Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[John B]

Luka is already in a different route from Vassell and KJ. Some are trying to sell me on the K.Anderson route. We shall see what route that Luka is on.

But I do get the core of your wish. I do hope this rookie plays and is impactful from his first season… that would be someone special.

We know that Pop was forced to play his Vets to get them chance to earn their next contracts, also they were trying to get in the playoffs (while I thought playing the youngsters would've gotten them there instead).

Just the same, anywhere else I think Devin would be playing more minutes. He is a poised, very capable player.

While I like them to get someone with immediate impact, the young average age of this roster which is 25.6, tells me that they will probably take the more conservative route.

[TD 21]

I told you those pricks would probably get lucky. All they do is whine about their predicament and every time they're stagnant or in trouble, the league helps them out. Stern called the Vancouver fiasco his greatest regret and the league has been determined to make sure Toronto doesn't follow suit.

Even when they shamelessly tank and thumb their nose up at the play-in (things that the league shouldn't be pleased with from a supposedly good team), they get rewarded.

Meanwhile, the idiots here continue to get shit on, so why shouldn't every mediocre or worse team tank again?

And how embarrassing is it that 2 years after gifting them a championship, they now have a better present and future than this team that still lacks a foundational player? What a disgrace.

[PhantomDashCam]

Great read-- thanks for posting. I too like Jaden Springer, Roko Prkacin, and Trey Murphy lll higher, and Kuminga lower. For me Kuminga is one of the scarier prospects. I think I'd take Wagner before Kuminga because he just seems to have too many red flags with poor 3pt%, poor FT%, poor metrics in the G league, poor feel, too many turnovers...

If Julian Champagnie doesn't get drafted, I like him as a 6'8" Bryn Forbes replacement.

I think Wagner is undoubtedly the better overall player right now. At the end of his rookie contract? Kuminga could be the best player from the entire draft.
That’s a big call, I know.
This video from Rob Dauster (who put out great draft content last year), makes a very strong case why..


https://youtu.be/t9M0T0jhwm8

Wagner I feel, is perfect for a team with multiple firsts. The Warriors, Rockets or Magic look like ideal landing spots assuming they decide to keep all their picks.

[R. DeMurre]

I think Wagner is undoubtedly the better overall player right now. At the end of his rookie contract? Kuminga could be the best player from the entire draft.
That’s a big call, I know.
This video from Rob Dauster (who put out great draft content last year), makes a very strong case why..


https://youtu.be/t9M0T0jhwm8

Wagner I feel, is perfect for a team with multiple firsts. The Warriors, Rockets or Magic look like ideal landing spots assuming they decide to keep all their picks.

:tu I'll mark it on my calendar to revisit in 2025: Kuminga vs Wagner.

[TD 21]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

[rjv]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

https://i1.wp.com/s3.amazonaws.com/phillyfrontoffice/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/15174400/im-mad-as-hell-gif-2.gif?fit=500%2C233&ssl=1

[Kurik]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

The future prospects of the Spurs no matter how bleak doesn’t depress me on a personal level.

[Dejounte]

The draft is so close, yet so far. Can’t wait.

[rjv]

The draft is so close, yet so far. Can’t wait.

at least we've got the combines and olympic exhibitions to look at in between.

[BackHome]

Just takes out all the joy of watching basketball add to that the league is looking at expanding either Las Vegas or Seattle I am betting on Vegas as Seattle Socialism won’t pay for a new arena - That makes it even worse as just add more shitty teams with sub par players

[Dejounte]

at least we've got the combines and olympic exhibitions to look at in between.

Combine scrimmages are more interesting. I hope everyone participates.

[TD 21]

The future prospects of the Spurs no matter how bleak doesn’t depress me on a personal level.

Like that's how I meant it.

What a weird fan base. Obviously we can't do much about it, but I don't know how you could be content with living off the past, the constant self inflicted wounds, getting repeatedly screwed, seeing the team that embarrassed them continue to get lucky, etc. Bunch of cucks.

[John B]

The draft is so close, yet so far. Can’t wait.
Just like sitting front row in a strip bar :lol

[ace3g]

Jonathan Wasserman @NBADraftWass
(https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass) 23h (https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1407479174118453251)
Jericho Sims with a 44.5" max vertical, which if accurate ties for the highest (w/ Hamidou Diallo) at NBA combine over last 20 years

[MultiTroll]

H20 under the bridge, what was the highest draft # the Spurs could have gotten?
Was 12 it?

2. This Green kid that went straight from California HS to G league. Sounds like he is gonna go withing top 10. What is your take on him?

[CGD]

What do we think Wiseman’s trade value is this year?

[Em-City]

Like that's how I meant it.

What a weird fan base. Obviously we can't do much about it, but I don't know how you could be content with living off the past, the constant self inflicted wounds, getting repeatedly screwed, seeing the team that embarrassed them continue to get lucky, etc. Bunch of cucks.

Who even embarrassed the spurs?

[Russ]

Combine scrimmages are more interesting. I hope everyone participates.

They won't.

Think of it this way.

Step 1. I'm think I'm good but my agent still says I have to get measured at the combine (with those other peasants). Then . . .

2. Okay, I got measured but we're drawing the line at any jumping or running. Then . . .

3. I can't believe these know-nothings still don't see me for the star that I am -- but I'm not actually playing in any games with those dreadful hillbillys.

The really high-end guys never get to step 3 -- not even close.

[slick'81]

Just get a real sf/pf please. no more pg/sg who cant shoot

[dubross]

Word is Rockets want to deal Christian Wood for a later lottery pick and either a young player or another first rd pick. Would you want the spurs to look at Christian Wood. They want Evan Mobley.

[ace3g]

Kelly Iko KellyIkoNBA
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Tennessee’s Keon Johnson just recorded a 41.5’’ standing vertical and 48’’ running vertical jump. Wow.

[exstatic]

Word is Rockets want to deal Christian Wood for a later lottery pick and either a young player or another first rd pick. Would you want the spurs to look at Christian Wood. They want Evan Mobley.

No. Wood is an undrafted journeyman who’s bounced all around the league. He’s 25, and played basically two season’s worth of games.

[R. DeMurre]

Jonathan Wasserman @NBADraftWass
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Jericho Sims with a 44.5" max vertical, which if accurate ties for the highest (w/ Hamidou Diallo) at NBA combine over last 20 years

Sims is such an unusual case. Great wingspan too along with the vertical (7'3.25"), but not an elite shot blocker in college, and not a very good block/foul ratio. But his WS/40 and PER were actually better than Cade Cunningham's. 4th year player, great FG%, doesn't shoot much, no 3pt shot, poor FT%, will be 23 at start of next season... Maybe his ceiling is that of a super sub?

[Chinook]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

So there's nothing wrong with collecting role-players. Role-players are currency in the NBA, and they make it easier to build around a star once one comes. The issue is the Spurs having to use their assets properly. As I've suggested for two years now, I believe the Spurs should trade one or more of their young players to improve their pick and/or acquire a vet who would improve the team. Supposedly, the Hawks were willing to let the Spurs move up to 6 last year had SA been willing to deal Murray or White. In retrospect, there wasn't much to be gained by them doing so. No one between Okoro at 5 and Vassell really screams missed opportunity. In that same regard, them not trading say Poeltl to move up for Clarke obviously didn't end up making them miss out on him, though my main target was Hachimura.

Whatever, the point is that there's no reason to actually be pessimistic about the pick. Obviously, I would've preferred a higher pick. However it's pretty obvious looking at the four CF teams that you don't need to (and I'd argue that you shouldn't try to) build a team through the draft. Constantly pushing for that suggests and antiquated philosophy that ignores how modern teams -- large or small in their market -- operate. You build through trades and signings -- not the draft. You can totally feel cautious about Brian Wright's ability to put together a roster, but their pick isn't among their biggest problems.

[Chinook]

I'm not willing to trade 12 (outright) for a center. Basically, I'd only see moving it as a package for Ben Simmons as a viable avenue. With DeRozan a UFA and LMA gone, there should be no belief that the team should prioritize winning now. As I mentioned, I do believe the Spurs should use the pick to move around in the draft and/or acquire an additional pick using players. While the team doesn't mean MORE young guys, it does need better ones.

[PhantomDashCam]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

TD, it’s only our second time in the lottery in the last 20+ years. We’ve had a terrific run.

The Spurs (DJ specifically), seemed to put extra emphasis on the idea of making the playoffs last year and ultimately came up short.
I perceived that as “a make or break (up?)” scenario.

We don’t have any contractually obligated obfuscations atm and this draft is shaping up to have all-star type talent at #12.

It’s going to take one of the core under 25s to ascend to an all-star level or a big FA signing for us to enter the Purgatory conversation next season otherwise I expect we’ll have our highest pick since Timmy.
Win win for me.

[exstatic]

People just like to bitch. A fan base that really SHOULD be bitching is OKC. There were a number of scenarios where they have 2 top 5 picks by jumping into the top 4 themselves, having a couple more teams join them, and knocking Houston’s pick back to 5, and using their pick swap with #18. Instead the have #6 in a 5 player draft.

[ace3g]

Jonathan Givony (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)

Texas' Jericho Sims registered a 44 1/2 inch max vertical leap at the NBA Combine, tied for the second best mark in event history. His 37 inch standing vert is a top-15 mark historically as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4l70qgWUAQBobV?format=png&name=small (https://t.co/iAUQGlJuIH)


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Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
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Tennessee's Keon Johnson smashed Kenny Gregory's 20-year NBA Combine record with an outrageous 48 inch vertical leap. Also posted a 41 1/2 inch standing vertical leap.

I figured Keon's max vert would be big after seeing this clip for the first time.

https://twitter.com/PortalCunn1ngh/status/1407885211984089093


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[R. DeMurre]

Jonathan Givony (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)

Texas' Jericho Sims registered a 44 1/2 inch max vertical leap at the NBA Combine, tied for the second best mark in event history. His 37 inch standing vert is a top-15 mark historically as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4l70qgWUAQBobV?format=png&name=small (https://t.co/iAUQGlJuIH)


3:08pm · 23 Jun 2021 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1407792799706234884) · Twitter Web App

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Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
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Tennessee's Keon Johnson smashed Kenny Gregory's 20-year NBA Combine record with an outrageous 48 inch vertical leap. Also posted a 41 1/2 inch standing vertical leap.

I figured Keon's max vert would be big after seeing this clip for the first time.

https://twitter.com/PortalCunn1ngh/status/1407885211984089093


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But interestingly none of those became stars, and only one so far even gets significant minutes. But still-- damn! I wonder if Keon was a high jumper or long jumper in high school?

[TD 21]

Who even embarrassed the spurs?

Scumbag, his sleazebag uncle and the Raptors.



