2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[BacktoBasics]

Holy shit that's excellent. Not even a 2nd year option?

Huge sigh of relief on that.

We don’t have vets and that’s where Paul seemed to rub people the wrong way. As a young team I think it’ll be productive.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs could still have substantial space left because its so low.

[Davidicus]

What do you do with Tre now though?

I'm guessing Blake and a little Champagnie get hurt more than Tre. Could see Pop occasionally putting Castle at the 2 alongside CP3 / Tre. Regardless of minutes, I don't think he gets moved - with CP3's 1yr deal, I think Tre takes out a pen and paper and starts taking notes like the rest of the team.

[Pauleta14]

I knew something fishy was going on. A year too late for this move. I would have loved it to ease Wemby into his rookie season. Now this is just going to take are wins total from 26 to 35 and cost us a chance at Traore, tbh. :(

As much as I agreed with you the whole season, I have to admit that it might have been a usefull/necessary handicap on Wemby.

With Paul straight away, it'd have been almost too easy, lob city style and might have delayed his progress in the post or his 1vs1 game that he HAD TO improve bc of the passing deficiency.

2nd season is the perfect timming

[Das Texan]

The better question is what happens with Blake Wesley.

[RC_Drunkford]

SpursTalk: Devin Vassell is wildly overpaid.
SpursTalk: Zach Lavine, a ballhogging chucker who his team is desperate to get rid of is a good placeholder at twice as much.

SpursTalk: Goddamn it we traded a mediocre pick for an unprotected first and a swap. What kind of deal was that??
SpursTalk: We should buy a first round pick for one hundred and fifty million dollars.

that‘s hilarious and super accurate :lol

[baseline bum]

The better question is what happens with Blake Wesley.

Shanghai Sharks

[CGD]

The better question is what happens with Blake Wesley.

He been gone dawg.
And I think Malaki isn’t too far off either

[CorrectCrusader]

Chris Paul come on down

Me preparing to root for CP3 after hating him the last 15 years
https://i.imgur.com/BPEEYkq.png

[Dejounte]

Batum next tbh

[KobesAchilles]

Can we clear up room for Klay?

[CGD]

Batum next tbh

Him or Tobias. I don’t mind either but would really hate a massive overpay for the latter

[Chinook]

Can we clear up room for Klay?

Not counting sign-and-trades, the Spurs should be able to free up almost $17 Million in cap space still. They could probably get Thompson if they wanted to.

[cjw]

The better question is what happens with Blake Wesley.

Busts like him are case in point as to why draft picks are not going to be taken by this team going forward unless they are in love with a player. Being able to add guys like CP3 because of the magnet of Wemby … who will be better than most in the draft … shows the team should go star hunting + add rotation guys around the edges.

They obviously didn’t like anyone enough at 8 to think they were a top 4 guy on a title contender, so they deferred to the future.

People were freaking out about not having any benefit from that pick … but using half of that cap space on CP3 is MUCH better for this year’s development and the future. Picks will be extremely valuable in Wemby’s prime a few to several years out when cap space will be lacking.

[RC_Drunkford]

Told y‘all we gotta overpay. Ain’t nobody offering CP0 that type of money. That‘s cool though we can spend it and keep cap space for next offseason. That‘s exactly the right deal and Paul can teach our guys where to be on the floor. I like that although that statement „he‘s eager to show he’s still an elite guard in this league“ kinda sounds like Pop plans on starting him…

[MannyIsGod]

Told y‘all we gotta overpay. Ain’t nobody offering CP0 that type of money. That‘s cool though we can spend it and keep cap space for next offseason. That‘s exactly the right deal and Paul can teach our guys where to be on the floor. I like that although that statement „he‘s eager to show he’s still an elite guard in this league“ kinda sounds like Pop plans on starting him…


Uh, He could have definitely done better than 1 year 11 million.

[onechance87]

Told y‘all we gotta overpay. Ain’t nobody offering CP0 that type of money. That‘s cool though we can spend it and keep cap space for next offseason. That‘s exactly the right deal and Paul can teach our guys where to be on the floor. I like that although that statement „he‘s eager to show he’s still an elite guard in this league“ kinda sounds like Pop plans on starting him…

we even at 40,He still most likely the better playmaker and passer.He will not only make it easier for wemby,But hopefully sochan and vassel and
johnson as well if his body can hold up.

[sfernald]

Told y‘all we gotta overpay. Ain’t nobody offering CP0 that type of money. That‘s cool though we can spend it and keep cap space for next offseason. That‘s exactly the right deal and Paul can teach our guys where to be on the floor. I like that although that statement „he‘s eager to show he’s still an elite guard in this league“ kinda sounds like Pop plans on starting him…

Oh he starting. He’s immediately our second best player!

[sfernald]

Anybody still think we are tanking next year with CP3 as our point guard?

[timtonymanu]

Anybody still think we are tanking next year with CP3 as our point guard?

He looked pretty bad for the Warriors. It feels like an Andre Miller kind of signing.

[Pauleta14]

Uh, He could have definitely done better than 1 year 11 million.

Where?

Contenders either don't have the need or the means.

Smaller teams are in rebuild mode or tank and don't need him either

[Mugen]

Wemby sonned Hartenstein in the most recent game, and fouled him out in the 4th.

Hartenstein + Chet would be a great fontcourt duo and would give the Spurs a ton of problems in the years to come tbh.

Would be a great signing for Presti per the usual tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

Anybody still think we are tanking next year with CP3 as our point guard?

we are absolutely tanking when a 40-year old is the starting PG

[onechance87]

Anybody still think we are tanking next year with CP3 as our point guard?

depends if hes got anything left in the tank.I expect pop to sit and rest him alot of games as well.Probably can
make close to a play in team,Especially since clippers,denver and warriors seem to got weaker.Also depends if our young
players step up another level this season.

[scott]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807575377457336724

Goddamit, Big Daddy signs for 3/30 and we're stuck with Karate Collins for 2/35?!?

[Mugen]

Me preparing to root for CP3 after hating him the last 15 years
https://i.imgur.com/BPEEYkq.png

:lol tbh

[Guru of Nothing]

Does CP3 have a future in coaching?

[BacktoBasics]

Eating the LaVine deal for the next two(3rd tradable expiring) years for lifted protection and an additional 1st makes even more sense now.

This is a placeholder move to buy time.

[exstatic]

Anybody still think we are tanking next year with CP3 as our point guard?

Did you pay any attention to his time in OKC.

[cool cat]

Does CP3 have a future in coaching?

I think this might be as much as a reason as any why he decided to come here. Get a year learning how to coach from Pop.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807593828766941304

[Mugen]

would be nice to get any semblance of shooting tbh

[ace3g]

welp...

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807595244067954864

[CGD]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807593828766941304

Man these woj bomb are more and more pathetic

[Robz4000]

would be nice to get any semblance of shooting tbh

BWrong sees your request and offers you a Fathead.

[Robz4000]

welp...

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807595244067954864

Guess DJJ won't be back with them.

[RC_Drunkford]

welp...

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807595244067954864

smart move tbh and a good contract too

[Chinook]

welp...

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807595244067954864

Does that mean they're letting Derrick Jones go? He's not a bad option for starting SF, even though he came down quite a bit from the height of his hype in the WCF.

[onechance87]

welp...

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807595244067954864

damn....

[3&D_TBH]

Low key think there could be a coaching track for CP3 in San Antonio too.

[Mugen]

Mavs gonna let DJJ go. Would be a nice pickup tbh.

[Seventyniner]

Low key think there could be a coaching track for CP3 in San Antonio too.

Paul is going to be at least as much a coach as a player this season.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, if the Spurs could get DJJ that'd be a great pick up tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

lol sleepy chris...

pop will bubblewrap chrissys hammys after every game and sit him out all back to backs...

[sfernald]

Klay for 17 mill would be nice.

[mo7888]

Klay for 17 mill would be nice.

I wouldn't be opposed on a short deal.

[Leetonidas]

Klay for 17 mill would be nice.

He turned down 2/48 to stay in GS so keep dreaming

[Chinook]

So back to Collins in NOP. Now it's being officially reported that SAC and NOP are looking for a third team that can provide a center to fit into an Ingram trade. So I'm thinking:

Collins and Barnes to NOP
Ingram to SAC
_______ to SA

The Kings have to send out at least $10.6 Million on top of Barnes to make the trade happen. NOP can take back another $10 Million or so in order to stay below the hard cap, but you'd have to imagine they don't want to take back more than a tiny amount to preserve flexibility.

So with all this in mind, is there a combination of players that works? Huerter is the most straight-forward matching salary, but I don't know if SAC would prefer to move him. I also don't particularly like him for the Spurs given that their guard spots are already spoken for. Lyles and McDaniels would work, but then the Spurs would have to figure out something to do with them. I mean, ideally the Spurs would want some kind of center. The upside is that that combination frees up another $4 Million or so in cap space, pushing the team back up to around $20 Million even after Paul. I just don't know what they'd use it on at this point.

[Mr. Body]

So back to Collins in NOP. Now it's being officially reported that SAC and NOP are looking for a third team that can provide a center to fit into an Ingram trade. So I'm thinking:

Collins and Barnes to NOP
Ingram to SAC
_______ to SA

The Kings have to send out at least $10.6 Million on top of Barnes to make the trade happen. NOP can take back another $10 Million or so in order to stay below the hard cap, but you'd have to imagine they don't want to take back more than a tiny amount to preserve flexibility.

So with all this in mind, is there a combination of players that works? Huerter is the most straight-forward matching salary, but I don't know if SAC would prefer to move him. I also don't particularly like him for the Spurs given that their guard spots are already spoken for. Lyles and McDaniels would work, but then the Spurs would have to figure out something to do with them. I mean, ideally the Spurs would want some kind of center. The upside is that that combination frees up another $4 Million or so in cap space, pushing the team back up to around $20 Million even after Paul. I just don't know what they'd use it on at this point.

I think the team is higher on Collins and view last year as a down year due to changing roles and never getting comfortable. Even if he's not in the long-term plans, they're not going to throw him away just because the rabble at SpursTalk has decided he sucks forever. They have no replacement, first of all. Can't imagine throwing him away and going with Mamu and Bassey as backups. That's crazy. I look forward to the anguish.

[Chinook]

I think the team is higher on Collins and view last year as a down year due to changing roles and never getting comfortable. Even if he's not in the long-term plans, they're not going to throw him away just because the rabble at SpursTalk has decided he sucks forever. They have no replacement, first of all. Can't imagine throwing him away and going with Mamu and Bassey as backups. That's crazy. I look forward to the anguish.

