Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[ace3g]

Draft Combine Participants per Shams

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[rjv]

Draft Combine Participants per Shams

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so, kispert, bouknight, jalen johnson, keon johnson, kai jones, tre mann, trey murphy, moses moody, cameron thomas, JT thor, ziare williams, prkacin and isaiah jackson appear to be the ones that will draw a lot of interest from the ST followers of the draft.

[Dejounte]

Draft Combine Participants per Shams

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Wait, no Wagner? Draft promise? Taking the Vassell route? Hmm….

[Dejounte]

I’m reeeeally surprised Evan Mobley is participating. You’re a #2 lock…why participate?

[rjv]

Wait, no Wagner? Draft promise? Taking the Vassell route? Hmm….

i noticed that. i was trying to figure out if there was anyone else on ST's radar that was missing from that list (other than the international players with commitments to their national teams).

[slick'81]

Wait, no Wagner? Draft promise? Taking the Vassell route? Hmm….
Sign me the fck up

[John B]

Wait, no Wagner? Draft promise? Taking the Vassell route? Hmm….

You guys know more. But is it because some International Players might not be available? I was already looking for Wagner and Giddey. But is that good for Spurs to have them go under the radar?

[PhantomDashCam]

so, kispert, bouknight, jalen johnson, keon johnson, kai jones, tre mann, trey murphy, moses moody, cameron thomas, JT thor, ziare williams, prkacin and isaiah jackson appear to be the ones that will draw a lot of interest from the ST followers of the draft.

Although drafting in a later spot at the time, standout combine participants in either the games (D. White, Samanic, G. Hill), interviews (Keldon, Lonnie Walker, Kyle Anderson) and athletic testing (Samanic, Lonnie Walker - to name but a few), have often been involved with a Spurs pick. Could be purely coincidental...

For example, A report on Samanic post combine:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-draft-combine-tacko-fall-still-turning-heads-croatias-luka-samanic-on-the-rise-and-other-takeaways/


1. Keep an eye on Luka Samanic

International players will be few and far between in the first round. But it may have expanded by one after Thursday following a complete showing from Croatian sensation Luka Samanic.
Samanic balled out in the scrimmage portion of Thursday's combine, scoring 13 points in a stellar outing in fewer than 20 minutes played. The 6-foot-9 1/2 forward tested well, too, with a shuttle run, max vertical leap and three-quarter court sprint that all rated inside the top five of draft-eligible players at his position.

Samanic showed off a pure, smooth shooting stroke that netted him a 5-for-7 outing in his scrimmage. And better yet, Samanic showed the type of agility and versatility that NBA (https://www.cbssports.com/nba) scouts were thrilled to see. Samanic is the No. 37 prospect on the CBS Sports Big Board (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/), but may be a big riser upon the imminent update next week.



Not feeling Ziaire Williams' game but one Rafael Barlow from NBADraft Junkies has credible intel that he may be 6'10" or taller now.

Edit: I imagine Evan Mobley, Green and Kuminga purely doing the physicals and perhaps some interviews?

[Dejounte]

You guys know more. But is it because some International Players might not be available? I was already looking for Wagner and Giddey. But is that good for Spurs to have them go under the radar?

I have no idea if Wagner is going to play for Germany.

Sengun wasn’t expected to play for Turkey, right? He’s not here either…

No Suggs.

No Garuba.

No Duarte.

[rjv]

You guys know more. But is it because some International Players might not be available? I was already looking for Wagner and Giddey. But is that good for Spurs to have them go under the radar?

Giddey will be with the Australian national team. Not sure about Sengun.

[duncan2150]

I have no idea if Wagner is going to play for Germany.

Sengun wasn’t expected to play for Turkey, right? He’s not here either…

No Suggs.

No Garuba.

No Duarte.

Sengun is on both U19 and national team roster this summer, they haven't make the cut already so we'll see.

[PhantomDashCam]

JT Thor: https://youtu.be/Zy2-kiHPt8A

I’m still drinking the kool aid. So much upside for the modern NBA game.

Interesting discussion developing Re:J.T and his age on twitter...Said to be 18 atm and turning 19 in August.
Would make him one of the younger prospects in the draft. Interesting...

https://twitter.com/NBADraftScoutin/status/1404897170986311683?s=20

[Russ]

Edit: I imagine Evan Mobley, Green and Kuminga purely doing the physicals and perhaps some interviews?

Usually, the high-end guys just get measured then do some running and jumping, no scrimmaging.

A few (or a lot) more than those you listed likely won't be playing in any games.

[The Truth #6]

Interesting discussing developing Re:J.T and his age on twitter...Said to be 18 atm and turning 19 in August.
Would make him one of the younger prospects in the draft. Interesting...

https://twitter.com/NBADraftScoutin/status/1404897170986311683?s=20

For a potential second round pick, he has the coveted upside. I’m still learning more about him. Doesn’t seem to have great team concepts. Is evidently a horrendous inbound passer, which may be telling. But I’m intrigued by his defense. Maybe not as touted as Garuba’s, but the potential shotmaking now makes me like Thor more than Garuba, though Garuba is more polished at the moment.

[ace3g]

1 week away from draft lottery.

[ace3g]

Daniel is Aaron Baynes' agent and his agency also represents Giddey. Kept him as a resource on twitter because he always has intel on Aussie players.

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Josh Giddey up to 220lbs this morning! Up 22 pounds in 12 months. That is one supersized PG headed to the USA. Hard work is undefeated https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/23f3.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f4c8.png #JustWait (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23JustWait)

[Dejounte]

Daniel is Aaron Baynes' agent and his agency also represents Giddey. Kept him as a resource on twitter because he always has intel on Aussie players.

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Josh Giddey up to 220lbs this morning! Up 22 pounds in 12 months. That is one supersized PG headed to the USA. Hard work is undefeated https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/23f3.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f4c8.png #JustWait (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23JustWait)


That weight is actually impressive. He could easily play wing at that weight.

[PhantomDashCam]

For a potential second round pick, he has the coveted upside. I’m still learning more about him. Doesn’t seem to have great team concepts. Is evidently a horrendous inbound passer, which may be telling. But I’m intrigued by his defense. Maybe not as touted as Garuba’s, but the potential shotmaking now makes me like Thor more than Garuba, though Garuba is more polished at the moment.

I would think he has to at least be given strong 1st round consideration with even the lottery not being a stretch.
He could be one of the Combines’ big risers.

Interesting read from Pro Insight:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/pre-drafting

[The Truth #6]

I would think he has to at least be given strong 1st round consideration with even the lottery not being a stretch.
He could be one of the Combines’ big risers.

Interesting read from Pro Insight:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/pre-drafting

Good find!

[The Truth #6]

That weight is actually impressive. He could easily play wing at that weight.

I agree. His solid rebounding is encouraging also.

[duncan2150]

That weight is actually impressive. He could easily play wing at that weight.

Easily, i agree. Some people have concern about his position but having a wing body is a really good thing for him.

[duncan2150]

I would think he has to at least be given strong 1st round consideration with even the lottery not being a stretch.
He could be one of the Combines’ big risers.

Interesting read from Pro Insight:

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/pre-drafting


Thor is having some big buzz right now, he could find his way into the first round.

[Degoat]

I’ve been watching film on guys and honestly there isn’t one guy I’d be disappointed if the spurs selected, I’m a fan of a lot of the guys

[pad300]

Easily, i agree. Some people have concern about his position but having a wing body is a really good thing for him.

I take glowing reports from agents about how their client has put on 20 lbs of muscle with large grains of salt...

[exstatic]

I take glowing reports from agents about how their client has put on 20 lbs of muscle with large grains of salt...

That’s why they have a combine. I know he’s not going, but that’s where the rubber meets the road. You find out exact physical, and workout measurements.

[PhantomDashCam]

Re: Franz Wagner

New podcast went up - An interview with the man himself. No national team commitment. If there is a draft promise, he’s as covert as they come.
Haven’t listened in full yet, just reading some excerpts….

https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/6/16/mens-basketball-defend-the-block-wagner-talks-nba-draft-u-m-preparing-him-for-pro-career.aspx


In getting ready for the next level, Wagner said he's trying to improve his all-around game while also zeroing in on specific aspects that he feels need to be much better when it's time to suit up in the league.

