Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[jjspur]

I know we are all going a bit crazy over who our pick will be at 12 and even a little bit for our 2nd round pick. Any thoughts on players who might go undrafted but could be prospects for our G-league team ? Every year there are a few that make it through the G-league and beat out drafted players even some with guaranteed contracts.

[The Truth #6]

I think there are three basic paths to being a star. A) A player is a star in college/overseas and comes in still being a star; B) A player comes in raw and ends up booming into a star; C) A player comes in with a well-defined niche and is thought of as a role-player but then develops into a star. We should all be able to see that the most likely path is A). That's the reason why so many stars come from top picks. Not every A) is a top pick. Lillard, Mitchell and potentially Haliburton are examples of guys drafted out of the top-five picks who end up just continuing on. The disagreement is that I think a lot of fans believe that B) is significantly more common than C), to the point that the downside of trying for B) and missing against the downside of missing C) and getting a role-player is somehow smaller than the upside difference. To put it another way, those folks seem to believe that having a bigger gap between a player's floor and their ceiling is the same as having a higher ceiling. I don't actually agree with this assumption. Very few raw players develop into stars, and even though guys in C) don't usually become top-five players, top-five players are usually guys in A) anyway, and once you get down to like third-tier stars you end up seeing a higher percentage of guys in C) than in B) anyway.

As I've said before development isn't actually something than can be summed up in a simple graph. Like you can't say, "In X years, this player has some percentage chance of being good, and that's worth passing up on this other player who doesn't have a chance to be that good." It's not just about how good you can end up being. It's how effective a player will be at various points in time, how confident a staff can be at adding certain skills, how useful the player will be over the life of their time with the club, and maybe an overlooked fact -- how valuable will this player be on the trade market at various points of time. A guy from B) might be more valuable on the trade market for the first couple of years, but guys in C) will end up being really useful in collecting future assets since they're coveted by both contenders and mediocre teams. Guys in B) are at best players who might help get a star from a rebuilding team, provided they're developing well enough to not show a bust downside yet.

As I've also said before, the idea that the Spurs need to find a way to draft a franchise talent as their primary goal is antiquated. Not only are most stars acquired by trade nowadays, but guys on bad or even meh teams will ask out much more frequently. You can't draft a star and then build a team around him, because stars are usually too impatient for that. You have to basically be able to build a title contending team within two or three years of a star emerging. The idea of drafting a KD/RW/JH trio and keeping them together for a decade just won't happen anymore. It didn't even happen eight years ago or whenever the Thunder traded Harden, and the NBA wasn't where it is now. A no, it's not "Still the best way for a small-market team to build". The strategy is just more free-agent oriented for large-market teams. Trading is critical to both.

I think I'm spinning off a bit. The point I'm basically making is that the Spurs shouldn't worry about looking for a franchise player, especially if they're doing that by looking at raw guys with "upside" over established players with a clear NBA floor. If you draft a bunch of Brogdon's, you can make the moves to become a dark-horse than if you draft a bunch of raw, skinny 18-year-olds. You just have to be willing to let those Brogdon's go to get better pieces rather than coveting them or comparing them to stars.

While I agree with you in a general sense, this seems to eliminate any options for the Spurs to move forward once we get out of a vacuum and recognize the Spurs are a small market team where stars more likely want to leave then stay here. Sure, you can't just draft a star, yet teams still do and build around them through trade and free agency. I mean, I agree there is not a single way to succeed, but for a small market team, the draft is crucial because top free agents won't even give SA a meeting, and stars have clout and can demand where they go, more or less, and San Antonio is never going to be that destination.

So, let's say you're right. What's the next move? Do nothing?

Or perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly.

[The Truth #6]

I know we are all going a bit crazy over who our pick will be at 12 and even a little bit for our 2nd round pick. Any thoughts on players who might go undrafted but could be prospects for our G-league team ? Every year there are a few that make it through the G-league and beat out drafted players even some with guaranteed contracts.

Yves Pons.

Jherico Sims.

Mathew Hurt.

Those are a few that come to mind. Highly athletic and almost zero skills. Or highly skilled and have 13.5% body fat and move like a glacier. So to speak.

[mo7888]

A player that doesn't get mentioned here much that I'm warming up to a little bit in situational scenarios is Luka Garza. I'm specifically speaking of a 2nd round selection. He's crafty around the basket and his improving outside shot makes him more playable. He has a chance to be a Brook Lopez archetype on offense as a ceiling and a Jalil Okafor as a floor. That's not awful as a 2nd round selection. Should the Spurs select him? Probably not as currently constructed but, if Poeltl gets moved at the draft and we end up with a starting stretch 5 then he'd make more sense coming off the bench. Also a longer term fit next to Kai Jones could be interesting if Kai can develop into a high level rim protecting stretch 4.

[Chinook]

While I agree with you in a general sense, this seems to eliminate any options for the Spurs to move forward once we get out of a vacuum and recognize the Spurs are a small market team where stars more likely want to leave then stay here. Sure, you can't just draft a star, yet teams still do and build around them through trade and free agency. I mean, I agree there is not a single way to succeed, but for a small market team, the draft is crucial because top free agents won't even give SA a meeting, and stars have clout and can demand where they go, more or less, and San Antonio is never going to be that destination.

So, let's say you're right. What's the next move? Do nothing?

Or perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly.

I've mentioned this before, but in my opinion, the most straight-forward way to become a contender is to draft a star, sign a star and then trade for a star. The issue is that most people get hung up on the belief that they need to draft a franchise player, then either draft or otherwise acquire the other stars. The part you highlighted was basically saying that you can't sell out to get a franchise player, because you'll be so bereft of talent that that player will want to leave. Rather, it would be better to draft a second banana, sign a third and then trade for a first-banana.

This doesn't mean you pass up on franchise players if one falls to you. In the context of my whole post, what it means is you need to worry about drafting tradeable pieces rather than taking risks on stars all the time, because ultimately you're going to have to be able to acquire one or more stars from outside the organization, and a bunch of busts that had a 10-percent chance of becoming unicorns aren't really good enough for that purpose. In terms of A), B) and C), it doesn't mean you don't take A) guys when they're there. It means you should value C) guys more since they'll be useful to get a star if they don't develop into a star themselves.

To borrow the common baseball analogy, many of the historical high-scoring teams didn't get there by just hitting a ton of homeruns. They got there by being able to get on base and advance through hits, sac-flies and stolen bases. The Rangers from the WS runs are an example of how that looks. Anyways, in the Spurs case, getting solid-C assets and being willing to move them to get B and then A assets is critical to being able to spec into a contender while avoiding tanking. That's why they have to be willing to move guys like Murray and not cling to them because "He's youngish and not horrible, so we have to keep him". DJM, White and hopefully Johnson were really good picks for their position, but then you have to be willing to trade for better picks, out-draft that higher position, develop them, trade them for higher picks and grab those A) players. Otherwise, you end up getting cap-locked into mediocre players that you're hesitant to upgrade over because you've convinced yourself they are core players.

So a possible plan right now: Bank on White being the third banana; sign Collins; make a trade for a guy who fits with them but his hopefully better than them. Another: Trade for Sabonis; sign a guy like Trent with the cap space; hope you kept enough value to make an all-in trade on a star wing. A third: Trade Murray for draft value; sign Collins or another PF if a good one doesn't fall in the draft; develop around that move balanced core while keeping a max slot open for 2022; In 2022, hope you already have one star before signing and trading for the others.

What you don't do: Draft a one-in-a-million guy because he kinda looks like Giannis at 18 or whatever; get rid of any decent vet to give minutes to young players; hang onto decent ones with your cap space; hope you get a high pick to take a shot the next year. That's the kind of path a lot of posters seem to think the Spurs HAVE to take because they aren't a free-agent destination. It's antiquated. You don't have to worry about signing stars if you're going to trade for them, and the thing that attracts free agents the most is playing with other stars. The thing that repels them the most is being a shitty team in a small market.

[spurspl]

Yves Pons.

Jherico Sims.

Mathew Hurt.

Those are a few that come to mind. Highly athletic and almost zero skills. Or highly skilled and have 13.5% body fat and move like a glacier. So to speak.

doubt that hurt wont be drafted. Hes a great shooter PF. Thats should be enough for a 2nd round

[tonight...you]

Has it though? Milutinov is only 26, roughly the same age Tiago was when he joined our team.
Good point. I take it back. You're right.

[The Truth #6]

I've mentioned this before, but in my opinion, the most straight-forward way to become a contender is to draft a star, sign a star and then trade for a star. The issue is that most people get hung up on the belief that they need to draft a franchise player, then either draft or otherwise acquire the other stars. The part you highlighted was basically saying that you can't sell out to get a franchise player, because you'll be so bereft of talent that that player will want to leave. Rather, it would be better to draft a second banana, sign a third and then trade for a first-banana.

This doesn't mean you pass up on franchise players if one falls to you. In the context of my whole post, what it means is you need to worry about drafting tradeable pieces rather than taking risks on stars all the time, because ultimately you're going to have to be able to acquire one or more stars from outside the organization, and a bunch of busts that had a 10-percent chance of becoming unicorns aren't really good enough for that purpose. In terms of A), B) and C), it doesn't mean you don't take A) guys when they're there. It means you should value C) guys more since they'll be useful to get a star if they don't develop into a star themselves.

To borrow the common baseball analogy, many of the historical high-scoring teams didn't get there by just hitting a ton of homeruns. They got there by being able to get on base and advance through hits, sac-flies and stolen bases. The Rangers from the WS runs are an example of how that looks. Anyways, in the Spurs case, getting solid-C assets and being willing to move them to get B and then A assets is critical to being able to spec into a contender while avoiding tanking. That's why they have to be willing to move guys like Murray and not cling to them because "He's youngish and not horrible, so we have to keep him". DJM, White and hopefully Johnson were really good picks for their position, but then you have to be willing to trade for better picks, out-draft that higher position, develop them, trade them for higher picks and grab those A) players. Otherwise, you end up getting cap-locked into mediocre players that you're hesitant to upgrade over because you've convinced yourself they are core players.

So a possible plan right now: Bank on White being the third banana; sign Collins; make a trade for a guy who fits with them but his hopefully better than them. Another: Trade for Sabonis; sign a guy like Trent with the cap space; hope you kept enough value to make an all-in trade on a star wing. A third: Trade Murray for draft value; sign Collins or another PF if a good one doesn't fall in the draft; develop around that move balanced core while keeping a max slot open for 2022; In 2022, hope you already have one star before signing and trading for the others.

What you don't do: Draft a one-in-a-million guy because he kinda looks like Giannis at 18 or whatever; get rid of any decent vet to give minutes to young players; hang onto decent ones with your cap space; hope you get a high pick to take a shot the next year. That's the kind of path a lot of posters seem to think the Spurs HAVE to take because they aren't a free-agent destination. It's antiquated. You don't have to worry about signing stars if you're going to trade for them, and the thing that attracts free agents the most is playing with other stars. The thing that repels them the most is being a shitty team in a small market.


Oh, ok. Cool.

[The Truth #6]

doubt that hurt wont be drafted. Hes a great shooter PF. Thats should be enough for a 2nd round

Yeah, he easily could. I’m highlighting guys that would be great to target and are borderline late 2nd round picks.

[Mr. Body]

Ziaire Williams in the top 10 feels a bit crazy, but teams draft on tools and 'upside' or the redundant 'upside potential' and he might get a pass for Sanford having an awful year due to Covid and him losing a loved one during. Fact is, no one in the mid- to late-lottery is convincing and guys could slide up that a team convinces itself is great. I've seen Cameron Thomas start becoming a lottery pick, too.

So it feels weird becaue his production was pretty terrible, but he's a better pick than Kuminga, for example.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1418958862837850126

[Dejounte]

"As a young guy, that be a great place to go and really build a strong foundation for the rest of my career," said Moody.

aka I want the Spurs to develop me into a good player then I can leave for greener pastures.

