2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[Mr. Body]

GSW always seemed to wobble on the brink of hating each other. I never had a great sense of vibes from that team. There was no real leadership other than what Draymond provided in his toxic way, and what seemed to hold them together was a sense of grievance, normally supplied by Kerr or sometimes Durant. Like, I never could imagine these players sticking around the franchise the way the Spurs players have.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

There is, however, a caveat: lumping assets together may improve their outlook in a vacuum but also takes away some flexibility, if you're going to use them via trades or if you project Spurs by then should resort to SRPs to fill their roster like many contenders are doing nowadays (like Denver, for instance). So it's a sensible path, but it depends on what's the team's strategy going forward. Something to consider nonetheless.

I hear you. However, the Spurs have 20 SRPs over the next seven years. We have seen over the past couple of drafts that their management of SRPs is a bit dubious. They can't use them all themselves so I would prefer to consolidate as opposed to sell or use on continuous draft and stash. SPRs are currency for role players. FRPs is the currency for star players. In this case, I believe the Bucks pick would need to be unprotected because they can't stipulate fallback options after 2031 right now.

[exstatic]

Agreed 100 percent they were always front runners and were fortunate to always get crucial injury breaks from their opponents ala Zaza taking out Kawhi, and then Chris Paul tearing his hamstring when they were down 3-2 in '18. They showed their true colors the last few years when the deck wasn't stacked in their favor and have suffered a meltdown.

I'll never forget the struggle the Spurs had from '07-'14 to climb back as a champion. I always view those years as the wilderness years of the big 3's careers but unlike the Warriors big 3 they didn't pout and meltdown when things didn't go their way during that span and just kept on plugging away to get their status back.

I was just thinking with their volatility, they could never have done the second act like our big three.

[CGD]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?

[Mr. Body]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?

My mind, they've been in collecting bad contract phase since signing Paul, unless they tried for Batum and, like, he wanted two years and they wanted one.

Seems the mandate now is:

1. No long term contracts

and

That's it. Not sure what two is. Unless some absolute bargain come through, I think they're looking to squeeze into one of these larger deals for teams trying to move players or get themselves under the apron or tax lines.

[baseline bum]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?

DeRozan is still out there

[Degoat]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?

It seems like things have been put on hold, there’s some decent free agents Imo Buddy Hield, Caleb Martin, Gary Trent, Kyle Anderson, Tyus Jones. Wondering what the hold up is

[Seventyniner]

I was just thinking with their volatility, they could never have done the second act like our big three.

2022 was their 2014.

[Ice009]

it's so funny LeBron hinted a paycut for another star and the big fish were like 'nah'. Also no one wants to be within five feet of that choker D'Angelo Russell loooool I love this offseason.

What do you mean by this? He was going to take a pay cut to get someone else to come? Geez, this guy always needs help if so. A supposed top two player always needed help to win anything.


Agreed 100 percent they were always front runners and were fortunate to always get crucial injury breaks from their opponents ala Zaza taking out Kawhi, and then Chris Paul tearing his hamstring when they were down 3-2 in '18. They showed their true colors the last few years when the deck wasn't stacked in their favor and have suffered a meltdown.

I'll never forget the struggle the Spurs had from '07-'14 to climb back as a champion. I always view those years as the wilderness years of the big 3's careers but unlike the Warriors big 3 they didn't pout and meltdown when things didn't go their way during that span and just kept on plugging away to get their status back.

I didn't look at it that way. The big three had a lot of bad breaks with injuries, luck and roster construction not going their way, but they didn't toss it in and just kept going.

[exstatic]

My mind, they've been in collecting bad contract phase since signing Paul, unless they tried for Batum and, like, he wanted two years and they wanted one.

Seems the mandate now is:

1. No long term contracts

and

That's it. Not sure what two is. Unless some absolute bargain come through, I think they're looking to squeeze into one of these larger deals for teams trying to move players or get themselves under the apron or tax lines.

He wanted his wife to not divorce him, and she wanted LA, sort of the Kawhi of wives.

[Mr. Body]

He wanted his wife to not divorce him, and she wanted LA, sort of the Kawhi of wives.

Couldn't sell her on breakfast tacos.

[slick'81]

DeRozan is still out there

king midrange wants the lakers

[R. DeMurre]

Klay is such a weird example of a guy feeling disrespected, and kinda shows how sometimes there's nothing you can do as a GM or a team to reasonably settle a temperamental dispute. I mean, the Warriors paid him like $110mil over three years where he missed two seasons entirely and played 32 games in the third... that comes out to about $3.4mil PER GAME for three years. They bent over backwards to make him feel appreciated, and he still has this outlandish gripe that he's somehow been disrespected. Human nature sometimes... there's no way to fix an irrationally hurt ego.

[RC_Drunkford]

I always think the Spurs value culture way too much, but this is a reason why it makes sense. The Warriors are mainly falling apart because their players egos are too big. Draymond ran KD out of town and knocked out Poole, cause Poole thought he was the next splash brother. Klay got 2 major injuries and didn't want to come off the bench and Steph didn't bother to fix any of this because he is not a leader.


But it was now being given to Podziemski, who was 8 when Thompson hit the first of his 2,982 3s (playoffs included) for the franchise. That news didn’t land softly. Thompson ripped into Kerr and his staff, team sources said, and spent some of that day grumbling about his inevitable summer departure from the franchise. (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5605834/2024/07/02/klay-thompson-warriors-split/) His impending free agency loomed in the background all season.
– via New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5605834/2024/07/02/klay-thompson-warriors-split/)

[TXstbobcat]

Donovan Mitchell, Cavaliers agree to 3-year, $150.3M extension

​https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40480478/sources-donovan-mitchell-cavaliers-agree-3-year-1503m-extension

[Ariel]

I hear you. However, the Spurs have 20 SRPs over the next seven years. We have seen over the past couple of drafts that their management of SRPs is a bit dubious. They can't use them all themselves so I would prefer to consolidate as opposed to sell or use on continuous draft and stash. SPRs are currency for role players. FRPs is the currency for star players. In this case, I believe the Bucks pick would need to be unprotected because they can't stipulate fallback options after 2031 right now.
And I would do it too, just saying that there are reasons not to.

[Strategic]

About the discussion whether Lauri or Naz would be better. As if either is coming to fruition. I’d rather try to stockpile strong 4th offensive options than shoot for a 2nd option this off season.

[rjv]

Couldn't sell her on breakfast tacos.


her loss.

[spurraider21]

no clue where derozan goes at this point :lol

lakers could potentially offer him the full MLE if lebron takes a discount, but man, do the lakers really need a poor defender who doesnt space the floor to be out there with lebron and AD? derozan has talent, but the lakers are among the worst fits for him i could imagine.

the spurs could make use of derozan... but would be valuable Castle reps being taken away imo

[daslicer]

What do you mean by this? He was going to take a pay cut to get someone else to come? Geez, this guy always needs help if so. A supposed top two player always needed help to win anything.



I didn't look at it that way. The big three had a lot of bad breaks with injuries, luck and roster construction not going their way, but they didn't toss it in and just kept going.

I never said that they did. I said this " I always view those years as the wilderness years of the big 3's careers but unlike the Warriors big 3 they didn't pout and meltdown when things didn't go their way during that span and just kept on plugging away to get their status back." Where did I say in this statement that they tossed it in and didn't keep going. Plugging away means they kept going.

[exstatic]

I never said that they did. I said this " I always view those years as the wilderness years of the big 3's careers but unlike the Warriors big 3 they didn't pout and meltdown when things didn't go their way during that span and just kept on plugging away to get their status back." Where did I say in this statement that they tossed it in and didn't keep going. Plugging away means they kept going.

I don’t think he’s so much arguing with you as agreeing.

[lefty20]

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[Mr. Body]

Absolutely no way Jalen Green should get a max extension, absolutely not. Playing safe with cap with anyone is a pretty good idea, including Sengun.

The landscape has completely shifted. Even up-and-coming teams are going to have huge problems.

[rjv]

looks like derozan may have to settle for a one-year deal if he wants to get paid. not sure who would take him on as ballast for a season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This is smart by the Rockets.

[Ice009]

I never said that they did. I said this " I always view those years as the wilderness years of the big 3's careers but unlike the Warriors big 3 they didn't pout and meltdown when things didn't go their way during that span and just kept on plugging away to get their status back." Where did I say in this statement that they tossed it in and didn't keep going. Plugging away means they kept going.

I was agreeing with you that they kept their heads down and kept pushing to win.

[Obstructed_View]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?
Dom Barlow.

[baseline bum]

Couldn't sell her on breakfast tacos.

She's not one of them big ol women

[baseline bum]

Is there anyone good even left in the FA market at this? Maybe Trent Jr. or Kyle Anderson?

This offseason seems pretty dead. Have we officially shifted to the collecting bad contracts phase of the offseason?

Basically, where are we on Day 3?

Sounds like negotiating with Ainge for Markkanen

[scott]

On the Brooks Lopez talk...

Upgrading Collins to Lopez only makes sense if we want to be good. Collins sucks ass, as does his contract, but it's not like his contract is preventing us from doing anything and it's not like we're trying to be a playoff team. It would be kind of silly to acquire Lopez (even if it's just for a Graham swap) and then have to pay to get off Collins unless we're doing something like acquiring Lauri and making a push for the playoffs.

[Leetonidas]

Sounds like negotiating with Ainge for Markkanen

Wishful thinking imo. I highly doubt the Spurs are having any real convos about Markkanen

[Notorious H.O.P.]

"Rod Boone: Most roster movement: Source says #Hornets did not extend a qualifying offer to Amari Bailey, making him an unrestricted free agent."