"One of the things I’ve gotta get better at is shooting, and it’s going to be a main part of those workouts, too," Wagner revealed. "So that fits in well with what I’ve gotta do in those workouts and my own workouts now. That’s been a big emphasis. And then obviously getting in the right shape — that’s something a lot of teams look at. Those are the main things I’m working on now.

"I also want to show that I can do stuff with the ball, and not just be an off-the-ball player. I’m working on stuff like dribbling, my ball handling and making decisions with the ball. That’s one thing I can help myself in the draft and at the next level, showing that I can do that as well."

[pad300]

That’s why they have a combine. I know he’s not going, but that’s where the rubber meets the road. You find out exact physical, and workout measurements.

Yep, unfortunately, neither Giddey nor Sengun will be there. I'd like to see trustworthy measurements on both of them.

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Iowa’s Joe Wieskamp had a workout with the San Antonio Spurs last week, a source tells me.
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Iowa’s Joe Wieskamp had a workout with the San Antonio Spurs last week, a source tells me.
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Wiskamp is a nice secound round, really good shooter.

The spurs also workout Jordan Hall.
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1404486928649555969

[Dejounte]

Wiskamp is a nice secound round, really good shooter.

The spurs also workout Jordan Hall.
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1404486928649555969

Apparently Jordan Hall is a point forward. Spurs trying to set a performance benchmark for other highly touted point forwards in the draft?

I don’t think there is any REAL interest in drafting players like Hall. I think they’re doing it to see how other players compare. That way you can eliminate average talent or be able to distinguish special ones from average ones.

[Russ]

Apparently Jordan Hall is a point forward. Spurs trying to set a performance benchmark for other highly touted point forwards in the draft?

I don’t think there is any REAL interest in drafting players like Hall. I think they’re doing it to see how other players compare. That way you can eliminate average talent or be able to distinguish special ones from average ones.

Or possibly pick them up as undrafted free agents . . .

[exstatic]

Apparently Jordan Hall is a point forward. Spurs trying to set a performance benchmark for other highly touted point forwards in the draft?

I don’t think there is any REAL interest in drafting players like Hall. I think they’re doing it to see how other players compare. That way you can eliminate average talent or be able to distinguish special ones from average ones.

They work out players they think they can get for Austin. Anyone they’re seriously interested in, you’ll never hear about them working out.

[Dejounte]

Or possibly pick them up as undrafted free agents . . .


On any different year, sure. They have money to spend this year and finding undrafted players to sign is usually something they would do if they wanted to go cheap. As of now, there is a lack of flexibility as far as roster space so they can’t really go looking at undrafted free agents when they will probably use their cap space on vets and other players in the offseason.

[Dejounte]

They work out players they think they can get for Austin. Anyone they’re seriously interested in, you’ll never hear about them working out.

I don’t think it’s even that. None of the players from this past season’s Austin team were revealed to work out with the Spurs during the pre-draft period. Not Kylor Kelley, Mathis, etc. No one from the previous year either. Could be wrong but that’s how I remember it.

[ace3g]

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Australia will have hella good options for its "Boomers" men’s Olympic basketball team from among its 19 finalists. The final 12-player team will play exhibitions against the U.S., Nigeria and Argentina in Las Vegas before departing for Tokyo & the Summer Games:

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Iowa’s Joe Wieskamp had a workout with the San Antonio Spurs last week, a source tells me.
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I wouldn't mind Wieskamp in the second round.

[BackHome]

Wiskamp is a nice secound round, really good shooter.

The spurs also workout Jordan Hall.
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1404486928649555969

Yeah I been down with Wiskamp for awhile really like his game kinda reminds me of Wagner - He is a very good shooter and a good defender and has good handles.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/matt_pennie/status/1405513116075577345

[ace3g]

Under the guidance of Nik "Gregg" Popovic(h) and former Spur Andrew Gaze

https://twitter.com/OlgunUluc/status/1405637627156434944

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nzP61gRE8E

[DesignatedT]

I wish the Spurs had two Top 15 picks in this draft. Lots of talent. I would love Bouknight. Spurs need a scorer like that.

Wish the Spurs could package 1 of Murray/White and Poeltl to get another pick.

[rjv]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

SB Nation put out their pre-lottery mock draft. Guess they don't think much of Alparen Sengun

[The Truth #6]

I don’t think it’s even that. None of the players from this past season’s Austin team were revealed to work out with the Spurs during the pre-draft period. Not Kylor Kelley, Mathis, etc. No one from the previous year either. Could be wrong but that’s how I remember it.

I think it's hard to figure out the inner workings of this shit. Lots of variables. An under appreciated aspect is how much of this shit is to appease and placate douchebag agents, not saying that's the primary reason, but there's lots of things with the Spurs that are never fully revealed, obviously. Having said that, I'm glad we're looking at shooters and point forwards—to me, perhaps the two most pressing needs on the team.

[EricB]

They work out players they think they can get for Austin. Anyone they’re seriously interested in, you’ll never hear about them working out.

didnt work out Keldon Johnson

[exstatic]

didnt work out Keldon Johnson

Didn’t work out, or even interview Kawhi. I think they went into lockdown mode after being punked with Batum and Gobert.

About Keldon, coach Cal said that five teams passed on drafting him because he didn’t work out for them. He was projected late lottery. You can only work out so many times, because you risk injury each time. Bet those teams feel really stupid right now.

[ace3g]

Was mowing the grass and didn't have phone with me, was scrolling through twitter :wow

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The Celtics are trading Kemba Walker, the No. 16 overall pick in the 2021 draft and a 2025 second-round draft pick to Oklahoma City for Al Horford, Moses Brown and a 2023 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
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Brad Stevens’ first deal as President of Basketball Operations comes with Sam Presti, with whom he’s had a longtime friendship dating back to Butler days. Rare trade ahead of Chicago pre-draft combine, but sides got value they wanted now on a major deal.


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[The Truth #6]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

SB Nation put out their pre-lottery mock draft. Guess they don't think much of Alparen Sengun

Yeah, seriously. And Jalen Johnson way too high.

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The preliminary roster for Spain's Tokyo Olympics campaign is expected to be announced tomorrow. Lottery prospect Usman Garuba will be part of that group, a source told ESPN. Spain will conduct a training camp in Las Vegas along with Australia, Nigeria, Argentina and USA in July.


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Sengun, Petrusev and Jokubaitis will need to help their teams make it to Tokyo through the FIBA Olympic qualifying tournaments, starting at the end of the month.
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[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/aTV0N7pIrEA

the Jordan Hall kid is actually pretty good. I could see him being a lottery pick next year if he goes to a bigger school. The passing skills stand out, almost like Giddey. Ugly form on his shot though but I guess it works.

[bluebellmaniac]

7 days until the Lottery

44 days until the Draft

3 days until the Lottery

40 days until the Draft

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/willyhg94/status/1406193774167003139?s=20

Just posted on Hoops Hype linking from Willy H.
Is this the initial Spain Olympic roster?

Hope Garuba makes the team.
Love to see how his game’s progressing.

After watching the Clips + Jazz can’t help but feel he would dominate during certain stretches in that series.

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/willyhg94/status/1406193774167003139?s=20

Just posted on Hoops Hype linking from Willy H.
Is this the initial Spain Olympic roster?

Hope Garuba makes the team.
Love to see how his game’s progressing.

After watching the Clips + Jazz can’t help but feel he would dominate during certain stretches in that series.

Dominate...you mean defensively?

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/aTV0N7pIrEA

the Jordan Hall kid is actually pretty good. I could see him being a lottery pick next year if he goes to a bigger school. The passing skills stand out, almost like Giddey. Ugly form on his shot though but I guess it works.

So I learned that

on May 4th, he transferred to A&M for next year (good for his draft stock, like I said)

He did not appear on the list of draft eligible players
Reference: https://247sports.com/Article/2021-NBA-Draft-underclassmen-List-of-college-players-declaring-early-162966399/

He could deem himself eligible but in order to go back to college (if he is not drafted), he will have to participate in the draft combine... which he is not participating in.
Reference: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/06/full-list-of-2021-nba-draft-combine-participants.html

So what is happening here?

Is it another Obi Toppin-type workout by the Spurs where they get information about him the year before he is drafted? That way they can go stealth the next year and pretend they didn't work him out?

IF Jordan Hall does indeed become a lottery pick next year, the Spurs are damn good at projecting player leaps, as we already knew...

[PhantomDashCam]

Dominate...you mean defensively?