That they don't have a complete rotation isn't an issue in July. I think one thing we're seeing is that Collins isn't market value for the role he has in SA. I think there has been enough evidence to suggest he's better as an inside player than he is as a stretch player. With Wemby, he'll never have that role for enough minutes every game. I don't disagree that he's not likely to move. But that's not why I'm talking about these hypotheticals. I made like a dozen mock off-seasons with zero belief any would come true.

But at the same time, we're at a cross roads where the team has way more cap space than they needed if they were just going to sign Paul. I've speculated they were planning on trading for him, and I feel that speculation is better supported now than it was when I made it originally. However, whether they intended it or not, the team has sacrificed to create a nice chunk of space that should go somewhere. I wouldn't bet on it going toward guaranteeing Graham just to save him. I do think at least one other moderate move is there to be made.

[objective]

Okay, so people are out on $50 million a year for the frequently injured Lavine

But come another year ...

Trade Target

Only Begotten Nephew

Spurs will have the picks to ease the Clippers rebuild as the Prodigal Nephew returns now that his special friend Paul George abandoned him like a sad sack full of puppies

2025 Operation Nephew

Who's in? (not me :lol)

[sfernald]

https://i.postimg.cc/DZbPWBPD/IMG-0027.jpg

[Chinook]

Okay, so people are out on $50 million a year for the frequently injured Lavine

But come another year ...

Trade Target

Only Begotten Nephew

Spurs will have the picks to ease the Clippers rebuild as the Prodigal Nephew returns now that his special friend Paul George abandoned him like a sad sack full of puppies

2025 Operation Nephew

Who's in? (not me :lol)

I'm a lot less against it than the average STer. Leonard's cachet is completely gone now. Anyone who's looked into it knows the Spurs were right and actually dodged a bullet by not giving Kawhi that DPE. I basically don't bare him any ill will.

The Spurs' ceiling would shoot through the roof if he were brought on, and the floor wouldn't be too much lower -- and given that the team might be tanking anyway, a low floor might be a good thing. I just don't know if there's any way to get his body stablized. Not right -- he'll never play more than 55 games again in a season. But if they could somehow get one healthy playoff run out of him, with Wemby, Paul, Vassell and others? Maybe.

The issues, though. First is compensation. How cheaply can the Clippers let Kawhi go for given how leveraged they are? I'm not okay with giving up a bunch of picks for him -- no one's making LAC's mistake again. You can't give up Vassell for him, but matching without him is not easy. Collins, Keldon and Jones might do it. But you can't piss away your depth with Leonard and Paul on the roster. There are packages that work if LAC is reasonable, but I don't think they're interested in selling until after this upcoming season at least. Harden's deal allows them to potentially blow things up next summer, and they might be more willing to do that with them almost out of the OKC trade. But they seem far too into the sauce right now.

The bigger issue is Kawhi's attitude. He's only seemed to get more weird and awkward as he's aged, especially since he's seemed to realize he's never going to get it done again. The Clippers giving him so much latitude doesn't help matters. Leonard who comes in having made the pivot to wanting to do what it takes to win -- the way PG says he has -- would be a very interesting gamble for the Spurs or any other team with an "early window" toward being a darkhorse (think Orlando mostly but also Indy, Sacramento, maybe Memphis). But if he comes in the way he has been with LAC, I don't think he's going to help anyone.

[TeKu]

So back to Collins in NOP. Now it's being officially reported that SAC and NOP are looking for a third team that can provide a center to fit into an Ingram trade. So I'm thinking:

Collins and Barnes to NOP
Ingram to SAC
_______ to SA

The Kings have to send out at least $10.6 Million on top of Barnes to make the trade happen. NOP can take back another $10 Million or so in order to stay below the hard cap, but you'd have to imagine they don't want to take back more than a tiny amount to preserve flexibility.

So with all this in mind, is there a combination of players that works? Huerter is the most straight-forward matching salary, but I don't know if SAC would prefer to move him. I also don't particularly like him for the Spurs given that their guard spots are already spoken for. Lyles and McDaniels would work, but then the Spurs would have to figure out something to do with them. I mean, ideally the Spurs would want some kind of center. The upside is that that combination frees up another $4 Million or so in cap space, pushing the team back up to around $20 Million even after Paul. I just don't know what they'd use it on at this point.

Think we'd have to waive Graham for this to potentially work by using capspace (?) but something like:

Collins/Branham/Sac Picks to Pelicans
Ingram to Kings
Barnes/Huerter to Spurs

?

[Degoat]

So if the spurs are trying to keep there books clean for next year I imagine they’ll over pay for a mediocre Wing for a year.

[Chinook]

Think we'd have to waive Graham for this to potentially work by using capspace (?) but something like:

Collins/Branham/Sac Picks to Pelicans
Ingram to Kings
Barnes/Huerter to Spurs

?

The Pelicans want Barnes, though. The need an SF to replace Ingram. You're correct, though that this would work with space.

[objective]

I'm a lot less against it than the average STer. Leonard's cachet is completely gone now. Anyone who's looked into it knows the Spurs were right and actually dodged a bullet by not giving Kawhi that DPE. I basically don't bare him any ill will.

The Spurs' ceiling would shoot through the roof if he were brought on, and the floor wouldn't be too much lower -- and given that the team might be tanking anyway, a low floor might be a good thing. I just don't know if there's any way to get his body stablized. Not right -- he'll never play more than 55 games again in a season. But if they could somehow get one healthy playoff run out of him, with Wemby, Paul, Vassell and others? Maybe.

The issues, though. First is compensation. How cheaply can the Clippers let Kawhi go for given how leveraged they are? I'm not okay with giving up a bunch of picks for him -- no one's making LAC's mistake again. You can't give up Vassell for him, but matching without him is not easy. Collins, Keldon and Jones might do it. But you can't piss away your depth with Leonard and Paul on the roster. There are packages that work if LAC is reasonable, but I don't think they're interested in selling until after this upcoming season at least. Harden's deal allows them to potentially blow things up next summer, and they might be more willing to do that with them almost out of the OKC trade. But they seem far too into the sauce right now.

The bigger issue is Kawhi's attitude. He's only seemed to get more weird and awkward as he's aged, especially since he's seemed to realize he's never going to get it done again. The Clippers giving him so much latitude doesn't help matters. Leonard who comes in having made the pivot to wanting to do what it takes to win -- the way PG says he has -- would be a very interesting gamble for the Spurs or any other team with an "early window" toward being a darkhorse (think Orlando mostly but also Indy, Sacramento, maybe Memphis). But if he comes in the way he has been with LAC, I don't think he's going to help anyone.

It did occur to me that part of Pop doing his "This is not who we are" nonsense could have been as an olive branch for the unlikely scenario that a return could happen

After a year of missing Paul George and being a play-in or worse team, Kawhi miiiight decide to get out, and when it comes to suitors, only SA will have the kind of decent picks that LAC could use. Not the full boat, but enough to be respectable, like if the Bulls finish 11 or something, could be that and 2 other picks.

A far fetched delusion if mine but mildly entertaining

[Mr. Body]

So if the spurs are trying to keep there books clean for next year I imagine they’ll over pay for a mediocre Wing for a year.

Not sure who would do that.

Probably something like either:

1. Guarantee Graham and waive him. That's the off-season.

2. Make a trade for a one-year-contract veteran like Brook Lopez.

The wing will be staffed by Champ and Branham. They can run three-guard sets with Castle.

[TeKu]

The Pelicans want Barnes, though. The need an SF to replace Ingram. You're correct, though that this would work with space.

True, but they also need to cut payroll somehow. They have Murphy and Herb at SF which ain't bad at all.

[Mr. Body]

The Pelicans want Barnes, though. The need an SF to replace Ingram. You're correct, though that this would work with space.

Don't they have plenty of SFs with Murph and Herb? Canvassing NOPe boards they really don't want Barnes at all. They badly need a C.

[spurraider21]

Oh god I remember that one Jimmer fan that would post on here and post all his China highlights after the spurs cut him :lol
spurtacular

got banned for nazi antics in the political forum. Total meltdown after 2020 election. Biden derangement syndrome

tho he was never mentally well to begin with. after getting banned he created his own spurstalk forum where he just talks to himself :lol

[Mr. Body]

Wonder if NOP traded out Nance and lost Val without any real plan.

They did draft Yves Missi but can't depend on a rookie.

[Degoat]

Not sure who would do that.

Probably something like either:

1. Guarantee Graham and waive him. That's the off-season.

2. Make a trade for a one-year-contract veteran like Brook Lopez.

The wing will be staffed by Champ and Branham. They can run three-guard sets with Castle.

Well my initial thought process was maybe Caleb Martin, Highsmith, Derrick Jones, Beasley, or maybe Hayward would settle for a similar deal that CP3 got like a 1 year 12-14 mill range. I’d prefer a trade because I’m not really into any of the guys too much tho.

NVM on DDJ just signed with the clippers

[Chinook]

after getting banned he created his own spurstalk forum where he just talks to himself :lol


:wow What the fuck? :rollin

I had no idea. Sometimes I want to talk about some of weird-ass posters we've had here over the years. But I'm always afraid of invoking their return if I say their name too much.

[Robz4000]

spurtacular

got banned for nazi antics in the political forum. Total meltdown after 2020 election. Biden derangement syndrome

tho he was never mentally well to begin with. after getting banned he created his own spurstalk forum where he just talks to himself :lol

Bruh, that was some legit creepy stuff tbh.

[kjhip1]

DJJ to Clips 3yr/30M

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1807624605881745785

[CGD]

I'm a lot less against it than the average STer. Leonard's cachet is completely gone now. Anyone who's looked into it knows the Spurs were right and actually dodged a bullet by not giving Kawhi that DPE. I basically don't bare him any ill will.

The Spurs' ceiling would shoot through the roof if he were brought on, and the floor wouldn't be too much lower -- and given that the team might be tanking anyway, a low floor might be a good thing. I just don't know if there's any way to get his body stablized. Not right -- he'll never play more than 55 games again in a season. But if they could somehow get one healthy playoff run out of him, with Wemby, Paul, Vassell and others? Maybe.

The issues, though. First is compensation. How cheaply can the Clippers let Kawhi go for given how leveraged they are? I'm not okay with giving up a bunch of picks for him -- no one's making LAC's mistake again. You can't give up Vassell for him, but matching without him is not easy. Collins, Keldon and Jones might do it. But you can't piss away your depth with Leonard and Paul on the roster. There are packages that work if LAC is reasonable, but I don't think they're interested in selling until after this upcoming season at least. Harden's deal allows them to potentially blow things up next summer, and they might be more willing to do that with them almost out of the OKC trade. But they seem far too into the sauce right now.

