Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[Mr. Body]

i agree; i look at kai in the 1st round or even jericho sims in the 2nd and I see them doing things that Poeltl already does better. even if jones has more upside, how long does he take to develop?

Drew Eubanks is already far better than Kai Jones.

[Dejounte]

An example would be:

Having a #12 pick is like having $20k in hand to use on a new car or SUV, while already having a 2016 Camry and a 2016 RAV4. The vehicles available are a 2017 Camry and a 2017 RAV4. Your wife constantly complains about your 2016 RAV4. If you go for the 2017 RAV4, not only do you have a newer car but your wife is also satisfied.

On the other hand, having the #6 pick is like having $40k in hand and your options are a 2020 Camry and a 2020 RAV4. But wait, a 2021 Mercedes SUV has a special discount that became available to you for $40k. You don’t get that opportunity with only $20k in hand.

There are no 2021 Mercedes SUV’s coming down with a discount to $20k when you’re picking at #12.

[HankChinaski]

That explanation would have been more entertaining if it replaced cars with drugs or strippers.

[pad300]

An example would be:

Having a #12 pick is like having $20k in hand to use on a new car or SUV, while already having a 2016 Camry and a 2016 RAV4. The vehicles available are a 2017 Camry and a 2017 RAV4. Your wife constantly complains about your 2016 RAV4. If you go for the 2017 RAV4, not only do you have a newer car but your wife is also satisfied.

On the other hand, having the #6 pick is like having $40k in hand and your options are a 2020 Camry and a 2020 RAV4. But wait, a 2021 Mercedes SUV has a special discount that became available to you for $40k. You don’t get that opportunity with only $20k in hand.

There are no 2021 Mercedes SUV’s coming down with a discount to $20k when you’re picking at #12.

None to sure I believe that idea. The history does not support it. In the last 10 or so years, the names Kwitter (15), Giannis (15) and Jokic (41) come to mind. (Not to mention Mithchell and Booker at 13, Bam at 14, Gobert at 27 and Butler at 30). There is no guarantee a first option level player will be available, but there is definitely a chance.

[Dejounte]

None to sure I believe that idea. The history does not support it. In the last 10 or so years, the names Kwitter (15), Giannis (15) and Jokic (41) come to mind. (Not to mention Mithchell and Booker at 13, Bam at 14, Gobert at 27 and Butler at 30). There is no guarantee a first option level player will be available, but there is definitely a chance.

If you also look, there have been little to no star caliber point guards drafted past the #10 pick. In my earlier post, I said the talent level of the available wings at #12 usually surpasses the talent level of the available guards. From your list, there are no point guards listed. The guys in your list are the 2017 RAV4’s in my analogy— the vehicle you wisely spent your money on while also making your wife happy.

[pad300]

If you also look, there have been little to no star caliber point guards drafted past the #10 pick. In my earlier post, I said the talent level of the available wings at #12 usually surpasses the talent level of the available guards. From your list, there are no point guards listed. The guys in your list are the 2017 RAV4’s in my analogy— the vehicle you wisely spent your money on while also making your wife happy.

You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.

[Dejounte]

You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.
I don’t know what to say either. These are arbitrary cars that I chose. No one is literally getting the car. The point is, with the right decision, you can make your wife happy which is added value (which can lead to her cooking you breakfast or sexy time) than if you had chosen the other option.

Breakfast = High end role player
Sexy time = all-star
other option = marginally better player

[slick'81]

I don’t know what to say either. These are arbitrary cars that I chose. No one is literally getting the car. The point is, with the right decision, you can make your wife happy which is added value (which can lead to her cooking you breakfast or sexy time) than if you had chosen the other option.

Breakfast = High end role player
Sexy time = all-star
other option = marginally better player


:rollin

[slick'81]

Im definitely warming up to giddey. Sure that shooting touch needs work,but having a naturally tall&gifted playmaker opposite white couldn't hurt

[BatManu20]

Im definitely warming up to giddey. Sure that shooting touch needs work,but having a naturally tall&gifted playmaker opposite white couldn't hurt

Seen a couple mocks that have him going to New Orleans at 10. Would actually like that as it would push someone down to us, potentially Bouknight who is one of my pet cats.

[BatManu20]

Giddey’s weird hitch in his shot combined with the fact that he’s going to be a significant defensive liability (dude is going to get destroyed in the PnR imo) is why I’m not high on him. Hopefully another team reaches on him before we’re on the clock.

[Dejounte]

Seen a couple mocks that have him going to New Orleans at 10. Would actually like that as it would push someone down to us, potentially Bouknight who is one of my pet cats.

That would be an incredibly stupid, yet unsurprising move by New Orleans. They have no concept of roster building. You would hope they’ve learned by now to surround Zion with shooters.

[slick'81]

Giddey’s weird hitch in his shot combined with the fact that he’s going to be a significant defensive liability (dude is going to get destroyed in the PnR imo) is why I’m not high on him. Hopefully another team reaches on him before we’re on the clock.


An aggressive scorer wouldnt hurt for sure

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/podcast-scouting-the-draft-combine

Chad Ford Pod. w/ Jeremy Woo from SI.com

Discussed players who rose through scrimmages, testing etc.

Last 15 mins though, they talked about players who really helped themselves with combine interviews.

Names mentioned who did well in interviews:

Quentin Grimes, Trey Murphy, Scottie Barnes, Isaiah Todd (humility and realistic expectations cited), David Duke

Both agreed that Jalen Johnson had to excel in interviews as there are still a few questions there.
Unfortunately, while he didn't appear to do anything to damage his stock; he didn't help it enough. Teams were still left a little wondering.
Playing cards close to his vest - can be frustrating for GMs.

I'd say the Spurs chances of drafting JJ are unlikely.

https://i.imgur.com/gEsFxww.gif?noredirect

[BacktoBasics]

You're seriously arguing that picks that became actual league MVP's are used RAV4's, not 2021 Mercedes's... Don't know what to say here.

No one knew that at the time. He’s talking real market value. Today. No one knows who might be a sleeper all star 5 years from now.

[BackHome]

If your drafting Giddey then your expecting him to be the main ball handler since that what he does best I don’t know how the will work with Murray and White. Also I think he would work best with players who like to shoot the 3 ball or a rim runner big which we don’t have

[mo7888]

BPA takes on a different definition when you’re drafting at #12 unless a top projected pick falls into your lap. There are no guys expected at #12 who is really set apart from the others. Especially no point guards.

It’s very even at that point. And I’m saying that with a huge favoritism for Wagner, Moody, Giddey.

If we were picking at #6, your comment would be more applicable since there’s a chance a true BPA falls.

BPA is determined by the our FO. We aren't privy to it and I'm not speaking of general consensus, I'm strictly speaking of the FO view of who's BPA, not our opinions of BPA.

[Thomas82]

Kai Jones

+1

[Dejounte]

BPA is determined by the our FO. We aren't privy to it and I'm not speaking of general consensus, I'm strictly speaking of the FO view of who's BPA, not our opinions of BPA.

Fair enough. I’ll just say that it is extremely unlikely that the Spurs’ elite scouting can defy what’s been historically consistent, and that is why I think they’ll take the direction I expect them to. Could be wrong, but we have 30 days to find out.

[Dejounte]

mo7888

Ignoring the number of star caliber PG's drafted in the #10-#20 range (or lack thereof),

Teams generally avoid drafting PG's in that range.

Data set:

https://i.ibb.co/r3H6b8t/data-set.png

Counted each position:

https://i.ibb.co/whk9dqB/of-times.png

Pie graph:

https://i.ibb.co/BN7ZYXr/pie.png

The question we ask is, why do teams avoid drafting point guards and centers in that range?
https://ibb.co/XxQhWPj

[mo7888]

mo7888

Ignoring the number of star caliber PG's drafted in the #10-#20 range (or lack thereof),

Teams generally avoid drafting PG's in that range.

Data set:

https://i.ibb.co/r3H6b8t/data-set.png

Counted each position:

https://i.ibb.co/whk9dqB/of-times.png

Pie graph:

https://i.ibb.co/BN7ZYXr/pie.png

The question we ask is, why do teams avoid drafting point guards and centers in that range?
https://ibb.co/XxQhWPj

I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.

[slick'81]

I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.


True, especially if youre going position specific

[PhantomDashCam]

Sengun and Turkey just tipped off.

Sengun starting at the #4. Looks leaner. Moving well on D so far. Be huge for him if he can guard consistently on the perimeter.

Early days obviously….

[Dejounte]

I would posit that the answer to that question is there are very few elite PG's and C's in any draft so they go early.

Yup, which means it would be the wrong move to go after a PG in our range, regardless of if they were "BPA" or not. Best to gamble for a wing, when there has been an abundance of them that have turned into stars. I know you disagree, and that's okay.

And you stated that elite PG's and C's come from the top. You are correct. Teams choose PG's and C's at the top as a result.

Data set

https://i.ibb.co/BBQNtM2/data-set.png

Counted each position

https://i.ibb.co/CWTqSKd/table.png

Pie graph


https://i.ibb.co/bgbLLMp/v2.png

[mo7888]

Yup, which means it would be the wrong move to go after a PG in our range, regardless of if they were "BPA" or not. Best to gamble for a wing, when there has been an abundance of them that have turned into stars. I know you disagree, and that's okay.

And you stated that elite PG's and C's come from the top. You are correct. Teams choose PG's and C's at the top as a result.

Data set

https://i.ibb.co/BBQNtM2/data-set.png

Counted each position

https://i.ibb.co/CWTqSKd/table.png

Pie graph


https://i.ibb.co/bgbLLMp/v2.png

No it doesn't mean that at all... it means that you should trust your scouting. While the odds are low that a PG or C is the BPA at #12 if your scouting says he is then you pick him.

[ace3g]

Sengun and Turkey just tipped off.

Sengun starting at the #4. Looks leaner. Moving well on D so far. Be huge for him if he can guard consistently on the perimeter.

Early days obviously….

live stats: http://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/game/2306/Uruguay-Turkey#tab=overview

and game is on ESPN+

[Dejounte]

No it doesn't mean that at all... it means that you should trust your scouting. While the odds are low that a PG or C is the BPA at #12 if your scouting says he is then you pick him.

Different philosophies, I guess. I’d rather go all-in with an Ace and a King than two 3’s, but that’s just me. I think scouting will end up finding that there’s a more talented player at the positions I listed regardless of what we feel about how the Spurs should draft when it comes to BPA (more talent at the top, like you said), but we’re not in the war room with those scouts.

[PhantomDashCam]

The question we ask is, why do teams avoid drafting point guards and centers in that range?
https://ibb.co/XxQhWPj


The question I would ask is how many SG could be considered PGs or CGs, and how many of your PF could also be Cs or SF?

We’ve been trending to the idea of position-less basketball for at least 5 years.
If guys are only capable of playing one position, they are likely going to slide- unless they’re an outlier, all-star type consensus lock.

[Dejounte]

The question I would ask is how many SG could be considered PGs or CGs, and how many of your PF could also be Cs or SF?

We’ve been trending to the idea of position-less basketball for at least 5 years.
If guys are only capable of playing one position, they are likely going to slide- unless they’re an outlier, all-star type consensus lock.
I didn’t go by what they were listed at the time they were drafted. I checked what position they play now.

[mo7888]

Different philosophies, I guess. I’d rather go all-in with an Ace and a King than two 3’s, but that’s just me. I think scouting will end up finding that there’s a more talented player at the positions I listed regardless of what we feel about how the Spurs should draft when it comes to BPA (more talent at the top, like you said), but we’re not in the war room with those scouts.

That's true, we are both speculating on what the war room sees. You're basically arguing that a C or PG won't be BPA at #12 and I don't disagree that that will likely be the case. I'm just arguing that if the FO (war room) believes a PG or C is BPA at that point they should take him because we aren't good enough to draft for need or to draft to protect a player on the roster. We aren't that far apart on this I don't believe.

[Dejounte]

live stats: http://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/game/2306/Uruguay-Turkey#tab=overview

and game is on ESPN+

the only time outside of G league games where ESPN+ streaming is useful. Thanks, I will tune into it for the second half.

[Dejounte]

Draymond Green taking Jeremiah Earl Robinson under his wing. Workouts and everything. Doesn’t seem like anyone else is there. How happy I would be if we came away with both Duarte and JRE. That haul would be huge for the Spurs.

[John B]

https://www.nbabigboard.com/p/podcast-scouting-the-draft-combine

Chad Ford Pod. w/ Jeremy Woo from SI.com

Both agreed that Jalen Johnson had to excel in interviews as there are still a few questions there.
Unfortunately, while he didn't appear to do anything to damage his stock; he didn't help it enough. Teams were still left a little wondering.
Playing cards close to his vest - can be frustrating for GMs.

I'd say the Spurs chances of drafting JJ are unlikely.



Or possibly a promise already from a team?? My Spurs :downspin:

[Spursfanfromafar]

The more I look into these players and where they could be drafted, the more I think that Alperen Sengun is going to the guy drafted by the Spurs. For a 18 year old big, he is ultra-skilled in the low post and that is a huge huge sell, even in an era where bigs are played less at the post. He is definitely a star in the making. Depends on him to take his game to the modern era better. And the Spurs would be the best place for him to develop.

[rjv]

Sengun finished with 15 pts on 4/6 field goals and 7/8 free throws. He didn't attempt any threes. He also pulled 7 boards and dishes 4 assists. Basically, this game was a microcosm of his current skill set.

[ace3g]

Some highlights from the Turkish NT YouTube page

**Disregard, first video is vs Sweden.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ5YEuEi33o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vHNoI_Tig

[Dejounte]

Caught a little bit of the game. Alperen is totally an old school big. Reminded me of Jokic, the way he was persistent in backing down his man in the post. However, it sort of casts doubt for me that this is the direction the Spurs want to go. It would be a return to a style of basketball they were adamant on dropping as soon as they decided to move on from Aldridge. I have trouble imagining them restructuring once again and going back to a slow paced style of basketball. It would imply that the Spurs view Sengun’s talent as generational, if they do end up going this route.

[duncan2150]

Caught a little bit of the game. Alperen is totally an old school big. Reminded me of Jokic, the way he was persistent in backing down his man in the post. However, it sort of casts doubt for me that this is the direction the Spurs want to go. It would be a return to a style of basketball they were adamant on dropping as soon as they decided to move on from Aldridge. I have trouble imagining them restructuring once again and going back to a slow paced style of basketball. It would imply that the Spurs view Sengun’s talent as generational, if they do end up going this route.

I understand what you're talking about. Imo the Spurs will not take a player for his style of play, plus Sengun is playing more close to the basket than aldridge : they are different offensively.

Last year Spurs were not a team with a very good pace or who score a lot of Fastbreak points ( not bad either), Sengun will not change the game more than Poetl.

We'll see, your point is legit but as always they will go with the BPA....Sengun or another.

And as your talk about that, who will fit the system better ? and what's the spurs style of play last year and in the future, i think it's fuzzy.

[objective]

Might be repeating myself but Sengun seems like an 8 man rotation deep playoffs player to me.

Because he can get in the game off the bench and with his craft and skill will generate points. So few players now can get theirs in the playoffs. Anyone watching the series can see. Brook Lopez unable to punish the Nets, Landry Shamet able to stay on the court and not get posted and scored on. The Hawks able to play Young and Lou Williams at the same time. The Jazz completely unable to punish the small clippers. The Sun's unable to do the same without Ayton on the court.

Sengun will be able to walk smalls down and score. If he's doubled and people cut he'll find them. That's valuable. He reminds me a little of the 2014 Diaw but with more intent to score and less nimble feet on defense. He should be able to have a role on real contender, maybe it's only off the bench, but I think it will be real.

With the switching defenses and refs letting so much go on the clutching and grabbing and bumping, so many players can't score on their own and they can't get advantages to play their team game, so it's 3 point shooting and iso. Sengun should be able to thrive in that environment with his craft, touch and strength.

I think that has a place on the Spurs if they ever make the playoffs again.

[The Truth #6]

Might be repeating myself but Sengun seems like an 8 man rotation deep playoffs player to me.

Because he can get in the game off the bench and with his craft and skill will generate points. So few players now can get theirs in the playoffs. Anyone watching the series can see. Brook Lopez unable to punish the Nets, Landry Shamet able to stay on the court and not get posted and scored on. The Hawks able to play Young and Lou Williams at the same time. The Jazz completely unable to punish the small clippers. The Sun's unable to do the same without Ayton on the court.

Sengun will be able to walk smalls down and score. If he's doubled and people cut he'll find them. That's valuable. He reminds me a little of the 2014 Diaw but with more intent to score and less nimble feet on defense. He should be able to have a role on real contender, maybe it's only off the bench, but I think it will be real.

With the switching defenses and refs letting so much go on the clutching and grabbing and bumping, so many players can't score on their own and they can't get advantages to play their team game, so it's 3 point shooting and iso. Sengun should be able to thrive in that environment with his craft, touch and strength.

