2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[lefty]

Keldon Johnson just posted a cryptic IG with a hush emoji and a full battery charge emoji. WHAT DOES IT MEAN??

“quiet! I’m trying to charge!”

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1817290142748389831

Damn, he should fire his agent.
Ridiculous onsidering all the scrubs that got the bag.
Huge pickup for Phoenix, they're actually a functional team now.

Will be interesting to see if Bud has the balls to move Beal to a 6th man role, would be a way better fit.

[scott]

Nuts to see Tre making 3x what his brother makes, tbh

[TD 21]

It's a nice pickup in a vacuum, but Jones starting (as he says he will) means a small, unathletic team becomes even more so.

Beal starting and being guaranteed to close will probably become a headline throughout the season.

Either way, this team isn't sniffing championship contention.

[lefty20]

I wonder if Nuggets even tried to go after Jones. They might've just fixated on Westbrick cuz Jokic wanted him.

[Bruno]

I wonder if Nuggets even tried to go after Jones. They might've just fixated on Westbrick cuz Jokic wanted him.

https://x.com/Gambo987/status/1817293288787070991

Hawks not getting Jones is a good news for Spurs.

Hawks pick should be in the 11th to 15th range, but it might change, because they are so dependent on Trae Young. If Trae Young got injured, their whole team will fall apart without Murray there to step up.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1817689403906793574

[cutewizard]

we had a successful offseason so

music maestro

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdQ3JDLlmPI

[heyheymymy]

Hope Sean has a speedy recovery

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[Ice009]

Darn, I hope Sean is all good after having that procedure done.

[Manu-of-steel]

Atrial fibrillation is potentially fatal- major risk for stroke and heart attack. Fortunately, there are new drugs that are highly effective to prevent these sequelae

[Ice009]

Atrial fibrillation is potentially fatal- major risk for stroke and heart attack. Fortunately, there are new drugs that are highly effective to prevent these sequelae

Didn't realize it can be that bad. I wonder what kind of diet he's on these days. I thought I read years ago, or heard Sean mention it during a broadcast that his wife's vegetarian. I'm not a proponent of that diet for health reasons. Some people can get away with it and do well on it, but you're missing out on too many nutrients not eating meat. We're not herbivores.

[BacktoBasics]

Atrial fibrillation is potentially fatal- major risk for stroke and heart attack. Fortunately, there are new drugs that are highly effective to prevent these sequelae

He can probably afford an ablation or has coverage for one. That is the best way to correct the problem. Meds only do so much.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1817953327058911566

[Leetonidas]

Hope Sean has a speedy recovery

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Apparently his apple watch initially notified him of the irregular heartbeat.

Hope he recovers well. Bill Land is probably not gonna be around much longer and I'm not ready for both he and Sean to be gone

[exstatic]

Apparently his apple watch initially notified him of the irregular heartbeat.

Hope he recovers well. Bill Land is probably not gonna be around much longer and I'm not ready for both he and Sean to be gone

What Bill has is treatable, but incurable. He could,however, last up to 10 years.

[heyheymymy]

Apparently his apple watch initially notified him of the irregular heartbeat.

Hope he recovers well. Bill Land is probably not gonna be around much longer and I'm not ready for both he and Sean to be gone

I am not ready for this shit yet

[Chinook]

Wait, what the hell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276873/Nathan-Mensah-Spurs-Agree-To-Two-Way-Deal


Nathan Mensah and the San Antonio Spurs have agreed to a Two-Way deal.Mensah, who is represented by Keith Kreiter (https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent_clients/Keith-Kreiter/153) and Sam Cipriano (https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent_clients/Sam-Cipriano/782), appeared in 25 games last season with the Charlotte Hornets. In 12.3 minutes, Mensah averaged 1.3 points and 2.6 rebounds over 25 games.
Mensah went undrafted in 2023 out of San Diego State.

That's the fourth two-way deal with Bouyea, Grand Wizard and Ingram. Again, that's ignoring Minix. I don't know if they waived Bouyea (or if we've been mistaken about his contract status this whole time), or if Mensah was signed to an X-10 deal instead. But it's weird.

I actually liked Mensah just fine and am glad the team has another young big in the pipeline.

[exstatic]

Wait, what the hell?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276873/Nathan-Mensah-Spurs-Agree-To-Two-Way-Deal



That's the fourth two-way deal with Bouyea, Grand Wizard and Ingram. Again, that's ignoring Minix. I don't know if they waived Bouyea (or if we've been mistaken about his contract status this whole time), or if Mensah was signed to an X-10 deal instead. But it's weird.

I actually liked Mensah just fine and am glad the team has another young big in the pipeline.

Ace3g’s tweet post says “training camp deal”, not two way.

[Chinook]

Ace3g’s tweet post says “training camp deal”, not two way.

I guess the RGM Wiretap folks just messed that up. An X-9/X-10 deal would make a lot of sense, especially with the Toros trading away Bediako's rights.

[jjspur]

I was actually surprised that the spurs did well in summer league. No championship, but they did ok. Mensah, Bouyea, and Ingraham were big reasons for that. Even Minix showed a little something. Hopefully that success continues in the G-League. They can be the new big three for the Austin spurs.

[r0drig0lac]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1818342831376785580

[BatManu20]

Dominick Barlow to the Hawks. Gay.

[spurraider21]

on a two-way

[scott]

Dom gonna lead the Hawks to the playoffs and screw our pick, I see it now

[The Truth #6]

Leaving the Spurs will probably help his career, or at least help him get a new career high when he plays us next.

[Maddog]

on a two-way

He's had enough two way contracts to be a 6 way
Wish him luck. I liked him but never really broke out- sort of a tweener

[TD 21]

Barlow always struck me as a malcontent. Even if/when the Hawks trade Capela or Nance Jr., they'll still have the other and Okongwu (technically Zeller too, but he's probably strictly insurance) to compete with for minutes.

In other ex-Spurs related news, Graham to the Trail Blazers.

[Mr. Body]

Barlow always struck me as a malcontent. Even if/when the Hawks trade Capela or Nance Jr., they'll still have the other and Okongwu (technically Zeller too, but he's probably strictly insurance) to compete with for minutes.

In other ex-Spurs related news, Graham to the Trail Blazers.

Barlow is not a malcontent. Where do you make up this garbage?

[TD 21]

Barlow is not a malcontent. Where do you make up this garbage?

:lmao Old, miserable fool with an axe to grind a lack of basic reading comprehension.

I said he "struck me as" (as in I have no proof, but that's the vibe I got), not he is.

[Mr. Body]

:lmao Old, miserable fool with an axe to grind a lack of basic reading comprehension.

I said he "struck me as" (as in I have no proof, but that's the vibe I got), not he is.

Yeah, where the fuck did you make that shit up.

