2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[Bruno]

Feels like in the last 24 hours whatever they where hoping to use the Graham piece for (Markenen or otherwise) didnt materialize, and they pivoted to the Derozan thing. The extra ~3M they opened up should help make sure they can facilitate the SAC trade and the Paul signing no?

It seems the most likely.

Another theory is that Spurs are just being extra cheap. Between the $2.85M they won't give to Graham and the little cash they received from Hornets to make the trade legal, ownership has saved about $3M with that trade.

That would be quite depressing...

[Seventyniner]

Nuggets had to trade three second rounders to dump Reggie Jackson's $5.2 million salary. Only one second rounder for Graham and his $2.85 million guarantee is pretty impressive in comparison.

Graham deserves some credit because if he doesn't agree to delay the guarantee, the Spurs are likely out another second rounder.

Graham has handled this past year plus like a total pro. Benched for most of the year, delayed his guarantee date, but not a peep out of him in complaint and he played well when he had the chance.

Hats off to you Devonte'.

[LeBowen]

Graham has handled this past year plus like a total pro. Benched for most of the year, delayed his guarantee date, but not a peep out of him in complaint and he played well when he had the chance.

Hats off to you Devonte'.

That's how you stay in the league as a fringe player.
Every well-ran team wants to know how veterans behave when they start collecting DNPs.

[Teamduncan21]

Typically, players "get something out of" amending their deals like this given their leverage. It's possible Graham would've been signed to a better deal if he were allowed to hit the market on 07/01. But he still has a lot of time. It was a risk, even a small one, and credit to Graham if he did it for free even knowing the Spurs had no intention of keeping him.

Can't spurs just waive him if he doesn't?

[scott]

OKC signs Ajay Mitchell (pick 38) to a two-way. Surprised he wasn't a Spurs target at 35 if he was willing to sign a Two-Way.

[CGD]

Graham's salary doesn't make sense if we're matching Markkanen's $18M.

Keldon is on $19M and Collins is on $16.7M this season.

Collins+Keldon+Branham+Sochan matches other Collins+Lauri perfectly.
I'd honestly do that trade if it lowers the amount of picks required.

It actually does, but it’s also the case they can use Keldon for a trade instead.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzyfLWz1XM

[timvp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzyfLWz1XM

How is that the opening highlight? :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Pls keep Prince Bassey's name out your damn mouths. Use Champ's instead. Kthx.

Would rather keep Champ. He's good defensively just needs to have a consistent 3.

[MannyIsGod]

Nuggets had to trade three second rounders to dump Reggie Jackson's $5.2 million salary. Only one second rounder for Graham and his $2.85 million guarantee is pretty impressive in comparison.

Graham deserves some credit because if he doesn't agree to delay the guarantee, the Spurs are likely out another second rounder.

Graham was incredibly professional in his time here. Can't complain one bit about that guy. Plus he completely fucked over Denver. Retire that mans number.

[MannyIsGod]

Graham's salary doesn't make sense if we're matching Markkanen's $18M.

Keldon is on $19M and Collins is on $16.7M this season.

Collins+Keldon+Branham+Sochan matches other Collins+Lauri perfectly.
I'd honestly do that trade if it lowers the amount of picks required.

There's zero chance of this gross trade happening. Why are we getting rid of two good young assets for Collins? Yeah no.

[LeBowen]

There's zero chance of this gross trade happening. Why are we getting rid of two good young assets for Collins? Yeah no.

We'd get rid of two young assets to get Lauri in return.
Taking on other Collins salary would also lower the asking price in terms of picks. And he's a better player than our Collins.

Won't happen, but still.

[Cabrito]

While nothing can compare to the Angelo Drossos days, it would be depressing if the front office/ownership is currently being cheap. Although no use ruminating until this plays out.

Back in the 70s and early 80s, management would try and negotiate lower base player salaries because they made the playoffs every year and got playoff bonuses. Now that is cheap. ��

[Chinook]

Can't spurs just waive him if he doesn't?

Sure, but that wouldn't've cost him anything

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzyfLWz1XM

I wonder if the Celtics will do a tribute to him too for his game winner against the Nuggets?

[CGD]

It seems the most likely.

Another theory is that Spurs are just being extra cheap. Between the $2.85M they won't give to Graham and the little cash they received from Hornets to make the trade legal, ownership has saved about $3M with that trade.

That would be quite depressing...

In that case, I don’t mind them being cheap this year, but I hope it’s not an indication of things to come when they HAVE to spend money.

[Teamduncan21]

Sure, but that wouldn't've cost him anything

Cause I was thinking the incentive was either we waive you now. Or we try to find a trade for you with chance of guarantee.

So from DG view. Either it's guaranteed waived now. Or wait a week maybe. Just maybe he gets guaranteed.

Turns out he didn't. But it's a gamble

[Twisted_Dawg]

While nothing can compare to the Angelo Drossos days, it would be depressing if the front office/ownership is currently being cheap. Although no use ruminating until this plays out.

Back in the 70s and early 80s, management would try and negotiate lower base player salaries because they made the playoffs every year and got playoff bonuses. Now that is cheap. ��

The Red McComb days weren't much better. Recall Red making the team fly commercial? A n d Southwest at that.

[jjspur]

It seems the most likely.

Another theory is that Spurs are just being extra cheap. Between the $2.85M they won't give to Graham and the little cash they received from Hornets to make the trade legal, ownership has saved about $3M with that trade.

That would be quite depressing...

The spurs have been known to be extra cheap before .. doesn't seem like this is anything new.

[SpursFan86]

Fontecchio Please.

Fontecchio back to Detroit for 2 years/$16MM per Woj. Really solid deal, surprised that’s all he got.

[objective]

It seems the most likely.

Another theory is that Spurs are just being extra cheap. Between the $2.85M they won't give to Graham and the little cash they received from Hornets to make the trade legal, ownership has saved about $3M with that trade.

That would be quite depressing...

Don't forget that sweet sweet Furphy money and the savings of stashing Nunez

Had to dump the RFA tag on Barlow to avoid the temptation to match an offer

Those ownerspawn BBLs and vacays don't pay for themselves :lol

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1809710417544974707

[sfernald]

Spursian type player Landry Shamet just became a UFA as Washington didn't offer. Career 38% 3pt shooter. What say you Spur fan?

Let’s cut deadwood Wesley, Branham & Bassey and pick up spursian shooters Shamet, Fournier and ??? (Forgot the third dude) for the vet minimum.

[Mr. Body]

Let’s cut deadwood Wesley, Branham & Bassey and pick up spursian shooters Shamet, Fournier and ??? (Forgot the third dude) for the vet minimum.

They're so good we can't even remember their names.

[sfernald]

They're so good we can't even remember their names.

Bertans of course!

[RC_Drunkford]

How is that the opening highlight? :lmao

Spurs culture :bobo

[sfernald]

Spurs didn't pay a lot to dump Graham. Spurs have three 2025 second round pick (own, Bulls and Pelicans) and they are sending the one that will likely be the worst. Great trade. :tu

I do hope Spurs did this trade because they want to use their cap space and that it isn't just a financial trade. If Spurs are cheap at that point, it would be very worrisome for the future...

Listen we have to keep our finances in order.. Do you think Presti leaves a dime on the floor!?

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1809719161574080759

[timvp]

Talked to a Kings guy. Sounds like DeRozan won't be announced until tomorrow. :sleep

Hopefully it leaks before then. He's already there in Sacramento so I don't know how long they are going to draw this out.

Kings guy thinks Huerter to the Spurs and Barnes will be used to get Ingram, Kuzma or .... some third guy I'm not remembering. But my guess remains Barnes to the Spurs.

[Splits]

Talked to a Kings guy. Sounds like DeRozan won't be announced until tomorrow. :sleep

Hopefully it leaks before then. He's already there in Sacramento so I don't know how long they are going to draw this out.

Kings guy thinks Huerter to the Spurs and Barnes will be used to get Ingram, Kuzma or .... some third guy I'm not remembering. But my guess remains Barnes to the Spurs.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOdKSgjCcAAMqVd?format=jpg&name=small

[Leetonidas]

Huerter for free isn't terrible. If he can bounce back he could be a decent role player

[AusSpur]

Talked to a Kings guy. Sounds like DeRozan won't be announced until tomorrow. :sleep

Hopefully it leaks before then. He's already there in Sacramento so I don't know how long they are going to draw this out.

