Brett Kavanaugh now under FBI investigation

[Pavlov]

Except that it wasn't new information. The Dems had it since July. But you get my point, I think.It is new information. Let the FBI investigate it. It won't take long and your side has nothing to hide.

[cd98]

Do you think the FBI will get different answers from all “witnesses”, who have stated they don’t know wtf Dr. Ford is talking about?

That's the big joke in all this. Somehow the FBI is supposed to make Ford remember everything again so they can start an investigation.

[cd98]

It is new information. Let the FBI investigate it. It won't take long and your side has nothing to hide.

Yes, I think it was the Dems that were hiding things.

[Pavlov]

Yes, I think it was the Dems that were hiding things.Great, then an FBI investigation will be even better for your side.

[boutons_deux]

Drudge Says Ronan Farrow and Jane Meyer Set to Break Report on Kavanaugh: ‘Another Woman?’

https://www.mediaite.com/online/drudge-says-ronan-farrow-and-jane-meyer-set-to-break-report-on-kavanaugh-another-woman/

[ducks]

Another never trumper ....
another lie

[ElNono]

I'm not saying she is definitively lying. She jusy has no proof. And the other people involved have made her no proof story even less valuable. There isn't a history of other no proof accusations either. The idea that this should eliminate him from this position is ridiculous.

My comments like that generally directed at a recent post by someone. It also captures a general reality though.

How can you tell she has no proof, or her story is non believable if you haven't even heard it yet? And, the fact that somebody would give her the benefit of the doubt until she tells her story doesn't automatically mean Kavanaugh is guilty of anything.

Jumping to conclusions serves no purpose. I think most people here agree that the odds her story derails his confirmation are extremely long.

[ElNono]

I actually like liberals very much. I was a minority in law school. The guys I know debate more honestly. You can differ on opinions and still be civil. I think I have been. I think we all have bias whether we acknowledge it or not. I hold Ford to a preponderance of evidence standard, which is what she’d be required to prove if she sued Kavanaugh in civil court. It’s a lower standard than a criminal standard. It’s basically does the evidence make it more likely than not that she was assaulted by Kavanaugh. And I think at this point, Ford can’t come close to that standard.

So while you may call me whatever you want, I have a standard that I use that is tried and true. I know, I know, this isn’t a court of law. But Kavanaugh has been accused of a crime and there must be some standard. If someone thinks I’m wrong, then explain your standard and explain why mine is biased and your stanard isn’t. That’s not directed at Nono, it’s at anyone.

And My position is Ford has no evidence from what I know, but I’m open to reconsider if she fills the gaps or gets some other evidence that can support her claim. I think a non verifiable accusation isn’t sufficient to keep someone off the bench.

My impression based on your posts in this thread, is certainly mine, and I'll readily admit it's a small sample. Plus, I actually encourage people that have an opinion, even if it's not my own, there's nothing wrong with that.

Heck, playing devil's advocate, even if it's not a position I hold, can be entertaining and a rich experience too. So if you felt that was a personal attack, I can assure you it was not.

I'm also in agreement with your last paragraph. And I think it's important to highlight (again) the fact that you're not against giving Ms Ford the benefit of the doubt, even if you personally feel the most likely outcome is that she can't prove the claim.

[ElNono]

An FBI investigation will take easily at least a month, if not more. Time just doesn't work out, IMO.

What an FBI investigation would've prevented is the public circus.

[Cry Havoc]

I disagree - imho, that bolded statement is an opinion (not fact) - yours, not mine.

You see cd98 as biased. (In this thread), I see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

OTOH, I see CryHavoc as biased (in this thread). Maybe you see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

BTW, I try to disassociate posts from posters - easier to not hold grudges/remember past disagreements. Of course, this is easier for some than others.

Might I remind you that ducks - if, as you imply, is without a brain - was the only one on this board who correctly believed that Trump would win that election.

I admit to being biased. When did I ever say that I wasn't?

Someone who admits and is aware of their bias is far more intellectually honest than someone who says they're unbiased when they're far from it.

cd98 is more reasonable than many of the right wing posters in this thread but he does not appear to be in any way even close to neutral. I laud him for being able to actually hold a conversation but I would still put him solidly on the red side of the spectrum. If there's someone in the thread that approaches neutral IMO it's ElNono -- But I don't know about his political leanings, I'm just surmising from his posts here.

[boutons_deux]

According to the New Yorker:


As Senate Republicans press for a swift vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, Senate Democrats are investigating a new allegation of sexual misconduct against Kavanaugh.

The claim dates to the 1983-84 academic school year, when Kavanaugh was a freshman at Yale University.

The offices of at least four Democratic senators have received information about the allegation, and at least two have begun investigating it.

Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week

and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh’s nomination.

Soon after, Senate Republicans issued renewed calls to accelerate the timing of a committee vote. :lol

The Democratic Senate offices reviewing the allegations believe that they merit further investigation.

“This is another serious, credible, and disturbing allegation against Brett Kavanagh.

It should be fully investigated,” Senator Mazie Hirono, of Hawaii, said.

An aide in one of the other Senate offices added, “These allegations seem credible, and we’re taking them very seriously. If established, they’re clearly disqualifying.”


After six days of consulting with her attorney and going over her recollections,

Deborah Ramirez

says that “she remembers

Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party,

thrust his penis in her face, and

caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away,”

according to the New Yorker report.

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/breaking-new-yorker-reports-senate-democrats-investigating-another-kavanaugh-allegation/

Godly Jesuit education

[djohn2oo8]

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[rmt]

An FBI investigation will take easily at least a month, if not more. Time just doesn't work out, IMO.

What an FBI investigation would've prevented is the public circus.

I disagree on the circus. That's sure to bring up questions of who (and how) in the FBI is investigating - shades of Hillary's email investigation.

[Cry Havoc]

An FBI investigation will take easily at least a month, if not more. Time just doesn't work out, IMO.

What an FBI investigation would've prevented is the public circus.

Man, if only they had actually vetted him properly, maybe they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff now.

How much do you wanna bet the GOP either knew nothing of the "100 keg quest", or they figured they could ram it through before anyone got wind of it?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Cry Havoc]

1044012345771610112

Oof. Not looking good for Kavanaugh.

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Michael Avenatti: ‘I Represent a Woman with Credible Information Regarding Judge Kavanaugh’

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/michael-avenatti-i-represent-a-woman-with-credible-information-regarding-judge-kavanaugh/

When It Rains, It SHITS! :lol

[Winehole23]

How much do you wanna bet the GOP either knew nothing of the "100 keg quest", or they figured they could ram it through before anyone got wind of it?I bet you they knew about it. Preppy overindulgence hardly comes as a surprise.

Would that be disqualifying for you?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Cry Havoc]

I bet you they knew about it. Preppy overindulgence hardly comes as a surprise.

Would that be disqualifying for you?

No, partying wouldn't be, but it should at least raise some eyebrows and at least give them pause. Vetters are supposed to dig into that kind of thing and pull out anything that might cause this kind of clusterfuck during a nomination. Now they're caught with their pants down, and they look incredibly sloppy. If they can't nominate a SC Justice properly it calls into question their leadership skills. This should have been the stone cold lock of the Presidency. Instead, here we are.

[Nathan89]

How can you tell she has no proof, or her story is non believable if you haven't even heard it yet? And, the fact that somebody would give her the benefit of the doubt until she tells her story doesn't automatically mean Kavanaugh is guilty of anything.

Jumping to conclusions serves no purpose. I think most people here agree that the odds her story derails his confirmation are extremely long.

Isn't her story already circulated via a letter? I've certainly read that. Which is not unbelievable but I'm not going to factor it in if she doesn't have proof. Which is something she will not have. Everyone else involved already made me doubt the event even more.

I'm not speculating on those odds. I could easily see optics detailing the nomination despite there not being anything of substance coming out. I mean the smear campaign is pretty thick from the lowlifes. Like the Dem Sen who has determined his guilt based off his decisions as a judge. So this story without proof could easily derail him.