I think that has a place on the Spurs if they ever make the playoffs again.

Solid points.

Also, Spurs love to go against groupthink. Sengun definitely should find a role in the NBA. And if Sengun already changed his body, then to me that shows a great work ethic. It took Jokic like 5 years to lose his beer belly.

[PhantomDashCam]

I thought Sengun was solid today.

The Offense is legit - High IQ, great at sealing his man, requires a double in the post at all times, makes the right pass/read a high percentage of the time.

The defense though, huge question marks for me.

He has a really solid understanding of coverages and positioning but it just seems at times the body is unable to react quick enough to counter what is required.

He was half step slow on rim contests even though you could tell he was trying his hardest to arrive in time to alter shots.

Now this can certainly be improved upon in time. The big one though is he was flat footed on a few switches and his man got all the way to the rim and scored quite easily. Not sure if there were communication issues within the Turkey team or not.
But I can see NBA shot creators lining up to feast. This was against the #45th ranked team in the world too.
Something to keep an eye on.

Really impressed though that an 18 y.o got to close a hotly contested game in the 4th. They were clearly better with him on the floor.

I also wonder if he is a legit 6”10’.

[Dejounte]

I understand what you're talking about. Imo the Spurs will not take a player for his style of play, plus Sengun is playing more close to the basket than aldridge : they are different offensively.

Last year Spurs were not a team with a very good pace or who score a lot of Fastbreak points ( not bad either), Sengun will not change the game more than Poetl.

We'll see, your point is legit but as always they will go with the BPA....Sengun or another.

And as your talk about that, who will fit the system better ? and what's the spurs style of play last year and in the future, i think it's fuzzy.

I don't think Sengun plays like Aldridge, only that they are similar in how they both dribble in the post for a few seconds and decide whether to pass or score. Sengun plays more like Isaiah Stewart of last year, but not as strong and has more fundamentals. Daniel Oturu is someone similar to Aldridge, if we're talking about prospects.

They may not have been very good pace-wise, but they were trending that way after Aldridge was shut down. Not only pace, but more movement in the half-court set as opposed to all guys floating on the perimeter waiting for Aldridge to do his move (something they also do when DeMar does his ISO's). I think the Spurs are heading into a direction where there is more movement in the half-court set, more screens set, more off-ball manuevering, play-making from multiple ball-handlers, etc.

Players who will fit the projected system better (assuming they don't completely switch it up again): versatile players who can guard multiple positions, can handle the ball, pass, shoot. Perhaps more importantly, shot creation, which is lacking from everyone except Murray and a little bit of White. The lack of shot creation outside of those two and DeRozan is why they didn't have as much success as they should have, as well as the poor basketball IQ on all fronts from the team. There were losses this past year that could have been saved with better execution.

[Cardinal]

What do folks think about Sando Mamukelashvili as a 2nd round pick? Just stumbled across his pro day video: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1410284004620836873

I don't know how he projects on the defensive end, but he seems incredibly skilled and mobile on the offensive end for a player his size. I had not heard of him before today.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Caught a little bit of the game. Alperen is totally an old school big. Reminded me of Jokic, the way he was persistent in backing down his man in the post. However, it sort of casts doubt for me that this is the direction the Spurs want to go. It would be a return to a style of basketball they were adamant on dropping as soon as they decided to move on from Aldridge. I have trouble imagining them restructuring once again and going back to a slow paced style of basketball. It would imply that the Spurs view Sengun’s talent as generational, if they do end up going this route.

Yeah, but Sengun is doing this at 18 against older, stronger opponents which means that his game is way advanced for his age. And allows the Spurs to build his repertoire (three point shooting, passing from the post, defense etc) with such a strong base. Unlike getting a finished product and a star like LMA who was unwilling to change anything as the era changed around him.

[Degoat]

I feel like Charlotte and SAC are the only two teams that might take Sengun before us

[John B]

Yeah, but Sengun is doing this at 18 against older, stronger opponents which means that his game is way advanced for his age. And allows the Spurs to build his repertoire (three point shooting, passing from the post, defense etc) with such a strong base. Unlike getting a finished product and a star like LMA who was unwilling to change anything as the era changed around him.

I really like Sengun's style of basketball. I mean his bball IQ is just up there with his passing, court awareness, and he has great footwork in the paint and touches around the rim. He actually reminds me a lot of Timmy but shorter height and wingspan. I like him. But is he big and physical enough to play the PF/C in the NBA?

[TD 21]

I feel like Charlotte and SAC are the only two teams that might take Sengun before us

With their luck, that'll probably happen, he'll go on to become Sabonis 2.0 (it's fair to question how valuable this archetype is in the playoffs in this era, but for a team more concerned with being "competitive" than building a contender and in desperate need of offensive focal points, can they really afford to pass on a potential international one at that?) and they'll pick another undersized role player who can't shoot.

One time, I just want to see a pulse. If, as many of us expect, he's their target and he goes to either of those teams, try to trade up. Failing that or if they're not enamored with anyone at their pick, try to trade back.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1410300135259656207

[mo7888]

My personal updated BB from a few days ago.

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs
6. Franz Wagner
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Moses Moody
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Josh Giddey
11. James Bouknight
12. Keon Johnson
13. Kai Jones
14. Jalen Johnson
15. Corey Kispert
16. Chris Duarte
17. Trey Murphy
18. Jaden Springer
19. Tre Mann
20. Sharife Cooper
21. Davion Mitchell
22. Usman Garuba
23. JT Thor
24. Isaiah Jackson
25. Joshua Primo
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Joe Weiskamp
28. Roko Prkacin
29. Jared Butler
30. Zaire Williams

I'd really like to add another pick in the 20's..

[slick'81]

My personal updated BB from a few days ago.

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs
6. Franz Wagner
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Moses Moody
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Josh Giddey
11. James Bouknight
12. Keon Johnson
13. Kai Jones
14. Jalen Johnson
15. Corey Kispert
16. Chris Duarte
17. Trey Murphy
18. Jaden Springer
19. Tre Mann
20. Sharife Cooper
21. Davion Mitchell
22. Usman Garuba
23. JT Thor
24. Isaiah Jackson
25. Joshua Primo
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Joe Weiskamp
28. Roko Prkacin
29. Jared Butler
30. Zaire Williams

I'd really like to add another pick in the 20's..

No giddey,wagner,moody,bouknight or sengun for us.....depressing af

[rjv]

No giddey,wagner,moody,bouknight or sengun for us.....depressing af

if this held up (and it won't), i'd go with duarte or murphy (murphy will have really jumped if he goes at 16).

[Dejounte]

My personal updated BB from a few days ago.

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs
6. Franz Wagner
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Moses Moody
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Josh Giddey
11. James Bouknight
12. Keon Johnson
13. Kai Jones
14. Jalen Johnson
15. Corey Kispert
16. Chris Duarte
17. Trey Murphy
18. Jaden Springer
19. Tre Mann
20. Sharife Cooper
21. Davion Mitchell
22. Usman Garuba
23. JT Thor
24. Isaiah Jackson
25. Joshua Primo
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Joe Weiskamp
28. Roko Prkacin
29. Jared Butler
30. Zaire Williams

I'd really like to add another pick in the 20's..

Good list! I’m going to do my best to get you on the Duarte bandwagon :)

Big board
Tier 1
Wagner
Moody
Giddey


Tier 2
Duarte
Bouknight


Tier 3
Jalen Johnson
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Murphy III
Sengun


Tier 4
Kai Jones
Tre Mann
Usman Garuba


Tier 5
Corey Kispert
Keon Johnson
Jaden Springer

As with before, I’m satisfied with anyone from Tiers 1-4.

[itzsoweezee]

How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside

Not a Wagner fan, but the redundancies you are mentioning are the type most teams would want. Can’t have too much shooting, size, and solid defense

[Degoat]

Not a Wagner fan, but the redundancies you are mentioning are the type most teams would want. Can’t have too much shooting, size, and solid defense

I totally agree with that! You can never have to much size, shooting, def. I guess what I’m trying to say is there’s more pressing issues the spurs need to address imo. They need to find the best player at 12 that they can regardless of there position.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1410300135259656207

Think Moody would then have to be on their radar too.

[Dejounte]

I totally agree with that! You can never have to much size, shooting, def. I guess what I’m trying to say is there’s more pressing issues the spurs need to address imo. They need to find the best player at 12 that they can regardless of there position.

you don’t think Keldon at PF and giving Gay minutes was a big issue?

[LeBowen]

you don’t think Keldon at PF and giving Gay minutes was a big issue? Imo, it was a big issue. Instead of having Keldon bully smaller wings or even guards because a lot of teams have 3 guard lineups, he was used at 4 and had to waste so much energy dealing with way bigger players. I have to admit that I haven't followed this draft class at all, but unless we can get someone who's a guaranteed thing, I don't want anyone shorter than 6'8. Unless we trade away a couple of guards we already have.

[Dejounte]

IMO, I would dangle Luka for a #19 pick. I personally think teams would bite.

[mo7888]

Good list! I’m going to do my best to get you on the Duarte bandwagon :)

Big board
Tier 1
Wagner
Moody
Giddey


Tier 2
Duarte
Bouknight


Tier 3
Jalen Johnson
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Murphy III
Sengun


Tier 4
Kai Jones
Tre Mann
Usman Garuba


Tier 5
Corey Kispert
Keon Johnson
Jaden Springer

As with before, I’m satisfied with anyone from Tiers 1-4.

You may very well get me there on Duarte. He's risen alit for me personally over the last month. I'll even add that Duarte and Weiskamp have effectively lowered Kispert in my board at the same time. There's alot of value there getting a similar player at a lower draft point. Wieskamp's athletic testing moved him up considerably for me.

[mo7888]

No giddey,wagner,moody,bouknight or sengun for us.....depressing af

Keep in mind that this is my BB based on how I value players for the Spurs and its not a prediction of draft order. I fully expect Keon, Kispert, and Jones or Johnson to go before we pick and that'll knock 3 of those guys you mentioned into our range.

[Degoat]

you don’t think Keldon at PF and giving Gay minutes was a big issue?

Its tough to say but probably so… playing Gay was an issue in itself lmao spurs have so many needs that they could go in any direction! I just think they should find the guy who has the highest upside.

[Dejounte]

You may very well get me there on Duarte. He's risen alit for me personally over the last month. I'll even add that Duarte and Weiskamp have effectively lowered Kispert in my board at the same time. There's alot of value there getting a similar player at a lower draft point. Wieskamp's athletic testing moved him up considerably for me.

I’ll venture into saying that he will be one of the All-Stars of this class (if he lands with the right team of course). That’s something I don’t even feel comfortable saying (yet) for my Tier 1 guys. His offensive skillset is reeeediculously good.

[PhantomDashCam]

You may very well get me there on Duarte. He's risen alit for me personally over the last month. I'll even add that Duarte and Weiskamp have effectively lowered Kispert in my board at the same time. There's alot of value there getting a similar player at a lower draft point. Wieskamp's athletic testing moved him up considerably for me.

I think you're spot on with this and how many scouts view Kispert.
Now not trying to discount Kispert's character or work ethic which may help him elevate his credentials, however...

All lottery teams except GS (likely to move their picks anyway), Indiana (should be a playoff team) and New Orleans (pressure to win now) should be in lottery contention next year too. Why use a pick on a guy who may have capped out his upside when you may get so much more out of a Zhaire, Bouknight, JT Thor long term?

Even then you'd argue that Duarte (skills off the bounce) and Weiskamp (better length, athlete) could be had later in the draft too.

I feel that Kispert's range starts at 13 ends around 20.

[mo7888]

I think you're spot on with this and how many scouts view Kispert.
Now not trying to discount Kispert's character or work ethic which may help him elevate his credentials, however...

All lottery teams except GS (likely to move their picks anyway), Indiana (should be a playoff team) and New Orleans (pressure to win now) should be in lottery contention next year too. Why use a pick on a guy who may have capped out his upside when you may get so much more out of a Zhaire, Bouknight, JT Thor long term?

Even then you'd argue that Duarte (skills off the bounce) and Weiskamp (better length, athlete) could be had later in the draft too.

I feel that Kispert's range starts at 13 ends around 20.

I see the logic in a good bit of that and you have Kispert in the same range I value him, however, I would not be surprised to see a team above us who feels like they need a ready to go win now shooter (ahem Nola I'm looking at you) to take him earlier. I wouldn't but I can see a GM doing that..

[Mr. Body]

My personal updated BB from a few days ago.

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs
6. Franz Wagner
7. Scottie Barnes
8. Moses Moody
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Josh Giddey
11. James Bouknight
12. Keon Johnson
13. Kai Jones
14. Jalen Johnson
15. Corey Kispert
16. Chris Duarte
17. Trey Murphy
18. Jaden Springer
19. Tre Mann
20. Sharife Cooper
21. Davion Mitchell
22. Usman Garuba
23. JT Thor
24. Isaiah Jackson
25. Joshua Primo
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Joe Weiskamp
28. Roko Prkacin
29. Jared Butler
30. Zaire Williams

I'd really like to add another pick in the 20's..

I would be very interested in Keon Johnson. He has things to work on, but so much potential.

[BatManu20]

Keon Johnson is the best athlete in the draft. He’s a freak. And one of the best defenders too. Biggest concerns with him are his size (measures 6’3 at the combine) and his shooting ability (shot 27% from 3 this season) which I think he’ll improve on with time. But this team needs shooters in a bad way right now. More undersized Guards who can’t shoot is literally what we don’t need tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think you're going to solve the shooting problem with a draft pick. Other than size difference, Keon is pretty close to Kawhi coming into the NBA -- super motor, even a better one than Leonard, and defense heavy, needing work in other areas.

I don't think Bouknight or Moody or those players are going to fix shooting. Duarte would help.

[Dejounte]

I don't think you're going to solve the shooting problem with a draft pick. Other than size difference, Keon is pretty close to Kawhi coming into the NBA -- super motor, even a better one than Leonard, and defense heavy, needing work in other areas.

I don't think Bouknight or Moody or those players are going to fix shooting. Duarte would help.

IMO, it’s super suspicious that Keon and Jaden don’t follow each other on social media. You typically see teammates praise each other through IG, yet these two don’t even follow each other. Very, very odd. A hint of character concerns, if you ask me. Jaden posted only photos of his vertical leap results on IG, with Keon on the very edge of the photo. It’s a bit awkward.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/yDNiIIBfR2Y

I’m not buying that this kid is going to be a star haha

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/w8HMc02qKJA

has anyone seen this? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/yDNiIIBfR2Y

I’m not buying that this kid is going to be a star haha

I'm not sold on any of the supposed top five players or whatever it is.

[tonight...you]

IMO, it’s super suspicious that Keon and Jaden don’t follow each other on social media. You typically see teammates praise each other through IG, yet these two don’t even follow each other. Very, very odd. A hint of character concerns, if you ask me. Jaden posted only photos of his vertical leap results on IG, with Keon on the very edge of the photo. It’s a bit awkward.
This may be poignant to some FO's.
I see your point.

[PhantomDashCam]

IMO, it’s super suspicious that Keon and Jaden don’t follow each other on social media. You typically see teammates praise each other through IG, yet these two don’t even follow each other. Very, very odd. A hint of character concerns, if you ask me. Jaden posted only photos of his vertical leap results on IG, with Keon on the very edge of the photo. It’s a bit awkward.


I don't know if its a character issue. I remember Jaden speaking very highly of him in an interview around Feb or March, so unless something happened recently maybe?

IMHO, I think Keon Johnson's height was exposed to some extent at the combine and now they're very much competing for similar draft stock.

Even NBA athletes.com put Jaden as a wing rather than a PG or a CG when they put out their interpretations of measurable and athletic data out from the combine:

https://twitter.com/NBAthletedotcom/status/1408144987502657536?s=20

https://nbathlete.com/

For ref:


bSPARQ is an offshoot of SPARQ, which stands for Speed Power Agility Reaction and Quickness, and it is a tool to measure the athleticism of NBA Draft prospects. SPARQ was originally developed by NIKE and some version of it has been used to measure the athleticism of athletes for several years. It is extremely popular among certain NFL teams, for example. By reverse-engineering the formula that was used to measure SPARQ for high-school athletes, we were able to create a similar metric to measure the athleticism of NBA prospects.

[The Truth #6]

He has some dribble skills, some passing smarts, but yeah, the Bo Outlaw comparison makes you have reservation. Honestly, everyone 10-20 has reservations for me. Which makes me wonder if Chris Duarte is this year’s Desmond Bane? Meaning, there’s a quality player with few flaws, but projects as a 10 year role player? And should he be getting way more attention?

My post from four weeks ago aged well.

[slick'81]

My post from four weeks ago aged well.


I mean if thats the best sa can do then sure

[The Truth #6]

I mean if thats the best sa can do then sure

I’m not in favor of drafting him at 12. But at like 16 or 17 I can see him making sense.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1410363533930287106?s=20

Grown another inch?

