Evolution...?

[xmas1997]

It's always a contest with you.

You're the one who is so serious that someone has to "win or lose" on here, not me, I have no such emotional investment, but it is very clear that you do!:lmao

[xmas1997]

What a shining example of god's glory you are!

Hey, I am human.
Are you?
Doubtful.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You're the one who is so serious that someone has to "win or lose" on here, not me, I have no such emotional investment, but it is very clear that you do!:lmaoOf course you do. The more emoticons you use, the more emotional you are.

Until I note it. Then you stop for a post or two.

[xmas1997]

Being accurate wasn't really my point. I guarantee you that there are more muslims in christian countries than there are christians in muslim countries.

It's obvious that accuracy isn't one of your or chumps strong points!



I told you a long time ago, chump, I love emoticons, expressions without having to go into long tedious explanations!
:rollin

[Avante]

Being accurate wasn't really my point. I guarantee you that there are more muslims in christian countries than there are christians in muslim countries.

So after you did the homework you saw you were wrong.....again!

Now it's, well there are more.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shastafarian]

Hey, I am human.
Are you?
Doubtful.
:lmaoAccording to Rob this is a human so the criteria seem pretty lax:

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/resources-rx/images/1007/homo-erectus-slide-490_13794_1.JPG

[RD2191]

Pretty amazing how me and xmas can cause such epic meltdowns and butthurt over our beliefs on a sports forum. :lol
Poor atheists.:lol

[xmas1997]

Of course you do. The more emoticons you use, the more emotional you are.

Until I note it. Then you stop for a post or two.

You wish. You are the only "puppet" on here, and you are so predictable!

I use emoticons at my leisure and for the reasons I STATED above, regardless of your lies to the contrary!

I use them more, the more you make a total fool of yourself on here!
:lol

[Avante]

Pretty amazing how me and xmas can cause such epic meltdowns and butthurt over our beliefs on a sports forum. :lol
Poor atheists.:lol

I'm guessing most these atheists came from homes that did believe and felt those beliefs got in their way. So they had to rebel against them once they got away from it.

[xmas1997]

Pretty amazing how me and xmas can cause such epic meltdowns and butthurt over our beliefs on a sports forum. :lol
Poor atheists.:lol

SBM, Mouse, and Avante can get them going too.

Lots of laughs to be had at their (atheists) expense!
:rollin

[xmas1997]

I'm guessing most these atheists came from homes that did believe and felt those beliefs got in their way. So they had to rebel against them once they got away from it.

If so, I bet they return full circle over time as they mature into intelligent adults, that is, "if" they ever do.
:lol

[RD2191]

I'm guessing most these atheists came from homes that did believe and felt those beliefs got in their way. So they had to rebel against them once they got away from it.
Some of them seem to have a deep seeded hatred towards religion. It only reaffirms my faith though. As the Bible says the world will attack religion during the end of times.

[RD2191]

SBM, Mouse, and Avante can get them going too.

Lots of laughs to be had at their (atheists) expense!
:rollin
Not just on here, just go on any site on the web and you will see these types of people everywhere. Even famous scientist are starting to attack religion. It is sad to see but start of something bigger.

"I want to put on the table, not why 85% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject God, I want to know why 15% of the National Academy don't. That's really what we've got to address here. Otherwise the public is secondary to this."

Neil deGrasse Tyson

[Avante]

If so, I bet they return full circle over time as they mature into intelligent adults, that is, "if" they ever do.
:lol
Angry Atheists: Why Are Atheists So Angry All the Time?

[Avante]

Some of them seem to have a deep seeded hatred towards religion. It only reaffirms my faith though. As the Bible says the world will attack religion during the end of times.

I've talked with a lot of atheists and other that not believing I've noticed most don't know anything. Very limited!

[xmas1997]

No you won't.

I won't?

I had to correct you on your Christian dogma faux pas, and I came through like gangbusters, despite your lies.

Nope, just another one of your many lies, liar.

You are far and away the biggest liar on this entire site, over 85,000 lying trolling posts of worthlessness, followed very closely by blake.

[RD2191]

I've talked with a lot of atheists and other that not believing I've noticed most don't know anything. Very limited!
Most are arrogant assholes. I don't think I've ever met a decent atheist.

[xmas1997]

Some of them seem to have a deep seeded hatred towards religion. It only reaffirms my faith though. As the Bible says the world will attack religion during the end of times.

A word to the wise, don't hold your breath waiting for those "end times", IMHO they are thousands of years off, or one of God's days.

[ChumpDumper]

I won't?

I had to correct you on your Christian dogma faux pas, and I came through like gangbusters, despite your lies.

Nope, just another one of your many lies, liar.

You are far and away the biggest liar on this entire site, over 85,000 lying trolling posts of worthlessness, followed very closely by blake.

lol meltdown

rob showed everyone exactly what I was talking about more perfectly than I ever expected. So you desperately tried to twist the very words he wrote.

You guys are fighting each other.

It's entertaining.

[RD2191]

A word to the wise, don't hold your breath waiting for those "end times", IMHO they are thousands of years off, or one of God's days.
No one knows the time or date, but I believe it is near. You could be right though, could be hundreds of years or even longer. I live my life the same way though.

[xmas1997]

I've talked with a lot of atheists and other that not believing I've noticed most don't know anything. Very limited!


Most are arrogant assholes. I don't think I've ever met a decent atheist.

In real life I know quite a few, and as I said before, we all get along famously, everyone respects each others views.

[RD2191]

In real life I know quite a few, and as I said before, we all get along famously, everyone respects each others views.
Maybe the people hiding behind a screen get a false sense of pride/power. Most are scared to even show their face.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe the people hiding behind a screen get a false sense of pride/power. Most are scared to even show their face.
When did you show your face on this board?

[RD2191]

Just because God loves you doesn't mean he won't destroy you. He is very patient and giving people who sin time to repent and change their worldly views. If they don't then that is on them and the price they pay is eternal death. God is just. If God were evil and not caring he would send people to burn in hell for eternity. Something that of course he is not doing.

[xmas1997]

lol meltdown rob showed everyone exactly what I was talking about more perfectly than I ever expected. So you desperately tried to twist the very words he wrote. You guys are fighting each other. It's entertaining.

Just another in a long line of your over 85,000 LYING trolling posts as per usual.

That is all your post is, but truth be known, you can't disguise your own blatant MELT DOWN by trying to displace it to us.

:rollin

[RD2191]

When did you show your face on this board?
Anyone is free to add me on Facebook. I have said that many times before.

[SupremeGuy]

Anyone is free to add me on Facebook. I have said that many times before.Are you in the valley? We should hang out sometime homie.

[Avante]

Hard to believe if we could back track all the way back in our family tree we would finally get to being a monkey.

[ChumpDumper]

Just because God loves you doesn't mean he won't destroy you. He is very patient and giving people who sin time to repent and change their worldly views. If they don't then that is on them and the price they pay is eternal death. God is just. If God were evil and not caring he would send people to burn in hell for eternity. Something that of course he is not doing.god loves you! He's gonna kill you!

Thanks again, Rob.


Just another in a long line of your over 85,000 LYING trolling posts as per usual.

That is all your post is, but truth be known, you can't disguise your own blatant MELT DOWN by trying to displace it to us.

:rollinNope, it's all there. You tried to twist what Rob explicitly and succinctly said. It was funny and sad.


Anyone is free to add me on Facebook. I have said that many times before.So you're just afraid to show your face here.

Anyone is free to add me on Facebook too.

lol

[xmas1997]

Anyone is free to add me on Facebook. I have said that many times before.