Absolutely.
Though I think in 3 years he’ll be serviceable enough Offensively that he will have some ridiculous stat lines where he’ll be a roto fantasy stud.

He’s a very intriguing talent to me. He could be like a combo of Shawn Marion with a Luguentz Dort frame.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/mN18vs5q7E4

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1406688145673003010?s=20

Links to full games.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1062221987

[alfahdlan]

Interesting mock, SA trade #12 to NY for #19 and #21
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/06/20/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade/21/ (https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/06/20/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade/21/)

[bluebellmaniac]

3 days until the Lottery

40 days until the Draft

1 day until the Lottery

38 days until the Draft

[bluebellmaniac]

Interesting mock, SA trade #12 to NY for #19 and #21
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/06/20/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade/21/ (https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/06/20/nba-mock-draft-knicks-trade/21/)

So they have us trading the best pick we've had since Timmy for trash with a team with which there is great animosity.

Makes total sense.

[exstatic]

So they have us trading the best pick we've had since Timmy for trash with a team with which there is great animosity.

Makes total sense.

Yeah, Knicks and Spurs really don’t speak. They accused SA of tampering with KP. I’m sure that didn’t set too well with PATFO. We’re not just going to hand them a lottery pick.

[look_at_g_shred]

So they have us trading the best pick we've had since Timmy for trash with a team with which there is great animosity.

Makes total sense.
Technically our pick was better last year #11

[bluebellmaniac]

Technically our pick was better last year #11

My bad

[SpursDynasty85]

Technically our pick was better last year #11


we don’t know our pick yet though.

[exstatic]

we don’t know our pick yet though.

Troof

[duncan2150]

So no Wagner at the combine, maybe he has something in the bottom top10.

Also no duarte and Ayayi from Gonzaga.

[exstatic]

So no Wagner at the combine, maybe he has something in the bottom top10.

Also no duarte and Ayayi from Gonzaga.

Anyone inside the lottery who makes a promise BEFORE the lottery isn’t very smart. Duarte likely has a late promise, Wagner a middle round promise.

[The Truth #6]

The promising thing is weird in general. What if someone unexpectedly drops to us? Either we go with the lesser player or piss off an agent? I suppose if you think a player will be gone before you draft then it could make sense, and perhaps that's what happened with Devin last year. And perhaps, if the Spurs made a promise it would be to either Wagner or Moody, but I can't see anyone else.

[R. DeMurre]

I wonder how often a prospect really wants to do the combine to show off something like a vertical leap, but then is talked into not going by an agent... I'm guessing most guys already know their own wingspans and vertical numbers, and in the case of a guy like Wagner showing well in those categories would almost certainly propel him a few spots higher. Who knows, though-- maybe he has a mid round promise from a team he really likes, and doesn't want to mess with that.

[exstatic]

The promising thing is weird in general. What if someone unexpectedly drops to us? Either we go with the lesser player or piss off an agent? I suppose if you think a player will be gone before you draft then it could make sense, and perhaps that's what happened with Devin last year. And perhaps, if the Spurs made a promise it would be to either Wagner or Moody, but I can't see anyone else.
I think the Spurs did it more when they were picking at the end of the first round than now. I also think they’ve used it sparingly. Because the lottery hasn’t happened, I doubt they’ve made a promise yet this year.

[rankingtear]

Isn't Germany in the olympic qualifier?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1407001754206707712

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/JeremyWoo/status/1407019043303874567?s=20

[SpursDynasty85]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1407001754206707712

release looks too low. I'd probably pass on him but of course I don't know much else about the guy.

[ace3g]

Each team's representative for tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4b65qFWQAILyWk?format=jpg&name=large

[Dejounte]

Soo excited to find out we’re drafting at #12

[PhantomDashCam]

Watching the G-League Day 2 scrimmage, Team 4 vs. Team 1 - One guy who looks perfect as a G-League project is Dawson Garcia.

Had a productive first day and looks good here also. 6' 11" with wing skills. Average athlete atm but has decent touch, solid feel for the game.

https://rollcallsportsnet.com/dawson-garcia-nba-draft-scouting-report/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dawson-garcia-nba-draft-scouting-report

Edit: Some scouting from the Stepien...Interesting read. He had a subpar college season, this was written prior to that. Seeing some of those skills here.


Dawson Garcia – Marquette – 9/20/2001
There’s not a ton of tape on Garcia out there but his skillset and size are enough to make him an NBA prospect. A really good 3-point shooter at 6’10, Garcia off of that alone is somebody to monitor. What could separate him is his ability to put it on the floor and attack closeouts, along with play in ISO situations against other bigs. There’s also already enticing off-movement flashes as a shooter. To be frank, he looks like an elite shooting prospect when you factor in size.
If Garcia can show himself to be a good enough defender, there’s a chance he could be the best offensive big in the class and that could put him in mid-first round discussion, if not higher. It’s a TBD how he’ll look against high major physicality and athleticism but the talent is clear as day.

[Dejounte]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Franz, Giddey see big rise in latest update to tankathons mock draft.

Jalen dropped a lot.

Don’t put too much stock in mock drafts, but they’re always interesting

[mo7888]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Franz, Giddey see big rise in latest update to tankathons mock draft.

Jalen dropped a lot.

Don’t put too much stock in mock drafts, but they’re always interesting

I wouldn't be disappointed in that outcome...

[Dejounte]

CQSFDelB1fG

It is insane how wide Moody’s torso is. Dude looks like a wrestler compared to the other guys. Basically Big Body 2.0. His wingspan compensates for his lack of height too. Can plug him in at any position, IMO.

[pad300]

It is insane how wide Moody’s torso is. Dude looks like a wrestler compared to the other guys. Basically Big Body 2.0. His wingspan compensates for his lack of height too. Can plug him in at any position, IMO.

Does his wingpan compensate for his lack of height?

Wingspan = width of torso + 2*Arm Length
Standing Reach = Shoulder height + Arm Length

His torso is, as you mention, crazy wide. That means less arm length for the wingspan. Which means less compensation for the height...

[Dejounte]

Does his wingpan compensate for his lack of height?

Wingspan = width of torso + 2*Arm Length
Standing Reach = Shoulder height + Arm Length

His torso is, as you mention, crazy wide. That means less arm length for the wingspan. Which means less compensation for the height...

Maybe compensate was the wrong word. What I mean is stopping opposing players who are tall or lengthy via movement laterally, and if he’s got the strength, they won’t be able to back him down. The lack of height will hurt as far as being less likely to make them miss, but if he can slow them down movement-wise, there’s defensive potential there to unlock.

[alfahdlan]

I prefer player with star potential at 12, so any of Moody, Keon, Bouknight, Wagner, Giddey(tall Steve Nash minus the shooting). I’d be happy.

[scott]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Franz, Giddey see big rise in latest update to tankathons mock draft.

Jalen dropped a lot.

Don’t put too much stock in mock drafts, but they’re always interesting

If Charles Bassey goes undrafted, I hope he enjoyed his time in San Antonio in HS and wants to come back. I'd like us to take him in the 2nd.

[exstatic]

If Charles Bassey goes undrafted, I hope he enjoyed his time in San Antonio in HS and wants to come back. I'd like us to take him in the 2nd.

10 years ago, he’d have been a midfirst rounder, but his game is pre 2015 rules changes.

[duncan2150]

https://theathletic.com/2666193/2021/06/22/top-20-nba-draft-prospects-for-2021-cade-cunningham-ranks-no-1-but-not-by-much/

If someone has an access to this article, thanks.

[EricB]

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Franz, Giddey see big rise in latest update to tankathons mock draft.

Jalen dropped a lot.

Don’t put too much stock in mock drafts, but they’re always interesting


man if Moody can drop to them….

[PhantomDashCam]

https://theathletic.com/2666193/2021/06/22/top-20-nba-draft-prospects-for-2021-cade-cunningham-ranks-no-1-but-not-by-much/

If someone has an access to this article, thanks.

