2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1835335811954303124

[Spurs Brazil]

I think the Spurs will sign Mensah to replace Bouyea. Wemby is coming off the Olympics. Collins spend most of the off season recovering from surgery and Bassey is still not 100% after the knee surgery. They need another big for training camp and preseason.

[exstatic]

I think the Spurs will sign Mensah to replace Bouyea. Wemby is coming off the Olympics. Collins spend most of the off season recovering from surgery and Bassey is still not 100% after the knee surgery. They need another big for training camp and preseason.

Collin’s had surgery?

[ismael-robert]

Oh geeze, yes dude injured his shoulder like in last game of season so wasn't some off season injury...it was something anyone who pays attention would've noticed

[exstatic]

Oh geeze, yes dude injured his shoulder like in last game of season so wasn't some off season injury...it was something anyone who pays attention would've noticed

Didn’t watch the last game when Victor was on the no play list, but thanks for being a sarcastic asshole. You do it well.

[ismael-robert]

Didn't we just have a thread where everyone acknowledged that's the general tone here ...u been here long enough to be used to it n use it yourself

[exstatic]

Didn't we just have a thread where everyone acknowledged that's the general tone here ...u been here long enough to be used to it n use it yourself

You do you.

[Spurs Brazil]

Collin’s had surgery?

He'll probably be ready to start camp: https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/how-zach-collins-relentless-recovery-and-improved-shooting-aim-to-boost-spurs-offense-san-antonio-texas-center-torn-labrum-surgery-victor-wembanyama


But I think the Spurs will be very caution with him.

[heyheymymy]

no more woj bombs?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/41313868/adrian-wojnarowski-retires-espn-joins-st-bonaventure

Adrian Wojnarowski retires from ESPN, joins St. Bonaventure. Wojnarowski, 55, has worked at ESPN since 2017. He previously worked at Yahoo Sports and The Record of Bergen County (New Jersey), among other stops. "I am retiring from a dream job at ESPN and am so incredibly grateful for my time and experiences with the Worldwide Leader," he said. ESPN senior NBA insider Adrian Wojnarowski has agreed to become the general manager of the men's basketball program at St. Bonaventure, he told ESPN.

The GM role has become more common in college basketball in recent years, as the transfer portal has made wholesale roster turnover an inherent part of the sport. The role includes name, image and likeness allocation, recruiting and supporting successful Bonnies coach Mark Schmidt.

[The Truth #6]

Did Shams break the story? Lol.

[heyheymymy]

Woj Bomb: Woj Retires

lol

[exstatic]

I think Woj probably just burned out. He himself described it as a 52 week a year 365 day conversation with people throughout the league. He added that you can’t just call people when you need something, and you also have to share info both ways. Shams was also getting stuff as fast or even faster sometimes. Woj was no longer the clear insider leader.

[Mr. Body]

There was no need to break his back trying to get news to people a minute earlier. It was a bad era and I hope that crap goes away.

[spurraider21]

his biggest regret probably was being unable to report Austin Reaves to the Spurs imo

[Rosewood]

There was no need to break his back trying to get news to people a minute earlier. It was a bad era and I hope that crap goes away.
Seriously. These clowns don’t get enough hate.

[heyheymymy]

spoilers at the draft was my personal final straw with that twitter sports journalist scene

[The Truth #6]

It was all transactional journalism at its worst imo. Good riddance.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1838360300543709381

[ismael-robert]

Why cut bouyea for this guy, he didn't show anything

[Chinook]

Why cut bouyea for this guy, he didn't show anything

Both Bouyea and Nelson are going to Austin. One wasn't cut for the other.

[exstatic]

Why cut bouyea for this guy, he didn't show anything

They wanted the 2way spot open. JN jr. didn’t take it, so neither was cut for the other.

You’re really upset that they cut a guy who is 25, has played 14 nba games, and looks 40?

[Dejounte]

They wanted the 2way spot open. JN jr. didn’t take it, so neither was cut for the other.

You’re really upset that they cut a guy who is 25, has played 14 nba games, and looks 40?

I know you like to discriminate against older players but c’mon. This is the deep bench. The ceiling for these players are low in the first place. Getting a player whose floor is higher than most would be a success. There are many 18-21 year olds who never reach Bouyea’s level when they turn 25. Not every single player has to be a project on this team.

[ismael-robert]

I'm just speaking for camp purposes. If I want to push guys n have the most competitive camp possible I'm going to put guys out there that force my defense to work, and maybe pushes someone off roster

[ChumpDumper]

If Nelson is here to learn how to play point guard from Bouyea, I guess that's OK.

[Bruno]

I may be wrong on that but Bouyea won't play in Austin because his G-League rights are owned by another team.

Nelson should be cut in a few days and won't be at the training camp. The goal of that signing is to give Austin Spurs his G-League rights and maybe to give him some extra money with an exhibit 10 contract. Spurs might do the sign/waive move with other players this week before signing Mensah for the training camp.

[Pauleta14]

I'm just speaking for camp purposes. If I want to push guys n have the most competitive camp possible I'm going to put guys out there that force my defense to work, and maybe pushes someone off roster

Not necessarily, it's actually better to face a weak opposition to work on systems.

[exstatic]

I know you like to discriminate against older players but c’mon. This is the deep bench. The ceiling for these players are low in the first place. Getting a player whose floor is higher than most would be a success. There are many 18-21 year olds who never reach Bouyea’s level when they turn 25. Not every single player has to be a project on this team.

I think that’s my overarching point. The guy seemed genuinely upset that they cut a 25 YO non prospect. Our 2way spots have become a revolving door, so people kind of need to wrap their heads around that. Gone are the days of grabbing a waiver wonder like Bassey or a UDFA like Barlow, and using a 2way spot to hold a space for an actual prospect. We have too many draft picks, and the talent level on the roster has increased.

I discriminate against older players for lottery draft picks. Later picks are OK, and in fact my pet cat for our first SRP is former UK player Zvonimir Ivisic. He followed Cal to Arkansas for his sophomore year, but will be nearly 22 on draft night. He’s currently rated at #33 on TaT.

[ismael-robert]

Seemed genuinely upset? I just typed out a thought/ question as it made no sense, but yeah if just racking guys for Austin I get it

[playbonner15]

Bouyea could be the next TJ Ford

[KingKev]

Branham and Wesley have looming team options that need to be exercised for 2025-26 season by Oct 31/24.

Time to show out at training camp and preseason. That’s 10mm in cap for next offseason we night need.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1838730198495248488

[exstatic]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1838730198495248488

Ballmer is an idiot.

[Leetonidas]

Man we really dodged a bullet there. Glad we aren't paying him 50+ million to miss the playoffs with injury each year

[TekXX]

The Spurs medical staff were right

[Dejounte]

Thank you Kawhi for forcing your way out

[John B]

Balmer has money to burn clowns for his circus act. Too bad Kawhi could’ve been a special player had he got cojones to play through pain

[ismael-robert]

Bum needs to retire. Can he wipe his own bum yet

[LeBowen]

Eh, it was kind of a lose-lose situation for Clippers since day one.

Nephew+PG package was a no brainer at the time, but it didn't work out. For the past few years they've been digging themselves deeper instead of accepting it didn't work out.
Giving nephew three more years was the last nail in the coffin. But then again, can't open a new arena in LA with a bad team.

I kind of feel sorry for Ballmer. He's throwing all the allowed money on that team and he can't catch a break.
Then on the other hand you got all these cheap owners ruining potential dynasties because of some luxury tax.

[heyheymymy]

The franchise said today Leonard will be limited to strengthening his knee to start Clippers training camp, but team officials are optimistic about his progress.

maybe Kawhi will be able to wipe his own ass by opening night?

[timtonymanu]

No Paul George to fall back on. Harden is a one man team like he was in Houston only he's past his prime now.

Does he ask for a trade again?

Glorious train wreck.

[exstatic]

No Paul George to fall back on. Harden is a one man team like he was in Houston only he's past his prime now.

Does he ask for a trade again?

Glorious train wreck.

It’s actually terrible if it falls apart this year, because OKC owns an unprotected 2025 FRP swap for their pick.

[Dex]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1838730198495248488

But can he wipe his own ass yet?

[Dex]

Seriously though, the Clippers need to just cut the bullshit.

Kawhi has been "working on strengthening his knee" for like 6 months now...and more realistically, like 3 years.

Just say he is out and give a timeline for a return, but of course Uncle Dennis would never allow that to hurt his brand which is already broken

[Pauleta14]

Seriously though, the Clippers need to just cut the bullshit.

Kawhi has been "working on strengthening his knee" for like 6 months now...and more realistically, like 3 years.

Just say he is out and give a timeline for a return, but of course Uncle Dennis would never allow that to hurt his brand which is already broken

It more complex than most of you seem to realise.

Kawhi wasn't extended for basketball reasons, Clippers 100% knew he wouldn't be fit.

You have to look at the whole picture, especially their new arena. Balmer's focus is to build a brand and find a space next to Lakers in LA.

As disapointed as they've been, he's actually succeeding and once Lebron retires, it'll be even more obvious

Clippers/Balmer are good, don't be fooled by bb appearances

[Maddog]

It more complex than most of you seem to realise.

Kawhi wasn't extended for basketball reasons, Clippers 100% knew he wouldn't be fit.

You have to look at the whole picture, especially their new arena. Balmer's focus is to build a brand and find a space next to Lakers in LA.

As disapointed as they've been, he's actually succeeding and once Lebron retires, it'll be even more obvious

Clippers/Balmer are good, don't be fooled by bb appearances

I agree 100% that a lot of their machinations are to create a separate identity from the Lakers. How this will succeed long term- it's hard to say. You start trotting out sub 20 win seasons for several years without the hope of a lottery pick....
That said Brooklyn is starting to recover- but still has a long way to go.