Plus you are not afraid to show your face at a GTG either.

[RD2191]

Are you in the valley? We should hang out sometime homie.
Yeah, in La Villa. Around the Mercedes area. Where are you from?

[xmas1997]

Hard to believe if we could back track all the way back in our family tree we would finally get to being a monkey.

Yes, and chump is a wonderful example of this except most monkeys don't lie like he does.
:lmao

[RD2191]

god loves you! He's gonna kill you!

Thanks again, Rob.

Nope, it's all there. You tried to twist what Rob explicitly and succinctly said. It was funny and sad.

So you're just afraid to show your face here.

Anyone is free to add me on Facebook too.

lol
Well link me your Facebook then.

[xmas1997]

god loves you! He's gonna kill you!

Thanks again, Rob.

Nope, it's all there. You tried to twist what Rob explicitly and succinctly said. It was funny and sad.

So you're just afraid to show your face here.

Anyone is free to add me on Facebook too.

lol

If you want to make another fool of yourself you won't get anyone to go and check that out because the facts will show you are lying again!
:lol

[xmas1997]

Well link me your Facebook then.

I wonder if we can keep a running total of each of chumps lying, versus trolling, versus lying and trolling posts.
Nope, I don't have all eternity.
:rollin

[Blake]

I don't know, but it is a question. I won't pretend it isn't.

If I were a believer, I could also say there is no purpose to God's existence. He just is.

And logically speaking, that would be fine.

[xmas1997]

Are you in the valley? We should hang out sometime homie.

You should come to the GTG with Rob Saturday.

[ChumpDumper]

Well link me your Facebook then.You mean you don't know my name?

crofl

Good to know you are afraid to show your face here. So don't try to say anyone else is like you are better.


If you want to make another fool of yourself you won't get anyone to go and check that out because the facts will show you are lying again!
:lolAnyone can check it out at anytime. rob said one thing and you tried to twist it.

It's there for anyone to see. I encourage them to check it out.

[RD2191]

You mean you don't know my name?

crofl

Anyone can check it out at anytime. rob said one thing and you tried to twist it.

It's there for anyone to see. I encourage them to check it out.
So now you're playing games? Got it.

[RD2191]

You should come to the GTG with Rob Saturday.
Hopefully I can make it.

[ChumpDumper]

So now you're playing games? Got it.Eh, you didn't show your face here. That's all that's needed.

[Avante]

Hmmmm?


While we don't really know what a missing link is (or was), we can know what they should be. As each type evolves into something else, there should be numerous in-between types, each stage gaining more and more traits of the descendant while losing traits of the ancestor.
If some type of fish evolved into some type of amphibian, there should have been distinct steps along the way of 90% fish/10% amphibian; then 80% fish/20% amphibian; etc., leading to the 100% amphibians we have today. You would suspect that unless evolution has completely stopped, there might even be some transitional links alive today, but certainly they lived and thrived for a while in the past before they were replaced.

[RD2191]

Eh, you didn't show your face here. That's all that's needed.
Yeah, just change the subject. The entire forum knows you're a huge vagina.

[Blake]

So...you do believe in gravity right?

Yup

[Avante]

So what creatures today are in a stage of evolution?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, just change the subject. The entire forum knows you're a huge vagina.The subject was your not showing your face here.

Therefore you are a huge vagina.

[ChumpDumper]

So what creatures today are in a stage of evolution?Have you ever read a book about evolution?

I'm going to say no.

Too busy copying track almanacs.

[xmas1997]

You gave up. All that's left is for you to shit yourself with emoticons.


Are you really trying to convince yourself here? Just post your definition of dogma. I already did. It was easy.


No you won't.


You quoted Avante and said this was "Christian dogma".
And then when I disputed it you gave me this "generalized" definition of "dogma", but that is much different than Christian dogma as you shall see.

First off your definition applies to all religions, not just Christianity.
But it is still a good starting place.

There are many "denominations" within the umbrella term of Christianity, the largest of which are: Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestantism. Within Protestantism are: Lutherans, Protestants, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and Baptists, etc. Within Baptists are: Disciples of Christ, Churches of Christ, Evangelical Christian Chrs. and others, and there are what I call the "fringe" Christian denominations such as: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, and Holy Rollers, etc.

All of these denominations have their own particular sets of dogma and for the most part do not agree with each other except on a few select sets of "commonly shared dogma".
Commonly shared Christian dogma
1. belief in God the Father, the Son of God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
2. God is eternal, always existed, holy, sinless, and does not lie.
3. the Incarnation - the Son of God became flesh.
4. Baptism - forgiveness of original sin.
5. the Resurrection - the Son of God died for the sins of mankind and came back to life so that we might receive eternal life with the Father.
6. the Ascension - the resurrected Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven in His resurrected body.
7. the Transfiguration -where Jesus Christ is "shown physically" to be the Son of God.

Everything else, including the Bible is hotly contested and thus does not fall under the Common Christian dogma umbrella.
You later quoted something about one of the Ten Commandments, but even those are not all agreed on by all the denominations because Biblical interpretaions vary so widely from sect to sect within Christianity..
For example: Protestants believe as dogma "sola scriptura" - that the Bible is necessary for their salvation and holiness. Whereas the Anglicans and Methodists believe as dogma "prima scriptura" - where the Bible is "illumined" by tradition, reason, and experience.
Some sects believe in total strict literalism such as many of the Baptists and some of the "fringe" sects mentioned above like the Jehovah Witnesses and Pentecostals, etc., while the Mormons, SDAs, etc. while accepting as dogma the seven mentioned above, also have another "book" they believe as dogma along with the bible.

So when you consider all this and attempt to get a "Christian worldview" you must consider more than just one denominations dogmas, because it is inclusive in that it is the framework of ideas, dogmas, creeds, and beliefs that Christians interpret and interact with the world.

Whereas the "Biblical worldview" is much the same with one major difference, it views life through the "lens" of God's Word, the Bible, and that it is inspired, inerrant, and infallible.
Not all the denominations subscribe to this Biblical worldview in the same way or degree.

So Christian dogma is widely varied, hotly contested, interpreted in many different ways, and very little is commonly agreed upon, yet the seven that are agreed on are considered true principals that do not change.

So here it all is again ^^^ as promised, regardless of chumps lies that I wouldn't do it.

Just more solid unshakable proof that chump is a liar worth only us laughing AT him!

:lmao:rollin:lol

[Blake]

You're the one who is so serious that someone has to "win or lose" on here, not me, I have no such emotional investment, but it is very clear that you do!:lmao

the rubber glue method

[RD2191]

The subject was your not showing your face here.

Therefore you are a huge vagina.
Name and Facebook link please.

[ChumpDumper]

So here it all is again ^^^ as promised, regardless of chumps lies that I wouldn't do it.

Just more solid unshakable proof that chump is a liar worth only us laughing AT him!

:lmao:rollin:lolThat wasn't where you tried to twist rob's words, Ivy.

[ChumpDumper]

Name and Facebook link please.What does that have to do with your showing your face here?

Just post your face here.

Show us what a man you are.

[xmas1997]

If I were a believer, I could also say there is no purpose to God's existence. He just is.

And logically speaking, that would be fine.

Just out of curiosity, and out of respect, what Christian denomination were you involved with?

[Avante]

So we got all the different species of dogs from ...hmmmmm?

[RD2191]

What does that have to do with your showing your face here?

Just post your face here.

Show us what a man you are.
As I said before, anyone is free to add me on Facebook. Keep squirming and playing games though. It's the only thing you're good at.

