Brett Kavanaugh now under FBI investigation [Archive] - Page 5

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:26 PM

Is there a bill cosby rape thread that i can cross reference some of these posts?

Correct me if I am missing something:

1. Did Kavanaugh get accused by multiple women of the exact same crime?
2. Did the Bill Cosby accusers provide verifiable dates, times, and locations of the events so they could be verified?
3. Did Kavanaugh walk around in public telling jokes about how he attacked Ford?
4. Did the Cosby accusers file a police report instead of going to Sen. Feinstein?
5. Did the Cosby accusers allow Cosby to have his day in court?
6. Did the Cosby accusers ask that Cosby testify first and then they would testify and not let Cosby contest what they said?
7. Were the Cosby accusers willing to take the stand and be cross examined by an attorney to see if their testimony held up to scrutiny?

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 05:26 PM

The claim can't be proven or refuted with little or no detail after 35 years and is a classic he said she said. There is no risk to her.So you think she's lying about everything, CC?

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:30 PM

The studies I provided you, had you bothered to read them, show that we know victims of trauma will often not fully remember everything. Humans tend to forget small details.

So you are going to ignore the evidence that says humans can tell the truth about something and not remember all the details?

Studies consistently prove that memories are some of the worst evidence to rely on because people commonly mis-remember. Unfortunately, the whole case Ford has involves her memory and no verifiable facts. So that's fine if you want to hid behind her memory, but if she can't point to something verifiable like when and where it happened, then how can you expect people to believe the account? I'm sorry, but just claiming that she is a woman or that it happened is not enough in the real world. In an imaginary liberal world, maybe it's enough to convict and put in prison, but not in the real world.

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:32 PM

So you think she's lying about everything, CC?

It's entirely possible. And it's entirely possible she is telling the truth. But possibilities have nothing to do with it. Is it probable that it happened? There are no facts to back that up and she further called her allegations into question when she chose to go to Sen. Feinstein instead of the local Maryland police department.

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 05:36 PM

Christine Ford ‘Fell Off the Face of the Earth Socially’ After Alleged AssaultThose who knew her at the time described a change in her behavior around the time the alleged attack occurred. An unnamed male friend told the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/19/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh-allegations.html)that after the summer of the alleged attack, Ford, then known as Chrissy Blasey, “fell off the face of the earth socially.”

“All I remember is after my junior year thinking, ‘Where’s Chrissy Blasey?’” the source told the Times.

“She was the sort of person a lot of people paid attention to — she was a leader, she was great.

I was like, where did she go?”

Rather than attend parties, Ford disappeared.

Other former classmates described Ford as “universally well-liked,” “self-possessed,” “cheerful, affable, funny, and super smart.”

These accounts given to the Times support Ford’s own statements that she was “derailed” for years after the alleged assault.

Her life following high school centered around her academic research, and later her family.

Those who spoke to the Times about Ford in her adult life described her as “a friendly but kind of geeky scientist,”

“very meticulous with data,” and

“someone taken very seriously.”

https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/blasey-ford-disappeared-after-kavanaughs-alleged-assault.html

FBI investigators could ask Ford contemporaries to come forward with accounts like the above, but Trash and the Repugs don't want to know, don't want anybody to know.

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 05:37 PM

If she hasn't remembered after 35 years a little "gentle coaxing" won't recover her memory.

On the other hand, a little politically expedient "gentle coaching" appears to have been going on.

Because I find your positions in this thread particularly detestable, I'm going to take you to task here.

What is being described is disassociation. It is something extremely common in trauma victims -- INCLUDING men and women who are in the armed forces.

Frequently when extreme situations present themselves, the brain disengages as a way of preserving itself and the mental stability of the individual in question. This can result in complete cognitive impairment including a loss of sense of surroundings.

It is considered a relatively expected response to abnormal or traumatic situations.

Source: http://robertstclinic.co.nz/disassociation/

Furthermore, counseling and therapy have been shown to restore some or all of the memories associated with those events, and to provide restorative emotional and mental effects as well.

Source: http://www.isst-d.org/default.asp?contentID=52

By all means though, continue to bellow about things you've never studied and have absolutely no educational background or knowledge in. I wonder how you'd feel about facing a combat veteran and telling them they're a pussy for not remembering traumatic events they've experienced in the field and to just sack up and deal with it, or telling them how counseling won't help them. You're a sad person and I'm actually embarrassed for you, that you place politics above treating other people humanely and with compassion.

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 05:39 PM

Jim Gensheimer, a close friend of Christine Blasey Ford,

the Palo Alto University psychology professor who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her while both were in high school,

shared a chilling detail with the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-accuser-20180919-story.html):

Decades after Kavanaugh allegedly cornered Ford in a bedroom at a high school party,

she didn’t want to buy a home without a second exit from the master bedroom.

“Obviously, something happened that traumatized her so much that she’s afraid of being trapped,” Gensheimer told the Times.

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/19/17878968/christine-blasey-ford-brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 05:41 PM

It's entirely possible. And it's entirely possible she is telling the truth. But possibilities have nothing to do with it. Is it probable that it happened? There are no facts to back that up and she further called her allegations into question when she chose to go to Sen. Feinstein instead of the local Maryland police department.Makes sense if she doesn't care about a criminal prosecution.

Do you think she's lying about everything?

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 05:41 PM

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/407851-ronald-reagans-daughter-defends-kavanaugh-accuser-i-was

Ronald Reagan's daughter defends Kavanaugh accuser: "I was sexually assaulted and 'don't remember'"

INB4 Patti Davis gets called a liberal shill.

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:46 PM

Makes sense if she doesn't care about a criminal prosecution.

Do you think she's lying about everything?

I don't know, but her actions are done in such a political context that it deserves more scrutiny than you are giving it. Also, I find it fascinating because it is such a perfect story for the situation. It is a story that is realistic, but not provable at all. It's the perfect way to destroy someone's character without having to be burdened with proving it. That's not a little too convenient for you given the timing?

rmt

09-21-2018, 05:53 PM

Some of the responses in this thread truly astound me. How would any of you guys (or our husbands, fathers, brothers, sons) feel if you were alleged to attempted rape on so flimsy evidence and memories? This is purely political - 3 and a half decades later - it's preposterous. And I don't hear any sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of REAL evidence/rape kits sitting on shelves awaiting testing for lack of funding.

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2018/08/16/rape-kits-untested-backlog

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 05:53 PM

I don't know, but her actions are done in such a political context that it deserves more scrutiny than you are giving it.I'm all for the FBI's investigating her claims.

You aren't.

Go figure.

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:54 PM

Because I find your positions in this thread particularly detestable, I'm going to take you to task here.

What is being described is disassociation. It is something extremely common in trauma victims -- INCLUDING men and women who are in the armed forces.

Frequently when extreme situations present themselves, the brain disengages as a way of preserving itself and the mental stability of the individual in question. This can result in complete cognitive impairment including a loss of sense of surroundings.

It is considered a relatively expected response to abnormal or traumatic situations.

Source: http://robertstclinic.co.nz/disassociation/

Furthermore, counseling and therapy have been shown to restore some or all of the memories associated with those events, and to provide restorative emotional and mental effects as well.

Source: http://www.isst-d.org/default.asp?contentID=52

By all means though, continue to bellow about things you've never studied and have absolutely no educational background or knowledge in. I wonder how you'd feel about facing a combat veteran and telling them they're a pussy for not remembering traumatic events they've experienced in the field and to just sack up and deal with it, or telling them how counseling won't help them. You're a sad person and I'm actually embarrassed for you, that you place politics above treating other people humanely and with compassion.

Isn't it interesting that other similarly situated victims, from the girl abused by Roman Polansky, to the teenager abused by Kevin Spacey, to the many women raped by Harvey Weinstein can remember such basic details like where it happened, how it happened, when it happened, and the aftermath, and yet she can't and she didn't suffer harms nearly as traumatizing as those victims based on her allegations. And if memory is such a problem for her, how can we expect her memory to clearly identify Kavanaugh and essentially nothing else? Can't we at least said that it is just as possible her memory of Kavanaugh being the one is incorrect?

cd98

09-21-2018, 05:55 PM

I'm all for the FBI's investigating her claims.

You aren't.

Go figure.

The funny thing is that the first place the FBI goes is to her door and and asks her the same basic questions I continually highlight and she has no answers. You want the FBI, have them show up to the hearing on Monday and question her in front of the reporters and news cameras. Let's see if she can answer the basic questions that the FBI will have for her since she is unwilling to answer them for anyone else.

The FBI can question Kavanaugh in front of the cameras too. Let's go all in...but somehow I'll bet Ford will back out.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 05:57 PM

Trill Clinton

09-21-2018, 06:03 PM

Correct me if I am missing something:

1. Did Kavanaugh get accused by multiple women of the exact same crime?
2. Did the Bill Cosby accusers provide verifiable dates, times, and locations of the events so they could be verified?
3. Did Kavanaugh walk around in public telling jokes about how he attacked Ford?
4. Did the Cosby accusers file a police report instead of going to Sen. Feinstein?
5. Did the Cosby accusers allow Cosby to have his day in court?
6. Did the Cosby accusers ask that Cosby testify first and then they would testify and not let Cosby contest what they said?
7. Were the Cosby accusers willing to take the stand and be cross examined by an attorney to see if their testimony held up to scrutiny?

