Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[mo7888]

After the debacle of a trade deadline and the implosion of the team on the court right now I thought I'd start a thread for everyone to focus on the draft. If we continue our slide in the rankings we could be looking at a top 10 pick. I'm linking the ESPN 'Best Available' list and I'm listing my top picks (not in order) out of the current top 10 on their list.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

Evan Mobley
Jonathan Kuminga
Franz Wagner
Corey Kispert
Isaiah Jackson (ok he's 11 on their list but I like his potential)
Cade Cunningham

[Spur4ever]

Since you’re saying top 10 pick I’ll go with Kai Jones from Texas and Queta from Utah St in the 2nd round

[mo7888]

Since you’re saying top 10 pick I’ll go with Kai Jones from Texas and Queta from Utah St in the 2nd round

I like Kai Jones and can definitely see him fitting here..

[Dejounte]

I was following the tournament and Kai Jones and especially Greg Brown had very disappointing performances. Not worthy of a lottery pick, IMO.

The can't miss prospects are: Mobley, Cade, and Kuminga.

After that, the Spurs should pick up a high upside 4/5 + better than typical BPA: Alperen, Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes

After that, NBA ready players like Vassell in this draft.

[duncan2150]

I was following the tournament and Kai Jones and especially Greg Brown had very disappointing performances. Not worthy of a lottery pick, IMO.

The can't miss prospects are: Mobley, Cade, and Kuminga.

After that, the Spurs should pick up a high upside 4/5 + better than typical BPA: Alperen, Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes

After that, NBA ready players like Vassell in this draft.

That's a nice list, i will had Roko Prkacin who looks good and promising ( he will be my next prospect thread) and offcourse Isaiah Jackson.

With the way the season is turning, they can try to add a shooter like Kispert who's in mo's list. He can shoot but i prefer Wagner who's more complete.

[mo7888]

I was following the tournament and Kai Jones and especially Greg Brown had very disappointing performances. Not worthy of a lottery pick, IMO.

The can't miss prospects are: Mobley, Cade, and Kuminga.

After that, the Spurs should pick up a high upside 4/5 + better than typical BPA: Alperen, Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes

After that, NBA ready players like Vassell in this draft.

I like Kai and think he's got a good bit of upside (just raw right now). I wouldn't have him in the top 10 but somewhere around 15 I'd start getting interested...

[PrimeMinister]

I personally would have a really hard time passing up Jalen Johnson if he’s on the board. I don’t have chance to talk with him and get an idea of how he might develop in the nba, but the upside of his physical tools is too much not to take a swing at. Legit top 5 talent with question marks.

As the dust settles from the tournament it looks like Wagner might be the pick of destiny. Right fit, right skillset, mocking in most drafts right about where the spurs are slated to pick. I’d be happy.

Greg brown if Wagner is gone. Sengun interests me with his Diaw like offensive skills but I see him getting pushed around in the nba defensively and in today’s nba isn’t a good fit for the 4.

They could strike gold in the lottery if they get smart and start losing now. Kuminga is my guy in the top 5

[R. DeMurre]

It's kinda depressing to sit here as a Spurs fan, and think longingly about having something as minor as two extra second round draft picks... but instead the owners saved the equivalent of a single year's salary for one very average bench player.

[Dejounte]

It's kinda depressing to sit here as a Spurs fan, and think longingly about having something as minor as two extra second round draft picks... but instead the owners saved the equivalent of a single year's salary for one very average bench player.

Which players do you replace on the roster for these second round picks?

[mo7888]

I personally would have a really hard time passing up Jalen Johnson if he’s on the board. I don’t have chance to talk with him and get an idea of how he might develop in the nba, but the upside of his physical tools is too much not to take a swing at. Legit top 5 talent with question marks.

As the dust settles from the tournament it looks like Wagner might be the pick of destiny. Right fit, right skillset, mocking in most drafts right about where the spurs are slated to pick. I’d be happy.

Greg brown if Wagner is gone. Sengun interests me with his Diaw like offensive skills but I see him getting pushed around in the nba defensively and in today’s nba isn’t a good fit for the 4.

They could strike gold in the lottery if they get smart and start losing now. Kuminga is my guy in the top 5

I love JJ's physical tools... I am a little skeptical that his outside shot is going to translate to the NBA. If it does he'd be around pick #5 for me... I'm just not convinced..

[Maddog]

It's kinda depressing to sit here as a Spurs fan, and think longingly about having something as minor as two extra second round draft picks... but instead the owners saved the equivalent of a single year's salary for one very average bench player.

It's a lot of fun to look at potential second round picks at a time when prospects are more potential than reality, but the stats on 2nd round success is dismal. You can always point out the exceptions like Jokic and argue that with a lot second rounders you increase the odds to land one of these exceptios. There may be something to that, but not sure I can remember where this worked. The Spurs have had more success with rehabbing others cast off second round picks or undrafteds (Green, Mils, Baynes, Eubanks)

I'm not exactly arguing against it, it gives us fans something to look forward to and dream of hitting it big at the roulette wheel.

[exstatic]

It's kinda depressing to sit here as a Spurs fan, and think longingly about having something as minor as two extra second round draft picks... but instead the owners saved the equivalent of a single year's salary for one very average bench player.

You understand that the NBA is a business, right? This isn’t fantasy or 2K. I’m sure most of the small market teams are struggling.

[RC_Drunkford]

Honestly if it's really worth it I'd package White and our pick to move up in this draft

[mo7888]

Honestly if it's really worth it I'd package White and our pick to move up in this draft

I'd be willing to add White or Murray if we could get into the top 5.

[PrimeMinister]

Honestly if it's really worth it I'd package White and our pick to move up in this draft

if they identify someone in the top 5 who is an actual franchise changing talent- everyone should be on the table.

[BackHome]

Honestly I think 7th or 8th is the best we could do so with that here is my list range from 8th to 15:

Corey Kispert - Best shooter in draft and a position of need SF
Scottie Barnes - your kinda buying on potential but a good chance in bet
Alperen Sengun - Just a baller has great touch though measurements will sway me I have seen his height listed from 6’8 to 6’10.
Karl Franz Wagner - A position of need and is a Swiss blade just does a lot
of everything
Moses Moody - He has legit potential and I think he would be our best SG on the team
Isiah Jackson - A twiner but a very athletic PF/C though he would have to add a lot of weight to play regular minutes at C
Zaire Williams - A position of need this is swinging for the fences
Day’Ron Sharper - A true Center could get minutes first year

As far as Kai and Brown man they were terrible in March madness maybe back end of first

[GAustex]

For the Texas Longhorns
Kai is real young and I think the better prospect

Brown is young too but kind of a jerk/poser-has a good shot and real athletic. May not be very smart.

I like Kai’s attitude more.
They both need to do some growing

[Thomas82]

My pipe dream pick is Evan Mobley, but I would be happy with Isaiah Jackson.

[mo7888]

If we can get in the top 10 and the Minny pick isn't top 3 and stays with GS (say #4 or #5)....I wonder if we could trade a player and our pick to move up? Mobley or Kuminga would be the dream..

[cd98]

We just need a monster scorer with 3 point range. We need the person we draft to be the star of the future, at least a two, put prayerfully a one.

[Russ]

It's a weak draft (again). Don't lament the Spurs not landing in the lottery.

Evan Mobley is clearly the best. For upside, I'd take Kai Jones at this early juncture.

[DesignatedT]

What are UT fans thoughts on Greg Brown? Spurs will probably pick between 12-16

[GAustex]

To me Brown was an enigma. Appears to have lots of potential. Good outside shot and jumps out of the gym.
Way too emotional-posing after dunks and getting teed up. Throwing fits on the bench. Wanting to fight. To me he is a risk but if everyone else is gone maybe worth the risk.
He is so young he may grow up.
Also I do not think he is very smart.

[Robz4000]

Spurs trade their pick to Milwaukee to bring back Brent Forms.

[lmbebo]

Not sure how it works with the play in tournament ... if we end up at 9 or 10, but do play in, are lottery eligible? How does that work? I could see us sliding down to 10 unless the Pelicans or Sac rises in the standings ...

[Robz4000]

What are UT fans thoughts on Greg Brown? Spurs will probably pick between 12-16

I was pretty high on him, but watching him quit in the tournament with his eye towards the draft kinda soured my opinion on him. Just doesn't have a winning mentality imo.

[Dejounte]

Not sure how it works with the play in tournament ... if we end up at 9 or 10, but do play in, are lottery eligible? How does that work? I could see us sliding down to 10 unless the Pelicans or Sac rises in the standings ...

Whatever the records are before the play in, the draft positions stay that way unless during the play-in a team outside of the top 8 knocks out a team in it, then they switch places.

[BackHome]

What are UT fans thoughts on Greg Brown? Spurs will probably pick between 12-16

They got beat by Abilene Christian Academy YES they lost to Abilene Christian Academy-so most of my friends are in shock, disbelief, definitely need a Hug.:rollin

Brown played a total of I think 6 minutes and scored a nice big ZERO - Jones did better he scored 13pts in 18 minutes of playing time. At the beginning of the year they talked about Brown being a top 10 now I am pretty sure Kia gets drafted way before him who I think will land late first.

[exstatic]

Not sure how it works with the play in tournament ... if we end up at 9 or 10, but do play in, are lottery eligible? How does that work? I could see us sliding down to 10 unless the Pelicans or Sac rises in the standings ...

If you play in, you’re outside of the lottery.

[Prime BEEF]

Honestly if it's really worth it I'd package White and our pick to move up in this draft
Yes please. The top of this draft is excellent.

[duncan2150]

We miss someone in our list. We talked about him a few weeks ago in particular with dejounte : Jeremiah Robinson Earl.

He's playing now vs Butler, i'm sure he'll be a legit nba player in some years, he can do pretty everything : rebound, pass, can shoot the three tough it's a work in progress, high IQ, good post player..

He's in my short list with Sengun, Wagner, Prkacin, Jalen Johnson and i have Isaiah Jackson just after that group.

[Dejounte]

We miss someone in our list. We talked about him a few weeks ago in particular with dejounte : Jeremiah Robinson Earl.

He's playing now vs Butler, i'm sure he'll be a legit nba player in some years, he can do pretty everything : rebound, pass, can shoot the three tough it's a work in progress, high IQ, good post player..

He's in my short list with Sengun, Wagner, Prkacin, Jalen Johnson and i have Isaiah Jackson just after that group.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTA6SJdWjWk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJZC0rkaIqg

Kind of looks like Aaron Gordon out there... Definitely looks like your typical new age PF.

I would trade down for him if his stock doesn't rise (it probably will) and if there's no one good at our spot.

[mo7888]

I watched (am watching) Baylor for the first time this season today... those two guards look interesting to me. Should be lower than we pick but, still interesting...

[GAustex]

They play that D and are smooth

[duncan2150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTA6SJdWjWk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJZC0rkaIqg

Kind of looks like Aaron Gordon out there... Definitely looks like your typical new age PF.

I would trade down for him if his stock doesn't rise (it probably will) and if there's no one good at our spot.

The good is that they will be eliminated by baylor tonight so no more games to showcase his skills. He will be somewhere between 8 and 15 imo

[jjspur]

Depending on where we land in the draft, I like Kispert and Wagner. Both guys look like they don't need to spend 2 plus years in Austin developing.

[duncan2150]

I watched (am watching) Baylor for the first time this season today... those two guards look interesting to me. Should be lower than we pick but, still interesting...


Yes Butler and Mitchell they both projected as late first for the moment, they look good.

[mo7888]

Yes Butler and Mitchell they both projected as late first for the moment, they look good.

Yep, I also like that they are so different from each other... if you're looking for a pg in that range you can consider fit since the talent level is similar.

[pad300]

If Alperen Sengun falls to us, we should draft him and run away laughing at other teams stupidity. That kid should be considered as part of the top 6 players in this draft...