[xmas1997]

That wasn't where you tried to twist rob's words, Ivy.

Sounds like you are lying again to me.
:lol

[Blake]

Just because God loves you doesn't mean he won't destroy you.

Sounds like a great daddy you got there.

[RD2191]

Sounds like a great daddy you got there.
Like the daddy your wife had? He loved her but also destroyed her vagina.

[ChumpDumper]

So we got all the different species of dogs from ...hmmmmm?How many species of dogs are you saying exist right now?


As I said before, anyone is free to add me on Facebook. Keep squirming and playing games though. It's the only thing you're good at.Why are you so dependent on others?

Just be a man and post your picture here.

Or be a huge vagina and don't.

Your choice.

[Blake]

Just out of curiosity, and out of respect, what Christian denomination were you involved with?

Southern baptist

[xmas1997]

As I said before, anyone is free to add me on Facebook. Keep squirming and playing games though. It's the only thing you're good at.

Actually he is a much better liar and troll than he will ever be at playing games. I'll give you the "squirming" part though, and "raise" you "a making up others dialog" and "melting down".

:lmao

[Blake]

Like the daddy your wife had? He loved her but also destroyed her vagina.

Good thing you're not a Christian yet!

[RD2191]

Actually he is a much better liar and troll than he will ever be at playing games. I'll give you the :squirming part too, and "raise" you a making up others dialog and melting down.

:lmao
His internet persona is his life, and you gotta give the dude credit, he is good at it.

[RD2191]

Good thing you're not a Christian yet!
I know right.

[RD2191]

Blake, you live in Lubbock?

[xmas1997]

Good thing you're not a Christian yet!

What Christian denomination were you when you quit?
Just asking.

[Blake]

Blake, you live in Lubbock?

Not any more. Back in SA now.

[xmas1997]

His internet persona is his life, and you gotta give the dude credit, he is good at it.

He is getting what he puts out.
Karma is a bitch.

[Blake]

What Christian denomination were you when you quit?
Just asking.

Non denominational

[ChumpDumper]

He is getting what he puts out.
Karma is a bitch.Um, just what am I "getting" here?

[RD2191]

Not any more. Back in SA now.
How old are you? Not going to stalk you or anything. Are you from the Panhandle?

[spurraider21]

Most are arrogant assholes. I don't think I've ever met a decent atheist.
:wakeup

[RD2191]

:wakeup
:wakeup

[xmas1997]

Um, just what am I "getting" here?

Not only are you being totally humiliated by Rob and Avante, but you are compounding your misery to the point of your melt downs are forcing you to resort to blatant lying thus making an even bigger fool of yourself.

How does it feel to be a total fool after spending over 85,000 posts trying to make fools of others?

That sinking feeling in your stomach bothering you any?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Not only are you being totally humiliated by Rob and Avante, but you are compounding your misery to the point of your melt downs are forcing you to resort to blatant lying thus making an even bigger fool of yourself.

How does it feel to be a total fool after spending over 85,000 posts trying to make fools of others?

That sinking feeling in your stomach bothering you any?

:lmaoFeel pretty good.

None of you have done anything to me.

It's very important to you to feel you have though. It's a contest to you.

[xmas1997]

Feel pretty good.

None of you have done anything to me.

It's very important to you to feel you have though. It's a contest to you.

You love making things up, but it poorly disguises your huge melt down, and explains why you make things up. I call those lies out of desperation.

Own up to it, be a man.

:lmao

[RD2191]

Chump getting demolished.

[ChumpDumper]

You love making things up, but it poorly disguises your huge melt down, and explains why you make things up. I call those lies out of desperation.

Own up to it, be a man.

:lmaoNothing to own up to. You got angry that I called out your attempted twisting of rob's words so you posted something else entirely and declared victory.

Because it's a contest to you.

[xmas1997]

Non denominational

You mean like Church of Christ, along those lines?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump getting demolished.I don't see your picture here, rob.

You are by your own definition a huge vagina.

To the point you would let your explicit religious beliefs be twisted by someone just because you both had your feelings hurt by the same person on the internet.

[xmas1997]

Nothing to own up to. You got angry that I called out your attempted twisting of rob's words so you posted something else entirely and declared victory.

Because it's a contest to you.

You still don't get it do you?

I have no earthly idea what you are referring to.

Twisting Robs words? Bah, humbug.

You're making up shit again to deflect away from your classic melt down.

Next you'll be crying, if you aren't already.

While we have tears in our eyes ............ from laughing AT you so hard.

:rollin

[RD2191]

I don't see your picture here, rob.

You are by your own definition a huge vagina.

To the point you would let your explicit religious beliefs be twisted by someone just because you both had your feelings hurt by the same person on the internet.
Nope, you're a huge vagina because you won't even state your age. Why are you so scared? Link me your Facebook.

[xmas1997]

I don't see your picture here, rob.You are by your own definition a huge vagina.To the point you would let your explicit religious beliefs be twisted by someone just because you both had your feelings hurt by the same person on the internet.

Another blatant lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you believe your lies?
Do you?
No one can be this ignorant.
:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You still don't get it do you?

I have no earthly idea what you are referring to.

Twisting Robs words? Bah, humbug.

You're making up shit again to deflect away from your classic melt down.

Next you'll be crying, if you aren't already.

While we have tears in our eyes ............ from laughing AT you so hard.

:rollin
God loves you but he hates sinners. So yes, sinners who do not repent will die.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say I think this refers to keeping our "sentience" after death, those who sin (we all do) but do not repent, will lose their sentience after death, thus no everlasting life. That is my best guess.

But IMHO as long as you do God's work, live your life in a good way and do unto others as you would have them do unto you, even if you do not believe in a God, I think you will also gain everlasting life after death.
What do you mean by afterlife? I believe nothing happens when you die. You simply cease to exist.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, you're a huge vagina because you won't even state your age. Why are you so scared? Link me your Facebook.Post your picture here.

Why are you so scared?

[RD2191]

Post your picture here.

Why are you so scared?
Post yours first. See, I can play your game too.

[RD2191]

And I never said to post your pic, I said you were a huge vagina for hiding behind a screen. Then I asked for your Facebook and you shit your pants. Keep playing games though.

[ChumpDumper]

Post yours first. See, I can play your game too.Why would you want to play a game?

You said you didn't care how saw your picture.

All the sudden, you care so much when you are called on it.

lol just another huge vagina hiding behind a screen.

[ChumpDumper]

And I never said to post your pic, I said you were a huge vagina for hiding behind a screen.You are saying that hiding behind a screen, huge vagina.

[RD2191]

Why would you want to play a game?

You said you didn't care how saw your picture.

All the sudden, you care so much when you are called on it.

lol just another huge vagina hiding behind a keyboard.
Post your Facebook link and name please.

[xmas1997]

There was no twisting there.

Are you an ignoramus too, chump, besides being a blatant liar?

I gave an honest opinion.

Nothing wrong with that, or odd either IMHO.

What? You don't allow opinions on this site now too?

Ignoramus!

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Post your Facebook link and name please.Post your picture here please.

[RD2191]

There was no twisting there.

Are you an ignoramus too, besides being a blatant liar?

I gave an honest opinion.

Nothing wrong with that, or odd either IMHO.

What? You don't allow opinions on this site now too?

Ignoramus!

:lmao
Must be friends with the psycho atheists from Amarillo.

[RD2191]

Post your picture here please.
Nope, but if anyone wants my Facebook they can ask for it. I don't have anything to hide, David. You seem terrified of people finding out who you are. Why?