[boutons_deux]

"they look incredibly sloppy. "

in whatever vetting, K would have denied, hidden everything, putting the vetters in a position of considering him a liar.

If Avenatti's victim goes public, that would be the 3rd strike for K.

But, with Repugs, 15+ women on video exposing Trash as sexual predator didn't stop him.

[DarrinS]

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[Reck]

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LOL

[Reck]

1044014247905234944

Holy shit.

He's not going to make it to the hearing. Bye bitch

[DarrinS]

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[Reck]

1044014167240462336

Darrin first to semen shield. Literally.

[Kim Jong-il]

Darrin first to semen shield. Literally.
True to form.

[rmt]

At this rate, no man will ever get on the SC again. Line up Amy.

[Nathan89]

Man, if only they had actually vetted him properly, maybe they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff now.

How much do you wanna bet the GOP either knew nothing of the "100 keg quest", or they figured they could ram it through before anyone got wind of it?

Dems were sitting on it for months. Let's blame the GOP. If things get "rushed" you have the Dems to blame.

[Pavlov]

An FBI investigation will take easily at least a month, if not more. Time just doesn't work out, IMO.

What an FBI investigation would've prevented is the public circus.
It took three days for them to investigate Anita Hill's claims.

[DarrinS]

Lol



She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

Man, Darrin sure finds sexual assault funny.

[Nathan89]

Seems there has been enough time for lowlifes to find people to spin a story. If you recall the same spin was used to discredit Bernie's involvement in civil Rights protests. Of course this could be true but it's difficult to trust when you know their techniques tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

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[rmt]

Hope all you guys who did any drinking in your first year of college don't get into politics/public office - this is gonna even out that gender ratio in Congress.

[Nathan89]

Lol

After six days of political pressure. The delay is paying off folks.

[Pavlov]

Hope all you guys who did any drinking in your first year of college don't get into politics/public office - this is gonna even out that gender ratio in Congress.That's what you're afraid of?

:lol

[Nathan89]

Hope all you guys who did any drinking in your first year of college don't get into politics/public office - this is gonna even out that gender ratio in Congress.

It's going even regardless based on demonization men and applying victim/virtue/minority status to women.

[Pavlov]

It's going even regardless based on demonization men and applying victim/virtue/minority status to women.Do you feel demonized, Nathan?

[elbamba]

Great, then an FBI investigation will be even better for your side.

Not really. Just a waste of time and money. Best to move on with a vote.

[rmt]

That's what you're afraid of?

:lol

What am I afraid of and why do you think I'm afraid of that?

[DarrinS]

Someone feels left out

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[Nathan89]

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But just enough for Dems to spin. They were spinning a photo of Bernie at a civil Rights protest as another person. They just wanted to blur the topic so he couldn't possibly win more black votes.

[Pavlov]

Not really. Just a waste of time and money. Best to move on with a vote.WE NEED TO RUSH BEFORE WE FIND OUT THE TRUTH

[Pavlov]

What am I afraid of and why do you think I'm afraid of that?You're the one ranting about women and drinking.

[elbamba]

An FBI investigation will take easily at least a month, if not more. Time just doesn't work out, IMO.

What an FBI investigation would've prevented is the public circus.

Except they had an investigation and Fienstien decided to wait until after the investigation to disclose the info. Perhaps she was waiting for more evidence to come forward before making the claim, but that evidence does never seemed to come forward. From what I can see at least.

[Pavlov]

Someone feels left out

1044006928416825344lol Darrin's following that guy hard.

[elbamba]

WE NEED TO RUSH BEFORE WE FIND OUT THE TRUTH

Spot on.

[Pavlov]

Spot on.lol you guys are so terrified of investigations now that you're in complete control of government.

[boutons_deux]

ST rightwingnutjobs proclaiming blatantly their toxic white male supremacy.

[rmt]

You're the one ranting about women and drinking.

Why should that bother me? No one can accuse me of sexual harassment or being drunk.

[djohn2oo8]

Lots of triggered in here

[Pavlov]

Why should that bother me? No one can accuse me of sexual harassment or being drunk.Then I don't know why you're ranting. Persecution by proxy is good enough for Republicans.

[Pavlov]

Lots of triggered in hereNo shit. Never seen them mobilize like this on a Sunday night.

[djohn2oo8]

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[elbamba]

lol you guys are so terrified of investigations now that you're in complete control of government.

Absolutely terrified. Just confirm him before November.

[Winehole23]

just gonna throw this out there. according to one survey around three out of four women sexually assaulted in 2017 did not report it to the police.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sexual-assault-victims/

[DarrinS]

No shit. Never seen them mobilize like this on a Sunday night.

And yet, you are here. Meh, you’re always here.

[rmt]

Then I don't know why you're ranting. Persecution by proxy is good enough for Republicans.

It's you guys who have reason to be afraid.

Your idea of ranting is my idea of a comment.

[DarrinS]

just gonna throw this out there. according to one survey around three out of four women sexually assaulted in 2017 did not report it to the police.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sexual-assault-victims/


All the proof I need. Thanks. :tu

[Pavlov]

And yet, you are here. Meh, you’re always here.I was not mobilized to laugh at sexual assault.

You were.

[Winehole23]

it's not offered as proof of anything, Darrin.

[Pavlov]

It's you guys who have reason to be afraid.

Your idea of ranting is my idea of a comment.You've been going on about it for awhile.

I have nothing to worry about. I didn't and don't sexually assault anyone.

[Pavlov]

All the proof I need. Thanks. :tuYour immediate ridicule of them is part of the reason they don't report, Darrin.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AG_Conservative/status/1044015128201629696?s=20

[Winehole23]

maybe have a little compassion and understanding for people who come forward of their tales of being raped and attacked long after the fact. statistically, it happens to 1 out of 6 US women sometime during their lives.

[rmt]

You've been going on about it for awhile.

I have nothing to worry about. I didn't and don't sexually assault anyone.

BK probably says the same thing and look at the hot water he's in - is my point.

[Winehole23]

if you don't believe it, ask the women in your lives.

[djohn2oo8]

maybe have a little compassion and understanding for people who come forward of their tales of being raped and attacked long after the fact. statistically, it happens to 1 out of 6 US women sometime during their lives.
And many of them go unreported

[Nathan89]

Your immediate ridicule of them is part of the reason they don't report, Darrin.

Not only do the not report but they don't tell anyone for decades.

[Pavlov]

Wow, men are lining up to attack these women. Lots of pent up feelings.

[Spurs Homer]

Doesn't every Republican boy thrust his schlong in the face of unwitting women?
Nothing to see here - no need for and fbi investigation amirite, repubes?

[baseline bum]

Oof. Not looking good for Kavanaugh.

Why? You think Collins is going to vote him down?

[Pavlov]

Not only do the not report but they don't tell anyone for decades.Yes, your being a complete asshole about it is part of the reason.

[ElNono]

I disagree on the circus. That's sure to bring up questions of who (and how) in the FBI is investigating - shades of Hillary's email investigation.

The smearing of the FBI is ridiculous and unwarranted, IMO. There's zero basis to conclude they did anything wrong with that particular investigation (and I'm not even defending Hillary here).

They conduct hundreds of investigations in any given year, most of them to the highest standards. They're not perfect and they're not angels, but this idea that they're not competent to carry out investigations is ridiculous.

And yes, it would've avoided the public hearing circus. The FBI conduct their investigations in private, then announce the results publicly.

[Nathan89]

maybe have a little compassion and understanding for people who come forward of their tales of being raped and attacked long after the fact. statistically, it happens to 1 out of 6 US women sometime during their lives.

Yeah, that's a bullshit statistic.

[Reck]

Someone feels left out

1044006928416825344

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1044032678951960576

How hard are you laughing now, faggot?

Avenattied.

[Pavlov]

Why? You think Collins is going to vote him down?I think they are willing to die on Kavanaugh Hill.

[boutons_deux]

"This is straight up character assassination with no pauses at this point."

:lol

Ask the ox Anita Hill how it feels to be gored.

You people are such hypocrites.