Anyone want to sign Amari Bailey's mom?

[baseline bum]

Wishful thinking imo. I highly doubt the Spurs are having any real convos about Markkanen

Not what's being reported

[spurraider21]

On the Brooks Lopez talk...

Upgrading Collins to Lopez only makes sense if we want to be good. Collins sucks ass, as does his contract, but it's not like his contract is preventing us from doing anything and it's not like we're trying to be a playoff team. It would be kind of silly to acquire Lopez (even if it's just for a Graham swap) and then have to pay to get off Collins unless we're doing something like acquiring Lauri and making a push for the playoffs.
going from zollins to lopez just to get out of the deal a year early has value as well. spurs paid a 1st to go from RJ to SJax for the same reason. also worked out the jax balled out for us the rest of that year even down to our game 6 loss to okc

[baseline bum]

On the Brooks Lopez talk...

Upgrading Collins to Lopez only makes sense if we want to be good. Collins sucks ass, as does his contract, but it's not like his contract is preventing us from doing anything and it's not like we're trying to be a playoff team. It would be kind of silly to acquire Lopez (even if it's just for a Graham swap) and then have to pay to get off Collins unless we're doing something like acquiring Lauri and making a push for the playoffs.

I mean you're seeing reports about the Spurs in the Markannen hunt

[scott]

I mean you're seeing reports about the Spurs in the Markannen hunt

If we do the Lauri deal, we should definitely do a Lopez deal. But if we miss on Lauri, and unless some other trade target manifests itself (I doubt it, as I kind of doubt we're really in on the Lauri talks), then no point to move off Collins now. Just soft tank it to next summer at that point.

[Leetonidas]

Not what's being reported

Is it though? Ive seen Windy report he "thinks" the Spurs are inquiring and I've seen Lowe opine that he would be a good fit in SA but haven't seen any actual reports that SA has had any real talks about it.

[Mr. Body]

Is it though? Ive seen Windy report he "thinks" the Spurs are inquiring and I've seen Lowe opine that he would be a good fit in SA but haven't seen any actual reports that SA has had any real talks about it.

"Yo Ainge."

"Yo Brian."

"Wazzup."

"Wazzup. How much for that Finnish guy?"

"Let me check my sheet. Four unprotecteds and two or three good young players."

"Lol, k."

"Lol."

"See ya on the links later this summer."

"See ya."

[Leetonidas]

"Yo Ainge."

"Yo Brian."

"Wazzup."

"Wazzup. How much for that Finnish guy?"

"Let me check my sheet. Four unprotecteds and two or three good young players."

"Lol, k."

"Lol."

"See ya on the links later this summer."

"See ya."

Knowing Ainge he asked for 5 FRPs and Wemby :lol

[Ariel]

Not what's being reported
Everything I've read is nothing but speculation that "Spurs could be interested", "it would make sense", "league sources believe", and so on and so forth. Nothing concrete leading to Spurs making an actual offer or even having talks. I would not be surprised at all if indeed Spurs had some sort of preliminary conversations about Markkanen with Utah, but those 2 are not the same. What are those specific reports you refer to?

[TekXX]

Fuck Ainge don't do it

[LeBowen]

Everything I've read is nothing but speculation that "Spurs could be interested", "it would make sense", "league sources believe", and so on and so forth. Nothing concrete leading to Spurs making an actual offer or even having talks. I would not be surprised at all if indeed Spurs had some sort of preliminary conversations about Markkanen with Utah, but those 2 are not the same. What are those specific reports you refer to?

There's never anything concrete when it comes to Spurs news.

I can get behind both building through the draft and trading for legit players, but what I can't get behind is punting a #8 pick 7 years down the road and then not trading for anyone.
If they moved it a year or two it would be fine, but since they moved it so far away, I want Wemby to have a functional team around him.

Considering how deprived of talent this roster is and how long it takes for young players to develop unless they're generational talent, not trading for anyone just doesn't make sense.
If we don't have a legit forward next to Wemby on the opening night, whether it be Markkanen or someone else, this off-season will be a failure in my eyes.

[Ariel]

Personally my offer today (that is, his contract being expiring and requiring him to be a free agent if Spurs trade for him) would probably be:
Keldon / Zach Collins
+ Sochan (I have to assume they value him as a lottery pick, otherwise you don't trade him)
+ Chicago '25
+ Spurs '29 pick unprotected
+ Charlotte '25
+ a few 2nds
I'd be willing to add perhaps one more first rounder, but NOT any pick in the next 2 drafts ('25/'26), probably Spurs '27 top 4 protected or something like that. If Utah wants more, then have them extend him, hurt their tank, and get the same offer whenever he becomes trade available again.

[BackHome]

People just throwing out spurs name just trying to get there clients more leverage

[Ariel]

There's never anything concrete when it comes to Spurs news.
That's not true, they're more reserved than your typical franchise, absolutely, but there were lots of news coming out in the Dejounte and Poeltl trade, for instance. If you read between the lines (wording is telling), those seemed a lot more concrete than what you see now regarding Markkanen. Again, doesn't prove it won't happen, but I don't get the sense anything is imminent.

I can get behind both building through the draft and trading for legit players, but what I can't get behind is punting a #8 pick 7 years down the road and then not trading for anyone.
If they moved it a year or two it would be fine, but since they moved it so far away, I want Wemby to have a functional team around him.

Considering how deprived of talent this roster is and how long it takes for young players to develop unless they're generational talent, not trading for anyone just doesn't make sense.
If we don't have a legit forward next to Wemby on the opening night, whether it be Markkanen or someone else, this off-season will be a failure in my eyes.
You don't trade just for trading's sake. Spurs aren't contending in the next 2 years Markkanen or not. If there's a deal that makes sense, great. Otherwise I'd rather wait, desperate teams get ripped off every time, especially when Ainge is involved. That's the worst case scenario.
PS: If you go through the draft thread, you'll clearly see I wasn't exactly a fan of moving #8 6/7 years into the future.

[onechance87]

who ever gave collins that contract needs to be fired.

[LeBowen]

Personally my offer today (that is, his contract being expiring and requiring him to be a free agent if Spurs trade for him) would probably be:
Keldon / Zach Collins
+ Sochan (I have to assume they value him as a lottery pick, otherwise you don't trade him)
+ Chicago '25
+ Spurs '29 pick unprotected
+ Charlotte '25
+ a few 2nds
I'd be willing to add perhaps one more first rounder, but NOT any pick in the next 2 drafts ('25/'26), probably Spurs '27 top 4 protected or something like that. If Utah wants more, then have them extend him, hurt their tank, and get the same offer whenever he becomes trade available again.

If we're to try and find logic in this potential trade, Minnesota picks just make too much sense.
Spurs somewhat unexplainably kick a mid-lottery pick 7 years down the road.
Jazz owns Minnesota starting next year, having those two picks would just be the final nail in Minnesota's coffin if things go South.

Chicago, Charlotte, Minnesota picks and one Spurs pick that's '27 or later.
If they want Jeremy and Keldon, that is.

Chicago would be a gamble to convey, Charlotte is SRPs.
Minnesota is potentially more valuable to Jazz than other teams.
Spurs '27 shouldn't be in the lottery.

While Knicks did give up five FRPs, none of those will be in the lottery if they avoid a major meltdown.

[BatManu20]

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[baseline bum]

Is it though? Ive seen Windy report he "thinks" the Spurs are inquiring

Crap that's what I was thinking of, you're right.

[baseline bum]

Personally my offer today (that is, his contract being expiring and requiring him to be a free agent if Spurs trade for him) would probably be:
Keldon / Zach Collins
+ Sochan (I have to assume they value him as a lottery pick, otherwise you don't trade him)
+ Chicago '25
+ Spurs '29 pick unprotected
+ Charlotte '25
+ a few 2nds
I'd be willing to add perhaps one more first rounder, but NOT any pick in the next 2 drafts ('25/'26), probably Spurs '27 top 4 protected or something like that. If Utah wants more, then have them extend him, hurt their tank, and get the same offer whenever he becomes trade available again.

Why would you expect Utah to value Sochan as a lottery pick? He's got some real defensive potential but is super inconsistent and a below replacement level player. That's a pretty lousy trade package for them that Golden State will likely trounce in their offer. Ainge isn't stupid, he knows the Charlotte 25 is two seconds. That's not a serious trade offer.

[Mr. Body]

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Sucks that UTA will get another pile of unprotected picks from a franch that will become a disaster soon. GSW utterly desperate. But at least GSW's picks won't get swallowed up by an OKC or someone else. No matter how many picks Ainge gobbles up, it's still Utah and a place no one wants to be.

[TD 21]

What’s not to understand? Lopez can help this team. The Spurs need a big for matchups with other true bigs (Jokic, Gobert, etc.). They also need outside shooting. They also need veteran leadership. It would also be fantastic to get off the Collins deal. I don’t know if Lopez and Vic even play that much together, but Lopez being a true stretch five makes it a lot more plausible than a horribly inconsistent Collins who also gets manhandled in the paint. Lopez certainly hasn’t clogged up the floor for Giannis. But the best part is that if it doesn’t work out they can move Lopez to a contender at the deadline and get more assets. It’s a no brainer.

I get the utility, I'm saying I don't see a team with one of the four best centers in the league, who is not exactly making a concerted effort to compete, unilaterally deciding to concern themselves with acquiring another starting center.


looks like derozan may have to settle for a one-year deal if he wants to get paid. not sure who would take him on as ballast for a season.

:lmao At the pseudo star potentially having to settle for a 1 year MLE contract and either way not getting a contract commensurate with that of a legit star.

If he's as good as so many attempt to lead others to believe, why isn't some team moving heaven and earth for him?