The metro area is clearly large enough for two teams and suspect the Lakers long term will no longer be the "Lakers". In part the new rules are challenging to do what was done in the past to create super teams.

[Dex]

It more complex than most of you seem to realise.

Kawhi wasn't extended for basketball reasons, Clippers 100% knew he wouldn't be fit.

You have to look at the whole picture, especially their new arena. Balmer's focus is to build a brand and find a space next to Lakers in LA.

As disapointed as they've been, he's actually succeeding and once Lebron retires, it'll be even more obvious

Clippers/Balmer are good, don't be fooled by bb appearances

I get the branding aspect...Ballmer doesn't want to spoil his grand opening with "our franchise player is broken"

At the same time, if I'm a Clippers fan, I'm tired of having the wool pulled over my eyes while the Clippers build false hope of "everything is fine, Kawhi will be back soon, nothing to see here". Spurs fans have personal experience of that with Kawhi and one year of it was enough.

[poopbox]

Branham and Wesley have looming team options that need to be exercised for 2025-26 season by Oct 31/24.

Time to show out at training camp and preseason. That’s 10mm in cap for next offseason we night need.

We most certainly don't need to exercise those options. One of their replacements is already on the roster, Castle, and you could literally go get any guard from anywhere in the league to replace the other one.

[poopbox]

It more complex than most of you seem to realise.

Kawhi wasn't extended for basketball reasons, Clippers 100% knew he wouldn't be fit.

You have to look at the whole picture, especially their new arena. Balmer's focus is to build a brand and find a space next to Lakers in LA.

As disapointed as they've been, he's actually succeeding and once Lebron retires, it'll be even more obvious

Clippers/Balmer are good, don't be fooled by bb appearances

I don't see how paying a guy 150 million dollars to be hurt all the time helps Ballmer do this.

There is this narrative people spin about Kawhi and the Clippers where they say the clippers had to sign Kawhi because they need a star player to open that new arena with that people want to see play.

The problem is...he doesn't consistently play...so who are all these supposed people who will be willing to buy a ticket to a clippers game primarily because they want to watch a player who at any given moment won't play and won't play for weeks at a time often with no real explanation of why he isn't playing? I don't think these imaginary clippers fans exist.

What brand is Kawhi helping Ballmer build? The if you got chronic knee issues sign with the Clippers we will cash you out?

[mudyez]

It doesn't hurt anymore to have lost Kawhi...in fact it was one of the best things happening because Wemby probably would have been a Rocket,...or whatever.

[mudyez]

It the chinese farmer tale all over again.

[spursparker9]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1838730198495248488

:lol

Nephew knew he had just signed the 3 years $150 mil extension already. Now it is okay for him to show his real injuries.

[Mr. Body]

Thunder get the Clippers pick outright. That could be trouble.

Meanwhile, neph screwed us big time, but we'd still be dealing with this crap if he stayed.

[Dex]

Thunder get the Clippers pick outright. That could be trouble.

Meanwhile, neph screwed us big time, but we'd still be dealing with this crap if he stayed.

Yeah, this is beating a dead horse at this point, but I'm glad he is Clippers problem and not ours.

Having Wemby now helps.

[FvckMavs]

Thunder get the Clippers pick outright. That could be trouble.

Meanwhile, neph screwed us big time, but we'd still be dealing with this crap if he stayed.

This. It would be scary to hand OKC a top five pick in next year's draft.

[Ice009]

Yeah, this is not good news. It can screw us as one of our main rivals can get stronger and it could tip the balance. He needs to man up, get better and play.

[Pauleta14]

I agree 100% that a lot of their machinations are to create a separate identity from the Lakers. How this will succeed long term- it's hard to say. You start trotting out sub 20 win seasons for several years without the hope of a lottery pick....
That said Brooklyn is starting to recover- but still has a long way to go.

The metro area is clearly large enough for two teams and suspect the Lakers long term will no longer be the "Lakers". In part the new rules are challenging to do what was done in the past to create super teams.

They're just at the start really. They have a good coach who's been extended, an owner who can afford losing money and a market that will always be there.

Just a matter of patience and steadiness in their management


I get the branding aspect...Ballmer doesn't want to spoil his grand opening with "our franchise player is broken"

At the same time, if I'm a Clippers fan, I'm tired of having the wool pulled over my eyes while the Clippers build false hope of "everything is fine, Kawhi will be back soon, nothing to see here". Spurs fans have personal experience of that with Kawhi and one year of it was enough.

Clippers fans know that they're in good hnds and it's just a matter of time now. Fincancially and talent wise Jeanie Buss won't be able to compete long


I don't see how paying a guy 150 million dollars to be hurt all the time helps Ballmer do this.

There is this narrative people spin about Kawhi and the Clippers where they say the clippers had to sign Kawhi because they need a star player to open that new arena with that people want to see play.

The problem is...he doesn't consistently play...so who are all these supposed people who will be willing to buy a ticket to a clippers game primarily because they want to watch a player who at any given moment won't play and won't play for weeks at a time often with no real explanation of why he isn't playing? I don't think these imaginary clippers fans exist.

What brand is Kawhi helping Ballmer build? The if you got chronic knee issues sign with the Clippers we will cash you out?

With the CBA teams have to spend their money anyway, I don't know the specifics, just guessing, imo they'd rather give that money to one dude with Star status who even low % still has a shot at being on the court rather than overpaying a few average untradable players.
Hey they avoided being scammed by PG this summer at least! ^^

Kawhi isn't helping build a brand, but if you have neither him nor PG, all while having no draft picks and unble to trade bc of luxury taxes constraints... It at least gives the illusion that the team is still elite.

They have to be patient bc of the PG trade that took all they draft capital, there's nothing else to do really

[Pauleta14]

Thunder get the Clippers pick outright. That could be trouble.

I think between the weak east, the race for Flagg post ASG and their defensive minded coach, Clippers won't be bottom 10 even without Kawhi all season

[heyheymymy]

Thunder get the Clippers pick outright. That could be trouble.

Meanwhile, neph screwed us big time, but we'd still be dealing with this crap if he stayed.


This. It would be scary to hand OKC a top five pick in next year's draft.
Yeah, this is not good news. It can screw us as one of our main rivals can get stronger and it could tip the balance. He needs to man up, get better and play.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/oGo3P-2HBAoAAAAC/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it.gif

[poopbox]

They're just at the start really. They have a good coach who's been extended, an owner who can afford losing money and a market that will always be there.

Just a matter of patience and steadiness in their management



Clippers fans know that they're in good hnds and it's just a matter of time now. Fincancially and talent wise Jeanie Buss won't be able to compete long



With the CBA teams have to spend their money anyway, I don't know the specifics, just guessing, imo they'd rather give that money to one dude with Star status who even low % still has a shot at being on the court rather than overpaying a few average untradable players.
Hey they avoided being scammed by PG this summer at least! ^^

Kawhi isn't helping build a brand, but if you have neither him nor PG, all while having no draft picks and unble to trade bc of luxury taxes constraints... It at least gives the illusion that the team is still elite.

They have to be patient bc of the PG trade that took all they draft capital, there's nothing else to do really

Ironically Kawhi is easily the most untradeable contract in the nba right now. 150 million for a guy who first year into his contract and 5 months removed from a known knee issue, either had another knee issue that required surgery or had surgery on the knee to resolve whatever the issue was at the end of last season and he is still not healthy to the point the gm won' t even commit to him playing opening night which is still a month away.

Thank god spurs don't have to deal with this deaf mute idiot who just seems to do whatever he wants and leaves everyone else to explain his decisions. The one person we never hear explaining kawhi injury issues is kawhi himself.

Now this Law dude who is a clippers reporter is on the verge of crashing out running interference for kawhi as people realize he knew all along kawhi was not healthy but sent out that "everything is fine guys" tweet anyway. Moron.

[Atl Spur]

We won…..Wemby is a spur! Take the win people

[Frenchfred]

I think between the weak east, the race for Flagg post ASG and their defensive minded coach, Clippers won't be bottom 10 even without Kawhi all season

I hope that the Spurs will be in that race post ASG. Flagg with Wemby would be the perfect core for the Spurs in the future to fight OKC

[Pauleta14]

I hope that the Spurs will be in that race post ASG. Flagg with Wemby would be the perfect core for the Spurs in the future to fight OKC

The difficulty for PATFO is to convince Wemby and his appetite for greatness or PO ambitions.

Not sure how the Spurs could tank with him being healthy tbh

I'm personnaly counting on ATL to get a lottery pick, without major injuries Spurs are a PO team bc of their defense

[exstatic]

I hope that the Spurs will be in that race post ASG. Flagg with Wemby would be the perfect core for the Spurs in the future to fight OKC

I hope Atlanta is, so that we don’t need to be. It would also be very difficult to do with a healthy Wemby.

[rjv]

Yeah, this is beating a dead horse at this point, but I'm glad he is Clippers problem and not ours.

Having Wemby now helps.

didn't think so back then, but losing leonard turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

[exstatic]

didn't think so back then, but losing leonard turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

It’s the trade that keeps on giving. We still have the CHI FRP & SRP, plus the Minny swap and pick, acquired using the TOR #8 pick acquired from the Poeltl trade back to TOR. The Minnesota 20131 FRP will be THIRTEEN YEARS after the original trade. We cashed out on both players, getting ultimately two FRPs for DeRozan (one direct and one for Thad Young, acquired in the trade: The CHI 2025 pick, and Malaki), and one FRP for Poeltl that PATFO converted into an unprotected pick and a swap.