[bluebellmaniac]

If Alperen Sengun falls to us, we should draft him and run away laughing at other teams stupidity. That kid should be considered as part of the top 6 players in this draft...

He's 18 and RAW AF. He'll be lucky to get drafted. Sign him to a 10 day after the draft and let him develop in the G-League, maybe on a 2-way.

[pad300]

He's 18 and RAW AF. He'll be lucky to get drafted. Sign him to a 10 day after the draft and let him develop in the G-League, maybe on a 2-way.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about. Sure, he's 18... he's also the Turkish league MVP. He'd be a high school senior over here... and that's a much tougher league than the NCAA.

[Gibbz]

If SA actually landed in the top 10, I'd want Scottie Barnes or Kispert.

[Kurgan]

if they identify someone in the top 5 who is an actual franchise changing talent- everyone should be on the table.

Yup. No one on the current roster is irreplaceable. If there's someone they really like, offer anyone on the team.

[duncan2150]

He's 18 and RAW AF. He'll be lucky to get drafted. Sign him to a 10 day after the draft and let him develop in the G-League, maybe on a 2-way.

Raw is totally the opposite than what he is, you would not find a lot of skilled player like him at the same age. There is a reason why he is a top 15 ESPN prospect or in the top 20 in a lot of mocks.

Imo you just did not know him or you're blind.

[bluebellmaniac]

Raw is totally the opposite than what he is, you would not find a lot of skilled player like him at the same age. There is a reason why he is a top 15 ESPN prospect or in the top 20 in a lot of mocks.

Imo you just did not know him or you're blind.

I don't know him and have not seen him play. I'm going off what I've been able to find on him. Hasn't been a whole lot. But what I did find has a lot for him to work on, which makes sense as he is only 18.

It's possible they pull a Sammy and take him unexpectedly in the first, but from what I read, I wouldn't expect that. Does anyone have vids on him to share what they mean about him being worth a top 6 pick?

[Dejounte]

I don't know him and have not seen him play. I'm going off what I've been able to find on him. Hasn't been a whole lot. But what I did find has a lot for him to work on, which makes sense as he is only 18.

It's possible they pull a Sammy and take him unexpectedly in the first, but from what I read, I wouldn't expect that. Does anyone have vids on him to share what they mean about him being worth a top 6 pick?

Not sure about him being top 6.

What is your definition of raw anyway?

To me, it's those players with all the athleticism in the world but have no skill.

Alperen has a ton of skill and exhibits great basketball IQ.

[bluebellmaniac]

Not sure about him being top 6.

What is your definition of raw anyway?

To me, it's those players with all the athleticism in the world but have no skill.

Alperen has a ton of skill and exhibits great basketball IQ.

By Raw, I mean he has lots to work on both offensively and defensively from what I read. He's not polished on either end.

Having a high BBIQ is very Spur-ish. How many years would it take for an unfinished 18 yo to play meaningful min on the team?

[exstatic]

By Raw, I mean he has lots to work on both offensively and defensively from what I read. He's not polished on either end.

Having a high BBIQ is very Spur-ish. How many years would it take for an unfinished 18 yo to play meaningful min on the team?

Third year.

[exstatic]

Not sure about him being top 6.

What is your definition of raw anyway?

To me, it's those players with all the athleticism in the world but have no skill.

Alperen has a ton of skill and exhibits great basketball IQ.

Your definition covers most players in the draft. If you’re 19, your drive is probably straight line, you have no rocker step move, and you don’t use the triple threat position. In addition, you’re probably not physically ready.

[Dejounte]

Your definition covers most players in the draft. If you’re 19, your drive is probably straight line, you have no rocker step move, and you don’t use the triple threat position. In addition, you’re probably not physically ready.

I agree. There's only few players in this draft who I consider "least raw" if that's the better term, and one of them is Sengun.

[pad300]

... How many years would it take for an unfinished 18 yo to play meaningful min on the team?

Who cares? He's potentially a ring-worthy #1 option. If that comes along at whatever draft slot, you take it and run. The fact that he's 18 makes it even better; he could be here a long time!

[exstatic]

Euros usually have better fundamentals, but they are frequently not physically ready for the demands of the NBA. Another kind of rawness.

[bluebellmaniac]

Who cares? He's potentially a ring-worthy #1 option. If that comes along at whatever draft slot, you take it and run. The fact that he's 18 makes it even better; he could be here a long time!

Now he's the next Lebron James, or better? WTF...

[Dejounte]

Another definition of raw:

Exhibits flashes of brilliance but doesn't convert it to consistent production. Alperen is averaging 20 and 9, so he's producing.

[RC_Drunkford]

If he's the MVP of the turkish league at 18 that's nothing to sneeze at. The turkish league is one of the strongest in Europe. He could develop into a Jokic type of player, but at only 6'9'' I'm not sure he's a Center in the NBA

[mo7888]

Watching the NIT finals and MSU has a real shot blocker in the middle (Ado is his name from Nigeria) . I love his verticality....looks like he has good length as well.... I'm not sure his skill level is draft worthy as a 2nd but as a free agent pickup (ala DE) he might have some upside...

[duncan2150]

I don't know him and have not seen him play. I'm going off what I've been able to find on him. Hasn't been a whole lot. But what I did find has a lot for him to work on, which makes sense as he is only 18.

It's possible they pull a Sammy and take him unexpectedly in the first, but from what I read, I wouldn't expect that. Does anyone have vids on him to share what they mean about him being worth a top 6 pick?

Thanks for your answer

i made a thread about him if you want more info, he's more a pick 15-20 or maybe 10-20.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289340&p=10430083#post10430083

[Mr. Body]

I still have the Spurs as a playoff team.

Player that intrigues me is Scottie Barnes. FSU is a great program and Barnes' size and skill set is a perfect fit for need.

[Russ]

I still have the Spurs as a playoff team.

Player that intrigues me is Scottie Barnes. FSU is a great program and Barnes' size and skill set is a perfect fit for need.

I agree, Barnes looks perfect for the Spurs (but likely gone where the Spurs draft). Come draft night, Kai Jones may have the best ability -- availability.

But Barnes would be great.

[Mr. Body]

Barnes would be so fucking brilliant, but yeah, he'll be gone by then.

[Dejounte]

My problem with Barnes is he can't shoot, and he's reluctant to shoot. A bad combo. Do we really need another one of those?

Don't get me wrong, I listed him as one of those players with high upside.

However, he'll be another one of those project-type players who will take years to show us anything with his lack of feel for the game.

[Mr. Body]

My problem with Barnes is he can't shoot, and he's reluctant to shoot. A bad combo. Do we really need another one of those?

Don't get me wrong, I listed him as one of those players with high upside.

However, he'll be another one of those project-type players who will take years to show us anything with his lack of feel for the game.

Do you mean Barnes?

[Russ]

My problem with Barnes is he can't shoot, and he's reluctant to shoot. A bad combo. Do we really need another one of those?

Don't get me wrong, I listed him as one of those players with high upside.

However, he'll be another one of those project-type players who will take years to show us anything with his lack of feel for the game.

If a guy (especially a big) can do everything but shoot, I think that plays right into the Spurs' wheelhouse.

He's like an undervalued (affordable) property that Chip will spruce up into a mansion.

That was the whole idea in drafting an undervalued Dejounte.

[Dejounte]

Do you mean Barnes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TK0FWFxbms

Yes, take a look at this video or other full games of Florida State.

His offense is pretty predictable and he often makes wrong reads:

1) Doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands on offense. Often ball watching, waiting for the ball to be passed to him.
2) Makes a pass to a teammate who has no room to dribble anywhere, highlighting the fact that he can't make great reads
3) Passive with his shot selection. Does a great imitation of Lonnie Walker at times.

Again, not saying he's not good. But the issues are glaring, and we're kind of too familiar with this story already with Dejounte & Lonnie. It'll be a frustrating first 3-4 years, so it's a matter of how much of a roller coaster we'll be able to bear when we're watching this guy.

My preference is to go for more "ready" guys or at least guys who can shoot because we're starving for those kinds of guys.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TK0FWFxbms

Yes, take a look at this video or other full games of Florida State.

His offense is pretty predictable and he often makes wrong reads:

1) Doesn't know what to do without the ball in his hands on offense. Often ball watching, waiting for the ball to be passed to him.
2) Makes a pass to a teammate who has no room to dribble anywhere, highlighting the fact that he can't make great reads
3) Passive with his shot selection. Does a great imitation of Lonnie Walker at times.

Again, not saying he's not good. But the issues are glaring, and we're kind of too familiar with this story already with Dejounte & Lonnie. It'll be a frustrating first 3-4 years, so it's a matter of how much of a roller coaster we'll be able to bear when we're watching this guy.

My preference is to go for more "ready" guys or at least guys who can shoot because we're starving for those kinds of guys.

Oh, my, you need to actually watch the games. You don't know what you're talking about.

[duncan2150]

I still have the Spurs as a playoff team.

Player that intrigues me is Scottie Barnes. FSU is a great program and Barnes' size and skill set is a perfect fit for need.

He will play in a few minutes vs Michigan

Imo he is a real project, he is not that good during the march madness but he's young and he has all the physical tools. Still he is projected in the top 10.

[Dejounte]

Oh, my, you need to actually watch the games. You don't know what you're talking about.

I gave you a game that wasn't purely highlights, and I've watched several of his games. Such a weak rebuttal, not sure why I expected more from you than your one dimensional responses.

[BackHome]

We really really need a guy who can provide good offense much better if it is a 3 ball and someone with decent handles

[Dejounte]

He will play in a few minutes vs Michigan

Imo he is a real project, he is not that good during the march madness but he's young and he has all the physical tools. Still he is projected in the top 10.
This is gonna be a fun watch. Franz just hit a fade-away jumper.

[mo7888]

This is gonna be a fun watch. Franz just hit a fade-away jumper.

This is a good match up... we're getting a real good look at what each guy brings... Wagner is obviously further ahead with his feel and skill set but, Barnes looks alot like a young Matrix with his athleticism...I can really see the appeal with each guy.

[Dejounte]

This is a good match up... we're getting a real good look at what each guy brings... Wagner is obviously further ahead with his feel and skill set but, Barnes looks alot like a young Matrix with his athleticism...I can really see the appeal with each guy.

It's weird though, they haven't defended each other a single second unless they did it when I looked away

[mo7888]

It's weird though, they haven't defended each other a single second unless they did it when I looked away

Barnes was on Wagner once but he was on the weakside and the ball went the other way.

[duncan2150]

This is gonna be a fun watch. Franz just hit a fade-away jumper.

Yes interesting game, nice dunk by Barnes i think his strenght is the physical tools and that's good to start. Like the way Wagner is playing. Watch Dickinson, Michigan's Center who is more of a old school center but only 19 and the leading scorer of the team.

[Dejounte]

Holy fuck that pass by Wagner to Dickinson

[mo7888]

Holy fuck that pass by Wagner to Dickinson

Lol...yup... I know which player Poeltl hopes we get!

[duncan2150]

Holy fuck that pass by Wagner to Dickinson


Nice !

[Dejounte]

Solid drive by Wagner and then shutting down Barnes on the other end.

[duncan2150]

Solid drive by Wagner and then shutting down Barnes on the other end.

Really like him, he looks very complete.

[Dejounte]

Barnes can't even stay on the floor in a critical game. Many times in this game he's been invisible when he's playing off ball. Dumb turnovers, too. It's everything I said earlier in this thread. He's for sure magical when he's driving to the basket. But like I said, get ready for a frustrating three years when you draft him.

[mo7888]

Barnes can't even stay on the floor in a critical game. Many times in this game he's been invisible when he's playing off ball. Dumb turnovers, too. It's everything I said earlier in this thread. He's for sure magical when he's driving to the basket. But like I said, get ready for a frustrating three years when you draft him.

