2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[TD 21]

I work with a few Sixers fans who seem think that the FO deferred heavily to Rivers on the minor personnel moves like Bassey and Champ (those two guys are in fact the only reason I bother to ask him about the rationale of the FO), but in any event - this is a good point. Was Brand already GM at that time?

Keeping in mind the disdain many have for Rivers and how it could cloud judgement, it's reasonable to think someone of his stature would have had more say than a less established coach, but Morey was/is an established name himself and would have still had the final say.

Yeah, Brand was the GM at the time.

[Chinook]

Usually coaches have some latitude in cutting players. The front office brings guys in, the coaches keep the ones they want. That balance is obviously skewed in the NBA where most contracts are guaranteed. But I don't think Morey made the decision on Bassey, whether he signed the paperwork or not. Like for the Spurs, they will bring in a few bubble players this year, be it two-ways, non-guaranteeds or camp deals. It will be Pop's decision as the coach which make it rather than Wright, RC or even Pop as POBO.

[TD 21]

Probably the most likely scenario was that is was a collaborative decision. Championship contenders are generally going to skew older/more proven, especially at a position where the best player is injury prone and the prospects in question weren't exactly of the can't miss variety.

[scott]

From my Sixers co-workers, both guys were similarly situated: young guys who didn't play much. Reed was a second year SRP (pick 58), Bassey was a rookie SRP (pick 53). In Bassey's rookie year, both played in a smattering of games, and averaged about 7 min/game and put up similar stats. Both were also dominant in the G-League for Delaware.

Before Bassey's second season, Bassey was let go as Reed was picked as the favored young big prospect, because they had to make room for Montrez Harrell. They all seemed miffed why the Sixers went with Reed over Bassey, but that might have only been because I explained my interest in Bassey and they wanted to say something good about him.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810840559348551701

[tbdog]

Love the media saying stuff like DeMar’s going to elevate the Kings team to top 4 team in the West… boy are they going to be disappointed

For the regular season, I think it's possible. Sabonis and DeMar usually stay healthy.

[Mr. Body]

Love the media saying stuff like DeMar’s going to elevate the Kings team to top 4 team in the West… boy are they going to be disappointed

The Kings were third best in the WC the year before last. It's not impossible.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The two picks NY have probably offered are the Washington and Detroit ones. After the Nets trade they don’t have much left. Both are protected and both are unlikely to convey. Two firsts for Kessler lol

[Ariel]

The two picks NY have probably offered are the Washington and Detroit ones. After the Nets trade they don’t have much left. Both are protected and both are unlikely to convey. Two firsts for Kessler lol
Agreed. Every bit of news coming about Utah is so predictable it's laughable. "Oh noez! they rejected two picz. We better offer 3!" :lol

[kobyz]

With Pelicans don't want to give Ingram long term max contract and don't want to lose him for nothing and with Bulls trying to unload Lavine, would you do this trade?

https://i.ibb.co/JBvnmnd/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-10-7-2024-17-26-29.png (https://ibb.co/yf60d0R)

[J_Paco]

He's a great fit next to Wemby as a 3 and player, you could build him to be what KCP was for Denver

He's an undersized SF with little to no offensive game to speak of. Other than the occasional catch-and-shoot 3 - point, he's practically invisible on that end and was replaced in the rotation by another limited role player in Strus. The Spurs can either slide Castle to the SF or draft a prospect with better potential on offense with more size.

[J_Paco]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1810840559348551701

That was a really quick about-face on Kessler. He went from a 'building block' to expendable in two seasons, LOL.

Also, this alleged trade proposal is why I don't like Danny Ainge. Him & Majari have to either 'win' every trade or swindle someone of far too many assets to execute a deal. You are down on Kessler and hurt his value by benching him last season, but want two or more first - round picks to move him? Absurd.

[Mr. Body]

That was a really quick about-face on Kessler. He went from a 'building block' to expendable in two seasons, LOL.

Relegated to the bench and minutes in blowouts but two first round picks is insulting. That's Ainge for you.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao
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[Seventyniner]

:lmao
1811049157177880710

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[Mr. Body]

Kawhi misses staring at his favorite wall for hours on end.

[Mr. Body]

OKC owns the LAC pick outright, so... that's great.

[J_Paco]

Relegated to the bench and minutes in blowouts but two first round picks is insulting. That's Ainge for you.

Totally. It's practically incomprehensible that Ainge thinks he'll get that much draft capital for a guy they no longer value.

I've heard rumblings on podcasts that Kessler was a 'malcontent' and difficult to coach, but I also feel like that is Utah trying to soothe (public opinion) them souring on a good, young prospect.

If the Knicks can acquire with giving in to Ainge's ridiculous demands, then he's a near perfect replacement for Hartenstein.

Also, other than Brad Stevens and Sam Presti has Leon Rose quietly been on of the best GM's the last 3 or 4 seasons. He's been really aggressive in leveraging his talent to get upgrades and getting the next to potential title contender.

[Dverde]

https://x.com/haterreport_/status/1811050904092635211?s=46

[Chinook]

https://x.com/haterreport_/status/1811050904092635211?s=46

:lmao That's so fucked.

[LeBowen]

If only that shot against Phily bounced out, it would've been the best case of karma catching up with a scumbag in sports history.

[Chinook]

Total. It's practically incomprehensible that Ainge thinks he'll get that much draft capital for a guy they no longer value.

I've heard rumblings on podcasts that Kessler was a 'malcontent' and difficult to coach, but I also feel like that is Utah trying to soothe (public opinion) them souring on a good, young prospect.

If the Knicks can acquire with giving in to Ainge's ridiculous demands, then he's a near perfect replacement for Hartenstein.

Also, other than Brad Stevens and Sam Presti has Leon Rose quietly been on of the best GM's the last 3 or 4 seasons. He's been really aggressive in leveraging his talent to get upgrades and getting the next to potential title contender.

The wheeling and dealing GMs can acquire an envious amount of value, but it comes at a cost. I don't think Barnes would've waived his kicker to make a trade to Utah work, for example. Wright's managed to do very well in trades, but he and the rest of the management/staff deserve a ton of credit for being able to do that while still having a player-friendly culture. Players often don't like being treated like objects, and certain GMs can't see them any other way. Think about how differently the Spurs treat their players, thanking Graham after having him ride the bench for the majority of his time in SA. Kessler very likely feels slighted that he's falling down the rotation so the Jazz can try to pump up the trade value for Collins.

[LeBowen]

The wheeling and dealing GMs can acquire an envious amount of value, but it comes at a cost. I don't think Barnes would've waived his kicker to make a trade to Utah work, for example. Wright's managed to do very well in trades, but he and the rest of the management/staff deserve a ton of credit for being able to do that while still having a player-friendly culture. Players often don't like being treated like objects, and certain GMs can't see them any other way. Think about how differently the Spurs treat their players, thanking Graham after having him ride the bench for the majority of his time in SA. Kessler very likely feels slighted that he's falling down the rotation so the Jazz can try to pump up the trade value for Collins.

Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me if Barnes was promised not to be salary dumped next summer and that was one of the reasons he waived his trade kicker.
He wants to play and compete, as you say he wouldn't have waived it if he was dumped somewhere to be a tank commander.

[Spurs Homer]

https://x.com/haterreport_/status/1811050904092635211?s=46

poor bastard - still can't even wipe his own ass!


:lmao:lmao

[spursparker9]

:lmao Nephew. If not for the Toronto miracle, he would be out of the league

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1811076683337769401

[Mugen]

my man is gonna be playing for JJ Redick very soon.

[spurraider21]

:lmao That's so fucked.
id be willing to wager you've used the :lmao emoji no more than like 5 times since you joined ST

[Ariel]

my man is gonna be playing for JJ Redick very soon.
I don't know the Clippers salary situation, but I'd like Trent Jr. to go there if possible. Don't want OKC to keep making bank on their incompetence.

[Mugen]

I don't know the Clippers salary situation, but I'd like Trent Jr. to go there if possible. Don't want OKC to keep making bank on their incompetence.

I don't think Trent is moving the needle regardless if Nephew can't even play half the season tbh.

[Ice009]

I'm with you there, I'd rather the Clippers over the Lakers if he's going to LA. Do not want OKC getting more lottery picks.

[Kindergarten Cop]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1811076683337769401

Am I the only one who had to do a double take thinking that this was actually Patty Mills?

[Darkwaters]

Am I the only one who had to do a double take thinking that this was actually Patty Mills?

Nah, I did the same thing

[MannyIsGod]

I would love Trent on a one year rental but I don't think this is where he'd want to come.

[SOMA Spur]

If you haven't yet tuned into Paul George's latest pod, give it a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/@podcastpshow

He goes in depth about the behind-the-scenes negotiations and the gradual breakdown of talks between he and the Clips. It's a pretty fascinating peak behind the curtain into FA negotiations (and frankly what not to do).

[poopbox]

That was a really quick about-face on Kessler. He went from a 'building block' to expendable in two seasons, LOL.

Also, this alleged trade proposal is why I don't like Danny Ainge. Him & Majari have to either 'win' every trade or swindle someone of far too many assets to execute a deal. You are down on Kessler and hurt his value by benching him last season, but want two or more first - round picks to move him? Absurd.

I think ultimately Utah does a bunch of nothing and goes nowhere the whole time Ainge is in the front office because of this. In today's nba teams are only willing to give up a ton for players that they really want for specific reasons and not just give up a ton for a great player. Lauri's trade market isn't really that hot and 2 of the 3 teams, GS and Sac, have already just moved on to sign other players. That Utah rebuild is going to go from year 2 to year 5 and all they going to have to show for it is Lauri making 44 million that season.

[BackHome]

We all know GS ain't going to do anything they NOT going to throw draft capital for Lauri - They know Steph is old they will just build out a team that is semi completive and it's not like they can make a deep run with Curry being 37 by the time playoffs start.

Any team that really needs him just does not have the draft picks that Ainge is going to want and crappy teams are not going to give away multiple unprotected picks for just a very good player

[CGD]

Angie is overrated. Kudos on Tatum and Brown, but also on being that bad that you could pick top 3 in successive years. And the “genius” move to trade back to get Tatum for a pick that turned out to be Langord.