[Mr. Body]

Like literally there is nothing that says Barlow has been anything like that and here you are just pulling big wads of garbage out of your rectum. Why?

[Chinook]

I'd actually agree that I don't think Barlow wanted to be a Spur last year. Malcontent might be too strong, but I think last year's negotiation damaged his relationship with the team.

[Dejounte]

They replaced Barlow with a true C in Mensah. Barlow was too much of a tweener to really fit in well with what this team needs. Not agile enough to be a PF full time and not big enough to anchor the defense or guard big C’s effectively. Kind of the same issue with Collins.

[spurraider21]

exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20), you think he's making more than 12 mil? :lol

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chop chop


Signature bet. Loser has to change their sig to read [winners screen name] knows contracts better than I do until the end of the next regular season.

[TD 21]

Fine, discontented/disenchanted. Is everyone satisfied now?

Mensah is unlikely to be on the roster in any capacity (more like in the pipeline) and agility wasn't so much the problem with Barlow as it is a lack of ball skills to play the modern PF.

He's a small ball big and that's predominately a big wing position.

[Dejounte]

Fine, discontented/disenchanted. Is everyone satisfied now?

Mensah is unlikely to be on the roster in any capacity (more like in the pipeline) and agility wasn't so much the problem with Barlow as it is a lack of ball skills to play the modern PF.

He's a small ball big and that's predominately a big wing position.

I didn’t imply anywhere that Mensah would be further along than Barlow on this roster. And we disagree on the details of why Barlow didn’t fit but generally agree on that he’s a tweener.

[jjspur]

I really think the NBA should change the rules on two way contracts, letting players stay with a team for more than two years if need be. Some players just need that experience of being on one team . Now if the team doesn't see any progress or the player stagnates and can't beat out the 15th guy, or is just an asshole, then yeah sure cut the guy - no big loss ,they don't make that much money and they don't count against the cap. Its just that some players are forced to look for another team because of the two year rule. I guess that rule would be for players that are too good for the G-league, but not good enough for the NBA. You know, the guys that usually end up in Europe or overseas. Sure they make more money , but its not the NBA.

Not necessarily a Barlow fan, but I think it could work for players with somewhat limited skills. Sort of a team option for two way players beyond year two - if a player was willing to sign it. Just an idea.

[scott]

Fine, discontented/disenchanted. Is everyone satisfied now?

Mensah is unlikely to be on the roster in any capacity (more like in the pipeline) and agility wasn't so much the problem with Barlow as it is a lack of ball skills to play the modern PF.

He's a small ball big and that's predominately a big wing position.




I didn’t imply anywhere that Mensah would be further along than Barlow on this roster. And we disagree on the details of why Barlow didn’t fit but generally agree on that he’s a tweener.

Mensah probably fits the mold of emergency backup C while Bassey is out injured more than Barlow does, is my take.

[Chinook]

I really think the NBA should change the rules on two way contracts, letting players stay with a team for more than two years if need be. Some players just need that experience of being on one team . Now if the team doesn't see any progress or the player stagnates and can't beat out the 15th guy, or is just an asshole, then yeah sure cut the guy - no big loss ,they don't make that much money and they don't count against the cap. Its just that some players are forced to look for another team because of the two year rule. I guess that rule would be for players that are too good for the G-league, but not good enough for the NBA. You know, the guys that usually end up in Europe or overseas. Sure they make more money , but its not the NBA.

Not necessarily a Barlow fan, but I think it could work for players with somewhat limited skills. Sort of a team option for two way players beyond year two - if a player was willing to sign it. Just an idea.

Nah. The point is to encourage player movement. The Spurs literally chose 15 players above Barlow. It's not healthy of them to try to cling to a person in that position. That third year of two-way eligibility is there so another team can take a chance. But really it's "chop-chop". Room needs to be made for other guys coming up. If Barlow can't hang after three years, he deserves to lose that middle ground.

[scott]

I really think the NBA should change the rules on two way contracts, letting players stay with a team for more than two years if need be. Some players just need that experience of being on one team . Now if the team doesn't see any progress or the player stagnates and can't beat out the 15th guy, or is just an asshole, then yeah sure cut the guy - no big loss ,they don't make that much money and they don't count against the cap. Its just that some players are forced to look for another team because of the two year rule. I guess that rule would be for players that are too good for the G-league, but not good enough for the NBA. You know, the guys that usually end up in Europe or overseas. Sure they make more money , but its not the NBA.

Not necessarily a Barlow fan, but I think it could work for players with somewhat limited skills. Sort of a team option for two way players beyond year two - if a player was willing to sign it. Just an idea.

Finding a way to keep shitty players around longer is a very on brand for SpursTalk.com

[Dejounte]

Mensah probably fits the mold of emergency backup C while Bassey is out injured more than Barlow does, is my take.
Yes, exactly. Mensah is that insurance dude.

C rotation ideally looks like this:
Wemby
2. competent backup big that’s anyone but Collins
3. Backup to the backup big when backup big is injured, somewhat competes for that backup big role so that the position is never safe
4. Pipeline backup to the backup to the backup big who is always on a two way, eventually a replacement for the backup to the backup to the backup big

keep cycling new players for those 2, 3, 4 center spots over the years (number 2 stays a year or two longer than the number 3 and 4 guys)

[spurraider21]

with wesley on the roster already as a young project 4th PG, it makes me question the point of Bouyea occupying a 2-way spot. he was nice in summer league but is also already 25 yo with 5 years of college and 2 years of gleague. perhaps they value him enough to run the gleague team and create a semblance of structure on that squad (helping them develop and evaluate other prospects) that they think its worth giving him a 2-way spot to ensure he stays with austin.

Ingram getting a 2-way makes a lot of sense. 3&D frontcourt player with some rebounding/passing ability is worth keeping an eye on.

Grand Wizard is also on the older side... he'll also turn 25 before the season starts. but he's been quite productive in gleague and his game looks pretty NBA translatable. backup 2 is a bigger position of need than backup 1, since all we really have there right now is Branham (im assuming Castle is being brought up as a PG). his 3pt shooting numbers have also gotten appreciably better year after year, while he's also been a solid FT shooter and is a defensive effort guy.

but for the last spot, i'd prefer Minix to Bouyea. dont know how strongly i feel about mensah. havent watched him play much, but if we moved on from barlow because he was a tweener or undersized 5 at 6'9, then what are we seeing in Mensah? He's also already 26.

as far as the center rotation, wemby/zollins will do what they did most of last year, and hopefully bassey comes back and is able to play at least at the level we saw early last year before he got hurt. i dont think there's much more to see here, unless they give Mamu some spot minutes at C, even though i think he works best paired with wemby

[Chinook]

with wesley on the roster already as a young project 4th PG, it makes me question the point of Bouyea occupying a 2-way spot. he was nice in summer league but is also already 25 yo with 5 years of college and 2 years of gleague. perhaps they value him enough to run the gleague team and create a semblance of structure on that squad (helping them develop and evaluate other prospects) that they think its worth giving him a 2-way spot to ensure he stays with austin.