I don't think it'll take him that long. He's got some elite attributes that a good coach can play to to get him on the floor earlier than that. .. now that I've said that, he is more of a boom or bust guy but I'd bet on him to boom... I wouldn't be upset at all if we got him and he'd look good next to Luka.... Wagner would be my preference though...he could play next to Luka or KJ seamlessly and his bbiq is impressive...needs to work on his outside shooting though... he's good but he needs to be close to elite to really max out his ability...

[Dejounte]

That ball fake....

[Dejounte]

There's a sense of purpose every time Franz has the ball... None of that dribble two times and then pass it off stuff that Lonnie likes (or liked? He's getting better) to do that drives Pop crazy.

[mo7888]

I hope Michigan play Gonzaga in the F4... I want to see Wagner and Kispert match up now..

[BatManu20]

Franz Wagner is making himself some money this tournament. Kid is a baller and will creep into the lottery before it’s all said and done imo.

[Dejounte]

Franz Wagner is making himself some money this tournament. Kid is a baller and will creep into the lottery before it’s all said and done imo.

Shouldn't have needed the tournament if scouts were doing their job properly... Franz has been doing this all year.

[spurraider21]

His brother became a first round pick because of the tournament

[duncan2150]

And remember that Franz is younger than Barnes or other top prospects like Suggs/Mobley.

[mo7888]

And remember that Franz is younger than Barnes or other top prospects like Suggs/Mobley.

Now that it something I didn't realize....wow

[duncan2150]

Now that it something I didn't realize....wow

Me too ! Just saw that on twitter a few hours ago.

About Sengun

https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648?s=20https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648?s=20https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648?s=20https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648?s=20https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1374483022121115648?s=20

[BatManu20]

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[timvp]

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Nice. Hopefully that's early enough that summer league can still happen in August.

[mo7888]

Jaden Springer (Tennessee) declared today. I like this kid... good defender as a combo guard...shot 43% from 3 this year... not a lottery pick but if we moved one of White or DJ he wouldn't be a bad replacement and his shooting might make him a better fit.

[Prime BEEF]

I think if there is a chance to trade up and get Mosley, Suggs or Cunningham you do it. Otherwise stay put. And imo everyone should be on the table for those trades if we have the opportunity to do them. That’s a big if though. Not sure those top 3 teams are going to want to trade those picks away.

[exstatic]

Jaden Springer (Tennessee) declared today. I like this kid... good defender as a combo guard...shot 43% from 3 this year... not a lottery pick but if we moved one of White or DJ he wouldn't be a bad replacement and his shooting might make him a better fit.

The only youngster I’m down with moving to bump up a handful of spots is Lonnie.

[mo7888]

The only youngster I’m down with moving to bump up a handful of spots is Lonnie.

If there's someone we really like I'm fine with moving anyone to move up into the top 8.

[BackHome]

Yeah, I think the top 4 are LEGIT ELITE talent with zero chance of them trading out of that range - after that you might get someone to bite from 5 - 9 but it will be expensive - around 10 past I can see teams doing trades if it makes sense for both teams.

[Dejounte]

IMO each team's needs:

T-Wolves - SF or PF
Pistons - SG
Rockets - SG, SF, PF
Magic - Everything
Wizards - SG, C
Cavaliers - SF, PF
Raptors - SG, C
Thunder - SG, SF, PF, C
Pelicans - SG
Kings - SG, SF, PF, C
Pacers - SG, SF
Warriors - SF
Grizzlies - SG, SF
Hawks - SG, SF

Looking at this, teams that are a threat to taking the prospects (PF) I would like are: T-Wolves, Rockets, Cavs, Thunder, Kings, Grizzlies.

Hopefully none take Wagner!

[mo7888]

IMO each team's needs:

T-Wolves - SF or PF
Pistons - SG
Rockets - SG, SF, PF
Magic - Everything
Wizards - SG, C
Cavaliers - SF, PF
Raptors - SG, C
Thunder - SG, SF, PF, C
Pelicans - SG
Kings - SG, SF, PF, C
Pacers - SG, SF
Warriors - SF
Grizzlies - SG, SF
Hawks - SG, SF

Looking at this, teams that are a threat to taking the prospects (PF) I would like are: T-Wolves, Rockets, Cavs, Thunder, Kings, Grizzlies.

Hopefully none take Wagner!

You've watched more film on Wagner than most on here....what do you think of his shooting stroke from deep? That's my only concern really..

[GAustex]

I have not watched Wagner much either except yesterday and he abused Florida State.
Is he tough enough to rebound and defend?

[BatManu20]

I have not watched Wagner much either except yesterday and he abused Florida State.
Is he tough enough to rebound and defend?

Doesn’t matter. He’ll be long gone before we pick barring a trade.

[Dejounte]

You've watched more film on Wagner than most on here....what do you think of his shooting stroke from deep? That's my only concern really..

I think the key thing that's usually ignored in shot improvement is knowing when to take them. You can teach + improve your shot mechanics but if you always shoot them out of rhythm, odds are against you being a consistent shooter. This is what Franz already has in spades, and frankly I'm not a shot expert but from my point of view is he just needs a little tweak.

[mo7888]

I think the key thing that's usually ignored in shot improvement is knowing when to take them. You can teach + improve your shot mechanics but if you always shoot them out of rhythm, odds are against you being a consistent shooter. This is what Franz already has in spades, and frankly I'm not a shot expert but from my point of view is he just needs a little tweak.

I appreciate the insight..

[exstatic]

If there's someone we really like I'm fine with moving anyone to move up into the top 8.

Top 3 maybe. I’m not trading DJ for anything lower than that. YMMV.

[barakz21]

Haven’t really paid attention to where the Spurs pick, but if the team doesn’t make it to the playoffs, they get a lottery pick right? But do they get a lottery pick over an EC team that made the playoffs but with a worse record?

[Rummpd]

Spurs FO will mess this up too so why care right now?

[ragas]

I don't know about Cunningham. Has he the athleticsm and quickness (first step) to be "the" guy in the NBA? After all the games I'v seen him playing, I'm not so sure. He sometimes struggled big time finishing at the rim. And although he's a good passer, he also had games with terrible turnovers.

Don't get me wrong. He's good, but is he really a top3 player in this draft?

[duncan2150]

If i move up in the top 3 it will only be for Evan Mobley. Modern big, complete player ... the best big of this class by far.


Haven’t really paid attention to where the Spurs pick, but if the team doesn’t make it to the playoffs, they get a lottery pick right? But do they get a lottery pick over an EC team that made the playoffs but with a worse record?

Yes all playoff teams are not in the lottery.

[exstatic]

Haven’t really paid attention to where the Spurs pick, but if the team doesn’t make it to the playoffs, they get a lottery pick right? But do they get a lottery pick over an EC team that made the playoffs but with a worse record?

During the actual lottery, they draw for the first 4 draft positions, and the rest are slotted by inverse records, regardless of conference.

[look_at_g_shred]

IMO each team's needs:

T-Wolves - SF or PF
Pistons - SG
Rockets - SG, SF, PF
Magic - Everything
Wizards - SG, C
Cavaliers - SF, PF
Raptors - SG, C
Thunder - SG, SF, PF, C
Pelicans - SG
Kings - SG, SF, PF, C
Pacers - SG, SF
Warriors - SF
Grizzlies - SG, SF
Hawks - SG, SF

Looking at this, teams that are a threat to taking the prospects (PF) I would like are: T-Wolves, Rockets, Cavs, Thunder, Kings, Grizzlies.

Hopefully none take Wagner!
I can see Memphis taking him tbh. They've been real good at drafting lately.

[pad300]

... Evan Mobley. Modern big, complete player ... the best big of this class by far. ...

I figure there's about a 70% chance you're right here. But I do think people are underestimating Sengun.

Yeah, you've heard it before, 18 yrs old (younger), MVP in a tougher league... blah, blah, blah. He's much more productive than Mobley (http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=evan-mobley--alperen-sengun) , and that's Turkish league stats straight up against NCAA...

I suspect he's bigger than people are suggesting (most think he's 6'9") - here's a recent shot of him beside Mehmet Okur (who was 6'11" in the NBA and played C in a larger era)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvLTrqQWYAU2H6J?format=jpg&name=small

I don't think he's too small to be an NBA C. He looks to have long arms to me...

Also, he's more athletic than people are giving him credit for:

How many NBA bigs can do a 360 dunk in game, without travelling:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376163640613699585

Check the show and recover to his man on this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1356290421677301760

He gets partially picked and still gets to this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376130239798112258

The putback at 1:13. He starts his jump from the top of the restricted circle, and finishes at the side of the basket, not the front - that's pretty good jumping
https://youtu.be/msx6nKuN76o
(and also at 2:37, he gets some air).

[ragas]

I‘ve never seen him play, but he‘s 6‘10 at most, when I look at the picture.

[rankingtear]

i think Sengun measurement of 6'9 is barefoot and Okur is the old NBA measurement of with shoes.

[duncan2150]

I figure there's about a 70% chance you're right here. But I do think people are underestimating Sengun.

Yeah, you've heard it before, 18 yrs old (younger), MVP in a tougher league... blah, blah, blah. He's much more productive than Mobley (http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=evan-mobley--alperen-sengun) , and that's Turkish league stats straight up against NCAA...

I suspect he's bigger than people are suggesting (most think he's 6'9") - here's a recent shot of him beside Mehmet Okur (who was 6'11" in the NBA and played C in a larger era)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvLTrqQWYAU2H6J?format=jpg&name=small

I don't think he's too small to be an NBA C. He looks to have long arms to me...

Also, he's more athletic than people are giving him credit for:

How many NBA bigs can do a 360 dunk in game, without travelling:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376163640613699585

Check the show and recover to his man on this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1356290421677301760

He gets partially picked and still gets to this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376130239798112258

The putback at 1:13. He starts his jump from the top of the restricted circle, and finishes at the side of the basket, not the front - that's pretty good jumping
https://youtu.be/msx6nKuN76o
(and also at 2:37, he gets some air).


I love Sengun, i made a thread about him , i agree he can be a C in the NBA. https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289340&p=10430083#post10430083

He is my pick for the upcoming draft, after him i have wagner or jeremiah earl robinson.

[objective]

I saw highlights of Sengun before seeing any profile and was stunned to see him listed at 6-9. He just looked so much bigger.

[duncan2150]

I saw highlights of Sengun before seeing any profile and was stunned to see him listed at 6-9. He just looked so much bigger.


Yes that's strange and you have some reports listing him at 6'10 and other at 6'9. We'll have some updates near the draft.

[BackHome]

Yeah, I like the kid but I have seen him listed from 6'8 to 6'10 - If he is 6'10 no problems in drafting him - I think him and Luka would be a great pairing the kids is smart and has a nose for the ball he just knows where to be to get a rebound or put back it is very Rodman like. His footwork in the paint is outstanding a very high level for his age that really shocked me also like that he can get you rebounds but also get you points doesn't need his number called and is not scarred to score -

[mo7888]

Hopefully those last couple shots missed by Wagner will drop him a lil bit so we might have a chance... I still maintain that his outside shot is my only question mark with this kid..

[Thomas82]

If i move up in the top 3 it will only be for Evan Mobley. Modern big, complete player ... the best big of this class by far.

This is exactly what we need this summer, but I know it's much easier said than done. He's my pipe dream pick this year.

[ragas]

My Top 3 after the NCAA-tournament are:

1a. Evan Mobley (position of need!)
1b. Jalen Green
1c. Jalen Suggs

My second tier: Cunningham

But I wonder if there's a chance the Spurs can get into that draft range. In the Spurs draft range (probably 10-20) I like the most:

Kai Jones (because of size I would prefer him over Johnson & Wagner)
Jalen Johnson
Franz Wagner

And then 2 guys with a lot of athleticsm, good defense, but a huge questionmark, which is their shooting:

Greg Brown
Scottie Barnes (top10 in most mock drafts, but could slide)

@Alperen Sengun: I've never seen him play. So I didn't add him to my list. I looked at his numbers. Not bad, although his 3p-shooting is concerning, but he has a good free-throw-percentage, so there's a chance he can get better.