So there's nothing wrong with collecting role-players. Role-players are currency in the NBA, and they make it easier to build around a star once one comes. The issue is the Spurs having to use their assets properly. As I've suggested for two years now, I believe the Spurs should trade one or more of their young players to improve their pick and/or acquire a vet who would improve the team. Supposedly, the Hawks were willing to let the Spurs move up to 6 last year had SA been willing to deal Murray or White. In retrospect, there wasn't much to be gained by them doing so. No one between Okoro at 5 and Vassell really screams missed opportunity. In that same regard, them not trading say Poeltl to move up for Clarke obviously didn't end up making them miss out on him, though my main target was Hachimura.

Whatever, the point is that there's no reason to actually be pessimistic about the pick. Obviously, I would've preferred a higher pick. However it's pretty obvious looking at the four CF teams that you don't need to (and I'd argue that you shouldn't try to) build a team through the draft. Constantly pushing for that suggests and antiquated philosophy that ignores how modern teams -- large or small in their market -- operate. You build through trades and signings -- not the draft. You can totally feel cautious about Brian Wright's ability to put together a roster, but their pick isn't among their biggest problems.

I didn't say there was, but at this point I don't know where this excitement is derived from.

But that's just it: They're too scared to do anything and don't seem to have a plan. They seem to think they'll just pull another Giniobili (not that they developed him), Parker or Scumbag out of their ass because they're the Spurs.

It's not about the pick, it's about their predicament, especially in comparison to the Raptors.

Finding a foundational piece(s) through the draft is essential, especially in a non glamour market. Obviously, building an entire core through it is unlikely though.



TD, it’s only our second time in the lottery in the last 20+ years. We’ve had a terrific run.

The Spurs (DJ specifically), seemed to put extra emphasis on the idea of making the playoffs last year and ultimately came up short.
I perceived that as “a make or break (up?)” scenario.

We don’t have any contractually obligated obfuscations atm and this draft is shaping up to have all-star type talent at #12.

It’s going to take one of the core under 25s to ascend to an all-star level or a big FA signing for us to enter the Purgatory conversation next season otherwise I expect we’ll have our highest pick since Timmy.
Win win for me.

"We've" had an embarrassing 4 years and 3 years into what should have been a re-build, they're still stuck in first gear. I'd argue to start over again by selling off the mid 20s role players (White, Murray, Poeltl).

The odds of an all-star type talent being available at #12 are slim and relying on being the team to nail that is both arrogant and stupid (there's a reason most actively try to avoid the middle).

[slick'81]

Scumbag, his sleazebag uncle and the Raptors.




I didn't say there was, but at this point I don't know where this excitement is derived from.

But that's just it: They're too scared to do anything and don't seem to have a plan. They seem to think they'll just pull another Giniobili (not that they developed him), Parker or Scumbag out of their ass because they're the Spurs.

It's not about the pick, it's about their predicament, especially in comparison to the Raptors.

Finding a foundational piece(s) through the draft is essential, especially in a non glamour market. Obviously, building an entire core through it is unlikely though.




"We've" had an embarrassing 4 years and 3 years into what should have been a re-build, they're still stuck in first gear. I'd argue to start over again by selling off the mid 20s role players (White, Murray, Poeltl).

The odds of an all-star type talent being available at #12 are slim and relying on being the team to nail that is both arrogant and stupid (there's a reason most actively try to avoid the middle).


theycould of gotten a really good player in halliburton at#11 but went with vassell. Hopefully that turns out well for sa

[PhantomDashCam]

Kelly Iko (https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA)Kelly (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9181)IkoNBA
16m (https://twitter.com/KellyIkoNBA/status/1407864676663373827)
Tennessee’s Keon Johnson just recorded a 41.5’’ standing vertical and 48’’ running vertical jump. Wow.

Could watch this all day...
https://twitter.com/NBADraft/status/1407904741447897088?s=20

[playblair]

jericho sims>>>>>>>>>>keon johnson...........sims can rebound

[Em-City]

Scumbag, his sleazebag uncle and the Raptors.


Fuck Dennis & Nephew, but can't really be mad at the Raptors for making the most of it.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN9lUQpRwqo

JRE in the second round please

[cjw]

Fuck Dennis & Nephew, but can't really be mad at the Raptors for making the most of it.

Seriously, plus I’ll take a few years of Demar plus Poeltl and opportunity to draft KJ (yes, realize that’s a risk and chances are he shouldn’t have dropped there) over whatever garbage the Lakers weren’t offering.

[The Truth #6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN9lUQpRwqo

JRE in the second round please

Definitely a great option. A month ago I was wondering why he wasn’t being considered higher. Seems like a great role player.

[The Truth #6]

Players I like in this draft who are potentially within our reach with our two picks:

Moody
Springer
Sengun
Jeremiah Robinson Earl (thanks for reminding me, Dejounte)
JT Thor
Wagner
Duarte
Garuba
Cooper
Giddey
Murphy III
Julian Champaigne
Kispert

[Ignazzz]

as EURO fan:

Sengun
Wagner
Moody
Garuba

for our 1st

Thor
JRE
Murphy 3

[mo7888]

Would it be worth it to trade back with OKC for 16 + 18 for our 12 if they target someone specific?

[The Truth #6]

Would it be worth it to trade back with OKC for 16 + 18 for our 12 if they target someone specific?

I would trade 12 for 16 + 18. Could probably get two of: Garuba, JT Thor, Kispert, Sengun, Duarte, Bouknight. Not saying they'd all be available, but after 6 there seems to be enough of a drop off.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t see OKC doing that. There’s nothing there at 12 that would be greater than what you can get with their picks. Arguably they could have two players just as good as what they can get at 12. Plus they don’t need 1 good player. They need 6 good players. Makes no sense to give up two potential players for one.

[mo7888]

I don’t see OKC doing that. There’s nothing there at 12 that would be greater than what you can get with their picks. Arguably they could have two players just as good as what they can get at 12. Plus they don’t need 1 good player. They need 6 good players. Makes no sense to give up two potential players for one.

I could see them doing it if one of the guys they like falls to the 12 range + they've got do many young players and picks that it's in the interest to consolidate every once in a while.

[mo7888]

I would trade 12 for 16 + 18. Could probably get two of: Garuba, JT Thor, Kispert, Sengun, Duarte, Bouknight. Not saying they'd all be available, but after 6 there seems to be enough of a drop off.

That's my personal 1st rd BB illustrating my wants in order of preference for the Spurs. Since a few of the guys after 12 on it are probably going higher than 12 it'll knock a couple more into that 16-18 range. So I'd make the trade too. I also think at least two of the guys you listed will be available at 16.

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jonathan Kuminga
4. Jalen Green
5. Jalen Suggs
6. Franz Wagner
7. Moses Moody
8. Scottie Barnes
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Corey Kispert
11. Keon Johnson
12. Kai Jones
13. Jalen Johnson
14. James Bouknight
15. Josh Giddey
16. Tre Mann
17. Davion Mitchell
18. Sharife Cooper
19. Jared Butler
20. Trey Murphy
21. Jaden Springer
22. Usman Garuba
23. Zaire Williams
24. Isaiah Jackson
25. Joshua Primo
26. Ayo Dosunmu
27. Chris Duarte
28. Roko Prkacin
29. JT Thor
30. Miles McBride

[EasyMoney]

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408127585280798731?s=19

This puts a smile on my face.

[SpursDynasty85]

This class seems loaded with potential. I expect a lot wheeling and dealing from teams to get their specific players, including Spurs.

[Thomas82]

I don't know how any of you could have any enthusiasm for this at this point. How many more unremarkable/flawed role players do they need to collect before is no longer excites or even intrigues you?

How many teams have to level up currently, future wise or both, before it smacks you in the face that they're in probably the worst situation in the league? And they'll fight to maintain it by blowing most of their cap space to "fight for the playoffs".

No lies in this post.

[BacktoBasics]

No lies in this post.

It’s a fair point but the reality is that we have no business giving up solid role players until we know who are superstar is. None of them are going out in a trade for a star so it only makes sense to package them up once the team has an identity. Until then collecting high value role players is as valuable as collecting draft picks.

[slick'81]

No lies in this post.


i dont think anyone here is excited about the current spurs projections .i mean were all fans,and what else do we have to be excited about besides the draft?

[GreekSpursfan]

Wagner if he's there, i would trade up if need be, Bodiroga 2.0

[Thomas82]

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408127585280798731?s=19

This puts a smile on my face.

Mine too.

[R. DeMurre]

Players I like in this draft who are potentially within our reach with our two picks:

Moody
Springer
Sengun
Jeremiah Robinson Earl (thanks for reminding me, Dejounte)
JT Thor
Wagner
Duarte
Garuba
Cooper
Giddey
Murphy III
Julian Champaigne
Kispert

I saw today that Murphy lll had an interview with the Spurs. I'm surprised he hasn't risen higher in more mocks.

[TD 21]

Fuck Dennis & Nephew, but can't really be mad at the Raptors for making the most of it.

I'm not. I gave a myriad of reasons why I don't like them. There's a difference between capitalizing on an opportunity and screwing the other side (and Ujiri and Buford as well as Wright and Webster supposedly go way back) over.



Seriously, plus I’ll take a few years of Demar plus Poeltl and opportunity to draft KJ (yes, realize that’s a risk and chances are he shouldn’t have dropped there) over whatever garbage the Lakers weren’t offering.

Spurs fan is so consumed with their eternal hatred of the Lakers to see the forest from the trees.

[duncan2150]

I saw today that Murphy lll had an interview with the Spurs. I'm surprised he hasn't risen higher in more mocks.

I think it's a workout for Murphy III

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408135833962622984

[TheGreatYacht]

Feel sorry for the dumb ass team that drafts Kai Jones in the lottery :lol

[rjv]

I think it's a workout for Murphy III

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408135833962622984

so far, in the few that have been done, spurs have been working out shooters.

[TheGreatYacht]

Isaiah Jackson / Jakob Poeltl
Kelly Oubre / Luka Samanic
Devin Vassell / Keldon Johnson
Derrick White / Lonnie Walker
Dejounte Murray / Tre Jones

Need it

[Dejounte]

I think it's a workout for Murphy III

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408135833962622984

I like Murphy. He’s what people think Kai is or will be. He’s pretty explosive.

[SAGirl]

so far, in the few that have been done, spurs have been working out shooters.
Good.

[Dejounte]

I’m also glad the Spurs are still making an impression on incoming rookies. Something about their interview or workout process must be exceptional for these prospects to speak so highly of them. We rarely see a glimpse of the quality of the organization, and it looks like the Spurs still have it despite their disappointed fans.

[John B]

so far, in the few that have been done, spurs have been working out shooters.
Length and range. SF/PF position, Rudy is not coming back.

[rjv]

Length and range. SF/PF position, Rudy is not coming back.

i hope he doesn't. not only for the sake of our younger players but also for his own sake. there are some teams that gay could help out that would have a chance at the title next year.

[TD 21]

I’m also glad the Spurs are still making an impression on incoming rookies. Something about their interview or workout process must be exceptional for these prospects to speak so highly of them. We rarely see a glimpse of the quality of the organization, and it looks like the Spurs still have it despite their disappointed fans.

