2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[Bruno]

I wonder why Jamal Murray still hasn’t been extended. Nuggets probably trying to lowball him. They seem to be horrified by the tax and the second apron and are doing some horrible business as a result.

Obviously very unlikely for the Spurs to get him by the trade deadline or next summer but he’d be such a great fit.

https://x.com/HarrisonWind/status/1812546622263591339

[Spurs Homer]

Golden Boy has declined far more in recent years (closer to All-Star caliber than All-NBA at this point and well back of MVP) than the Warriors endless stooges in the media would have the masses believe.

Markkanen or not, their unprecedented luck ran out in '22 and they won't be sniffing championship contention again for the remainder of his career.

Nonetheless, he remains a cash cow and their future beyond him is uncertain, so it still makes sense to make a trade like this to pacify him and the media enough for his duration.

yup

im not gonna be mad if the warriors actually get lauri but lose kuminga and the rest of their future...

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Everything these fellas said was spot on and very apparent to anyone with half a brain.

Not sure if you’re trying to be clever here. My post was specifically about Windhorst and his agenda not the video in its entirety. I agree with some of the points made in the video. My main point of contention was Windhorst implying that Spurs management is trying to deceive Wemby with their plans for this year.

[CGD]

https://x.com/HarrisonWind/status/1812546622263591339

Still kinda shitty though. Will it still be that open and shut if he hurts himself during the Olympics?

[scott]

Still kinda shitty though. Will it still be that open and shut if he hurts himself during the Olympics?

Maybe it's Murray's decision to wait until after the Olympics?

He signed his last extension on July 24, 2019 - does he have to wait until July 24 to extend?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ESPNAusNZ/status/1812992028411895964

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1812985569783521336

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1813030437482311780

[Ariel]

Maybe it's Murray's decision to wait until after the Olympics?

He signed his last extension on July 24, 2019 - does he have to wait until July 24 to extend?
Why would he put off his payday though? To me it sounds more like Denver's way of saying 'go play for your NT at your own risk'. Especially given his injury history.

[DPG21920]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1813030437482311780

Fantastic

[scott]

Why would he put off his payday though? To me it sounds more like Denver's way of saying 'go play for your NT at your own risk'. Especially given his injury history.

He wants to focus? I legit have no clue. I know some NFL football players do this kind of thing… no clue why though. I’m with you, I wouldn’t risk injury before I secure the bag. Just throwing out possible explanations.

[Ice009]

Fantastic

Why is that fantastic?

[FlAVaK]

Why is that fantastic?

Helps make them better so they pick isn't protected

[Ice009]

Helps make them better so they pick isn't protected

Oh, right, I guess I wasn't thinking of Seth as a huge difference maker, but I guess he will help the team some.

[Ariel]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1813195039859683422
https://x.com/SiriusXMNBA/status/1813038343518912918

[ace3g]

https://x.com/tom_orsborn/status/1813260049311215991

[Mugen]

Should just make Mamu coming back official tbh.

[spurraider21]

Should just make Mamu coming back official tbh.
yeah its not exactly clear what the hangup is? unless they're still considering themselves in the Markkanen sweepstakes in a manner where they keep Sochan as well. with both Lauri/Sochan theres less need for Mamu.

otherwise it seems they're just primed to bring back Mamu and one of Bassey/Barlow

[Mr. Body]

Might be waiting to see if a nice player pops free from Summer League squads.

[exstatic]

yeah its not exactly clear what the hangup is? unless they're still considering themselves in the Markkanen sweepstakes in a manner where they keep Sochan as well. with both Lauri/Sochan theres less need for Mamu.

otherwise it seems they're just primed to bring back Mamu and one of Bassey/Barlow

I think Barlow is history.

[exstatic]

Might be waiting to see if a nice player pops free from Summer League squads.

I dont Think Mamu would be hanging around if they didn’t have some sort of framework already, and a mutual interest. They’ve already let it be known that they want Bassey back. That leaves zero roster spots for SL castoffs. My guess is that they’re still one or more irons in the fire waiting on action, then a Mamu and Bassey signing will happen.

[scott]

I wonder if there is some kind of obscure cap-related advantage to holding out on Mamu and Bassey, and that they already have deals in place but need to wait on the the timing of them for things they may be working on. I haven’t the slightest clue what those things might be, but just a hypothesis.

[Mugen]

Yeah Mamu isnt' hanging out with that many rostered guys if him coming back wasn't already set in stone. Not sure what the hold up is tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I dont Think Mamu would be hanging around if they didn’t have some sort of framework already, and a mutual interest. They’ve already let it be known that they want Bassey back. That leaves zero roster spots for SL castoffs. My guess is that they’re still one or more irons in the fire waiting on action, then a Mamu and Bassey signing will happen.

There are still fairly big pieces still needing to be situated in the league, not even talking about the Finn. The Spurs may be willing to move certain players i agree with others that Mamu and Bassey can wait. I'm not 100 sure about Bassey.

[DPG21920]

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[spurraider21]

as far as mamu goes, maybe they are exploring if they have a means to use their room exception for somebody worthwhile? and if they do... then mamu only gets vets min. but theyve told him if they dont make full use of the exception theyll give him some piece of that pie to get him more than the min?

[spurraider21]

he's back

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[spurraider21]

believe thats the min for him, so they still have the full room exception which can be used to sign some lingering FA or even trade into

[cutewizard]

Gentlemen

Are we done then?

[spurraider21]

more or less

we can pencil in Ingram as taking a 2-way deal. with Bouyea that makes 2, leaving open the last 2-way spot.

otherwise, barring a trade, it does seem like we are done. not making use of the room exception at all just feels bad tbh. the other important roster decisions are the 4th year options for Sochan/Branham/Wesley. Sochan's getting picked up is a given... but Branhan/Wesley options next year combine to about 9.5mil. thats a pretty hefty amount of space to lock into 2 guys with no obvious futures. i would be pretty surprised if Wesley's option is picked up. while i dont think Branham has earned his 4th year option, Pop really seems to like him

[LakerHater]

Guess we're pullin outta the Markkanen sweepstakes.

Looks like he's headed to Warriors

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Guess we're pullin outta the Markkanen sweepstakes.

Looks like he's headed to Warriors

No. We will use Keldon and Collins (plus picks) to land Lauri. Then use the Room Exception to sign a shooter.

[spurraider21]

Guess we're pullin outta the Markkanen sweepstakes.

Looks like he's headed to Warriors
we were going to have to send out salary to match in a lauri trade anyway, so not having a roster spot isnt whats getting in the way. its the price Utah wants.

[Ice009]

I was interested in getting Gary Trent Jr. for a season if he was willing to sign for a season only, or do you guys think he wouldn't have fit? I wonder what amount he signed for?

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Guess we're pullin outta the Markkanen sweepstakes.

Looks like he's headed to Warriors

The only way Lauri goes to Warriors is that Lauri has no basket ambition and prefers San Francisco life style. In this case, we don't want him anyway.

If he has ambition al all, (which I do believe he has), he would tell Warriors and Jazz that he will only extend with Spurs. In this case, Warriors will offer no more than 2 FRPs for a one-year rental. Spurs already offered 3 to 4 (I believe). So, eventually, before season starts, Jazz will accept Spur's offer.

Be patient guys. He is coming! We will be a top 4 team in the west. Then anything can happen in the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

wouldnt surprise me if Duke rounds out the 2-way guys along with Bouyea and Ingram

with these 1 year deals, next offseason looks like its going to be rocky. CP3, Tre Jones, Mamu, Bassey all expire. Sidy's deal is entirely non-guaranteed next year. have to believe that at least one of Wesley/Branham will have their options declined.

will have at least 2 more first round picks, and a ton of cap space

[tonight...you]

Gentlemen

Are we done then?
Not necessarily, but 90% most likely.

[Ariel]

with these 1 year deals, next offseason looks like its going to be rocky. CP3, Tre Jones, Mamu, Bassey all expire. Sidy's deal is entirely non-guaranteed next year. have to believe that at least one of Wesley/Branham will have their options declined.
That decision has to be made by October 31 at the latest, so we'll know that in a few months at most.

[Mr. Body]

wouldnt surprise me if Duke rounds out the 2-way guys along with Bouyea and Ingram

with these 1 year deals, next offseason looks like its going to be rocky. CP3, Tre Jones, Mamu, Bassey all expire. Sidy's deal is entirely non-guaranteed next year. have to believe that at least one of Wesley/Branham will have their options declined.

will have at least 2 more first round picks, and a ton of cap space

There's just way too many players stuffing the roster who are pretty marginal. It costs to get off most of them too soon. A lot will clear next summer, but yeah, the questions of filling the spots better are severe.

This summer has proven how valuable cap space is right now. Big expensive teams are still shaking things out with the CBA and bargains can be squeezed out. May be another team or two whose future can be mortgaged to the SAS to save their present while picking up a player here or there.

[Mr. Body]

But I think the 2025-2026 starters are more or less set. Pending changes, Wemby, Sochan, Harrison, Vassell, Castle, which is how we likely end this season. Creating lasting depth is the thing.

[spurraider21]

That decision has to be made by October 31 at the latest, so we'll know that in a few months at most.
yeah, thats gonna be after camp/preseason and even start of the reg season. hopefully they have enough of a picture of what these guys are showing by then. if its just more of the same... i'd decline both.

[Spurs Homer]

So we gave up the #8 pick for nothing….

[PhantomDashCam]

But I think the 2025-2026 starters are more or less set. Pending changes, Wemby, Sochan, Harrison, Vassell, Castle, which is how we likely end this season. Creating lasting depth is the thing.

I can’t see Paul being a part of the second unit, at least to start the season.
You also have to play Tre Jones too and he would be unlikely to share minutes with Paul in the backcourt for regular/long stretches.

[spurraider21]

I can’t see Paul being a part of the second unit, at least to start the season.
You also have to play Tre Jones too and he would be unlikely to share minutes with Paul in the backcourt for regular/long stretches.
i think mr body assumes Paul is the starter to begin the season and Castle is the starter to end the season

[scott]

I can’t see Paul being a part of the second unit, at least to start the season.
You also have to play Tre Jones too and he would be unlikely to share minutes with Paul in the backcourt for regular/long stretches.


i think mr body assumes Paul is the starter to begin the season and Castle is the starter to end the season


But I think the 2025-2026 starters are more or less set. Pending changes, Wemby, Sochan, Harrison, Vassell, Castle, which is how we likely end this season. Creating lasting depth is the thing.