EDIT: If I were the Spurs I would also take a look at Isaiah Mobley (at least a candidate for their 2nd rounder). He's not bad and fills a lot of boxes of the Spurs needs. The brothers seem to be really close. :eyebrows

[mo7888]

My Top 3 after the NCAA-tournament are:

1a. Evan Mobley (position of need!)
1b. Jalen Green
1c. Jalen Suggs

My second tier: Cunningham

But I wonder if there's a chance the Spurs can get into that draft range. In the Spurs draft range (probably 10-20) I like the most:

Kai Jones (because of size I would prefer him over Johnson & Wagner)
Jalen Johnson
Franz Wagner

And then 2 guys with a lot of athleticsm, good defense, but a huge questionmark, which is their shooting:

Greg Brown
Scottie Barnes (top10 in most mock drafts, but could slide)

@Alperen Sengun: I've never seen him play. So I didn't add him to my list. I looked at his numbers. Not bad, although his 3p-shooting is concerning, but he has a good free-throw-percentage, so there's a chance he can get better.

EDIT: If I were the Spurs I would also take a look at Isaiah Mobley (at least a candidate for their 2nd rounder). He's not bad and fills a lot of boxes of the Spurs needs. The brothers seem to be really close. :eyebrows

If the Spurs think Wagner has the ability to develope a knock down 3 (and I have no idea if they think he can) then I have him #4 on my personal board behind Mobley, Kuminga, and Cunningham. If they don't think he can be that shooter I have him between 10-15.

[look_at_g_shred]

What is everyone's opinion on Juzang? Late first? Sure fire second rounder?

[Truckules]

My Top 3 after the NCAA-tournament are:

1a. Evan Mobley (position of need!)
1b. Jalen Green
1c. Jalen Suggs

My second tier: Cunningham

But I wonder if there's a chance the Spurs can get into that draft range. In the Spurs draft range (probably 10-20) I like the most:

Kai Jones (because of size I would prefer him over Johnson & Wagner)
Jalen Johnson
Franz Wagner

And then 2 guys with a lot of athleticsm, good defense, but a huge questionmark, which is their shooting:

Greg Brown
Scottie Barnes (top10 in most mock drafts, but could slide)

@Alperen Sengun: I've never seen him play. So I didn't add him to my list. I looked at his numbers. Not bad, although his 3p-shooting is concerning, but he has a good free-throw-percentage, so there's a chance he can get better.

EDIT: If I were the Spurs I would also take a look at Isaiah Mobley (at least a candidate for their 2nd rounder). He's not bad and fills a lot of boxes of the Spurs needs. The brothers seem to be really close. :eyebrows

I'm hoping that other FOs overthink it and lower Jalen Johnson on their board because of him opting out. He's exactly what the Spurs need at the 4. Good size and athleticism. Good rebounder and weakside defender. Smart and skilled passer. His shot is a little worrying, but I'm confident that Chip can help out there.

[The Truth #6]

I figure there's about a 70% chance you're right here. But I do think people are underestimating Sengun.

Yeah, you've heard it before, 18 yrs old (younger), MVP in a tougher league... blah, blah, blah. He's much more productive than Mobley (http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=evan-mobley--alperen-sengun) , and that's Turkish league stats straight up against NCAA...

I suspect he's bigger than people are suggesting (most think he's 6'9") - here's a recent shot of him beside Mehmet Okur (who was 6'11" in the NBA and played C in a larger era)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvLTrqQWYAU2H6J?format=jpg&name=small

I don't think he's too small to be an NBA C. He looks to have long arms to me...

Also, he's more athletic than people are giving him credit for:

How many NBA bigs can do a 360 dunk in game, without travelling:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376163640613699585

Check the show and recover to his man on this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1356290421677301760

He gets partially picked and still gets to this block:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376130239798112258

The putback at 1:13. He starts his jump from the top of the restricted circle, and finishes at the side of the basket, not the front - that's pretty good jumping
https://youtu.be/msx6nKuN76o
(and also at 2:37, he gets some air).

Thanks for those clips.

Random thoughts: I'm definitely intrigued by this guy. Seems very fluid. I'm still getting up to speed, but I'm thinking he has more upside than Wagner.

A productive 4 would be helpful in the draft, and ideally someone with some shooting and passing as well. Having said that, sometimes you have to get the best player available. Wagner looks to have a high floor, but is listed as a guard in college as well as some boards. Granted, positions are fluid. But I like that Sengun is a definite big. But will he still be around in the mid-teens?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/w_a_morris/status/1377254397743411208?s=19

I've been down on Garuba because his offense is 1 dimensional and he has no handle, but his defense looks pretty good here. IMO, we need a little more creativity on offense so that's the only thing holding me back from prospects like him.

[Dejounte]

RE: Sengun

I like him but he's a serious tweener. It's not only length but his strength. If he's a C, can he hold his ground against the stronger centers in the NBA? If he's a PF, can he move quicker than Keldon can laterally? If not, then I don't think you can play those two together.

His offense is great, but it's going to be a tough one to see where he'll fit defensively.

That being said, if we're picking late and he's still available, you absolutely get him.

[The Truth #6]

I watched more clips of Sengun. First impression. He seems very coordinated, as with that 360 dunk, but somehow also sort of unathletic. I think he will be blocked a lot in the post in the NBA. Seems to have very little vertical pop. Solid footwork, and evidently likes to study post moves by Tim and Hakeem, but the moves seem slow. Seems to have good BBIQ. Some nice passes from the post. His outside shot isn't a big part of his game it seems, but his 3P percentages seem to be going up. I think he would have to play the 5, which lowers my interest in him some, especially if we resign Dieng.

Edit: to follow up on Dejounte's point, I think he is definitely strong. Huge upper body. Looks way bigger than 6'9". But I think he will get roasted in switches on the perimeter.

[Dejounte]

I watched more clips of Sengun. First impression. He seems very coordinated, as with that 360 dunk, but somehow also sort of unathletic. I think he will be blocked a lot in the post in the NBA. Seems to have very little vertical pop. Solid footwork, and evidently likes to study post moves by Tim and Hakeem, but the moves seem slow. Seems to have good BBIQ. Some nice passes from the post. His outside shot isn't a big part of his game it seems, but his 3P percentages seem to be going up. I think he would have to play the 5, which lowers my interest in him some, especially if we resign Dieng.

Edit: to follow up on Dejounte's point, I think he is definitely strong. Huge upper body. Looks way bigger than 6'9". But I think he will get roasted in switches on the perimeter.

Honestly, he still looks like he has baby fat. I wonder if he'll still grow. If he has a good work ethic, I think there's places he could go athletically. I look at Sengun and I recall how Marc Gasol used to look like as a rookie.

[Dejounte]

https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/67627648_10157255998211271_4866981653345468416_n.j pg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=2YwI2YGLM5IAX_VfZTo&_nc_ht=scontent.fhou1-2.fna&oh=ab1b14b7a5793a3babb4b5b09f1cf176&oe=6089114A

Keep in mind: this is a photo taken two years ago when Alperen was still ~16.

Usman Garuba is 6'8". The guy in the middle is listed at 6'11".

[duncan2150]

Imo he will be a C in the NBA , i don't know how he can guard the perimeter maybe he will have some difficulties but he would not be a liability imo. On offense, i have no doubt about him because of his IQ, hustle, post moves, footwork ...

I agree with dejounte on the baby fat, he can slim down a little bit and to the truth, i understand this impression of a so so athlet but he can have some burst and is not that slow.


https://twitter.com/w_a_morris/status/1377254397743411208?s=19

I've been down on Garuba because his offense is 1 dimensional and he has no handle, but his defense looks pretty good here. IMO, we need a little more creativity on offense so that's the only thing holding me back from prospects like him.

He is a nice prospect, i agree with you for the shoot. His height also can be a concern as a 6'8 inside guy but he has a ton of upside.

[PrimeMinister]

Does anyone see Sengun being passable at the rim defensively in the nba

and if not will his offense be transcendent enough at his position to make up for the defensive concerns

Huge bust potential if someone takes him in the lottery tbh.

[exstatic]

Honestly, he still looks like he has baby fat. I wonder if he'll still grow. If he has a good work ethic, I think there's places he could go athletically. I look at Sengun and I recall how Marc Gasol used to look like as a rookie.

Jokic, too.

[duncan2150]

Does anyone see Sengun being passable at the rim defensively in the nba

and if not will his offense be transcendent enough at his position to make up for the defensive concerns

Huge bust potential if someone takes him in the lottery tbh.

The concern is more about the perimeter D, wich is an unknow but he is a good rim protector, not elite but good.

For the bust potential , except maybe 2-3 guys a lot have it.

[The Truth #6]

If Sengun has even 1/3 the passing ability of Jokic or Marc Gasol, then that would be huge. Most of the clips I'm seeing are focusing on him scoring, as expected for highlight reels.

[RC_Drunkford]

I can’t picture Sengun guarding Embiid. He looks more like a 4 to me. He’s a high risk pick. Either he will be very good or a bust

[Truckules]

The concern I have with Sengun is that everything I've read and seen about him emphasizes the post-up part of his offense, but the post-up is all but dead in the NBA. Embiid is the one exception to that, but he's still a good shooter, and one of the best interior defenders in the NBA.

[The Truth #6]

I can’t picture Sengun guarding Embiid. He looks more like a 4 to me. He’s a high risk pick. Either he will be very good or a bust

He is shorter than Yak, but looks way stronger as far as I can tell. But big picture, very few people can guard Embiid. I'm more worried about him getting roasted on the perimeter like LMA was this year.

[duncan2150]

He is shorter than Yak, but looks way stronger as far as I can tell. But big picture, very few people can guard Embiid. I'm more worried about him getting roasted on the perimeter like LMA was this year.


+1

[tbdog]

https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/262106/2021-NBA-Cap-Space-Projecting-All-30-Teams-Version-20

[mo7888]

https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/262106/2021-NBA-Cap-Space-Projecting-All-30-Teams-Version-20

That's alot of cap space chasing a poor FA class...

[PrimeMinister]

Stronger than Jakob Poeltl?

I know I’m not seeing actual commenters on a basketball forum calling Sengun stronger than Poeltl because he can throw his body into 6’8 centers of the euro league

furthermore with his limitations in height and length the concern is at the rim. Maybe he can contest guards in Turkey but if you think Ja Morant is sizing up Sengun and sees anything other than barbecue chicken in the restricted area you are naive as FUCK.

[rankingtear]

Too much love for undersized backup centers in this board. Precious/Smith was the favorites last year.

[duncan2150]

Too much love for undersized backup centers in this board. Precious/Smith was the favorites last year.

6'10 is undersized for you ? i talk about smith .

You don't seem to understand a lot of the talks here, if you have followed last year draft talk they were not favorites. Precious fell off quickly, smith was one of the prospects the forum like but so as pat williams and others...

[duncan2150]

What do people think of Kispert ? Not your prospect with a lot of potential but he could fill the need of shooting, he is lethal in that area.
True SF imo with good size, Not an elite athlet, doesn't look bad but not explosive, he can drive, shoot of the dribble....

The concern are his age and ceilling and he could be gone before our pick. And the Defense, i don't how he will be in the NBA but i think he can guard correctly SF not named Durant, Kawhi....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4S8xInBcFw

A little bit long but interesting.

[TD 21]

Since I could see them targeting McDermott in free agency, I could obviously see them targeting Kispert in the draft first and they're likely to end up picking in his current projected range of late lottery too.

The number one thing I want to see them place a premium on and target in every acquisition from now on, is 3-point shooting. I don't care if some higher ranked prospect with intriguing physical tools falls to them or projects to be available in their range. If they're not already minimally above average (% + volume), forget it.