The bigger issue is Kawhi's attitude. He's only seemed to get more weird and awkward as he's aged, especially since he's seemed to realize he's never going to get it done again. The Clippers giving him so much latitude doesn't help matters. Leonard who comes in having made the pivot to wanting to do what it takes to win -- the way PG says he has -- would be a very interesting gamble for the Spurs or any other team with an "early window" toward being a darkhorse (think Orlando mostly but also Indy, Sacramento, maybe Memphis). But if he comes in the way he has been with LAC, I don't think he's going to help anyone.

Who are you getting to come be the backup C though? We’re awfully thin on bigs in our right. I get all the warts with Zach (though I still like him), but who’s the backup C for the Spurs? Bassey ain’t it.

[Chinook]

It did occur to me that part of Pop doing his "This is not who we are" nonsense could have been as an olive branch for the unlikely scenario that a return could happen

I've actually thought that too. Like unless Pop's aware of some recent stuff with Leonard that I'm not that caused him to feel the need to defend him. It would be nice if Pop had some ulterior motive for his outburst, because otherwise, that will remain one of the weirdest things he's ever done.


After a year of missing Paul George and being a play-in or worse team, Kawhi miiiight decide to get out, and when it comes to suitors, only SA will have the kind of decent picks that LAC could use. Not the full boat, but enough to be respectable, like if the Bulls finish 11 or something, could be that and 2 other picks.

A far fetched delusion if mine but mildly entertaining

I don't think Kawhi would ask out. I think he's won his titles and is okay with retiring after this contract is up. But LAC may feel differently if they have the opportunity to start over with cap space and a new arena. Just as Brooklyn seems constantly able to attract stars so long as they have flexibility, the Clippers should have that option as well. But Leonard on a maxish contract actually hurts their ability to recruit. Kawhi's not really a draw at this point, and he's too injured to even be counted on to carry a support role. LAC might be better just washing their hands of him. Unfortunately for them, I think Harden opts in the likely event that they crater without George. So they probably have to wait until the summer of 2026 to really start over. But by that point, the Spurs can likely provide some decent picks to make up for the ones they would still have outstanding, and Kawhi on a rental for a year or year-and-a-half likely wouldn't break the bank.

So if a reunion were to happen, I'm thinking deadline 2026 or that following summer might make the most sense for all sides. Clippers get to rebuild; Spurs don't have to worry about spending a lot or tying up too many years of cap; Kawhi can define his legacy or go for another payday if some team is dumb enough to take it.

[Mr. Body]

Who are you getting to come be the backup C though? We’re awfully thin on bigs in our right. I get all the warts with Zach (though I still like him), but who’s the backup C for the Spurs? Bassey ain’t it.

I could see a Lopez/Collins swap. I believe they need to get under salary a bit and he doesn't quite fit what Doc wants to do. A younger guy like Collins might appeal even not on the same level.

Otherwise Collins fills a vital role. Help try to get him back to where he was at the end of the 2022-2023 season when he was pretty great.

[DPG21920]

So strange how Mavs let DJJ go for 1M a year difference

[Chinook]

Who are you getting to come be the backup C though? We’re awfully thin on bigs in our right. I get all the warts with Zach (though I still like him), but who’s the backup C for the Spurs? Bassey ain’t it.

Yes, it would've been nice for the Spurs to have made a move like this before the draft so they could've picked a guy up to at least be real depth.

It looks like Mo Wagner is still around, and he'd be a solid option. Tillman seems to have priced himself out of Boston. There are options, but those options are thinning as we speak.

[Dejounte]

https://www.si.com/nba/clippers/news/clippers-player-to-retire-after-2023-24-nba-season

so maybe no Batum

[99 Problems]

Any Batum gos?

[lefty20]

So strange how Mavs let DJJ go for 1M a year difference

Take this with a ship load of salt, but according to the Mavs sub-reddit this is a case of Klutch Sports wanting him to be in LA.

I, otoh, think Mavs simply opted to for a better shooting touch and the slightly younger player.

[MannyIsGod]

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1807607810617733202

[MannyIsGod]

Who knows if that's accurate or not, but that makes me wonder if they will pick up the Wesley/Branham options. I would imagine yes because they're cheap but if they're really trying to max out cap and flexibility then IDK.

[Dverde]

Uggh Derrick Jones Jr going to the Clips. I feel he would’ve come here if Spurs offered more than them.
.

[Dverde]

1 year deal for McNuggets to fill the salary cap and help with the tank?

[MannyIsGod]

Y'all can forget the tank stuff. Wemby on his own is going to prevent that. He's too fucking good and is going to win a lot of games just on his own.

[Chinook]

https://x.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1807607810617733202

I dunno, it's kind of like McDonald is suggesting the Spurs are going to ... punt this season.

[onechance87]

wonder if they only offering one year deals to free agents.Batum would be perfect for that,But seems hes gonna retire.
Pretty sure he will keep playing if he has a chance to win with a conteder.Would what decent free agent would take a one year deal.

[poopbox]

I dunno, it's kind of like McDonald is suggesting the Spurs are going to ... punt this season.

In the last 4 years what season haven't they punted?

[scott]

I dunno, it's kind of like McDonald is suggesting the Spurs are going to ... punt this season.

Weird, considering just a few days ago these same guys told us some magical cap space move was coming. Shocking turn of events.

[heyheymymy]

Signed CP3 now go secure Batum to round out the "shit that would been badass in 2008" offseason

[scott]

Did Rudy Gay retire? We could bring him back, then make a run Taj Gibson and Kyle Lowry and do a basketball version of Wild Hogs.

[heyheymymy]

38 year old athlete Chris Paul really putting the Silver in Silver and Black bwahaha

[onechance87]

seems chris was promised a starter at pg.

[offset formation]

Got all his money from when he was released by OKC, goes to greece for a few months, ends up in LA for all his troubles :rollin

I need to see that Primo and Porter Jr backcourt during the season :rollin

Gonna have a bunch of slap ass

[offset formation]

Honestly, isn’t that about how long he stays anywhere? He’s like the Larry Brown of players.

No he's been on 3 teams in less than 3 years

[offset formation]

I like Candace and I'm agnostic.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, but objectively, she's a compelling voice who has been right on many taboo topics over the last few years including GF and Armie H.

I'm not interested in getting into political or religious debates, but after what we lived through in 2020 and 2021, surely we've all questioned a few of the prevailing narratives.

Bless your heart.

[UnWantedTheory]

spurtacular

got banned for nazi antics in the political forum. Total meltdown after 2020 election. Biden derangement syndrome

tho he was never mentally well to begin with. after getting banned he created his own spurstalk forum where he just talks to himself :lol

You're kidding, right?

[offset formation]

Goddamit, Big Daddy signs for 3/30 and we're stuck with Karate Collins for 2/35?!?

I was begging for the Spurs to go after him like 4 years ago. Live his game and attitude and willingness to go nose first night after night.

[offset formation]

spurtacular

got banned for nazi antics in the political forum. Total meltdown after 2020 election. Biden derangement syndrome

tho he was never mentally well to begin with. after getting banned he created his own spurstalk forum where he just talks to himself :lol

cultists gonna cult

[offset formation]

Who are you getting to come be the backup C though? We’re awfully thin on bigs in our right. I get all the warts with Zach (though I still like him), but who’s the backup C for the Spurs? Bassey ain’t it.

If healthy, Bassey is it. Spur fan hasn't seen his game or his potential. Took me about 20 games in Austin to fully appreciate his skill set.

[Raven]

Who knows if that's accurate or not, but that makes me wonder if they will pick up the Wesley/Branham options. I would imagine yes because they're cheap but if they're really trying to max out cap and flexibility then IDK.
no way they let them go.

[spurraider21]

:wow What the fuck? :rollin

I had no idea. Sometimes I want to talk about some of weird-ass posters we've had here over the years. But I'm always afraid of invoking their return if I say their name too much.


You're kidding, right?
https://spurstalk.boards.net/

[Raven]

If healthy, Bassey is it. Spur fan hasn't seen his game or his potential. Took me about 20 games in Austin to fully appreciate his skill set.

Bassey has a great profile, we have seen him play impressive bball as a shotblocker. We need to see how springy his legs look, but no reason to give up on him for now.

[scott]

https://spurstalk.boards.net/

lolwtf

[scott]

Bassey has a great profile, we have seen him play impressive bball as a shotblocker. We need to see how springy his legs look, but no reason to give up on him for now.

I consider myself the president of the unofficial Bassey fan club.. but I’ll be honest I’m worried how those knees recover. What sucks is both injuries occurred during him putting in some bullshit time with the Austin Spurs because Pop was too stubborn to play him over Collins and wanted to get him some PT.

I hope he comes back stronger than ever… but I’m a little skeptical.

[heyheymymy]

I like Candace and I'm agnostic.
I don't agree with everything she has to say, but objectively, she's a compelling voice who has been right on many taboo topics over the last few years including GF and Armie H.

I'm not interested in getting into political or religious debates, but after what we lived through in 2020 and 2021, surely we've all questioned a few of the prevailing narratives.

Yeah forgive me please but isn't Candice an absolutely disingenuous right wing propagandist?

[spurraider21]

1807679217875788241

[PhantomDashCam]

Yeah forgive me please but isn't Candice an absolutely disingenuous right wing propagandist?

No apologies needed my guy. I’m sure that’s how she is perceived by the general populace and she is definitely right wing, but I’ve found her to be funny and insightful on key social issues by seeking objectivity.

Her BLM doco, ‘The Greatest Lie Ever Sold’ is fascinating and damning on many levels that it is well worth a watch for that very reason.

She just did an interview with comedian/independent Jimmy Dore on YouTube that covers a few key points of the doco if curiosity gets the better of you. :tu

Again, I don’t agree with her views on every issue but feels that’s a good thing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Btw that KCP deal with Orlando is such a steal. Surprised he didn't get a 4th year. They need a real PG in a bad way, though.

[heyheymymy]

wow PG to the 76ers that's crazy

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well after the failed trade to GS and with Clippers still unwilling to give him a 4th year, Philly was his only serious option, so no surprises there.

[heyheymymy]

she is definitely right wing, but I’ve found her to be funny and insightful on key social issues by seeking objectivity.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu1HM_DakAQHsOu.jpg

[spurraider21]

Well after the failed trade to GS and with Clippers still unwilling to give him a 4th year, Philly was his only serious option, so no surprises there.
yeah the only teams with max space to sign him outright without a S&T were the magic, pistons, and sixers (of course clippers could have but they didnt want to give him a 4 year max). the pistons were never a serious option. magic ended up signing KCP and left themselves with less than max money, probably hearing from PGs camp that it wasnt going to happen. left sixers as the only viable option

[Obstructed_View]

wow PG to the 76ers that's crazy
His abandoning Kawhi gives me the warm fuzzies.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://i.postimg.cc/DZbPWBPD/IMG-0027.jpg

I already thought that was the strategy. So we need to sign one more guy to get to the salary floor and we still got Graham. I guess Zach, Keldon and Tre are the players who could be packaged in a trade, but also most likely for players with one year left on their deal like a Brook Lopez.

