Brett Kavanaugh now under FBI investigation [Archive] - Page 6

ElNono

09-22-2018, 05:27 PM

They both chose to enter the public sphere. What will likely happen is that Ford won’t give any verifiable facts, but will give an emotional testimony that will be deemed by half the country to be credible. Kavanaugh will testify with aplomb and conviction and half the country will believe him. There will be no evidence. And it will be a tough vote for enough Senators to not make it a done deal. And regardless half the the country will act like Kavanaugh is a rapist for the rest of his life, which will be awkward given he has a lifetime appointment already as a federal judge. Half the country will think Ford lies. She’ll be despised by the right, but a hero of the left and she will become a big activist in politics. That’s my prediction.

Don't necessarily disagree, but you missed a couple of items: the twitter fest of fake news and chicanery that's going to be non-stop for the duration from both sides, including the POTUS verbal diarrhea, and the fact that he's going to get confirmed regardless of how anybody feels (barring some concrete damning evidence, or more victims coming forward), simply because there's no time to go through another shit-show with the elections around the corner.

ElNono

09-22-2018, 05:29 PM

Just feel for Chris, tbh... her decision to testify means the spin machine is going to be working overtime next week... those tweets nobody reads ain't going to get copy pasted all by themselves :lol

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 05:32 PM

uh?

It is a fake, bro. Plenty of credible testimony on this. Naturally, the media pretended it didn't exist and that it was settled. You're drinking the kool aid.

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 05:34 PM

It is a fake, bro. Plenty of credible testimony on this. Naturally, the media pretended it didn't exist and that it was settled. You're drinking the kool aid.
Ok, show us the credible testimony.

I never saw anything credible to that end, so you're going to have to back up your claim.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 05:37 PM

Ok, show us the credible testimony.

I never saw anything credible to that end, so you're going to have to back up your claim.

:lol You never do see anything credible that goes against your viewpoints, sociopath.

Spurminator

09-22-2018, 05:38 PM

It is a fake, bro. Plenty of credible testimony on this. Naturally, the media pretended it didn't exist and that it was settled. You're drinking the kool aid.

:lmao :lmao

ElNono

09-22-2018, 05:40 PM

It is a fake, bro. Plenty of credible testimony on this. Naturally, the media pretended it didn't exist and that it was settled. You're drinking the kool aid.

yeah, no, I don't agree with this at all.

ducks

09-22-2018, 05:55 PM

Kavanaugh allies quickly pushed back on the latest response from Ford, arguing that it does not actually amount to accepting the committee's invitation to testify.
A source close to the process who supports Kavanaugh told CNN, "This is not an 'acceptance' of anything at all. The email doesn't even say she will testify. It says she will 'provide her firsthand knowledge' but it doesn't say how. It says she will do so 'next week' but doesn't say when. And it says the rest of the terms are still up for negotiation. It 'accepts' nothing at all, but the language is very carefully calculated to give her credit for having accepted."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/21/politics/kavanaugh-ford-senate-judiciary-hearing/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

benefactor

09-22-2018, 05:56 PM

Shut up, stupid.

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 05:58 PM

:lol You never do see anything credible that goes against your viewpoints, sociopath.
So show me.

Let's see your credible testimony.

Back up your claim.

ducks

09-22-2018, 06:13 PM

Shut up, stupid.

Truth hurt

spurraider21

09-22-2018, 06:30 PM

uh?
you know, its pretty amusing watching you try to engage in discourse with derp, only to eventually run into the inevitable brick wall.

every time.

and then you try again the next time. its kinda like a dragged out version of the guiseppe rodeo

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 06:48 PM

you know, its pretty amusing watching you try to engage in discourse with derp, only to eventually run into the inevitable brick wall.

every time.

and then you try again the next time. its kinda like a dragged out version of the guiseppe rodeo

Convenient how you come crying about this abstract stuff and disregard the chump sociopath'ing it up posts that I tag you on. :lol

Reck

09-22-2018, 07:22 PM

Hearing set for Thursday.

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 07:36 PM

https://images.dailykos.com/images/590177/story_image/kavanaugh-oath915.png?1537259028

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 07:37 PM

https://images.dailykos.com/images/590461/story_image/1245.gif?1537329283

ElNono

09-22-2018, 07:43 PM

you know, its pretty amusing watching you try to engage in discourse with derp, only to eventually run into the inevitable brick wall.

every time.

and then you try again the next time. its kinda like a dragged out version of the guiseppe rodeo

I can only speak for myself, and I know I'm not trying to convince him of anything, but I do come out with a better understanding of an adversary position, while doing so at a respectful level most of the time.

Hopefully he derives the same, while we're both more or less entertained.

spurraider21

09-22-2018, 07:47 PM

Convenient how you come crying about this abstract stuff and disregard the chump sociopath'ing it up posts that I tag you on. :lol
i dont pay attention when you randomly tag me in conversations that have nothing to do with me. i just know you want attention

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 07:47 PM

Christine Ford Caught Whelan Snooping Her LinkedIn Page 90 Minutes After W.H. Learned Her I.D. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/21/1797684/-Whoa-Christine-Ford-Saw-Ed-Whelan-Snooping-Her-LinkedIn-Page-90-Minutes-After-W-H-Learned-Her-I-D)

Kavanaugh and the W.H. have both denied conspiring with Ed Whelan on his bullshit hit piece but…
Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kavanaugh-ally-says-he-did-not-communicate-with-white-house-or-supreme-court-nominee-about-theory-of-another-attacker/2018/09/21/88335f1a-bdaa-11e8-b7d2-0773aa1e33da_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fb6f95622bd7)

“On Sunday, Ford noticed that — even

before her name became public — Whelan appeared to be seeking information about her.

That morning, Ford alerted an associate via email that Whelan had looked at her LinkedIn page, according to the email, which was reviewed by The Post.

LinkedIn allows some subscribers to see who views their pages.

Ford sent the email about 90 minutes after The Post shared her name with a White House spokesman and hours before her identity was revealed in a story posted on its website (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?utm_term=.2c03d3cd5d44).

A White House spokesman said Friday that neither Kavanaugh nor anyone in the White House gave Ford’s name to Whelan before it was disclosed by The Post.

Whelan did not respond to a request for comment on how he first learned of Ford’s identity.

Kavanaugh and his allies have privately discussed mounting a defense that would not question whether an incident involving Ford happened,

but instead would raise doubts that the attacker was Kavanaugh,

The Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-vows-to-move-ahead-with-kavanaugh-vote-if-his-accuser-doesnt-testify-monday/2018/09/20/a7132ee8-bcf5-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.4d4ec1d1a77b) Thursday.

In the wake of Ford’s allegation,

Kavanaugh told White House officials and Republicans on Capitol Hill that it was potentially a case of mistaken identity,

according to people who heard his comments or were familiar with the discussions. Kavanaugh did not respond to requests for comment.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/21/1797684/-Whoa-Christine-Ford-Saw-Ed-Whelan-Snooping-Her-LinkedIn-Page-90-Minutes-After-W-H-Learned-Her-I-D?detail=emaildkre

spurraider21

09-22-2018, 07:48 PM

I can only speak for myself, and I know I'm not trying to convince him of anything, but I do come out with a better understanding of an adversary position, while doing so at a respectful level most of the time.

Hopefully he derives the same, while we're both more or less entertained.
except his positions always boil down to something completed asinine (fake birth certificate, hogg derangement syndrome, etc)

ElNono

09-22-2018, 07:56 PM

except his positions always boil down to something completed asinine (fake birth certificate, hogg derangement syndrome, etc)

I still have some sense of curiosity on how somebody reaches those conclusions. In that sense, the journey can be rewarding, even if eventually we reach a bridge we won't cross. He's certainly entitled to his opinions.

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 07:58 PM

except his positions always boil down to something completed asinine (fake birth certificate, hogg derangement syndrome, etc)And when he's called out on any of his stupid claims he melts down and does everything in his power to avoid talking about the stupid shit he brought up himself.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 07:58 PM

i dont pay attention when you randomly tag me in conversations that have nothing to do with me. i just know you want attention

Yet, you're giving me attention when I'm not even talking to you.

:lol Giving a spurious argument
:lol Today's lawyer

At any rate, I tried to keep you informed. You'll inevitably cry that chump isn't a sociopath.

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 07:59 PM

Yet, you're giving me attention when I'm not even talking to you.