Y'all got repulsive sexual predator Clarence (Uncle) Thomas seated after goring Anita Hill

Times have changed. You rightwing men retrogrades haven't . G F Y :lol

K is goin' down :lol

[ElNono]

Man, if only they had actually vetted him properly, maybe they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff now.

How much do you wanna bet the GOP either knew nothing of the "100 keg quest", or they figured they could ram it through before anyone got wind of it?

It's very likely the FBI did vet him properly. It's not what you'd like to hear, but it's certainly the most likely possibility.

[rmt]

maybe have a little compassion and understanding for people who come forward of their tales of being raped and attacked long after the fact. statistically, it happens to 1 out of 6 US women sometime during their lives.

So just who is doing this to 1 out of 6 US women? Serial rapists or is that an indictment (is that the right word) on the male sex?

[baseline bum]

So Franken is guilty because there were multiple accusers but Kavanuagh gets the benefit of the doubt thanks to the Magic R?

[Winehole23]

Not only do the not report but they don't tell anyone for decades.news flash: sexual assault is painful for the victims, who face social stigma, mistrust, ostracism and reflexive cruelty. no wonder so many keep it to themselves.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/09/21/rape-arlington-girls-life-ruined-name-trashed-leave-us-ashamed

[Pavlov]

BK probably says the same thing and look at the hot water he's in - is my point.He probably shouldn't have done it then.

[Pavlov]

So just who is doing this to 1 out of 6 US women? Serial rapists or is that an indictment (is that the right word) on the male sex?Males are doing it.

Not all males.

But males.

[rmt]

He probably shouldn't have done it then.

You are assuming that he did it.

[Kim Jong-il]

Hope all you guys who did any drinking in your first year of college don't get into politics/public office - this is gonna even out that gender ratio in Congress.
I did a fuckton of drinking in college, and also managed to not rape anybody.

[Pavlov]

It's very likely the FBI did vet him properly. It's not what you'd like to hear, but it's certainly the most likely possibility.Yep, nowhere on the questionnaire is there "You been rapin'?"

[rmt]

Males are doing it.

Not all males.

But males.

So, say 1 out of 6 US men? So if you don't/didn't do it - maybe 1 of your 5 male relatives or friends?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, that's a bullshit statistic.comes from here

[Pavlov]

You are assuming that he did it.You are assuming all these women are lying because....?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, that's a bullshit statistic.comes from here

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245

[Winehole23]

you say it's bullshit.

on what basis?

[Pavlov]

So, say 1 out of 6 US men? So if you don't/didn't do it - maybe 1 of your 5 male relatives or friends?I didn't say 1 out of 6 men.

Where did you get that figure?

Post your source.

[Winehole23]

are you suggesting rape and sexual assault are underreported, Nathan89?

[DarrinS]

I did a fuckton of drinking in college, and also managed to not rape anybody.

Neither did K

[Nathan89]

Yes, your being a complete asshole about it is part of the reason.

Yes, me being an "asshole" is the reason she didn't tell her college girl friends who remained friends even after college. Friends that don't even believe the story. But of course you gobbled it up.

[baseline bum]

I did a fuckton of drinking in college, and also managed to not rape anybody.

Kavanaugh is like Ziggy from The Wire.

[Pavlov]

Yes, me being an "asshole" is the reason she didn't tell her college girl friends who remained friends even after college. Friends that don't even believe the story. But of course you gobbled it up.Yes, assholes like you are part of the reason crimes go underreported.

And you're doing it to pwn the libs.

[Kim Jong-il]

Neither did K
True to form.

[rmt]

I didn't say 1 out of 6 men.

Where did you get that figure?

Post your source.

I'm just using the corresponding male (from the 1 of 6 women) ratio. Or maybe 1 of 12 or 1 of 24? My point is some one is doing it - probably someone YOU or I know (given the high percentage of women).

[Spurs Homer]

Nothing to see here - the sexual assaulter in chief sees absolutely nothing wrong with a few women making up lies.

[Pavlov]

I'm just using the corresponding male (from the 1 of 6 women) ratio. Or maybe 1 of 12 or 1 of 24? My point is some one is doing it - probably someone YOU or I know (given the high percentage of women).I would say that these kinds of men would rarely stop at one victim.

And yes, you probably know some as do I. What of it?

[ElNono]

Isn't her story already circulated via a letter? I've certainly read that. Which is not unbelievable but I'm not going to factor it in if she doesn't have proof. Which is something she will not have. Everyone else involved already made me doubt the event even more.

I'm not speculating on those odds. I could easily see optics detailing the nomination despite there not being anything of substance coming out. I mean the smear campaign is pretty thick from the lowlifes. Like the Dem Sen who has determined his guilt based off his decisions as a judge. So this story without proof could easily derail him.

So why are you pinning people that have as much doubts as you do as having different standards? You go around here claiming people that don't think she's a liar automatically mean they think Kavanaugh is guilty. It's not a black and white situation.

[Winehole23]

I'm just using the corresponding male (from the 1 of 6 women) ratio. Or maybe 1 of 12 or 1 of 24? My point is some one is doing it - probably someone YOU or I know (given the high percentage of women).some info about perps here. RAINN uses the NCVS database as the basis for their stats and graphs:

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence

[Winehole23]

Perpetrators of rape are often serial criminals.


Out of every 1,000 suspected rape perpetrators referred to prosecutors:7

370 have at least one prior felony conviction, including 100 who have 5 or more
520 will be released—either because they posted bail or for other reasons—while awaiting trial
70 of the released perpetrators will be arrested for committing another crime before their case is decided

[Nathan89]

you say it's bullshit.

on what basis?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html?utm_term=.4380775f2b33

Here you go stop spreading that bullshit statistic.

[ElNono]

It took three days for them to investigate Anita Hill's claims.

Anita Hill was interviewed by the FBI privately before the confirmation hearing. Remember her interview with the FBI is what leaked, which prompted for the eventual public hearing.

[Winehole23]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html?utm_term=.4380775f2b33

Here you go stop spreading that bullshit statistic.lol you didn't read your own debunk.

I didn't post the CDC figure. I posted the official NCVS stat, which isn't challenged in the article.


(correction: the CDC study Christina Hoff Sommers attacked citing a 1 out of 3 or 4 ratio was released in 2012; the one I referenced was a CDC study from 1998 citing a 1 in 6 ratio, which is roughly consistent with 13.7 million "extra victims" she complains of in the 2012 study. I misread the footnotes first time through.)

[Pavlov]

Anita Hill was interviewed by the FBI privately before the confirmation hearing. Remember her interview with the FBI is what leaked, which prompted for the eventual public hearing.So add the interview time to the subsequent investigation and you get what?

[Nathan89]

So just who is doing this to 1 out of 6 US women? Serial rapists or is that an indictment (is that the right word) on the male sex?

Nobody. It was a bullshit activist driven study. Look at the below article to see the nonsense behind this number.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html?utm_term=.4380775f2b33

[Winehole23]

lol still ranting with your head cut off

[Pavlov]

Nobody.So now no woman has ever been raped in the US by a man.

This is where you are.

[ElNono]

I'm just using the corresponding male (from the 1 of 6 women) ratio. Or maybe 1 of 12 or 1 of 24? My point is some one is doing it - probably someone YOU or I know (given the high percentage of women).

I think you're really confused. The statistic is not that 1 out f 6 women in the totality of the US women population got raped. It's that 1 out of 6 women that were raped end up reporting it.

Meaning, only about 18% of actual rapes end up getting reported.

[rmt]

I think you're really confused. The statistic is not that 1 out f 6 women in the totality of the US women population got raped. It's that 1 out of 6 women that were raped end up reporting it.

Meaning, only about 18% of actual rapes end up getting reported.

Sorry, my bad.

[ElNono]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html?utm_term=.4380775f2b33

Here you go stop spreading that bullshit statistic.

Did you read what you linked? The numbers included in it actually back up the contention that rape go grossly unreported (under 50% of them).

[DarrinS]

Why does the word rape keep getting thrown around?