[rjv]

in a non-player related "off-season" move, ESPN continues to shred itself of all its basketball analyst talent by terminating Zac Lowe's contract. i guess they didn't care for his reluctance to constantly talk about lebron and the lakers. we're left with the likes of shelbourne, perkins, occasionally stephen a., and windhorst.

[Mr. Body]

in a non-player related "off-season" move, ESPN continues to shred itself of all its basketball analyst talent by terminating Zac Lowe's contract. i guess they didn't care for his reluctance to constantly talk about lebron and the lakers. we're left with the likes of shelbourne, perkins, occasionally stephen a., and windhorst.

Disney is making a lot of cuts across divisions, I believe. Of course we won't see the horrific leadership take any haircuts that got them here in the first place.

[CGD]

in a non-player related "off-season" move, ESPN continues to shred itself of all its basketball analyst talent by terminating Zac Lowe's contract. i guess they didn't care for his reluctance to constantly talk about lebron and the lakers. we're left with the likes of shelbourne, perkins, occasionally stephen a., and windhorst.

What a wild move. Makes the Woj decision seem less random now -- he saw the writing on the wall.

[spurraider21]

i miss columnist Lowe. so much more interesting than TV personality Lowe

[exstatic]

i miss columnist Lowe. so much more interesting than TV personality Lowe

Columnist Lowe was about player and team analysis. When you go on TV, they turn you into a gossip columnist.

[spurraider21]

Columnist Lowe was about player and team analysis. When you go on TV, they turn you into a gossip columnist.
one of the few columinsts who i would regularly look forward to reading when i saw they got a piece out. zach lowe, bill simmons, and ludden

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1839798299257127227

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1839781215898857649

[spurraider21]

guy cant catch a break

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whatever slim hope there is of the 2025 pick conveying takes a hit if Williams is hampered. only other center they have is Nick Richards. last year they played Grant Williams at the 5 quite a bit down the stretch

[Mr. Body]

guy cant catch a break

1839833384820068811

whatever slim hope there is of the 2025 pick conveying takes a hit if Williams is hampered. only other center they have is Nick Richards. last year they played Grant Williams at the 5 quite a bit down the stretch

I think there was chatter that they should go for Donovan Clingan in the draft. Probably should have.

[spurraider21]

:lol some guy on hornets reddit broke the story yesterday

https://i.gyazo.com/bfbd5e800ed9ac32410da4ea2936fdb3.png

[baseline bum]

I think there was chatter that they should go for Donovan Clingan in the draft. Probably should have.

LOL wasting their high lottery pick on Salaun because the Spurs leaked that they were interested.

[lefty20]

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[Dejounte]

Whoa. Twolves got weaker, IMO.

[Mr. Body]

I think the Wolves had to do it. KAT's contract was a beast and he's absolutely not worth it. They take a step back on the floor, but this prevents them from a death sentence in a year or two.

Not sure about it for the Knicks. I've never been a KAT guy at all. Better than Randle though.

[jmard5]

Now, about that 8th pick...

[scott]

Honestly don't hate it for MINN if this allows them to keep Naz (not sure if it does or not). Quite honestly could be addition by subtraction if allows them to more fully focus the offense around Ant and Randle can be more of a secondary scorer. Donte isn't a bad addition at all either, adds shooting.

But poor Donte, being the Nova guy who doesn't get to stick around with his buddies.

[baseline bum]

LOL Wolves being cheap with their ownership situation such a clusterfuck. Should have given that team at least another year together to try to win one. Hopefully makes Ant walk and we reap the rewards in 20131.

[Dejounte]

The Wolves were trending upwards and they made a decision to be less competitive because of financial reasons. There really isn’t a need to spin this. If this were the Spurs and they made it as deep as the Wolves did this past season, it would be a travesty to break up that core.

[scott]

Counterpoint: KAT's a fucking loser

[baseline bum]

Counterpoint: KAT's a fucking loser

Pointercount: So is Julian

[Dejounte]

Pointercount: So is Julian

Seriously, we all have our weird things to cling unto. Supporting the Timberwolves? Why? Especially when it’s clear cut that the goal of this move wasn’t to upgrade the roster.

[Dejounte]

Aaaaaand, now I remember. Damn, it’s been a long summer. Scott wasn’t in favor of the move with the Twolves and any sign that points to that being a good move for the Spurs, he has to double down and hate on it. These are things I’d expect from JD Vance and his ilk, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Twolves got weaker but towns is a huge mental midget and a no show against Dallas and there were already “trade KAT” talks amongst their fanbase. To be fair, like bum said, Randle is also a small time loser. Maybe by 20131 Edwards will be on the lakers and we get the Twolves lottery pick.

[Jordan Jackson]

Oh Joy. KAT and Thibs together again. This should be fun.

Knicks are the only team dumb enough to go anywhere near that awful KAT contract. Knicks probably think this helps them lure Booker at some point.

[exstatic]

The Wolves were trending upwards and they made a decision to be less competitive because of financial reasons. There really isn’t a need to spin this. If this were the Spurs and they made it as deep as the Wolves did this past season, it would be a travesty to break up that core.

I think this and the Klay move are bell weathers of a new financial paradigm. The Second Apron is manifesting as we watch. Teams know they WILL go into a down cycle, and they don’t want their picks moved to the end of the round, and locked from being traded. It’s not just being cheap.

[itzsoweezee]

Wolves, what are you doing? If Ant thought the paint was cramped before…

Is this just shitty ownership trying to save money?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The rare kind of trade that seems horrible for all parties involved.

[LeBowen]

This could go either way. Randle was great before his injury and TWolves really needed another player who can create his own shot. But then again, he tends to crumble in the most important moments.
And I don't think he can play together with Naz, not enough rim protection against serious teams.

Getting DiVincenzio is a huge win, bargain contract for 3 more years.

I know I'm missing something, but Randle+DiVicenzo combine for $40M this year, with KAT getting $49M.
They were projected to be at $218M with KAT, meaning they're still well over second apron which is at $188M after this trade.
Someone will have to go next summer if they're to keep Naz. Either McDaniels or Randle.

As for the Knicks, losing DiVincenzo sucks, but KAT is a way better fit than Randle and with this trade they should be the biggest threat to the Celtics.
Brunson/Bridges/Hart/OG/KAT is a serious lineup and we know Thibs doesn't want more than 8 man rotation when things get serious.
Robinson, McBride, Achiuwa, Morris, KBD, Shamet should be solid enough when staggered with starting lineup.

[dn0774]

Crazy trade on the eve of training camp...I wonder if the Randle/Rudy pairing somehow makes even less sense than KAT/Rudy. If Minny takes a clear step back in the next 2 years there are going to be a lot of teams vulturing over them (Spurs included) for Ant and Naz.

[Ice009]

I think this and the Klay move are bell weathers of a new financial paradigm. The Second Apron is manifesting as we watch. Teams know they WILL go into a down cycle, and they don’t want their picks moved to the end of the round, and locked from being traded. It’s not just being cheap.

Darn, so the Warriors not resigning Klay, and this T-Wolves trade, you think the second apron is the reason for it and that they may not have happened if this rule wasn't in place? Do you think the Warriors would have re-signed Klay if not for the second apron?

Also, wasn't KAT supposedly good friends with Anthony Edwards? You think the Wolves consulted with AE before making this trade?

I wonder if there would ever be a chance if Edwards wants out in a couple of years if he'd/they consider trading with the Spurs to get that first round pick back. That pick could be a lot better for the Spurs that I was thinking even just a month ago. Man, things can happen quickly in the NBA.

I don't think it's a great trade for either team. Then again, it could work out for both teams. Have to see how the players mesh on their new teams.

[scott]

Pointercount: So is Julian

Champagnie? No arguments from here there... but what does that have to do with anything?


Aaaaaand, now I remember. Damn, it’s been a long summer. Scott wasn’t in favor of the move with the Twolves and any sign that points to that being a good move for the Spurs, he has to double down and hate on it. These are things I’d expect from JD Vance and his ilk, tbh.

This move will be relatively irrelevant to the Spurs having Minnesota's pick in 2031, when KAT will be 35-years old anyway. That didn't even cross my mind, because 7 years is beyond the time frame of a trade like this mattering. LOL JD Vance.

Bottom line is that my opinion is that KAT is a loser, and they weren't going to win anything with him anyway. If this allows Minnesota to feature Naz more and keep him long term, it's a W for them.

[Ice009]

Champagnie? No arguments from here there... but what does that have to do with anything?



This move will be relatively irrelevant to the Spurs having Minnesota's pick in 2031, when KAT will be 35-years old anyway. That didn't even cross my mind, because 7 years is beyond the time frame of a trade like this mattering. LOL JD Vance.

Bottom line is that my opinion is that KAT is a loser, and they weren't going to win anything with him anyway. If this allows Minnesota to feature Naz more and keep him long term, it's a W for them.

That pick can matter if Anthony Edwards asks out in 2 or 3 years from now. The Spurs would be in position to trade the pick back to them in a package for Edwards, or other players. It can definitely matter before then IMO.

[scott]

NYK saying fuck yo' aprons though. Their tax bill is now estimated at $35MM this year, and they have $170MM+ committed going out all the way to 2027-28. Yikes.

[scott]

That pick can matter if Anthony Edwards asks out in 2 or 3 years from now. The Spurs would be in position to trade the pick back to them in a package for Edwards, or other players. It can definitely matter before then IMO.

Make sure to @ me when that happens.

[Ice009]

NYK saying fuck yo' aprons though. Their tax bill is now estimated at $35MM this year, and they have $170MM+ committed going out all the way to 2027-28. Yikes.

So the Knicks will be paying 35M in luxury tax this season? That doesn't seem like much for a team with deep pockets. When you say $170M + committed, is that future luxury tax playments?