I never followed his case closely. However, I do believe when an outcry is made, whether it's 1 or several, we need to take it seriously and investigate.

rmt

09-21-2018, 06:05 PM

I never followed his case closely. However, I do believe when an outcry is made, whether it's 1 or several, we need to take it seriously and investigate.

So where's the taking seriously and investigation for the hundreds of thousands of REAL evidence/rape kits sitting on shelves?

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 06:06 PM

Isn't it interesting that other similarly situated victims, from the girl abused by Roman Polansky, to the teenager abused by Kevin Spacey, to the many women raped by Harvey Weinstein can remember such basic details like where it happened, how it happened, when it happened, and the aftermath, and yet she can't and she didn't suffer harms nearly as traumatizing as those victims based on her allegations.

So you're saying all those troops that have disassociation about war events and can't remember what happened in the field are lying, also? What about witnesses to horrific crimes?

Or maybe it's that human beings are different and respond to different stimuli, you know, differently? This isn't complicated -- it's Psych 101. It's high school psych. The fact that you compare all victims and try to make a claim that they should all have the same recollection is absolutely absurd. There is no way you're an attorney if you think that's how the memories of victims work. Good god. It's ridiculous to even read that kind of nonsense.

And if memory is such a problem for her, how can we expect her memory to clearly identify Kavanaugh and essentially nothing else?

Do you remember what you had for lunch 167 days ago? No? But I bet you remember the first time you broke a bone or the face of the first person you fell in love with.

Human memory doesn't work like a computer. It's selective in what it remembers. That doesn't mean all memories are inaccurate. I don't remember most of the college parties I went to but I definitely remember the girls I was crushing on while I was going to those parties. According to you, that means the girls never existed. Again -- your knowledge of human memory is inaccurate and doesn't hold up to empirical scrutiny (kind of ironic, because if you went to college you undoubtedly read information that contradicts what you're saying now, but can't apparently recall it :lol). If we subjected every victim of PTSD to this kind of interrogation, no witness with the above condition would ever be able to corroborate a murder they witnessed, or any kind of traumatic event. Yet they can, and do, every day. It's exceedingly common for victims of trauma to remember nothing about a particular evening that they were/a loved one was attacked and still be able to pick the perp out of a lineup or describe his face with vivid detail and accuracy to a sketch artist.

Again -- this doesn't mean that Dr. Ford is accurate in her claims. It doesn't mean Kavanaugh is 100% guilty. Or even 10% guilty. What it means is that this deserves an investigation before we put someone in the highest office in the land, and we should use science and empirical data to guide us on how to interpret this situation and decide if he is fit to be a judge.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 06:08 PM

So where's the taking seriously and investigation for the hundreds of thousands of REAL evidence/rape kits sitting on shelves?the state of Texas takes it seriously enough to let us pay for it with a kickstarter account

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/08/crowdfunding-Texas-rape-kit-testing-victoria-neave-wendy-davis/

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:08 PM

I never followed his case closely. However, I do believe when an outcry is made, whether it's 1 or several, we need to take it seriously and investigate.

I agree, but there should be basic facts provided so an investigation can be done. That happened in the Cosby cases, but has not happened in this allegation. Maybe she shows up Monday or Wednesday or whatever and fills in the holes.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:12 PM

So you're saying all those troops that have disassociation about war events and can't remember what happened in the field are lying, also? What about witnesses to horrific crimes?

Or maybe it's that human beings are different and respond to different stimuli, you know, differently? This isn't complicated -- it's Psych 101. It's high school psych. The fact that you compare all victims and try to make a claim that they should all have the same recollection is absolutely absurd. There is no way you're an attorney if you think that's how the memories of victims work. Good god. It's ridiculous to even read that kind of nonsense.

Do you remember what you had for lunch 167 days ago? No? But I bet you remember the first time you broke a bone or the face of the first person you fell in love with.

Human memory doesn't work like a computer. It's selective in what it remembers. That doesn't mean all memories are inaccurate. I don't remember most of the college parties I went to but I definitely remember the girls I was crushing on while I was going to those parties. According to you, that means the girls never existed. Again -- your knowledge of human memory is inaccurate and doesn't hold up to empirical scrutiny (kind of ironic, because if you went to college you undoubtedly read information that contradicts what you're saying now, but can't apparently recall it :lol. If we subjected every victim of PTSD to this kind of interrogation, no witness with the above condition would ever be able to corroborate a murder they witnessed, or any kind of traumatic event. Yet they can, and do, every day. It's exceedingly common for victims of trauma to remember nothing about a particular evening that they were/a loved one was attacked and still be able to pick the perp out of a lineup or describe his face with vivid detail and accuracy to a sketch artist.

Again -- this doesn't mean that Dr. Ford is accurate in her claims. It doesn't mean Kavanaugh is 100% guilty. Or even 10% guilty. What it means is that this deserves an investigation before we put someone in the highest office in the land, and we should use science and empirical data to guide us on how to interpret this situation and decide if he is fit to be a judge.

I don't think I'm saying anything about PTSD. And I don't think Ford has claimed she had PTSD either. We don't know if her unwillingness to provide key information is because she suffers a memory loss or is intentional. I'm assuming you have not evaluated her and you are only assuming that she is suffering some kind of memory loss from PTSD. You have no verifiable proof that any of this happened, therefore you have no proof whether she is suffering memory loss or lying. That's the same quandary we are all in, unfortunately, when it comes to this allegation.

How can the FBI or anyone investigate a 35 year old crime when the accuser cannot tell us where it happened, who's house it was (there were only 4 people there), how she got there, where she went after, nothing. Does the FBI need to go into every house in Maryland and determine if it could be the house? And there is no physical evidence, it's been 35 years. And no one else has come forward. So what exactly do you mean by the FBI investigating when all the people accused of being there have denied it ever took place and the accuser can't remember basic facts that would allow an investigation to occur?

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:15 PM

I don't think I'm saying anything about PTSD. And I don't think Ford has claimed she had PTSD either. We don't know if her unwillingness to provide key information is because she suffers a memory loss or is intentional. I'm assuming you have not evaluated her and you are only assuming that she is suffering some kind of memory loss from PTSD. You have no verifiable proof that any of this happened, therefore you have no proof whether she is suffering memory loss or lying. That's the same quandary we are all in, unfortunately, when it comes to this allegation.So send in people who investigate these things for a living.

They can be found at the FBI.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 06:15 PM

I agree, but there should be basic facts provided so an investigation can be done. That happened in the Cosby cases, but has not happened in this allegation. Maybe she shows up Monday or Wednesday or whatever and fills in the holes.I heard Grassley's top staffer, Rick Davis, already completed his investigation and is ready for Kavanaugh to be confirmed.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:15 PM

So send in people who investigate these things for a living.

They can be found at the FBI.

Hmmm, FBI go into every house in Maryland and see if there is a layout that kind of matches the memory of someone that can't really remember. Good luck with that.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:16 PM

I heard Grassley's top staffer, Rick Davis, already completed his investigation and is ready for Kavanaugh to be confirmed.

I'm sure he did. He asked Kavanaugh and he said no. What more can he investigate? He needs to have Ford testify, if nothing else, just to see if she even appears credible.

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 06:17 PM

Hmmm, FBI go into every house in Maryland and see if there is a layout that kind of matches the memory of someone that can't really remember. Good luck with that.

At least you sound reasonable and not hyperbolic beyond all fucking reason.

But yeah, you're suuuuper objective.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:17 PM

I heard Grassley's top staffer, Rick Davis, already completed his investigation and is ready for Kavanaugh to be confirmed.He read Ed Wehlan's tweets and that's all he needed.

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 06:17 PM

Hmmm, FBI go into every house in Maryland and see if there is a layout that kind of matches the memory of someone that can't really remember. Good luck with that.

Just out of curiosity: Do you remember the layout of every house you've ever set foot inside? Even just once?

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:18 PM

Hmmm, FBI go into every house in Maryland and see if there is a layout that kind of matches the memory of someone that can't really remember. Good luck with that.You're a pretty disingenuous piece of shit, you know that?

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:18 PM

So send in people who investigate these things for a living.

They can be found at the FBI.

Yes, they can go open the yearbook and call everyone in the yearbook and ask them if this happened in their house. But what if it didn't happen in any of their houses? Then they can just go door to door? And how can they investigate a day that no one knows?

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:18 PM

Just out of curiosity: Do you remember the layout of every house you've ever set foot inside? Even just once?

Absolutely not. That's why I'm wondering what kind of investigation you are expecting.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:19 PM

Yes, they can go open the yearbook and call everyone in the yearbook and ask them if this happened in their house. But what if it didn't happen in any of their houses? Then they can just go door to door? And how can they investigate a day that no one knows?If they hit all the dead ends you are sure they will they can say that and there will be no more complaining the FBI didn't investigate.

You want to stop any investigation, period.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:19 PM

You're a pretty disingenuous piece of shit, you know that?

That's a much better answer than you trying to explain how you can investigate a claim with no verifiable facts. I guess I'm a bad guy because I don't agree with what you are selling.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:21 PM

If they hit all the dead ends you are sure they will they can say that and there will be no more complaining the FBI didn't investigate.