[Pavlov]

Nathan has to argue against the very existence of rape as a thing to protect a political appointment.

[boutons_deux]

How will Trash tweet this?

[ElNono]

Why does the word rape keep getting thrown around?

We were discussing rape statistics. How would you want us to call that?

[Nathan89]

news flash: sexual assault is painful for the victims, who face social stigma, mistrust, ostracism and reflexive cruelty. no wonder so many keep it to themselves.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/09/21/rape-arlington-girls-life-ruined-name-trashed-leave-us-ashamed

Well don't blame others when nobody believes you when you decide to tell your drunken story right before someone is about to get a prestigious position in life. There is motive for people to lie. She didn't even tell her friends. She was drunk and now after pondering her memory is back. Not even her friends trust her at this point. So if you want to be biased then trust the story. I'm sure many people trusted that story the DNC string pullers ran about Bernie not being in civil rights protest. Even denying that a picture of him was actually him. That happens because there reason to cloud the waters. Combine everything and it's not really a trustworthy incident.

[boutons_deux]

100Ks of EVIDENCE rape kits unprocessed nationwide

Toxic male law enforcement doesn't take women and rape seriously.

[Cry Havoc]

Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh’s nomination. Soon after, Senate Republicans issued renewed calls to accelerate the timing of a committee vote.

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

[Winehole23]

Well don't blame others when nobody believes you when you decide to tell your drunken story right before someone is about to get a prestigious position in life. There is motive for people to lie. She didn't even tell her friends. She was drunk and now after pondering her memory is back. Not even her friends trust her at this point. So if you want to be biased then trust the story. I'm sure many people trusted that story the DNC string pullers ran about Bernie not being in civil rights protest. Even denying that a picture of him was actually him. That happens because there reason to cloud the waters. Combine everything and it's not really a trustworthy incident.you seem to have an axe to grind with women who disclose past sexual assaults. maybe you should reflect on why that is.

[rmt]

The smearing of the FBI is ridiculous and unwarranted, IMO. There's zero basis to conclude they did anything wrong with that particular investigation (and I'm not even defending Hillary here).

They conduct hundreds of investigations in any given year, most of them to the highest standards. They're not perfect and they're not angels, but this idea that they're not competent to carry out investigations is ridiculous.

And yes, it would've avoided the public hearing circus. The FBI conduct their investigations in private, then announce the results publicly.

I am speaking of highly politicized investigations where either side have interest in. You don't think there was anything wrong with the immunity handed out to Hillary people, to the smashing of cel phones and bleach bitting of computers, the writing exoneration letter before subject was interviewed?

[Pavlov]

you seem to have an axe to grind with women who disclose past sexual assaults. maybe you should reflect on why that is.He hates women because Bernie wasn't actually a Democrat or something.

[Winehole23]

makes sense

[Pavlov]

Hillary*ding*

[boutons_deux]

Michael Avenatti Has Multiple Witnesses That

Brett Kavanaugh Participated In Gang Rapes

Attorney Michael Avenatti has multiple witnesses willing to testify that Brett Kavanaugh and Mark Judge participated in the drugging and gang raping of women at DC house parties in the 1980s.

Avenatti released his email to Mike Davis, Chief Counsel for Nominations for U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary which gave details on the new allegations:

<email image>

it is about to get so much worse for Republicans.

The new witnesses should be enough to sink Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination. (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/23/michael-avenatti-says-he-represents-a-second-woman-with-info-on-brett-kavanaugh.html) If any of these gang rapes happened in Maryland, that state has no statute of limitations on rape and sexual assault.

This is information that must be delivered to the American people. Any other victims, witnesses, or representatives of these individuals can not sit by and let Chuck Grassley and the Republican men on the Senate Judiciary Committee push through the nomination (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/23/trump-new-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-allegations.html) of a potential sexual predator to the Supreme Court.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/23/michael-avenatti-kavanaugh-gang-rapes.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

:lol :lol :lol Fucking America! What's Not to Ridicule? :lol

[Spurtacular]

*ding*

:lol Defense mechanism

[Pavlov]

:lol Defense mechanism:lol only here to talk about me.

[boutons_deux]

‘They treated women like meat’: Mark Judge’s college girlfriend calls him out for down-playing Georgetown Prep culture

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/treated-women-like-meat-mark-judges-college-girlfriend-calls-playing-georgetown-prep-culture/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Remember the Yale yell? "No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal" :lol

[DarrinS]

He looks like the gang rape type, tbh. Thanks Avenatti

[Spurtacular]

:lol only here to talk about me.

We can talk about Hillary.

[ElNono]

I am speaking of highly politicized investigations where either side have interest in. You don't think there was anything wrong with the immunity handed out to Hillary people, to the smashing of cel phones and bleach bitting of computers, the writing exoneration letter before subject was interviewed?

The FBI has only been doing their job for 110 years, including vetting candidates to all sorts of political positions. They're obviously not infallible, no institution is, but we can certainly ascertain that the number of scandals during that tenure has been infinitesimal.

As far as that investigation, or any other, I don't have any reason or fact to mistrust their judgement. I can have an opinion of whether something is right or wrong, but an opinion doesn't a fact make. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

[Nathan89]

you seem to have an axe to grind with women who disclose past sexual assaults. maybe you should reflect on why that is.

No, I'm just not going to go off their word to harm someone else. I displayed very clearly why that is the case and you reduced it to "axe to grind with women". That's a ridiculous statement to make after a comment explaining the many factors involved.

[Pavlov]

We can talk about Hillary.Sure, what do you want to say about Hillary for distraction purposes in the Kavanaugh thread?

[boutons_deux]

"the immunity handed out to Hillary people"

:lol

[Nathan89]

comes from here

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245


“CDC: Nearly 1 in 5 Women Raped (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/07/cdc-rape-women-statistics/15239361/).” “One in Five U.S. Women Has Been Raped: CDC Survey (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-05/one-in-five-u-s-women-has-been-raped-cdc-survey-shows.html).” These alarming headlines were typical of the coverage of last week’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm) on sexual and intimate violence in the United States. The CDC study—the second in two years (http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf)—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.
Both critics (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html) and supporters (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119364/cdcs-report-one-five-women-raped-other-statistics-disagree) of the CDC’s methodology note the striking disparity between CDC figures and the Justice Department’s crime statistics based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (which includes crimes unreported to the police). While the CDC estimates that nearly 2 million adult American women were raped in 2011 and nearly 6.7 million suffered some other form of sexual violence, the NCVS estimate for that year was 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults.

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Can you explain this article? The cdc concluded 1 in 5 women have been raped in the US. In order to come to that number they calculated in 2011 that 2mil women were raped and 6.7 million suffered from other sexual violence. Then they use your source that states there was only 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults that year which is 8.5 million less than the CDC but you are claiming 1 in 6 women have still been raped? So I'm not sure how that difference can exist and the end result be the same. Also if you don't mind taking a screen shot of where your source says 1 in 6 women that would be great.

[Nathan89]

Nathan has to argue against the very existence of rape as a thing to protect a political appointment.

Strawman

[Pavlov]

StrawmanYou said there were no men who raped women. It was stupid, but that was what you said.

[DarrinS]

People pretending this isn’t 100% political

[Nathan89]

Did you read what you linked? The numbers included in it actually back up the contention that rape go grossly unreported (under 50% of them).

I wasn't commenting on that.

[Pavlov]

People pretending this isn’t 100% politicalSo all the women are definitely lying, Darrin?

[Nathan89]

You said there were no men who raped women. It was stupid, but that was what you said.

No, I was stating nobody because the numbers are inflated. Therefore the difference would be "nobody".

[Nathan89]

Probably a miscommunication there but that was what I was stating.

