Evolution...?

[ChumpDumper]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory7.Author has bachelors degree in English Lit.


http://www.inquisitr.com/1504854/big-bang-theory-wrong-and-black-holes-dont-exist-scientists-say-the-math-doesnt-add-up/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2769156/Black-holes-NOT-exist-Big-Bang-Theory-wrong-claims-scientist-maths-prove-it.htmlRejected by peer reviewed scientific journal as noted above. Thanks for proving you didn't read any of this.

[ChumpDumper]

At what point does it dawn on you that you aren't wanted here? I don't even read you freak, ok? Dude, go away, go away....scram, go.......sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this one sick shit or what, damn!You missed a lot of good stuff, like where I pointed out you were making a fool of yourself about five times over.

[Avante]

You missed a lot of good stuff, like where I pointed out you were making a fool of yourself about five times over.

Look ya sick fuck, go away go away go away, nobody likes you ya fucking idiot, go away go away. I don't read you and never really have, you just get in everyones way. Dude have a little self respect, ok? GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start a thread faggot, stay out of everyone elses, ok asshole?

[ChumpDumper]

Look ya sick fuck, go away go away go away, nobody likes you ya fucking idiot, go away go away. I don't read you and never really have, you just get in everyones way. Dude have a litle self respect, ok? GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I can see why you would want to change the subject to me.

Your "argument" was the most shallow Google regurgitation I have ever seen.

Just another list.

[Avante]

I can see why you would want to change the subject to me.

Your "argument" was the most shallow Google regurgitation I have ever seen.

Just another list.

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!T here's really no need to meltdown, Avante.

We're just talking about science here -- well, I am anyway.

[Avante]

As we are seeing there are tons of articles and videos that shit all over THE BIG BANG.......why is that?

[Avante]

There's really no need to meltdown, Avante.

We're just talking about science here -- well, I am anyway.

Not an once of self respect, I pity you freak. Dude, I haven't read anything you've post here. I just know it will be stupid, that doesn't bother you at all, knowing I don't read you yet you follow me around, you really this fucked up? You are aren't ya? Dude, go bother others, ok? Maybe they will read you, I don't and won't be...ok faggot?

[ChumpDumper]

As we are seeing there are tons of articles and videos that shit all over THE BIG BANG.......why is that?They actually do nothing to the theory as none of it is science. Any dumbass can make a video and many dumbasses do.

Again, post a peer reviewed paper that contradicts the big bang theory and then we'll have something to talk about.

It's all you have to do.

Get to Googlin'.

[ChumpDumper]

Not an once of self respect, I pity you freak. Dude, I haven't read anything you've post here. I just know it will be stupid, that doesn't bother you at all, knowing I don't read you yet you follow me around, you really this fucked up? You are aren't ya? Dude, go bother others, ok? Maybe they will read you, I don't and won't be...ok faggot?I think enough other people will read our exchange to be quite entertained.

Totally worth it. I sure learned somethings about pseudoscience and its propagandists.

[Avante]

I have never in all my time doing this came across anyone as far gone as this freak. Almost 90.000 posts and it's all about seeing who he can bother, is that sad or want? No threads, nothing but......I BOTHERED YOU DIDN'T I, ADMIT IT!!!!!!!, I did.....YIPPEEEEEEE I BOTHERED SOMEBODY......as he cums all over himself, wow!!!!!!!!

Incest?

[ChumpDumper]

I have never in all my time doing this came across anyone as far gone as this freak. Almost 90.000 posts and it's all about seeing who he can bother, is that sad or want? No threads, nothing but......I BOTHERED YOU DIDN'T I, ADMIT IT!!!!!!!, I did.....YIPPEEEEEEE I BOTHERED SOMEBODY......as he cums all over himself, wow!!!!!!!!

Incest?Dude, I was talking about the topic you brought up.

Why make this about me?

[Avante]

Reminds me of a bitch I once knew, she wanted you to talk dirty to her, made her hot. The dirtier you talked the hotter she got, hahahaha!!!!!!! This little freak is just like that. he gets off on you calling him names and talking about his stupidity, he loves it. He wants to hear.....you sick shit.....makes him wet.

[ChumpDumper]

I admit it's funny watching you try to argue with a list of YouTube and copied Google links. I just wonder why you think that counts as a reasoned, coherent argument.

I don't understand the rage at this point -- unless you just realize you aren't coming off as very intelligent at this point and are eager to change the subject to anything other than what you dared us to discuss with you in the first place.

Is that really it?

[Avante]

Avante.....dude, I don't read you, ok?
ChumptyDumpty.....yakyakyakyakyakblahblahblahyakya kblah
Avante....I don't read you, ok?
ChumpthDumpty...yakyakyakyakyakyakyakblahblahblah
Avante...ah....hmmm?.....litle guy...I...don't...read...you...ok?
ChumptyDumpty.....blahblahblahyakyakyakyaskyak.
Avante:rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Well you've obviously read some of this. You quoted me several times.

Why even post here if you don't want to read any responses?

[Avante]

He's not going to go away is he? He simply doesn't care how sad it is to watch him follow me around knowing I don't read him. Who would want to do that? I'm guessing he has nobody and is lonely. Hmmmmmmmm....or maybe he really is a faggot, a queer and has a thing for me. That's it isn't it, a fucking fag.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, you proved you do read me earlier. I don't know why you think you can get away with saying you don't.

And as I said before, if you say you are going to ignore me, go ahead and really ignore me.

[Avante]

I've never seen anything like this, wow! So lonely he has to follow people around who wish he'd choke to death, sad.

[ChumpDumper]

I never have either tbh. I think you might make a comeback in the meltdown poll. I voted for you.

[Avante]

Ok it's time for my beauty sleep, no doubt I'll wake up tomorrow prettier than I was today.

As you all can see I trolled the boy bad, real bad, almost feel guilty it was that bad, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! And he'll be back tomorrow for more.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A little traveling music.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57-bBwiIsWU

[Huey Freeman]

Hey Avante

[mouse]

Author has bachelors degree in English Lit.

Rejected by peer reviewed scientific journal as noted above. Thanks for proving you didn't read any of this.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/scientists-just-proven-current-universe-shouldnt-exist-big-bang-true/

[mouse]

Author has bachelors degree in English Lit.


And Donald Trump has a bachlors degree in music whats your point?

You can't challenge the findings so you attack the messenger?

You and your Darwin salad tossers are thinning out each day as more and more "Scientist" dive off the Big Bang wagon.


Rejected by peer reviewed scientific journal as noted above.


Do you even know what "peer" even means? You think Scientist who have good paying jobs or represent a major College are going to go against what is already in the text books? get off your "peer" trip and just debunk our evidence.





Thanks for proving you didn't read any of this.

I don't have to read "old News" the Evolution debate ended years ago your side lost huge with the DNA code it's over and you can't comprehend it.

[boutons_deux]

New evidence on Neanderthal mixing

New research on a 45,000-year-old Siberian thighbone has narrowed the window of time when humans and Neanderthals interbred to between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago, and has shown that modern humans reached northern Eurasia substantially earlier than some scientists thought.

Carbon dating and molecular analysis filled in many of the blanks about the sample. Testing determined that the sample was from an individual who lived 45,000 years ago on a diet that included plants or plant eaters and fish or other aquatic life.

Reich and Fu said the sample was remarkable because of the extraordinary preservation of its DNA, which allowed Fu, using the latest techniques for ancient DNA analysis, to extract a high-quality genome sequence. The sequence, Reich said, is significantly higher in quality than most genome sequences of present-day people generated for analysis of disease risk.

Reich said the findings on mutation rate (http://phys.org/tags/mutation+rate/) have sweeping implications, and provide a basis for reinterpreting key dates in human prehistory. Instead of humans and Neanderthals becoming distinct offshoots sometime between 270,000 and 380,000 years ago, for example, the slower rate would put that shift much further back in time, between 550,000 and 770,000 years ago. Similarly, the slower rate pushes back estimates for the date of the separation of African and non-African populations.

"The slow mutation rates indicate that the present-day subdivisions among human populations date back to almost 200,000 years ago, well before the period around 50,000 years ago when the archaeological record documents art and new styles of toolmaking," Reich said.

"The implication is that the spread of modern human behavior must have been cultural, at least in part. Based on the genetic dates, it cannot be the case of a single population that developed modern human behavior spread all around the world replacing the other humans who already lived there."

http://phys.org/news/2014-10-evidence-neanderthal.html

[boutons_deux]

the Evolution debate ended years ago your side lost huge with the DNA code

:lol Mouse :lol

[mouse]

:lmao the electric universe
:lmao Two apes fucking

[mouse]

:lol Mouse :lol

Yes I will laugh at the misguided Igmos of the www so debunk my ass. Show the www the "Big Bang" is real. Post the evidence already.

[spurraider21]

:lmao Two apes fucking
You don't think apes fuck?

[mouse]

You don't think apes fuck?

Not until I saw you posting online, now I am a believer.

[RD2191]

:cryBut we evolved from fish millions of years ago:cry

[spurraider21]

Not until I saw you posting online, now I am a believer.
So how do you think apes reproduce?

[mouse]

The sad part is many of you low IQ posters that support Darwin think if you jump off the Big Bang bull shit wagon you automatically support "creation"

Not true. the facts show you don't!

You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better tasting.

There is a 3rd option..

[Brazil]

The sad part is many of you low IQ posters think if you jump off the Big Bang bull shit you support "creation" the truth is you don't!

You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better.

There is a 3rd option..

absolutely... the magic alien unicorn carrying a seed to earth... :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

The sad part is many of you low IQ posters think if you jump off the Big Bang bull shit you support "creation" the truth is you don't!

You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better.

There is a 3rd option..Yes, The Cult of YouTube.

[RandomGuy]

[redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

... Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments. Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.


So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.


Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!

This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.

http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Logical-Fallacies-strawman-620x391.jpg

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To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?



Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in hell it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?

Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?



[many non-answers]




Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

I will ask for a third time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[restates previously addressed concepts and questions]





Again, not really an answer.