:lol Giving a spurious argument
:lol Today's lawyer

At any rate, I tried to keep you informed. You'll inevitably cry that chump isn't a sociopath.What is a sociopath, derp?

cd98

09-22-2018, 07:59 PM

Don't necessarily disagree, but you missed a couple of items: the twitter fest of fake news and chicanery that's going to be non-stop for the duration from both sides, including the POTUS verbal diarrhea, and the fact that he's going to get confirmed regardless of how anybody feels (barring some concrete damning evidence, or more victims coming forward), simply because there's no time to go through another shit-show with the elections around the corner.

His confirmation is not a slam dunk. Ford only has to look credible and then Kavanaugh May lose just enough support. I think the GOP is pushing for a hearing ASAP so if it goes bad, they will select an ultra conservative woman and rush her confirmation with no exceptions and not much time for DEMs to oppose.

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 08:00 PM

His confirmation is not a slam dunk. Ford only has to look credible and then Kavanaugh May lose just enough support. I think the GOP is pushing for a hearing ASAP so if it goes bad, they will select an ultra conservative woman and rush her nomination with no exceptions and not much time for DEMs to oppose.Now there's a rush?

cd98

09-22-2018, 08:01 PM

Now there's a rush?

There was always a rush. Both parties are playing games with timing.

spurraider21

09-22-2018, 08:04 PM

Yet, you're giving me attention when I'm not even talking to you.
huh? i directly responded to a post where you quoted me

:lol Giving a spurious argument
:lol Today's lawyer
https://biggiesplace.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/drax-thesaurus.gif

At any rate, I tried to keep you informed. You'll inevitably cry that chump isn't a sociopath.
i dont know much about him, certainly not enough to designate him a sociopath. i'm not sure you really know what a sociopath is.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 08:08 PM

huh? i directly responded to a post where you quoted me

Your recall is lacking. You were talking to Nono about me without any prompting from me.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 08:09 PM

i dont know much about him, certainly not enough to designate him a sociopath. i'm not sure you really know what a sociopath is.

You've only been interacting with him for a decade now? I'd say you're the one who is a bit dense when it comes to identifying sociopaths.

Though, I get your reluctance. Nobody is gonna be eager to admit they are allies with a sociopath.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 08:13 PM

I still have some sense of curiosity on how somebody reaches those conclusions. In that sense, the journey can be rewarding, even if eventually we reach a bridge we won't cross. He's certainly entitled to his opinions.

The media and courts never had any interest in anything but whitewashing the matter. If you didn't see that, I encourage you to pay better attention in the future.

ducks

09-22-2018, 08:23 PM

SURVEY: Only 39% Of Americans Believe That If Kavanaugh Allegations Are True, It Would ‘Disqualify’ Him From SCOTUS

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 08:24 PM

You've only been interacting with him for a decade now? I'd say you're the one who is a bit dense when it comes to identifying sociopaths.

Though, I get your reluctance. Nobody is gonna be eager to admit they are allies with a sociopath.What is a sociopath, derp?

ducks

09-22-2018, 08:24 PM

According to a HuffPo/YouGov survey of 1,000 adults conducted between September 17-18, a large percentage of Americans don’t believe that the allegations against SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh, if true, should disqualify him from serving on the Supreme Court.

spurraider21

09-22-2018, 08:27 PM

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 08:31 PM

https://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/eea09aca-fd24-4e14-af6b-6f5737b6efd5.jpeg

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 08:34 PM

What are the odds you'd guess that he's confirmed? I'm thinking at least 85%. Collins doesn't seem to give a shit and Corker, Flake, and Sasse are all talk.Odds are Kavanaugh will be confirmed, with a non-trivial chance he doesn't.

85% is probably about right.

Reck

09-22-2018, 08:50 PM

Odds are Kavanaugh will be confirmed, with a non-trivial chance he doesn't.

85% is probably about right.

Depends on how she comes off at the hearing. Kavanaugh is already a wounded animal, imo.

If she can get the two women in the senate to vote no, it's over.

Spurtacular

09-22-2018, 08:55 PM

what makes you think he's a sociopath? can you articulate your opinions for once?

There's plenty of articles on this, but I can give you a non exhaustive list of what goes into my diagnosis.

1. There is one truth; the sociopath's truth. He can be shown the flaws and errors and he will either hold to that truth or at a minimum not admit his error.
2. Manipulation, often manifesting in an overwhelming desire to play the puppet master. 'The games' are common and routine.
3. Self centered. There are various manifestations of this, including narcissism and emotional detachment.
4. Compulsive behavior (lying). He will see opportunities to manipulate or otherwise play the games and he is drawn to it like a moth to a light.
5. Recklessness. They don't need a long game; they seek the instant gratification of inserting themselves in destructive manners.
6. Jaded. Some experts call it anger, but I think plenty of sociopaths are simmering and able to not let it boil over (much of the time). But sociopaths do develop a jaded nature from being at odds with normalcy.

I mention this in broad strokes, so that you can analyze for yourself how it applies to chump.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 08:59 PM

If she can get the two women in the senate to vote no, it's over.there are five Republican women in the US Senate, twenty-three women total, you're referring to Collins and Murkowski I guess

Heidi Heitkamp on the Dem side might not be a gimme.

benefactor

09-22-2018, 09:01 PM

Truth hurt
So does stupid. Enjoy.

Reck

09-22-2018, 09:05 PM

there are five Republican women in the US Senate, twenty-three women total, you're referring to Collins and Murkowski I guess

Yea. The more outspoken of them.

I had no idea there were more female members in the senate. A testament of the times and how much the GOP is Trump owned.

baseline bum

09-22-2018, 09:16 PM

there are five Republican women in the US Senate, twenty-three women total, you're referring to Collins and Murkowski I guess

Heidi Heitkamp on the Dem side might not be a gimme.

Heitkamp and other red state Democrats will probably vote for him if it looks like the Republicans are all going to confirm him anyways but if two Republicans defect that should give the red state Democrat senators enough cover to vote no also.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 09:21 PM

Heitkamp and other red state Democrats will probably vote for him if it looks like the Republicans are all going to confirm him anyways but if two Republicans defect that should give the red state Democrat senators enough cover to vote no also.Has Joe Manchin tipped his hand? I'd not be surprised at all if he voted yea on Kavanaugh.

Reck

09-22-2018, 09:26 PM

Has Joe Manchin tipped his hand? I'd not be surprised at all if he voted yea on Kavanaugh.

He can afford to vote no. Guy has almost a 10 point lead on average for re-election. Also got more votes on the primary than his republican oponent alone.

baseline bum

09-22-2018, 09:51 PM

Has Joe Manchin tipped his hand? I'd not be surprised at all if he voted yea on Kavanaugh.

I wouldn't either because I expect 50 Republicans to vote for him, in which case he might as well too after those votes are cast.

TSA

09-22-2018, 10:11 PM

1043680607174180864

attempted smear dead

Isitjustme?

09-22-2018, 10:13 PM

1043680607174180864

attempted smear dead

Game over?

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 10:14 PM

Game over?:lmao

boutons_deux

09-22-2018, 10:41 PM

Ford Will Testify About Kavanaugh Before Senate Panel On Sept. 27

http://www.nationalmemo.com/ford-likely-testify-about-kavanaugh-senate-panel-sept-27/

cd98

09-22-2018, 10:46 PM

All her alleged witnesses say she is lying. She better have something more than he said/she said or this is going to backfire quickly.

ducks

09-22-2018, 10:47 PM

Kimberley Strassel
kimStrassel
·
1h
Wow. And CNN reporting that the fourth person, Leland Keyser, is denying memory of knowing kavanaugh or of this event, even though "Keyser is a lifelong friend of Ford's."
Wow, again.

Reck

09-22-2018, 10:48 PM

All her alleged witnesses say she is lying. She better have something more than he said/she said or this is going to backfire quickly.

Link?

ducks

09-22-2018, 10:48 PM

:lmao

This game of the donkeys is sick

ducks

09-22-2018, 10:50 PM

So does stupid. Enjoy.

Not according to my bank account

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 10:57 PM

Link? cd98 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16113) misstates the bad news for Ford. two people alleged to have been at the party do not recall being there. neither has accused Ford of lying.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/ford-case-falling-apart-kavanaugh/

cd98

09-22-2018, 11:13 PM

Mistate bad news? She has made an i corroborated allegation and the only thin piece of evidence were the alleged witnesses that have denied any knowledge of her alleged party. Sorry, but that’s bad news. Does it mean she’s lying. Not necessarily, but given how she has no verifiable facts and how she has played this like a political hijack, she better have something solid or this is not going to end well for her. You can kiss a criminal case good-bye. This wouldn’t even make it to a grand jury. And anyone that has any sense and integrity will admit that it’s looking really bad. She better have something good or this whole thing is going up in flames.