[JPB]

wonder if they only offering one year deals to free agents.Batum would be perfect for that,But seems hes gonna retire.
Pretty sure he will keep playing if he has a chance to win with a conteder.Would what decent free agent would take a one year deal.

Only retiring from the french NT after to Olympics. He said he wants to play in the NBA as long as he can.

[heyheymymy]

His abandoning Kawhi gives me the warm fuzzies.

Yeah man wtf are the LA Clippers gonna do lol they are debuting a brand new $2b arena this fall and WB and PG are gone lol it's just Harden and a guy who never plays but takes a quarter of the total salary

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah man wtf are the LA Clippers gonna do lol they are debuting a brand new $2b arena this fall and WB and PG are gone lol it's just Harden and a guy who never plays but takes a quarter of the total salary

But he's in California, which was always the most important.

[PhantomDashCam]

...

:lol I get it. The seeming contradiction. The oxymoron.

Ask yourself this though - Do you have to agree with every policy/talking point of your partisanship lest you find yourself politically homeless?

I won't clog up this forum with any more of this content, just thought you were genuinely curious is all and wanted to respond.

[spurraider21]

I already thought that was the strategy. So we need to sign one more guy to get to the salary floor and we still got Graham. I guess Zach, Keldon and Tre are the players who could be packaged in a trade, but also most likely for players with one year left on their deal like a Brook Lopez.
we already are set to have a shitload of cap space next year. if the plan is 2025, we dont really need to move keldon or zollins, at least not yet.

just based on what we currently have under contract a year from now... vassell, zollins, keldon, wemby, sochan, castle, you are looking at about 93 million or so in committed cap. this assuming that options arent picked up for wesley/branhan, and factoring in that champagnie/bassey/cissoko salaries are not guaranteed. the cap this year is 140, but by next year with new media deal kicking in, the expectation is a series of 10% increases, meaning next offseason we are looking at about 154mil in salary cap, leaving us with about 60 mil to play with before moving keldon/zollins (and not factoring in next years draft picks, to be fair)

[exstatic]

It did occur to me that part of Pop doing his "This is not who we are" nonsense could have been as an olive branch for the unlikely scenario that a return could happen

After a year of missing Paul George and being a play-in or worse team, Kawhi miiiight decide to get out, and when it comes to suitors, only SA will have the kind of decent picks that LAC could use. Not the full boat, but enough to be respectable, like if the Bulls finish 11 or something, could be that and 2 other picks.

A far fetched delusion if mine but mildly entertaining

Pop’s always treated him way better than he deserves for the snake job he pulled.

I don’t want to see it, because it would give PATFO ammunition for raising his jersey. Keep in mind that
Pop’s microphone grab was last fall, 2023, and people were still booing the shit out of him. He’s hated and reviled in this town, and the jersey retirement would be a tough sell without some kind of fake redemption tour. Also, he can’t seem to make it past the month of April in a healthy state. What good is that? I don’t care if he’s an All Star, or All NBA if he can’t make it past the first round.

[RC_Drunkford]

we already are set to have a shitload of cap space next year. if the plan is 2025, we dont really need to move keldon or zollins, at least not yet.

just based on what we currently have under contract a year from now... vassell, zollins, keldon, wemby, sochan, castle, you are looking at about 93 million or so in committed cap. this assuming that options arent picked up for wesley/branhan, and factoring in that champagnie/bassey/cissoko salaries are not guaranteed. the cap this year is 140, but by next year with new media deal kicking in, the expectation is a series of 10% increases, meaning next offseason we are looking at about 154mil in salary cap, leaving us with about 60 mil to play with before moving keldon/zollins (and not factoring in next years draft picks, to be fair)

we definitely have enough cap space, I just looked it up. But other than Naz Reid, Derrick White, Lauri Markkanen and Myles Turner that class is pretty meh too. Most of those 4 will likely sign an extension this season. We will have to make some trades soon to really speed up the process.

[LeBowen]

HOW QUICKLY THINGS CHANGE IN THE NBA… that has been my saying for a long time.

We’re witnessing right now some top teams get weakened big time.

This is why I scoff at people making predictions on how every team will remain strong for the upcoming year (was that you, my buddy LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) ?) when shit like this happens every offseason. They say it as if the Spurs won’t ever climb into a top 8 Western team because of this fallacy.

Really?
I was just predicitng which teams will remaing garbage.
For a year now I've been saying that a lot of West teams are close to their expiration date and that 2025 playoffs will be their last chance.



I kind of don't like Sixers going for PG13.
They would've been better off with elite role players who can actually stay healthy than a 34 year old on a 4 year deal.

[spurraider21]

he might not be a mentor from a personality standpoint as being the likeable leader, but you can bet your ass that

a) he demands perfection from teammates
b) will hold players accountable
c) show them how to be consummate pro's by example

if we draft a PG, paul could be the one to show them the ropes

as mr body said, the suns style of play matured due to his presence. so did OKC's when he went there. i dont know that he'd want to play for a team like the spurs as opposed to trying to ring chase w/ a team like denver
from late may :tu

as someone who has had doubts about castle being a real full time point guard, i think being tutored by a great is going to do wonders for him as opposed to just throwing him out there the way they did with sochan with no real guardrails. castle probably plays more wing early on, and will undoubtedly get some ball handling duties as part of that. the more aptitude he shows for it, he can start displacing Tre as the primary backup as well.

could have a rotation like

CP3 - 27 minutes
Tre - 13 minutes
Castle - 30 minutes (8 at PG, 22 at wing)

the better Castle performs at point, the more you move his minutes over into the PG tally at the expense of Tre. if Castle is able to show that he can really play the position, then next season he is the presumptive starter, and we then draft a backup instead of paying Tre to be a very expensive backup.

if not, you are kind of back at square one and need to bring back Tre, and Castle keeps working as more of an Iguodala type playmaking wing

[Ice009]

Only retiring from the french NT after to Olympics. He said he wants to play in the NBA as long as he can.

Good to hear. Do you think he'd be interested in playing for the Spurs, or do you think he'd want to play for a contending team? I've liked him for a long time. I would have loved to have had him on the Spurs years ago. I think he'd me an AWSOME vet to add to the team. He was actually my first choice of vets to add to help mentor the young guys. Chris Paul I was interested in, but because I never really liked Paul due to him being a rival against the Spurs in previous playoff battles, he wasn't at the top of my list. I'm good with CP, as long as it doesn't affect Stephon's progress or chance to play PG minutes this upcoming season.

Also, great signing from the Sixers. They're really going to be a legit team in the East now. I wonder what Milwaukee will do as Philadelphia has leapt in front of them now too. Who do you guys rate as the top teams in the east, and where would you put Philly? I'd maybe put them above the Knicks or on equal footing to NY, and just under Boston.

[lefty20]

Did NBA TV just leave Vassell off the Spurs depth chart?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRXtUxaa8AAjvBy?format=jpg&name=large

Fire the person who made this shite, tbh.

[Ice009]

Pop’s always treated him way better than he deserves for the snake job he pulled.

I don’t want to see it, because it would give PATFO ammunition for raising his jersey. Keep in mind that
Pop’s microphone grab was last fall, 2023, and people were still booing the shit out of him. He’s hated and reviled in this town, and the jersey retirement would be a tough sell without some kind of fake redemption tour. Also, he can’t seem to make it past the month of April in a healthy state. What good is that? I don’t care if he’s an All Star, or All NBA if he can’t make it past the first round.

I still am trying to figure out what Pop was doing with addressing the crowd. Surely it's a personal thing towards Kawhi, right? Surely he doesn't think fans shouldn't boo any players, right?

As for Kawhi coming back, I would have taken him back a couple of years ago, but now, I don't know. Any idea if his mom still lives in SA, or did she eventually move back to San Diego?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Back to KCP. I still don't get it. Denver literally chose not to pay him a very reasonable contract because they seem shit scared of the 2nd apron while their team is top 3 in championship odds. They also could have made other moves to get under the 2nd apron. Must be infuriating for Denver fans, and hopefully someday when the Spurs have to make the same choice they're not going to be cheap like that.

[playbonner15]

Btw that KCP deal with Orlando is such a steal. Surprised he didn't get a 4th year. They need a real PG in a bad way, though.

So CP3 will eventually be traded to the Magic for cash :lol

[Ariel]

Whispers are that he's roundly disliked, a religious freak Candace Owens-fan type.
I don't know if that is the case but there's definitely something wrong with Hayward. Seeing how Presti went out of his way to publicly acknowledge his mistake in trading for him, you know something happened there. Definitely not mentor material.

[cjw]

The Thunder are the big winners. They still own swap rights for the Clippers this year and the first next year. They made some other trades so hard to remember exactly what protections are around these all.

This is why trading the 8th pick in a bad draft for two lotto tickets in the future is worth it.

[Pauleta14]

https://spurstalk.boards.net/

Thak you for that... :lol

"Last updated "Spurtacular is a faggot by spermtacular" :lmao

[Pauleta14]

I'm surprised I haven't seen it posted here yet...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179

[CGD]

I'm surprised I haven't seen it posted here yet...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179

Jesus, the pant jizzing that’s about to happen in here is going to be ridiculous

[Spurs Brazil]

I'm surprised I haven't seen it posted here yet...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807751310663377179

They will want all the Hawks picks and more.

[Pauleta14]

Jesus, the pant jizzing that’s about to happen in here is going to be ridiculous

On one side seing okc not in the race for him makes me optimistic

On the other one I still can't see PATFO commiting to give him +200M next summer.

[ginobilized]

I have seen the future
it has a title

The Nordic Finnishing School of Lauri Markkanen

[Pauleta14]

They will want all the Hawks picks and more.

Yep

And that would be so stupid and put Spurs hostage and having to pay him whatever he asks next summer like NY this summer with OG

Maybe BW is THAT of a talented negociator that he'll only need the MIN 30'31', CHI 25' and CHA 25' ? Who knows? :lol

[Mr. Body]

Markkanen is on the last year of his deal and is due a huge payday. I wouldn't expect him to re-sign with the Jazz if they're perpetually rebuilding.

While I'm sure the Spurs have interest, he is 27 already and will cost a wad. Of course he would be nice to have, but cost to acquire, cost in salary, even question about fit, meld with that different timeline. I could see it, and it's good to check on prices, but I'm sure they're also making sure prices for competitors stay high. Gut says OKC will get him. Maybe this ain't that bad, given that he's so poor defensively.