For a forth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[semi-coherent response to other post]

Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

For a fifth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?

[Avante]

Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

When you can....prove....anything, that's different.

[ChumpDumper]

Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

When you can....prove....anything, that's different.lol you can't even understand what is being discussed

[spurraider21]

The sad part is many of you low IQ posters that support Darwin think if you jump off the Big Bang bull shit wagon you automatically support "creation"

Not true. the facts show you don't!

You can go against Evolution and not support the Bible or God it's been done, AD is the Sprite of sodas when Coke and Pepsi are to busy fighting on who's better tasting.

There is a 3rd option..
In your own words what is alternative design and how is it different than intelligent design

[Avante]

So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?

[ChumpDumper]

So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?Superstition.

[spurraider21]

So here we are and nobody has....proven....anything. Like I said, it's just which story do "you" prefer, that's all this is about with nobody being able to prove anything.

Most people don't buy the Big Bang/Evolution, why is that?
where is your link that says most people don't buy evolution?

[Avante]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/poll-americans-belief-god-strong-declining

[ChumpDumper]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/poll-americans-belief-god-strong-decliningSo if the next poll is over 50%, that will make your belief automatically wrong.

OK, I can wait for that inescapable wrongness to envelop you.

[spurraider21]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/poll-americans-belief-god-strong-declining
here's a more recent one with some interesting tidbits


Religiousness relates most strongly to these views, which is not surprising, given that this question deals directly with God's role in human origins. The percentage of Americans who accept the creationist viewpoint ranges from 69% among those who attend religious services weekly to 23% among those who seldom or never attend.



Educational attainment is also related to these attitudes, with belief in the creationist perspective dropping from 57% among Americans with no more than a high school education to less than half that (27%) among those with a college degree. Those with college degrees are, accordingly, much more likely to choose one of the two evolutionary explanations.
Younger Americans -- who are typically less religious than their elders -- are less likely to choose the creationist perspective than are older Americans. Americans aged 65 and older -- the most religious of any age group -- are most likely to choose the creationist perspective.



Sixty-four percent of those who are very familiar with the theory of evolution choose one of the two evolutionary explanations for the origin of humans, compared with 28% among the smaller group of Americans who report being not too or not at all familiar with it. The majority of those not familiar with evolution choose the creationist viewpoint

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/mh7klzb21ue_tb0a1h_86q.png

so plenty of people have a belief in a god AND evolution. overall, 58% of Americans believe there is evolution, regardless of god. 42% believe in full blown creation. and in general, people like yourself who dont have an understanding of evolution tend to be creationist, while those who actually are read up on the theory of evolution tend to support it. no surprises there

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

[ChumpDumper]

Numbers don't lie. Avante's belief is wrong.

[RandomGuy]

[redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

... Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments. Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.


So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.


Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!

This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.

http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Logical-Fallacies-strawman-620x391.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?



Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in hell it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?

Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?



[many non-answers]




Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

I will ask for a third time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[restates previously addressed concepts and questions]





Again, not really an answer.

For a forth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[semi-coherent response to other post]



Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

For a fifth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


Where are you trying to go with this, it isn't real obvious I don't buy the theory of evolution/BIG BANG...? So it doesn't matter about anything else.

When you can....prove....anything, that's different.

Such a simple question. You posted the link. I just wanted to know what you thought of it.

The only other guy who has a problem answering simple questions is the poor insane guy who thinks the moon landings were faked in a studio.

Maybe if I ask a sixth time.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?

[mouse]

Yes, The Cult of YouTube.


Blue Oyster was another cult............. whats your point?


when are you going to just Debunk my research so we can move on?

[mouse]

where is your link that says most people don't buy evolution?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7

[ChumpDumper]

Blue Oyster was another cult............. whats your point?


when are you going to just Debunk my research so we can move on?You have posted no research.

[mouse]

You have posted no research.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)

[xmas1997]

Blue Oyster was another cult............. whats your point?


when are you going to just Debunk my research so we can move on?

:lmao


You have posted no research.

Further proof you can't take a joke, nor know what one is!

No surprise!

:lmao

[spurraider21]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)
you need to expand your photobucket. you've posted this before, and i've already explained everything wrong with it

[xmas1997]

:cryBut we evolved from fish millions of years ago:cry

About the only thing any one say with certitude is that we evolved.

From what? The jury is still out on that question IMHO.

[spurraider21]

About the only thing any one say with certitude is that we evolved.

From what? The jury is still out on that question IMHO.
If it's certain that we evolved, and it's certain that animal life originated in the sea, you can do the math

[xmas1997]

If it's certain that we evolved, and it's certain that animal life originated in the sea, you can do the math

Yes, I understand where you're coming from, but "certitude" is central to any discussion or debate on these theories IMHO.

We can make predictions based on evidence, but in the final analysis they are still predictions, and many predictions have been proven to be wrong over time or through and with later evidence.

[Avante]

You cannot believe in the God of the Bible and evolution. It just won't work.

[xmas1997]

You cannot believe in the God of the Bible and evolution. It just won't work.

I, for one, have never felt that we understood God, much less the God of the Bible.
My contention all along has been that God is not understandable using our limited human capacity.
We might catch tiny glimpses of understanding, but nothing in the totality.
It would maybe be similar to an ant attempting to understand humans IMHO.

[Silver&Black]

You cannot believe in the God of the Bible and evolution. It just won't work.

Yes....you can. Well I do at least. Go look at a remote island in the middle of the ocean....they have animals there that are unlike any others found on the mainland. It's because they have evolved differently there.

I also believe that God created Man. Guess I'm living proof that you can believe in both.....

[Avante]

I, for one, have never felt that we understood God, much less the God of the Bible.
My contention all along has been that God is not understandable using our limited human capacity.
We might catch tiny glimpses of understanding, but nothing in the totality.
It would maybe be similar to an ant attempting to understand humans IMHO.

I think what has happened is we simply can't grasp the concept that we have finally encountered something we can't explain so we invent ways to not let that happen.

[Avante]

Yes....you can. Well I do at least. Go look at a remote island in the middle of the ocean....they have animals there that are unlike any others found on the mainland. It's because they have evolved differently there.

I also believe that God created Man. Guess I'm living proof that you can believe in both.....

What about......it took Him six days and..... now add the Adam & Eve story. Then there was Noah and the arc, how can you have that and little fishies?

[xmas1997]

Yes....you can. Well I do at least. Go look at a remote island in the middle of the ocean....they have animals there that are unlike any others found on the mainland. It's because they have evolved differently there.

I also believe that God created Man. Guess I'm living proof that you can believe in both.....

I don't think this is a preposterous notion at all. But I am probably in the minority on this site when it comes to that. My contention is that it is not replicable.

[xmas1997]

What about......it took Him six days and..... now add the Adam & Eve story. Then there was Noah and the arc, how can you have that and little fishies?

Lets not neglect Jonah and the whale, etc.

All allegory IMHO.

[spurraider21]

I think what has happened is we simply can't grasp the concept that we have finally encountered something we can't explain so we invent ways to not let that happen.
Yes this is precisely why man invented the idea of god. Because they couldn't explain things so they made up a deity as an end all be all answer

[spurraider21]

Yes, I understand where you're coming from, but "certitude" is central to any discussion or debate on these theories IMHO.

We can make predictions based on evidence, but in the final analysis they are still predictions, and many predictions have been proven to be wrong over time or through and with later evidence.
And many have held up for centuries. It's called progress as opposed to not thinking just because you may end up wrong

[xmas1997]

Yes this is precisely why man invented the idea of god. Because they couldn't explain things so they made up a deity as an end all be all answer


And many have held up for centuries. It's called progress as opposed to not thinking just because you may end up wrong

And I do not disagree with you on either point.

Rather I "add" to it by saying simply that we still do not know in all certitude/

[Silver&Black]

What about......it took Him six days and..... now add the Adam & Eve story. Then there was Noah and the arc, how can you have that and little fishies?

I believe that animals have evolved...not humans. No evidence of a 1/2 ape, 1/2 human has ever been found. When that day comes...I might have to reconsider some things. Until then...I'll stick with my belief that God created Man.

[xmas1997]

I believe that animals have evolved...not humans. No evidence of a 1/2 ape, 1/2 human has ever been found. When that day comes...I might have to reconsider some things. Until then...I'll stick with my belief that God created Man.

And I, for one, do not blame you one bit.

[Silver&Black]

And I, for one, do not blame you one bit.

Well I've said it on this thread already...no side can prove 100% that their side is correct.

Yeah the "little fishies" thing is hard to believe for some...and Yeah the "Adam's rib" story is hard to believe for others. It's a no-win situation. People choose to believe what they want to...I just hate it when one side calls the other side stupid for believing what they believe. All of it is kinda weird imo. Believing in God has worked for me for 30 years...and I don't see stopping anytime soon. Gave me a beautiful wife, a beautiful/healthy son, and a beautiful/healthy daughter. What more can I ask for...???

[Silver&Black]

Oooooooh Yeah.....proof that there is a God.

Mississippi State is #1 in the country....:lmao.

It only took thirty years of praying...but he finally answered.

[xmas1997]

Well I've said it on this thread already...no side can prove 100% that their side is correct.

Yeah the "little fishies" thing is hard to believe for some...and Yeah the "Adam's rib" story is hard to believe for others. It's a no-win situation. People choose to believe what they want to...I just hate it when one side calls the other side stupid for believing what they believe. All of it is kinda weird imo. Believing in God has worked for me for 30 years...and I don't see stopping anytime soon. Gave me a beautiful wife, a beautiful/healthy son, and a beautiful/healthy daughter. What more can I ask for...???

More power to you for staying objective.



Oooooooh Yeah.....proof that there is a God.
Mississippi State is #1 in the country....:lmao.
It only took thirty years of praying...but he finally answered.

:lmao

I sincerely doubt God takes sides tbqh.

[Silver&Black]

I sincerely doubt God takes sides tbqh.