[The Truth #6]

Random thoughts:

Sengun is a better overall player than Garuba. But what is worse: Sengun’s defense or Garuba’s offense? Probably Garuba’s offense. And yet, I can see scenarios where Garuba’s defense keeps him on the floor and Sengun’s inability to defend stalls his early development.

My five candidates most likely to get drafted by the Spurs:

Sengun
Garuba
Wagner
Moody
Springer (dark horse candidate)

[Kurik]

Not the biggest fan of Keon Johnson but I wouldn't be upset if he ends up being the pick. He played better as the year went on. Not really worried if he doesn't follow a one year college teammate on social media.



Split
Value
G
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
TRB
DRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Month
December (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=12&per_game=1)
7
18.3
2.7
6.1
.442
0.3
1.6
.182
2.4
4.6
.531
1.7
3.0
.571
0.6
3.0
2.4
2.0
1.3
0.6
2.3
1.9
7.4



January (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=1&per_game=1)
8
24.4
3.4
7.5
.450
0.4
1.4
.273
3.0
6.1
.490
3.0
4.2
.706
0.6
2.8
2.1
2.1
0.9
0.2
2.1
1.5
10.1



February (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=2&per_game=1)
8
28.8
4.8
11.2
.422
0.8
2.4
.316
4.0
8.9
.451
3.8
4.6
.811
1.1
3.1
2.0
3.1
0.8
0.6
3.0
3.2
14.0



March (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=3&per_game=1)
4
33.8
6.8
13.5
.500
0.5
1.8
.286
6.2
11.8
.532
1.2
2.2
.556
2.8
6.8
4.0
2.8
2.0
0.2
3.5
3.2
15.2

[Mr. Body]

Not the biggest fan of Keon Johnson but I wouldn't be upset if he ends up being the pick. He played better as the year went on. Not really worried if he doesn't follow a one year college teammate on social media.



Split
Value
G
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
TRB
DRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Month
December (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=12&per_game=1)
7
18.3
2.7
6.1
.442
0.3
1.6
.182
2.4
4.6
.531
1.7
3.0
.571
0.6
3.0
2.4
2.0
1.3
0.6
2.3
1.9
7.4



January (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=1&per_game=1)
8
24.4
3.4
7.5
.450
0.4
1.4
.273
3.0
6.1
.490
3.0
4.2
.706
0.6
2.8
2.1
2.1
0.9
0.2
2.1
1.5
10.1



February (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=2&per_game=1)
8
28.8
4.8
11.2
.422
0.8
2.4
.316
4.0
8.9
.451
3.8
4.6
.811
1.1
3.1
2.0
3.1
0.8
0.6
3.0
3.2
14.0



March (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/keon-johnson-2/splits/2021?month=3&per_game=1)
4
33.8
6.8
13.5
.500
0.5
1.8
.286
6.2
11.8
.532
1.2
2.2
.556
2.8
6.8
4.0
2.8
2.0
0.2
3.5
3.2
15.2



I'm not sure what my top picks are. I've heated up and then cooled on a few guys. But Johson's motor is fantastic. The athleticism is great, of course, but his motor and commitment to defense are what truly stand out. Everything else seems to be improvable. Not sure he's my top, but definitely over guys like the quitter from Duke.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/jadenspringer11/status/1410394896008163329?s=20

This kid is lottery material.

[John B]

I found this article about how some great NBA players (not all) have large hands, players like Jordan, Erving to name a few. Of course it's not only the reason, but the article says, having huge hands serves a favorable advantage in ball control. Phil Jackson when asked who he would take between Kobe and Mj on a one-on-one, he picked MJ simply because he has massive hands. Jordan with 9.75/11.375 inches length and span. In comparison, Nephew's hands are 9.75/11.25 inches length and span. Other notables, Boban 10.75/12", Shaq 10.25/12", Giannis 9.85/12" and Rondo 9.5/10"

“They're the ones who can wave the ball around like a grapefruit and don't need the off hand to secure the ball.”

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/14-NBA-Players-With-the-Most-Impressive-Hand-Sizes

I was curious and looking at the measurement at the 2021 Combine, Jalen Johnson has the largest hands at 9.75/10.50 inches length/span. Likewise, Scottie Barnes 9.25/10.25 inches. While Moses Moody at his size, has 9.00/10.00 inches length/span!!!


Pos Body Fat% Hand Length (Inches) Hand Width (Inches) Heaight W/o shoes Height W/ Shoes Standing Reach Weight (Lbs) Wingspan


AJ Lawson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aj-lawson/)
SG-SF
4.40%
8.50
9.25
6’5.5”
6’6.75”
8’3.5”
179.2
6’6.75”


Aaron Henry (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aaron-henry/)
SF
5.60%
8.50
9.25
6’4.5”
6’6.0”
8’7.5”
209.6
6’10.75”


Aaron Wiggins (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aaron-wiggins/)
SG-SF
5.00%
8.75
8.50
6’4.5”
6’5.0”
8’7.0”
190.0
6’9.75”


Ariel Hukporti (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ariel-hukporti/)
C
8.10%
9.50
9.50
6’10.75”
7’0.0”
9’3.5”
246.0
7’2.5”


Austin Reaves (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/austin-reaves/)
SG
11.00%
8.00
8.25
6’4.5”
6’5.75”
8’5.0”
197.2
6’6.25”


Ayo Dosunmu (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ayo-dosunmu/)
SG
4.90%
8.50
8.75
6’3.5”
6’5.0”
8’0.5”
194.4
6’10.25”


BJ Boston (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/brandon-boston/) Jr.
SF
6.00%
9.00
9.75
6’5.75”
6’7.0”
8’8.0”
188.0
6’10.75”


Cade Cunningham (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/cade-cunningham/)
PG
-%
–
–



–



Cameron Thomas (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/cameron-thomas/)
SG
-%
–
–



–



Carlik Jones (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/carlik-jones/)
PG
4.50%
8.25
9.00
6’0.0”
6’1.0”
8’1.5”
173.6
6’5.0”


Charles Bassey (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/charles-bassey/)
C
5.90%
9.00
9.50
6’9.25”
6’10.25”
8’11.5”
230.2
7’3.0”


Corey Kispert (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/corey-kispert/)
SF
6.80%
8.75
10.00
6’6.0”
6’7.25”
8’6.0”
223.8
6’7.0”


DJ Steward (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dj-steward/)
PG
5.00%
8.50
9.00
6’0.75”
6’1.75”
8’2.5”
162.2
6’7.0”


Daishen Nix (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/daishen-nix/)
PG
11.80%
8.50
9.00
6’3.0”
6’4.25”
8’4.0”
225.6
6’6.75”


David Duke (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/david-duke/) Jr.
SG
5.90%
8.50
9.00
6’4.25”
6’5.5”
8’6.5”
203.6
6’8.75”


David Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/david-johnson/)
SG
7.50%
8.25
8.50
6’3.25”
6’4.75”
8’8.0”
202.8
6’10.5”


Davion Mitchell (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/davion-mitchell/)
PG
6.20%
8.25
8.75
6’0.0”
6’1.25”
8’0.5”
202.4
6’4.25”


Day'Ron Sharpe (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dayron-sharpe/)
C
-%
–
–



–



Duane Washington Jr. (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/duane-washington/) Jr.
SG
5.10%
8.25
8.75
6’2.25”
6’3.75”
8’5.0”
196.8
6’7.75”


Evan Mobley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/evan-mobley/)
PF
-%
–
–



–



Greg Brown (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/greg-brown/) III
PF
5.50%
9.00
9.75
6’7.25”
6’8.5”
8’11.0”
206.4
7’0.25”


Herbert Jones
SF
5.80%
8.50
9.00
6’6.0”
6’7.25”
8’10.0”
206.4
7’0.25”


Isaiah Jackson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-jackson/)
C
-%
–
–



–



Isaiah Livers (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-livers/)
SF
9.40%
9.00
9.50
6’5.75”
6’7.25”
8’8.5”
231.8
6’9.25”


Isaiah Mobley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-mobley/)
PF
12.90%
9.00
10.00
6’8.0”
6’9.75”
8’11.5”
238.0
7’3.0”


Isaiah Todd (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-todd/)
PF
6.20%
9.00
9.75
6’8.75”
6’10.0”
8’11.5”
219.0
7’1.25”


JT Thor (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jt-thor/)
PF
6.10%
9.25
9.50
6’8.5”
6’9.25”
9’2.0”
203.0
7’3.25”


Jaden Springer (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jaden-springer/)
SG
6.30%
8.50
9.75
6’3.0”
6’4.25”
8’3.0”
202.0
6’7.75”


Jalen Green (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-green/)
SG
-%
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–



Jalen Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-johnson/)
PF
4.50%
9.75
10.50
6’7.75”
6’9.25”
8’10.0”
209.6
7’0.25”


James Bouknight (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/james-bouknight/)
SG
5.50%
8.75
9.00
6’3.5”
6’4.75”
8’5.5”
190.0
6’8.25”


Jared Butler (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jared-butler/)
PG
5.10%
8.50
8.25
6’2.25”
6’3.75”
8’2.5”
193.0
6’4.0”


Jason Preston (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jason-preston/)
PG
5.45%
8.50
9.25
6’3.0”
6’4.0”
8’4.5”
180.6
6’8.5”


Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jeremiah-robinson-earl/)
PF
8.90%
9.00
9.75
6’7.75”
6’9.0”
8’9.5”
242.4
6’9.75”


Jericho Sims (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jericho-sims/)
C
5.50%
9.00
9.75
6’9.0”
6’10.0”
8’10.0”
250.2
7’3.25”


Joe Wieskamp (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/joe-wieskamp/)
SF
4.10%
8.50
9.25
6’5.75”
6’7.25”
8’7.0”
204.8
6’11.0”


John Petty (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-petty/) Jr.
SG
5.60%
8.50
9.00
6’4.5”
6’5.75”
8’7.5”
186.2
6’9.5”


Johnny Juzang (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/johnny-juzang/)
SG
8.00%
8.50
9.50
6’5.5”
6’7.0”
8’4.5”
209.0
6’10.5”


Jonathan Kuminga (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jonathan-kuminga/)
SF
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Josh Christopher (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/josh-christopher/)
SG
5.80%
8.75
8.50
6’3.25”
6’4.5”
8’5.0”
214.8
6’9.25”


Joshua Primo (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/joshua-primo/)
SG
6.30%
9.00
10.00
6’4.0”
6’5.0”
8’6.5”
189.0
6’9.25”


Julian Champagnie (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/julian-champagnie/)
SF
8.00%
9.00
8.50
6’6.5”
6’7.5”
8’10.5”
217.4
6’10.0”


Justin Champagnie (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/justin-champagnie/)
PF
6.30%
8.75
8.50
6’5.75”
6’6.75”
8’8.0”
206.4
6’9.5”


Kai Jones (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kai-jones/)
PF
4.70%
9.00
9.50
6’10.0”
6’11.5”
9’2.5”
221.4
7’1.75”


Keon Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/keon-johnson/)
SG
4.40%
8.50
9.00
6’3.5”
6’4.75”
8’1.0”
184.8
6’7.25”


Kessler Edwards (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kessler-edwards/)
PF
4.30%
8.50
8.25
6’7.0”
6’8.0”
8’10.0”
203.0
6’11.25”


Luka Garza (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-garza/)
C
11.70%
9.00
9.25
6’10.0”
6’11.25”
8’11.5”
242.8
7’1.5”


Makur Maker (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/makur-maker/)
C
14.50%
8.75
9.50
6’10.25”
6’11.25”
9’4.0”
232.2
7’1.75”


Marcus Bagley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/marcus-bagley/)
SF
7.50%
8.75
8.50
6’6.0”
6’7.75”
8’6.5”
216.8
6’11.0”


Marcus Zegarowski
PG
7.20%
8.00
9.50
6’0.75”
6’2.0”
8’0.0”
180.8
6’2.75”


[Player: Matthew Hurt
PF
15.20%
9.00
9.00
6’8.5”
6’9.5”
8’10.5”
232.4
6’9.5”


Matthew Mayer (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/matthew-mayer/)
PF
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Max Abmas (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/max-abmas/)
PG
5.50%
8.00
7.75
5’10.5”
5’11.75”
7’10.0”
161.8
6’1.75”


McKinley Wright (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mckinley-wright/) IV
PG
6.70%
8.50
9.00
5’11.25”
6’0.25”
7’10.0”
192.2
6’5.25”


Miles McBride (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/miles-mcbride/)
PG
6.00%
9.00
9.50
6’1.0”
6’2.5”
8’3.5”
195.2
6’8.75”


Moses Moody (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moses-moody/)
SG
6.80%
9.00
10.00
6’4.5”
6’6.0”
8’9.0”
210.6
7’0.75”


Moses Wright (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moses-wright/)
PF
5.60%
9.00
9.50
6’7.75”
6’9.0”
8’11.0”
225.8
7’0.75”


Nah'Shon Hyland (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/nahshon-hyland/)
SG
5.80%
8.75
9.00
6’2.0”
6’3.5”
8’5.5”
169.0
6’9.25”


Neemias Queta (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/neemias-queta/)
C
7.60%
9.25
10.50
6’11.25”
7’0.5”
9’4.5”
248.4
7’4.0”


Ochai Agbaji
SG
4.15%
9.00
8.75
6’4.5”
6’5.5”
8’7.5”
214.4
6’10.0”


[Player: Quentin Grimes
SG
6.60%
8.50
10.00
6’4.0”
6’5.25”
8’5.0”
209.8
6’8.0”


Raiquan Gray (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/raiquan-gray/)
PF
17.30%
9.25
9.00
6’6.5”
6’7.75”
8’9.0”
268.6
6’10.75”


Roko Prkacin (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/roko-prkacin/)
PF
7.00%
8.75
9.25
6’7.5”
6’9.25”
8’11.0”
225.4
6’11.0”


Sam Hauser (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sam-hauser/)
SF
7.90%
8.25
9.00
6’6.75”
6’8.0”
8’6.0”
217.4
6’9.25”


Sandro Mamukelashvili (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sandro-mamukelashvili/)
C
7.80%
9.00
9.50
6’9.0”
6’10.0”
8’10.5”
239.8
7’1.25”


Scottie Barnes (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/scottie-barnes/)
SF
5.30%
9.25
10.25
6’7.0”
6’8.0”
9’0.0”
225.4
7’2.75”


Scottie Lewis (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/scottie-lewis/)
SF
4.70%
8.75
9.75
6’4.0”
6’5.25”
8’5.5”
187.6
7’0.0”


Sharife Cooper (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sharife-cooper/)
PG
-%
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Terrence Shannon (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/terrence-shannon/) Jr.
SF
6.70%
8.00
8.00
6’5.5”
6’6.5”
8’4.0”
206.6
6’8.25”


Tre Mann (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tre-mann/)
PG
4.10%
8.00
9.00
6’3.25”
6’4.25”
8’2.5”
177.6
6’4.0”


Trendon Watford (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/trendon-watford/)
PF
10.10%
9.50
9.50
6’7.5”
6’8.75”
8’9.0”
237.4
7’2.25”


Trey Murphy (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/trey-murphy/) III
SF
8.10%
8.50
9.00
6’7.5”
6’9.25”
8’9.5”
206.0
7’0.0”


Yves Pons (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/yves-pons/)
PF
4.00%
9.00
9.25
6’5.5”
6’6.75”
8’8.0”
206.4
7’0.75”


Ziaire Williams (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ziaire-williams/)
SF
4.40%
9.00
8.75
6’8.25”
6’9.75”
8’10.5”
188.4
6’10.25”

[spurs1990]

Basketballinsiders site has a list of the 12th pick in previous drafts and it's appalling for anyone hoping history provides a great player at that slot.

Steven Adams may be the best out of the entire bunch since the mid-late 80's.
Granted the last three guys - Halliburton, PJ, and Bridges, can pan out big so may that trend continue.

https://i.ibb.co/XtjmrFj/A0-C6-DEFB-EDCF-451-B-8-F42-881295-E52623.jpg

[Uriel]

If Franz Wagner is available at 12, I’m almost certain the Spurs will get him, assuming nobody from the top 6 drops. He fills a need and just feels like your prototypical Spurs player.

[PhantomDashCam]

Mock City:

- Deviate a bit from the consensus on some prospects.
- Thinking long term here. Tend to favor potential, versatility, youth and flashes of star potential over solid NBA - ready contributors/translations as believe you should being in the lottery.
eg. Corey Kispert, Cameron Thomas could easily outperform their mock positions by 10 or so spots initially but maybe not in 4 years...



Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Jalen Suggs
Jalen Green
Jonathon Kuminga
Scottie Barnes
Kai Jones
Jaden Springer
JT Thor
Usman Garuba
Alpernen Sengun
Josh Giddey
Ziaire Williams
James Bouknight
Moses Moody
Sharife Cooper
Keon Johnson
Tre Mann
Franz Wagner
Davion Mitchell
Trey Murphy
Chris Duarte
'Bones' Hyland
Jalen Johnson
Corey Kispert
Isaiah Jackson
Josh Christopher
Cameron Thomas
Roko Prkacin
Josh Primo

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/draftdummies/status/1410360369915199492?s=21

This is a big deal. Not versatile enough to guard other positions. Carlik and Steward are 6’1/6’2 point guards.