Make sure to @ me when that happens.

I don't get a chance to read a lot here. Did you call this before and people didn't agree?

[scott]

So the Knicks will be paying 35M in luxury tax this season? That doesn't seem like much for a team with deep pockets. When you say $170M + committed, is that future luxury tax playments?

$170MM committed through 2027-28 meaning that's how much salary is tied up in players that far out. For that 2027-28 season, the bulk of that ($147MM) is tied up in just 3 players: KAT, OG, Brunson. The cap is expected to be $187MM that year, so it will be interesting to see how they manage to build the team from there. You'd assume they're going to be looking to resign Bridges, but who knows.




I don't get a chance to read a lot here. Did you call this before and people didn't agree?

No, I just don't think it will happen, but it doesn't really matter. My point is that 7 years is too far in the future to place to much emphasis on what happens now impacting how that pick ends up looking for us in 2031. It's so far out, that Minny could completely implode and trade Ant and still have time to draft some new star and be good again by then. 7 years in the future is just too far out. 7 years ago, Kawhi Leonard was coming off back-to-back Top 3 MVP in voting, DPOY 2 of the last 3 seasons on a Spurs team that went 61-21 and were a Zaza dirty play away from another title.

[spurraider21]

I like this move for MIN, especially so if they’re able to re-route Randle for picks and an expiring. Supposedly Miami and ATL had separate discussions with the Knicks for randle.

white donte on ~ 3/35 for a contender is such an incredible value

[exstatic]

Darn, so the Warriors not resigning Klay, and this T-Wolves trade, you think the second apron is the reason for it and that they may not have happened if this rule wasn't in place? Do you think the Warriors would have re-signed Klay if not for the second apron?

Also, wasn't KAT supposedly good friends with Anthony Edwards? You think the Wolves consulted with AE before making this trade?

I wonder if there would ever be a chance if Edwards wants out in a couple of years if he'd/they consider trading with the Spurs to get that first round pick back. That pick could be a lot better for the Spurs that I was thinking even just a month ago. Man, things can happen quickly in the NBA.

I don't think it's a great trade for either team. Then again, it could work out for both teams. Have to see how the players mesh on their new teams.

I absolutely do. Think about it. Like a year or two ago, Lacob paid $450-500M in salary and taxes. He ain’t cheap. He just sees the cliff ahead for the aging Warriors, and doesn’t want the multi offender penalties to kick in.

[LeBowen]

I absolutely do. Think about it. Like a year or two ago, Lacob paid $450-500M in salary and taxes. He ain’t cheap. He just sees the cliff ahead for the aging Warriors, and doesn’t want the multi offender penalties to kick in.

Ridiculous amount of tax aside, being over second apron is worth it only for top contenders that are content with their roster.

If you're over, you can't aggregate salaries in trade. Can just do 1:1 trades.
Can't sign and trade if it doesn't get you under second apron. You also lose trade exceptions from S&T.
First year of being over second apron means you can't trade a pick 7 years away (like TWolves did this year) and staying there for more than one year automatically puts that pick at the end of the first round.

Right now, being over second apron is worth it for the Celtics and maybe the Knicks.
We'll see if OKC will go over in two years when extensions for Chet and Williams kick in.

[Maddog]

I think Minnesota may realize they're odds to win it all is not great as currently constructed and have no long term flexibility-
I don't think this trade makes them a whole lot better but gives them more long term flexibility (though cap space is probably overrated)

Minnesota is also receiving the first-round pick that the Pistons owe the Knicks, according to Steve Popper of Newsday (Twitter link). That first-rounder is for 2025, but is top-13 protected. If it lands in its protected range, it would roll over to 2026 (top-11 protected) and 2027 (top-nine protected) before turning into a ’27 second-round pick

[CGD]

I really don’t like KAT, but on paper I think this is a good trade for both teams. The Knicks pushed the chips in with that Brunson discount, and also got off two pieces that really didn’t fit anymore (DiVezenzo became a weird fit after Bridges and I think the want to give McBride more play). The writing was on the wall for MIN from a strictly financial perspective.

[baseline bum]

Champagnie? No arguments from here there... but what does that have to do with anything?


Forgot that name for Randle never crept upstairs and was more and NBA forum thing to scoff him back when Laker fan was hyping that scrub. Randle is a loser.

[Mr. Body]

Look over at the Brandon Ingram situation. Dude's not getting that money. I don't know if KAT would have gotten that bag nowadays. He's a legacy huge contract player that we may not see as much going forward.

I don't know. Teams often can't help themselves. Boston is going all-in with blimped-out contracts. It's won them a chip, but they'll be in trouble.

The purpose of the CBA was to stop those big tickets (for 'pretty good' players, at least). With Ingram and Klay Thompson it worked. I think before long teams will get back into the awful habit, but we'll see.

[R. DeMurre]

Look over at the Brandon Ingram situation. Dude's not getting that money. I don't know if KAT would have gotten that bag nowadays. He's a legacy huge contract player that we may not see as much going forward.

I don't know. Teams often can't help themselves. Boston is going all-in with blimped-out contracts. It's won them a chip, but they'll be in trouble.

The purpose of the CBA was to stop those big tickets (for 'pretty good' players, at least). With Ingram and Klay Thompson it worked. I think before long teams will get back into the awful habit, but we'll see.


The fact that the majority owners of the Celtics sold right after winning a championship is a pretty damning sign... you'd think after winning a chip, multimillionaires would at least be excited about the possibility of a repeat, but in this case they saw it as the best time to cash out and avoid all of the inevitable financial difficulties and tough decisions that'll have to make in the near future.

[baseline bum]

The fact that the majority owners of the Celtics sold right after winning a championship is a pretty damning sign... you'd think after winning a chip, multimillionaires would at least be excited about the possibility of a repeat, but in this case they saw it as the best time to cash out and avoid all of the inevitable financial difficulties and tough decisions that they'll have to make in the near future.

Celtics not having a Jokic or a Doncic or an SGA means it'll be really hard for them to keep that team on top when it was so good because of how strong its role players were. This CBA really seems like it's going to help teams with franchise carrying level #1 options that you can keep retooling around while wrecking teams built on depth.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't think it's possible to judge the NY/Minn trade yet, because I'm not convinced the T-Wolves are keeping Randle long term. His contract will be easier to trade than KAT's, and if they're sure that Ant is their #1 guy, they can focus on building around/complementing him, getting assets For Randle, and staying financially flexible. Finding someone to unload KAT on might have become a 2 step process in Connelly & Lloyd's minds, because finding anyone willing to take on that contract is not an easy task.

[baseline bum]

I don't think it's possible to judge the NY/Minn trade yet, because I'm not convinced the T-Wolves are keeping Randle long term. His contract will be easier to trade than KAT's, and if they're sure that Ant is their #1 guy, they can focus on building around/complementing him, getting assets For Randle, and staying financially flexible. Finding someone to unload KAT on might have become a 2 step process in Connelly & Lloyd's minds, because finding anyone willing to take on that contract is not an easy task.

IDK we have seen repeatedly that any contract is tradeable if the guy has a pulse (eg not Luol Deng racking up DNPs). I think the Knicks are getting Towns with the idea of trying to win a title in the next two years, and then they'll salary dump him when Bridges is up for a new contract. Plus as bad as Towns contract looks right now, the cap having big jumps every year from the new TV & streaming deal will tamp that down sticker shock significantly by 26-27 when NYK would probably be looking to dump him.

[R. DeMurre]

IDK we have seen repeatedly that any contract is tradeable if the guy has a pulse (eg not Luol Deng racking up DNPs). I think the Knicks are getting Towns with the idea of trying to win a title in the next two years, and then they'll salary dump him when Bridges is up for a new contract. Plus as bad as Towns contract looks right now, the cap is having big jumps every year from the new TV & streaming deal that will tamp that down sticker shock significantly by 26-27 when NYK would probably be looking to dump him.

I agree for the most part, with the caveat that the extremely punitive nature of the second apron will change the dynamic of unloading guys that are seen as good but overpaid, which I think is sort of the consensus on KAT. NY definitely is thinking they have a legit shot in the next two years.

[baseline bum]

I agree for the most part, with the caveat that the extremely punitive nature of the second apron will change the dynamic of unloading guys that are seen as good but overpaid, which I think is sort of the consensus on KAT. NY definitely is thinking they have a legit shot in the next two years.

I think KAT's talented enough that he'll still be movable. Someone else not at the aprons will see him as a missing piece and it'll be a short contract by then.

With this CBA I still can't believe Utah didn't move Marakkanen and try to tank. With how important a #1 guy is going to be in it, and Lauri will never be that, they should be Brooklyn level tanking for Flagg this year and Dybantsa and Boozer the next. Especially when secondary prizes like Harper, Traore, or Bailey could end up that #1 guy too.

[LeBowen]

Look over at the Brandon Ingram situation. Dude's not getting that money. I don't know if KAT would have gotten that bag nowadays. He's a legacy huge contract player that we may not see as much going forward.

I don't know. Teams often can't help themselves. Boston is going all-in with blimped-out contracts. It's won them a chip, but they'll be in trouble.

The purpose of the CBA was to stop those big tickets (for 'pretty good' players, at least). With Ingram and Klay Thompson it worked. I think before long teams will get back into the awful habit, but we'll see.

Ingram would've gotten that money if he could stay healthy and was still NOLA's best player.
Small markets still have no choice but to max their franchise players, even if they're not worth it.

Imo, 30% max after making just one all-NBA selection for 0-6 year players is way too low of a threshold. Requirements should've been higher.
Max->supermax difference shouldn't count against the cap if the player is still on the team he was drafted by. Would reward teams that actually build the right way.