All return on all this fabled assets he collected was pretty meh honestly:

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/06/19/danny-ainge-first-round-nba-draft-picks/?amp=1

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811168559122243923

[scott]

What time does Bassey clear waivers?

[exstatic]

What time does Bassey clear waivers?


This means the waiver will process at the next waiver processing that is at least a full 24 hours (1 day) later. So, if you drop a player at 8 p.m. ET on Thursday, your waiver will run on or about 4 a.m. ET Saturday - the next scheduled running of waivers that is at least 24 hours past the time the player was dropped.

So, 4 AM tomorrow?

[scott]

Thanks ex.

[DPG21920]

That’s a fake account I think ace

[ace3g]

That’s a fake account I think ace

Crap, thanks for the heads up.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811210058706907477

[CGD]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811210058706907477

ATL can match it right? I know he’s injured but that’s a steal if ATL lets him go.

[scott]

That’s a good move for the Wizards if ATL doesn’t match. It’s very much a Zollins-like prove it deal, though this one is much cheaper in terms of cap allocation. You’d think ATL would match this, because dang that’s cheap.

[spurraider21]

There’s nothing to match. He was unrestricted.

[Mr. Body]

Angie is overrated. Kudos on Tatum and Brown, but also on being that bad that you could pick top 3 in successive years. And the “genius” move to trade back to get Tatum for a pick that turned out to be Langord.

All return on all this fabled assets he collected was pretty meh honestly:

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/06/19/danny-ainge-first-round-nba-draft-picks/?amp=1

He took advantage of the Nets' horrible GM at the time, dumping the corpses of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for a ransom, like stealing from a leper. The rest of his reputation is based off the deals he got for Gobert and Mitchell although those hauls might be just okay if they stay in the playoffs. He has a reputation for being very difficult to work with, which isn't a great thing in professional sports when the object is to be someone good to work with. The Spurs have great relationships with multiple franchises, for example.

[Vienna]

ATL can match it right? I know he’s injured but that’s a steal if ATL lets him go.

not sure about this, but isn't the 7 Million the number that would have pushed the Hawks over the 1st apron?

[cutewizard]

Can we get Luke Kennard?

[DPG21920]

It’s funny because it was Troy Weaver who with DET traded Bey and then he goes to WAS and pays him as a FA.

[exstatic]

It’s funny because it was Troy Weaver who with DET traded Bey and then he goes to WAS and pays him as a FA.

I feel sorry for Wiz fans. They go straight from the frying pan into the inept Troy Weaver fire.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

He took advantage of the Nets' horrible GM at the time, dumping the corpses of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for a ransom, like stealing from a leper. The rest of his reputation is based off the deals he got for Gobert and Mitchell although those hauls might be just okay if they stay in the playoffs. He has a reputation for being very difficult to work with, which isn't a great thing in professional sports when the object is to be someone good to work with. The Spurs have great relationships with multiple franchises, for example.

He also took over a moribund Celtics franchise and put together the Garnett, Pierce , Allen and Rondo team that won a title and played in another finals. He was such a good GM that even Doc Rivers couldn’t screw it up. And once that core aged out he was quick to move it into the current iteration in one of the best pivots in league history. He may be difficult to work with and god i couldn’t stand him as a player, but he’s not in the business of making friends with other league executives. How many GMs in the league are better than him?

I caught some of Utah in summer league last night. They have a lot of young talent. Kessler, Hendricks, George, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier and Filipowski. He’s going to eventually hit on one of these guys and build a contender there, or roll them and picks into some stars. His biggest problem right now is that Markkenan turned out better than anyone thought and it’s preventing them from truly bottoming out. But I like Utahs future a lot better than most teams in the league.

[Mr. Body]

He also took over a moribund Celtics franchise and put together the Garnett, Pierce , Allen and Rondo team that won a title and played in another finals. He was such a good GM that even Doc Rivers couldn’t screw it up. And once that core aged out he was quick to move it into the current iteration in one of the best pivots in league history. He may be difficult to work with and god i couldn’t stand him as a player, but he’s not in the business of making friends with other league executives. How many GMs in the league are better than him?

I caught some of Utah in summer league last night. They have a lot of young talent. Kessler, Hendricks, George, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier and Filipowski. He’s going to eventually hit on one of these guys and build a contender there, or roll them and picks into some stars. His biggest problem right now is that Markkenan turned out better than anyone thought and it’s preventing them from truly bottoming out. But I like Utahs future a lot better than most teams in the league.

True on forming the Boston team. Utah looks harder. It's not a destination and the players he has right now are passable at best. I only watched that amazingly awful and fun game against Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if not a single one of those players plans out as even a starter, except for Kessler. Seem like a lot of Romeo Langford types. He really needs to hit hard with this next draft or they're going to be lost in the desert for much longer.

[Truckules]

I feel sorry for Wiz fans. They go straight from the frying pan into the inept Troy Weaver fire.

I wouldn't feel bad for Wiz fans. Time will tell but I think their front office is very promising given that they're basically OKC East. Winger, Dawkins, and Weaver were all working under Presti in OKC and Schlenk was in Golden State before becoming the GM of a fairly successful Hawks team before the owner's son forced the DJ trade. They have a very experienced front office that I believe will be successful as long as it pulls in the same direction. Also, 3 years $20M is a good contract if Bey can play like he did two seasons ago.

[spurraider21]

He took advantage of the Nets' horrible GM at the time, dumping the corpses of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett for a ransom, like stealing from a leper. The rest of his reputation is based off the deals he got for Gobert and Mitchell although those hauls might be just okay if they stay in the playoffs. He has a reputation for being very difficult to work with, which isn't a great thing in professional sports when the object is to be someone good to work with. The Spurs have great relationships with multiple franchises, for example.
He also pulled off the trades for Allen and Garnett. His trades for IT and then Kyrie were also both very good. Don’t forget markkanen was acquired in the Mitchell trade as well

[TD 21]

I feel sorry for Wiz fans. They go straight from the frying pan into the inept Troy Weaver fire.

Their lead decision maker, Winger, is a (surprise) white guy, so if they go on to have success at some point during this regime, he'll receive the majority of the credit.

If they go on to be abject failures, Dawkins and Weaver, blacks guys, will receive the majority of the criticism . . . and it won't have anything to do with race, because it never does.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see a problem with what the Wizards have done. They got Vucevic, who can provide structure to help Sarr and the forwards play and grow into their natural positions. The Bey pickup is relatively cheap and they needed to make salary anyway. They drafted bright, interesting young players. I think they could have done more to squeeze assets out of their space, but neither Detroit nor Utah have done so, either. Only the Spurs have, and that was a pretty special case.

[scott]

Vuc is still a bull. Wizards got Big Daddy Val.

[Mr. Body]

Vuc is still a bull. Wizards got Big Daddy Val.

Right, that one.

[exstatic]

Vuc is still a bull. Wizards got Big Daddy Val.

Easy mistake to make. They’re virtually the same player, down to being drafted the same year,2011. Huge skilled Euro bigs who can be offensive hubs when needed. One shoots career .348 from 3, the other .341. Interestingly, the one drafted later earned more honors, including two all star nods.

[LeBowen]

Easy mistake to make. They’re virtually the same player, down to being drafted the same year,2011. Huge skilled Euro bigs who can be offensive hubs when needed. One shoots career .348 from 3, the other .341. Interestingly, the one drafted later earned more honors, including two all star nods.

Vucevic was a tier above at his peak.
He was an offensive hub, Valanciunas never was.
He's just a traditional post-scorer and rebounder.

3pt can't be compared because JV has just one season with more than 2 attempts, while Vucevic went as high as 6.5 attempts.

JV is a slightly better defender, but that's all he's got going for him in comparison to Vucevic.

And obviously Vucci Mane is one of the best nicknames in the league.

[tbdog]

ATL can match it right? I know he’s injured but that’s a steal if ATL lets him go.

They pulled the QO. So unristricted.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1811410934595797161

[scott]

Vucevic was a tier above at his peak.
He was an offensive hub, Valanciunas never was.
He's just a traditional post-scorer and rebounder.

3pt can't be compared because JV has just one season with more than 2 attempts, while Vucevic went as high as 6.5 attempts.

JV is a slightly better defender, but that's all he's got going for him in comparison to Vucevic.

And obviously Vucci Mane is one of the best nicknames in the league.

Big Daddy also has his ownership stake in the San Antonio Spurs going for him. Just one of those guys who always finds a way to have his best days against us.

[Truckules]

Their lead decision maker, Winger, is a (surprise) white guy, so if they go on to have success at some point during this regime, he'll receive the majority of the credit.

If they go on to be abject failures, Dawkins and Weaver, blacks guys, will receive the majority of the criticism . . . and it won't have anything to do with race, because it never does.

From what I recall, Winger is more of a lawyer/agent and not as much of a basketball guy as the others. He's probably the right guy to run all of the Washington basketball businesses like RC does, but I definitely think Dawkins is the day-to-day decision maker for the Wizards. Although given how familiar they are with each other, I imagine it's a very collaborative process as it seems to be with the Spurs. Anyone who casts the majority of praise or blame to specific entities is most likely wrong.

[KingKev]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811210058706907477

Jeeze that is a discount but also evidence Vassell is overpaid.

[JPB]

I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...

As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?

But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...

[timtonymanu]

Using Saddiq Bey as an example to say that Vassell is overpaid is …. kinda odd.

[Ice009]

Vucevic was a tier above at his peak.
He was an offensive hub, Valanciunas never was.
He's just a traditional post-scorer and rebounder.

3pt can't be compared because JV has just one season with more than 2 attempts, while Vucevic went as high as 6.5 attempts.

JV is a slightly better defender, but that's all he's got going for him in comparison to Vucevic.

And obviously Vucci Mane is one of the best nicknames in the league.

Not sure if I am remembering right, but I vaguely remember the Spurs thought of Jonas highly going into that draft. I thought I'd read at the time they were trying to trade up to draft him.

Edit : What type of player is Saddiq Bey? I don't think I remember even watching him play? Is he anything like Devin to make the comparisons to him?