[boutons_deux]

K is telling the truth

Ford, other women, etc are lying

rape stats are "fake news"

All y'all been paying close attention how to emulate your hero sexual abuser Trash

[Winehole23]

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Can you explain this article? The cdc concluded 1 in 5 women have been raped in the US. In order to come to that number they calculated in 2011 that 2mil women were raped and 6.7 million suffered from other sexual violence. Then they use your source that states there was only 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults that year which is 8.5 million less than the CDC but you are claiming 1 in 6 women have still been raped? So I'm not sure how that difference can exist and the end result be the same. Also if you don't mind taking a screen shot of where your source says 1 in 6 women that would be great.given definitional problems, survey related limitations and significant underreporting, these figures are always going to be contentious, and it's probably a mistake to be doctrinaire about this figure or that.

as I mentioned upstream, I thought the RAINN figure was derived from NVCS figures alone; I was mistaken about that.

it's also clear that you minimized the degree of underreporting alluded to in the Sommers article.

I'll accept that these figures aren't cut and dried after looking at them a bit more carefully. Will you?

[Nathan89]

K is telling the truth

Ford, other women, etc are lying

rape stats are "fake news"

All y'all been paying close attention how to emulate your hero sexual abuser Trash

“CDC: Nearly 1 in 5 Women Raped (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/07/cdc-rape-women-statistics/15239361/).” “One in Five U.S. Women Has Been Raped: CDC Survey (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-05/one-in-five-u-s-women-has-been-raped-cdc-survey-shows.html).” These alarming headlines were typical of the coverage of last week’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm) on sexual and intimate violence in the United States. The CDC study—the second in two years (http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf)—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.
Both critics (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html) and supporters (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119364/cdcs-report-one-five-women-raped-other-statistics-disagree) of the CDC’s methodology note the striking disparity between CDC figures and the Justice Department’s crime statistics based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (which includes crimes unreported to the police). While the CDC estimates that nearly 2 million adult American women were raped in 2011 and nearly 6.7 million suffered some other form of sexual violence, the NCVS estimate for that year was 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults.


http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Can you explain this article? The cdc concluded 1 in 5 women have been raped in the US. In order to come to that number they calculated in 2011 that 2mil women were raped and 6.7 million suffered from other sexual violence. Then they use your source that states there was only 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults that year which is 8.5 million less than the CDC but you are claiming 1 in 6 women have still been raped? So I'm not sure how that difference can exist and the end result be the same. Also if you don't mind taking a screen shot of where your source says 1 in 6 women that would be great.

[DarrinS]

So all the women are definitely lying, Darrin?

Not anyone’s job to prove they are lying.

[Winehole23]

at any rate, by whatever figures one chooses as authoritative, sexual assault is a prevalent public safety issue affecting millions of women in any given generation in the US.

[Pavlov]

“CDC: Nearly 1 in 5 Women Raped (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/07/cdc-rape-women-statistics/15239361/).” “One in Five U.S. Women Has Been Raped: CDC Survey (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-05/one-in-five-u-s-women-has-been-raped-cdc-survey-shows.html).” These alarming headlines were typical of the coverage of last week’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm) on sexual and intimate violence in the United States. The CDC study—the second in two years (http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf)—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.
Both critics (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html) and supporters (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119364/cdcs-report-one-five-women-raped-other-statistics-disagree) of the CDC’s methodology note the striking disparity between CDC figures and the Justice Department’s crime statistics based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (which includes crimes unreported to the police). While the CDC estimates that nearly 2 million adult American women were raped in 2011 and nearly 6.7 million suffered some other form of sexual violence, the NCVS estimate for that year was 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults.


http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Can you explain this article? The cdc concluded 1 in 5 women have been raped in the US. In order to come to that number they calculated in 2011 that 2mil women were raped and 6.7 million suffered from other sexual violence. Then they use your source that states there was only 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults that year which is 8.5 million less than the CDC but you are claiming 1 in 6 women have still been raped? So I'm not sure how that difference can exist and the end result be the same. Also if you don't mind taking a screen shot of where your source says 1 in 6 women that would be great.What is your number that you find reliable?

[Nathan89]

given definitional problems, survey related limitations and significant underreporting, these figures are always going to be contentious, and it's probably a mistake to be doctrinaire about this figure or that.

as I mentioned upstream, I thought the RAINN figure was derived from NVCS figures alone; I was mistaken about that.

it's also clear that you minimized the degree of underreporting alluded to in the Sommers article.

I'll accept that these figures aren't cut and dried after looking at them a bit more carefully. Will you?

I was always aware that rapes go underreported.

They may not be "cut and dried" but 1 int 6 is a far cry from reality.

[Pavlov]

I was always aware that rapes go underreported.

They may not be "cut and dried" but 1 int 6 is a far cry from reality.OK, what number do you go with?

[ElNono]

“CDC: Nearly 1 in 5 Women Raped (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/07/cdc-rape-women-statistics/15239361/).” “One in Five U.S. Women Has Been Raped: CDC Survey (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-05/one-in-five-u-s-women-has-been-raped-cdc-survey-shows.html).” These alarming headlines were typical of the coverage of last week’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm) on sexual and intimate violence in the United States. The CDC study—the second in two years (http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf)—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.
Both critics (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html) and supporters (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119364/cdcs-report-one-five-women-raped-other-statistics-disagree) of the CDC’s methodology note the striking disparity between CDC figures and the Justice Department’s crime statistics based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (which includes crimes unreported to the police). While the CDC estimates that nearly 2 million adult American women were raped in 2011 and nearly 6.7 million suffered some other form of sexual violence, the NCVS estimate for that year was 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults.


http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Can you explain this article? The cdc concluded 1 in 5 women have been raped in the US. In order to come to that number they calculated in 2011 that 2mil women were raped and 6.7 million suffered from other sexual violence. Then they use your source that states there was only 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults that year which is 8.5 million less than the CDC but you are claiming 1 in 6 women have still been raped? So I'm not sure how that difference can exist and the end result be the same. Also if you don't mind taking a screen shot of where your source says 1 in 6 women that would be great.

I can explain it. The response is in the Time article you linked.

[Winehole23]

They may not be "cut and dried" but 1 int 6 is a far cry from reality.I don't believe you've shown that. You've just shown discrepancies between studies.

You haven't shown why one figure should be more trustworthy than another.

To be perfectly honest, I don't believe I could do it either.

[ElNono]

The CDC study includes what women feel is forced sex even with a known person. I can see how some people would argue that's not rape.

[Nathan89]

What is your number that you find reliable?

I'm not sure the percentage but you can see the difference in raw numbers there. 8.5mil vs 238k. The 8.5mil from the CDC is a laughable report. That same article mentions that there study shows that men are raped by women more than women are raped by men. That's because they use a stupid definition of rape. I will say every time someone say 1 in 5(or 3,4,6) you can automatically say those numbers are bullshit. Which is what I did in this case. The CDC uses an atrocious study to conclude 1 in 5 so anything in that ballpark is automatically way off.

[Winehole23]

The CDC study includes what women feel is forced sex even with a known person. I can see how some people would argue that's not rape.definition is a pain in the neck

[Nathan89]

I don't believe you've shown that. You've just shown discrepancies between studies.

You haven't shown why one figure should be more trustworthy than another.

To be perfectly honest, I don't believe I could do it either.

I'm not sure the percentage but you can see the difference in raw numbers there. 8.5mil vs 238k. The 8.5mil from the CDC is a laughable report. That same article mentions that there study shows that men are raped by women more than women are raped by men. That's because they use a stupid definition of rape. I will say every time someone say 1 in 5(or 3,4,6) you can automatically say those numbers are bullshit. Which is what I did in this case. The CDC uses an atrocious study to conclude 1 in 5 so anything in that ballpark is automatically way off.

[Pavlov]

Well if it keeps us from talking about the Kavanaugh situation it can't be all bad.

[ElNono]

definition is a pain in the neck

It's all in the questions. They don't ask if they were forced to have sex, but if they had sex when they didn't feel like having sex. Then count that as 'rape'.

That said, one thing shouldn't invalidate the other. Even the more conservative stat on rape shows it goes widely unreported, which is pretty alarming.