IDK we have seen repeatedly that any contract is tradeable if the guy has a pulse (eg not Luol Deng racking up DNPs). I think the Knicks are getting Towns with the idea of trying to win a title in the next two years, and then they'll salary dump him when Bridges is up for a new contract. Plus as bad as Towns contract looks right now, the cap having big jumps every year from the new TV & streaming deal will tamp that down sticker shock significantly by 26-27 when NYK would probably be looking to dump him.

Theoretically, he's a perfect fit alongside Brunson and three elite defenders.
Him, Markkanen and Porzingis are the only elite 7ft shooters.

With Randle being on an expiring deal getting someone good, but overpaid was their only option.
Otherwise they would've had to settle for a lesser player.

DiVincenzo was also reportedly unhappy for some reason, idk if Knicks twitter is to be trusted.

Porzingis was just a cherry on top if we talk Celtics being a matchup nightmare for everyone in the East.
On paper KAT looks like a perfect counter, we'll see how it goes.

Their entire starting lineup will be between 27 and 29 this season.
Three year contention window sounds about right for thiis roster.

[baseline bum]

Theoretically, he's a perfect fit alongside Brunson and three elite defenders.
Him, Markkanen and Porzingis are the only elite 7ft shooters.

With Randle being on an expiring deal getting someone good, but overpaid was their only option.
Otherwise they would've had to settle for a lesser player.

DiVincenzo was also reportedly unhappy for some reason, idk if Knicks twitter is to be trusted.

Porzingis was just a cherry on top if we talk Celtics being a matchup nightmare for everyone in the East.
On paper KAT looks like a perfect counter, we'll see how it goes.

Their entire starting lineup will be between 27 and 29 this season.
Three year contention window sounds about right for thiis roster.

Agreed, you're not moving Randle for anyone on a good contract. And agreed that Towns seems like a great fit. Terrible #1 option, but having him as maybe third option behind Brunson and Bridges that team could be pretty nasty. I'm surprised how much Knicks fans seem to hate this deal given how feast or famine Randle has been in his time in NYK. Randle doesn't strike me as someone who'd be useful without getting a ton of looks while Towns can just camp at the three point line and keep the lane open for Brunson and Bridges.

[LeBowen]

Agreed, you're not moving Randle for anyone on a good contract. And agreed that Towns seems like a great fit. Terrible #1 option, but having him as maybe third option behind Brunson and Bridges that team could be pretty nasty. I'm surprised how much Knicks fans seem to hate this deal given how feast or famine Randle has been in his time in NYK. Randle doesn't strike me as someone who'd be useful without getting a ton of looks while Towns can just camp at the three point line and keep the lane open for Brunson and Bridges.

The only thing Brunson/Bridges/Hart/OG/KAT lineup is missing is MDA.
If it was Harden instead of Brunson, would've been his wet dream. :lmao

Obviously a hot take right now, but I think Thibs has to make ECF this year or he's gone.
If injuries plague them again, they'll pin it on his coaching style.

[baseline bum]

The only thing Brunson/Bridges/Hart/OG/KAT lineup is missing is MDA.
If it was Harden instead of Brunson, would've been his wet dream. :lmao

Obviously a hot take right now, but I think Thibs has to make ECF this year or he's gone.
If injuries plague them again, they'll pin it on his coaching style.

Agreed 100%. I think he's gone if they don't make the Finals. They don't have time to fuck around with this new CBA and its effective hard cap where you strike when the iron is hot and then a couple years later gotta rebuild.

[Leetonidas]

This will make for an entertaining Christmas day game at least. Wonder who Thibs will have try to guard Victor

[scott]

Forgot that name for Randle never crept upstairs and was more and NBA forum thing to scoff him back when Laker fan was hyping that scrub. Randle is a loser.

Oh, gotcha. Yeah I didn't know that was his nickname. I also agree Randle is a loser.

I'm just of the opinion that shedding KAT is addition by subtraction, similar to someone like Harden. But if it's just to substitute KAT minutes with Randle minutes... lol.

Wonder if NYK is going to run KAT at the 5. If so, Embiid might go for 100.

[scott]

The fact that the majority owners of the Celtics sold right after winning a championship is a pretty damning sign... you'd think after winning a chip, multimillionaires would at least be excited about the possibility of a repeat, but in this case they saw it as the best time to cash out and avoid all of the inevitable financial difficulties and tough decisions that'll have to make in the near future.

Sell high! Those Celtics owners did it right, from a business POV.

[scott]

Agreed, you're not moving Randle for anyone on a good contract. And agreed that Towns seems like a great fit. Terrible #1 option, but having him as maybe third option behind Brunson and Bridges that team could be pretty nasty. I'm surprised how much Knicks fans seem to hate this deal given how feast or famine Randle has been in his time in NYK. Randle doesn't strike me as someone who'd be useful without getting a ton of looks while Towns can just camp at the three point line and keep the lane open for Brunson and Bridges.

I hope they try to fit KAT into a #3 role, because it will be hilarious to watch them implode. No doubt in my mind KAT is going into that team thinking he's the #1 option.

[Pauleta14]

Always interesting to observe players in their last contract years tbh

Randle could end up being a key addition if he's fit when POs come, I don't see Wolves extending him before, if ever.

Not the thread, but same reason I'm intrigued by Tre and Champagnie"s situations, they both need to show the best version of themselves

[kobyz]

I really want the Spurs to push for Coby White, he might be a odd man out in Chicago with the investment they took on Josh Giddy and the longjem at that position, i think with his combination of scoring, shooting and playmaking he's absolutely the type of PG we need around Wemby, Castle, Vassell and Jeremy if he pans out

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1840121203547353232

[CorrectCrusader]

All right basketball is back baby. KAT to the Knicks is interesting. I wonder how it effects Minnesota long term (looking at our pick in 2030 we got from them)

[baseline bum]

Oh, gotcha. Yeah I didn't know that was his nickname. I also agree Randle is a loser.

I'm just of the opinion that shedding KAT is addition by subtraction, similar to someone like Harden. But if it's just to substitute KAT minutes with Randle minutes... lol.

Wonder if NYK is going to run KAT at the 5. If so, Embiid might go for 100.

IDK, I wouldn't make the Harden comparison lightly. I absolutely hate Harden and think the only players more worthless than him are the Branham level scrubs. Harden is such a ball hawk and if he's not being gifted FTs he's a negative player, hence why he has the most spectacular implosions in league history once you start getting late in series and refs swallow their whistles and opponents have had a few games to learn not to get baited into ticky tack crap. Harden's the worst kind of player since he can look like Prime Hakeem Olajuwon in Games 1-4 of a series but you always know he's going to flame out in Games 5-7.

[LeBowen]

Oh, gotcha. Yeah I didn't know that was his nickname. I also agree Randle is a loser.

I'm just of the opinion that shedding KAT is addition by subtraction, similar to someone like Harden. But if it's just to substitute KAT minutes with Randle minutes... lol.

Wonder if NYK is going to run KAT at the 5. If so, Embiid might go for 100.

KAT's 1v1 defense improved a lot over the past few years. He did a great job on both KD and Jokic in the playoffs.
Yeah, he'll never be an elite defender, but it seems like he changed his approach for the better and if he buys in he'll be more than good enough considering how good their wings are defensively.

While it's true that he's still a bit soft, he's come a long way from his early years and he's treated somewhat unfairly, mostly because of Jimmy incident.

Robinson is still there and Knicks can play with both of them in some matchups.
I feel like the easiest way to defend Embiid is to keep bothering him with more defenders because his decision making when he's rushed is still questionable.

Btw, it feels like everyone is forgetting about the Bucks. Will be interesting to see how they fare if they finally stay healthy. Giannis had a monster season before the injury.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1840138511049281599

[Chinook]

That Alvarado contract is brutal. I have no idea why his agent let him sign that.

I remember wanting Okeke back during his draft. He really hasn't been an even okay prospect so far though.

[LeBowen]

That Alvarado contract is brutal. I have no idea why his agent let him sign that.

I remember wanting Okeke back during his draft. He really hasn't been an even okay prospect so far though.

He's surely worth more, but how much more? Yeah, his defense is very good, but he's a 20mpg player, best case scenario.
6'0 guard who can't playmake and is an average shooter. One injury away from being out of the league.
Maybe he's just a reasonable guy. 9 million means he's set for life and he'll still be able to get a contract or two after that one.

[timtonymanu]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1840138511049281599

Morris Sr. just being waiver fodder at this point. Well deserved.

[heyheymymy]

https://x.com/joshhart/status/1840034545451594083

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1840158563307606113

[Dejounte]

I thought Mensah was already on a two way contract.

[CGD]

https://x.com/joshhart/status/1840034545451594083

Can someone translate?

[Joseph Kony]

Can someone translate?

Knicks made a big trade, Knicks player tweets "Are we serious," fans assume it's trade related, player clarifies he's talking about a soccer match

[CGD]

Knicks made a big trade, Knicks player tweets "Are we serious," fans assume it's trade related, player clarifies he's talking about a soccer match

Ah, I see. My mind went to the neighborhood in NYC, not the soccer team lol

[heyheymymy]

Aces got fucking hosed on that call

[venitian navigator]

Okeke, if healty, is intersting and would be a decent wing option...sure we're not interested in him?

[exstatic]

Okeke, if healty, is intersting and would be a decent wing option...sure we're not interested in him?

No. He’s 26 never developed, and in fact, his 3 point shooting regressed every season.

We have so many draft assets we no longer need to go through other teams garbage looking for scraps,

[CGD]

Now, about that 8th pick...

That draft day trade sure looks better now. It’s a troubling signal Wolves leadership is sending about cost cutting being a priority, which is good for us. Lotta time to go obviously.