It’s quite a lengthy one my man.
Just going to post the order to save space:



Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Alperen Sengun
Jalen Green
Jalan Suggs
Franz Wagner
Jonathon Kuminga
Jalen Johnson
Josh Giddey
Jared Butler
Corey Kispert
James Bouknight
Moses Moody
Usman Garuba
Davison Mitchell
Miles McBride
Keon Johnson
Chris Duarte
Jaden Springer



And as a bonus, he names 3 sleepers


Roko Prkacin
Neemius Queta
Herb Jones

[mo7888]

It’s quite a lengthy one my man.
Just going to post the order to save space:



Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Alperen Sengun
Jalandhar Green
Jalan Suggs
Franz Wagner
Jonathon Kuminga
Jalen Johnson
Josh Giddey
Jared Butler
Corey Kispert
James Bouknight
Moses Moody
Usman Garuba
Davison Mitchell
Miles McBride
Leon Johnson
Chris Duarte
Jaden Springer



And as a bonus, he names 3 sleepers


Roko Prkacin
Neemius Queta
Herb Jones


If somehow Kuminga was there at 8 I'd try and find a way to move up..

[PhantomDashCam]

If somehow Kuminga was there at 8 I'd try and find a way to move up..

Yeah I think you would have to.

Effusive praise given to Sengun at 4.


As I noted a few months ago (https://theathletic.com/2547988/2021/04/28/2021-nba-draft-a-high-lottery-pick-hiding-in-turkey-scouting-alperen-sengun-and-other-international-players-to-know/?source=user_shared_article), Sengun is the pearl of a strong international class, and he is still flying somewhat under the radar despite winning the MVP of the Turkish League. That league is probably the second-best in Europe right now after Spain’s, and the history says that when a teenager — Sengun turns 19 in July — crushes a good overseas league like that, the fail rate is basically nil.

There are legitimate concerns about Sengun defensively, that he might be the type of guy who gets run off the floor in a playoff series. Overall I would profile him as similar to Kevin Love – more of a “4.5” than a true five and somebody whose offense will need to make up for non-elite rim protection and mobility. Nonetheless, his offensive skill set is crazy good for a player this age. He has ball skills, passing ability, a good shooting stroke that projects to 3-point range and a dizzying array of spins, pivots and finishes on the low block.

I’ll be surprised if he isn’t able to rack up double-doubles relatively early in his career; it’s the defensive question in the modern game that keeps him out of my top three, and even then I still wonder if I have him too low. A lot of not-very-athletic bigs with average tools but advanced feel have ended up being far better defenders than initially projected – Marc Gasol obviously comes to mind for me – and Sengun could be another example. I wouldn’t just write him off at this end of the floor.

This was after I read this tweet from Fran Fraschilla the other day:

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1406254145233899526?s=20

[rjv]

international play-ins and friendlies, along with the combines, will have a great impact on some of these mock drafts over the next month and a half. it'll be great to see how players impact their current standings.

[mo7888]

Yeah I think you would have to.

Effusive praise given to Sengun at 4.



This was after I read this tweet from Fran Fraschilla the other day:

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1406254145233899526?s=20

That say alot for Sengun....interesting... do you mind sharing what he says about Wagner? He has him rated very close to my BB (from a Spurs perspective)...I'm curious as to his analysis

[rankingtear]

That say alot for Sengun....interesting... do you mind sharing what he says about Wagner? He has him rated very close to my BB (from a Spurs perspective)...I'm curious as to his analysis

He does not like Wagner, roleplayer ceiling, got bounced around in the tournament, range 15-30.

[Degoat]

I have a gut feeling spurs will end up with either Giddey or Sengun

[mo7888]

He does not like Wagner, roleplayer ceiling, got bounced around in the tournament, range 15-30.

He's got him at 7 on the board he just posted...

[EricB]

Didn’t work out, or even interview Kawhi. I think they went into lockdown mode after being punked with Batum and Gobert.

About Keldon, coach Cal said that five teams passed on drafting him because he didn’t work out for them. He was projected late lottery. You can only work out so many times, because you risk injury each time. Bet those teams feel really stupid right now.

they've gone into lockdown and have gotten linked by the Wizards two years in a row still.

[rjv]

I have a gut feeling spurs will end up with either Giddey or Sengun

after watching film on these two and from what i have been reading, i'd be happy with either of these two.

[SAGirl]

Arkansas' Moses Moody measured 6'4.5 without shoes along with a 7'0.75 wingspan. (From Twitter)

[mo7888]

I see Butler is being held out by the league under a medical protocol of some sort.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Moody measuring a bit shorter than expected could affect his draft position. Hope he drops to the Spurs.

[Truckules]

Official combine measurements: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/


(https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/)

[SpursDynasty85]

Moody measuring a bit shorter than expected could affect his draft position. Hope he drops to the Spurs.

Wouldn’t mind trading Dejounte and Poeltl for another 1st like Garuba/Sengun if so.

[exstatic]

I see Butler is being held out by the league under a medical protocol of some sort.

They only do that if there’s something career threatening detected. Sucks.

[exstatic]

Wouldn’t mind trading Dejounte and Poeltl for another 1st like Garuba/Sengun if so.

Let’s NOT trade two starters for a maybe, m’kay?

[Dejounte]

Disappointing measurements for Moody. Still wouldn’t mind drafting him as he’s a good bet to meet his potential. But I would probably leapfrog a couple other prospects over him now just because of personal preference.

[exstatic]

Disappointing measurements for Moody. Still wouldn’t mind drafting him as he’s a good bet to meet his potential. But I would probably leapfrog a couple other prospects over him now just because of personal preference.

This is DeJounte, clearly not obsessing over size. He was listed at 6’6”, and that’s almost ALWAYS in shoes, so 6’5”. He comes up 1/2” short, and you’re dropping him like an ugly girl?

Dude, Spider Mitchell is like 6’3”, IN SHOES,, and was drafted in the teens.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1407416190885040128

[Dejounte]

This is DeJounte, clearly not obsessing over size. He was listed at 6’6”, and that’s almost ALWAYS in shoes, so 6’5”. He comes up 1/2” short, and you’re dropping him like an ugly girl?

Dude, Spider Mitchell is like 6’3”, IN SHOES,, and was drafted in the teens.


bruh, I’m not dropping him. It’s literally 1-2 guys I’m putting over him. So chill.

if i was dropping him, i would say don’t draft him. He’s literally still in the same tier in my board.

[Gibbz]

I was thinking Moody's measurements jumped off the page in a good way. 7'0.75" wingspan and 4th-biggest hands.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/kevinoconnornba/status/1407344149200769040?s=21

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This is DeJounte, clearly not obsessing over size. He was listed at 6’6”, and that’s almost ALWAYS in shoes, so 6’5”. He comes up 1/2” short, and you’re dropping him like an ugly girl?

Dude, Spider Mitchell is like 6’3”, IN SHOES,, and was drafted in the teens.

True but he’s been listed anything from 6’5 to 6’8(ringer). Pretty sure most mocks will lower his value based on the combine measures.

[exstatic]

bruh, I’m not dropping him. It’s literally 1-2 guys I’m putting over him. So chill.

if i was dropping him, i would say don’t draft him. He’s literally still in the same tier in my board.

You’re like Bender from Breakfast Club. Some girls you consider your GF, and some you just consider, I guess Moody isn’t a GF any more. :lol

[Dejounte]

You’re like Bender from Breakfast Club. Some girls you consider your GF, and some you just consider, I guess Moody isn’t a GF any more. :lol

Moody is still a girlfriend. That’s how much I like his skills.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1407427149628264448

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1407427149628264448


Good find Ace. Thanks as always!

Moody has elite wing length for his size. I am still high on him.

Scottie Barnes jumped up for many of the draft evaluators I have seen around. He’s skilled and has elite measurables.

Overall I am excited about this draft class.

[PhantomDashCam]

That say alot for Sengun....interesting... do you mind sharing what he says about Wagner? He has him rated very close to my BB (from a Spurs perspective)...I'm curious as to his analysis

No problem.


7. Franz Wagner, SF, Michigan, SophomoreThe younger brother of Orlando center Moritz Wagner, Franz is a very different kind of player: He’s a huge wing with unusually nimble feet for his size, capable of checking guards on the perimeter and busting out in passing lanes for steals. Wagner stands 6-foot-9 but had one of the better steal rates in this draft class; he’s the classic switchable defender teams covet.

Offensively, he projects more as a role player than a star. Wagner can shoot but has a low release point on his shot and hasn’t shown the footwork or off-the-dribble sizzle to be a high-frequency bomber. He’s good in transition and can attack in straight lines in the half court, where his size and stride length give him an advantage even on basic dribble moves. He’s also a good passer with a strong feel for the game, and he rarely screws up, resulting in a better than 2:1 assist-to-turnover rate.