Already, there's an issue going forward with Murray, Poeltl and Johnson. They can't afford to exacerbate it further.

[DesignatedT]

I like Kispert and he’s probably the most ready SF in the draft being a senior. I think Joe Harris in Brooklyn. I think concerns are defense and like you said, limited ceiling.

I think Wagner, Barnes, and Johnson are better SF prospects although Kispert could provide much needed shooting.

[BackHome]

That is a question I keep asking do we draft for "Value" or do we draft for "Need"? I am on the Tank crew and I am hoping that we can get into the 7 to 12 range which won't give us an Elite player it will give us a legit starter and probably the best player on the Spurs. To me there are so just so many concerns on this team that I can see the Spurs taking a player at all positions to PG to Center if the "Value" is there.

Some of the concerns is Murray is a he a legit PG of the future and if Derozz leaves can he take up the assist that he was providing? Then there is Keldon our spark plug he really needs to improve his 3 ball he as one poster noted can not play with Poodle because Poodle has ZERO offense. I don't think people understand how Poodle gives such and advantage to other teams when they have to play defense as all they have to do is back the paint to shut our who team down. I do think that Keldon will be very good paired with Luka or Dieng on the floor and should probably come off the bench next season.

I am still hoping the Spurs can move Derozz and hopefully get a first out of the trade as this teams needs more talent then just one player - It would be nice to get a SF who has 3 ball range and then draft a SG who can hit 3 ball and who is also a good defender or a C who is mobile and has good outside shooting.

[3&D_TBH]

I like Kispert and he’s probably the most ready SF in the draft being a senior. I think Joe Harris in Brooklyn. I think concerns are defense and like you said, limited ceiling.

I think Wagner, Barnes, and Johnson are better SF prospects although Kispert could provide much needed shooting. I think Wagner has a higher ceiling than Kispert, and he is probably better all around, but her sure did shit the bed in Michigan's elimination game the other day. Still agree with you though. It was just one game.

[mo7888]

What do people think of Kispert ? Not your prospect with a lot of potential but he could fill the need of shooting, he is lethal in that area.
True SF imo with good size, Not an elite athlet, doesn't look bad but not explosive, he can drive, shoot of the dribble....

The concern are his age and ceilling and he could be gone before our pick. And the Defense, i don't how he will be in the NBA but i think he can guard correctly SF not named Durant, Kawhi....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4S8xInBcFw

A little bit long but interesting.

I like Kispert.... I think his ceiling is fairly limited but his floor is pretty high... he has an elite skill and he is an adequate athlete... I think he's an athletic version of Korver...I wouldn't be disappointed with him at all..

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1378140850115342337?s=19

https://twitter.com/BradyKlopferNBA/status/1378146043427086337?s=19

https://twitter.com/YahooCASports/status/1378141671632801793?s=19



Warriors down 50 right now against the Raptors and it's still 3rd quarter.

I said this before: typically 3 out of the top 10 players become stars in every draft. It may be Wiseman is not one of those three.

[ace3g]

^

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[timvp]

https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1378140850115342337?s=19

https://twitter.com/BradyKlopferNBA/status/1378146043427086337?s=19

https://twitter.com/YahooCASports/status/1378141671632801793?s=19



Warriors down 50 right now against the Raptors and it's still 3rd quarter.

I said this before: typically 3 out of the top 10 players become stars in every draft. It may be Wiseman is not one of those three.

Yeah, Wiseman is an awesome prospect if you watch the highlights. If you watch him actually play, he has a loooooooooooong way to go.

[R. DeMurre]

That is a question I keep asking do we draft for "Value" or do we draft for "Need"? I am on the Tank crew and I am hoping that we can get into the 7 to 12 range which won't give us an Elite player it will give us a legit starter and probably the best player on the Spurs. To me there are so just so many concerns on this team that I can see the Spurs taking a player at all positions to PG to Center if the "Value" is there.

Some of the concerns is Murray is a he a legit PG of the future and if Derozz leaves can he take up the assist that he was providing? Then there is Keldon our spark plug he really needs to improve his 3 ball he as one poster noted can not play with Poodle because Poodle has ZERO offense. I don't think people understand how Poodle gives such and advantage to other teams when they have to play defense as all they have to do is back the paint to shut our who team down. I do think that Keldon will be very good paired with Luka or Dieng on the floor and should probably come off the bench next season.

I am still hoping the Spurs can move Derozz and hopefully get a first out of the trade as this teams needs more talent then just one player - It would be nice to get a SF who has 3 ball range and then draft a SG who can hit 3 ball and who is also a good defender or a C who is mobile and has good outside shooting.

I think best talent is how the Spurs have to go. I just don't think they have the luxury of narrowing their choices. They've got quality #3 through #7/#8 type players for a championship level team, but are definitely lacking a #1 and possibly a #2.

[R. DeMurre]

I really thought the Warriors might shock the world and draft Haliburton... I guess we can be glad that didn't happen, because a healthy Steph/Klay/Haliburton/Green would be pretty deadly.

[Dejounte]

IMO, the "chosen 3" from the top 10 of the 2020 draft are:

LaMelo, Anthony Edwards, Patrick Williams

Everyone else, I believe, will be solid role players, borderline all star, or out of the league.

I wasn't sold on LaMelo at all, but I guess street ball is in session in today's league. Makes someone like Joshua Giddey intriguing in the upcoming draft. Players who try a lot of weird shit that makes you think they're fucking nuts. Haliburton fits this category, too. These guys ooze confidence, so no matter how ugly their form looks, the shots still go in because of their confidence and their willingness to try outlandish shit.

Anthony Edwards was another player I didn't think would turn out good. And maybe he's at an advantage because he's given the reins to take as many shots as he wants. But he certainly looks the part of a star, and it might be due to his insane athleticism. He's also extremely confident too, based on his interviews.

Confidence is #1 when finding a prospect. That's what I've learned from the past draft.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/HQ-ebdvukO0


https://youtu.be/t1hxEGxm6FY


https://youtu.be/1YJIFT5FGLo



Confidence, confidence, confidence...

I don't care if he has T-rex arms.

This dude has the same absurdity to try shit as stars do.

This team needs that X-factor.

[The Truth #6]

Stronger than Jakob Poeltl?

I know I’m not seeing actual commenters on a basketball forum calling Sengun stronger than Poeltl because he can throw his body into 6’8 centers of the euro league

furthermore with his limitations in height and length the concern is at the rim. Maybe he can contest guards in Turkey but if you think Ja Morant is sizing up Sengun and sees anything other than barbecue chicken in the restricted area you are naive as FUCK.

To clarify, are you suggesting Yah is actually strong? He's nimble, thin, and comes from a family of volleyball players. Not saying he's a pushover, but I don't see him as particularly strong. Luckily for him, the league favors thin, quick footed players who can guard the perimeter. Sengun may not be as tall but his upper body is massive and he has a stout base. Yeah, he definitely seems strong compared to Yak.

[The Truth #6]

https://youtu.be/HQ-ebdvukO0


https://youtu.be/t1hxEGxm6FY


https://youtu.be/1YJIFT5FGLo



Confidence, confidence, confidence...

I don't care if he has T-rex arms.

This dude has the same absurdity to try shit as stars do.

This team needs that X-factor.

Those are definitely qualities we need. I need to watch more of this guy, though. I'm trying to figure out if he could hang with NBA athletes is my first concern.

[Dejounte]

Those are definitely qualities we need. I need to watch more of this guy, though. I'm trying to figure out if he could hang with NBA athletes is my first concern.

Looks quicker than Kispert, at least...

Keeping Mills *vomit* makes sense if we draft Giddey for that Australian connection.

Btw, entertaining interview...


https://youtu.be/ocDOabHvfSs

[mo7888]

Looks quicker than Kispert, at least...

Keeping Mills *vomit* makes sense if we draft Giddey for that Australian connection.

Btw, entertaining interview...


https://youtu.be/ocDOabHvfSs

So who do we trade...DJ or White? I don't think we keep both and add Giddey would we?

[Dejounte]

So who do we trade...DJ or White? I don't think we keep both and add Giddey would we?

I think he fits in just fine if DeMar is gone. We lose a lot of playmaking/ shot creating without DeMar, that's Giddey's calling card...

Or if DeMar stays for two years *vomit*, Giddey is groomed to takeover on the typical Spurs youth development plan...

[The Truth #6]

I think he fits in just fine if DeMar is gone. We lose a lot of playmaking/ shot creating without DeMar, that's Giddey's calling card...

Or if DeMar stays for two years *vomit*, Giddey is groomed to takeover on the typical Spurs youth development plan...

Don't get me wrong, he seems to do well at high levels of competition. Definitely seems worth a chance if he's around. The cynical side of me thinks: it's not who do we trade, but what player next forces a trade. It's a wild world post Big Three. We have to draft what the team needs and go with that. Since Kawhi, we've done it backwards and try to make the unworkable seem rational. But I digress.

[PhantomDashCam]

IMO, the "chosen 3" from the top 10 of the 2020 draft are:

LaMelo, Anthony Edwards, Patrick Williams

Everyone else, I believe, will be solid role players, borderline all star, or out of the league.

I wasn't sold on LaMelo at all, but I guess street ball is in session in today's league. Makes someone like Joshua Giddey intriguing in the upcoming draft. Players who try a lot of weird shit that makes you think they're fucking nuts. Haliburton fits this category, too. These guys ooze confidence, so no matter how ugly their form looks, the shots still go in because of their confidence and their willingness to try outlandish shit.

Anthony Edwards was another player I didn't think would turn out good. And maybe he's at an advantage because he's given the reins to take as many shots as he wants. But he certainly looks the part of a star, and it might be due to his insane athleticism. He's also extremely confident too, based on his interviews.

Confidence is #1 when finding a prospect. That's what I've learned from the past draft.

Looking forward to diving into some scouting of these prospects once the regular season is done. Thanks for keeping the info. Coming through.

The 2020 draft was unlike any other in recent memory. Prospects had more time than ever before to prepare for the NBA and draft process. It’s fortunate too because once they arrived there development is very much based on in game experiences rather than consistent scrimmages and training due to the nature of the schedule and pandemic related itinerary.

In the NBA, anybody can beaten by anyone (by large amounts too) but the telling thing is usually how a team and player responds to such a drubbing.
At 19 years old, you can bet this is one of the first real beat downs somebody like Wiseman (physically imposing, limited high level competition) has ever experienced.

Looking forward to seeing how he responds, even if the answer isn’t fully formed over the next game or so.

[Dejounte]

Don't get me wrong, he seems to do well at high levels of competition. Definitely seems worth a chance if he's around. The cynical side of me thinks: it's not who do we trade, but what player next forces a trade. It's a wild world post Big Three. We have to draft what the team needs and go with that. Since Kawhi, we've done it backwards and try to make the unworkable seem rational. But I digress.

Meh, you control what you can control. Guess that's the bright side with international players like Giddey, they're not as entitled as these divas because they make their first NBA city their second home from home. LMA or DeMar never bled "Spurs" anyway, not like the way our young core have been doing on social media. When players like them "force" a trade, it never fazed me. It's the ones we saw grow into men that do...

[bluebellmaniac]

https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1378140850115342337?s=19

https://twitter.com/BradyKlopferNBA/status/1378146043427086337?s=19

https://twitter.com/YahooCASports/status/1378141671632801793?s=19



Warriors down 50 right now against the Raptors and it's still 3rd quarter.

I said this before: typically 3 out of the top 10 players become stars in every draft. It may be Wiseman is not one of those three.

Would you trade Lonnie for him?

[Dejounte]

Would you trade Lonnie for him?

I won't say yes but I'll say that if the Spurs did that then I wouldn't be upset and instead I'll be excited because it means they believe in their talent. That goes for any prospect, not just Giddey.