[ChumpDumper]

There was no twisting there.

Are you an ignoramus too, besides being a blatant liar?

I gave an honest opinion.

Nothing wrong with that, or odd either IMHO.

What? You don't allow opinions on this site now too?

Ignoramus!

:lmaoYou were trying to speak for rob when rob was right there and had already spoken for himself.

You have no respect for his beliefs -- you tried to twist them in an attempt to win whatever contest you were fighting at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

NopeThen you are a huge vagina hiding behind a screen with something to hide. You are terrified of people seeing your picture here.

[RD2191]

Then you are a huge vagina hiding behind a screen with something to hide. You are terrified of people seeing your picture here.
Not really, I just have no reason to post it. If someone is interested in what I look like they can add me on Facebook. Pretty simple.

[Blake]

How old are you? Not going to stalk you or anything. Are you from the Panhandle?

why are you wanting to get to know me?

don't most stalkers start with "I'm not gonna stalk you or anything"

I went to Tech and that was the extent of me being in the panhandle.

[cantthinkofanything]

Then you are a huge vagina hiding behind a screen with something to hide. You are terrified of people seeing your picture here.

You sound like you don't like vaginas.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really, I just have no reason to post it. If someone is interested in what I look like they can add me on Facebook. Pretty simple.You can just post your picture here to prove you aren't a huge vagina hiding behind a screen, terrified of people seeing your picture here. Pretty simple.

[RD2191]

why are you wanting to get to know me?

don't most stalkers start with "I'm not gonna stalk you or anything"

I went to Tech and that was the extent of me being in the panhandle.
Just curious, I guess. Wondering why people are so terrified of their personal info getting out. Has to be a reason behind it.

Oh okay.

[RD2191]

You can just post your picture here to prove you aren't a huge vagina hiding behind a screen, terrified of people seeing your picture here. Pretty simple.
Nope, but if they want they can add me on Facebook, David.

[Blake]

You mean like Church of Christ, along those lines?

Like if I was to start my own church, it would have been like cornerstone, oak hills, community Bible church, and the myriad of other non denominational churches on the north side of San Antonio.

[ChumpDumper]

You sound like you don't like vaginas.You sound butthurt. I really don't remember anything you post, so i don't know when I hurt you.

Sorry.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, but if they want they can add me on Facebook, David.Who's David?

[Blake]

Just curious, I guess. Wondering why people are so terrified of their personal info getting out. Has to be a reason behind it.

Oh okay.

One reason is that I prefer to not leave myself open to stalkers.

Not that you would stalk me or anything.

[xmas1997]

You were trying to speak for rob when rob was right there and had already spoken for himself.

You have no respect for his beliefs -- you tried to twist them in an attempt to win whatever contest you were fighting at the time.

You're making up shit again.
What?
People aren't allowed to express an opinion unless your name is Chump?

No, you are blatantly lying about the whole thing, or your reading comprehension is totally twisted.

My best guess it's both reasons, and by the way, it does not hide your classic melt down.

Geez, writing peoples dialogs again, and you have the gall to accuse me of arrogance, hypocrite.

For you information, I am allowed to espress my opinion about any post on here and I did so, even though it obviously upset you that I did.

Better luck next time.

Going to use the flimsy "contest" excuse again?

:rollin

[cantthinkofanything]

You sound butthurt. I really don't remember anything you post, so i don't know when I hurt you.

Sorry.

I'm going to apply your apology to you being such a Prancing Nancy all the time. I accept you apology.

[ChumpDumper]

You're making up shit again.
What?
People aren't allowed to express an opinion unless your name is Chump?Straw man.

Boy you are really getting worked up now, breaking out the logical fallacies.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm going to apply your apology to you being such a Prancing Nancy all the time. I accept you apology.Maybe you can remind me when I hurt you so.

[cantthinkofanything]

Maybe you can remind me when I hurt you so.

You're silly.

[xmas1997]

Like if I was to start my own church, it would have been like cornerstone, oak hills, community Bible church, and the myriad of other non denominational churches on the north side of San Antonio.

Yes, I understand. Some would say it falls under the term "fringe" Christian or Baptist church, but I know what you are referring to.

What turned you off to God, if I may ask?

That is, if it isn't too personal.

Most who get as far as you did, would be stronger in the Faith?

[RD2191]

One reason is that I prefer to not leave myself open to stalkers.

Not that you would stalk me or anything.
I doubt that's the reason but okay.

[Blake]

I doubt that's the reason but okay.

that's a reason.

another reason is that I have no good reason to give you information about me.

[xmas1997]

Straw man.

Boy you are really getting worked up now, breaking out the logical fallacies.

Ah, troll tactic, quoting out of context now.

Melt Down in Progress, Defcon 1.

:lmao

[RD2191]

that's a reason.

another reason is that I have no good reason to give you information about me.
Sounds like you're scared but okay.

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, troll tactic, quoting out of context now.

Melt Down in Progress, Defcon 1.

:lmaoNope, that's as far as I had to read.

It was a straw man. You can't try to spin that.

[Blake]

Yes, I understand. Some would say it falls under the term "fringe" Christian or Baptist church, but I know what you are referring to.

What turned you off to God, if I may ask?

That is, if it isn't too personal.

Most who get as far as you did, would be stronger in the Faith?

actually i got to a point where I decided if this is how I'm gonna live and believe then I'm going to rigorously put it to the test; logically, historically, contextually and a whole bunch of other adverbs.

it's flat undeniable that christianity just doesn't work on so many levels.

[RD2191]

actually i got to a point where I decided if this is how I'm gonna live and believe then I'm going to rigorously put it to the test; logically, historically, contextually and a whole bunch of other adverbs.

it's flat undeniable that christianity just doesn't work on so many levels.
Wrong.

[xmas1997]

Nope, that's as far as I had to read.

It was a straw man. You can't try to spin that.

The only one spinning is you, you didn't get it, and it went right over your head.

Dizzy yet?

Sorry you didn't understand.

Do you need me to explain it for you like I had to do with your Christian dogma faux pas?

No one believes your lies.

But I bet many on here are laughing AT you trying to deflect your melt down.

Defcon 1. Chump Melt Down In Progress.

:rollin

[Blake]

Sounds like you're scared but okay.

everyone has their breaking point.

what's your Spurstalk password?

[RD2191]

everyone has their breaking point.

what's your Spurstalk password?
Don't know.

[ChumpDumper]

The only one spinning is you, you didn't get it, and it went right over your head.

Dizzy yet?

Sorry you didn't understand.

Do you need me to explain it for you like I had to do with your Christian dogma faux pas?

No one believes your lies.

But I bet many on here are laughing AT you trying to deflect your melt down.

Defcon 1. Chump Melt Down In Progress.

:rollinlol trying to speak for others again.

Do you think that helps you win your contest?

[Blake]

Wrong.

you're scared to commit to christianity.

Not good if you're trying to claim I'm wrong.

[xmas1997]

actually i got to a point where I decided if this is how I'm gonna live and believe then I'm going to rigorously put it to the test; logically, historically, contextually and a whole bunch of other adverbs.

it's flat undeniable that christianity just doesn't work on so many levels.

I never though I would read myself writing this, but I respect what you did, and to a certain extent, how you must feel about it.

Thanks for your honesty when you could have trolled.

:tu

[Blake]

Don't know.

You sound scared to give it to me.

[RD2191]

you're scared to commit to christianity.

Not good if you're trying to claim I'm wrong.
Scared? Nope. Am I going to be a hypocrite while claiming to be Christian and continue sinning? No. Which is why I won't claim to be a Christian.