[Winehole23]

I'm not sure the percentage but you can see the difference in raw numbers there. 8.5mil vs 238k. The 8.5mil from the CDC is a laughable report. That same article mentions that there study shows that men are raped by women more than women are raped by men. That's because they use a stupid definition of rape. I will say every time someone say 1 in 5(or 3,4,6) you can automatically say those numbers are bullshit. Which is what I did in this case. The CDC uses an atrocious study to conclude 1 in 5 so anything in that ballpark is automatically way off.pointing at a large discrepancy doesn't tell us which data point is closer to representing a variously defined public safety problem.

you're just waving your hands here, Nathan89

[Nathan89]

Well if it keeps us from talking about the Kavanaugh situation it can't be all bad.

Was I not supposed to respond to the the ridiculous "1 in 6" stat? Can't have people thinking women are walking round in some pervasive rape culture. Although some groups want you to think that so they can't paint them as victims. Can't imagine wanting to instill unnecessary fear into people like that tbh.

[Pavlov]

Was I not supposed to respond to the the ridiculous "1 in 6" stat? Can't have people thinking women are walking round in some pervasive rape culture. Although some groups want you to think that so they can't paint them as victims. Can't imagine wanting to instill unnecessary fear into people like that tbh.Great, what are your percentage for rapes, reported and unreported?

Let's go with your numbers so rape isn't scary anymore.

[Nathan89]

pointing at a large discrepancy doesn't tell us which data point is closer to representing a variously defined public safety problem.

you're just waving your hands here, Nathan89

No, the CDC study is very clear and flawed. Unless you think men and women are raped at the same rate then you should recognize how off that statistic is. Beyond that you can look at the issues Christina brings up about the questions. Basically there study just identifies loads of drunk sex and categorizes that as rape.

[Winehole23]

Can't have people thinking women are walking round in some pervasive rape culture. Although some groups want you to think that so they can't paint them as victims. Can't imagine wanting to instill unnecessary fear into people like that tbh.maybe you should talk to more women about this. ask them if the fears are unrealistic. ask them how pervasive it is.

be ready to listen. if you adopt the haughty, dismissive tone you've adopted here, you'll miss out.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Demands More Attacks On Women After New Kavanaugh Sexual Assault Allegations

Trump responded to more sexual assault allegations against his Supreme Court nominee by

telling his staff that this is why

they should have been fighting the Christine Blasey Ford allegations sooner.

Trump thinks the right move is to attack women who accuse men of sexual assault.

He did it during his presidential campaign, and

he has continued this behavior during his presidency.

Trump wants to shame and revictimize people who come forward with their stories of sexual assault.

Trump’s scorched earth policy is creating a perfect storm for Republican failure

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/23/trump-new-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-allegations.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

What would fighting Ford earlier accomplished? :lol

[Nathan89]

maybe you should talk to more women about this. ask them if the fears are unrealistic. ask them how pervasive it is.

be ready to listen. if you adopt the haughty, dismissive tone you've adopted here, you'll miss out.

Well many women have been fed that 1 in 5 line. So yes there fears are likely unrealistic. Plus their parents have taught them to have unrealistic fear growing up.

[boutons_deux]

Well many women have been fed that 1 in 5 line. So yes there fears are likely unrealistic. Plus their parents have taught them to have unrealistic fear growing up.

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

[ducks]

The Judicial Crisis Network, a conservative group that has supported Brett Kavanaugh‘s nomination to the Supreme Court, issued a statement criticizing the New Yorker magazine for its report Sunday that a second woman has accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct.

According to JCN, multiple friends and witnesses have strongly denied claims made by Deborah Ramirez that Kavanaugh sexually taunted her during the time both studied at Yale University.

JCN noted in its response:

"One of the male classmates who Ramirez said egged on Kavanaugh denied any memory of the party. “I don’t think Brett would flash himself to Debbie, or anyone, for that matter,” he said.
The other male classmate Ramirez said was involved in the incident commented, “I have zero recollection.”
Ramirez’s college best friend denies it. “This is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.”

[Spurtacular]

Sure, what do you want to say about Hillary for distraction purposes in the Kavanaugh thread?

I'll say that I'm pretty happy we're not getting another sycophant like the two peons Obama gave us because no Hillary. Don't get too distracted now. :lol

[ducks]

People pretending this isn’t 100% political

Wasting money

[Nathan89]

goddamn, you're fucking stupid

Just one page ago you were mocking me for questioning the 1 in 6 stat. Turns out you were wrong.

[Pavlov]

I'll say that I'm pretty happy we're not getting another sycophant like the two peons Obama gave us because no Hillary. Don't get too distracted now. :lolIs that all?

[Pavlov]

Just one page ago you were mocking me for questioning the 1 in 6 stat. Turns out you were wrong.Great, what's your number? Reported and unreported.

[djohn2oo8]

Darrin undoubtably believed all the Cosby accusers

[Reck]

Darrin undoubtably believed all the Cosby accusers

Poor Darrin just wanting some kind of win at this point.

[ducks]

Feinstein, other Dems largely silent on abuse claims against Keith Ellison

[djohn2oo8]

Poor Darrin just wanting some kind of win at this point.
They need Kavanaugh on the SC to protect their boy. Willing to ignore sexual assault allegations. They can’t admit being wrong. And it’s only getting worse.

[Pavlov]

Feinstein, other Dems largely silent on abuse claims against Keith EllisonSo are you in the Ellison thread tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Is that all?

That's all; you've been having conniption fits because of it. :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Avenatti pushing for his (new) client to testify lol. Gonna be an interesting week.

Repukes knew last week - therefore the arbitrary deadline that they suddenly were pushing for.

[Pavlov]

That's all; you've been having conniption fits because of it. :lmaoNope, I *ding*ed the first mention of her and you just shit something boring out on my command.:tu

[Spurtacular]

Nope, I *ding*ed the first mention of her and you just shit something boring out on my command.:tu

I meant for the last two years. :lol

[Pavlov]

I meant for the last two years. :lolI meant since you first started posting. :lol

[Winehole23]

Well many women have been fed that 1 in 5 line. So yes there fears are likely unrealistic. Plus their parents have taught them to have unrealistic fear growing up.you say they've been brainwashed.

have you tried talking to them?

[Kim Jong-il]

People pretending this isn’t 100% political
You pretending like you aren’t all-in on Trump.

[ducks]

Ramirez admitted to the magazine that she does not fully remember the alleged incident because she had been drinking at the time. The magazine also reported that Ramirez spent six days "carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney" before telling the full version of her story.

Kavanaugh says the event “did not happen” and that the allegation is “a smear, plain and simple.”

[ducks]

So are you in the Ellison thread tbh.

Your stupidity ruined that thread

[pgardn]

Well many women have been fed that 1 in 5 line. So yes there fears are likely unrealistic. Plus their parents have taught them to have unrealistic fear growing up.

Women are the ones who get penetrated ya fckn nit wit. If it’s gonna hurt, and therefore not gonna be as “fun” , you can’t imagine which sex might complain more? Really?

You, my friend, don’t understand some very basic physical mechanisms.

Please don’t let anyone inform you on what happens to the vagina during natural childbirth.
Just go with the stork thing.

Do you ever think that a women might feel amorous, want to have sex, and then want it to stop immediately because it hurts like hell but the male keeps going. Feeling a bit confused? You should because you really are not very thoughtful about how this becomes difficult thing.

[Cry Havoc]

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-avenatti-brett-kavanaugh-2018-9


Additional source. Holy shit.

[boutons_deux]

Of course, Johnny O weighs in on K and F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNozKeb_V1M

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1044040045580169217?s=20

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1044040045580169217?s=20

"felt uneasy about facts" IS NOT same as "made Trump/Kavanugh look bad."

you rightwingnutjobs can't get thru a single tweet without LYING, following Trash's 1000s of LIES

[Nathan89]

"felt uneasy about facts" IS NOT same as "made Trump/Kavanugh look bad."

you rightwingnutjobs can't get thru a single tweet without LYING, following Trash's 1000s of LIES




Go back to sleep. You woke up too early.