You want to stop any investigation, period.

No, I think you invite the FBI to the hearing and you have them interrogate both Ford and Kavanaugh for the cameras and don't let the Senators talk at all. I actually like that idea more and more. But let's do this in public since that is the forum that Ford decided to use to address this grievance.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:21 PM

That's a much better answer than you trying to explain how you can investigate a claim with no verifiable facts. I guess I'm a bad guy because I don't agree with what you are selling.If they can't investigate, let them say they can't.

You want to prevent even that.

That is much worse. You're a bad guy because of that.

Trill Clinton

09-21-2018, 06:21 PM

So where's the taking seriously and investigation for the hundreds of thousands of REAL evidence/rape kits sitting on shelves?

do you think women's outcries of rape should be taken serious and investigated? How do you feel about men who immediately and automatically call said women liars?

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 06:21 PM

Absolutely not. That's why I'm wondering what kind of investigation you are expecting.

So because you can't remember the layouts of any of those houses, you can't tell me a single memory from anything that's ever happened inside of them?

I'm seriously baffled at what you're saying. Do you think a victim needs to be a fucking architect to give testimony in court, or the alternative being the jury yells "SHAME" and dropkicks them out of the courtroom?

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 06:22 PM

do you think women's outcries of rape should be taken serious and investigated? How do you feel about men who immediately and automatically call said women liars?

Only if they can give a list of square footage, material in the backsplash, amenities, brand of the refrigerator, and number of kitchen tiles in each house. Otherwise it's obvious that they're FUCKING LYING.... but I look forward to her testimony to find out if she's actually a liar on Monday. - Someone in this thread

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 06:26 PM

I'm sure he did. He asked Kavanaugh and he said no. What more can he investigate?Davis deleted the tweets and locked down his social media accounts, but the screenshots are out there. What he has said already -- he was the committee's lead investigator -- seems to be good reason to think the Judiciary Committee can't be trusted for an impartial evaluation.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:27 PM

So because you can't remember the layouts of any of those houses, you can't tell me a single memory from anything that's ever happened inside of them?

I'm seriously baffled at what you're saying. Do you think a victim needs to be a fucking architect to give testimony in court, or the alternative being the jury yells "SHAME" and dropkicks them out of the courtroom?

No, I'm saying that if you can't name a location, a time, how you got there, and where you went after, and who's house it was, how do you expect to investigate. "Investigate" is not a magic word. You need to have some leads to look into.

But I think if Ford was interested in having her claims investigated, she would have gone to the local police department in Maryland with jurisdiction, and not Sen. Feinstein. I think if she was interested in an investigation, she would have asked for that before she asked for a hearing. Note that she asked for a hearing and the Republicans said okay, and then she said she didn't want to do a hearing. And when they said that she needed to do a hearing, then she said she wanted the FBI to investigate first (in concert with the Democrats). And that's been my point all along. The story is certainly possible, but it's called into question for 2 reasons. First, she is leaving out any facts that are verifiable, which makes it potentially a concocted story. And second, she has behaved highly political in bringing this about in a very public forum at a time that is very politically convenient for what the Democrats are trying to do. I'm sorry, but that eats into her credibility.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:28 PM

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:30 PM

No, I think you invite the FBI to the hearing and you have them interrogate both Ford and Kavanaugh for the cameras and don't let the Senators talk at all. I actually like that idea more and more. But let's do this in public since that is the forum that Ford decided to use to address this grievance. disingenuous

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 06:30 PM

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:32 PM

disingenuous

So if you were her attorney, would you agree to that? Would you agree to be questioned only by the FBI at the hearing? It's just a public investigation instead of a private one.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:34 PM

So if you were her attorney, would you agree to that? Would you agree to be questioned only by the FBI at the hearing? It's just a public investigation instead of a private one.That isn't an investigation.

You're completely disingenuous.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:34 PM

what's expected in a court of law doesn't necessarily apply to a political committee meeting.

the Senate Judiciary Committee isn't a judicially competent tribunal, nor should it hold itself out to be one.

Well I'm sure a hefty portion of them are lawyers. Certainly their aides are lawyers, or at least most of them. Look, I get that this is not a court of law. If it was, this would be tossed out because there is no evidence. But that doesn't mean you have to throw common sense. Legal rules exist because of years of applying them have shown that certain principles are important to discerning truth. It doesn't happen 100% of the time, but holding people to legal standards when a public accusation of a crime is made is only natural.

cd98

09-21-2018, 06:36 PM

That isn't an investigation.

You're completely disingenuous.

It's not an investigation because it doesn't accomplish the delay that the Democrats want as part of their effort to Bork Kavanaugh.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:37 PM

It's not an investigationThat part is right.

Just have the FBI investigate all they can and then that can't be asked for anymore.

Simple.

It took three days for Hill. This should take less, according to you

You don't even want that. What are you afraid of?

rmt

09-21-2018, 06:42 PM

do you think women's outcries of rape should be taken serious and investigated? How do you feel about men who immediately and automatically call said women liars?

I think that women who go through hours long rape kits and provide DNA evidence should be taken seriously and investigated before a woman who was not raped and can't remember details from 3 and a half decades ago. I say to both men and women - whatever the grievance - provide the proof (collaboration, pictures, DNA, details, etc).

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 06:45 PM

Chris

09-21-2018, 06:45 PM

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09-21-2018, 06:46 PM

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Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:47 PM

BECAUSE NOW WE NEED TO RUSH

rmt

09-21-2018, 06:48 PM

women provide rape kits and the police ignore them, by 100Ks

So where is the outrage by posters on this board for them compared to what they want done for this alleged attempted rape 35? years ago? What is the difference? Political.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:50 PM

So where is the outrage by posters on this board for them compared to what they want done for this alleged attempted rape 35? years ago? What is the difference? Political.Great. I am in favor of processing the rape kits.

Now can you stop trying to change the subject?

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 06:52 PM

Nice misdirect. The sanctimony really sells it :tuFrom a government worker, no less.

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 06:52 PM

So where is the outrage by posters on this board for them compared to what they want done for this alleged attempted rape 35? years ago? What is the difference? Political.

K is up for SCOTUS, will screw Americans and America for decades, including screwing women out of health care, jobs, income.

yeah, it's political, just like Bitch McC screwing Obama out of a SCOTUS judge was political.

K will join 4 other oligarchy whores and Americans will die by the 100Ks over his career.

Trill Clinton

09-21-2018, 06:55 PM

I think that women who go through hours long rape kits and provide DNA evidence should be taken seriously and investigated before a woman who was not raped and can't remember details from 3 and a half decades ago. I say to both men and women - whatever the grievance - provide the proof (collaboration, pictures, DNA, details, etc).

What about the women and little girls who are raped and afraid or embarrassed to make an outcry at the time of the assault. Later in life they find the courage to finally make an outcy. Is it too late for them or should we listen and investigate? I'll hang up and listen.

benefactor

09-21-2018, 06:57 PM

If ducks was female and could construct complete sentences, he'd be rmt.

rmt

09-21-2018, 07:00 PM

What about the women and little girls who are raped and afraid or embarrassed to make an outcry at the time of the assault. Later in life they find the courage to finally make an outcy. Is it too late for them or should we listen and investigate? I'll hang up and listen.

Should they come before the ones who already provided DNA evidence and have been waiting for years? - especially considering they cannot now provide DNA evidence with lesser chance of conviction?

rmt

09-21-2018, 07:02 PM

K is up for SCOTUS, will screw Americans and America for decades, including screwing women out of health care, jobs, income.

yeah, it's political, just like Bitch McC screwing Obama out of a SCOTUS judge was political.

K will join 4 other oligarchy whores and Americans will die by the 100Ks over his career.

bou, I congratulate you. At least, you are willing to admit that it is political.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 07:04 PM

Should they come before the ones who already provided DNA evidence and have been waiting for years? - especially considering they cannot now provide DNA evidence with lesser chance of conviction?So anytime you bring up a legal issue we can just declare another issue to be more pressing so you can never speak of the original one again.

Trill Clinton

09-21-2018, 07:06 PM

Should they come before the ones who already provided DNA evidence and have been waiting for years? - especially considering they cannot now provide DNA evidence with lesser chance of conviction?

Thats a good question and I have to say it depends. Especially if the perpetrator is still living and possibly still committing rapes.

Do you think they should have to wait years before their cries are heard or not be investigated at all just because they were too young or scared in the past?

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 07:09 PM

bou, I congratulate you. At least, you are willing to admit that it is political.

they're all fucking politicians, politics is what the fuck they do.

Chris

09-21-2018, 07:11 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dno7XxaU4AAmQJV.jpg:large

spurraider21

09-21-2018, 07:22 PM

^the troll thingy

Chris

09-21-2018, 07:25 PM

^it's called comedy

I don't do the troll thing.

Chris

09-21-2018, 07:32 PM

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DarrinS

09-21-2018, 07:35 PM

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DarrinS

09-21-2018, 07:36 PM

Better get her ass on a plane.