[scott]

I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...

As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?

But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...

Yeah, everything you're saying here about the Spurs FO is true, but you're not giving them credit for also being the highest paid in the league!

[Mr. Body]

I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...

As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?

But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...

To me, it's the opposite. Too many people here will suck Presti and Ainge cock at any hour of the day instead of recognizing their mistakes or, you know, how Presti has done exactly what you said: luck into like four very high draft picks, not blowing them, lucking into SGA, and then never winning a championship. The constant sainthood of Presti given by Spurs fans is embarrassing.

The problem on the other side is the failure of these same fans to see the times the Spurs FO has generated things out of nothing, such as reviving the championship window by finding Gary Neal, drafting George Hill, trading him for Kawhi. Or picking very late and developing Kyle Anderson, Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, etc.

To me, it's people like you who blimp up every failure as if it's possible to be perfect in everything, disregard draft landscapes at various picks, other considerations like salary and so on. You'd rather just bitch and whine as you ignore most every context and then do the opposite with your Boy Band posters on the wall in Ainge and Presti.

The truth is somewhere in between, you just don't realize it.

[scott]

1811410883362328597

Pretty important anniversary for the Spurs.

Likewise, hopefully today we announce Bassey is coming home. Him and Duncan are about on the same level.

[exstatic]

I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...

As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?

But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...

Houston added FFV and Brooks last year, and they jumped from 22 to 41 wins. There’s precedent for vet mentorship working.

[Obstructed_View]

Jeeze that is a discount but also evidence Vassell is overpaid.
In a lot of cases, timing plays almost as much of a part in how guys get paid as the players' actual value.

[Ice009]

1811410883362328597

Pretty important anniversary for the Spurs.

Likewise, hopefully today we announce Bassey is coming home. Him and Duncan are about on the same level.

How much did TD re-sign for? I think it was a shorter term contract with the Spurs, wasn't it?

Also, didn't Shaq get offered double that to go to the Lakers? I didn't realize the Magic's offer was that low, or was that the max they could give him at the time?

[scott]

How much did TD re-sign for? I think it was a shorter term contract with the Spurs, wasn't it?

Also, didn't Shaq get offered double that to go to the Lakers? I didn't realize the Magic's offer was that low, or was that the max they could give him at the time?

Spotrac says it was 3/$32MM

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/2703/tim-duncan

[TD 21]

From what I recall, Winger is more of a lawyer/agent and not as much of a basketball guy as the others. He's probably the right guy to run all of the Washington basketball businesses like RC does, but I definitely think Dawkins is the day-to-day decision maker for the Wizards. Although given how familiar they are with each other, I imagine it's a very collaborative process as it seems to be with the Spurs. Anyone who casts the majority of praise or blame to specific entities is most likely wrong.

The way it generally works in terms of decision making hierarchy is: (meddlesome) owner > POBO > GM > head coach.

GM is often charged with doing much of the leg work, but the buck doesn't stop at them. At best, they're in an organization where it's a collaborative approach, not a dictatorship.



I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...

As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?

But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...

Absolutely true . . . but show me a successful front office and I'll show you a lucky one.

Presti is hailed as a genius again because Gilgeous-Alexander unexpectedly zoomed way past All-Star to MVP caliber, Holmgren fell to 2 (because the Magic had needed an offensive centerpiece for 18 years since McGrady) and they struck gold with Williams. Never mind that they swung and missed on a bunch of other lottery and top 20 picks.

[scott]

It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, and we (fans) should evaluate front offices based not on how well they manage a cap or deliver profit for their owners (the owners can do that), but by the product they put on the court. Likewise, while all-time rankings are important - they aren't how we should just FO's in the moment. Tim Duncan is one of the greatest of all time, but he wasn't a Top player in his final year. Likewise, PATFO and Ainge may have a long history of success but they ain't done shit lately except tear their teams down (Ainge is behind PATFO in this regard, and is missing opportunities to do what he needs to). Pop and RC are all-timers, but it doesn't mean that they're good at their jobs today.

[LeBowen]

I feel like most NBA fans overreact. Everything is either amazing or garbage with nothing inbetween.

Presti definitely lucked into SGA trade because Kawhi demanded PG.
He also had some really questionable drafts.

But you can't deny that his turnaround was amazing after losing KD.
Got Oladipo for cheap and drafted Sabonis, then traded them for PG.
It's not like PG fell into his lap, it was a process.
Then cashed in on declining Russ and got CP3 in the process.
Traded CP3 away a year later for some more pieces.

Dort is an undrafted all-defense player, Wiggins and Joe were second round picks.
Drafted Giddey in hope he'll develop a jumpshot, managed to flip him before wasting money on an extension and got another all-defense player.

But as many times before, Presti is great until it's time to actually win.
Caruso and Hartenstein were great moves, now it's up to the players to actually win, that's not GM's job.
They're in a great situation.

As I said before, Brian Wright has done really well as a salesman, got us a lot of assets and our cap situation is amazing.
But he'll need to make some winning moves really soon. And that's kind of uncharted territory for him.

[TD 21]

I feel like most NBA fans overreact. Everything is either amazing or garbage with nothing inbetween.

Presti definitely lucked into SGA trade because Kawhi demanded PG.
He also had some really questionable drafts.

But you can't deny that his turnaround was amazing after losing KD.
Got Oladipo for cheap and drafted Sabonis, then traded them for PG.
It's not like PG fell into his lap, it was a process.
Then cashed in on declining Russ and got CP3 in the process.
Traded CP3 away a year later for some more pieces.

Dort is an undrafted all-defense player, Wiggins and Joe were second round picks.
Drafted Giddey in hope he'll develop a jumpshot, managed to flip him before wasting money on an extension and got another all-defense player.

But as many times before, Presti is great until it's time to actually win.
Caruso and Hartenstein were great moves, now it's up to the players to actually win, that's not GM's job.
They're in a great situation.

As I said before, Brian Wright has done really well as a salesman, got us a lot of assets and our cap situation is amazing.
But he'll need to make some winning moves really soon. And that's kind of uncharted territory for him.

Agreed. Most transactions are situational and needs context rather than just basing it off of results.

I hate the DeFrozen pickup for the Kings, but I get why they did it: They're stuck, have limited expendable assets, Fox is non-committal long term and it can be sold as a "talent play" for cheap.

I'm not sure how the Pacers old school ownership and their refusal to re-build that led to them making the trade they did for George, had anything to do with Presti's being "amazing".

Westbrook begrudgingly wanted to be traded after George was and Harden had applied pressure to the Rockets to capitulate, so the Thunder lucked into getting out of him at the peak of his value (and received an overpay, because Paul was perceived to be more in decline than he was because of his age, stature and injury history) and without looking like the "bad guys".

Trading Paul was another no brainer, as he had re-built his value, their timelines didn't align and they could be seen as "doing right by" one of the better players of all-time.

Giddey is the George trade redux on a smaller scale.

Dort, Joe and Wiggins and nice, but not franchise altering things.

[spurraider21]

wow this guy gets lucky a lot!

[TD 21]

wow this guy gets lucky a lot!

That's what job security/longevity can do for you.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like most NBA fans overreact. Everything is either amazing or garbage with nothing inbetween.

Presti definitely lucked into SGA trade because Kawhi demanded PG.
He also had some really questionable drafts.

But you can't deny that his turnaround was amazing after losing KD.
Got Oladipo for cheap and drafted Sabonis, then traded them for PG.
It's not like PG fell into his lap, it was a process.
Then cashed in on declining Russ and got CP3 in the process.
Traded CP3 away a year later for some more pieces.

Dort is an undrafted all-defense player, Wiggins and Joe were second round picks.
Drafted Giddey in hope he'll develop a jumpshot, managed to flip him before wasting money on an extension and got another all-defense player.

But as many times before, Presti is great until it's time to actually win.
Caruso and Hartenstein were great moves, now it's up to the players to actually win, that's not GM's job.
They're in a great situation.

As I said before, Brian Wright has done really well as a salesman, got us a lot of assets and our cap situation is amazing.
But he'll need to make some winning moves really soon. And that's kind of uncharted territory for him.

He's definitely one of the top execs in the league, absolutely.

Adding to the score sheet...

Traded the draft rights to Immanuel Quickley and Jaden McDaniels in order to get Pokushevski
Traded the draft rights to Sengun to the Houston Rockets
Helped Dallas get both Derrick Lively and Gafford, as well as indirectly PJ Washington, all of whom roflstomped the Thunder this year

He also traded the draft rights to Brandon Clarke to the Grizzlies

So, yes, it's been mixed. Even the best are mixed. He does have a knack for helping out direct rivals, however.

[ismael-robert]

So our guys clear waivers yet

[spurraider21]

bassey did

[Splits]

Pop and RC are all-timers, but it doesn't mean that they're good at their jobs today.

look fowks, I thunt untresand wut u are gattin at hour

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/authoring/authoring-images/2024/07/03/PDTN/74291187007-ap-24184505265361.jpg?crop=4895,2755,x0,y253&width=2560

[Ice009]

Spotrac says it was 3/$32MM

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/2703/tim-duncan

Wow, 3 years at 32M total, that's not much. I wonder if he took a pay cut, or if that was the most he could get back then under the rules?

[exstatic]

So our guys clear waivers yet

I think Mamu was just renounced. They probably started talking to him as soon as the vet deals were done.

[HankChinaski]

Wow, 3 years at 32M total, that's not much. I wonder if he took a pay cut, or if that was the most he could get back then under the rules?

I believe that was the max for a player with less than 7 years exp. in the league could get with the team that drafted them.

Back then it was still a lot. He got his 7 yr 120+ contract in 2003-2009 if I recall correctly.

[exstatic]

Wow, 3 years at 32M total, that's not much. I wonder if he took a pay cut, or if that was the most he could get back then under the rules?

I think the salary cap was like $40M.

[Mr. Body]

Kind of stunning how much money far worse players are getting nowadays. A lot of these guys would never cut it in a pro-defense era and they're making bank on the league created for them.

[RC_Drunkford]

Don Harris said the Spurs were in the Paul George sweepstakes, but bailed out because he wanted a 4th year. According to him they were ready to offer him the max for 3 years.