The other thing Wagner has going for him is his age. Although listed as a sophomore, he is actually younger than several of the freshman in this draft class, including Barnes, Mobley and Suggs. He doesn’t scream outrageous upside, but the youth, production and positional scarcity all point to Wagner as an underrated player in this draft.

[duncan2150]

It’s quite a lengthy one my man.
Just going to post the order to save space:



Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Alperen Sengun
Jalen Green
Jalan Suggs
Franz Wagner
Jonathon Kuminga
Jalen Johnson
Josh Giddey
Jared Butler
Corey Kispert
James Bouknight
Moses Moody
Usman Garuba
Davison Mitchell
Miles McBride
Keon Johnson
Chris Duarte
Jaden Springer



And as a bonus, he names 3 sleepers


Roko Prkacin
Neemius Queta
Herb Jones




thanks

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407446043197853707

[mo7888]

No problem.

Much appreciated!

[Marco]

I was so high on Jared Butler and now the bad news...☹

[duncan2150]

I was thinking Moody's measurements jumped off the page in a good way. 7'0.75" wingspan and 4th-biggest hands.


i think so, the wingspan is really good. Not worry about his 6'5'5 height.


https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407446043197853707

Big big sleeper of this draft

[ace3g]

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42" max vertical for Joe Wieskamp who also came in 6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan. Pretty good for a 46% 3PT shooter.
1:52pm · 22 Jun 2021 (https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1407411078091481088) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZfRFEquVN0

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/743297685302632451/pSX-RERB_normal.jpg
Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
(https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) 2m (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407454502668603393)
Have been coming to the NBA Combine for close to 20 years and this was easily the most well-run and informative day I've seen. A lot of thought went into every drill in terms of putting players in real game situations. Coaches have been outstanding and the players have responded.

[BackHome]

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42" max vertical for Joe Wieskamp who also came in 6'7" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan. Pretty good for a 46% 3PT shooter.
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I new it I always came away from watching him play thinking that he plays and looks like a player much taller then 6'6 yet every mock has him at 6'6 - If we don't draft Wagner in the first then he is my guy in the second round for sure.

Thanks ACE...:)

[Dejounte]

Jordan Hall is my guy in the 2nd. Less than three hours until the lottery!

[buttsR4rebounding]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407446043197853707

That is one slow release. Like 7/10 ths of a second. He will really need to speed that up to get it off in the NBA.

[Degoat]

I know I’m setting myself up for disappointment but mannnn if we got a top 4 pick I’d shit myself lmao

[Dejounte]

I know I’m setting myself up for disappointment but mannnn if we got a top 4 pick I’d shit myself lmao

have you ever won a raffle ticket with 56 other people participating?

if you have, then…. Let’s celebrate baby!!!

[rjv]

I know I’m setting myself up for disappointment but mannnn if we got a top 4 pick I’d shit myself lmao


i'm sure everyone knows this but the spurs official odds are:

1.7% to get the top pick and 8.1% to get into the top 4.

[TD 21]

Since the Spurs moving into the top 4 is a pipe dream, I'm more so hoping the Warriors and Raptors don't, for obvious reasons. Unfortunately I suspect the former, at the very least, will, conveniently.

Just for the hell of it, at 2 or 3 who'd you take? I'd probably order them Mobley, Green, Suggs, although it'd be tough to pass on Green given that he projects to fill the most glaring need here.

[Dejounte]

Since the Spurs moving into the top 4 is a pipe dream, I'm more so hoping the Warriors and Raptors don't, for obvious reasons. Unfortunately I suspect the former, at the very least, will, conveniently.

i can understand the Warriors. What is so bad about the Raptors winning it?

[TD 21]

i can understand the Warriors. What is so bad about the Raptors winning it?

The fact that they're shady (see Casey's/DeRozan's departures), attention seekers, screwed their supposed friends in the Spurs front office and have had the audacity to act disgustingly arrogant since instead of acknowledging their historic luck/fortune and are now living off of a false reputation being perpetuated by their big wig national media buddies.

[Dejounte]

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This thread needs good vibes

Who wants to sacrifice their sheep

[tonight...you]

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This thread needs good vibes

Who wants to sacrifice their sheep
Ohmmmmmmm
Ohmmmmmmm
Ohmmmmmmm
Ohmmmmmmm

[Uriel]

Franz Wagner seems to be the consensus Spurs pick in many mocks. My question is: if he’s so young and already so skilled, why are people underestimating his upside? This reminds me of the Doncic situation, where scouts were saying he was already close to maxing out.

[Dejounte]

Franz Wagner seems to be the consensus Spurs pick in many mocks. My question is: if he’s so young and already so skilled, why are people underestimating his upside? This reminds me of the Doncic situation, where scouts were saying he was already close to maxing out.

because he’s white lmao

[bluebellmaniac]

4 minutes peeps

[spurraider21]

because he’s white lmao
cant wait to see his player comp be a generic white guy like chandler parsons

[bluebellmaniac]

Link for watching it? TV not an option.

[Uriel]

Link for watching it? TV not an option.
Yes please.

[bluebellmaniac]

About 11 min until they reveal the order...

[ace3g]

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JT Thor: 6'8.5" in socks, 7'3.25" wingspan, 9'2" reach, 203 lbs
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[ace3g]

Spurs get 12th...

[timtonymanu]

Alright pick 12. Can’t wait until he rides the bench all season

[timtonymanu]

Double post

[Dex]

I am whelmed.

[Isitjustme?]

Fuck!

[ace3g]

Raptors jump into top 4

[Uriel]

UGH.

[ace3g]

Cavs jump into top 4

[spurraider21]

no miracle today

[Russ]

EC teams moving up -- generally good news.

[ace3g]

Raptors, Cavs, Rockets, Pistons top 4

[Dex]

Welp, Rockets keeping their pick. Was really hoping they tanked for nothing.

[Sugus]

Spurs get 12th...

Shit. Not like the odds were in our favor, but still... Looks like we'll have to come and get that top pick of our own badness :lol

[Robz4000]

Cleveland gonna waste another #1 pick tbh.

[slick'81]

Poor spurs

[daslicer]

I really hate the Raptors and their fans. I'm hoping they don't get the number 1 pick.

[Uriel]

Okay, that's it. I'm all aboard the Franz Wagner train. Make it happen Brian.

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/01/13014532/AP_21007176669125-1024x729.jpg

[cjw]

This is good - OKC and GS could have been picking higher, and no other west teams jumped up.

[timtonymanu]

Cleveland gonna waste another #1 pick tbh.

They and the Twolves are frustrating because you know they won’t do shit with the #1 pick as usual (other than LeBron).

[ace3g]

1. Pistons
2. Rockets
3. Cavs
4. Raptors

[ace3g]

Spurs quickly sign Darko and offer him to Pistons for #1 pick.

[daslicer]

Pistons have suffered for a long time so at least a team that is deserving got the number 1 pick.

[timtonymanu]

Best case scenario of the top 4 I guess :lol

[timtonymanu]

Let Demar walk and this team could potentially have a higher pick in 2022.

[Uriel]

So who was the big winner of this lottery besides Detroit? Toronto?

[itzsoweezee]

SMH. The only thing to look forward to at this point is Demar getting shipped off somewhere

[BackHome]

Yeah I am good with Pistons getting number one so happy that OK, Houston, and Raptors didn’t get first. But damn Warriors got two nice number one picks I wonder what they will do with them

[Sugus]

So who was the big winner of this lottery besides Detroit? Toronto?

Toronto, and definitely the Rockettes. Especially since they've got OKC salivating at the prospect of them being bad in the short term due to the picks owed, they needed something like draft day luck extremely.

Gambit bumping that Spurs worst future thread in 3, 2... :lol

[BackHome]

So who was the big winner of this lottery besides Detroit? Toronto?.

Golden State with TWO lottery picks 7 and 14.

[Jordan Jackson]

So we have Zion, Ja, Luka and Mobley in our division now. Lucky us.

[Gibbz]

.

Golden State with TWO lottery picks 7 and 14.

[Dejounte]

Post-lottery Mock draft:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - I'll go on a limb here and say Kuminga
3. Cavs - Scottie Barnes
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - Mobley
6. Thunder - Sengun
7. GSW - Bouknight
8. Magic - Jalen Johnson
9. Kings - Kai Jones
10. Pelicans - Kispert
11. Hornets - Isaiah Jackson
12. Spurs -

[Thomas82]

So which guard will the Spurs take this year at 12?