Kings guy thinks Huerter to the Spurs and Barnes will be used to get Ingram, Kuzma or .... some third guy I'm not remembering. But my guess remains Barnes to the Spurs.

Harrison 'American Risacher' Barnes to the Spurs - we stacked!

[TD 21]

Huerter doesn't fit on this roster. He was already a malcontent last season with his role being slashed and here he'd likely be limited to mostly non Vassell minutes. It'd also mean between them and Castle, they'd have no true SF most of the time, as Johnson would have to play more PF, all of which would make them too small on the wings.

It only adds up if he'd be rerouted in a Markkanen (who will probably end up with the Warriors for Wiggins and picks) or some other trade.

Added benefit of DeRozan to Kings is it'll speed up Fox asking out. He's not necessarily who I'd want, but it's always good to have more options.

[exstatic]

Huerter doesn't fit on this roster. He was already a malcontent last season with his role being slashed and here he'd likely be limited to mostly non Vassell minutes. It'd also mean between them and Castle, they'd have no true SF most of the time, as Johnson would have to play more PF, all of which would make them too small on the wings.

It only adds up if he'd be rerouted in a Markkanen (who will probably end up with the Warriors for Wiggins and picks) or some other trade.

Added benefit of DeRozan to Kings is it'll speed up Fox asking out. He's not necessarily who I'd want, but it's always good to have more options.

Heurter is 6’7” and is listed as a SG/SF. His two years in Sacto, he was +2 and neutral on netrtg. Fucking replace Champaigne with him, and we are massively better.

[Spurs Homer]

A shooter a shooter a shooter a fuckin shooter at last!

[TD 21]

Heurter is 6’7” and is listed as a SG/SF. His two years in Sacto, he was +2 and neutral on netrtg. Fucking replace Champaigne with him, and we are massively better.

I'm aware. Again, size is more than height though. Huerter is scrawny and t-rex armed, not the type suited to "defending up" (nor is Vassell), and Castle is already replacing Champagnie.

[SpursBills]

Hope if it's Huerter that Wright convinces the Kings to give up an asset for him - net negative defender and check out his splits after the all-star break. Kings fans were saying he had the yips, but if he comes in with 40/32/50 splits or even something close like he averaged after the All-star break last year, that 17 million/year over two years is going to look worse than Zach Collins' contract.

[Dejounte]

Barnes has more value for this team than Huerter does. Huerter’s youth is overrated. Barnes’ addition benefits the team overall, IMO.

[DPG21920]

Talked to a Kings guy. Sounds like DeRozan won't be announced until tomorrow. :sleep

Hopefully it leaks before then. He's already there in Sacramento so I don't know how long they are going to draw this out.

Kings guy thinks Huerter to the Spurs and Barnes will be used to get Ingram, Kuzma or .... some third guy I'm not remembering. But my guess remains Barnes to the Spurs.

Any idea on Spurs getting draft compensation or not as well?

[Cardinal]

Very much hope it’s Barnes and not Heurtrr

[Degoat]

I hope its Huerter but it’s gonna be Barnes lol

[objective]

Spurs have to eat salary for an extra year for no reason? Doing favors for 2nd round picks?

Rather have DeRozan on a one year favor than an extra year if either of those other guys

[scott]

The more I think of it, the less is makes sense for the Spurs to take either Barnes or Huerter unless one of two things are true:

1) we’re getting real draft compensation
2) we’re making some other significant move (Lauri, Ingram, someone who’s name we haven’t heard, doesn’t matter)

If the Spurs did all this talking about maintaining Summer 2025 flexibility only to turn around and lock into another $17MM for two years in exchange for an SRP we’ll eventually just sell, that would be quite the nut punch.

The good news is, both #1 and #2 above are smart moves. They’re directionally opposed, but that’s okay - at least there is a direction and the Spurs are doing something about furthering the path in that direction (whatever it is)

[DPG21920]

The more I think of it, the less is makes sense for the Spurs to take either Barnes or Huerter unless one of two things are true:

1) we’re getting real draft compensation
2) we’re making some other significant move (Lauri, Ingram, someone who’s name we haven’t heard, doesn’t matter)

If the Spurs did all this talking about maintaining Summer 2025 flexibility only to turn around and lock into another $17MM for two years in exchange for an SRP we’ll eventually just sell, that would be quite the nut punch.

The good news is, both #1 and #2 above are smart moves. They’re directionally opposed, but that’s okay - at least there is a direction and the Spurs are doing something about furthering the path in that direction (whatever it is)

I think Huerter and Barnes should retain value into next off season where sa gets compensation if they need to move them for space OR they are good for use in trades.

[scott]

I think Huerter and Barnes should retain value into next off season where sa gets compensation if they need to move them for space OR they are good for use in trades.

Retain what value? They apparently don’t have any value now if we’re going to get one of them for free, essentially.

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope we get a first from Sacramento and then throw that one at Ainge to finish the Markkanen trade. That would be 4D chess

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1809746002108117203

[scott]

I just hope we get a first from Sacramento and then throw that one at Ainge to finish the Markkanen trade. That would be 4D chess

From your keyboard to god’s ears. Let’s manifest this into existence.

But in keeping with my schtick… I doubt PAFTO has even thought about this.

[Eaglenole2002]

Barnes or Huerter are here to help add shooting to the rotation this year and in a year would have good salary filler for a major deal with either on expiring contracts. I’m not worried about them having two years left on the deal. There are always teams looking to add salary for a second round pick or two.

[scott]

Barnes or Huerter are here to help add shooting to the rotation this year and in a year would have good salary filler for a major deal with either on expiring contracts. I’m not worried about them having two years left on the deal. There are always teams looking to add salary for a second round pick or two.

In theory, yes… but if we go by what’s been reported, the Spurs don’t think this way. There are lots of players who would be good salary filler on a two-year deal, but *reportedly* the Spurs are only interested in expirings for max flexibility next off-season.

Now, I’ll be the first to say, that those reports are just that… reports. But IF those reports were true, it would be weird to go against that philosophy to collect an extra SRP. If it’s to get real compensation (an extra FRP or swap, for example) or to set up a big move… then that would be worth going counter to your approach for.

[rankingtear]

Huerter in between Sochan and Castle is intriguing. He has rare playmaking for his archetype and between Sochan and Castle you already covered the primary and secondary initiator defense against any player spectrum. The goal ultimately is to field a no midget lineup with enough offense.

[dbestpro]

Would like to see Barnes work on Sochan's BBIQ.

[Mugen]

Barnes would probably be a better fit roster wise but I'd prefer Huerter tbh.

[DPG21920]

Retain what value? They apparently don’t have any value now if we’re going to get one of them for free, essentially.

It’s situational. They need to be taken into cap space to get a player who has more value. That doesn’t mean they have no value.

[CGD]

I don't have this number:
Vassell: $29.35M
Johnson: $19M
Collins: $16.74M
Wembanyama: $12.77M
Paul: $11M
Castle: $9.1M
Jones: $9.1M
Sochan: $5.57M
Branham: $3.22M
Champagnie $3M
Wesley: $2.62M
Bassey: $2.5M
Cissoko: $1.89M

=> $125.86M for 13 players.

$14.73M in cap space. If Spurs waive Bassey, it's $17.23M.

Is it correct then to say that if they did the SAC trade they would be able to take a salary back that is up to 125% of the available cap space amount (so about 18.4M)?

Otherwise I’m struggle to see how they can take back a Huerter or Barnes w/o also sending out something of their own.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1809766189901504911

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1809767148878737904

[scott]

Anyone subscribe to Stein and can tell us what that says?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MavsPR/status/1809769317216710666

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1809773876651692226

[jeebus]

Barnes it is!

[Degoat]

Tell us who it is Haynes!!!

[r0drig0lac]

the new big3 Fox/Demar/Sabas lol


https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1809773845265437025

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1809774109993152873

[jeebus]

Wright has a fetish:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809775079846228207

[Strategic]

Was kinda hoping Klay would pull a DeAndre Jordan on the mavs. Don’t know why except it was so damn funny.

[rankingtear]

BWrong got an unprotected first swap?

[Kindergarten Cop]

I apologize if this has been asked/answered in another thread, but what effect (if any) does this have on the likelihood of the Spurs involvement in a Markkanen trade?