Spurminator

09-21-2018, 07:44 PM

He definitely doesn't do the comedy thing.

ducks

09-21-2018, 07:46 PM

she says she was afraid to tell her mommy and daddy because she was at a party where they were serving drinks she was not suppose to be out
did not want to get in trouble
poor ford

Chris

09-21-2018, 07:49 PM

Flies all over the country including an internship in Hawaii, but now she is scared of planes :jack

Cry Havoc

09-21-2018, 08:00 PM

Flies all over the country including an internship in Hawaii, but now she is scared of planes :jack

Man, I can only imagine the number of underwear you'd go through if you had a real death threat on you and people were doxxing your house.

Of course it's easy to play internet tough guy on Spurstalk.

Chris

09-21-2018, 08:06 PM

I do agree with this. At this point she needs to sack up, fly her ass down there, and tell her side of things. If she’s not going to take action now, then her credibility absolutely comes into question and Democrats can’t reasonably complain about Kavanaugh getting through.

She got 2 more hours:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnpypC7UUAAG9J8.jpg:large

spurraider21

09-21-2018, 08:13 PM

^it's called comedy

I don't do the troll thing.
of course you do

you don't do the alt account thingy

of course you conflate the two

Spurs Homer

09-21-2018, 08:21 PM

At this point I hope they just confirm Kavanaugh in a rush on monday.

Then I hope Dr/ Ford files a criminal complaint in Maryland and they open up an investigation. It will be funnier when they find there was a crime and the GOP just ignored it and confirmed a sexual assaulter.

Chris

09-21-2018, 08:22 PM

of course you do

you don't do the alt account thingy

of course you conflate the two

I have an alternate account for emergencies.

I don't agitate people for my amusement. That's what you do.

spurraider21

09-21-2018, 08:23 PM

I have an alternate account for emergencies.
what type of emergency do you anticipate?

I don't agitate people for my amusement.
demonstrably false

That's what you do.
on occasion, sure

cd98

09-21-2018, 08:25 PM

:lmao Kavanaugh isn’t even going to get charged with a crime. His punishment isn’t prison......his punishment would be simply not getting one of the top 15 most prestigious jobs in America and having to settle for like a top 500 job instead.

:lmao trying to pretend like this isn’t political for you.

Yes he’ll just be publicly accused and condemned of rape with no evidence. Millions across the country will see him lose the confirmation or miss out on a vote. And millions will assume he’s a rapist even with no evidence. But it’s just a job interview.

Reck

09-21-2018, 08:25 PM

^it's called comedy

I don't do the troll thing.

It's not comedy if you actually think she has a penis. And we all know you do.

Is not about being funny with you.

Chris

09-21-2018, 08:26 PM

what type of emergency do you anticipate?

A certain poster was threatening to ban me for talking about Jews a while back.

demonstrably false

Prove it.

on occasion, sure

You do the troll thing.

cd98

09-21-2018, 08:27 PM

Flies all over the country including an internship in Hawaii, but now she is scared of planes :jack

I thought George Soros had a private jet.

Chris

09-21-2018, 08:28 PM

It's not comedy if you actually think she has a penis. And we all know you do.

Is not about being funny with you.

I believe Joan Rivers, and I have seen the video evidence. Michelle Obama has a penis.

Chris

09-21-2018, 08:28 PM

I thought George Soros had a private jet.

Soros is bailing out Kavanaugh protesters. Baby killing is big business.

cd98

09-21-2018, 08:33 PM

I hope she shows and testifies. I think she planned on making an anonymous claim. But when she saw that wasn’t good enough to derail the hearing, she was forced to let her name get out and play this game of will she or won’t she testify. I hope her reluctance isn’t bc it’s all a hoax and she’ll be exposed. I think that would be a real low in our history.

Reck

09-21-2018, 08:36 PM

I believe Joan Rivers, and I have seen the video evidence. Michelle Obama has a penis.

See, so is not about comedy for you. You're just pushing a conspiracy.

cd98

09-21-2018, 08:43 PM

Oh man :cry how will he make it through :cry being a disgraced member of the Washington elite sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much worse than being ass-raped in prison every day.

True colors shining.

Reck

09-21-2018, 08:45 PM

True colors shining.

And you? Are you saying you dont need to hide your true colors because you're ok by being a massive partisan hack? I respect that.

cd98

09-21-2018, 08:55 PM

And you? Are you saying you dont need to hide your true colors because you're ok by being a massive partisan hack? I respect that.

I’m not a party hack. How often do you see me here taking up for any party? I just think the accusations are so thin and Ford is dodging every chance to validate them that it amounts to a hack job. If the GOP did the same thing, I’d be all over them. I was reserving judgment but every act Ford has done is lock step with the Dems, including hiring a political activist attorney and a democratic consultant. She kept it a secret until after the hearing and now she is flip flopping on testifying when she is the one that wanted a hearing in front of the senators. You don’t make this allegation about someone in public for millions to judge him when you can’t back your story with verifiable facts. So if this is the hoax that it appears to be, then Hell yea, I’ll condemn it.

Now if she stops playing political games and answers legit questions, then I’ll hear her out.

Pavlov

09-21-2018, 08:57 PM

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Because now you have to rush, Darrin.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 08:58 PM

Now if she stops playing political games and answers legit questions, then I’ll hear her out....and then revert to what you've been saying all along.

you're playing a political game too, defense for the GOP.

unwaveringly.

ducks

09-21-2018, 09:04 PM

Because now you have to rush, Darrin.

Let’s just wait another 35 years

baseline bum

09-21-2018, 09:15 PM

Yes he’ll just be publicly accused and condemned of rape with no evidence. Millions across the country will see him lose the confirmation or miss out on a vote. And millions will assume he’s a rapist even with no evidence. But it’s just a job interview.

If it was good enough for Garland it's good enough for Kavanaugh too.

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:15 PM

.[/FONT][/COLOR]...and then revert to what you've been saying all along.

you're playing a political game too, defense for the GOP.

unwaveringly.

it's not political games to want the judicial system to play its part and not just jump to the side of every damn accuser out there. i've known a couple horrible women throughout my life so i am not so naive to believe everyones word out there especially a charge of rape from 30+ yrs ago with little to no detail.

the guys screaming otherwise are just a bunch of sissy's and yall know it. it's the same with male feminists; they're so weak and this is their attempt to get close to women. let's not bullshit ourselves.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:19 PM

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:24 PM

it's not political games to want the judicial system to play its part and not just jump to the side of every damn accuser out there. i've known a couple horrible women throughout my life so i am not so naive to believe everyones word out there especially a charge of rape from 30+ yrs ago with little to no detail.

the guys screaming otherwise are just a bunch of sissy's and yall know it. it's the same with male feminists; they're so weak and this is their attempt to get close to women. let's not bullshit ourselves.I can see you have a beef against the justice system for investigating claims of sexual assault.

That's on you, bud.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:29 PM

nice historical background on the Ethics and Public Policy Center:

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spurraider21

09-21-2018, 09:32 PM

Let’s just wait another 35 years
Let's just wait until the election.

that was the standard last time

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:36 PM

You couldn’t be more of an incel.

lmao at you of all people... project much mono?

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:38 PM

I can see you have a beef against the justice system for investigating claims of sexual assault.

That's on you, bud.

i don't. i have a beef with jumping to conclusions and ruining careers/lives because of sissy's on either side of the political aisle. it's sickening.

where's the threads and all the hoopla over the allegations against keith ellison? huh? where? there might be one somewhere on this board but does it have the same bs virtue signaling escapade as this thread here?

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 09:38 PM

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Lol

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:38 PM

1042826495725633541how does Senate Judiciary know the names of people and where they lived, at the party that Mark Judge doesn't remember, where the attempted rape never happened, if they didn't talk to Ms. Ford?I wonder who it is who remembers the party and who was there and told Ed Whelan and Mark Davis.

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:39 PM

Let's just wait until the election.

that was the standard last time

the standard was for your cunt hillary to have been ushered in so she could appoint lynch. fuck out of here losers!

spurraider21

09-21-2018, 09:41 PM

the standard was for your cunt hillary to have been ushered in so she could appoint lynch. fuck out of here losers!
huh? garland was nominated.

are you suggesting clinton orchestrated the obstruction of garland's nomination so that she could nominate lynch?

:lmao

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:43 PM

i don't. i have a beef with jumping to conclusions and ruining careers/lives because of sissy's on either side of the political aisle. it's sickening.

where's the threads and all the hoopla over the allegations against keith ellison? huh? where? there might be one somewhere on this board but does it have the same bs virtue signaling escapade as this thread here?the stakes aren't nearly as high, but yeah, you can find it on this board.

here's CNN's story from today: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/keith-ellison-karen-monahan/index.html

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:43 PM

huh? garland was nominated.

are you suggesting clinton orchestrated the obstruction of garland's nomination so that she could nominate lynch?

:lmao

maybe not for scalia's seat but def down the line. yall act like there's nothing to anything anyone of us say here if we aren't one of you and don't have our noses so high up in the air. yall sicken me. fuck you, your ideology, and those just like you.

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:44 PM

the stakes aren't nearly as high, but yeah, you can find it on this board.

here's CNN's story from today: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/keith-ellison-karen-monahan/index.html

fuck articles! let's see that shit plastered on MSM just as much as they're smearing judge k rn.

as well, i want to hear the outcry by fellow ST far left faggots here. come one, come all you sissy fucks.