[BackHome]

1. Pistons
2. Rockets
3. Cavs
4. Raptors

Damn is Tankathon mock draft 2 days ago 100% accurate?

[Trill Clinton]

Moses Moody please

[Dejounte]

My expectations with specific teams and who they're drafting...

99% sure Detroit will draft Cade
70% sure OKC will draft Sengun
60% sure Magic will draft someone long. Think Barnes, Kai Jones, Jalen Johnson
80% sure Warriors will draft someone ready to go. Think Bouknight, Wagner, Kispert. I'm sure they want to avoid having to deal with a raw rookie like Wiseman again.
80% sure Kings will draft someone with high character. Think Wagner, Scottie Barnes. I'm sure they want to avoid any more drama with players like they did with Bagley.
60% sure Hornets will draft a big. They said they needed a big in an article somewhere.

[The Truth #6]

Post-lottery Mock draft:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - I'll go on a limb here and say Kuminga
3. Cavs - Scottie Barnes
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - Mobley
6. Thunder - Sengun
7. GSW - Bouknight
8. Magic - Jalen Johnson
9. Kings - Kai Jones
10. Pelicans - Kispert
11. Hornets - Isaiah Jackson
12. Spurs -

I'll guess we'll take Jalen Green in that wishful scenario.

[Dejounte]

I'll guess we'll take Jalen Green in that wishful scenario.

:lmao :lmao fuck man, too many players to keep up with

[The Truth #6]

:lmao :lmao fuck man, too many players to keep up with

I know, right? Way too many Jalens!

[The Truth #6]

No, but I think Moody, Wagner are the two most obvious choices if either is still available. And I suppose Kispert can't be ruled out. Giddey I don't see them valuing as high d/t his defensive and shooting woes. I'm focusing on second round players now. Getting burnt out on the first round. I started getting into this draft way too early. Lol.

[Dejounte]

My expectations with specific teams and who they're drafting...

99% sure Detroit will draft Cade
70% sure OKC will draft Sengun
60% sure Magic will draft someone long. Think Barnes, Kai Jones, Jalen Johnson
80% sure Warriors will draft someone ready to go. Think Bouknight, Wagner, Kispert. I'm sure they want to avoid having to deal with a raw rookie like Wiseman again.
80% sure Kings will draft someone with high character. Think Wagner, Scottie Barnes. I'm sure they want to avoid any more drama with players like they did with Bagley.
60% sure Hornets will draft a big. They said they needed a big in an article somewhere.

I forgot another:

80% sure Pelicans will draft a shooter.

[tonight...you]

I forgot another:

80% sure Pelicans will draft a shooter.
Good stuff.

[PhantomDashCam]

Random thoughts:

Draft Lottery -

- Pumped for Detroit. Having Cade and Killian together in the backcourt can only hope push both forward as their careers develop.
Team has seemingly recovered quickly after the Stan Van Gundy administration.

- Raptors getting into 4 changes things dramatically. They drafted 2 PGs last year, think they will take Green or Kuminga now.
Lots of lengthy wings, if Kuminga is the pick - Siakam may very well be moved before the season.

- Spurs seem to be looking at addressing the shooting deficit in the 2nd round or Undrafted FA.
Would that mean they are potentially looking at bigs at #12?
Sengun, Jones, Jackson perhaps?

Combine -

- J.T Thor must be playing in flats. Everybody gains a foot or more in their shoes and this guy gains 1/2 an inch?
Come on man.

- Shariffe Cooper can't be 6"3'. Don't buy that at all.

[ginobilized]

Well, that's out of the way. Happy for the Pistons.

I'm guessing there could be some heavy activity on draft day. Orlando and Golden State might consolidate their picks for a veteran and a pick. I wouldn't rule out Philly shopping Simmons for a top pick. There was almost a play with the Warriors last year, maybe something comes through this year. If the Spurs do end up with the 12th pick, I'm hoping for Moody or Wagner. Spurs tend to draft by best player available vs position of need. I'll trust their intel on this.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/kendra__andrews/status/1407508485797937153

[Dejounte]

12. San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&w=110&h=110Jalen Johnson (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701230/jalen-johnson)
Duke
SF/PF
Age: 19.4
The Spurs will likely be in the market for frontcourt help and can afford to take a home run swing on a high-upside prospect like Johnson. He is a 6-foot-9 forward with guard skills who brings the type of playmaking and defensive versatility that is very hard. He'd be a strong fit alongside the likes of Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell, while also having the potential to see time as a small-ball center, like he did at Duke.

Jonathan Givony has similar ideas to mine. He has the Kings taking Wagner, Pelicans taking Kispert, and Hornets taking Jackson.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31639869/2021-nba-mock-draft-projections-all-60-picks-lottery

[Dejounte]

12. San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&w=110&h=110Jalen Johnson (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701230/jalen-johnson)
Duke
SF/PF
Age: 19.4
The Spurs will likely be in the market for frontcourt help and can afford to take a home run swing on a high-upside prospect like Johnson. He is a 6-foot-9 forward with guard skills who brings the type of playmaking and defensive versatility that is very hard. He'd be a strong fit alongside the likes of Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell, while also having the potential to see time as a small-ball center, like he did at Duke.

Jonathan Givony has similar ideas to mine. He has the Kings taking Wagner, Pelicans taking Kispert, and Hornets taking Jackson.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31639869/2021-nba-mock-draft-projections-all-60-picks-lottery

Also, he has the Thunder taking Sengun, and the Warriors taking Bouknight.

Mr. Givony, are you reading this thread???

[PhantomDashCam]

During the televised broadcast, that interview with Ant-man was insightful:

Heavily credits Ricky Rubio for helping him develop his professionalism and work ethic upon entering the league.
An instance where a trade (in this case bringing back a respected, non star-ish player) goes well beyond the increase in Ws and Ls.

Starting to warm to the Harrison Barnes scenarios...

[DeRozan m8]

Can we fucking tank a season or 2 already?

We're gonna be a garbage treadmill team forever

[LCM]

If Toronto drafts Kuminga, Siakam definitely becomes a trade target. To get his contract off their books to resign Trent and Boucher, would be a big priority. Spurs being under the cap, they could absorb the salary. To go from DeRozen to Siakam would be a big difference!

[Dejounte]

Did a quick tour of other teams' forums and tried to gauge consensus... (with the player in bold as my guess as to what happens)

1. Pistons - Cade
2. Rockets - Mobley, Green, Suggs
3. Cavaliers - Mobley, Green
4. Raptors - Suggs, Green
5. Magic - Barnes, Kuminga, Moody
6. Thunder - Barnes, Mitchell, Kuminga (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
7. Warriors - Moody, Jalen Johnson, Wagner
8. Magic - Barnes, Kuminga, Moody, Bouknight, or trade (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
9. Kings - Wagner, Moody, Jalen Johnson
10. Pelicans - Kispert or trade (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
11. Hornets - Jackson, Sengun, Jones
12. Spurs - Sengun, Jones, Wagner, Giddey, Moody (from the poll)

[Uriel]

12. San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&w=110&h=110Jalen Johnson (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701230/jalen-johnson)
Duke
SF/PF
Age: 19.4
The Spurs will likely be in the market for frontcourt help and can afford to take a home run swing on a high-upside prospect like Johnson. He is a 6-foot-9 forward with guard skills who brings the type of playmaking and defensive versatility that is very hard. He'd be a strong fit alongside the likes of Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell, while also having the potential to see time as a small-ball center, like he did at Duke.

Jonathan Givony has similar ideas to mine. He has the Kings taking Wagner, Pelicans taking Kispert, and Hornets taking Jackson.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31639869/2021-nba-mock-draft-projections-all-60-picks-lottery
Johnson sounds intriguing. But given how much of a premium the Spurs put on character, I don't see it.

[Dejounte]

Johnson sounds intriguing. But given how much of a premium the Spurs put on character, I don't see it.

Me neither. Especially not after seeing the young guys on the team get together and take wholesome pictures together. They're not going to add poison to that water.

[Ditty]

Anyone believe the Spurs would pass up drafting a big man if the FO is aware that they may have a good chance of drafting Chet next year?