It was a lame attempt at a joke....I know. I don't pray for my teams to win. There are waaay more important things in this world I know.

[xmas1997]

It was a lame attempt at a joke....I know. I don't pray for my teams to win. There are waaay more important things in this world I know.

It was funny even though a little bit lame, but I don't think there is anything wrong with praying for your team to win.

I just doubt God plays sides is all.

[spurraider21]

I believe that animals have evolved...not humans. No evidence of a 1/2 ape, 1/2 human has ever been found. When that day comes...I might have to reconsider some things. Until then...I'll stick with my belief that God created Man.
http://picardfacepalm.com/picard-facepalm-hotlink.jpg

[xmas1997]

http://picardfacepalm.com/picard-facepalm-hotlink.jpg

I have to admit, that is funny!

:lmao

[spurraider21]

this continues to support the study that people who don't have an understanding of evolution are likely to reject it

[xmas1997]

this continues to support the study that people who don't have an understanding of evolution are likely to reject it

I think there are more who reject it that even includes scientists IMHO, not that I do, but I also believe in God.

[spurraider21]

I think there are more who reject it that even includes scientists IMHO, not that I do, but I also believe in God.
its a likelihood, not a definitive. correlation, not causation.

people who have a misunderstanding of evolution are quite likely to reject it. they expect there to either be a bigfoot type creature, or that an ape on day gave birth to a modern human, or something ridiculous of the sort, and so naturally they reject it.

those who study the theory enough to where they get a firm understanding tend to see how it lines up with the facts

[Silver&Black]

this continues to support the study that people who don't have an understanding of evolution are likely to reject it

And I guess you're an "expert" on the field....

[Silver&Black]

What proof do you have that God doesn't exist spurraider21?????

[spurraider21]

What proof do you have that God doesn't exist spurraider21?????
what proof do you have that red/blue polkadot unicorns don't exist?

[spurraider21]

And I guess you're an "expert" on the field....
where did i say that?

[xmas1997]

What proof do you have that God doesn't exist spurraider21?????

Even though I happen to think this is a valid question, debaters would reject it due to it being a negative premise if I am not mistaken.

And thus the burden of proof rests upon the one making the conclusion, in this case "that God exists".

However some would argue that the burden of proof rests upon the FIRST one making ANY claim, either positive or negative.

[spurraider21]

Even though I happen to think this is a valid question, debaters would reject it due to it being a negative premise if I am not mistaken.

And thus the burden of proof rests upon the one making the conclusion, in this case "that God exists".

However some would argue that the burden of proof rests upon the FIRST one making ANY claim, either positive or negative.
burden of proof lies upon those making the claim. otherwise people can ask ridiculous questions like the one i died about polkadot covered unicorns.

but that doesn't mean there aren't two sides to the coin.

first of all, regardless of the burden of proof being on the theist's side and proof not existing, that's not to say their conclusion is wrong... its just without merit.

and there are some like chinook who argue that having a god is the default position and saying there is no god IS the claim that requires proof. i personally don't buy it, but its arguable

[Silver&Black]

where did i say that?

"those who study the theory enough to where they get a firm understanding tend to see how it lines up with the facts"

Again...this is a no-win situation. No amount of back and forth will ever make you or me believe that the other side is correct. No matter how much you research the evolution of man side...I still don't believe it. You could spend the next 50 years of your life trying to persuade me otherwise...it still isn't going to be enough.

And the 1/2 man 1/2 ape comment was prob a little much...I'll give you that. I'm not saying that because "Bigfoot" hasn't been found...that is why I believe God created Man. You know what I mean. If it takes millions of years for Man to evolve...there should be countless variations of man buried in the Earth. I mean with the same species of fish....countless differents types have been found. Same with sharks, alligators, etc. (Basically any pre-historic animal) For all the digging man has done for thousands of years....we still haven't found anything remotely close to a man/ape hybrid. How come??? Maybe man didn't evolve from a fish to an ape to modern man. It's a pretty good arguement imo.....call me uneducated or I haven't done enough research if you want. People of mine and your ilk are pretty set in stone on this arguement....

[xmas1997]

burden of proof lies upon those making the claim. otherwise people can ask ridiculous questions like the one i died about polkadot covered unicorns.

but that doesn't mean there aren't two sides to the coin.

first of all, regardless of the burden of proof being on the theist's side and proof not existing, that's not to say their conclusion is wrong... its just without merit.

and there are some like chinook who argue that having a god is the default position and saying there is no god IS the claim that requires proof. i personally don't buy it, but its arguable

Yes, I have read his debates.

But in school we debated issues like this and it was usually the one who made the claim first who had the burden of proof.

Maybe things have changed since then, but I doubt they changed that much.

Anyway, I understand your point about "merit".

[spurraider21]

"those who study the theory enough to where they get a firm understanding tend to see how it lines up with the facts"

Again...this is a no-win situation. No amount of back and forth will ever make you or me believe that the other side is correct. No matter how much you research the evolution of man side...I still don't believe it. You could spend the next 50 years of your life trying to persuade me otherwise...it still isn't going to be enough.

And the 1/2 man 1/2 ape comment was prob a little much...I'll give you that. I'm not saying that because "Bigfoot" hasn't been found...that is why I believe God created Man. You know what I mean. If it takes millions of years for Man to evolve...there should be countless variations of man buried in the Earth. I mean with the same species of fish....countless differents types have been found. Same with sharks, alligators, etc. (Basically any pre-historic animal) For all the digging man has done for thousands of years....we still haven't found anything remotely close to a man/ape hybrid. How come??? Maybe man didn't evolve from a fish to an ape to modern man. It's a pretty good arguement imo.....call me uneducated or I haven't done enough research if you want. People of mine and your ilk are pretty set in stone on this arguement....
saying i've studied evolution doesn't mean i'm an expert. i've also taken studied chemistry extensively but i wouldn't call myself an expert.

saying that no amount of evidence will sway your view is archaic and backwards

there are many variations of man buried in the earth, just look up hominid fossils

[Silver&Black]

saying i've studied evolution doesn't mean i'm an expert. i've also taken studied chemistry extensively but i wouldn't call myself an expert.

saying that no amount of evidence will sway your view is archaic and backwards

there are many variations of man buried in the earth, just look up hominid fossils

If i spent the next 50 years trying to argue my creationism ideals....would you change your mind? Prob not. I of course, will never have any proof of the existance of God.

It's the same thing....just because I say that I won't change my mind doesn't make me archaic or backwards. It's who I am...It's what I believe. If I believe that an omnipotent all-powerful being created the universe and Man...I will never had a shred of evidence to offer you. Just because I don't have this evidence...you won't even consider my side is correct???

Dude...like I've said a million times...you can believe whatever you want to. No concrete proof of the big bang, evolution, polkadot unicorns, Bigfoot, or God has ever been found. That doesn't mean one side is more correct or even plausible than the other.

Some genius could spend his whole life and write a mathematical formula, prob a very simple 1st or 2nd order linear differential equation (because the simplest equations are normally the most accurate ones) on a chalk/whiteboard that he believes proves the existance of a big bang theory. 5 minutes later some other genius will come back and say he doesn't believe it to be true. This will go on for the next 10,000 years....

[xmas1997]

If i spent the next 50 years trying to argue my creationism ideals....would you change your mind? Prob not. I of course, will never have any proof of the existance of God.

It's the same thing....just because I say that I won't change my mind doesn't make me archaic or backwards. It's who I am...It's what I believe. If I believe that an omnipotent all-powerful being created the universe and Man...I will never had a shred of evidence to offer you. Just because I don't have this evidence...you won't even consider my side is correct???

Dude...like I've said a million times...you can believe whatever you want to. No concrete proof of the big bang, evolution, polkadot unicorns, Bigfoot, or God has ever been found. That doesn't mean one side is more correct or even plausible than the other.

Some genius could spend his whole life and write a mathematical formula, prob a very simple 1st or 2nd order linear differential equation (because the simplest equations are normally the most accurate ones) on a chalk/whiteboard that he believes proves the existance of a big bang theory. 5 minutes later some other genius will come back and say he doesn't believe it to be true. This will go on for the next 10,000 years....

Actually it will go on until someone offers "inconvertible" proof either way.

[spurraider21]

If i spent the next 50 years trying to argue my creationism ideals....would you change your mind? Prob not. I of course, will never have any proof of the existance of God.
therein lies the difference. if i was ever presented with proof of a god, it would surely alter my beliefs. that's called being rational


It's the same thing....just because I say that I won't change my mind doesn't make me archaic or backwards. It's who I am...It's what I believe. If I believe that an omnipotent all-powerful being created the universe and Man...I will never had a shred of evidence to offer you. Just because I don't have this evidence...you won't even consider my side is correct???
your belief is fine. but if there was definitive, indisputable evidence the contrary and you STILL held onto the beliefs, that would be very backwards


Dude...like I've said a million times...you can believe whatever you want to. No concrete proof of the big bang, evolution, polkadot unicorns, Bigfoot, or God has ever been found. That doesn't mean one side is more correct or even plausible than the other.
there is evidence of the big bang and evolution of species on earth. the only reason those theories exist is because of the evidence. the evidence came first, and the theories come after. that's how science works.


Some genius could spend his whole life and write a mathematical formula, prob a very simple 1st or 2nd order linear differential equation (because the simplest equations are normally the most accurate ones) on a chalk/whiteboard that he believes proves the existance of a big bang theory. 5 minutes later some other genius will come back and say he doesn't believe it to be true. This will go on for the next 10,000 years....
well, if the math is correct, its no longer about "believing it's true."

thats like somebody saying i don't believe that F=ma
that's being irrational

[Silver&Black]

The big bang theory is just that...a theory. It's now like the law of gravity or the law of thermodynamics, or the conservation of mass and energy laws. People way smarter than me and you debate this "theory".

Look spurraider...I can tell your a bright individual. I'm not saying that I don't believe you because you're not qualified to discuss the topic. You're obviously very knowledgeable. And you're right...I, like you, took several chemistry classes (organic chemistry blows btw)...and I would consider myself to still be a neophyte.