Ingram getting a 2-way makes a lot of sense. 3&D frontcourt player with some rebounding/passing ability is worth keeping an eye on.

Grand Wizard is also on the older side... he'll also turn 25 before the season starts. but he's been quite productive in gleague and his game looks pretty NBA translatable. backup 2 is a bigger position of need than backup 1, since all we really have there right now is Branham (im assuming Castle is being brought up as a PG). his 3pt shooting numbers have also gotten appreciably better year after year, while he's also been a solid FT shooter and is a defensive effort guy.

but for the last spot, i'd prefer Minix to Bouyea. dont know how strongly i feel about mensah. havent watched him play much, but if we moved on from barlow because he was a tweener or undersized 5 at 6'9, then what are we seeing in Mensah? He's also already 26.

as far as the center rotation, wemby/zollins will do what they did most of last year, and hopefully bassey comes back and is able to play at least at the level we saw early last year before he got hurt. i dont think there's much more to see here, unless they give Mamu some spot minutes at C, even though i think he works best paired with wemby


Wesley sucks, and the Spurs really need an alternative to him on the roster in 2025. The team can afford to spend on a starting PG if Castle isn't ready, but they can't really afford to spend a lot on a backup. Bouyea and GW at least give some options out of a camp. That's even more true if Wesley's fourth year isn't picked up. SG has Champangie there as well, and he's better two-guard depth than Blake is PG depth.

I do question Wiz and Duke both being there instead of a center, but as I said, at least Mamu can take fourth-string minutes. I'm hoping guys like Mensah and Minix get a legit change to take those spots, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them waived soon after the S&B scrimmage and sent to the Toros.

[spurraider21]

Wesley sucks, and the Spurs really need an alternative to him on the roster in 2025. The team can afford to spend on a starting PG if Castle isn't ready, but they can't really afford to spend a lot on a backup. Bouyea and GW at least give some options out of a camp. That's even more true if Wesley's fourth year isn't picked up. SG has Champangie there as well, and he's better two-guard depth than Blake is PG depth.

I do question Wiz and Duke both being there instead of a center, but as I said, at least Mamu can take fourth-string minutes. I'm hoping guys like Mensah and Minix get a legit change to take those spots, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them waived soon after the S&B scrimmage and sent to the Toros.
i agree that wesley sucks, and i do not believe his 4th year option should be exercised unless he shows a huge 3rd year leap during camp/preseason. but he also just turned 21 a few months ago and has been as productive in the gleague as a more experienced/seasoned bouyea. if the spurs were looking for alternative PGs for 2025, i really dont think Bouyea should currently be seen as one of the candidates.

champ is SG depth in theory, but im not sure we ever saw minutes from him where he was not playing alongside 2 other guards.

[Chinook]

i agree that wesley sucks, and i do not believe his 4th year option should be exercised unless he shows a huge 3rd year leap during camp/preseason. but he also just turned 21 a few months ago and has been as productive in the gleague as a more experienced/seasoned bouyea. if the spurs were looking for alternative PGs for 2025, i really dont think Bouyea should currently be seen as one of the candidates.

I wouldn't say that. While I do think Bouyea is not a keeper, his d-league numbers came as a regular player rather than a send-down with free reign like Wesley. Blake's 25 USG% compared to Bouyea's 19 tells that. When we're talking about back-up or third-string PG, I don't really care about leftover potential. That's even more true when the projected 2025 starter is so young. I'd like it to be a guy who can come in and be steady. I don't think there's enough evidence to say Bouyea can do that. But I do think he deserves that chance rather than being blocked out by another year of hoping Wesley figures it out. I wish the Spurs had snagged an older PG, high-floor PG in the second round to add real depth. They can and should do that next year, but it would be nice if they had experience in the system before having to hold down a position on a Spurs team that should definitely have little room for project minutes.

Champ does fit best at SF, but he did play some SG minutes last year. I don't think he's incapable of playing that position and indeed think there are plenty of lineups where he could play there next season.

[Dejounte]

^exactly. Not every player on the roster has to have starter upside. Third stringer or fourth stringer showing second string upside is fine as is. I’m fine with those end of bench guys being old projects. Then, use your actual assets to replace your starters. Don’t rely on end of bench guys to grow into those roles. I mean, it would be nice but don’t count on it. Wesley, Bouyea, anybody just trying to be good enough to be a backup PG is reason enough to keep them. I think Bouyea has a better shot at it than Wesley, tbh.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't say that. While I do think Bouyea is not a keeper, his d-league numbers came as a regular player rather than a send-down with free reign like Wesley. Blake's 25 USG% compared to Bouyea's 19 tells that. When we're talking about back-up or third-string PG, I don't really care about leftover potential. That's even more true when the projected 2025 starter is so young. I'd like it to be a guy who can come in and be steady. I don't think there's enough evidence to say Bouyea can do that. But I do think he deserves that chance rather than being blocked out by another year of hoping Wesley figures it out. I wish the Spurs had snagged an older PG, high-floor PG in the second round to add real depth. They can and should do that next year, but it would be nice if they had experience in the system before having to hold down a position on a Spurs team that should definitely have little room for project minutes.

Champ does fit best at SF, but he did play some SG minutes last year. I don't think he's incapable of playing that position and indeed think there are plenty of lineups where he could play there next season.
based on a FA market where Tyus Jones is signing for the minimum, and remaining free agents include Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith, i dont think it will be impossibly difficult to find one next offseason that can be a capable backup

early look at 2025 for backup type players, you have guys like Brogdon and Schroeder in addition to potentially retaining Tre or Paul

[exstatic]

exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20), you think he's making more than 12 mil? :lol

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chop chop



One years can be funny. I hold out hope, a little bit, anyway. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Mensah probably fits the mold of emergency backup C while Bassey is out injured more than Barlow does, is my take.

Meh, they're both pretty undersized; Dom might fill out to be Mensah's weight when he's 26.

Mensah seems like a two-way to start the season to give him a little more money to stay in Austin unless he really impresses.

[jjspur]

Nah. The point is to encourage player movement. The Spurs literally chose 15 players above Barlow. It's not healthy of them to try to cling to a person in that position. That third year of two-way eligibility is there so another team can take a chance. But really it's "chop-chop". Room needs to be made for other guys coming up. If Barlow can't hang after three years, he deserves to lose that middle ground.