[Ariel]

Why would you expect Utah to value Sochan as a lottery pick? He's got some real defensive potential but is super inconsistent and a below replacement level player. That's a pretty lousy trade package for them that Golden State will likely trounce in their offer. Ainge isn't stupid, he knows the Charlotte 25 is two seconds.
Sochan just turned 21 and most young guys are inconsistent. I don't rate him lower than Dyson Daniels, for instance, who similarly went into a package for Dejounte recently (alongside 2 picks worse than these). If they don't value his upside, then you pass. I'm including him because going forward Lauri + Castle make him somewhat expendable.
As for Charlotte '25, that's more of a throw in that he can sell as another first for PR purposes, I'm not expecting him to value him as a first other than to stroke his ego a bit. 2 young players, 2 good picks plus another first (fake) and 2nds sounds reasonable for a 1 time all star that is on an expiring contract. Maybe add ONE more pick if necessary. But that's not a bad offer at all, if GSW want to throw everything but the kitchen sink, Spurs shouldn't be stupid enough to enter that fight.

[LeBowen]

You don't trade just for trading's sake.

Agreed. But Markkanen has been my pipe dream for months, it's not like I want him just because reports started now.
I might be completely wrong, but in my mind he's a perfect fit next to Wemby.


Spurs aren't contending in the next 2 years Markkanen or not.

But we aren't tanking, either.
If healthy, Wemby is guaranteed to be an MVP candidate in every single season from 25-26 onwards.

Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Pistons, Raptors, Wizards, Blazers and Jazz.
That's 8 teams more or less guaranteed to tank. I guess Hornets might finally click, but I doubt it.
There's no way we can be worse than those teams that probably won't get 30 wins unless we ruin Wemby's season by shutting him down and sitting important players every game.
After that, lottery becomes exactly that, a lottery. It's not worth having 9th best compared to 12th best odds. Yeah, someone always moves up, but those are low percentage odds.
For someone to move up, another team has to get unlucky (mostly Pistons). And we've been lucky way too many times already. Got Wemby with 14%, moved up to #4 and got the Raptors pick this year.
I don't like pushing my luck, we've had enough.

The West is brutal and we won't make the playoffs unless some of the old teams finally fall apart. Warriors, Clippers, Suns and Lakers are all close to their expiry date.
But what we can and need to do is to start actually trying. We've been in the lottery for five years.

We won't just be able to go from 25 to 55 wins in a year. We need to rebuild the winning culture and have some failures while actually trying.
Then we'll most likely fail some more when we start making playoffs.
No all-time great ever has won without failing multiple times except for the likes of Timmy, Magic and Bird who got drafted by good teams.
If you're building from the ground up, it's going to be rough. Can't teach experience.

Considering PATFO's recent draft record, I'd rather have a couple of late teens picks than mid-lottery because players develop way better when they're actually trying to win.


If there's a deal that makes sense, great. Otherwise I'd rather wait, desperate teams get ripped off every time, especially when Ainge is involved. That's the worst case scenario.

What does a rip-off even mean? For me a rip-off is when teams that can't actually get over the hump throw everything at one trade, have a short window and fail.
If we use those picks we both suggested for Markkanen, we'd still have Hawks picks and all but one of our own picks. Without losing any important players.
Could either draft another potentially great player in the next few drafts or get more quality roster pieces.


PS: If you go through the draft thread, you'll clearly see I wasn't exactly a fan of moving #8 6/7 years into the future.

I instantly thought of Markkanen trade when it happened because Ainge owns Minnesota already.

[RC_Drunkford]

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:lol their all in on Paul George was one first rounder and Wiggins. Maybe they'll offer 2 now

[LeBowen]

:lol their all in on Paul George was one first rounder and Wiggins. Maybe they'll offer 2 now

Exactly.
Don't forget how many all-in reports from Heat and Lakers reporters we've seen over the years.
You can be all-you want-in, but if you don't have the assets, it's not happening.

[scott]

That's not true, they're more reserved than your typical franchise, absolutely, but there were lots of news coming out in the Dejounte and Poeltl trade, for instance. If you read between the lines (wording is telling), those seemed a lot more concrete than what you see now regarding Markkanen. Again, doesn't prove it won't happen, but I don't get the sense anything is imminent.

You don't trade just for trading's sake. Spurs aren't contending in the next 2 years Markkanen or not. If there's a deal that makes sense, great. Otherwise I'd rather wait, desperate teams get ripped off every time, especially when Ainge is involved. That's the worst case scenario.
PS: If you go through the draft thread, you'll clearly see I wasn't exactly a fan of moving #8 6/7 years into the future.


I agree that we shouldn't just do a dumb deal to do a dumb deal. But if we do nothing this offseason, beside just take Castle, sign CP3, and punt on #8 - then we should return to our criticism of this FO, because I agree with LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) that this should be considered a failure of an off-season. Certainly it's possible to fail even harder (like, sending Devin, Castle and 7 FRPs for Lauri), and we should definitely avoid that... but avoiding even worse outcomes doesn't mean it isn't a failure worth criticizing. (Also, not saying that you are suggesting this, Ariel, your comment just spurred this thought so I'm adding on).

[scott]

Agreed. But Markkanen has been my pipe dream for months, it's not like I want him just because reports started now.
I might be completely wrong, but in my mind he's a perfect fit next to Wemby.



But we aren't tanking, either.
If healthy, Wemby is guaranteed to be an MVP candidate in every single season from 25-26 onwards.

Nets, Hornets, Bulls, Pistons, Raptors, Wizards, Blazers and Jazz.
That's 8 teams more or less guaranteed to tank. I guess Hornets might finally click, but I doubt it.
There's no way we can be worse than those teams that probably won't get 30 wins unless we ruin Wemby's season by shutting him down and sitting important players every game.
After that, lottery becomes exactly that, a lottery. It's not worth having 9th best compared to 12th best odds. Yeah, someone always moves up, but those are low percentage odds.
For someone to move up, another team has to get unlucky (mostly Pistons). And we've been lucky way too many times already. Got Wemby with 14%, moved up to #4 and got the Raptors pick this year.
I don't like pushing my luck, we've had enough.

The West is brutal and we won't make the playoffs unless some of the old teams finally fall apart. Warriors, Clippers, Suns and Lakers are all close to their expiry date.
But what we can and need to do is to start actually trying. We've been in the lottery for five years.

We won't just be able to go from 25 to 55 wins in a year. We need to rebuild the winning culture and have some failures while actually trying.
Then we'll most likely fail some more when we start making playoffs.
No all-time great ever has won without failing multiple times except for the likes of Timmy, Magic and Bird who got drafted by good teams.
If you're building from the ground up, it's going to be rough. Can't teach experience.

Considering PATFO's recent draft record, I'd rather have a couple of late teens picks than mid-lottery because players develop way better when they're actually trying to win.



What does a rip-off even mean? For me a rip-off is when teams that can't actually get over the hump throw everything at one trade, have a short window and fail.
If we use those picks we both suggested for Markkanen, we'd still have Hawks picks and all but one of our own picks. Without losing any important players.
Could either draft another potentially great player in the next few drafts or get more quality roster pieces.



I instantly thought of Markkanen trade when it happened because Ainge owns Minnesota already.

All really great points - just want to recognize how spot on you are, especially in regard to the steps of building to contention.

[baseline bum]

Sochan just turned 21 and most young guys are inconsistent. I don't rate him lower than Dyson Daniels, for instance, who similarly went into a package for Dejounte recently (alongside 2 picks worse than these). If they don't value his upside, then you pass. I'm including him because going forward Lauri + Castle make him somewhat expendable.
As for Charlotte '25, that's more of a throw in that he can sell as another first for PR purposes, I'm not expecting him to value him as a first other than to stroke his ego a bit. 2 young players, 2 good picks plus another first (fake) and 2nds sounds reasonable for a 1 time all star that is on an expiring contract. Maybe add ONE more pick if necessary. But that's not a bad offer at all, if GSW want to throw everything but the kitchen sink, Spurs shouldn't be stupid enough to enter that fight.

Ainge probably would rate Daniels over Sochan considering one is above replacement level and one is below and almost anyone would rate Markannen over Murray. One unprotected first, a top 8-10 protected first that might not convey, and a grab bag of crap isn't getting it done in a trade for a star coming off the year Markkanen is.

[Chinook]

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You almost have to wonder if Curry is threatening to ask out or something. The Warriors have been uber-aggressive this summer (at least in rhetoric) when they really should take some time to evaluate their roster before making moves.

[Mr. Body]

You almost have to wonder if Curry is threatening to ask out or something. The Warriors have been uber-aggressive this summer (at least in rhetoric) when they really should take some time to evaluate their roster before making moves.

They should just tear it down, then. They have their firsts and Lauri Markkanen ain't gonna do shit to get them back into the playoffs. Boy's at best a third option and, as I've shown elsewhere, he's purely good only by scale. He's not actually great in a steady state -- 14 ppg 6 rpg is your dude here and he's never sniffed the playoffs. What the hell is he gonna do for them if they sell the farm?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808246137209643120

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808243268209332733

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1808224687895306687

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808214128630419774

[R. DeMurre]

They should just tear it down, then. They have their firsts and Lauri Markkanen ain't gonna do shit to get them back into the playoffs. Boy's at best a third option and, as I've shown elsewhere, he's purely good only by scale. He's not actually great in a steady state -- 14 ppg 6 rpg is your dude here and he's never sniffed the playoffs. What the hell is he gonna do for them if they sell the farm?


:lol acting like you're a Nobel prize winning scientist who has actually proven something, when all of your arguments are borderline idiotic, and you're still running with the 14 & 6 line of utter bullshit.