Edit: wait, are you talking about Wiseman? If so, yes lol. Thought you were talking about trading up. We sort of already know what Lonnie is. If Wiseman busts, at least he can be a nice backup C probably whereas we already have a lot of guard depth.

[The Truth #6]

I want to see Lonnie coached by Becky next year. Personally, I go back and forth about trading one of Lonnie, White, or DJ. But realistically, if we don’t flush money on DDR or Patty we can really let these three get a chance to make a leap.

[bluebellmaniac]

I won't say yes but I'll say that if the Spurs did that then I wouldn't be upset and instead I'll be excited because it means they believe in their talent. That goes for any prospect, not just Giddey.

Edit: wait, are you talking about Wiseman? If so, yes lol. Thought you were talking about trading up. We sort of already know what Lonnie is. If Wiseman busts, at least he can be a nice backup C probably whereas we already have a lot of guard depth.

Yes, I intended the "edit" part. I agree.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/gtmmvDcGaak

Game from today features a couple blocks, a nice steal, a couple made 3s, and the expected flashy passes we've come to expect from him.


https://twitter.com/405Fan/status/1378310961384185859?s=19

[mo7888]

https://youtu.be/gtmmvDcGaak

Game from today features a couple blocks, a nice steal, a couple made 3s, and the expected flashy passes we've come to expect from him.


https://twitter.com/405Fan/status/1378310961384185859?s=19

My concern after looking at his stats are his low 3 pt %... 20% from 3 is pretty bad... I will say his shot doesn't look broken though...

[mo7888]

I want to see Lonnie coached by Becky next year. Personally, I go back and forth about trading one of Lonnie, White, or DJ. But realistically, if we don’t flush money on DDR or Patty we can really let these three get a chance to make a leap.

I go back and forth on trading one of those as well... I think part of thecreasin for me is because we don't have enough shooters and we need to replace DJ or White in the SL with a real shooter and have one come off the bench and I have no confidence that the staff will do that.

[Dejounte]

My concern after looking at his stats are his low 3 pt %... 20% from 3 is pretty bad... I will say his shot doesn't look broken though...

Yeah, starting off 2-18 didn't do Josh any favors but he's picked it up since then. I believe his percentages are better than LaMelo's were. After the top 5, you're going to find flaws or holes in every prospect but what we're betting on here is confidence and feel.

[Harry Callahan]

It's so awesome that the GSWs are Miles and Miles ahead of the Competition. In reality they had a nice five year run with collusion thrown in.

When you consider the franchise over the course of the last 50 years, lots and lots of god awful basketball with multiple bad trades and lousy draft picks. Curry will break down soon just like Klay Thompson already has - back to the mean.

[mo7888]

Yeah, starting off 2-18 didn't do Josh any favors but he's picked it up since then. I believe his percentages are better than LaMelo's were. After the top 5, you're going to find flaws or holes in every prospect but what we're betting on here is confidence and feel.

That's true....I'm not against picking him per se.... it just depends on what's left on the board at that point.... I do see alot of upside if Chip can make him a threat... high risk/high reward type..

[Dejounte]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:

Tier 1
Franz Wagner - Devin Vassell 2.0. bigger, less of a shooter, more of a playmaker, better handles, same great defense, high bball IQ
Josh Giddey - The Spurs need more "showtime". Giddey gets you on a highlight reel. Flashy passing, shooting getting better as the season goes on, rumored to be 6'8" in socks... what's not to love?

Tier 2
Jalen Johnson - Lots of talent, but has character concerns. Would be tier 1, but I know the Spurs place character as a top trait. A modern PF, reminiscent of Aaron Gordon / Jerami Grant types.
Scottie Barnes - Gets to the rim with ease because of his athleticism. Giannis-lite. I think he projects to be a shit shooter though, so probably not what the Spurs need. If Giannis has world-class work ethic and still is not a reliable shooter... that doesn't bode well for Scottie.

Tier 3
Ayo Dosunmu - carries his college team on his back. I think he carries that success to the next level.
Herb Jones - Personality seems like a true Spur. Excels at defense. Got better as a shooter as a senior. Old, but maybe another Derrick White type that can help the team.
Sandro Mamukelashvili - Big playmaker who seems well suited for the NBA
Jeremiah Earl Robinson - Modern PF. Aaron Gordon vibes.

Tier 4
Amar Sylla - if the Spurs believe he has Siakam potential
Usman Garuba - Great defense, but has terrible offense.
Isaiah Todd - If the Spurs need another stretch big
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Has some Samanic vibes, but maybe more playmaking ability

Not listed:
Ziaire Williams - put forth shit performance after shit performance. Not sure what people see here.
Greg Brown - Low IQ
Kai Jones - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Isaiah Jackson - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Trendon Watford - Great skill, but after watching him play more dude showboats like crazy that it drives me crazy. fuck this guy

I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others

[bluebellmaniac]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:

Tier 1
Franz Wagner - Devin Vassell 2.0. bigger, less of a shooter, more of a playmaker, better handles, same great defense, high bball IQ
Josh Giddey - The Spurs need more "showtime". Giddey gets you on a highlight reel. Flashy passing, shooting getting better as the season goes on, rumored to be 6'8" in socks... what's not to love?

Tier 2
Jalen Johnson - Lots of talent, but has character concerns. Would be tier 1, but I know the Spurs place character as a top trait. A modern PF, reminiscent of Aaron Gordon / Jerami Grant types.
Scottie Barnes - Gets to the rim with ease because of his athleticism. Giannis-lite. I think he projects to be a shit shooter though, so probably not what the Spurs need. If Giannis has world-class work ethic and still is not a reliable shooter... that doesn't bode well for Scottie.

Tier 3
Ayo Dosunmu - carries his college team on his back. I think he carries that success to the next level.
Herb Jones - Personality seems like a true Spur. Excels at defense. Got better as a shooter as a senior. Old, but maybe another Derrick White type that can help the team.
Sandro Mamukelashvili - Big playmaker who seems well suited for the NBA
Jeremiah Earl Robinson - Modern PF. Aaron Gordon vibes.

Tier 4
Amar Sylla - if the Spurs believe he has Siakam potential
Usman Garuba - Great defense, but has terrible offense.
Isaiah Todd - If the Spurs need another stretch big
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Has some Samanic vibes, but maybe more playmaking ability

Not listed:
Ziaire Williams - put forth shit performance after shit performance. Not sure what people see here.
Greg Brown - Low IQ
Kai Jones - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Isaiah Jackson - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Trendon Watford - Great skill, but after watching him play more dude showboats like crazy that it drives me crazy. fuck this guy

I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others

Wait. What happened to that 18 yr old Turkish kid?

[mo7888]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:

Tier 1
Franz Wagner - Devin Vassell 2.0. bigger, less of a shooter, more of a playmaker, better handles, same great defense, high bball IQ
Josh Giddey - The Spurs need more "showtime". Giddey gets you on a highlight reel. Flashy passing, shooting getting better as the season goes on, rumored to be 6'8" in socks... what's not to love?

Tier 2
Jalen Johnson - Lots of talent, but has character concerns. Would be tier 1, but I know the Spurs place character as a top trait. A modern PF, reminiscent of Aaron Gordon / Jerami Grant types.
Scottie Barnes - Gets to the rim with ease because of his athleticism. Giannis-lite. I think he projects to be a shit shooter though, so probably not what the Spurs need. If Giannis has world-class work ethic and still is not a reliable shooter... that doesn't bode well for Scottie.

Tier 3
Ayo Dosunmu - carries his college team on his back. I think he carries that success to the next level.
Herb Jones - Personality seems like a true Spur. Excels at defense. Got better as a shooter as a senior. Old, but maybe another Derrick White type that can help the team.
Sandro Mamukelashvili - Big playmaker who seems well suited for the NBA
Jeremiah Earl Robinson - Modern PF. Aaron Gordon vibes.

Tier 4
Amar Sylla - if the Spurs believe he has Siakam potential
Usman Garuba - Great defense, but has terrible offense.
Isaiah Todd - If the Spurs need another stretch big
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Has some Samanic vibes, but maybe more playmaking ability

Not listed:
Ziaire Williams - put forth shit performance after shit performance. Not sure what people see here.
Greg Brown - Low IQ
Kai Jones - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Isaiah Jackson - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Trendon Watford - Great skill, but after watching him play more dude showboats like crazy that it drives me crazy. fuck this guy

I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others

I'm higher on Wagner than the Vassell comp... I think in 3 years his comp will be more Luka Doncic-level than Vassell... (I know I'm in the vast minority on that).

My personal top 5

Cunningham
Mobley
Kuminga
Wagner
Suggs

[Dejounte]

Wait. What happened to that 18 yr old Turkish kid?

Whoops forgot him. Probably tier 3.

[Truckules]

https://youtu.be/gtmmvDcGaak

Game from today features a couple blocks, a nice steal, a couple made 3s, and the expected flashy passes we've come to expect from him.


https://twitter.com/405Fan/status/1378310961384185859?s=19

Giddey has such a polished game that I didn't realize how young he was. He won't be 19 until October. Also, nice BP3 cameo in the highlight.

[exstatic]

Since I could see them targeting McDermott in free agency, I could obviously see them targeting Kispert in the draft first and they're likely to end up picking in his current projected range of late lottery too.

The number one thing I want to see them place a premium on and target in every acquisition from now on, is 3-point shooting. I don't care if some higher ranked prospect with intriguing physical tools falls to them or projects to be available in their range. If they're not already minimally above average (% + volume), forget it.

Already, there's an issue going forward with Murray, Poeltl and Johnson. They can't afford to exacerbate it further.

Poodle will never be a shooter, and doesn’t have to be. Murray and KJ just need to bump theirs up a bit to league average, 35%.

[ragas]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:

Tier 1
Franz Wagner - Devin Vassell 2.0. bigger, less of a shooter, more of a playmaker, better handles, same great defense, high bball IQ
Josh Giddey - The Spurs need more "showtime". Giddey gets you on a highlight reel. Flashy passing, shooting getting better as the season goes on, rumored to be 6'8" in socks... what's not to love?

Tier 2
Jalen Johnson - Lots of talent, but has character concerns. Would be tier 1, but I know the Spurs place character as a top trait. A modern PF, reminiscent of Aaron Gordon / Jerami Grant types.
Scottie Barnes - Gets to the rim with ease because of his athleticism. Giannis-lite. I think he projects to be a shit shooter though, so probably not what the Spurs need. If Giannis has world-class work ethic and still is not a reliable shooter... that doesn't bode well for Scottie.

Tier 3
Ayo Dosunmu - carries his college team on his back. I think he carries that success to the next level.
Herb Jones - Personality seems like a true Spur. Excels at defense. Got better as a shooter as a senior. Old, but maybe another Derrick White type that can help the team.
Sandro Mamukelashvili - Big playmaker who seems well suited for the NBA
Jeremiah Earl Robinson - Modern PF. Aaron Gordon vibes.

Tier 4
Amar Sylla - if the Spurs believe he has Siakam potential
Usman Garuba - Great defense, but has terrible offense.
Isaiah Todd - If the Spurs need another stretch big
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Has some Samanic vibes, but maybe more playmaking ability

Not listed:
Ziaire Williams - put forth shit performance after shit performance. Not sure what people see here.
Greg Brown - Low IQ
Kai Jones - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Isaiah Jackson - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Trendon Watford - Great skill, but after watching him play more dude showboats like crazy that it drives me crazy. fuck this guy

I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others

Kai Jones shot 38% on 3p - how is that similar to Poeltl? Not as good as a defender, but he can shoot and is athletic. I have him higher than Wagner.

[mo7888]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:


I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others

Check out the two Baylor guards this weekend... they are interesting in different ways...

[Dejounte]

Kai Jones shot 38% on 3p - how is that similar to Poeltl? Not as good as a defender, but he can shoot and is athletic. I have him higher than Wagner.