Probably just regurgitating cliches and/or believing the hype/mystique. They are (were?) long viewed as the gold standard of player development, so outside of the top few % who'd be great or very good anywhere, that would equate to the best bet to get to the set for life contract.

[mo7888]

I think it's a workout for Murphy III

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408135833962622984

I like Murphy (but 12 is to high). If we trade down and get 16 and 18 from Okc think we could get him plus one of the following Tre Mann, Jaden Springer, Usman Garuba, Isaiah Jackson, or Moody

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/dmurrayNBA/status/1408063481568391171?s=20

So the the same max vertical as Zach Lavine tested at the combine and 1" more in the standing vert cat....in a bulldog frame.

:dizzy

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1408064877315252234?s=20

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1408195647107260417?s=20

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408193352533778437?s=20

Grimes might be the Spurs pick in the 2nd round.

Decent combine for him, played well against his peers. Spurs gravitate towards those combine stand outs.

Glad to see Jason Preston doing well.

[rjv]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1408064877315252234?s=20

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1408195647107260417?s=20

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408193352533778437?s=20


has NBA TV been showing anything on the combine?

Grimes might be the Spurs pick in the 2nd round.

Decent combine for him, played well against his peers. Spurs gravitate towards those combine stand outs.

Glad to see Jason Preston doing well.

[PhantomDashCam]

Think it's an ESPN 2 thing atm. Would scan YouTube or Twitch though as someone might upload replays.

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1408200219708231684?s=20

[Mr. Body]

This class seems loaded with potential. I expect a lot wheeling and dealing from teams to get their specific players, including Spurs.

I see this class as way more shady than people think. Not a lot of stars, or ones that will require tons of work.

[Dejounte]

So far,

known interviews:
Keon Johnson
Kai Jones
LJ Figueroa
Grimes

known workouts:
Murphy III
Wieskamp
Jordan Hall

keep in mind,
last year the Spurs interviewed/ worked out bigs such as Precious, Isaiah Stewart, Oturu and passed on them when they were available at their pick.

[SpursDynasty85]

I see this class as way more shady than people think. Not a lot of stars, or ones that will require tons of work.

i agree in a certain way. I think there aren’t more stars in this group but potentially a ton of effective players/starters. More so than other recent years.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1281426428203094016/-4kDM-7j_normal.jpg
Chase Hughes @ChaseHughesNBCS
(https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS) 5h (https://twitter.com/ChaseHughesNBCS/status/1408136706809909253)
Keon Johnson, who set an NBA combine record with a preposterous 48-inch vertical leap, says he's interviewed with the Spurs, Warriors, Rockets, Pistons, Raptors and Heat.

[Dennis the Menace]

Trey Murphy III and call it a day. Or Kai if Murphy is off the table

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXicVeLrT5A&feature=youtu.be

[PhantomDashCam]

So far,

known interviews:
Keon Johnson
Kai Jones
LJ Figueroa
Grimes

known workouts:
Murphy III
Wieskamp
Jordan Hall

keep in mind,
last year the Spurs interviewed/ worked out bigs such as Precious, Isaiah Stewart, Oturu and passed on them when they were available at their pick.


So true, and I think last year Vassell said he hadn't worked out with the Spurs pre draft, right?

Hopefully this year they're being "so overt it's covert". :lol

http://25.media.tumblr.com/0528a04e161dca176835932d94b255d0/tumblr_mt8l91KpZb1qg72ijo1_500.gif

[8FOR!3]

I don't think Kai makes it to 12, but I would take him if he was there.

Yeah him, Mobley, and Bassey are really the only 7 footers (or close to) in the first round. I'd think Kai and Bassey will probably move up the board.

[mo7888]

Joe Wieskamp is interesting... he could be a 2nd rd target or possibly a UFA signing. He's an interesting player late 2nd to UFA.

[Mr. Body]

Kai Jones... a guy who couldn't even start for his team as a sophomore.

[PhantomDashCam]

Andy Katz is posting some snippets of his interviews w/prospects on his twitter page.

J.T Thor pulls out of the scrimmages...somebody is grabbing him first round, maybe even late lottery now.
Speaks well.

https://twitter.com/TheAndyKatz/status/1407814479920959488?s=20

[slick'81]

Is gidney more of a pure pg or can he slide to off ball? Will he fit with white and murray

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/dmurrayNBA/status/1408063481568391171?s=20

So the the same max vertical as Zach Lavine tested at the combine and 1" more in the standing vert cat....in a bulldog frame.
:dizzy

I’m really liking him more and more. Solid defender. Good outside shooter. Good character. Great vertical, as well now. Screams Spurs material. 12 seems too high, but maybe not. Of the 10-20 players, he’s one who *could* break out, imo. And I see the Brandon Roy comp if you squint. Not a good roster fit, but they need to trade one of DJ, White or Lonnie anyway, but hey, we know that’s unlikely.

[Mr. Body]

Is gidney more of a pure pg or can he slide to off ball? Will he fit with white and murray

He can be a secondary playmaker, but putting him in a corner is problematic as he's not a good shooter at this point.

[tonight...you]

I see this class as way more shady than people think. Not a lot of stars, or ones that will require tons of work.
Yeah. This one is going to be tricky.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/theandykatz/status/1407438912663003136?s=21

https://i.imgflip.com/fqi98.jpg

i see a resemblance.

[SAGirl]

I’m really liking him more and more. Solid defender. Good outside shooter. Good character. Great vertical, as well now. Screams Spurs material. 12 seems too high, but maybe not. Of the 10-20 players, he’s one who *could* break out, imo. And I see the Brandon Roy comp if you squint. Not a good roster fit, but they need to trade one of DJ, White or Lonnie anyway, but hey, we know that’s unlikely.
Although I won’t believe in trades until it happens just based on the team’s recent history, if they do draft a guard because he’s BPA (and they should look for the ebst talent bc they need it), then I definitely see FA signings of a bigs, or tall forwardd, to complement this group (Luka will get his chance to grab a spot like he’s gotten every year but I need to see to believe when it comes to him). That may be the Markkanen rumor, Oubre or whomever.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1408247804443693061

Spurs watching Huerter and thinking, "I want one"?

Austin is a shot creator and the team sorely needs one.

Dude can score from anywhere.

If he gets drafted by the Spurs, I'm gonna think we just drafted the next Manu Ginobili.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yss81Gn7rCY

[exstatic]

Trey Murphy III and call it a day. Or Kai if Murphy is off the table

12 is WAY too high for Murphy. As an upper classman, he might even slip into the second round, although not very far into it. I’d love him there, but hate him at 12.

[R. DeMurre]

https://twitter.com/dmurrayNBA/status/1408063481568391171?s=20

So the the same max vertical as Zach Lavine tested at the combine and 1" more in the standing vert cat....in a bulldog frame.

:dizzy

Especially interesting because one older tweet about Springer I saw from February said "I get his athleticism might not wow some people, but his shot creation is high level."

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/02/22/nba-draft-jaden-springer-smooth-operator/2/

[R. DeMurre]

More on Springer from that same article that really makes him sound like a potential target for the Spurs:

Springer’s mid-range game is a rare sight to see from a guard in an era where the game is only becoming more obsessed with the three-point shot, but his shooting fits in with that modern approach as well. He’s only improving as a shooter and has shot 47 percent from beyond the arc this season for the Volunteers, providing evidence and encouragement that he will become a knockdown shooter in the NBA.
He’s found a way to blend a modern skill with something that is considered outdated and has made it effective for how he scores. Springer hasn’t gotten caught up with the trend of shooting threes from outer space, rather opting for the higher quality shots that aren’t nearly as flashy. He’s making what’s old new again, while still maintaining the 3-point efficiency and range you’d want from a starting combo guard in 2021. It’s also another layer of his game that makes him so similar to Roy in my eyes.

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/02/22/nba-draft-jaden-springer-smooth-operator/2/

Basically, his shot profile sounds like it would make both the pro-DeMar and the anti-DeMar folks happy...

[BackHome]

I see this class as way more shady than people think. Not a lot of stars, or ones that will require tons of work.

It is looking more and more likey that the 12th pick will be getting guys in the third tier based on a lot of recent mocks 12 to 18 getting the same value to me. I am still hoping one of the teams before us does something stupid in the 7 to 11 range. Either way I hope no one is planning on seeing who we pick play cause I can almost guarantee they G League bound

[PhantomDashCam]

More on Springer from that same article that really makes him sound like a potential target for the Spurs:
…
Basically, his shot profile sounds like it would make both the pro-DeMar and the anti-DeMar folks happy...

Love that article. :tu

https://twitter.com/robeltussin/status/1358479462313172992?s=20

So much happens in this 30 seconds - Ginobili-esque.

[BackHome]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1408247804443693061

Spurs watching Huerter and thinking, "I want one"?

Austin is a shot creator and the team sorely needs one.

Dude can score from anywhere.

If he gets drafted by the Spurs, I'm gonna think we just drafted the next Manu Ginobili.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yss81Gn7rCY

I liked him until I saw those 3 ball attempts eek.

But he is intriguing

[Dejounte]

I liked him until I saw those 3 ball attempts eek.

But he is intriguing

super intriguing


https://youtu.be/vt9WafGiOYs

[The Truth #6]

Love that article. :tu

https://twitter.com/robeltussin/status/1358479462313172992?s=20

So much happens in this 30 seconds - Ginobili-esque.

Definitely seems under appreciated, and playing next to Keon, who is more of human highlight reel, likely played some role in that.

It’s interesting. I’m trying to think of the 3/D players outside the top 5 with a chance for star potential. Moody. Springer. I’m not buying Davion Mitchell. Wagner, but I don’t see as much potential for stardom. The 3/D label typically is used as a slight, as in the player is limited. But I now see it as the opposite. 3 and D skills are the floor for every player now, ideally. And if you can get more development than that? That’s a safe gamble. I see Sengun and Giddey as having too much bust potential due to some potentially fatal flaws in their game.

I suppose in real time as I write this, I’m hoping the Spurs get one of Wagner, Moody, or Springer at 12.

[Atl Spur]

super intriguing


https://youtu.be/vt9WafGiOYs

Variety is the spice of life...... I don’t like him but what does that even mean? Lol

[TD 21]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1408064877315252234?s=20

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1408195647107260417?s=20

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408193352533778437?s=20

Grimes might be the Spurs pick in the 2nd round.

Decent combine for him, played well against his peers. Spurs gravitate towards those combine stand outs.

Glad to see Jason Preston doing well.

I've long thought this. He just seems like a Spur.

[PhantomDashCam]

Definitely seems under appreciated, and playing next to Keon, who is more of human highlight reel, likely played some role in that.

It’s interesting. I’m trying to think of the 3/D players outside the top 5 with a chance for star potential. Moody. Springer. I’m not buying Davion Mitchell. Wagner, but I don’t see as much potential for stardom. The 3/D label typically is used as a slight, as in the player is limited. But I now see it as the opposite. 3 and D skills are the floor for every player now, ideally. And if you can get more development than that? That’s a safe gamble. I see Sengun and Giddey as having too much bust potential due to some potentially fatal flaws in their game.

