2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[ace3g]

https://x.com/kendra__andrews/status/1803469519807193215

[exstatic]

Pistons Fire Monty Williams. A week before the draft interesting timing. Franchise seems to be in complete turmoil.

Another franchise, like Phoenix, joining the Let’s Pay Three Coaches At Once Club?

Monte was put into an untenable situation with the shit roster that Troy Weaver assembled. Troy deserved to be fired for that. Monte did not.

[Jeffbob]

Any chances we pursue Butler. Apparently he’s being shopped. He would look great next to wemby

[Ariel]

One note: at the start of last season Ivey seemed to really be in Monte's doghouse. By the end of the season, Ivey was starting and playing heavy minutes, but it wasn't clear that Ivey was someone Monte really cared for. Ivey may either get shipped off by the new regime, or they may view him as a key piece who has been mismanaged to date. I think that will be an important pivot piece for Detroit. I'd still be very interested him for the Spurs in the 6th man scorer role if he were available.
Not really a fan of Ivey but I would consider making a call to see if they're interested in a deal centered around Keldon Johnson and/or Champagnie, plus maybe minor pieces (not FRPs). Under those conditions it could be worth taking a closer look at him for a couple of years before making a decision, and a change of scenery might suit him well too. I'd ask for Sasser as well since we're at it.

[exstatic]

Any chances we pursue Butler. Apparently he’s being shopped. He would look great next to wemby

He’s a problem child that wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. He also didn’t mesh well with young players in Minny. He’ll be 35 before next season starts, which is why Miami won’t pay him,and is willing to do a trade.

[R. DeMurre]

Butler's very good, but also the prime example in this era of a guy who maybe thought a tad too much of his own talents, insisting on being "the man" and #1 option instead of staying with Embiid... That 76er team was one improbable shot away from going to the conference finals. Butler also feuded with situations in Chicago, Minny, and Philly, so there seems to be a clear track record. If he was 28 it might be a good risk, but at 35 (on a team with an emerging 20 yr old superstar), I just don't think the fit is good.

[jjspur]

Pistons Fire Monty Williams. A week before the draft interesting timing. Franchise seems to be in complete turmoil.

Must be nice to get your next 50-60 million for free. Doubt he cares about getting fired from the worst situation in basketball.

[Ice009]

Pistons Fire Monty Williams. A week before the draft interesting timing. Franchise seems to be in complete turmoil.

WTF, didn't they pay Monty an insane contract? Do they have to eat the cost of what's left on his contract?

[poopbox]

Any chances we pursue Butler. Apparently he’s being shopped. He would look great next to wemby

Hard no on Butler. He is old, has bad knees, and every team he has been on has ended up not wanting him after a few years.

Bulls, Wolves, 76ers, and now the Heat, all got out of the Jimmy Butler business almost as soon as they got into the Jimmy Butler business.

[spurraider21]

Another franchise, like Phoenix, joining the Let’s Pay Three Coaches At Once Club?

Monte was put into an untenable situation with the shit roster that Troy Weaver assembled. Troy deserved to be fired for that. Monte did not.
monte was also weirdly playing killian hayes over jaden ivey to the point where weaver had to trade him like the moneyball scene where he said "you cant play pena at first today. i traded him"

im not saying thats a terminable offense, but that really stuck out to me in the first half of the season

[spurraider21]

#1 free agent on my wish-list

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[scott]

#1 free agent on my wish-list

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Same for me. Would love him in our 6th man role, especially if we move Keldon (which I think we should). If a bigger deal presented itself where we moved Devin (not saying we should look to move Devin, but if he's the key to a deal), I'd also like him as a starting SG.

[spurraider21]

Same for me. Would love him in our 6th man role, especially if we move Keldon (which I think we should). If a bigger deal presented itself where we moved Devin (not saying we should look to move Devin, but if he's the key to a deal), I'd also like him as a starting SG.
i think his ideal role is 6th man who can come in at either guard spot for primarily a 3 man rotation, but if we draft a PG, i think monk can easily stand-in at PG until the rook is ready to start

[scott]

Lakers hiring JJ Reddick on a 4-year deal, apparently.

[Mr. Body]

Here is where posts about making trades belong.

[timtonymanu]

Lakers hiring JJ Reddick on a 4-year deal, apparently.

Pretty sure cause he’s lebron’s buddy but how long before they throw him under the bus too?

[Leetonidas]

#1 free agent on my wish-list

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He would be the ideal sixth man tbh. I think Sac can only offer him a max of less than 20M a season. can't see him going to Orlando with all their guards. Philly and Detroit could be threats but unless Detroit massively overpays him, no one wants to play there. and i dont see Morey overpaying for Monk. He's ripe for the picking for SA imho

[spurraider21]

wtf

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[Leetonidas]

well that sucks, definitely makes OKC a lot better. Hard to believe Giddey is the best player Chicago could have gotten for Caruso, maybe they think there's untapped potential there

[BatManu20]

What a steal by OKC. Fuck Chicago forget that tbh.

[cd98]

Seriously. Giddy can't even play in close games. Spurs should definitely have made a run for Caruso, who is so good that the Lakers imploded when he left.

[BatManu20]

The only silver lining is that Caruso is in the final year of his deal. He’ll be an UFA next Summer. Still annoying though.

[BatManu20]

Seriously. Giddy can't even play in close games. Spurs should definitely have made a run for Caruso, who is so good that the Lakers imploded when he left.

Yup. They had to bench Giddey in close games in the playoffs because of his inability to shoot the ball.

Meanwhile Caruso shot a career-high 41% from 3 on last season on high volume — almost 5 attempts per game. And he’s a lockdown defender obviously. Huge upgrade for the Meth-heads tbh.

[lefty20]

Damn good upgrade. Slight improvement from J-Dub & Chet puts OKC in the finals, tbh.

[LeBowen]

Looks like Bulls are going to bottom out.
Should look to trade that '25 CHI pick for a solid rotation piece, tbh.

[NASpurs]

Presti keeps on winning

[Cardinal]

Yep Bulls are not going to let that pick convey next year

[R. DeMurre]

Chicago have been the kings of mismatched pieces lately... Giddey + Derozan + Vucevic? Makes no sense. If the Bulls are starting over, I could see an offer for Coby White. He's not a world beater, but a White/Tre rotation would be a big improvement. He's got that large PG profile the Spurs seem to want and has slowly & steadily improved.

[spurraider21]

with SGA/J-Dub, and an emerging Cason Wallace, OKC had no use for another playmaking type in Giddey who was also a poor shooter and a defender who was getting exposed. They may miss his rebounding a bit but thats a replaceable skill.

Meanwhile the Bulls who are going in a very different direction had no need for a 30 year old 3&D player and are taking a swing on an on-ball playmaker who is still quite young, which they kind of do need with Lonzo's situation not looking good.

Im just surprised OKC didnt have to attach draft assets to get it done.

[TD 21]

First news that the 76ers are likely out on George, then the Bulls make a retooling type trade for a guy who needs the ball . . . is DeFrozen walking through that (76ers) door? If so, their goes any chance of winning a championship during Embiid's prime.

Spurs obviously couldn't have made this trade and shouldn't have either way (aging, limited creator, with a play style unlikely to lend itself to longevity). If they want this type of guard, draft Carter or sign Melton (so long as his back checks out). The 76ers appear more interested in Caldwell-Pope anyway.

[onechance87]

yup bulls are tanking,Good chance they lose demar derozan and drummond and just go for a for sure rebuild.

[LeBowen]

Drummond already said he's not returning.
Will be interesting to see what they offer to Pat Williams, he's RFA.

[Robz4000]

Assuming the Bulls lose DePression this likely raises their floor tbh. Giddy sucks if you're trying to win a title but he should statpad enough to net the Bulls a spot in the play-in.

[onechance87]

Also sucks one less team to compete in the playoffs against atl.

[spurraider21]

Assuming the Bulls lose DePression this likely raises their floor tbh. Giddy sucks if you're trying to win a title but he should statpad enough to net the Bulls a spot in the play-in.
i dont think hes good enough to stat-pad you into wins tbh

[Robz4000]

i dont think hes good enough to stat-pad you into wins tbh

Gotta keep the hope alive for the Bulls pick tbh...

[Seventyniner]

tbh I didn't even know that trades were possible before draft night. Is this a new rule starting this year or has a trade like this always been possible but nobody would do it?

[Seventyniner]

The Bulls are stuck with Lavine. Hopefully he stays healthy, they re-up DeRozan and make a run at the play-in. But since their pick goes to the Spurs if it lands outside the top 10 they will have a lot of reasons to tank.

[lefty20]

Thunder still got over 30 mill cap space. Presti's just getting started.

[PhantomDashCam]

Hoopshype reporter said in his video he had heard the Spurs were close/imminent to trading for Giddey from sources.


https://youtu.be/E2MeYP0YkgY?si=xsVRVSTCW_rep4qC

[TD 21]

The Bulls are stuck with Lavine. Hopefully he stays healthy, they re-up DeRozan and make a run at the play-in. But since their pick goes to the Spurs if it lands outside the top 10 they will have a lot of reasons to tank.

At least one of DeRozan or LaVine is guaranteed to be gone now because Giddey/White will be the starting back court, none can credibly play the four and there isn't anything resembling a POA defender in the bunch.

[scott]

Let the Chicago tank begin! I've been saying that pick has the danger of potentially not conveying. The good news is that it turning to Top-8 protections in year 2 and 3 make it harder for Chicago to fully protect it (example: Portland falling from 4 to 7 this year... CHI will have to HARD tank to fully protect 2026 and 2027... but that may not be something they are against either).