[Russ]

"As a young guy, that be a great place to go and really build a strong foundation for the rest of my career," said Moody.

aka I want the Spurs to develop me into a good player then I can leave for greener pastures.

Moody has way too little upside to be talking that way.

[SpursDynasty85]

Moody has way too little upside to be talking that way.

3&D guys with his measurements make a ton of money as long as they play smart.

[R. DeMurre]

Draft is going to be bananas...

Both prospects rumored to have completed two workouts with the same team:

Williams - Orlando
Sengun - Charlotte.

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/1418678181935030272?s=20

https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/1418598054647762946?s=20

I wouldn't use a lottery pick on Ziaire Williams. There's a ton of wiggle room for interpreting advanced stats with college players-- SOS, age, coaching approaches, etc-- but Ziaire has by far the worst of any prospect. As far as I can see he's the only one with upside down metrics-- an ORtg of 86.3 and a DRtg of 99.2, which is pretty bad. For comparison, some analysts have expressed concern that Cade Cunningham's metrics are less impressive than expected and he's at 106.4/97, while someone like Franz Wagner is at 121.5/92.3. These numbers aren't foolproof by any means, and tend to over-reward bigs, but it takes a lot of bad play to have numbers that incredibly poor.

[Russ]

3&D guys with his [Moody's] measurements make a ton of money as long as they play smart.

You're right, but they need to go to a team ready for their skills. The Spurs aren't at that point.

Look at Bowen -- he was a throwaway in the eyes of his undeveloped Miami team.

But when he got to the Spurs his 3&D skills were critical.

[Degoat]

Sooo just thinking out loud here but the guys the spurs haven’t met with, that are in our range are Franz Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Davion Mitchell, James Bouknight, and Josh Giddey. Think any of those guys are the spurs targets and there trying to keep quiet about there interest on one of them?

[SpursDynasty85]

Sooo just thinking out loud here but the guys the spurs haven’t met with, that are in our range are Franz Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Davion Mitchell, James Bouknight, and Josh Giddey. Think any of those guys are the spurs targets and there trying to keep quiet about there interest on one of them?

Giddey would make the most sense because of position and Patty’s Australia connections.

[SpursDynasty85]

You're right, but they need to go to a team ready for their skills. The Spurs aren't at that point.

Look at Bowen -- he was a throwaway in the eyes of his undeveloped Miami team.

But when he got to the Spurs his 3&D skills were critical.

In a way yes but the need for the position has grown a lot since Bowen. Pretty much any team looking to make the playoffs are going to need a 3&D wing like him. If he can play solid as a small ball PF, then his need increases even more. His athleticism definitely limits his upside but his floor looks really good.

[Chinook]

Yeah, the idea that the team doesn't need a three-and-D player is absurd. They need at least one, if not two. What they don't need is a guy who needs the ball in their hands to volume-score.

[Mr. Body]

Sooo just thinking out loud here but the guys the spurs haven’t met with, that are in our range are Franz Wagner, Jalen Johnson, Davion Mitchell, James Bouknight, and Josh Giddey. Think any of those guys are the spurs targets and there trying to keep quiet about there interest on one of them?

Franz Wagner -- Yes, definitely. Strange they haven't had him in, if that's true? Maybe they see too much overlap with Samanac?
Jalen Johnson -- I don't think in a million years the Spurs would consider him. I'd be absolutely stunned if they talked about him for more than two minutes.
Davion Mitchell -- He does seem like a Spurs-type player, but the team has tons of guards, plus he's less of a project due to his age.
James Bouknight -- I don't see a cultural fit. He seems more of a freelancer on offense and would do better in a different system.
Josh Giddey -- Not many teams have worked him out, so that's not necessarily a sign. I do feel like they're considering him, but who knows.

[Kurik]

Moody has way too little upside to be talking that way.

He’s barely 19 and led an unexpected elite 8 team in scoring, I think it’s way too early to say he has limited upside. Even if he just becomes a 3&D player, a good one seems to be hard for the Spurs to get.

[duncan2150]

Franz Wagner -- Yes, definitely. Strange they haven't had him in, if that's true? Maybe they see too much overlap with Samanac?
Jalen Johnson -- I don't think in a million years the Spurs would consider him. I'd be absolutely stunned if they talked about him for more than two minutes.
Davion Mitchell -- He does seem like a Spurs-type player, but the team has tons of guards, plus he's less of a project due to his age.
James Bouknight -- I don't see a cultural fit. He seems more of a freelancer on offense and would do better in a different system.
Josh Giddey -- Not many teams have worked him out, so that's not necessarily a sign. I do feel like they're considering him, but who knows.

+1

For Giddey he did not workout for any team imo ? he had some interviews or exchanges with some teams but nothing else as he was with the Aussie team. Same thing for Garuba.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Udo4bWbubws

[Mr. Body]

+1

For Giddey he did not workout for any team imo ? he had some interviews or exchanges with some teams but nothing else as he was with the Aussie team. Same thing for Garuba.

I think he did work out for the Warriors.

[mo7888]

https://youtu.be/Udo4bWbubws

Well, I sure hope it plays out that way....damn them for getting my hopes up...

[duncan2150]

I think he did work out for the Warriors.


Yes that was a scouting from the Warriors in Vegas where he was with his NT

[Mr. Body]

Yes that was a scouting from the Warriors in Vegas where he was with his NT

Yeah, you're right. I don't think Giddey has done any private workouts.

[PhantomDashCam]

What are some good draft boards out there?

Some links? ( not espn or the other big ones )

Here are a few Big Boards to check out.
They may not quantify as good down the road but at least offer a variety from respected names:

https://twitter.com/DraftDummies/status/1416198093180076038?s=20

https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/1417551378969464840?s=20

https://twitter.com/report_court/status/1419009631209230337?s=20

[JuneJive]

Cool. Thanks. Needed some independent perspectives.

[scott]

Here are a few Big Boards to check out.
They may not quantify as good down the road but at least offer a variety from respected names:

https://twitter.com/DraftDummies/status/1416198093180076038?s=20

https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/1417551378969464840?s=20

https://twitter.com/report_court/status/1419009631209230337?s=20

Would be nice if NBA GMs were as low on Kuminga, but I'm guessing not.

[Mr. Body]

Hedo Turkoglu seems certain Sengun is going to Orlando.

[Dejounte]

Hedo Turkoglu seems certain Sengun is going to Orlando.

why am i so good at calling these things? Link?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I've mentioned this before, but in my opinion, the most straight-forward way to become a contender is to draft a star, sign a star and then trade for a star. The issue is that most people get hung up on the belief that they need to draft a franchise player, then either draft or otherwise acquire the other stars. The part you highlighted was basically saying that you can't sell out to get a franchise player, because you'll be so bereft of talent that that player will want to leave. Rather, it would be better to draft a second banana, sign a third and then trade for a first-banana.

This doesn't mean you pass up on franchise players if one falls to you. In the context of my whole post, what it means is you need to worry about drafting tradeable pieces rather than taking risks on stars all the time, because ultimately you're going to have to be able to acquire one or more stars from outside the organization, and a bunch of busts that had a 10-percent chance of becoming unicorns aren't really good enough for that purpose. In terms of A), B) and C), it doesn't mean you don't take A) guys when they're there. It means you should value C) guys more since they'll be useful to get a star if they don't develop into a star themselves.

To borrow the common baseball analogy, many of the historical high-scoring teams didn't get there by just hitting a ton of homeruns. They got there by being able to get on base and advance through hits, sac-flies and stolen bases. The Rangers from the WS runs are an example of how that looks. Anyways, in the Spurs case, getting solid-C assets and being willing to move them to get B and then A assets is critical to being able to spec into a contender while avoiding tanking. That's why they have to be willing to move guys like Murray and not cling to them because "He's youngish and not horrible, so we have to keep him". DJM, White and hopefully Johnson were really good picks for their position, but then you have to be willing to trade for better picks, out-draft that higher position, develop them, trade them for higher picks and grab those A) players. Otherwise, you end up getting cap-locked into mediocre players that you're hesitant to upgrade over because you've convinced yourself they are core players.

So a possible plan right now: Bank on White being the third banana; sign Collins; make a trade for a guy who fits with them but his hopefully better than them. Another: Trade for Sabonis; sign a guy like Trent with the cap space; hope you kept enough value to make an all-in trade on a star wing. A third: Trade Murray for draft value; sign Collins or another PF if a good one doesn't fall in the draft; develop around that move balanced core while keeping a max slot open for 2022; In 2022, hope you already have one star before signing and trading for the others.

What you don't do: Draft a one-in-a-million guy because he kinda looks like Giannis at 18 or whatever; get rid of any decent vet to give minutes to young players; hang onto decent ones with your cap space; hope you get a high pick to take a shot the next year. That's the kind of path a lot of posters seem to think the Spurs HAVE to take because they aren't a free-agent destination. It's antiquated. You don't have to worry about signing stars if you're going to trade for them, and the thing that attracts free agents the most is playing with other stars. The thing that repels them the most is being a shitty team in a small market.

Chinook, thank you for your basketball wisdom! Love your analysis as always! I figured that you don't like ball hoggers like Murray. You kind of convinced me. Now I'm willing to trade Murray for a top 8 draft pick. Am I asking too much?

[Dejounte]

I see it now.

i think they’ll take him at #5 to avoid the risk of OKC getting him

Mock:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - Green
3. Cavaliers - Mobley
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - either Kuminga or Barnes
6. Thunder - What’s left between Kuminga and Barnes
7. Warriors - Moody
8. Magic - Sengun
9. Kings - Wagner
10. Pelicans - Kispert - they need a shooter badly
11. Hornets - Jackson - has ties with LaMelo
12. Spurs

edit: i just realized Hedo said he thinks theyll take Sengun at 8

[mo7888]

I see it now.

i think they’ll take him at #5 to avoid the risk of OKC getting him

Mock:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - Green
3. Cavaliers - Mobley
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - either Kuminga or Barnes
6. Thunder - What’s left between Kuminga and Barnes
7. Warriors - Moody
8. Magic - Sengun
9. Kings - Wagner
10. Pelicans - Kispert - they need a shooter badly
11. Hornets - Jackson - has ties with LaMelo
12. Spurs

edit: i just realized Hedo said he thinks theyll take Sengun at 8

You have either Kuminga or Barnes falling to us...

Edit- nevermind....I must be blind...lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

question is pop going to give the lottery pick adequate minutes to jump the que roster rotation to develop into a star player or he just bury them on the bench over his cocksucking buttlicking favorites?

[objective]

Sengun to Orlando does make a lot of sense. They have a ton of guards who, though not that good, probably aren't worse than any guard available at 8.

And they might suppose that Isaac when healthy would be a great match for Sengun defensively. And I'm sure they have already given up on Bamba and aren't married to Carter Jr.

[SAGirl]

I hadn’t really looked up why Halliburton dropped to 12 (Sac) last season when he was ranked about the 5th best player by some experts. I really didn’t pay much attention to the draft stuff before it happened last year so I didn’t have any kind of horse in the race and I was fairly happy with Vassell (still am).

But I got curious and found reports after the draft suggesting he orchestrated his own fall to 12 bc he felt Sacramento was a good fit for him and he would get playing time there. For whoever cares: https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article247300064.html

That just reminded me of all the cloak and dagger stuff with Giddey and all the fawning over him from the Warriors. Surprisingly even without workouts, he has risen and now it’s possible he doesn’t even fall to the Spurs so I have started looking at other prospects. I think despite my reservations earlier I d be really excited if he was drafted, but I now have a different kind of reservation.

Even if a player doesn’t have a choice on where they get drafted necessarily, I do believe if a prospect is in love with a different team and not interested in San Antonio, Spurs wouldn’t draft him bc that would just be asking for trouble down the line.

I haven’t seen where Giddey is dissuading anybody, and one would think that is stupid, but after seeing the articles on Halliburton, who knows?