Basically...people will always disagree. How bout this...we agree to disagree. No harm, no foul.....

[spurraider21]

The big bang theory is just that...a theory. It's now like the law of gravity or the law of thermodynamics, or the conservation of mass and energy laws. People way smarter than me and you debate this "theory".
i think you meant to say theory of gravity

[Silver&Black]

i think you meant to say theory of gravity

Really dude....Really? Ok....omit the "law of gravity" part (Even though 99% of the world calls it a law including Newton). I guess we can get into a pissing contest about how objects with more mass attract objects with less mass now. I mean seriously are you that anal?

My entire point....It's called the Big Bang Theory....not the Big Bang Law.

[spurraider21]

Really dude....Really? Ok....omit the "law of gravity" part (Even though 99% of the world calls it a law including Newton). I guess we can get into a pissing contest about how objects with more mass attract objects with less mass now. I mean seriously are you that anal?

My entire point....It's called the Big Bang Theory....not the Big Bang Law.
newton's laws of gravity only apply to small masses, and fail when you get to stars and massive objects, so dont take the "laws of gravity" so literally

do you know what the difference is between a scientific law and scientific theory?

[Silver&Black]

newton's laws of gravity only apply to small masses, and fail when you get to stars and massive objects, so dont take the "laws of gravity" so literally

do you know what the difference is between a scientific law and scientific theory?

yeah...i've googled it before. That pretty much makes me an expert on the topic.......

[spurraider21]

yeah...i've googled it before. That pretty much makes me an expert on the topic.......
so what is the difference between scientific law and scientific theory

[Silver&Black]

so what is the difference between scientific law and scientific theory

Why are you asking me....I've already told you...I'm the expert on this topic. I've googled it before....

[spurraider21]

aaaaand we've reached THAT part of the discussion. arite man i'm out

:bobo

[Silver&Black]

aaaaand we've reached THAT part of the discussion. arite man i'm out

:bobo

Thank God....I'm tired of being talked to like a child. "What's the difference between a scientific law and a scientific theory?" Every elementary school kid in the country learns this when they take their very first physical science class........

[Avante]

Nobody has ever proven anything about this, yep...theories. Most people on earth and who have lived on the planet believed in some God, religious beliefs being huge. Look at our money.....In God We Trust. It's....One Nation Under God. It's.....So Help Me God. While I don't buy the God of the Bible I do buy something/someone was responsibe as oppossed to.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way too many complexities to have a.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....as the explanation.

It is funny watching how hard some try to sell what they believe especially since noboody is buying it.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody has ever proven anything about this, yep...theories. Most people on earth and who have lived on the planet believed in some God, religious beliefs being huge. Look at our money.....In God We Trust. It's....One Nation Under God. It's.....So Help Me God. While I don't buy the God of the Bible I do buy something/someone was responsibe as oppossed to.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way too many complexities to have a.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....as the explanation.

It is funny watching how hard some try to sell what they believe especially since noboody is buying it.You've already been showed evidence of people's buying it.

[SupremeGuy]

newton's laws of gravity only apply to small masses, and fail when you get to stars and massive objects, so dont take the "laws of gravity" so literally

do you know what the difference is between a scientific law and scientific theory?I'm high as fuck but I think you have that backwards. The science breaks down when you have small but highly massive particles. Like black holes and shit.

[spurraider21]

I'm high as fuck but I think you have that backwards. The science breaks down when you have small but highly massive particles. Like black holes and shit.
it fails at both the molecular level as well, but also for massive objects. when they applied newton's law of gravity to measure Mercury's orbit around the sun, it kept getting incorrect results... so much so that scientists (trying to make newton's laws work) postulated that there was a planet in our solar system we hadn't discovered yet, in between mercury and the sun, who's gravitational pull was changing mercury's orbit. einstein's improvements on newtons laws through the theory of relativity was able to account for mercury's orbit without needing to "invent" a new planet. when something was too close to an object too massive (as mercury was to the sun), newton's laws fail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet)

[spurraider21]

newton's laws actually are the reason we discovered neptune as soon as we did, with the same reasoning. before we discovered neptune, scientists using newton's laws realized that uranus had an odd orbit, and they guessed there was another nearby source of gravity that was affecting it. with some ridiculously complicated reverse calculations, they were able to "track" this proposed source of gravity and knew exactly where/when to look with powerful telescopes... and vuala... they spotted neptune, a new planet

but going back to the first example, we saw his laws fail when dealing with a planet too close to the sun

[SupremeGuy]

The physics between super large and super small masses is what leads to shitty math. Because, a super large object obeys Newton's laws, but a super small object obeys quantum mechanics. The math gets ugly when super large objects collapse upon themselves to form super small objects; ie, black holes.

[spurraider21]

or you can read what i just wrote which gave a great example of how newtons laws fail with super large objects

[mouse]

My entire point....It's called the "Big Bang Theory"....not the Big Bang Law.


Until it's called "Big Bang fact" how about keeping it the Science fiction section of the school textbooks.

[Agloco]

Until it's called "Big Bang fact" how about keeping it the Science fiction section of the school textbooks.

Aye, just like creationism.

[mouse]

Aye, just like creationism.

I don't support creation ,the bible,or Evolution please make a note of it since you can't seem to remember. (or choose not to)

[spurraider21]

I don't support creation ,the bible,or Evolution please make a note of it since you can't seem to remember. (or choose not to)
what is the difference between alternative design and intelligent design?

and how is your view any different than creationism since you dont believe in evolution?

[mouse]

what is the difference between alternative design and intelligent design?

Intelligent Design supports the theory of a designer.

Alternative Design supports the facts that complicated DNA codes and mathematical patterns found in the universe are not random.

Any theory that that doesn't support Creation or Evolution is an Alternative.

It gives intelligent humans a different way to think outside the box and not have only believe is a bearded man in the sky or two dogs having sex to explain their existence.

[spurraider21]

Intelligent Design supports the theory of a designer.

Alternative Design supports the facts that complicated DNA codes and mathematical patterns found in the universe are not random.
why use the word Design if there is no claim for a designer?

[mouse]

why use the word Design if there is no claim for a designer?

Because a designer often is called a creator and that leads to people calling you a creationist.

And was the result on it being removed from the classroom.

A semi intelligent human that lives on an island and knows nothing about Darwin or the bible knows enough to see designs all around him.

Why should that person have to buy into the bullshit others believe in?

[spurraider21]

Because a designer often is called a creator and that leads to people calling you a creationist.

And was the result on it being removed from the class room.
ok so regardless of the creator/designer label, alternative design does call for a designer. i still fail to see how that's different than intelligent design

[mouse]

ok so regardless of the creator/designer label, alternative design does call for a designer.

says who?


i still fail to see how that's different than intelligent design


I knew you would probably not get it.

[spurraider21]

so you call it alternative design, yet you don't assume the existence of a designer?

[mouse]

so you call it alternative design, yet you don't assume the existence of a designer?


Is it difficult comprehend?


Besides Evolutionist don't claim a designer but admit the complexity of DNA the solar system. They just try not to talk about.

Just like the golden ratio PHI RATIO 1.618


http://www.webdesignstuff.co.uk/mj248/files/2012/01/golden-ratio1.jpeg

[mouse]

You claim to be educated and have knowledge in math and you never bring up numbers that prove a pattern or design why?

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[spurraider21]

Is it difficult comprehend?
actually, yes. if you aren't claiming a designer or creator of any sort, how did the species of earth all come to be, without evolution? how did the animals get here if not for a designer and if not for evolution...

[mouse]

It doesn't matter AD supporters really don't care. Only the insecure misinformed individuals need some sort of reason or explanation how and why they are here.

[spurraider21]

How can you say "it doesn't matter"

you clearly don't buy into evolution. When I ask your opinion you just say "AD." When I ask what AD claims on the issue, you say it doesn't matter.

Please. If you aren't claiming a designer, then alternative design is horrible wording

[mouse]

Your entitled to your opionions .



Like I said earlier only a select few can.
grasp the true meaning.

[spurraider21]

Yeah ur just running in circles. You claim design without a designer

[RandomGuy]

[redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.
[redacted for brevity]



So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm


Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all. [listed one example]

To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.

Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?






Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[many non-answers]




Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

[B]You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

I will ask for a third time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[restates previously addressed concepts and questions]




Again, not really an answer.
For a forth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[semi-coherent response to other post]



Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

For a fifth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[big bang theory ].


Such a simple question. You posted the link. I just wanted to know what you thought of it.

The only other guy who has a problem answering simple questions is the poor insane guy who thinks the moon landings were faked in a studio.

Maybe if I ask a sixth time.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[more bullshit non-answers].

Can't even answer a simple question.

Its almost like you were ignoring it.

I wonder what that reason is.
Maybe the seventh time is the charm.

Do you think you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?

[Avante]

A NEW RECORD 80 pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I've had a lot of 20-40 page threads and a couple ove 60, never ....80!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to think all of you who made this monumental moment possible, you know who you are. So.....thank you



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M








:lobt2:

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Avante]

:lmao:lmao:lmao


It really is amazing isn't it Big Dawg, you tell them....I'm going to smack ya right in your face, then they stick their chin out, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Then..THEN...while laying there, it's....if I get back up, will ya do it again?

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!:downspin:

[silverblk mystix]

It really is amazing isn't it Big Dawg, you tell them....I'm going to smack ya right in your face, then they stick their chin out, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!



Sprung people can't help getting themselves sprung!



:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Avante]

Sprung people can't help getting themselves sprung!



:lmao:lmao:lmao

It's pretty obvious if the big war came and all that was left was Spurtalk, you, me and Glen would have a lot of people working for us, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[mouse]

Yeah ur just running in circles. You claim design without a designer

I understand your frustration The pilgrims had a hard time trying to explain what a bar of soap was to the Indians

[spurraider21]

I understand your frustration The pilgrims had a hard time trying to explain what a bar of soap was to the Indians
either humans were planted here or they evolved

[mouse]

either humans were planted here or they evolved

Then I suggest you find a Creationist and start a debate.