Either way, I'd be looking to monetize that CHI pick sooner.

[scott]

Hoopshype reporter said in his video he had heard the Spurs were close/imminent to trading for Giddey from sources.



Does PAFTO have a thing for guys who can't shoot, thinking they can fix them, the way some women have a thing for broken males, thinking they can fixing them?

If Bulls are going to go into hard tank, maybe 8 + 35 for Ayo or Coby + 11? Maybe that would take CHI25 instead of 35. Or maybe just CHI25 straight up for Coby.

[Mugen]

Sniff Crew thinking BWrong & Co are on the same stratosphere as Presti :lol

Not having to attach any picks to turn Giddey into Caruso is insane tbh.

[poopbox]

Hoopshype reporter said in his video he had heard the Spurs were close/imminent to trading for Giddey from sources.


https://youtu.be/E2MeYP0YkgY?si=xsVRVSTCW_rep4qC

Giddey can't shoot for shit :lol

Although if we could have traded Giddey for Collins just to get him off the books I could have stomached it for one season :cry

[DPG21920]

I am shocked that Bulls couldn’t get a pick from OKC knowing OKC had to move on from Giddey for most part alongside OKC having so many extra picks where they could afford to give one up.

Bulls must really like Giddey the player because theres no way that they weren’t getting offers for Caruso involving pick(s). Im not sure it means a tank for CHI - they may think Giddey really helps them. Just have to see what else they do.

[Mr. Body]

I like Alex Caruso a lot, but... he's 30 years old. It's kind of weird that OKC had to burn their nice recent lotto pick so quickly. They got a nice piece for them, and he might push them over the edge into the Finals, but it's not a long-lived one. Really nice role-player, but they still have a longjam at the guard spots. Just feels like they should have gotten more for Giddey in some way.

So, it's great as a short-term swing, but that's kind of it? Odd. Kind of feels like the Gordon Hayward swing. Probably work better, of course, but not for too long.

Not entirely sure what the Bulls do here. Caruso would have gotten attention on the market, I'd think. I get that people hate him now, but Giddey is talented. It's not like they're contending, and OKC's problem wasn't so much with him (it was) as they had zero self-creation beyond SGA, zilcho.

[exstatic]

Pretty sure cause he’s lebron’s buddy but how long before they throw him under the bus too?

40-60 games. He’s a fool. JJ was well on his way to developing a media brand that he could have majorly cashed out on in a few years. Fired coach doesn’t carry the same cachet as former player, and his podcasts will likely die now from inattention.

[PhantomDashCam]

Does PAFTO have a thing for guys who can't shoot, thinking they can fix them, the way some women have a thing for broken males, thinking they can fixing them?

If Bulls are going to go into hard tank, maybe 8 + 35 for Ayo or Coby + 11? Maybe that would take CHI25 instead of 35. Or maybe just CHI25 straight up for Coby.


Giddey can't shoot for shit :lol

Although if we could have traded Giddey for Collins just to get him off the books I could have stomached it for one season :cry

I’m not the biggest Giddey guy but he is a legit talent and I’d expect he’s going to have a big Olympics for Australia (possibly increasing his stock heading into next year).

His game reminds me of Nikola Topic to an extent…

[Mugen]

Right on cue :lol

[exstatic]

I like Alex Caruso a lot, but... he's 30 years old. It's kind of weird that OKC had to burn their nice recent lotto pick so quickly. They got a nice piece for them, and he might push them over the edge into the Finals, but it's not a long-lived one. Really nice role-player, but they still have a longjam at the guard spots. Just feels like they should have gotten more for Giddey in some way.

So, it's great as a short-term swing, but that's kind of it? Odd. Kind of feels like the Gordon Hayward swing. Probably work better, of course, but not for too long.

Not entirely sure what the Bulls do here. Caruso would have gotten attention on the market, I'd think. I get that people hate him now, but Giddey is talented. It's not like they're contending, and OKC's problem wasn't so much with him (it was) as they had zero self-creation beyond SGA, zilcho.

They got a two time All D player for a child molester with a fucked up jumper. Win.

[objective]

Bulls got fleeced, AK as the GM is a disaster, no wonder they hadn't made a player trade in years

This shows what happens when teams make trades early: one side always loses bigly

Bulls had all the leverage to wait through free agency. Especially considering teams can now use their MLE as a defacto trade exception that Caruso fits into and every team in the league that missed on their targets would have been at the Bulls door desperate to trade firsts for Caruso

And OKC couldn't have much leverage. Who was desperate for a soon to be free agent with off court baggage who was played off the court in the playoffs? And OKC has a million protected firsts they weren't going to use anyway.

OKC wasn't pulling the deal off the table if Chicago wanted to wait, give me a break. Not even RC Uber and B.Wrong would have traded for Giddey. Bulls should have received additional picks.

[Mr. Body]

They got a two time All D player for a child molester with a fucked up jumper. Win.

I guess.

Like I said, it's going to help them alright for a couple of years.

[Mr. Body]

Bulls got fleeced, AK as the GM is a disaster, no wonder they hadn't made a player trade in years

This shows what happens when teams make trades early: one side always loses bigly

Bulls had all the leverage to wait through free agency. Especially considering teams can now use their MLE as a defacto trade exception that Caruso fits into and every team in the league that missed on their targets would have been at the Bulls door desperate to trade firsts for Caruso

And OKC couldn't have much leverage. Who was desperate for a soon to be free agent with off court baggage who was played off the court in the playoffs? And OKC has a million protected firsts they weren't going to use anyway.

OKC wasn't pulling the deal off the table if Chicago wanted to wait, give me a break. Not even RC Uber and B.Wrong would have traded for Giddey. Bulls should have received additional picks.

There might have been more of a market for Giddey than people think. And Chicago probably wanted to know where they stood as they entered the draft.

People really freaking the fuck out about this and it seems like sorta lateral for both teams. It doesn't help OKC as much as Presti-fuckers want to think, doesn't hurt Chicago as much as people think.

[exstatic]

I guess.

Like I said, it's going to help them alright for a couple of years.

I would say that no one knows Giddey’s game better, pluses and minuses, than the Thunder, and this move pretty much shows that they didn’t want to extend him, or have him on the roster without an extension in place.

[Mr. Body]

I would say that no one knows Giddey’s game better, pluses and minuses, than the Thunder, and this move pretty much shows that they didn’t want to extend him, or have him on the roster without an extension in place.

What does that have to do with anything?

[exstatic]

Bulls got fleeced, AK as the GM is a disaster, no wonder they hadn't made a player trade in years

This shows what happens when teams make trades early: one side always loses bigly

Bulls had all the leverage to wait through free agency. Especially considering teams can now use their MLE as a defacto trade exception that Caruso fits into and every team in the league that missed on their targets would have been at the Bulls door desperate to trade firsts for Caruso

And OKC couldn't have much leverage. Who was desperate for a soon to be free agent with off court baggage who was played off the court in the playoffs? And OKC has a million protected firsts they weren't going to use anyway.

OKC wasn't pulling the deal off the table if Chicago wanted to wait, give me a break. Not even RC Uber and B.Wrong would have traded for Giddey. Bulls should have received additional picks.

While Caruso has a lot of pluses, his minuses are that he’s 30 already, and he’s a rental.

[Mugen]

Replacing a guy that was unplayable in their last series with one of the most coveted 3&D players in the league coming off a 40% season shooting from 3 shouldn't help them much

Not to mention the off court baggage Giddey brings with him and the fact that it didn't take a single pick from their absolute war chest of picks to make it happen... :lol

[Mr. Body]

Caruso is 30 years old and provides what OKC was already very good at -- perimeter defense, shooting, and scrappy play. He'll do well in the platoon. What wrecked them in the POs, though, was getting destroyed inside. I figure something's coming down the pipe there. Otherwise, they traded a 21 year-old who didn't fit in their system but is still talented for an aging role-player who, albeit very good, will be gone pretty soon.

[Mr. Body]

Caruso is one more year at less than $10 million. I'm sure he's looking for a payday, as he's worth way more, while OKC has a nasty horizon coming up on players coming due.

[Mr. Body]

I get that Presti-suckers just reflexively... suck Presti's tadger, but while this looks great in the short term, dunno. Again feels a ton like the Gordon Hayward trade where he's losing assets for things that either won't work, don't really do much different, or don't last long.

[DPG21920]

Replacing a guy that was unplayable in their last series with one of the most coveted 3&D players in the league coming off a 40% season shooting from 3 shouldn't help them much

Not to mention the off court baggage Giddey brings with him and the fact that it didn't take a single pick from their absolute war chest of picks to make it happen... :lol

The fact anyone here can look at the situation and argue CHI didnt need to get a pick or that its no big deal are just strange to me and makes sense on how they value players/picks

[objective]

While Caruso has a lot of pluses, his minuses are that he’s 30 already, and he’s a rental.

My issue isn't trading Caruso, it's not getting the most out of their leverage. OKC doesn't have room for all their future firsts, and they have 10+ extra seconds on top of their own. OKC is more desperate as they're trying to win a title, Bulls should have squeezed them. Doing the deal this early before you see other teams fail in free agency and turn to Chicago should have been worth some draft equity.

This is like when Memphis gifted Gasol to the Lakers well betore the deadline. At the time Marc was a nothing throw in, a fat guy who Memphis passed on drafting themselves. So the deal was really Kwame and Crittenden. What would have happened if Memphis wanted to wait? Lakers pulling the offer? LOL no. They weren't walking from the deal to get the key to a title.