Mr. Body was referring not to this coming season, but next season.

To which I say... I fucking hope not. Harrison Barnes is a bottom tier starting 3 in this league and at a MINIMUM I'd hope we could upgrade that position going into Wemby Year 3 (and I'm not quite ready to assume he's starting this year).

Also, Sochan will have to make a leap this year to stay a starter in Wemby Year 3, where we should have a solid playoff run as our target.

[PhantomDashCam]

i think mr body assumes Paul is the starter to begin the season and Castle is the starter to end the season

That may very well be the case. What happens to Tre J though as a result?

I hope all positions aren’t set in stone prior to training camp though. I can see a starting five of:

Paul, Castle, Vassell, Barnes and Wemby.
Then you bring in Keldon, Tre and Sochan about 50 -60% through the quarter - followed by Zach and Branham/Champ (whoever wins the designated “shooter” spot) about 80% through first quarter.

[PhantomDashCam]

Mr. Body was referring not to this coming season, but next season.

To which I say... I fucking hope not. Harrison Barnes is a bottom tier starting 3 in this league and at a MINIMUM I'd hope we could upgrade that position going into Wemby Year 3 (and I'm not quite ready to assume he's starting this year).

Also, Sochan will have to make a leap this year to stay a starter in Wemby Year 3, where we should have a solid playoff run as our target.

Ahh…well spotted. Thanks. Apologies to Mr. Body.

[scott]

That may very well be the case. What happens to Tre J though as a result?

I hope all positions aren’t set in stone prior to training camp though. I can see a starting five of:

Paul, Castle, Vassell, Barnes and Wemby.
Then you bring in Keldon, Tre and Sochan about 50 -60% through the quarter - followed by Zach and Branham/Champ (whoever wins the designated “shooter” spot) about 80% through first quarter.

Barnes and Sochan splitting time at the 4 (regardless of who starts) makes a lot more sense than forcing some other non-PF to play PF and some other SF to play another position like SG. It's not like Barnes is some stud who is a lock to start anyway.

Paul/Tre/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Champ/Keldon/Sidi
Sochan/Barnes/Mamu
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

With Castle playing a lot of the PG in his minutes.

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body was referring not to this coming season, but next season.

To which I say... I fucking hope not. Harrison Barnes is a bottom tier starting 3 in this league and at a MINIMUM I'd hope we could upgrade that position going into Wemby Year 3 (and I'm not quite ready to assume he's starting this year).

Also, Sochan will have to make a leap this year to stay a starter in Wemby Year 3, where we should have a solid playoff run as our target.

With luck we'll draft a great wing next time and there's our starter. Trading for someone is a possibility, lots of things can change.

[Seventyniner]

I was really hoping Champagnie wouldn't start anymore. He would be a solid contributor off the bench but he's like Bonner as a starter.

[Mr. Body]

I was really hoping Champagnie wouldn't start anymore. He would be a solid contributor off the bench but he's like Bonner as a starter.

I don't think he'll start at all. We'll probably see Barnes and Sochan as the wings/pfs.

[spurraider21]

That may very well be the case. What happens to Tre J though as a result?

I hope all positions aren’t set in stone prior to training camp though. I can see a starting five of:

Paul, Castle, Vassell, Barnes and Wemby.
Then you bring in Keldon, Tre and Sochan about 50 -60% through the quarter - followed by Zach and Branham/Champ (whoever wins the designated “shooter” spot) about 80% through first quarter.
We move on from Tre is what happens. Castle ideally is good enough to start. You get a cheaper vet backup. Paying Tre 2/20 made sense given that we needed him. The cap space it would take to retain Tre is better used elsewhere. Can always draft a backup pg prospect while you have some placeholder vet as the primary backup.

[scott]

I was really hoping Champagnie wouldn't start anymore. He would be a solid contributor off the bench but he's like Bonner as a starter.

Unfortunately we didn't really do anything to upgrade the SF position this offseason. Barnes is best suited as a backup PF, he's not really starting SF caliber but tbh, no one on our roster is if we don't want Castle to play there.

[Mr. Body]

Unfortunately we didn't really do anything to upgrade the SF position this offseason. Barnes is best suited as a backup PF, he's not really starting SF caliber but tbh, no one on our roster is if we don't want Castle to play there.

I don't see an issue, tbh. On defense, Sochan is mobile enough to cover wings. On offense, Wembanyama likes to use wing areas as much as anything. What's important is Barnes can stretch the floor.

[poopbox]

Barnes and Sochan splitting time at the 4 (regardless of who starts) makes a lot more sense than forcing some other non-PF to play PF and some other SF to play another position like SG. It's not like Barnes is some stud who is a lock to start anyway.

Paul/Tre/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Champ/Keldon/Sidi
Sochan/Barnes/Mamu
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

With Castle playing a lot of the PG in his minutes.

I don't know how you have Tre and Castle playing together and Castle being the point guard. Then what is Tre supposed to be doing? He's to small and unathletic to do anything else.

[scott]

I don't know how you have Tre and Castle playing together and Castle being the point guard. Then what is Tre supposed to be doing? He's to small and unathletic to do anything else.

Chinook previously posted some great examples of rotations where this can work. Players enter the game at different times, it's not wholesale unit changes.

[Arguendo]

Mr. Body was referring not to this coming season, but next season.

To which I say... I fucking hope not. Harrison Barnes is a bottom tier starting 3 in this league and at a MINIMUM I'd hope we could upgrade that position going into Wemby Year 3 (and I'm not quite ready to assume he's starting this year).

Also, Sochan will have to make a leap this year to stay a starter in Wemby Year 3, where we should have a solid playoff run as our target.
Yeah, Barnes would have to have a big career resurgence (or become an absolute sharpshooter not of nowhere) for it not to be a huge disappointment for him to be starting in 25’-26’.

& make/break yr for Sochan to prove he’s a starter. Needs a big step up in shooting & defensive consistency, otherwise he’s a clear bench guy (barring something like Steph becoming Jrue nearly immediately + getting a Lauri type where he could b a good glue guy)

[Arguendo]

I don't know how you have Tre and Castle playing together and Castle being the point guard. Then what is Tre supposed to be doing? He's too small and unathletic to do anything else.
Tre seems like a great trade candidate, at least if Steph shows any PG potential. Paul was promised minutes, Vassel needs to get 33+, Steph has to get min to develop, I think it’s clear the Spurs still see something in Bran (& maybe Wesley somehow), & Pop called Sidy his dream. Plus Champ won’t fall out of the lineup & Sochan will gets lots of min at 3 with a very durable Barnes at the 4.
Tre has real value as a top-end backup PG, injuries will happen on some contender/pretender & he’s an expiring I doubt they wanna pay. I think it’s very likely he gets moved unless Steph proves not to be a PG pretty early & Bran/Wesley continue to shit the bed.

[mystargtr34]

Sochan is the SF tbh. He will essentially guard all the opposing SF while Barnes takes the PF.

[spurraider21]

Unfortunately we didn't really do anything to upgrade the SF position this offseason. Barnes is best suited as a backup PF, he's not really starting SF caliber but tbh, no one on our roster is if we don't want Castle to play there.
i think you can comfortably start Barnes and Sochan together, and just have Sochan defend the tougher matchup. Sochan does fine against smaller/quicker players since he moves his feet well and has long arms. He could easily defend 3's if that allows Barnes to have an easier assignment.

[JPB]

Mr. Body was referring not to this coming season, but next season.

To which I say... I fucking hope not. Harrison Barnes is a bottom tier starting 3 in this league and at a MINIMUM I'd hope we could upgrade that position going into Wemby Year 3 (and I'm not quite ready to assume he's starting this year).

Also, Sochan will have to make a leap this year to stay a starter in Wemby Year 3, where we should have a solid playoff run as our target.

At that point, I wouldn't make that kind of assumptions or goals. Sure they have cap and picks but you don't put cap and picks in the floor, it has to materialize into quality players.

And the roster as of today, is still bottom of the NBA. We tanking next year again, spurs didn't really do aynthing to improve the quality of the team, whatever the "mentoring" they added wiil bring long term. And whatever Castle ceiling is, he won't be an established star year 2. It's gonna be a process.

then if you add one or two rookies next year, I guess it depends who it will be, but it's gonna be a learning curve too for them too, specially if it's not top ones. So it could basically depend on if spurs trade for a star... But what star will be available next year?

so yeah, not saying ti's impossible, but when you see the state of the spurs now, targetting a "deep" playoff run" in 2025-2026 will require a combination of luck, opportunities and aggressivity. specially if the pass on guys like Lauri. Not to mention the pressure is gonna get bigger and bigger to build a competitive team around Victor, which would remove some leverage in trade negociations for the spurs.

Then I'm not even sure what PATFOs plan is but we said spurs could make the play in last year, they won 22... then expected they would/should this year, but they probably won't, so Im' just gonna wait and see how it goes before projecting a deep PO run after this season.

[exstatic]

So we gave up the #8 pick for nothing….

Yeah, if you’re five years old, and have no sense of the future it’s nothing.

[poopbox]

Chinook previously posted some great examples of rotations where this can work. Players enter the game at different times, it's not wholesale unit changes.

Yeah I don't see us doing the hockey substitutions but if Tre and Castle play 49 seconds together in a game it's going to be the worst spaced 49 seconds of the game for the Spurs.

[scott]

i think you can comfortably start Barnes and Sochan together, and just have Sochan defend the tougher matchup. Sochan does fine against smaller/quicker players since he moves his feet well and has long arms. He could easily defend 3's if that allows Barnes to have an easier assignment.

From a logistical standpoint yes... but the bigger problem is that these guys aren't really that good. Even without looking at all the starting wing pairings in the league, this would be near the bottom. Sochan is a young, developing player who still has a chance... but Barnes is just a 32-year old role player. We'll see some improvement over last year, but wing talent remains a major weakness on this roster.