Like I said, if they can't beat the 15th guy and suck swamp water, just let them go, no harm no foul. However we all know that some players whether they are on a full contract or on a two way, can be late bloomers. Why pay the two ways a real salary when you can still keep them tied to a team for the two way price. In baseball some players stay in the minors for 5 plus seasons (depending on their contracts) until they are ready - some players just take a while. Only then do they move up and get a major league salary. The spurs idea of encouraging player movement, is telling Barlow to move on to be some other teams responsibility.

Relax, its just an idea. I don't have Adam Silver on speed dial, however there are some people on NBA boards who have more progressive ideas than mine.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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ESPN Sources: Free agent G Luke Kennard has agreed on a new one-year, $11 million contract to stay with the Memphis Grizzlies. Kennard’s a career 44 percent 3-point shooter and a key floor spacer for the Western contender.

[mudyez]

https://images2.dwell.com/photos/6063391372700811264/7180893989037125632/original.jpg?auto=format&q=35&w=1120

TP is selling his home...imagine, Wemby not beeing able to afford it for quite some time. The beds are too short anyway.

https://www.dwell.com/article/basketball-star-tony-parker-home-anaqua-springs-ranch-boerne-texas-real-estate-f1aaaf91

[scott]

TP's been trying to sell this for awhile, hasn't he? Surprised some water park enthusiasts haven't joined forces to go in on it together.

[Mugen]

I bet Porky got stuck on that water slide tbh

[Pauleta14]

TP watched MTV way too much as a kid.

IIRC It was his dream house and made the plans himself

[Bruno]

I really think the NBA should change the rules on two way contracts, letting players stay with a team for more than two years if need be. Some players just need that experience of being on one team .

Players can stay up to three years with the same team on two-way contracts.

Spurs were allowed to offer Barlow an one year two-way contract. Either they didn't offer him that contract or he turned it down to sign the same one with Hawks.

[Ice009]

https://images2.dwell.com/photos/6063391372700811264/7180893989037125632/original.jpg?auto=format&q=35&w=1120

TP is selling his home...imagine, Wemby not beeing able to afford it for quite some time. The beds are too short anyway.

https://www.dwell.com/article/basketball-star-tony-parker-home-anaqua-springs-ranch-boerne-texas-real-estate-f1aaaf91

Interesting. Crazy house he has there. Is he not planning on staying in SA much going forward?

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
The New York Knicks have agreed to a deal with Chuma Okeke, league sources told Hoopshype
. Okeke averaged 6.3 points and 3.7 rebounds in 20.3 minutes in four seasons with the Orlando Magic. At 25 years old, the former 16th pick of the 2019 NBA Draft has potential untapped upside

[Dverde]

Gordon Hayward is taking his 272M bag and going home.

[CGD]

Gordon Hayward is taking his 272M bag and going home.



Wasnt he injured for most of it too? And because he played in meh cities/teams, he was too irrelevant to be shat on to even have his legacy tarnished.

[spurraider21]

One years can be funny. I hold out hope, a little bit, anyway. :lol
vet's min :lol... on a non guaranteed camp deal

https://hoopshype.com/player/devonte-graham/salary/

change det sig

[Leetonidas]

vet's min :lol... on a non guaranteed camp deal

https://hoopshype.com/player/devonte-graham/salary/

change det sig

:lol ouch. Feel sorry for Graham tbh

[heyheymymy]

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[mudyez]

1819172912164753737

For that money, he is a bargain.

[Mr. Body]

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I know ppl are obsessing over tea leaves about the Finn. This is the sort of thing to actually mean something.

[exstatic]

I know ppl are obsessing over tea leaves about the Finn. This is the sort of thing to actually mean something.

Not really. They got CP3 to take a mil less and Barnes to drop his trade kicker for this to happen. He was always going to be guaranteed based on those two things.

[ginobilized]

With Markkanen likely unavailable, are there any moves worth making?
It seems like this might be the team they ride with for 24-25

[scott]

8/1 was Champagnie's guaranty date. Nothing to read into that other than the contract working exactly as designed.

[Leetonidas]

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Sad that this dude was a stater for us :lol supposed to be a 3&D player but his D is average and his 3PT% is average also

[itzsoweezee]

For that money, he is a bargain.

What? Definitely not a bargain. Maybe appropriate pay, or overpay, but Champagnie wasn’t going to get more somewhere else. He’s lucky to be on a roster

[lefty20]

We're back baby.

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[John B]

We're back baby.

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Nice :toast

[Mr. Body]

Knicks? That's weird.

[playblair]

We're back baby.

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https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/12/GettyImages-84122865-scaled-e1639422716811.jpg

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sad that this dude was a stater for us :lol supposed to be a 3&D player but his D is average and his 3PT% is average also

So he’s an average 3&D player at a below average price.

[timtonymanu]

:lol nba having to deal with us being back on national television. Then again the nba loves Wemby.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9U10VreVAA

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this made me laugh so hard, hahahahahahahahahaha

[cutewizard]

Yabusele to the Spursssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!

Do it Spurs! do it RC!

he got chemistry with Wemby >

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXbjI7tq80

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1823721396905894371

Patty to keep them in the running for top5 odds.

[rjv]

good for patty. hopefully, he's worth a couple of wins to push the jazz record above the hawks (but not the bulls).

[Chinook]

He showed he can still play during the Olympics and is an established plus in the locker room. It's not a bad deal.

[Chinook]

A news story that might be flying under the radar:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40856094/ex-nba-player-royce-white-wins-gop-senate-primary-minnesota

[Robz4000]

A news story that might be flying under the radar:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40856094/ex-nba-player-royce-white-wins-gop-senate-primary-minnesota

:lol a mental health advocate running under the GOP banner

[CGD]

A news story that might be flying under the radar:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40856094/ex-nba-player-royce-white-wins-gop-senate-primary-minnesota

The Navy veteran he was running against must’ve been complete ass. Love how they’re calling him a “Conservative populist” lol. Just say he’s the Trump pick.

[heyheymymy]

A news story that might be flying under the radar:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40856094/ex-nba-player-royce-white-wins-gop-senate-primary-minnesota

Royce White, seeking the Republican nomination in next week’s primary to challenge Democratic incumbent U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, put his arm around Bannon last month and praised him as “an American hero.” White also counts among his friends conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, and his past social media comments have been denounced as misogynistic, homophobic, antisemitic and profane. His legal and financial problems include unpaid child support and questionable campaign spending. As first reported by The Daily Beast, potentially illegal expenses included $1,200 spent at a Florida strip club after he lost a race for Congress in 2022.