[Dejounte]

Yep

And that would be so stupid and put Spurs hostage and having to pay him whatever he asks next summer like NY this summer with OG

Maybe BW is THAT of a talented negociator that he'll only need the MIN 30'31', CHI 25' and CHA 25' ? Who knows? :lol

Markannen is a better player than OG, IMO so I don’t mind paying him.

[LeBowen]

Hartenstein to OKC, 87/3.

Damn, I didn't expect him to accept a short deal, but that's a lot of money for someone with his skillset.
OKC making all the right moves, they get better for the upcoming few years and still have long-term flexibility they'll need to extend their core players.

[Mugen]

Good god BWrong trading with Ainge, no thanks :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

there ain't too many teams with a gang of first round picks that they can trade, especially not unprotected ones from a team that's as bad as the Hawks. There also aren't many teams with a lot of cap space. In an ideal scenario we keep the 25 picks and send out other draft picks. Lauri signe for a little less than the max and we can frontload his contract. I'm not sure anybody would be willing or able to give him the full max.

[Mugen]

What an offseason for Presti, man.

I'd love for the Spurs to one day sniff the competence of OKC at some point in the future. Maybe when the old man and BWrong are gone tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

OKC just gave a shitload of money to Hartenstien so forget about them for LM.

[Pauleta14]

Markannen is a better player than OG, IMO so I don’t mind paying him.

I was just referring to the fact that Spurs would be held hostages by whatever investment they'd make for him. Can't let him go free = no leverage

Just imagine if he's a bad fit for whatever reason... It's a massive risk that I have a hard time seing PATFO take. Let's see...

[Mugen]

I can't believe Zollins finessed 17mil per year from these bums :lol

[Leetonidas]

Spurs should go in for Lauri tbh. They would be a playoff team next season. Everything besides Hawks 2025 pick should be on the table

[NASpurs]

We won't have any picks this decade if we trade for Markannen :lol

[LeBowen]

Lauri Markkanen is looking for a four year max extension. However, the CBA only allows raises in extensions to be 40% over the last year of his contract. The salary cap in 2025-2026 is likely to be $155.1m so a max for a less than 10 year player is $46.53m starting in year 1. Therefore, a player must be making $33.24m or more in 2024-2025 to sign a max extension for 2025-2026.



Lauri Markkanen is set to make 18.044m next year. However, after Lauri's contract hits three years old, whoever has him under contract can renegotiate and extend him. This involves the team using their own salary cap space to give a raise to a player for their current year and then extending him for future years. The Jazz did this last year with Clarkson though for different reasons. To renegotiate and extend Markkanen, the Jazz or whoever traded for Markkanen must give him a $15.2m raise this year, using their cap space.



Now we get into the timing issues caused by the CBA. If you trade for a player, you can't extend them for at least six months. If you extend a player, you cannot trade them for at least six months. You must hit the salary floor by mid October. Lauri signed his current contract August 27th 2021. The trade deadline is early February 2025.



The salary floor is 90% of the cap, meaning that a team can only pass mid October with $14.1m in cap space or less.




So let's go through a few scenarios here.




Jazz renegotiate and extend Markkanen. In this scenario, the Jazz cannot have renegotiated and extended him until August 27th, 2024 or later. This means they could not trade Markkanen until February 27th, 2025... Which is after the trade deadline.



The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team with cap space that promises to renegotiate and extend him. In this scenario, a team could hypothetically offer Markkanen a $14.1m raise this year and a near max contract. Over the five years, this would lose Markkanen around $8m compared to a renegotiation and max so Markkanen's agent would realistically try to harm trade talks unless an absolutely perfect situation came up. And what teams could realistically hold this much cap space available for renegotiation and extending? It's mostly just the Pistons and Spurs so Markkanen's agent would probably tell the Pistons that he would rather test free agency because the Pistons are so awful (and this is actually pretty reasonable for a player to say as well, lol). This narrows Markkanen's market and reduces his trade value.



The Jazz do not renegotiate and extend Markkanen and try to trade him to a team that will not renegotiate and extend him. This move would cost Markkanen at least $15m and would cause a huge amount of risk for Markkanen if he got injured during next season so he and agent would try to sabotage any trade talks to non ideal situations by implying that he could leave in free agency. I would say this narrows down his market to basically just title contenders where he would fit well and get a good amount of shots.




So we're looking at a very narrow trade market and that lowers the odds dramatically that a team will want to roll the dice and go all-in with Markkanen, making the odds of trading him much lower.
Sexton and Kessler also have depressed trade value (Sexton due to his seasons before this not being great and Kessler for having a disappointing second year) so they're unlikely to be traded as well though they could be traded at the deadline if they have a great year. These are our three best players so it's hard to see any tanking moves being plausible.





Once again I'm posting the Jazz fan's view on things and Markkanen's somewhat complicated situation.
Removed the bit about potential suitors since OKC, Sixers and Nets had different plans.

[Leetonidas]

Jalen Smith to the Bulls. Sorry ex :lol

[Manu20]

We won't have any picks this decade if we trade for Markannen :lol

No worries we have the 2031 pick from the Wolves!

Getting Lauri would be a dream tho! I'm pretty confident he and Wemby would compliment each other very well...Just stay with the 2025 Hawks pick.

[Sugus]

https://spurstalk.boards.net/

Holy shit, you weren't kidding :lmao

That's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. Legit no replies at all that aren't from himself, sometimes months apart. Deranged stuff.

[RC_Drunkford]

Once again I'm posting the Jazz fan's view on things and Markkanen's somewhat complicated situation.
Removed the bit about potential suitors since OKC, Sixers and Nets had different plans.

so hypothetically speaking: if we trade for him, could we then renegotiate his contract and do a wink-wink type of extension where he does not get the full max due to the Spurs paying him like 15 million more this season than he should usually get? And then just frontload the extension? So you pay him 33 million instead of 18 this season and then structure the contract like 46, 46, 43, 40?

[LeBowen]

Btw, since we're talking about picks again.

2022: Sochan, Branham, Wesley
2021: Primo
2020: Vassell
2019: Samanic, Keldon

I'd argue that Markkanen is more valuable than 7 players we drafted in 2019-2022.
I know it's whataboutism and who knows what can happen in future drafts, but Devin is the only player out of those 7 picks who looks like he'd surely be a contributor on a legit playoff team.
Don't forget that we just traded away a lottery pick.
I'd rather have an actual all-star than a stash of 2030s FRPs.


so hypothetically speaking: if we trade for him, could we then renegotiate his contract and do a wink-wink type of extension where he does not get the full max due to the Spurs paying him like 15 million more this season than he should usually get? And then just frontload the extension? So you pay him 33 million instead of 18 this season and then structure the contract like 46, 46, 43, 40?

I'm not an expert, but it should be possible.
Someone who's more into CBA stuff should confirm it.

That kind of contract would be a steal.

[Leetonidas]

Tobias Harris to Detroit. Saw that coming

[MannyIsGod]

I can't believe Zollins finessed 17mil per year from these bums :lol

The Spurs have so many picks they HAVE to start using them as trade assets. What's the point of getting all these picks if you're just going to sit on them? They can send away 3-4 picks in a trade for LM and still have plenty left.

[NASpurs]

Btw, since we're talking about picks again.

2022: Sochan, Branham, Wesley
2021: Primo
2020: Vassell
2019: Samanic, Keldon

I'd argue that Markkanen is more valuable than 7 players we drafted in 2019-2022.
I know it's whataboutism and who knows what can happen in future drafts, but Devin is the only player out of those 7 picks who looks like he'd surely be a contributor on a legit playoff team.
Don't forget that we just traded away a lottery pick.
I'd rather have an actual all-star than a stash of 2030s FRPs.



I'm not an expert, but it should be possible.
Someone who's more into CBA stuff should confirm it.

That kind of contract would be a steal.

This is true, Lauri is a known commodity unlike our unknown future capital especially with the way this FO has been drafting the past few years.

Ok i give Ainge consent to bend over Wrong.

[LeBowen]

Hartenstein’s deal is frontloaded and the final year will not be guaranteed, source tells The Post.

Presti running circles around the entire league.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs also tried to get Lauri from Chicago in the DeRozan trade so their interest isn't surprising. Do it Wright

[timtonymanu]

Markannen would be great. That means he going to the Warriors. :lol

[Mugen]

The thought of what Ainge would do to BWrong with a guy on an expiring like Markkanen is legit terrifying tbh

[Dejounte]

The Spurs only competitor for Lauri are the Warriors? They can get him if they want him then.

[Mr. Body]

Presti running circles around the entire league.

All he did was sign a center for more than that center's team could give him. His other move was coughing up a recent high draft pick for one year of a good but aging defensive guard. These are both great moves, but most of his legend still comes from Kawhi Leonard forcing LAC to trade for Paul George. The way you all present your asses for him like baboons is ridiculous. Presti sniffers.

[LeBowen]

All he did was sign a center for more than that center's team could give him. His other move was coughing up a recent high draft pick for one year of a good but aging defensive guard. These are both great moves, but most of his legend still comes from Kawhi Leonard forcing LAC to trade for Paul George. The way you all present your asses for him like baboons is ridiculous. Presti sniffers.

Obviously can't get into the same discussion with all-time great GMs until his team wins something, but you can't deny he's been doing great.
The most important thing is that he's constantly trying to improve his team, despite them being in arguably the worst location in the league.

Yes, he got lucky with nephew wanting PG, but let's not forget how bad was OKC's situation after losing KD for free.
They took no time to recover, compared to Spurs that still wouldn't have recovery from nephew's antics if not for lottery luck.

It's going to be interesting to see how he deals with three max extensions coming up, but other than that, he's doing an amazing job in a shit location.

[NASpurs]

All he did was sign a center for more than that center's team could give him. His other move was coughing up a recent high draft pick for one year of a good but aging defensive guard. These are both great moves, but most of his legend still comes from Kawhi Leonard forcing LAC to trade for Paul George. The way you all present your asses for him like baboons is ridiculous. Presti sniffers.
You should check this hot new forum out:

https://spurstalk.boards.net/

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs get:

Markkanen

Jazz get:

Collins
2025 Chicago 1st
2025 Hornets 1st
2026 Spurs 1st (top-3 protected)
2031 Wolves 1st
+any number of 2nd rounders


Get it done

[Dverde]

I think you take 2025 ours and ATL picks off the table, but I’m down with trading a bunch of other picks for Lauri especially if they take Zollins and or Keldon off our hands. Mormons would love Zollins and his zippy haircuts.

[RC_Drunkford]

so hypothetically speaking: if we trade for him, could we then renegotiate his contract and do a wink-wink type of extension where he does not get the full max due to the Spurs paying him like 15 million more this season than he should usually get? And then just frontload the extension? So you pay him 33 million instead of 18 this season and then structure the contract like 46, 46, 43, 40?
Chinook enlighten us

[Rosewood]

Btw, since we're talking about picks again.