[Chinook]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808246137209643120


This might seem like a lot, but given that it's a renegotiation, I have a feeling it's a big increase then decreases.

The Spurs need to figure out if they want to use the cap space they traded Dillingham to get or not at this point. A lot of decent pickups are getting signed for contracts the Spurs could probably beat pretty easily.

[vy65]

lol Fathead to GSW

[vy65]

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How does this affect Lauri, if at all?

[BatManu20]

Fat head to the dubs. Assuming he’s their starting 4. They’re still going for Markkanen.

[SpursFan86]

3 years/$27MM for Fathead seems pretty reasonable tbh

[Mr. Body]

:lol acting like you're a Nobel prize winning scientist who has actually proven something, when all of your arguments are borderline idiotic, and you're still running with the 14 & 6 line of utter bullshit.

What's borderline idiotic about showing that he's just a pretty good player whose usage went up by a whole bunch?

Dude, put your tiny cock back in your trousers. This dude ain't it and you slobbering clowns look fucking ridiculous.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808268164075004356

[R. DeMurre]

What's borderline idiotic about showing that he's just a pretty good player whose usage went up by a whole bunch?

.

Because his efficiency also went up, which wouldn't be the case if he was just a dude arbitrarily raising his usage rate to inflate his numbers. If he hadn't actually improved, his efficiency would go down as the new #1 option on a team and the main focus of opposing defenses.

[spurraider21]

guess Kyle is a 9 million player

signed 4/36 to join grizzlies, signed 2/18 with wolves, now 3/27 with warriors :lol

[Mr. Body]

Because his efficiency also went up, which wouldn't be the case if he was just a dude arbitrarily raising his usage rate to inflate his numbers. If he hadn't actually improved, his efficiency would go down as the new #1 option on a team and the main focus of opposing defenses.

Yeah, because his 3pt attempt rate went down because Hardy started getting him to shoot more often from inside. Who gives a shit? His usage rate went up and this is purely the reason why he's no longer just a glorified Andrea Bargnani. On another team, his usage will go down and he'll become wildly overpaid. Meanwhile he has defensive metrics in the deep negative and that ain't changing. No wonder Ainge wants to get rid of him. Don't you think he'd build around him if he was worth it?

He's a mirage.

[timtonymanu]

Probably gonna keep dicking around with this Markannen trade that will not happen and then we lose out on any other option and have to go back to Champenny at small forward

[Robz4000]

guess Kyle is a 9 million player

signed 4/36 to join grizzlies, signed 2/18 with wolves, now 3/27 with warriors :lol

Ninehead

[Dex]

I feel like the Spurs must have more draft capital to offer for Lauri, but we all know they are going to short-change it

[Mugen]

Godspeed, Fathead.

[Mugen]

Either shit or get off the Markannen pot tbh. That FA pool starting to try up.

[Robz4000]

Either shit or get off the Markannen pot tbh. That FA pool starting to try up.

If they're asking for 5 firsts and 5 swaps time to wash their hands of it imo.

[3&D_TBH]

Five firsts and five swaps?! Hahaha. There are only 4-5 dudes in the whole league I would give that up for tbh. Lmfa

[Robz4000]

Five firsts and five swaps?! Hahaha. There are only 4-5 dudes in the whole league I would give that up for tbh. Lmfa

Same, but it seems like that's the going rate these days.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Spurs should make sure they can clear space to offer him the max (if they feel he is worth it) next year and make sure he gets the message. If he wants to pair with Wemby he’ll be there next year for just the financial commitment. If he doesn’t want to be here you don’t want to waste those assets anyway.

[Dejounte]

Clippers trying to acquire Miles Bridges :lmao the anti-class organization

[scott]

Clippers looking at Miles Bridges. Wtf happened with the Clips that they want all the abusers?

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Same, but it seems like that's the going rate these days.

If you mean the Nets haul, those picks are from successful playoff teams in MIL and NYK. FRP have more value because of contract controls if you want them but the talent you get 20+ is worth a significant fraction of lottery picks and only slightly better than high SRP.

Would you trade the ATL 2025 unprotected for those 6 picks?

[exstatic]

Is it though? Ive seen Windy report he "thinks" the Spurs are inquiring and I've seen Lowe opine that he would be a good fit in SA but haven't seen any actual reports that SA has had any real talks about it.

When do you EVER hear anything definitive about the Spurs? They run a tight ship, and do not negotiate in the media like 20 something other NBA franchises.

[Robz4000]

If you mean the Nets haul, those picks are from successful playoff teams in MIL and NYK. FRP have more value because of contract controls if you want them but the talent you get 20+ is worth a significant fraction of lottery picks and only slightly better than high SRP.

Would you trade the ATL 2025 unprotected for those 6 picks?

:lol of course not. However, Utah also got the same sort of package for Gobert too and Ainge only makes trades that he feels he won. Been his MO since he was in Boston.

[exstatic]

Same, but it seems like that's the going rate these days.

The market is what teams will pay. Hours after the Bridges trade, Dejounte, with a very similar resume to Lauri (1 ASG), and more remaining years of team control, was traded for contracts, and two FRPs, neither of which is unprotected.

[exstatic]

:lol of course not. However, Utah also got the same sort of package for Gobert too and Ainge only makes trades that he feels he won. Been his MO since he was in Boston.
He’s on the clock, though. Wasn’t the Case with Gobert or Mitchell.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

:lol of course not. However, Utah also got the same sort of package for Gobert too and Ainge only makes trades that he feels he won. Been his MO since he was in Boston.

The Gobert trade got them a bunch of the Wolves picks who were a young team on the rise with KAT and Edwards already.

Ainge has a lot of treadmill or worse FRP.

Would you trade the ATL 2025 for the Gobert haul Ainge got?

[Robz4000]

The Gobert trade got them a bunch of the Wolves picks who were a young team on the rise with KAT and Edwards already.

Ainge has a lot of treadmill or worse FRP.

Would you trade the ATL 2025 for the Gobert haul Ainge got?

Absolutely since I think Minny will implode in the next few seasons tbh.

[Robz4000]

If the Spurs could get Markennan for some of the packages I've seen proposed they would've done so by now tbh. They might still be able to since they're essentially in a staring contest with Ainge; he could just hold out to torpedo whatever other plans/back-ups the Spurs have to try to force their hand. Better to just cut bait and move on to plan B.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs could get Markennan for some of the packages I've seen proposed they would've done so by now tbh. They might still be able to since they're essentially in a staring contest with Ainge; he could just hold out to torpedo whatever other plans/back-ups the Spurs have to try to force their hand. Better to just cut bait and move on to plan B.

Or, Ainge is desperately trying to wait out the clock on Devonte’s contract to see if any other credible offers appear. That’s his deadline for our offer, and if he accepts, it will be with an hour or less left on the guarantee/cut deadline. Fasten your seatbelts.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Or, Ainge is desperately trying to wait out the clock on Devonte’s contract to see if any other credible offers appear. That’s his deadline for our offer, and if he accepts, it will be with an hour or less left on the guarantee/cut deadline. Fasten your seatbelts.

What is Ainge limited by exactly and when is the deadline?

[Chinook]

If the Spurs could get Markennan for some of the packages I've seen proposed they would've done so by now tbh. They might still be able to since they're essentially in a staring contest with Ainge; he could just hold out to torpedo whatever other plans/back-ups the Spurs have to try to force their hand. Better to just cut bait and move on to plan B.

I don't know that the Spurs want to -- or should want to -- do this. I think it makes more sense for them to go into the year to see how much improvement the team shows with Paul and the react to that. If they're still in tanking condition, trade Paul and hope to not fuck up the draft. If they're showing progress, keep Paul and use some of of the expirings and assets to snag a guy at the deadline. Mark, Ingram, Randle, Butler and others -- they won't all have been extended. The Spurs can pay expiring price for them and still retain the option value to go in a different direction during the summer.

I'd still like them to do the Lopez trade if possible. It seems like another "level-up" move that could be tech'd into a tank if need be.

[Chinook]

Or, Ainge is desperately trying to wait out the clock on Devonte’s contract to see if any other credible offers appear. That’s his deadline for our offer, and if he accepts, it will be with an hour or less left on the guarantee/cut deadline. Fasten your seatbelts.

There's not really anything special about Graham's contract. The Spurs can complete a Mark trade whether they waive Devonte, guarantee him or trade him.

[Obstructed_View]

If they're asking for 5 firsts and 5 swaps time to wash their hands of it imo.
The Spurs don't have to give Utah what they ask for, they just have to offer more than anybody else.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs could get Markennan for some of the packages I've seen proposed they would've done so by now tbh. They might still be able to since they're essentially in a staring contest with Ainge; he could just hold out to torpedo whatever other plans/back-ups the Spurs have to try to force their hand. Better to just cut bait and move on to plan B.

Ainge is welcome to take someone else's lame package. He's welcome to keep his superstar who will fuck up his tanking plans and sign with the Spurs for free next summer.

See how that works?

[Wilt Chamberlain]

I don't know that the Spurs want to -- or should want to -- do this. I think it makes more sense for them to go into the year to see how much improvement the team shows with Paul and the react to that. If they're still in tanking condition, trade Paul and hope to not fuck up the draft. If they're showing progress, keep Paul and use some of of the expirings and assets to snag a guy at the deadline. Mark, Ingram, Randle, Butler and others -- they won't all have been extended. The Spurs can pay expiring price for them and still retain the option value to go in a different direction during the summer.

I'd still like them to do the Lopez trade if possible. It seems like another "level-up" move that could be tech'd into a tank if need be.

This is decision making surrendering to fear.