[exstatic]

That draft day trade sure looks better now. It’s a troubling signal Wolves leadership is sending about cost cutting being a priority, which is good for us. Lotta time to go obviously.

There’s essentially a hard cap in place. If you don’t want it to take a decade to rebuild due to multiple picks moved to the end of the round,you cut costs. GS has been a profligate spender to the tune of $450-500M in tax and salaries some seasons, and they let Klay walk. It’s not being cheap, it’s reading the writing on the wall.

[exstatic]

That Alvarado contract is brutal. I have no idea why his agent let him sign that.

I remember wanting Okeke back during his draft. He really hasn't been an even okay prospect so far though.

I think Alvarado is what’s going to happen on the low end of the spectrum with the second apron. Guys who might have gotten the MLE will now get half that.

[LeBowen]

Dikembe has died, RIP.

[Seventyniner]

Dikembe has died, RIP.

Not many celebrity deaths make me sad, but this one did. He wasn't old at all and had done so much good in humanitarian terms that it's tragic he didn't get to do another 20-30 years of it.

[Pauleta14]

Fuck Cancer

[Mr. Body]

We saw him once in Philadelphia's Penn Station, the one that shows up in a lot of movies. Dude was huge, wearing this candy apple red suit. He got his shoes shined right in the open. He looked like he was sitting on a throne, and all these little kids were coming up to him and he was shaking people's hands. RIP.

[Ice009]

What the he@!, when did this happen? Pauleta14 mentioned cancer? How long did he have it? I had no idea he was sick.

[BatManu20]

Trying really hard to like this but I still hate Chris Paul with a passion so it's difficult tbh.

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[BatManu20]

1840808055593972199

[Devi8or]

So we can all agree that Vic is at least 7'5" or 7'6" right? They lost him as 7'4", but he's clearly taller than that when compared to Paul and Vassell

[John B]

So we can all agree that Vic is at least 7'5" or 7'6" right? They lost him as 7'4", but he's clearly taller than that when compared to Paul and Vassell

How tall is CP3 on that picture next to Wemby? Any chance CP3’s growth plate still gonna grow??

[Mr. Body]

So we can all agree that Vic is at least 7'5" or 7'6" right? They lost him as 7'4", but he's clearly taller than that when compared to Paul and Vassell

He seems weirdly reluctant to actually get measured.

[LeBowen]

Idk why are people so obsessed with both height and weight. What would different measurements change?
You have eyes. He's tall as fuck, move on. He'll be the same player regardless of if he's listed at 7'2 or 7'5.

[John B]

Idk why are people so obsessed with both height and weight. What would different measurements change?
You have eyes. He's tall as fuck, move on. He'll be the same player regardless of if he's listed at 7'2 or 7'5.

Do you know his hand size??

[buttsR4rebounding]

How tall is CP3 on that picture next to Wemby? Any chance CP3’s growth plate still gonna grow??

:rollin

[John B]

:rollin

Can’t wait for the season to start :lol

[LeBowen]

Can’t wait for the season to start :lol

And then to lose all the motivation to watch it when Pop trots out Tre/Wesley/Branham/Jeremy/Collins lineup in second quarter of opening night game. :lmao

[Limguogolo]

"If the insurance companies learn that I am 7'2, they will refuse to insure me." (Victor, 7:2)

[spurraider21]

Edey listed at 7'3 and 3/4 compared to 7'3 for Wemby

[spurraider21]

in a non-player related "off-season" move, ESPN continues to shred itself of all its basketball analyst talent by terminating Zac Lowe's contract. i guess they didn't care for his reluctance to constantly talk about lebron and the lakers. we're left with the likes of shelbourne, perkins, occasionally stephen a., and windhorst.
:lmao letting Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy go in order to pay for this

1846905410332061845

this is Presti signing Perkins and not having money left over for Harden all over again

[Ice009]

Geez. No offense to Perk, as he seems like a good guy, but this seems like a cost saving move. I did not think he's a great analyst at all.

[CGD]

:lmao letting Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy go in order to pay for this

1846905410332061845

this is Presti signing Perkins and not having money left over for Harden all over again

Hilarious

[Fireball]

Geez. No offense to Perk, as he seems like a good guy, but this seems like a cost saving move. I did not think he's a great analyst at all.

His wild takes result in clicks ... thats all that matters nowadays. Analyst? I think he is an idiot ...

[CGD]

To be fair to ESPN, they were paying lots of people who are duplicative. Look at all these public facing mouths they feed:

Marks
Windhorst
Bontamps
The 3rd guy on the windhorst pod
Perk
Dick Jefferson
The old Duke PG
Givony

I’m sure I’m missing others. It’s a share the got rid of their A talent, but I don’t think they’ll miss much of a beat tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Look across the board at nearly everything Disney is doing nowadays. They're in horrible shape across the board.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, Perkins is probably getting 10 to 20% of what Lowe was getting. Same goes for other big names.
JVG and Mark Jackson were definitely were definitely paid way more than Doris Burke and Mark Jones.

The biggest issue for me isn't that they're getting rid of big names, I don't really care about that, but that they're going with full on casual entertainment route.
There's literally noone worth listening to at ESPN. No useful insight, no chemistry and they're beyond cringe.

We'll have to see how NBC and Amazon do next year.
I expect TNT to make this season special.

[Mr. Body]

There's a good chance Disney sells off ESPN soon. Maybe even ABC.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol nephew


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBcYvBoA1g

[CGD]

There's a good chance Disney sells off ESPN soon. Maybe even ABC.

So true: the Marvel franchise went downhill fast, the Star Wars franchise is stalled, ESPN is ass, Hulu is ass.

[CGD]

:lol nephew


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBcYvBoA1g

Freakin OKC, I believe they get the LAC pick unprotected this year. Rich get richer.

[heyheymymy]

Perk fucking sucks

And all the anchors do these days is say purposefully agitating takes on peoples teams to stoke engagement

[RC_Drunkford]

Freakin OKC, I believe they get the LAC pick unprotected this year. Rich get richer.

yeah I hope Nephew gets back for at least the last half of the season cause their roster sucks. OKC getting another top 10 pick this year would make them a juggernaut.

[poopbox]

:lmao letting Zach Lowe and Jeff Van Gundy go in order to pay for this

1846905410332061845

this is Presti signing Perkins and not having money left over for Harden all over again

Harden is a career choker so not so sure this is a bad thing.

Kendrick Perkins is one of those people where his detractors aren't smart enough to understand they are actually his fans and why he has a job and Zach Lowe doesn't. They somehow always know what dumb thing Kendrick Perkins says because they constantly tune in to listen to him say the dumb thing.

[Mal]

:lol nephew


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBcYvBoA1g

This little shit was always the problem. But we got Wemby to cheer, so all forgotten

[exstatic]

Geez. No offense to Perk, as he seems like a good guy, but this seems like a cost saving move. I did not think he's a great analyst at all.

He’s an idiot, with hot takes when his boss demands one. That’s what things are now. Screamin’ A Smith is the star at ESPN now, since they got rid of all of their real analysts.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

4/112 extension for Trey Murphy. Awesome deal for NO.

[LeBowen]

4/112 extension for Trey Murphy. Awesome deal for NO.

DJ, Herb, Murphy and Zion will be on $107 million combined in 2025-26 season.
They'll probably get rid of CJ's expiring deal and have ~45 million to get a center and a functioning bench.
If Zion can stay healthy, that's a solid team.
I guess they'll trade Ingram before the deadline, the biggest issue is finding a C who will fit next to Zion. Can't have a non-shooting big.

[spurraider21]

he was on an absolute tear during March of last year, but otherwise seemed like a lot of the same, inefficient volume scoring. the march version of green was a legitimately terrifying young player tbh

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[Mugen]

he was on an absolute tear during March of last year, but otherwise seemed like a lot of the same, inefficient volume scoring. the march version of green was a legitimately terrifying young player tbh

1848451248342896687

Will be an interesting to see if he keeps up that level of production with Sengun back in the mix tbh.

[exstatic]

he was on an absolute tear during March of last year, but otherwise seemed like a lot of the same, inefficient volume scoring. the march version of green was a legitimately terrifying young player tbh

Will be an interesting to see if he keeps up that level of production with Sengun back in the mix tbh.

Green and Amen Thompson both benefited in a major way from Sengün’s absence, and it will be interesting to see if either of them slide backwards with his return.

[Mr. Body]

Rarely believe in fast track runners at the end of seasons with nothing to play for.

Anything like this is overpay but at least it's just three years.

[rjv]

all i know is that the season can't start soon enough. i've just about overdosed on speculative threads.

[CGD]

he was on an absolute tear during March of last year, but otherwise seemed like a lot of the same, inefficient volume scoring. the march version of green was a legitimately terrifying young player tbh

1848451248342896687

Is that his max, or did he have to take less?

[dn0774]

Is that his max, or did he have to take less?

Like 5 mil less per year iirc

[CGD]

Like 5 mil less per year iirc

Interesting, I kinda like the trade off actually. 15M to get your freedom sooner? The money is so obscene these days. why not tbh.

[dn0774]

Decent deal for both sides I guess. I don’t believe in Green as a long term guy, think he got hot in March against a bunch of tanking teams 3rd stringers but he is still young so may as well throw him a few more years and see if something changes. If his shot isn’t falling then he brings nothing to the table, just not a fan of those kind of players.

[exstatic]

Rarely believe in fast track runners at the end of seasons with nothing to play for.

Anything like this is overpay but at least it's just three years.

Overpay is D’aaron Fox angling for 5/$350M by waiting until next summer to see if he becomes eligible for the SuperMax. This is practically change under couch cushions,

[dn0774]

Interesting, I kinda like the trade off actually. 15M to get your freedom sooner? The money is so obscene these days. why not tbh.