[DPG21920]

Caruso is 30 years old and provides what OKC was already very good at -- perimeter defense, shooting, and scrappy play. He'll do well in the platoon. What wrecked them in the POs, though, was getting destroyed inside. I figure something's coming down the pipe there. Otherwise, they traded a 21 year-old who didn't fit in their system but is still talented for an aging role-player who, albeit very good, will be gone pretty soon.

OKC is trying to win a title and has a million firsts - who cares about burning someone like Giddey you know doesnt work when it comes to winning time when you have tons of guards anyways and who cares about a “rental” when the guy is in his prime still and replaces a guy who you cant play anyways and you didnt have to pay more money or give up any picks lol?

Caruso could walk next year and OKC gave up absolutely nothing of value that they cant replace so easily for a player that may help them better win a title next season. This isnt hard IMO

[SpursBills]

OKC knows after this last playoffs that their time is now, not 2 years from now. Presti knew he couldn't afford to extend Giddey given the fit, and Giddey wasn't providing positive value in high-leverage moments either. Caruso significantly increases their championship equity for the next year; if you can trade that increase for a player that isn't providing much value either in the present or the future, that's a steal regardless of whether your gains are long term or short term, especially if no draft equity is included. Big win by Presti here even if Caruso gets injured next year.

I'm personally rooting for Giddey to succeed - Bulls hard-tanking for 3 years and that pick turning into seconds would suck ass.

[scott]

Giddey is a good tank commander though. Just young and flashy enough to sell some tickets while you sink to a 20-62 record. Very much a 2022 Keldon/Devin vibe. Agree with objective here though - seems like CHI could have held out.

[Mugen]

They'll very likely extend Caruso for something reasonable. He's 30 and still has several years of good play left in him. Also provides them Dort insurance if they want to move off of him after next season

They also literally have the most picks out of anybody else in the league because they didn't even have to attach some BS protected pick to get him. So they can easily shore up their other needs via draft, trade, FA. They lost nothing of value from the war chest.

This was a slam dunk for OKC no matter how you slice it unless you're an absolute homer or a complete idiot :lol

[timtonymanu]

They'll very likely extend Caruso for something reasonable. He's 30 and still has several years of good play left in him. Also provides them Dort insurance if they want to move off of him after next season

They also literally have the most picks out of anybody else in the league because they didn't even have to attach some BS protected pick to get him. So they can easily shore up their other needs via draft, trade, FA. They lost nothing of value from the war chest.

This was a slam dunk for OKC no matter how you slice it unless you're an absolute homer or a complete idiot :lol

Has to be someone that thought the spurs would win 40 games last year

[CGD]

wtf

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Great deal. i like it for both sides. I wonder if this means the Bulls have finally picked a damn path!

[Splits]

Chicago: hide your teenagers

[exstatic]

They'll very likely extend Caruso for something reasonable. He's 30 and still has several years of good play left in him. Also provides them Dort insurance if they want to move off of him after next season

They also literally have the most picks out of anybody else in the league because they didn't even have to attach some BS protected pick to get him. So they can easily shore up their other needs via draft, trade, FA. They lost nothing of value from the war chest.

This was a slam dunk for OKC no matter how you slice it unless you're an absolute homer or a complete idiot :lol

We’ll have to disagree on this. They have too many mouths to feed.

[DPG21920]

This is most likely bad for SA. Caruso was a high net+ player for CHI and anything that makes CHI lose games or accelerate a rebuild hurts that chance of getting an extra pick is my guy feeling. But have to see what they do with Lavine + DeRozan + Vuc

[Mugen]

We’ll have to disagree on this. They have too many mouths to feed.

Fair enough. I think they'll end up drafting a big in this upcoming draft, move off of Dort after next season, and extend Caruso.


This is most likely bad for SA. Caruso was a high net+ player for CHI and anything that makes CHI lose games or accelerate a rebuild hurts that chance of getting an extra pick is my guy feeling. But have to see what they do with Lavine + DeRozan + Vuc

Yeah, agreed. Haven't even touched on how this impacts SA but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first domino in a soft Chicago tank. They won't get much for Lavine if they're able to move him but what happens when DD/Vuc will be very telling on their direction for the next few years. I have a bad feeling that pick isn't conveying next year which sucks because of how loaded the '25 draft is shaping up to be.

[CGD]

I’m kinda shocked at how low OKC sold on Giddey tbh. Caruso is an expiring looking for his last big payday. There is a real chance he walks after this season.

[Atl Spur]

Okc has Dort and Caruso now on the perimeter…..this is a problem

[z0sa]

Giddey averaged 16pts/8reb/6ast in 22-23. OKC got what they wanted in Caruso, someone who can guard the POA and be a knockdown shooter if left open -- but they let Giddey go on the cheap. Giddey won't ever be a knockdown shooter but I'd be surprised if he doesn't average 16/6 again (or better) for the Bulls since he won't be deferring the ball-handling nearly as much as when he was paired with SGA.

[DPG21920]

Okc has Dort and Caruso now on the perimeter…..this is a problem

Can never have too many guys like that imo

[DPG21920]

Giddey averaged 16pts/8reb/6ast in 22-23. OKC got what they wanted in Caruso, someone who can guard the POA and be a knockdown shooter if left open -- but they let Giddey go on the cheap. Giddey won't ever be a knockdown shooter but I'd be surprised if he doesn't average 16/6 again (or better) for the Bulls since he won't be deferring the ball-handling nearly as much as when he was paired with SGA.

Plenty of guys can put up numbers with decent usage tbh. He’s got talent but a non shooting defensively challenged ball dominant pg is a challenge in this league. Just have to see how it goes. Wasn’t a terrible trade for chi big picture but they left meat on the bone given the current situation and it was a no brainer for OKC

[PhantomDashCam]

Can never have too many guys like that imo

I'm pretty sure Atl Spur means it's a problem for SA going forward...

[Atl Spur]

Giddey averaged 16pts/8reb/6ast in 22-23. OKC got what they wanted in Caruso, someone who can guard the POA and be a knockdown shooter if left open -- but they let Giddey go on the cheap. Giddey won't ever be a knockdown shooter but I'd be surprised if he doesn't average 16/6 again (or better) for the Bulls since he won't be deferring the ball-handling nearly as much as when he was paired with SGA.

They got a solid vet defender ( 2nd team all nba ) with a high bbiq. We could have used him……damn

[DPG21920]

I'm pretty sure Atl Spur means it's a problem for SA going forward...

Ahhh that makes sense

[Spurs Homer]

thing i hate about caruso going to okc is that the spurs play okc 4 times...

the two players i think will one day - injure Wemby are...

1) Draymond

2) Caruso

[TeKu]

This is most likely bad for SA. Caruso was a high net+ player for CHI and anything that makes CHI lose games or accelerate a rebuild hurts that chance of getting an extra pick is my guy feeling. But have to see what they do with Lavine + DeRozan + Vuc

Not so sure it's that bad. Can't see how this trade signals a rebuild for Chicago. If they were headed that way they could have gotten picks for Caruso from OKC who have more picks than they can use. Getting Giddey signals they're still trying to retool and compete. They've never shown an inclination to rebuild, same GM who put this team together is still pulling the strings. Fair chance they continue their long history of competing for 10th in the East which raises the value of the pick they owe us. We just need them to stay chasing the play-in for one more season and that pick could be very nice indeed.

[DPG21920]

thing i hate about caruso going to okc is that the spurs play okc 4 times...

the two players i think will one day - injure Wemby are...

1) Draymond

2) Caruso

Zach Collins when he’s traded :lol

[jjspur]

In a way both teams traded a looming problem away. Caruso is 30 and probably wanted a big increase in pay for his next contract. Even though he's only 21, Giddey showed that he couldn't be trusted in a major playoff game. Both players have talents both both players have issues. In a few months we'll see who got the better of this trade. As of right now I say OKC did better.

[Ariel]

Not so sure it's that bad. Can't see how this trade signals a rebuild for Chicago. If they were headed that way they could have gotten picks for Caruso from OKC who have more picks than they can use. Getting Giddey signals they're still trying to retool and compete. They've never shown an inclination to rebuild, same GM who put this team together is still pulling the strings. Fair chance they continue their long history of competing for 10th in the East which raises the value of the pick they owe us. We just need them to stay chasing the play-in for one more season and that pick could be very nice indeed.
It's definitely bad, but I agree it could be worse. The silver lining here is that, although it hurts the chances of conveying the pick next draft, taking a young player as opposed to a bunch of far out picks suggests they're not going for a multi year tank but rather a short tank or a retool. Hopefully they can get something back for DDR if he doesn't re-sign, which is the very likely outcome, and Lavine bounces back. Next year they have cap space, they probably are back in the late lottery in another deep draft.

[SpursGuy91]

One of the insiders on Hawksquawk is claiming the Spurs have a standing offer for Trae Young that the Hawks are considering. Allegedly there is one other team that has a standing offer for Trae but he can’t mention the name of team. Not sure why he would be given permission to even name the Spurs if it was legit but not any other team, so who knows if it’s BS.

[mo7888]

Monk just agreed to return to Sacramento mpr $78M over 4 years

[spurraider21]

Monk just agreed to return to Sacramento mpr $78M over 4 years
Fuck

he left money on the table imo. Good for him tho

[onechance87]

Monk just agreed to return to Sacramento mpr $78M over 4 years

damn

[Spurs Homer]

Zach Collins when he’s traded :lol

lol

nah- zollins is as soft as baby poop

[scott]

RIP Monk dreams

[objective]

Monk just agreed to return to Sacramento mpr $78M over 4 years

Wow that's some loyalty, wtf

[scott]

Only slight more than Keldon Johnson’s deal. What a steal.