I suppose in real time as I write this, I’m hoping the Spurs get one of Wagner, Moody, or Springer at 12.

Like the take. I feel it's similar to the perception most used to have about the dreaded "Combo Guard".
Now most teams are running two on the floor in clutch situations (or at least those with overlaps, skillwise).

I'm not sure Springer is a 3-D guy just due to the low volume of attempts and he sometimes tends to pass out of them instead of shooting it.

What I like about him is that he can impact basketball games in so many ways without scoring and often draws or outplays his highly touted direct opponents.

What makes him lottery material then?
I think he could redefine the entire idea of what a CG is.... he's only 18... and while unlikely, (considering his last spurt happened 4 years ago according to Draft Express),
may not be done growing.

He's got bit of Gary Payton to his game too - Great POA defender who can post up.
You may even, at times be able to invert your Offense with this kid.

IMHO, I can't imagine in any scenario where you wouldn't want to have him on the floor. Cade and Mobley are the only other guys from this draft I would say that about right now (from what they've shown to this point).

[dbestpro]

Bones Hyland playing nasty and flying up draft boards.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Kai Jones... a guy who couldn't even start for his team as a sophomore.

His foot movement, lateral speed, and length is 100% in the mold of today's NBA big man every playoff team has in spades and Spurs haven't had in over a decade, but do go on.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Honestly Spurs should draft Jericho Sims over Kai Jones. Sims was the best perimeter defender big man in the country, has length for days, improved footwork and offensive game every year, and is emotionless and stone-faced exactly like Duncan.

Of course timvp would probably sprout a gray beard if we drafted a longhorn, but he'd be a great fit talent and personality wise imo.

[Russ]

Coverage of combine scrimmage starting on NBA TV right now (albeit, non of the biggies will be performing).

But a lot of analysis of the overall combine week, including player evaluations.

If you're a draft junkie (and I think you are) tune in.

[Dejounte]

Moses Moody interviewed with the Knicks today. They don’t even have a lottery pick. These interviews should be taken with a grain of salt as far as it being an indicator of real interest by teams.

[GAustex]

Sims needs to prove he is not a mental midget. Maybe not greater disappointment throughout his career

[Kurgan]

Moses Moody interviewed with the Knicks today. They don’t even have a lottery pick. These interviews should be taken with a grain of salt as far as it being an indicator of real interest by teams.

They have two 1sts and may look to trade both for a pick in Moody's range

[rjv]

They have two 1sts and may look to trade both for a pick in Moody's range

19th and 21st (knicks picks) could find one still getting some decent players so i would think that the knicks could find some interest with other teams willing to trade down.

[The Truth #6]

19th and 21st (knicks picks) could find one still getting some decent players so i would think that the knicks could find some interest with other teams willing to trade down.

I wouldn’t be shocked if, like last year, we get trade offers for our pick while we are on the clock. GMs looking for splashy picks reach, players fall, and like with Vassel we end up just taking the best player that falls to us. Point is, I am intrigued about trading back for two first round picks. Would I take Duarte and JT Thor over Springer or Sengun... I would have to think about that.

[Kurik]

I don’t mind trading down for two firsts if that means we can get a combination of players like Jaden Springer and Isaiah Jackson. I don’t think the gap in talent and potential between 12 and 20 is that wide.

[Dejounte]

It's going to be Isaiah Jackson or Kai Jones.

It’s going to be Austin “Future GOAT” Reaves.

[Russ]

It's going to be Isaiah Jackson or Kai Jones.

Isaiah Jackson is ill-suited to the modern NBA and Kai Jones is a risk.

Between the two, I'd take the risk.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408533021171589123

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Kai Jones will be a super star. We will be lucky if he is still available at 12.

[Mr. Body]

His foot movement, lateral speed, and length is 100% in the mold of today's NBA big man every playoff team has in spades and Spurs haven't had in over a decade, but do go on.

Deer can run and jump but you wouldn't draft them, either.

[Chinook]

Jones does look interesting. If the team is going to run back (ESPECIALLY if they're bringing back DeRozan), he'd make a ton of sense as the backup center who eventually take over. On paper, he's what the starting unit needs as a shooting big who loves to run out in transition. But he's not there yet. The team can afford a developmental big in a way they can't do so with, say, a developmental PG at 12.

[Mr. Body]

Do people realize Kai Jones was coming off the bench for Texas even in his second year?

Tell me honestly what you think he will be able to do in three years that Drew Eubanks doesn't already do?

I mean this seriously. You can maybe say block shots, but Eubanks is already blocking as many as Jones did. Maybe shoot from range, but Jones wasn't doing that ton, anyway, and Eubanks is extending is range.

I have nothing against Jones, but this is the school that gave us Mo Bamba and Jackson Hayes and they ain't exactly setting the world on fire.

So... seriously, you want to use a lottery pick on a guy who will be behind Drew Eubanks in the rotation?

[rjv]

yeah, i'm not too keen on jones.

[Dejounte]

Do people realize Kai Jones was coming off the bench for Texas even in his second year?

Tell me honestly what you think he will be able to do in three years that Drew Eubanks doesn't already do?

I mean this seriously. You can maybe say block shots, but Eubanks is already blocking as many as Jones did. Maybe shoot from range, but Jones wasn't doing that ton, anyway, and Eubanks is extending is range.

I have nothing against Jones, but this is the school that gave us Mo Bamba and Jackson Hayes and they ain't exactly setting the world on fire.

So... seriously, you want to use a lottery pick on a guy who will be behind Drew Eubanks in the rotation?

Seeing a big move the way Kai does is like hypnosis… from there, Kai stans believe one truth and one truth only = that he will be a superstar. Ignoring the fact that bigs who fit the same archetype and became successful showed a lot fucking more than what Kai has done before being drafted. Some bigs they compare him to were actually dominant and efficient and he was nowhere close. He’d float around the perimeter, take ill-advised shots, and not even have an impact on a game.

[PhantomDashCam]

Do people realize Kai Jones was coming off the bench for Texas even in his second year?

Tell me honestly what you think he will be able to do in three years that Drew Eubanks doesn't already do?

I mean this seriously. You can maybe say block shots, but Eubanks is already blocking as many as Jones did. Maybe shoot from range, but Jones wasn't doing that ton, anyway, and Eubanks is extending is range.

I have nothing against Jones, but this is the school that gave us Mo Bamba and Jackson Hayes and they ain't exactly setting the world on fire.

So... seriously, you want to use a lottery pick on a guy who will be behind Drew Eubanks in the rotation?

I’m one of Kai’s biggest fans on this board and understand that he’s a risk, but using the “comes off the bench” argument holds little weight.
Players like Zach Lavine, Zach Randolph, Russell Westbrook and Devin Booker were or are NBA stars who occupied the same role as Kai - game changing 6th Men on competitive college teams.

As I’ve said before, if you think he’s purely a 5 - you drop him down on your board.

If you think he’s some weird Wing/Frontcourt hybrid who in 3 years could be one of those game changing studs on both sides of the court; you take him as soon as you can.

Eubanks isn’t guarding smalls or wings either. Kai, in time maybe able to do that with regularity.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1408566140868206592

Jalen Johnson

[Dejounte]

They have two 1sts and may look to trade both for a pick in Moody's range

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408575915999825921

"shooting/wings" = Moses Moody

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408575915999825921

"shooting/wings" = Moses Moody

I wouldn't expect the Knicks to go after Josh Giddey. That's completely out of character. But now that Atlanta looks poised in the ECF, the Knicks flatlining in the playoffs doesn't look so bad. By now Kevin Knox, for example, looks like a bust (small surprise), so adding some wing scoring can help Randle inside.

[Russ]

I'd close my eyes and pray if the Spurs took Jones at 12.

But, that said, he might look like the best choice in retrospect.

A lot of the guys bantered about here are more sure-fire NBA players than Kai Jones.

But almost none of them have impactful potential.

So pick your poison.

One thing in Jones favor is zat he's an island guy -- Duncan would probably show up at the facility just to work with him.

But if Bouknight is somehow there at 12 . . . and then there's Giddey . . .

[Gibbz]

Yves Pons is extremely interesting. Jesus Christ what about Jericho Sims? 6'9 250 with 5% BF 7'3.25" wingspan and a 44.5" max vert is freakish as fuck.

[exstatic]

Yves Pons is extremely interesting. Jesus Christ what about Jericho Sims? 6'9 250 with 5% BF 7'3.25" wingspan and a 44.5" max vert is freakish as fuck.

For Austin.

[Russ]

Jesus Christ what about Jericho Sims? 6'9 250 with 5% BF 7'3.25" wingspan and a 44.5" max vert is freakish as fuck.

I like Jericho Sims to some extent but nobody but nobody is going to take him with a lottery pick.

[GAustex]

Sims is a freak runner and jumper. He is so timid. He barely improved over his career. To me a major disappointment over his 4 years.
He is an athletic freak.

[ace3g]

Now I know why Spurs interviewed him, Pop sees Bonner in that release.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1408621945143365633

https://twitter.com/KPRC2Ari/status/1232067556917338114

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AC__Hoops/status/1408504725742489603

https://twitter.com/ChadLeistikow/status/1408614296607772672

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/743297685302632451/pSX-RERB_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) Jonathan Givony (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress)



26 points, 10 rebounds for Iowa's Joe Wieskamp in his final game of the NBA Combine. Showed he can shoot in a variety of ways and also found ways to contribute in other areas. Good week for him in Chicago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4wW_GtWEAUtM00?format=jpg&name=small (https://t.co/TjbF1ZyxDA)


3:42pm · 25 Jun 2021 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1408526059407130663) · Twitter for Android (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Rocalcio]

https://twitter.com/WhichCarolina/status/1408533021171589123

Another French guy coming ! 🇫🇷

[CGD]

I trust the Spurs to make the right choice on draft night. Im much more anxious about their trades/free agency plan this summer.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I’m one of Kai’s biggest fans on this board and understand that he’s a risk, but using the “comes off the bench” argument holds little weight.
Players like Zach Lavine, Zach Randolph, Russell Westbrook and Devin Booker were or are NBA stars who occupied the same role as Kai - game changing 6th Men on competitive college teams.

As I’ve said before, if you think he’s purely a 5 - you drop him down on your board.

If you think he’s some weird Wing/Frontcourt hybrid who in 3 years could be one of those game changing studs on both sides of the court; you take him as soon as you can.

Eubanks isn’t guarding smalls or wings either. Kai, in time maybe able to do that with regularity.

This!

High risk brings high reward. We either win a championship or don't go into playoff at all. Jones is someone who can play 4 or 5, can shoot the 3 and defend wings. Not many guys can do that in this league. If he does meet expectation, he will bring a championship with the current rooster plus another sharp shooter.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

It's my pipe dream to trade for another 1st rounder and draft both Kai Jones and Trey Murphy III.