Spurs controlled their tank all season and ended the season on a tear instead of improving their lottery odds. I am not sure what another year of evaluation is going to bring. It would seem the Spurs already have theirs.

[Robz4000]

Ainge is welcome to take someone else's lame package. He's welcome to keep his superstar who will fuck up his tanking plans and sign with the Spurs for free next summer.

See how that works?

Doubt he comes here unless the Spurs trade for him tbh.

[Robz4000]

Isn't this the same player a lot of ST was shitting on when he was mentioned in DePression S&T talks a couple years ago? I like the idea of getting him in a bubble but I still feel he isn't the kind of player worth a max tbh.

[Chinook]

This is decision making surrendering to fear.

It really isn't. It's like waiting to see if your project at work is going to wrap up before buying a plane ticket to Cabo. A lot of factors are going to go into whether the Spurs will carry their post-ASB momentum into this fall. The Spurs should see what they need to improve rather than panicking and making a trade so fans don't call them wusses.

[exstatic]

What is Ainge limited by exactly and when is the deadline?

When Devontes contract guarantee deadline anpproaches, and the Spurs waive him, that’s the end of our offer for this summer. He’s the salary out, an ending contract. That’s in like 4 days, maybe 5.

[exstatic]

There's not really anything special about Graham's contract. The Spurs can complete a Mark trade whether they waive Devonte, guarantee him or trade him.

They’d be giving up contracts and players they don’t want to, but technically,probably yes. I think his deadline is probably the end of their interest this summer.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

When Devontes contract guarantee deadline anpproaches, and the Spurs waive him, that’s the end of our offer for this summer. He’s the salary out, an ending contract. That’s in like 4 days, maybe 5.

That is beautiful. Ainge is squawking and the Spurs are setting deadlines.

[Chinook]

They’d be giving up contracts and players they don’t want to, but technically,probably yes. I think his deadline is probably the end of their interest this summer.

I don't think they have any interest in taking Mark into cap space.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

It really isn't. It's like waiting to see if your project at work is going to wrap up before buying a plane ticket to Cabo. A lot of factors are going to go into whether the Spurs will carry their post-ASB momentum into this fall. The Spurs should see what they need to improve rather than panicking and making a trade so fans don't call them wusses.

Because you are afraid the momentum won't carry and the players will not develop. You are reacting to that fear and turtling.

[Dejounte]

Isn't this the same player a lot of ST was shitting on when he was mentioned in DePression S&T talks a couple years ago? I like the idea of getting him in a bubble but I still feel he isn't the kind of player worth a max tbh.

Players improve tbh. White wasn’t all that when he was here, now he’s hot shit that anyone is willing to pay high dollar for.

[Dejounte]

Yeah wait why hasnt Graham been waived if nothing is happening? Insert Windhorst meme

[scott]

Yeah wait why hasnt Graham been waived if nothing is happening? Insert Windhorst meme

Just buying more time to hammer out the details of his 3/50 extension.

[Robz4000]

Players improve tbh. White wasn’t all that when he was here, now he’s hot shit that anyone is willing to pay high dollar for.

White was doing what he's doing in Boston his second season tbh, injuries just derailed him for years. Markennan is doing what he was doing in Chicago, just in a larger role on a shit team.

[Chinook]

Because you are afraid the momentum won't carry and the players will not develop. You are reacting to that fear and turtling.

No. It's because I'm not equating roster evaluation to something a basal as fear and machismo

[LeBowen]

White was doing what he's doing in Boston his second season tbh, injuries just derailed him for years. Markennan is doing what he was doing in Chicago, just in a larger role on a shit team.

Derrick's shot improved drastically since he got traded.
In his 39 playoff games with the Celtics, he's at 42% on 7 attempts, that's elite.

[Robz4000]

Derrick's shot improved drastically since he got traded.
In his 39 playoff games with the Celtics, he's at 42% on 7 attempts, that's elite.

He steps up his game in the postseason like a true baller, did the same against Denver in 2019. DePression and LMA just ended up being too heavy to carry.

[Dejounte]

White was doing what he's doing in Boston his second season tbh, injuries just derailed him for years. Markennan is doing what he was doing in Chicago, just in a larger role on a shit team.

Narratives created by what team players are on ESPECIALLY when they didn’t choose to be on those teams are weak narratives, IMO. If the Spurs traded White to the Jazz and is performing exactly the same way he is now, that doesn’t make him a worse player just as Lauri performing well on a shit team shouldn’t make him a bad player.

[Degoat]

Just curious, what’s everyone’s thoughts on Keldon going further? He seems like the odd man out but I feel like he had to sacrifice more than anyone last season. I think the Sochan PG experiment hurt his production at the start of the season pretty significantly.

[jjspur]

Five firsts and five swaps?! Hahaha. There are only 4-5 dudes in the whole league I would give that up for tbh. Lmfa

There isn't anybody in the league worth that much, especially Markkanen. If Markkanen is worth that, then Wemby is worth 10 1st round picks and 5 pick swaps. Just kidding, Wemby is worth a lot but not that much. Asking for so much draft capital and players is getting truly ridiculous. Can't believe that teams would pay that much for a wannabe all star like Markkanen. Some smart GM's know that there are stupid GM's that fall for almost anything. Hopefully Wright isn't one of the stupid GM's and gives away the farm.

[Obstructed_View]

Doubt he comes here unless the Spurs trade for him tbh.
Point is, he's leaving for nothing if they don't trade him. They need to trade him more than the Spurs need to acquire him.

[tbdog]

Just curious, what’s everyone’s thoughts on Keldon going further? He seems like the odd man out but I feel like he had to sacrifice more than anyone last season. I think the Sochan PG experiment hurt his production at the start of the season pretty significantly.

He is the odd man out because it doesn't appear he has progressed in the last 2 years. Plus his contact is tradeable and has some size to it to upgrade. But he still serves a need for the team.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

No. It's because I'm not equating roster evaluation to something a basal as fear and machismo

It is nothing so profound. You lack confidence in a favorable outcome and have your strategy to hedge against it.

[Robz4000]

Narratives created by what team players are on ESPECIALLY when they didn’t choose to be on those teams are weak narratives, IMO. If the Spurs traded White to the Jazz and is performing exactly the same way he is now, that doesn’t make him a worse player just as Lauri performing well on a shit team shouldn’t make him a bad player.

Never said he was a bad player tbh. I'm on board with the Spurs trading for him, but not at the expense of a lot of draft capital or whatever possible other plans they had this offseason. I don't see him as Wemby's future sidekick (think he'd be more 3A/3B with Vassell when they're ready to contend).

[Robz4000]

Point is, he's leaving for nothing if they don't trade him. They need to trade him more than the Spurs need to acquire him.

If they throw the bag at him he'll stay. Not sure if that's in Ainge's plans but he could sign him now and trade him down the line.

[exstatic]

If they throw the bag at him he'll stay. Not sure if that's in Ainge's plans but he could sign him now and trade him down the line.

It’s kind of bubbled out through the grapevine that he won’t be happy with further tanking in his prime, and it’s not like we can’t throw a bag at him.

[mystargtr34]

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[Pauleta14]

When Devontes contract guarantee deadline anpproaches, and the Spurs waive him, that’s the end of our offer for this summer. He’s the salary out, an ending contract. That’s in like 4 days, maybe 5.

The 8th of July

[Chinook]

It is nothing so profound. You lack confidence in a favorable outcome and have your strategy to hedge against it.

You can only believe I favor a conservative roster build because you don't read anything I write. I spilled thousands of words talking about scenarios where the Spurs were significantly more aggressive than anything they are in a position to do now.

I'm glad though that we're off the idea of fear and are now talking about confidence. However, the Spurs have not indicated they WANT to accelerate this year, so it doesn't make sense to frame it as a confidence thing either. Do the Spurs expect to improve to the point where they want to make a win-now trade? We don't know that. So what should one be confident in: the idea that the Spurs FO is in a win-now mindset or confident that the roster will perform well enough to where the team will be in a win-now position whether the FO wants it or not?

[Pauleta14]

Just curious, what’s everyone’s thoughts on Keldon going further? He seems like the odd man out but I feel like he had to sacrifice more than anyone last season. I think the Sochan PG experiment hurt his production at the start of the season pretty significantly.

I think it's more his new 6th man role that he stugled with. I'm waiting to see if he gets better a it to have a definitive judgement.

Other than that his main + is his decreasing contract that makes him an attractive asset.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

You can only believe I favor a conservative roster build because you don't read anything I write. I spilled thousands of words talking about scenarios where the Spurs were significantly more aggressive than anything they are in a position to do now.

I'm glad though that we're off the idea of fear and are now talking about confidence. However, the Spurs have not indicated they WANT to accelerate this year, so it doesn't make sense to frame it as a confidence thing either. Do the Spurs expect to improve to the point where they want to make a win-now trade? We don't know that. So what should one be confident in: the idea that the Spurs FO is in a win-now mindset or confident that the roster will perform well enough to where the team will be in a win-now position whether the FO wants it or not?

I am talking management strategies and you are taking it all personal. Relax.

You want to hold on to the chance to tank with Wemby already on the roster because you are concerned about a negative performance.

[Chinook]

You want to hold on to the chance to tank with Wemby already on the roster because you are concerned about a negative performance.

Saying inaccurate things impersonally doesn't stop them from being inaccurate.

The FO needs to react to the team they have. They've clearly shown that inclination by giving Paul the deal they did. As has been mentioned, his contract is very deliberate to allow him to be waived with no hindrance to his next team. Reporting has come out that the Spurs have made their moves this summer with 2025 flexibility in mind. They punted on a top-10 draft pick to save money and roster spots for who I consider to be lesser players. They made choices to not necessarily build the most competitive team they could have in the near team. Saying they need to see how the decisions they made affect their team and how the season as a whole affects other potential trade targets is far more complicated than boiling it down to fear, confidence or concern would allow.