[RD2191]

You sound scared to give it to me.
My password has nothing to do with knowing who I am. Do you want to add me on Facebook?

[xmas1997]

lol trying to speak for others again.

Do you think that helps you win your contest?

Wow, now the "contest" deflection and lie again.

You are so predictable!

I called it in my post #857, go and look.

:lmao

[Blake]

Scared? Nope. Am I going to be a hypocrite while claiming to be Christian and continue sinning? No. Which is why I won't claim to be a Christian.

Unless you wait until your dying breath, sinning after converting is basically unavoidable

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, now the "contest" deflection and lie again.

You are so predictable!

I called it in my post #857, go and look.

:lmaoSo you're keeping score?

lol proving me right.

[Blake]

My password has nothing to do with knowing who I am. Do you want to add me on Facebook?

I'm saying to post your password here at the risk of letting anyone sign in as you.

I don't do Facebook but if I did, I don't care about you enough to add you.

[RD2191]

Unless you wait until your dying breath, sinning after converting is basically unavoidable
I agree, but deliberately sinning as I am now is wrong and would be wrong if I continued doing it after getting baptized.

[RD2191]

I'm saying to post your password here at the risk of letting anyone sign in as you.

I don't do Facebook but if I did, I don't care about you enough to add you.
Yeah, okay. Chump.

[Blake]

I agree, but deliberately sinning as I am now is wrong and would be wrong if I continued doing it after getting baptized.


you can't avoid it. You'll still sin.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree, but deliberately sinning as I am now is wrong and would be wrong if I continued doing it after getting baptized.sinning now is wrong.

Why do you sin?

[Blake]

Yeah, okay. Chump.

Ok chicken shit.

[Shastafarian]

sinning now is wrong.

Why do you sin?He's not ready for Jesus to pop his christian cherry.

[xmas1997]

So you're keeping score?

lol proving me right.

Keeping score?

Because I "predicted" your usual troll tactic and obvious LIE?

You are not only extremely IGNORANT, but twisted mentally as well.

Keep making a fool of yourself, it is hilariously funny!

:lmao:rollin:lol

You going to call it Christian dogma again?

:lmao

[xmas1997]

I agree, but deliberately sinning as I am now is wrong and would be wrong if I continued doing it after getting baptized.

God will forgive you if you are sincerely sorry, He knows we are human and weak in that regard.

[ChumpDumper]

Keeping score?

Because I "predicted" your usual troll tactic and obvious LIE?

You are not only extremely IGNORANT, but twisted mentally as well.

Keep making a fool of yourself, it is hilariously funny!

:lmao:rollin:lol

You going to call it Christian dogma again?

:lmaolol you're caps lock angry now.

Of course what rob was repeating is dogma. JW dogma. And yes, that dogma required ignoring the contradictions.

[xmas1997]

lol you're caps lock angry now.

Of course what rob was repeating is dogma. JW dogma. And yes, that dogma required ignoring the contradictions.

Caps lock angry?

:lmao

OMG, you really are pissed off.

I put things in caps to EMPHASIZE it like most do.

Are you that much of a moron to make such an ignorant assumption?

I guess so.

And you still have no earthly idea what Christian dogma is because you were quoting Avante at the time, not Rob, so another LIE.

Plus you didn't say "JW" dogma, which I seriously doubt you know what that is, you said "Christian" dogma like an uneducated moron would do.

I can re-quote it to expose this new lie if you like.

Just admit you are talking through your ass and be a man about it.

Or continue your Huge Melt Down at Defcon 1.

:lmao:rollin:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Caps lock angry?

:lmao

OMG, you really are pissed off.

I put things in caps to EMPHASIZE it like most do.

Are you that much of a moron to make such an ignorant assumption?

I guess so.

And you still have no earthly idea what Christian dogma is because you were quoting Avante at the time, not Rob, so another LIE.

Plus you didn't say "JV" dogma, which I seriously doubt you know what that is, you said "Christian" dogma like an uneducated moron would do.

I can re-quote it to expose this new lie if you like.

Just admit you are talking through your ass and be a man about it.

Or continue your Huge Melt Down at Defcon 1.

:lmao:rollin:lol
lol "JV" dogma

No, I don't know what "JV" dogma is. Tell me what "JV" dogma is.

[RD2191]

sinning now is wrong.

Why do you sin?
Because I choose to.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I choose to.Why do you choose to sin?

[RD2191]

Ok chicken shit.
Lol, says the guy terrified of anyone knowing who he is.

[RD2191]

Why do you choose to sin?
Because I want to.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I want to.Why do you want to sin when you know it's wrong and will cause to you cease to exist?

[spurraider21]

how the fuck did ElNono pass ChumpDumper in posts when he still does shit like this all day?

[xmas1997]

lol you're caps lock angry now.

Of course what rob was repeating is dogma. JW dogma. And yes, that dogma required ignoring the contradictions.

You said this too, and now you're denying you said it.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You said this too, and now you're denying you said it.

:lmaoYes, I did say that and never denied it. What part of that do you not understand?

lol "JV" dogma

No, I don't know what "JV" dogma is. Tell me what "JV" dogma is.

[xmas1997]

Yes, I did say that and never denied it. What part of that do you not understand?

Then why make a statement about something you know nothing about?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Then why make a statement about something you know nothing about?

:lmaoI knew plenty about it -- rob recited all that dogma after all.

What is this "JV" dogma you were talking about? Quit ducking that question.

[spurraider21]

I knew plenty about it -- rob recited all that dogma after all.

What is this "JV" dogma you were talking about? Quit ducking that question.
aunt jemima's witnesses, or something like that

[ChumpDumper]

aunt jemima's witnesses, or something like thatxmas thinks junior varsity is a religion.

[xmas1997]

lol you're caps lock angry now.

Of course what rob was repeating is dogma. JW dogma. And yes, that dogma required ignoring the contradictions.


I knew plenty about it -- rob recited all that dogma after all.

What is this "JV" dogma you were talking about? Quit ducking that question.

You made the ridiculous statement, not me.

It is right there in bold.

You were talking out your ass again because you demonstrated before you didn't have a clue about Christian dogma at all.

Your only knowledge of dogma per say is a "generalized" dictionary definition.

You should stick to subjects you have more knowledge of like evolution.

That way you won't keep looking like an ignorant fool.

Oh, by the way, how is that melt down coming along, still at Defcon 1?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You made the ridiculous statement, not me.

It is right there in bold.

You were talking out your ass again because you demonstrated before you didn't have a clue about Christian dogma at all.

Your only knowledge of dogma per say is a "generalized" dictionary definition.

You should stick to subjects you have more knowledge of like evolution.

That way you won't keep looking like an ignorant fool.

Oh, by the way, how is that melt down coming along, still at Defcon 1?

:lmaoRob was repeating JW dogma.

It's pretty simple.

[xmas1997]

Rob was repeating JW dogma.

It's pretty simple.

How do you know this when you have no knowledge of JW dogma?

And you were quoting Avante when you made the Chruistian dogma faux pas, not Rob as you claimed.

Can't you get your lies straight?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know this when you have no knowledge of JW dogma?Sure I do.


And you were quoting Avante when you made the Chruistian dogma faux pas, not Rob as you claimed.Rob's is an example of christian dogma. I'm glad he repeated it.


Can't you get your lies straight?It's "per se" Ivy.

[xmas1997]

Sure I do.

Rob's is an example of christian dogma. I'm glad he repeated it.

It's "per se" Ivy.

You do not know anything about it, you demonstrated this before.