[DPG21920]

I apologize if this has been asked/answered in another thread, but what effect (if any) does this have on the likelihood of the Spurs involvement in a Markkanen trade?

Functionally none. It just means that Sa would have to send out salary in a deal vs being able to absorb all or most of Lauri deal but that was prob always the case since uta likely would want a player anyways

[NASpurs]

Wright has a fetish:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809775079846228207

https://artcrimearchivenet.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/d2249-e9437e_da0de765caec40e2a30f86bfa7dcf49cmv2.jpg

[Mr. Body]

I apologize if this has been asked/answered in another thread, but what effect (if any) does this have on the likelihood of the Spurs involvement in a Markkanen trade?

None, in terms of assets and what they can do.

[tbdog]

Barnes and Duarte plus pick swap. Fuck yeah. What a deal. Surely Wesley or Branham is out.

[Robz4000]

Barnes and Duarte plus pick swap. Fuck yeah. What a deal. Surely Wesley or Branham is out.

Duarte is going to the Bulls tbh.

[tbdog]

Oh right. Thanks.

[Mr. Body]

Duarte is going to the Bulls tbh.

DIdn't realize how much that guy's fallen off a cliff.

[spursparker9]

That 2032 pick swap is First or Second Round??

[sfernald]

It’s a 2031 first unprotected pick swap actually, not 2032.

[Pauleta14]

That 2032 pick swap is First or Second Round??

first

[objective]

Is 2032 even eligible?

[sfernald]

first

Woz corrected himself. It’s 2031 swap.

[barakz21]

I haven’t really paid much attention to Barnes throughout the years. Besides the fact that during the draft, he was supposedly a dude who’s got the talent but people aren’t sure if he’s actually got what it takes to or willing to put in the effort to put it all together. Iirc, he was branded as the Dubs’ x-factor, this was pre-championship Dubs.

So what then, are we getting in Barnes, in terms of what he brings to the table, both off and on the court?

[sfernald]

I haven’t really paid much attention to Barnes throughout the years. Besides the fact that during the draft, he was supposedly a dude who’s got the talent but people aren’t sure if he’s actually got what it takes to or willing to put in the effort to put it all together. Iirc, he was branded as the Dubs’ x-factor, this was pre-championship Dubs.

So what then, are we getting in Barnes, in terms of what he brings to the table, both off and on the court?

A true professional. Stand up guy. Rarely injured. Very steady and smart. 1000x better than Champanie!


https://youtu.be/quQpkDJsjaE?si=2I2tF4q6jTEJgeau

[tbdog]

Just consider this. We upgraded our roster. Got two low level starters and didn't lose depth in return. This isn't situation where we are trading a role player for a low level starter. We essentially just dumped those role players back to their roles. That alone adds wins. The downside is Castle will be a negative in your first year though.

[MannyIsGod]

Did the Spurs create a trade exemption with the Grahm trade?

[barakz21]

A true professional. Stand up guy. Rarely injured. Very steady and smart. 1000x better than Champanie!


https://youtu.be/quQpkDJsjaE?si=2I2tF4q6jTEJgeau

That’s pretty awesome then!

[Bruno]

Did the Spurs create a trade exemption with the Grahm trade?

They did but they will have to renounce at it to open cap space for the Barnes trade.

[MannyIsGod]

They did but they will have to renounce at it to open cap space for the Barnes trade.

Wait what? lol

That's wild.

[sfernald]

Wait what? lol

That's wild.

wont they have to dump somebody to cover salary for Barnes trade kicker?

[DPG21920]

Wait what? lol

That's wild.

Yup. Anytime you send out salary without taking as much back you get that TE. But it functions just like a cap hold so its not any different than just having Graham salary on the books lol

[ace3g]

https://x.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1809785314111590583

[MannyIsGod]

Yup. Anytime you send out salary without taking as much back you get that TE. But it functions just like a cap hold so its not any different than just having Graham salary on the books lol

TIL TE's count against the cap.

[RC_Drunkford]

Welp no Markkanen, but still a great move

[JR3]

Great moves today. Our team got better.

[scott]

Overshadowed by the massive power shift created by the Harrison Barnes deal... this guy signed a contract.

1808476832821391664

[barakz21]

Assuming no other moves are made, what do ya’ll think the rotation would look like? I think it’d be CP-Vassell-Castle-Sochan-Wemby, then Tre/Castle-???-KJ-Barnes-Zollins? Then whoever left will soak up minutes depending on how the game’s going. ??? will probably be Branham, but it seems like THEY aren’t sold on him.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1809827601097064822

[spurraider21]

We had to trade keldon or Zollins to get markkanen anyway and now we just added an additional draft asset as potential ammunition.

i don’t think the spurs are gunning for markkanen but i don’t see that this trade makes it any less likely

[Chinook]

We had to trade keldon or Zollins to get markkanen anyway and now we just added an additional draft asset as potential ammunition.

i don’t think the spurs are gunning for markkanen but i don’t see that this trade makes it any less likely

The Spurs should be able to trade Barnes for Mark instead. Because they used cap space to get him, there's zero restriction for including him, aggregating him or whatever. I haven't seen word yet on exactly how much Barnes cost and what the Spurs gave up to fit him into the space, but they can take advantage of the fact that they went that route.

Whatever Spurs reporter thinks this makes the Dillingham trade okay. Yes, the Spurs got two swaps and a pick, and Barnes isn't horrible. But having the eighth pick would've left the Spurs with a chance at a more conservative acquisition. It could've been Connaughton instead of Barnes, for example.

Paul, Jones
Castle, Champangie (if he survived the snap or what else.
Vassell, Johnson
Sochan, Barnes
Wembanyama, Collins

[offset formation]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Branham
Castle/Champagnie
Lauri/Barnes
Wemby/Brook

Second round, here we come.

Sochan?

[CGD]

Remaining questions after this trade:

- Is there a Collins/Lopez swap to be had?

- Do they maximize Tre’s value and move him now?

- Who of the fringe guys survive this?

- How much longer is Keldon on this roster?

[exstatic]

DIdn't realize how much that guy's fallen off a cliff.

He had a good rookie year, and then just hit the skids. One of the hazards of drafting a 23 YO in the lottery.

[Pauleta14]

Remaining questions after this trade:

- Is there a Collins/Lopez swap to be had?

- Do they maximize Tre’s value and move him now?

- Who of the fringe guys survive this?

- How much longer is Keldon on this roster?

I read yesterday that MIL wants a 1RP for Lopez

As much I'd love him instead of Zollins, not sure it's worth it.

[Atl Spur]

A true professional. Stand up guy. Rarely injured. Very steady and smart. 1000x better than Champanie!


https://youtu.be/quQpkDJsjaE?si=2I2tF4q6jTEJgeau

He’ll help for sure…. His type of game is technical, not athletic based. Why would we not welcome a durable, high iq, 39% three point shooting, large sf/pf type? Oh yeah, because we like to bitch!! lol

[fafo]

1809802287809716648

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1809971949151375845

[FireMicoHalili]

1809802287809716648
hard to imagine the 2025 pick conveys given their talent level

[Payote75]

You can still trade for Lauri though if keldon is going out plus maybe zollins and picks? Is that wrong? Or instead of a huge amount of picks maybe it's keldon Sochan and picks etc. I don't think they are necessarily done to be honest.

[Pauleta14]

You can still trade for Lauri though if keldon is going out plus maybe zollins and picks? Is that wrong? Or instead of a huge amount of picks maybe it's keldon Sochan and picks etc. I don't think they are necessarily done to be honest.

I'm afraid Ainge wants talent in return. Vassell has to be the guy in balance but pretty sure it's out of question for PATFO

[LeBowen]

You can still trade for Lauri though if keldon is going out plus maybe zollins and picks? Is that wrong? Or instead of a huge amount of picks maybe it's keldon Sochan and picks etc. I don't think they are necessarily done to be honest.

Keldon $19M
Collins $16.7M
Tre $9.1M
Jeremy $5.5M
Branham $3.2M
Wesley $2.6M

If Bucks come to their senses and realize they're not getting a FRP for Lopez, I'd offer them Collins+Tre and some seconds for Brook+Beauchamp, salaries match perfectly.
I want Castle at point, Tre is an expiring, Collins needs to go.

And we'd still be able to trade Keldon and picks for Lauri.