I think NBA teams will use him more inside than outside. Kind of how Brooklyn has not made use of Nic Claxton's playmaking ability (and 3 point shooting) that he showed in college... simply because there are other players better on the team that they'd rather put Nic inside because of his height.

[GAustex]

Kai Jones shot 38% on 3p - how is that similar to Poeltl? Not as good as a defender, but he can shoot and is athletic. I have him higher than Wagner.
Good call I think also about Kai.
Have not seen enough of Wagner except his last game in tourney where he threw up on himself and against FSU where he looked all world.
Kai I think will be a good NBA player

[BackHome]

No way do I want anything to do with Jalen Johnson = headcase

I like Karl Franz Wagner and Giddey just has that Alpha attitude he would definitely help the team and the organization sale seats

My pipe dream is Moses Moody dude is just a killer definitely All Star

[BackHome]

Poodle will never be a shooter, and doesn’t have to be. Murray and KJ just need to bump theirs up a bit to league average, 35%.

Poodle a shooter now that is a stretch how about he just doesn't AIR BALL his Free Throw's ------ They are called "FREE" for a reason!

I understand Keldon needs to raise his 3 ball but his bread and butter is taking it to the whole and Poodle will be in the paint with his man defending him which clogs up the middle which is why teams are killing us when defending against us. Also, even if they stood out and hit 3 all day Poodle could still not take advantage of any mismatch as he has no post moves and can barely dunk the ball

[3&D_TBH]

Just now learning about Giddey through other people's posts. Really exciting player. Play-making potential looks through the roof. Would love to have him. Wagner would be a great fit as well. I think we need to pick at 13-15 to have a realistic shot at those dudes though, which frustrates me because I think we will wind up pick 17-20 tbh.

[mo7888]

Just now learning about Giddey through other people's posts. Really exciting player. Play-making potential looks through the roof. Would love to have him. Wagner would be a great fit as well. I think we need to pick at 13-15 to have a realistic shot at those dudes though, which frustrates me because I think we will wind up pick 17-20 tbh.

I think we end up picking from 10-12... Giddey should be there but, Wagner will be gone..

[The Truth #6]

I go back and forth on trading one of those as well... I think part of thecreasin for me is because we don't have enough shooters and we need to replace DJ or White in the SL with a real shooter and have one come off the bench and I have no confidence that the staff will do that.

I agree with that.

[TD 21]

Poodle will never be a shooter, and doesn’t have to be. Murray and KJ just need to bump theirs up a bit to league average, 35%.

I wasn't implying otherwise. I'm just saying, that's already two poor - non 3-point shooting starters who they've extended and given how they operate, it's safe to say are entrenched. They can't afford a third.

That's overly simplistic. They need to get the defense to respect them and shooting 35% doesn't automatically do that. They need to significantly increase their volume and quicken their releases too.

[mo7888]

Luke Garza...Player of the year...shot 44% from 3... I haven't watched him play one game..... What's the knock on him?

[GAustex]

Luke Garza...Player of the year...shot 44% from 3... I haven't watched him play one game..... What's the knock on him?
Slow
Really slow footed

[exstatic]

I wasn't implying otherwise. I'm just saying, that's already two poor - non 3-point shooting starters who they've extended and given how they operate, it's safe to say are entrenched. They can't afford a third.

That's overly simplistic. They need to get the defense to respect them and shooting 35% doesn't automatically do that. They need to significantly increase their volume and quicken their releases too.

35% would be fine. The point isn’t to be knock down 3 point shooters with rattlesnake quick releases, the point is to shoot league average so they have to guard you. 35% is the same efficiency as shooting 52.5% inside the arc. DeRozan, mid range wizard the he is, doesn’t even do that. 35% opens up the paint.

[duncan2150]

My tier list as of 4/3/21:

Tier 1
Franz Wagner - Devin Vassell 2.0. bigger, less of a shooter, more of a playmaker, better handles, same great defense, high bball IQ
Josh Giddey - The Spurs need more "showtime". Giddey gets you on a highlight reel. Flashy passing, shooting getting better as the season goes on, rumored to be 6'8" in socks... what's not to love?

Tier 2
Jalen Johnson - Lots of talent, but has character concerns. Would be tier 1, but I know the Spurs place character as a top trait. A modern PF, reminiscent of Aaron Gordon / Jerami Grant types.
Scottie Barnes - Gets to the rim with ease because of his athleticism. Giannis-lite. I think he projects to be a shit shooter though, so probably not what the Spurs need. If Giannis has world-class work ethic and still is not a reliable shooter... that doesn't bode well for Scottie.

Tier 3
Ayo Dosunmu - carries his college team on his back. I think he carries that success to the next level.
Herb Jones - Personality seems like a true Spur. Excels at defense. Got better as a shooter as a senior. Old, but maybe another Derrick White type that can help the team.
Sandro Mamukelashvili - Big playmaker who seems well suited for the NBA
Jeremiah Earl Robinson - Modern PF. Aaron Gordon vibes.

Tier 4
Amar Sylla - if the Spurs believe he has Siakam potential
Usman Garuba - Great defense, but has terrible offense.
Isaiah Todd - If the Spurs need another stretch big
Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Has some Samanic vibes, but maybe more playmaking ability

Not listed:
Ziaire Williams - put forth shit performance after shit performance. Not sure what people see here.
Greg Brown - Low IQ
Kai Jones - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Isaiah Jackson - Too similar to Poeltl in terms of what he brings
Trendon Watford - Great skill, but after watching him play more dude showboats like crazy that it drives me crazy. fuck this guy

I think I'm forgetting a couple + haven't watched enough of others


Really interesting.

I will have Sengun in my tier 1, i like guiddey high IQ, high ceilling i think ,really complete and young player. He will be in my tier 1 or 2.


I will also have Earl Robinson in my tier 2 and if we talk about talent johnson is in my tier 1.

[TD 21]

35% would be fine. The point isn’t to be knock down 3 point shooters with rattlesnake quick releases, the point is to shoot league average so they have to guard you. 35% is the same efficiency as shooting 52.5% inside the arc. DeRozan, mid range wizard the he is, doesn’t even do that. 35% opens up the paint.

Within' reason, volume > %. Nah, the point is shooting frequently, well and quick enough for the defense to pay them at least some mind.

Johnson was shooting 35%+ in the bubble and early in the season, yet defenses correctly disregarded him because of the attributes I mentioned, plus his lack of track record.

[FutureMan]

Is there a PF who can shoot at least 38% from three (at least 4 per game) and a 75%+ free throw (because of Poeltl)?? Because that’s what this team needs.

[mo7888]

Is there a PF who can shoot at least 38% from three (at least 4 per game) and a 75%+ free throw (because of Poeltl)?? Because that’s what this team needs.

Wagner is shooting 37% from 3 and over 80% FT's

[GAustex]

Whoever said Kispert looks like Korver that is right on. The shot right before half against UCLA-it looked like Korver coming around the screen to bury the jumper but it was Kispert.

[DesignatedT]

Impressed with Joel Ayayi out of Gonzaga. Could be a nice player.

[Dejounte]

I recall Kira Lewis was a hit among ST posters in last year's draft. Doesn't bode well for him right now with the Pels signing Isaiah Thomas. Is he so bad he can't earn minutes on the team?

The reason we need to examine players like Kira is to adjust the way we look at these players.

I remember liking Kira because he had NBA level speed, and a lot of posters including myself thought he could use that to be a really good player someday. Some folks here thought he would be better than DJ, White.

The book isn't closed on Kira, but it's not looking good.

It's good to be cautious with the 2021 point guard prospects and how we claim they would be better than the guys we have now. Sure, there could be a couple but not likely to be many.

[Dejounte]

I was reading up on Aaron Nesmith and what's going on with him and found this:

"This is pretty par for the course for Brad. I think he takes a very college approach of: if he doesn't think you're ready he really won't play you, or definitely not with regularity. He definitely seems to avoid a lot of "developmental minutes" I'd say.
 
Jaylen was a top 3 pick and averaged 17mpg as a rookie. Rozier is probably the best comp for any of these guys. He averaged 8mpg as a rookie and had tons of DNPs (and most of those minutes came towards the end of the season). The next season he was up to 17mpg and then obviously exploded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think this is how Brad likes to bring in young players. I don't think it is necessarily a huge reflection on Nesmith other than this is how Brad thinks he can best get him ready for the league?"

Sound familiar?

[Dejounte]

More random reflections on 2020 draft prospects:

-I think Saddiq Bey has peaked. Now sure how far he can take his game with his limited athleticism and subpar ball handling. You get what you pay for with these 3 and D types.

-Isaac Okoro hasn't really done anything impressive with his 32 minutes per game of playing time, has he? Was projected to be a poor shooter, not improving much there. We've got to be careful with these non-shooting type prospects, most notably Scottie Barnes.

-I thought Precious Achiuwa had some stretch ability but the Heat hasn't even allowed him to take a single 3. This is another example of why I don't buy Kai Jones' "unicorn" abilities.

-Several late first rounders (Jaden McDaniels, Xavier Tillman, Desmond Bane, Immanuel Quickley) are outperforming their lottery counterparts.

[SpurPadre]

We're now in the lottery at pick #14.

[duncan2150]

We're now in the lottery at pick #14.


We are 17 now, if i'm right.

I want to talk about a prospect i like, Roko Prkacin. What people think of this guy ?

Stats ( Adriatic league playing with Cibona Zagreb) : 13 pts 6.7 rebounds 1,5 ast 0.9 stl 0.6 block 48% shooting 35% 3 PTS ( 3 attempts per game) 65% FT

He's a 18 yrs old, 6'9 , 210 lbs, 7'0 wingspan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPfz34UfRA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKV3_CPHlc
Second video is from last year.

[mo7888]

I'm looking forward to the championship game tonight. At least 4 first round picks in this year's draft in that game. I'm interested to see how Mitchell and Butler match up against Suggs and Kispert.

[mo7888]

We are 17 now, if i'm right.

I want to talk about a prospect i really like, Roko Prkacin. What people think of this guy ?

Stats ( Adriatic league playing with Cibona Zagreb) : 13 pts 6.7 rebounds 1,5 ast 0.9 stl 0.6 block 48% shooting 35% 3 PTS ( 3 attempts per game) 65% FT

He's a 18 yrs old, 6'9 , 210 lbs, 7'0 wingspan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPfz34UfRA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKV3_CPHlc
Second video is from last year.

I think he's a nice 2nd round pick with upside.

[duncan2150]

I think he's a nice 2nd round pick with upside.


He will be a steal in the 2 nd round , a reach in the top 15 and a nice pick up in the end of the first round imo.

he's more advanced than samanic at the same age for example and playing the same position.

[mo7888]

He will be a steal in the 2 nd round , a reach in the top 15 and a nice pick up in the end of the first round imo.

he's more advanced than samanic at the same age for example and playing the same position.

He could be...I don't think his athleticism is where Samanic was but, I also see him more as a 3 and Samanic more of a 4.

[The Truth #6]

More random reflections on 2020 draft prospects:

-I think Saddiq Bey has peaked. Now sure how far he can take his game with his limited athleticism and subpar ball handling. You get what you pay for with these 3 and D types.

-Isaac Okoro hasn't really done anything impressive with his 32 minutes per game of playing time, has he? Was projected to be a poor shooter, not improving much there. We've got to be careful with these non-shooting type prospects, most notably Scottie Barnes.

-I thought Precious Achiuwa had some stretch ability but the Heat hasn't even allowed him to take a single 3. This is another example of why I don't buy Kai Jones' "unicorn" abilities.

-Several late first rounders (Jaden McDaniels, Xavier Tillman, Desmond Bane, Immanuel Quickley) are outperforming their lottery counterparts.

Last year's draft may look better than this year's draft. Everyone said there were lots of quality players. I really wanted us to trade some asset to get some late first round picks instead of doing nothing. Jaden McDaniels was a perfect target. Has star potential, bust as well, but that's the beauty of a pick in the 20s.