[scott]

Don Harris said the Spurs were in the Paul George sweepstakes, but bailed out because he wanted a 4th year. According to him they were ready to offer him the max for 3 years.

This news, coupled with the Spurs being reportedly interested in Lauri (but the price being the hold up) is encouraging. It means the FO no longer feels that we need to wait for some unknown future date when Wemby is "ready" - they are willing to pay top dollar for top players now. Props to them for that. Let's actually make it happen.

Side note: also agree with their wisdom that a 4th year for PG13 would not have been the best move.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1811526040503652693

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811520741361484257

[spurraider21]

Don Harris said the Spurs were in the Paul George sweepstakes, but bailed out because he wanted a 4th year. According to him they were ready to offer him the max for 3 years.
makes sense if true. wemby has 3 years left on his rookie deal. spurs probably want to at least give themselves the option to do what Philly did with Maxey (and what the Spurs did in the past with Kawhi) by taking advantage of his cap hold figure being lower than what his actual contract will be.

if things dont work out that way they still may end up just extending him a year early anyway, but they probably dont want to lock themselves to that path if they dont have to. its the same reason why Vassell's contract was structured to have its lowest amount in the 2027 offseason

[exstatic]

makes sense if true. wemby has 3 years left on his rookie deal. spurs probably want to at least give themselves the option to do what Philly did with Maxey (and what the Spurs did in the past with Kawhi) by taking advantage of his cap hold figure being lower than what his actual contract will be.

if things dont work out that way they still may end up just extending him a year early anyway, but they probably dont want to lock themselves to that path if they dont have to. its the same reason why Vassell's contract was structured to have its lowest amount in the 2027 offseason

You can’t extend a player early. They become eligible after their third season,and there is a deadline before season four starts to do the deal. If the extension is signed, it starts for year five. If no extension is reached, they become an RFA after year four, with matching rights.

[spurraider21]

You can’t extend a player early. They become eligible after their third season,and there is a deadline before season four starts to do the deal. If the extension is signed, it starts for year five. If no extension is reached, they become an RFA after year four, with matching rights.
this is what im referencing

the spurs may well end up extending wemby after year 3

or they may want to wait until his free agency after year 4 to take advantage of the cap hold figure being lower than his eventual salary

they probably dont want to lock them into scenario 1 now by giving a massive 4 year deal to somebody like PG

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1811543712163561965

[tbdog]

this is what im referencing

the spurs may well end up extending wemby after year 3

or they may want to wait until his free agency after year 4 to take advantage of the cap hold figure being lower than his eventual salary

they probably dont want to lock them into scenario 1 now by giving a massive 4 year deal to somebody like PG

Wemby gets offered max extension, 1 min after front office can.

[spurraider21]

Wemby gets offered max extension, 1 min after front office can.
thats a possibility. it depends if there's any attempt to utilize cap space in the 2027 offseason or not

we saw the spurs similarly delay Kawhi's rookie extension until he actually hit free agency. that famously allowed us to squeeze in the Aldridge signing

the Sixers just did so with Maxey, and allowed them to sign Paul George

im sure by the time the 2026 offseason rolls around, the spurs will know if they will be in a position to take advantage of the 2027 free agent market or not. if they already project to be over the cap (ie they've already traded for markkanen or some other high priced star), then there's no point in holding off on wemby's extension. but its clear they are at least trying to preserve that possibility, based on Vassell's contract structure, and this new report that they wanted PG for a 3 year deal but not a 4 year deal

[ace3g]

Per Spotrac

Jeff Green (PF) (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2720)Jul 11, 2024 - Houston (HOU) fully guaranteed $8 million salary for 2024-25

[spurraider21]

Per Spotrac

Jeff Green (PF) (https://www.spotrac.com/redirect/player/2720)Jul 11, 2024 - Houston (HOU) fully guaranteed $8 million salary for 2024-25
i dont know if they would have gained any spending power by letting him go, but still a weird amount of money to spend on a guy who played 17mpg last year and will turn 38 before the season starts

[ace3g]

Upcoming guarantee date for the Spurs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSPyo0eXEAAoV6N?format=jpg&name=medium

[jjspur]

Wemby gets offered max extension, 1 min after front office can.

Don't think that they even wait that long. They'll be waiting with the paperwork beforehand. Just sign with a big V right here Wemby.

[3&D_TBH]

Seems to me that the Spurs front office have made solid, grown-up decisions (with their small market in mind) post Kawhi. But I can’t blame them for wanting to frame Wemby’s next ten years with as much flexibility and options as possible. Not much to complain about, really, unless you are an impatient person. Methinks Pop and the fo want to remain dominant once they are dominant. Seems wise. Cheers.

[spurraider21]

Upcoming guarantee date for the Spurs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSPyo0eXEAAoV6N?format=jpg&name=medium
considering the maneuvering they had to do to avoid waiving him, i think its safe to say he'll be around

[Chinook]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.

[The Truth #6]

For me Peacock is better than Bally in that there will be other content to watch, I suppose, though not sure what exactly.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1811570341376094369

[timvp]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1811543712163561965

Expected ... but good news.

[ismael-robert]

Mamu?

[Degoat]

Yeah what would be the hold up on bringing back Mamu?

[scott]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1811543712163561965

BRING HIM HOME

[scott]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.

It’s time to cut the cord!

At this point, I’ve been roped into pretty much every streaming service there is… and yeah, it’s not cheaper than cable, but the user experience is much better, aside from having to remember which app has which content. Peacock and Paramount+ are the easiest to get mixed up.

[Mr. Body]

All I know is watching premier league on Peacock hasn't been the greatest.

[Seventyniner]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.

Why not just get League Pass?

[spursgu]

Loved the Paul signing and Barnes trade. This team needed veterans, kinda like how the Rockets have Vanvleet and Brooks. Spurs should get about 38 - 41 wins, imo. All depends on health. Vassell has a hard time staying healthy as it is.

[taps]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.

Is this what people within the Spurs League Pass media blackout areas in Texas will have to contend with? Meaning even paying for cable and network TV won’t guarantee all the games anymore?
I believe Amazon will take over for Bally Sports content.

[heyheymymy]

Ballys is dead to me for blacking out FSN where I could get MLB games etc

Fuck you Diamond Media Group.

[sfernald]

Their lead decision maker, Winger, is a (surprise) white guy, so if they go on to have success at some point during this regime, he'll receive the majority of the credit.

If they go on to be abject failures, Dawkins and Weaver, blacks guys, will receive the majority of the criticism . . . and it won't have anything to do with race, because it never does.

Are you saying the NBA is racist? That almost seems impossible to contemplate. Is that why LeBron gets so much hatred?

[JPB]

Houston added FFV and Brooks last year, and they jumped from 22 to 41 wins. There’s precedent for vet mentorship working.

The most important part was "washep up" (rental) vets. Brooks and FFV are in their prime and improve the team on the court, before talking about mentorship. They can teach by example and earn other players respect with what they bring every night

Everyone (including players) knows Paul and Barnes are probably here for one year and will be nothing more than assistant coaches...

[JPB]

I feel like most NBA fans overreact. Everything is either amazing or garbage with nothing inbetween.

Presti definitely lucked into SGA trade because Kawhi demanded PG.
He also had some really questionable drafts.

But you can't deny that his turnaround was amazing after losing KD.
Got Oladipo for cheap and drafted Sabonis, then traded them for PG.
It's not like PG fell into his lap, it was a process.
Then cashed in on declining Russ and got CP3 in the process.
Traded CP3 away a year later for some more pieces.

Dort is an undrafted all-defense player, Wiggins and Joe were second round picks.
Drafted Giddey in hope he'll develop a jumpshot, managed to flip him before wasting money on an extension and got another all-defense player.

But as many times before, Presti is great until it's time to actually win.
Caruso and Hartenstein were great moves, now it's up to the players to actually win, that's not GM's job.
They're in a great situation.

As I said before, Brian Wright has done really well as a salesman, got us a lot of assets and our cap situation is amazing.
But he'll need to make some winning moves really soon. And that's kind of uncharted territory for him.

What you sas is true but only one finals appearance with 3 future MPVs in Durant, Westbrook and Harden (+ Ibaka) on your roster is underachieving. And OKC didn't do much with what they got for losing the 3 of them. Took them 10 years to get back to contention.

[JPB]

i dont know if they would have gained any spending power by letting him go, but still a weird amount of money to spend on a guy who played 17mpg last year and will turn 38 before the season starts

For a monent, I thought you were talking about CP3.

"Mentorship", mate. Spurs are gonna give Paul 10M for that (before he pulls an hamstring and teach the youngsters from the bench).

[spurraider21]

Paul played 26mpg last year and said part of why he came to the spurs was wanting to play more

[exstatic]

The most important part was "washep up" (rental) vets. Brooks and FFV are in their prime and improve the team on the court, before talking about mentorship. They can teach by example and earn other players respect with what they bring every night

Everyone (including players) knows Paul and Barnes are probably here for one year and will be nothing more than assistant coaches...

FVV and Brooks only signed for two years, and I hesitated to mention this, but they’re both kind of idiots. I would think Paul and Barnes would be much better at mentorship. Paul will start, and I think a Barnes probably will, pushing Julian into a more suitable bench role. They won’t be assistant coaches, CP going as far as saying “I’m not a coach” in his intro presser.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1811455928140726598

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1811455928140726598

I know it won’t happen because we have a thousand guards already but damnit I want my guy Alondes on this team

[Mr. Body]

Kind of sucks for these players that teams can keep them under their own control only to release them. There should be a pay-out or penalty paid to the player in return for keeping them from finding work elsewhere.

[CGD]

Looks like theyre updating the Capulator (one of my fave tools when its current)

https://www.shamsports.com/capulator/

[scott]

Is this what people within the Spurs League Pass media blackout areas in Texas will have to contend with? Meaning even paying for cable and network TV won’t guarantee all the games anymore?
I believe Amazon will take over for Bally Sports content.