[8FOR!3]

NBAdraft.net has us taking Kai Jones. Looks like a stretch 5, his comparisons on there are Jaxson Hayes and Jaren Jackson Jr. If he's an athletic big that can shoot, that's got to be good value at 12 right? Assuming he falls.

[BacktoBasics]

Magic at 8 could be a good trade partner. Not sure it’s worth moving up but if they fall in love with somebody it might be doable.

[R. DeMurre]

Combine -

- J.T Thor must be playing in flats. Everybody gains a foot or more in their shoes and this guy gains 1/2 an inch?
Come on man.



Trey Murphy lll measured 6'7.5" barefoot and 6'9.25" in shoes while Thor measured 6'8.5" barefoot and 6'9.25" in shoes!
So Thor is a full inch taller barefoot, but in shoes they are the same size?

[mo7888]

Magic at 8 could be a good trade partner. Not sure it’s worth moving up but if they fall in love with somebody it might be doable.

If Kuminga falls to 8 like Hollingers BB I'd absolutely trade up with Orlando.

[Uriel]

FWIW, Paul George is an 86.6% free throw shooter. The probability that he would miss both free throws is just 1.7%. In other words, Paul George missing both free throws had about the same odds as the Spurs winning the #1 overall pick today.

[PhantomDashCam]

Trey Murphy lll measured 6'7.5" barefoot and 6'9.25" in shoes while Thor measured 6'8.5" barefoot and 6'9.25" in shoes!
So Thor is a full inch taller barefoot, but in shoes they are the same size?


Clearly Trey rockin' something like this. "Great Scott!" :lol

https://canary.contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/5ad4e410246bb03f9ac49fa9-1-large.jpg

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Happy for the Pistons and our Detroit fans on ST.

Especially love it how OKC and GS got the 6th and 7th pick in a 5 player draft.

[slick'81]

I just hope whoever the spurs draft at 12 will make an immidiate impact this season,and not go the devin vassel ,luka,kj route

[offset formation]

Can we fucking tank a season or 2 already?

We're gonna be a garbage treadmill team forever

The only thing that changes your math is if Luka has an unexpected breakout season and really starts to be the player he hopefully turns into. Short of that, or some steal in the draft, I'd expect little.

Of course free agency will affect these predictions but I'm not sure who ultimately comes here.

[Dennis the Menace]

The only thing that changes your math is if Luka has an unexpected breakout season and really starts to be the player he hopefully turns into. Short of that, or some steal in the draft, I'd expect little.

Of course free agency will affect these predictions but I'm not sure who ultimately comes here.

Counting on Luka to have a breakout season? LOL. He’s gonna be playing in the foreign leagues in a couple years. At BEST he’s a 10th man.

[R. DeMurre]

If (when?) Detroit picks Cade, they'll be looking at a future of long wings possibly all playing together: Jerami Grant, Saddiq Bey, Josh Jackson, and Cade... If Cade can be Ben Simmons w/ shooting, and be the de facto PG, that could be special. Good time to be a Piston fan.

[objective]

Just my luck, I've grown to love Sengun, and now he'll probably be gone 5 picks before the Spurs.

Not really crazy about anyone that people are having available in their mocks as Sengun and Giddy are usually gone.

Wagner I suppose would be okay. Might prefer Greg Brown even though he's very raw. Measured better with wingspan that I expected. 7-0.25 compared to his previously alleged 6-10 wingspan.

[Kurik]

For what it’s worth, Moody’s wingspan was over 7 feet and his height was 6’4.5” without shoes.

[Em-City]

Did a quick tour of other teams' forums and tried to gauge consensus... (with the player in bold as my guess as to what happens)

1. Pistons - Cade
2. Rockets - Mobley, Green, Suggs
3. Cavaliers - Mobley, Green
4. Raptors - Suggs, Green
5. Magic - Barnes, Kuminga, Moody
6. Thunder - Barnes, Mitchell, Kuminga (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
7. Warriors - Moody, Jalen Johnson, Wagner
8. Magic - Barnes, Kuminga, Moody, Bouknight, or trade (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
9. Kings - Wagner, Moody, Jalen Johnson
10. Pelicans - Kispert or trade (these fans sound so depressed when I was reading their forum)
11. Hornets - Jackson, Sengun, Jones
12. Spurs - Sengun, Jones, Wagner, Giddey, Moody (from the poll)
How depressed do we sound when reading ST compared to those other fan forums?

[exstatic]

FWIW, Paul George is an 86.6% free throw shooter. The probability that he would miss both free throws is just 1.7%. In other words, Paul George missing both free throws had about the same odds as the Spurs winning the #1 overall pick today.

Playoff Pee.

[DeRozan m8]

How depressed do we sound when reading ST compared to those other fan forums?

Oh my fucking god I do not want Giddey....fuck

So overhyped....urgh

Fuck

[Dejounte]

How depressed do we sound when reading ST compared to those other fan forums?

honestly hasn’t been bad lately aside from a few on here… but it’s a roller coaster and it’ll probably ramp back up again soon

[exstatic]

I just hope whoever the spurs draft at 12 will make an immidiate impact this season,and not go the devin vassel ,luka,kj route

The problem is, players that are more ready on draft day are usually at or near their ceiling already. They’ve usually spent extra time in college developing. In other words, you’re not getting a potential star.

Players who ARE ready to play, AND who might develop Star power aren’t available at 12.

[Dejounte]

The problem is, players that are more ready on draft day are usually at or near their ceiling already. They’ve usually spent extra time in college developing. In other words, you’re not getting a potential star.

Players who ARE ready to play, AND who might develop Star power aren’t available at 12.

Sometimes they can be available. Mitchell came out firing. Klay. Obviously Kawhi. Myles Turner. Honestly, I’d probably count Keldon as one. He was a big contributor during the bubble.

Important to note that most of these guys are two way players.

[GreekSpursfan]

The last couple of days i tried to search about the top 15 guys in this draft, it's not looking good. It's imperative for us to tank next season, the talent pool is better.

[Dejounte]

The last couple of days i tried to search about the top 15 guys in this draft, it's not looking good. It's imperative for us to tank next season, the talent pool is better.

Wow. A couple days. You’ve spent so much time on this and your scouting prowess is so good.

[GreekSpursfan]

Wow. A couple days. You’ve spent so much time on this and your scouting prowess is so good.

I'm making a prediction, you think the talent pool is great, we'll see who's right

[bluebellmaniac]

I've spent the last hour looking really really hard at the top 15 prospects and I've decided that we need to tank next season.

/Research & Analysis

[exstatic]

Sometimes they can be available. Mitchell came out firing. Klay. Obviously Kawhi. Myles Turner. Honestly, I’d probably count Keldon as one. He was a big contributor during the bubble.

Important to note that most of these guys are two way players.

Mitchell, yes. Klay, yes. Kawhi was 8/5 out of the box. Not a ready to go player. Turner and Keldon are not stars.

I guess I should have said franchise guy. Star is too nebulous a term. In that case, only Mitchell contributed in a big way immediately, and is now the franchise guy, and wasn’t a high pick. You can get a franchise guy at 12, but he’s not going to be one in year one. Think Kawhi’s trajectory. He wasn’t a 20 ppg scorer or an All Star until year 5.

[Dejounte]

Mitchell, yes. Klay, yes. Kawhi was 8/5 out of the box. Not a ready to go player. Turner and Keldon are not stars.

I guess I should have said franchise guy. Star is too nebulous a term. In that case, only Mitchell contributed in a big way immediately, and is now the franchise guy, and wasn’t a high pick. You can get a franchise guy at 12, but he’s not going to be one in year one. Think Kawhi’s trajectory. He wasn’t a 20 ppg scorer or an All Star until year 5.

"who might develop Star power" from your first post and " he’s not going to be one in year one." from your latest post seem different to me. I was answering the first one. I don't know if Keldon will or will not develop into a star. But neither did anyone see Klay, Myles, and Kawhi turning into stars in their second or third year.

IMO, no need to continue this. Seems like we're just going to argue what you mean and what you didn't mean, and I don't think that'll be very interesting.

[Dejounte]

Happy for the Pistons and our Detroit fans on ST.

Especially love it how OKC and GS got the 6th and 7th pick in a 5 player draft.

Would have been better if T-Wolves landed a top 4 pick and GS didn't get a pick at all in the top 10

[exstatic]

"who might develop Star power" from your first post and " he’s not going to be one in year one." from your latest post seem different to me. I was answering the first one. I don't know if Keldon will or will not develop into a star. But neither did anyone see Klay, Myles, and Kawhi turning into stars in their second or third year.