[boutons_deux]

Ed Whelan Takes Leave Of Absence After Inflammatory Tweet Thread

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ed-whelan-takes-leave-of-absense-after-inflammatory-tweet-thread?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29​

[boutons_deux]

Go back to sleep. You woke up too early.

G F Y

[boutons_deux]

Ed Whelan Takes Leave Of Absence After Inflammatory Tweet Thread

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ed-whelan-takes-leave-of-absense-after-inflammatory-tweet-thread?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29​

rightwingnutjobs shoot themselves in the foot, penis, anywhere. God Bless Gun Fellators, suck a gun today.

Pizza, anybody?

[ducks]

8. Ramirez wasn't even sure her memory was correct — until she spent six days going over it with her Democrat lawyer.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36229/10-serious-problems-new-accusations-against-ryan-saavedra

[ducks]

9. Ramirez admits there are holes in her memory due to how much she drank at the party.

[ducks]

5. Ramirez contacted her former classmates, asking about the incident, and admitted she was not sure that Kavanaugh was the male who exposed himself.

[ducks]

6. A woman who claims she was "best friends" with Ramirez says Ramirez never mentioned the story and initially said her friend's accusations against Kavanaugh might be "politically motivated."

[ducks]

7. Ramirez, just like Christine Blasey Ford, is a registered Democrat and is dedicated to leftist causes

[ducks]

10. People who knew Ramirez after her time at Yale say that she never once mentioned the incident — until Kavanaugh's nomination was pending

[ducks]

4. A third person that Ramirez claimed was at the party says she was not there for the alleged incident.

[ducks]

2. The New York Times could not find a single person who could corroborate Ramirez's claims.

[ducks]

1. The New Yorker could not find a single witness who could put Kavanaugh at the alleged party

[ducks]

3. The man accused of egging on Kavanaugh denied Ramirez's allegations and vouched for Kavanaugh's character.

[djohn2oo8]

I love the smell of triggered in the morning

[elbamba]

I love the smell of triggered in the morning

It might just be left over desperation from November 2016 that you are smelling.

[Nathan89]

Ducks over here acting like details matter.:lmao

[RandomGuy]

You're a lawyer?
You see nothing wrong with how Kavanaugh's alleged victim is being treated? You keep repeating that the FBI has zero to investigate? Seriously?

Ok- just humor us;

(a) You are the alleged sexual assault victims attorney - the defense is telling you - no witnesses, no fbi investigation, no delay -gotta take the stand in 3 days, the jury has made comments regarding your client being "mixed-up" - and have pretty much stated that the accused suspect is pretty much gonna walk. They refused an investigation and said - "it was too long ago - nothing to find there" - there was another WITNESS - but he told the prosecutor "I don't want to testify under oath" and the prosecutor said "ok-sure"
-- Are you happy with this for your victim/client? -- Are the scales of justice evenly applied here?


(b) You are Kavanaughs attorney - the prosecutor is telling you - "he will walk" - the jury has been holding "war room sessions" all week and coaching him on how to answer questions, the prosecutor has disallowed any independent investigation even though the standard practice has always been to allow an fbi background to be completed or re-opened whenever new allegations surface but they winked at you and said "don't worry - the president believes your client and will back you 100%
-- Are you happy being the attorney in this situation?

A or B seems legally fair to you?

Since you are a lawyer.




If I was her attorney (and I'm not a criminal attorney), I would tell her to file a complaint with the Maryland police department. There is no statute of limitations on a rape allegation. I would tell her to have them investigate. Before I went public with the allegation, I would make sure that she could clearly articulate where she was, when it happened, who was there, who's house it was, how she got there, and where she went after. I also wouldn't go to the media and politicize. I would have handled it privately and quietly and if the Maryland police decided there was a case, then it would become public.

But that's not anything close to what happened here because it has been treated like a political hit job. Unfortunately. That's why I tend to think it is a hoax. Answer the questions above, and then I'd see if I change my mind about the allegation.

I noticed you didn't answer the question.

I will ask it again, for Spurs Homer, since you saw fit to ignore a fair question.

A or B seems legally fair to you?

[boutons_deux]

Grassley Spends Weekend Practicing Pretending-to-Listen Face

WASHINGTON —Facing the daunting challenge of appearing to pay attention to a woman’s utterances during a televised hearing, Senator Charles Grassley spent the weekend rehearsing what aides are calling his “pretending to listen” face.

In round-the-clock practice sessions that aides characterized as “excruciating,” the

chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee

struggled to simulate even a trace of interest in what a woman had to say.

“Chuck has never pretended to listen to a woman before,” :lol

an aide said.

“These are uncharted waters.” :lol

According to the aide, Grassley’s fake-listening skills “are rudimentary at best,” and the senator was

able to hold only a semi-attentive facial expression for seven seconds

before it showed unmistakable signs of boredom, irritation, and contempt.

At one point, Grassley reportedly exploded with frustration, bellowing,

“If I’d known that going into politics meant I’d have to listen to women, I’d have become a longshoreman.”

Complicating the mock sessions further was the absence on the Judiciary Committee of any Republican women to whom Grassley could pretend to listen,

forcing Senator Orrin Hatch to step uncomfortably into the role of a woman.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/grassley-spends-weekend-practicing-pretending-to-listen-face (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/grassley-spends-weekend-practicing-pretending-to-listen-face)

[Spurs Homer]

Grassley Spends Weekend Practicing Pretending-to-Listen Face

WASHINGTON —Facing the daunting challenge of appearing to pay attention to a woman’s utterances during a televised hearing, Senator Charles Grassley spent the weekend rehearsing what aides are calling his “pretending to listen” face.

In round-the-clock practice sessions that aides characterized as “excruciating,” the

chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee

struggled to simulate even a trace of interest in what a woman had to say.

“Chuck has never pretended to listen to a woman before,” :lol

an aide said.

“These are uncharted waters.” :lol

According to the aide, Grassley’s fake-listening skills “are rudimentary at best,” and the senator was

able to hold only a semi-attentive facial expression for seven seconds

before it showed unmistakable signs of boredom, irritation, and contempt.

At one point, Grassley reportedly exploded with frustration, bellowing,

“If I’d known that going into politics meant I’d have to listen to women, I’d have become a longshoreman.”

Complicating the mock sessions further was the absence on the Judiciary Committee of any Republican women to whom Grassley could pretend to listen,

forcing Senator Orrin Hatch to step uncomfortably into the role of a woman.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/grassley-spends-weekend-practicing-pretending-to-listen-face (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/grassley-spends-weekend-practicing-pretending-to-listen-face)




Would be hilarious - if this satire wasn't actually true.

:cry

[boutons_deux]

Why Republicans Are Fighting so Hard for Brett Kavanaugh


They could easily replace him with a nominee who would vote exactly the same way on the Supreme Court. But they won't.

So why not replace him?

Part of it is certainly that pulling Kavanaugh's nomination would be a "win" for the other side,

and in an era of negative partisanship (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12479) when conservatives will burn their own sneakers (https://www.businessinsider.com/nike-advert-with-colin-kaepernick-has-people-burning-products-2018-9) to own the libs,

anything that would make Democrats pleased is horrifying to them.

since for the last decade the GOP has lived in terror of its own base,

which demands maximal aggression toward Democrats at all times.
the real problem Republicans face this November isn't that their own voters may grow apathetic and stay home,

it's that Democratic voters will become more and more angry and engaged.

But more than that, to defend Kavanaugh is to defend a certain order to the world.

It's one where a man like him—

wealthy parents,

prep school education,

on to Yale,

working for Ken Starr and George W. Bush,

then on to a judgeship

in preparation for his ascent to the high court—

is the rightful wielder of power and influence.

It's one where women know how they're supposed to act and to whom they're supposed to defer.

And if they're sexually assaulted, they're supposed to just deal with it.

This must be stopped before things really get out of hand.

So Republicans are making their stand with Brett Kavanaugh, even in the face of grave political danger.

At the

heart of it all, of course, lies Donald Trump, whose misogyny knows no bounds.