[Kurik]

https://twitter.com/draftdummies/status/1410360369915199492?s=21

This is a big deal. Not versatile enough to guard other positions. Carlik and Steward are 6’1/6’2 point guards.

Pretty popular opinion on Reddit that his standing reach was inaccurate which made his vertical numbers seem a bit higher. Another example of inaccurate standing reach, Ayo Dosunmu is 6'5 with a wingspan of 6'10.25" but an 8'0.5" reach, I don’t believe that’s possible.

[rankingtear]

https://twitter.com/draftdummies/status/1410360369915199492?s=21

This is a big deal. Not versatile enough to guard other positions. Carlik and Steward are 6’1/6’2 point guards.

Maybe tanked his standing reach to go for that record vert. Heard standing reach is more relevant for rim protectors. Bad but not a big deal.

[Dejounte]

Pretty popular opinion on Reddit that his standing reach was inaccurate which made his vertical numbers seem a bit higher. Another example of inaccurate standing reach, Ayo Dosunmu is 6'5 with a wingspan of 6'10.25" but an 8'0.5" reach, I don’t believe that’s possible.

the people handling these measurements need to be fired.

”YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!”

[Degoat]

Not going to lie…. There isn’t only player that I would be disappointed if we drafted, however I’m intrigued by some prospects that ST seems out on lol I keep going back and watching film on Jalen Johnson and Ziaire Williams and they have so much untapped potential imo.

[Prime BEEF]

I really like josh giddey but just don’t see the need in getting him unless white or Murray is traded. Assuming those trades don’t happen, I’m hoping moody or Wagner is available at 12. Would love to add a later pick and get Duarte.

dream scenario for me would be getting moody/Wagner at 12 and also get Duarte. Wonder if Walker and/or Luka could get us a pick in the 16-21 range to get Duarte. Okc and NY both have 2 picks in that range.

[mo7888]

I really like josh giddey but just don’t see the need in getting him unless white or Murray is traded. Assuming those trades don’t happen, I’m hoping moody or Wagner is available at 12. Would love to add a later pick and get Duarte.

dream scenario for me would be getting moody/Wagner at 12 and also get Duarte. Wonder if Walker and/or Luka could get us a pick in the 16-21 range to get Duarte. Okc and NY both have 2 picks in that range.

It goes against the grain here but, I do think LW could get you a pick in that range.

[John B]

Not going to lie…. There isn’t only player that I would be disappointed if we drafted, however I’m intrigued by some prospects that ST seems out on lol I keep going back and watching film on Jalen Johnson and Ziaire Williams and they have so much untapped potential imo.
I’d be disappointed if Jalen’s available and the Spurs didn’t pick him. His hands are almost as big as Nephew’s :lol

[SAGirl]

IMO, it’s super suspicious that Keon and Jaden don’t follow each other on social media. You typically see teammates praise each other through IG, yet these two don’t even follow each other. Very, very odd. A hint of character concerns, if you ask me. Jaden posted only photos of his vertical leap results on IG, with Keon on the very edge of the photo. It’s a bit awkward.
Somebody else could be managing his social media for him. Its a good observation but not unheard of that a sister (Kawhi’s sister did this for him, for what little social media presence he had) or a close friend does this for a player who would rather not spend time on things like this.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/draftdummies/status/1410360369915199492?s=21

This is a big deal. Not versatile enough to guard other positions. Carlik and Steward are 6’1/6’2 point guards.
Definite red flag. Patty Mills size like.

[The Truth #6]

IMO, it’s super suspicious that Keon and Jaden don’t follow each other on social media. You typically see teammates praise each other through IG, yet these two don’t even follow each other. Very, very odd. A hint of character concerns, if you ask me. Jaden posted only photos of his vertical leap results on IG, with Keon on the very edge of the photo. It’s a bit awkward.

Interesting. Does your research suggest one of them has character issues?

[Kurik]

Definite red flag. Patty Mills size like.

It’s not accurate, quite a few basketball players “cheat” on their standing reach to inflate their vertical jump. Pat Connaughton did this when he was going through the combine. Not saying Keon has an above average standing reach or anything but he’s at least average.

[SpursDynasty85]

I found this article about how some great NBA players (not all) have large hands, players like Jordan, Erving to name a few. Of course it's not only the reason, but the article says, having huge hands serves a favorable advantage in ball control. Phil Jackson when asked who he would take between Kobe and Mj on a one-on-one, he picked MJ simply because he has massive hands. Jordan with 9.75/11.375 inches length and span. In comparison, Nephew's hands are 9.75/11.25 inches length and span. Other notables, Boban 10.75/12", Shaq 10.25/12", Giannis 9.85/12" and Rondo 9.5/10"

“They're the ones who can wave the ball around like a grapefruit and don't need the off hand to secure the ball.”

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/14-NBA-Players-With-the-Most-Impressive-Hand-Sizes

I was curious and looking at the measurement at the 2021 Combine, Jalen Johnson has the largest hands at 9.75/10.50 inches length/span. Likewise, Scottie Barnes 9.25/10.25 inches. While Moses Moody at his size, has 9.00/10.00 inches length/span!!!


Pos Body Fat% Hand Length (Inches) Hand Width (Inches) Heaight W/o shoes Height W/ Shoes Standing Reach Weight (Lbs) Wingspan


AJ Lawson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aj-lawson/)
SG-SF
4.40%
8.50
9.25
6’5.5”
6’6.75”
8’3.5”
179.2
6’6.75”


Aaron Henry (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aaron-henry/)
SF
5.60%
8.50
9.25
6’4.5”
6’6.0”
8’7.5”
209.6
6’10.75”


Aaron Wiggins (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/aaron-wiggins/)
SG-SF
5.00%
8.75
8.50
6’4.5”
6’5.0”
8’7.0”
190.0
6’9.75”


Ariel Hukporti (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ariel-hukporti/)
C
8.10%
9.50
9.50
6’10.75”
7’0.0”
9’3.5”
246.0
7’2.5”


Austin Reaves (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/austin-reaves/)
SG
11.00%
8.00
8.25
6’4.5”
6’5.75”
8’5.0”
197.2
6’6.25”


Ayo Dosunmu (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ayo-dosunmu/)
SG
4.90%
8.50
8.75
6’3.5”
6’5.0”
8’0.5”
194.4
6’10.25”


BJ Boston (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/brandon-boston/) Jr.
SF
6.00%
9.00
9.75
6’5.75”
6’7.0”
8’8.0”
188.0
6’10.75”


Cade Cunningham (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/cade-cunningham/)
PG
-%
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Cameron Thomas (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/cameron-thomas/)
SG
-%
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Carlik Jones (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/carlik-jones/)
PG
4.50%
8.25
9.00
6’0.0”
6’1.0”
8’1.5”
173.6
6’5.0”


Charles Bassey (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/charles-bassey/)
C
5.90%
9.00
9.50
6’9.25”
6’10.25”
8’11.5”
230.2
7’3.0”


Corey Kispert (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/corey-kispert/)
SF
6.80%
8.75
10.00
6’6.0”
6’7.25”
8’6.0”
223.8
6’7.0”


DJ Steward (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dj-steward/)
PG
5.00%
8.50
9.00
6’0.75”
6’1.75”
8’2.5”
162.2
6’7.0”


Daishen Nix (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/daishen-nix/)
PG
11.80%
8.50
9.00
6’3.0”
6’4.25”
8’4.0”
225.6
6’6.75”


David Duke (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/david-duke/) Jr.
SG
5.90%
8.50
9.00
6’4.25”
6’5.5”
8’6.5”
203.6
6’8.75”


David Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/david-johnson/)
SG
7.50%
8.25
8.50
6’3.25”
6’4.75”
8’8.0”
202.8
6’10.5”


Davion Mitchell (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/davion-mitchell/)
PG
6.20%
8.25
8.75
6’0.0”
6’1.25”
8’0.5”
202.4
6’4.25”


Day'Ron Sharpe (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dayron-sharpe/)
C
-%
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Duane Washington Jr. (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/duane-washington/) Jr.
SG
5.10%
8.25
8.75
6’2.25”
6’3.75”
8’5.0”
196.8
6’7.75”


Evan Mobley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/evan-mobley/)
PF
-%
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Greg Brown (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/greg-brown/) III
PF
5.50%
9.00
9.75
6’7.25”
6’8.5”
8’11.0”
206.4
7’0.25”


Herbert Jones
SF
5.80%
8.50
9.00
6’6.0”
6’7.25”
8’10.0”
206.4
7’0.25”


Isaiah Jackson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-jackson/)
C
-%
–
–



–



Isaiah Livers (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-livers/)
SF
9.40%
9.00
9.50
6’5.75”
6’7.25”
8’8.5”
231.8
6’9.25”


Isaiah Mobley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-mobley/)
PF
12.90%
9.00
10.00
6’8.0”
6’9.75”
8’11.5”
238.0
7’3.0”


Isaiah Todd (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/isaiah-todd/)
PF
6.20%
9.00
9.75
6’8.75”
6’10.0”
8’11.5”
219.0
7’1.25”


JT Thor (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jt-thor/)
PF
6.10%
9.25
9.50
6’8.5”
6’9.25”
9’2.0”
203.0
7’3.25”


Jaden Springer (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jaden-springer/)
SG
6.30%
8.50
9.75
6’3.0”
6’4.25”
8’3.0”
202.0
6’7.75”


Jalen Green (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-green/)
SG
-%
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Jalen Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-johnson/)
PF
4.50%
9.75
10.50
6’7.75”
6’9.25”
8’10.0”
209.6
7’0.25”


James Bouknight (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/james-bouknight/)
SG
5.50%
8.75
9.00
6’3.5”
6’4.75”
8’5.5”
190.0
6’8.25”


Jared Butler (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jared-butler/)
PG
5.10%
8.50
8.25
6’2.25”
6’3.75”
8’2.5”
193.0
6’4.0”


Jason Preston (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jason-preston/)
PG
5.45%
8.50
9.25
6’3.0”
6’4.0”
8’4.5”
180.6
6’8.5”


Jeremiah Robinson-Earl (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jeremiah-robinson-earl/)
PF
8.90%
9.00
9.75
6’7.75”
6’9.0”
8’9.5”
242.4
6’9.75”


Jericho Sims (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jericho-sims/)
C
5.50%
9.00
9.75
6’9.0”
6’10.0”
8’10.0”
250.2
7’3.25”


Joe Wieskamp (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/joe-wieskamp/)
SF
4.10%
8.50
9.25
6’5.75”
6’7.25”
8’7.0”
204.8
6’11.0”


John Petty (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/john-petty/) Jr.
SG
5.60%
8.50
9.00
6’4.5”
6’5.75”
8’7.5”
186.2
6’9.5”


Johnny Juzang (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/johnny-juzang/)
SG
8.00%
8.50
9.50
6’5.5”
6’7.0”
8’4.5”
209.0
6’10.5”


Jonathan Kuminga (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jonathan-kuminga/)
SF
-%
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Josh Christopher (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/josh-christopher/)
SG
5.80%
8.75
8.50
6’3.25”
6’4.5”
8’5.0”
214.8
6’9.25”


Joshua Primo (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/joshua-primo/)
SG
6.30%
9.00
10.00
6’4.0”
6’5.0”
8’6.5”
189.0
6’9.25”


Julian Champagnie (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/julian-champagnie/)
SF
8.00%
9.00
8.50
6’6.5”
6’7.5”
8’10.5”
217.4
6’10.0”


Justin Champagnie (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/justin-champagnie/)
PF
6.30%
8.75
8.50
6’5.75”
6’6.75”
8’8.0”
206.4
6’9.5”


Kai Jones (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kai-jones/)
PF
4.70%
9.00
9.50
6’10.0”
6’11.5”
9’2.5”
221.4
7’1.75”


Keon Johnson (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/keon-johnson/)
SG
4.40%
8.50
9.00
6’3.5”
6’4.75”
8’1.0”
184.8
6’7.25”


Kessler Edwards (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kessler-edwards/)
PF
4.30%
8.50
8.25
6’7.0”
6’8.0”
8’10.0”
203.0
6’11.25”


Luka Garza (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/luka-garza/)
C
11.70%
9.00
9.25
6’10.0”
6’11.25”
8’11.5”
242.8
7’1.5”


Makur Maker (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/makur-maker/)
C
14.50%
8.75
9.50
6’10.25”
6’11.25”
9’4.0”
232.2
7’1.75”


Marcus Bagley (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/marcus-bagley/)
SF
7.50%
8.75
8.50
6’6.0”
6’7.75”
8’6.5”
216.8
6’11.0”


Marcus Zegarowski
PG
7.20%
8.00
9.50
6’0.75”
6’2.0”
8’0.0”
180.8
6’2.75”


[Player: Matthew Hurt
PF
15.20%
9.00
9.00
6’8.5”
6’9.5”
8’10.5”
232.4
6’9.5”


Matthew Mayer (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/matthew-mayer/)
PF
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Max Abmas (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/max-abmas/)
PG
5.50%
8.00
7.75
5’10.5”
5’11.75”
7’10.0”
161.8
6’1.75”


McKinley Wright (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mckinley-wright/) IV
PG
6.70%
8.50
9.00
5’11.25”
6’0.25”
7’10.0”
192.2
6’5.25”


Miles McBride (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/miles-mcbride/)
PG
6.00%
9.00
9.50
6’1.0”
6’2.5”
8’3.5”
195.2
6’8.75”


Moses Moody (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moses-moody/)
SG
6.80%
9.00
10.00
6’4.5”
6’6.0”
8’9.0”
210.6
7’0.75”


Moses Wright (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moses-wright/)
PF
5.60%
9.00
9.50
6’7.75”
6’9.0”
8’11.0”
225.8
7’0.75”


Nah'Shon Hyland (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/nahshon-hyland/)
SG
5.80%
8.75
9.00
6’2.0”
6’3.5”
8’5.5”
169.0
6’9.25”


Neemias Queta (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/neemias-queta/)
C
7.60%
9.25
10.50
6’11.25”
7’0.5”
9’4.5”
248.4
7’4.0”


Ochai Agbaji
SG
4.15%
9.00
8.75
6’4.5”
6’5.5”
8’7.5”
214.4
6’10.0”


[Player: Quentin Grimes
SG
6.60%
8.50
10.00
6’4.0”
6’5.25”
8’5.0”
209.8
6’8.0”


Raiquan Gray (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/raiquan-gray/)
PF
17.30%
9.25
9.00
6’6.5”
6’7.75”
8’9.0”
268.6
6’10.75”


Roko Prkacin (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/roko-prkacin/)
PF
7.00%
8.75
9.25
6’7.5”
6’9.25”
8’11.0”
225.4
6’11.0”


Sam Hauser (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sam-hauser/)
SF
7.90%
8.25
9.00
6’6.75”
6’8.0”
8’6.0”
217.4
6’9.25”


Sandro Mamukelashvili (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sandro-mamukelashvili/)
C
7.80%
9.00
9.50
6’9.0”
6’10.0”
8’10.5”
239.8
7’1.25”


Scottie Barnes (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/scottie-barnes/)
SF
5.30%
9.25
10.25
6’7.0”
6’8.0”
9’0.0”
225.4
7’2.75”


Scottie Lewis (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/scottie-lewis/)
SF
4.70%
8.75
9.75
6’4.0”
6’5.25”
8’5.5”
187.6
7’0.0”


Sharife Cooper (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/sharife-cooper/)
PG
-%
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Terrence Shannon (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/terrence-shannon/) Jr.
SF
6.70%
8.00
8.00
6’5.5”
6’6.5”
8’4.0”
206.6
6’8.25”


Tre Mann (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tre-mann/)
PG
4.10%
8.00
9.00
6’3.25”
6’4.25”
8’2.5”
177.6
6’4.0”


Trendon Watford (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/trendon-watford/)
PF
10.10%
9.50
9.50
6’7.5”
6’8.75”
8’9.0”
237.4
7’2.25”


Trey Murphy (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/trey-murphy/) III
SF
8.10%
8.50
9.00
6’7.5”
6’9.25”
8’9.5”
206.0
7’0.0”


Yves Pons (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/yves-pons/)
PF
4.00%
9.00
9.25
6’5.5”
6’6.75”
8’8.0”
206.4
7’0.75”


Ziaire Williams (https://www.nbadraft.net/players/ziaire-williams/)
SF
4.40%
9.00
8.75
6’8.25”
6’9.75”
8’10.5”
188.4
6’10.25”






Which is why I think we should tamper any dreams Samanic will be a star unless he becomes Hedo Torkuglu like on the outside. His small hands make his moves longer and harder to gather, especially in the paint where he seems to keep the ball so low on his finishes. He measured 8.5 length and 9.0 width. Hands of a SG really. https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements/

[Dejounte]

Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.

this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus

[Dejounte]

Oh he small hands he no good :lmao

is this real life

[Seventyniner]

Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.

this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus

Yeah but was your hand bigger than your face? :downspin:

[John B]

Which is why I think we should tamper any dreams Samanic will be a star unless he becomes Hedo Torkuglu like on the outside. His small hands make his moves longer and harder to gather, especially in the paint where he seems to keep the ball so low on his finishes. He measured 8.5 length and 9.0 width. Hands of a SG really. https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-combine-measurements/

It helps a lot, but not everything. Keldon’s hands are 8/9.25 inches but doesn’t prevent him from finishing dunks and corraling rebounds. And depends on the position and style of play. That’s why I’m not totally sold on Sengun. I would love to have him in my team in the gym. He’s a swiss army knife, but is he physical enough to play C in the NBA? Maybe a point forward role like a Diaw (but Boris was deceptively athletic). Still I’d rather put my money on an athletic freak like Jalen, Moody and Barnes, but he’s a pipe dream.