[TD 21]

I’m kinda shocked at how low OKC sold on Giddey tbh. Caruso is an expiring looking for his last big payday. There is a real chance he walks after this season.

Teams don't enter into significant trade discussions blind. Back channel discussion undoubtedly occurred leading the Thunder to be confident in his extending/re-signing.

[spurraider21]

Only slight more than Keldon Johnson’s deal. What a steal.
Not even adjusting for cap inflation

[baseline bum]

thing i hate about caruso going to okc is that the spurs play okc 4 times...

the two players i think will one day - injure Wemby are...

1) Draymond

2) Caruso

Draymond kisses Victor's ass the way he does LeBron. I don't have any worries about him pulling the shit he does on Gobert, who he fucking hates, on Vic.

[baseline bum]

Monk just agreed to return to Sacramento mpr $78M over 4 years

Fuck me, OKC gets Caruso for crap and Monk takes a hometown discount. Now just need the Spurs to draft Topic at 4 to put the cherry on top.

[TeKu]

It's definitely bad, but I agree it could be worse. The silver lining here is that, although it hurts the chances of conveying the pick next draft, taking a young player as opposed to a bunch of far out picks suggests they're not going for a multi year tank but rather a short tank or a retool. Hopefully they can get something back for DDR if he doesn't re-sign, which is the very likely outcome, and Lavine bounces back. Next year they have cap space, they probably are back in the late lottery in another deep draft.

Could be bad still sure, their off season will be telling. I don't see DDR moving on, hard to turn down the $40m per year the Bulls are supposedly offering. No-one else will pay him that, at least they shouldn't, and if/when he reups, the chances of that pick being late-lottery go up considerably.

[couchman]

Bulls may be just starting to tear it down.
Let’s see what they do w DDR and Lavine and Vuch

[BackHome]

Our future is going to be decided in 2025 if we can get two picks in the top 10 I firmly believe we can get two starters from that draft class

[DPG21920]

I wonder if Bulls would do a sign and trade for Patrick Williams in exchange for their pick back and Keldon?

[objective]

I wonder if Bulls would do a sign and trade for Patrick Williams in exchange for their pick back and Keldon?

Spurs might be able to take him back into caproom in a sign and trade. Bulls aren't very smart, they might take Branham though lol

[T Park]

lol

nah- zollins is as soft as baby poop

There’s many things Collins is, soft is not one of them.

[T Park]

Fuck me, OKC gets Caruso for crap and Monk takes a hometown discount. Now just need the Spurs to draft Topic at 4 to put the cherry on top.


If castle is there he’s the guy. It’s as close to a lock as it gets.

[spurraider21]

There’s many things Collins is, soft is not one of them.
There’s different kinds of soft. Collins won’t let someone punk him and will mix things up. But he’s not physical on the glass, defending the paint, etc

[Chinook]

Ah, so now DeRozan rises in my rank for free-agent targets. A couple other guys are higher still, but no Monk and the Bulls seeming to signal they'll move on from DeMar increases the likelihood he's the best player available for what the Spurs have to offer.

Unfortunately, it probably increases the likelihood that the Spurs sell their cap or give Osman a bigger deal to reach the floor while basically running the the team back plus draft pkcks.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Barring a major trade for a PG, I'm offering the '25 Bulls pick for Ayo Dosunmu (or Pat Williams but I find this unlikely especially if they're going into a rebuild). I think he's good, big, shot's developing well, hopefully last season wasn't a fluke and he's alright on D. He won't transform the Spurs obviously and he's far from the ideal PG archetype to have next to Wemby, but he'll help.

[spurraider21]

Unless Chris Paul has interest in playing for a basement dweller for a year, pg market is quite rough. Could probably get monte morris cheap if the Wolves want to shed salary

[CGD]

Fuck

he left money on the table imo. Good for him tho

I don’t think he did. One analysts was saying that players like this were gonna get squeezed down to the MLE money because so many teams are concerned about the punitive nature of the new caps rules. They made the case there was less money out there for middling type players now then one might think. And then of the team that did have money— Orlando— probably is waiting on Klay.

Who knows, but feels like he took the bird in hand

[Rosewood]

If Bulls decide to tank and their pick doesn’t convey for us next year, we still got 2 cracks at it right?

[DPG21920]

If Bulls decide to tank and their pick doesn’t convey for us next year, we still got 2 cracks at it right?

Yes. It goes from top 10 protected in 25 to top 8 protected in 26 & 27 before conveying as a 2nd round pick.

[CGD]

If Bulls decide to tank and their pick doesn’t convey for us next year, we still got 2 cracks at it right?

Correct -- plus i truly think they made the Giddey trade thinkings it will help them. They might be wrong in the end, but that FO cant help themselves. They're content fighting for the play-in year over year.

[onechance87]

Our future is going to be decided in 2025 if we can get two picks in the top 10 I firmly believe we can get two starters from that draft class

more likely to get two top 15 picks.Hope there is still good prospects in that range.

[Pauleta14]

Playmaking doesn't only comes from the PG and listening to Pop, he loves reminding everyone how positions's roles are absurds nowadays.

Add Wemby's playmaking skills and high usage, we might better wait for the right pofile at PG (25'? Castle? trade deadline?) and focus on bpa on the market.

Neither Trae nor DJ nor Garland (am I missing someone?) have the profile we're looking for long term anyway. Each have huge weaknesses or "?"

[Spurs Homer]

There’s many things Collins is, soft is not one of them.

not sure what you call it -
when every midget on any team waltzes all the way to the rim while zollins jumps up with his hands straight up and never ever disturbs any midgets layup?

[exstatic]

Bulls may be just starting to tear it down.
Let’s see what they do w DDR and Lavine and Vuch

I saw somewhere, and you can take this with a grain of salt if you want, that CHI had an offer of two FRPs for Caruso, and took Giddey instead. You would think that a rebuilding team would want the picks.

[LeBowen]

I saw somewhere, and you can take this with a grain of salt if you want, that CHI had an offer of two FRPs for Caruso, and took Giddey instead. You would think that a rebuilding team would want the picks.

They had multiple offers back at the deadline. They wanted to compete, lmao.

Unfortunately for their fans, Bulls aren't about actually contending anymore.
Being a treadmill team is fine for their ownership since they still sell out all of their games.

[exstatic]

I wonder if Bulls would do a sign and trade for Patrick Williams in exchange for their pick back and Keldon?

Patrick Williams is a horrible disappointment. People need to stop looking for potential when a player has been in the league for four years already. He is what he is, a 10 point scorer. Keldon shits all over him as a player, and you want to give the pick back, too? Fuck that.

[exstatic]

They had multiple offers back at the deadline. They wanted to compete, lmao.

Unfortunately for their fans, Bulls aren't about actually contending anymore.
Being a treadmill team is fine for their ownership since they still sell out all of their games.
Works for me and for the Spurs. Treadmill is exactly where we want them.

[hoopdreams11]

Lonzo Ball anyone

[Extra Stout]

Lonzo Ball anyone
He’ll never play again; he’ll do well to walk without pain.

[Sugus]

So, anyone else interested in bringing Chris Paul in for a season? What are some realistic trades that could get him to SA, given his salary?

Beyond any personal feelings about CP3 as a player, having him mentoring Wemby for a year (and hopefully also Castle or whichever PG-like prospect we draft) would be undeniably benefitial to his game and development. The Point God, paired with maybe the most versatile big man in NBA history... One can only imagine.

[jjspur]

He’ll never play again; he’ll do well to walk without pain.

That what happens when you wear crappy sneakers.

[NASpurs]

Lonzo Ball anyone

Can he even wipe his own ass?

[exstatic]

So, anyone else interested in bringing Chris Paul in for a season? What are some realistic trades that could get him to SA, given his salary?

Beyond any personal feelings about CP3 as a player, having him mentoring Wemby for a year (and hopefully also Castle or whichever PG-like prospect we draft) would be undeniably benefitial to his game and development. The Point God, paired with maybe the most versatile big man in NBA history... One can only imagine.

He’s a loser, and has never really been known as a mentor type.

[Seventyniner]

Can he even wipe his own ass?

He can't even stand up from the toilet.

[timtonymanu]

Chris Paul is done. He was godawful in Golden State. I know he would be brought in as more of a mentor but might as well hire him as an assistant coach or something. The spurs shouldn’t waste a roster spot on him with all the other deadweight they currently have on the roster.

[R. DeMurre]

Caruso's one of those guys that's sort of universally praised but also regularly undervalued... The Lakers made such a huge mistake letting him go after their bubble championship, then thinking they could replace him with Westbrook, who is the absolute opposite of Caruso as a high usage rate, poor shooting, average size, often lax defender. What a colossal miscalculation-- and that decision looks very relevant to the current debate as to whether or not a traditional PG is necessary for success in this NBA.

[itzsoweezee]

That Malik Monk deal is nuts. Klay Thompson has got to be pissed right now. There’s no way a team is paying him more than Monk, right?

[rjv]

Can he even wipe his own ass?

for a minute there, i thought you were referring to Kawhi.

[Ariel]

That Malik Monk deal is nuts. Klay Thompson has got to be pissed right now. There’s no way a team is paying him more than Monk, right?
Pissed for what? That he's going to be paid 50M as opposed to 80M to play basketball? That his net worth is going to be 200M rather than 220M? Klay is washed, he should thank his pal Curry that GSW is still trying to keep the core together and may get an offer he doesn't deserve. Cry me a river, Klay.