"The antipathy to Trump from women—

college-educated, white, suburban women—

transcends anything I've ever seen in politics,

Republicans will fight this battle for Kavanaugh's sake,

and for the sake of all he represents.

No matter the cost.

http://prospect.org/article/why-republicans-are-fighting-so-hard-brett-kavanaugh

[Cry Havoc]

Trump is obviously panicking about Kavanaugh not being confirmed, hence the news on Rosenstein this morning.

[pgardn]

3. The man accused of egging on Kavanaugh denied Ramirez's allegations and vouched for Kavanaugh's character.

Another classmate contacted independently remembers the incident very similarly to Ramirez


lets keep going

[Trill Clinton]

Correct me if I am missing something:

1. Did Kavanaugh get accused by multiple women of the exact same crime?
2. Did the Bill Cosby accusers provide verifiable dates, times, and locations of the events so they could be verified?
3. Did Kavanaugh walk around in public telling jokes about how he attacked Ford?
4. Did the Cosby accusers file a police report instead of going to Sen. Feinstein?
5. Did the Cosby accusers allow Cosby to have his day in court?
6. Did the Cosby accusers ask that Cosby testify first and then they would testify and not let Cosby contest what they said?
7. Were the Cosby accusers willing to take the stand and be cross examined by an attorney to see if their testimony held up to scrutiny?

Kavanaugh has now been accused by multiple women of the same crime.

Cosby's sentencing is today btw.

[boutons_deux]

Another classmate contacted independently remembers the incident very similarly to Ramirez


lets keep going

Avenatti claims to have a group of K victims lined up

Trash's base don't care.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1044040045580169217?s=20
It’s amost like those are reliable news sources

[Cry Havoc]

It’s amost like those are reliable news sources

You can't use Ford's story as contrast unless you're willing to admit that Ford's story has merit.

[djohn2oo8]

1044255715383226368

[djohn2oo8]

1044253341876977666

[Fabbs]

1044253341876977666
A 5th person.
I heard when Kavanaugh was in Jr. High the wind blew a hotties skirt up a bit.
He looked at her undies.

That's almost rape. Should be investigated.

[djohn2oo8]

Fabbs has a poopy

[Cry Havoc]

Fabbs has a poopy

You know what the shit of this is?

The people who attempt to discredit women when they make these sexual assault allegations are the same demographic of people who meet their daughter's potential boyfriend at the door with a loaded shotgun and tell them in no uncertain terms that if he even looks at her inappropriately he'll be studying the business end of it. What a fucking joke.

[Reck]

Another classmate contacted independently remembers the incident very similarly to Ramirez


lets keep going

It's hilarious how you've gone full trumpie on this case. Kind of liek you got accused once and haven't live that moment down since.

Sexual assaulters look out for each other's backs I hear. :lol

[boutons_deux]

You know what the shit of this is?

people who meet their daughter's potential boyfriend at the door with a loaded shotgun and tell them in no uncertain terms that if he even looks at her inappropriately he'll be studying the business end of it. What a fucking joke.

gun fellator worried that a boyfriend would fuck her better than daddy.

[Fabbs]

You know what the shit of this is?

The people who attempt to discredit women when they make these sexual assault allegations are the same demographic of people who meet their daughter's potential boyfriend at the door with a loaded shotgun and tell them in no uncertain terms that if he even looks at her inappropriately he'll be studying the business end of it. What a fucking joke.
To the contrary, you raise them with proper love and attention and they develop good self esteem so as to weed out the assaultive types on their own.

[ducks]

Jacob Wohl
Jacob Wohl
JacobAWohl
·
27m
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the new Kavanaugh accuser, Debbie Ramirez, runs a Soros-backed SJW organization. It's also just a coincidence that Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer committed that from their story.

[DarrinS]

Jacob Wohl
Jacob Wohl
JacobAWohl
·
27m
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the new Kavanaugh accuser, Debbie Ramirez, runs a Soros-backed SJW organization. It's also just a coincidence that Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer committed that from their story.

[sic] omitted

[FrostKing]

To the contrary, you raise them with proper love and attention and they develop good self esteem so as to weed out the assaultive types on their own.
This is true. You don't prohibit rap in the household, you teach them to look down on it.

[djohn2oo8]

1044259579507462144
:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Harry Reid Aide: Kavanaugh Won't Survive Ford's Testimony, So Grassley and Yurtle are Four Flushing. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/22/1797834/-Harry-Reid-Aide-Kavanaugh-Won-t-Survive-Ford-s-Testimony-So-Grassley-and-Yurtle-are-Four-Flushing)


https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1043357308800131072

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/22/1797834/-Harry-Reid-Aide-Kavanaugh-Won-t-Survive-Ford-s-Testimony-So-Grassley-and-Yurtle-are-Four-Flushing?detail=emaildksc

[FrostKing]

Not survive testimony? Haha this isn't a Hollywood movie.

[Cry Havoc]

This is true. You don't prohibit rap in the household, you teach them to look down on it.

You're so edgy and cool.

[koriwhat]

You know what the shit of this is?

The people who attempt to discredit women when they make these sexual assault allegations are the same demographic of people who meet their daughter's potential boyfriend at the door with a loaded shotgun and tell them in no uncertain terms that if he even looks at her inappropriately he'll be studying the business end of it. What a fucking joke.

yo CH, this is by no means a jab at you man... did your ex cheat on you or leave you high and dry? i ask because i feel like i remember you claiming something of the sort or maybe you said she just wasn't the one. i could be sorely mistaken and sorry if i am.

anyhow, what i am getting at is the fact that women, just like men, are capable of being evil sob's who will lie their asses off if given the chance. i don't trust anyone these days because most are liars and will do so to your face. known too many in my lifetime from women to men. i've known a few women who have accused friends in the past of such assault only to be found out to be nothing but fabrication.

there's def truth tellers out there too but i think they're few and far between tbh.

i'd rather just see due process gain a strong hold in this nation again and not this public judge/jury bs we got going on lately.

as for all these accusers... they all just happened to wait till now to come forward and some with ties to far left movements/org's and ties to a certain billionaire too. just so damn fishy.

[Spurs Homer]

To the contrary, you raise them with proper love and attention and they develop good self esteem so as to weed out the assaultive types on their own.


...and then when they are actually assaulted - you shame them and blame them -
until they end up burying their memories and feeling like it is their fault.

Then the cycle is repeated...

[Pavlov]

To the contrary, you raise them with proper love and attention and they develop good self esteem so as to weed out the assaultive types on their own.Yes, of course it's the woman's fault if she ends up with someone who assaults her.

[boutons_deux]

Yale graduates emailed about new Kavanaugh allegation in July, New Yorker's Jane Mayer says
(http://theweek.com/speedreads/797846/yale-graduates-emailed-about-new-kavanaugh-allegation-july-new-yorkers-jane-mayer-says)

critics who wondered why the news broke so close to the end of Kavanaugh's confirmation process.

But the article's co-author, Jane Mayer, told NPR on Monday (https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651021071/monday-september-24-2018) that

a group of Yale graduates emailed about this alleged incident back in July,

after Kavanaugh was nominated by President Trump

but before any other sexual misconduct allegations had emerged.http://theweek.com/speedreads/797846/yale-graduates-emailed-about-new-kavanaugh-allegation-july-new-yorkers-jane-mayer-says

[boutons_deux]

Ronan Farrow Says Second Kavanaugh Accuser Came Forward Because ‘Senate Democrats Came Looking’

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Ronan-Farrow-Says-Second-Kavanaugh-Accuser-Came-13252960.php

[FrostKing]

Yet another pointless losing battle. The ideology without vision beyond "we will flood your borders with voting welfare recipients"

[Spurminator]

1044310315578642433

Safe spaces.

[Spurs Homer]

Mitch McGoiter with the stunning academy award straight-faced performance accusing the dems of dirty tactics!
Not since Brando - critics say!

[boutons_deux]

1044310315578642433

Safe spaces.

with his wife there, they won't ask him about forcing his dick into the face of a Yale girl.