[John B]

Oh he small hands he no good :lmao

is this real life

They certainly didn’t put the shoe size or eye color, because they are insignificant. But hands length is. As mentioned not everything, but they do have advantages especially on what position. It it’s a catch and shoot guy, then it wouldn’t matter. Heck Bertans plays with 9 1/2 fingers :lol But I think the Spurs’ need is a bigger SF, a PF/C who can play big and shoot outside. That position would be nice not having one with a T-Rex hands :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.

this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus

I’m just putting 1 and 2 together. I’ve seen Samanic play and his weaknesses are what I pointed out in my previous post. He tends to take a long time to get his shot off in the paint. If you’ve seen his Gleague play you know this guy gets the ball poked out A Lot. If you are a big guy you need big hands because when you are in the paint it gets swiped at from all angles and if you can’t hold on to it or keep it away from a defender then you will struggle in many situations. I think there was a reason Pop has been playing Luka as more of a 3 than a 4 because his potential inside is limited because of his hands. If you’ve seen what small hands can do to a big like Kwame Brown check those “All the Smoke” podcast with Arenas when they were talking about Kwame. Phil Jackson also said the biggest difference between Kobe and Jordan was hands the way Jordan could just control the ball whenever and wherever he wanted. And if you’ve seen Kawhi play, you can see how he utilizes it. Not saying Luka will be bad but any chance he becomes a force in the paint or going to the hoop like Giannis or something should be completely forgotten. He will need to hone his guard skills because he has the hands of a guard.

[bluebellmaniac]

28 Days until the Draft...

That's 4 weeks... the countdown continues...

[PhantomDashCam]

For the Wagner fans...

https://twitter.com/abovethebreak3/status/1410618223133749252?s=20

Will be uploaded to YouTube a day or so later if can't make it.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/hJ0qjF88Yj0

Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

give us a bit of that latin flavor back

[Sugus]

https://youtu.be/hJ0qjF88Yj0

Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

give us a bit of that latin flavor back

Hell yeah, I'm ready. Liking this dude tbh but I haven't kept a close eye on this draft whatsoever.

Who's your sleeper pick, D? I'm guessing, but besides Duarte, lol

[John B]

https://youtu.be/hJ0qjF88Yj0

Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

give us a bit of that latin flavor back

He's a nice size SG with Kyle Thompson accuracy and Harden step-back shots. Pretty amazing if we could get him but not at 12th. I don't know what to give up to get him at high teens.

[Dejounte]

Hell yeah, I'm ready. Liking this dude tbh but I haven't kept a close eye on this draft whatsoever.

Who's your sleeper pick, D? I'm guessing, but besides Duarte, lol

sleeper? Like Desmond Bane or Immanuel Quickley type sleeper? Probably Jeremiah Earl Robinson.

[Dejounte]

He's a nice size SG with Kyle Thompson accuracy and Harden step-back shots. Pretty amazing if we could get him but not at 12th. I don't know what to give up to get him at high teens.

if the Spurs view him as a future star, there’s no need to play games. Just draft him with whatever you have. When you follow consensus, you miss out on diamonds.

duarte could skip the draft and yield a $15 mil contract right now.

his offense is better than half the league.

his leadership reputation is icing on the cake.

[RVSTX]

Duarte has really grown on me. Kids really good offensively. his shot is so nice! I like Sengun and Jones, but this kid Duarte could easily sneak into the lottery! I definitely get
Klay Thompson vibes like it was mentioned, I know he will have just turned 24, but man hes good on offense, 3 level scorer with very good efficiency...I know we got guards, but i wouldnt be mad if he was the spurs pick...

[barakz21]

https://youtu.be/hJ0qjF88Yj0

Perhaps it’s because he has english as a second language, but this interview gives me Manu vibes. We’re gonna need all the Spanish translators back on this board if he gets drafted

give us a bit of that latin flavor back

idk if thats the Latin connection but there are moments that he just sounds/says/pronounces things exactly like Manu does. Obviously he has a deeper voice than Manu.

Speaking of Manu, I miss him giving interviews. It was fun watching his interviews.

[Dejounte]

idk if thats the Latin connection but there are moments that he just sounds/says/pronounces things exactly like Manu does. Obviously he has a deeper voice than Manu.

Speaking of Manu, I miss him giving interviews. It was fun watching his interviews.

Exactly, I’m glad it wasn’t just me noticing his diction.

btw, he follows Manu on IG.

[KobesAchilles]

For all the tanking fans, we finally have a team that is proof that tanking works. Go Suns Go :lol

Draft young guys that are actually good and then sign that hungry vet. Seems to be a good way to build a team. Next year we are looking at a top 7 pick. So let’s see what happens. Gotta capitalize on these picks so we can trade away our talent now to fit for our future winning. I’m looking at you DJ and Lonnie

[BackHome]

Captain Tank 2022 All Aboard :lma

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1410848691129393152?s=20

[rjv]

For all the tanking fans, we finally have a team that is proof that tanking works. Go Suns Go :lol

Draft young guys that are actually good and then sign that hungry vet. Seems to be a good way to build a team. Next year we are looking at a top 7 pick. So let’s see what happens. Gotta capitalize on these picks so we can trade away our talent now to fit for our future winning. I’m looking at you DJ and Lonnie

ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.

[Sugus]

ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.

Don't forget that Ayton was like, born and raised in Phoenix, went to college there, all the shebazz. Definitely not the kind of "normal" relationship between a #1 pick and their shitty franchise that we're seeing nowadays (ahem, Zion). I can see him playing out his entire career for the Suns, especially if they manage to win a chip either this year or somewhere down the line.

[KobesAchilles]

ayton was their #1 but other than that, the suns are booker (#13), malik bridges (who they got via trade after drafting zhaire smith at #16-bridges was 10th), crowder and paul (FA signing and trade). and this is the core of their success. i guess one could argue that ayton is the justification for the tank here but the suns are more than just a product of tanking.
Ayton is who I am talking about. Bridges as well but he is still a top 10 pick. The Suns actually traded one of their young players for an even better young player. Hmmm… must be nice

But Ayton is a beast. He’s like Poeltl except he’s athletic, can actually put the ball in the hoop, always finishes strong, plays defense, AND can shoot free throws so you can’t hack him. Poeltl is who you get at the 10th pick for a big man and Ayton as the #1 pick. There is a difference. But yeah the Suns got lucky in their draft day steal of Booker (maybe Duarte is ours) and then sucked and got some additional top 10 picks that can actually play after some seasoning and they paid a hungry vet in Chris Paul who wants to win so badly that his leadership took them over the top.

So here’s hoping we can follow this route. Or the Dallas route of drafting a Superstar and then trading all our picks away for a a legit #2 player. Not that Dallas did that in Kristaps but the idea was there

[Harry Callahan]

The Mavericks front office is a mess. One pick (Luka D) does not change that. Mark Cuban should receive the Donald Sterling treatment given the people he has allowed to work for him over the past 20 years. Some truly rotten people - especially the team president (Ursari) who was a true predator.

The Suns waited a LONG time for this moment in the Sun. I'm digging a Suns - Hawks/Bucks final. The TV ratings will be something to behold.

At least there is a one year break from the usual annoying creeps.

[exstatic]

Ayton is who I am talking about. Bridges as well but he is still a top 10 pick. The Suns actually traded one of their young players for an even better young player. Hmmm… must be nice

But Ayton is a beast. He’s like Poeltl except he’s athletic, can actually put the ball in the hoop, always finishes strong, plays defense, AND can shoot free throws so you can’t hack him. Poeltl is who you get at the 10th pick for a big man and Ayton as the #1 pick. There is a difference. But yeah the Suns got lucky in their draft day steal of Booker (maybe Duarte is ours) and then sucked and got some additional top 10 picks that can actually play after some seasoning and they paid a hungry vet in Chris Paul who wants to win so badly that his leadership took them over the top.

So here’s hoping we can follow this route. Or the Dallas route of drafting a Superstar and then trading all our picks away for a a legit #2 player. Not that Dallas did that in Kristaps but the idea was there

Deandre Ayton this year, 0-3 feet 53%; career 49%

Jakob Poeltl this year 0-3 feet 58%; career 67%

Phoenix didn’t progress because they tanked, they progressed because they traded for an All NBA and surefire HOF PG. without Paul, they’re likely a first round out.

[KobesAchilles]

Deandre Ayton this year, 0-3 feet 53%; career 49%

Jakob Poeltl this year 0-3 feet 58%; career 67%

Phoenix didn’t progress because they tanked, they progressed because they traded for an All NBA and surefire HOF PG. without Paul, they’re likely a first round out.
I literally did say that. But they were in a position to add that hungry vet in Chris Paul. We add Chris Paul and we don’t even sniff the finals. And yeah you’re right, Poeltl would’ve finished that ally oop. He also would have a near 20 20 game in the playoffs and have double doubles in 7 out of his last 10 playoff games with 2 that he didn’t he was at 9 rebounds.

If you’re saying that Poeltl is a stronger finisher than Ayton then idk what to tell you. If you think Poeltl is better than Ayton then I don’t know what to tell you. But bringing up field goal percentage when Ayton makes double the amount of field goals than Poeltl isn’t a compelling argument.

[Dex]

Summary from the new article on The Athletic, only including top 15 because who cares after that:


1. Detroit Pistons – Cade Cunningham, G/F, Oklahoma State, 19 years old

"The Pistons are going to take Cunningham. We can get into the thought exercises of whether or not it’s fine to consider someone else like USC big man Evan Mobley or guards Jalen Green or Jalen Suggs...But let me ask you a question: Did you happen to see if any of those guys were Cade Cunningham?"

Trade Possible?: No because Cade

2. Houston Rockets – Jalen Suggs, G, Gonzaga, 19 years old

"Grabbing a star guard for the future is more pressing for the Rockets, however. That leaves them with the decision between Suggs and Green. And while Green seems to be the more highly touted prospect, I think Suggs is the better fit here...The biggest problem here is his shooting, as he was not a great catch-and-shoot guy at Gonzaga (but he also didn’t have a lot of those chances)."

Trade Possible?: No because Rockets tanked on purpose

3. Cleveland Cavaliers – Evan Mobley, C, USC, 19 years old

"It’s a little complicated with the Jarrett Allen presence on the Cavs, assuming they re-sign him in restricted free agency this summer, but the hope is that both guys can play a mix of on the perimeter and around the basket...The Cavs can also re-sign Allen and go with a rotation of him and Mobley for a couple years until it’s obvious that Mobley needs to be the full-time guy."

Trade Possible?: Maybe? GM Koby Altman has been very aggressive in trading during his tenure

4. Toronto Raptors – Jalen Green, G, G-League Ignite, 18 years old

"I think the Raptors are getting either Suggs or Green in this draft, and either one is a win for them...His shooting should be there at the NBA level and we saw some positive signs of it at the G League level. The question is whether he can be a lead guard you run your offense through. He’s not a great passer, and he really struggled in the pick-and-roll for G League Ignite. You don’t want to judge him too harshly for that because it’s an entirely new experience."

Trade Possible?: Maybe? Depends on Masai Ujiri committing to the org long term + if MLSE will allow him to be aggressive in acquiring veteran talent

5. Orlando Magic – Jonathan Kuminga, G/F, G-League Ignite, 18 years old

"I had Scottie Barnes here for the Orlando Magic until Kuminga had an encouraging shooting performance at the pre-draft activities. If that’s a sign of shooting development to come, there is zero reason to believe he’ll fall outside of the top 5 in this draft."

Trade Possible?: Maybe? Packaging 5+8 as the basis of a deal to move up

6. Oklahoma City Thunder – Scottie Barnes, F, Florida State, 19 years old

"He’s the perfect project for the Oklahoma City Thunder. We’ve seen their progress with someone like Lu Dort. And Barnes does have some good playmaking ability for others. If they can fix his shooting form and build him up, he’s going to be a great weapon for them down the road."

Trade Possible?: Maybe? because it's Sam Presti.

7. Golden State Warriors (via Minnesota) – Josh Giddey, G/F, Australia, 18 years old

"This is where the draft could go any way possible...Where the Warriors will really have to develop him is shooting the ball and playing on-ball defense...But he can keep the offense flowing, and the Warriors may not feel confident he’ll be around at No. 14 when they pick again."

Trade Possible?: Yes because packaging 7+14+Wiseman for a superstar trade

8. Orlando Magic (via Chicago) – Keon Johnson, G, Tennessee, 19 years old

"We already have Kuminga off the board to Orlando in this mock, so let’s give them the craziest athlete in the draft. If you haven’t watched Johnson dunk before, open a new tab and head to YouTube to check it out. "

Trade Possible?: Maybe? Packaging 5+8 as the basis of a deal to move up

9. Sacramento Kings – Kai Jones, C, Texas, 20 years old

"This is probably too high for Jones...He’s top 10 on my big board, and he fills a position the Kings have struggled to fill consistently, all the way back to selecting Willie Cauley-Stein in 2015...With Richaun Holmes hitting free agency, the Kings need a new big man."

Trade Possible?: Unlikely because they beed to add significant players (who could be who they pick at 9), but could also package the pick alongside Buddy Hield for help

10. New Orleans Pelicans – Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor, 22 years old

"There are a lot of disagreements when it comes to Mitchell. He could go as high as No. 7 to the Warriors or maybe he drops down to the bottom of the lottery...It’s a little difficult to project what this team might do here because we don’t know who their coach will be. But Mitchell fills a position of need here, especially if Lonzo Ball might exit in restricted free agency...Moses Moody or Jalen Johnson here could beef up the wing position for New Orleans, though I don’t really know if they fit as well as Mitchell."

Trade Possible?: Maybe? Pressure to win-now (for Zion) could make them move it for better pieces (Harper thought maybe Minnesota could be a partner because this could be how they trade into the 1st round)

11. Charlotte Hornets – James Bouknight, G, Connecticut, 20 years old

"I’m probably higher on Bouknight than most, but I know Sam Vecenie has him high on his big board. I love the idea of him next to LaMelo Ball over the next decade or so. The Hornets have a lot of guard depth, but I’m not sure they should go through another season of Devonte’ Graham shooting under 40 percent from the field."

Possible Trade: No because they could still accumulate more good, young talent

12. San Antonio Spurs – Jalen Johnson, F, Duke, 19 years old

"What I am buying is him bringing everything else he does on a court to San Antonio, and then the Spurs giving his shooting mechanics over to coach Chip Engelland. That feels like a match made in heaven for both sides...There are things to worry about with Johnson, but I’m not sure how many of them would be exposed in a competent organization...could end up with a young core that has Lonnie Walker IV, Dejounte Murray and Johnson in the mix."

Possible Trade: No because Spurs rarely make trades with their draft picks

13. Indiana Pacers – Franz Wagner, F, Michigan, 19 years old

It’s very possible Wagner doesn’t make it out of the top 10. Maybe New Orleans or Sacramento want his ability to play on both ends of the floor...Wagner will be a good forward to make the extra pass but that shot will need to prove to be lethal."

Possible Trade: No because GM Kevin Pritchard rarely make trades with their draft picks

14. Golden State Warriors – Moses Moody, G/F, Arkansas, 19 years old

"If he’s still around, I love the idea of Moody landing with the Warriors. Moody is such an impressive 3-and-D wing prospect"

Possible Trade: Yes because packaging 7+14+Wiseman for a superstar trade

15. Washington Wizards – Alperen Sengun, C, Turkey, 19 years old

"This feels low for Sengun, and he has a lot of draft buzz right now. He’s high on most draft boards. I’m putting him here with the Wizards because they’re going to need some big man depth...Sengun will be a great weapon for them moving forward and will likely be able to play next to Gafford if he’s the long term big man."