I think this kind of aspect gets overlooked (I know I did), once you are in the lottery all these guys get courted, go to dinner, etc. personality and how enthusiastic the player is about the franchise surely plays some role in this. That’s not to say you would draft someone who underwhelmed, but when you have to make up your mind between a few equally good players, the fit and how much that guy liked the Spurs when he visited surely matters.

Edit: speculation: Sacramento I think courted Franz and have likely sold him on fit as well.

[SAGirl]

Chinook, thank you for your basketball wisdom! Love your analysis as always! I figured that you don't like ball hoggers like Murray. You kind of convinced me. Now I'm willing to trade Murray for a top 8 draft pick. Am I asking too much?
Imagine if the Spurs didn’t draft Halliburton bc they had Murray… I don’t want to think about it like that but they can’t get attached to anybody in terms of not drafting the most talented guy bc they don’t need anything at that position…

In that case, I see the rumors of the Murray trade differently.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar/status/1419057414280650754

Kings, please trade out so you don't take my boy Franz...

[Mr. Body]

I see it now.

i think they’ll take him at #5 to avoid the risk of OKC getting him

Mock:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - Green
3. Cavaliers - Mobley
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - either Kuminga or Barnes
6. Thunder - What’s left between Kuminga and Barnes
7. Warriors - Moody
8. Magic - Sengun
9. Kings - Wagner
10. Pelicans - Kispert - they need a shooter badly
11. Hornets - Jackson - has ties with LaMelo
12. Spurs

edit: i just realized Hedo said he thinks theyll take Sengun at 8

Along with SA Girl's thoughts, I can see Giddey going to GSW at #7. I think Pels could take Moody over Kispert. Hornets I think take a big, either Jackson or Jones. This leaves the Spurs with some uncertainty.

[Dejounte]

I hadn’t really looked up why Halliburton dropped to 12 (Sac) last season when he was ranked about the 5th best player by some experts. I really didn’t pay much attention to the draft stuff before it happened last year so I didn’t have any kind of horse in the race and I was fairly happy with Vassell (still am).

But I got curious and found reports after the draft suggesting he orchestrated his own fall to 12 bc he felt Sacramento was a good fit for him and he would get playing time there. For whoever cares: https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article247300064.html

That just reminded me of all the cloak and dagger stuff with Giddey and all the fawning over him from the Warriors. Surprisingly even without workouts, he has risen and now it’s possible he doesn’t even fall to the Spurs so I have started looking at other prospects. I think despite my reservations earlier I d be really excited if he was drafted, but I now have a different kind of reservation.

Even if a player doesn’t have a choice on where they get drafted necessarily, I do believe if a prospect is in love with a different team and not interested in San Antonio, Spurs wouldn’t draft him bc that would just be asking for trouble down the line.

I haven’t seen where Giddey is dissuading anybody, and one would think that is stupid, but after seeing the articles on Halliburton, who knows?

I think this kind of aspect gets overlooked (I know I did), once you are in the lottery all these guys get courted, go to dinner, etc. personality and how enthusiastic the player is about the franchise surely plays some role in this. That’s not to say you would draft someone who underwhelmed, but when you have to make up your mind between a few equally good players, the fit and how much that guy liked the Spurs when he visited surely matters.

Edit: speculation: Sacramento I think courted Franz and have likely sold him on fit as well.

Exactly the stuff I was saying way earlier in this thread... I want the Spurs to draft someone who will embrace the team and the city. Partly why I see there's a strong chance of them drafting Duarte... the guy is a clear Spurs fan, almost "likes" every thing the Spurs post on their social media in the same manner Kai actively "likes" everything the Warriors post.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_dsewXS-g8

Starts at 22:42

Shams thinks there's potential to have a historic amount of movement during the draft

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar/status/1419057414280650754

Kings, please trade out so you don't take my boy Franz...
What do the kings want in exchange for Franz?

[Mr. Body]

I see it now.

i think they’ll take him at #5 to avoid the risk of OKC getting him

Mock:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - Green
3. Cavaliers - Mobley
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - either Kuminga or Barnes
6. Thunder - What’s left between Kuminga and Barnes
7. Warriors - Moody
8. Magic - Sengun
9. Kings - Wagner
10. Pelicans - Kispert - they need a shooter badly
11. Hornets - Jackson - has ties with LaMelo
12. Spurs

edit: i just realized Hedo said he thinks theyll take Sengun at 8

Actually Bouknight needs to be up there. I think he might go top 8. Not convinced Magic select Sengun, though.

[SAGirl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_dsewXS-g8

Starts at 22:42

Shams thinks there's potential to have a historic amount of movement during the draft

;)
He even said himself, that he says this every year, that there’s going to be the most movement… lol every year.

Theres certainly interest in moving, but the teams interested want ready to play guys so these aren’t easy trades.

It would explain Spurs making White and Murray available though I bet they have their own horse that they would do a trade like that for and they likely don’t get him.

But I think there’s going to be trades in the lower part of the first round maybe? From teams with multiple picks? I haven’t paid attention to any of that.

He mentioned Bouknight right away as a riser, as well as Duarte. I have to look at them

[SAGirl]

Actually Bouknight needs to be up there. I think he might go top 8. Not convinced Magic select Sengun, though.
Sengun I think might fall and he’d be a God send for the Spurs. I think he’s probably not done growing and may have also grown since last measured. Jaren Jackson about his same age when drafted grew an inch and he’s now a legit 7 footer and I think Luka Samanic, also drafted very young grew an inch. I think he’ll be fine when he matures a bit more in a year. One wouldn’t say this of every prospect but the ones who were around 18-19 this past year do stand to grow a little more yet, specially big men.

[SAGirl]

Actually Bouknight needs to be up there. I think he might go top 8. Not convinced Magic select Sengun, though.
Also, OKC linked to Bouknight. And Shams said he could go in the top 6-7.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ioR8R00S5SibK/giphy.gif

I wonder if OKC doesn’t pick the consensus causing a mix up in that mock by Dejounte as other teams will snatch whoever “fell”

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I like your predictions btw.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, normally you don't have smart teams in the high lottery like this. You don't expect Oklahoma City or Golden State to make mistakes.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/BlazersBySagar/status/1419057414280650754

Kings, please trade out so you don't take my boy Franz...

If they’re attaching 10 to dump Bledsoe I’d happily oblige

[tonight...you]

Sengun I think might fall and he’d be a God send for the Spurs. I think he’s probably not done growing and may have also grown since last measured. Jaren Jackson about his same age when drafted grew an inch and he’s now a legit 7 footer and I think Luka Samanic, also drafted very young grew an inch. I think he’ll be fine when he matures a bit more in a year. One wouldn’t say this of every prospect but the ones who were around 18-19 this past year do stand to grow a little more yet, specially big men.
And Sengun is naturally going to get heavier and stronger as he continues to work out and ages, becoming a more natural C.

I would love it if he gets to the Spurs.

[alfahdlan]

Bouknight will go to either OKC, GSW or Magic. If Giddey falls to us maybe DJM is gone.

[alfahdlan]

I see it now.

i think they’ll take him at #5 to avoid the risk of OKC getting him

Mock:

1. Detroit - Cade
2. Rockets - Green
3. Cavaliers - Mobley
4. Raptors - Suggs
5. Magic - either Kuminga or Barnes
6. Thunder - What’s left between Kuminga and Barnes
7. Warriors - Moody
8. Magic - Sengun
9. Kings - Wagner
10. Pelicans - Kispert - they need a shooter badly
11. Hornets - Jackson - has ties with LaMelo
12. Spurs

edit: i just realized Hedo said he thinks theyll take Sengun at 8

you wake up my flickering hope there, Dejounte.

[Mr. Body]

Bouknight will go to either OKC, GSW or Magic. If Giddey falls to us maybe DJM is gone.

There is no overlap between Giddey and Murray's skill sets.

[SPURt]

As the draft approaches, I’m kind of getting giddy for Giddey tee hee

[alfahdlan]

Report has it that he is available for trade.

[Dejounte]

you wake up my flickering hope there, Dejounte.


everybody but 10-15% of this board will have their hopes shattered on draft night

unless the Spurs completely trade out of the draft lmao

[SAGirl]

everybody but 10-15% of this board will have their hopes shattered on draft night

unless the Spurs completely trade out of the draft lmao
Why? Someone good will fall. For sure.

[exstatic]

Sengun to Orlando does make a lot of sense. They have a ton of guards who, though not that good, probably aren't worse than any guard available at 8.

And they might suppose that Isaac when healthy would be a great match for Sengun defensively. And I'm sure they have already given up on Bamba and aren't married to Carter Jr.

Sengün to Orlando makes no sense from a historical perspective. They draft athletes, not basketball players.

[Dejounte]

Why? Someone good will fall. For sure.

i meant that about people and their favorites

i.e. People who are saying Sengun or bust

[SpursDynasty85]

If they’re attaching 10 to dump Bledsoe I’d happily oblige

you gotta give up some players to match Bledsoe’s. Would take 2 of DJM, Poetl, and White I think. If it was one I’d be on board but not two.

[mo7888]

you gotta give up some players to match Bledsoe’s. Would take 2 of DJM, Poetl, and White I think. If it was one I’d be on board but not two.

We can absorb him into space...that's why they'd give 10 to move him...

[SpursDynasty85]

We can absorb him into space...that's why they'd give 10 to move him...


hes not a free agent. Unless we have a trade exception we have to match salaries in a trade no?

[exstatic]

hes not a free agent. Unless we have a trade exception we have to match salaries in a trade no?

We
Can
Use
Cap
Space

Because he’s currently under contract, they could pick for us, wait 30 days, and trade just the draft rights to us, with Bledsoe, for some unlikely to convey second rounder.

[Mr. Body]

Sengün to Orlando makes no sense from a historical perspective. They draft athletes, not basketball players.

Some rationale is that they had Vucevic, who was a foreign center. I dunno.

[exstatic]

Some rationale is that they had Vucevic, who was a foreign center. I dunno.

They picked a foreign center 5 years (2011) before the rules changes that virtually made big men irrelevant.

[Mr. Body]

That Bledsoe contract is pretty nasty.

[Mr. Body]

They picked a foreign center 5 years (2011) before the rules changes that virtually made big men irrelevant.

Yeah.

I've said it before, it's hard to gauge what this Orlando team wants right now. They cleaned house, which was good, but knowing their direction is almost impossible.

[lmbebo]

That Bledsoe contract is pretty nasty.

Its like $18 million for next season and $19 after that? But shows that the last year is only partially guaranteed (3.9M) ? I'd take that on for 10 if we aren't resigning our bigs or getting Collins

[mo7888]

hes not a free agent. Unless we have a trade exception we have to match salaries in a trade no?

What exstatic said.... we can easily do this if we want to..

[objective]

Sengün to Orlando makes no sense from a historical perspective. They draft athletes, not basketball players.

Cole Anthony didn't really fit with the long raw athletes either. Besides, the point is with 2 top 10 picks they can take a gamble out of their comfort area.

[mo7888]

Its like $18 million for next season and $19 after that? But shows that the last year is only partially guaranteed (3.9M) ? I'd take that on for 10 if we aren't resigning our bigs or getting Collins

I'm in agreement too... I don't think we are getting Collins anyway (but I'm sure the FO has a much better feel for that)... and even though Bledsoe is a net negative we could move DJ or White in a separate deal for players or picks... there are literally a ton of options..

[Mr. Body]

Its like $18 million for next season and $19 after that? But shows that the last year is only partially guaranteed (3.9M) ? I'd take that on for 10 if we aren't resigning our bigs or getting Collins

I have him for three more years.

[Mr. Body]

I have him for three more years.

Scratch that, I guess two more years. I don't see why NOP would dump him then.

[lmbebo]

I have him for three more years.


Eric Bledsoe Contract, Salary Cap Details & Breakdowns | Spotrac (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-orleans-pelicans/eric-bledsoe-6900/)

[mo7888]

Scratch that, I guess two more years. I don't see why NOP would dump him then.

Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait

[Mr. Body]

Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait

So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?

[Degoat]

So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?

If it lands them Kyle Lowry or someone else that could help them win now in free agency, but it is a big gamble because what free agent wants to go to Nola lol

[mo7888]

So coughing up their lottery pick is what appeals to him?

He doesn't care about the lottery pick...he want them to add veterans (hence why they covet Lowry) and using the lottery pick to create cap space to do that appeals to him.

[Russ]

Because they are desperate to make Zion happy now...they don't think they can afford to wait

They'll never make Zion happy. He will leave. But at least they will remain desperate. :)

[mo7888]

They'll never make Zion happy. He will leave. But at least they will remain desperate. :)

Lol... I absolutely agree with that.... if it were 'me' I'd trade Zion and keep my pick..

[Mr. Body]

He doesn't care about the lottery pick...he want them to add veterans (hence why they covet Lowry) and using the lottery pick to create cap space to do that appeals to him.

They're not getting Kyle Lowry. So you're saying losing a high draft pick in a good draft to get rid of a veteran is what appeals to him?

[mo7888]

They're not getting Kyle Lowry. So you're saying losing a high draft pick in a good draft to get rid of a veteran is what appeals to him?

It does...

[Mr. Body]

It does...

Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.

[mo7888]

Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.

I have to admit...it really is awesome.... I hope you get to experience it someday...

[Chinook]

Must be cool knowing what Zion Williams wants. I suppose he specifically said he wants to trade Bledsoe to the Spurs.

He wants the Pelicans to be in win-now mode, according to reports. That doesn't mean moving 10 by itself, but getting cap space probably has value. I've seen deals like Murray for 10 amd Bledsoe though and I'd think that'd be something they'd rather do than just cap space.

[SAGirl]

I haven’t considered the possibility of trades even though we know there are teams interested bc it complicates projections a lot once a team is picking for a different one.

I just saw that some teams may want to trade into the back of the lottery therefore opening the possibility of pick swaps. Wanting to trade into the top 4 is obvious, but I don’t think the teams picking there would trade out without a star being on the table.

But the back of the lottery has a lot of rumors. I do see a few pick swaps possibly with players attached.

[objective]

I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10

[SAGirl]

The comments I saw aren’t of that nature.

They are more from teams that have guys coming up for extensions they don’t want to pay and they’d rather get an asset if a guy they like is on the table. More like the Spurs trading Hill for 15 back in the day but if you were to add a pick swap. Like a Grayson Allen and 17 for a low lotto pick just bc you don’t think you’ll reup Grayson Allen and he’s a proven shooter that might interest somebody who wants to trade down. I mean I don’t know if any of these happens, but I saw it suggested and hadn’t considered it. I thought I’d mention it. Grizzlies have made moves every summer and like to trade. They might want to get a specific guy in the back of the lottery for example.

___________
For the Spurs, I don’t think they move Murray for 10 even. I think the offers were there to move into the top 4 to get a stud and that’s unlikely to happen.

The Spurs are likely to get someone from a list of players they like anyways at 12.

[TD 21]

I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10

Yeah. The Spurs could throw in Walker IV to balance it out.

Again, I'll believe them taking advantage of a Kings, Pelicans, etc. and attaining draft capital when I see it though.

[MemphisGirl]

The comments I saw aren’t of that nature.

They are more from teams that have guys coming up for extensions they don’t want to pay and they’d rather get an asset if a guy they like is on the table. More like the Spurs trading Hill for 15 back in the day but if you were to add a pick swap. Like a Grayson Allen and 17 for a low lotto pick just bc you don’t think you’ll reup Grayson Allen and he’s a proven shooter that might interest somebody who wants to trade down. I mean I don’t know if any of these happens, but I saw it suggested and hadn’t considered it. I thought I’d mention it. Grizzlies have made moves every summer and like to trade. They might want to get a specific guy in the back of the lottery for example.

___________
For the Spurs, I don’t think they move Murray for 10 even. I think the offers were there to move into the top 4 to get a stud and that’s unlikely to happen.

The Spurs are likely to get someone from a list of players they like anyways at 12.

Couldn't you just imagine what it would be like to bag Grayson?

[Uriel]

Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?

[pad300]

Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?

Bruno Caboclo?

[Kurik]

Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?

Bruno Caboclo, 2014. Most people had him as a late second round pick and was selected 20th.

[Chinook]

Random question, but several years back, Toronto had a pick (I can’t remember if it was in the teens or the 20’s), but whoever they drafted then was widely considered by people to be a big reach. Does anyone remember that and who the pick was?

There are two distinct times you could be referring to, actually. In 2014, the Raptors took Bruno Cabocalo at 20. They'd promised to pick in him the second round but got spooked he'd get snatched up before that so took him early. Two years later, they took Pascal Siakam at 27, which puzzled a lot of folks who'd come to believe Ujuri was a risky and bad drafter. One worked, one didn't.

[Chinook]

I doubt N.O. would move 10 just to dump guaranteed $22 million. They could stretch waive over 5 seasons.

Boston gave up 16 to get off like $30 million from kemba to horford on top of saving money in the 20/21 calendar year.

Unless Zion is super tight with Lonnie then I don't see it. I wouldn't want Murray given up for 10

I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.

[objective]

I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.

I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.

[Russ]

I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray,

Absolute truth. I read no further.

[duncan2150]

I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.


+1

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.

The point of trading is to make the team better. Even though Murray may be better than 10, if 10 balances the team better the team will improve.

[alfahdlan]

Say;
Murray > Bledsoe, but

Murray ? Bledsoe + Giddey or Sengun

plus we have #12

[duncan2150]

Say;
Murray > Bledsoe, but

Murray ? Bledsoe + Giddey or Sengun

plus we have #12

depends on what you do with bledsoe, if he is just a salary in this trade that's pretty bad.

Then it will be Giddey or Sengun for Murray and you have a 3 years contract of an average bledsoe...

[duncan2150]

The point of trading is to make the team better. Even though Murray may be better than 10, if 10 balances the team better the team will improve.


you don't improve the team level by trading murray for a 10 pick imo and this team needs talent. maybe you're right, the team chemistry could be better but the team still average.

I will use Murray for a more sure thing.

[mo7888]

depends on what you do with bledsoe, if he is just a salary in this trade that's pretty bad.

Then it will be Giddey or Sengun for Murray and you have a 3 years contract of an average bledsoe...

1 year for Bledsoe then a partial guarantee in year 2.

[The Truth #6]

I think they’re still a few years away from doing trades for asset building. I think they’re still trying to build/maintain a family environment with their players. So DDR will likely either walk or we resign him. Hopefully, he walks. But if his market is dry, then that actually increases the chances of us resigning him if the price is something the FO likes. Hopefully not.

[duncan2150]

1 year for Bledsoe then a partial guarantee in year 2.


thanks mo

that doe'not change my point, if bledsoe is just a salary that's a bad deal for me.

[CGD]

That Bledsoe contract is pretty nasty.

Hmm, not sure it’s THAT nasty. Looks to be 18M next year and about the same following year but only partially guaranteed.

[Eaglenole2002]

Bledsoe’s partial guarantee for 2022-23 is only $3.9M.

[CGD]

I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.

I agree with this. Murray + cap space relief for Bledsoe’s contract and 10 is a no brainer to me.

I suspect Bledsoe may even have some value at the trade deadline, and perhaps his agent will be motivated in trying to get him out of SA to help that along.

[CGD]

I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.

I don’t know man. The moment has passed.

Let me be clear, i really like DJ but the franchise is about to enter uncharted waters. This doesnt feel like a “we’re a piece away from contending” world, but a “3 year retool” one (if we’re lucky).

And so, the Spurs need to start making hard decisions around some of the older “young guys.” One of those decisions is “White or Murray.” Both are on great cost/years controlled contract for an interested suitor. A move like this maximizes value for Murray, even if it means deal with Bledsoe for a year.

[Mr. Body]

Man, New Orleans would kill a baby to get a rising young guard PLUS Casio relief for one day pick. What are you people thinking?

[rankingtear]

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[Dejounte]

Who do the Grizzlies want? Franz Wagner?

[bluebellmaniac]

4 Days until the Draft!

[CGD]

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It’s salary dump, but NOLA wants to keep some value so the pick swap makes sense for them.

Gotta think Spurs can do better for 10…

[Dejounte]

Grizzlies had cap space?

[mo7888]

Grizzlies had cap space?

If they decline Winslow I believe they do..

[SAGirl]

I don't know if that site is reputable but I told you the Grizzlies were looking to move up. My suspicion is that they want Wagner, but there could be someone else like a Moody for example.

[duncan2150]

Grizzlies had cap space?

They could have a little Bit more than 20 millions.

So the grizz would give a pick 17 for bledsoe + pick 10 but the spurs should offer Murray ?

I think that's the difference between a good and a bad deal.

[lmbebo]

They could have a little Bit more than 20 millions.

So the grizz would give a pick 17 for bledsoe + pick 10 but the spurs should offer Murray ?

I think that's the difference between a good and a bad deal.

Why give up Murray for the 10th pick and Bledsoe?

[K...]

Why give up Murray for the 10th pick and Bledsoe?

to prevent future cap problems, to invest in other ball handling prospects, to get another cost controlled prospect with higher upside. Murray as our best player is the very definition of a treadmill team.

[rankingtear]

Who do the Grizzlies want? Franz Wagner?

Grizz are analytics driven drafters. So Wagner, Davion, Kispert, Duarte maybe Sengun.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn't Wagner overlap with Jackson way too much?

[Mr. Body]

Clearly the Grizz seem to think the player(s) they want are gone by 17.

[duncan2150]

Why give up Murray for the 10th pick and Bledsoe?


that's the discussion today in this topic and i'm against....

[objective]

that's the discussion today in this topic and i'm against....

Exactly.

If Bledsoe + 10 = 17 straight up ....

Would Spurs fans want to trade Murray for 17? I sure as hell wouldn't

If dropping 7 spots for 22 million in savings is possible, then maybe taking 8.5 million in Delon Wright off the King's hands to give them more caproom to keep Holmes is doable in a 9 & 12 swap.

[Degoat]

I don’t think the spurs move up in this draft since picks 7-16 are all so close together talent wise, I could maybe see them trading back but even that’s unlikely imo, they’ll select whoever their guy is at 12

[Mr. Body]

I don’t think the spurs move up in this draft since picks 7-16 are all so close together talent wise, I could maybe see them trading back but even that’s unlikely imo, they’ll select whoever their guy is at 12

Good teams trading up suggest the better pllayers will be gone by the Spurs' pick.

[Degoat]

Good teams trading up suggest the better pllayers will be gone by the Spurs' pick.

ehhh I don’t know about that, grizzlies aren’t that great of a team. They probably just want someone who could help them now like Wagner or Duarte

[Mr. Body]

ehhh I don’t know about that, grizzlies aren’t that great of a team. They probably just want someone who could help them now like Wagner or Duarte

I don't know what you think I meant. They're a team that drafts very well.

[GAustex]

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Bledsoe getting passed around like a nba groupie

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Big workout in Golden State today with Chris Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, and Davion Mitchell in for a competitive workout. Results of the workout could very well play a role in who they end up selecting at No. 14.

[Eaglenole2002]

Per Givony…

Big workout in Golden State today with Chris Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, and Davion Mitchell in for a competitive workout. Results of the workout could very well play a role in who they end up selecting at No. 14.

Doh. Someone beat me to it.

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[SAGirl]

Doesn't Wagner overlap with Jackson way too much?
They think Wagner is a big wing that may play some 3 for them and I suspect they want to transition Jaren eventually to center. He's been awful there when I have watched him let me be clear but he's only 21 and he came in still growing and very undeveloped in some areas if his game.