I’m most curious how the new TV deal will trickle down to local markets and blackouts. For example, I live in HI and have League Pass. California teams have their local coverage through CA sports channel (maybe NBC Sports?) that is available on a sports package on Hawaii Telecom, which most people in HI don’t have (most have Spectrum, I have YouTubeTV). Because of the HI Telecom thing, all of those west coast Spurs games get blacked out on League Pass. It’s fucking stupid and I hate it.

[Chinook]

Why not just get League Pass?

If League Pass is doing its job, the national games will get blacked out. If LP actually guarantees all games, I'd be very interested.

[Chinook]

It’s time to cut the cord!

At this point, I’ve been roped into pretty much every streaming service there is… and yeah, it’s not cheaper than cable, but the user experience is much better, aside from having to remember which app has which content. Peacock and Paramount+ are the easiest to get mixed up.

My mother lives with me, and she will not do streaming. So I'm stuck paying for cable for the foreseeable future.

[Strategic]

It can suck. I live in southwest Missouri and when the Spurs are playing okc or Memphis I get blacked out.

[mo7888]

It can suck. I live in southwest Missouri and when the Spurs are playing okc or Memphis I get blacked out.

Same.... I live in the same area and deal with the same thing..

[Strategic]

My mother lives with me, and she will not do streaming. So I'm stuck paying for cable for the foreseeable future. I hear you. This season I was visiting my dad, he is 89 and been with direct tv forever. The Spurs were playing so I activated the Roku on his tv so I could watch league pass. I told and showed him how to get to direct tv and to his local stations. He bitched and moaned the next morning because he had to push an extra button or 2. After a couple hours I set the damn thing back to previous Modes.

[spurraider21]

My mother lives with me, and she will not do streaming. So I'm stuck paying for cable for the foreseeable future.
or do you live with your mother 0_o

[Arguendo]

My mother lives with me, and she will not do streaming. So I'm stuck paying for cable for the foreseeable future.
FWIW, YouTV is cable just delivered via internet. You can set it up (on most major brand TVs) as default in <5min so it opens when the TV powers on & pretty sure can have it default to “Live” = the cable part, very similar UI compared to Uverse, Spectrum, DirecTV.
That said I tried to sell my Dad on it to save him several $100 a yr, set it up for him last time I was in SA but turns out he rather just complain about to cost of Uverse than make any switch hahaha.

[spurraider21]

you could very easily sell youtubetv as cable to an elderly person

i dont currently have an account w/ them, so i dont remember what the ability there is as far as including add-on's like other subscriptions

[jermaine]

If League Pass is doing its job, the national games will get blacked out. If LP actually guarantees all games, I'd be very interested.

I live in Dallas, so I can't see Mavs & Spurs games.

[scott]

My mother lives with me, and she will not do streaming. So I'm stuck paying for cable for the foreseeable future.

Shout out to all those taking care of their parents the way they took care of us!

[scott]

you could very easily sell youtubetv as cable to an elderly person

i dont currently have an account w/ them, so i dont remember what the ability there is as far as including add-on's like other subscriptions

It's pretty easy to add things like Max, LeaguePass, etc to YouTubeTV - but you can't add Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Paramount+, etc.

I really like YouTubeTV as my "TV" option - but they've gotten out of control with their price increases. I started with them back when it was like $49/mo, and now it's $85/mo with no end in sight.

[Kindergarten Cop]

It can suck. I live in southwest Missouri and when the Spurs are playing okc or Memphis I get blacked out.


Same.... I live in the same area and deal with the same thing..

I live in the southeast corner of Kansas (somewhat close to you guys) - and I have OKC games blacked out and weirdly, the Denver and Minnesota games blacked out as well.

[ismael-robert]

Love my folks but if I'm paying bill I choose provider

[spurraider21]

It's pretty easy to add things like Max, LeaguePass, etc to YouTubeTV - but you can't add Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Paramount+, etc.

I really like YouTubeTV as my "TV" option - but they've gotten out of control with their price increases. I started with them back when it was like $49/mo, and now it's $85/mo with no end in sight.
yeah rn all i have is hulu (every time i quit they give me a $3/mo offer for 6 months or something :lol), prime (use it for deliveries and whatnot anyway), and disney+ (almost a necessity with the kiddos and occasional good adult stuff too)

i might temporarily add netflix if something good drops like next season of stranger things, but not till then

otherwise i go splitsies on youtubetv + nfl sunday ticket during football season

and league pass. since i dont like near SA i get all the non-national spurs games there

[Arguendo]

you could very easily sell youtubetv as cable to an elderly person

i dont currently have an account w/ them, so i dont remember what the ability there is as far as including add-on's like other subscriptions
Definitely bc it is cable if cable is about access to live “cable” channels, but not if “cable” means a dedicated set-top box & remote. In DFW I have 129 live channels, interface feels like the rest except ordering is Local-Sports-Alphabetical vs arbitrary numbering, but the suggestions are great (I watch sports so above the channel list shows the live games in-play or about to start).
Only big difference is it defaults to “library” of recorded shows-home (on-demand)-Live (cable) but I’d imagine that has to be changeable
Its also really easy to hide channels your never watch & cancel/renew…I’ll have it for 2 more days until football season kicks-off plus same experience on mobile/computer=never miss a game if u have to run an errand or traveling

[Arguendo]

It's pretty easy to add things like Max, LeaguePass, etc to YouTubeTV - but you can't add Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Paramount+, etc.

I really like YouTubeTV as my "TV" option - but they've gotten out of control with their price increases. I started with them back when it was like $49/mo, and now it's $85/mo with no end in sight.
Can add Paramount+ w/showtime now…& 2nd in the price increase but for me it’s very close in cost to the other cable/etc options but easier & the cross platform is nice/seamless, cancelling after the finals & waiting til kick-off saves a big chunk

[Chinook]

or do you live with your mother 0_o

She didn't have a basement, so I couldn't live there.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.

Oh it will be very annoying if Peacock carries playoff games like they pulled with the NFL. I'm currently on some $2/month plan but won't be forever. Hopefully the Spurs games on them will be spread out so folks can just use free trials to watch.

Bally sucked overall but the best thing about it was commercial-free replays. There's no way Amazon passes up that revenue.

[BacktoBasics]

So is Bally finally done. I’m considered local in corpus but the games aren’t shown here and I’m blacked out on league pass.

It’s so annoying. I paid for Bally but still missed some games. Can’t understand why this has to be so complicated. Lift the antiquated blackout nonsense.

[stnick2261]

I hear you. This season I was visiting my dad, he is 89 and been with direct tv forever. The Spurs were playing so I activated the Roku on his tv so I could watch league pass. I told and showed him how to get to direct tv and to his local stations. He bitched and moaned the next morning because he had to push an extra button or 2. After a couple hours I set the damn thing back to previous Modes.


Shout out to all those taking care of their parents the way they took care of us!

My wife's mother was an only child so my wife helps to take care of her elderly grandmother. I'm in charge of making the electronics simple to use.

I'd recommend using a box like AppleTV (my brother uses a Roku box). You organize the main screen to have the most used apps on the top line and remove anything that wont be used. Most cable companies have an app where you can watch their live channels through the AppleTV app. Then you add any streaming services that you are subscribed to. I also have a PLEX server/app where I host media (movies I own and especially home videos) and she can stay logged in to stream those videos from my home computer to her house TV. All of the apps are on 1 screen and she only uses 1 (simple) remote.

Here is a link to the DirectTV app for AppleTV.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/directv/id1136238277?platform=appleTV

I've learned that trying to use Apps directly on a Smart TV is confusing. Most companies focus on writing their apps for devices like iPhone, iPad, AppleTV... or Android OS or Roku box. Switching between a cable box and apps on a Smart TV is too much for elderly people.

[stnick2261]

I paid for Bally during the last basketball season. Can someone post once details are out about streaming the upcoming season? I technically don't have a cable service and I don't have Amazon Prime Video either. I'm guessing I'd have to pay for Amazon Prime AND pay more for some NBA streaming package?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811871049992343726

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1811871030454915301

[RC_Drunkford]

bargain

1811867780884627697

[Chinook]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1811871030454915301

Randolph got his jersey retired when he was still playing. It's this kind of sloppiness that gives me pause whenever Stein breaks something.

[r0drig0lac]

bargain

1811867780884627697

wow

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811839264105333064

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1811168559122243923

[J_Paco]

Jeeze that is a discount but also evidence Vassell is overpaid.

Vassell is a lot better of player than Saddiq, though. He's hurt going into next season and had a down year from the three-point line (31.6%).

[Ice009]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1811871030454915301

Wow, what a great thing he did. Dallas fucked up letting him go. This guy leads the way. If you want to win and take all the money, you can't cry about it if you team can't get players around you. Having said that, I wouldn't do it for just anyone. I'd have to really like the players and person to take a discount like that.
I am guessing that is why TD took some discounts as Manu and Tony were pretty good people as well as great players.

[Ocotillo]

Just saw Bassey has been signed.

My bad, was a piece saying he should be re-signed.

[Das Texan]

It's pretty easy to add things like Max, LeaguePass, etc to YouTubeTV - but you can't add Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Paramount+, etc.

I really like YouTubeTV as my "TV" option - but they've gotten out of control with their price increases. I started with them back when it was like $49/mo, and now it's $85/mo with no end in sight.


Plus they have taken away some channels with no more than a shrug and a fuck off.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1811886649288085663

[MannyIsGod]

I'd only been looking at the new media deal superficially, but ESPN put out a bit more detailed article.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40535771/reports-nba-agrees-terms-76-billion-media-rights-deal

In short:

Mondays -- Peacock (some)
Tuesdays -- NBC
Wednedays -- ESPN
Thursdays -- Amazon (after the NFL season ends)
Friday -- ESPN (sometimes), Amazon
Saturday -- Amazon
Sunday -- ABC (Day), NBC (night, after the NFL season ends), ESPN (sometimes)

How are folks feeling about having to subscribe to Peacock to watch Spurs in two years? As someone who still has cable, I am quite pretty annoyed at how Peacock's managed to get exclusive broadcast rights to things I was already paying a bunch of money to watch in previous years.