Reck

09-22-2018, 11:17 PM

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:18 PM

Pavlov

09-22-2018, 11:20 PM

What a horribly imprecise lawyer that cd98 dude is.

DMC

09-22-2018, 11:25 PM

cd98

09-22-2018, 11:25 PM

Yes bc Spurstalk demands presicion. But that’s usually where people go when they don’t have a real argument on the real issue.

Cry Havoc

09-22-2018, 11:27 PM

Yes bc Spurstalk demands presicion. But that’s usually where people go when they don’t have a real argument on the real issue.

Wtf. So because it's Spurstalk you are free to embellish to the point of openly lying? And you claim to be impartial? Fucking hilarious.

Cry Havoc

09-22-2018, 11:28 PM

I agree that it's bad news for Ford that no one has yet corroborated what she says happened.

cd98 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16113)'s claim that two witnesses have called her a liar is not factually correct: neither has done so.

What's it say about Kavanaugh's chances (and subsequent panic by team red) that they have to lie so brazenly to feel better about their chances?

:lmao cd98 pretending to be a lawyer instead of the partisan hack he really is.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:29 PM

Yes bc Spurstalk demands presicion. But that’s usually where people go when they don’t have a real argument on the real issue.you've been working overtime.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:30 PM

It's also bad news if she actually did work for profit on RU-486.Did she?

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:33 PM

:lmao cd98 pretending to be a lawyer instead of the partisan hack he really is.the two aren't mutually exclusive. I have no reason to disbelieve that cd98 is a lawyer.

DMC

09-22-2018, 11:35 PM

Did she?

Mifepristone treatment of olanzapine-induced weight gain in healthy men. Adv Ther. 2009 Oct;26(10):959-69. doi: 10.1007/s12325-009-0070-1. Epub 2009 Nov 4. Gross C, Blasey CM, Roe RL, Allen K, Block TS, Belanoff JK. View the PubMed Abstract

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:44 PM

Abstract

INTRODUCTION:

Antipsychotic medications are associated with significant weight gain, type 2 diabetes mellitus, dyslipidemia, and increased cardiovascular risk. Suggested mechanisms of weight gain from antipsychotic medication include antagonism of histamine and serotonin receptors, and effects on the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. The objective of this study was to determine if mifepristone, a glucocorticoid receptor antagonist, could prevent olanzapine-induced weight gain.

METHODS:

This was a randomized, double-blind trial. Fifty-seven lean, healthy men (body mass index 18-25 kg/m(2)) aged 19-38 years were randomized to olanzapine (7.5 mg) (n=22), olanzapine (7.5 mg) plus mifepristone (600 mg) (n=24), or mifepristone (600 mg) (n=11) daily for 2 weeks in an institutional setting. Subjects were provided food ad libitum to accentuate weight gain. Body weight was measured daily.

RESULTS:

The mean change in baseline weight was +3.2+/-0.9 kg in subjects receiving olanzapine versus +2.0+/-1.2 kg in those receiving olanzapine plus mifepristone (P<0.0001). Subjects receiving mifepristone alone had a similar degree of weight gain compared to those receiving olanzapine plus mifepristone. The olanzapine group had significant increases in waist circumference when compared with the olanzapine plus mifepristone group (3.7+/-1.3 cm vs. 2.2+/-1.9 cm, respectively; P=0.006). Fasting insulin and triglycerides increased more in the olanzapine group, although differences were not statistically significant.

CONCLUSION:

Mifepristone was effective in attenuating the increase in weight associated with olanzapine treatment over a 2-week period. Longer-term studies are required to examine the durability and full magnitude of this response.

RU-486 to treat weight gain in schizophrenic and bipolar men taking antipsychotic meds.

If Ford has been making money off the research that could plausibly be a motive to derail Kavanaugh.

Winehole23

09-22-2018, 11:52 PM

must be a pretty big pile of money to have been worth the death threats and harassment she should have known would result.

cd98

09-22-2018, 11:56 PM

What's it say about Kavanaugh's chances (and subsequent panic by team red) that they have to lie so brazenly to feel better about their chances?

:lmao cd98 pretending to be a lawyer instead of the partisan hack he really is.

Yes, we can’t all be as unbiased as you.

ducks

09-23-2018, 12:04 AM

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/kavanaugh-ford-accuser-nomination/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

cd98

09-23-2018, 12:11 AM

must be a pretty big pile of money to have been worth the death threats and harassment she should have known would result.

There are reasons someone would go through with a lie that don’t involve money. If she’s lying, maybe she tells herself the end justifies the means. Or maybe she knows doing this makes her a hero for the left. It certainly puts her at the forefront of the Me Too movement. And people like you will believe her no matter what the evidence shows. Certainly she can monetize her status as a hero to the left.

Or maybe she is just misremembering. If that’s the case, then you can’t assume she’s not misremembering her allegations against Kavenaugh. One thing, though, the statement made by her friend directly contradicts what she said initially. So either she is lying or her friend is lying, or she mistakenly identified her friend as being there when she wasn’t.

Either way, the more she changer her story, the lower her credibility. The more she continues to move lock step with Democrats, the more she loses credibility. And the more she delays or refuses to fill in the gaps, the more she loses credibility. I think there is a chance that her life long friend’s testimony persuades her not to testify next week. All she has to do is say she negotiated in good faith, but the GOP wouldn’t consent to the terms she required to testify.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:26 AM

Eh, we'll see.

It might be a mistake to overemphasize credibility.

If Ford appears before the committee things like the demeanor of the participants, how they look on TV and dramatic moments could overtake considerations of evidence and plausibility. If Kavanaugh or Ford falter or misspeak, or Senators are seen to have spoken egregiously or improperly, that might be what carries the news cycle and the votes needed to sink Kavanaugh.

ducks

09-23-2018, 12:40 AM

What is improper
Shut up man take it do not defend yourself
Like the Hawaii lady senator

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:42 AM

sometimes you barely make any sense

ducks

09-23-2018, 12:47 AM

sometimes you barely make any sense

Sen. Hirono: Men Need To "Shut Up," Kavanaugh Accuser Needs To Be Believed And I Believe Her

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/09/18/sen_hirono_on_kavanaugh_men_need_to_shut_up_accuse r_needs_to_be_believed_and_i_believe_her.html

ducks

09-23-2018, 12:48 AM

So is speaking out as a man being accused improper ?
She thinks so

ducks

09-23-2018, 12:54 AM

https://twitter.com/AlexPappas/status/1043481148339433473?s=20

Spurs Homer

09-23-2018, 12:54 AM

So is speaking out as a man being accused improper ?
She thinks so

It means that all the fuckin bullshit is coming from assholes like you - I agree with her and will repeat:

Shut the fuck up!

ElNono

09-23-2018, 12:54 AM

Statement from Leland Keyser's attorney: "Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford."

Having no recollection does not equal the party never happened.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:58 AM

https://twitter.com/AlexPappas/status/1043481148339433473?s=20Kavanaugh was on this guy's short list of conservative prospects in March of 2016:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/03/30/the-next-supreme-court-justice/?_ga=1.30702591.1570697883.1487097515

ducks

09-23-2018, 01:00 AM

It means that all the fuckin bullshit is coming from assholes like you - I agree with her and will repeat:

Shut the fuck up!
So I can accuse Ruth of raping me and she should take it and not defend herself

ducks

09-23-2018, 01:00 AM

101A

09-23-2018, 01:01 AM

ElNono

09-23-2018, 01:04 AM

Does not mean it happened either

Also says she doesn’t know Kavanaugh. At some point the utter lack of corroboration has to mean something?

I was quoting a statement from a tweet posted here that analyzed that to read that the party never happened. That's not what the statement says.

And sure, there's a ton of loose ends right now, don't disagree with that.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:06 AM

So is speaking out as a man being accused improper ?
She thinks soI think not, but I don't think that's what Sen. Hirono said.

She didn't say that the accused has no right to defend himself or that it's improper to do so.