It is not an example of Christian dogma, this is clearly false and I proved it already.

You just cannot accept you know nothing about the subject other than what I taught you on here.

That is obvious by your posts, your misunderstanding is there in blake and white, dimwit.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You do not know anything about it, you demonstrated this before.

It is not an example of Christian dogma, this is clearly false and I proved it already.Of course it is. Fits the definition.


You just cannot accept you know nothing about the subject other than what I taught you on here.

That is obvious by your posts, your misunderstanding is there in blake and white, dimwit.

:lmaoI didn't read your cut and paste. The word had already been defined, then beautifully illustrated by rob.

[TE]

how the fuck did ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) pass ChumpDumper in posts when he still does shit like this all day?
lol I just noticed that too...

[Avante]

What is my record,....40 pages?

I wanna break it.

Fuck evolution, bored with it.

So how old were you when you first got laid and was it better than you thought it would be or were you disappointed?

[xmas1997]

Of course it is. Fits the definition.

I didn't read your cut and paste. The word had already been defined, then beautifully illustrated by rob.

This clearly and indisputable proves you are ignorant in the extreme and usually know nothing about anything you say.

Thank you for giving us all all the evidence we need to show you are just a two bit liar, troll, and a fraud.

From this day forth it is known, and everyone can see it for themselves.

Go look in the mirror and laugh at yourself, you failed and are a dismal failure and nothing but a loser.

Enjoy yourself for the worthlessness that you proved yourself to be.

And we are laughing AT you, enjoy that feeling too.

:lmao:rollin:lol

[ElNono]

how the fuck did ElNono pass ChumpDumper in posts when he still does shit like this all day?

game threads, tbh...

[xmas1997]

game threads, tbh...

Excellent game threads IMHO.

[ChumpDumper]

This clearly and indisputable proves you are ignorant in the extreme and usually know nothing about anything you say.

Thank you for giving us all all the evidence we need to show you are just a two bit liar, troll, and a fraud.

From this day forth it is known, and everyone can see it for themselves.

Go look in the mirror and laugh at yourself, you failed and are a dismal failure and nothing but a loser.

Enjoy yourself for the worthlessness that you proved yourself to be.

And we are laughing AT you, enjoy that feeling too.

:lmao:rollin:lol
lol meltdown

[TE]

game threads, tbh...
You hardly post in the Club irrc tbh. :wow...kinda weird seeing down here in this cesspool.

[xmas1997]

lol meltdown

Melt down?

Yes, you are still in the midst of it, we know this.

Defcon 1 melt down in progress.

But that is okay, your misery will end soon.

In the meantime I can't stop laughing AT you.
:lol

[spurraider21]

Enrique bashing, tbh...
yeah, true. i wonder if chump will catch up before the season starts

[ChumpDumper]

Melt down?

Yes, you are still in the midst of it, we know this.

Defcon 1 melt down in progress.

But that is okay, your misery will end soon.

In the meantime I can't stop laughing AT you.
:lollol xmas raging at the dictionary

[xmas1997]

lol xmas raging at the dictionary

Insignificant post ^^^.

[ChumpDumper]

Insignificant post ^^^.Butthurt post ^^^

[xmas1997]

Butthurt post ^^^

Lying post ^^^.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Lying post ^^^.
:lmaoshutdown post w/ emoticon ^^^

[xmas1997]

shutdown post w/ emoticon ^^^

Another lying post ^^^,

Wirh me laughing AT you some more!

:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.giflol shut down again.

xmas is losing his own contest.

[xmas1997]

lol shut down again.

xmas is losing his own contest.

You're the only one deluding yourself by thinking this is some sort of contest.

Admit it. Own it.

[ChumpDumper]

You're the only one deluding yourself by thinking this is some sort of contest.

Admit it. Own it.Eh, you can't talk about the subject anymore. It's all about your contest now.

[xmas1997]

Eh, you can't talk about the subject anymore. It's all about your contest now.

Making up fantasy contests still.

Why am I not surprised.

Why don't you attribute them to me?

Oh, you already did.

Surprise, surprise.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Making up fantasy contests still.

Why am I not surprised.

Why don't you attribute them to me?

Oh, you already did.

Surprise, surprise.

:lmaoYou're only talking about me now.

Your favorite subject.

[xmas1997]

You're only talking about me now.

Your favorite subject.

Don't kid yourself.

The only reason I am still here is because I am laughing at you so hard.

I cannot help it that you are a moron.

You do that all by your lonesome.

I am merely one of the many witnesses to it.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Don't kid yourself.

The only reason I am still here is because I am laughing at you so hard.

I cannot help it that you are a moron.

You do that all by your lonesome.

I am merely one of the many witnesses to it.

:lmaoKeep posting about me.

You can't help yourself.

[xmas1997]

Keep posting about me.

You can't help yourself.

Keep telling lies, you can't help it.

[ChumpDumper]

Keep telling lies, you can't help it.I'm saying you keep posting about me.

Are you trying to deny it?

Yes or no.

Or just post more about me.

[xmas1997]

I'm saying you keep posting about me.

Are you trying to deny it?

Yes or no.

Or just post more about me.

No, you aren't saying anything, that is your problem, you never do, except lies.

Own up to it.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

No, you aren't saying anything, that is your problem, you never do, except lies.

Own up to it.

:lmaoI'm saying you keep posting about me.

You can't deny it.

[xmas1997]

I'm saying you keep posting about me.

You can't deny it.

It doesn't matter what you say.

Because what you say isn't the truth, it never is.

You should just say nothing.

You would be better off.

:lmao

[RD2191]

:lolGoing at it in 2 different threads. One day I will tell my grandchildren of the great chump/xmas feud of 2014. xmas being the victor of course.

[ChumpDumper]

:lolGoing at it in 2 different threads. One day I will tell my grandchildren of the great chump/xmas feud of 2014. xmas being the victor of course.God's going to kill you for touching yourself long before that.

[xmas1997]

God's going to kill you for touching yourself long before that.

You should go to bed, it's past your bedtime.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You should go to bed, it's past your bedtime.

:lmaoIt's his religion's dogma. Don't disrespect it.

[RD2191]

God's going to kill you for touching yourself long before that.
No he won't. And when did i say I touch myself? I said I watched porn and got laid. You know, things men that aren't losers like you do.

[xmas1997]

No he won't. And when did i say I touch myself? I said I watched porn and got laid. You know, things men that aren't losers like you do.

:lmao:lmao:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

No he won't. And when did i say I touch myself? I said I watched porn and got laid. You know, things men that aren't losers like you do.lol pretty defensive there.

OK, God will kill you for all those sins you are man enough to admit to. You choose them over God knowing full well he will make you cease to exist.

You choose those things over God.

God.

Do you realize what you are doing?

[RD2191]

lol pretty defensive there.

OK, God will kill you for all those sins you are man enough to admit to. You choose them over God knowing full well he will make you cease to exist.

You choose those things over God.

God.

Do you realize what you are doing?
yes, I am living my life the way I want to live it. If I have to pay for it with my life then that is my choice and my right. I however will not blame God seeing as I know his laws/rules and do not follow them. As I said before, I hope that one day I will change.

[ChumpDumper]

yes, I am living my life the way I want to live it. If I have to pay for it with my life then that is my choice and my right. I however will not blame God seeing as I know his laws/rules and do not follow them. As I said before, I hope that one day I will change.Hope?

This is all on you.

You either change or you don't.

You already have the knowledge, so you already made your choice.

You have made the choice not to exist.