Already get it to watch EPL soccer so its whatever for me. Honestly this might be enough for me to be able to get rid of Youtube TV. If every game will be on a streaming service that I have plus League Pass then I might pull the plug on that. I hope NBA TV doesn't get games.

[MannyIsGod]

It’s time to cut the cord!

At this point, I’ve been roped into pretty much every streaming service there is… and yeah, it’s not cheaper than cable, but the user experience is much better, aside from having to remember which app has which content. Peacock and Paramount+ are the easiest to get mixed up.

I told myself I would pause services that I don't need at a particular time of year (like right now, Peacock and Paramount+). Have I done that, nope. Still OK with what I costs since I can watch pretty much all sports i want to effortlessly.

[MannyIsGod]

It's pretty easy to add things like Max, LeaguePass, etc to YouTubeTV - but you can't add Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Paramount+, etc.

I really like YouTubeTV as my "TV" option - but they've gotten out of control with their price increases. I started with them back when it was like $49/mo, and now it's $85/mo with no end in sight.

Same its gotten expensive man. But also, my entire family and a couple of friends mooch off my Youtube TV subscription so I don't care TOO much. Being nickel and dimed for 4k does annoy me though.

[MannyIsGod]

IMO, the fact we haven't heard about the Spurs reupping their free agents probably means they're trying to get someone(s) other than them with the room exception.

[scott]

I told myself I would pause services that I don't need at a particular time of year (like right now, Peacock and Paramount+). Have I done that, nope. Still OK with what I costs since I can watch pretty much all sports i want to effortlessly.

The wife just signed up for a 3 month trial of Apple TV+ and I immediately told her “you realize we’re never getting rid of this, right?”

[scott]

Same its gotten expensive man. But also, my entire family and a couple of friends mooch off my Youtube TV subscription so I don't care TOO much. Being nickel and dimed for 4k does annoy me though.

I refuse to get the 4k for that reason. Can I afford it? Yeah, but fuck these assholes :lol

[MannyIsGod]

I refuse to get the 4k for that reason. Can I afford it? Yeah, but fuck these assholes :lol

There's almost nothing worth watching in 4k but since my family uses the account too removing the concurrent streams limit is really why I have it. But some of the 4k CFB/Soccer matches are better than HD. But yeah, it annoys me so much more than the price increases.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GU8YWX_xc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_osvyThs8

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJIUNHfYM4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwP4mWm_tks

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_2RCKis5Ao

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-y9s0Pn5wk

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGpRlduqk34

[freetiago]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvUGSymilw

23/4/5/1/3 on 53% fg 67% 3s on deep attempts and off the dribble
25/6/4/1/1 on 50% fg 45% 3s on 11 attempts Knecht

Three guys most of Spurstalk were against (Sheppard, Knecht, Edey) drafting have all looked really good in their games so far. We just need 3+ years for Castle to maybe become a league average 3 point shooter :downspin:

[onechance87]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvUGSymilw

23/4/5/1/3 on 53% fg 67% 3s on deep attempts and off the dribble
25/6/4/1/1 on 50% fg 45% 3s on 11 attempts Knecht

Three guys most of Spurstalk were against (Sheppard, Knecht, Edey) drafting have all looked really good in their games so far. We just need 3+ years for Castle to maybe become a league average 3 point shooter :downspin:

well we didnt have a chance to draft him...Even if we did,Not sure we would of gone after him anyways.Seems like we want players who
cant shoot and believe our development team can fix them.Sheepard got that curry touch it seems fck me.

[Chinook]

Doesn't make sense to lump Sheppard in with Knecht and Edey. Those two have age concerns that hindered their value. It's not shocking that guys who were college stars as super seniors would play well out of the gate in SL. Sheppard was the third-lverall pick for a reason. It's more impressive that he started off well, but as we know, it's not a sign of sure success.

[AFBlue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvUGSymilw

23/4/5/1/3 on 53% fg 67% 3s on deep attempts and off the dribble
25/6/4/1/1 on 50% fg 45% 3s on 11 attempts Knecht

Three guys most of Spurstalk were against (Sheppard, Knecht, Edey) drafting have all looked really good in their games so far. We just need 3+ years for Castle to maybe become a league average 3 point shooter :downspin:

Summer League is built for shooters and those that can take advantage of a crazy, chaotic up-and-down game with no rhythm. Marco Bellinelli had like 40 in a SL game at one point.

That said, I don't know who was against drafting Sheppard. Other than his size, it's pretty clear he was going to be one of the top guys in the draft. That's why he didn't last to the Spurs pick.

[z0sa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLvUGSymilw

23/4/5/1/3 on 53% fg 67% 3s on deep attempts and off the dribble
25/6/4/1/1 on 50% fg 45% 3s on 11 attempts Knecht

Three guys most of Spurstalk were against (Sheppard, Knecht, Edey) drafting have all looked really good in their games so far. We just need 3+ years for Castle to maybe become a league average 3 point shooter :downspin:

Hardly anyone was against Sheppard. I personally wanted him over Castle, he just didn't fall that far.

Knecht I'm tentatively with you about. He was my 8th pick after RD. I'm on the "fuck 2030/31 picks" train, even though even my homer wants-to-win-now ass can see they're obviously worth the 8th pick if everything works out.

[RC_Drunkford]

most of us had Sheppard in their top 5 tbh

[Dejounte]

most of us had Sheppard in their top 5 tbh
Nah this is changing the narrative. Not you specifically, but there’s plenty of evidence in the threads questioning if Reed would have success in the NBA. His combine was even twisted against him. And comments about him only being able to play shooting guard. You can easily find out who those guys are that people should stop listening to for draft analysis tbh

[Ginobili2Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJIUNHfYM4

Windy’s agenda along with the other fairies at ESPN is apparent and their desire to push Wemby out of SA and to a bigger market. For the next couple years these “insiders” are going to attempt to put a wedge between PATFO and Wemby. Hopefully everyone involved is smart enough to realize what’s happening. If I’m Spurs management I wouldn’t let these bastards anywhere near the building.

[Dejounte]

most of us had Sheppard in their top 5 tbh

Wait, I remember your ass calling him a 6th man at best. I take it back :lmao. What kind of gaslighting shit is this

[Dejounte]

that's exactly what I thought too: Why waste #4 on Patty Mills 2nd coming? Sheppard doesn't create shots for himself, Dillingham does. He was better defensively, but won't do much on that end in the NBA cause he's too small.

I found one of the posts :lmao

this is gaslighting at its finest and why i call out people who make bad takes and never own up to it

[Big Empty]

I found one of the posts :lmao

this is gaslighting at its finest and why i call out people who make bad takes and never own up to it
Lmao great find i love this forum

[rankingtear]

Pull up guys are gods of the summer league. I think it is more telling if a pull up guy is struggling like Johnny Davis and Dilly debut.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not at all of the belief that we wouldn't have taken Sheppard if he was available. He would have been a seamless fit regardless of the Paul signing.

[Leetonidas]

Everyone should know by now that summer league performance is meaningless and performing well in summer means jack shit when it comes to the actual season

[Degoat]

Bryn Forbes dominated summer league as well, Sheppard looked good but let’s not act like he’s already cemented himself as the top prospect from this draft.

[heyheymymy]

Jesus, DJ came with RECIEPTS lol brb deleting old posts j/k ::sweats::

I voted Castle in the ST poll and def had Sheppard in my top 3 on my last big board before the draft.

Risacher
Castle
Sheppard

Was a pretty common holy grail for most posters. What I do remember is a more subjective preferential advocating for someone else besides Sheppard for fit but I feel like most people recognized and paid due respect to what Sheps potential was here and reddit etc before the draft. I do recall some naysayers though.

One thing I noticed last night was Sheppard doing the old Tre Jones hunchback ball protection as he dribbled. Hunching at the waist and pushing your butt out to create separation as you dribble from the defender to shield from ball swipes. Summer league is one thing but how does that translate to NBA? Playoffs?

[DPG21920]

Windy’s agenda along with the other fairies at ESPN is apparent and their desire to push Wemby out of SA and to a bigger market. For the next couple years these “insiders” are going to attempt to put a wedge between PATFO and Wemby. Hopefully everyone involved is smart enough to realize what’s happening. If I’m Spurs management I wouldn’t let these bastards anywhere near the building.

My friend not everyone is against Sa lol. Windy in particular is EXTREMELY pro San Antonio. Not just Wemby and the team but the city. He’s been pounding the drum on how it’s a great city alongside Wemby will attract talent to SA.

Maybe others are doing what you say but not Windy in particular

[DPG21920]

Reed looked amazing and it wasn’t just the shooting. His hands and anticipation on defense looked good. Hou has drafted very well and are very analytical and Reed was off charts on analytics so not surprising hou took him.


Who knows how good he will be but he looked solid so far. Sucks hou got him but oh well. We roll with our guys and I’m happy with Castle too. I wanted both of them tbh

[spurraider21]

I had Risacher Sheppard Dillingham Sarr in my top tier and in that order

and i admittedly was low on Castle as a point guard and preferred him as a wing. Would love to be wrong there and so far like the things I’ve seen

[Ginobili2Duncan]

My friend not everyone is against Sa lol. Windy in particular is EXTREMELY pro San Antonio. Not just Wemby and the team but the city. He’s been pounding the drum on how it’s a great city alongside Wemby will attract talent to SA.

Maybe others are doing what you say but not Windy in particular

I think you need to listen to Windy’s rhetoric again if you think he’s been pro San Antonio. He’s not. He along with other pundits are already trying to drive the narrative that the FO is failing Wemby. I think the agenda is obvious. If you don’t see where I’m coming from go watch his reaction after Giannis signed his extension with the Bucks. I predict Windy along with others will have a similar reaction when the Spurs start winning and they’ve been made to look like morons.

[DPG21920]

I think you need to listen to Windy’s rhetoric again if you think he’s been pro San Antonio. He’s not. He along with other pundits are already trying to drive the narrative that the FO is failing Wemby. I think the agenda is obvious. If you don’t see where I’m coming from go watch his reaction after Giannis signed his extension with the Bucks. I predict Windy along with others will have a similar reaction when the Spurs start winning and they’ve been made to look like morons.