I obviously have no sure inside or anything, just comments I have seen on twitter and from some of the Grizzlies media. The target could also be Moody, or here I am speculating but I think it would help that team one of the guards who has scoring and self-creation potential in this draft. I do think a large wing is a priority bc they are undersized in the wing department - outside of Anderson who they may want to trade or in any event has played well as a 4 for them, they have a lot of small guards/wings.

I definitely think a large wing is in their sights.

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New mock draft up on ESPN today, with quite a bit of intel from around the league on how the draft is shaping up, four days before things get going at the Barclays Center: espn.com/nba/insider/st… (https://t.co/VEdy8p5uV6)


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NBA teams point to Sacramento (No. 9), New Orleans (No. 10) and Indiana (13) as the "most available" picks in the lottery. All are looking for immediate contributors. New Orleans may look to shed salary to pursue free agents, sources say. New ESPN mock: espn.com/nba/insider/st…

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Memphis (No. 17), Oklahoma City (16+18), New York (19+21), and Houston (23+24) are some of the teams NBA executives think will be the most active on draft day exploring moving up. Memphis and New Orleans look like potential trade partners. New ESPN mock: espn.com/nba/insider/st…

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[John B]

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Big workout in Golden State today with Chris Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, and Davion Mitchell in for a competitive workout. Results of the workout could very well play a role in who they end up selecting at No. 14.

Spurs need to get that #14 for Duarte. I want him for my starting SG

[R. DeMurre]

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Big workout in Golden State today with Chris Duarte, Trey Murphy, Moses Moody, and Davion Mitchell in for a competitive workout. Results of the workout could very well play a role in who they end up selecting at No. 14.

Duarte & Murphy are actually on their second workouts for them:
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-rumors-warriors-chris-192607083.html

[SAGirl]

I don’t think the spurs move up in this draft since picks 7-16 are all so close together talent wise, I could maybe see them trading back but even that’s unlikely imo, they’ll select whoever their guy is at 12
Problem for projecting a trade for the Spurs vs Grizzlies is that the Spurs need talent in a lot of areas and could benefit from a variety of players that may fall to them.

I do believe they offered White and Murray (whoever has more value, people ignore the rumor included White), for a high upside pick, someone they believe will be a franchise player, but is anyone giving the Spurs that? Heck the may well think that if the Spurs want him that's all the more reason to hold on to him. Murray and White aren't worth a potential franchise player. So that, to me, kills the Spurs rumors.

OTOH, the Grizzlies have a better idea of who they want because they are looking for an upgrade in a specific area and aren't being as ambitious as fishing for a star. They want a specific guy they believe will be snatched by 17, possibly even by the Spurs, (or GSW with their 14th if they keep it) so they are kind of easier to predict and expect they will get a deal done.

[R. DeMurre]

I've been really impressed watching vids of Jason Preston from Ohio-- he has insane court vision & passing chops to go with a line of 15.7/7.3/7.3.... one mock has Milwaukee grabbing him at #31. Most mocks have him solidly in the 2nd round, but one outlier has him going 10th: https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/07/19/nba-draft-similarities-jason-preston-rod-strickland/
That'll be an impressive call if he pans out.

[SAGirl]

On Duarte: it would be foolish to discount him over age. He had a different path to the NBA. Has spurs ethic all over him. Not bc of the Spanish, but international player, shooting (which they need), humble and grateful for the opportunity plus hungry to prove himself.

May turn out better than many potentials kind of like Derrick White who is similar in some respects and how they came in older and had to earn it.

[duncan2150]

I do believe they offered White and Murray (whoever has more value, people ignore the rumor included White), for a high upside pick, someone they believe will be a franchise player, but is anyone giving the Spurs that? Heck the may well think that if the Spurs want him that's all the more reason to hold on to him. Murray and White aren't worth a potential franchise player. So that, to me, kills the Spurs rumors.

.

The problem is that the high upside is a top 5-6 in this draft. After that moving up some spots by giving Murray or white does notre worth it imo.

[TD 21]

:lmao At all these rumors flying today about the usual suspects from the most connected insiders in the industry and not a mention of the team that's in arguably the worst short/long term position in the league, with virtually unmatched flexibility. Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Do these comatose idiots have any intention of ever doing anything outside of their usual shtick and do they really think that's going to turn them into a good team again?

I don't even care so much what they do anymore, just that they do something. One time, be aggressive, pick a direction, act like they're actually in the league and not operating in their own bubble.

[Degoat]

:lmao At all these rumors flying today about the usual suspects from the most connected insiders in the industry and not a mention of the team that's in arguably the worst short/long term position in the league, with virtually unmatched flexibility. Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Do these comatose idiots have any intention of ever doing anything outside of their usual shtick and do they really think that's going to turn them into a good team again?

I don't even care so much what they do anymore, just that they do something. One time, be aggressive, pick a direction, act like they're actually in the league and not operating in their own bubble.

I feel the same tbh show the fan base that your at least trying to make moves even if it’s a risk

[mo7888]

:lmao At all these rumors flying today about the usual suspects from the most connected insiders in the industry and not a mention of the team that's in arguably the worst short/long term position in the league, with virtually unmatched flexibility. Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Do these comatose idiots have any intention of ever doing anything outside of their usual shtick and do they really think that's going to turn them into a good team again?

I don't even care so much what they do anymore, just that they do something. One time, be aggressive, pick a direction, act like they're actually in the league and not operating in their own bubble.

Yep, I just want to see us pick a direction...it doesn't even need to be the direction I think is best...just show us they give a damn and pick one..

[slick'81]

:lmao At all these rumors flying today about the usual suspects from the most connected insiders in the industry and not a mention of the team that's in arguably the worst short/long term position in the league, with virtually unmatched flexibility. Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Do these comatose idiots have any intention of ever doing anything outside of their usual shtick and do they really think that's going to turn them into a good team again?

I don't even care so much what they do anymore, just that they do something. One time, be aggressive, pick a direction, act like they're actually in the league and not operating in their own bubble.


Do we really exoect anything else? They will stay pat as far as trades unkess it involves derozan(hopefully) draft at 12 , and then lets see what fa brings

[The Truth #6]

I've been really impressed watching vids of Jason Preston from Ohio-- he has insane court vision & passing chops to go with a line of 15.7/7.3/7.3.... one mock has Milwaukee grabbing him at #31. Most mocks have him solidly in the 2nd round, but one outlier has him going 10th: https://sircharlesincharge.com/2021/07/19/nba-draft-similarities-jason-preston-rod-strickland/
That'll be an impressive call if he pans out.

I've seen his videos. Crazy, amazing vision. I think his lack of athleticism is the main thing, and maybe poor shooting mechanics. He's sort of like a poor man's Lamelo...they even have similar hair styles?

[Dejounte]

Yep, I just want to see us pick a direction...it doesn't even need to be the direction I think is best...just show us they give a damn and pick one..

and as far as we know, this summer was what they found as the time most apt to make moves.

im not going to pretend to know that they will make moves

but i think it’s a little premature to say otherwise

its weird to be upset over the team not being part of the rumor mill. Not exactly a proud honor.

everything points to a somewhat eventful summer. Let’s wait and see before we react.

and it doesnt mean that draft night has to be busy for the Spurs. Maybe scouting suggests theyll get the guy they want regardless of trades.

[objective]

I'm not too worried about the Spurs making moves or choosing a direction YET

I feel the best they could do rumor wise is if on the verge of free agency Woj or Shams came out and said that Gay, Mills, DeRozan, and Lyles were not expected back.

That would make me happy as far as a direction goes.

[mo7888]

and as far as we know, this summer was what they found as the time most apt to make moves.

im not going to pretend to know that they will make moves

but i think it’s a little premature to say otherwise

its weird to be upset over the team not being part of the rumor mill. Not exactly a proud honor.

everything points to a somewhat eventful summer. Let’s wait and see before we react.

and it doesnt mean that draft night has to be busy for the Spurs. Maybe scouting suggests theyll get the guy they want regardless of trades.

I'm not upset with us 'not' being apart of the rumor mill.... I also will admit that their plan all along could have been to wait until this summer to start making moves.... and if they do then that theory will play our before us... up until this point they've been inactive but, I concede that could have been the plan...we'll all know for sure over the next few weeks...

[Mr. Body]

It's not in the Spurs' nature to make big, splashy moves. Memphis has been killing with high draft picks and they are exactly where we are. New Orleans has been making head-turning signings and trades and they're worse than we are. Every indication shows that DDR is moving on. And every indication is that the Spurs will not be a free agent destination for anyone. They'll keep everything close to the vest, be conservative with movements, and keep their draft picks.

[Thomas82]

Yep, I just want to see us pick a direction...it doesn't even need to be the direction I think is best...just show us they give a damn and pick one..

+1

[TD 21]

:lmao At at franchise that made the most embarrassing "trade" in NBA history, has refused to re-build 3 years into when they should have started (their best player is 27, injury prone and not close to stardom), refuses to utilize various avenues to attempt to improve themselves, doesn't communicate with their fans, rests on their laurels, is archaic and still has people making excuses for them . . .

We've seen their act many times; we all more or less know what's coming. At what point do they get held accountable and why are they less a part of NBA discourse nationally than any other team? Again, spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

[Mr. Body]

:lmao At at franchise that made the most embarrassing "trade" in NBA history, has refused to re-build 3 years into when they should have started (their best player is 27, injury prone and not close to stardom), refuses to utilize various avenues to attempt to improve themselves, doesn't communicate with their fans, rests on their laurels, is archaic and still has people making excuses for them . . .

We've seen their act many times; we all more or less know what's coming. At what point do they get held accountable and why are they less a part of NBA discourse nationally than any other team? Again, spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Why do people continue to spout off this bullshit?

[Ocotillo]

This is putting the cart before the horse but some of these guys that have potential are going to go to teams that have minimal patience and poor developmental staff and could turn into gems down the road when they are cut or traded.

[Mr. Body]

Haven't been paying attention. Any 6' 7" players without shoes with long arms and hands? And weights 225ish? Someone give me the players.

Why do you not want them to have shoes?

[tonight...you]

Why do you not want them to have shoes?
He thought he wandered onto a dating site.

[R. DeMurre]

I've seen his videos. Crazy, amazing vision. I think his lack of athleticism is the main thing, and maybe poor shooting mechanics. He's sort of like a poor man's Lamelo...they even have similar hair styles?


:lol Yeah, it looks like he shares a barber with Lamelo for sure! Athleticism was the alleged rap, but then he posted the 5th best lane agility time at the combine, the 11th best shuttle run time, and a 38.5" vertical... so his showing there was better than expected. I agree, his 3pt shot is funny-- it looks "pushy" and kind of reminds me of a WNBA three, but it seems to work-- he's shot over 39% from there two years in a row. I really like him as a sleeper. If he's just a tier below Lamelo & Haliburton and available in the 2nd round, some team might be getting a real steal. One mock has Milwaukee picking him at #31, which would be an amazing opportunity for him.

[Mr. Body]

He thought he wandered onto a dating site.

The Quentin Tarantino of basketball analysis?

[PhantomDashCam]

NBADraft.net and Tankathon both updated their mocks...

- Top Five starting to firm with Scottie now seemingly locked into Orlando at #5
- Both have Franz Wagner at #8 to Orlando
- Both have Corey Kispert to Washington at #15
- Both have Duarte to Grizzlies at #17 (which has been rumored to go to NO)
- Both have Jalen Johnson going in the lottery

[Mr. Body]

Per Givony, Houston can't get Evan Mobley or Jalen Suggs in for a workout. Sheesh. As much as y'all bitch and complain about this franchise...

[tonight...you]

The Quentin Tarantino of basketball analysis?
Lol! Hey, some people just like feet.
And long appendages.

I'm not here to judge.

Publicly.

[R. DeMurre]

NBADraft.net and Tankathon both updated their mocks...