Your entitled to your opionions. Don't worry I will point out any half truths and lies if I read them.

[spurraider21]

Then I suggest you find a Creationist and start a debate.


Your entitled to your opionions. Don't worry I will point out any half truths and lies if I read them.
yeah yeah... ur just not making any points so there's no interest in having a discussion anyway.

[mouse]

yeah yeah... ur just not making any points so there's no interest in having a discussion anyway.

For someone who claims to have a vast knowledge and above average math skills your reading performance seems below average.


Your entitled to your opionions .
Like I said earlier only a select few can.
grasp the true meaning.

[spurraider21]

yeah yeah. it was all designed, but not by a designer. got it :tu

[Avante]

BANG//////%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%....

the earth is the perfect distance from the sun
we rotate at the exact speed we need
nutrients in the soil
rain
the seasons

all those having to work in perfect concert came from.....BANG@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Haahahaha!!!!!!!!

[mouse]

yeah yeah. it was all designed, but not by a designer. got it :tu


I said there "is a Design" not "it was Designed" clean out that meth pipe of the shit uncle Joe made in his moms/aunts basement and wait for the shit from Mexico comes to town and then maybe you can read what I post instead of assuming what I post.


Back on topic.......


[b]80 pages and still no proof of Evolution

[mouse]

yeah yeah.. got it :tu

I don't think you do.

[ChumpDumper]

BANG//////%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%....

the earth is the perfect distance from the sun
we rotate at the exact speed we need
nutrients in the soil
rain
the seasons

all those having to work in perfect concert came from.....BANG@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Haahahaha!!!!!!!!Sure, why not?

[spurraider21]

I said there "is a Design" not "it was Designed"
ok, so if it wasn't designed (and ergo there is no designer), how did human life arise on earth after the other animals. we all know dinosaurs predate humans. so what's your theory on humans mystically arriving on earth after the fact?

[mouse]

ok, so if it wasn't designed (and ergo there is no designer),

Dude if you took a shit after two nights of taco bell and your shit just happened to be in the shape of a Nazi swastika are you going to say you Designed it?




how did human life arise on earth after the other animals. we all know dinosaurs predate humans. so what's your theory on humans mystically arriving on earth after the fact?


Again with the questions ....like I said earlier AD doesn't really give a shit about when. where, and how, we got here ....we rather use this time on the planet to be successful and die happy but we do have our "theories" and I can give you mine after you admit your now on the fence about this Universe from nothing bullshit in the school textbooks and you need answers.

At MIT we did reverse engineering and I used that same principle on The Universe and false prophets like Darwin and Science professors.

To this day I haven't received an email or invitation to debate the subject live and I can understand why who wants to lose a debate live in front of MIT students?

on basic topics like how do you get complex DNA from "nothing"


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/files/2012/04/a-universe-from-nothing1.jpg

[Avante]

To nobody in particular....


Ok....

Science has proven without a doubt that we all evolved from a lower life form and it was...BANG!!!!!!!... that started everything. Only fools believe in a superior being/God.

Right?

[spurraider21]

Dude if you took a shit after two nights of taco bell and your shit just happened to be in the shape of a Nazi swastika are you going to say you Designed it?
so are you suggesting that this super duper complex DNA was an accident? you seem adamant in that DNA couldn't just be an accident because of how complex it is. therefore something must have designed it

[mouse]

so are you suggesting that this super duper complex DNA was an accident? you seem adamant in that DNA couldn't just be an accident because of how complex it is. therefore something must have designed it

I was saying you just happened to take a shit how did you design it?

[spurraider21]

I was saying you just happened to take a shit how did you design it?
so you are comparing the amazing complexity of DNA to shit taking a certain shape? if thats the case then yeah DNA could totally be a random accident

[mouse]

so you are comparing the amazing complexity of DNA to shit taking a certain shape? if thats the case then yeah DNA could totally be a random accident

In order to try and educate you, yes I sometimes have to lower the IQ bar and find that one worth while misguided person who was lied to by public education.

Your sorta like that one black ghetto kid all non black people want to someday save.

I get a warm sensation knowing your mind has one more level and I was able to show it to you. Don't you like knowing your receiving Intelligent feedback and your not even paying for it?

[spurraider21]

In order to try and educate you, yes I sometimes have to lower the IQ bar and find that one worth while misguided person who was lied to by public education.

Your sorta like that one black ghetto kid all non black people want to someday save.

I get a warm sensation knowing your mind has one more level and I was able to show it to you. Don't you like knowing your receiving Intelligent feedback and your not even paying for it?
you didn't answer my question

[Brazil]

At MIT we

:lmao

sure...

[RandomGuy]

[redacted for brevity, not central to ultimate point-RG]

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.
[redacted for brevity]



So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm


Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all. [listed one example]

To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.

Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?






Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[many non-answers]




Again, I don't see it as a hard question.

[B]You said it was easy to find. I was wondering how much time you spent reading it or spend any time evaluating whether it was a good source.

I will ask for a third time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[restates previously addressed concepts and questions]




Again, not really an answer.
For a forth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[semi-coherent response to other post]



Again, still not an answer to my rather easy question.

It is almost as if you are purposefully ignoring it for some reason.

For a fifth time:

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[big bang theory ].


Such a simple question. You posted the link. I just wanted to know what you thought of it.

The only other guy who has a problem answering simple questions is the poor insane guy who thinks the moon landings were faked in a studio.

Maybe if I ask a sixth time.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[more bullshit non-answers].




Can't even answer a simple question.

Its almost like you were ignoring it.

I wonder what that reason is.
Maybe the seventh time is the charm.

Do you think you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?


[ego stroking epeen about the length of the thread]

So, no, you posted it as evidence, but even you think it sucks. Safe to assume that if you thought it was worthwhile, you would answer the question, or engage in the debate.

The above exchange is now enough to pretty much conclusively prove you are both lazy and dishonest. I will stop bothering with this thread at this time, as you have proven that you belong in the corner with Cosmored and his Apollo thread.

I will however, point to this post every time you start a thread as proof that you don't really give a shit about anything except your post count and length of threads.

Cosmored at least has the excuse of being arguably insane, you are just a fucking idiot. FWIW, his thread is hundreds of pages longer, sporto.

[Avante]

RandomGuy

Is there a God, not saying the God of the Bible, but some superior something responsible for all this? We'll go with...God....it's easier that way.

Well?

[ohmwrecker]

Mouse is God.

[spurraider21]

RandomGuy

Is there a God, not saying the God of the Bible, but some superior something responsible for all this? We'll go with...God....it's easier that way.

Well?
there is no need to make that assumption, is all

[mouse]

Mouse is God.


"all of us you and I are Godz...........Godz...............Godz....."

3:17/7:42

D-t4hU3hhc8

[Agloco]

I don't support creation ,the bible,or Evolution please make a note of it since you can't seem to remember. (or choose not to)

You equivocate so its difficult to surmise exactly where on the board you are. I seriously doubt you know either.

[mouse]

You equivocate so its difficult to surmise exactly where on the board you are. I seriously doubt you know either.

Another reason AD is growing in popularity no one wants to be "labeled" anymore just to satisfy someones curiosity and that is something you seem to be seeking with your postings.

[Agloco]

Another reason AD is growing in popularity no one wants to be "labeled" anymore just to satisfy someones curiosity and that is something you seem to be seeking with your postings.

If that were indeed true one would expect that you'd be chomping at the bit to clarify your position. Instead, we get more of the same shenanigans. Carry on.

[Agloco]

I said there "is a Design" not "it was Designed"

Basically we're asking about said design. You've not answered with anything of substance.

Who/what was the causative agent in your paradigm? Was it a sky daddy? Sentient quarks? A quantum fart? An ethereal being with too much TNT and time on its hands? <Shrug>

Just asking.

[spurraider21]

Another reason AD is growing in popularity no one wants to be "labeled" anymore just to satisfy someones curiosity and that is something you seem to be seeking with your postings.
link that its growing in popularity

[AussieFanKurt]

Pope Francis isn't a regular Pope. He's a cool Pope.

Case in point: the hero Catholicism needs questioned the veracity of creationism this week by publicly endorsing the legitimacy of science-based ideologies such as evolution and the Big Bang theory.

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said during an address delivered to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.”

He further argued that the veracity of those theories did nothing to dispel Christian beliefs on the genesis of the universe, saying that both could exist harmoniously.


“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it,” he continued. "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

[Avante]

there is no need to make that assumption, is all

So why do so many others disagree with you on this? Talking in the billions.

[spurraider21]

So why do so many others disagree with you on this? Talking in the billions.
billions disagree with you as well. public opinion doesn't change anything though. for a long time everybody thought the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth

[Avante]

billions disagree with you as well. public opinion doesn't change anything though. for a long time everybody thought the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth

I'm talking about today, how come so many "today" believe in some God?

[spurraider21]

I'm talking about today, how come so many "today" believe in some God?
because they're fed it as absolute fact throughout their childhood and are pressured to maintain it. when someboy says "i'm atheist" its almost perceived as evil in the states

[Avante]

because they're fed it as absolute fact throughout their childhood and are pressured to maintain it. when someboy says "i'm atheist" its almost perceived as evil in the states

So it has nothing to do with people simply feeling better about having faith in something beyond just this?

[spurraider21]

So it has nothing to do with people simply feeling better about having faith in something beyond just this?
i've talked to you ad nauseam about the whole "makes people feel better thing"

[Avante]

i've talked to you ad nauseam about the whole "makes people feel better thing"

The bottom line is real simple, most people who have lived on this planet "needed" a God in their life. Religious beliefs ....HUGE!!!!!!!!!! So it's pretty obvious this..."there is no God"...doesn't work in any society or culture. Would we elect an atheist as our president, of course not. Is the head of any country an atheist?

This need to...."well what does science say about things"....appears to mean next to nothing, people want that God so they have one.