If the team waits, not only can it see how its players are going to perform and thus know how much win-now investment would make sense. They'd also have a chance to bring in talent for less cost than they would pay right now. Ex thinks Utah is worried about Graham's guarantee date for some reason. But if the Jazz let the Markkanen situation linger past the floor deadline, they lose their ability to renegotiate and extend him. At that point, he's a pure expiring and isn't going to go for anywhere near what people are talking about now. So would the Spurs playing for that scenario be a matter of fear or foresight? Would paying twice as much be more virtuous?


I am talking management strategies and you are taking it all personal. Relax.

This is complicated stuff, and because we're randos with no insight into the team's thoughts, all we can do is talk about the many different ways the team can approach these situations. This has nothing to do with personal or impersonal. It's about accurate and inaccurate. What you said didn't align with the many posts I've made on the topic, and the conclusions you drew weren't supported by the post you quoted. A poster made a whole confusing thread built entirely on the premise that I was too aggressive in what I wanted the team to do this summer. It's almost like that Andrew Neil/Ben Shapiro thing.

[Dverde]

Feels like Zack Collins would be getting one of these 3 years for 27M deals like fathead. PATFO made a poor decision on that contract extension, I still think he will play better next year.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Saying inaccurate things impersonally doesn't stop them from being inaccurate.


I think it makes more sense for them to go into the year to see how much improvement the team shows with Paul and the react to that. If they're still in tanking condition, trade Paul and hope to not fuck up the draft.

IOW, you want to make sure if the team does not improve, you can still tank.

I stopped reading after the first sentence because it is muchado about something else.

[spurraider21]

Did Chinook bang Wilt’s mom?

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Did Chinook bang Wilt’s mom?

Odds are I banged yours, son.

[Atl Spur]

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lol!!! Shame on you!!!!

[NASpurs]

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[Dejounte]

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Will this eliminate them out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

[Degoat]

I was just watching Buddy Hield highlights and thinking why has nobody signed him yet lol something has to be brewing with the spurs because it makes no sense that we didn’t target any shooting in free agency.

Also the whole Devonte Graham situation is confusing, business is business but why would graham and his camp agree to move his deadline date back to July 8th, money is gonna be tied by then for the entire nba and less roster spots available as well for him.

[scott]

Will this eliminate them out of the Lauri sweepstakes?

What I have seen by some capologist folks online: no, it won't.

[UnWantedTheory]

https://spurstalk.boards.net/
Wow. That shit is fucking weird. Lol

[exstatic]

I don't think they have any interest in taking Mark into cap space.

Pray tell why not?

[exstatic]

It is nothing so profound. You lack confidence in a favorable outcome and have your strategy to hedge against it.

Congratulations. You’ve just described ST to a ‘T’.

[vy65]

What I have seen by some capologist folks online: no, it won't.

Would depend on what his new contract numbers would be, but Hield made 22MM last year. Even assuming that number went down to 15 or something, that would still put GSW into the first apron, so all of those restrictions would apply to an eventual Lauri trade. If Wiggins goes out and Lauri’s 18MM or so comes back, that could still work based on my math, but it’s getting harder for GSW to make moves

[exstatic]

Odds are I banged yours, son.

1/10000

[exstatic]

I was just watching Buddy Hield highlights and thinking why has nobody signed him yet lol something has to be brewing with the spurs because it makes no sense that we didn’t target any shooting in free agency.

Also the whole Devonte Graham situation is confusing, business is business but why would graham and his camp agree to move his deadline date back to July 8th, money is gonna be tied by then for the entire nba and less roster spots available as well for him.

There’s a chance he goes out in trade, and his full deal will have to be guaranteed for that to happen. That’s worth a bit of a wait.

[Chinook]

Pray tell why not?

Because he'll either be too much salary or they'll need to jettison salary to be able to renegotiate themselves. Either way, they'll want to send out the salary as part of a Mark trade rather than absorb him with space.

[Chinook]

Did Chinook bang Wilt’s mom?

I figure that account is someone's alt. They're resorting to "didnt read lol" strats from like 10 years ago.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Warriors out there working on big moves despite being capped out while our front office is hunting for draft picks next decade. Awesome

[Mr. Body]

Warriors out there working on big moves despite being capped out while our front office is hunting for draft picks next decade. Awesome

Would you swap their situation with ours?

[Pauleta14]

What about him? Good all around and 3pts shooter...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1808492466288390376

[CGD]

What about him? Good all around and 3pts shooter...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1808492466288390376

Is he up for a mega deal from Real? Seems like a leverage play

[Pauleta14]

Is he up for a mega deal from Real? Seems like a leverage play

No, Real Madrid officially announced his 5y extention but he has a clause to return to the NBA until July 20th for less than $1M

[Spurs Homer]

So, nothing for giving away our #8 pick yet?

Fucking incompetence.

[Leetonidas]

I would guess we might hear about more Spurs moves after the moratorium ends on Saturday. Doubt we'll hear anything else before then

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1808521978271207500

[Chinook]

From the little I've seen, Hezonja still hasn't learned shit and thinks the NBA did him wrong rather than realizing he didn't show up to the league with the right mentality. I would expect he'd want a pretty big deal and guarantees he'd start and get touches. The team has a potential hole at SF, but Mario would only be a candidate to fill that, and I think the team would want flexibility to go in another direction in 2025. I don't think he's a Spurs player, but if they could get that flexibility, they might be able to give him a first-year salary large enough to secure his services.

[JuneJive]

Hezonja has kinda gotten better after he left.

His shot is pretty decent, but overall, I think he likes being a big fish in a small pond.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808534967380488359

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1808538203068248222

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are just waiting to help facilitate trades. There‘s still Trae Young to the Heat smoke and a DeRozan sign and trade waiting to happen. I‘m sure we can get into these deals with Grahams contract and secure some 2nd round picks or a good player. That‘s probably what Wright is waiting on.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs are just waiting to help facilitate trades. There‘s still Trae Young to the Heat smoke and a DeRozan sign and trade waiting to happen. I‘m sure we can get into these deals with Grahams contract and secure some 2nd round picks or a good player. That‘s probably what Wright is waiting on.

Yup. They seemed to strongly signal this by saying they didn't want longterm salary, not yet. I'm sure they're open to bargains but otherwise they'll grease a trade here or there and accumulate a bit more.

[spurraider21]

i remember liking hezonja a lot during that draft, but man he really faceplanted in the league. very jimmer-esque. he kept thinking he was better than he was

[R. DeMurre]

The Warriors this off season are a great illustration of how reality imposes itself on a team hoping to do big things: they started out wanting to land Paul George, but when that didn't happen they turned their attention to Markkanen, and in the end they're probably going to wind up with Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. And that's with billionaire ownership. Bob Myers saved himself a lot of headaches and heartaches getting out when he did, knowing that the end of their run probably just wasn't fixable.

[exstatic]

The Warriors this off season are a great illustration of how reality imposes itself on a team hoping to do big things: they started out wanting to land Paul George, but when that didn't happen they turned their attention to Markkanen, and in the end they're probably going to wind up with Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. And that's with billionaire ownership. Bob Myers saved himself a lot of headaches and heartaches getting out when he did, knowing that the end of their run probably just wasn't fixable.

I don’t think that was it. He got overruled twice by Lacob’s failson, and GS picked Wiseman over LaMelo,Vassell,Hali and Kuminga over Wagner.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808583649912312120

[Wilt Chamberlain]

I figure that account is someone's alt. They're resorting to "didnt read lol" strats from like 10 years ago.

I explained why I don't read your word salads. You write four sentences when one would do.

i don't know about 10 years ago but your bloated writing was bad style 500 years ago too. You are objectively a shitty writer.

Your still afraid things might not work out and want to hedge.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1808613165594259586

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808610319008248169

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1808592551114355081

[scott]

Was hoping we could sign Prince and get Clarkson in the deal for Lauri so we could have the Prince/Clarkson/Bassey San Antonio HS Hoops hall of fame reunion

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1808693688991953036

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1808667872073265431

[BatManu20]

Not happening but imagine the meltdown in here if DDR returned to The Alamo City :lol

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[NASpurs]

Not happening but imagine the meltdown in here if DDR returned to The Alamo City :lol

1808691438819102729

Didn't the dude almost blow his brains out at a Jack in the Box parking lot when he found out he got traded to SA? Yeah he ain't coming back. :lol

[Degoat]

Bring ‘em back baby!! Lmao this website would be down for a month if that happened

[NASpurs]

Imagine the lineup of Tre, Castle, DDR, Sochan, and Wemby.:lol

[BatManu20]

DeFrozen pls :cry

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[scott]

Imagine the lineup of Tre, Castle, DDR, Sochan, and Wemby.:lol

"Spurs 2-38 from 3, all of which were wide open, in a 121-72 loss to the Hornets"

[Chinook]

If they had drafted Sheppard and Knecht or even Williams and Carter, then DeRozan would've made sense even with Paul on the roster. He doesn't entirely not make sense now, but the fit is less elegant

Paul, Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Castle, Branham
DeRozan, Johnson, Champangie
Sochan, Mamukelashvili, Cissoko
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

That's two units with questionable shooting and too many cooks in the starting-lineup kitchen. MAYBE the Spurs trade Sochan, Jones and Branham in a Markkanen deal. Even then I'd want DeMar to come off the bench

Paul, Lowry (room exception), Wesley
Vassell, DeRozan, Okogie
Castle, Johnson, Champangie
Markkanen, Mamukelashvili, Cissoko
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

[BackHome]

As long as Wemby gets his 15 lob dunks everyone will be Happy :flag:

[scott]

Alright for real... what's up with Lonnie? I wouldn't mind him back to push Branham for backup SG minutes, though I don't think there will be many. CP3-Tre-Vassell-Castle should soak up most if not all of the SG minutes. I imagine Castle gets run at PG, SG, and SF, with him starting at SF.