Possible Trade: Unlikely in case the Bradley Beal situation gets dire



Source: https://theathletic.com/2683296/2021/07/01/zach-harpers-nba-mock-draft-1-0-top-10-surprises-and-possible-trade-spots/

[The Truth #6]

Summary from the new article on The Athletic, only including top 15 because who cares after that:



Source: https://theathletic.com/2683296/2021/07/01/zach-harpers-nba-mock-draft-1-0-top-10-surprises-and-possible-trade-spots/

Good find. I’m skeptical of Jalen Johnson. Yikes. Definitely not the Jalen I want in the lottery. But if they draft him we have to trust their interview and research and assume they see a great talent. Brian Wright doesn’t seem to be interested in malcontents, I think, I hope.

[John B]

I’m warning up on Duarte because of the Klay vibes. But Yeah, I’d be happy with Jalen’s selection.

[Dejounte]

Good find. I’m skeptical of Jalen Johnson. Yikes. Definitely not the Jalen I want in the lottery. But if they draft him we have to trust their interview and research and assume they see a great talent. Brian Wright doesn’t seem to be interested in malcontents, I think, I hope.

They aren’t. Pop repeatedly boasted about having high character guys during the season helped them deal with the pandemic much easier.

[Mr. Body]

The Mavericks front office is a mess. One pick (Luka D) does not change that. Mark Cuban should receive the Donald Sterling treatment given the people he has allowed to work for him over the past 20 years. Some truly rotten people - especially the team president (Ursari) who was a true predator.

The Suns waited a LONG time for this moment in the Sun. I'm digging a Suns - Hawks/Bucks final. The TV ratings will be something to behold.

At least there is a one year break from the usual annoying creeps.

Just a reminder that Sarver sold like three of Phoenix's lottery picks in a row because he's a cheap-ass bastard.

[Mr. Body]

Good find. I’m skeptical of Jalen Johnson. Yikes. Definitely not the Jalen I want in the lottery. But if they draft him we have to trust their interview and research and assume they see a great talent. Brian Wright doesn’t seem to be interested in malcontents, I think, I hope.

The Athletic are fucking morons. There's no way on God's green earth the Spurs draft Jalen Johnson, who couldn't stand playing for Coach K and quit his college basketball team. That's not the only time he's quit a team, either. A franchise that had a high-profile quitter already? Ha. Fat fucking chance, Athletic. Go get your fucking shine box.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, I agree. I can’t see taking on quitters. Also, no way do they let Wagner or Moody go.

[Degoat]

Character issues may not be a problem if pop ain’t the coach anymore lol Dejounte Murray fell in the draft because of characters issues and we still selected him, yes having a high character is good and all but I think y’all maybe over stating it some.

[The Truth #6]

Character issues may not be a problem if pop ain’t the coach anymore lol Dejounte Murray fell in the draft because of characters issues and we still selected him, yes having a high character is good and all but I think y’all maybe over stating it some.

It sounds different than Dejounte’s grandma was the leader of the Seattle Crips, or Luka acted crazy while on his European team. Those actually do sound worse. But with JJ, it’s different but maybe worse in a different way: he’s flaky and a quitter. Installing motivation is difficult. Installing discipline is challenging but with millions of dollars involved can sometimes be easier. But we’ll see.

[R. DeMurre]

1 hour ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1524786/) – via James Ham @ Yahoo! Sports

(https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss)

Is Franz Wagner on the Kings’ radar? At least one NBA draft expert thinks it’s a done deal and Sacramento will select the Michigan forward with the No. 9 overall draft pick later this month. “I think Franz Wagner to the Kings seems like an inevitability,” Chad Ford said (https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss) during a recent episode of the Ryen Russillo podcast. “An Analytics driven front office with one of the top analytics guys, and frankly, a player that probably fits what they need.”

[rankingtear]

Character issues may not be a problem if pop ain’t the coach anymore lol Dejounte Murray fell in the draft because of characters issues and we still selected him, yes having a high character is good and all but I think y’all maybe over stating it some.

He also did not play hard and got benched because the team is much better without him.

[John B]

It sounds different than Dejounte’s grandma was the leader of the Seattle Crips, or Luka acted crazy while on his European team. Those actually do sound worse. But with JJ, it’s different but maybe worse in a different way: he’s flaky and a quitter. Installing motivation is difficult. Installing discipline is challenging but with millions of dollars involved can sometimes be easier. But we’ll see.

I can't fault him when he's trying to protect his stock from lowering further. The story is that he's nursing a foot injury. Coach K was starting to limit his minutes to 8mpg and would further hurt his stock. His coach couldn't guarantee the outcome of the draft. The kid made a decision for his future and family. It was a decision that he alone could make.

[The Truth #6]

I can't fault him when he's trying to protect his stock from lowering further. The story is that he's nursing a foot injury. Coach K was starting to limit his minutes to 8mpg and would further hurt his stock. His coach couldn't guarantee the outcome of the draft. The kid made a decision for his future and family. It was a decision that he alone could make.

Unfortunately, it sounds like his decisions are actually hurting his draft stock.

[rjv]

from what i've read, johnson didn't really wow anyone over with his combine interviews and this is probably the area that he was going to undergo the most scrutiny. if this is true, then i can easily see johnson becoming the player that is ranked high on the board but keeps dropping. so i think there is a strong chance that he will be available at 12. the johnson/duarte camps will be going at if this plays out where both would be available at 12.

[exstatic]

Character issues may not be a problem if pop ain’t the coach anymore lol Dejounte Murray fell in the draft because of characters issues and we still selected him, yes having a high character is good and all but I think y’all maybe over stating it some.

I wouldn’t take that to the bank.

DJ, AFAIK, was never arrested, or anything remotely like that. He was associating with some wrong people, but was put on the right track by mentors like Jamal Crawford. You never hear him called unmotivated or entitled, two words I would absolutely use on Jalen J.

[Dex]

I wouldn’t take that to the bank.

DJ, AFAIK, was never arrested, or anything remotely like that. He was associating with some wrong people, but was put on the right track by mentors like Jamal Crawford. You never hear him called unmotivated or entitled, two words I would absolutely use on Jalen J.

Also been a pretty good citizen and teammate since he arrived (except for maybe some questionable relationships with IG thots, but give the kid a break).

Character issues are obviously a red flag, but I wouldn't turn down a great talent for some previous mistakes. We all did stupid shit as kids (and some still do stupid shit as adults)

[Ocotillo]

Reading that Athletic mock, it just dawned on me we are drafting right ahead of Kevin Pritchard at Indiana. I have no idea who Pritchard wants but it would be sweet justice if the Spurs nabbed him right before he get's his shot. For those who are unclear about this, Pritchard nabbed a couple of guys the Spurs supposedly wanted back in his Portland days.

[Dejounte]

I can't fault him when he's trying to protect his stock from lowering further. The story is that he's nursing a foot injury. Coach K was starting to limit his minutes to 8mpg and would further hurt his stock. His coach couldn't guarantee the outcome of the draft. The kid made a decision for his future and family. It was a decision that he alone could make.


Sounds like Kawhi protecting his next max contract by not playing in the WCF. Yup, can’t fault him. :lmao

[exstatic]

Reading that Athletic mock, it just dawned on me we are drafting right ahead of Kevin Pritchard at Indiana. I have no idea who Pritchard wants but it would be sweet justice if the Spurs nabbed him right before he get's his shot. For those who are unclear about this, Pritchard nabbed a couple of guys the Spurs supposedly wanted back in his Portland days.
Definitely Nic Batum.

[Dejounte]

It sounds different than Dejounte’s grandma was the leader of the Seattle Crips, or Luka acted crazy while on his European team. Those actually do sound worse. But with JJ, it’s different but maybe worse in a different way: he’s flaky and a quitter. Installing motivation is difficult. Installing discipline is challenging but with millions of dollars involved can sometimes be easier. But we’ll see.

The environment is also much different now than five years ago. Back then, we still had the big 3 to mentor DJ. We don’t have that now. You just have to look the past three years what kind of guys the Spurs have been drafting. If we draft a ticking time bomb with no vet to support him, that bomb is going to explode. If you want Jalen, you probably want DeMar back.

[Ocotillo]

Definitely Nic Batum.

I recall Batum but thought there was also a second one, maybe mistaken though. Memory not that great and too lazy to look it up.

[rankingtear]

I wouldn’t take that to the bank.

DJ, AFAIK, was never arrested, or anything remotely like that. He was associating with some wrong people, but was put on the right track by mentors like Jamal Crawford. You never hear him called unmotivated or entitled, two words I would absolutely use on Jalen J.

He went to juvie.

[Degoat]

Rival teams could be putting out that Jalen Johnson didn’t interview well or that he has to many red flags in hopes that he falls to them, I’m not saying he’s the guy the spurs should draft but he is intriguing tho.

[Degoat]

The environment is also much different now than five years ago. Back then, we still had the big 3 to mentor DJ. We don’t have that now. You just have to look the past three years what kind of guys the Spurs have been drafting. If we draft a ticking time bomb with no vet to support him, that bomb is going to explode. If you want Jalen, you probably want DeMar back.

I could be wrong but I think the spurs are bringing Demar back tbh, the young guys love him. Keldon said he called Demar as soon as he got the news that he was going to be on the USA select team

[rankingtear]

Rival teams could be putting out that Jalen Johnson didn’t interview well or that he has to many red flags in hopes that he falls to them, I’m not saying he’s the guy the spurs should draft but he is intriguing tho.

Badmouthing the player you want to draft? That is extremely stupid.

[Kurik]

Badmouthing the player you want to draft? That is extremely stupid.

Wouldn’t be the first time a NBA team or agent has done something stupid/shady.

[exstatic]

Rival teams could be putting out that Jalen Johnson didn’t interview well or that he has to many red flags in hopes that he falls to them, I’m not saying he’s the guy the spurs should draft but he is intriguing tho.

It’s not just the interviews. There are two instances of him literally walking away from a team. The interviews could have maybe helped. I’m sure as a lottery team, the Spurs probably interviewed him, and will draw their own conclusions.

[exstatic]

Badmouthing the player you want to draft? That is extremely stupid.

The Spurs worked with Batums agent to plant the rumor that he had a heart condition, and teams were denied his medical records.

[TD 21]

It's not as prevalent as the Pokusevski rumors last season, but I've heard the Thunder are interested in Jackson.

They seemingly loom as a possible Sengun destination too, with 6 (probably a reach) and also 16 and 18 to package. They have no centers and like any non glamor market, should be particularly interested in international players with conceivable star potential.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/mikeascotto/status/1411007559218216962?s=21

draft the man.

[spurspl]

if duarte goes to atlanta there will be a new splash brothers in the league

[slick'81]

Give me chris duarte of give me death:lobt: i dont care if hes almost as old as dejounte murray

[Eaglenole2002]

I listened to Chad Ford’s podcast and he linked the Spurs to Isaiah Jackson.

[rjv]

I listened to Chad Ford’s podcast and he linked the Spurs to Isaiah Jackson.

i'm sure that's hearsay and nothing solid. i wouldn't be too thrilled about that pick, btw.

[Mr. Body]

Character issues may not be a problem if pop ain’t the coach anymore lol Dejounte Murray fell in the draft because of characters issues and we still selected him, yes having a high character is good and all but I think y’all maybe over stating it some.

Yes, draft a guy who quits on every team he's on. Draft him to a franchise that has trouble attracting talent to a small market in the first place. You're a fucking genius.

[Mr. Body]

1 hour ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1524786/) – via James Ham @ Yahoo! Sports

(https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss)

Is Franz Wagner on the Kings’ radar? At least one NBA draft expert thinks it’s a done deal and Sacramento will select the Michigan forward with the No. 9 overall draft pick later this month. “I think Franz Wagner to the Kings seems like an inevitability,” Chad Ford said (https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss) during a recent episode of the Ryen Russillo podcast. “An Analytics driven front office with one of the top analytics guys, and frankly, a player that probably fits what they need.”

Really sucks to see a talented player get sucked up by a nightmare of a franchise.

[Mr. Body]

I listened to Chad Ford’s podcast and he linked the Spurs to Isaiah Jackson.

That would be a stupid pick. It's a smokescreen if anything.

[slick'81]

1 hour ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1524786/) – via James Ham @ Yahoo! Sports

(https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss)

Is Franz Wagner on the Kings’ radar? At least one NBA draft expert thinks it’s a done deal and Sacramento will select the Michigan forward with the No. 9 overall draft pick later this month. “I think Franz Wagner to the Kings seems like an inevitability,” Chad Ford said (https://sports.yahoo.com/kings-drafting-franz-wagner-inevitability-043800990.html?src=rss) during a recent episode of the Ryen Russillo podcast. “An Analytics driven front office with one of the top analytics guys, and frankly, a player that probably fits what they need.”


Fck you sacto! First halliburton and now my boy franz

[ginobilized]

https://twitter.com/mikeascotto/status/1411007559218216962?s=21

draft the man.

Damn, you have swayed me. He's a nice player and I could see it work for SA, especially well with the strong Hispanic community. I also feel like anything could happen on draft day, trading up, trading back, trading the pick altogether.
Couple of questions Dejounte:
Is there another team that might want him higher than us in the order?
Who are your #s 2, 3,,4 & 5 at this point?
Are you Dejounte Murray?

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/BfbLI0-NkFU

look, I understand his defense is good, but his offense is borderline non-existent. He’s like a homeless man’s version of Dieng on that end. Before anyone says “but he can grow his offense like kawhi…” dude, come on now.

[Dejounte]

Damn, you have swayed me. He's a nice player and I could see it work for SA, especially well with the strong Hispanic community. I also feel like anything could happen on draft day, trading up, trading back, trading the pick altogether.
Couple of questions Dejounte:
Is there another team that might want him higher than us in the order?
Who are your #s 2, 3,,4 & 5 at this point?
Are you Dejounte Murray?

no, I’m not Murray

no one is going to take Duarte before the Spurs at #12

i usually group the guys I want in the draft by tiers, but if I had a gun to my head:

1. Wagner
2. Duarte
3. Moody
4. Giddey
5. Jeremiah Robinson Earl

this list is subject to change almost semi-monthly… but I think it’s close to being the final product.

trading down for two picks seems really favorable at this point, at least for my preferences.

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/BfbLI0-NkFU

look, I understand his defense is good, but his offense is borderline non-existent. He’s like a homeless man’s version of Dieng on that end. Before anyone says “but he can grow his offense like kawhi…” dude, come on now.

We already passed on Precious Achiuwa last year.

[Dejounte]

We already passed on Precious Achiuwa last year.

at least Precious can pretend he can drive to the hoop. This guy is slow as molasses and relies on using his strength to bully his man to get to the rim. That’s not going to work in the NBA where you have speedy guards coming from your blind spot for the steal.

[Degoat]

Yes, draft a guy who quits on every team he's on. Draft him to a franchise that has trouble attracting talent to a small market in the first place. You're a fucking genius.

Do you not believe that people mature or change? Lmao you can’t hold the past against the guy he’s a kid still. At pick #12 there’s not gonna be a perfect prospect, I trust that the spurs are doing their due diligence on everyone to see how they could fit on the team

[Mr. Body]

Do you not believe that people mature or change? Lmao you can’t hold the past against the guy he’s a kid still. At pick #12 there’s not gonna be a perfect prospect, I trust that the spurs are doing their due diligence on everyone to see how they could fit on the team

Thank God you're not the GM of the Spurs.

[Degoat]

Thank God you're not the GM of the Spurs.

Yes thank God, fans on a team website are discussing and analyzing potential prospects in the upcoming NBA draft. Go fuck a duck sir

[John B]

Yes thank God, fans on a team website are discussing and analyzing potential prospects in the upcoming NBA draft. Go fuck a duck sir

I'd pick Jalen for his Star potential. Nobody wins ballgames on congeniality.

And I'd trade a player to get Duarte too :ihit

Nothing is sure about any players. Zion on his 3rd year already wants out of New Orleans. Likewise Mitchell.

If a Jalen's caliber lands on 12th, heck I'd pick him up.

[cd021]

https://youtu.be/BfbLI0-NkFU

look, I understand his defense is good, but his offense is borderline non-existent. He’s like a homeless man’s version of Dieng on that end. Before anyone says “but he can grow his offense like kawhi…” dude, come on now.

The thing that stood out to me is that he's actually not very explosive, so he's not really a lob threat on offense. I'm not a fan.

[Degoat]

I'd pick Jalen for his Star potential. Nobody wins ballgames on congeniality.

And I'd trade a player to get Duarte too :ihit

Nothing is sure about any players. Zion on his 3rd year already wants out of New Orleans. Likewise Mitchell.

If a Jalen's caliber lands on 12th, heck I'd pick him up.

That would be awesome imo! Duarte is growing on me more & more, I just wonder what it mean for Lonnie’s future

[cd021]

i'm sure that's hearsay and nothing solid. i wouldn't be too thrilled about that pick, btw.


That would be a stupid pick. It's a smokescreen if anything.

Unless I'm missing something, he's actually a really solid prospect. Athletic 6'10 big, 19 years old, with a reported 7'5 wingspan. Great shot blocker and surprisingly skilled offensively, with quick first step in face-ups and an excellent finisher around the basket. Good lob threat and has pretty good mechanics on his shot.