Luckily, we're (apparently) not trying to be too competitive this year.

[scott]

At that point, I wouldn't make that kind of assumptions or goals. Sure they have cap and picks but you don't put cap and picks in the floor, it has to materialize into quality players.

And the roster as of today, is still bottom of the NBA. We tanking next year again, spurs didn't really do aynthing to improve the quality of the team, whatever the "mentoring" they added wiil bring long term. And whatever Castle ceiling is, he won't be an established star year 2. It's gonna be a process.

then if you add one or two rookies next year, I guess it depends who it will be, but it's gonna be a learning curve too for them too, specially if it's not top ones. So it could basically depend on if spurs trade for a star... But what star will be available next year?

so yeah, not saying ti's impossible, but when you see the state of the spurs now, targetting a "deep" playoff run" in 2025-2026 will require a combination of luck, opportunities and aggressivity. specially if the pass on guys like Lauri. Not to mention the pressure is gonna get bigger and bigger to build a competitive team around Victor, which would remove some leverage in trade negociations for the spurs.

Then I'm not even sure what PATFOs plan is but we said spurs could make the play in last year, they won 22... then expected they would/should this year, but they probably won't, so Im' just gonna wait and see how it goes before projecting a deep PO run after this season.

You are right and I agree with you. A solid playoff run in Wemby Year 3 is what I think *should* be our goal, but you are spot on that it doesn't appear we are really building towards that, which is a shame because it will have meant we've not taken advantage of 75% of the years when we'll have an NBA Superstar on the equivalent of an MLE deal.

[scott]

Yeah I don't see us doing the hockey substitutions but if Tre and Castle play 49 seconds together in a game it's going to be the worst spaced 49 seconds of the game for the Spurs.

We had 145 minutes of Jones-Sochan-Branham lineups last year... poorly spaced lineups are just kind of Pop's jam :lol

[BackHome]

No matter how many people want it we are not the Lakers we just can’t attract and buy free agents like the big market teams can. So if you want to have any chance of winning a Championship sooner rather then latter you better pray that we get two good picks in 2025.

I honestly think we are good with Castle at PG, Vassell at SG, and Wemby at Center - I think this season these players will start to grow with each other and will find out if Sochan can be penciled in as a starter on a Playoff team. I am really high on the next draft because I honestly think we can find two legit starters if we stay in the top 10 of draft.

I read some posts talking about how good Houston is doing but people fail to mention they had a top 4 pick for 4 years straight. So going into 2025 hopefully we can also get a top 4 pick and then after that I am all in for gunning for a Championship

[spurraider21]

the lakers cant attract free agents either tbh :lol

[BackHome]

That is because you got 2 players taking up 100 million per season for the next 2 years. Lol

[Seventyniner]

the lakers cant attract free agents either tbh :lol

This. Klay Thompson didn't sign with them, for example.

On the other hand, you have people like Windhorst on record saying that players have told him they would be interested in playing with Wembanyama. That will be the real driver for the Spurs going forward. Once the Spurs finally build a true contender they will get all the ring-chasing vets they can handle.

[scott]

This. Klay Thompson didn't sign with them, for example.

On the other hand, you have people like Windhorst on record saying that players have told him they would be interested in playing with Wembanyama. That will be the real driver for the Spurs going forward. Once the Spurs finally build a true contender they will get all the ring-chasing vets they can handle.

I'll believe Wemby is a FA draw when we actually sign some FAs. We've heard for a long time that players would love to play for Pop, for example, but what they really mean is "I'd love to play for Pop... LMK when he starts coaching a team in another city"

[BackHome]

People said the same for David and then the same for Timmy

[Seventyniner]

I'll believe Wemby is a FA draw when we actually sign some FAs. We've heard for a long time that players would love to play for Pop, for example, but what they really mean is "I'd love to play for Pop... LMK when he starts coaching a team in another city"

We already got Chris Paul on a bargain contract. The only real big fish FA out there this summer was Paul George and he's at a point in his career where it made a lot more sense to take the Sixers' money.

I took Windhorst's words at face value, and his reputation as being connected with the players is pretty solid from what I have been able to tell.

I don't think the full Wemby Effect will be felt until he's a true MVP favorite, which is probably 2026-2027 or so.

[scott]

We already got Chris Paul on a bargain contract. The only real big fish FA out there this summer was Paul George and he's at a point in his career where it made a lot more sense to take the Sixers' money.

I took Windhorst's words at face value, and his reputation as being connected with the players is pretty solid from what I have been able to tell.

I don't think the full Wemby Effect will be felt until he's a true MVP favorite, which is probably 2026-2027 or so.

I'm not doubting that players said they'd love to team up with Wemby. I'm just doubting they actually will, until they actually do.

And did we get Chris Paul for a bargain contract, or for a market contract? I'm pleased with that signing, but I don't think we should pretend like getting 39-year old Chris Paul on a one year deal is the same as a big name free agent being drawn by the attraction of Wemby.

[DPG21920]

I'm not doubting that players said they'd love to team up with Wemby. I'm just doubting they actually will, until they actually do.

And did we get Chris Paul for a bargain contract, or for a market contract? I'm pleased with that signing, but I don't think we should pretend like getting 39-year old Chris Paul on a one year deal is the same as a big name free agent being drawn by the attraction of Wemby.

Barnes waived his trade kicker to come here as well….so off to a good start overall on that narrative I would say. Also, I think that if for example SA FO wanted to make a bigger splash you’d see most everyone (guys like Trae etc..) be all for that. It’s more of Spurs seemingly not wanting some of these guys than the opposite.

[taps]

If Tre qualifies as being a very good backup PG on a playoff team I’d like to keep him, personally. If we threw him in a trade we’d just have to go out and replace our 2007 Jacques Vaughan (if that’s his ceiling.) I would do that for a position of greater need. But CP won’t be around forever and if Tre is still standing as a quality Jacques Vaughan with a nice starter in front of him in a couple of years, why move him? I don’t feel like we’re going to do better than 2007 Jacques Vaughan for the 8th-10th rotation spot on a contending team.

[scott]

Barnes waived his trade kicker to come here as well….so off to a good start overall on that narrative I would say. Also, I think that if for example SA FO wanted to make a bigger splash you’d see most everyone (guys like Trae etc..) be all for that. It’s more of Spurs seemingly not wanting some of these guys than the opposite.

I'd liken CP3 signing here and Barnes waiving his trade kicker to moves like signing Michael Finley, or Robert Horry or Damon Stoudamire or T-Mac. We've always been able to get those kind of FAs. We've never been able to land the big fish, despite guys claiming they'd love to. The biggest FA we've ever been able to land was LMA, and there was a Texas connection there.

Maybe Wemby will change that, but we've heard all this chatter before. Until it happens, it's all just the same chatter we've always heard.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1814003451984294058

[spurraider21]

westbrook being traded to Utah only to be bought out is becoming a tradition

[scott]

Utah starting to utilize some of that cap space. They need to hold at least ~$15MM open if they plan on renegotiating and extending Lauri to the max. I think this takes them to around $33MM, so I don't think they're going to have any problems there.

I might end up following the Jazz more closely than I really want to, just because I'm fascinated by this team building direction.

[spurraider21]

Utah starting to utilize some of that cap space. They need to hold at least ~$15MM open if they plan on renegotiating and extending Lauri to the max. I think this takes them to around $33MM, so I don't think they're going to have any problems there.

I might end up following the Jazz more closely than I really want to, just because I'm fascinated by this team building direction.
if they trade Markkanen instead of renegotiating i wonder if they take Lavine off Chicago for a pick. they cant absorb his entire salary but they wouldnt have to send too much salary back

[Mr. Body]

Utah starting to utilize some of that cap space. They need to hold at least ~$15MM open if they plan on renegotiating and extending Lauri to the max. I think this takes them to around $33MM, so I don't think they're going to have any problems there.

I might end up following the Jazz more closely than I really want to, just because I'm fascinated by this team building direction.

Let us know if they have one.

[scott]

Let us know if they have one.

Right now the direction seems to be: "aimlessly driving America's interstate system, collecting as many roadside souvenirs as they find interesting, not sure where they are going... maybe they'll know it when the find it?"

[montgod]

if they trade Markkanen instead of renegotiating i wonder if they take Lavine off Chicago for a pick. they cant absorb his entire salary but they wouldnt have to send too much salary back

I hope not. A healthy, I know don't laugh, Lavine on the Bulls can only help Spurs' pick possibly conveying next yr as a 1st rounder.

[Dverde]

Clippers having to give up a pick to rid themselves of Westbrook :lol

[spurraider21]

Clippers having to give up a pick to rid themselves of Westbrook :lol
yes and no. they are giving Dunn 5/17, more then westbrook was making :lol

[montgod]

Clippers having to give up a pick to rid themselves of Westbrook :lol

I mean, Utah would probably still have the better pick depending on the yr so doubt they'd even swap.

[scott]

if they trade Markkanen instead of renegotiating i wonder if they take Lavine off Chicago for a pick. they cant absorb his entire salary but they wouldnt have to send too much salary back

The way they've kept an excess of cap space open COULD seem to indicate that they want to leave as many teams in the mix as possible for a possible trade for Lauri, Sexton or Clarkson. They accomplish this by leaving the space open to absorb salary far in excess of what they are sending out - so a team already flirting with the 1st or 2nd apron can not only match salary but create the space under the apron(s) they need in order to resign Lauri (doesn't apply as much to Sexton or Clarkson - they each have two years left). I'm sure Utah would happily accept a little extra draft compensation on top of the base deal to absorb some contracts the acquiring team needs to shed.

For us, it could mean that sending Keldon and Collins could be something Utah is amenable to (though at this point I'm fairly confident we're out of the picture).

For whatever reason, it seems like some teams are actually interested in Lavine, so I'm not sure Utah is going to be the right team for him... it kind of dead ends him in a weird place. I'm also thinking that Chicago doesn't really need to dump Lavine in order to tank. It's not like he's going to play that much anyway. It's kind of like having Ben Simmons on your team... just a god awful expensive guy on your team who never plays.

[scott]

Did a little more reading on some Jazz forums today, and the general consensus seems to be something that us Spurs fans can relate to: frustration that the FO seemingly has yet to pick a direction. It seemed like they were primed to tank for Wemby, but Hardy and Lauri caught them off-guard and pulled them up into treadmill land.