[R. DeMurre]

Jonathan Isaac was my favorite FA target for the Spurs before he signed his extension, and Kai Jones definitely fits that kind of profile... I just don't know if he'll get to quite that elite defensive level. Watching Isaac next season is one of the things I'm most looking forward to.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/DU5bl9fvoFs

”I like to be even keeled. Never too high, never too low”

same line Pop has used to describe some of his own players over the years. He said that about White.

[Dejounte]

Players like Wieskamp show why it's a waste to go after a guy like Kispert with a lottery pick. You can find 1-dimensional sharpshooters anywhere if you look hard enough.

[PhantomDashCam]

Kai Jones will be a super star. We will be lucky if he is still available at 12.

I love your optimism my man but it’s unlikely that he ever reaches that level of game changing talent, at least consistently to receive that label. That’s certainly within his ceiling though.
I do think in time he could be a “star” by focusing on certain skills and continuing to expand his understanding holistically for the game of basketball at its highest level.


https://youtu.be/5y1W0sNBHV4

This is an interview from 3 years ago when he was 17.
Even if you’re not a fan of his game, well worth a watch.

[BackHome]

I have been burned by Athletic guys who have started to play basketball late in life or those who can’t shoot. You hoping they can make a huge jump to the next level but very few seldom do no matter where they are picked

[bluebellmaniac]

I have been burned by Athletic guys who have started to play basketball late in life or those who can’t shoot. You hoping they can make a huge jump to the next level but very few seldom do no matter where they are picked

Wait... "very few seldom do"... Sooooo.... Most DO make the jump to the next level?

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/_688OSIgt64
John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719)

Watch this entire video and tell me his defense is good with a straight face.

He's slow footed, and lazy on close outs. He's not even putting his hand up when he runs to his guy! Defending 3's is arguably the Spurs' kryptonite. Jalen was put on skates in one play in the video. His hips are so stiff, he gets blown by so easily.

Jalen is more like a center on defense. If we're thinking of him as a small ball 5, that's fine. Any other way and we may be looking at a continuation of last year on defense.

No doubt he is talented on offense. And if that's what the Spurs see as something special, then go for it. If he has no character concerns, then go for it. But he has a lot of work to do on defense, and it may be possible that he'll just be a liability on that end and his team will have to find a way to mask it.

[Biggems]

Wieskamp would be a great prospect to come off the bench, space the floor, and provide scoring. He will also give you some value on the defensive glass. He is not near the top of my list, but he could be a solid UDFA signing, if still available.

[BacktoBasics]

https://youtu.be/_688OSIgt64
John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719)

Watch this entire video and tell me his defense is good with a straight face.

He's slow footed, and lazy on close outs. He's not even putting his hand up when he runs to his guy! Defending 3's is arguably the Spurs' kryptonite. Jalen was put on skates in one play in the video. His hips are so stiff, he gets blown by so easily.

Jalen is more like a center on defense. If we're thinking of him as a small ball 5, that's fine. Any other way and we may be looking at a continuation of last year on defense.

No doubt he is talented on offense. And if that's what the Spurs see as something special, then go for it. If he has no character concerns, then go for it. But he has a lot of work to do on defense, and it may be possible that he'll just be a liability on that end and his team will have to find a way to mask it.
Fair point. But Lonnie is a good example of what this team can do when it comes to developing defense in a player completely lost on that end of the court.

Lonnie would have progressed much faster had he not been as bad as he was on the defensive end of things. It basically took an extra year of development to overcome that. Is this guy worse than Lonnie?

[mo7888]

Players like Wieskamp show why it's a waste to go after a guy like Kispert with a lottery pick. You can find 1-dimensional sharpshooters anywhere if you look hard enough.

Solid point..

[Dejounte]

Fair point. But Lonnie is a good example of what this team can do when it comes to developing defense in a player completely lost on that end of the court.

Lonnie would have progressed much faster had he not been as bad as he was on the defensive end of things. It basically took an extra year of development to overcome that. Is this guy worse than Lonnie?

Unfortunately, I don't share the same viewpoint of Lonnie "overcoming" his weaknesses on defense. Sure, there may have been 3-4 games where he was OK. But overall, his improvement came on the offensive side of things. Lonnie has too many brain farts on defense.

[Biggems]

These are my 10 favorite prospects in the draft......after seeing Wieskamp.....I will put him at 11 (deep threat, hustle player, gives you solid dirty minutes off the bench)

F/C Alperen Sengun
SF Vrenz Bleijenbergh
C Neemias Queta
PG Rokas Jokubaitis
G Mario Nakic
F Roko Prkacin
F/C Charles Bassey
F/C Jay Huff
PG Josh Giddey
F Scottie Barnes

G/F Joe Wieskamp

the 3 I want in Spurs uniforms the most next season are in bold.

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/_688OSIgt64
John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719)

Watch this entire video and tell me his defense is good with a straight face.

He's slow footed, and lazy on close outs. He's not even putting his hand up when he runs to his guy! Defending 3's is arguably the Spurs' kryptonite. Jalen was put on skates in one play in the video. His hips are so stiff, he gets blown by so easily.

Jalen is more like a center on defense. If we're thinking of him as a small ball 5, that's fine. Any other way and we may be looking at a continuation of last year on defense.

No doubt he is talented on offense. And if that's what the Spurs see as something special, then go for it. If he has no character concerns, then go for it. But he has a lot of work to do on defense, and it may be possible that he'll just be a liability on that end and his team will have to find a way to mask it.

Jalen Johnson is so bad he made Coach K retire.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/bSbN5uW9xJQ

I challenge people to watch the entire video.

This is why it's absurd to think Kai is a good shooter.

He's a rim rolling big, and could become a great one. IF the Spurs draft him, it'll mean they have future plans without Poeltl being a part of it. And that's fine if that's the case.

There's nothing consistent about his shooting form. To believe he'll be a 4 in the NBA is fantasy (unless obviously a team chooses to play twin towers for defensive sake).

This is a kid who was given a lot of freedom with his shot selection in college, which he will not get in the NBA... especially not on a team like the Spurs.

Kai would be perfect on a team like the Hornets.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1408933504663097350

[TD 21]

Players like Wieskamp show why it's a waste to go after a guy like Kispert with a lottery pick. You can find 1-dimensional sharpshooters anywhere if you look hard enough.

Yeah, but it's usually the Forbes archetype aka undersized off guards. The Kispert types make big money in this league now (Harris, McDermott and though a different build and/or position, Bertans, Robinson). Not that I'm advocating for Kispert, just saying.

I actually think Jalen Johnson will be their number two option behind Sengun at this point.

[The Truth #6]

https://youtu.be/_688OSIgt64
John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719)

Watch this entire video and tell me his defense is good with a straight face.

He's slow footed, and lazy on close outs. He's not even putting his hand up when he runs to his guy! Defending 3's is arguably the Spurs' kryptonite. Jalen was put on skates in one play in the video. His hips are so stiff, he gets blown by so easily.

Jalen is more like a center on defense. If we're thinking of him as a small ball 5, that's fine. Any other way and we may be looking at a continuation of last year on defense.

No doubt he is talented on offense. And if that's what the Spurs see as something special, then go for it. If he has no character concerns, then go for it. But he has a lot of work to do on defense, and it may be possible that he'll just be a liability on that end and his team will have to find a way to mask it.

Hard pass. Has no dog in him.

[PhantomDashCam]

I challenge people to watch the entire video.

This is why it's absurd to think Kai is a good shooter.

He's a rim rolling big, and could become a great one. IF the Spurs draft him, it'll mean they have future plans without Poeltl being a part of it. And that's fine if that's the case.

There's nothing consistent about his shooting form. To believe he'll be a 4 in the NBA is fantasy (unless obviously a team chooses to play twin towers for defensive sake).

This is a kid who was given a lot of freedom with his shot selection in college, which he will not get in the NBA... especially not on a team like the Spurs.

Kai would be perfect on a team like the Hornets.


https://youtu.be/G5Ec-H9ZRzI

You don’t draft him at 12 if you think he’s just a rim rolling big. Better players at that currently in the draft who can be obtained a lot later.

He is an inconsistent shooter atm which doesn’t mean he’s a bad shooter. Big difference.

For example, have a look at JT Thor’s shooting mechanics in highlights from college and compare them to what they are now pre-draft.
In a short time, he’s seemingly refined his shot without requiring a total rebuild.
Even though they shoot differently, I expect Kai will have made similar, tangible improvements in his which amounts to the equivalent of a slight tinker.

I expect that when he has his Pro Day exhibition, he’ll enter most top 10 draft conversations.
Raptors are even said to be looking at him now at #4.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-interview-kai-jones-texas-nba-draft

I agree though that the Hornets would be perfect for a team like Kai. Hopefully they go in another direction.

[Dejounte]

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[The Truth #6]

We likely need someone like Kai to rise so Moody can fall. Hoping others see the appeal, but for a small market that has inherent challenges attracting/keeping NBA talent, I don’t see the appeal of any 3 year player development just to play. (Luka was a two-year, thank you very much). By the time Kai is even possibly ready, he’s easily out the door. At least Garuba can at least play defense now, in contrast.

[BacktoBasics]

Unfortunately, I don't share the same viewpoint of Lonnie "overcoming" his weaknesses on defense. Sure, there may have been 3-4 games where he was OK. But overall, his improvement came on the offensive side of things. Lonnie has too many brain farts on defense.

“Overcome” might not have not been the best word. He’s serviceable. He can be on the court. Prior to this season it was almost impossible for him to be a functional player on the court.

I think his development and how it pertains to playing time speaks more to him being functional on the defensive end despite being viewed as an offensive player.

Of course it’s much easier to talk about his improvement offensively. Handling the ball, movement, finishing, overall scoring in the flow of the etc. All of that has trended up nicely in my opinion. I’m not sour on Lonnie like most here are.

[4lifecowboy]

“Overcome” might not have not been the best word. He’s serviceable. He can be on the court. Prior to this season it was almost impossible for him to be a functional player on the court.

I think his development and how it pertains to playing time speaks more to him being functional on the defensive end despite being viewed as an offensive player.

Of course it’s much easier to talk about his improvement offensively. Handling the ball, movement, finishing, overall scoring in the flow of the etc. All of that has trended up nicely in my opinion. I’m not sour on Lonnie like most here are.

I'm a big fan of Walker's. Unlike most I view him as our most valuable young commodity. He should have been being developed as a primary scorer.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm a big fan of Walker's. Unlike most I view him as our most valuable young commodity. He should have been being developed as a primary scorer.
I don’t feel that he wasn’t. For the record I’m a fan too and feel as though he made great strides this season.

But you can’t play the guy if he’s completely dysfunctional on the defensive end of things. He didn’t have poor rotation as much as he rotated in the wrong direction entirely. He was lost and way behind the curve at the pro level. You can’t drive a car if you have no concept of a brake and gas pedal, no matter how fast you were on that big wheel in grandmas driveway.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1408090920260673539?s=20

[Biggems]

Texas Homer here.......I wouldn't draft any of the Longhorns in this draft. They are all missing vital parts of their games. However, Brown does seem to have the most upside, if he can get into the gym and accept tons of coaching.