[Ariel]

So, anyone else interested in bringing Chris Paul in for a season? What are some realistic trades that could get him to SA, given his salary?

Beyond any personal feelings about CP3 as a player, having him mentoring Wemby for a year (and hopefully also Castle or whichever PG-like prospect we draft) would be undeniably benefitial to his game and development. The Point God, paired with maybe the most versatile big man in NBA history... One can only imagine.
His salary is partially guaranteed... finding a suitable trade at that price tag might be difficult, would not be surprised if he's just waived. But could go either way.

[Ariel]

Works for me and for the Spurs. Treadmill is exactly where we want them.
They traded Caruso and are exploring options for Vucevic and Lavine, and probably DDR gets moved in a S&T. Bulls are trying to get off the treadmill.

[Ariel]

Patrick Williams is a horrible disappointment. People need to stop looking for potential when a player has been in the league for four years already. He is whowhat he is, a 10 point scorer. Keldon shits all over him as a player, and you want to give the pick back, too? Fuck that.
Patrick Williams is a disappointment in terms of the unfair expectations placed upon him. He's not a star, but he's a 22 y.o. combo forward with good size (6'7", 6'11" wingspan) who fits the 3&D mold perfectly well (career 41% from 3). He's probably a 4th/5th option on a good team and there are injury concerns that should be addressed, but if he's properly checked and his salary demands fit that 4th/5th option role, I'd consider making an offer. He's much easier to fit into a winning team than Keldon and may end up having a better career than half the guys drafted in the top 10 next week. Spurs need to think of other ways of acquiring talent besides the draft.

[Ariel]

I get that Presti-suckers just reflexively... suck Presti's tadger, but while this looks great in the short term, dunno. Again feels a ton like the Gordon Hayward trade where he's losing assets for things that either won't work, don't really do much different, or don't last long.
What? OKC turned a guy who couldn't be played in the playoffs and needed to be paid into one of the better role players in the league. Caruso is nothing like Gordon Hayward, who is clearly washed and has character issues, it's baffling how this could be spined into a negative for OKC. Spurs should be taking notes.

[Mugen]

What? OKC turned a guy who couldn't be played in the playoffs and needed to be paid into one of the better role players in the league. Caruso is nothing like Gordon Hayward, who is clearly washed and has character issues, it's baffling how this could be spined into a negative for OKC. Spurs should be taking notes.

Don't bother :lol

Trade looks even worse for Chicago with the news this morning that Giddey basically asked out of OKC.

[exstatic]

They traded Caruso and are exploring options for Vucevic and Lavine, and probably DDR gets moved in a S&T. Bulls are trying to get off the treadmill.

Moving Vuc and/or Lavine won’t really move the needle if the keep DD and put the ball in Giddeys hands. Everything beyond Caruso, who returned a starter level player, is conjecture. They’ve had several chances to blow it up, and this management team has passed every time.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1804230780106702987

[exstatic]

Patrick Williams is a disappointment in terms of the unfair expectations placed upon him. He's not a star, but he's a 22 y.o. combo forward with good size (6'7", 6'11" wingspan) who fits the 3&D mold perfectly well (career 41% from 3). He's probably a 4th/5th option on a good team and there are injury concerns that should be addressed, but if he's properly checked and his salary demands fit that 4th/5th option role, I'd consider making an offer. He's much easier to fit into a winning team than Keldon and may end up having a better career than half the guys drafted in the top 10 next week. Spurs need to think of other ways of acquiring talent besides the draft.

Uh… he was the #4 overall pick, so I think expectations should be expected. Nothing unfair about brickbats for a #4 overall pick who never scored more than 10 points in four seasons.

[Ariel]

Moving Vuc and/or Lavine won’t really move the needle if the keep DD and put the ball in Giddeys hands. Everything beyond Caruso, who returned a starter level player, is conjecture. They’ve had several chances to blow it up, and this management team has passed every time.
Honestly, I'm assuming the pick doesn't convey in '25. In fact I'd rather they bottom out now,than try to make the play in again, only to fail and keep the pick, then tank in '26. That's where we're really f*cked. Hopefully they land some talent soon and bounce back quickly.

Uh… he was the #4 overall pick, so I think expectations should be expected. Nothing unfair about brickbats for a #4 overall pick who never scored more than 10 points in four seasons.
That's old news, he's 22 and where he was drafted 4 years ago is irrelevant. The only question that should matter is if he can be a productive piece and at what price.

[exstatic]

Honestly, I'm assuming the pick doesn't convey in '25. In fact I'd rather they bottom out now,than try to make the play in again, only to fail and keep the pick, then tank in '26. That's where we're really f*cked. Hopefully they land some talent soon and bounce back quickly.

That's old news, he's 22 and where he was drafted 4 years ago is irrelevant. The only question that should matter is if he can be a productive piece and at what price.

It might not, but the odds increase in 2026 and 2027 when the protection drops to 1-8. There will also be a ton of tankers next year, leading to some cheap wins.

[Leetonidas]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1804230780106702987

Ugh. No thanks. Dude is the middest of mid players and already over the hill

[exstatic]

Honestly, I'm assuming the pick doesn't convey in '25. In fact I'd rather they bottom out now,than try to make the play in again, only to fail and keep the pick, then tank in '26. That's where we're really f*cked. Hopefully they land some talent soon and bounce back quickly.

That's old news, he's 22 and where he was drafted 4 years ago is irrelevant. The only question that should matter is if he can be a productive piece and at what price.
I’m not against picking him up off the scrap heap, but I’m not paying an asset for him. They should have done a Presti, and traded him after season 3 before the extension becomes an issue. He obviously didn’t get one.

[spurraider21]

Ugh. No thanks. Dude is the middest of mid players and already over the hill
the spurs could use some mid honestly :lol

depends on the price tag tho

[onechance87]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1804230780106702987

wonder what kind of deal he looking for

[duncan2150]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1804230780106702987Why not for the right price

[onechance87]

Ugh. No thanks. Dude is the middest of mid players and already over the hill

Dude could come in and probably be our best wing.Champ,Keldon,Sochan and other wings are not good or just average.
Hoping sochan makes a big jump or we may have to move on from him.

[CGD]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1804230780106702987

I like him in theory, but the mental midget tendencies are concerning. DET will get him though.

[LeBowen]

I wouldn't offer him more than two years.

Would rather get Harrison Barnes if we're in for a veteran forward.
He'd be really cheap, Kings need to get under the tax.

[baseline bum]

Pissed for what? That he's going to be paid 50M as opposed to 80M to play basketball? That his net worth is going to be 200M rather than 220M? Klay is washed, he should thank his pal Curry that GSW is still trying to keep the core together and may get an offer he doesn't deserve. Cry me a river, Klay.

Nah Golden State has been pretty clear he's gone. Went out of their way to say their days of spending big are over. He's gone and they'll probably try to find some way to dump Wiggins too.

[Leetonidas]

Dude could come in and probably be our best wing.Champ,Keldon,Sochan and other wings are not good or just average.
Hoping sochan makes a big jump or we may have to move on from him.

That is depressing and true :lol

[scott]

If that list of teams interested in Tobias is correct, I don’t see him going anywhere other than Dallas or NO. I don’t see anyone throwing him a bag big enough to persuade him to join a lotto team over a playoff team… but who knows.

[LeBowen]

If that list of teams interested in Tobias is correct, I don’t see him going anywhere other than Dallas or NO. I don’t see anyone throwing him a bag big enough to persuade him to join a lotto team over a playoff team… but who knows.

Dallas is on $173M for the upcoming season.
Even if they get rid of THJ, Powell and Kleber, still right around the cap, at $141M.

I can see him going there if he wants to compete. But after what we've seen from him over the past few years, I don't think competing is his priority.

[scott]

Dallas is on $173M for the upcoming season.
Even if they get rid of THJ, Powell and Kleber, still right around the cap, at $141M.

I can see him going there if he wants to compete. But after what we've seen from him over the past few years, I don't think competing is his priority.

Fair enough, but he’s coming off a massive deal, and I personally wouldn’t offer him more than $10MM/yr (if that), so the incremental value that a team like Utah, Detroit or SA can offer shouldn’t be that compelling… but who knows. DET and UTA have money to burn… maybe they do a FVV-style short term overpay.

[objective]

I’m not against picking him up off the scrap heap, but I’m not paying an asset for him. They should have done a Presti, and traded him after season 3 before the extension becomes an issue. He obviously didn’t get one.

Rumor reports were Williams turned down 4/64 extension from the Bulls back in the extension window.

Anyways, based on how young players are late to develop in Chicago or do better elsewhere, Williams is a solid candidate for outperforming his next deal.

The 2 biv issues with Williams are health and rebounding.

Everything else he's good for a role player next to Wemby. Very good defender for bigger wings, 40% three point shooter, weakside rim protection. He's not a go to scorer but he knows that, he won't be playing keep away from Wemby to try and get his own. Can't stay with smaller quicker players but that's how it is.

[LeBowen]

Fair enough, but he’s coming off a massive deal, and I personally wouldn’t offer him more than $10MM/yr (if that), so the incremental value that a team like Utah, Detroit or SA can offer shouldn’t be that compelling… but who knows. DET and UTA have money to burn… maybe they do a FVV-style short term overpay.

It all depends on the draft.
If we get Castle and Carter, we'll surely get a forward with respectable 3pt shot.

Tre/Castle/Wesley
Devin/Carter/Branham
Jeremy/Champ/Sidy
?/?
Wemby/Bassey

Harris, Barnes or Batum would be the most reasonable veteran forward ideas.
Can't have a team full of kids. If this draft happens, get one of them and bring back Mamu.
Draft another big with #35 and see how it goes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1804232842999705832

[tonight...you]

Drew... who told you your hair is okay?
It's not okay.