[BackHome]

Crazy things have happened I remembered when Republican truck driver in New Jersey, Edward Durr beat one of the most powerful politicians Steve Sweeney in state race. That was truly a David VS Goliath outcome as one spent thousands the other millions in campaign

[widowmaker]

Crazy things have happened I remembered when Republican truck driver in New Jersey, Edward Durr beat one of the most powerful politicians Steve Sweeney in state race. That was truly a David VS Goliath outcome as one spent thousands the other millions in campaign


Did they find the guy dead after he won?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1825200310551199849

[Vienna]

A news story that might be flying under the radar:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40856094/ex-nba-player-royce-white-wins-gop-senate-primary-minnesota

He sure loves losing against women. he lost his only MMA fight against a woman.

[Ice009]

Wow. So it's a done deal? He's signing with Philadelphia. I think he's going to help them tremendously. Also, nice that their main rival will be Boston and he played for them and they cut him, so that would give him extra incentive. Could be a difference maker for Philadelphia.
I really wanted the Spurs to get him, but oh well, not my choice.

[spurraider21]

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[JPB]

1826371529728557212

He'll find another team but imagine being paid 7M a year for 3 years to chill on your couch.

[KingKev]

He'll find another team but imagine being paid 7M a year for 3 years to chill on your couch.

Spurs legend Demarre Carrol knows somethin’ bout that.

[Ice009]

He'll find another team but imagine being paid 7M a year for 3 years to chill on your couch.

What's the tweet about? I can't view it. I tried Exstatic's trick by clicking on reply and then manually going to the url, but it's just a bunch of numbers, so no link to follow.

[exstatic]

What's the tweet about? I can't view it. I tried Exstatic's trick by clicking on reply and then manually going to the url, but it's just a bunch of numbers, so no link to follow.

Coke head Nasir Little was waived and stretched by Phoenix.

[Leetonidas]

So he’s an average 3&D player at a below average price.

No...league average 3 point shooting and league average defense is not what you expect of a player who supposedly specializes in shooting threes and playing defense

[heyheymymy]

KJ looking very slim in this clip

C--5gLDROSb

[John B]

KJ looking very slim in this clip

C--5gLDROSb

At first he was Big Body to play the much needed PF position which Keldon proved to be too short. So now he’s slimming down to move faster to play and defend the SF position. What’s next?

[Ignazzz]

PG duty left.

[mudyez]

At first he was Big Body to play the much needed PF position which Keldon proved to be too short. So now he’s slimming down to move faster to play and defend the SF position. What’s next?

Sounds weird but he is such a good soldier, that I asume it to be true.

[KingKev]

Not sure how I feel about a slimmer Keldon. That big body was a reason he as able to make so many hustle plays around the rim. I know he is spending more time on the perimeter as a wing but it’ll take more than slimming down to improve his D.

[R. DeMurre]

I remember hearing an interview years ago with Phil Jackson where he talked about the off season the year after Jordan came back from his baseball retirement, where he said the team's main goal was upgrading the PF position. He sat down with the GM and other guys and made a list of the PFs they wanted most, and at the top of the list was Derrick Coleman of the Nets. Rodman was like 7th or 8th on the list, but as time moved on and none of the other PFs were available, that's who they finally got. In retrospect, Rodman was probably a better fit than Coleman, so they really lucked out in that sense.

[exstatic]

I remember hearing an interview years ago with Phil Jackson where he talked about the off season the year after Jordan came back from his baseball retirement, where he said the team's main goal was upgrading the PF position. He sat down with the GM and other guys and made a list of the PFs they wanted most, and at the top of the list was Derrick Coleman of the Nets. Rodman was like 7th or 8th on the list, but as time moved on and none of the other PFs were available, that's who they finally got. In retrospect, Rodman was probably a better fit than Coleman, so they really lucked out in that sense.

Coleman was way more talented, but he was a drunk. Terrible waste.

[The Truth #6]

I thought Keldon already tried slimming down to play more on the perimeter? Regardless, I think the new players this year will make that move easier as in he could get more easy looks and not have to self create, but also more of a necessity for him with Sochan and Barnes playing the 4. Hopefully it works out.

[R. DeMurre]

Coleman was way more talented, but he was a drunk. Terrible waste.

Coleman had a more well rounded overall game, but I think this was one of those situations where Rodman's strengths were actually a better fit. Coleman scored more but was relatively inefficient, so taking shots away from Jordan, Pippen, & Kukoc might've been counterproductive, whereas Rodman not caring at all about shot attempts and being obsessed with offensive rebounding made him ideal.

[KingKev]

Coleman had a more well rounded overall game, but I think this was one of those situations where Rodman's strengths were actually a better fit. Coleman scored more but was relatively inefficient, so taking shots away from Jordan, Pippen, & Kukoc might've been counterproductive, whereas Rodman not caring at all about shot attempts and being obsessed with offensive rebounding made him ideal.

Agreed. You just can’t replicate what Rodman brought to the table when he was in the right environment for him which is a BIG when.

[MannyIsGod]

Thank god EPL, CFB, and NFL are back because this is the deadest portion of the sports calender and only sickos that like baseball are happy. Need some regular season basketball to start.

[heyheymymy]

Thank god EPL, CFB, and NFL are back because this is the deadest portion of the sports calender and only sickos that like baseball are happy. Need some regular season basketball to start.

The Olympics were crucial this summer. MLB is pretty slow until it gets good in October but I watch what I can. I've been watching GOLF channel a lot. College softball and Little League World Series plus I guess NBA Summer League are all you get otherwise for the entire summer and it kinda sucks.

Was watching Florida Atlantic NCAA football and the Patriots preseason game this weekend like sighting land after being lost at sea

[cutewizard]

Rodman is a defensive genius, with a basketball IQ comparable to the greats

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

Mamu should be in the regular rotation and play more

[cutewizard]

Can Sochan improve, hmmmmmm>?????

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[cutewizard]

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[Leetonidas]

Are you on a meth binge or what?

[exstatic]

Are you on a meth binge or what?

I’m convinced it’s a bot.

[John B]

Pornhub must not be working

[exstatic]

I come and check when I see that poster as the latest reply to see if anyone ELSE posted, but it’s usually just their binge vomited 4-5 posts which could all be in one post. Pure post count run up. Haven’t read the posts in a few years. Not worth it.

[spurraider21]

1828885386111676604

[BacktoBasics]

Pornhub must not be working

It only works with a VPN in the free state of Texas.

[exstatic]

1828885386111676604

No defense, and virtually no playmaking. Overall low BBIQ. He’s a decent bench bucket,but that’s it.

He’s Ben McLemore, and Ben was out of the league at 28.

[CGD]

1828885386111676604

Now do the video of him giving all of it back on the D (and then some).

[spurraider21]

that was quick

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[CGD]

^ D. White with the hook up

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1828954161083212032

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1828954161083212032

Ouch

[John B]

I don’t see a fit in Celtics. Lonnie will be good as tank commander, losing with some showmanship.

[exstatic]

I don’t see a fit in Celtics. Lonnie will be good as tank commander, losing with some showmanship.