One commenter said what I've essentially been saying: Ainge is more concerned with fucking over teams over than he is with building up the Jazz. Another commenter even went as far to say that Ainge is holding the team back from a real rebuild with his desire to squeeze every last drop from a Lauri trade.

There's also some long-lasting shell shock among that fan base... the best draft pick they ever had was on Dominique Wilkins, who refused to play for them and got traded for some guys that combined played for 4 seasons and then were out of the league. One of their next highest ever picks was used on Enes Kanter... so the allure of high draft picks doesn't evoke the memories and excitement that we get here in San Antonio with DRob, Sean, Timmy, Wemby and now Castle.

Even Jazz fans seem to agree that sitting pat with Lauri is the least logical move for the Jazz at this point. Apparently fans feel like the team made real efforts to get OG, Mikal, PG13 and Tobias Harris and failed at them all. Without a move like that, then you're stuck in no man's land with Lauri. Might as well get the best deal you can and start the rebuild in earnest.

It was an interesting, and rather bleak, trip into the minds of Jazz fans. The only levity came when a Piston's fan chimed in with "trust me, hard tanking sometimes ain't all that great either". Maybe I'll go down a Pistons rabbit hole next... this is a great way to feel a lot better about what we're doing.

[LeBowen]

It was an interesting, and rather bleak, trip into the minds of Jazz fans.

They're kind of victims of never wanting to tank.
The only franchise in the league that never lost 60 games.
In 20 years they had just one season with less than 36 wins up until this one, but they had just 5 seasons with 50+ wins.
One conference finals and just 11/20 made playoffs.

The definition of a treadmill franchise.


Maybe I'll go down a Pistons rabbit hole next... this is a great way to feel a lot better about what we're doing.

Pistons and some other franchises are all the way on the other end of the spectrum. Too much tanking just ruins the culture and it's really hard to bring it back.
Yeah, they were really unlucky in the lottery over the past years, but still.

We can feel better about us, but the truth is that we've been in the lottery for 5 straight years, second longest streak behind the Pistons and if we didn't win the jackpot with 14% odds, we'd still be a top3 worst team in the league with at least two more years of tanking ahead of us.

[Mr. Body]

Did a little more reading on some Jazz forums today, and the general consensus seems to be something that us Spurs fans can relate to: frustration that the FO seemingly has yet to pick a direction. It seemed like they were primed to tank for Wemby, but Hardy and Lauri caught them off-guard and pulled them up into treadmill land.

One commenter said what I've essentially been saying: Ainge is more concerned with fucking over teams over than he is with building up the Jazz. Another commenter even went as far to say that Ainge is holding the team back from a real rebuild with his desire to squeeze every last drop from a Lauri trade.

There's also some long-lasting shell shock among that fan base... the best draft pick they ever had was on Dominique Wilkins, who refused to play for them and got traded for some guys that combined played for 4 seasons and then were out of the league. One of their next highest ever picks was used on Enes Kanter... so the allure of high draft picks doesn't evoke the memories and excitement that we get here in San Antonio with DRob, Sean, Timmy, Wemby and now Castle.

Even Jazz fans seem to agree that sitting pat with Lauri is the least logical move for the Jazz at this point. Apparently fans feel like the team made real efforts to get OG, Mikal, PG13 and Tobias Harris and failed at them all. Without a move like that, then you're stuck in no man's land with Lauri. Might as well get the best deal you can and start the rebuild in earnest.

It was an interesting, and rather bleak, trip into the minds of Jazz fans. The only levity came when a Piston's fan chimed in with "trust me, hard tanking sometimes ain't all that great either". Maybe I'll go down a Pistons rabbit hole next... this is a great way to feel a lot better about what we're doing.

This suggests why good relationships with other GMs and franchises helps. The Spurs have good relationships with Toronto and Miami, off the top of my head, and probably pretty good with NOP. These are franchises we've made trades with lately, and more than once. Miami and San Antonio have strong relationships and we've helped them cut salary. Toronto and the Spurs have made more than one trade.

Another relationship popped back up with the DeRozan trade with Chicago. I've never heard about intimate appreciation between CHI and SAS the way we have Masai or Riley and our FO, but no one really felt they got screwed with the DDR trade to the Bulls. It's what they wanted, it was fair, and no hard feelings.

A good relationship probably depends on not trying to screw the other guy over; you want both parties to come away with something they needed, and that history probably helped the Spurs grease the wheels between Sacramento and Chicago, both of whom got what they wanted - Sacto getting a boost of a player they wanted, Chicago not losing him for nothing. The Spurs got a free Harrison Barnes out of thin air.

That's... not something I think Ainge can engineer. As far as I know, he doesn't have those relationships, and Lacob's recent comments are peculiar for how aggressive they were in pointing out a problem. Ainge has a reputation for trying to strong arm and win every deal, when mutual benefit is what keeps these channels open.

[scott]

They're kind of victims of never wanting to tank.
The only franchise in the league that never lost 60 games.
In 20 years they had just one season with less than 36 wins up until this one, but they had just 5 seasons with 50+ wins.
One conference finals and just 11/20 made playoffs.

The definition of a treadmill franchise.



Pistons and some other franchises are all the way on the other end of the spectrum. Too much tanking just ruins the culture and it's really hard to bring it back.
Yeah, they were really unlucky in the lottery over the past years, but still.

We can feel better about us, but the truth is that we've been in the lottery for 5 straight years, second longest streak behind the Pistons and if we didn't win the jackpot with 14% odds, we'd still be a top3 worst team in the league with at least two more years of tanking ahead of us.

Thanks for reminding me of this - there is definitely some degree of pride in the fact that apparently the Jazz have the best-worst record in league history (meaning, if you ranked all franchise's worst season in history, the Jazz have the best one). Weird thing to be proud of, but when you're Utah Jazz I guess every milestone counts.

[scott]

This suggests why good relationships with other GMs and franchises helps. The Spurs have good relationships with Toronto and Miami, off the top of my head, and probably pretty good with NOP. These are franchises we've made trades with lately, and more than once. Miami and San Antonio have strong relationships and we've helped them cut salary. Toronto and the Spurs have made more than one trade.

Another relationship popped back up with the DeRozan trade with Chicago. I've never heard about intimate appreciation between CHI and SAS the way we have Masai or Riley and our FO, but no one really felt they got screwed with the DDR trade to the Bulls. It's what they wanted, it was fair, and no hard feelings.

A good relationship probably depends on not trying to screw the other guy over; you want both parties to come away with something they needed, and that history probably helped the Spurs grease the wheels between Sacramento and Chicago, both of whom got what they wanted - Sacto getting a boost of a player they wanted, Chicago not losing him for nothing. The Spurs got a free Harrison Barnes out of thin air.

That's... not something I think Ainge can engineer. As far as I know, he doesn't have those relationships, and Lacob's recent comments are peculiar for how aggressive they were in pointing out a problem. Ainge has a reputation for trying to strong arm and win every deal, when mutual benefit is what keeps these channels open.

Indeed (and it also makes me wonder about the Spurs relationship with other folks where they have more direct connections, like OKC and BKN. We haven't really done business with them, but I would imagine there are good vibes from Presti and Marks). I'd also add MIN to the list of teams we seem to have good relations with, having made draft day trades with them in consecutive years.

In the end, I think it's a stark reminder that there is a difference between winning battles and winning wars. Post-Boston Ainge (and maybe even late-Boston Ainge) is winning battles (individual trades) while not winning the war (building a winning team). The current Boston team has foundations built by Ainge, that come mostly from taking advantage of a Nets team who wanted to go all in with aging stars, but it was Stephens who put all the necessary finishing touches on. Utah Ainge is winning battles, but has nothing to show for it.

There is also a lessen in there for the Spurs. We are also winning battles without yet having made tangible progress towards winning the war, but I feel like we've won battles in the way that *should* better allow us to ultimately win the war. But we've actually yet to turn that corner, so we'll see.

Matt Tynan previously stated that he felt the Spurs were fighting against a "Spurs tax" - basically that having Wemby means that we have to pay extra because teams don't want to help us create a monster they cannot contain. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, but it seems like our FO has done it's part to try and mitigate that through good relationship building.

This has been me, complimenting our FO. Anything is possible.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1814347711354683576

[Chinook]

Ha. The Spurs traded Dan's rights as a "touch" in the DeMarre Carroll trade. Not that he amounted to much, but it's another casualty of that disastrous off-season.

[CGD]

Man i haven’t heard that Dangubich name in a while.

[The Truth #6]

Ziaire seemed too delicate for the the Grit n Grind culture there.

[The Truth #6]

Also, back to Utah and LM, he seems like the White Knight that Utah fans seem to pine for, and the team seeks out, so I have to guess he wants out but isn't saying it? If so, perhaps he should start saying it to get things moving.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Also, back to Utah and LM, he seems like the White Knight that Utah fans seem to pine for, and the team seeks out, so I have to guess he wants out but isn't saying it? If so, perhaps he should start saying it to get things moving.

I believe LM already told Utah that he wants to be traded and will not sign extension.

On the other hand, even if Lauri wants to stay, Utah would still want to trade him in order to tank hard.

For now, Utah is still pretending that they don't want to trade him. But, pretty soon, then cannot pretend anymore.

It will happen before season starts. August 6th will be very clear and trade talks will get moving again.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1814841852375544032

[cutewizard]

Guys

Have you heard Cam Johnson moves?

[cutewizard]

Do you like Cam Johnson

[Atl Spur]

That Devin contract looks pretty solid these days huh? lol 🤡’s

[Bruno]

Guys

Have you heard Cam Johnson moves?

https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/1814747364097466498

It sounds like an educated speculation, nothing more.

[Bruno]

The new NBA TV deal make that every NBA contract will now have a decreasing structure compared to cap percentage:
- Salary cap will raise by 10% each year.
- Max raise in a contract is 8% of the first year.

For a 5 years contract, the player's salary will raise by 32% over the course of his contract while the cap will raise by 46.4% in that period.