[jesterbobman]

I'd be fine with Tobias. He's not a great player, but 4th / 5th option role player who can be decently efficient is a big upgrade over our current wings, and there aren't too many good big wings available.

[Vienna]

If Harris agrees to a medium contract like 3/60, sign me in. He should be a perfect fit, knows how to play alongside a dominant big and can fill multiple roles. If he had not been payed like a star, he would have been discussed as the perfect role player. Spurs need some veteran help alongside all the young players. Might be a positive effect on Sochan. If not, Sochan would be out after his rookie contract anyway.

[CGD]

If Harris agrees to a medium contract like 3/60, sign me in. He should be a perfect fit, knows how to play alongside a dominant big and can fill multiple roles. If he had not been payed like a star, he would have been discussed as the perfect role player. Spurs need some veteran help alongside all the young players. Might be a positive effect on Sochan. If not, Sochan would be out after his rookie contract anyway.

I agree. Perfect placeholder for subsequent drafts when the Spurs can find their wing of the future.

[JuneJive]

Harris? The fuck?

You take the trash out, not bring it inside.

[Duncan2177]

Harris? The fuck?

You take the trash out, not bring it inside.

I would rather have Klay Thompson than Harris.

[JPB]

Drew... who told you your hair is okay?
It's not okay.

I guess Detlef Shrempf.

[exstatic]

I would rather have Klay Thompson than Harris.

Peak, yes, but current versions I take Tobias. Klay has had two major leg injuries, and is a shadow of himself. If we’re talking about raising the floor over the next couple of years, Harris is the better play,

[tonight...you]

I guess Detlef Shrempf.
Lol

[z0sa]

I would rather have Klay Thompson than Harris.

By a hair, me too. Thompson will have something to prove if he came to a cellar dweller. I'd take the locker room pressure on everyone, including the coaches, to win over the difference on the court.

[Bruno]

A quick look at Spurs salary cap situation for this summer with $141M as salary cap (latest number given by the NBA).

Spurs will likely waive Graham, they will have $103.1M in guaranteed salary for 9 players (Vassell, Johnson, Collins, Wembanyama, Jones, Sochan, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
There are cap hold for #4 and #8: $15.4M
After that it will depend on what they do with their free agents and players with non-guaranteed contracts. There might have some incomplete roster charge to add.

If Spurs keep Champagnie, waive Bassey and renounce to their FAs (Osman, Mamu and Barlow), they will have $19.5M in cap space.

[itzsoweezee]

I would rather have Klay Thompson than Harris.

It really depends on the contract numbers/years.

People underrate Harris at this point because he was overpaid in Philly. But Harris is definitely the more valuable player at this point in their respective careers.

[Ariel]

I would rather have Klay Thompson than Harris.
There's a better option yet: we can have neither. Worth considering.

[DPG21920]

A quick look at Spurs salary cap situation for this summer with $141M as salary cap (latest number given by the NBA).

Spurs will likely waive Graham, they will have $103.1M in guaranteed salary for 9 players (Vassell, Johnson, Collins, Wembanyama, Jones, Sochan, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
There are cap hold for #4 and #8: $15.4M
After that it will depend on what they do with their free agents and players with non-guaranteed contracts. There might have some incomplete roster charge to add.

If Spurs keep Champagnie, waive Bassey and renounce to their FAs (Osman, Mamu and Barlow), they will have $19.5M in cap space.

Im hoping SA can use Graham in a trade to be honest and make use of that contract vs having to eat that 2M (even though its not a big deal at all)

[scott]

1781703137335685369

Don't kill the messenger.

[onechance87]

1781703137335685369

Don't kill the messenger.

Chris paul can come in and immediatley be our best playmaker.But hes pretty old and not his best anymore.
But it also sucked seeing wemby get himself open and nobody being able to get the ball to him cause this
team has no basketball iq.

[z0sa]

CP3 could throw a lob or two, but he's not a winner. I'd pass unless he's really the best PATFO can do for a veteran.

[jjspur]

Im hoping SA can use Graham in a trade to be honest and make use of that contract vs having to eat that 2M (even though its not a big deal at all)

Agree totally. Last year we had so much dead money that 2 mill dead $$ is nothing in comparison.

[onechance87]

Agree totally. Last year we had so much dead money that 2 mill dead $$ is nothing in comparison.

lets see what wright can cook up...Cause apparently that was one of the benefits of his contract when we got him.

[Bruno]

Im hoping SA can use Graham in a trade to be honest and make use of that contract vs having to eat that 2M (even though its not a big deal at all)

Yep, with the new CBA, this kind of partially guaranteed contract is way less useful than in the past but it's still better than a traditional contract. Spurs could use Graham's contract like Phoenix used CP3's contract last summer.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/langleyatl/status/1804300477217284499?s=46

[spurraider21]

A quick look at Spurs salary cap situation for this summer with $141M as salary cap (latest number given by the NBA).

Spurs will likely waive Graham, they will have $103.1M in guaranteed salary for 9 players (Vassell, Johnson, Collins, Wembanyama, Jones, Sochan, Branham, Wesley and Cissoko).
There are cap hold for #4 and #8: $15.4M
After that it will depend on what they do with their free agents and players with non-guaranteed contracts. There might have some incomplete roster charge to add.

If Spurs keep Champagnie, waive Bassey and renounce to their FAs (Osman, Mamu and Barlow), they will have $19.5M in cap space.
another side note is that our 2 biggest contracts, vassell/keldon, will be lighter from here on out. compounded with the expected cap increases under new media deal... should be good

Keldon:

2024 - 19
2025 - 17.5
2026 - 17.5

Vassell:

2024 - 29.3
2025 - 27
2026 - 27
2027 - 24.6
2028 - 27

OTOH zollins is owed 16.7 this year and 18 next

[RC_Drunkford]

why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.

[LeBowen]

why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.

Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

I don't want CP3 because he's done.
I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
$18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
Everyone says he's a high character guy.
That's the kind of vet we need.
And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

Would be the third best player on the roster.

If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.

[Sugus]

Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

I don't want CP3 because he's done.
I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
$18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
Everyone says he's a high character guy.
That's the kind of vet we need.
And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

Would be the third best player on the roster.

If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.

You know, I was down for getting CP3 despite his age, but Barnes is a much better choice. Hopefully he can be had as cheaply as you say...

[TD 21]

Because if we want to Wemby and actually useful guys to develop, we need them to have some competent teammates that are actually positive contributors.
Not Zach Collins level veterans, but actually useful veterans.

I don't want CP3 because he's done.
I don't think I want Harris, either. He's been embarrassingly bad with the Sixers. Even for a role player.

I'd take Harrison Barnes. Kings will get rid of him, can be had for some SRPs.
$18M and $19M over the next two years. Age 32 and 33 seasons. NBA champion, can play SF/PF, positive shooter and defender.
Everyone says he's a high character guy.
That's the kind of vet we need.
And he's better than any FA target we can get. And those FA targets would want longer deals.

Would be the third best player on the roster.

If we could by some chance scam the Kings and do a Collins-Barnes swap, it would be the best deal of the summer.

Barnes started to fall off a cliff last season. He's still useful and depending on how the draft shakes out, I wouldn't mind him, but the Kings aren't just going to give him away.

They don't need to free up space for Monk, so instead they're trying to turn Barnes, Huerter and draft capital into an upgraded big wing/forward (Grant, Kuzma, etc.).

[LeBowen]

You know, I was down for getting CP3 despite his age, but Barnes is a much better choice. Hopefully he can be had as cheaply as you say...

I wasn't even thinking about him, but the last few times I checked RealGM trade forum, there was a Barnes topic.
With Monk extension, they're over the cap and Barnes looks to be the odd man out considering his role keeps decreasing.
Went from 36 to 29mpg over the past three years.

One idea was #35 pick for us to absorb Barnes' salary.
Since Kings need a backup big, someone even suggested a Collins-Barnes swap.

I think the idea of Spurs absorbing Barnes' contract is realistic and really fits since we need to get a wing with reliable shot, either way.
Some years ago, there were reports of Pop really liking Barnes because of their team USA time together.

[exstatic]

Chris paul can come in and immediatley be our best playmaker.But hes pretty old and not his best anymore.
But it also sucked seeing wemby get himself open and nobody being able to get the ball to him cause this
team has no basketball iq.

I have the same feeling I have about Tobias Harris. We’re not going to compete for anything other than a play in. To do that, we need floor raising veterans on short contracts. Like Harris, I don’t care about Paul’s playoff shortcomings. That’s not likely to be an issue.

[RC_Drunkford]

Barnes would be aight, but the Spurs need to sign vets on short term deals who we can shop to contenders at the deadline and have enough cap room in 2025 to sign players.

[JuneJive]

They don't need to free up space for Monk, so instead they're trying to turn Barnes, Huerter and draft capital into an upgraded big wing/forward (Grant, Kuzma, etc.).

Keldon has entered the chat, eheh.

[Seventyniner]

I like the idea of signing Chris Paul. He's just about done as a player but he has always been a quintessential professional. The Spurs are in desperate need of veteran players to teach the young ones how to be true pros.

[alfahdlan]

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Don't kill the messenger.

in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.

[exstatic]

in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.

In an ideal world, if you want Chris Paul, you wait until GS releases him, then sign him to an MLE deal. The last thing you want is him tearing up your locker room looking for a follow on to his $30M contract. If you pick him off the scrap heap, that doesn’t become an issue.