[Payote75]

Yea I'm definitely out of it's for vassell ..I'm even iffy if it's for keldon and Sochan ...I'd want to keep Sochan but I'd eventually be ok with it because of how the lineup would shake out and I believe that puts us in a great position and maybe sneak up on certain teams barring injury

[Pauleta14]

Keldon $19M
Collins $16.7M
Tre $9.1M
Jeremy $5.5M
Branham $3.2M
Wesley $2.6M

If Bucks come to their senses and realize they're not getting a FRP for Lopez, I'd offer them Collins+Tre and some seconds for Brook+Beauchamp, salaries match perfectly.
I want Castle at point, Tre is an expiring, Collins needs to go.

And we'd still be able to trade Keldon and picks for Lauri.

Bro if we add Lauri and Brook to this roster I'm gonna lose it :lol

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/paulgarcianba/status/1810036091187028213?s=46

[CGD]

https://x.com/paulgarcianba/status/1810036091187028213?s=46

Does this now make the math work? Or do they need to move anyone else?

[onechance87]

https://x.com/paulgarcianba/status/1810036091187028213?s=46

why keep bassey over mamu tho.

[objective]

I don't think a Zollins+ pick(s) trade for Lopez is possible anymore

Per the cbafaq, question 86, because Zollins salary falls within 6.53 and 19.6, the most the Spurs can take back is Zollins salary + 5 million as as non tax team

Zollins is at 16.471, and Lopez is at 23.0.

Trade doesn't work

[spurraider21]

I don't think a Zollins+ pick(s) trade for Lopez is possible anymore

Per the cbafaq, question 86, because Zollins salary falls within 6.53 and 19.6, the most the Spurs can take back is Zollins salary + 5 million as as non tax team

Zollins is at 16.471, and Lopez is at 23.0.

Trade doesn't work
They can throw in a small piece like Bassey to make it work but then it defeats the bucks goal of shedding salary

[MannyIsGod]

why keep bassey over mamu tho.

Bassey is under contract so would need to be waived. They can still resign Mamu to a min deal or into the room exception. they just renounced his cap hold.

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs haven't announced waiving anyone, is it possible Paul took less money?

[Arguendo]

Keldon $19M
Collins $16.7M
Tre $9.1M
Jeremy $5.5M
Branham $3.2M
Wesley $2.6M

If Bucks come to their senses and realize they're not getting a FRP for Lopez, I'd offer them Collins+Tre and some seconds for Brook+Beauchamp, salaries match perfectly.
I want Castle at point, Tre is an expiring, Collins needs to go.

And we'd still be able to trade Keldon and picks for Lauri.
New trade rules make this impossible, until under the 2nd apron MIL cannot trade Brook with anyone else, until under the first apron MIL can’t take a single $1 more than they send out or they are hard capped & even more fucked. So they’d need another deal to get under 2nd, then the salaries would literally need to be a dollar-4-dollar match or less (Collin’s + Tre would be less)

[timvp]

The Spurs haven't announced waiving anyone, is it possible Paul took less money?

It's possible. The CP3 signing is official so I guess we'll find out soon once the Barnes trade goes thru.

[Splits]

since I'm not that smart and also lazy, would be great to have a thread on "Spurs Roster Options from here on out" showing the open roster spots, etc...

[scott]

What kind of thread do I need to start, or what phone number do I call to get the Spurs to not let go of Prince Bassey? That's all I care about at this point. :lol

[Arguendo]

It's possible. The CP3 signing is official so I guess we'll find out soon once the Barnes trade goes thru.
Or maybe Barnes partially reduced the kicker?
Anyone know if the spurs could grant him a new kicker if he waved some/all of this? Spurs have been great with the I’ll scratch your back stuff in the past

[MannyIsGod]

Or maybe Barnes partially reduced the kicker?
Anyone know if the spurs could grant him a new kicker if he waved some/all of this? Spurs have been great with the I’ll scratch your back stuff in the past

I don't think he can reduce the amount the Spurs will have to pay in new salary, just the amount that Sac has to pay now which means nothing to us.

[Pauleta14]

https://youtu.be/tvssUiU2R50?si=tai0tLZEmKrX6ESh

Very informative as usual

[pad300]

...

If Bucks come to their senses and realize they're not getting a FRP for Lopez, I'd offer them Collins+Tre and some seconds for Brook+Beauchamp, salaries match perfectly.
I want Castle at point, Tre is an expiring, Collins needs to go.

...

I'm pretty sure that a trade for Brooks Lopez is a dead duck at this point; the point from MIL's PoV was to reduce their salary to get below the 2nd apron. We don't have the cap space any more to absorb the difference between Lopez' s and Collins' contracts.

[DPG21920]

I don't think he can reduce the amount the Spurs will have to pay in new salary, just the amount that Sac has to pay now which means nothing to us.

I believe, even though the kicker is actually paid by SAC, that the money still counts on salary cap FWIW. So if SAC paid the full amount, then that amount they paid would be divided by 2 (for years left on deal) and added to the annual salary cap amount.

[exstatic]

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And people complain about Brian Wright…

[exstatic]

Keldon $19M
Collins $16.7M
Tre $9.1M
Jeremy $5.5M
Branham $3.2M
Wesley $2.6M

If Bucks come to their senses and realize they're not getting a FRP for Lopez, I'd offer them Collins+Tre and some seconds for Brook+Beauchamp, salaries match perfectly.
I want Castle at point, Tre is an expiring, Collins needs to go.

And we'd still be able to trade Keldon and picks for Lauri.

They should offer Collin’s and the CHA pick. It gives them a fig leaf of cover that at the time of the trade, the got their FRP, and when it doesn’t convey, the first SRP will be nice, because CHA will suck.

[Arguendo]

I don't think he can reduce the amount the Spurs will have to pay in new salary, just the amount that Sac has to pay now which means nothing to us.
This is correct, but it’s his choice to exercise some or all of the kicker, which affects his cap number, it’s not about the spurs expense but the cap hit

[spurraider21]

Paul signing official but terms not announced. I think it was Bruno who mentioned they may turn it into a 2/20 type deal with small guarantee for year 2. Enables us to make the barnes trade without having to axe all the guys

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1810140647648575611

[scott]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1810140647648575611

Gold on the clock indeed, the Furphy era is upon us. We are witness.

[BackHome]

If he hits with them I am going to be really pissed as I still have not gotten over us not drafting him.

[Degoat]

Spurs have 1 roster spot available right?

Wemby/ZC/Bassey
Sochan/KJ/
Barnes/Julian/Sidy
Dev/Branham/Blake
Cp3/Castle/Tre

[scott]

^ were the details of how we are fitting in Barnes every announced? Seemed like Bassey or Julian (or both perhaps) had to go to make it work. Mamu fits nicely into that last slot on a vet min if we were able to fit it without releasing Champ or Bass.

[venitian navigator]

Considering that Chicago Is quite going tò tank next season why not trade for Vucevic?true that hes bad at defense but hes a wonderful offensive player and Wemby can cover for his defensive deficiencies...something like Collins plus Braham/Wesley (or both) plus some seconds could be enough for the deal..

[Ice009]

Considering that Chicago Is quite going tò tank next season why not trade for Vucevic?true that hes bad at defense but hes a wonderful offensive player and Wemby can cover for his defensive deficiencies...something like Collins plus Braham/Wesley (or both) plus some seconds could be enough for the deal..

How many years does he have on his deal? And he's a decent shooter too, isn't he? From what I remember, though, terrible defensive player?

[ace3g]

Kelly Iko KellyIko
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Free agent center Daniel Theis will sign a one-year, $3 million deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, sources tell
@TheAthletic
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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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8m
Free agent Haywood Highsmith has agreed on a two-year, $11 million deal to return to the Miami Heat, his agent Jerry Dianis tells ESPN. Highsmith had significant interest around the league but stays with franchise that developed him into an NBA player.

[scott]

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Osborne suggesting the Spurs were trying to get Highsmith, which is good to know... also this is what infuriates me about local Spurs media. They frequently imply/suggest they know things they can't share with fans... which is their entire fucking job. Journalists aren't supposed to be team insiders, they're supposed to inform the public about shit.

[LeBowen]

You don't need the media, you got that ideal off-season topic.
There were a few of us suggesting Highsmith as a cheap wing option.

Spurstalk > twitter, confirmed.