[spurraider21]

The bottom line is real simple, most people who have lived on this planet "needed" a God in their life. Religious beliefs ....HUGE!!!!!!!!!! So it's pretty obvious this..."there is no God"...doesn't work in any society or culture. Would we elect an atheist as our president, of course not. Is the head of any country an atheist?

This need to...."well what does science say about things"....appears to mean next to nothing, people want that God so they have one.
like i've said over and over again, that's all very fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean a whole lot

[Avante]

like i've said over and over again, that's all very fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean a whole lot

I can see why you are like you are, tell an old woman or a young child that grandpa or that dog Rex aren't really going to heaven because.....their beliefs don't really mean a whole hell of a lot.

Dude, sheesh~!

[spurraider21]

I can see why you are like you are, tell an old woman or a young child that grandpa or that dog Rex aren't really going to heaven because.....their beliefs don't really mean a whole hell of a lot.

Dude, sheesh~!
warm and fuzzy feelings, feeling better inside, all that good stuff... has nothing to do with my point

[Avante]

warm and fuzzy feelings, feeling better inside, all that good stuff... has nothing to do with my point

Ok, getting back to those hard cold.....theories....hahahaha!!!!!!! Give me a room full of those who have some God in their life everyday of the week over a bunch of cold ...bah humbuggers...like you. I pity ya guy.

[spurraider21]

Ok, getting aback to those hard cold.....theories....hahahaha!!!!!!! Give me a room full of of who have some God in their life everyday of the week over a bunch of cold ...bah humbuggers...like you. I pity ya guy.
this is all irrelevant talk though, and has nothing to do with the topic

and this is all specific to the gods in the holy books... the god's that care about us and love us, not god in general

[Avante]

this is all irrelevant talk though, and has nothing to do with the topic

I'm the daddy of this thread slugger, I do what I want, besides you're boring. I'm noticing you have no sense of humor at all and are pretty robotic.

You....stick to topic, I need to stick to topic

like a fucking robot, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

I'm the daddy of this thread slugger, I do what I want, besides you're boring. I'm noticing you have no sense of humor at all and are pretty robotic.

You....stick to topic, I need to stick to topic

like a fucking robot, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
i have a sense of humor, i didn't know it was that type of thread :lol

we go from talking about evidence/proof to warm fuzzy feelings and thats where i lose interest

[Avante]

i have a sense of humor, i didn't know it was that type of thread :lol

we go from talking about evidence/proof to warm fuzzy feelings and thats where i lose interest

How can you only stick to one aspect of this? Obviously......evidence/proof....hasn't made a dent. There are billions of people who totally ignore....evidence/proof. They go with what's in their heart. And.....nothing has "really" been proven anyway.

[spurraider21]

There are billions of people who totally ignore....evidence/proof. They go with what's in their heart.
i'm aware, that's what bothers me the most when it comes to these discussions

[Avante]

i'm aware, that's what bothers me the most when it comes to these discussions

Why would you care?

[spurraider21]

Why would you care?
it affects people's judgment on several issues in ways that impact others. if certain folks had their way, schools would teach the bible and not science. if that was actually implemented, imagine the consequences it could have, slowing technological and medical advancement. it breeds less critical thinking about the world. it clouds people's judgment on social issues like gay marriage as well. things like that, mainly.

my beef isn't really with theism, its with religious institutions. unfortunately, they go hand in hand more often than not

[Avante]

it affects people's judgment on several issues in ways that impact others. if certain folks had their way, schools would teach the bible and not science. if that was actually implemented, imagine the consequences it could have, slowing technological and medical advancement. it breeds less critical thinking about the world. it clouds people's judgment on social issues like gay marriage as well. things like that, mainly.

my beef isn't really with theism, its with religious institutions. unfortunately, they go hand in hand more often than not

So the world would be far better off if God didn't get in the way, right? The hell with Churchs, Christmas, Easter, In God We Trust, One Nation Under God, I Swear To God......right? The hell with...Notre Dame, BYU, Dallas Baptist, Abilene Christian, TCU....right? The hell with prayer and we all know for a fact than when we leave this earth......worm food.....right? No Gospel Music....right?

[spurraider21]

So the world would be far better off if God didn't get in the way, right? The hell with Churchs, Christmas, Easter, In God We Trust, One Nation Under God, I Swear To God......right? The hell with...Notre Dame, BYU, Dallas Baptist, Abilene Christian, TCU....right? The hell with prayer and we all know for a fact than when we leave this earth......worm food.....right? No Gospel Music....right?
i literally JUST said in my previous post that my beef isn't with theism. in case you didn't understand, theism is the belief in a god

and if you think the bible is full of shit (as you've said more than once), then you would agree that churches (which basically steal money, don't pay taxes), prayers, and those religious schools are all obsolete. the fact that you keep bringing those up is why im not buying the "im not christian" shtick you keep going for

[Avante]

i literally JUST said in my previous post that my beef isn't with theism. in case you didn't understand, theism is the belief in a god

and if you think the bible is full of shit (as you've said more than once), then you would agree that churches (which basically steal money, don't pay taxes), prayers, and those religious schools are all obsolete. the fact that you keep bringing those up is why im not buying the "im not christian" shtick you keep going for

When does it ever hit that I'm probably better read than you are? Stop with this ridiculous....in case ya don't know....bullshit ok shorty? My point was it doesn't matter who you have a beef with (OBVIOUSLY) you can't have one without the other unless you want to fantazise.........let me guess, too complex for ya right simpleton?

Run all your bullshit by these guys, ok?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII


Little man, people are made of flesh and blood not nuts and bolts, ok slugger? They have emotions. They don't want....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....when they can have a loving God and His love. I respect that while having a little different opnion but it's closer to that than.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little girl....so will grandpa be at peace now?
Grandma...yes my dear, he is with God now and happy.
Little girl...good, I;m glad.

That sure beats the hell out of....

Little girl...so will grandpa be at peace now?
Grandma....he's dead dear
Little girl...yes, I know.

[spurraider21]

When does it ever hit that I'm probably better read than you are?
through our many long conversatoins there is nothing that would lead me to believe that. maybe you're better read when it comes to track and ancient football, and you know a ton more music than i do. trivia type stuff, you got me there


Stop with this ridiculous....in case ya don't know....bullshit ok shorty? My point was it doesn't matter who you have a beef with (OBVIOUSLY) you can't have one without the other unless you want to fantazise.........let me guess, too complex for ya right simpleton?
you can absolutely have one without the other. religion refers to the very specific stories in the holy books, the bible, the quran, the torah, etc. Theism is simply believing that there is a god type being who started the universe. Chinook has made it clear he is a theist but isn't religious

its a far cry from "figure that initiated the universe" to "being that created the universe, created the earth in 7 days, made man in his image, passed down 10 commandments, sent his son to earth, has heaven and hell, loves everybody." its quite a leap between these two steps.

but good to see the truth comes out. you used to say you believed in God but thought the bible was full of crap. but now you are saying you cant have god without religion. therefore you are calling yourself a christian (based on references to churches, gospel, "God's Not Dead").

[Avante]

Avid reader amigo, by the time I'd left HS I'd finished all that...

Dickens
Poe
Fitzgerald
Hemingway
Faulkner
London
Steinbeck
Lewis
Baldwin
Wright
Ellison

...stuff, ok?


I'm no Christian but live with one and grew up around them. The first thing ya notice is how far happier they are than non believers, it's obvious. I have no doubts 'something" far deeper than....BANG!...is responsible for all this, but unlike Christians I don't know what it was, while they do (they believe they do so they do).

But.....you do know nobody has ever .....ok man if you say so, I've changed my mind...on the internet, right? If you think you're better off without any hope or faith in anything other than....BANG!!!!!!!!!!.....cool~~~~~~

[ChumpDumper]

Oh look, a list.

[Avante]

Oh look, a list.

Oh look, a retard.

[ChumpDumper]

:cry

[Avante]

Oh look, a leech.

[ChumpDumper]

:madrun

[mouse]

If that were indeed true one would expect that you'd be chomping at the bit to clarify your position. Instead, we get more of the same shenanigans. Carry on.

I have done so in countless topics,debates,and discussions. And I try not to repeat myself unless I spot someone who truly wants to know more or has the metal capability to comprehend it. You are neither.

[spurraider21]

I have done so in countless topics,debates,and discussions. And I try not to repeat myself unless I spot someone who truly wants to know more or has the metal capability to comprehend it. You are neither.
you don't claim the existence of a creator/designer

you are an atheist

[mouse]

Basically we're asking about said design. You've not answered with anything of substance.

Who/what was the causative agent in your paradigm? Was it a sky daddy? Sentient quarks? A quantum fart? An ethereal being with too much TNT and time on its hands? <Shrug>

Just asking.


Again people with limited thinking are always going to ask the same questions and its frustration to those who don't suffer from limited thinking.

I'm sure if you read the countless Creation,Evolution, age of earth topics posted here at ST you will have most of the answers you seek.

or you can wait until I'm not at work posting from my phone if you wish to discuss it further.

[mouse]

you don't claim the existence of a creator/designer

you are an atheist

According to your limited mind, like I said you can't comprehend a third option which proves my previous posts. I rather try and teach a cat how to use Photoshop.

[ohmwrecker]

According to your limited mind, like I said you can't comprehend a third option which proves my previous posts. I rather try and teach a cat how to use Photoshop.

I thought your cat was making your photoshops.

[spurraider21]

According to your limited mind, like I said you can't comprehend a third option which proves my previous posts. I rather try and teach a cat how to use Photoshop.
its actually quite simple :lol... you either make a claim that there is a creator, or you don't make a claim that there is a creator. to this point you have refused to make that claim.

those who don't claim a creator are called atheits. so you're just an atheist that doesn't buy evolution. cool :tu

[mouse]

I thought your cat was making your photoshops.


According to some in here he Created them.