2022: Sochan, Branham, Wesley
2021: Primo
2020: Vassell
2019: Samanic, Keldon Yikes this is disheartening. I like Sochan and Vassell but jesus… I wonder if this is a typical four year draft span for most franchises though? This does not make me excited for our future drafts :lol

[baseline bum]

Markkanen is on the last year of his deal and is due a huge payday. I wouldn't expect him to re-sign with the Jazz if they're perpetually rebuilding.

While I'm sure the Spurs have interest, he is 27 already and will cost a wad. Of course he would be nice to have, but cost to acquire, cost in salary, even question about fit, meld with that different timeline. I could see it, and it's good to check on prices, but I'm sure they're also making sure prices for competitors stay high. Gut says OKC will get him. Maybe this ain't that bad, given that he's so poor defensively.

Timeline is fine for him but I'd put the 25 Atlanta pick off limits.

[BacktoBasics]

I’m not sure I understand the Lauri fit. Both him and Wemby tend to work between the free throw and 3pt line. Lauri isn’t a perimeter or post defender.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs get:

Markkanen

Jazz get:

Collins
2025 Chicago 1st
2025 Hornets 1st
2026 Spurs 1st (top-3 protected)
2031 Wolves 1st
+any number of 2nd rounders


Get it done

imo there's no way Ainge trades Markkanen to the Spurs without getting at least two of the Hawks' picks/swaps, and probably all three.

[Dverde]

Markannen would be great. That means he going to the Warriors. :lol

Watch the warriors offer up more than the pearl clutching Spurs. I would think Keldon is better asset than Wiggins. Warriors will probably have to include Kuminga to get it done. Spurs can outbid them but will they hmmm

[baseline bum]

Spurs get:

Markkanen

Jazz get:

Collins
2025 Chicago 1st
2025 Hornets 1st
2026 Spurs 1st (top-3 protected)
2031 Wolves 1st
+any number of 2nd rounders


Get it done

I think you'd have to change that Hornets fake first to the Spurs 2030 with the DAL+MIN swaps. I'd probably want to protect the 2026 top 4 since the Spurs have that swap with Atlanta but would be willing to give it unprotected if it's between that or the 2025 ATL pick.

[Mugen]

You should check this hot new forum out:

https://spurstalk.boards.net/

:lol

[Leetonidas]

I’m not sure I understand the Lauri fit. Both him and Wemby tend to work between the free throw and 3pt line. Lauri isn’t a perimeter or post defender.

He's a stretch 4. Victor is a 5 who, while he has perimeter skills, does the most damage inside the paint. Having an elite floor spacer next to Wemby with CP running the show would unlock our offense imo

[Dverde]

imo there's no way Ainge trades Markkanen to the Spurs without getting at least two of the Hawks' picks/swaps, and probably all three.

Spurs should know what the Warriors can offer. We shouldn’t be bidding with themselves like the Timberwolves for Gobert. No way it’s worth giving up the whole ATL bag.

[Mugen]

Keldon would definitely be involved in a Markannen trade.

If the Warriors were willing to part with Kuminga then I think their offer would trump any of the Spurs ones. Future GSW picks after Steph is gone would be juicy AF tbh.

[poopbox]

What an offseason for Presti, man.

I'd love for the Spurs to one day sniff the competence of OKC at some point in the future. Maybe when the old man and BWrong are gone tbh.

Yeah people on here thinking we are similar to OKC in any way shape or form forget that we have the trash in our front office and OKC has Presti who is arguably the best GM in the league.

He lost both his franchise players, built the team back up from nothing with picks, and is now paying the players he should pay to improve his team. And he doing all of this in fucking Oklahoma which is one of the least desirable places to be in the US. If he ever went to a big market it would be over for the league, he'd have the 10 of the top 25 players lining up to play for him.

Getting rid of Giddey WHILE not giving up a draft pick damn near gets him GM of the year nod.

I'm not convinced he doesn't swoop in on these Lauri talks and get him to :lol

[Leetonidas]

I think you'd have to change that Hornets fake first to the Spurs 2030 with the DAL+MIN swaps. I'd probably want to protect the 2026 top 4 since the Spurs have that swap with Atlanta but would be willing to give it unprotected if it's between that or the 2025 ATL pick.

As long as we keep both 2025 picks I'm good with trading them whatever combo of picks they want tbh

[Degoat]

Utah loses some leverage with Markkanen becoming a free agent soon, plus by all accounts Utah wants to be bad next year. I don’t love the Markkanen fit tho

[Dverde]

Keldon would definitely be involved in a Markannen trade.

If the Warriors were willing to part with Kuminga then I think their offer would trump any of the Spurs ones. Future GSW picks after Steph is gone would be juicy AF tbh.

I would think Keldon + 2 unprotected picks is better than Kuminga and one unprotected pick. Keldon also known as a good teammate whose inner circle doesn’t whine about touches on social media. Eye of the beholder tho

[Baam]

Markkanen makes the offense/spacing nuclear. A pass first PG with Wemby Markkanen stretching the floor is stupid. You can't wait 5 years to do something with someone as good as Wemby.

[poopbox]

Spurs should know what the Warriors can offer. We shouldn’t be bidding with themselves like the Timberwolves for Gobert. No way it’s worth giving up the whole ATL bag.

Well the Timberwolves just made the Conference Finals and they suckered a dumb team into drafting the exact type they need for them, so I think they are doing ok.

When you look across the board at the teams who actually win basketball games and compete for titles...they all have one thing in common. They all have at least one player they got as an overpay in either salary or what they had to give up to give up in a trade.

The Hawks missed the playoffs and got the number 1 pick this year. They were also 1 more win away from making the playoffs and getting the 16th pick this year.

[Dejounte]

Markkanen makes the offense/spacing nuclear. A pass first PG with Wemby Markkanen stretching the floor is stupid. You can't wait 5 years to do something with someone as good as Wemby.

It’s a supercharged version of Towns and Gobert.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Eubanks 2 years 10 million to the Jazz.

[Mugen]

Yeah people on here thinking we are similar to OKC in any way shape or form forget that we have the trash in our front office and OKC has Presti who is arguably the best GM in the league.

He lost both his franchise players, built the team back up from nothing with picks, and is now paying the players he should pay to improve his team. And he doing all of this in fucking Oklahoma which is one of the least desirable places to be in the US. If he ever went to a big market it would be over for the league, he'd have the 10 of the top 25 players lining up to play for him.

Getting rid of Giddey WHILE not giving up a draft pick damn near gets him GM of the year nod.

I'm not convinced he doesn't swoop in on these Lauri talks and get him to :lol

Pretty much the only people on the board that don't give Presti his followers are the PATFO Sniffers.

BWrong & Co aren't even on the same stratoshphere as him tbh. This aint' your Timmy era Spurs FO :lol

[Chinook]

Chinook enlighten us

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

[Mugen]

I would think Keldon + 2 unprotected picks is better than Kuminga and one unprotected pick. Keldon also known as a good teammate whose inner circle doesn’t whine about touches on social media. Eye of the beholder tho

Kuminga is a significantly better prospect than Keldon. Not even sure Keldon would be considered a prospect anymore. His ceiling is pretty much serviceable bench player.

Depends on the picks the Spurs are offering. Their best assets are the ATL picks and even those aren't as good as a GSW pick from 2028 - 2031 from when Steph is gone tbh.

I'd assume Sochan would also be on the table which bridges the gap a smidge I'd say.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The thought of what Ainge would do to BWrong with a guy on an expiring like Markkanen is legit terrifying tbh



Ok i give Ainge consent to bend over Wrong.

Wait, if we're talking about Brian Wright, why use Ainge's name and not the actual GM for the Jazz?

[baseline bum]

Yeah people on here thinking we are similar to OKC in any way shape or form forget that we have the trash in our front office and OKC has Presti who is arguably the best GM in the league.

He lost both his franchise players, built the team back up from nothing with picks, and is now paying the players he should pay to improve his team. And he doing all of this in fucking Oklahoma which is one of the least desirable places to be in the US. If he ever went to a big market it would be over for the league, he'd have the 10 of the top 25 players lining up to play for him.

Getting rid of Giddey WHILE not giving up a draft pick damn near gets him GM of the year nod.

I'm not convinced he doesn't swoop in on these Lauri talks and get him to :lol

If I would have known RC was going to kick himself upstairs and hand the reigns to a nobody in ten years I would have just fired him in 2007 and kept Presti.

[Mr. Body]

Pretty much the only people on the board that don't give Presti his followers are the PATFO Sniffers.

BWrong & Co aren't even on the same stratoshphere as him tbh. This aint' your Timmy era Spurs FO :lol

Falling to your knees every chance you get in front of Presti's dropping trousers. Just go be a Thunder fan, you dork.

[Chinook]

Keldon would definitely be involved in a Markannen trade.

If the Warriors were willing to part with Kuminga then I think their offer would trump any of the Spurs ones. Future GSW picks after Steph is gone would be juicy AF tbh.

I actually don't think Keldon would be involved. The value just isn't there for either team.

[Mr. Body]

Presti drafted three future MVPs and still couldn't get to the Finals more than once.

[SpursDynasty85]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

Wouldn't you offer Spurs picks instead of the unprotected ATL ones?

[poopbox]

I actually don't think Keldon would be involved. The value just isn't there for either team.

I would think Keldon would hold tremendous value for a team about to blow it up and tank, and probably wanting to do that for as cheaply as possible, which Keldon's declining contract helps with

[DAF86]

Once again I'm posting the Jazz fan's view on things and Markkanen's somewhat complicated situation.
Removed the bit about potential suitors since OKC, Sixers and Nets had different plans.

It seems like the only trade possibility that makes sense for Lauri are the Spurs.

[poopbox]

Presti drafted three future MVPs and still couldn't get to the Finals more than once.

How many MVP's has Brian Wright drafted?

How many Finals appearances do teams he constructed have?

[Chinook]

I would think Keldon would hold tremendous value for a team about to blow it up and tank, and probably wanting to do that for as cheaply as possible, which Keldon's declining contract helps with

He wouldn't hold nearly the value Sochan and Jones would.

[DAF86]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

That's way too much. The Jazz don't have any leverage to be asking for any of the Hawks' picks.

Hornets pick, Bulls pick, Wolves' pick and Spurs 27 is the absolute most I would give up for a player that isn't even an all-star. If the Jazz aren't interested then they can lose Markkanen for nothing in free agency.

[LeBowen]

That's way too much. The Jazz don't have any leverage to be asking for any of the Hawks' picks.

Hornets pick, Bulls pick, Wolves' pick and Spurs 27 is the absolute most I would give up for a player that isn't even an all-star. If the Jazz aren't interested then they can lose Markkanen for nothing in free agency.