She addressed herself to "the men of this country", asking them to create an atmosphere where women feel safe coming forward.

cd98

09-23-2018, 01:55 AM

[QUOTE=ElNono;9541686]I was quoting a statement from a tweet posted here that analyzed that to read that the party never happened. That's not what the statement says.

And sure, there's a ton of loose ends right now, don't disagree with that.[/QUOTE

Yes. I’ve said there are two big issues with her credibility. One, no verifiable fact. The last shoe dropped when her friend said she didn’t know Kavanaugh. If there are only 5 people at the party, as alleged, no way she doesn’t know Kavanaugh if it happened. It’s beyond insane if anyone is saying public opinion can convict someone merely by a girl making up a story about a guy with no detail to back up her story. That’s overcompensating for the Me Too wrongs.

Second, she’s handled this in a very political way. She went to politicians over the police, she hired an activist attorney, she hired a democrat consultant, and she has followed the lead of every democrat. When the Dems demanded a hearing, she wanted a hearing. Then after the GOP said ok, then Dems move the goalpost to an FBI investigation and she follows suit. And it goes on and on. Maybe it’s all coincidence, but it seems and likely is coordinated, which shows potential that it’s a Dem scheme to stop the confirmation.

Ultimately, if Ford can’t come up with a verifiable fact that makes her claim more likely than not, she’s toast, even with an emotional testimony at the hearing.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 02:02 AM

Ultimately, if Ford can’t come up with a verifiable fact that makes her claim more likely than not, she’s toast, even with an emotional testimony at the hearing.Possibly, but we're not in a courtroom, Kavanaugh is in the hot seat too. His performance matters.

If he does not defend himself credibly and honorably, a couple of wavering Republican Senators might not get to aye.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 02:05 AM

Also says she doesn’t know Kavanaugh. At some point the utter lack of corroboration has to mean something?Not necessarily.

The venue isn't a courtroom, it's a televised Senate confirmation hearing. The optics may overshadow the substance.

ElNono

09-23-2018, 03:15 AM

Yes. I’ve said there are two big issues with her credibility. One, no verifiable fact. The last shoe dropped when her friend said she didn’t know Kavanaugh. If there are only 5 people at the party, as alleged, no way she doesn’t know Kavanaugh if it happened. It’s beyond insane if anyone is saying public opinion can convict someone merely by a girl making up a story about a guy with no detail to back up her story. That’s overcompensating for the Me Too wrongs.

Second, she’s handled this in a very political way. She went to politicians over the police, she hired an activist attorney, she hired a democrat consultant, and she has followed the lead of every democrat. When the Dems demanded a hearing, she wanted a hearing. Then after the GOP said ok, then Dems move the goalpost to an FBI investigation and she follows suit. And it goes on and on. Maybe it’s all coincidence, but it seems and likely is coordinated, which shows potential that it’s a Dem scheme to stop the confirmation.

Ultimately, if Ford can’t come up with a verifiable fact that makes her claim more likely than not, she’s toast, even with an emotional testimony at the hearing.

But of course this is political. The only thing the Democrats can do is float something like this, and then play the "well, we tried all we could, and but we didn't have the votes. Shame on the GOP for confirming a rapist". It's hyperbole, but if it gets some people on the move to their cause in November, it's a gambit that paid off, and has no cost to them. I still would give the woman the benefit of the doubt, but realistically, 35 years is a monstrous amount of time.

The problem is that neither side can play the outrage card. You can't excuse the stalling of the Garland nomination with "well, they just know how to play the game", and then when the Dems "play the game", point the moral finger at them. That's hypocrisy.

The level of vitriol and acrimony is such, that no low is low enough these days. It's clear you're a conservative fan, and despise democrats, but you gotta agree that this level of toxicity on both sides sows enormous distrust in what otherwise would be respectable institutions. No party is above the fray on this, and it appears we haven't reached anywhere near rock bottom yet.

benefactor

09-23-2018, 07:50 AM

Not according to my bank account
Nice to see your custodial job takes care of your needs:tu

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:06 AM

Ed Wehlan's "mistaken identity" tweets have introduced a new peril for Kavanaugh at the 11th hour. Kavanaugh can be cross-examined under oath about whether he knew and approved. If his answers do not satisfy, that would be a colorable reason not to confirm.

CosmicCowboy

09-23-2018, 10:09 AM

But of course this is political. The only thing the Democrats can do is float something like this, and then play the "well, we tried all we could, and but we didn't have the votes. Shame on the GOP for confirming a rapist". It's hyperbole, but if it gets some people on the move to their cause in November, it's a gambit that paid off, and has no cost to them. I still would give the woman the benefit of the doubt, but realistically, 35 years is a monstrous amount of time.

The problem is that neither side can play the outrage card. You can't excuse the stalling of the Garland nomination with "well, they just know how to play the game", and then when the Dems "play the game", point the moral finger at them. That's hypocrisy.

The level of vitriol and acrimony is such, that no low is low enough these days. It's clear you're a conservative fan, and despise democrats, but you gotta agree that this level of toxicity on both sides sows enormous distrust in what otherwise would be respectable institutions. No party is above the fray on this, and it appears we haven't reached anywhere near rock bottom yet.
Its a little different. I get blue teams desire for payback on Garland, but republicans didnt try to assasinate garlands character...they just refused to confirm him.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:13 AM

Republican jock-sniffers are going to moan and wail when the Dems pull a Garland on one of yours

CosmicCowboy

09-23-2018, 10:14 AM

Republican jock-sniffers are going to moan and wail when when the Dems pull a Garland on one of yours
I fully expect it. Just like Democrats regret changing the rules for judicial appointments to be approved with simple majorities.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:19 AM

which itself was a reaction to indiscriminate GOP filibusters.

it's recriminations all the way down.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:22 AM

"they did it first" is not only preschool politics, it's the politics of our most exalted political institutions.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 10:39 AM

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 10:45 AM

Innocent until proven guilty is outdated. The progressives have moved on from that measly standard.

Out: Innocent until proven guilty.
In: Just believe all women.

:tu

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:50 AM

Innocent until proven guilty is outdated. The progressives have moved on from that measly standard.

Out: Innocent until proven guilty.
In: Just believe all women.

:tuunfair to be sure, but legal standards of proof do not and have never applied to confirmation hearings.

the Judiciary Committee isn't a court of law, it's a political body. the parameters of what it does is determined less and less by norms of deference and civility and more and more by pure political considerations for which both sides bear ample responsibility.

they'll just have to muddle through the best they can.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 10:54 AM

Seems everyone (even her friends) are either denying or not recalling the situation. Not a good look for the "just believe her" crowd tbh imho

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 10:56 AM

Kavanaugh will have to defend himself against an unsupported allegation of sexual assault, and also against inferences that he knew about and condoned Red team's galactically inept 11th hour smear campaign.

CosmicCowboy

09-23-2018, 10:59 AM

Seems everyone (even her friends) are either denying or not recalling the situation. Not a good look for the "just believe her" crowd tbh imho

Typical red team response. Just because the other four people she claims were at the "party" all either deny it outright or say they never remember it happening you are still supposed to believe her without question.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 11:00 AM

Well he's already defending himself against unsupported allegations. There is no doubt about that.

CosmicCowboy

09-23-2018, 11:00 AM

Her female friend has to be a liar.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 11:01 AM

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:04 AM

Typical red team response. Just because the other four people she claims were at the "party" all either deny it outright or say they never remember it happening you are still supposed to believe her without question.are they supposed to disbelieve her without question?

do you remember parties from 35 years ago where nothing memorable happened to you?

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:05 AM

Her female friend has to be a liar.no one here has suggested that, except for you. has someone else called her friends liars?

be specific, if you can.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 11:18 AM

are they supposed to disbelieve her without question?

do you remember parties from 35 years ago where nothing memorable happened to you?

She did more than claiming no memory of the party. She claimed not having memory of ever being at a gathering with him.

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 11:20 AM

Zero corroborating witnesses?

Good luck with that

cd98

09-23-2018, 11:24 AM

Ford raised the allegation, she should be given the opportunity to lay out her story. At this point, we are all speculating because we don’t know the whole story Ford has to say. I think she’s lost credibility by handling this in a political way and by presenting no verifiable facts. But I would have to assume before she named her lifelong friend as a witness that she at least talked to her to see if she remembered. She had to know her friend would not corroborate her story before she came public, right? That raises enough questions in my mind that she must be heard. Maybe she’s just crazy, but maybe there is more to the story that we are yet to hear.