[spurraider21]

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Osborne suggesting the Spurs were trying to get Highsmith, which is good to know... also this is what infuriates me about local Spurs media. They frequently imply/suggest they know things they can't share with fans... which is there entire fucking job. Journalists aren't supposed to be team insiders, they're supposed to inform the public about shit.
if a reporter is told something confidentially, and then he discloses it to the public, he burns that source and loses ongoing access

OTOH, i have no idea why someone would tell a reporter something and then tell him to not report on it. then why tell the reporter?

[DPG21920]

if a reporter is told something confidentially, and then he discloses it to the public, he burns that source and loses ongoing access

OTOH, i have no idea why someone would tell a reporter something and then tell him to not report on it. then why tell the reporter?

Helps them shape how they are writing about the off season, general approach etc..

[scott]

if a reporter is told something confidentially, and then he discloses it to the public, he burns that source and loses ongoing access

OTOH, i have no idea why someone would tell a reporter something and then tell him to not report on it. then why tell the reporter?

Yeah, that's what I mean. The only possible explanation would be on background and on embargo ahead of a story (I do this all the time in my world). The scenario would be "hey, we're about to sign this guy... he's the info you need to write your story so it's ready to run as soon as we pull the trigger"

But there really is no reason for the Spurs to be telling Tom Osborn "hey, he's a guy we're trying to sign. don't tell anyone though!"

They do this shit all the time: "if you knew what I knew, you're opinion would be different... blah blah blah". The guys get off on the idea of knowing special shit that the general public isn't worthy of.

[exstatic]

if a reporter is told something confidentially, and then he discloses it to the public, he burns that source and loses ongoing access

OTOH, i have no idea why someone would tell a reporter something and then tell him to not report on it. then why tell the reporter?

I think it would actually be a policy. We’ll tell you stuff, but you can’t report it until it either happens or it’s dead.

[Arguendo]

1810371293268816124

Osborne suggesting the Spurs were trying to get Highsmith, which is good to know... also this is what infuriates me about local Spurs media. They frequently imply/suggest they know things they can't share with fans... which is their entire fucking job. Journalists aren't supposed to be team insiders, they're supposed to inform the public about shit.
I’ve never seen evidence that the local Spurs media generally has anymore before-hand* knowledge/insight than TSpence & Eric Yang. From time-to-time they’ll have a nugget, but in general they’re not in the loop.

Plus at this stage it’d have to be a matching sign&trade right? Aren’t we over the cap with Paul & Barnes?

[scott]

I think it would actually be a policy. We’ll tell you stuff, but you can’t report it until it either happens or it’s dead.

That's a typical embargo policy for organizations, but you only do it when there is imminent news - not "we're thinking about maybe doing this" kind of thing. So, maybe the Spurs were very close to inking Highsmith.

[exstatic]

That's a typical embargo policy for organizations, but you only do it when there is imminent news - not "we're thinking about maybe doing this" kind of thing. So, maybe the Spurs were very close to inking Highsmith.

They may have been, but didn’t know their cap availability pending finalizing the trade and the signing of CP.

[scott]

They may have been, but didn’t know their cap availability pending finalizing the trade and the signing of CP.

Might have been a pre-Barnes thing. Maybe the Spurs were on the finish line with Highsmith and then the opportunity to be in the Kings deal came up, and they pivoted.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1810422893215711427

[MannyIsGod]

I’ve never seen evidence that the local Spurs media generally has anymore before-hand* knowledge/insight than TSpence & Eric Yang. From time-to-time they’ll have a nugget, but in general they’re not in the loop.

Plus at this stage it’d have to be a matching sign&trade right? Aren’t we over the cap with Paul & Barnes?

That deal would have easily fit into the room exception.

[Sugus]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1810422893215711427

Biiiiig target. Doubt he goes to SA - but could we make it work somehow?

[timtonymanu]

I remember a time when Shamet looked good on the clippers and people really wanted him. Now he’s cleared a My Fault waiver.

[Sugus]

I remember a time when Shamet looked good on the clippers and people really wanted him. Now he’s cleared a My Fault waiver.

He'd still be a good fit for the team and shouldn't be so expensive. But maybe Spurs can't afford him after the latest trades.

[DPG21920]

Spurs still have the 8M annual Room MLE. They can easily get Shamet for that I am guessing

[exstatic]

Spurs still have the 8M annual Room MLE. They can easily get Shamet for that I am guessing

Think they have to use that to return Mamu and Baasey, otherwise minimum deals.

[LittleCriminal]

Bassey is gone..

[RC_Drunkford]

why would we want to sign a bum like Landry Shamet? We need a C and a PF. On that note:

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[MannyIsGod]

Bassey may very well not clear waivers. Pretty much no risk to a team that thinks he has value and has a roster spot they can spare while he gets healthy.

[scott]

I told you fuckers to keep Bassey's name out of your filthy mouths. If someone claims our prince, the blood is on your hands.

[Arguendo]

That deal would have easily fit into the room exception.
Good to know, haven’t paid attention to cap/exceptions stuff in yrs until all this new CBA/apron/penalties got me curious

[MannyIsGod]

I told you fuckers to keep Bassey's name out of your filthy mouths. If someone claims our prince, the blood is on your hands.

If you love Bassey set it free. If your Bassey does not come back to you, it was never yours.

[spurraider21]

Think they have to use that to return Mamu and Baasey, otherwise minimum deals.
dont think bassey is getting much more than the minimum anywhere tbh

tho given the non guaranteed 2nd year somebody may take a flier on waivers

[exstatic]

dont think bassey is getting much more than the minimum anywhere tbh

tho given the non guaranteed 2nd year somebody may take a flier on waivers

Not sure, but I think a waiver claim guarantees that years salary.

[spurraider21]

Not sure, but I think a waiver claim guarantees that years salary.
yeah waiver means they inherit his contract. i dont think in the open market he gets much more than the minimum, but his current team friendly structure with the non guaranteed year may be enough of a sweetener to convince someone to claim him for more than they maybe would have given him in a standard deal

[spurraider21]

DAF86 do we bring him home?

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[scott]

If he clears, can he basically resign the same deal he had ($2.5MM/yr, all non-GTD) using the room exception?

[spurraider21]

If he clears, can he basically resign the same deal he had ($2.5MM/yr, all non-GTD) using the room exception?
yep. could theoretically provide an opportunity to give us longer term non guaranteed control over him. this was going to be year 3 of his 4 year deal. maybe give him another 3-4 year deal with no guarantees beyond season 1. can give a small raise to incentivize it. 4 years 11 mil, no guarantees beyond this season, 2.75m per year. something like that

[Robz4000]

DAF86 do we bring him home?

1810442550890971609

Let's right the wrong. Bring Bertans home :cry

[Mr. Body]

We can finally get future league MVP Pokushevski.

[CGD]

Bassey may very well not clear waivers. Pretty much no risk to a team that thinks he has value and has a roster spot they can spare while he gets healthy.

I'm sure Knicks or Pelicans would want him. They desperately need a cheap big.

[spurraider21]

Let's wright the wrong. Bring Bertans home :cry
fify

[timtonymanu]

Bertans isn’t great but he still has to have a solid 3 point shot right? PATFO seems allergic to 3 point shooters now.

[Degoat]

Can Poku Plz come play for our summer league lol

[objective]

"You are hiding a Latvian,
Let that Bertans come home." - Pop T. :pop:

[Mugen]

Wasn't DAF86 in love with Poku as well? :lol

[spurraider21]

Wasn't DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) in love with Poku as well? :lol
we have 2 roster spots :stirpot:

[Mr. Body]

Problem with most FAs is they'll want more than single year contracts and part of the appeal of Bassey and Mami is that they were on single year salary structures.

[Duncan2177]

I see Precious Achiuwa and Paul Reed are available, any chance we sign one of them?

[Chinook]

I don't see how any rational person would prefer Bassey to Reed.

[scott]

I don't see how any rational person would prefer Bassey to Reed.

Do I hear my music?

[Mr. Body]

I don't see how any rational person would prefer Bassey to Reed.

Bassey will be on a year to year contract, Reed will want multiple years.