- Top Five starting to firm with Scottie now seemingly locked into Orlando at #5
- Both have Franz Wagner at #8 to Orlando
- Both have Corey Kispert to Washington at #15
- Both have Duarte to Grizzlies at #17 (which has been rumored to go to NO)
- Both have Jalen Johnson going in the lottery

The idea of pairing Wagner with Jonathan Issac is a nice thought-- I can see why Orlando would be looking at that.
The biggest riser in the last few weeks has been Bouknight, whose aggression I love but whose 3pt shooting and relatively anemic assist numbers scare me off a little.
I like that Jason Preston has risen to the top of the 2nd round in lots of places. He might be my favorite sleeper.

Just a note: The last few times I checked in on NBADraft.net, I got a malware warning from my antivirus app, saying it had blocked an infection.

[alfahdlan]

NBADraft.net and Tankathon both updated their mocks...

- Top Five starting to firm with Scottie now seemingly locked into Orlando at #5
- Both have Franz Wagner at #8 to Orlando
- Both have Corey Kispert to Washington at #15
- Both have Duarte to Grizzlies at #17 (which has been rumored to go to NO)
- Both have Jalen Johnson going in the lottery

me thinks GSW wants a Shaun Livingston type of PG to relieve Curry and Draymond playmaking. Maybe Josh Giddey, Franz Wagner, j. Johnson ?, or Herb Jones in 2nd Round.

[The Truth #6]

:lol Yeah, it looks like he shares a barber with Lamelo for sure! Athleticism was the alleged rap, but then he posted the 5th best lane agility time at the combine, the 11th best shuttle run time, and a 38.5" vertical... so his showing there was better than expected. I agree, his 3pt shot is funny-- it looks "pushy" and kind of reminds me of a WNBA three, but it seems to work-- he's shot over 39% from there two years in a row. I really like him as a sleeper. If he's just a tier below Lamelo & Haliburton and available in the 2nd round, some team might be getting a real steal. One mock has Milwaukee picking him at #31, which would be an amazing opportunity for him.

Damn. Seriously? That's impressive. Maybe it was his poor defense that was the other part of the knock on him? But if his combine numbers are that good, I wonder if he just needs better coaching and motivation to play defense? Hmm. I'd definitely consider him in the second round, though he may be gone before 41.

[R. DeMurre]

me thinks GSW wants a Shaun Livingston type of PG to relieve Curry and Draymond playmaking. Maybe Josh Giddey, Franz Wagner, j. Johnson ?, or Herb Jones in 2nd Round.

Livingston & Iguodala didn't get a ton of credit back in '15 & '16, but now that Golden State is still trying to find their replacements, it's obvious that it's no easy task.

[The Truth #6]

Thinking out loud here. What players are rumored to go high in the draft that I would like to see get picked before we do, so as to ensure, you know, that better players are still available for us? Basically, I'm thinking of picks 8 - 11. Just my opinions.

Davion Mitchell
Kispert
Keon Johnson
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones


If just a few do go early, then the possibility of: Franz, Moody, Giddey, Sengun is still possible for us.

Anyway...

[PhantomDashCam]

The idea of pairing Wagner with Jonathan Issac is a nice thought-- I can see why Orlando would be looking at that.
The biggest riser in the last few weeks has been Bouknight, whose aggression I love but whose 3pt shooting and relatively anemic assist numbers scare me off a little.
I like that Jason Preston has risen to the top of the 2nd round in lots of places. He might be my favorite sleeper.

Just a note: The last few times I checked in on NBADraft.net, I got a malware warning from my antivirus app, saying it had blocked an infection.

Damn...Sounds like I may have got Jalen Johnson-ed. My computer said they're "Not really red flags" here and I went in. :lol

Jason Preston seems like a great pick if can make it to #41. Everything I've seen and read leaves me to believe he'll find a way to contribute at the next level.
Spurs love those Combine studs too...

Bouknight, while undeniably talented, seems anti-Spur to me. I think if he went to a team with respected vets, a clear hierarchy, I think he could do well.
We'll see.

[The Truth #6]

Per Givony, Houston can't get Evan Mobley or Jalen Suggs in for a workout. Sheesh. As much as y'all bitch and complain about this franchise...

Wow. Maybe that's why they are higher on Green? He'll return their phone calls.

[SAGirl]

Per Givony, Houston can't get Evan Mobley or Jalen Suggs in for a workout. Sheesh. As much as y'all bitch and complain about this franchise...
I saw that. It goes with the recurring theme of guys wanting to depress their own ranking to go where they want. I mentioned the rumors with Haliburton last year and posted an article about it. It seems to be somewhat common.

[bluebellmaniac]

3 Days until the Draft!

[rankingtear]

Bill Simmons podcast. KOC seem to think it is Franz, Giddey and Sengun as our favorites. They settled on Garuba since all three are taken on the pod. Playmaking on the frontcourt basically.

[Degoat]

Bill Simmons podcast. KOC seem to think it is Franz, Giddey and Sengun as our favorites. They settled on Garuba since all three are taken on the pod. Playmaking on the frontcourt basically.

I definitely agree with Franz, Giddey, and Sengun, those guys provide upside and much needed size for the spurs. I wouldn’t hate Usman Garuba but I think he’d be better on a playoff team

[Mr. Body]

Bill Simmons podcast. KOC seem to think it is Franz, Giddey and Sengun as our favorites. They settled on Garuba since all three are taken on the pod. Playmaking on the frontcourt basically.

Those are the three players I have any real interest in. Failing to get one, I'd want to trade down, but don't think the front office knows how. Garuba would be a disappointment and would just be more spinning the wheels.

[SAGirl]

I've been watching more of Tennessee to get a better handle on Keon Johnson. I continue to like him. He's raw, needs a year in the G League and he may never pan out but he is a great athlete with star potential.

But, surprisingly, the player who caught my eye even more is Johnson's teammate Jaden Springer. I know Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) doesn't want to hear about a 6-foot-4 combo guard but Springer is legitimately really intriguing. IIRC, he's the youngest American in the draft. He's 6-foot-4, built like Keldon Johnson and already understands how to use that strength to his advantage. Very good footwork. Shooting stroke isn't the best but he shot 81% at the line and 43.5% on threes, so tough to complain. Defense is where he really shines. Add elite quickness to his strength and he's a terror one-on-one. Also really good team-wise.

Obviously, the Spurs don't exactly need yet another 6-foot-4 combo guard but Springer is legit. I think he has star upside at some point down the road. If his shooting turns out to be a fluke (which is possible), he could level off as a backup. But there's enough young Chauncey Billups in him that I'd be happy with the Spurs picking him at any spot after 10 or so.

As my guy TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) states, the Spurs don't have anyone good enough to worry about building around at this point. That's why I'd be happy with Springer even though there's no glaring need for him. Besides, he's so much younger than White that they wouldn't even really be in the same generation. Springer would be ready to roll once White is declining.

On the other side of the coin, the more I watch Scottie Barnes, the less I like. There's a sliver of hope that he figures it all out and becomes a star but there's also a really good chance that he's the next Ekpe Udoh. Udoh was billed as being able to defend every position and being such a good passer that you could ignore his offensively shortcomings. But it turned out he was such a non-factor on offense that you couldn't even put him on the court. Barnes could be in that same boat. He has really good defensive potential but I just don't see what he does on offense. Yeah, his passing looks good on the college level but, in the NBA, you have to be some sort of threat to be a good passer. Barnes' jumper looks broken, he has bad touch in the paint and he's not that amazing of an athlete. I could understand the Spurs gambling on Barnes at 14 or 15 but my expectations wouldn't be that high.

A lot of great points here. I haven't watched Scottie Barnes bc he's projected to be out of the Spurs range, he's been hyped and is unlikely to fall. A top lottery team will gamble on him.

It's actually a lot of wisdom in this post concerning the lack of value passing has if the player doesn't have gravity which caught my eye.

Also, I hope the Spurs attempt to balance the roster through FA. While they need size, they shouldn't restrict themselves to looking at bigs, specially if the ones that fall to them are such a high risk gamble that we are looking at Samanic-like levels of years of development required. By all.means some gambles are so flawed in some areas that unless the player improves upon the flaw you won't be able to play him without going on a big tankathon. Which is why again, the draft is for looking for future talent and potential.

I have adjusted my expectations as such. If they take a guard/wing I think a trade is in the near future and they will look to FA to balance the roster out. Which is a perfectly fine strategy of they aim to follow through. What would be disappointing is taking a guard and standing pat without making moves to add size in FA.

Having said this, the Spurs have worked out Sengun, Kai Jones, etc and may be looking at adding a big here, So we'll see.

[The Truth #6]

Garuba is a high end role player. I like him more than most but understand the blah feeling around him. I’m also warming up to Kispert at 12 because his combine numbers were much better than I expected. But I do think they are right that Garuba could be who we get. Not saying it’s the most likely but I won’t be surprised.

Edit: since December he’s supposedly been shooting in the high 30s from 3. Another article mentioned 84% free throws since April. I mean, he could be the ultimate 3/D guy.

[SAGirl]

Garuba is a high end role player. I like him more than most but understand the blah feeling around him. I’m also warming up to Kispert at 12 because his combine numbers were much better than I expected. But I do think they are right that Garuba could be who we get. Not saying it’s the most likely but I won’t be surprised.

Edit: since December he’s supposedly been shooting in the high 30s from 3. Another article mentioned 84% free throws since April. I mean, he could be the ultimate 3/D guy.
I hope they take someone offensively inclined. You may get an empty calories type unfortunately but also they need to gamble on some potential scoring talent IMO. They are already very defensively inclined and a lot of their scoring came from the vets (specially the shooting).I should probably look at this area next.

[Dejounte]

It doesnt matter what percentage Usman hits from deep, those shots were generated for him and on this Spurs team the problem is when our resident ball hogs go ISO over and over (Patty, Gay, DeMar). Someone with a lick of shot creating ability needs to take on those duties and Usman isn’t it.

ideally you find a player who can do both ISO and spot up 3s

[Mr. Body]

Garuba is a high end role player. I like him more than most but understand the blah feeling around him. I’m also warming up to Kispert at 12 because his combine numbers were much better than I expected. But I do think they are right that Garuba could be who we get. Not saying it’s the most likely but I won’t be surprised.

Edit: since December he’s supposedly been shooting in the high 30s from 3. Another article mentioned 84% free throws since April. I mean, he could be the ultimate 3/D guy.

Right. I forgot about Kispert. I'd take him before Garuba. I don't see where Garuba plays other than off the bench, while Kispert could start and actually provides something badly needed in shooting.

[PrimeMinister]

Dude Scottie Barnes is such a lock to be a contributor in some way, shape, or form in this league.

The defensive fundamentals and physical tools are too good not to translate immediately, and his handle is tight enough to create in transition off rebounds, steals, outlet passes from a center, whatever the case might be.

If the jumper doesn’t come around, you have a top tier glue guy, borderline all star that can defend and run in the open floor, do the dirty work and make the hustle plays winning teams need.

He’s not the MVP upside guy of this draft, and that’s why he’s projected to go number 5 instead of top 3. But the dude will contribute and if you watch his game tape, his lowlights, his highlights, and genuinely come to the conclusion that he will bust I question what you are seeing and what you are thinking.

[offset formation]

:lmao At all these rumors flying today about the usual suspects from the most connected insiders in the industry and not a mention of the team that's in arguably the worst short/long term position in the league, with virtually unmatched flexibility. Spare me the "CIA Pop" routine.

Do these comatose idiots have any intention of ever doing anything outside of their usual shtick and do they really think that's going to turn them into a good team again?

I don't even care so much what they do anymore, just that they do something. One time, be aggressive, pick a direction, act like they're actually in the league and not operating in their own bubble.

unnecessary if you value what a 20 yr old samanich brings to this team in the years ahead. if you think Luka is a star or superstar possibility, you're only looking to add smart, reliable, battle tested complimentary pieces.