Yea basically if he hits and takes a big step which is possible at his age then he can get to a bigger contract even sooner. If not, well he still gets 106 million.

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

Sengun (and Green) were both eligible for up to 5/225, or about 45m per year. Green signed for about 35m, Sengun for 37.

Feels like very good value for Sengun, even given his defensive limitations. he just turned 22 over the summer and is coming off a year where he averaged 21/9/5

[Mr. Body]

This is what franchises will need to do. Gross overpaying for Klutch client De'Aaron Fox is going to kill Sacramento. Players need to realize most of them aren't worth the max. Teams need to know max contracts will kill them if it's the wrong players.

[objective]

Who could have possibly known that Sengun would be good?

Not B Wrong that's for sure

[KingKev]

Rarely believe in fast track runners at the end of seasons with nothing to play for.

Anything like this is overpay but at least it's just three years.

Yeah but that is literally Dev Vassell’s career. Atleast his contract is structured well.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1848485246590755211

[exstatic]

Who could have possibly known that Sengun would be good?

Not B Wrong that's for sure

We’ve got a guy that’s going to shit on Sengün for the next decade, but keep on crying if you want to.

It would be like Chicago fans crying because they didn’t get Dominique. No, dummies, you got the better model.

[CGD]

People in their feeling because Spurs weren’t able to give Primo 5/225M. The Sads. Major FOMO seeing all these deals for the 2021 class being dished out.

[CGD]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1848485246590755211

But but but Devin Vassell signed 5/135M, what an overpay!!

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1848472019022610697

[KingKev]

People in their feeling because Spurs weren’t able to give Primo 5/225M. The Sads. Major FOMO seeing all these deals for the 2021 class being dished out.


If he averaged 13/4/4 and didn’t show off his wang PATFO would have given him a Suggs type deal. #FreeLilJoshy

[timtonymanu]

Primo sure made us look like the dorks we are.

[rankingtear]

Their starting lineup was -14 for a good two months before Sengun injury and was on a steady decline before that. Somehow that is worth two big extensions with player option and trade bonuses.

[Atl Spur]

We’ve got a guy that’s going to shit on Sengün for the next decade, but keep on crying if you want to.

It would be like Chicago fans crying because they didn’t get Dominique. No, dummies, you got the better model.

They just crave attention……

[Atl Spur]

Primo sure made us look like the dorks we are.

Be better sir; dig deep!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Frustratingly, all of these extensions seem to be good value.

[GAustex]

Be better sir; dig deep!

Miss Cleo crawfishing from her hero

[Strategic]

What will keep Vic from pushing for more $ now?

[djohn2oo8]

Their starting lineup was -14 for a good two months before Sengun injury and was on a steady decline before that. Somehow that is worth two big extensions with player option and trade bonuses.
Sengun is absolutely worth his contract. Green actually giving a more fair deal.

[djohn2oo8]

We’ve got a guy that’s going to shit on Sengün for the next decade, but keep on crying if you want to.

It would be like Chicago fans crying because they didn’t get Dominique. No, dummies, you got the better model.

Sengun already shit of Wemby pretty bad but go off. You should hope Pop is going to retire soon.

[timtonymanu]

Be better sir; dig deep!

Maybe.. idk just ignore my post if it bothers you that much.

[Pauleta14]

Sengun already shit of Wemby pretty bad but go off. You should hope Pop is going to retire soon.

You must have a very selective memory to say so ... :lol

Sengun is prob the player that Vic blocked the most in the league and gave him 1 of the posters of the season.

[Seventyniner]

What will keep Vic from pushing for more $ now?

He's on his rookie contract for this year and the following two. After next season the Spurs will offer him the biggest extension that they can under the CBA and he will sign it.

[Mugen]

Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh :lol

[LeBowen]

Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh :lol

Even with the cap going up every year, he's not worth more than what Keldon got if he doesn't make major improvements to his offense.

[Mugen]

Even with the cap going up every year, he's not worth more than what Keldon got if he doesn't make major improvements to his offense.

It's probably going to be in that Patrick Williams range tbh (5yr/90mil)

[objective]

We’ve got a guy that’s going to shit on Sengün for the next decade, but keep on crying if you want to.

It would be like Chicago fans crying because they didn’t get Dominique. No, dummies, you got the better model.

Not crying at Wemby vs. Sengun, but laughing at the terrible scouting and decision making in the front office.

The same clowns are going to be choosing who to pair with Wemby are the same ones who thought Primo and his cement shoes was a stud, same ones who gave Collins a ridiculous extension (and people like Hollinger and Duncan are adamant that Collins would only have received a minimum in the summer), same ones who chose Branham, Wesley, Luka, same ones trading out of picks in the 30s, same ones who thought Carroll could play, etc etc etc.

[Mugen]

Not crying at Wemby vs. Sengun, but laughing at the terrible scouting and decision making in the front office.

The same clowns are going to be choosing who to pair with Wemby are the same ones who thought Primo and his cement shoes was a stud, same ones who gave Collins a ridiculous extension (and people like Hollinger and Duncan are adamant that Collins would only have received a minimum in the summer), same ones who chose Branham, Wesley, Luka, same ones trading out of picks in the 30s, same ones who thought Carroll could play, etc etc etc.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSG9YsWnwkFvn3NdtvlA1fJ-9eCp7HtVNsR1w&s

:lol

[spurraider21]

ill be honest, i liked the zollins extension at the time :lol... guess i fell for the mirage after the poodle trade

[CGD]

Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh :lol

Here’s hoping he gets Krispert money.

[TekXX]

But but but Devin Vassell signed 5/135M, what an overpay!!

Both overpays

[LeBowen]

Not crying at Wemby vs. Sengun, but laughing at the terrible scouting and decision making in the front office.

The same clowns are going to be choosing who to pair with Wemby are the same ones who thought Primo and his cement shoes was a stud, same ones who gave Collins a ridiculous extension (and people like Hollinger and Duncan are adamant that Collins would only have received a minimum in the summer), same ones who chose Branham, Wesley, Luka, same ones trading out of picks in the 30s, same ones who thought Carroll could play, etc etc etc.

Forget about Sengun, if we had Jalen Williams instead of Sochan, we would be set for many years.
I still can't get over it, tbh.
Not picking Cody and trading the pick just made it worse.
If Cody also becomes a good player, someone will have to be held responsible.

[Ice009]

Edey and Cody Williams are the two guys I was interested in at number 8, and from the early looks, I think both are going to be good players. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they pan out.

What pick was Jalen Williams?

[LeBowen]

Edey and Cody Williams are the two guys I was interested in at number 8, and from the early looks, I think both are going to be good players. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they pan out.

What pick was Jalen Williams?

#12, we got Jeremy with #9.

I guess they wanted size and thought Williams would be similar to Devin.

[Mugen]

ill be honest, i liked the zollins extension at the time :lol... guess i fell for the mirage after the poodle trade

Same tbh :lol

[CGD]

Edey and Cody Williams are the two guys I was interested in at number 8, and from the early looks, I think both are going to be good players. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they pan out.

What pick was Jalen Williams?

Passing on Cody (and to a lesser extent Matas) still bothers me a little bit but nothing 2 bites at a Top 14 pick in 2025 wont cure.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Not crying at Wemby vs. Sengun, but laughing at the terrible scouting and decision making in the front office.

The same clowns are going to be choosing who to pair with Wemby are the same ones who thought Primo and his cement shoes was a stud, same ones who gave Collins a ridiculous extension (and people like Hollinger and Duncan are adamant that Collins would only have received a minimum in the summer), same ones who chose Branham, Wesley, Luka, same ones trading out of picks in the 30s, same ones who thought Carroll could play, etc etc etc.
there are probably clowns on the Thunder forum whining about Presti picking Payne, Ferguson and Giddy instead of Franz
also trading Quickley, Sengun, and Lively
and there are definitely smart guys on the Celtics forum complaining every day about drafting Hunter, Yabusele, Zizic, Langford and signing Hayward

[scott]

Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh :lol

The scariest possibility, IMO, is that Sochan has a season where he shows flashes but is still inconsistent enough to raise question marks and it the Spurs get suckered into overpaying him based on those flashes that turn out to be fool’s gold.

We really need Sochan to take a big step forward this year, or have it be obvious that he’s just going to be a marginal role player in this league. That way the Spurs will have clarity and vision going into extension talks. Because if there isn’t clarity, it can really go sideways if the Spurs guess the wrong way.

[LeBowen]

The scariest possibility, IMO, is that Sochan has a season where he shows flashes but is still inconsistent enough to raise question marks and it the Spurs get suckered into overpaying him based on those flashes that turn out to be fool’s gold.

We really need Sochan to take a big step forward this year, or have it be obvious that he’s just going to be a marginal role player in this league. That way the Spurs will have clarity and vision going into extension talks. Because if there isn’t clarity, it can really go sideways if the Spurs guess the wrong way.

As questionable as drafting has been, they did well with either extending draftees or cutting them loose.
Both Keldon and Devin accepted team-friendly deals. Same goes for Tre.
If Jeremy is smart he'll understand getting less money to stay on the roster with the best player in the league is way better than going to another bad team because players like him don't excel on bad teams.

[scott]

As questionable as drafting has been, they did well with either extending draftees or cutting them loose.
Both Keldon and Devin accepted team-friendly deals. Same goes for Tre.
If Jeremy is smart he'll understand getting less money to stay on the roster with the best player in the league is way better than going to another bad team because players like him don't excel on bad teams.

I don’t disagree, but I also think that Jeremy has more question marks around his future path than any of those. DJM’s extension was probably the one that was the biggest gamble at the time due to injury, but White, Devin and Keldon had all pretty much made it clear who they were by the time their extensions rolled around, same with Tre. Along those lines, Lonnie had also made it quite evident that he wasn’t worthy of a big extension.