When you combine the constant rise of the cap with a flat or decreasing salary, it allows teams to create some huge future flexibility.
Spurs did that with Devin Vassell extension:
- In 2024/2025, his salary will be 20.9% of the cap.
- In 2027/2028, his salary will be 13.1% of the cap.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1815053699858706664

[scott]

The new NBA TV deal make that every NBA contract will now have a decreasing structure compared to cap percentage:
- Salary cap will raise by 10% each year.
- Max raise in a contract is 8% of the first year.

For a 5 years contract, the player's salary will raise by 32% over the course of his contract while the cap will raise by 46.4% in that period.

When you combine the constant rise of the cap with a flat or decreasing salary, it allows teams to create some huge future flexibility.
Spurs did that with Devin Vassell extension:
- In 2024/2025, his salary will be 20.9% of the cap.
- In 2027/2028, his salary will be 13.1% of the cap.

One fascinating element to this is whether or not certain players will prefer shorter-term max deals to long-term max contracts. There is a big injury gamble at stake, but a Top-5 player could make more by doing successive 1+1 (player options) for the max, especially 10 year+ veterans who can sign 35% max deals. Most guys would prefer the security of the long term deal, but it will be interesting to watch.

[scott]

Boston going deep into 2nd apron territory.

[lefty20]

Boston going deep into 2nd apron territory.

Current owner getting the fuck out there before those tax bills & other restrictions come into play.

[Seventyniner]

Boston going deep into 2nd apron territory.

Too bad our swap with them is 2028 and not 20131. They are going to crash hard once their firsts start getting frozen and moved to #30 overall.

[tonight...you]

Too bad our swap with them is 2028 and not 20131. They are going to crash hard once their firsts start getting frozen and moved to #30 overall.
The freezes start in 20131 from here on out I believe.

[FireMicoHalili]

https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/1814747364097466498

It sounds like an educated speculation, nothing more.
lol yeah considered by who? Wannabe sauces

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1815430276698251354

[Leetonidas]

lol yeah considered by who? Wannabe sauces

Chuck Miketinac and Don Harris :lol

[Ariel]

https://x.com/JWeinbachNBA/status/1814747364097466498

It sounds like an educated speculation, nothing more.

The Spurs should still be active on the trade market with Brooklyn's Cam Johnson considered to be a possible target.

San Antonio would likely dangle Keldon Johnson and draft compensation in trade talks to further upgrade the roster around victor Wembanyama this season.
This is wanna-be journalism at its peak. I've posted more based speculation on this board. Shameless.

[scott]

This is wanna-be journalism at its peak. I've posted more based speculation on this board. Shameless.

All any of us need is a InsertNameNBA twitter handle and we too can be insider journos! Eric Zhang, watch out!

[scott]

1815478417887723923

An interesting development on the business side of the league.

[RC_Drunkford]

Would be great if TNT keeps NBA broadcasting rights. Can‘t imagine watching the NBA without Inside

[scott]

Would be great if TNT keeps NBA broadcasting rights. Can‘t imagine watching the NBA without Inside

Some interesting reading on this. Apparently the league wants (and likely wrote the Amazon deal to accomplish this) more streaming options and to start moving away from cable-based packaged. Apparently the NBC deal includes this. To "match", the TNT offer likely includes a streaming component (Max?). I've heard rumors of some streaming services consolidating services via joint venture, so maybe that is baked into TNT's matching as well. Some speculation even that TNT's match may eventually end up funneling through Amazon.

[scott]

But agree, saving Inside would be the most important component of this... though Chuck has already said he is retiring. Wonder if he'll stick with that if TNT keeps the rights.

[couchman]

Chuck will stick around for the right $$$

[Chinook]

I hate Inside and hope the NBA is able to keep TNT out of the new TV deal.

[Ariel]

I hate Inside and hope the NBA is able to keep TNT out of the new TV deal.
https://c.tenor.com/_S4exbPkwUUAAAAd/tenor.gif

So we finally get to put a face on the name :lol

[DAF86]

I hate Inside and hope the NBA is able to keep TNT out of the new TV deal.

And then you say you aren't a contrarian. :lol

[Leetonidas]

I wouldn't say I hate Inside the NBA because it is funny but I also find it to be super overrated in general because it's entire purpose is comedy and there is zero actual insight or analysis on that show. It's pretty obvious that they don't watch basketball when it's not on the night their show is on and they constantly spout tired cliches and tropes. With Barkley retiring after the next season what's the point anyway. Hope Amazon finds a way to keep the deal.

[lefty20]

I hate Inside and hope the NBA is able to keep TNT out of the new TV deal.

Inside is good. But it'd be even better without Shaq. They also need to stop inviting Draymond. I really hope Dray doesn't become a regular after his retirement. If that were to happen, then I'd agree with you 100%.

[Chinook]

And then you say you aren't a contrarian. :lol

I said that on RGM months ago. It's a horrible show. The best thing about the Spurs being bad recently is fewer TNT games.

[scott]

Chinook just standing up for dem' big ol' churro lovin' ladies of San Anto

[TD 21]

I wouldn't say I hate Inside the NBA because it is funny but I also find it to be super overrated in general because it's entire purpose is comedy and there is zero actual insight or analysis on that show. It's pretty obvious that they don't watch basketball when it's not on the night their show is on and they constantly spout tired cliches and tropes. With Barkley retiring after the next season what's the point anyway. Hope Amazon finds a way to keep the deal.

Mostly agree, except I doubt that coon will retire after next season. Even had they not matched, he loves the attention and adulation too much to give it up.

He pretended in the mid 90s he was going to retire as a player, he's been pretending for years as a broadcaster that he doesn't love it as much as he clearly does (like Pop coaching); it's all part of the shtick.

Basketball analysis on TV remains mostly terrible.

[rjv]

"coon"? damn, i must have somehow logged onto another version of this universe where this forum is set in the Deep South during the 50's.

[SpursFan86]

Way I see it: the analysis on mainstream TV is mediocre at best regardless of the network. Are we really going to act like Perkins and SAS on ESPN are providing actual valuable analysis? Do people think that NBC or any other network won’t end up offering the same surface level/low quality product in terms of actual analysis?

At least Inside the NBA is legitimately funny and entertaining. I don’t watch it for hard hitting basketball insights; it’s just an actually entertaining show that consistently makes me laugh (much more than I can say for ESPN or NBATV’s product). I hope they find a way to stay involved.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah I kinda hate Inside lol but it reminds me of the mid 00s Spurs runs so it's kinda nostalgic and I hope they preserve it in the new deal

[exstatic]

Inside has been coasting for a long time, jumped the shark probably 7-8 years ago.

[monkeypunk]

Mostly agree, except I doubt that coon will retire after next season.

What's this bullshit about?

[exstatic]

What's this bullshit about?

He’s a racist asshole.

[Mr. Body]

Way I see it: the analysis on mainstream TV is mediocre at best regardless of the network. Are we really going to act like Perkins and SAS on ESPN are providing actual valuable analysis? Do people think that NBC or any other network won’t end up offering the same surface level/low quality product in terms of actual analysis?

At least Inside the NBA is legitimately funny and entertaining. I don’t watch it for hard hitting basketball insights; it’s just an actually entertaining show that consistently makes me laugh (much more than I can say for ESPN or NBATV’s product). I hope they find a way to stay involved.

Man, you should watch some other sports. Baseball announcers can get into the nitty gritty of how pitches are thrown or shifts made, whatever. Yeah, it's a slower game, but they do. Premier League soccer teams do a good job of breaking down what teams are trying to do and so on.

Basketball is the fucking worst. Pro-basketball, that is. College is still pretty good, but NBA commentators have to be asked to be the stupidest motherfuckers possible. No analysis, no discussion of what's going on. Yes, a good amount is the ESPN-ification of sports-u-tainment, just fucking dreadful, sticking their tongues up the stars' asses (Durant or LeBron preferably) and just ooh and aah whenever something supposedly exciting happens.

[Mr. Body]

Inside has been coasting for a long time, jumped the shark probably 7-8 years ago.

It was genius with just Kenny and Charles. When they added Shaq that was about it.

[Obstructed_View]

"coon"? damn, i must have somehow logged onto another version of this universe where this forum is set in the Deep South during the 50's.
Coon is what democrat voters call a black person who doesn't know their place.

[TD 21]

Uncle Tom was the term I was thinking of.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into it because anything I say will be misconstrued, spun or taken out of context. Just know that it's not an uncommon opinion among many blacks and it's unlikely you'll be able to see it from their perspective.


He’s a racist asshole.

:lmao At this coming from your miserable, apologist ass.

[heyheymymy]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/rgegj1AOR1IAAAAC/awkward-black.gif

[exstatic]

Coon is what democrat voters call a black person who doesn't know their place.

:lol. Maybe in 1948 when eventual Republican Strom Thurmond broke from the party ranks to run independently. You people need to refresh your browsers. Every racist left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights bill passed in the 60s, taking a short walk across the aisle to the GOP seating area.

[BacktoBasics]

:lol. Maybe in 1948 when eventual Republican Strom Thurmond broke from the party ranks to run independently. You people need to refresh your browsers. Every racist left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights bill passed in the 60s, taking a short walk across the aisle to the GOP seating area.

These people don’t care about history. They repeat far right canned responses because they don’t have the ability to think independently let alone read back about the historical context of racism in this country.

[SpursFan86]

https://gifdb.com/images/high/train-wreck-smashing-exploding-wyfc2tv8506qd0po.gif

Live look at this thread :lol

[Pauleta14]

Inside the NBA used to be great, but they should have let it go. It's time.

Since Shaq arrived it's become more of a comedy show and if they intend to bring Draymond it'll become unwatchable

[rjv]

Coon is what democrat voters call a black person who doesn't know their place.

from what i know of history, it's what both registered dems and republicans used. the common denominator was (and is) that they are generally, insecure, close-minded, uneducated, conditioned or just plain ol' racist.

[rjv]

Some interesting reading on this. Apparently the league wants (and likely wrote the Amazon deal to accomplish this) more streaming options and to start moving away from cable-based packaged. Apparently the NBC deal includes this. To "match", the TNT offer likely includes a streaming component (Max?). I've heard rumors of some streaming services consolidating services via joint venture, so maybe that is baked into TNT's matching as well. Some speculation even that TNT's match may eventually end up funneling through Amazon.

the NBA wants to cash in on what the NFL is already cashing in on, the ability to use advertising to target demographics of streamers with more specific ads.