I’m actually shocked Brooklyn didn’t sign him, short term. He’s a good guy,and not likely to cause any unnecessary wins.

[KingKev]

Lohnnie Walker to Celts on an exhibit 10

[KingKev]

Not a rumour just Bleacher Report spitballing but Lavine and Chi 2029 unprotected FRP for Keldon and Zollins in a larger deal that includes Phoenix and the Clippers.

Would leave a jam at the guard spot and have us playing smaller. Could provide some much needed 3pt shooting and Lavine could probably play off ball pretty well with Wemby IF/WHEN healthy.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10133438-4-team-trade-idea-to-help-bulls-suns-deal-overpaid-stars

[CGD]

Not a rumour just Bleacher Report spitballing but Lavine and Chi 2029 unprotected FRP for Keldon and Zollins in a larger deal that includes Phoenix and the Clippers.

Would leave a jam at the guard spot and have us playing smaller. Could provide some much needed 3pt shooting and Lavine could probably play off ball pretty well with Wemby IF/WHEN healthy.

Hmm… there will be a point when even that abomination of a contract will become less abominationy. That’s probably still a year from now, but if CHI is willing to pay a tax I’d consider moving up the timeline to this trade deadline. The acquiring team “only” has 2.5 years left on it.

I’d probably want more than the 29FRP tho. Kelton’s is a good contract, and even Zollins’ becomes a potentially helpful expiring soon.

[baseline bum]

Pornhub must not be working

Doesn't in Texas. Thank god for NordVPN.

[scott]

Not a rumour just Bleacher Report spitballing but Lavine and Chi 2029 unprotected FRP for Keldon and Zollins in a larger deal that includes Phoenix and the Clippers.

Would leave a jam at the guard spot and have us playing smaller. Could provide some much needed 3pt shooting and Lavine could probably play off ball pretty well with Wemby IF/WHEN healthy.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10133438-4-team-trade-idea-to-help-bulls-suns-deal-overpaid-stars

If the protections on this year's pick were loosened (or flat out eliminated) as well... then I'm interested in talking.

[baseline bum]

Not a rumour just Bleacher Report spitballing but Lavine and Chi 2029 unprotected FRP for Keldon and Zollins in a larger deal that includes Phoenix and the Clippers.

Would leave a jam at the guard spot and have us playing smaller. Could provide some much needed 3pt shooting and Lavine could probably play off ball pretty well with Wemby IF/WHEN healthy.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10133438-4-team-trade-idea-to-help-bulls-suns-deal-overpaid-stars

Nah if I'm taking LaVine's contract I want Chicago's picks now. So remove protection on the 25 and give me a lightly protected 27 or Chicago can fuck off and keep that toxic contract.

[Mr. Body]

Take on LaVine's ungodly contract and give up two pretty decent pieces? Maybe Bleacher Report should just get shut down at this point. They're embarrassing.

[heyheymymy]

I would prefer to have nothing to do with Lavine

The injury woes are concerning

[jjspur]

I've noticed that when Bleacher Report proposes a trade, the smaller market teams always get screwed over in favor of teams like LA, Chicago, the Knicks or Celtics regardless of the contracts involved. Yeah Bleacher Report is a digital rag publication who uses stories like this for click bait. Come up with some real NBA reporting, this reeks of summer time desperation.

[KingKev]

I've noticed that when Bleacher Report proposes a trade, the smaller market teams always get screwed over in favor of teams like LA, Chicago, the Knicks or Celtics regardless of the contracts involved. Yeah Bleacher Report is a digital rag publication who uses stories like this for click bait. Come up with some real NBA reporting, this reeks of summer time desperation.

Yes, quite similar to 90% of the trade spitballing that goes on here which typically reeks of home cooking.

I’d argue these outlets are now talking about us more and attempting to get Wemby some real help in these fantasy scenarios.

[scott]

Yes, quite similar to 90% of the trade spitballing that goes on here which typically reeks of home cooking.

I’d argue these outlets are now talking about us more and attempting to get Wemby some real help in these fantasy scenarios.

Still can't believe Branham and the CHA pick wasn't enough to land Lauri, tbh.

[KingKev]

Still can't believe Branham and the CHA pick wasn't enough to land Lauri, tbh.

I know the nerve of Danny Ainge trying to fleece PATFO! They’ll regret it. All those GM’s who passed up trading all-star talent for Lohnnie Walker a few years back are really biting the curb now!!!

[buttsR4rebounding]

Nah if I'm taking LaVine's contract I want Chicago's picks now. So remove protection on the 25 and give me a lightly protected 27 or Chicago can fuck off and keep that toxic contract.

Get 25 frp protections reduced and the 29 pick. Rehab Lavine and ship him out in a year or 2 for more assets.

[baseline bum]

Get 25 frp protections reduced and the 29 pick. Rehab Lavine and ship him out in a year or 2 for more assets.

25frp protections would have to be eliminated, not reduced. And 2029 isn't good enough. I want 2027 while their team is shit.

[Mr. Body]

Get 25 frp protections reduced and the 29 pick. Rehab Lavine and ship him out in a year or 2 for more assets.

They can't give LaVine away right now. How would you get assets for him.

[exstatic]

They can't give LaVine away right now. How would you get assets for him.

They’re just trying to dump the remaining ~$135M or so on his deal. Other than volume scoring, his game has fallen off a cliff since he signed his new deal. It’s not a matter of getting assets, it’s how many assets will they have to attach to get rid of that contract in the age of the second apron.

[scott]

I don't see Chicago actually wanting to dump Lavine right now. He's a perfect tank commander. Legit 20+ ppg scorer, two-time former all-star who can't stay healthy. Gives the illusion of having an alpha dog on their team while still allowing them to be firmly in the SuckChase and protect their pick.

Yeah he's got a huge salary, but Chicago can afford it. No reason for that team to go and do things to actually make them better right now.

Of course, Chicago is like Utah and seems to have this bizarre love affair with being in the pick 9-12 range... so who knows. But conceptually, they should just ride with Lavine and win 16 games.

[exstatic]

I don't see Chicago actually wanting to dump Lavine right now. He's a perfect tank commander. Legit 20+ ppg scorer, two-time former all-star who can't stay healthy. Gives the illusion of having an alpha dog on their team while still allowing them to be firmly in the SuckChase and protect their pick.

Yeah he's got a huge salary, but Chicago can afford it. No reason for that team to go and do things to actually make them better right now.

Of course, Chicago is like Utah and seems to have this bizarre love affair with being in the pick 9-12 range... so who knows. But conceptually, they should just ride with Lavine and win 16 games.

This,but that’s good for us in 26-27. They were in 9th, however, when they won the lottery and got DRose, and that was pre new flattened odds. The moves they’ve made so far this offseason don’t signal outright tank, but more like what you said about them.