Luka is clearly the one player that has the *possibility* to be that guy in 3 or 4 years.

if you don't think that's a possibility but maybe you think you can maybe get a potential future one in Sengun, then you stay the course.

if you don't see that in anyone, then yes, maybe you throw out the book on how the Spurs won 5 chips and start swinging wildly like a bunch of punch-drunk fools

[Dejounte]

With DeMar likely out

that’s a big event in and of itself

That points to increasing Vassells role on the team

and maybe whoever we select from this draft

or it could just be Lonnie who sees his usage go up

exciting times ahead

[SAGirl]

Sorts illustrated has the Spurs taking Kispert. I'd be fine with that. But that's above Giddey sengun Moses Moody and duarte. All prospects that I think Spurs would be higher on. SI also say they don't see Kispert sliding past the lottery So maybe they just slapped him here to fulfill a need. The Spurs can benefit from having him right away though so the guess is probably not too far off.
[Edit: with Demar scoring out, taking Kiert or any other player that can place points on the board is a safe pick.]

The ringer has the pelicans taking kispert while Moody giddey and duarte fall, but don't make it to 17, which is why the Grizzlies want to trade, So things aren't as predictable as all that but I can't see the Spurs taking Garuba. I may be disappointed if he's the pick I think.

[ginobilized]

With DeMar likely out

that’s a big event in and of itself

That points to increasing Vassells role on the team

and maybe whoever we select from this draft

or it could just be Lonnie who sees his usage go up

exciting times ahead

YES!!!!

I'd hope this moves KJ to the 3 spot and we add a decent 4 to round out the SL.

Vassell and Luka are due to get some burn. It is definitely more exciting than the last couple of seasons.

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YES!!!!

I'd hope this moves KJ to the 3 spot and we add a decent 4 to round out the SL.

Vassell and Luka are due to get some burn. It is definitely more exciting than the last couple of seasons.

it's why sengun is the piece the Spurs need. Imagine a Sengun, Luka, KJ, White, Dejouunte lineup.

That's *potentially* dynastic championship level stuff again.

*if Sengun develops an outside game
*if Luka turns the corner and becomes half of what he has the potential for

[bluebellmaniac]

it's why sengun is the piece the Spurs need. Imagine a Sengun, Luka, KJ, White, Dejouunte lineup.

That's *potentially* dynastic championship level stuff again.

*if Sengun develops an outside game
*if Luka turns the corner and becomes half of what he has the potential for

If only we all became half of our potential, it'd be an amazing world.

[The Truth #6]

I hope they take someone offensively inclined. You may get an empty calories type unfortunately but also they need to gamble on some potential scoring talent IMO. They are already very defensively inclined and a lot of their scoring came from the vets (specially the shooting).I should probably look at this area next.

I agree in general but not sure who will be available that fits that bill. The roster is already a mess. Sengun is my hope, as he can self create. Giddey can pass but may not be able to self create yet. Otherwise, you’re looking at maybe Duarte for his Harden-esque shooting and footwork on the perimeter, and hope some sanity is brought to the back court via trades, but drafting another guard and not making any trades sounds problematic, which is why I cooled on Springer, not because of the lack of talent.

I digress. But whoever we draft will have promise and questions.

Again, I’m warming up to Kispert as his combine numbers weren’t bad, and he finishes in transition surprisingly really well iirc, so he has more utility than Trey Murphy in my opinion.

As for Garuba, he may not fit this team, but until we get a creator, no one fits perfectly. I may not be summarizing Chinook’s philosophy well, but I agree with taking solid useful players as assets if nothing else, rather than roll the dice on blind upside, like, say, Kai Jones.

There’s what we want. There’s what we think the team will do. And there’s plenty of frustration. I’m just throwing around ideas.

[TD 21]

unnecessary if you value what a 20 yr old samanich brings to this team in the years ahead. if you think Luka is a star or superstar possibility, you're only looking to add smart, reliable, battle tested complimentary pieces.

Luka is clearly the one player that has the *possibility* to be that guy in 3 or 4 years.

if you don't think that's a possibility but maybe you think you can maybe get a potential future one in Sengun, then you stay the course.

if you don't see that in anyone, then yes, maybe you throw out the book on how the Spurs won 5 chips and start swinging wildly like a bunch of punch-drunk fools


it's why sengun is the piece the Spurs need. Imagine a Sengun, Luka, KJ, White, Dejouunte lineup.

That's *potentially* dynastic championship level stuff again.

*if Sengun develops an outside game
*if Luka turns the corner and becomes half of what he has the potential for

:lmao Given how serious an individual you come across as, I can only take these at face value. They're among the most absurd comments I've ever seen on this board, which is saying something.

The "book on how the Spurs won 5 chips" was to draft two all-timers #1 overall (no, it wasn't all them, but they were the primary reasons) and get lucky with 3 other Hall-of-Famers (yes, they had a hand in the development of Parker and Scumbag, but it's still luck to get players of that caliber where they got them).

[R. DeMurre]

Jonathan Givony tweeting today that Sacramento is being "extremely aggressive" trying to trade their pick and move up... interesting, as most of the speculation up until now has had them loving Franz Wagner, making him a promise, etc...

[mo7888]

Jonathan Givony tweeting today that Sacramento is being "extremely aggressive" trying to trade their pick and move up... interesting, as most of the speculation up until now has had them loving Franz Wagner, making him a promise, etc...

It could be the Intel coming out that Orlando is interest in taking Franz ahead of them.

[Mr. Body]

Jonathan Givony tweeting today that Sacramento is being "extremely aggressive" trying to trade their pick and move up... interesting, as most of the speculation up until now has had them loving Franz Wagner, making him a promise, etc...

It seems foolish to try to get into the top 5, to me, unless Suggs or Mobley are the targets and I don't think the Kings need Suggs. Maybe Barnes, if that's where they think he is. Trying to get over Orlando to get Wagner... I don't think that's Orlando's pick and moving just for Wagner doesn't seem smart. SI indicates Orlando may try to get out of the lottery, as they have a logjam of players.

[The Truth #6]

Agree about Suggs or Mobley. I like them the best. As for Sacramento and Orlando, it is weird. I’m still thinking smoke and mirrors.

[Degoat]

Chad Ford released some interesting intel he’s hearing. Said he thinks Ziaire could go #8, Trey Murphy could go to the kings at 9 if Wagner is gone, Kai looks like Charlottes pick at 11, and pacers really liked Kispert, Duarte, and Murphy

[Mr. Body]

Chad Ford released some interesting intel he’s hearing.

Fascinating. Thanks for telling us what it is.

[Degoat]

Fascinating. Thanks for telling us what it is.

I did… go look again

[Mr. Body]

Chad Ford released some interesting intel he’s hearing. Said he thinks Ziaire could go #8, Trey Murphy could go to the kings at 9, Kai looks like Charlottes pick at 11

Got it.

Those are bad picks. I'm not sure how plugged in he is. I can sort of see Ziaire that high. Seems like he's been having good workouts. Trey Murphy that high is a big mistake, IMO, and I think we've long suspected Jones goes to Charlotte and I wouldn't be surprised.

[rankingtear]

Davion worked out for SAS.

[Mr. Body]

Davion worked out for SAS.

Dejounte Murray trade confirmed.

[Kurik]

Mitchell would improve the team as a starting guard Day 1.

[Dejounte]

If Mitchell is anything like Jrue Holiday, he would instantly become my favorite player on the Spurs.

[John B]

Mitchell would improve the team as a starting guard Day 1.

If he can play like the other #45 Mitchell, yes

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:lmao Given how serious an individual you come across as, I can only take these at face value. They're among the most absurd comments I've ever seen on this board, which is saying something.



The "book on how the Spurs won 5 chips" was to draft two all-timers #1 overall (no, it wasn't all them, but they were the primary reasons) and get lucky with 3 other Hall-of-Famers (yes, they had a hand in the development of Parker and Scumbag, but it's still luck to get players of that caliber where they got them).

precisely,. *draft*

you want the Spurs to just do *something* by swinging for the fence in some unspecified and unserious way.

and I'm the absurd one? pot meet kettle shit

[exstatic]

Chad Ford released some interesting intel he’s hearing. Said he thinks Ziaire could go #8, Trey Murphy could go to the kings at 9 if Wagner is gone, Kai looks like Charlottes pick at 11, and pacers really liked Kispert, Duarte, and Murphy

That would be an amazing THREE breaks for us. Picking Ziaire #8 would be peak Orlando. :lol

[R. DeMurre]

If Orlando walks away from the draft with Kuminga and Ziaire, Jonathan Isaac should ask for a trade immediately. No point in wasting prime years going nowhere.

[SAGirl]

I agree in general but not sure who will be available that fits that bill. The roster is already a mess. Sengun is my hope, as he can self create. Giddey can pass but may not be able to self create yet. Otherwise, you’re looking at maybe Duarte for his Harden-esque shooting and footwork on the perimeter, and hope some sanity is brought to the back court via trades, but drafting another guard and not making any trades sounds problematic, which is why I cooled on Springer, not because of the lack of talent.

I digress. But whoever we draft will have promise and questions.

Again, I’m warming up to Kispert as his combine numbers weren’t bad, and he finishes in transition surprisingly really well iirc, so he has more utility than Trey Murphy in my opinion.

As for Garuba, he may not fit this team, but until we get a creator, no one fits perfectly. I may not be summarizing Chinook’s philosophy well, but I agree with taking solid useful players as assets if nothing else, rather than roll the dice on blind upside, like, say, Kai Jones.

There’s what we want. There’s what we think the team will do. And there’s plenty of frustration. I’m just throwing around ideas.
Yea Kispert is a better athlete than his body type would lead one to believe and also, he’s not one dimensional. He’s an incredible shooter but can make plays with the ball and get to the rim if he’s played close. I think he’s probably better than McDermott who is a great cutter and shooter, scorer but I don’t see enough as a guy who can ballhandle a little for you. Though if he’s added in FA I’d be thrilled, so all in all, I’d be fine.

Kispery may end up being a favorite bc the team is so starved for a true no conscience, ballsy shooter. Pop had too much love for Forbes, so maybe getting him a shooter who is not 6’2” and who is an athlete will change the offense a lot as I’d expect he would fall in love with such a shooter… He might call him the second coming of Larry Legend (considering Bryn Forbes was Steph Curry Part Deux), and he wanted Dejounte to be a better Chris Paul with shooting guard size and forward like rebounds! Lol

Damn I am already selling mysel on Kispert! :drunk:rollin:)

[SAGirl]

Chad Ford released some interesting intel he’s hearing. Said he thinks Ziaire could go #8, Trey Murphy could go to the kings at 9 if Wagner is gone, Kai looks like Charlottes pick at 11, and pacers really liked Kispert, Duarte, and Murphy
Wow the rumors with Wagner are real bc the intel is that Sacramento may take Murphy 3 if Wagner is gone… they really want a tall shooter. And aren’t the only one. Murphy may go higher overall than initially projected too.

[TD 21]

precisely,. *draft*

you want the Spurs to just do *something* by swinging for the fence in some unspecified and unserious way.

and I'm the absurd one? pot meet kettle shit

Now you're spinning like those idiot Trump supporters you so rightly and eloquently criticize.

I don't want them to just do something (I've detailed countless scenarios I'd either be fine with or could at least understand), I said if nothing else I'll take that over the usual relative inactivity. Anything to see a pulse.

They keep going the way they are, they're going to continue to have the lowest odds possible of building a sustainably good team with the assets and flexibility to pivot and improve beyond that.

[pad300]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747

Memphis and New Orlean trade
Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks
for
Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round (lakers)

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419757341667430410

Ah i don't like it as giddey is my favourite with sengun in that range.

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747

Memphis and New Orlean trade
Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks
for
Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round (lakers)

That'll change a few mock drafts..

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747

Memphis and New Orlean trade
Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks
for
Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round (lakers)

That feels pretty nice for Memphis. Bledsoe might help and I like Adams to play beefy down low. NOP doesn't give away a shit load just to get rid of those contracts. Real question is who Memphis is targeting at No. 10. Feel like it could be Wagner, but he might be gone. Who do they think will be there?