Jeremy’s path is a lot less clear, but he has time to remedy that and I hope he does… because I’m not sure I trust this FO to gamble the right direction based on how they handled the Zollins extension.

[exstatic]

I don’t disagree, but I also think that Jeremy has more question marks around his future path than any of those. DJM’s extension was probably the one that was the biggest gamble at the time due to injury, but White, Devin and Keldon had all pretty much made it clear who they were by the time their extensions rolled around, same with Tre. Along those lines, Lonnie had also made it quite evident that he wasn’t worthy of a big extension.

Jeremy’s path is a lot less clear, but he has time to remedy that and I hope he does… because I’m not sure I trust this FO to gamble the right direction based on how they handled the Zollins extension.

Jalen Johnson's first two years were arguably worse than Sochans, and now everyone here is knob slobbering JJ. A similar jump by Jeremy will be met here with skepticism and doubt, because posters here only like other team’s young players, not ours.

[scott]

Jalen Johnson's first two years were arguably worse than Sochans, and now everyone here is knob slobbering JJ. A similar jump by Jeremy will be met here with skepticism and doubt, because posters here only like other team’s young players, not ours.

Jalen Johnson’s first two years were A LOT worse than Sochan’s, but are also completely irrelevant to Sochan.

I’m rooting we see the kind of jump JJ took in his year 3 with Sochan. That would be awesome, and will make it really easy to pinpoint an extension value for Jeremy. Likewise, if Jeremy just puts in a year 3 that is a lot like Year 1 and 2, then it should be fairly easy to dial in an extension for him as well (I’d say 4/60 - 4/80) would be the range.

Those two scenarios are not the ones I’m concerned about. I’m more concerned about a fool’s gold season from Jeremy that causes us to give him 4/120 and then he reverts back to being a 4/60 player.

Obviously, I want Jeremy to take a big leap and be awesome as that is the ideal scenario. But one way or another, I just want Jeremy to have the kind of season that provides clarity (or we wait until after year 4 for an extension). He’s been a bit of an enigma, which provides some excitement about the possibilities of what kind of player he might be, but also is the kind of thing that can result in bad contracts.

[John B]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1848485246590755211

Not bad for a 20th pick. B-bbbut he’s not Spurs material :lol

[exstatic]

Not bad for a 20th pick. B-bbbut he’s not Spurs material :lol

He wasn’t a lot of other teams material, either. You act like the Spurs were the only team giving his group side eye for 4 high schools and 13 games at Duke before quitting. He was a top 5 talent in that draft who dropped like a rock from never committing anywhere. Fucking tumble weed.

[quentin_compson]

Whatever one's opinion on Collins' contract might be - he will be an expiring next season, and it's not like the Spurs are trying to win right now anyway. In all likelihood, it will turn out an overpay, but it won't matter much in the grander scheme of things.

[Mal]

Man, that Sochan extension is gonna be terrifying tbh :lol

Is still cant adapt to players like Sochan getting 125/5 and this is considered as teamfriendly deal.

[Dejounte]

Jalen Johnson’s first two years were A LOT worse than Sochan’s, but are also completely irrelevant to Sochan.

I’m rooting we see the kind of jump JJ took in his year 3 with Sochan. That would be awesome, and will make it really easy to pinpoint an extension value for Jeremy. Likewise, if Jeremy just puts in a year 3 that is a lot like Year 1 and 2, then it should be fairly easy to dial in an extension for him as well (I’d say 4/60 - 4/80) would be the range.

Those two scenarios are not the ones I’m concerned about. I’m more concerned about a fool’s gold season from Jeremy that causes us to give him 4/120 and then he reverts back to being a 4/60 player.

Obviously, I want Jeremy to take a big leap and be awesome as that is the ideal scenario. But one way or another, I just want Jeremy to have the kind of season that provides clarity (or we wait until after year 4 for an extension). He’s been a bit of an enigma, which provides some excitement about the possibilities of what kind of player he might be, but also is the kind of thing that can result in bad contracts.

The type of leap Sochan makes (if he makes one) will be subtle, especially since he’s not featured on offense. Honestly, I’d be satisfied if he made an All Defense team. That would be a huge leap for me. I don’t need to see 20/9 or anything like that. Pay him well if he makes an All Defense team, tbh.

[John B]

He wasn’t a lot of other teams material, either. You act like the Spurs were the only team giving his group side eye for 4 high schools and 13 games at Duke before quitting. He was a top 5 talent in that draft who dropped like a rock from never committing anywhere. Fucking tumble weed.

Yes but Spurs were good with spotting talents not too obvious to everyone before with their interviews, etc. It seems they’ve relied heavily on the performance at the Combine ( Primo, Samanic, Weiskamp). A more in-depth interview with the guy would’ve probably showed this guy’s character, not like just go with what everybody thinks. Just saying.. our scouts have not been that impressive lately to say the least

[R. DeMurre]

I've always seen Sochan's ceiling as an impactful Draymond/Kirilenko type player. He doesn't need to average 20 or even 17ppg, but if he's playing great versatile defense and putting up something like 14/7/4 while being a net positive, I'd be very happy. That would kind of make him the Derrick White of NBA Forwards.

[quentin_compson]

Criticizing the Primo pick primarily because of character aspects is not the angle I would choose, to be honest. :D

[scott]

The type of leap Sochan makes (if he makes one) will be subtle, especially since he’s not featured on offense. Honestly, I’d be satisfied if he made an All Defense team. That would be a huge leap for me. I don’t need to see 20/9 or anything like that. Pay him well if he makes an All Defense team, tbh.

I agree. Sochan’s leap doesn’t need to be in scoring, but it should be apparent in how he impacts the team game. I’m just afraid of a 4/120 extension based on “we like his potential”


Whatever one's opinion on Collins' contract might be - he will be an expiring next season, and it's not like the Spurs are trying to win right now anyway. In all likelihood, it will turn out an overpay, but it won't matter much in the grander scheme of things.

I think it’s important to recognize that whether Collins’ extension “mattered” and whether or not it was a good extension are two different things.

In the end, giving Collins that extension may not have changed anything one way or another (though there may be an argument that his contract made it so that didn’t want to use the #8 pick because we thought we needed that money to get CP3), but we still probably shouldn’t want to be in the habit of giving out bad contracts.

[quentin_compson]

I think it’s important to recognize that whether Collins’ extension “mattered” and whether or not it was a good extension are two different things.

In the end, giving Collins that extension may not have changed anything one way or another (though there may be an argument that his contract made it so that didn’t want to use the #8 pick because we thought we needed that money to get CP3), but we still probably shouldn’t want to be in the habit of giving out bad contracts.

Oh, I agree with that. At the time of the extension, I thought something like "a bit of an overpay probably, but understandable given the nice flashes he has shown and besides, they need to reach the salary floor anyway". Right now, things look quite a bit different, obviously, as far as Collins' worth as an asset beside being a contract is concerned.

I really, really hope that PATFO didn't punt on the #8 pick mainly because of possible cap concerns that would have made signing Chris Paul difficult or impossible. I definitely wouldn't rule that out, though.

[Atl Spur]

Criticizing the Primo pick primarily because of character aspects is not the angle I would choose, to be honest. :D

Welcome to the jungle…. Be careful, the fools bite!

[exstatic]

I really, really hope that PATFO didn't punt on the #8 pick mainly because of possible cap concerns that would have made signing Chris Paul difficult or impossible. I definitely wouldn't rule that out, though.

They could have signed Paul with or without #8 on the books. They could NOT have made the trade with Sacto with #8 on the books. The Sacto trade was an opportunity presented by the #8 trade, and added another unprotected swap to the pile for that trade.

[KingKev]

I can’t see the market very lucrative for Sochan. 3yr/60mm at most or let him walk and tbh that is with him actually making a leap.

[ambchang]

Sochan is one of those players who could be very useful on a good team, but the spurs are a few years away from it. He’s not the type who would give you 5 or 10 wins by carrying the team on his back, but the type who does those little things that turns a good team into a great team.

His prototype isn’t really common either which makes hard to determine on the price tag. He’s like a Derrick white in that regard where white will never take a team to the playoffs being the main man, but will turn a good team into a contender but putting in that extra dimension that makes everything flow.

Something like $20-$25m a year for three to four years would sound fair.

Of course, if he somehow suddenly attain new skills that allows him to create shots for himself and teammates, can finish at all all star level and nail three pointers like klay Thompson then he’d be all nba, but I’m not counting on that :lol

[KingKev]

Sochan is one of those players who could be very useful on a good team, but the spurs are a few years away from it. He’s not the type who would give you 5 or 10 wins by carrying the team on his back, but the type who does those little things that turns a good team into a great team.

His prototype isn’t really common either which makes hard to determine on the price tag. He’s like a Derrick white in that regard where white will never take a team to the playoffs being the main man, but will turn a good team into a contender but putting in that extra dimension that makes everything flow.

Something like $20-$25m a year for three to four years would sound fair.

Of course, if he somehow suddenly attain new skills that allows him to create shots for himself and teammates, can finish at all all star level and nail three pointers like klay Thompson then he’d be all nba, but I’m not counting on that :lol

Tristan Thompson is a better comp.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs have done a good job not overpaying on rookie extensions recently. Vassell's deal is fair, and the ones given to Keldon/White/Dejounte were team friendly if anything. They also haven't given extensions to players that don't deserve one at all like Lonnie. I trust them not overpay Sochan or Wesley or Branham when the time comes.

[Limguogolo]

Sochan is still 21. Anyone who has a strong opinion on a player of this age is not Spurs material.