[Chinook]

Alright for real... what's up with Lonnie? I wouldn't mind him back to push Branham for backup SG minutes, though I don't think there will be many. CP3-Tre-Vassell-Castle should soak up most if not all of the SG minutes. I imagine Castle gets run at PG, SG, and SF, with him starting at SF.

As Ex will gleefully point out, Lonnie's not a good basketball player. He's talented and still flashes. But at his best he's a slight positive, and most of the time, he's a strong negative. I'm sure he's a high-character guy. But he either can't respond to coaching or won't. I think he needs to go to Europe for a few years to see if he can figure some things out and maybe have a second NBA stint in his 30s. For the min, I'd rather bring Mills back. Patty can wave those towels with the best of them and can hit some threes. I think with three two-way slots, they can use the 15th spot on an old player who's going to be more of a coach than anything else. Give Paul someone to talk to.

[R. DeMurre]

I don’t think that was it. He got overruled twice by Lacob’s failson, and GS picked Wiseman over LaMelo,Vassell,Hali and Kuminga over Wagner.

yeah, that could definitely play into it too... I've read the rumors in multiple places that he was overruled in drafts, but I don't know for sure how factual that is.

[AusSpur]

Papa DeMar coming home :lol

[Pauleta14]

If Keldon is traded why not a 6th man role for DDR?

[PhantomDashCam]

The Warriors this off season are a great illustration of how reality imposes itself on a team hoping to do big things: they started out wanting to land Paul George, but when that didn't happen they turned their attention to Markkanen, and in the end they're probably going to wind up with Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. And that's with billionaire ownership. Bob Myers saved himself a lot of headaches and heartaches getting out when he did, knowing that the end of their run probably just wasn't fixable.

They went from FOMO to SLOW-MO…

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1808858472177447090

[Ice009]

Didn't the dude almost blow his brains out at a Jack in the Box parking lot when he found out he got traded to SA? Yeah he ain't coming back. :lol

Did he actually say he didn't want to come here when he was traded? If so, Spurs shouldn't bother wasting their time.

[Dverde]

Did he actually say he didn't want to come here when he was traded? If so, Spurs shouldn't bother wasting their time.
He never said it like that, but I doubt he’d be crying in a fast food parking lot if he got traded to the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

Yup. They seemed to strongly signal this by saying they didn't want longterm salary, not yet. I'm sure they're open to bargains but otherwise they'll grease a trade here or there and accumulate a bit more.

Then again they also leaked out how much they loved Salaun and Carter while being tight lipped on Castle who they clearly loved so can't believe shit coming from the front office.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Keldon is traded why not a 6th man role for DDR?

he would never accept coming off the bench tbh

[baseline bum]

I don’t think that was it. He got overruled twice by Lacob’s failson, and GS picked Wiseman over LaMelo,Vassell,Hali and Kuminga over Wagner.

:lol

I forgot the story here. What was it?

[baseline bum]

"Spurs 2-38 from 3, all of which were wide open, in a 121-72 loss to the Hornets"

Sounds like a nice Tanking For Traore, Failing For Flagg kind of signing.

[Mr. Body]

Then again they also leaked out how much they loved Salaun and Carter while being tight lipped on Castle who they clearly loved so can't believe shit coming from the front office.

Well, no one can steal their team building strategy while someone can steal the player they like in the draft.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1808896145818857848

[LeBowen]

Damn, Knicks are actually stacked.
Hopefully they can stay healthy, I want to see them have a go at Celtics.

Brunson/McBride
Bridges/DiVincenzo
OG/Hart
Randle/KBD
Robinson/?

They just need to find a cheap big for the regular season, I expect Randle to spend a lot of minutes at C in the playoffs.

[RC_Drunkford]

1808739629165682721

[poopbox]

Alright for real... what's up with Lonnie? I wouldn't mind him back to push Branham for backup SG minutes, though I don't think there will be many. CP3-Tre-Vassell-Castle should soak up most if not all of the SG minutes. I imagine Castle gets run at PG, SG, and SF, with him starting at SF.

Lonnie left the Spurs 5 seconds into free agency and his agent told the Spurs he wouldn't sign his qualifying offer He obviously didn't like it here, and I don't blame him for the way he was jerked out of his minutes. 0 percent chance he comes back to the Spurs. Like I legit think if the Spurs were the only team offering him a contract he would go play in Europe instead.

[poopbox]

Did he actually say he didn't want to come here when he was traded? If so, Spurs shouldn't bother wasting their time.

He never said he didn't want to come back, he just wasn't interested in playin for the Spurs for anything less than the max. And then he went and played for the Bulls for not even a 100 million dollars

When you won't play for one team for anything less than what they can pay you but you will play for another team for way less than that...you probably didn't want to play for that first team in the first place.

[SpursFan86]

1808927751694659961

Buddy Hield to GS is official.

Melton + Hield are both solid pickups…don’t think they’ll hurt too bad after losing Klay. If they landed Markannen too that Curry/Hield/Markannen lineup is going to be insane on offense.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He never said he didn't want to come back, he just wasn't interested in playin for the Spurs for anything less than the max. And then he went and played for the Bulls for not even a 100 million dollars

When you won't play for one team for anything less than what they can pay you but you will play for another team for way less than that...you probably didn't want to play for that first team in the first place.

He wanted a 3-year deal and the Spurs would only offer 2 years.

[SpursFan86]

1808932735819657226

Damn, I would’ve loved to have him come here on this kind of deal. CP3/Hield/Castle/Sochan/Wemby starting 5 would be solid.

[Chinook]

You can't have a player option on a non-guaranteed year if it's following a year that has a guarantee. Maybe that changed with the new CBA, but there's potentially some misreporting there.

[Mr. Body]

Word is the Hield S&T is getting folded into how they're getting Kyle Anderson and moving Klay to the Mavs. Or something. Either way, the Warriors are essentially 'trading' Klay for Kyle Anderson and Buddy Hield. Hield's production is falling, but so was KT's. Overall probably pretty good move.

[scott]

1808932735819657226

Damn, I would’ve loved to have him come here on this kind of deal. CP3/Hield/Castle/Sochan/Wemby starting 5 would be solid.

I wouldn't bench Vassell for Hield.

Hield would have been a very interesting bench piece for the Spurs, but I'm not crying in my cheerios over this one.

[SpursFan86]

I wouldn't bench Vassell for Hield.

Hield would have been a very interesting bench piece for the Spurs, but I'm not crying in my cheerios over this one.

I had a brain fart tbh, definitely starting Vassell over Hield :lol But yeah I think Hield would be a great bench piece for that sort of money. Or could have Castle come off the bench.

[Spurs9]

Lakers now going after Kuzma :clap

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't bench Vassell for Hield.

Hield would have been a very interesting bench piece for the Spurs, but I'm not crying in my cheerios over this one.

Hield was unplayable against the Knicks.
He'd be a decent traffic cone that hits 3s for the regular season, but then we could've just kept Doug.

[Mr. Body]

Kings sub is fun to read right now. They think Hield signing with GSW is hilarious.

[JuneJive]

What about Ingram?
He's not mentioned in connection to the Spurs.

He's a versatile scorer, and a solid playmaker to boot.

And the price wouldn't be that high.

[DAF86]

1808932735819657226

Damn, I would’ve loved to have him come here on this kind of deal. CP3/Hield/Castle/Sochan/Wemby starting 5 would be solid.

WTF? Why are you benching Vassell in favour of Hield? :lol

[DAF86]

I had a brain fart tbh, definitely starting Vassell over Hield :lol But yeah I think Hield would be a great bench piece for that sort of money. Or could have Castle come off the bench.

Oh, ok. :lol

[Pauleta14]

he would never accept coming off the bench tbh

I doubt it too

But that would be a great fit, energy off the bench and mentoring 2nd unit while CP3 takes care of the 1st

I'd give him 2years +30M to convince him

Not sure DDR can get more elsewhere

It's all about PATFO being able to convince him regading the role, it could offer him a nice career ending if he's smart.

[RC_Drunkford]

I doubt it too

But that would be a great fit, energy off the bench and mentoring 2nd unit while CP3 takes care of the 1st

I'd give him 2years +30M to convince him

Not sure DDR can get more elsewhere

It's all about PATFO being able to convince him regading the role, it could offer him a nice career ending if he's smart.

15 million per year is MLE money. He refuses to sign with teams cause he wants more, probably around 25 million which is close to what he earned on the Bulls. We can offer him that, but I'd only sign him for one year. DeRozan doesn't make sense at all. If we trade for Markkanen, give me DeRozan for a year so we can make a deep playoff run and then workout a sign and trade next offseason where we get some assets back.

[Pauleta14]

15 million per year is MLE money. He refuses to sign with teams cause he wants more, probably around 25 million which is close to what he earned on the Bulls. We can offer him that, but I'd only sign him for one year. DeRozan doesn't make sense at all. If we trade for Markkanen, give me DeRozan for a year so we can make a deep playoff run and then workout a sign and trade next offseason where we get some assets back.

That would be the idea. Same idea than cp3

Short term deals a little above narket that can be traded, both side have something to gain out of it and keep some freedom if the exp is a failure.

With or without Lauri, it'd make a lot of sense imo

[RC_Drunkford]

Another interesting target. What y‘all saying?