EDIT: Grizzlies are eating a lot of salary mostly for 7 slots. Huh.

[Cardinal]

That feels pretty nice for Memphis. Bledsoe might help and I like Adams to play beefy down low. NOP doesn't give away a shit load just to get rid of those contracts. Real question is who Memphis is targeting at No. 10. Feel like it could be Wagner, but he might be gone. Who do they think will be there?

EDIT: Grizzlies are eating a lot of salary mostly for 7 slots. Huh.

Memphis is apparently targeting Giddey at 10

[Dejounte]

Jonas gets passed around so much. I thought he was a good big every time I watched him.

it probably is Wagner for the Grizzlies.

[TD 21]

According to Givony, many in the league believe the Grizzlies are targeting Giddey.

I don't like it for the Grizzlies. As much as they need secondary play making, they need shooting and none of these players provide it.

Good move by the Pelicans to get a slightly better player/fit at C and free up the cap space to either retain Ball or upgrade at PG.

[Mr. Body]

ESPN (Givony/Woj) believes Memphis is targeting Josh Giddey. Sucks a little for Giddey, as that's not a great city to live in.

As far as the Spurs go, I think the impact is that we expected NOP to draft a shooter and now that spot is taken by Giddey. We'll never know if the Spurs liked him. As far as Sengun, no impact as this slot wasn't going to him. As for shooters, there was a chance NOP took Kispert or Moody there, if available.

[Cardinal]

It's going to be a real bummer if Wagner, Sengun, and Giddey are all off of the board when the Spurs pick. Looking increasingly likely that will happen.

[Mr. Body]

According to Givony, many in the league believe the Grizzlies are targeting Giddey.

I don't like it for the Grizzlies. As much as they need secondary play making, they need shooting and none of these players provide it.

Good move by the Pelicans to a slightly better player/fit at C and free up the cap space to either retain Ball or upgrade at PG.

I think the Pels did fantastic here. They dumped their worst mistakes/salaries, will still pick up a decent shooter at 17, and get a productive center who can stretch the floor for Zion. They can resign Ball or swing for Lowry, who I don't think goes there anyway. But honestly this makes them better. Still confused about Memphis.

[Mr. Body]

It's going to be a real bummer if Wagner, Sengun, and Giddey are all off of the board when the Spurs pick. Looking increasingly likely that will happen.

I kind of thought it already was going to happen. Giddey I saw as rising, Wagner was already tabbed to go by 10. The question is Sengun and I honestly don't know.

[TD 21]

I think the Pels did fantastic here. They dumped their worst mistakes/salaries, will still pick up a decent shooter at 17, and get a productive center who can stretch the floor for Zion. They can resign Ball or swing for Lowry, who I don't think goes there anyway. But honestly this makes them better. Still confused about Memphis.

Valanciunas can't really stretch the floor, but he's not the non shooter Adams is either.

Good point about 17. It's easier to pick someone like Murphy III or whoever in that range.

I guess the Grizzlies really like Giddey or whoever and maybe think the Lakers pick ends up closer to 20 than 30.

[mo7888]

Jonas gets passed around so much. I thought he was a good big every time I watched him.

it probably is Wagner for the Grizzlies.

I'd be stunned if Wagner is still on the board at 10

[duncan2150]

It's going to be a real bummer if Wagner, Sengun, and Giddey are all off of the board when the Spurs pick. Looking increasingly likely that will happen.


If after the top four plus barnes, bouknight and kuminga, the others selections are wagner , sengun and giddey in the top 10 that will be pretty bad for us. But we still have The choice between Moody and Jones wich is a good consolation.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1419756065625972747

Memphis and New Orlean trade
Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks
for
Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round (lakers)
I was coming in to post exactly this!!!

Memphis wheeling and dealing. I think they wanted Wagner but since he’s kept rising, the target to me is likely Moody. (Based on their GM gambling high 2 seasons ago trading for Winslow who didn’t pan out).

[exstatic]

That feels pretty nice for Memphis. Bledsoe might help and I like Adams to play beefy down low. NOP doesn't give away a shit load just to get rid of those contracts. Real question is who Memphis is targeting at No. 10. Feel like it could be Wagner, but he might be gone. Who do they think will be there?

EDIT: Grizzlies are eating a lot of salary mostly for 7 slots. Huh.

They also get a Lakers first rounder for 2022. Unless Le Brons leg falls off, that pick should convey.

[mo7888]

I was coming in to post exactly this!!!

Memphis wheeling and dealing. I think they wanted Wagner but since he’s kept rising, the target to me is likely Moody. (Based on their GM gambling high 2 seasons ago trading for Winslow who didn’t pan out).

Moody does seem like a better fit there than Giddey....also maybe they think they can bring in a few more fans to games since Moody is a razorback..

[EricB]

New Orleans killed Memphis with this.

[objective]

Yea Kispert is a better athlete than his body type would lead one to believe and also, he’s not one dimensional. He’s an incredible shooter but can make plays with the ball and get to the rim if he’s played close. I think he’s probably better than McDermott who is a great cutter and shooter, scorer but I don’t see enough as a guy who can ballhandle a little for you. Though if he’s added in FA I’d be thrilled, so all in all, I’d be fine.

Kispery may end up being a favorite bc the team is so starved for a true no conscience, ballsy shooter. Pop had too much love for Forbes, so maybe getting him a shooter who is not 6’2” and who is an athlete will change the offense a lot as I’d expect he would fall in love with such a shooter… He might call him the second coming of Larry Legend (considering Bryn Forbes was Steph Curry Part Deux), and he wanted Dejounte to be a better Chris Paul with shooting guard size and forward like rebounds! Lol

Damn I am already selling mysel on Kispert! :drunk:rollin:)

I have heard on some draft podcast or two that Kispert isn't exactly a no-conscience gunner and will hesitate if his shot's not falling. But that was just someone's opinion, I never watched enough to find out.

[Mr. Body]

They also get a Lakers first rounder for 2022. Unless Le Brons leg falls off, that pick should convey.

Yeah, but it's not worth much.

[Mr. Body]

I'm going with some others and say it's not Giddey they're after and bet it's Moody. I don't think secondary playmaking is something they want to get with their top lottery pick and it doesn't make sense. A defensive, shooting wing does. Plus he's playing in Arkansas so there's an automatic cultural fit (i.e. won't necessary want to leave).

[lmbebo]

I was coming in to post exactly this!!!

Memphis wheeling and dealing. I think they wanted Wagner but since he’s kept rising, the target to me is likely Moody. (Based on their GM gambling high 2 seasons ago trading for Winslow who didn’t pan out).


How does this help memphis outside of the 10th pick?

[Dejounte]

They are not done. They want to move up from 10.

[The Truth #6]

That would be an amazing THREE breaks for us. Picking Ziaire #8 would be peak Orlando. :lol

Exactly. We need some ridiculous risers to help our chances. I wasn't thinking Ziaire and Murphy were getting that kind of buzz. Amazing.

[Mr. Body]

How does this help memphis outside of the 10th pick?

Adams is a good anchor.

[mo7888]

Bledsoe not expected to remain in Memphis

Chris Haynes

[lmbebo]

So this NO/Memphis deal kills anything for a made up Lakers S&T for DDR...

At this point, unless a future pick is conveyed (if even possible?), I wouldn't do a ST with Lakers

[EasyMoney]

Spurs Interested in Moving Up to Top 10** - "Sources say the Spurs have angled to move up in the draft and into the top 10."


Latest mock from article has them taking kispert

[itzsoweezee]

Mitchell would be a huge mistake. Terrible measurements (pathetic wingspan) and it’s very possible he was productive last year simply because he was older than everyone

[objective]

Mitchell would be a huge mistake. Terrible measurements (pathetic wingspan) and it’s very possible he was productive last year simply because he was older than everyone

I agree. Played with other good guards, hid his flaws. Suspect shooter.

[Mr. Body]

Don't know what it would take for memphis to trade to even more. Some really think they're going for Giddey, who I've thought could go top seven or eight. Basically we need someone to swing on Jalen Johnson or Kai Jones, those types.

[mo7888]

Don't know what it would take for memphis to trade to even more. Some really think they're going for Giddey, who I've thought could go top seven or eight. Basically we need someone to swing on Jalen Johnson or Kai Jones, those types.

I think they are going to try and package JJJ + 10 to move up.... not sure anyone bites though..

[Mr. Body]

1. Pistons-Cade

2. Rockets-Green

3. Cavs-Mobley

4. Raptors-Suggs

5. Magic-Barnes

6. Thunder-Bouknight

7. Warriors- Kuminga

8. Magic-Sengun

9. Kings-Wagner

10. Grizzlies-Giddey


With the Warriors taking Kuminga for another team.

[duncan2150]

Don't know what it would take for memphis to trade to even more. Some really think they're going for Giddey, who I've thought could go top seven or eight. Basically we need someone to swing on Jalen Johnson or Kai Jones, those types.

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419777139394719744

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419769487369330694

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1419756947889397766

[Dex]

I feel like the Warriors are the most likely team for Memphis to try to trade up, but what could they offer them? I guess Bledsoe could be a decent bench piece for the Warriors but probably not the "veteran help" they are seeking and I'm not even sure how they make the numbers work.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419777139394719744

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419769487369330694

My gut is saying Wagner they want, but who knows. He's the guy you'd have to trade above Sacramento to get, for example. I also don't know what Memphis has to trade to get up there when teams are probably eyeing Warriors alread to get Kuminga.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1419757341667430410

Ah i don't like it as giddey is my favourite with sengun in that range.
I hadn't seen this b4 it's a big gamble by Memphis. Jonas was a big contributor to team success but not the future. They pick up a 1st and Adams for him, which is better than letting him expire and having to reup him In his 30s to a multi-year deal, or lose his production without replacing it. In that sense I like the move, but they will miss him.

I wouldn't have guessed their target was Giddey, bc they really liked Winslow and I think they are still looking for a big defensive wing, which Giddey won't be, but they may see Giddey as Anderson part deux, plus a little more athletic, and 9 years younger. Because Anderson is really good for them I can see Giddey fitting in. Still think Giddey's not the only possibility for them at that spot which is why they would be comfortable in this trade ahead of the draft. They like a number of guys that would be gone by 17th. If GSW wants Giddey though they have to draft him with 7th.

Spurs, Sengun is the man, and Kispert ... Maybe a big, or they take an upside swing we don't see coming... Well I don't know.lol

[Degoat]

Maybe I’m being delusional but it’s interesting that there isn’t any rumors/chatter with the spurs, last year there was a ton of noise that the spurs were up to something… maybe it’ll be different this year and there won’t be any noise but we make a move.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe I’m being delusional but it’s interesting that there isn’t any rumors/chatter with the spurs, last year there was a ton of noise that the spurs were up to something… maybe it’ll be different this year and there won’t be any noise but we make a move.

Wasn't last year's chatter made up entirely on this board? I've seen some murmurs that SA is looking to move up, like with Sports Illustrated.

[Degoat]

Wasn't last year's chatter made up entirely on this board? I've seen some murmurs that SA is looking to move up, like with Sports Illustrated.

There was a lot last year, Zach Lowe, the ringer, Keith smith we’re all saying the spurs were up to something if I recall correct

[SAGirl]

It's going to be a real bummer if Wagner, Sengun, and Giddey are all off of the board when the Spurs pick. Looking increasingly likely that will happen.
This is a real possibility. I think Sengun might be available but that's far from a sure thing. Giddey and Franz are gone though. One team or another ahead of them is grabbing them.

The Spurs has rumors they offered White and Murray in a trade. They haven't gained traction with a trade but if it happens it will be on draft night. I don't know if the Spurs have a horse in this race other than one of the top 5 which isn't getting traded for White or Murray. But we shall see on draft night. There are always deals that happen on draft night. Maybe they are comfortable with one of a number of possibilities that will be there at 12 though, and I think this is their modus operandi.