Right now her story is highly suspect, but you have to see her hand to know if she was bluffing or not.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:25 AM

for better and for worse, Kavanaugh still has to defend himself. not just against Ford's allegations, but against the inference that he knew about and condoned Ed Whelan's smear campaign. it ain't all about Ford.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:26 AM

Kavanaugh has to count to 50, Ford doesn't.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:36 AM

In one key call, Kavanaugh told Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) that Ford had the wrong guy in mind, saying he had not attended a party like the one she described to The Washington Post. He and his allies also privately discussed a defense that would raise doubts that the attacker was Kavanaugh, rather than try to dispute that an incident involving Ford had happened. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/incredibly-frustrated-inside-the-gop-effort-to-save-kavanaugh-amid-assault-allegation/2018/09/22/6808baf6-bde0-11e8-b7d2-0773aa1e33da_story.html

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:41 AM

there was a fight over whether or not there would be a public hearing.

there will be one because "several" Republican senators have insisted on it.

apparently, the GOP can't get to 50 votes without one.

McGahn was originally opposed to a public hearing — as were many within the orbit of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — but it became clear one would have to happen, two people familiar with their comments said. Ford, through her attorneys, said she would be willing to testify publicly, and several potential pivotal votes, such as Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), signaled that his confirmation could not move forward unless Ford was given a public airing. ibid.

cd98

09-23-2018, 11:47 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/incredibly-frustrated-inside-the-gop-effort-to-save-kavanaugh-amid-assault-allegation/2018/09/22/6808baf6-bde0-11e8-b7d2-0773aa1e33da_story.html

The fact that Kavanaugh or anyone associated with him floated an alternate possibility rather than just denying it and leaving it at that doesn’t make Ford’s claim credible. He has very little information to mount a defense. A typical defense strategy is to try and see if mistaken identity could explain the allegation. That’s common especially when the allegations are based on memory only. The problem is not only did it not remove all doubt like it was hyped to do, but he pointed the finger of blame at someone else with the same flimsy and mostly unverified claims. That he would mount a defense if he thought he was innocent is elementary and the obvious thing to do.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:50 AM

The fact that Kavanaugh or anyone associated with him floated an alternate possibility rather than just denying it and leaving it at that doesn’t make Ford’s claim credible. He has very little information to mount a defense. A typical defense strategy is to try and see if mistaken identity could explain the allegation. That’s common especially when the allegations are based on memory only. The problem is not only did it not remove all doubt like it was hyped to do, but he pointed the finger of blame at someone else with the same flimsy and mostly unverified claims. That he would mount a defense if he thought he was innocent is elementary and the obvious thing to do.I agree with all that.

But the way Ed Whelan did it did not reflect credit on himself or the man he was attempting to defend. What's worse, it opened up Kavanaugh to a line of questioning that could derail his nomination.

Big unforced error for red team.

Spurs Homer

09-23-2018, 11:53 AM

FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.

cd98

09-23-2018, 11:55 AM

I agree with all that.

But the way Ed Whelan did it did not reflect credit on himself or the man he was attempting to defend. What's worse, it opened up Kavanaugh to a line of questioning that could derail his nomination.

Big unforced error for red team.

I don’t think it does anything to derail. It just shows he has nothing to disprove it out of hand right now. But that’s generally the case when you have to prove a negative.

There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmation and has been running the delay tactic from behind the scenes, including possibly paying Ford’s attorneys fees and for the lie detector test. I think that type of stuff is way more damaging than what Whelan did.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:56 AM

FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.it's a political proceeding. for better and for worse the only rules are self-imposed. the GOP is under no obligation to subpoena witnesses.

boutons_deux

09-23-2018, 11:58 AM

Ford runs circles around hapless Republicans, who now have a second scandal

she has accepted the Senate Judiciary Committee’s request to testify about her allegation next week while signaling that a final deal on her testimony has not been reached.

she and her client got the headlines they wanted: Ford is coming to tell her story.

Ford attorney Debra Katz repeatedly has stared down Republican Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), swatting away one artificial deadline after another.

If Republicans were hoping to intimidate Ford it didn’t work.

Rather it revealed that there is a slim chance, more than zero, that

Republicans might not have the votes after this next week.

In the past 48 hours or so

Republicans have made repeated, stupid mistakes that have not helped their position.

President Trump attacked Ford, asserting she would have gone to the police as a 15-year-old

if the attempted rape was “that bad.”

Collins pronounced herself “appalled.”

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) repeatedly vowed he would confirm Kavanaugh.

They’d “plow through” he declared, a remarkable confession that

they’ll bulldoze Ford and vote to confirm no matter what.

The public can conclude Republicans have no problem sitting Kavanaugh even if Ford’s claim is true.

it appears someone communicated her name to Whelan before it was made public.

(Last Sunday, “Ford alerted an associate via email that Whelan had looked at her LinkedIn page,

someone told Whelan what was up,

and any coordination with Kavanaugh (for example, via the right-wing PR outfit CRC, who hyped Whelan’s revelation),

would be separate grounds for denying him confirmation and

would also

ensnare the judge in the host of civil and ethical problems Whelan created.

an employee of CRC on loan to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Garrett Ventry (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/spokesman-gop-kavanaugh-nomination-resigns-has-been-accused-harassment-past-n912156), resigned for falsifying his résumé and for alleged sexual harassment. :lol

Even if they had tried, Republicans could have not done a better job demonstrating
their bias,
ineptitude,
unseriousness,
meanness,
unfairness and
general lack of empathy. :lol empathy,Repugs? :lol They empathize with poverty of the oligarchy

There are now at least two related scandals :

1.) Whether Kavanaugh attacked Ford and now is lying, and

2.) the identities of those involved in a reprehensible scheme to pin a crime on someone for which there is zero evidence of wrongdoing.

It remains to be seen if Republicans either themselves or through an outside lawyer have the nerve to grill Ford about the attack on her and the lifetime of trauma it unleashed.

Free advice:

Cut their losses,

get Kavanaugh to withdraw and

promise a better nominee with no baggage later this year or next.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/22/ford-runs-circles-around-hapless-republicans-who-now-have-a-second-scandal/?utm_term=.ac9a55210f54&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 11:59 AM

FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.there's no guarantee of procedural fairness to either party or truth finding according to judicial standards of proof.

the ultimate determination and the way there will be political. that's as designed.

Reck

09-23-2018, 12:14 PM

Thursday at 10AM. Public Hearing.

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 12:18 PM

Thursday at 10AM. Public Hearing.

If the car doesn’t break down. :lol

boutons_deux

09-23-2018, 12:19 PM

Aren't Repugs DENYING any 3rd parties?

I bet Ford's friends, family have more to say about Ford post-attack, then K's friends have to say about him post-attack.

Reck

09-23-2018, 12:20 PM

If the car doesn’t break down. :lol

You sound scared.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:20 PM

I don’t think it does anything to derail. It just shows he has nothing to disprove it out of hand right now. But that’s generally the case when you have to prove a negative.

There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmation and has been running the delay tactic from behind the scenes, including possibly paying Ford’s attorneys fees and for the lie detector test. I think that type of stuff is way more damaging than what Whelan did.of course you do. what's your source on that?

Ford risking family life and reputation just to delay a judicial nomination isn't a wildly plausible -- and certainly not a strategically effective -- tactic. it's highly improbable the Democrats will win the Senate. even if such a stalling tactic delayed the nomination past the midterm, or even sank Kavanaugh, in November we'd be right back where we are now.

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 12:21 PM

You sound scared.

:lmao

No, I can’t wait for this shit show to start.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 12:33 PM

FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.

You've set moronic standards to continue to dismiss any conclusion. Congrats you are covered.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:38 PM

There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmationSource?

Spurs Homer

09-23-2018, 12:43 PM

Hearing set.

No subpoena of the possible accomplice in this alleged crime.
No other witnesses accepted. (husband/therapist who can testify of Dr. Ford's issues, statements, fears,character,etc)
No FBI investigation (re-opening of FBI background investigation due to new allegations)

S-H-A-M

What better way to avoid truth?
GOP will say - "only two people testified - we have no reason to believe one or the other - he said/she said"
and confirm as they already decided to before -

S-H-A-M

Party of "family values"

"this is not a criminal process" "35 yrs ago" "why didn't she _______?"
in 5-4-3-2......

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:52 PM

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:54 PM

until the Ed Whelan self-immolation and the Trump tweets (another unforced error that put pressure on Collins and Murkowski), I felt pretty sure that's where we were headed.