[John B]

They come and go. Back then it was Ahmad Rashad NBA Inside Stuff. I doubt any viewers watched Barkeley, Kenny or even Shaq played. Younger former NBA players will soon takeover. It’s the nature of broadcasting on any sport.

[Ice009]

They come and go. Back then it was Ahmad Rashad NBA Inside Stuff. I doubt any viewers watched Barkeley, Kenny or even Shaq played. Younger former NBA players will soon takeover. It’s the nature of broadcasting on any sport.

I'm not following what you're saying? How long as Inside the NBA been around for? Do you mean people used to watch Inside Stuff and then moved onto Inside the NBA? How long was Inside Stuff around for and did it coincide with Inside the NBA? Did Inside the NBA eventually beat it out?

[exstatic]

I'm not following what you're saying? How long as Inside the NBA been around for? Do you mean people used to watch Inside Stuff and then moved onto Inside the NBA? How long was Inside Stuff around for and did it coincide with Inside the NBA? Did Inside the NBA eventually beat it out?

The gist is that it might be time for it to go away, and be replaced by something else, just like it replaced it’s predecessor.

[LeBowen]

I don't remember the last time I watched a pre/post game show that wasn't Inside.
But I agree they should go. Chuck always said he'll retire early and he's 61. Extended his contract only to help TNT secure another deal. Ernie is 67.
Shaq used all his gimmicks and is just annoying nowdays. Kenny is the wannabe serious analyst, but doesn't actually watch games and doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time.
It's better for them to end on a high note.

Amazon would surely generate more viewership and exposure.

The issue I have with other networks, mainly ESPN, is that they're trying to copy Inside and it's simply not working.
Stop trying to force the comedic element and give us some actual insight instead of having all those clowns on TV 24/7.

I'm all for Amazon if their plan is to make their shows actually insightful and worth watching for people who actually want to hear some serious basketball analysis.

[RC_Drunkford]

a lot of old white guys on this forum, so it seems...

[TD 21]

^

Miserable, close-minded ones at that. Sure, I stepped in it by using the wrong term (was scrolling through a thread on this elsewhere online and saw it, so the word must have been stuck in my mind) and deserved the initial scorn . . . but once that was explained, that should have been the end of it.

Instead, their dislike of me was utilized as a springboard to make a mountain out of a molehill, derail a thread and claim that I, an unabashed anti-racist, is in fact the opposite. :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

:lol. Maybe in 1948 when eventual Republican Strom Thurmond broke from the party ranks to run independently. You people need to refresh your browsers. Every racist left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights bill passed in the 60s, taking a short walk across the aisle to the GOP seating area.
Lol ok. Only time I've seen that word used, it was directed at Larry Elder, Candice Owens, Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice. Ain't republicans calling them that.

[rjv]

^

Miserable, close-minded ones at that. Sure, I stepped in it by using the wrong term (was scrolling through a thread on this elsewhere online and saw it, so the word must have been stuck in my mind) and deserved the initial scorn . . . but once that was explained, that should have been the end of it.

Instead, their dislike of me was utilized as a springboard to make a mountain out of a molehill, derail a thread and claim that I, an unabashed anti-racist, is in fact the opposite. :lmao

to be sure, very different terms. admittedly, i was rather surprised to see it was you as i expected the comment from the usual suspects. i was like "oh, shit, not TD too!" anyway, thanks for clarifying and on to disagreeing about basketball.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1816096386485465595

[Strategic]

Wow 20 mil a year for Nembhard. I thought he looked like a mid rotation player

[Leetonidas]

^

Miserable, close-minded ones at that. Sure, I stepped in it by using the wrong term (was scrolling through a thread on this elsewhere online and saw it, so the word must have been stuck in my mind) and deserved the initial scorn . . . but once that was explained, that should have been the end of it.

Instead, their dislike of me was utilized as a springboard to make a mountain out of a molehill, derail a thread and claim that I, an unabashed anti-racist, is in fact the opposite. :lmao

I was gonna say, you're the only usually hating on racists :lol I assumed you were black tbh

[ace3g]

The Spurs will be one team to monitor for Nembhard moving forward, sources said, after San Antonio registered trade interest in Nembhard this offseason. Before San Antonio brought Chris Paul to organize the Spurs’ offense around Victor Wembanyama, sources said San Antonio called various teams around the league exploring veteran guards who have still yet to enter their primes. Cavaliers All-Star guard Darius Garland was another talented ball-handler the Spurs called about, sources said, although Cleveland has rebuffed any inbound trade interest for Garland to date.

https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-nembhards-contract-extension-with-pacers-sets-up-another-big-payday-in-2028-153241255.html

[exstatic]

Wow 20 mil a year for Nembhard. I thought he looked like a mid rotation player

You understand that stars now make $60M per year, right? Tatum just signed for that. $20M is the new $10M. It’s nothing.

[CGD]

https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-nembhards-contract-extension-with-pacers-sets-up-another-big-payday-in-2028-153241255.html

I still very much think Garland is the top target should the Cavs go sideways.

[Chinook]

Nembhard can't shoot, so the Spurs' interest in him would check out.

[Strategic]

You understand that stars now make $60M per year, right? Tatum just signed for that. $20M is the new $10M. It’s nothing. ok. I guess he’s a couple mil a year better than Z Collins also, who I consider a mid rotation player. Do you know the Celtics just signed Sam hauser, a mid rotation player, for 11 mil per year last week?

[The Truth #6]

^

Miserable, close-minded ones at that. Sure, I stepped in it by using the wrong term (was scrolling through a thread on this elsewhere online and saw it, so the word must have been stuck in my mind) and deserved the initial scorn . . . but once that was explained, that should have been the end of it.

Instead, their dislike of me was utilized as a springboard to make a mountain out of a molehill, derail a thread and claim that I, an unabashed anti-racist, is in fact the opposite. :lmao

I never thought you were racist, but maybe a little more humility could be helpful when throwing big statements? Just spitballing.

[Chinook]

Lol ok. Only time I've seen that word used, it was directed at Larry Elder, Candice Owens, Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice. Ain't republicans calling them that.

While the whole "The Democrats are the real racists" idea is stupid, I will say thinking the Dems don't have racists (so not even getting into systemic shit) is probably just as dumb. One of the most racist posters on ST is an ardent Dem supporter. There are whole regions of the country that are strong liberal bastions but whose egalitarian values lie very much on the NIMBY side.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol. Maybe in 1948 when eventual Republican Strom Thurmond broke from the party ranks to run independently. You people need to refresh your browsers. Every racist left the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights bill passed in the 60s, taking a short walk across the aisle to the GOP seating area.

It's pretty incredible to look at the Eisenhower/Adlai Stevenson races, and see that Eisenhower won both in landslides, with the southern states being the only block that went for Stevenson. It's the complete opposite now, and it's nearly unthinkable to picture a race where the Republican wins New York and California while the Democrat wins Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana.

[Leetonidas]

While the whole "The Democrats are the real racists" idea is stupid, I will say thinking the Dems don't have racists (so not even getting into systemic shit) is probably just as dumb. One of the most racist posters on ST is an ardent Dem supporter. There are whole regions of the country that are strong liberal bastions but whose egalitarian values lie very much on the NIMBY side.

Which poster is that? Will Hunting? :lol

[Robz4000]

Which poster is that? Will Hunting? :lol

:lol there's quite a few iirc

[Ginobili2Duncan]

While the whole "The Democrats are the real racists" idea is stupid, I will say thinking the Dems don't have racists (so not even getting into systemic shit) is probably just as dumb. One of the most racist posters on ST is an ardent Dem supporter. There are whole regions of the country that are strong liberal bastions but whose egalitarian values lie very much on the NIMBY side.

Democrats just engage in a different form of racism when they not only pander the blacks at the lower end of the socioeconomic class in our communities but also make them our representation. You’ll rarely see ever see two blacks with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks.

[Spurs9]

Wow 20 mil a year for Nembhard. I thought he looked like a mid rotation player

:lol todays nba

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1816205260291203579

[TD 21]

I was gonna say, you're the only usually hating on racists :lol I assumed you were black tbh

You know what they say about assumptions . . .


I never thought you were racist, but maybe a little more humility could be helpful when throwing big statements? Just spitballing.

:lmao Perfect example of bias clouding judgement. I took accountability, but somehow that's not good enough.

[scott]

1816208333214474333

TNT, denied.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/NBCSports/status/1816212067164029144

[ace3g]

https://x.com/SportsonPrime/status/1816211179783791029

[ace3g]

https://x.com/utahjazz/status/1816209531384520783

[mudyez]

https://x.com/NBCSports/status/1816212067164029144


https://youtu.be/V_h7Lm7C9Nk?si=sMG7lK6JfyY5jakt

[ChumpDumper]

1816208333214474333

TNT, denied.Probably for the better, relatively speaking. Discovery is just going to be sold for parts again in a couple years. Maybe to Amazon.

[NASpurs]

https://x.com/NBCSports/status/1816212067164029144

Amazing to think that as a kid, I grew up watching the NBA on NBC and then whole careers have passed by since the end to this new iteration. To think Manu never had a game on NBC (maybe his rookie year now that i think about it ) or LeBron who's about to go into season 21 and this will be his first. Makes you feel old :lol

[CGD]

^ that composer is about to make an ass load of money

[exstatic]

Amazing to think that as a kid, I grew up watching the NBA on NBC and then whole careers have passed by since the end to this new iteration. To think Manu never had a game on NBC (maybe his rookie year now that i think about it ) or LeBron who's about to go into season 21 and this will be his first. Makes you feel old :lol

Not sure LeBron will be playing when the contract kicks in in 2025. His kid is about to be eviscerated on a national scale.

[exstatic]

^ that composer is about to make an ass load of money

John Tesh.

[LeBowen]

While we're at NBC, probably my favorire intro ever, just sad what has mainstream media become today.


https://youtu.be/rNNTrVBtfJw?si=DZQU3pwJLp17VZaS

It is neither right nor fair, but it is fact and the time is now.