[John B]

That would be awesome imo! Duarte is growing on me more & more, I just wonder what it mean for Lonnie’s future

I like Lonnie. But if that's what it would take to get Duarte? I'd throw in Lonnie too.
I'm getting that Klay Thompson vibes on this kid. And Spurs desperately need that pure shooter. Heck at 24 yrs old, he can start at SG :lol

[Mr. Body]

I'd pick Jalen for his Star potential. Nobody wins ballgames on congeniality.

His issue isn't congeniality. :lol

It's actually showing up.

You want to waste a lottery pick and guaranteed millions of dollars on a dude who couldn't bear playing for Coach K and quit. Fuck, he couldn't even stand playing high school basketball and quit. :lol

And you want to use a draft pick on him. :lol

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[Mr. Body]

Unless I'm missing something, he's actually a really solid prospect. Athletic 6'10 big, 19 years old, with a reported 7'5 wingspan. Great shot blocker and surprisingly skilled offensively, with quick first step in face-ups and an excellent finisher around the basket. Good lob threat and has pretty good mechanics on his shot.

You'd use a lottery pick on a guy who might have a chance of becoming Nerlens Noel?

[exstatic]

Do you not believe that people mature or change? Lmao you can’t hold the past against the guy he’s a kid still. At pick #12 there’s not gonna be a perfect prospect, I trust that the spurs are doing their due diligence on everyone to see how they could fit on the team

It’s been less than 5 months since he walked out on Duke.

A leopard doesn’t change his spots.

[Degoat]

It’s been less than 5 months since he walked out on Duke.

A leopard doesn’t change his spots.

Yeah so he could prepare for the NBA draft lol college players do that now, holding things against him while he was in college is stupid, Wait until he’s a professional to judge him

[Uriel]

Jalen Johnson seems like this year’s Patrick Williams—the guy ESPN and The Athletic will have as the Spurs’ pick in all their mocks until the day before the draft, when he magically jumps into the top 5.

[cd021]

You'd use a lottery pick on a guy who might have a chance of becoming Nerlens Noel?
People are taking about taking Kai Jones 12th, Jacksons seems every bit as talented and probably a better offensive player. Jackson looks like he could be a legit interior scorer.

[Uriel]

I hope the Spurs go with a full-on youth movement this summer and somehow pry Collins from Atlanta. In this dream scenario, our lineup could look like this:

C: Poeltl / Eubanks
PF: Collins / Samanic / Wagner(?)
SF: Johnson / Vassell / Bates-Diop
SG: White / Walker / Weatherspoon
PG: Murray / Jones

Depending on how well our youngsters develop, that team may or may not make the playoffs next season. But if it stays together, it has the potential to be an elite team in 4-5 years.

[cd021]

Give me chris duarte of give me death:lobt: i dont care if hes almost as old as dejounte murray

Are people seriously talking about the Spurs taking him 12th? I've been out of the loop for a minute but damn. Guy is 24.

[cd021]

I hope the Spurs go with a full-on youth movement this summer and somehow pry Collins from Atlanta. In this dream scenario, our lineup could look like this:

C: Poeltl / Eubanks
PF: Collins / Samanic / Wagner(?)
SF: Johnson / Vassell / Bates-Diop
SG: White / Walker / Weatherspoon
PG: Murray / Jones

Depending on how well our youngsters develop, that team may or may not make the playoffs for next season. But if it stays together, it has the potential to be an elite team in 3-4 years.

Spurs would most likely have to sign and trade for Collins so that probably takes Walker and White off that roster.

[slick'81]

Are people seriously talking about the Spurs taking him 12th? I've been out of the loop for a minute but damn. Guy is 24.


I think dejounte has brainwashed peeps into believing the hype. His lack of athleticism/wingspan and overall one on one defense is concerning. Still weve heard everyhting from manu/klay comparisons,and future all star . Kid can shoot atleast

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/NofOLpcuGY8

you just have to erase from your mind that he’s 24, and take the time to watch him. 90% of the players in this draft won’t get to his level when they turn 24. Hell, Lonnie is a year and a half from it and he’s nowhere close. Sometimes the smart choice is the obvious choice. People like to gamble on purely the theoretical future of a player, place the utmost optimistic scenario for said player, and in 3-4 years when that player hasn’t met their potential, forget all about them. How many people forget they were so sure about Rui Hachimura being the next Kawhi Leonard? Duarte is the real deal, right now.

[PhantomDashCam]

Are people seriously talking about the Spurs taking him 12th? I've been out of the loop for a minute but damn. Guy is 24.


Yeah I agree. If you think he's the best BPA (when taking into account all best/realistic projections), go for it.

I think Duarte is a good player btw.
However, it's not like he was dominating teams as a Junior, (at 23 years of age I might add).
I would strongly argue their are better long term investments than someone who will want to play for a contender at the end of his rookie contract.

He's unlikely to play ahead of DJ, D. White, KJ and Vassell in his first two years.

I'm always a little wary of Seniors that feel they're going to come into the NBA and dominate right away...

[Kurik]

I like Duarte but not at 12. If the Spurs do draft him, he'll play in a handful of games just like White did his first year. Unless Lonnie or someone else is shipped out, I don't see him getting much playing time until he's 25.

[slick'81]

I like Duarte but not at 12. If the Spurs do draft him, he'll play in a handful of games just like White did his first year. Unless Lonnie or someone else is shipped out, I don't see him getting much playing time until he's 25.

We have enough sg. They mostly cant shoot but we got em in spades. Still holding out hope for a sf/pf type

[Prime BEEF]

I like Duarte but not at 12. If the Spurs do draft him, he'll play in a handful of games just like White did his first year. Unless Lonnie or someone else is shipped out, I don't see him getting much playing time until he's 25.
I think Duarte is better right now than Walker and Vassell. If he gets picked it should not be to sit behind those other guys. That would be wasting his talent and the pick. Might as well just pick a high risk high reward developmental guy if that’s the case.

[exstatic]

Yeah so he could prepare for the NBA draft lol college players do that now, holding things against him while he was in college is stupid, Wait until he’s a professional to judge him

They don’t leave in the middle of the fucking season. Find even one other potential draftee in this class who bailed after only 13 games.

[Degoat]

They don’t leave in the middle of the fucking season. Find even one other potential draftee in this class who bailed after only 13 games.

If it’s better for their draft stock they have every right to choose what’s best for their future, last years college season was a joke with the pandemic still going on. How many guys opted out of playing in the NBA bubble last season, you could say they quit on their team to just to avoid injury, it doesn’t mean they’re quitters or have bad character.

[Chinook]

I think folks are overlooking the level of competition in college. It's lower than the d-league. Not talking against Duarte really, but Walker would be one of the best players in the nation if he were able to go back to school, and Vassell would also dominate.

[Dejounte]

People keep mentioning Klay as a comparison for Duarte— I think that’s wrong. Duarte has advanced dribbling skills, Klay rarely makes a dribble move between his legs. He’s got hesitation moves. He’s got jab steps. Duarte have it all.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1411123745096404994?s=20

Again, not sure what this means for his stock or how other teams are expected to gather up to date intel if he doesn’t play.
Recency bias will def. come into play.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Reading that Athletic mock, it just dawned on me we are drafting right ahead of Kevin Pritchard at Indiana. I have no idea who Pritchard wants but it would be sweet justice if the Spurs nabbed him right before he get's his shot. For those who are unclear about this, Pritchard nabbed a couple of guys the Spurs supposedly wanted back in his Portland days.


Definitely Nic Batum.


I recall Batum but thought there was also a second one, maybe mistaken though. Memory not that great and too lazy to look it up.

I'm the 2008 draft the Spurs were interested in Batum and Ibaka. Both were still available with only Seattle and Portland ahead of us waiting to pick.
Unfortunately for the Spurs, two of their former front office people had taken over the GM positions of Seattle and Portland. Pritchard at Portland and Presti at Seattle knew who we liked and wanted. Presti drafted Ibaca and Pritchard drafted Batum. We got George Hill as the consolidation prize. e

[EricB]

Yeah so he could prepare for the NBA draft lol college players do that now, holding things against him while he was in college is stupid, Wait until he’s a professional to judge him


he did it in high school too. He’s unreliable.

[EricB]

People keep mentioning Klay as a comparison for Duarte— I think that’s wrong. Duarte has advanced dribbling skills, Klay rarely makes a dribble move between his legs. He’s got hesitation moves. He’s got jab steps. Duarte have it all.


when you watch him out there, his game is very Klay esque. His shooting form as well.

[Mr. Body]

I think folks are overlooking the level of competition in college. It's lower than the d-league. Not talking against Duarte really, but Walker would be one of the best players in the nation if he were able to go back to school, and Vassell would also dominate.

Good college teams are better than the D-League.

[The Truth #6]

The Duarte love is starting to feel a little over exuberant, but hey, I have said upperclassmen are underrated and overlooked at times, and this is probably one of them. And I’d love for a player to jump in and play. And if this forces the FO to trade one of DJ, White, or Lonnie to balance the roster, then great.

But then I think, if drafting Duarte necessitates trading one of our other young guards, then why not consider trading them to swap picks and move up? Doesn’t have to go that way, but it does raise a lot of possibilities.

[Chinook]

Good college teams are better than the D-League.

No, they're not. Not even close.

[RVSTX]

https://youtu.be/W2sUFt0WCsI

duarte says he will have a workout july 6 with the spurs.

gs interested in him at 14, will spurs return the favor by picking him at 12? remember sa wanted klay and gs got him at 11 that year...

[Mr. Body]

No, they're not. Not even close.

Yes, they are. You're overrating D-League quite badly. Gonzaga or Baylor would have roughed up most D-League teams. You don't understand the value of a well-coached, cohesive unit.

[Mr. Body]

The Duarte love is starting to feel a little over exuberant, but hey, I have said upperclassmen are underrated and overlooked at times, and this is probably one of them. And I’d love for a player to jump in and play. And if this forces the FO to trade one of DJ, White, or Lonnie to balance the roster, then great.

But then I think, if drafting Duarte necessitates trading one of our other young guards, then why not consider trading them to swap picks and move up? Doesn’t have to go that way, but it does raise a lot of possibilities.

It's as much because most players coming out of the draft at this range are underwhelming and underprepared. With Duarte you have a guy who is much better all-around than most anybody in the round. Bouknight, Moody, question marks. Kai Jones, way more than question marks. Plus Duarte has a lot of the other things the team needs in terms of personality and intangibles.

[alfahdlan]

Imagine a backcourt with DJ and this guy @ just 20 yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYbGPL-BCKI

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yes, they are. You're overrating D-League quite badly. Gonzaga or Baylor would have roughed up most D-League teams. You don't understand the value of a well-coached, cohesive unit.

Gonzaga and Baylor would lose by 30+ against the average g league team. College level is very low.

What’s next though? College better than euroleague?

[cd021]

https://youtu.be/NofOLpcuGY8

you just have to erase from your mind that he’s 24, and take the time to watch him. 90% of the players in this draft won’t get to his level when they turn 24. Hell, Lonnie is a year and a half from it and he’s nowhere close. Sometimes the smart choice is the obvious choice. People like to gamble on purely the theoretical future of a player, place the utmost optimistic scenario for said player, and in 3-4 years when that player hasn’t met their potential, forget all about them. How many people forget they were so sure about Rui Hachimura being the next Kawhi Leonard? Duarte is the real deal, right now.

Why would I erase the fact that he's 24? That's a huge deal. Most Spurs rookies don't play so he'd be 25 before he'd likely even play. There are prospects with higher upsides that are also significantly younger that I like more.

He'd make a lot more since as a pick in the 20's tbh

[cd021]

https://youtu.be/W2sUFt0WCsI

duarte says he will have a workout july 6 with the spurs.

gs interested in him at 14, will spurs return the favor by picking him at 12? remember sa wanted klay and gs got him at 11 that year...

He'd make sense for GS at 14, they're looking to contend next season. Not so much for the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Yes, they are. You're overrating D-League quite badly. Gonzaga or Baylor would have roughed up most D-League teams. You don't understand the value of a well-coached, cohesive unit.

Nah. On pure talent alone the d-league team is so far ahead. It's like how the USANT wins gold even if they bring their C team. The international teams are well coached, know the rules better and have some legit or even star NBA players. But everyone on the USANT is a star NBA player, the difference is obvious, even though the USANT is basically learning to walk for the whole tournament since every squad is radically different.

Even on the best college teams, most of the players are good enough to play in the d-league. The guys who will be solid or star NBA players are still basically kids going against grown men. In seven-game series, the d-league team would win every time (outside of like injuries).

The ranking for US leagues goes:

NBA
Summer League
D-League
NCAA (with its internal stratification)

[The Truth #6]

It's as much because most players coming out of the draft at this range are underwhelming and underprepared. With Duarte you have a guy who is much better all-around than most anybody in the round. Bouknight, Moody, question marks. Kai Jones, way more than question marks. Plus Duarte has a lot of the other things the team needs in terms of personality and intangibles.

I get all that. About a month ago I think I was the first one who suggested taking him with our first pick because his game doesn’t have glaring holes like many players. The reaction was to trade back for him. My thought was he was likely this year’s Desmond Bane. To me he’s a safe pick more than he promises upside of Klay Thompson.

At that time I also wondered why people were sleeping on Jeremiah Earl Robinson when he seemed like a more affordable version of Wagner.

So yes, as I’ve gotten older I prefer the safer pick, in part because waiting three years for a rookie to play, especially during a rebuild, is way too frustrating for me.

[Mnky]

Duarte definitely has a smooth looking shot but too many people are watching highlights only. He has big decision making issues, but maybe it's more of a take a risk type mentality like Manu had. I'm not sure yet.


What he doesn't have, is Manus passing. I've never seen a player throw a pass into the stands more than Duarte. Its perplexing. His defense leaves a lot to want as well. He often simply doesn't seem to understand how to play that side of the ball. He shows flashes of being able to, but at 24, why does he seem so immature on that side of the ball? Maybe because his team leaned on him so much on offense, he wouldn't have energy for defense? I'm not sure.

Kid definitely has the klay like jumper and it hardly touches anything but net when he's in rhythm.

I don't care about age outside of you should probably have maturity and understanding on both sides of the ball. When watching him, it feels like he's a lot younger and not for a good reason.

Just some red flags here and there that don't leave me loving him at 12 with other possible viable players with a better overall game and younger. If he ends up being a 50 percent 3 pt shooter, nothing else he does will matter as much. It's good to note he excels as a system shooter. All those open shots our team passes up, he would gladly let them fly, as he should.

This will be an exciting draft to see unfold.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/W2sUFt0WCsI

duarte says he will have a workout july 6 with the spurs.

gs interested in him at 14, will spurs return the favor by picking him at 12? remember sa wanted klay and gs got him at 11 that year...


holy shit!! Our spanish speakers coming through!! Big props to you, my man

Edit: It doesn't seem like he'll be available after the 18th pick.

[Dejounte]

Why would I erase the fact that he's 24? That's a huge deal. Most Spurs rookies don't play so he'd be 25 before he'd likely even play. There are prospects with higher upsides that are also significantly younger that I like more.

He'd make a lot more since as a pick in the 20's tbh

So you didn’t bother to watch him play. Got it.

[Dejounte]

Duarte definitely has a smooth looking shot but too many people are watching highlights only. He has big decision making issues, but maybe it's more of a take a risk type mentality like Manu had. I'm not sure yet.


What he doesn't have, is Manus passing. I've never seen a player throw a pass into the stands more than Duarte. Its perplexing. His defense leaves a lot to want as well. He often simply doesn't seem to understand how to play that side of the ball. He shows flashes of being able to, but at 24, why does he seem so immature on that side of the ball? Maybe because his team leaned on him so much on offense, he wouldn't have energy for defense? I'm not sure.

Kid definitely has the klay like jumper and it hardly touches anything but net when he's in rhythm.

I don't care about age outside of you should probably have maturity and understanding on both sides of the ball. When watching him, it feels like he's a lot younger and not for a good reason.

Just some red flags here and there that don't leave me loving him at 12 with other possible viable players with a better overall game and younger. If he ends up being a 50 percent 3 pt shooter, nothing else he does will matter as much. It's good to note he excels as a system shooter. All those open shots our team passes up, he would gladly let them fly, as he should.

This will be an exciting draft to see unfold.

The video I've posted earlier contained 50% lowlights.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smdpq8GCALU

Here's a full game for people's reference.

IMO, Manu himself didn't develop his passing until later in his career.

People ignoring his ball handling ability is perplexing to me. I get the shot comparisons with Klay, but everything else? Nope.