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 12:57 PM

until the Ed Whelan self-immolation...

Keep carrying that torch

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 12:58 PM

oh, you believe Ed?

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:00 PM

Keep carrying that torchteam red screwed it up for their nominee.

if they hadn't we might not be where we are now.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:02 PM

no hearing, no re-litigating Kavanaugh's background, no questions about throwing an innocent middle-school teacher under the bus.

there'd be a brisk vote to confirm tomorrow and we'd be done.

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 01:07 PM

oh, you believe Ed?

Where did I say that?

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:09 PM

for the record, I think Kavanaugh will squeak through. that's what I've thought all along.

boutons_deux

09-23-2018, 01:11 PM

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:16 PM

there's no obligation to let them.

there are things about this hearing that will be unfair to Kavanaugh, and things that will be unfair to Ford.

rushing for the exit is about the best the Senate can do. pretending to be a court of law would be an even bigger shit show.

boutons_deux

09-23-2018, 01:18 PM

A new Fox News poll reveals that Brett Kavanaugh is in trouble

The accusations by Christine Blasey Ford have had a negative effect on Kavanaugh’s reputation

The poll, which was released on Sunday (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/23/fox-news-poll-923.html), found that

only 40 percent of voters would vote to confirm Kavanaugh

while 50 percent would oppose doing so.

By contrast, last month

45 percent of voters said they would vote to confirm Kavanaugh and

46 percent said they would oppose doing so.

It also found that voters were ambivalent about the attempted rape accusations made against Kavanaugh by California research psychologist Christine Blasey Ford:

While 36 percent of the voters polled believe Ford and

30 percent believe Kavanaugh,

34 percent say they are unsure who is telling the truth.

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/23/a-new-fox-news-poll-reveals-that-brett-kavanaugh-is-in-trouble/

polls don't count,

citizens don't count,

the Repugs will do whatever the oligarchy pays it to do, and

turning SCOTUS into pro-oligarchy, partisan, politicized kangaroo court is what the oligarchy has paid for.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:19 PM

Where did I say that?you got touchy about me pointing out that he screwed up. do you think he didn't?

DarrinS

09-23-2018, 01:22 PM

you got touchy about me pointing out that he screwed up. do you think he didn't?

So, he screwed up. Beyond that, what’s your point?

Reck

09-23-2018, 01:23 PM

Keep carrying that torch

That's hilarious.

I mean coming from a guy who does nothing but carry torches for team red no matter what.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:25 PM

So, he screwed up. Beyond that, what’s your point?he put Kavanaugh in a worse position that he was before. ditto with DJT's tweets. both made hearings more necessary than they seemed beforehand. an ethically challenged smear campaign plus DJT impugning the accuser impaired the impression that Republicans were giving Ford a fair shake.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:27 PM

will unforced errors derail the nomination? probably not.

but they could. there are lots of ways to screw up on TV.

it might not have come to that at all absent the unforced errors, which came at the absolute worst time.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:37 PM

...right before the deadline

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 01:38 PM

what was wrong with Amy Coney Barrett? Republicans might have picked a little better.

boutons_deux

09-23-2018, 01:52 PM

The Old Lesbian from SC says he voting for K even if he's a rapist.

ducks

09-23-2018, 02:04 PM

More Than 22 Million Illegal Aliens In U.S., Study Finds

Could you imagine the money gov would save if they kicked them out

Cry Havoc

09-23-2018, 02:08 PM

no hearing, no re-litigating Kavanaugh's background, no questions about throwing an innocent middle-school teacher under the bus.

there'd be a brisk vote to confirm tomorrow and we'd be done.

The only reason Republicans aren't getting everything they want out of this presidency is their own ineptitude. They have absolutely no organization and no ability to keep their house in order because they can't stop making themselves look idiotic. They are making mistakes that are so terribly amateur that it's hard to fathom they ran successful election campaigns, because this is politics 101, and they're failing at it miserably.

And that's pretty tough to do when the standard for comparison is the Democratic party. :lol

rmt

09-23-2018, 02:15 PM

Yes, we can’t all be as unbiased as you.

hahaha

Reck

09-23-2018, 02:17 PM

hahaha

Why is that funny? Have you been reading cd98's post since he started posting here? He's the poster child of biased. It's ironic.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 02:18 PM

The only reason Republicans aren't getting everything they want out of this presidency is their own ineptitude. They have absolutely no organization and no ability to keep their house in order because they can't stop making themselves look idiotic. They are making mistakes that are so terribly amateur that it's hard to fathom they ran successful election campaigns, because this is politics 101, and they're failing at it miserably.

And that's pretty tough to do when the standard for comparison is the Democratic party. :loleh, we'll probably end up with Kavanaugh anyway.

I wouldn't underestimate the Republicans. They'll get at least two SC justices and hundreds more judges on the federal bench before they're done. There's been beaucoup regulatory rollback. A gigantic tax cut. Entitlement cuts and cuts in the capital gains tax are probably on the way.

There's a multi-front trade war that will disrupt markets and supply chains for years. The end result could be to drive Europe and Asia into even further into each others arms, while cutting us out.

What the GOP has already done in just two years can't be swiftly undone.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 02:24 PM

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by cd98 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=0#post0)
There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmationSource?

Reck

09-23-2018, 02:32 PM

Source?

By "in the news" he probably means his facebook feedback loop.

I mean, that idea is not out of the realm. If you're a democrat, you are trying to stall this confirmation by any legal means. Still, a collaborated story which backs your claim would be ideal in this case.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 02:35 PM

Source?:lmao good luck getting him to answer.

rmt

09-23-2018, 02:37 PM

Why is that funny? Have you been reading cd98's post since he started posting here? He's the poster child of biased. It's ironic.

biased is a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine.

Reck

09-23-2018, 02:41 PM

biased is a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine.

LOL no it's not.

Facts vs bias. Facts always win.

Reck

09-23-2018, 02:42 PM

I mean, excluding trumptards. Facts are exactly the oposite in your case.

rmt

09-23-2018, 02:42 PM

Why is that funny? Have you been reading cd98's post since he started posting here? He's the poster child of biased. It's ironic.

Are you saying that bolded statement is fact?

ElNono

09-23-2018, 02:44 PM

Its a little different. I get blue teams desire for payback on Garland, but republicans didnt try to assasinate garlands character...they just refused to confirm him.

It is different in that they didn't need to character assassinate because they had the vote count on their side. Do we really need to go through character assassinations on both sides when it was expedient? Don't be silly.

Reck

09-23-2018, 02:47 PM

Are you saying that bolded statement is fact?

Yes it is. At least that's how he's decided to showcase himself in here.

I ask again, have you read cd98's posts since he started posting in this section? Of what he has written here, what leads you to believe he's not just a super partisan hack?

He's ducks with a brain and way better writing skills.

ElNono

09-23-2018, 02:51 PM

Innocent until proven guilty is outdated. The progressives have moved on from that measly standard.

Out: Innocent until proven guilty.
In: Just believe all women.

:tu

That standard applies both ways. You're judging Ms Ford as guilty of lying before she even had a chance to tell her story.

Plus, not sure where your rant is directed? at least in this thread the general consensus seems to be that it's going to be very difficult for her to prove her allegations, and thus Kavanaugh not getting confirmed.

PassableTranny

09-23-2018, 03:01 PM

Zero corroborating witnesses?

Good luck with that

Thursday at 10AM. Public Hearing.

You sound scared.

rmt

09-23-2018, 03:02 PM

Yes it is. At least that's how he's decided to showcase himself in here.

I ask again, have you read cd98's posts since he started posting in this section? Of what he has written here, what leads you to believe he's not just a super partisan hack?

He's ducks with a brain and way better writing skills.

I disagree - imho, that bolded statement is an opinion (not fact) - yours, not mine.

You see cd98 as biased. (In this thread), I see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

OTOH, I see CryHavoc as biased (in this thread). Maybe you see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

BTW, I try to disassociate posts from posters - easier to not hold grudges/remember past disagreements. Of course, this is easier for some than others.

Might I remind you that ducks - if, as you imply, is without a brain - was the only one on this board who correctly believed that Trump would win that election.

rmt

09-23-2018, 03:04 PM

And please, CryHavoc, the above post is just a reference for Reck - no insult to you.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:06 PM

:lol cd98 doesn't want an FBI investigation at all. That's stupidly biased.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 03:07 PM

:lmao good luck getting him to answer.It's amusing how certain posters love to float rumors, but suddenly get bashful when asked where they got them.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:08 PM

It's amusing how certain posters love to float rumors, but suddenly get bashful when asked where they got them.Did he delete the post or was there a formatting error in your request?