[poopbox]

Why do people obsess over cp3 coming here?

Blake didn't like playing with him
Deandre didn't like playing with him
Ayton didn't like playing with him

I see a pattern...

[BacktoBasics]

in an ideal world, we trade for CP3 and draft his heir apparent in Sheppard to take the reins next. I would be so happy.

Paul is not a mentor. He’s a malcontent and ego driven person. It’s not a good fit.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Why do people obsess over cp3 coming here?

Blake didn't like playing with him
Deandre didn't like playing with him
Ayton didn't like playing with him

I see a pattern...

People don’t like playing with him because he tells them when they screw up. After a season or two it really grates on one. SGA has said he learned a ton from Paul. That’s why people want him. Short term teacher.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

why do people want players over 30 who'd just take playing time away from the young guys? I get getting a vet or 2 for the bench, but Harris or Paul? We should try to get players for the long term future.

Most athletes peak athletically at 27. Wemby is 20.

The question is when does his window open up? Next year, Wemby will certainly be an all star and possibly be all nba.

I understand team building takes time but the next strategic goal should be learning to win enough regular season games to get into the playoffs. Learning to win in the playoffs becomes the next goal.

The Spurs' roster is garbage and has no chance to make the playoffs next season even with 2 lottery picks. A 30 year old forward or guard might be a short term crutch but if that crutch gets Wemby playoff experience at age 20, it is worth it.

It is premature in terms of fit. How the draft goes down will dictate what vets to target but unless there is a conflict with Wemby I don't understand shying away completely from any vets.

[kobyz]

I would sign Tillman in FA

[DPG21920]

Interesting that Mitchell hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision

[onechance87]

Interesting that Mitchell hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision

maybe hes waiting to see what happens with garland

[DPG21920]

maybe hes waiting to see what happens with garland

Or the coaching hire…either way it’s a huge domino to watch

[itzsoweezee]

Paul is not a mentor. He’s a malcontent and ego driven person. It’s not a good fit.

“Chris Paul’s been a mentor for me for a long time, since high school. I’ve had a connection with him since then and always admired his game and he’s clearly a Hall of Famer," Brunson said.

“He’s a great mentor when it came to understanding how a guy on his level prepared over the summer for an NBA season,” Curry said (via the East Bay Times).

“How disciplined he was, his work ethic, I got to see that first-hand after summer league through the beginning of the season.” Curry credits Paul for teaching him how to prepare heading into his rookie year and helping his career start on a positive note.

“He helps me every day, whether it be manipulating a pick and roll in the game, or showing me things outside of the game that help you in life,” Gilgeous-Alexander said

"That's my guy, my mentor, my coach when I was in high school," Okogie said after a 11-point, 5-rebound, 4-assist, 3-steal, 3-turnover performance in a 78-69 victory that made the Wolves 2-1 in Vegas play. "Me and him have a relationship. It's kind of fun to have your coach-slash-future opponent here. It's cool, still showing love. That relationship probably is going to last a lifetime."

"He's meant a lot to me," Coby said of Paul. "When I started playing for CP3 when I was 16, he came to a game, and he pulled me aside, and we started talking. He knew about my life, who I was, and how I played. He said I played with a chip on my shoulder, and I had something to prove every time I played."

"So after that, he gave me his number, his contact and it just went from there. It's little things like that. It's Chris Paul. He doesn't have to take the time out to text me from time to time or call me and ask me how I'm doing. And I'm still in high school, I'm a high school kid, so that's a big part. And he played a big part whenever my father died."

[exstatic]

Interesting that Mitchell hasn’t signed yet….wonder if it’s all good or a signal that there’s real indecision

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

[LeBowen]

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

While it's somewhat of a scumbag move, he's got every right to do so.
He's about to turn 28 and he doesn't want to spend his prime on a treadmill team.

He single-handedly carried them against the Magic. Mobley was good, but everyone else on that Cavs roster was borderline embarrassing.
Allen had a similar ribcage injury to Luka and sat the final three games against Magic and the entire series against Celtics.
Obviously some of Garland's issues were because of bad fit with Mitchell, but he underperformed severely.

If Mitchell stays, their core will be Mitchell, Mobley, Strus.
Garland and Allen are definitely gone and they need to retool with what they get back in those trades. Won't be easy.
Don't forget that Cavs gave up a shitton for Mitchell and they surely wouldn't get those assets back in a trade. It's in their best interest to keep him or they're going to treadmill for many years with Garland-Mobley duo.

I'm not that high on Garland. If Spurs don't draft a point guard, my best offer would be Tre, Keldon, Chi '25 and #8 in this draft I guess. Or a bunch of SRPs.

[DPG21920]

The buzz is that he’s not going to extend until they offload Garland. He’s forcing the issue.

Hmmm interesting…I had not seen that. Sort of hard to believe since he could sign and tell them that is mandatory anyways and theres no way they would back out. Maybe its a leverage thing for CLE due to one Mitchell actually signs teams may think Garland has to go vs Mitchell maybe leaving and them spinning it as Garland is off limits unless a great offer comes in?

[Seventyniner]

People don’t like playing with him because he tells them when they screw up. After a season or two it really grates on one. SGA has said he learned a ton from Paul. That’s why people want him. Short term teacher.

Agreed. One year would be ideal.

[TD 21]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

[onechance87]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

hopefully for cheap and not over pay

[objective]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger

[TD 21]

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger

Yeah, but I doubt he exceeds that and I would think those teams will want him on a short term deal (2 or 1 + 1), to see if his 3 is for real (one good season, but to be fair it was a relatively small sample size of poor shooting before that). If not, he becomes valuable salary matching fodder in trades.

[objective]

Yeah, but I doubt he exceeds that and I would think those teams will want him on a short term deal (2 or 1 + 1), to see if his 3 is for real (fair to point out the one good season, but it was a relatively small sample size of poor shooting before that). If not, he becomes valuable salary matching fodder in trades.

Someone pointed it out in a thread earlier but in the Dunc'd On Mock Off-season podcast they had the Spurs signing him to 4/64. In the postmortem talk they did concede that was an unlikely number, but it's weird if that was a forecast for an eventually real Marshall signing

I don't even know that he's any better than Champagnie who is locked up for cheap. There's no great size advantage, for while Marshall has the +2.75" in wingspan on Champagnie, he's also an inch shorter barefoot

[scott]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

[TD 21]

Someone pointed it out in a thread earlier but in the Dunc'd On Mock Off-season podcast they had the Spurs signing him to 4/64. In the postmortem talk they did concede that was an unlikely number, but it's weird if that was a forecast for an eventually real Marshall signing

I don't even know that he's any better than Champagnie who is locked up for cheap. There's no great size advantage, for while Marshall has the +2.75" in wingspan on Champagnie, he's also an inch shorter barefoot

I don't see that, but who knows. With the rising cap from the new national tv deal, players like this are more difficult to project than ever.

He's 3.5 years older than Champagnie, but if his 3 is for real (strictly on spot ups/middling volume), then he's clearly better because he's a much better defender and slightly better rebounder.

I'd expect him to backup Sochan though.

[tbdog]

Dunc On are pretty high on Pelicans role players. With all the injuries, it makes sense why. Marshall fits a lot of teams.

[poopbox]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

90% of this site has no idea who he even is tbh

[Ariel]

So just teams that can pay more than the mle?

Lots of big money expectations for a career back up who had 1 solid 3pt shooting season and is a career 31% shooter from 3. If he's worth more than the MLE you might as well up the money and try for Patrick Williams, who's a career 41% from 3, more stocks per 100, scores more and is 3.5 years younger
Really, it's not that hard. I'd hope Spurs learned something from the Zach Collins deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Evan Sidery on X: The Pelicans are preparing to lose Marshall (which was obvious) in free agency, with the Pistons, 76ers and Spurs considered strong contenders to sign him.

I hope not

[TD 21]

Really, it's not that hard. I'd hope Spurs learned something from the Zach Collins deal.

The Spurs haven't changed their ways in the PATFO era. They're the most predictable (conservative/rigid) franchise in the league, which is why I always laugh at this "CIA Pop", "nothing leaks", etc. nonsense the brainwashed masses love to regurgitate.

If you've been a fan for a relatively extended period and have followed the league closely enough, you can literally narrow down what they would and wouldn't do.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805276639137296617

[BatManu20]

1805265230412628469

[NASpurs]

1805265230412628469

He's not gone yet but then maybe this should be taken into account that they'll probably select a big man instead of someone like Risacher.

[BatManu20]

He's not gone yet but then maybe this should be taken into account that they'll probably select a big man instead of someone like Risacher.

Yup. I still have the Hawks taking Sarr #1 overall, as I posted in the Draft topic thread a couple hours ago, despite the fact that he hasn't worked out with them. He has the highest upside in the draft, especially defensively, and I personally think ATL would be crazy to take a 3-and-D wing over him. Cappela was never the long-term answer in Atlanta and he only has 1 year left on his deal so he's obvious trade-bait. Great opportunity for Sarr to come in and start right away at the 5, where he would no doubt benefit from playing with Trae. I think he'd have a much better Rookie year with ATL catching lobs from Trae than he would WAS trying to clean up Jordan Poole's misses. Just makes more sense. Would be surprised if Sarr isn't the #1 pick tbh.

[DPG21920]

Marshall on 4/64 might irreparably melt this site’s server

wayyyy too much no?

[R. DeMurre]

In a couple of years 4/64 will essentially be the MLE.