I’ve listened to plenty of him gushing over San Antonio. There’s nothing there with regard to your theory and Windy in particular imo.

[DPG21920]

I had Risacher Sheppard Dillingham Sarr in my top tier and in that order

and i admittedly was low on Castle as a point guard and preferred him as a wing. Would love to be wrong there and so far like the things I’ve seen

I flip flopped 100s of scenarios leading up to draft but ultimately I settled on Reed as best player for a variety of reasons. I really liked Castle too but I did voice that I think his floor is lower than many here would admit if things don’t go well.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1812136746555166872

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah this is changing the narrative. Not you specifically, but there’s plenty of evidence in the threads questioning if Reed would have success in the NBA. His combine was even twisted against him. And comments about him only being able to play shooting guard. You can easily find out who those guys are that people should stop listening to for draft analysis tbh


Wait, I remember your ass calling him a 6th man at best. I take it back :lmao. What kind of gaslighting shit is this

every player in this draft had these type of concerns. Risacher's dribbling, Sarr's and Castle's shooting, Sheppard's and Dillingham's height. That doesn't mean he wasn't up high on my board. I know I said this and I'm still higher on Dillingham cause of his self creation ability, but that doesn't mean Sheppard ain't a top 5 pick in this mediocre draft class. Like most people on this board I still had him before Holland, Knecht, Buzelis, Cody Williams, Clingan, Edey, Salaun and even Devin Carter, so figure out where he's ranked :lol

By the way I still think he will play 6th man for the Rockets this season.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1812165618201931798

[RC_Drunkford]

I found one of the posts :lmao

this is gaslighting at its finest and why i call out people who make bad takes and never own up to it

While you are digging up posts, you should look up your Draft Consensus Series and see who I voted for at #3: Reed Sheppard :lol

[spurraider21]

I flip flopped 100s of scenarios leading up to draft but ultimately I settled on Reed as best player for a variety of reasons. I really liked Castle too but I did voice that I think his floor is lower than many here would admit if things don’t go well.
I had wing castle as a tier 2 prospect and pg castle as a tier 4 prospect.

here’s to hopefully being wrong

[rjv]

Taj Gibson is still in the league?

[rascal]

most of us had Sheppard in their top 5 tbh

Not me

Didn't like either Kentucky guard. Still like Castle more than both of them.

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, I never agreed with people questioning Reed's defense... he had elite steal numbers and incredible block numbers for a guard, and had the best defensive impact stats by far on his Kentucky team. His defensive numbers were better than some guys in recent drafts who were considered defensive specialists. Almost all of the concerns were based on a tiny sample size of POA videos, but every defender has those... if you look at the entire body of evidence, he was a great defender in college.

[benefactor]

Summer League is built for shooters and those that can take advantage of a crazy, chaotic up-and-down game with no rhythm. Marco Bellinelli had like 40 in a SL game at one point.

That said, I don't know who was against drafting Sheppard. Other than his size, it's pretty clear he was going to be one of the top guys in the draft. That's why he didn't last to the Spurs pick.
Mr. Body said he'd rather trade down than take Sheppard

[benefactor]

Taj Gibson is still in the league?
Ha...I literally just said that out loud lol

[scott]

Bassey news? Must be waiting til after the Lauri trade :fro

[CGD]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1812165618201931798

Are these 4 year deals for SRPs basically the Bassey deals? The dollar amounts on their face look stupid large otherwise

[Chinook]

Are these 4 year deals for SRPs basically the Bassey deals? The dollar amounts on their face look stupid large otherwise

Think of them as basically what DeJuan Blair got from SA in 2009. It's very close to what the 30th pick gets.

You also need to recalibrate of you think a min salary is stupid large

[heyheymymy]

Bassey news? Must be waiting til after the Lauri trade :fro

the prodigal son must return

[AFBlue]

Mr. Body said he'd rather trade down than take Sheppard

Good to know. Personally, I had Sheppard as the top guy on my board.

[objective]

I had Shepperd #1 and there were plenty of anti-Shepperd people for pick 4. I also was anti-Castle, and that is not over for me, still not high on Castle.

BUT

I will grant that there was probably no realistic avenue for the Spurs to have moved up and traded for Shepperd with the 3 teams above them.

Atlanta at #1 could have been so hell bent on leverage that nothing short of their entire future draft back could have been good enough. A dozen other teams could have been #1 pick and willing to deal fairly with the Spurs but I don't think Atlanta was. Not even 4 & 8 would have done it, I bet they would have squeezed for 25 & 27 if the Spurs were so hot on moving up and that wasn't happening

Washington at #2 for the first time in history has a player that is maneuvering to get to them, and if they trade down to 4, risk losing to Houston or a trade at 3 and I don't think they were risking that for anything

Houston had Shepperd #1 on their board, rightly, and weren't going to give that up, even for 4 and 8 in this shit draft. Shepperd was the best, and 4 and 8 weren't getting you there.

If Memphis had moved to top 3, they probably are willing to move down because they could still get a center they like and have a premiere back court already. Portland would have been willing to trade, I bet Charlotte also.

But the way I see it, there wasn't a credible way to ever get Shepperd after the draft order became what it was.

Now would the Spurs have passed on Shepperd anyway? I don't know. I don't trust their scouting, but they did pass on Buzelis even when having the chance, and I feared a Castle & Buzelis combo predraft, 2 of my least favorite. But there were those weird stories about the Spurs scouting every practice and game in person for Castle, which seems like a waste of time and overkill, if they liked him that much they could have spent more time on other players and maybe they would have found a guy they really wanted for 8, but whatever.

[TD 21]

^ Agreed that probably no reasonable package was getting them into the top 3, but I don't think they would have taken Sheppard over Castle anyway.

It's been made painstakingly clear for the better part of a decade now that they're not interested in investing in a small guard, prioritizing shooting or leaning heavily on analytics.

[mudyez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9GU8YWX_xc

I remember this language..."Oh mein Gott" translates to "Spurs are sooooo lucky."

[ace3g]

Veteran big man Mike Muscala (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/muscami01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2024-07-13_bbr) is ending his playing career, telling Joel Lorenzi of The Oklahoman (https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2024/07/13/mike-muscala-to-retire-from-nba-okc-thunder/74391557007/) that he plans to retire.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1812630651797168373

[Bruno]

A couple of Euroleague teams (Bercelona and Milano) are reportedly interested in signing Mamu:
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/baloncesto-barca/ala-pivot-nba-desencallaria-mercado-105608073
https://www.pianetabasket.com/olimpia-milano/mercato-lba-qs-olimpia-milano-si-cerca-anche-un-play-a-las-vegas-305656

If no NBA team want to sign him or if he prefers to have more playing time, Mamu has some nice options in Europe.

[KingKev]

Windy’s agenda along with the other fairies at ESPN is apparent and their desire to push Wemby out of SA and to a bigger market. For the next couple years these “insiders” are going to attempt to put a wedge between PATFO and Wemby. Hopefully everyone involved is smart enough to realize what’s happening. If I’m Spurs management I wouldn’t let these bastards anywhere near the building.

Everything these fellas said was spot on and very apparent to anyone with half a brain.

[Ariel]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1812874480332501354
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5638084/2024/07/15/lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-trade-contract-latest-nba-notes/

The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Lauri Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.
Trying to guess Ainge's asking price for the Spurs: Vassell, Castle, Sochan, every pick and swap available, and the soul of Pop's grandchildren.

[Mr. Body]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1812874480332501354
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5638084/2024/07/15/lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-trade-contract-latest-nba-notes/

Trying to guess Ainge's asking price for the Spurs: Vassell, Castle, Sochan, every pick and swap available, and the soul of Pop's grandchildren.

Ainge only wants to rake desperate teams over the coals and that's what he has with GSW. It seems like other teams have left the market so him and the Warriors are just staring at each other.

[Mr. Body]

I remember this language..."Oh mein Gott" translates to "Spurs are sooooo lucky."

Das kann nicht sein! That cannot be! Is language usually reserved for Elder Gods like Cthulhu.

[KingKev]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1812874480332501354
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5638084/2024/07/15/lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-trade-contract-latest-nba-notes/

Trying to guess Ainge's asking price for the Spurs: Vassell, Castle, Sochan, every pick and swap available, and the soul of Pop's grandchildren.

and Erin’s ashes. Ainge is that much of a prick. We are def not getting Mark for anything short of what Mikal Bridges traded hands for.

[LeBowen]

and Erin’s ashes. Ainge is that much of a prick. We are def not getting Mark for anything short of what Mikal Bridges traded hands for.

Bridges was traded for salary filler, four FRPs and one swap that's in Knicks contention window and one Bucks pick that won't convey.

I'd argue that two Hawks picks are more valuable than that entire package.

Keldon, two Minnesota picks, Chicago pick and one Hawks pick would be more valuable than Bridges return.

[exstatic]

Ainge’s tune might well change after 6 August.

[Seventyniner]

Ainge taking that Warriors offer and then Markkanen refusing the extension and walking after the season is over would be the perfect ending.

If Markkanen is tired of tanking, why would he want to extend with a team that would literally have no future once Curry retires?

[scott]

Ainge taking that Warriors offer and then Markkanen refusing the extension and walking after the season is over would be the perfect ending.

If Markkanen is tired of tanking, why would he want to extend with a team that would literally have no future once Curry retires?

Playing devil's advocate... how close do we think Steph is to retiring? Yeah he's 36, but he still look in great form. He may very well play into his 40s.

[Ariel]

Ainge taking that Warriors offer and then Markkanen refusing the extension and walking after the season is over would be the perfect ending.

If Markkanen is tired of tanking, why would he want to extend with a team that would literally have no future once Curry retires?
Because he probably figures he can guarantee his money now (more than he'd get from any team as a free agent, as he'd also be renegotiating this year's salary) and demand a trade later (doubt he cares more about some third team's asset management over his own long term financial wellbeing). But if he wants out badly enough, maybe he does just that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Seventyniner]

Playing devil's advocate... how close do we think Steph is to retiring? Yeah he's 36, but he still look in great form. He may very well play into his 40s.

Curry should age better than just about anyone because of what his elite skill is. Shooting is one of the last things a player loses as they get older.