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:11 PM

I disagree - imho, that bolded statement is an opinion (not fact) - yours, not mine.

You see cd98 as biased. (In this thread), I see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

OTOH, I see CryHavoc as biased (in this thread). Maybe you see him as bending over backward trying to be fair.

BTW, I try to disassociate posts from posters - easier to not hold grudges/remember past disagreements. Of course, this is easier for some than others.

Might I remind you that ducks - if, as you imply, is without a brain - was the only one on this board who correctly believed that Trump would win that election.

Many see him as biased. Not just me.

It's not an opinion either. It's just easy to dissect him. You people are highly transparant.

You, him, Darrin, Derp, ducks are all the same posters roll into one.

cd98 is also dishonest. Cant bother to look the post up but he's made several claims where he cant back up with....facts.

Called people liars, cited false stories without providing proof and used a silly argument that since he's a lawyer he's right and downright refused to owned up when he's corrected. or simply, he ran from the argument when he's losing it which is a lot.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 03:11 PM

Did he delete the post or was there a formatting error in your request?my bad on the formatting, post is still there

ElNono

09-23-2018, 03:12 PM

PassableTranny

09-23-2018, 03:14 PM

You, him, Darrin, Derp, ducks are all the same posters roll into one.

cd98 is also dishonest

Amen, sister!

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:15 PM

compulsive alt creation

PassableTranny

09-23-2018, 03:16 PM

You people are highly transparant.

Good recruiting, girl!

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:18 PM

I've seen percentages like 85% chance of Kavanaugh getting confirmed thrown around here. I think it's actually a bit higher, and increases as days go by.

Increased to about 96% or so the last hour. He'll testify after she does which will leave a stronger impression on these senators. And by impression I mean just a handful. Kavanaugh has at least 48 votes no matter what. We're talking about convincing just 2 or 3 here.

rmt

09-23-2018, 03:18 PM

Many see him as biased. Not just me.

It's not an opinion either. It's just easy to dissect him. You people are highly transparant.

You, him, Darrin, Derp, ducks are all the same posters roll into one.

cd98 is also dishonest. Cant bother to look the post up but he's made several claims where he cant back up with....facts.

Called people liars, cited false stories without providing proof and used a silly argument that since he's a lawyer he's right and downright refused to owned up when he's corrected. or simply, he ran from the argument when he's losing it which is a lot.

Oh no - I thought some of us don't have brains, some write in complete sentences, some have better writing skills and some predict really well :-)

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:20 PM

Oh no - I thought some of us don't have brains, some write in complete sentences, some have better writing skills and some predict really well :-)

That's it? That's all you have?

lol

Go ahead and dispute any of what I just said partaining to him.

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:23 PM

transparant.

partaining

:lol For the next time misspelled words trigger you.

rmt

09-23-2018, 03:23 PM

That's it? That's all you have?

lol

Go ahead and dispute any of what I just said partaining to him.

Just having some fun. Bias is a matter of opinion, Reck. That's why I'm here - to hear the other side (and laugh at the little jokes).

And Federer is choking again.

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:24 PM

compulsive alt creation

And the kicker here is that he accuses you of being a sociopath. :lol

Projection is derp's main weapon.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:25 PM

And the kicker here is that he accuses you of being a sociopath. :lol

Projection is derp's main weapon.Ask him to count up how many times he's mentioned you in the past month.

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:26 PM

Ask him to count up how many times he's mentioned you in the past month.

30+ pages worth of mentions if you go into my quotes and mention profile just from him alone. :lmao

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:26 PM

And the kicker here is that he accuses you of being a sociopath. :lol

Projection is derp's main weapon.

:lol "the kicker"
:lol The tranny parameters for sociopathy

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:27 PM

30+ pages worth of mentions if you go into my quotes and mention profile just from him alone. :lmao:rollin

cd98

09-23-2018, 03:30 PM

Source?

https://nypost.com/2018/09/22/how-feinstein-is-conspiring-to-destroy-kavanaugh/

I don’t know what’s really going on behind the scenes, but to think both sides aren’t doing things is naive. But I guess I’m biased bc there is no evidence of the claim and therefore, I think it’s specious.

Reck

09-23-2018, 03:30 PM

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 03:31 PM

That standard applies both ways. You're judging Ms Ford as guilty of lying before she even had a chance to tell her story.

Plus, not sure where your rant is directed? at least in this thread the general consensus seems to be that it's going to be very difficult for her to prove her allegations, and thus Kavanaugh not getting confirmed.

I'm not saying she is definitively lying. She jusy has no proof. And the other people involved have made her no proof story even less valuable. There isn't a history of other no proof accusations either. The idea that this should eliminate him from this position is ridiculous.

My comments like that generally directed at a recent post by someone. It also captures a general reality though.

dabom

09-23-2018, 03:32 PM

30+ pages worth of mentions if you go into my quotes and mention profile just from him alone. :lmao

:lol

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 03:33 PM

Did he delete the post or was there a formatting error in your request?post is still there. cd98's source was the NY Post.

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:33 PM

:rollin

I regularly page our resident tranny on matters that pertain to him/her. My quotes/mentions don't work past page one, anyhow. Anyone crying out about a log is likely triggered. :lol

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:36 PM

I regularly page our resident tranny on matters that pertain to him/her. My quotes/mentions don't work past page one, anyhow. Anyone crying out about a log is likely triggered. :lolNo one is crying about your compulsion.

We're laughing. :lol

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:39 PM

No one is crying about your compulsion.

We're laughing. :lol

Relevance is not compulsion.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 03:40 PM

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 03:41 PM

Relevance is not compulsion.How many times would you say you mention Blake and Reck in a day?

cd98

09-23-2018, 03:44 PM

cd98 really dislikes liberals in general. There's really no way you can walk out of his posts in this thread without that impression.

Does that mean he's biased? sure. Does it mean he's wrong? not at all. He's entitled to his opinion and isn't the first or last to hold that position.

That said, he's been cavalier enough to admit we need to hear this woman and not jump to conclusions just yet, even if his gut feeling is that it's going to be extremely difficult for her to actually prove the allegation happened.

And in that last part, I think most people here are in agreement. I've seen percentages like 85% chance of Kavanaugh getting confirmed thrown around here. I think it's actually a bit higher, and increases as days go by.

I actually like liberals very much. I was a minority in law school. The guys I know debate more honestly. You can differ on opinions and still be civil. I think I have been. I think we all have bias whether we acknowledge it or not. I hold Ford to a preponderance of evidence standard, which is what she’d be required to prove if she sued Kavanaugh in civil court. It’s a lower standard than a criminal standard. It’s basically does the evidence make it more likely than not that she was assaulted by Kavanaugh. And I think at this point, Ford can’t come close to that standard.

So while you may call me whatever you want, I have a standard that I use that is tried and true. I know, I know, this isn’t a court of law. But Kavanaugh has been accused of a crime and there must be some standard. If someone thinks I’m wrong, then explain your standard and explain why mine is biased and your stanard isn’t. That’s not directed at Nono, it’s at anyone.

And My position is Ford has no evidence from what I know, but I’m open to reconsider if she fills the gaps or gets some other evidence that can support her claim. I think a non verifiable accusation isn’t sufficient to keep someone off the bench.

Winehole23

09-23-2018, 03:45 PM

https://nypost.com/2018/09/22/how-feinstein-is-conspiring-to-destroy-kavanaugh/

I don’t know what’s really going on behind the scenes, but to think both sides aren’t doing things is naive. But I guess I’m biased bc there is no evidence of the claim and therefore, I think it’s specious.I don't really know what's going on, so I'm just going to throw some stuff on the wall.

Don't blame me, everyone does it!

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:47 PM

...

What percent chance do you think there is that Ford is telling the truth? You're carrying this torch awfully high.

cd98

09-23-2018, 03:48 PM

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1043949923388076032

So just to be clear. He first claimed he didn't know this woman or that any party took place but he now has calendars with notes from when he was 17 years old that "proves" he wasn't at that particular party. :lmao

:lol 17 year kept calendars of his activities for decades

What a development!

For the record, I know Kavanaugh denied the party and the incident. I never heard him say he didn’t know Ford. That would be a good fact to know, but I don’t think it’s been reported.