[Ariel]

In a couple of years 4/64 will essentially be the MLE.
Yeah, but are we assured he's an MLE guy in a couple of years? Malik Monk went for 4 years 78M... they're different players, but I wouldn't say they're in the same tier in terms of what they have proven so far. Too many questions marks to make that leap IMO.

[scott]

wayyyy too much no?

Definitely, IMO. Marshall seems like a 3/30 guy at most for me. But I'll honestly say I'm not super familiar with his game and neither are most people on this board... which is why I feel 4/64 would lead to a meltdown. It would be a "who?!?!" type signing.

[LeBowen]

Definitely, IMO. Marshall seems like a 3/30 guy at most for me. But I'll honestly say I'm not super familiar with his game and neither are most people on this board... which is why I feel 4/64 would lead to a meltdown. It would be a "who?!?!" type signing.

Tbh, NOLA's wing rotation is one of the deeper in the league.
Ingram, Herb, Murphy, Dyson Daniels were all ahead of him. Obviously Zion is also a forward in their rotation.

Right now 30/3 feels about right, but as you say we don't have enough data on him to evaluate if he could have a bigger role.
Regardless of the draft, we definitely need another solid forward to fill the rotation.
My choice was Highsmith because I'm more familiar with him and he was solid for Miami.
Marshall is two years younger and was probably used in a less optimal role than Highsmith.

He played 26 minutes or more in just 11 games last season.
Averages 9ppg in those games. But then you look at the stats and he's got games where he was a non-factor.
Was it because of bad coaching or because he's actually a Tony Snell?
For example, b2b games in February at Knicks and Indiana.
He took 4 total shots in 56 minutes of play. But had 12 total rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks. So it's not like he's Snell-ing it out there.

64/4 would be way too risky, though. We already have a Collins.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1805322398452899983

[spurraider21]

ive always liked Reggie, and he's in a good spot there

[scott]

Haven't seen it posted yet, maybe because it comes as no surprise, but Scottie Barnes signing a max extension with TOR.

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[ace3g]

https://x.com/kendra__andrews/status/1805330329177407725

[lefty20]

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Well deserved, just for that 11/11 game against the Lakers.

[Sugus]

“Chris Paul’s been a mentor for me for a long time, since high school. I’ve had a connection with him since then and always admired his game and he’s clearly a Hall of Famer," Brunson said.

“He’s a great mentor when it came to understanding how a guy on his level prepared over the summer for an NBA season,” Curry said (via the East Bay Times).

“How disciplined he was, his work ethic, I got to see that first-hand after summer league through the beginning of the season.” Curry credits Paul for teaching him how to prepare heading into his rookie year and helping his career start on a positive note.

“He helps me every day, whether it be manipulating a pick and roll in the game, or showing me things outside of the game that help you in life,” Gilgeous-Alexander said

"That's my guy, my mentor, my coach when I was in high school," Okogie said after a 11-point, 5-rebound, 4-assist, 3-steal, 3-turnover performance in a 78-69 victory that made the Wolves 2-1 in Vegas play. "Me and him have a relationship. It's kind of fun to have your coach-slash-future opponent here. It's cool, still showing love. That relationship probably is going to last a lifetime."

"He's meant a lot to me," Coby said of Paul. "When I started playing for CP3 when I was 16, he came to a game, and he pulled me aside, and we started talking. He knew about my life, who I was, and how I played. He said I played with a chip on my shoulder, and I had something to prove every time I played."

"So after that, he gave me his number, his contact and it just went from there. It's little things like that. It's Chris Paul. He doesn't have to take the time out to text me from time to time or call me and ask me how I'm doing. And I'm still in high school, I'm a high school kid, so that's a big part. And he played a big part whenever my father died."

Thank you.

CP3 might have his issues, but he would undoubtedly be a great vet presence on the Spurs. We'd be lucky to get him.

[scott]

Looks like Kenny Atkinson is going to be the guy in Cleveland. Borrego moves into a front-runner position for the DET job.

[scott]

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That's kind of significant.

[spurraider21]

eh. i think it all comes down to him waiting to make an all nba team first for the bigger money

[CGD]

1805334356707123449

That's kind of significant.

Indeed! Is this a money thing though? Like is he better off waiting to get a bigger pay day next year?

[onechance87]

Indeed! Is this a money thing though? Like is he better off waiting to get a bigger pay day next year?

its for a sure a money thing

[LeBowen]

1805334356707123449

That's kind of significant.


could also qualify for a significantly larger max if he makes All-NBA.”

The only relevant bit.
He's got no reason to sign now.

If he doesn't sign, there will always be a GM dumb enough to trade for a point guard who's all about athleticism and will start his 50M+ a year contract at the age of 28.
What could possibly go wrong?

[scott]

The money angle is obvious but it's not apparent why you'd make the comment about wanting to see the team's long-term vision. It's easy enough (and completely understandable) just to say he's going to wait a season to see if he can earn a bigger deal... why stir the pot with the other comments? (Assuming this comes from his agents, though it could just be reporters making assumptions?)

[Seventyniner]

The money angle is obvious but it's not apparent why you'd make the comment about wanting to see the team's long-term vision. It's easy enough (and completely understandable) just to say he's going to wait a season to see if he can earn a bigger deal... why stir the pot with the other comments? (Assuming this comes from his agents, though it could just be reporters making assumptions?)

It's considered gauche to directly say that it's about the money, even though it's almost always about the money.

[exstatic]

1805254144875221321

Well deserved, just for that 11/11 game against the Lakers.

Keita wasn’t blessed with a ton of talent, but he maximized what he had, and did something that few second rounders ever do: he had a NBA career. Always have a soft spot for him hanging a 30 spot on the Lakers in a blowout win.

[Dejounte]

The only relevant bit.
He's got no reason to sign now.

If he doesn't sign, there will always be a GM dumb enough to trade for a point guard who's all about athleticism and will start his 50M+ a year contract at the age of 28.
What could possibly go wrong?

All about athleticism? What? Have you seen him play? Fox is the ideal type of point guard to play with Wemby. He’s like the modern Jrue.

[Dejounte]

Fox is fast. Probably one of the fastest guards in the league. Just the same as White is fast. And how Tony Parker was fast. Because Tony was fast, does that mean his game relied on athleticism? No. His game was more than that— he had killer finishes in the paint. Derrick’s game is beyond his speed— he plays defense and has become a reliable shooter. Fox? He has a deadly mid range game, a threat from deep, and blows by you. He’s also a steals ninja. Fox’s game has so much in it that saying he just relies on athleticism is crazy.

[LeBowen]

But those things are working because of his speed.
Defenders have to sag off him a bit more due to his penetration threat. An he's still not a great or efficent shooter.
73% FT, both career and season. Adds up when it matters the most.

Don't get me wrong, he's an all-star and a great player.
But if him and Sabonis are both all-NBA level players, Monk is 6MOTY candidate and they have a bunch of other solid guys, how come they can't even make the playoffs?

Giving Fox 50M+ a year is how you become a treadmill team. Which is fine for the Kings, I guess.
He's probably better than DJ, but if we take their contract situations into account, I'm taking DJ over Fox, easily.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think any guard who's just a regular all-star is worth 30% max in current state of the league.

[SpursDynasty85]

1805334356707123449

That's kind of significant.

Yup. Unless Keegan Murray turns into an all-star this year. They will be as good as last year and in the west that means they might miss the playoffs this season. They will need to either rebuild soon or trade for another all-star.

[SpursDynasty85]

All about athleticism? What? Have you seen him play? Fox is the ideal type of point guard to play with Wemby. He’s like the modern Jrue.

Bruh, don't disrespect Jrue like that. I'm definitely not hating on De'Aaron Fox because he's a stud but he's not nearly the plug and play type Jrue is. Dude guards Centers and forwards with relative ease and finishes in the paint like a PF. De'Aaron definitely more of a traditional modern PG and his Defense is nowhere near Jrue's level. De'Aaron is definitely worthy of a max contract but I don't see him making a first-team All-NBA and getting Super Max money. I could be wrong.

[BatManu20]

Fox will get the bag tbh. They're not letting him walk either way. He also turns 27 in December. Not sure he's on Wemby's timeline tbh. Guess a lot depends on who we draft in a couple days too.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Fox will get the bag tbh. They're not letting him walk either way. He also turns 27 in December. Not sure he's on Wemby's timeline tbh. Guess a lot depends on who we draft in a couple days too.

Wemby's timeline will likely include at least 2 point guards. That's one reason I'd like to see a trade for DJM. You can draft someone in the next couple of years to develop into the next point guard. It's a position that really requires several years to learn unless you are a Doncic. DJM's contract is team friendly and you wouldn't have to break the bank like Young. Plus he wouldn't be the big negative on defense. This Wemby's timeline mantra is way overblown.

[scott]

No surprises here, just a formality really.

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[NickiRasgo]

Keita wasn’t blessed with a ton of talent, but he maximized what he had, and did something that few second rounders ever do: he had a NBA career. Always have a soft spot for him hanging a 30 spot on the Lakers in a blowout win.

Same. He seems nice as well and always plays hard.

[TD 21]

Two Spurs like veterans who could come available if certain trades come to pass . . .

- The Pelicans are committed to starting Murphy III next season, so if Murray + for Ingram + happens, that would either render McCollum an expensive and probably disgruntled 6th man for a low budget franchise with looming financial issues or a salary dump candidate (Graham, Branham, Bassey, Hornets 1st?).

The again, the Magic might offer Anthony and a "real" 1st.

- The Kings seem determined to upgrade Barnes/Huerter/draft capital for Grant/Kuzma, etc. If it happens for Kuzma, the Wizards obviously won't have use for Barnes (Graham + Hornets 1st?).