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 09:50 PM

She needs another day to pack provisions for her cross-country drive, apparently.

ElNono

09-21-2018, 09:54 PM

I'm a lawyer. I can tell you that two people can read a statute or an opinion and come to two different and somewhat legitimate conclusions. Now, I'm not a constitutional lawyer (though I did get an A in con law), but I have studied opinions. I'm no expert on the Supreme Court, but if you are a textualist, of course it's going to come against rights that are not enumerated in the constitution. Likewise, if you believe in a living, breathing constitution, then you will tend to interpret things as rights. Those two views can be opposed. But they also look at precedent, so it's not just what the Constitution says or doesn't say.

Judges will tell you, and I believe them, that they do not let their personal beliefs into their analysis. I've wrote legal opinions that I disagreed with personally, but I knew that is what the law required. I think that can and does happen all the time on the Supreme Court.

Well, let's just preface by saying that lower-court judges are in generally more contrived as far as the latitude they have to operate: Not only they have to obviously rule on law, but also where the law isn't necessarily clear, apply precedent, if any, and ultimately, if the SCOTUS touched on the case before, apply SCOTUS guidance. Plus, should they decide to exercise some personal political opinion, they can be eventually overruled if they're in the wrong.

The SCOTUS normally does need to deal in weighing differing court opinions, competing constitutionally protected interests, offering precedent and guidance to lower courts, and they're the final frontier until the SCOTUS decides to revisit again (a relatively high bar). There's inherently more opinion involved in the cases the SCOTUS handles, because clear matters of law were likely handled by the lower courts. And so it's undeniable that how they weight these competing rights and interests is largely based not just on their approach to being textual or adaptive, but their own personal belief on what rights or interests might weigh more heavily than others (and that in turn be influenced by their political world view).

Just going by straight statistics will tell you a guy like Clearance Thomas votes on the conservative side the vast majority of the time. Just like Sonia Sotomayor will vote on the liberal angle. (I'm referring to cases where either precedent or clear rule of law is not delineated, which are normally the high profile cases). That doesn't mean they actively campaign to impose their view on the court, or that they're partisan hacks, but it would be naive to offer that their opinions are not influenced by their political views at all.

I do agree with you that once on the court they should have deference to long standing precedent, unless there's some new significant developments in a particular topic, and keep their political feelings in check. But if we look at the hard numbers, that doesn't really happen. And the people that are spending money on TV ads for this guy to be confirmed are well aware of that fact too. The 'perfect world' scenario would have these guys being wise, apolitical subjects. But unfortunately we live in an imperfect world.

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:56 PM

:lmao not even bothering to deny that you’re an incel.

i'm gonna not bother with you at all anymore mono. you're a bore to deal with. as well, fuck your lame internet lingo anyhow. i wish you were a big bad motherfucker because then maybe i'd take you seriously. i just find you boring, lame, and trying so fucking hard to be cool here for whatever reason.

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 09:57 PM

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/729/0ce.jpg

ZzZzZz...

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 09:58 PM

koriwhat

09-21-2018, 10:01 PM

Instead of calling for an investigation to clear his name and imploring his defenders to be patient &await the result of an orderly inquiry, Kavanaugh lawyered up, ran for cover and let the Judiciary Committee and Ed Whelen do the dirty work of defaming his accuser as well as an entirely unrelated middle school teacher, and did nothing to denounce the mob that sent his accuser death threats and chased her from her own home.

Kavanaugh had a chance to show his judicial temperament and blew it.

what he shouldn't had sought council? he's on nat'l tv for a SC seat and is all of a sudden accused of rape from 35 yrs ago but he's not supposed to seek council immediately? as well, if he did nothing then why does he have to speak up for ford? i'd let that bitch reap what she sowed if he is indeed not guilty and this is all a political ploy to delay/etc. fuck that bitch and let her rot in hell if he is telling the truth.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:02 PM

If it was good enough for Garland it's good enough for Kavanaugh too.

Oh what false defamatory story was made up about Garland? It’s not morally equal. Garland got hosed bc the party nominating him lost the senate. That’s how the game is played and the Dems will do the same if they get the chance. But accusing someone of a violent crime with no evidence is a particular kind of insidiousness. I hope that isn’t what happened, but it’s not looking promising.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:03 PM

I can see getting a lawyer, sure.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:05 PM

accusing someone of a violent crime with no evidence is a particular kind of insidiousness.not if it actually happened.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:05 PM

after all, what evidence would there be 35 years later?

that there's no extant evidence does not mean it didn't happen, just that it's not provable to a legal certainty.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:07 PM

.[/FONT][/COLOR]...and then revert to what you've been saying all along.

you're playing a political game too, defense for the GOP.

unwaveringly.

Political games? I’m just saying that you can’t float a salacious rumor and then run and hide when people ask you to clarify with verifiable facts. If she came with verifiable facts and was convincing, I’d say investigate him with the local police and find another nominee.

But Ford made this public and personal. She can’t throw mud and run and hide. If she’s the corageous victim you want her to be, then she should step up to a mic under oath and give a full, verifiable account. That’s what she said she wanted to do until she was invited to do it.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:09 PM

Mikeanaro

09-21-2018, 10:09 PM

Political games? I’m just saying that you can’t float a salacious rumor and then run and hide when people ask you to clarify with verifiable facts. If she came with verifiable facts and was convincing, I’d say investigate him with the local police and find another nominee.

Put Ford made this public and personal. She can’t throw mud and run and hide. If she’s the curagageous victim you want her to be, then she should step up to a mic under oath and give a full, verifiable account. That’s what she said she wanted to do until she was invited to do it.
Under oath and verifiable? thats not the liberal way, all about feelenz cuz.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:10 PM

you can’t float a salacious rumorit's not a salacious rumor if it actually happened

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:13 PM

not if it actually happened.

Speaking honestly and without political bias, aren’t you bothered that she refuses to answer a questionnaire or face questions about the allegations? Doesn’t it bother you that she wanted to testify only when she thought they didn’t want her to? Doesn’t it bother you that she wanted a proceeding where Kavanaugh was questioned first, and then she was questioned without giving him a chance to respond? This isn’t Central America. This isn’t Kangaroo court. It’s a basic tenant that the accused should be allowed to respond. Doesn’t it bother you that she won’t speak under oath?

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 10:14 PM

a very large majority of rapes aren't reported, but I think we can say 100% of the victims are badly traumatized, for years.

billionaire bitch Devos / DoE working hard to protect college rapists.

ElNono

09-21-2018, 10:14 PM

Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed. Conservatives clearly hope that he will be a warrior when the eventual Dem Congress and/or Executive comes around.

This has a political cost, however, that's not transient, but will have historical implications. We'll see if the gambit pays off for them, or eventually ends up being too high a price.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:16 PM

had it happened to your wife, or your daughter -- or yourself -- but you couldn't prove it, would you come forward to prevent a man or woman from getting lifetime tenure on the most powerful court in the land?

No. I would go to the local authorities. I would distance myself from looking like it was political. I wouldn’t want that stink. Sure, if it happened I would want justice, but I would expect my wife or daughter to make an honest account. I’d do it in private. And I’d do it months before a hearing. There’s an honest way to launch and investigation and there’s what she did.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:18 PM

Speaking honestly and without political bias, aren’t you bothered that she refuses to answer a questionnaire or face questions about the allegations? Doesn’t it bother you that she wanted to testify only when she thought they didn’t want her to? Doesn’t it bother you that she wanted a proceeding where Kavanaugh was questioned first, and then she was questioned without giving him a chance to respond? This isn’t Central America. This isn’t Kangaroo court. It’s a basic tenant that the accused should be allowed to respond. Doesn’t it bother you that she won’t speak under oath?you assume a lot. my understanding was that negotiations about all of the above are ongoing.

are they not?

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:18 PM

a very large majority of rapes aren't reported, but I think we can say 100% of the victims are badly traumatized, for years.

billionaire bitch Devos / DoE working hard to protect college rapists.

You know what, so are people that are wrongly accused. Go ask the Duke LaCrosse team what it’s like for the country to think you are a horrible rapist.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:19 PM

No. I would go to the local authorities. I would distance myself from looking like it was political. I wouldn’t want that stink. Sure, if it happened I would want justice, but I would expect my wife or daughter to make an honest account. I’d do it in private. And I’d do it months before a hearing. There’s an honest way to launch and investigation and there’s what she did.so, you'd not stick up for yourself or your loved ones if you had a bad case.

that's very lawyerly of you.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:19 PM

you assume a lot. my understanding was that negotiations about all of the above are ongoing.

are they not?

Why do you have to negotiate a full account of what happened. That should have been the first report she made.

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 10:21 PM

This has a political cost

When K or equivalent is seated, there is nothing opposition can do. SCOTUS is untouchable.

How are voters going to punish Repugs, connect any single Repug to K or other?, for putting these political hacks into judicial power for decades?

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:21 PM

so, you'd not stick up for yourself or your loved ones if you had a bad case.

that's very lawyerly of you.