[xmas1997]

yes, I am living my life the way I want to live it. If I have to pay for it with my life then that is my choice and my right. I however will not blame God seeing as I know his laws/rules and do not follow them. As I said before, I hope that one day I will change.

And he thinks he knows all about JW dogma when he couldn't even grasp the first sentence of what I posted about his Christian dogma faux pas.

:lmao

[xmas1997]

Because some on here are totally confused about a certain point on here concerning "dogma", I won't mention any names but his initial starts with a "c", I am posting a difference between "dogma" and what he thinks is dogma but is actually "doctrine" especially his faux pas (intellectual blunder) concerning Rob's statement that "c" attributes mistakenly to a J. W. "dogma", here it is:

DOGMA/DOCTRINE


Although in many contexts “dogma” and “doctrine” are used interchangeably, in technical theological contexts “dogma” has a narrower meaning: a doctrine which has been given official status by a religious body. Especially in the Catholic Church dogmas are required beliefs whereas many other less firmly established beliefs are only doctrines.


Nonspecialists writing about religion often ignore the distinction, and call a doctrine which has not received such official status a “dogma.” Since only some doctrines are dogmas but all dogmas are doctrines and since “dogma” often has negative connotations, it’s safer in non-technical religious contexts to stick with “doctrine.”

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/dogma.html

The rest of his questions, links, and what-have-you, are trivial nonsense which he wants to spin into truths, yet FAILS to bring weight to and are no less than lies at best.

This is the gospel truth of the matter and the last it should be brought up because the truth is all there in the threads to back me up, and is a waste of time to go and find it!

If you choose not to believe me even though it is there, then fine, no skin off my back, but I won't stoop to his petty childish immature games because that is all they are.

I will laugh a lot at his foolishness and his defcon 1 melt down however.

:lmao:rollin:lol< Here are the emoticons to exemplify it.

[it's me]

yes, I am living my life the way I want to live it. If I have to pay for it with my life then that is my choice and my right. I however will not blame God seeing as I know his laws/rules and do not follow them. As I said before, I hope that one day I will change.

So you will pretty much your life will end up same way as the atheists according to your "logic" ....so you believe in eternal life if you do good, but if you do bad eternal life is canceled and eternal torment in hell doesn't exist. How convenient. :lmao

[Blake]

So you will pretty much your life will end up same way as the atheists according to your "logic" ....so you believe in eternal life if you do good, but if you do bad eternal life is canceled and eternal torment in hell doesn't exist. How convenient. :lmao

it'd be hilarious to see gays move in next door to rob in heaven......errrr....I mean "new earth".

[cantthinkofanything]

it'd be hilarious to see gays move in next door to rob in heaven......errrr....I mean "new earth".

that sounds like the premise for a sitcom. "Heaven's Gayts" maybe...

[RandomGuy]

I don't have to elucidate anything. Why is a question that exists. You must be pretending when you say there is no why? because clearly you have not only asked that question yourself but answered it for yourself (raising kids, improving the world yada yada).



Actually you do need to explain "why what", if you want an answer. I can think of several things you *could* mean, but I would not want to spend time on that, when the onus of communication here is on you.

I am simply telling you that you are not making yourself understood to me. I do not know what exactly you are asking.

If you are unable to communicate that, or worse, unwilling, then there is nothing I feel overly compelled to answer, and strutting around like you have somehow "stumped the atheist" just looks foolish.

So, are you going to expand or elucidate, or continue to stroke your ego?

[RandomGuy]

I have no interest in reading it, as I said before, I am satisfied with the Bible and its teaching/message. If one day I am not, I will look elsewhere.

So, you have no idea if you are wrong or not. If your reason is that the "prophecies" of the bible are the best out of all the potential prophecies, and you have no clue as to what those others are, you might be missing something critically important.

Your answer is, essentially, "it makes me feel good about myself".

Not really very compelling answer, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

I agree with you completely. There are many such books such as the Torah and the Kabala, to name a couple more.

Eyup, and they are all pretty much primitive, ignorant attempts to explain the universe, just like the bible. We probably diverge on that point.

None of them has made any valid claim to having good evidence about the existence of God. Fun to read, as mythology is, but I just can't take any of it seriously.

[xmas1997]

Seek and you shall find, to me means to not be satisfied and content to settle for the information in the first book on any subject while doing your due diligent research on any sunject, it is merely the "first" book looked at among a long line of books that should be looked at in order to arrive at an objective over all complete knowledge of the truth of anything, be it evolution, religion, or even dish washiners.

This is why when searching for the truth with respect to God, the Bible, if it is the first one you study, should definitely not be the last book you study, it is merely a foundation, and not an "end-all" IMHO.

[RandomGuy]

Although if you can answer my previous question about why it was advantageous for all higher forms of life to lose the ability to photosynthesize light, that would be cool. Higher organisms that retained the ability to be both autotrophic and heterotrophic should have a great advantage over those that are only heterotrophic, yet they don't exist.

You will have to show how and why you assert that all unicellular life was photosynthetic, for me to really want to answer that question, which requires this assertion to be true to be valid.

Your underlying assumption is that "all higher life evolved from autotrophs". You have a burden of proof to demonstrate this first.

I am not overly familiar with the ins and outs, and mostly just require a basic flushing out. I will be happy to do a bit of reading, though.

[RandomGuy]

What is my record,....40 pages?

I wanna break it.

Fuck evolution, bored with it.

So how old were you when you first got laid and was it better than you thought it would be or were you disappointed?

I noticed you ignored the stages of rat development that I posted.

Why is that?

You asked for evidence, you were given it, and have ignored it.

Proves to me you aren't serious about it.

I will ask again, does the truth matter to you?

[RandomGuy]

Hmmmm?


While we don't really know what a missing link is (or was), we can know what they should be. As each type evolves into something else, there should be numerous in-between types, each stage gaining more and more traits of the descendant while losing traits of the ancestor.
If some type of fish evolved into some type of amphibian, there should have been distinct steps along the way of 90% fish/10% amphibian; then 80% fish/20% amphibian; etc., leading to the 100% amphibians we have today. You would suspect that unless evolution has completely stopped, there might even be some transitional links alive today, but certainly they lived and thrived for a while in the past before they were replaced.

Gave you the information. You ignored it.

Further, a lot of those intermediate links are still alive today. Evolution does not posit that things have to be "replaced".

Ignoring evidence, and simply doubling down on fucktarded ignorance.

I sense a pattern here.

[RandomGuy]

Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

LOL "free will".

"Do what I want, or I will do something horrible to you".

This is the Christian bible's explicit threat, and it is not alone in that. Cults of all types sustain themselves through such threats.

Why should anyone worship an extortionist who craves worship?

[RandomGuy]

Seek and you shall find, to me means to not be satisfied and content to settle for the information in the first book on any subject while doing your due diligent research on any sunject, it is merely the "first" book looked at among a long line of books that should be looked at in order to arrive at an objective over all complete knowledge of the truth of anything, be it evolution, religion, or even dish washiners.

This is why when searching for the truth with respect to God, the Bible, if it is the first one you study, should definitely not be the last book you study, it is merely a foundation, and not an "end-all" IMHO.

I have sought.

Seems to me if there is some god in the universe trying to get in touch with me, it could do a far better job of demonstrating its existence.

If it existed it would know exactly what it would take to convince me, but has chosen to not do that.

Why is this thing being such a dick?

[SnakeBoy]

Actually you do need to explain "why what", if you want an answer. I can think of several things you *could* mean, but I would not want to spend time on that, when the onus of communication here is on you.