[Arguendo]

yep. could theoretically provide an opportunity to give us longer term non guaranteed control over him. this was going to be year 3 of his 4 year deal. maybe give him another 3-4 year deal with no guarantees beyond season 1. can give a small raise to incentivize it. 4 years 11 mil, no guarantees beyond this season, 2.75m per year. something like that
Love this idea, I want us to roster at least a couple non guaranteed deals yearly, could prove very useful/maybe valuable dealing with apron teams

[scott]

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[Degoat]

^ I may just be triggered but I listen to the hoop collective every week and Tim Bontemps NEVER says anything positive about the spurs, matter fact he always talked Chet > Wemby for almost the entire season

[MannyIsGod]

Do I hear my music?

He said rational.

[DPG21920]

I pretty much agree. It will help with development but Im not sure how many more wins CP + Barnes add. Now, the guys they are replacing the bar is pretty low so it could help and any leap from Wemby/Dev/Sochan will indeed help, but projecting play in level (42-45 wins)? I dont know. I could see 10-12 game improvement though which is 32-35 wins. Spurs lost some close ones last year and record was probably a little worse than it should have been with all the blown leads so I think 12 wins is very doable.

40+ means Wemby goes off alongside Dev/Sochan/Castle really helping etc…

But margin for error is very low still; if Wemby missed 15-20 games or something Spurs will be in the running for bottom 5 record for sure.

[scott]

30-35 wins is where I'd put us. If Vegas set the O/U at 33.5, I'd have a hard time picking a side.

If CP3 and Barnes start in place of Tre and Champ it will mean that we replaced two guys who have no business starting with two guys who are barely passable starters. Yeah it's an improvement, but not by too much. The benefit of CP3 and Barnes will come not necessarily from immediate on the court play, but in the long-term from the mentorship and leadership they provide.

[MannyIsGod]

I pretty much agree. It will help with development but Im not sure how many more wins CP + Barnes add. Now, the guys they are replacing the bar is pretty low so it could help and any leap from Wemby/Dev/Sochan will indeed help, but projecting play in level (42-45 wins)? I dont know. I could see 10-12 game improvement though which is 32-35 wins. Spurs lost some close ones last year and record was probably a little worse than it should have been with all the blown leads so I think 12 wins is very doable.

40+ means Wemby goes off alongside Dev/Sochan/Castle really helping etc…

But margin for error is very low still; if Wemby missed 15-20 games or something Spurs will be in the running for bottom 5 record for sure.

This team will basically go as Wemby goes but at least this year he has an actual NBA rotation around him and should always be playing with a PG. But yeah, if Wemby gets hurt for an extended period of time they will quickly rack up Ls. It is what it is.

[couchman]

I see a 30-35 win team coming up, which is a sneaky tank that would landed as the 8-10th worst record last year.
Sneaky tank.

[Degoat]

I’m predicting 36-38 wins

[DPG21920]

This team will basically go as Wemby goes but at least this year he has an actual NBA rotation around him and should always be playing with a PG. But yeah, if Wemby gets hurt for an extended period of time they will quickly rack up Ls. It is what it is.

Even if not, a 20 win jump (and that’s what it would take to be a play-in team) just seems like a lot given the major additions are CP + Barnes. I dont think they have that much left in the tank.

Now, if Wemby Dev Sochan truly leap and we think that SA should have had 27 wins (they blew a ton of leads + very limited Wemby minutes) then I can see thinking they improve from 27 wins to 40. But if they were more legit a 22 win team, I think 35-37 wins sounds about right overall.

Just have to see.

[scott]

Keith Smith reporting (on his YouTube show) rumors that Brunson might sign an early extension next week, would mean Brunson is leaving something like $80mil on the table versus waiting for a max extension.

[jesterbobman]

Looking at the team, I'd guess we look something like...(Bold where I'm very confident of rotation spot, could move Castle and Sochan around etc)

Paul / Tre / Blake
Vassell / Castle / Malaki
Sochan / Keldon
Barnes / Champagnie
Wemby / Collins

A PF / C definitely feels like the biggest need, so Bassey (or, room exception Reed) seem like the best options. Second unit is still very small, I think you want Collins in a two big setup with him at the level and another rim protector (of sorts, not a Wemby level guy, but some more rim protection than Keldon / Champagnie offer).

[DPG21920]

Castle better not be riding the pine in a limited 15 minute role. I don’t care about record he needs to be playing 25 mins a game.

[spurraider21]

Castle better not be riding the pine in a limited 15 minute role. I don’t care about record he needs to be playing 25 mins a game.
this in-season tournament is not for stephon

[Mr. Body]

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Lol, who's that last guy, he sounds like an idiot.

[Jordan Jackson]

If mayonnaise could talk, it would sound like Tim Bontemps. Just awful to listen to.

[Mr. Body]

God, just realized that was ESPN. No wonder it was complete garbage.

[Arguendo]

30-35 wins is where I'd put us. If Vegas set the O/U at 33.5, I'd have a hard time picking a side.

Pretty close to what I was thinking, soft floor was about 28 before Paul/Barnes, about 5 more now, with the wins not coming from Paul’s/Barnes play so much as the stabilizing force they represent, & the accountability they (Paul) will demand. PATFO were happy to lose games, I think most of the roster didn’t really care.
I think Wendy, Paul, & Barnes & prolly Castle will actually care and that alone will account for a couple wins. Up shot of 35-38 if everything falls right. Only way I see a play-in chance (barring major acquisition) is multi-injury tanks + Wemby plays 80games & big minutes= not realistic.

[Arguendo]

Keith Smith reporting (on his YouTube show) rumors that Brunson might sign an early extension next week, would mean Brunson is leaving something like $80mil on the table versus waiting for a max extension.
Can’t remember which podcast I heard it on, likely Simmons/Russillo but someone with actual connections, they said Brunson pushed hard for this, with the understanding that he & Bridges (maybe all the Nova guys) were fully willing & committed to take less to play together & keep it together next pay rd, partly bc good friends (those 2 are supposed to be BFFs) & partly bc if they ring in NYC they can all make a significant portion of that back in marketing deals & gigs.
Id assumed this was part of the calculus for NYC giving up that much.
If you ring, you’ve got deals for life. Guarantee Walt Frazier is living off that exact situation.

[Pauleta14]

^ I may just be triggered but I listen to the hoop collective every week and Tim Bontemps NEVER says anything positive about the spurs, matter fact he always talked Chet > Wemby for almost the entire season

So much that the 2 co-hosts made fun of him

He loves playing the sceptic role

[PhantomDashCam]

I don't see how any rational person would prefer Bassey to Reed.

FWIW:

A few die hard Philly fans I speak with had been clamouring for Reed to be given time, role etc due to his performances in the G League, for seemingly years,
The problem was though, when granted it, Reed could not understand basic plays and sets that they would run on both ends, finding himself constantly out of position or a step late.
By the end of his tenure, they were thankful that he was gone.

[Deano]

Pretty close although Castle will backup CP3 before Tre. We didn't take him at 4 to play him at SG.

[benefactor]

Lol, who's that last guy, he sounds like an idiot.
Says the guy that always sounds like an idiot

[tonight...you]

30-35 wins is where I'd put us. If Vegas set the O/U at 33.5, I'd have a hard time picking a side.

If CP3 and Barnes start in place of Tre and Champ it will mean that we replaced two guys who have no business starting with two guys who are barely passable starters. Yeah it's an improvement, but not by too much. The benefit of CP3 and Barnes will come not necessarily from immediate on the court play, but in the long-term from the mentorship and leadership they provide.
I can understand where you're coming from, but I disagree in that less ignorant chaos on the floor and more intelligent structure from the wisdom of CP3 and the experience of Barnes from going through his many battles on the field will be immensely useful and effective from the get-go.

JMO

[exstatic]

So much that the 2 co-hosts made fun of him

He loves playing the sceptic role

He probably has half a dozen accounts here.

[SpursFan86]

Bontemps is insufferable :lol His larger point that going from 22 to 42 wins will be extremely tough is totally valid, but acting like CP3/Barnes are meaningless additions is ridiculous.

Anyone who watched the Spurs last year could see how much their inexperience hurt them…even if CP3/Barnes decline further their leadership will be huge. Throw in the natural improvement of the young guys on the roster + not needing half the year to learn how to play with Victor…this team isn’t going to be close to a 22-win team again.

Barring injuries, I think the reasonable range is 30-38 wins. Anything below that would be pretty disappointing, and anything above that would be exceeding expectations. 42+ is where you get into super unrealistic outcomes IMO, but I don’t think 38-40 wins is THAT crazy.