What? I wouldn’t publicize. I would report it to the police like everyone else does. Most people don’t bring legitimate rape stories 35 years from when they happened to a senator.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:22 PM

if Ms. Blasey Ford does not negotiate along the lines you think proper, it is improper. gotcha.

baseline bum

09-21-2018, 10:27 PM

Oh what false defamatory story was made up about Garland? It’s not morally equal. Garland got hosed bc the party nominating him lost the senate. That’s how the game is played and the Dems will do the same if they get the chance. But accusing someone of a violent crime with no evidence is a particular kind of insidiousness. I hope that isn’t what happened, but it’s not looking promising.

The Dems haven't done the same, quit your false equivalence bullshit. They confirmed a Reagan pick in an election year. Stealing the Garland seat away from Obama was straight Mitch McConnell and GOP senate faggotry.

baseline bum

09-21-2018, 10:29 PM

ElNono

09-21-2018, 10:32 PM

When K or equivalent is seated, there is nothing opposition can do. SCOTUS is untouchable.

How are voters going to punish Repugs, connect any single Repug to K or other?, for putting these political hacks into judicial power for decades?

Well, for starters, Congress can propose changing the number of members of the Court. The amount is not set in the Constitution and that has happened before (see Judicial Circuits Act of 1866 and Judiciary Act of 1869). The Court has had as little as 5 members, and as many as 10.

Again, there's a price being paid here for the political gambit of both the Garland delay and this confirmation. Further inflammation can only embolden the other side to play their own political gambits when in power.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:32 PM

btw, cd98, don't you find it curious that Ed Whelen somehow knew who was at the party and where they lived without talking to Ms. Ford?

Mr. Judge says he can't remember, who do you suppose might have told Mr.Whelen?

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:39 PM

btw, cd98 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16113), don't you find it curious that Ed Whelen somehow knew who was at the party and where they lived without talking to Ms. Ford?

Mr. Judge says he can't remember, who do you suppose might have told Mr.Whelen?

He didnt. He was speculating as to a possibility given what little we know. That’s why it was reckless and stupid.

ElNono

09-21-2018, 10:41 PM

It's not going to have a price. Did stealing Obama's appointment have a price?

They're all tied up. They look separate in the immediate context, but over time, it could have an impact as a turning point, with a very specific cost.

ie: If the country conservatives remain a minority and there's a court that rubberstamps conservative viewpoints, in time, that will have a heavy political cost for the GOP. Much like Congress popularity being absolutely terrible due to the current polarization.

Realistically, an opportunity like this doesn't come often historically, so that's why I'm certain BK will get confirmed. I personally never had a question, despite any allegations. Politically, he's a lot like Trump, in that he could kill 50 people on the street and he's still going to get confirmed.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:41 PM

The Dems haven't done the same, quit your false equivalence bullshit. They confirmed a Reagan pick in an election year. Stealing the Garland seat away from Obama was straight Mitch McConnell and GOP senate faggotry.

They didn’t steal anything. They learned from Harry Reid that when you run the Senate you can change the rules to your benefit. That’s very different then accusing Garland of attempted rape with no evidence.

boutons_deux

09-21-2018, 10:46 PM

Ford is in the majority

"According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, there were 320,000 sexual assaults in the US in 2016.

And 77 percent (https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245) of people who experienced rape or sexual assault say they did not tell police.

That number is likely much higher.

Though the NCVS data is the best the US has for now, critics have long warned that in addition to suffering from the risk of underreporting that befalls all self-reported surveys,

its methodology specifically discourages reporting.

In a study from five years ago, the National Academy of Sciences found that the government’s survey was probably vastly undercounting (https://www.nap.edu/catalog/18605/estimating-the-incidence-of-rape-and-sexual-assault)sexual crimes."

https://www.wired.com/story/whyididntreport-hashtag/

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:49 PM

He didnt. He was speculating as to a possibility given what little we know. That’s why it was reckless and stupid.come now, you surely can't rule out that someone else was whispering in his ear. he didn't pick the people out of a hat.

to take one of your favored rhetorical tropes, "it is entirely possible that..."

baseline bum

09-21-2018, 10:50 PM

They didn’t steal anything. They learned from Harry Reid that when you run the Senate you can change the rules to your benefit. That’s very different then accusing Garland of attempted rape with no evidence.

I don't care if ratfucker Kavanaugh is innocent (not that I'm conceding it), if it kills the nomination I'm all for it after what McConnell and your party did to steal Obama's nomination.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:51 PM

there was whispering campaign priming the pump for Mr. Whelen's disclosure starting a few days ago -- you yourself were part of it here, cd98.

hard to imagine he wasn't sharing with others and others with him in advance.

cd98

09-21-2018, 10:51 PM

come now, you surely can't rule out that someone else was whispering in his ear. he didn't pick the people out of a hat.

He said it was a PR firm. But imagine, he concocts a story with more verifiable facts and it’s immediately proven false and reckless. Is that why Ford keeps dodging?

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 10:55 PM

huh? you're starting to lose it

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 11:02 PM

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:03 PM

there was a whispering campaign priming the pump for Mr. Whelen's disclosure starting a few days ago -- you yourself were part of it here, cd98 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16113).yet you disbelieve coordination with anyone other than the unnamed PR company.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:04 PM

What’s your conspiracy theory?I don't have one. I was hoping cd98 would, since he had one at the ready for Ms Ford. He blames an unnamed PR company.

How would you explain it?

Reck

09-21-2018, 11:05 PM

1043311887826530305

Lol

Gee, oppressing a woman right to speak is just so goddamn funny. Good one dude

ElNono

09-21-2018, 11:05 PM

IIRC, statute of limitations on rape range from 3 to 30 years, so going to denounce this at a police station now after 35 years would serve no purpose in seeking justice from the judiciary.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:08 PM

Orrin Hatch's office said to watch for Ed Whelan's exculpatory bombshell three days ago. Do you really buy that Whelan wasn't shopping it around?

Hard to believe it got so badly oversold.

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 11:11 PM

Gee, oppressing a woman right to speak is just so goddamn funny. Good one dude

Who’s keeping her from speaking?

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 11:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjPyQWbiF7o

cd98

09-21-2018, 11:14 PM

IIRC, statute of limitations on rape range from 3 to 30 years, so going to denounce this at a police station now after 35 years would serve no purpose in seeking justice from the judiciary.

I’ve seen reported there is no statute of limitations in Maryland, so hypothetically she could. But realistictly, if you can’t explain where it happened, when, how you got there, the basic facts on something that happened around 35 years ago, no one is investigating that. There’s nothing to investigate. There are no leads. That’s why it’s the perfect allegation. Can’t be proved or disproved. It’s a nasty allegation that just has to be made and it creates a presumption in half the country that he’s a rapist. That’s very dangerous.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:15 PM

there is no statute of limitations in Maryland, so hypocritically she couldslip of the tongue?

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:16 PM

nice edit

cd98

09-21-2018, 11:18 PM

yet you disbelieve coordination with anyone other than the unnamed PR company.

I believe he engaged in reckless speculation and got burned. Judging by Fords dodges, I’d guess her story will catch and burn if she ever dares to testify under oath.

cd98

09-21-2018, 11:20 PM

nice edit

I’m on the I phone. Auto correct.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:20 PM

Ed Whelan let you down. He let a lot of people down, presumably including Mr. Kavanaugh.

He put the megaphone to his lips and what came out was bullshit.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:22 PM

I’m on the I phone. Auto correct.Maybe your phone knows you better than you do. Predictive function?

cd98

09-21-2018, 11:23 PM

Ed Whelan let you down. He let a lot of people down, presumably including Mr. Kavanaugh.

He put the megaphone to his lips and what came out was bullshit.

I think we’d all like a straight answer. He didn’t have one. But the burden of proof is on the accuser. It’s logical that you can’t expect anyone to prove a negative. Your focus shouldn’t be on big players. It is on your star witness. Will she testify under oath or continue to dodge?

cd98

09-21-2018, 11:25 PM

Maybe your phone knows you better than you do. Predictive function?

Yes bc reporting crimes to the police is hypocritical. My I phone is just detecting all the people here from the party of Kennedy and Clinton that all of a sudden consider rape wrong. Unfortunately you only care when there are no consequences to your political party.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:31 PM

I think we’d all like a straight answer. He didn’t have one. But the burden of proof is on the accuser. It’s logical that you can’t expect anyone to prove a negative. Your focus shouldn’t be on big players. It is on your star witness. Will she testify under oath or continue to dodge?I have no idea, Ms. Blasey Ford isn't my star. She's a player in the play.

I think it's a mistake to speak of proof or standards of proof at all, since, as you've pointed out repeatedly, the claim is unfalsifiable and the venue is not a proper judicial tribunal. In Popperian terms, Blasey's allegation not a valid object of science.

It is, however, a proper object of rhetoric and persuasion, and that is where the battle will be joined. It will be decided by a political body, the Judiciary Committee of the US Senate.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:39 PM

Yes bc reporting crimes to the police is hypocritical. My I phone is just detecting all the people here from the party of Kennedy and Clinton that all of a sudden consider rape wrong. Unfortunately you only care when there are no consequences to your political party.The Democratic Party is not my party. I'm not a member and I don't like them.

I thought and still think Clinton is a rapey scoundrel. Kennedy, a prince Hal who never grew up to be the king. Didn't vote for Gore, Kerry or Obama. I'm not sure where you get this. If you check my trend of posting here, you'll not find much complementary about the Dems. The search function is your friend.