I also suggested those picks if it was Collins going the other way.
If they want one more, I'd do both '25 and '27, but worse of SAS/ATL.
If they want Jeremy, they can't have unprotected SAS '27.

[Mugen]

Falling to your knees every chance you get in front of Presti's dropping trousers. Just go be a Thunder fan, you dork.


Presti drafted three future MVPs and still couldn't get to the Finals more than once.

Textbook example of a boomer PATFO sniffer still living 10 years in the past :lol

[LeBowen]

Textbook example of a boomer PATFO sniffer still living 10 years in the past :lol

To me one of the best qualities a GM can have is getting out of a bad situation.
How's it Presti's fault that OKC ownership refused to pay Harden?
Or that KD kept choking as the first option?

GMs build the rosters, they can't suit up and play.

Marks got KD and Kyrie, indulged all their wishes, they still fucked him over and he still managed to pivot and get most of the assets back.
If we ended up with Scoot, right now we'd be talking about if it's better to move the team to Vegas or Seattle.

[Spurs9]

Good to see we dodged getting KCP.

[Mugen]

I actually don't think Keldon would be involved. The value just isn't there for either team.

Disagree. Keldon would be a "young piece" they get back and try to sell the Jazz fans tbh.

I could see Sochan being traded but he seems like the same archetype as Taylor Hendricks.

I think it'd be Keldon and one or two of the ATL picks if they wanted to be competitive. People need to stop including the Charlotte '25 1st as if it has any actual value tbh :lol

[Dverde]

GSW had a newish GM who will want to make a splash especially losing Klay. I think it comes down to Kuminga. They have to want to include him and Utah has to see him as a pillar to build a contender. If no Kuminga than the Spurs better get the trade.

[SpursDynasty85]

To me one of the best qualities a GM can have is getting out of a bad situation.
How's it Presti's fault that OKC ownership refused to pay Harden?
Or that KD kept choking as the first option?

GMs build the rosters, they can't suit up and play.

Marks got KD and Kyrie, indulged all their wishes, they still fucked him over and he still managed to pivot and get most of the assets back.
If we ended up with Scoot, right now we'd be talking about if it's better to move the team to Vegas or Seattle.

I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense but just wanted to add one more detail to this convo. I do recall the situation a bit and it seemed that Presti had a choice of keeping 3 of 4 (Harden, Westbrook, KD, and Ibaka). He thought letting Harden go was best because Harden also wanted to be the MAN but he would've resigned still had he gotten his money.

[Chinook]

That's way too much. The Jazz don't have any leverage to be asking for any of the Hawks' picks.

Hornets pick, Bulls pick, Wolves' pick and Spurs 27 is the absolute most I would give up for a player that isn't even an all-star. If the Jazz aren't interested then they can lose Markkanen for nothing in free agency.

That's less than the Knicks got for Bridges, who doesn't have Mark's upside. The Jazz can just renegotiate and extend Mark themselves in August and then try again next year. They aren't under the gun.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

I wouldn't trade Sochan nor the ATL 25. Spurs can also offer some swaps like the 2030 one I'd assume. Utah is losing a lot of leverage because not a lot of teams own draft picks and have cap space. Frontloading the contract would be a key thing to me.

[Mr. Body]

I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense but just wanted to add one more detail to this convo. I do recall the situation a bit and it seemed that Presti had a choice of keeping 3 of 4 (Harden, Westbrook, KD, and Ibaka). He thought letting Harden go was best because Harden also wanted to be the MAN but he would've resigned still had he gotten his money.

Presti has a huge number of fuck ups. Gifting Dallas Lively is among them. Gifting Houston Sengun is one of them. He's nailed his top lotto picks. He's gotten good role players. But he's sitting on a reputation largely based on snaring picks, a ton of them coming from Kawhi himself, and SGA, who was a throw-in. Jalen Williams was a great pick-up. He fell into Chet and didn't mess that pick up.

They'll probably win a championship, but their first foray into the playoffs this year was much, much worse than people think. They wrecked an injured, bad team, then gave up little resistance to a Dallas team rebuilding on the fly. It's a team with some real problems still, and the signing of Hartenstein will help, but they still have more to figure out. In the end, without that SGA gift they'd still be treading water.

[LeBowen]

That's less than the Knicks got for Bridges, who doesn't have Mark's upside. The Jazz can just renegotiate and extend Mark themselves in August and then try again next year. They aren't under the gun.

They're not under the gun, but they're also not in that great of a situation.
Markkanen already said he's not going to accept another season of being uncompetitive after they shut him down two years in a row only to get a #10 pick in one of the worst drafts ever.
He has no reason to sign an extension before he sees the direction Ainge takes.
If they don't get at least one more proven player, he's got no reason to sign an extension and be stuck there for an entire season.

With two upcoming drafts projected to be really strong, I'm pretty sure Ainge wants to tank.
As good as Markkanen is, he's not a #1 option if you actually want to win it all.
And Jazz aren't getting a true #1 option via trade or FA.

I'd look at it this way.
They got 9 FRPs, 3 swaps, Sexton and Markkanen for Gobert and Mitchell.
They can now extend it to 12 or 13 FRPs and Sexton, with just one of those picks being used so far (Walker Kessler).

I'd say that's one of the best hauls ever for a team that failed to contend.

[Mr. Body]

That's less than the Knicks got for Bridges, who doesn't have Mark's upside. The Jazz can just renegotiate and extend Mark themselves in August and then try again next year. They aren't under the gun.

Mikal Bridges has much more utilty than Markkanen, who is a no-defense shooter.

[cjw]

imo there's no way Ainge trades Markkanen to the Spurs without getting at least two of the Hawks' picks/swaps, and probably all three.

Then you tell him to try his luck getting a better package elsewhere. One doesn’t exist outside of the Thunder who don’t really have the fit with commitments to Holmgren & Hartenstein.

The Spurs can be patient and wait for him to hit the open market. Utah will come dialing back PATFO if they have another trade, that the Spurs will be able to beat.

[Dverde]

The insider to the insiders. He is the source.
https://x.com/ericzhangnba/status/1807779729959002445?s=46

[Ariel]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.
Wild overpay for a one time all star on an expiring contract. If you compare it with the Mikal Bridges trade, it's almost the same picks but wildly more promising. Spurs wouldn't be a contender after that trade anyway. Better to hold if that's the price tag.

[cd98]

I don't see the Spurs overspending their assets unless it is a top 10 NBA player. Markkanen is a nice player, but he's not a top 10 player, so I don't see the Spurs trading 5-6 draft picks for him. NYC can't help itself when it comes to trading for players. Smart franchises don't vomit draft picks for good, but not great players.

I don't think the Spurs will do that and I don't think the Warriors will do that. Both teams have been patient and build smartly. There are irrational teams out there that overspend for good/not great talent, but they've already given up all their assets. Maybe the Thunder would spend the draft capital because they have so much of it, but even they don't overpay for players. So I see the Jazz as either signing Markkanen or trading him for a good, but not highway robbery price. That said, Danny freaking Ainge always seems to find an over eager buyer.

[BacktoBasics]

If they’re gonna go hard for Lauri I wouldn’t mind seeing Collier packaged in there.

[poopbox]

That's less than the Knicks got for Bridges, who doesn't have Mark's upside. The Jazz can just renegotiate and extend Mark themselves in August and then try again next year. They aren't under the gun.

Lauri has also never played in a finals, like Bridges did, and doesn't fit into a nice little box, 3 and D wing, like Bridges does.

I'm sure the Knicks could have gotten Lauri with what they paid to get Bridges. But they didn't.

Not sure about Lauri's "upside". He a few months younger than Bridges.

[TD 21]

That's way too much. The Jazz don't have any leverage to be asking for any of the Hawks' picks.

Hornets pick, Bulls pick, Wolves' pick and Spurs 27 is the absolute most I would give up for a player that isn't even an all-star. If the Jazz aren't interested then they can lose Markkanen for nothing in free agency.

That's more or less (obviously nailing the exact iteration of star trades extremely difficult) what it'll take and whether he makes it or not in a given season, Markkanen is clearly an All-Star caliber player at this point.

People need to get over the price and face the reality if this team wants to trade for an in prime star.

[NASpurs]

The insider to the insiders. He is the source.
https://x.com/ericzhangnba/status/1807779729959002445?s=46

itshappening.gif if Zhang said so

[poopbox]

I don't see the Spurs overspending their assets unless it is a top 10 NBA player. Markkanen is a nice player, but he's not a top 10 player, so I don't see the Spurs trading 5-6 draft picks for him. NYC can't help itself when it comes to trading for players. Smart franchises don't vomit draft picks for good, but not great players.

I don't think the Spurs will do that and I don't think the Warriors will do that. Both teams have been patient and build smartly. There are irrational teams out there that overspend for good/not great talent, but they've already given up all their assets. Maybe the Thunder would spend the draft capital because they have so much of it, but even they don't overpay for players. So I see the Jazz as either signing Markkanen or trading him for a good, but not highway robbery price. That said, Danny freaking Ainge always seems to find an over eager buyer.

They just gave a backup center 30 million dollars a year :lol

[DAF86]

That's less than the Knicks got for Bridges, who doesn't have Mark's upside. The Jazz can just renegotiate and extend Mark themselves in August and then try again next year. They aren't under the gun.

Meh, Markkanen might be better offensively, but Bridges is a two-way player. Both guys' ceiling is borderline all-star, so I'd say they are more or less on the same level. Bridges was also secured for one more year.

And sure, the Jazz and Markkanen could get to an agreement but it's clear that that's not what either party wants. As long as the Jazz have Markkanen on their roster, they're stuck in mediocrity like the Spurs were with Dejounte. They need to get rid of him to bottom out, and I'm sure they would love to do that for the 2025 draft, so now.

The Jazz are in no position to demand a higher price than what the Nets got for Bridges. They obviously are going to try, but no team should be dumb enough to buy the bluff and accept it, tbh.

Keldon, the Hornets pick (yeah, Mugen we know it's worth nothing, but let's the Jazz save some face with casuals), the Chicago pick, the Wolves pick, and whichever is worse from the Spurs and Hawks pick in 25 or 27. If the Jazz don't like it, then so be it. Just go for Markkanen (or any other guy) in the next free agency.

[NASpurs]

Who does Zhang's profile picture look AI created? :lol

[Dejounte]

Say it with me… all stars who are winners will never become available. Y’all need to stop being picky.

[DAF86]

That's more or less (obviously nailing the exact iteration of star trades extremely difficult) what it'll take and whether he makes it or not in a given season, Markkanen is clearly an All-Star caliber player at this point.

People need to get over the price and face the reality if this team wants to trade for an in prime star.