Your point is valid. Curry would be 41 at the end of Markkanen's extension but he should still be at least All-Star level for most of that time.

Still, the Warriors trading away all their young pieces and draft control like that would make it very hard to stay relevant down the road. Having Curry and Markkanen on max contracts would limit their flexibility given the apron rules.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Because he probably figures he can guarantee his money now (more than he'd get from any team as a free agent, as he'd also be renegotiating this year's salary) and demand a trade later (doubt he cares more about some third team's asset management over his own long term financial wellbeing). But if he wants out badly enough, maybe he does just that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Jazz will not give him an extension. They want to tank hard. On the other hand, even if they do offer max, Lauri will refuse because Spurs already promised to extend him with max. Lauri wants to win.

So, Jazz wants to lose while Lauri wants to win and keeps winning multiple titles. So, he will be a spur by end of this summer.

[scott]

Because he probably figures he can guarantee his money now (more than he'd get from any team as a free agent, as he'd also be renegotiating this year's salary) and demand a trade later (doubt he cares more about some third team's asset management over his own long term financial wellbeing). But if he wants out badly enough, maybe he does just that. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

There would be no way for Markannen to renegotiate this year's salary if he gets traded to GSW. He'll have a 6-month moratorium and GSW is well over the cap. Warriors will be able to give him that 5 year max with bird rights though (same as Spurs).

If Markkanen gets traded before the season, he's pretty much not getting renegotiated, because no one will have any cap space by which to do so.

[Ariel]

There would be no way for Markannen to renegotiate this year's salary if he gets traded to GSW. He'll have a 6-month moratorium and GSW is well over the cap. Warriors will be able to give him that 5 year max with bird rights though (same as Spurs).

If Markkanen gets traded before the season, he's pretty much not getting renegotiated, because no one will have any cap space by which to do so.
Sure, but he can renegotiate with Utah in August 6 and get traded by February 6 either to GSW, Spurs, or any team. But best case scenario for the Spurs is he doesn't want to put his future in Ainge's hands and doesn't sign, and that should lower his price tag to a more reasonable number which Spurs can meet.

[LeBowen]

Sure, but he can renegotiate with Utah in August 6 and get traded by February 6 either to GSW, Spurs, or any team. But best case scenario for the Spurs is he doesn't want to put his future in Ainge's hands and doesn't sign, and that should lower his price tag to a more reasonable number which Spurs can meet.

The issue for the Warriors is that they can't wait until the deadline.
They'll be out of the playoff picture by then and would be trying to catch up with a player who knows nothing about their system.

And as already said, their cap situation is far from ideal.
I just don't see the point for them. You don't throw away FRPs when your franchise player is 36 and the player you get in return for those picks won't make you a legit contender.
Steph just had his first healthy season since 2019. If they're to compete they need to get a top6 seed which seems impossible right now.

Front office refusing to accept their roster is past it's expiration date.

[scott]

Sure, but he can renegotiate with Utah in August 6 and get traded by February 6 either to GSW, Spurs, or any team. But best case scenario for the Spurs is he doesn't want to put his future in Ainge's hands and doesn't sign, and that should lower his price tag to a more reasonable number which Spurs can meet.

Gotcha. Yes, I agree that is accurate, but I don't see this going the route of Lauri renegotiating and extending and then being traded in Feb. It could very well though! That will make for a very fascinating trade deadline, with potential new players in the mix (and current suitors maybe dropping out). Huge roll of the dice for the Jazz to do this, IMO.

[Bruno]

https://x.com/ParisBasketball/status/1812904099807175049

[Ariel]

The issue for the Warriors is that they can't wait until the deadline.
They'll be out of the playoff picture by then and would be trying to catch up with a player who knows nothing about their system.

And as already said, their cap situation is far from ideal.
I just don't see the point for them. You don't throw away FRPs when your franchise player is 36 and the player you get in return for those picks won't make you a legit contender.
Steph just had his first healthy season since 2019. If they're to compete they need to get a top6 seed which seems impossible right now.

Front office refusing to accept their roster is past it's expiration date.
Thing is, GSW find themselves in a tricky spot: as presently constructed they're a first round exit at best, changing that reality will be costly, but not doing so may be even worse. Can you imagine them wasting the last few years of Steph's prime by fighting for a play in spot? That'd be doing him dirty, and maybe giving away a couple high picks in a few years is a price they're willing to meet to avoid that. Otherwise they should just consider moving Steph to somewhere he can finish his career strong, while they get a head start rebuilding in this couple of strong drafts. But standing pat is the worst of both worlds.

[scott]

Honestly, trading Steph for a haul is probably the best long-term move for GSW, but it's not something they can actually do. It would be like the Spurs trading Duncan... just not a viable option.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wonder why Jamal Murray still hasn’t been extended. Nuggets probably trying to lowball him. They seem to be horrified by the tax and the second apron and are doing some horrible business as a result.

Obviously very unlikely for the Spurs to get him by the trade deadline or next summer but he’d be such a great fit.

[LeBowen]

Thing is, GSW find themselves in a tricky spot: as presently constructed they're a first round exit at best, changing that reality will be costly, but not doing so may be even worse.

I might be wrong, but changing that reality is way above their current best offer.

Steph/Podziemski
Melton/Payton II/Hield
Wiggins/Kuminga/Moody
Draymond/SlowMo
TJD/Looney

That's not going to cut it.
Even if they Markkanen for Kuminga and Moody.

Draymond can't play C in the West anymore.
His entire gimmick was playing against subpar bigs that couldn't stay on the floor agains their elite offense.
At this age, he either gets killed by size or lacks rim protection against teams with elite spacing that keep attacking the rim.

Markkanen would be put in a way worse position than he would be in with the Spurs.


Can you imagine them wasting the last few years of Steph's prime by fighting for a play in spot?

That's just the reality. Steph isn't even in his prime anymore, even though the numbers are still great, he's a tier below MVP candidates.
2022 was his swan song.


That'd be doing him dirty, and maybe giving away a couple high picks in a few years is a price they're willing to meet to avoid that.

Well, they should've thought of that when they tried to be greedy with two timelines gimmick and contend while also drafting new talent.
Wiseman pick just killed them long-term. Then they kept trading away assets to acquire mediocre role players. At some point someone needs to be an adult and do what's best for the team long-term.

What's even the difference between play-in struggle and first round elimination? I can't see them beating any of the top4 teams in the first round with Markkanen and they're not getting a top4 seed.

Steph is one of the best players of this generation, but he was really lucky with the teams he had and should be thankful for it. Winning four rings with the team you were drafted by happens very rarely.
Every star that played into their late 30s without moving teams eventually found themselves on the losing side of things. Except for obviously Timmy.

He's got maybe two good years left and no chance of winning another ring with the Warriors. Why would be mortgage their future for a losing cause? They can put a solid enough team around him to make the playoffs and that's it.


Otherwise they should just consider moving Steph to somewhere he can finish his career strong, while they get a head start rebuilding in this couple of strong drafts. But standing pat is the worst of both worlds.

Drafts will always be strong and it's not like picks in #13-18 range are bad.
I don't think standing pat is that bad in this case.

You've got one of the all-time greats still breaking records and selling out the arena, you got some young players in development, own your picks and after he's done you tank for a few years and are right back on track.
But trading away FRPs post-Steph would mean they have neither young players nor draft assets. Would be the worst situation in the league.
They'd overpay some third tier fake all-star who'd chuck them into 12th seed for a couple of years.

Warriors were historically one of the worst franchises in the league. They have to make sure they don't become the Bulls that went right back to that dumpster tier franchise territory after MJ retired.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

There would be no way for Markannen to renegotiate this year's salary if he gets traded to GSW. He'll have a 6-month moratorium and GSW is well over the cap. Warriors will be able to give him that 5 year max with bird rights though (same as Spurs).

If Markkanen gets traded before the season, he's pretty much not getting renegotiated, because no one will have any cap space by which to do so.

Spurs can do this! by trading away Keldon and Collins. That's 35 million. That's about the number needed to max him for the 4 years after..

[exstatic]

Playing devil's advocate... how close do we think Steph is to retiring? Yeah he's 36, but he still look in great form. He may very well play into his 40s.

Does he want to, though? Their big three is kaflooey, and I’m guessing Draymond is next. I’m sure there have been times they’ve wanted to offload him, but didn’t want to break up the trio. Not a thing, any longer. I don’t think he can improve his legacy, he’s not winning any more rings there, and he’s not getting the scoring record. What else would be worth staying past this contract?

[Mugen]

https://x.com/ParisBasketball/status/1812904099807175049

I don't speak Portugese but I'm assuming this is an announcement proclaiming Tiago's sainthood long after he has left this earth tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

i dont think Steffie has more than possibly 1 good year left in him -
followed by injuries and rehab...

he is pretty much done

[scott]

Spurs can do this! by trading away Keldon and Collins. That's 35 million. That's about the number needed to max him for the 4 years after..

If the Spurs did this, they'd have a 6 month waiting period before they could renegotiate and extend, and they'd have to meet the Salary floor, which would mean they could only take him up to about $32 or 33MM for a few months and then extend for less than the max. Lauri will be better of just waiting to get a max with Bird rights.


Does he want to, though? Their big three is kaflooey, and I’m guessing Draymond is next. I’m sure there have been times they’ve wanted to offload him, but didn’t want to break up the trio. Not a thing, any longer. I don’t think he can improve his legacy, he’s not winning any more rings there, and he’s not getting the scoring record. What else would be worth staying past this contract?

It's a great question... only Steph knows! Might just hinge on how long Kerr sticks around.

[TD 21]

i dont think Steffie has more than possibly 1 good year left in him -
followed by injuries and rehab...

he is pretty much done

Golden Boy has declined far more in recent years (closer to All-Star caliber than All-NBA at this point and well back of MVP) than the Warriors endless stooges in the media would have the masses believe.

Markkanen or not, their unprecedented luck ran out in '22 and they won't be sniffing championship contention again for the remainder of his career.

Nonetheless, he remains a cash cow and their future beyond him is uncertain, so it still makes sense to make a trade like this to pacify him and the media enough for his duration.