I don't like the GOP either. I'd like to see a battle royale that decimates and discredits both parties.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:43 PM

it's an odd trope to blame anyone who merely disagrees with you with belonging to the political party you dislike.

I'd have expected better of a lawyer, but I guess that's just my silly naivete again.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:47 PM

It will be decided by a political body, the Judiciary Committee of the US Senate.and judged by all of us

DarrinS

09-21-2018, 11:49 PM

Virtue signal much, whinehole? Geez

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:50 PM

I was talking to cd98.

Winehole23

09-21-2018, 11:54 PM

wishing condign failure on the fecal two-party duopoly in the US isn't just virtue signalling, it's a prerequisite for the reestablishment of democratic steering of the body politic by the people, rather than by the political donor class.

Spurtacular

09-21-2018, 11:59 PM

40 pages in a week on a false flag. Chumpettes really triggered. :lmao

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:04 AM

Virtue signal much, whinehole? Geezyou can't believe anyone exists outside the two party antagonism.

you fail to account for the 1/2 of the US population that either doesn't vote, or votes resolutely for outsiders.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:05 AM

it's a common oversight

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:16 AM

40 pages in a week on a false flag. Chumpettes really triggered. :lmaosome tremulous Republicans too. CC and cd98 are working diligently in the trenches for the GOP.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:18 AM

there's no shortage of drama and pearl-clutching on either of the two putative sides.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:33 AM

the efforts to impeach and malign Ms Ford before she has said a single thing in public for herself have been strenuous.

one need look no further than this thread.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:11 AM

ducks, koriwhat and DarrinS just peck around on the surface. it's hard to dig with just a chicken beak.

DarrinS

09-22-2018, 01:27 AM

Have another Chardonnay, whinehole

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:29 AM

don't mind if I do, but I got no Chardonnay handy

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:29 AM

what do you like, DarrinS?

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:50 AM

what, you like to whine about whinehole but you don't like wine?

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:50 AM

ask me anything, I can help. I know a little bit about it.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:51 AM

SA peeps, I can help you find it. I used to do bidness there.

Chris

09-22-2018, 01:56 AM

the efforts to impeach and malign Ms Ford before she has said a single thing in public for herself have been strenuous.

one need look no further than this thread.

What efforts and who are the culprits? Explain your conspiracy theory.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:02 AM

um, read through the thread and note the responses.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:04 AM

are you denying that there is a coordinated, negative GOP response to Ms Ford's allegations in this thread and elsewhere?

that would be foolish to claim because you can find it here and elsewhere.

hell, you posted the Ed Whelan shitshow before he deleted it and apologized for it.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:06 AM

that conspiracy theory was completely unsupported by evidence, yet you swallowed it whole and reposted it for the general edification.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:08 AM

do you really think the middle school teacher did it?

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:11 AM

you're not so quick on the ball are you

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:16 AM

esprit d'escalier, maybe as you're drifting off to sleep you'll have a comeback

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:21 AM

zzz...

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:42 AM

Instead of calling for an investigation to clear his name and imploring his defenders to be patient and await the result of an orderly inquiry, Kavanaugh lawyered up, ran for cover and let the Judiciary Committee and Ed Whelan do the dirty work of defaming his accuser as well as an entirely unrelated middle school teacher, and did nothing to denounce the mob that sent his accuser death threats and chased her from her own home.

Kavanaugh had a chance to show his judicial temperament and blew it.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 02:52 AM

by now perhaps that's a selling point

ElNono

09-22-2018, 04:07 AM

I’ve seen reported there is no statute of limitations in Maryland, so hypothetically she could. But realistictly, if you can’t explain where it happened, when, how you got there, the basic facts on something that happened around 35 years ago, no one is investigating that. There’s nothing to investigate. There are no leads. That’s why it’s the perfect allegation. Can’t be proved or disproved. It’s a nasty allegation that just has to be made and it creates a presumption in half the country that he’s a rapist. That’s very dangerous.

Thanks for the correction. Until we hear the alleged victim's testimony, it's difficult to ascertain whether there's anything to investigate or any leads. "Creating the presumption" is a bit of an exaggeration, considering Mr Kavanaugh willingly walked into a public circus, which include the possibility of smears. Comes with the territory. Ultimately, if he believes Ms Ford is being libelous, there's certainly remedies available to him for that.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 04:53 AM

Thanks for the correction. Until we hear the alleged victim's testimony, it's difficult to ascertain whether there's anything to investigate or any leads. "Creating the presumption" is a bit of an exaggeration, considering Mr Kavanaugh willingly walked into a public circus, which include the possibility of smears. Comes with the territory. Ultimately, if he believes Ms Ford is being libelous, there's certainly remedies available to him for that.

That's a bit naive of a sweeping statement. It's quite possible that such remedies would yield dead ends. Also, such remedies keep the soap opera going (publicly) when he's better off shutting the door as quickly as possible.

rmt

09-22-2018, 05:36 AM

ElNono

09-22-2018, 06:50 AM

That's a bit naive of a sweeping statement. It's quite possible that such remedies would yield dead ends. Also, such remedies keep the soap opera going (publicly) when he's better off shutting the door as quickly as possible.

That's how we settle our disputes in the civilized world. He's under no obligation to seek redress, but he certainly has that option. He's a judge, he understand how the system works.

djohn2oo8

09-22-2018, 10:03 AM

1043506125763751936

Reck

09-22-2018, 10:04 AM

We hire only the best.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 10:46 AM

1043506125763751936
While doing work for the Judiciary Committee, Ventry was employed by CRC Public Relations, a prominent GOP firm helping to promote Kavanaugh’s nomination to the high court.is this the PR firm you mentioned upstream, cd98?

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 10:46 AM

All this going on and you wouldn't get a lawyer? He'd be STUPID if he didn't.I agree. It makes sense for Kavanaugh to get a lawyer.

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 10:47 AM

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford moved 3,000 miles to reinvent her life. It wasn’t far enough.

Maybe another hemisphere would be.

She went online to research other democracies where her family might settle, including New Zealand.

“She was like, ‘I can’t deal with this.

If he becomes the nominee,

then I’m moving to another country.

I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court,’ ” her husband said.

“She wanted out.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/christine-blasey-ford-wanted-to-flee-the-us-to-avoid-brett-kavanaugh-now-she-may-testify-against-him/2018/09/22/db942340-bdb1-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.82df310dfe3d&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:21 AM

CRC advised Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and represents the Judicial Crisis Network; their man Ventry was awfully tight with the Judiciary Committee's press office.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-anti-catholic-playbook/

djohn2oo8

09-22-2018, 11:23 AM

1043306079713734657

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:25 AM

none of this is proof of coordination, but the coincidences are piling up.

Spurs Homer

09-22-2018, 11:37 AM

1043306079713734657

This is what I have been saying will happen - and only Grassley is to blame if Kavanaugh ends up getting prosecuted.
Grassley could have allowed the FBI investigation and by now they might have made a "less than criminal" referral to the committee. Not that he was innocent - but based on the fact that it was just a background investigation - they would have been constrained to just present findings.

Now - there may end up being a criminal prosecution. I hope the piece of shit lying K - is prosecuted.

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 12:07 PM

Grooming Brett Kavanaugh

From prep school to the Supreme Court was a straight line…and crooked as hell

People like Brett Kavanaugh, who as legal commentator Jonathan Turley informed us in The Hill “has long been viewed as someone actively groomed for the court (https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/396247-brett-kavanaugh-is-back-in-the-fray-with-his-supreme-court-nomination) by supporters in the Federalist Society and conservative legal circles.”

But Turley didn’t stop there.

“Short of being raised hydroponically in the basement of the Federalist Society,

he could not be more carefully constructed as a nominee in waiting,” Turley continued.

“He has, literally, spent decades being developed within conservative circles for this moment.”

“All of the years of vetting and grooming and lobbying and list-making by conservative legal figures frustrated by Republican appointees who drifted to the left arguably has come down to this moment (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/us/politics/supreme-court-conservatives-trump.html),

when they stand on the precipice of appointing a fifth justice who, they hope,

will at last establish a bench firmly committed to their principles.”

Republican presidents had appointed people like

David Souter and Anthony Kennedy who ended up, in the right-wing’s memorable turn of phrase, as “squishes.”

“a three-decade project unparalleled in American history

to install a reliable conservative majority (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/us/politics/supreme-court-conservatives-trump.html) on the nation’s highest tribunal.”

“Everything U.S. Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh has worked on in this life prepared him for this moment, and there was no way he was going to mess it up.

From attending Georgetown Preparatory School with Gorsuch — they graduated two years apart —

to later reuniting in the chambers of Justice Kennedy,

for whom the two of them served as judicial clerks (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/will-brett-kavanaugh-do-what-donald-trump-wants.html),

destiny and deep fealty to Republican causes

groomed Kavanaugh for such a time as this.”

you must do it their way.

They make a deal with you:

They’ll tell you the secrets of power

if you do two things.

One, don’t share the secrets with anyone else until you get powerful and it’s your turn to pass the secrets on. And

two, use the power the way we tell you to use it.

the cardinal rule you must follow if you are to be successfully groomed:

when you have to chose between principle and power, you know what to do. Chose power.