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

The point guard is cominggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[cutewizard]

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[cutewizard]

I hope we get Khaman next year

Do it Spurssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssss

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTILR2IUMLo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI637zi_p2A

[cutewizard]

the Twin Towers of Wemby and Khaman could be unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ksJqxi6Z_s

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[cutewizard]

but this is the coming man.......................

[cutewizard]

The Prince of Wands >>>> Stephon Castle

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[cutewizard]

Back to the passing game of 2014 we hope, step by step >>>>>

Point Center >>> Wemby

Point Forwards >>>>>> Mamu, Sochan

Point Wings >>>> Castle, Vassell

Point Guards >>>> CP3, Trey Jones, Nunez next year

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDf9zPTmzo

[tonight...you]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDf9zPTmzo
9000th post.
Congrats

[NickiRasgo]

Thank you cutewizard for always showing the power of YouTube
No idea what the site is all about until you posted it

[rjv]

someone's off his meds again.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They can't give LaVine away right now. How would you get assets for him.

Same thing happened with Chris Paul and Westbrook. OKC has built the biggest war chest in the league with this strategy.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1831478031195762953

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1830769873678463288

[exstatic]

9000th post.
Congrats

And in only 90 threads…

[Ice009]

Same thing happened with Chris Paul and Westbrook. OKC has built the biggest war chest in the league with this strategy.

What do you mean the same thing happened? Didn't OKC get assets for Westbrook? Chicago can't get anything for Lavine. How is that the same thing?

[Ocotillo]

https://x.com/EtienneCatalan/status/1832101053116063937

Looks like Barlow is headed to Atlanta.

[scott]

Barlow: Stealth tank commander.

#CIAPop

[LeBowen]

Barlow: Stealth tank commander.

#CIAPop

He's going to injure Trae in practice, Hawks finish the season with 20 wins.

On a more serious note, hopefully he makes it, but I just don't see it.
Undersized non-shooter. Only works if you're a freak athlete, which he's not.

[KingKev]

Sounds like Ingram skipped mini camp down in New Orleans. I think he is one of many borderline stars who gets a rude awakening come free agency. I like his game tbh if he was nearer a Dejounte Murray or Devin Vassell type deal but max is just ludicrous.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1832399909560947133

[ace3g]

https://x.com/RealGM/status/1832449201135087964

[KingKev]

^ if you are going to play abroad Dubai is a nice option!!!

[Mr. Body]

What, is Dubai like a Grade Z tier franchise?

[LeBowen]

What, is Dubai like a Grade Z tier franchise?

They're joining Euroleague.
And will obviously pay their players way more than other teams.

Bertans might be the ultimate bag getter, tbh.

[KingKev]

What, is Dubai like a Grade Z tier franchise?

Bertans already made his bag. 250k to play basketball in paradise. He is dropping hot carls on all of us right now in life.

[exstatic]

Bertans already made his bag. 250k to play basketball in paradise. He is dropping hot carls on all of us right now in life.

Sorry. I don’t consider the Arabian peninsula to be paradise. There’s a thing about supercars being abandoned there. It’s very bad if you miss a payment, because you are subject to theft charges, and living under Sharia law. Dudes just drive them out into the desert, dump them and flee the country.

[LeBowen]

Jamal Murray got his 208/4 max.
Nuggets had no choice, lose-lose situation.
Kind of sad that Jokic never had an all-star teammate and casuals will take winning "only" one ring against him 10 to 20 years down the road.

They did win it all that year, but I'll never change my opinion that they should've packaged Jamal and MPJ for KD in 2022.

[CGD]

Jamal Murray is in that Devon Booker camp for me: just enough to look impressive from time to time, but in the end surprisingly underwhelming. Not LMA empty calories level, but def some overinflated stats.

[LeBowen]

Jamal Murray is in that Devon Booker camp for me: just enough to look impressive from time to time, but in the end surprisingly underwhelming. Not LMA empty calories level, but def some overinflated stats.

I'd say that Booker is clearly a level above.
28/5/5 on 49/35/95 in 53 playoff games.

Murray has 20/4/5 on 40/31/92 in 63 playoff games.
9% lower FG and 8ppg less. That's a huge difference and I don't really rate Booker, but he's a legit all-star, unlike Murray.

[Chinook]

Jamal Murray is in that Devon Booker camp for me: just enough to look impressive from time to time, but in the end surprisingly underwhelming. Not LMA empty calories level, but def some overinflated stats.

Aldridge was a clearly better player than Murray. You can simply look at their stats, and see LMA comes out on top -- even without adjusting for era. That's true whether you take both of their careers or limit Aldridge to just his first seven seasons. STers are way too deep into the weeds with their memes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1832524751396376857

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'd say that Booker is clearly a level above.
28/5/5 on 49/35/95 in 53 playoff games.

Murray has 20/4/5 on 40/31/92 in 63 playoff games.
9% lower FG and 8ppg less. That's a huge difference and I don't really rate Booker, but he's a legit all-star, unlike Murray.

These are not Murray’s stats. He’s one of the few players who raise their game and numbers across the board for the playoffs.

[LeBowen]

These are not Murray’s stats. He’s one of the few players who raise their game and numbers across the board for the playoffs.

My bad, read the wrong row. :downspin:
Anyhow, he's going to turn 28 this season with bubble and title run being his only consistent playoff appearances.
When you don't follow a team closely, you just see the highs, but most people ignore the lows.

Yes, he can win games by himself, but someone who goes missing so often and is injury prone isn't worth 50 million a year.
He's in that Klay category for me. Everyone instantly thinks of his best games and forgets about all the disappearing acts while franchise player is trying to carry.

Just my opinion, but I don't rate inconsistent players enough to think they're worthy of max deals.

[gambit1990]

I'd say that Booker is clearly a level above.
agree.

[Ignazzz]

I'd say that Booker is clearly a level above.
28/5/5 on 49/35/95 in 53 playoff games.

Murray has 20/4/5 on 40/31/92 in 63 playoff games.
9% lower FG and 8ppg less. That's a huge difference and I don't really rate Booker, but he's a legit all-star, unlike Murray.

no. Wrong data

24,2/5/6,2 & 46/39/91

[KingKev]

Sorry. I don’t consider the Arabian peninsula to be paradise. There’s a thing about supercars being abandoned there. It’s very bad if you miss a payment, because you are subject to theft charges, and living under Sharia law. Dudes just drive them out into the desert, dump them and flee the country.