[PhantomDashCam]

Y’all are forgetting the true origins of this theme…


https://youtu.be/r-uSWAJd9GE?si=H6t3K3hXdQuisfGr

:lol

[scott]

While we're at NBC, probably my favorire intro ever, just sad what has mainstream media become today.


https://youtu.be/rNNTrVBtfJw?si=DZQU3pwJLp17VZaS

It is neither right nor fair, but it is fact and the time is now.

Bob Costas, who takes a lot of flack from people who don't agree with him, comes from an era and subset of sports journalists who took their craft seriously and put serious work into it. Compare and contrast that to folks like local Spurs beat writers, and you can see quite the difference.

[NASpurs]

Bob Costas, who takes a lot of flack from people who don't agree with him, comes from an era and subset of sports journalists who took their craft seriously and put serious work into it. Compare and contrast that to folks like local Spurs beat writers, and you can see quite the difference.

Professionalism went out the door and now it's full of personalities and acts. ESPN sucks.

[Atl Spur]

Professionalism went out the door and now it's full of personalities and acts. ESPN sucks.

Because you are the model of professionalism and not full of acts….bozo

[NASpurs]

Because you are the model of professionalism and not full of acts….bozo

Do you work for ESPN? :lol wtf does my comment have to do with anything.

I know you miss me not paying attention to your shitty posts. :cry

[timtonymanu]

Do you work for ESPN? :lol wtf does my comment have to do with anything.

I know you miss me not paying attention to your shitty posts. :cry

Starting to wonder if he runs an alt account where you need to sign waivers

[Cabrito]

Good for the NBA to have options to choose contracts they feel is best for their product. They have come a long way from us having to watch NBA playoff games on tape delay on Friday nights, 10:30 pm central. Or having to listen to Spur games on WOAI radio. I never want to go back to that crap again.

[barakz21]

So I’m sure a lot of us are from different areas in the US (US based Spurs fans), but what does this mean for those of us in NY, as far as our options to watch the Spurs?

[TekXX]

I'm just curious if Ballys is still going to be around and showing the full season

[RC_Drunkford]

Amazon gon pay for multiple years upfront. TNT doesn‘t have that type of money

[exstatic]

I'm just curious if Ballys is still going to be around and showing the full season

Ballys was starting to fail around the league last year, with several teams setting up their own streams to replace it. I’m pretty sure Amazon will be streamed local broadcasts, replacing Ballys.

[Chinook]

Ballys was starting to fail around the league last year, with several teams setting up their own streams to replace it. I’m pretty sure Amazon will be streamed local broadcasts, replacing Ballys.

Considering they're in large part replacing the NBATV games, you're probably right. The overhead if much cheaper for them that way. But I imagine at least the playoff games with have independent broadcasts. I guess we'll have a better idea if we start hearing about commentary teams they sign.

[scott]

Hopefully these deals revise the absurd blackout rules that currently exist

[ace3g]

Cam Johnson, Dorian Finney-Smith, and Bojan Bogdanovic are the three forwards teams around the league are labeling as the next names to be on the move. Out of this grouping of players, Johnson is the one generating the most interest. In addition to the Kings inquiring about Johnson, the Rockets, Lakers, Cleveland Cavaliers, and San Antonio Spurs have been linked to the former first-round pick, sources said. Michael Scotto of HoopsHype has also reported (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-lebron-james-paul-george-klay-thompson-brandon-ingram-isaiah-hartenstein-more/) that the Toronto Raptors have shown interest in Johnson.

What happened in Vegas? Lauri Markkanen, Reed Sheppard dominate NBA Summer League talk (clutchpoints.com) (https://clutchpoints.com/lauri-markkanen-trade-talks-reed-sheppard-dominance-nba-summer-league)

[scott]

Frankly don't see the point in trading for Cam Johnson for the Spurs, unless its for something like the CHI pick. He's a nice player, but not going to be what moves the needle in a big way and isn't going to be a long-term building block. Yes, he is significantly cheaper (both to acquire and in long-term salary) than Lauri, but Lauri becomes part of a Big3 core whereas Johnson is just a complimentary piece, which we are not particularly ready for without that core trio in place, IMO.

So again, unless it's for the CHI pick, I'd rather just keep the powder dry. If it were the beginning of the offseason and we were going to pair Cam Johnson with some other big acquisition or move, then I'd feel differently.

[lefty]

Amazing to think that as a kid, I grew up watching the NBA on NBC and then whole careers have passed by since the end to this new iteration. To think Manu never had a game on NBC (maybe his rookie year now that i think about it ) or LeBron who's about to go into season 21 and this will be his first. Makes you feel old :lol

:lol overrated shitty 90s NBA

[lefty]

While we're at NBC, probably my favorire intro ever, just sad what has mainstream media become today.


https://youtu.be/rNNTrVBtfJw?si=DZQU3pwJLp17VZaS

It is neither right nor fair, but it is fact and the time is now.
eh


NBC had dumbass Magic Johnson and notorious Jordan slurper Marv Albert, it wasn’t really better :lol

[TD 21]

While we're at NBC, probably my favorire intro ever, just sad what has mainstream media become today.


https://youtu.be/rNNTrVBtfJw?si=DZQU3pwJLp17VZaS

It is neither right nor fair, but it is fact and the time is now.

:lmao At the notion of "many calling him (Drexler) the second greatest player in the game" . . .

Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley
Tier 3: Stockton, Pippen, Ewing, Drexler

[ZeusWillJudge]

Wow 20 mil a year for Nembhard. I thought he looked like a mid rotation player


Back during his draft, I was all over here saying the Spurs should take Nembhard. The usual cast of experts insisted that he didn't even deserve to be in the NBA. Chinhook saying that he can't shoot... his numbers are virtually identical to Tre Jones. And that's the problem. He was a bargain as a second round pick. For $20 Million he's not a bargain.

That was the same draft (2022) that I said the Spurs should grab Jabari Walker in the second round. He put up decent numbers as a rookie until he got injured. He put up good numbers this season, and next year he's going to be one of the big bargains in the league at about $2 Million.

Both of those guys (Nembhard and Walker) would have actually helped the Spurs, on the cheap.

The year before that, it was Tyrese Haliburton and Desmond Bane - the Spurs could have had both of them.

They got lucky, I guess. If they had drafted better, they probably wouldn't have landed the top pick for Wembanyama. It really is better to be lucky than good.

[lefty]

:lmao At the notion of "many calling him (Drexler) the second greatest player in the game" . . .

Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley
Tier 3: Stockton, Pippen, Ewing, Drexler
Agreed except for Stockton, that system pg was overrated AF :lol

[John B]

Frankly don't see the point in trading for Cam Johnson for the Spurs, unless its for something like the CHI pick. He's a nice player, but not going to be what moves the needle in a big way and isn't going to be a long-term building block. Yes, he is significantly cheaper (both to acquire and in long-term salary) than Lauri, but Lauri becomes part of a Big3 core whereas Johnson is just a complimentary piece, which we are not particularly ready for without that core trio in place, IMO.

So again, unless it's for the CHI pick, I'd rather just keep the powder dry. If it were the beginning of the offseason and we were going to pair Cam Johnson with some other big acquisition or move, then I'd feel differently.

I like that Cam Johnson is available and could divert attention. If Lauri is too expensive, teams could go for Cam Johnson, and could eliminate competition

[JPB]

Democrats just engage in a different form of racism when they not only pander the blacks at the lower end of the socioeconomic class in our communities but also make them our representation. You’ll rarely see ever see two blacks with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks.

You'll rarely ever see ANY people with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks. This forum is a good example.

Why would black be any different? And different than two white people?

[Ginobili2Duncan]

You'll rarely ever see ANY people with different political views have an honest conversation without personal attacks. This forum is a good example.

Why would black be any different? And different than two white people?

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

[Mr. Body]

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

Gee I wonder if there's a long history of subjugation, exploitation, and abuse that still profoundly affects things today. You know, that you're either completely ignorant of, or pretending you know nothing about.

Larry Elder and Ben Carson have never been honest about anything. Go ahead and say Thomas Sowell, too. They all parrot dominant narratives to get handouts from the bosses.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Gee I wonder if there's a long history of subjugation, exploitation, and abuse that still profoundly affects things today. You know, that you're either completely ignorant of, or pretending you know nothing about.

Larry Elder and Ben Carson have never been honest about anything. Go ahead and say Thomas Sowell, too. They all parrot dominant narratives to get handouts from the bosses.

You got the wrong one. I’m black and grew up the hood and have family members still in the hood. I’ve seen both sides from the community I grew up in to where I’m currently at. That type of rhetoric isn’t going to work on me.

[ambchang]

:lmao At the notion of "many calling him (Drexler) the second greatest player in the game" . . .

Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley
Tier 3: Stockton, Pippen, Ewing, Drexler

He was in 92.

Olajuwon was asking to be traded and viewed as a diva
Robinson just got hurt and in his second year
Barkley was toiling in Philly and his stock was dropping
Pippen didn’t hit his stride yet
Malone and Stockton didn’t go deep in the playoffs yet
Ewing just wasn’t that good

Whether he was the second best wasn’t the point. He was clearly widely pegged as it back in 92. People were comparing him to Jordan then Jordan destroyed him in the finals to settle that debate.

[cutewizard]

Hmmmmm

[lefty]

Malone and Stockton didn’t go deep in the playoffs yet


Malone and Stockton went to the WCF that year

[ambchang]

Malone and Stockton went to the WCF that year

My bad. But they did get eliminated by drexler.

[TD 21]

Agreed except for Stockton, that system pg was overrated AF :lol

I'd argue he's underrated.


The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

That's not why I called Barkley that, you're just making an assumption.

The second sentence I agree with in general, but specifically regarding Barkley isn't not isolated instances that led me (and many others) to this conclusion.

[Mr. Body]

You got the wrong one. I’m black and grew up the hood and have family members still in the hood. I’ve seen both sides from the community I grew up in to where I’m currently at. That type of rhetoric isn’t going to work on me.

Lol you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Lol you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

You’re going to have to do better than that if that’s your retort. It’s just emotional. I do know what I’m talking about and I have the intelligence and the life experience to back it up. What experiences have you had that you think you know better than me?