Its kind of silly though. How does he prove a negative in your mind? She can’t say where or when this happened. How does he mount a defense? You do agree that he should have a right to prove his innocence? You do think Ford should first fill in the gaps?

cd98

09-23-2018, 03:50 PM

I don't really know what's going on, so I'm just going to throw some stuff on the wall.

Don't blame me, everyone does it!

What? I’m saying I don’t have first hand knowledge. But this article supports that Ford has been working with activists. It’s as solid as everything you’ve posted and said about ol Ed.

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 03:51 PM

For the record, I know Kavanaugh denied the party and the incident. I never heard him say he didn’t know Ford. That would be a good fact to know, but I don’t think it’s been reported.

Its kind of silly though. How does he prove a negative in your mind? She can’t say where or when this happened. How does he mount a defense? You do agree that he should have a right to prove his innocence? You do think Ford should first fill in the gaps?

She's likely a triggered uber lefty professor who thinks the ends justifies the means. This is why she's heading into it with gaps.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:14 PM

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1043321476131291136?s=20

What an idiot.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 04:16 PM

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1043321476131291136?s=20

What an idiot.lol triggered

The current rush is hilarious to see though.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:16 PM

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1043321476131291136?s=20

What an idiot.

So many many likes for absolute nonsense. Good thing he's shaping narrative for millions.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:18 PM

lol triggered

The current rush is hilarious to see though.

There would be no rush if Dems didn't sit on it. So now there is a rush and there is no reason to hold things up based on a story getting less and less credible.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 04:20 PM

There would be no rush if Dems didn't sit on it. So now there is a rush and there is no reason to hold things up based on a story getting less and less credible.WE HAVE TO RUSH NOW BECAUSE WE HAD TO DELAY FOR MONTHS BEFORE TO STOP BLACK PRESIDENT

rmt

09-23-2018, 04:20 PM

Simply the GOAT - still bringing it - even at age 37.

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 04:21 PM

WE HAVE TO RUSH NOW BECAUSE WE HAD TO DELAY FOR MONTHS BEFORE TO STOP BLACK PRESIDENT

:lol Cuck'ing it up.
:lol You're extra desperate today.
:lol Caps locking; begging for attention.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:22 PM

In fact the quicker we get to the story the more accurate it will be. The longer you wait from the alledged incident the less accurate your recall will be.:lmao

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 04:22 PM

:lol Cuck'ing it up.
:lol You're extra desperate today.Nah, I just don't see the need for the scared ass rush they're in.

Why the rush?

If an FBI investigation takes as long as it did for Hill, it would be done before the hearing.

Why not do that?

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 04:23 PM

Nah, I just don't see the need for the scared ass rush they're in.

Why the rush?

How's it a rush? This has been going on for months.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 04:24 PM

How's it a rush? This has been going on for months.The accusations have not been going on for months.

So disingenuous.

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:26 PM

Anything beyond her speed is a "rush" and basically rape according to that tweet.

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 04:28 PM

The accusations have not been going on for months.

So disingenuous.

Ford's been granted seven delays and I'm still not calling for a vote before Thursday.

:lmao "So disingenuous"

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:28 PM

They have but Dems sat on it. Not very important I guess. When should they make the determination?

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 04:33 PM

They have but Dems sat on it. Not very important I guess. When should they make the determination?Why not have the FBI investigate the accusations like they did with Hill?

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 04:34 PM

She's likely a triggered uber lefty professor who thinks the ends justifies the means. This is why she's heading into it with gaps.

you could've opted not to include "likely" and your statement would be dead on.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 04:35 PM

There would be no rush if Dems didn't sit on it. So now there is a rush and there is no reason to hold things up based on a story getting less and less credible.

:tu exactly

Nathan89

09-23-2018, 04:48 PM

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1043867053067657216?s=20

Another brilliant take. Why the fuck was she elected.:lmao

hitmanyr2k

09-23-2018, 04:57 PM

Spurtacular

09-23-2018, 05:04 PM

you could've opted not to include "likely" and your statement would be dead on.

It's only likely b/c there's the tiniest, slimmest of chances that she's not a liar...

cd98

09-23-2018, 05:18 PM

If I know I'm innocent and have nothing to hide I wouldn't mind an investigation to clear my name that would last a few weeks tops. If that means delaying the vote a few weeks from now what's that going to hurt?
It could be investigated if Ford filed a complaint with the police in Maryland. Why hasn’t she done it? Usually people go to the police, not their senator, when they claim they are a victim of a crime.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:21 PM

It could be investigated if Ford filed a complaint with the police in Maryland. Why hasn’t she done it? Usually people go to the police, not their senator, when they claim they are a victim of a crime.The FBI is supposed to do the background check.

Why are you demanding they not do their job?

Disingenuous.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 05:23 PM

The FBI is supposed to do the background check.

Why are you demanding they not do their job?

Disingenuous.

they did it what 5 times prior already? lmao!

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:24 PM

they did it what 5 times prior already? lmao!Exactly.

Why reinvent the wheel for this investigation?

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 05:30 PM

Exactly.

Why reinvent the wheel for this investigation?

5 fucking fbi background checks aren't enough i see. so with that said, i guess we can conclude there's no use for the fbi to begin with because they must be incompetent.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:35 PM

5 fucking fbi background checks aren't enough i see. so with that said, i guess we can conclude there's no use for the fbi to begin with because they must be incompetent.They did not investigate the accusations because the accusations had not been raised before.

This is really simple stuff.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 05:50 PM

They did not investigate the accusations because the accusations had not been raised before.

This is really simple stuff.

their background checks are pretty thorough but they missed this after 5 background checks and 4 "witnesses" they probably talked to along the way? lmao!

btw, it's not simple stuff but you sir are simple.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:51 PM

their background checks are pretty thorough but they missed this after 5 background checks and 4 "witnesses" they probably talked to along the way? lmao!No, the FBI didn't investigate the accusation from last week.

This is really simple stuff. If you are unable to follow, let me know. I'll try to dumb it down even more.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 05:53 PM

No, the FBI didn't investigate the accusation from last week.

This is really simple stuff. If you are unable to follow, let me know. I'll try to dumb it down even more.

your condescending ways just prove how little you know about everything in this world. check your ego you maniac.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:55 PM

your condescending ways just prove how little you know about everything in this world. check your ego you maniac.You just proved how little you know about this issue. Don't get pissy because you did it yourself.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 05:57 PM

You just proved how little you know about this issue. Don't get pissy because you did it yourself.

god damn smh at your bs is getting old. you'd probably sell amway if it was far left.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 05:58 PM

god damn smh at your bs is getting old. you'd probably sell amway if it was far left.Your ignorance has been your problem from the start.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 06:00 PM

Your ignorance has been your problem from the start.

projection is a hell of a drug.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 06:01 PM

projection is a hell of a drug.Ignorance seems to be your drug of choice.

koriwhat

09-23-2018, 06:03 PM

Ignorance seems to be your drug of choice.

lmao whatever you say pot

cd98

09-23-2018, 06:13 PM

The FBI is supposed to do the background check.

Why are you demanding they not do their job?

Disingenuous.

Uh, they did do their job. They did a background check. Diane Feinstein sat on the allegation and never raised the issue in the private meetings she had with Kavanaugh and never raised it at the hearing. If they thought an investigation was so important, why didn't they start one in July? Why not give the info to the FBI in July instead of raising the issue a few days before the date to confirm?

But again, we all know that with the information on the table, there is no way to investigate. The other three people alleged to have been there have signed statements under threat of perjury and criminal prosecution saying they have no idea what Ford is talking about and they have no knowledge of they party. The only one that hasn't said anything about this under oath is Ford.

Pavlov

09-23-2018, 06:14 PM

Uh, they did do their job. They did a background check. Diane Feinstein sat on the allegation and never raised the issue in the private meetings she had with Kavanaugh and never raised it at the hearing. If they thought an investigation was so important, why didn't they start one in July? Why not give the info to the FBI in July instead of raising the issue a few days before the date to confirm?

But again, we all know that with the information on the table, there is no way to investigate. The other three people alleged to have been there have signed statements under threat of perjury and criminal prosecution saying they have no idea what Ford is talking about and they have no knowledge of they party. The only one that hasn't said anything about this under oath is Ford.Now there's new information for the background check.

Let the FBI investigate it. It won't take long and your side has nothing to hide.