Never been myself but know a few colleagues who work over there in banking and have a friend who is a Stewerdess for Emirates and they love it. If you have money Dubai is a great place to be for a few years. Clean, safe, great weather/beaches, shopping, restaurants etc. my understanding is most tourist hotels, private beach/social clubs aren’t as strict with regards to Sharia Law. As long as Davis isn’t out drunk holding his boyfriends hand in public he should be fine

[CGD]

Aldridge was a clearly better player than Murray. You can simply look at their stats, and see LMA comes out on top -- even without adjusting for era. That's true whether you take both of their careers or limit Aldridge to just his first seven seasons. STers are way too deep into the weeds with their memes.

That’s precisely the empty calories case in point about LMA. Tremendous stats, but mostly on Blazer teams that were at best perpetual first round cannon fodder.

It’s why I also distinguished Booker and Murray, who have made deep playoff runs.

[Chinook]

That’s precisely the empty calories case in point about LMA. Tremendous stats, but mostly on Blazer teams that were at best perpetual first round cannon fodder.

It’s why I also distinguished Booker and Murray, who have made deep playoff runs.
No. He was better and more impactful. The stats bear that out. That he didn't carry the Blazers to a title means nothing. Murray isn't the best player on his team, and Booker was had two All-Stars with him. Aldridge was most hurt by folks overrating Lillard, whose reputation to fat and happy off unearned good will. Truth be told, there are tiers of stars, and some players can not be franchise player while still being great. Calling that "empty calories" is really reductive. Aldridge has really good impact stats. He wasn't a guy who hard great box score numbers while his team performed better when he was on the bench.

It'd be like calling Wemby overrated because the Spurs won the same number of games with him than before him. Some folks try to pull this, and it's obviously wrong. It's wrong here too.

[spurraider21]

No. He was better and more impactful. The stats bear that out. That he didn't carry the Blazers to a title means nothing. Murray isn't the best player on his team, and Booker was had two All-Stars with him. Aldridge was most hurt by folks overrating Lillard, whose reputation to fat and happy off unearned good will. Truth be told, there are tiers of stars, and some players can not be franchise player while still being great. Calling that "empty calories" is really reductive. Aldridge has really good impact stats. He wasn't a guy who hard great box score numbers while his team performed better when he was on the bench.

It'd be like calling Wemby overrated because the Spurs won the same number of games with him than before him. Some folks try to pull this, and it's obviously wrong. It's wrong here too.
https://compote.slate.com/images/0ecd79ca-713e-46f7-a997-ca3097f04a42.jpeg?width=1200&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0

[KingKev]

Jamal Murray just signed a four year extension at max money. 4yr/208mm. Nuggets are really digging a hole for theirselves but he had all the leverage. He is a solid player but I’m really starting to see how good Jokic makes others around him versus how good the supporting cast of AG/MPJ/Murray actually are.

Also, Dejounte Murray’s recent extension has to be one of the best deals in the NBA by comparison.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

AJ Griffith is reportedly ready to "leave basketball". He was excited for a fresh start since he was traded from the Hawks to the Rockets but it looks like all parties are ready to move on.

I don't understand why he would want to walk away. I'm sure it's depressing that he had a bad year and that his path to playing time looks difficult but he can draw a few more paychecks, especially from contenders looking for inexpensive reclamation projects. Must be nice to be able to walk away from a few extra millions.

[KingKev]

AJ Griffith is reportedly ready to "leave basketball". He was excited for a fresh start since he was traded from the Hawks to the Rockets but it looks like all parties are ready to move on.

I don't understand why he would want to walk away. I'm sure it's depressing that he had a bad year and that his path to playing time looks difficult but he can draw a few more paychecks, especially from contenders looking for inexpensive reclamation projects. Must be nice to be able to walk away from a few extra millions.

He had another year guaranteed too damn wonder how that works. Between him and his dad they took home like 32mm guaranteed for a few years work lol

[exstatic]

AJ Griffith is reportedly ready to "leave basketball". He was excited for a fresh start since he was traded from the Hawks to the Rockets but it looks like all parties are ready to move on.

I don't understand why he would want to walk away. I'm sure it's depressing that he had a bad year and that his path to playing time looks difficult but he can draw a few more paychecks, especially from contenders looking for inexpensive reclamation projects. Must be nice to be able to walk away from a few extra millions.

There was some weirdness around him in his draft year. Attitude? He fell probably further than he should have as a legacy. They’re usually pretty good bets to make it in the NBA. Maybe some mental health issues? Maybe Houston told him his year 4 option wouldn’t be picked up before the season? I’d still collect that year 3 check, though.

[Mr. Body]

IIRC AJ Griffin and his dad, recent NBA coach Adrian Griffin, are hardcore, very vocal, and very off-putting Christians, like, "Going to a Beyonce concert is consorting with the devil" sorts of people.

[KingKev]

IIRC AJ Griffin and his dad, recent NBA coach Adrian Griffin, are hardcore, very vocal, and very off-putting Christians, like, "Going to a Beyonce concert is consorting with the devil" sorts of people.

Sounds like he got traded to the wrong Texas team in Houston lol

[Dex]

Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, and that's saying a lot:

https://i.redd.it/ozmg3cfoveod1.jpeg

[pookenstein]

Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, and that's saying a lot:

https://i.redd.it/ozmg3cfoveod1.jpeg

Wow. Just WOW!

[scott]

Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, and that's saying a lot:

https://i.redd.it/ozmg3cfoveod1.jpeg

This is obviously stupid, but I love that in this bizarro world of stupidity, Zach Collins refuses to give up his number to Lebron.

[quentin_compson]

Spurs say "No", obviously - Sochan is untouchable. :hat

[KingKev]

This is obviously stupid, but I love that in this bizarro world of stupidity, Zach Collins refuses to give up his number to Lebron.

But Vassell had to lol

[John B]

Maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, and that's saying a lot:

https://i.redd.it/ozmg3cfoveod1.jpeg

Stupid as may seem, this shows teams would potentially trade their best player for Wemby (in the exception perhaps of Jokic and Giannis). And it’s still hasn’t settled after a year already that Spurs has him.

[TekXX]

Of course they would trade old ass Lebron and overrated Reaves for Wemby, who wouldn't?

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Cocaine's a helluva drug...

[heyheymymy]

This is obviously stupid, but I love that in this bizarro world of stupidity, Zach Collins refuses to give up his number to Lebron.


But Vassell had to lol

haha and that 26 FRP is doing a lot of heavy lifting here lol plus it would be worthless in this scenario with getting Wemby

[heyheymymy]

Bron woud retire in like 1 year so it's Hollywood Honky Tonk plus an expiring DLo and a first for Wemby + Sochan lol

But the real deal breaker is no Bronny tbh imho. Lakers know what they have I suppose

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1834786391676375050

[spurraider21]

Koloko would be good competition for Bassey’s spot tbh

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1835023851115176051

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1835042672253583762

[Leetonidas]

Another year another random 7 footer the Lakers sign to eat minutes at C that will either be traded at the deadline or won't return next season