[bluebellmaniac]

33 days until the Draft

[slick'81]

33 days until the Draft


Loong way to go ,but definetly gettin more excited

[ace3g]

CQmmw1xFpsd

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[John B]

https://youtu.be/_688OSIgt64
John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719)

Watch this entire video and tell me his defense is good with a straight face.

He's slow footed, and lazy on close outs. He's not even putting his hand up when he runs to his guy! Defending 3's is arguably the Spurs' kryptonite. Jalen was put on skates in one play in the video. His hips are so stiff, he gets blown by so easily.

Jalen is more like a center on defense. If we're thinking of him as a small ball 5, that's fine. Any other way and we may be looking at a continuation of last year on defense.

No doubt he is talented on offense. And if that's what the Spurs see as something special, then go for it. If he has no character concerns, then go for it. But he has a lot of work to do on defense, and it may be possible that he'll just be a liability on that end and his team will have to find a way to mask it.

The scouting report on defense is, ”perimeter defense is inconsistent, had elite moments, others he had stone feet and possibly lacked efforts. Pick and roll defense, left more to be desired, looked lost, played in ‘no man’s land’ in coverages.” I like the comparison in Lonnie. Both are athletically gifted and off the roof. And if the Spurs would pick Jalen, I’d root for him as much as I rooted for Lonnie. (Admittedly I was disappointed with Lonnie’s deferring too much, but with the departure of some veterans, I’m hoping that he will step up next season, but that’s another story.) It’s not that Jalen is slow, but more of “being lost” or not knowing the system. And that’s coachable. What’s not coachable is height and length, athleticism and this kid has tons, and he has used them. What you didn’t show is his chased blocks, on the post defense, steals, charges This kid has defensive potential. His hips are not stiff :lol. There are highlights of him chasing hus guys in the perimeter and blocking shots. Again I like him because he has Star potential and I’m hoping the Spurs take a swing on a huge return, and not take the safe route on a role player. Luka, much like Lonnie, is another big return if he pans out.


https://youtu.be/W1J5fZayYrY

[Dejounte]

The scouting report on defense is, ”perimeter defense is inconsistent, had elite moments, others he had stone feet and possibly lacked efforts. Pick and roll defense, left more to be desired, looked lost, played in ‘no man’s land’ in coverages.” I like the comparison in Lonnie. Both are athletically gifted and off the roof. And if the Spurs would pick Jalen, I’d root for him as much as I rooted for Lonnie. (Admittedly I was disappointed with Lonnie’s deferring too much, but with the departure of some veterans, I’m hoping that he will step up next season, but that’s another story.) It’s not that Jalen is slow, but more of “being lost” or not knowing the system. And that’s coachable. What’s not coachable is height and length, athleticism and this kid has tons, and he has used them. What you didn’t show is his chased blocks, on the post defense, steals, charges This kid has defensive potential. His hips are not stiff :lol. There are highlights of him chasing hus guys in the perimeter and blocking shots. Again I like him because he has Star potential and I’m hoping the Spurs take a swing on a huge return, and not take the safe route on a role player. Luka, much like Lonnie, is another big return if he pans out.


https://youtu.be/W1J5fZayYrY

:lmao

He was chasing guys from behind because they blew by him. That is the very definition of stiff hips. He couldn’t move quick enough laterally to stay in front of his man, so he had to use his speed to catch up.

[Dejounte]

I love how the weaknesses of people’s personal favorites are attributed to “inconsistency” and how better coaching is the miracle fix for all of their weaknesses. What is so wrong with going after players who know how to play and betting on their upside to improve? It seems people are so allergic to players who have the basketball IQ to improve, while penalizing them for already knowing how to play and quickly characterizing them as low upside players.

Did people forget the last and most successful developmental was a player with “low upside” and that he simply knew where to be at all times on offense and especially defense? He was legitimately classified as a “role player” pre-draft.

Lonnie is *not* the shining example of how the Spurs should draft players. Kawhi is. Derrick White is. Good thing the Spurs are going back in that direction with Vassell last year, and they should continue in that direction this year.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

It’s going to be some solid undrafted players that will be available if a lot of these young men keep their names in the draft.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1409200977777995779

[John B]

I love how the weaknesses of people’s personal favorites are attributed to “inconsistency” and how better coaching is the miracle fix for all of their weaknesses. What is so wrong with going after players who know how to play and betting on their upside to improve? It seems people are so allergic to players who have the basketball IQ to improve, while penalizing them for already knowing how to play and quickly characterizing them as low upside players.

Did people forget the last and most successful developmental was a player with “low upside” and that he simply knew where to be at all times on offense and especially defense? He was legitimately classified as a “role player” pre-draft.

Lonnie is *not* the shining example of how the Spurs should draft players. Kawhi is. Derrick White is. Good thing the Spurs are going back in that direction with Vassell last year, and they should continue in that direction this year.

Kawhi was an athletic freak with potential, which is what Jalen is, likewise Lonnie and Luka. Vassell was a polished player and a safe bet, while some would’ve like Halliburton. White is a “role player.” We need him because he’s a glue guy if he manage to stay healthy, but he will never be, imo a star and that’s fine. Championship teams needed a Fisher and Horry. But I think we have plenty of those already. I think we have one of the best role players, but that’s it. We are missing the big 3. Unfortunately for the Spurs it’s harder to find in the FA with our obvious reasons much discussed here. Maybe on a trade. But on this draft I would want them swinging big, take a chance. Jalen was the 6th pick to Wizard before opting out and his stock went down. I want to believe he was nursing a foot injury and didn’t want to hurt his stock even more. He chose to protect himself. That’s perfectly okay. It’s his future. To have all his talent at 12th, rebound, push the ball in transition and pass like a guard, chase blocks, charge, defend the post, score inside/outside. This kid got game. Nothing wrong with Sengun, Wagner. Just a personal preference. This kid is is exciting to root for, much as I rooted for Lonnie and Luka. Right now I’d take Jalen’s defense than Rudy’s. Much respect to your opinion bruh, Jalen is my dog in the fight.

[Kurik]

Kawhi is an athletic freak with potential, which is what Jalen is, likewise Lonnie and Luka. Vassell was a polished player and a safe bet, while some would’ve like Halliburton. White is a “role player.” We need him because he’s a glue guy if he manage to stay healthy, but he will never be, imo a star and that’s fine. Championship teams needed a Fisher and Horry. But I think we have plenty of those already. I think we have one of the best role players, but that’s it. We are missing the big 3. Unfortunately for the Spurs it’s harder to find in the FA with our obvious reasons much discussed here. Maybe on a trade. But on this draft I would want them swinging big, take a chance. Jalen was the 6th pick to Wizard before opting out and his stock went down. I want to believe he was nursing a foot injury and didn’t want to hurt his stock even more. He chose to protect himself. That’s perfectly okay. It’s his future. To have all his talent at 12th, rebound, push the ball in transition and pass like a guard, chase blocks, charge, defend the post, score inside/outside. This kid got game. Nothing wrong with Sengun, Wagner. Just a personal preference. This kid is is exciting to root for, much as I rooted for Lonnie and Luka. Right now I’d take Jalen’s defense than Rudy’s. Much respect to your opinion bruh, Jalen is my dog in the fight.

Press the enter button after at least every 100th line.

[John B]

Press the enter button after at least every 100th line.
I’d put emoji’s and pictures if it helps you :lol

[Dennis the Menace]

1A Murphy
1B Kai

[Manu&Duncan fan]

1A Murphy
1B Kai

1A Kai
1B Murphy

Praying we get both. We need athletic bigs who can shoot 3s. Both Kai and Murphy can do that. But Kai can play both 4 and 5 which is a big deal.

Dejourte complains that Kai doesn't have a consistent shooting. If he does, we don't even have a chance to dream about getting him. He would be a top 2 guy if his volume on 3s doubles.

[BackHome]

On a side note Zaire Williams measured at 6’8 without shoes and he had the 3rd highest score in the lane agility in the combine with a time of 10.69

[GAustex]

If that knucklehead Greg Brown is around in the second round taking a flyer on him might be worth it.

[BackHome]

Yeah he killed his stock playing in these games he definitely not going in the first round - He probably should have stayed in school one or two more years he is so raw

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1409267461011218438?s=20

[Dejounte]

My latest big board - 1st round only


Tier 1 (I would be happy)

Franz Wagner
Moses Moody
Josh Giddey

Tier 2 (Safe picks, with high boom potential)

James Bouknight
Alperen Sengun

Tier 3 (Boom or bust)

Jalen Johnson
Trey Murphy III - I don't think he'll last until the second round, so preference is a trade down for a later 1st for him

Tier 4 (Safe picks, with low boom potential)

Jeremiah Robinson-Earl - I don't think he'll last until the second round, so preference is a trade down for a later 1st for him
Chris Duarte - Preference is a trade down for a later 1st for him

Tier 5 (Not convinced, but could see why)

Kai Jones
Tre Mann - Preference is a trade down for a later 1st for him
Usman Garuba - Preference is a trade down for a later 1st for him


Tier 6 (Meh)

Jaden Springer - We already have too many mid-range shooters, and I don't believe in his upside to set himself apart from our current group of guards
Keon Johnson - We already have too many mid-range shooters, and I don't believe in his upside to set himself apart from our current group of guards
Corey Kispert - I believe the Spurs can pick up Joe Wieskamp in the second round if they want to go this route. Joe might not be as good, but IMO, more value needs to be taken with the 12th pick



List does not include the obvious top 6 projected picks in the draft: Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Green, Suggs, Barnes

New additions: Trey Murphy III & Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Prospects who fell: Jaden Springer & Keon Johnson

List is pretty much in order. I'd draft the group in Tier 1 before Tier 2, Tier 2 before Tier 3, and so forth...

At a bare minimum I'll be satisfied if we draft any guy from Tier 1 to Tier 5. If we draft someone who is from Tier 6 or not listed here... it'll take time for me to like the pick.

List is close to being final.

[alfahdlan]

If we value defense and all around play, why not Herbert Jones in the 2nd round?

[Dejounte]

If we value defense and all around play, why not Herbert Jones in the 2nd round?

He'd be great. Known for good character, too. My only concern is that his skills overlap too much with KBD, who I think is here to stay.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/NofOLpcuGY8

Man, I love this dude’s game.

Some prospects look like they have all the fundamentals down, and Duarte belongs in that group.

Even when he misses a shot, it still looks good. That’s usually the number one thing I look for. I don’t want to see all the made shots, I want to see missed ones and determine if those were good looks. If not, it’s a sign of bad basketball IQ.

[Dejounte]

By the way…

Duarte follows the Spurs on IG. By far the only prospect I’ve seen who does.

Get ready, boys. Duarte may be the pick.

[Degoat]

By the way…

Duarte follows the Spurs on IG. By far the only prospect I’ve seen who does.