[Ginobili2Duncan]

I'd argue he's underrated.



That's not why I called Barkley that, you're just making an assumption.

The second sentence I agree with in general, but specifically regarding Barkley isn't not isolated instances that led me (and many others) to this conclusion.

So let’s unpack that. Generally when a black man is referred to as an “Uncle Tom” it’s because he has views that differ from the black collective. Barkley isn’t the most articulate individual but he seems to recognize the fact he’s black and I haven’t seen him take up for non-whites in racial situations.

What makes him an Uncle Tom?

[ChumpDumper]

"black collective" is a pretty loaded term in itself tbh

[Ginobili2Duncan]

"black collective" is a pretty loaded term in itself tbh

Not when it’s two grown men attempting to have a logical conversation

[ChumpDumper]

Not when it’s two grown men attempting to have a logical conversation

Yeah, it is. Logically.

Everyone has biases. This conversation should be in a different thread.

[scott]

I like that Cam Johnson is available and could divert attention. If Lauri is too expensive, teams could go for Cam Johnson, and could eliminate competition

Great point, John B. I don't like Cam as a target for the Spurs - but I love that he's out there. It would be fantastic for GSW to get fed up with Ainge so that they just go out and acquire Cam for a lot less, leaving us without our top competitor for the real prize.

[Mr. Body]

You’re going to have to do better than that if that’s your retort. It’s just emotional. I do know what I’m talking about and I have the intelligence and the life experience to back it up. What experiences have you had that you think you know better than me?

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making shitt up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

[exstatic]

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making shitt up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

That screams white guy way louder than anything he may have posted.

[scott]

Nothing better than a bunch of white dudes on the internet telling a black man that his experience is wrong.

[NASpurs]

No one knows the plight of the African American more than a white guy who has a black guy in his family. Let's listen to this bullhorn of Civil justice.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

I actually know a lot of black people and have them in my immediate and extended family. You're just making shitt up. The way you talk about any of these issues screams white guy. White guy comes out of your pores.

Ok you’re not intelligent enough to have this kind of discussion with me. There’s no reason for me to lie about my ethnicity simply for false validation on a sports message board. And you still have yet to provide any well thought out pushback for my opinion. I always welcome different points of view but when your only response is “I must be white” and “You don’t know what you’re talking about” then you’re a moron.

Whether you realize it or not you just perpetuated the very same racism that you accused me of knowing nothing of by questioning my ethnicity for my views. Sorry to disappoint you but all black people don’t think the same nor should we be expected to. That was my original point in my earlier post and you just unknowingly proved it.

[scott]

Ok you’re not intelligent enough to have this kind of discussion with me. There’s no reason for me to lie about my ethnicity simply for false validation on a sports message board. And you still have yet to provide any well thought out pushback for my opinion. I always welcome different points of view but when your only response is “I must be white” and “You don’t know what you’re talking about” then you’re a moron.

Whether you realize it or not you just perpetuated the very same racism that you accused me of knowing nothing of by questioning my ethnicity for my views. Sorry to disappoint you but all black people don’t think the same nor should we be expected to. That was my original point in my earlier post and you just unknowingly proved it.

Yep, you pretty figured out Mr. Body in 3 words. :lol

[Leetonidas]

This thread has taken an interesting turn :lol

[cd98]

Agreed except for Stockton, that system pg was overrated AF :lol

And it's arguable that his stats were generously padded by the local scorekeepers.

[Joseph Kony]

Mr. Body ITT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pYeFvFFWA8

[TD 21]

So let’s unpack that. Generally when a black man is referred to as an “Uncle Tom” it’s because he has views that differ from the black collective. Barkley isn’t the most articulate individual but he seems to recognize the fact he’s black and I haven’t seen him take up for non-whites in racial situations.

What makes him an Uncle Tom?

Barkley is an Uncle Tom because he constantly panders to whites. From slurping virtually every white people (while incessantly criticizing most black players) or predominately white sport (hockey, golf) to constantly downplaying the role of systemic racism in numerous viral incidents or events in recent years.



"black collective" is a pretty loaded term in itself tbh

Yeah, it is. Logically.

Everyone has biases. This conversation should be in a different thread.

Not only that, but it seemingly flies in the face of what he's saying in terms of many non blacks projecting groupthink among blacks.

People always say that when threads go off the rails, but what's the alternative? As a veteran of these, it's best to let them resolve themselves of their own volition. :lmao



This thread has taken an interesting turn :lol

All because of an honest mistake. I know a thing or two about derailing threads, but I'm not taking the blame for this one. :lmao

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Barkley is an Uncle Tom because he constantly panders to whites. From slurping virtually every white people (while incessantly criticizing most black players) or predominately white sport (hockey, golf) to constantly downplaying the role of systemic racism in numerous viral incidents or events in recent years.




Not only that, but it seemingly flies in the face of what he's saying in terms of many non blacks projecting groupthink among blacks.

People always say that when threads go off the rails, but what's the alternative? As a veteran of these, it's best to let them resolve themselves of their own volition. :lmao




All because of an honest mistake. I know a thing or two about derailing threads, but I'm not taking the blame for this one. :lmao

The topic was never about non blacks projecting group think among blacks. It was about blacks ostracizing other blacks for views that differ among the majority. I’m assuming you’re black using terms like “coon” or “uncle tom”. That’s what made me want to unpack the thought further. This had nothing to do with non blacks until Mr.Body attempted to lecture me about my life experiences through second hand information. But I have said enough I’m not going to derail this thread any further.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1816583080590647387

[lefty]

My bad. But they did get eliminated by drexler.
And Stockton got his ass handed to him by Terry Porter

[ismael-robert]

People who use the term Uncle Tom are actually ignorant because he was actually the hero in the story. Yall should watch the two part documentary called Uncle Tom, it's very eye opening. And the Big Shift is a lie and never happened...a whole TWO dixiecrats switched and THATS IT! The rest died proud democrats.

[scott]

1816907072438698091

Duke is back on a two-way, this one is a little surprising, but in a good way

[SpursFan86]

1816907072438698091

Duke is back on a two-way, this one is a little surprising, but in a good way

Where does that leave us in terms of two-way contracts left to offer?

[scott]

Where does that leave us in terms of two-way contracts left to offer?

1 left, probably for Ingram

[LeBowen]

Where does that leave us in terms of two-way contracts left to offer?

For the 2024-25 season, each NBA team is permitted to have up to three players under Two-Way Contracts on its roster at any time (in addition to the maximum 15 players under Standard NBA Contracts).

I guess Ingram and Duke are two-way contracts as of now?
One more spot left?
Edit: Or not, I missed Bouyea getting a two-way.

https://i.imgur.com/3ZTRxVh.png
*screenshot since tweet won't embed

Damn, 210/10 contract.

[Ice009]

Is that legit? If so, when did that contract start? And if that contract is real, I don't think I need to hear him complaining about how much money he missed out on in his playing days.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1816939722200973743

[scott]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1816939722200973743

I love this trade, because these are two guys I often confuse for each other :lol

[Bruno]

A little tidbit about Bassey and Mamu:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/western-notes-sengun-dunn-westbrook-pelicans-depth-chart-bassey.html


Spurs center Charles Bassey gave up his right to veto a trade during the 2024/25 league year, Hoops Rumors has learned. A player who re-signs with his previous team on a one-year contract (or a two-year deal with a second-year option) is typically given a de facto no-trade clause for the season, but that right can be waived as part of a contract agreement.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/contract-details-mobley-hauser-reeves-mamukelashvili.html


Sandro Mamukelashvili‘s one-year, minimum-salary deal with the Spurs is fully guaranteed, Hoops Rumors has confirmed. Mamukelashvili also waived his right to veto a trade.

If Spurs trade one of them later this season to match salaries, they won't have to worry about Bassey and/or Mamu agreeing to it.

[Seventyniner]

I love this trade, because these are two guys I often confuse for each other :lol

Like when the wrong Brooks got traded from Memphis to Phoenix?

[exstatic]

Like when the wrong Brooks got traded from Memphis to Phoenix?

No. Phoenix ASKED for the wrong Books, Marshawn, and then tried to get Dillon, and Memphis refused. The deal never actually went through.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1816944026878152776

[heyheymymy]

Very interesting Bassey and Mamu willingly became tradeable assets

[Cabrito]

Mamu and Bassey likely waived their trade clauses because they got guaranteed contracts. It’s an easy decision for them.

[Chinook]

Very interesting Bassey and Mamu willingly became tradeable assets

To me that's not as interesting as the Spurs making sure to get this as part of their deals. They're in the range that one of them can combine with Paul or Jones to bring back a decent player.

[JPB]

The problem with your statement is that white men or any other race of people aren’t calling each other “Uncle Toms” and questioning each other’s ethnicity because they disagree. The problem in the black community if you have an opinion that’s different from the black collective as a whole you are ostracized from it….especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder. I should’ve used the word “racial” instead of “personal”.

The blacks from academia who have examined this phenomenon in an honest way such as Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson have been called sellouts.

I get your point, and that's true to some extend, but I'm not sure that in today's societies where individualism is the rule and everyone build their own little "intellectual" and ideological world (eventually distorded, or entirely build through social media) that phenomena is as global or evident than what some sociologits want it to be (from someone who studied sociology).

Our societes have dramatically and brutally changed this past decade, and people are less and less determined or ideoligically impacted by their communities, will it be racial or socioeconomic... they just think or do what the hell they want.. There are blakc dems, black republicans, even black trumpers.

I believe ideology is what polarize people more than anything now whatever their community, which Trump perfectly understood and is exploiting to death. You also have white people calling themselves names or being ostracized in their families, friend circle or work for being trumpers or anti Trump.

[HankChinaski]

Take that conversation to DMs, I jump into a thread thinking some new updates possibly. Nope just some takes on America's oldest profession that everyone detests.

[Pauleta14]

Wasn't he looking for a 20M/y contract a few months ago?

Brutal tbh...

https://x.com/esidery/status/1817239062962409682

[Dejounte]

Keldon Johnson just posted a cryptic IG with a hush emoji and a full battery charge emoji. WHAT DOES IT MEAN??