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[scott]

Another interesting target. What y‘all saying?

1809041884683120732

Man if people hate Trae, Garland and Lauri, they're really gonna hate Simons :lol

He'd be an interesting 6th man if we shipped out Keldon to get Lauri, IMO.

[DPG21920]

Man if people hate Trae, Garland and Lauri, they're really gonna hate Simons :lol

He'd be an interesting 6th man if we shipped out Keldon to get Lauri, IMO.

Agree - great for a 6th man and better than Keldon for SA due to 3Ball and ability to play “PG” in a pinch. Could maybe start if CP3 wasn’t here unlike Keldon due to 3 ball etc…but not someone I rate super highly

[Mr. Body]

Passing on Dillingham seems a sign that they don't value that type of small no-defense scorer.

[cutewizard]

Can we get Brook Lopez guys?

[cutewizard]

We need additional frontcourt guys

[RC_Drunkford]

Passing on Dillingham seems a sign that they don't value that type of small no-defense scorer.

6'3'' with a 6'7'' wingspan ain't exactly small for a PG

[AusSpur]

6'3'' with a 6'7'' wingspan ain't exactly small for a PG


164 pounds though, and he had a 6'3 wingspan

[mystargtr34]

164 pounds though, and he had a 6'3 wingspan

He’s talking about Simons

[RC_Drunkford]

164 pounds though, and he had a 6'3 wingspan

I'm talking about Simons not Dillingham

[RC_Drunkford]

I guess Spurs and Heat are talking

1808943638623170981


There have been Heat trade discussions with teams - including one with substantial cap space - though further details are unclear. One of the sources said Miami also wants to see what good players become available in the trade market in the days and weeks ahead.”

[AusSpur]

I'm talking about Simons not Dillingham

My bad, carry on.

[Pauleta14]

Can we get Brook Lopez guys?

I'd bet he's on PATFO's list, but what order of priority...

We'll know better arround the 8th when Graham's contract's extention kicks

[Vienna]

6'3'' with a 6'7'' wingspan ain't exactly small for a PG

he is 6‘1, wingspan 6‘3“, reach 7‘11“, 164 lbs.
he IS exactly small, also for a PG.

[RC_Drunkford]

he is 6‘1, wingspan 6‘3“, reach 7‘11“, 164 lbs.
he IS exactly small, also for a PG.

learn how to read first. Let me put in bold for your slowass.


I'm talking about Simons not Dillingham

[Mr. Body]

6'3'' with a 6'7'' wingspan ain't exactly small for a PG

Call him what you want, he's an awful defender. Guess size doesn't automatically translate to defense, huh?

[BatManu20]

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[Leetonidas]

As expected with the CP3 signing

[CGD]

As expected with the CP3 signing

Or just that they were never really that interested in him period, or certainly not at Atlanta’s insane price.

[RC_Drunkford]

Call him what you want, he's an awful defender. Guess size doesn't automatically translate to defense, huh?

Malaki Branham is living proof of that

[vy65]

lol wanting Ingram now

[Chinook]

1809221604032794898

Since the Hawks now own LAL25, you could see a path toward something like:

Lakers: filler (because who cares? it's not going to happen), LAL29, LAL31, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30 for Young

Spurs give: ATL25, ATL 27 and let the swap rights for ATL26 extinguish for LAL 25, NOP27/MKE27 (worse), LAL 29 and LAL 31

Hawks Give: Young, LAL25 and NOP27/MKE27 (worse) for filler, ATL25, ATL27, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30

The Lakers get Young
The Spurs swap out the Hawks' near future for the Lakers' distant future
The Hawks get their future back and still net some value from the Lakers.

The Spurs doing this would depend on how much they value having extra picks in distant years. I'm not one of those people who believes the Hawks picks need to be kept at all costs, so getting four firsts in exchange for two firsts and a swap is enough to make me consider it. LAL's future isn't great, so having so many of their picks would be interesting. But the lack of control over LAL26-LAL28 or LAL30 is a bit of a wet blanket. The 2027 pick doesn't project to be great, but guaranteed firsts always have uses in mega trades.

[r0drig0lac]

wing with playmaking skills....
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1809236741787644403

[Chinook]

Amico has no credibility.

Anyway, Ingram wouldn't be bad on paper, especially because NOP seems to really want a center who can shoot. They'd see Collins as decent filler But before Deeps slides in here, I don't know if I'd trade Keldon/Collins and firsts for Ingram. Maybe if he agreed to a reasonable extension (which would have to meet the extend-and-trade requirements and thus only be for two years), you could justify a couple of seconds. I'd be more inclined to add in some better picks if we were talking Graham and Collins as the outgoing salary.

[CGD]

wing with playmaking skills....
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1809236741787644403

This is hilarious. All these links to the Spurs, make me believe NONE of the links to the Spurs (including Markenen) are serious.

On the flip side, i guess it shows Wemby they are "trying"

[Leetonidas]

Amico is trash

[montgod]

wing with playmaking skills....
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1809236741787644403

Except for in the 4th qtr of the playoffs. Probably just using Spurs for traction, doubt the Spurs are actually interested

[Seventyniner]

Since the Hawks now own LAL25, you could see a path toward something like:

Lakers: filler (because who cares? it's not going to happen), LAL29, LAL31, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30 for Young

Spurs give: ATL25, ATL 27 and let the swap rights for ATL26 extinguish for LAL 25, NOP27/MKE27 (worse), LAL 29 and LAL 31

Hawks Give: Young, LAL25 and NOP27/MKE27 (worse) for filler, ATL25, ATL27, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30

The Lakers get Young
The Spurs swap out the Hawks' near future for the Lakers' distant future
The Hawks get their future back and still net some value from the Lakers.

The Spurs doing this would depend on how much they value having extra picks in distant years. I'm not one of those people who believes the Hawks picks need to be kept at all costs, so getting four firsts in exchange for two firsts and a swap is enough to make me consider it. LAL's future isn't great, so having so many of their picks would be interesting. But the lack of control over LAL26-LAL28 or LAL30 is a bit of a wet blanket. The 2027 pick doesn't project to be great, but guaranteed firsts always have uses in mega trades.

If you really want to bend your brain, find a way to rope in the Jazz and route Markkanen to the Spurs, using some Lakers future draft control as the incentive for Utah, including unprotecting the 2027 Lakers first.

[Dverde]

wing with playmaking skills....
https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1809236741787644403

No way Spurs want him around Wemby :lol

Spurs are going to be tied to ever trade possibility since they still have cap-space and draft picks.

[TD 21]

Collins can't shoot and I'd have no interest in Ingram (injury prone, more of a secondary play maker, not really 3 and D and not very efficient because he doesn't make up for the lack of volume 3 with volume free throw's) and I highly doubt the Spurs would either.

At this point, they're clearly just being thrown around with every big name thought to be available because they have the means, a lack of a true second option and the media wants them to speed up the re-build.

[Degoat]

In my opinion the spurs are turning over every stone and have a set price for what they would pay for a complimentary star and teams aren’t settling for it, just my thoughts.

Maybe it is because spurs have wemby/picks but the Demar interest points to them looking for upgrades in any way.

[Mr. Body]

NOPe don't want Brandon Ingram.

Ingram wants his bag and...

Imo we're starting to see a further huge impact of the CBA. I don't think anyone in the league wants to pay Brandon Ingram the max, and he's probably not alone. Is Darius Garland worth the max? Is Lauri Markkanen worth the max?

Teams, we now see, can get into incredible trouble maxing these 'pretty good' players who aren't really doing it in terms of winning. Injury prone, or limited skill sets, and so on. A lot of teams are already in cap hell; other teams don't want to join them.

It'll be fascinating to see whether these mid-tier players see what's happening and how they react.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[slick'81]

1809217798167474234

the heat have interest in everyone

[Chinook]

I'm starting to wonder if ANYONE has interest in Markkanen at this point. Like if the Heat with their one first-round pick that can be traded (two picks can be traded but one might disappear if MIA25 or MIA27 doesn't convey) can get into discussions, then there really isn't a market here. It's been pretty clear that people don't actually think Herro is valuable. Sure Miami has Ware, but the Jazz have so many young centers already that I doubt he'd be actual value. So either Miami is legit able to throw around their nothing package and get into talks, or they are just being brought up by Ainge as a way to try to drum up interest. It's not a good sign either way.

The only alternative if could see is if Butler is traded, with the assets being routed to Utah to get a Markkanen payment together. I wouldn't know what team would be in on a Butler trade that could afford his salary and send back quality, though. Even with that wrinkle, the Spurs (or even Kings) could probably beat that package.

[Mr. Body]

I'm starting to wonder if ANYONE has interest in Markkanen at this point. Like if the Heat with their one first-round pick that can be traded (two picks can be traded but one might disappear if MIA25 or MIA27 doesn't convey) can get into discussions, then there really isn't a market here. It's been pretty clear that people don't actually think Herro is valuable. Sure Miami has Ware, but the Jazz have so many young centers already that I doubt he'd be actual value. So either Miami is legit able to throw around their nothing package and get into talks, or they are just being brought up by Ainge as a way to try to drum up interest. It's not a good sign either way.

The only alternative if could see is if Butler is traded, with the assets being routed to Utah to get a Markkanen payment together. I wouldn't know what team would be in on a Butler trade that could afford his salary and send back quality, though. Even with that wrinkle, the Spurs (or even Kings) could probably beat that package.

How many times do I have to say this.

[ace3g]

From reliable Bucks' beat writer

https://x.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1809261013579051346

[spurraider21]

From reliable Bucks' beat writer

https://x.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1809261013579051346
yeah this is where SRP rich teams gotta say a 1 is too much, but here are 4 SRPs instead