[Mr. Body]

Bontemps is insufferable :lol His larger point that going from 22 to 42 wins is totally valid, but acting like CP3/Barnes are meaningless additions is ridiculous.

Anyone who watched the Spurs last year could see how much their inexperience hurt them…even if CP3/Barnes decline further their leadership will be huge. Throw in the natural improvement of the young guys on the roster + not needing half the year to learn how to play with Victor…this team isn’t going to be close to a 22-win team again.

Barring injuries, I think the reasonable range is 30-38 wins. Anything below that would be pretty disappointing, and anything above that would be exceeding expectations. 42+ is where you get into super unrealistic outcomes IMO, but I don’t think 38-40 wins is THAT crazy.

He was suggesting that the Spurs added those veterans to trick Wembanyama into thinking they were trying to improve but weren't. This is why ESPN is garbage. No legitimately sapient person could say this, but they have to do the "spew idiocy to draw clicks and eyeballs" thing. It's why ESPN is really failing.

[BacktoBasics]

He was suggesting that the Spurs added those veterans to trick Wembanyama into thinking they were trying to improve but weren't. This is why ESPN is garbage. No legitimately sapient person could say this, but they have to do the "spew idiocy to draw clicks and eyeballs" thing. It's why ESPN is really failing.

I definitely view the moves as placeholders and a means to an end. Before I get into the weeds I support the moves. Both players fill out the roster and gives the team a more well rounded look. It’s important that we improve, yes for Wemby but neither of these players propel us to deep playoff contention.

They will bring us to probably somewhere near .500, give our youth some leadership and bring some cohesiveness to the roster. If we have a good season it’ll be because our youth was able to improve vs. being forced out of position (experiment etc).

We need to buy some time. Especially this year. Castle isn’t the answer but he could play a big role. Sochan and Vassell need a legitimate pg so they can work within their actual roles. With Paul holding down the pg spot with Tre we should finally get a real look at Sochan and Branham. They likely won’t be asked to do things outside of what they best bring to the roster.

Buying a year was a smart move. Gets us to the next draft and closer to next seasons moves.

[DAF86]

DAF86 do we bring him home?

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Bertans and Poku, both.

[DAF86]

Wasn't DAF86 in love with Poku as well? :lol


we have 2 roster spots :stirpot:

It's all going according to the plan.

[Mr. Body]

I definitely view the moves as placeholders and a means to an end. Before I get into the weeds I support the moves. Both players fill out the roster and gives the team a more well rounded look. It’s important that we improve, yes for Wemby but neither of these players propel us to deep playoff contention.

They will bring us to probably somewhere near .500, give our youth some leadership and bring some cohesiveness to the roster. If we have a good season it’ll be because our youth was able to improve vs. being forced out of position (experiment etc).

We need to buy some time. Especially this year. Castle isn’t the answer but he could play a big role. Sochan and Vassell need a legitimate pg so they can work within their actual roles. With Paul holding down the pg spot with Tre we should finally get a real look at Sochan and Branham. They likely won’t be asked to do things outside of what they best bring to the roster.

Buying a year was a smart move. Gets us to the next draft and closer to next seasons moves.

They're placeholders, giving structure, helping the younger guys settle in and concentrate on their own work, etc. What the pickups aren't, and it's unbelievable that a grown person could reasonably say this, a way of tricking Wembanyama into thinking the team is doing something.

We just need to push ESPN into a barrel of burning tar and get it over with.

[DAF86]

For real now, I lost track of both, Poku IDGF, but I refuse to believe Bertans has fallen so much that he can't give you good 15 minutes of floor spacing.

[Arguendo]

Bontemps is insufferable :lol His larger point that going from 22 to 42 wins will be extremely tough is totally valid, but acting like CP3/Barnes are meaningless additions is ridiculous.

Yeah, outside of Woj if they’re paid by ESPN they’re not worth taking seriously. They started 5-25 with Sochan & bran PG experiments, Jones took over 1/4 & they went 17-35= 27 win pace. Post AS which I think is better considering the amount of 20 y/o, an actual PG & set roles, they were playing .400 ball= 33 win pace.
Hard to see less than 27 wins running everything back, with the additions they’re a 33win team, with maybe 38upside barring something crazy.

[DAF86]

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I don't disagree with Windhorst and the other guy, tbh. I don't think CP3 and Barnes move the needle much, if anything at all. If the Spurs improve to mediocre this next season it will be all because of the growth of Wemby, Vassell, Sochan and Tre.

[Arguendo]

I don't disagree with Windhorst and the other guy, tbh. I don't think CP3 and Barnes move the needle much, if anything at all. If the Spurs improve to mediocre this next season it will be all because of the growth of Wemby, Vassell, Sochan and Tre.
Multiple things can be true, who’s measuring & which gauge?
Going from 22 to 33 is 6th worst to 9th worst= not a needle move league wide…but for Spurs plus 50% yr/yr is big. For development, those guys=temporary structural support, I’d be surprised if it’s not a huge needle move for a few guys, same for learning how to be a pro/communicate/position/vet tricks that’s another huge needle jump for a few guys.

But from league wide perspective they’re still a mid lottery team, gauge looks the same.
& for those young guys, that growth becomes much easier due to intangibles, not on court production.
Chef can do a lot more finishing with quality Sous chefs & recipes, CP3 & Barnes are doing the prep, training future sous chefs, & bringing in 30yrs of tested recipes.

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Reed will more than likely end up in a situation where he's the clear primary backup.


I'm sure Knicks or Pelicans would want him. They desperately need a cheap big.

The Knicks need someone more proven/durable than Bassey to play behind injury prone Robinson and in front of Sims. The Pelicans need a starter in front of Theis and Missi.


If CP3 and Barnes start in place of Tre and Champ it will mean that we replaced two guys who have no business starting with two guys who are barely passable starters.

It's the trickle down effect, where two replacement players (Branham and Wesley) get slotted into more appropriate roles of spot minutes and deep bench.


Bontemps is insufferable :lol His larger point that going from 22 to 42 wins will be extremely tough is totally valid, but acting like CP3/Barnes are meaningless additions is ridiculous.

He's a disgrace. From the annoying voice to the overbearing arrogance, constant interrupting and overt biases (we get it, he hates the Lakers and Spurs and is in bed with the Warriors and Craptors), he should be fired.

[Seventyniner]

30-35 wins is where I'd put us. If Vegas set the O/U at 33.5, I'd have a hard time picking a side.

If CP3 and Barnes start in place of Tre and Champ it will mean that we replaced two guys who have no business starting with two guys who are barely passable starters. Yeah it's an improvement, but not by too much. The benefit of CP3 and Barnes will come not necessarily from immediate on the court play, but in the long-term from the mentorship and leadership they provide.

I might have said this elsewhere, but I expect the bulk of the value that Paul and Barnes provide to the team will be off the court. Training camp, practice, road trips, etc.

[poopbox]

Bontemps has the hairline of a man who has given up all hope and only lives to make other people lives miserable

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/SpursReporter/status/1810534444199002155

[Pauleta14]

Bontemps is insufferable :lol



I genuinely find sceptics useful pains in the ass but this one... wtf

He spent 2/3 of last season getting mad at the idea that Wemby could be ROY then got nervous anytime Windy alluded to Vic being MAYBE more deserving than Gobert for DPOY :lol

He's not stupid but he loves to outsmart himself and ends up stuck with his own narratives. He lacks intellectual "flexibility"

[Manu&Duncan fan]

https://twitter.com/SpursReporter/status/1810534444199002155

This!

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810673063400231323

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810500497951858944

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
The New York Knicks are among the teams who’ve expressed interest in signing free agent Davis Bertans, league sources told Hoopshype
. Bertans has shot 39.6% from 3-point range in his career and played for Latvia in the FIBA Olympics Qualifying Tournament.

[BacktoBasics]

They're placeholders, giving structure, helping the younger guys settle in and concentrate on their own work, etc. What the pickups aren't, and it's unbelievable that a grown person could reasonably say this, a way of tricking Wembanyama into thinking the team is doing something.

We just need to push ESPN into a barrel of burning tar and get it over with.

No argument from me on that.

[ace3g]

I wouldn't mind bringing Bertans back as long as we use him more running off screens than during his previous stint.