Get ready, boys. Duarte may be the pick.

I wouldn’t hate that tbh, it would be strange with so many wings on the team

[Dejounte]

I wouldn’t hate that tbh, it would be strange with so many wings on the team

From an offense standpoint, he would be hella fun to watch. Probably the best scoring wing in the draft. Folks begging for a more modern offense, look no further. This man has the whole arsenal, including a step back 3. Crafty around the rim, too.

[Mr. Body]

By the way…

Duarte follows the Spurs on IG. By far the only prospect I’ve seen who does.

Get ready, boys. Duarte may be the pick.

That would make sense. We already have guys running around like chickens who aren't very productive and other guys that are sort of productive but are still learning, so nabing a guy who can produce pretty early would be great. The Spurs already drafted a very old rookie in Derrick White, who remains the only multi-skilled player on the roster who isn't a veteran, other than Murray.

[KobesAchilles]

By the way…

Duarte follows the Spurs on IG. By far the only prospect I’ve seen who does.

Get ready, boys. Duarte may be the pick.
Had never heard of this kid before but I really like him. He’s my new #1. He is exactly the type of player that we need. Reminds me of Klay Thompson but with James Hardens move set. Imagine having nothing but shooters on our team (and DJ) if we drafted him and signed Mark? Would be a step in the right direction as far as modern ball goes

[Dejounte]

Had never heard of this kid before but I really like him. He’s my new #1. He is exactly the type of player that we need. Reminds me of Klay Thompson but with James Hardens move set. Imagine having nothing but shooters on our team (and DJ) if we drafted him and signed Mark? Would be a step in the right direction as far as modern ball goes

Duarte's move set is something a raw prospect doesn't simply develop over the course of three years.

If he's drafted, people will hate the pick due to his age but will immediately love him after 10 games (with playing time). He has the confidence to shoot, something both White and Lonnie have struggled with. He shoots 3's with a hand in his face, no problem. He's not scared of contact inside.

I mean, he fits the type of pick the Spurs usually go for.

Has the college accolades like Tre - check
2-way player like White - check
Unusual path to basketball - check
International - check
3-level scorer - check

If the logic is that since he's old, he'll have a shorter NBA career... what's the difference between that and a young player coming in and developing for the first three years to get to Duarte's level when they become the same age? It's not a certainty that the young player will be as good as Duarte is now, either. Lonnie Walker is turning 23 this year and is not even in the same universe as Duarte. He has a year and a half to get there. Will he? Hmm...

I'm ready for the Duarte era, if it happens.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/draftdummies/status/1409356930905120770?s=21

[SAGirl]

Had never heard of this kid before but I really like him. He’s my new #1. He is exactly the type of player that we need. Reminds me of Klay Thompson but with James Hardens move set. Imagine having nothing but shooters on our team (and DJ) if we drafted him and signed Mark? Would be a step in the right direction as far as modern ball goes
Not a kid. 24 years old. I don't mind the age if the man can ball. My only concern is the token get over yourself year. The guy will be in his mid twenties and in his Prime when he gets a chance the way Pop has been coaching. Other than that, the age doesn't bother me if the player can ball. (It used to but I realized age is just a factor and sometimes people give it too much weight).

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/PHRocu5fgdk

Huge words from LJ about his teammate, Duarte.

Spurs love finding “great teammates”.

[Kurik]

I like Duarte especially over Kispert but if he’s the pick I hope it’s not at 12 and the Spurs trade down a little.

[Mr. Body]

Duarte's move set is something a raw prospect doesn't simply develop over the course of three years.

If he's drafted, people will hate the pick due to his age but will immediately love him after 10 games (with playing time). He has the confidence to shoot, something both White and Lonnie have struggled with. He shoots 3's with a hand in his face, no problem. He's not scared of contact inside.

I mean, he fits the type of pick the Spurs usually go for.

Has the college accolades like Tre - check
2-way player like White - check
Unusual path to basketball - check
International - check
3-level scorer - check

If the logic is that since he's old, he'll have a shorter NBA career... what's the difference between that and a young player coming in and developing for the first three years to get to Duarte's level when they become the same age? It's not a certainty that the young player will be as good as Duarte is now, either. Lonnie Walker is turning 23 this year and is not even in the same universe as Duarte. He has a year and a half to get there. Will he? Hmm...

I'm ready for the Duarte era, if it happens.

The draft/development process has changed in the last several years. Players are so ill-prepared to play in the NBA. Yes, there are golden tickets here or there, guys like Trae Young who excel in the enviornment the NBA has created for them -- absolutely no defense possible against perimeter players, etc.

But for everyone else, it takes a few years for most first round prospects to start hitting, and that's money out the window, time wasted. You're into a second contract by the time you start getting anything, and for most players you won't get anything. You simply aren't drafting guys who are ready anymore.

Drafting an older player who already has game skills jumps over that gap. Derrick White already was crafty and knew how to play in multiple ways (including things like taking charges). Dude just can't stay healthy.

Duarte may be way smarter as a pick than any Moody or Bouknight. Now, the question is whether he plateaus before them and whether there's a floor/ceiling issue. But if you look at him and say, "Is this the player I want in two or three years? Why don't I want him now?" He might be undervalued if picked outside the lottery.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

By the way…

Duarte follows the Spurs on IG. By far the only prospect I’ve seen who does.

Get ready, boys. Duarte may be the pick.

:tu

I'll take it.

[NASpurs]

Has the hard-on for Wiseman gotten down to a chub?

1409577160357167116

[slick'81]

Has the hard-on for Wiseman gotten down to a chub?

1409577160357167116


Warriors desperate to move up

[NASpurs]

Warriors desperate to move up

Gotta admire a proactive organization.

[slick'81]

Gotta admire a proactive organization.



You mean that derozan sign&trade doesnt tickle your fancy:lol

[Mr. Body]

Warriors desperate to move up

It seems more likely, according to this, that they're trading out. They want an established player like Siakam.

Wiseman is good indicator of why selecting guys who vanish from teams and don't compete to show their abilities are a huge risk, cf. Jalen Johnson.

[slick'81]

It seems more likely, according to this, that they're trading out. They want an established player like Siakam.

Wiseman is good indicator of why selecting guys who vanish from teams and don't compete to show their abilities are a huge risk, cf. Jalen Johnson.


Gl fitting siakams contract on their payroll

[Mr. Body]

Gl fitting siakams contract on their payroll

That's where a team like SAS absorbs salary to take on assets.

[slick'81]

That's where a team like SAS absorbs salary to take on assets.


Spurs finally have the flexibility to be players in fa and trades. Lets see what brian wright and co. Can cook up

[Dejounte]

It seems more likely, according to this, that they're trading out. They want an established player like Siakam.

Wiseman is good indicator of why selecting guys who vanish from teams and don't compete to show their abilities are a huge risk, cf. Jalen Johnson.

Not only that, but also athleticism and improved shooting *in theory* does not always equal to great player when said player has no basketball IQ.

[Russ]

It seems more likely, according to this, that they're trading out. They want an established player like Siakam.

Wiseman is good indicator of why selecting guys who vanish from teams and don't compete to show their abilities are a huge risk, cf. Jalen Johnson.

Wiseman played 39 games for GSW last year (all but about 6 of which he played as a teenager).

Although he played only 21.4 minutes a game, he averaged 11.5 points, at 51.5% shooting, 5.8 rebounds and 0.9 blocks.

I fail to see the impending disaster.

[Mr. Body]

Wiseman played 39 games for GSW last year (all but about 6 of which he played as a teenager).

Although he played only 21.4 minutes a game, he averaged 11.5 points, at 51.5% shooting, 5.8 rebounds and 0.9 blocks.

I fail to see the impending disaster.

I'm talking about him quitting his college team. And, congrats, you can read surface-level stats.

[tonight...you]

Boy... people are just angry and weird in and around sports forums.
I don't get it, but whatever floats your boats.

[TD 21]

Wiseman played 39 games for GSW last year (all but about 6 of which he played as a teenager).

Although he played only 21.4 minutes a game, he averaged 11.5 points, at 51.5% shooting, 5.8 rebounds and 0.9 blocks.

I fail to see the impending disaster.

Counting stats without context in '21 . . .

[Atl Spur]

Spurs finally have the flexibility to be players in fa and trades. Lets see what brian wright and co. Can cook up

We haven’t been in this position for a long time.....I’m excited too!

[PhantomDashCam]

It's unfortunate that people right off rookies after one year, especially one as raw as James Wiseman.
Even Luka Samanic was declared a bust when he hadn't shown enough in Pre-season games (Start of his 2nd yr btw).

Yes, GS played considerably better w/o him on the floor but that's not to say that will continue long term.

He showed flashes, a workable blueprint/archetype to receive minutes and think he'll be better as a result of his experiences through his rookie year.

We can question his basketball acumen and his potential as a star, but I think the "character" hit pieces are off the mark.
Woj's sit down interview with him from Feb 2020 was very enlightening to what kind of guy James Wiseman is.

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/28751421/james-wiseman-opens-heartbreaking-memphis-saga

[Dejounte]

CQrE1GXgTfy

[slick'81]

CQrE1GXgTfy


Spurs future sf baaaby!

[Mr. Body]

It's unfortunate that people right off rookies after one year, especially one as raw as James Wiseman.
Even Luka Samanic was declared a bust when he hadn't shown enough in Pre-season games (Start of his 2nd yr btw).

Yes, GS played considerably better w/o him on the floor but that's not to say that will continue long term.

He showed flashes, a workable blueprint/archetype to receive minutes and think he'll be better as a result of his experiences through his rookie year.

We can question his basketball acumen and his potential as a star, but I think the "character" hit pieces are off the mark.
Woj's sit down interview with him from Feb 2020 was very enlightening to what kind of guy James Wiseman is.

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/28751421/james-wiseman-opens-heartbreaking-memphis-saga

Best thing to happen to the Warriors last year was Wiseman getting hurt. They're desperate to dump him.

He was smart to shut himself down in college. Completely hid the fact that he doesn't know how to play basketball. No way he'd be drafted #2 with a do-over.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1409556817760423940?s=20

[Dejounte]

Spurs future sf baaaby!

I don’t see the Kings passing him up, unfortunately. I tried to convince myself that there is someone else who is a better fit for the Kings, but I cannot find anyone. If not the Kings, then the Magic.

Franz’ build reminds me of Kawhi’s. He looks like he has really long arms.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BA1GYjD1yHo/mqdefault.jpg

[bluebellmaniac]

Being fast or athletic or a freak is nothing without a high BBIQ. Might as well draft a deer otherwise.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t see the Kings passing him up, unfortunately. I tried to convince myself that there is someone else who is a better fit for the Kings, but I cannot find anyone. If not the Kings, then the Magic.

Franz’ build reminds me of Kawhi’s. He looks like he has really long arms.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BA1GYjD1yHo/mqdefault.jpg

Kings make lots of mistakes, despite hitting with Halliburton last year. I can see Wagner drifting out of the top 10, as he's not perceived as having a star's ceiling.

