doesn't?

The only Democrat with a legit shot at beating Trump this November is Mike Bloomberg.

I don't know if Bernie would or not. I can see that working both ways, one one hand, getting the more liberal, youngsters and union-type to come out vote for him, on the other the older, boomers coming out to vote against muh-socialism.

I think all of them have a great shot at beating Trump, tbh, even Biden. I just don't see Biden driving out the vote.

[ElNono]

No I mean we'd hire our own coyotes, put Americans to work in a great jobs program that we could call it River to Welfare.

would love to see such a program just for the butthurt factor alone, tbh

[boutons_deux]

Looks like Joe will pickup less that 30 delegates, so will be going into Super Tue behind leader Bernie

[CosmicCowboy]

A brokered convention just became a lot more likely with that blowout.

[Reck]

Looks like Joe will pickup less that 30 delegates, so will be going into Super Tue behind leader Bernie

Where are you getting this? He's already been awarded 35 delegates and we're not done yet. But yes, I agree. Biden will still be behind Bernie by probably 10-15 delegates.

[Reck]

Tom Steyer will not even get 15%. 25 millions dollars wasted. lol

[SnakeBoy]

A brokered convention just became a lot more likely with that blowout.

Yeah it's really looking like the DNC screwed themselves with the rule changes. Will be fun to watch if it plays out the way it's looking.

[SnakeBoy]

Biden clearly has the best chance of turning South Carolina blue.

[boutons_deux]

If You Really Think Trump Is Favored in 2020, You Haven’t Thought It Through

If it looks to you like Trump is cruising to victory in November, then either you want it too badly, or you’re too afraid of it to see clearly. Consider this argument:



Trump squeaked out his victory in the Electoral College by the smallest (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/12/hillary-clinton-margin-loss-votes) of margins, despite losing the popular vote by a large amount. If he loses any voters from battleground states in 2020, he must make them up somewhere else, or he loses the election.
Trump was aided in 2016 by several highly unlikely events which will not be repeated in 2020 … suggesting he will lose voters compared to his first campaign.
Trump’s approval ratings have never been higher than when he was elected, suggesting he has lost people who voted for him the first time.
Democratic turnout will be higher in 2020 than it was in 2016.
Therefore Trump can’t make up the voters he has lost since 2016.
Therefore Trump will lose in 2020.


the Electoral College

Michigan: Trump is losing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_Stat es_presidential_election#Michigan) to all of the top five Democratic candidates, generally by significant margins.

Florida: Trump loses to Biden, beats Bloomberg, runs neck-and-neck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_Stat es_presidential_election#Florida) with Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg.

Pennsylvania: Trump loses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_Stat es_presidential_election#Pennsylvania) to Biden and Sanders, and is maybe slightly behind Warren. For Buttigieg and Bloomberg, there aren’t enough polls.

Wisconsin: Trump loses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_Stat es_presidential_election#Wisconsin) to Biden and Sanders, beats Buttigieg, and appears to be even with Warren, or slightly behind. Not enough polls for Klobuchar and Bloomberg.

Arizona: Trump won in 2016 by 3.6%. His approval rating is underwater by 1% — a swing of 4.6% toward the Democrats.

Georgia: Trump won it by 5% in 2016, but his approval rating now is even.

Iowa: Trump won it by 9.4% in 2016, but now his approval rating is underwater by 9%.

North Carolina: Trump won it in 2016 by 3.7%, but he’s down by 1% now.

Ohio: Trump won it by 8.1%, but he’s down by 1% now.

https://medium.com/the-national-discussion/if-you-really-think-trump-is-favored-in-2020-you-havent-thought-it-through-50516e2fc23f

[boutons_deux]

yep, Joe was -30

tonight he is +19,

so he's still -11 vs Bernie the leader going into Tuesday

Watch the press say how Bernie was wiped out, destroyed :lol

[Reck]

tom Steyer the real threat to this just ended his presidential bid. Who's gonna save us now?

[Spurtacular]

yep, Joe was -30

tonight he is +19,

so he's still -11 vs Bernie the leader going into Tuesday

Watch the press say how Bernie was wiped out, destroyed :lol

Black people do not like cucks.

[Reck]

yep, Joe was -30

tonight he is +19,

so he's still -11 vs Bernie the leader going into Tuesday

Watch the press say how Bernie was wiped out, destroyed :lol

32 delegates still unnasigned. Quit spinning. He did get destroyed.

A spade is a spade at the end of the night.

[Spurtacular]

Black people do not like cucks.


A spade is a spade at the end of the night.

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Biden has been +19 delegates for a long time, now 60% reporting

Bernie got beat, but the press will say he has lost the nomination.

[hater]

super tuesday will be huge tbqh

Bernie still leading everywhere

he takes most and he will be hard to stop

[baseline bum]

super tuesday will be huge tbqh

Bernie still leading everywhere

he takes most and he will be hard to stop

NY Times talked to 93 superdelegates and I think 85 wanted to steal it from Bernie.

[spurraider21]

Biden was expected to win but the margins are massive. Same thing happened in Nevada but this solidified him as the most viable moderate. He needed to widen the gap between Buttigieg and he did. Remaining wildcard is the Bloomberg effect.

[Pelicans78]

Everyone not named Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg should drop out.

[Blake]

Black people do not like cucks.

White derp speaking for all black people

[Spurtacular]

White derp speaking for all black people

When black people fuck your woman does that mean they like you?

[Spurtacular]

Everyone not named Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg should drop out.

What makes Bloomberg so special?