IMO, no need to continue this. Seems like we're just going to argue what you mean and what you didn't mean, and I don't think that'll be very interesting.

You missed the AND in that line, but go ahead and punch out of the discussion, because you completely missed my point in the last sentence, with emphasized all caps words.

[Dejounte]

You missed the AND in that line, but go ahead and punch out of the discussion, because you completely missed my point in the last sentence, with emphasized all caps words.

"Players who ARE ready to play, AND who might develop Star power aren’t available at 12."

contradicts this:

"You can get a franchise guy at 12, but he’s not going to be one in year one. "

Tell me what the fuck did I miss?

I don't know why you keep following me around but I'll be on your fucking ass if you want me to and point out your shit in every post.

[PhantomDashCam]

If bored gents or after another big board, highly recommend digging into this one.
Goes 88 deep.
Well worth your time.

https://twitter.com/BrianJDraft/status/1407071780645347332?s=20

[exstatic]

"Players who ARE ready to play, AND who might develop Star power aren’t available at 12."

contradicts this:

"You can get a franchise guy at 12, but he’s not going to be one in year one. "

Tell me what the fuck did I miss?

I don't know why you keep following me around but I'll be on your fucking ass if you want me to and point out your shit in every post.

This discussion started when YOU jumped in after I responded to another poster. Get off my dick, fool. I’m not the follower, you are.

[Dejounte]

This discussion started when YOU jumped in after I responded to another poster. Get off my dick, fool. I’m not the follower, you are.

Ha! Sure, let's ignore your antics for the past week or so. You want me to be a follower so bad, so be it.

[Dex]

NBAdraft.net has us taking Kai Jones. Looks like a stretch 5, his comparisons on there are Jaxson Hayes and Jaren Jackson Jr. If he's an athletic big that can shoot, that's got to be good value at 12 right? Assuming he falls.

I don't think Kai makes it to 12, but I would take him if he was there.

[BackHome]

Estatic Vs Dejounte - This is going to be Epic so place your bets place your bets :hungry:

Don’t forget ur :corn:

[JeffDuncan]

How depressed do we sound when reading ST compared to those other fan forums?


This place is all sweetness and light compared to the 76ers fan forums.

I don’t know who I favor in the draft but it looks like there are some really nice possibilities at 12. I’m looking forward to draft night.

[Russ]

One guy who might rise based on combine stats is Jericho Sims (UT).

Not a big fan of him for the Spurs (maybe 2d round depending on who is there) but his metrics may intrigue those who are into that.

His wingspan of 7'3.25" is second among all those measured.

His standing jump (37") and max jump (44.5") are both first among those who chose to do it.

On the other hand, his w/o shoes height is a shockingly low 6'9".

He's older, a bit of a late bloomer, and has a tendency to disappear at times due to lack of aggressiveness/confidence -- but he also (at least arguably) suffered under the disfunction of the Shaka Smart regime.

I'm not sure he'll make it in the NBA, but he could be a value pick if he does.

I have a hunch he may move up the boards (despite the strangely low height measurement), maybe even late first round.

[HankChinaski]

I've spent twenty years NOT researching and scouting the top 15 and I agree we should tank based on my previous twenty years next years draft IS ALWAYS better.

[Dingle Barry]

I haven't been on the board much lately and just realized the Think Tank board is defunct. What happened there? I used to love that thing. Was a great way to discuss each prospect.

[Dingle Barry]

As a UT fan it's surprised me he hasn't been included in any mock drafts I've seen. I think he'll be a very good role player in the NBA and would be an excellent 2nd round pick.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

I haven't been on the board much lately and just realized the Think Tank board is defunct. What happened there? I used to love that thing. Was a great way to discuss each prospect.

wasnt it Bruno who did most of the posting in think tank

[Dejounte]

Moody being interviewed by the Cavs per his IG

[duncan2k5]

"Players who ARE ready to play, AND who might develop Star power aren’t available at 12."

contradicts this:

"You can get a franchise guy at 12, but he’s not going to be one in year one. "

Tell me what the fuck did I miss?

I don't know why you keep following me around but I'll be on your fucking ass if you want me to and point out your shit in every post.

Get em!

[exstatic]

Get em!

Bitch, I busted you up so many times, you’re reduced to being the peanut gallery. :lol

[rjv]

SB Nation has Spurs taking Jaden Springer, Bleacher Report-Josh Giddey, CBS-Isaiah Jackson, Rookie Wire-Josh Giddey, NBA.com-Franz Wagner, The Athletic-Kai Jones, NY Post-Corey Kispert, Sporting News-Jalen Johnson, Yahoo Sports-Josh Giddey and USA Today-Josh Giddey. I don't know what ESPN+ had. it'll get more interesting after the combine.

[The Truth #6]

If bored gents or after another big board, highly recommend digging into this one.
Goes 88 deep.
Well worth your time.

https://twitter.com/BrianJDraft/status/1407071780645347332?s=20

Some good stuff in there. Nice.

[The Truth #6]

SB Nation has Spurs taking Jaden Springer, Bleacher Report-Josh Giddey, CBS-Isaiah Jackson, Rookie Wire-Josh Giddey, NBA.com-Franz Wagner, The Athletic-Kai Jones, NY Post-Corey Kispert, Sporting News-Jalen Johnson, Yahoo Sports-Josh Giddey and USA Today-Josh Giddey. I don't know what ESPN+ had. it'll get more interesting after the combine.

Interesting. Almost all those players have a significant variance in how sites rank them, except Wagner, and Giddey to some degree. But Springer is top 10 occasionally and then in the 20s in others, same with Kispert, Johnson, and Jackson. I like Springer the most out of those I think, with the idea that he is undervalued and Giddey is overvalued.

[rjv]

Interesting. Almost all those players have a significant variance in how sites rank them, except Wagner, and Giddey to some degree. But Springer is top 10 occasionally and then in the 20s in others, same with Kispert, Johnson, and Jackson. I like Springer the most out of those I think, with the idea that he is undervalued and Giddey is overvalued.

giddey won't be at the combine but he will be in vegas with the aussie team; not sure if he gets too many minutes on such a deep squad but with simmons supposedly bowing out, maybe he'll get an opportunity.

[R. DeMurre]

If bored gents or after another big board, highly recommend digging into this one.
Goes 88 deep.
Well worth your time.

https://twitter.com/BrianJDraft/status/1407071780645347332?s=20

Great read-- thanks for posting. I too like Jaden Springer, Roko Prkacin, and Trey Murphy lll higher, and Kuminga lower. For me Kuminga is one of the scarier prospects. I think I'd take Wagner before Kuminga because he just seems to have too many red flags with poor 3pt%, poor FT%, poor metrics in the G league, poor feel, too many turnovers...

If Julian Champagnie doesn't get drafted, I like him as a 6'8" Bryn Forbes replacement.

[KobesAchilles]

This year I am a sizest. Who are the 4 names I should look up that are 6’6 or taller that could potentially fall in our draft range. Jw and thanks

[Russ]

As a UT fan it's surprised me he [Jericho Sims] hasn't been included in any mock drafts I've seen. I think he'll be a very good role player in the NBA and would be an excellent 2nd round pick.

He's currently the #54 pick in the 2d round on NBADraft.net. But you're right, many mocks don't seem to list him.

[SAGirl]

I just hope whoever the spurs draft at 12 will make an immidiate impact this season,and not go the devin vassel ,luka,kj route
Luka is already in a different route from Vassell and KJ. Some are trying to sell me on the K.Anderson route. We shall see what route that Luka is on.

But I do get the core of your wish. I do hope this rookie plays and is impactful from his first season… that would be someone special.

[rjv]

This year I am a sizest. Who are the 4 names I should look up that are 6’6 or taller that could potentially fall in our draft range. Jw and thanks

using just the over 6'6" criteria, some names would be:

1st round: josh giddey, corey kispert, alparen sengun and franz wagner and others would add kai jones, isaiah jackson, and usman garuba.

2nd round: j.t. thor, joe wieskamp, trey murphy III and day'son sharpe.

[manufan10]

As a UT fan it's surprised me he hasn't been included in any mock drafts I've seen. I think he'll be a very good role player in the NBA and would be an excellent 2nd round pick.


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