[Dejounte]

Known interviews:


Keon Johnson*
Kai Jones*
Corey Kispert*
LJ Figueroa*



Known workouts:



Josh Primo
Trey Murphy III
Joe Wieskamp
Austin Reaves

Yves Pons
Ethan Thompson
Chris Duarte

MaCio Teague

[jjspur]

Known interviews:


Keon Johnson*
Kai Jones*
Corey Kispert*
LJ Figueroa*



Known workouts:



Josh Primo
Trey Murphy III
Joe Wieskamp
Austin Reaves
Yves Pons
Ethan Thompson
Chris Duarte
MaCio Teague



If the spurs draft a forward or guard at 12 they will probably go for a big at 41. We still have 50 million to spend in free agency so it really also depends on whom they may target in free agency as well. The more you think about it, the more possibilities appear which make the decision on whom to draft more complex.

[R. DeMurre]

Jalen Johnson is such an interesting case. There was obviously something odd & combative going on between him & Coach K. In JJ's first game at Duke he went off for 19 points, 19 rebounds, 5 assists, & 4 blocks while shooting 100% from the field. He plays 35 minutes, and they win. Next two games, he plays 22 and 15 minutes. He plays sparingly in more games. When he finally gets big minutes again in game #9 against Pittsburgh, he produces 24 points, 16 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and 2 steals. I don't know exactly what the issues were, and he does seem a little defensive and off in interviews sometimes, but man, when he gets minutes he sure does seem incredibly productive. I know there were supposedly issues in high school too, but he did also win his high school state championship with a 20/20 game. I just can't really get a very full sense of his personality from the limited interviews available online. But, hell, if he gets his head screwed on straight (assuming it's not, as so many reports seem to indicate), he might be as good as Cade Cunningham. I hope the kid can get it all figured out, because his game is impressive.

[cd021]

So you didn’t bother to watch him play. Got it.
No I did, I just don't see any reason why someone would want the Spurs to take him 12th. There are prospects that are a lot younger with higher upsides that I prefer. If we had another pick in the twenties, then sure.

[exstatic]

Jalen Johnson is such an interesting case. There was obviously something odd & combative going on between him & Coach K. In JJ's first game at Duke he went off for 19 points, 19 rebounds, 5 assists, & 4 blocks while shooting 100% from the field. He plays 35 minutes, and they win. Next two games, he plays 22 and 15 minutes. He plays sparingly in more games. When he finally gets big minutes again in game #9 against Pittsburgh, he produces 24 points, 16 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and 2 steals. I don't know exactly what the issues were, and he does seem a little defensive and off in interviews sometimes, but man, when he gets minutes he sure does seem incredibly productive. I know there were supposedly issues in high school too, but he did also win his high school state championship with a 20/20 game. I just can't really get a very full sense of his personality from the limited interviews available online. But, hell, if he gets his head screwed on straight (assuming it's not, as so many reports seem to indicate), he might be as good as Cade Cunningham. I hope the kid can get it all figured out, because his game is impressive.

That WOW game was against Coppin State. The next few games were against better competition, Michigan State being one of them.

His HS issues weren’t with the school he won the state championship with. He had enrolled with one of those basketball magnet schools for his senior year, and quit without playing a game.

[stnick2261]

I never understand how people can make a statement "I'm concerned about his lack of athleticism, but he's very Manu-esque". Manu was basically unknown at his draft and was picked simply because he was the most athletic of the remaining draftees.

[John B]

Jalen Johnson is such an interesting case. There was obviously something odd & combative going on between him & Coach K. In JJ's first game at Duke he went off for 19 points, 19 rebounds, 5 assists, & 4 blocks while shooting 100% from the field. He plays 35 minutes, and they win. Next two games, he plays 22 and 15 minutes. He plays sparingly in more games. When he finally gets big minutes again in game #9 against Pittsburgh, he produces 24 points, 16 rebounds, 7 assists, 4 blocks, and 2 steals. I don't know exactly what the issues were, and he does seem a little defensive and off in interviews sometimes, but man, when he gets minutes he sure does seem incredibly productive. I know there were supposedly issues in high school too, but he did also win his high school state championship with a 20/20 game. I just can't really get a very full sense of his personality from the limited interviews available online. But, hell, if he gets his head screwed on straight (assuming it's not, as so many reports seem to indicate), he might be as good as Cade Cunningham. I hope the kid can get it all figured out, because his game is impressive.

It’s hard to pass up his Star potential when he gets some stability. And hopefully the Spurs can give him that as their Star player. And Spurs desperately need a Star player to build around. I really hope he’s available at 12th and the Spurs would give him a chance.

[Biggems]

Did anyone follow Seton Hall? I am curious about F Sandro Mamukelashvili. I know he is 6'11, has good handles for a guy his size, can pass well, and has 3 pt range. However, I don't want to rely on highlight videos. How good is his D? Can he play D on the perimeter and/or on the low block? How is his rebounding? Is he foul and/or turnover prone?

[PhantomDashCam]

Did anyone follow Seton Hall? I am curious about F Sandro Mamukelashvili. I know he is 6'11, has good handles for a guy his size, can pass well, and has 3 pt range. However, I don't want to rely on highlight videos. How good is his D? Can he play D on the perimeter and/or on the low block? How is his rebounding? Is he foul and/or turnover prone?

I only know rudimentary info. about him atm.
He’s scheduled for a big workout soon with plenty of his peers.
Will be the last real measuring stick before the draft.
I’d keep an ear out to how he performs. All those guys have legit chances of being drafted in the 2nd round it would seem.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1411030584512630789?s=20

[R. DeMurre]

That WOW game was against Coppin State. The next few games were against better competition, Michigan State being one of them.

His HS issues weren’t with the school he won the state championship with. He had enrolled with one of those basketball magnet schools for his senior year, and quit without playing a game.

I understand... I guess my point is that all of the "info" on his "issues" is pretty foggy, and made up mostly of secondhand gossip and rumor. I don't really know anything about what his specific personality quirks actually are. For example, on the surface of it, if he left a magnet program and then went to a school that won the State Championship, couldn't that be construed as a good decision rather than a bad one? I honestly don't know, but also don't feel inclined to necessarily believe internet gossip on the topic. Tankathon has him at #6 on their Big Board, and I think they tend to have a good eye for talent on that site.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1411373756707180545

[Mr. Body]

Gonzaga and Baylor would lose by 30+ against the average g league team. College level is very low.

What’s next though? College better than euroleague?

Lol, Euroleague is better.

Most D-League is just a collection of marginal pros after their own points and stats with some guidance by a coach. There is very little cohesion in play on either side of the ball. A good college team beats them most of the time, if not all of the time. Remember that the top players on the top college teams will be drafted higher than any D-League players ever were.

I mean, this ain't pickup basketball. A cohesive team with good players beats a collection of mercs all the time.

[Mr. Body]

That WOW game was against Coppin State. The next few games were against better competition, Michigan State being one of them.

His HS issues weren’t with the school he won the state championship with. He had enrolled with one of those basketball magnet schools for his senior year, and quit without playing a game.

I see Jalen Johnson dropping to a point where a team feels the incredible risk of spending a high draft pick and guaranteed money balances with the high likelihood that he's a Royce White-type flake (if different) and will never play a game, or very few. Could be one of the teams with more than one pick. After he's drafted, who knows. Maybe he's great, but he hasn't shown an ability to make his case with interviews. I understand he's young, but there are massive warning signs for a huge outlay in resources. So, I see him drop.

[Biggems]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1411373756707180545

Brought him up last week. He is one of my favorite prospects.

[Biggems]

Lol, Euroleague is better.

Most D-League is just a collection of marginal pros after their own points and stats with some guidance by a coach. There is very little cohesion in play on either side of the ball. A good college team beats them most of the time, if not all of the time. Remember that the top players on the top college teams will be drafted higher than any D-League players ever were.

I mean, this ain't pickup basketball. A cohesive team with good players beats a collection of mercs all the time.

Unless that collection of mercs is the original dream team

[Mr. Body]

I understand... I guess my point is that all of the "info" on his "issues" is pretty foggy, and made up mostly of secondhand gossip and rumor. I don't really know anything about what his specific personality quirks actually are. For example, on the surface of it, if he left a magnet program and then went to a school that won the State Championship, couldn't that be construed as a good decision rather than a bad one? I honestly don't know, but also don't feel inclined to necessarily believe internet gossip on the topic. Tankathon has him at #6 on their Big Board, and I think they tend to have a good eye for talent on that site.

At the end of the day, the teams have avenues to explore player character better than any of us. Pop can call up Coach K or whoever and get the skinny on what actually happened. If Duke says he's a good kid with some screws loose, maybe they pick him. If they say stay the fuck away, they'll not.

[pad300]

...

Most D-League is just a collection of marginal pros after their own points and stats with some guidance by a coach. There is very little cohesion in play on either side of the ball. A good college team beats them most of the time, if not all of the time. Remember that the top players on the top college teams will be drafted higher than any D-League players ever were.

I mean, this ain't pickup basketball. A cohesive team with good players beats a collection of mercs all the time.

The issue you are seeing here is the difference in objectives between a G-league team and college team. The college team is being run to get wins in the short term (and thus get into March Madness) so the school makes money off the program. The G league team is there to develop the players sent down by the owning NBA team. So the G-league team runs sets focused to let 1 or 2 players (the guys sent down) to get reps in specific situations, and they run them over and over and over again. Even when they aren't working; the idea is to let the player figure it out. Whereas the college team is running whatever tricky stuff the coach can dream up... But if a g-league team and a college team played, with both sides primary objective being to win the game, the g-league team is going to win. The skill and physical ability of the average G-league player is quite a bit better than the average college player.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Yes, they are. You're overrating D-League quite badly. Gonzaga or Baylor would have roughed up most D-League teams. You don't understand the value of a well-coached, cohesive unit.

No way college team beat the d-leagues. Not even lose. Just like NBA teams cannot beat NBA all-star team.

[Biggems]

OKC has the most draft capital. They have 6 picks, 3 in each round......including 3 of the top 18. Of course, their roster is pure shit right now, so they need all the prospects they can get. Still, it would be nice if we could figure out a way to get two of the picks in a trade, one in each round, without losing any of our picks. I just don't feel like we really have much to offer for them to do so.

It would be nice if the NBA would allow FA to start on July 1. Then, by the time the draft comes around in late July, many of the teams will have a better handle on their rosters.

[Mr. Body]

No way college team beat the d-leagues. Not even lose. Just like NBA teams cannot beat NBA all-star team.

Of course an NBA team could beat an NBA all-star team. A college team beat the USA Dream Team. This isn't EA Sports video games.

[Mr. Body]

OKC has the most draft capital. They have 6 picks, 3 in each round......including 3 of the top 18. Of course, their roster is pure shit right now, so they need all the prospects they can get. Still, it would be nice if we could figure out a way to get two of the picks in a trade, one in each round, without losing any of our picks. I just don't feel like we really have much to offer for them to do so.

It would be nice if the NBA would allow FA to start on July 1. Then, by the time the draft comes around in late July, many of the teams will have a better handle on their rosters.

The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Of course an NBA team could beat an NBA all-star team. A college team beat the USA Dream Team. This isn't EA Sports video games.

Yes sir. You're right. college teams can beat G-league teams! one out of 10 times?. When the D-leagues are tired of beating college teams 9 times and have no more motivation, college boys will win one game. A high school team can do that too. Maybe 1 out of 30 times?

[Dejounte]

Debating the level of competition is a horse that’s been beaten to death so many times. It’s a hypothetical that is irrelevant since it will never be tested out. Way too many variables to come to any conclusion.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2021/07/03/365529/1625331311039-210703-chrisduarte-365529

Hornets have been uploading interviews with prospects they have worked out.

- As has been discussed already, Chris Duarte’s next workout is in San Antonio. He confirmed it in this interview too.

- Jaden Springer interview also up. Just previously worked out with the Pacers. Pick #11 and pick #13. Hmmm…

- Keon Johnson and James Bouknight also worked out for them. Bouknight interview is the only one not posted.
‘Keon coy on where his next workouts are.

[cd021]

The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.

I think that there's been talk about swapping the draft and FA. It makes more sense tbh. Have free agency start July 1st (under normal league calendar years) and then have the draft happen like three weeks later.

[Dejounte]

https://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2021/07/03/365529/1625331311039-210703-chrisduarte-365529

Hornets have been uploading interviews with prospects they have worked out.

- As has been discussed already, Chris Duarte’s next workout is in San Antonio. He confirmed it in this interview too.

- Jaden Springer interview also up. Just previously worked out with the Pacers. Pick #11 and pick #13. Hmmm…

- Keon Johnson and James Bouknight also worked out for them. Bouknight interview is the only one not posted.
‘Keon coy on where his next workouts are.
very strange that the reporter asked him which other workouts he has that are happening and he only says San Antonio. Maybe he didn’t fully understand.

[exstatic]

I understand... I guess my point is that all of the "info" on his "issues" is pretty foggy, and made up mostly of secondhand gossip and rumor. I don't really know anything about what his specific personality quirks actually are. For example, on the surface of it, if he left a magnet program and then went to a school that won the State Championship, couldn't that be construed as a good decision rather than a bad one? I honestly don't know, but also don't feel inclined to necessarily believe internet gossip on the topic. Tankathon has him at #6 on their Big Board, and I think they tend to have a good eye for talent on that site.

The order is wrong. He won the state chip as a junior, THEN walked away from a magnet program. He’s essentially played 13 games since the end of his junior year, due to walking away from two teams.

TaT’s big board is strictly talent based. Their mock has him at 9, but with Sacto already having family problems with Bagley, his father attacking the team on Twitter, and them trying to flip him at the deadline, I have a hard time seeing them pick Jalen J.

[exstatic]

It’s hard to pass up his Star potential when he gets some stability. And hopefully the Spurs can give him that as their Star player. And Spurs desperately need a Star player to build around. I really hope he’s available at 12th and the Spurs would give him a chance.

What good is star potential if he walks away? THAT’S why we’re concerned about his history.

[tonight...you]

What good is star potential if he walks away? THAT’S why we’re concerned about his history.
Especially when it comes to wanting players that might want to stick with one of the smallest markets in the league that smells like a rodeo just happened next door complete with the flies buzzing everywhere, lol.
And watch out for the bats!

But don't worry, HEB will put you on some funny commercials. That'll do the trick.

[Degoat]

Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market

[John B]

Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market
Because it still hurts :lol:lol

[Mr. Body]

Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market

I'm continually surprised when purported fans of this team have no idea how the team operates or thinks.

[exstatic]

Man some of y’all have severe PTSD from Kawhi leaving lmao acting like every star will leave because we’re a small market

We’re talking about one particular prospect that has a history of walking out on teams. Concerns are warranted.

[Mr. Body]

The case for Duarte is pretty clear. He's much more ready than others in the range, maybe even than some higher lottery picks. His age is a big mark against for many teams, and then the Spurs have a number of guards already.

Most teams are fine developing young players with glaring flaws -- or, really to the point, who don't know how to play high-level basketball. The Spurs are in a marginal state where they have some good young players, none are cresting into All-Star range yet, there is great chemistry, but the ensemble is rather bad at certain things, namely playmaking and shooting. Meanwhile, there are already a few players who have taken multiple years to get even close to staying on the court in Walker and Samanic.

Can the team take on another long-term prospect? In Duarte's category, this would be players like Bouknight and Moody, guys who I don't think are ready to play, and certainly not in Pop's system. Of course the Spurs can do this, and maybe will.

But another project impacts the development of everyone else. Duarte has the court-vision, the savvy, not to mention the scoring ability of an older player... which he is. He has dribble-sidestep moves that are vital in today's NBA, he has slashing ability, he has pull-up ability, and he's a good and willing defender. He's as close to a ready-made player as... well, Derrick White was, and maybe even more polished.

The question is really whether you'd use a draft pick, indeed a late lottery pick, on a player who is closer to a young free agent than to a pure prospect whose ass would be picking up splinters for a few years. Not saying Duarte will be a plug-in immediately, but he's far more likely to have that ability. As I've said before, if Chris Duarte is the player you'd want a draft pick to become in a few years, why not draft him when he's already a few years older and has those abilities?

Meanwhile, it might mean pulling the plug on Walker, which I'm totally fine with. A change of scenery might do him good.

[Mr. Body]

Furthermore, cultural fit is a massive concern for the Spurs right now. They need a player who doesn't mind staying in San Antonio, indeed will thrive there. Plus, someone who will fit in with the young core. As mentioned, team chemistry is a major plus right now. By most accounts, Duarte loved playing in Oregon, is a Spanish-speaker, is a well-rounded individual who just wants to play basketball. He has the makings of a great teammate. Again, once White was drafted, he quickly became the key player in the rotation -- the team suffered when he was out (and still does). With Duarte you have an analogue, a guy who does many of the same things, if in different ways, and has the polish that Dejounte Murray only started achieving this last year.

[Biggems]

The playoffs are still going on. You can't start FA when teams are occupied elsewhere. The draft also shows what teams need once they're done.

this year, I understand.....it is extenuating circumstance. Normally the Season ends around June 23

[Mr. Body]

this year, I understand.....it is extenuating circumstance. Normally the Season ends around June 23

Normally the draft is earlier, too. You can't start FA season when some of the FAs may still be playing. Tha just doesn't work.