[mouse]

its actually quite simple :lol... you either make a claim that there is a creator, or you don't make a claim that there is a creator. to this point you have refused to make that claim.

those who don't claim a creator are called atheits. so you're just an atheist that doesn't buy evolution. cool :tu


Good to see you already had an answer to your questions which shows your not genuinely wanting to learn something just here to engage in conversation in hopes to impress others with your abundance of knowledge something I sensed from page one.

[spurraider21]

Good to see you already had an answer to your questions which shows your not genuinely wanting to learn something I sensed from page one.
correct me if i'm wrong.

i asked you earlier if AD claims a designer/creator. you said no

those who don't claim a creator/designer are atheists

[mouse]

correct me if i'm wrong.

i asked you earlier if AD claims a designer/creator. you said no

those who don't claim a creator/designer are atheists

your point being what?

[spurraider21]

your point being what?
if i'm not wrong in those two statements, you are an atheist.

if i am wrong, please let me know which of the two statements were false

[mouse]

if i'm not wrong in those two statements, you are an atheist.

In your mind maybe.




if i am wrong, please let me know which of the two statements were false

not sure if your talking about something I said or you posted so post exactly what statement your refereeing to this isn't the only forum I'm in right now.

[spurraider21]

In your mind maybe.
it's not about my mind. its about the positions you have taken.

you don't claim there is a creator/designer. that is an atheistic position, plain and simple

[Agloco]

Again people with limited thinking are always going to ask the same questions and its frustration to those who don't suffer from limited thinking.

Uh-huh.



I'm sure if you read the countless Creation,Evolution, age of earth topics posted here at ST you will have most of the answers you seek.


:lol who knew?



or you can wait until I'm not at work posting from my phone if you wish to discuss it further.

Wouldn't want you crashing the golf cart. Carry on.

[xmas1997]

The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared.

Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”.

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

[Uriel]

I don't understand why the media is going apeshit over Pope Francis believing in evolution, tbh.

Evolution has been accepted as scientific fact since 1870, about a decade after Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species. Anyone with half a brain acknowledges that evolution is true. The fact that so many people are so surprised that Pope Francis does so too shows how low they've set the bar for him.

[mouse]

Uh-huh.

If you want to have a live debate i'm all for it.

You backed down around two years ago remember?




:lol who knew?

Science knew, can't you read they know everything about life. Just not how to cure the Flu fuck Ebola.




Wouldn't want you crashing the golf cart. Carry on.

I never drive while texting / posting

[mouse]

it's not about my mind. its about the positions you have taken.

And because you can't figure me out your ego will continue to feed your curiosity to the point where you finally publicly live @ST accept AD and join the MITeam

after all you seem to take an interest.


you don't claim there is a creator/designer. that is an atheistic position, plain and simple

In your limited thinking mind. psssssst! I thought we through all this two pages back.

[boutons_deux]

I don't understand why the media is going apeshit over Pope Francis believing in evolution, tbh.

Evolution has been accepted as scientific fact since 1870, about a decade after Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species. Anyone with half a brain acknowledges that evolution is true. The fact that so many people are so surprised that Pope Francis does so too shows how low they've set the bar for him.

low-brow, low-wage, low-info Bible-humpers set the bar low, not "people" in general.

The Pope is still an influential figure, going back a 1000 years. There is only one CC, not 1000s of fractured, often bizarro, sects of huckstering Protestantism.

His stand on evolution isn't revolutionary. The CC has for a long time accepted "mitigated" biological/human evolution where God steps in to infuse the soul ( :lol ). That's clearly way ahead of the Bible-humping creationists.

However, at the recent bishops' hangout, he proposed to his hater bishops, mimicking the man-made hate of the Christian Taliban, to think about gays and divorced people more charitably. THAT IS, yet again for him, revolutionary. I hope Fran can stick around for long time.

[mouse]

I don't understand why the media is going apeshit over Pope Francis believing in evolution, tbh.

Your from down under right, Australia?

The Pope supporting Evolution is like your Crocodile Dundee supporting a ban on all steak knives.

http://www.jabootu.com/images/knife.jpg


I rather buy a RatCoon souvenir key chain from ChumpDumper at the next Club gtg

[DisAsTerBot]

Your from down under right, Australia?

The Pope supporting Evolution is like your Crocodile Dundee supporting a ban on all steak knives.

http://www.jabootu.com/images/knife.jpg


I rather buy a RatCoon souvenir key chain from ChumpDumper at the next Club gtg

not really. pope john paul II said the same thing. you must have been passed out during this time

[mouse]

Evolution has been accepted as scientific fact since 1870, about a decade after Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species.


So if Darwin dies at birth your now a Creationist? You know how many books were published before Darwin? Hell I could have beat Darwin to the punch and published a book called The Species of Origin were man started out as an Ape and slowly Devolved into an apelike creature who had bladder probblems so he was know as the pissing Link! :lmao

Sorry about that....{rolling rock) back on topic I do have a serious question for you forget Creation vs Evolution for a few seconds....

tell me if you really believe in your DNA it will show your Mother at one time had sex with a hairy monkey?

You really buy into Ape to Man "Evolution" with all the DNA knowledge we have today?

I know Evolutionist back in the 70s that were looked at as Ignorant assholes could you with what we know today thanks to Science how would those people feel today?

It would blow they're minds.

Just as your mind will be blown when I breakdown everything wrong with supporting Darwin if you want your call. esse

Fucking Darwin back peddling before his death. :lmao


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/evolution-debunked339_zps2d679db9.jpg








Anyone with half a brain acknowledges that evolution is true.

What does that say about the ones who have a whole brain and still acknowledges that evolution is true?




The fact that so many people are so surprised that Pope Francis does so too shows how low they've set the bar for him.

Is that a wet bar?

[Uriel]

Your from down under right, Australia?

The Pope supporting Evolution is like your Crocodile Dundee supporting a ban on all steak knives.

http://www.jabootu.com/images/knife.jpg


I rather buy a RatCoon souvenir key chain from ChumpDumper at the next Club gtg
I'm not from Australia. I just happen to be studying there right now.


So if Darwin dies at birth your now a Creationist? You know how many books were published before Darwin? Hell I could have beat Darwin to the punch and published a book called The Species of Origin were man started out as an Ape and slowly Devolved into an apelike creature who had bladder probblems so he was know as the pissing Link! :lmao
Hypothesis contrary to fact.


Sorry about that....{rolling rock) back on topic I do have a serious question for you forget Creation vs Evolution for a few seconds....

tell me if you really believe in your DNA it will show your Mother at one time had sex with a hairy monkey?

You rewally buy into Ape to Man "Evoulution" with all the DNA knowledged we have today?
That's one of the common misconceptions about evolution. Homo sapiens did not interbreed with chimpanzees or gorillas. We merely share a common ancestor. There's a difference.

[mouse]

I'm not from Australia. I just happen to be studying there right now.

Then I apologize I was going by your Avatar info Location Australia you can renounce your heritage or zip code at any time just update your profile so I don't mistake you as an Aussie.



Hypothesis contrary to fact.

....


That's one of the common misconceptions about evolution. Homo sapiens did not interbreed with chimpanzees or gorillas. We merely share a common ancestor. There's a difference.

where is the fossil?

[spurraider21]

And because you can't figure me out your ego will continue to feed your curiosity to the point where you finally publicly live @ST accept AD and join the MITeam

after all you seem to take an interest.



In your limited thinking mind. psssssst! I thought we through all this two pages back.
nah, ur just trying to weasel out of it. you want to be in a fairy world where you can claim you aren't atheist and simultaneously not claim a deity

[Avante]

We have how many billions of different opinions on all this?

While entertaining to watch this...."I'm the one with the real answer".......it never goes anywhere. Nobody ever..."ok you changed my mind"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more time.

I/me....have no idea at all about how all this came about and neither does anyone else. So ya grab onto....theories...or religious beliefs none of which have ever been proven. Being it takes so many different factors to pull this off I think it's foolish to not see how it took a designer. To think it all came about by chance......how could it?

I'm no Christian, I just see their belief in that designer as being a good idea, just not that designer and all the siliness we see in the Bible. Obviously just some author similar to Homer pulling the biggest hoax of all time, not unlike the Koran.

Many years after WWIII and the earth is nothing more than a desolate place full of gases and waste, a race of aliens arrive, while going thru the rubble they come across a charred Superman comic book. Need I go on?

[Agloco]

If you want to have a live debate i'm all for it.
You backed down around two years ago remember?

Nothing changed in that interval. There needs to be something worth debating. Since you haven't clearly outlined your position on the matter there's nothing to discuss tbh. I strongly suspect that pattern will continue ad-infinitum.


Science knew, can't you read they know everything about life. Just not how to cure the Flu fuck Ebola.


No money in a cure tbh. You exist as a payday for Big Pharma.


I never drive while texting / posting

I'm inclined to buy you a car.......

[mouse]

Nothing changed in that interval. There needs to be something worth debating. Since you haven't clearly outlined your position on the matter there's nothing to discuss tbh. I strongly suspect that pattern will continue ad-infinitum.

So is that another no?




No money in a cure tbh. You exist as a payday for Big Pharma.

True, how about Big Pharma pay for Evolution to be taught in schools instead of our tax dollars.



I'm inclined to buy you a car.......

Can you remove the airbags first?

[spurraider21]

^atheist

[mouse]

^atheist

And that bothers you?

[spurraider21]

And that bothers you?
not at all. i find it to be a rational position, one of the few we share

[mouse]

Then answer this question....

If DNA always existed why would we need Evolution? Do you need to have a sex with a monkey and wait at least 20 Million years to know if its a boy or a girl?

How do you get a Human from a fish? Please explain it to me.

[spurraider21]

Then answer this question....

If DNA always existed why would we need Evolution? Do you need to have a sex with a monkey and wait at least 20 Million years to know if its a boy or a girl?

How do you get a Human from a fish? Please explain it to me.
why are you changing the topic from theism/atheism to evolution?

[mouse]

why are you changing the topic from theism/atheism to evolution?