[itzsoweezee]

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Bontemps is just a hater. He lets his emotions decide his basketball views, which is pretty wild for a supposed journalist.

He’s a huge fan of white American players, so no surprise on his Holmgren v. Wemby takes. I love it because he continues to make an ass of himself.

[Bruno]

Spurs have only 2 players, Wembanyama and Collins, who can play center. They will for sure add another one and Mamu would be a good choice. He is a decent player and seems to be a great guy which is important for a 3rd stringer.

[Bruno]

Spurs were reportedly interested in Quickley:

https://www.tsn.ca/nba/lewenberg-toronto-raptors-launch-new-era-with-big-bets-on-scottie-barnes-immanuel-quickley-1.2146154


Quickley’s price came in a bit higher than league insiders had anticipated. $35 million annually may seem steep for a player with a limited track record in his current and projected role, but while the Raptors could have matched any offer he received in restricted free agency, their concern was that he may have fetched as much or more on the open market. There was real interest from Utah and the San Antonio Spurs, among other teams, according to league sources.

[Dejounte]

People think the Spurs are mentioned in every report because teams are trying to gain leverage on other teams but I think they did have ties to each player not because they have serious interest, but to do their homework and prepare for any outcome tbh

[Seventyniner]

People think the Spurs are mentioned in every report because teams are trying to gain leverage on other teams but I think they did have ties to each player not because they have serious interest, but to do their homework and prepare for any outcome tbh

I agree. For all the shit that gets slung at PATFO, they really do their jobs and don't just sit around drinking wine all day. With the amount of cap space the Spurs were able to create, they were potential players in almost every trade deal and could make credible offers to almost every free agent. I bet they have been on the phone with other teams nonstop for the last several weeks.

[Dverde]

https://twitter.com/SpursReporter/status/1810534444199002155
Well being .500 puts you in the race nowadays. I could see the Spurs getting that.

[Arguendo]

https://twitter.com/SpursReporter/status/1810534444199002155
Given this is in the context of Spurs assets, sounds like he’s expecting a significant trade, which is prolly what’d it take to get to the 45-46wins necessary for Play-in”. But finishing a distant third in the race is still in the race, as long as it’s possible coming out of AS break.

They better clean up against the East cause OKC/Dal/Den/Min look like locks for 50-55+ wins, Phx/Sac/Nola pushing 50, Lac/Lal/Hou expecting 46+ wins, + GSW trying to hang on & Mem coming back- that’s 12 legit good teams with real chances & expectations get to 50+ wins

[spurraider21]

Go get Trent and somebody that can play center, whether it be Bassey, Barlow, Reed, or Mamu

[Robz4000]

Go get Trent and somebody that can play center, whether it be Bassey, Barlow, Reed, or Mamu

GTJ turned down $15mil+ from the Raptors. He's either going to a contender or somewhere he'll get a hefty role imo.

[kobyz]

https://t.co/MmBq1guAMP
I'll give Collins/Keldon+ non lottery first round pick for him

[spurraider21]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1810701903246037130
I'll give Collins/Keldon+ non lottery first round pick for him
why not vassell and multiple atlanta picks while?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810709375129989377

[kobyz]

why not vassell and multiple atlanta picks while?

He's a great fit next to Wemby as a 3 and player, you could build him to be what KCP was for Denver

[JPB]

I agree. For all the shit that gets slung at PATFO, they really do their jobs and don't just sit around drinking wine all day. With the amount of cap space the Spurs were able to create, they were potential players in almost every trade deal and could make credible offers to almost every free agent. I bet they have been on the phone with other teams nonstop for the last several weeks.

Well yeah, that's actually their jobs. I'd gladly take millions to "inquire" about players around the league in the summer. Nothing to praise or judge them for. They're ultimately judged on the moves they actually make or don't, not the number of phone calls they give.

[scott]

Given this is in the context of Spurs assets, sounds like he’s expecting a significant trade, which is prolly what’d it take to get to the 45-46wins necessary for Play-in”. But finishing a distant third in the race is still in the race, as long as it’s possible coming out of AS break.

They better clean up against the East cause OKC/Dal/Den/Min look like locks for 50-55+ wins, Phx/Sac/Nola pushing 50, Lac/Lal/Hou expecting 46+ wins, + GSW trying to hang on & Mem coming back- that’s 12 legit good teams with real chances & expectations get to 50+ wins

Interesting, but I get the sense that once we bring back Mamu and Bassey, we're done for the off-season.

[Mr. Body]

Given this is in the context of Spurs assets, sounds like he’s expecting a significant trade, which is prolly what’d it take to get to the 45-46wins necessary for Play-in”. But finishing a distant third in the race is still in the race, as long as it’s possible coming out of AS break.

They better clean up against the East cause OKC/Dal/Den/Min look like locks for 50-55+ wins, Phx/Sac/Nola pushing 50, Lac/Lal/Hou expecting 46+ wins, + GSW trying to hang on & Mem coming back- that’s 12 legit good teams with real chances & expectations get to 50+ wins

Warriors, Lakers, and probably Suns and Clippers will all decline and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Minnesota or Dallas takes a step back. The Nuggets actually won a few more games than they did their championship season and I expect them to drop some.

Two years ago no WC team won more than 53 games and only two won more than 50. This last year there were five 50 game winners and two were the Clippers (50) and Nuggets (57) and I expect both will drop. Basically, we had some teams overperform and those join others that probably got worse this offseason.

Nothing is a sure thing, but I think we'll see the conference return to more of two seasons ago than last year.

[Arguendo]

Warriors, Lakers, and probably Suns and Clippers will all decline and I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Minnesota or Dallas takes a step back. The Nuggets actually won a few more games than they did their championship season and I expect them to drop some.

Two years ago no WC team won more than 53 games and only two won more than 50. This last year there were five 50 game winners and two were the Clippers (50) and Nuggets (57) and I expect both will drop. Basically, we had some teams overperform and those join others that probably got worse this offseason.

Nothing is a sure thing, but I think we'll see the conference return to more of two seasons ago than last year.
Very true, you’re right regression to the mean is likely. I phrased it poorly as chances & expectations, my numbers being high/what those franchises likely think is reasonable, not all chances will hit. Lac is one likely Kawhi injury from Harden quitting & winning like 15game, etc

I just meant that’s 12 teams regarded as better positioned in your conference (soaking up wins, so you better beat those lesser East teams) & several in are in win-now mode due to age or apron (Lal, Lac, GSW, Phx-Min).

Side note- The last part is why I’m in no rush to make a summer move. Seems likely several teams start (far) worse than they expected/hoped & decide to make moves or panic. If your an old/apron team at 9-12 or worse come Dec/Jan your almost forced to + the “we’re 1 or 2 guys from the mountain team” - there’s gonna be deals& free scraps to be had. Barnes, Tre, Paul, Keldon could have real vale to someone- 20131 here we come!!!

[DPG21920]

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[scott]

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Reed is the guy Rivers essentially cut Bassey in favor of. Glad we didn't do the same, if only for Bassey's mental health.

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Reed is the guy Rivers essentially cut Bassey in favor of. Glad we didn't do the same, if only for Bassey's mental health.

Rivers was the coach of the 76ers, not the POBO (Morey) or GM (Brand), the latter of which much of this board continues to pretend is the lead decision maker despite my saying otherwise numerous times.

If you're (not you specifically, but generally) going to play blame Wright for everything you perceive to be wrong with the Spurs, at least be consistent with this stuff.

[Dejounte]

Love the media saying stuff like DeMar’s going to elevate the Kings team to top 4 team in the West… boy are they going to be disappointed

[scott]

Rivers was the coach of the 76ers, not the POBO (Morey) or GM (Brand), the latter of which much of this board continues to pretend is the lead decision maker despite my saying otherwise numerous times.

If you're (not you specifically, but generally) going to play blame Wright for everything you perceive to be wrong with the Spurs, at least be consistent with this stuff.

I work with a few Sixers fans who seem think that the FO deferred heavily to Rivers on the minor personnel moves like Bassey and Champ (those two guys are in fact the only reason I bother to ask him about the rationale of the FO), but in any event - this is a good point. Was Brand already GM at that time?

[cjw]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810709375129989377

PATFO, if a report comes out that a team is prioritizing Jordan Poole, so whatever you can to trade for their future draft capital