[Dejounte]

Kings make lots of mistakes, despite hitting with Halliburton last year. I can see Wagner drifting out of the top 10, as he's not perceived as having a star's ceiling.

Kings were making mistakes before Monte McNair came along in Sept 2020. McNair’s background is in sports analytics, and worked under Daryl Morey in Houston. Wagner shines in all advanced metrics. It’s a done deal.

[PhantomDashCam]

Being fast or athletic or a freak is nothing without a high BBIQ. Might as well draft a deer otherwise.

Not advocating for drafting a low IQ player but Dwight Howard, for example, was a star in his prime, a future HOF'er and I would say his BBIQ is extremely low.

The best who have ever done it clearly have the IQ but you can still play this game by being an extreme athlete and focusing on certain aspects of your craft.

[bluebellmaniac]

Not advocating for drafting a low IQ player but Dwight Howard, for example, was a star in his prime, a future HOF'er and I would say his BBIQ is extremely low.

The best who have ever done it clearly have the IQ but you can still play this game by being an extreme athlete and focusing on certain aspects of your craft.

Some players can have a great career just putting up shots on some teams, others just playing defense. And those can be okay, but with the 12th pick I'd want one that can contribute to the beautiful game.

[widowmaker]

I would do wiseman and that 7th pick for Derozen

[Russ]

I would do wiseman and that 7th pick for Derozen

And you would immediately be named Executive of the Year (even though the year hasn't yet happened).

[ace3g]

https://sports.yahoo.com/8-players-who-improved-their-2021-nba-draft-stock-152905321.html

8 players who improved their 2021 NBA draft stock

[tbdog]

I would do wiseman and that 7th pick for Derozen

I think Sixers could want DDR for Simmons where Wiggins goes to Spurs. Unfortunately it'll have to happen after the draft when DDR can officially speak to teams.

But I can see DDR and Wiseman going to Sixers. Simmons to warriors with future 1st. Wiggins and one of warriors draftees to Spurs. The Sixers flip Wiseman for a shooter and then sign Lowry.

[rankingtear]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31725639/2021-nba-mock-draft-movement-lottery-combine

Post combine mock, a lot of movement due to more a lot of intel coming in.

- Barnes ahead of Kuminga
- Bouknight and Giddey cracking the top 10.
- Jalen Johnson at 12.
- Kai Jones cracks lottery.
- Sengun and Moody outside of the lottery.
- Promise? Duarte LAL at 22 , Jackson WAS at 15
- Trey Murphy III late riser might be in our range in a couple of weeks
- Thor, Primo, Bones, Grimes in 1st round
- McBride, Abmas, Bassey, Desonmu out
- NO pick at 10 is gettable

Our wing selection is Franz, Jalen, Kispert, Moody and maybe Trey Murphy and JT Thor

[Dejounte]

!requestupdate bluebellmaniac

[Degoat]

Just out of curiosity for the the people wanting Franz Wagner…. I wouldn’t mind him tbh but, don’t y’all think he’s kind of identical to what the spurs should have in Luka? Like would they really draft another guy that kind of has the same abilities when they’re trying to develop one already

[dbestpro]

Just out of curiosity for the the people wanting Franz Wagner…. I wouldn’t mind him tbh but, don’t y’all think he’s kind of identical to what the spurs should have in Luka? Like would they really draft another guy that kind of has the same abilities when they’re trying to develop one already

Other than the skin color I don't think they play the same at all.

[bluebellmaniac]

30 Days until the Draft!

Hooyah!

[Mr. Body]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31725639/2021-nba-mock-draft-movement-lottery-combine

Post combine mock, a lot of movement due to more a lot of intel coming in.

- Barnes ahead of Kuminga
- Bouknight and Giddey cracking the top 10.
- Jalen Johnson at 12.
- Kai Jones cracks lottery.
- Sengun and Moody outside of the lottery.
- Promise? Duarte LAL at 22 , Jackson WAS at 15
- Trey Murphy III late riser might be in our range in a couple of weeks
- Thor, Primo, Bones, Grimes in 1st round
- McBride, Abmas, Bassey, Desonmu out
- NO pick at 10 is gettable

Our wing selection is Franz, Jalen, Kispert, Moody and maybe Trey Murphy and JT Thor

Kuminga has shades of Gerald Green to me. Green was able to stick in the league for a long time, but he was just an athlete that learned how to play enough to last. Athleticism is not knowing how to play basketball.

[R. DeMurre]

Just out of curiosity for the the people wanting Franz Wagner…. I wouldn’t mind him tbh but, don’t y’all think he’s kind of identical to what the spurs should have in Luka? Like would they really draft another guy that kind of has the same abilities when they’re trying to develop one already

The comp I like most for Wagner is Andrei Kirilenko... Positive impact on both offensive & defensive sides with a relatively low usage rate, so more a well rounded glue guy than a #1 option. In college, advanced stats loved Wagner, as they did Kirilenko-- I haven't seen that from Samanic at all in any capacity. The one slight fear I have for Wagner after watching more tape on him is that a lot of his three point misses seem to be pretty bad misses, clanking off the front rim or being completely misaligned, so projections of him becoming a better than average three point shooter might be exaggerated, though his good FT% works in his favor. I think Franz is ideally a tall SG or a SF, whereas Luka is likely a PF who can maybe log some SF or C minutes.

[Degoat]

Other than the skin color I don't think they play the same at all.

How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside

[Degoat]

The comp I like most for Wagner is Andrei Kirilenko... Positive impact on both offensive & defensive sides with a relatively low usage rate, so more a well rounded glue guy than a #1 option. In college, advanced stats loved Wagner, as they did Kirilenko-- I haven't seen that from Samanic at all in any capacity. The one slight fear I have for Wagner after watching more tape on him is that a lot of his three point misses seem to be pretty bad misses, clanking off the front rim or being completely misaligned, so projections of him becoming a better than average three point shooter might be exaggerated, though his good FT% works in his favor. I think Franz is ideally a tall SG or a SF, whereas Luka is likely a PF who can maybe log some SF or C minutes.

I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol

[rjv]

I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol

yeah-and in that same interview he also compared his game to KD's.

[R. DeMurre]

I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol

Really? Interesting... I haven't seen that. Good sign, in my book!


Edit: Ah, found it: https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/spurs-luka-samanic-compares-himself-to-a-pair-of-the-nbas-best

[rankingtear]

How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside

Luka is a big man, post up and rolls consist a chunk of his offense.

[Dejounte]

How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside

The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock shit down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.

[rjv]

but we're all pretty sure wagner will be gone by 12 anyway? isn't that the general vibe at this time?

[Dejounte]

but we're all pretty sure wagner will be gone by 12 anyway? isn't that the general vibe at this time?

Shit. Yes. No. Maybe. I don’t want to be disappointed.

[ginobilized]

Shit. Yes. No. Maybe. I don’t want to be disappointed.

It's the hope that kills ya.......

This draft is going to be really hard to predict after Cunningham. I'm still not sure that the Spurs are going to stick with 12, either.
I do believe that we will end up with 1-3 solid building blocks by the time summer ends. No idea how that will shake out.

All that said, I appreciate your dedication to data-based, and, basketball-centered posts!

[Mr. Body]

I hope somebody bites on Jalen Johnson. Feel he drops like a stone, though.

[John B]

I hope somebody bites on Jalen Johnson. Feel he drops like a stone, though.

Yes my Spurs, future franchise player :ihit:hungry::hungry::chestbump

[BackHome]

The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock shit down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.

[BackHome]

The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock shit down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.

+1 :flag:

[R. DeMurre]

I stumbled across this today, written about 4 months ago on Cory Kispert:

"despite being the kind of athlete that will never be close to touching a 30+ inch vertical jump, he counters this lack of verticality with soft touch and strength supplied from that bulky 6-foot-7, 220-pound frame that he uses well in the lane, and this aids his ability to finish with both hands."

Kispert registered a 37.5" vertical at the NBA combine. It's so common for writers to post this kind of anecdotal stuff that is just completely wrong. I saw a similar blurb a few weeks ago about Jaden Springer, who then registered a 41.5" vertical.


https://8points9seconds.com/2021/02/05/indiana-pacers-prospects-corey-kispert-an-absolute-shooting-flamethrower/2/

[objective]

Wagner is not a turnover machine like Samanic.

[offset formation]

30 days to draft day, boys.

I'm hoping Sengun is available. Dude can stroke it.

And of course he'll learn to play defense if he comes here.

[Degoat]

As it stands, I think Giddey, Moody, and Sengun are my favorite prospects in our range… honestly there really isn’t one player I’d be disappointed if we drafted

[EasyMoney]

Kai Jones

[SAGirl]

I feel strongly that Samanic shouldn’t even be a consideration when deciding who to draft. They have had decent combo guard prospects in recent years and mid sized wings and still got more because when none of them are a star, or a given success, you don’t limit yourself from drafting who you think is going to be the best player.

Samanic is still a project. If he pans out that’s great, but honestly he has not yet and also may never. He can’t shoot well enough yet and without decent shooting I honestly don’t know who he is as a player, we’ll see. He shouldn’t even be a consideration on who to draft.

[mo7888]

I feel strongly that Samanic shouldn’t even be a consideration when deciding who to draft. They have had decent combo guard prospects in recent years and mid sized wings and still got more because when none of them are a star, or a given success, you don’t limit yourself from drafting who you think is going to be the best player.

Samanic is still a project. If he pans out that’s great, but honestly he has not yet and also may never. He can’t shoot well enough yet and without decent shooting I honestly don’t know who he is as a player, we’ll see. He shouldn’t even be a consideration on who to draft.

I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.

[SAGirl]

I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.
Exactly this is the answer.

[Dejounte]

I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.

This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.

[mo7888]

This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.

That's over-complicating things. The best player when we pick may be marginally better that Murray or much better than say Keldon (using as an example)...but he's still the Best Player Available...that should be our target no matter what because we aren't good enough to choose a lesser talent because the gap between he and KJ is greater than the disparity between a superior player and DJ. Just pick pick the best player and figure the rest out later.

[rjv]

This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.

i agree; i look at kai in the 1st round or even jericho sims in the 2nd and I see them doing things that Poeltl already does better. even if jones has more upside, how long does he take to develop?

[Dejounte]

That's over-complicating things. The best player when we pick may be marginally better that Murray or much better than say Keldon (using as an example)...but he's still the Best Player Available...that should be our target no matter what because we aren't good enough to choose a lesser talent because the gap between he and KJ is greater than the disparity between a superior player and DJ. Just pick pick the best player and figure the rest out later.

BPA takes on a different definition when you’re drafting at #12 unless a top projected pick falls into your lap. There are no guys expected at #12 who is really set apart from the others. Especially no point guards.

It’s very even at that point. And I’m saying that with a huge favoritism for Wagner, Moody, Giddey.

If we were picking at #6, your comment would be more applicable since there’s a chance a true BPA falls.