[Dejounte]

Last year's draft may look better than this year's draft. Everyone said there were lots of quality players. I really wanted us to trade some asset to get some late first round picks instead of doing nothing. Jaden McDaniels was a perfect target. Has star potential, bust as well, but that's the beauty of a pick in the 20s.

My dream scenarios:

If a miracle happens with the Spurs winning the lottery with a 2% chance, I want them to draft either Kuminga or Cade.

If the Spurs draft somewhere between 8 to 15, get Franz.

If the Spurs plan to get two draft picks in the first round, get Franz and Giddey.

[mo7888]

My dream scenarios:

If a miracle happens with the Spurs winning the lottery with a 2% chance, I want them to draft either Kuminga or Cade.

If the Spurs draft somewhere between 8 to 15, get Franz.

If the Spurs plan to get two draft picks in the first round, get Franz and Giddey.

I'm with you on Cade and Kuminga...Mobley is next for me.... I Luke Franz at 5 or lower.... I don't think I'd like the fit of Franz and Giddey... either are fine but if I had two picks and got one of them I'd prioritize shooting on my other pick...

[Dejounte]

I'm with you on Cade and Kuminga...Mobley is next for me.... I Luke Franz at 5 or lower.... I don't think I'd like the fit of Franz and Giddey... either are fine but if I had two picks and got one of them I'd prioritize shooting on my other pick...

I forgot option 4... If Franz is gone where they're picking between 8-15, draft Giddey.

[SpurPadre]

We are 17 now, if i'm right.

I want to talk about a prospect i like, Roko Prkacin. What people think of this guy ?

Stats ( Adriatic league playing with Cibona Zagreb) : 13 pts 6.7 rebounds 1,5 ast 0.9 stl 0.6 block 48% shooting 35% 3 PTS ( 3 attempts per game) 65% FT

He's a 18 yrs old, 6'9 , 210 lbs, 7'0 wingspan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPfz34UfRA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKV3_CPHlc
Second video is from last year.

We're 14th: http://www.tankathon.com/

[pad300]

IMO
1) If we get lucky with the lottery (top 4) my preference order is: Mobley, Cade, Green, Kuminga, Suggs (in that order for me).
2) If not, I would take Sengun if he's there...

[duncan2150]

Last year's draft may look better than this year's draft.

it's the opposite imo, how you can say that ? In all cases we probably need 2 3 years to see who is correct :)


We're 14th: http://www.tankathon.com/

you're right, we have a better record than three teams but they are out of lottery cause they're playoffs teams.


IMO
1) If we get lucky with the lottery (top 4) my preference order is: Mobley, Cade, Green, Kuminga, Suggs (in that order for me).
2) If not, I would take Sengun if he's there...

Same here, i'll take Mobley if i have a top 3 pick.

[mo7888]

I forgot option 4... If Franz is gone where they're picking between 8-15, draft Giddey.

I'd be ok with that too... I'm not as sold on Giddey yet but, if he can shoot 38% from 3 and defend in space we'll enough then he's got a very high ceiling. I think he and Franz see the court and make plays for others far better than anyone else in this draft.... I mean to the point that whoever is 3rd in court vision in this draft is way behind these two...

[Dejounte]

I'd be ok with that too... I'm not as sold on Giddey yet but, if he can shoot 38% from 3 and defend in space we'll enough then he's got a very high ceiling. I think he and Franz see the court and make plays for others far better than anyone else in this draft.... I mean to the point that whoever is 3rd in court vision in this draft is way behind these two...

For sure. Good assessment about the court vision. IMO, that's more what the current Spurs are lacking than good bigs. Not a knock on Murray or White either, they do their own thing. Everyone else in the draft are so-so... Well, except Cade of course. I'm not buying that Jalen Green is that much better than Murray, for example.

[Harry Callahan]

I wonder if the Spurs trade one of the following three (Walker, White, Murray) to strengthen another spot. George Hill has been a very good NBA player for 10+ years. But Nephew was a massive upgrade for six years.

It would be nice to draft a top notch starter to add to the current crop of young guys. I know at least one of the old vets (Patty, Rudy, or DDR) will be back, but hopefully we move on from 2 of those 3 guys. The page needs to be turned. Getting rid of LMA was a good thing - mainly because he quit on the team. He could have helped in the short term, but he placed himself first (as he always has done).

[exstatic]

Last year's draft may look better than this year's draft. Everyone said there were lots of quality players. I really wanted us to trade some asset to get some late first round picks instead of doing nothing. Jaden McDaniels was a perfect target. Has star potential, bust as well, but that's the beauty of a pick in the 20s.

Last year’s draft didn’t have a lot at the very top, but the players from 10-25 were comparable. In other words, lean on great talent, but DEEP on good/very good talent. This years may have more at the top, but drop off more sharply.

[exstatic]

I wonder if the Spurs trade one of the following three (Walker, White, Murray) to strengthen another spot. George Hill has been a very good NBA player for 10+ years. But Nephew was a massive upgrade for six years.

It would be nice to draft a top notch starter to add to the current crop of young guys. I know at least one of the old vets (Patty, Rudy, or DDR) will be back, but hopefully we move on from 2 of those 3 guys. The page needs to be turned. Getting rid of LMA was a good thing - mainly because he quit on the team. He could have helped in the short term, but he placed himself first (as he always has done).

I think it would cost two, plus our pick, to move up to gold country. We got Kawhi at 15. Didn’t even have to move into the lottery, or give up our pick. That won’t be the case this time, I don’t think.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/w1SrgRtMuVo

Listen to the segment starting at 5:14 on his PnR defense. That's one of the Spurs greatest weaknesses currently.

[Dejounte]

Not a good start for Gonzaga

God I hope we don't draft Kispert

[Sugus]

Not a good start for Gonzaga

God I hope we don't draft Kispert

How're you watching the game, D? Streaming? First time I'll be watching college ball in a while and idk how to get it

[Dejounte]

How're you watching the game, D? Streaming? First time I'll be watching college ball in a while and idk how to get it

It's on national TV. Sorry bud, I don't know where I could get you a link.

[Dejounte]

Baylor guards are killing it. They're gonna see their stock rise. Hopefully into the lottery. I'd rather not draft another guard this year and it's not because I think our guards are all-stars. Would love to see more height with talent on this team.

Suggs a no show so far.

[Sugus]

It's on national TV. Sorry bud, I don't know where I could get you a link.

It's not often that I regret not living in modern USA, but tonight is one of those nights. Will find me a stream, thanks anyways D :tu

[mo7888]

Not a good start for Gonzaga

God I hope we don't draft Kispert

He's going to be a good solid pro....but his upside is capped at that.... Korver clone... we need someone who has a chance to be great

[Sugus]

For anyone else looking for a stream: http://6stream . xyz/video/nca1/

[Dejounte]

He's going to be a good solid pro....but his upside is capped at that.... Korver clone... we need someone who has a chance to be great

Yeah I don't doubt he'll be a good role player.

As much as the Spurs NEED 3 pt shooting, Kispert won't get those looks on this team. Not without someone getting him those looks by breaking down the defense. We need someone who can pull them in away from shooters.

[mo7888]

Yeah I don't doubt he'll be a good role player.

As much as the Spurs NEED 3 pt shooting, Kispert won't get those looks on this team. Not without someone getting them those looks by breaking down the defense. We need someone who can pull them in away from shooters.

Agreed... I will say the Tre's speed getting in the lane has surprised me the last two games...

[SpurPadre]

At this point, should we really be thinking about drafting a player that fills a position of need or do we simply get the best player available?

[mo7888]

At this point, should we really be thinking about drafting a player that fills a position of need or do we simply get the best player available?

Get the best player with upside available..

[Dejounte]

Watching these games where the stakes are high and when you're not emotionally invested in either team is a blast.

Spurs are making me forget how much I love basketball :lmao

[Dejounte]

At this point, should we really be thinking about drafting a player that fills a position of need or do we simply get the best player available?

It's a personal preference of mine to not draft another PG. People are welcome to have their own preferences. I just know that the Spurs have this age old philosophy of taking years to train a point guard that replacing Murray is basically starting over completely from scratch. I feel that they're simply not going to do that. Couple that with the fact that we passed up on Tyrese.....just makes me think it's highly doubtful we draft a PG.

[SpurPadre]

Get the best player with upside available..

I agree. But let's say we get lucky and get #1 overall, do we get Suggs over Mobley? Or does Cunningham have a higher ceiling?

[mo7888]

I agree. But let's say we get lucky and get #1 overall, do we get Suggs over Mobley? Or does Cunningham have a higher ceiling?

From my perspective... Cunningham...then Kuminga...then Mobley...

[SpurPadre]

It's a personal preference of mine to not draft another PG. People are welcome to have their own preferences. I just know that the Spurs have this age old philosophy of taking years to train a point guard that replacing Murray is basically starting over completely from scratch. I feel that they're simply not going to do that. Couple that with the fact that we passed up on Tyrese.....just makes me think it's highly doubtful we draft a PG.

But if we're faced with a miracle option of choosing Suggs or Cunningham, then I'm sorry Murray or especially White but peace out!

[Dejounte]

But if we're faced with a miracle option of choosing Suggs or Cunningham, then I'm sorry Murray or especially White but peace out!

IMO, Suggs doesn't look all that special. I think Morant looked better in college.

Cunningham on the other hand, yeah. But I also believe he can play with our guards (probably not both). He can take the DeMar mantle. He's big enough.

[mo7888]

But if we're faced with a miracle option of choosing Suggs or Cunningham, then I'm sorry Murray or especially White but peace out!

I think we should trade White or Murray regardless...

[GAustex]

Hate to agree but one of White or Murray should be dealt I hate to say

[exstatic]

Agreed... I will say the Tre's speed getting in the lane has surprised me the last two games...

In the gubble , he was doing that, and dunking in traffic. He could be really, really good if he gets himself a jump shot.

[RD2191]

At this point, should we really be thinking about drafting a player that fills a position of need or do we simply get the best player available?
Best player available, we need a true franchise player, we currently have none.

[SpurPadre]

I think we should trade White or Murray regardless...

I'd keep Murray who still has room to grow. He likely won't reach the level I thought he'd reach but his defense can still be elite. White, on the other hand, he's more expendable, IMO.

[mo7888]

In the gubble , he was doing that, and dunking in traffic. He could be really, really good if he gets himself a jump shot.

Getting a consistent jump shot will determine his career trajectory without a doubt..

[Dejounte]

Baylor hounding guys on defense

[mo7888]

I'd keep Murray who still has room to grow. He likely won't reach the level I thought he'd reach but his defense can still be elite. White, on the other hand, he's more expendable, IMO.

I think Murray is the better player but, I also think he brings more back on a trade..

[SpurPadre]

Best player available, we need a true franchise player, we currently have none.

We do and there's still hope for a miracle in the lottery selection. Number #10 pick is the most realistic though.

[Dejounte]

https://i.ibb.co/nmG8qQf/draft.png

Only eight teams in the NBA have true franchise players who have stayed with them.
75% of these players were drafted in the top 10.
Remaining 25% of these players were drafted after the 14th pick.

Seven teams currently have borderline franchise players.
Of these borderline franchise players, 37.5% of them were drafted in the top 12 of the lottery.
The remaining 62.5% were drafted after.

Keep in mind: a lot of these teams have drafted in the top 10 for a very long time.

True franchise players don't grow on trees.

[Ditty]

Usman Garubu looks intriguing. Could be there where the Spurs draft in the late lottery. Might shoot up the draft like Patrick Williams did last year.

[Dejounte]

Usman Garubu looks intriguing. Could be there where the Spurs draft in the late lottery. Might shoot up the draft like Patrick Williams did last year.

Do we need more zero offense guys?

[Ditty]

Do we need more zero offense guys?

Might be the best player we can get with the highest ceiling unless this team embraces the tank. Which I don’t think is happening with Pop as coach.