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/22/grooming-brett-kavanaugh/#close

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 12:20 PM

deja vu:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnnxVHmWwAISz8q.jpg

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 01:08 PM

spitballing here, the Kavanaugh nomination is in trouble.

if the R's had 50 votes for him, they'd call the vote.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 01:29 PM

That's how we settle our disputes in the civilized world. He's under no obligation to seek redress, but he certainly has that option. He's a judge, he understand how the system works.

Not debating how the system works. I'm stating that the damage has been done. A stigma has been created regardless of the truth of the matter.

baseline bum

09-22-2018, 01:32 PM

spitballing here, the Kavanaugh nomination is in trouble.

if the R's had 50 votes for him, they'd call the vote.

What are the odds you'd guess that he's confirmed? I'm thinking at least 85%. Collins doesn't seem to give a shit and Corker, Flake, and Sasse are all talk.

Reck

09-22-2018, 01:40 PM

She's in.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 01:53 PM

She's in.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/aa1dd034c4fdac71f0a6068420a5a25f/tenor.gif?itemid=3786081

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 01:54 PM

What are the odds you'd guess that he's confirmed? I'm thinking at least 85%. Collins doesn't seem to give a shit and Corker, Flake, and Sasse are all talk.

What do you think the odds are her lies are exposed?

ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:07 PM

Not debating how the system works. I'm stating that the damage has been done. A stigma has been created regardless of the truth of the matter.

If not true, sure, it sucks. Realistically, however, he has more than just monetary solutions to this problem. A judge can order Ms Ford to write a retraction letter, and to disseminate it among the public. Snopes would carry it, I'm sure (snark comment for the lols).

Let me 'blame the alleged victim' here for a second: Brett Kavanaugh walked into this circus willingly. Unlike the alleged rape victim, he had a choice.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:08 PM

ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:11 PM

Unfair characterization. She's the one starting the circus.

Really? You never heard of Anita Hill? You need to go check Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing. This isn't even remotely new. Partisan politics are a completely different beast.

Naive to think this confirmation would be a breeze, especially with elections coming soon.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:12 PM

Really? You never heard of Anita Hill? You need to go check Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing. This isn't even remotely new. Partisan politics are a completely different beast.

Naive to think this confirmation would be a breeze, especially with elections coming soon.

Would have been no circus without her willingly being a cog, decades after the fact.

ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:18 PM

Would have been no circus without her willingly being a cog, decades after the fact.

There was circus since the hearing and prior to this allegation. Look up Corey Booker and Kamala Harris just on this forum alone.

Plus, she didn't introduce the allegation, another Senator did. Again, partisan politics at it's finest.

I'm sure an educated judge like him understood the risks he is/was taking. He had the option to decline the nomination, but choose to go through the mud. I still think it'll pay off for him.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:19 PM

There was circus since the hearing and prior to this allegation. Look up Corey Booker and Kamala Harris just on this forum alone.

Plus, she didn't introduce the allegation, another Senator did. Again, partisan politics at it's finest.

I'm sure an educated judge like him understood the risks he is/was taking. He had the option to decline the nomination, but choose to go through the mud. I still think it'll pay off for him.

That was nothing in comparison. That was just partisan posturing.

ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:22 PM

That was nothing in comparison. That was just partisan posturing.

It's all the same: a show for the court of public opinion. That's what political processes are, all about optics.

If we want to get to the nitty gritty and really find out what's 'true', you have to go through a formal process, ie: a trial.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:23 PM

It's all the same: a show for the court of public opinion. That's what political processes are, all about optics.

If we want to get to the nitty gritty and really find out what's 'true', you have to go through a formal process, ie: a trial.

It was on a partisan bickering level before. Painting someone as a sexual predator is beyond the pale. Just cos Dems have done it in the past doesn't mean it is to be "expected" or justified under "signed up for".

ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:30 PM

Naive.

Look, you're worried some people will have the wrong opinion that he's a rapist, because you've an opinion that she's a liar. That whole construction is entirely conjecture on both sides of the coin, based clearly on missing pieces of information.

It's character destruction at it's finest, played for the court of public opinion. This is no different than the Obama birther claims until a birth certificate came up.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:36 PM

Look, you're worried some people will have the wrong opinion that he's a rapist, because you've an opinion that she's a liar. That whole construction is entirely conjecture on both sides of the coin, based clearly on missing pieces of information.

It's character destruction at it's finest, played for the court of public opinion. This is no different than the Obama birther claims until a birth certificate came up.

I agree with you to a point on your opening. Your comparison is way off though. Americans have a right to know that their president is a citizen even regardless of whether the attacks were spurious or not. Sexual accusations is something else.

Cuck Ross

09-22-2018, 02:41 PM

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ElNono

09-22-2018, 02:46 PM

I agree with you to a point on your opening. Your comparison is way off though. Americans have a right to know that their president is a citizen even regardless of whether the attacks were spurious or not. Sexual accusations is something else.

There's nothing off about it. Exploiting the time between the explosive allegations are made until the matter is settled to influence the public is a tried and true strategy. In the birther case, they ended up looking like fools at the end of it all, but the chicanery lasted for a while, and clearly got some people excited.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 02:50 PM

There's nothing off about it. Exploiting the time between the explosive allegations are made until the matter is settled to influence the public is a tried and true strategy. In the birther case, they ended up looking like fools at the end of it all, but the chicanery lasted for a while, and clearly got some people excited.

Yea, they looked like fools cos Obama released a fake birth certificate. :lmao

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 02:51 PM

Yea, they looked like fools cos Obama released a fake birth certificate. :lmaoWait, you think Obama released a fake birth certificate?

cd98

09-22-2018, 02:59 PM

All is right. Ford will testify. If she fills in the holes with verifiable facts, then Kavanaugh has a chance to respond. Let’s get everyone under oath and let’s get all these he facts on the table so we can all stop speculating.

Hopefully both sides will be respectful to each person testifying and we can leave politics out of this. I doubt it, but I hope that is the case.

cd98

09-22-2018, 03:09 PM

If not true, sure, it sucks. Realistically, however, he has more than just monetary solutions to this problem. A judge can order Ms Ford to write a retraction letter, and to disseminate it among the public. Snopes would carry it, I'm sure (snark comment for the lols).

Let me 'blame the alleged victim' here for a second: Brett Kavanaugh walked into this circus willingly. Unlike the alleged rape victim, he had a choice.

They both chose to enter the public sphere. What will likely happen is that Ford won’t give any verifiable facts, but will give an emotional testimony that will be deemed by half the country to be credible. Kavanaugh will testify with aplomb and conviction and half the country will believe him. There will be no evidence. And it will be a tough vote for enough Senators to not make it a done deal. And regardless half the the country will act like Kavanaugh is a rapist for the rest of his life, which will be awkward given he has a lifetime appointment already as a federal judge. Half the country will think Ford lies. She’ll be despised by the right, but a hero of the left and she will become a big activist in politics. That’s my prediction.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 03:22 PM

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 03:24 PM

They both chose to enter the public sphere. What will likely happen is that Ford won’t give any verifiable facts, but will give an emotional testimony that will be deemed by half the country to be credible. Kavanaugh will testify with aplomb and conviction and half the country will believe him. There will be no evidence. And it will be a tough vote for enough Senators to not make it a done deal. And regardless half the the country will act like Kavanaugh is a rapist for the rest of his life, which will be awkward given he has a lifetime appointment already as a federal judge. Half the country will think Ford lies. She’ll be despised by the right, but a hero of the left and she will become a big activist in politics. That’s my prediction.

Not the bold prediction you think it is. That's pretty standard. Except the half vs. half thing is probably an overstated narrative that the media loves to sell. Truth is there's a helluva lot of apathy in a middle that is bigger than anything.

Spurs Homer

09-22-2018, 03:30 PM

Chris

09-22-2018, 03:36 PM

1043595923723554816

cd98

09-22-2018, 03:36 PM

except - no witness testimony & no fbi investigation - rigged

If Ford is serious, she’ll take up the Maryland police’s offer. We’ll see.

Spurs Homer

09-22-2018, 03:38 PM

If Ford is serious, she’ll take up the Maryland police’s offer. We’ll see.

she will
it will be on grassley

Chris

09-22-2018, 03:46 PM

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/katz-socialist-t-shirt-600x485.jpg
Fake rape lawyer Debra Katz is seen wearing radical socialist power fist t-shirt while calling for resistance against the Presidency.

Kim Jong-il

09-22-2018, 03:47 PM

Chris

09-22-2018, 04:12 PM

From Politico:

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said that “as soon as Democrats get gavels,” the party will vet the FBI’s handling of Ford’s claim against the Supreme Court nominee — even if Kavanaugh is already seated on the high court by that time. Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, also said in an interview that the party could probe Kavanaugh’s denials of the allegations against him.

“If they ramrod this nomination through, and we win the majority, we can still investigate this on the House side, and certainly the question as to whether a Supreme Court justice committed perjury is something you could look at,” Swalwell said in an interview. “Hopefully it doesn’t come to that; hopefully they do this right.”

“Because,” he added, “it’s going to get investigated either way and it would be better not to have to investigate a sitting judge.”