Was just trying to research you as a poster I have never met in person and maybe figure out your motives for being in this topic and you satisfied my curiosity.


continue to argue about about coke vs Pepsi

It doesn't matter.... AD supporters drink Dr. Pepper.



http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4)

[spurraider21]

Was just trying to research you as a poster I have never met in person and maybe figure out your motives for being in this topic and you satisfied my curiosity.


continue to argue about about coke vs Pepsi

It doesn't matter.... AD supporters drink Dr. Pepper.



http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4)
theism/atheism and evolution/non-evolution are 2 entirely different debates

we disagree on the evolution topic, but we are on the same page when it comes to atheism :tu. neither of us claim the existence of a god/creator/designer

[xmas1997]

theism/atheism and evolution/non-evolution are 2 entirely different debates

we disagree on the evolution topic, but we are on the same page when it comes to atheism :tu. neither of us claim the existence of a god/creator/designer

Glad to see some rationality from you, which is always appreciated, by me anyway.

I don't mind some good natured ribbing on my beliefs on here by the way, it goes with the territory.

Just because we disagree on theology does not mean we disagree on evolution.

But on every issue there are small quirks that promote differences of opinion.

At least we can respectfully disagree without it turning into an ignorant pissing contest, which you and Mouse rarely engage in as well.

[mouse]

we are on the same page when it comes to atheism :tu. neither of us claim the existence of a god/creator/designer

Just because we don"t "claim" a creator or designer does that mean we rule it out completely?

And if so what does that make us?

[spurraider21]

Just because we don"t "claim" a creator or designer does that mean we rule it out completely?

And if so what does that make is?
I don't rule it out completely either. Atheists generally don't.

theists claim a creator. Atheists don't. That's really the defining line. In terms you'd be more sympathetic to, atheists are like skeptics

[xmas1997]

I don't rule it out completely either. Atheists generally don't.

theists claim a creator. Atheists don't. That's really the defining line. In terms you'd be more sympathetic to, atheists are like skeptics

And how do you explain a deist, one who believes in lots of gods and/or God in general?

[spurraider21]

And how do you explain a deist, one who believes in lots of gods and/or God in general?
i'm not too familiar with deism, so i don't want to comment on it until i'm further read

[xmas1997]

i'm not too familiar with deism, so i don't want to comment on it until i'm further read

I once posted the definitions of all the "isms" as well as a few extra.

It didn't go over too well.

[spurraider21]

I once posted the definitions of all the "isms" as well as a few extra.

It didn't go over too well.
sometimes simple dictionary definition copy-pastes don't do terms justice

[xmas1997]

sometimes simple dictionary definition copy-pastes don't do terms justice

True, but at least it gave a reference to go by since everyone was throwing out term after term without any knowledge or substance behind it.

[mouse]

How do you explain to a cat it needs to wear a flea collar?

The human brain has its limits and cant fully comprehend why it exists.

That is why the very weak minds cling to Evolution they don't want to have think why.

They want to keep life simple believing long ago there was a huge explosion and after a long time of many apes having sex .....poof!

I'm here, now wheres the remote.

[spurraider21]

How do you explain to a cat it needs to wear a flea collar?

The human brain has its limits and cant fully comprehend why it exists.

That is why the very weak minds cling to Evolution they don't want to have think why.

They want to keep life simple believing long ago there was a huge explosion and after a long time of many apes having sex .....poof!

I'm here, now wheres the remote.
the only people trying to answer "why are we here" are religious theists though... they want to believe they were here for a purpose, etc.

atheists like you and I don't bother with the "why" question :tu

[DMC]

It's been proven and accepted by intelligent folks all over the world that biological evolution is real. There is growing acceptance even among theists that this is the case as well.

[spurraider21]

It's been proven and accepted by intelligent folks all over the world that biological evolution is real. There is growing acceptance even among theists that this is the case as well.
but mouse has youtubes with ominous music

[mouse]

the only people trying to answer "why are we here" are religious theists though..

And you have never asked or wondered why your here? It's human nature to ask how and why.


they want to believe they were here for a purpose, etc.

So does the cat.


atheists like you and I don't bother with the "why" question :tu

Your wrong I'm not supporting Darwin that makes us go our separate ways esse...



afHQd-lP4yU

[mouse]

but mouse has youtubes with ominous music

And I have "answers' something your Blakes, RandomLie,TlongII's of the forum have not.

[spurraider21]

And you have never asked or wondered why your here? It's human nature to ask how and why.
i know its foolish to try to answer that question



So does the cat.
i don't even think a cat has the cognitive ability to do so. even if it did, how do you know what a cat has thought about?



Your wrong I'm not supporting Darwin that makes us go our separate ways esse...
as i've said a few times, our views on evolution are different. but theism/atheism is a completely separate topic.

we're both atheists. i accept evolution, you don't.



afHQd-lP4yU
we also agree on music taste... saw you post UFO, Triumph, Dio in other threads. good stuff :tu

i saw Journey this summer (of course with the replacement filipino singer), they underwhelmed though

[mouse]

I have debated this topic for over 10 years and have debated this topic with MIT students professors and countless others from other colleges and have yet to lose why would I here at ST? The Debate ended years ago with the discovery of DNA it's not my fault your Anti Christ believers here at SpursTalk who at the gtg are wearing black robes as they place you on the Alter of stupidity that Evoulution is based on...use your own judgement look at the facts do the research..

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_MIT-on-Evolution-22_zpsf6e8801c.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/MIT-on-Evolution-22_zpsf6e8801c.mp4)

[spurraider21]

Anti Christ believers
are you a christ believer?

[mouse]

i know its foolish to try to answer that question

according to who?


i don't even think a cat has the cognitive ability to do so. even if it did, how do you know what a cat has thought about?

why ask me? ask a cat.



as i've said a few times, our views on evolution are different. but theism/atheism is a completely separate topic.

link?


we're both atheists. i accept evolution, you don't.

So who of the two is smarter?



we also agree on music taste... saw you post UFO, Triumph, Dio in other threads. good stuff :tu

That is what bothers me you seem to be worth my time in hopes your light bulb turns on..


i saw Journey this summer (of course with the replacement filipino singer), they underwhelmed though

Darwin knew if DNA ever showed up the Lights would go out...in the city


iP8_Dbvpi-A

[mouse]

are you a christ believer?

Dude Jesus is in the Bible ....you want to go against a book written over two thousand years ago?

be my guest... so what are you saying if someone two thousand years from now wanted to know if anyone believed there was a singer named Steve Perry
they should feel stupid?

Pardon me if they didn't have YouTube back in the the days of Jesus. :lmao

It's just a wheel in the sky!

lftcCDTwmw4

[xmas1997]

Good point.

[mouse]

The great thing about AD you don't need to find out you figured it out now you try to enjoy whats left of your life


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-007.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-007.mp4)

[Brazil]

I have debated this topic for over 10 years and have debated this topic with MIT students professors and countless others from other colleges and have yet to lose why would I here at ST? The Debate ended years ago with the discovery of DNA it's not my fault your Anti Christ believers here at SpursTalk who at the gtg are wearing black robes as they place you on the Alter of stupidity that Evoulution is based on...use your own judgement look at the facts do the research..



you're such an arrogant pick tbh...

10 years of winning debates against MIT guys... :lol

you have also the award of creating ST trolling and the award of people photoshopp in bikini... you have it all

[spurraider21]

Dude Jesus is in the Bible ....you want to go against a book written over two thousand years ago?
written by who? who put pen to paper?

[spurraider21]

according to who?
its foolish to try to answer "what is the reason for why we are here" because as it stands now there is no way to accurately answer that question. at this point i would just assume there is no great purpose


why ask me? ask a cat.
um, you are the one who brought up the mental state of a cat. you claimed cats want to believe they are here for a purpose in post #2485


link?
that's not really an issue that is settled by a link :lol... i said theism/atheism is different than evolution. that's inherent.

i am atheist and accept evolution. you are atheist but don't accept evolution.
chinook is a theist and accepts evolution. robdiaz is a theist and doesn't accept evolution.

the issues are completely separate


So who of the two is smarter?
i would argue myself, but i'm biased. in reality, its not a matter of being smarter or not. its a question of understanding the evidence at hand and coming to a conclusion. most people who are educated on how biology works are able to understand why evolution makes sense. that doesn't necessarily make it right and factual, but at this point it is widely accepted by educated people



That is what bothers me you seem to be worth my time in hopes your light bulb turns on..
i feel the same way :lol



Darwin knew if DNA ever showed up the Lights would go out...in the city
link?



iP8_Dbvpi-A
1:08 :tu

[spurraider21]

The great thing about AD you don't need to find out you figured it out now you try to enjoy whats left of your life


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-007.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-007.mp4)
so you find bliss in ignorance. shocking

[spurraider21]

Paleontologists Determine Dinosaurs Were Killed By Someone They Trusted (http://www.theonion.com/articles/paleontologists-determine-dinosaurs-were-killed-by,37468/)
checkmate robdiaz2191

[Avante]

Why does anyone care what others think about religion/evolution? Especially knowing they can't prove their stance on the matter. It all comes down to what ???? you want to attach yourself to.

So many try to sell their beliefs when it comes to this, beliefs with no "facts" backing it.

[mouse]

It's because people like spurraider21 are deep down afraid they may be wrong supporting Darwin so they try and belittle anyone else who doesn't support Darwin to help themselves feel better about the wrong choice they made.


It's like that one kid in elementary school cafeteria that is eating a peanut butter sandwich and is watching you eat a Spam sandwich he's very curious about the taste of Spam , or maybe he's secretly jealous his parents can't afford Spam so not to feel inferior he begins to taunt you bay making comments like.

"you really know what meat they use in Spam?"

"hey did you hear eating Spam makes you Gay?"

"why can't you eat peanut butter like the rest of us you think your special?"

"do you even know where Spam came from"

" I bet your gonna say some bearded man in sky made the Spam"

"And it only took 6 days to make"

you see the early pattern forming with the BiEvolutionist?

The truth is if Darwin knew about Spam back then he would be thinking of ways to eat one without anyone seeing him.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/evolution-debunked339_zps2d679db9.jpg