Read above.

[Mr. Body]

Lauri has also never played in a finals, like Bridges did, and doesn't fit into a nice little box, 3 and D wing, like Bridges does.

I'm sure the Knicks could have gotten Lauri with what they paid to get Bridges. But they didn't.

Not sure about Lauri's "upside". He a few months younger than Bridges.

Bridges also won two national championships in college. I feel like he's a bit overrated, but definitely provides the multiple qualities needed to win at a high level. Knicks seemed to value his synergy with former teammates, too. Not really sure what Markkanen has ever done. Sure, it would be good to have a shooter, but more than the CHA or CHI starts getting into overpay territory. There's a lot of empty stats to him.

[scott]

I have seen the future
it has a title

The Nordic Finnishing School of Lauri Markkanen

Holy shit, I was thinking about this the other day and I came up with "The Scandinavian Finnishing School of Lauri Markkanen". A wild coincidence we both game up with the same hypothetical title.

[Spurs9]

Presti has a huge number of fuck ups. Gifting Dallas Lively is among them. Gifting Houston Sengun is one of them. He's nailed his top lotto picks. He's gotten good role players. But he's sitting on a reputation largely based on snaring picks, a ton of them coming from Kawhi himself, and SGA, who was a throw-in. Jalen Williams was a great pick-up. He fell into Chet and didn't mess that pick up.

They'll probably win a championship, but their first foray into the playoffs this year was much, much worse than people think. They wrecked an injured, bad team, then gave up little resistance to a Dallas team rebuilding on the fly. It's a team with some real problems still, and the signing of Hartenstein will help, but they still have more to figure out. In the end, without that SGA gift they'd still be treading water.
And we passed on Shengun for Primo, probably wouldn't have gotten Wemby because we would have a better record tho

[playblair]

The insider to the insiders. He is the source.
https://x.com/ericzhangnba/status/1807779729959002445?s=46
kevin tran is the only oriental with real spurs info........

[Spurs9]

kevin tran is the only oriental with real spurs info........

We may need to check with our real insider tspense

[LeBowen]

Lauri has also never played in a finals, like Bridges did, and doesn't fit into a nice little box, 3 and D wing, like Bridges does.

I'm sure the Knicks could have gotten Lauri with what they paid to get Bridges. But they didn't.

Not sure about Lauri's "upside". He a few months younger than Bridges.

We've seen Bridges as the first option.
After a hot streak early on after KD trade, he just had a 19.6/4.5/3.6 on 44/37/81 season.
He's a great defender, but I'd argue that he's a third best offensive option at best.

Meanwhile Lauri's averages in 121 game with the Jazz are 24.5/8.4/2 on 49/39/88 with just 1.4 turnovers.
He's in a completely different tier offensively compared to Bridges.
And he's not a bad defender. Average, but not bad.

Not many teams have two great frontcourt players. He's more than capable of handling opposition's second best frontcourt player.

[Mugen]

All Star caliber players are gonna cost a shit ton. You're not getting a guy like Markannen on a discount tbh.

After seeing BWrong's draft history, not sure why Spurfan would even care about giving up draft picks. :lol

[Ariel]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Spurs shouldn't go all in right now at the proposed prices. They absolutely had to put together a competitive roster that made sense, at least a wing shooter is necessary for that but if they get one they'll go into this season better equiped than last. Spurs won't be contenders for another 2 years at least if you look at the whole picture, Boston and OKC are too far ahead, and so are Minnesota, Dallas and Denver. Unless there's a great deal in place (doubt it with Ainge involved) I say don't jump the gun, aim at play in this season and bet on Lauri or Donovan Mitchell reaching free agency. If they don't, then next year you'll have the picks to do this kind of deal with a better understanding on where the Spurs sit after another year of development for the young core.

[scott]

The Spurs only competitor for Lauri are the Warriors? They can get him if they want him then.

Haven't caught up on all the comments yet, so maybe someone else mentioned this, but while there aren't many teams that make sense as a trade-partner to view Lauri as a long-term piece (as in, resign him)... I wonder if there are teams out there who would look to trade for him as a 1-year rental to go all in on a title run. He only makes $18MM this year. Someone like Orlando could make that work with picks and some young prospects that could appeal to Ainge like Black and Jett Howard. (I don't think ORL is ready for an all-in run... nor do I think Lauri is a great fit, but that's just an example)

[Mugen]

I could see Detroit trading for a guy like Markkanen as well. They've gotta try and be good at some point tbh.

[Spurs9]

You can't trust a dude with a chicks name

[BatManu20]

The Spurs can out-bid anyone for Markkanen. The question is whether they're willing to or not. As much as I'd love him, don't think I'm trading 5 FRP's + Keldon for him. It's just too much, especially for a guy you gotta pay next Summer. And Ainge won't part with him unless he's coming out on top of that deal.

[Knoxxx]

All Star caliber players are gonna cost a shit ton. You're not getting a guy like Markannen on a discount tbh.

After seeing BWrong's draft history, not sure why Spurfan would even care about giving up draft picks. :lol

Jazz Get: CHI FRP, CHA FRP, 12 2RPs of assorted years, Collins, Branham, Wesley, 26 ATL Swap
Spurs Get: Markannen!

"Mark" it down!

[LeBowen]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Spurs shouldn't go all in right now at the proposed prices. They absolutely had to put together a competitive roster that made sense, at least a wing shooter is necessary for that but if they get one they'll go into this season better equiped than last. Spurs won't be contenders for another 2 years at least if you look at the whole picture, Boston and OKC are too far ahead, and so are Minnesota, Dallas and Denver. Unless there's a great deal in place (doubt it with Ainge involved) I say don't jump the gun, aim at play in this season and bet on Lauri or Donovan Mitchell reaching free agency. If they don't, then next year you'll have the picks to do this kind of deal with a better understanding on where the Spurs sit after another year of development for the young core.

It's not an all in.
Spurs can trade for Markkanen while still keeping all of their picks and all the swaps.

Projecting timelines is a pointless endeavor in today's league considering how quickly things change.
Denver looked like a dynasty in the making, a year later they look to be in cap hell with no options to improve their non-existant depth.
Minnesota will be over the second apron in a year with 8 players on the roster and zero tradeable picks.
Dallas also already blew their load on a guard duo and role players that have no versatility.

I wouldn't blow the load right away, but Markkanen fits Wemby. Both timeline and basketball wise.
Can't surround Wemby with a bunch of 20 year olds when most of them except for future all-time greats take years to develop.
Wemby will be in the MVP race from 25-26 season onwards, we got to give him something.

[Ariel]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807801615677559241
Honestly, I might offer Kyle Anderson a 2 year deal, with the last year being team option, and get it over with. Smart vet that can help the core grow, doesn't cost you anything, and wouldn't hurt '25 free agency.

[Mugen]

Fathead or Batum would be a solid pickup. I'd probably go for Batum since he'd be more willing to take a big 1yr deal but either one would be a nice frontcourt piece.

[Spurs9]

So jazz will want a ton of picks for a guy we will have to overpay in a year. They would be giving up picks, when we could have just used our 8th pick or even traded down to punt on another rookie on a cheaper contract. But we wanted those 2 picks in 7 years. For the fact Ainge is involved, it would be a big nope for me. Hes going to fleece Brian.

[scott]

If we trade for Lauri, I will take back (almost) all of my criticisms and rejoin the Church of Sniffism

[Knoxxx]

It's not an all in.
Spurs can trade for Markkanen while still keeping all of their picks and all the swaps.

Projecting timelines is a pointless endeavor in today's league considering how quickly things change.
Denver looked like a dynasty in the making, a year later they look to be in cap hell with no options to improve their non-existant depth.
Minnesota will be over the second apron in a year with 8 players on the roster and zero tradeable picks.
Dallas also already blew their load on a guard duo and role players that have no versatility.

I wouldn't blow the load right away, but Markkanen fits Wemby. Both timeline and basketball wise.
Can't surround Wemby with a bunch of 20 year olds when most of them except for future all-time greats take years to develop.
Wemby will be in the MVP race from 25-26 season onwards, we got to give him something.


What you talking about Willis??! Do tell.

The issue here is we have too many picks and need to trade some away. It appears unlikely the Spurs want to bring in two first round pick rookies each season.

I could see us discussing something about Utah gets the worst of the ATL or SAS 2025 first round pick.

Markannen to Spurs seems PROBABLE, unless OKC sneaks into the mix. Who else has the draft capital to pull this off?

Now, Vassell to Utah could make sense. No reason to make Vassell untouchable, when you have an acquisition of this caliber in play.

[Pauleta14]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

The bench would be awfull :lol

And it's way too much

[DAF86]

The Spurs can out-bid anyone for Markkanen. The question is whether they're willing to or not. As much as I'd love him, don't think I'm trading 5 FRP's + Keldon for him. It's just too much, especially for a guy you gotta pay next Summer. And Ainge won't part with him unless he's coming out on top of that deal.

Keeping Lauri and missing out on this next draft is the worst thing Ainge could do.

[LeBowen]

What you talking about Willis??! Do tell.

I mean as in we could probably get Markkanen for Hawks, Bulls and Minnesota FRPs and still have all of our own picks and those swaps.

[Degoat]

Not that it ultimately matters but it could be somewhat strategic of the jazz to trade him to the spurs because it eliminates one less team from being in on tanking next year lol I mean as it stands it looks like the SA and Det should be trying to win with their moves.

[Mugen]

I'd probably do something like the following for Markkanen:

Keldon + 2025 ATL or Spurs pick (top 5 protected) + Spurs 2027 Pick + Spurs 2029 Pick + best 2030 swap

[DAF86]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1807801615677559241
Honestly, I might offer Kyle Anderson a 2 year deal, with the last year being team option, and get it over with. Smart vet that can help the core grow, doesn't cost you anything, and wouldn't hurt '25 free agency.

I love Fathead but we desperately need some shooting.

[Degoat]

NBA central Twitter posted that it looks like Gary Trent Jr won’t get MLE anywhere, I’m shocked nobody has signed him

[CitizenDwayne]

I don’t see how Kyle Anderson helps this team.

[RC_Drunkford]

imagine we trade for Lauri and then bring in Brook Lopez :lol one can dream

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs would be trading for Mark without an extension in place due to the extend-and-trade restrictions. After that, they can do whatever. I'd consider a likely Spurs package to be Jones, Sochan and maybe Branham along with CHI25, ATL25, ATL 27 and MIN31. Then the Spurs waive Graham, give the cap space to Mark, use Bird rights for Mamu and the room exception in Osman.

Paul, Wesley, Nunez
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson, Cissoko
Markkanen, Osman, Mamukelashvili
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

With one last roster spot open if Branham is included.

Holy shit put down the drugs.