I am simply telling you that you are not making yourself understood to me. I do not know what exactly you are asking.

If you are unable to communicate that, or worse, unwilling, then there is nothing I feel overly compelled to answer, and strutting around like you have somehow "stumped the atheist" just looks foolish.

So, are you going to expand or elucidate, or continue to stroke your ego?

lol I don't need to explain what I am asking you because I am not asking you anything. Why is a question that exists and has always been the hardest question for Man to answer. The fact that you are confused about this is your problem, not mine, and no reason for you lash out at me.

[xmas1997]

I have sought.

Seems to me if there is some god in the universe trying to get in touch with me, it could do a far better job of demonstrating its existence.

If it existed it would know exactly what it would take to convince me, but has chosen to not do that.

Why is this thing being such a dick?

:lol That is okay.

I can give you hypothetical reasons why you haven't found Him yet in your life, but that is the best I can do for you.

Could it be that you are seeking something that you can wrap your mind around to the extent that you can know an entity that is for the most part unfathomable?

Maybe you want this entity to be more human-like.

You may have preconceived notions about this entity that you have to get past before you can "find" Him.

You might be looking all "around and above" you whereas you should be looking "within" you.

Or maybe you have expectations that He should be easy to find, because if He were easy to find, then you would more than likely take Him for granted and go your merry way.

For sure, it is far easier to believe no such entity exists, than that He does, because He would be beyond tangible proofs for the most part.
In any case, neither He nor anyone else is concerned whether you have found Him or not yet, because eventually you will, while you are alive, or after you die IMHO.

I know this probably doesn't help you much at this point, and for that I apologize, but relax, if it bothers you, because it is like death in that when your time comes, it is your time, and He will be there for you.
The important thing is that you seek, rather than take the easy way out and be apathetic.

And I believe God has a fantastic sense of humor.
Why? Because we do and He created us in His image, so I advise laughing more often about it because that is the healthy thing to do, worry never solved anything.

[Blake]

lol I don't need to explain what I am asking you because I am not asking you anything. Why is a question that exists and has always been the hardest question for Man to answer. The fact that you are confused about this is your problem, not mine, and no reason for you lash out at me.

"why" only exists for people that believe in a creator.

Pretty simple

[ChumpDumper]

Because some on here are totally confused about a certain point on here concerning "dogma", I won't mention any names but his initial starts with a "c", I am posting a difference between "dogma" and what he thinks is dogma but is actually "doctrine" especially his faux pas (intellectual blunder) concerning Rob's statement that "c" attributes mistakenly to a J. W. "dogma", here it is:

DOGMA/DOCTRINE


Although in many contexts “dogma” and “doctrine” are used interchangeably, in technical theological contexts “dogma” has a narrower meaning: a doctrine which has been given official status by a religious body. Especially in the Catholic Church dogmas are required beliefs whereas many other less firmly established beliefs are only doctrines.


Nonspecialists writing about religion often ignore the distinction, and call a doctrine which has not received such official status a “dogma.” Since only some doctrines are dogmas but all dogmas are doctrines and since “dogma” often has negative connotations, it’s safer in non-technical religious contexts to stick with “doctrine.”

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/dogma.html

The rest of his questions, links, and what-have-you, are trivial nonsense which he wants to spin into truths, yet FAILS to bring weight to and are no less than lies at best.

This is the gospel truth of the matter and the last it should be brought up because the truth is all there in the threads to back me up, and is a waste of time to go and find it!

If you choose not to believe me even though it is there, then fine, no skin off my back, but I won't stoop to his petty childish immature games because that is all they are.

I will laugh a lot at his foolishness and his defcon 1 melt down however.

:lmao:rollin:lol< Here are the emoticons to exemplify it.Rob was repeating dogma.

Thanks for confirming it.

[Blake]

And I believe God has a fantastic sense of humor.
Why? Because we do and He created us in His image.

not everyone has a sense of humor

[xmas1997]

Rob was repeating dogma.

Thanks for confirming it.

Wrong, he was talking about JW "doctrine" not dogma, and I just explained why there really is NO JW dogma to speak of.

But if you can find a link somewhere in this universe, then by all means cite it so I can change my mind about it.

I have looked, I have researched it, and I cannot find any dogma beyond the "commomnly held dogmas" shared by all of Christianity that I already elucidated but you refused to read.

No, you just made it up that I confirmed it.

I just now confirmed you were wrong and lied.

[xmas1997]

not everyone has a sense of humor

I disagree. I believe we all do to a greater or lessor extent.

Just because we ourselves might not recognize it as such according to our own preconceived notions does not mean it does not exist.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong, he was talking about JW "doctrine" not dogma, and I just explained why there really is NO JW dogma to speak of.

But if you can find a link somewhere in this universe, then by all means cite it so I can change my mind about it.

I have looked, I have researched it, and I cannot find any dogma beyond the "commomnly held dogmas" shared by all of Christianity that I already elucidated but you refused to read.Take it up with Webster's

dog·ma noun \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
: a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted

: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization
plural dog·mas also dog·ma·ta



lol

[xmas1997]

"why" only exists for people that believe in a creator.

Pretty simple

I do not understand this statement of yours.

I thought how, why, when, where, and what were all questions that science was best at handling.

The "Press" is pretty good at it too.

[SnakeBoy]

I have sought.

Seems to me if there is some god in the universe trying to get in touch with me, it could do a far better job of demonstrating its existence.

If it existed it would know exactly what it would take to convince me, but has chosen to not do that.

Why is this thing being such a dick?

Why would you think an omnipotent being would exist to serve you?

[xmas1997]

Take it up with Webster's

dog·ma noun \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
: a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted

: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization
plural dog·mas also dog·ma·ta



lol

I already debunked your shallow use of the dictionary "generalized" definition of dogma earlier that you refused to read, probably because you were too shallow yourself to read it.

But I can post it again just for you if you're going to continue to stand behind your ignorance.

I underlined why your definition fails big time, it is too general to be used on a "specific" denomination such as the JWs.

[ChumpDumper]

I already debunked your shallow use of the dictionary "generalized" definition of dogma earlier that you refused to read, probably because you were too shallow yourself to read it.

But I can post it again just for you if you're going to stand behind your ignorance.And I can post the definition again if you want to make it a contest.

[xmas1997]

And I can post the definition again if you want to make it a contest.

You're the only one here bringing up it being some sort of contest, not me.

And you are the only one making some sort of mythical issue of it being contest.

And the truth is, no one except you is even mistaking it for a "contest", this is all in your mind only, and probably explains why you are melting down so much over it. :lol

I am merely educating you to the truth of the matter where you are wrong and continue to make a faux pas.

If you want to sidestep the truth and lean on misconceptions and falsehoods, that is purely your loss, no one else'.

So do you need me to re-post the proper and true definition? I can, and just for you.

I can also re-post how many times you have called this and implied this was a "contest" if you want.

Just say the word.

[xmas1997]

You quoted Avante and said this was "Christian dogma".
And then when I disputed it you gave me this "generalized" definition of "dogma", but that is much different than Christian dogma as you shall see.

First off your definition applies to all religions, not just Christianity.
But it is still a good starting place.

There are many "denominations" within the umbrella term of Christianity, the largest of which are: Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestantism.
Within Protestantism are: Lutherans, Protestants, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and Baptists, etc.
Within Baptists are: Disciples of Christ, Churches of Christ, Evangelical Christian Chrs. and others.
And there are what I call the "fringe" Christian denominations such as: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, nondenominational, and Holy Rollers, etc.

All of these denominations have their own particular sets of dogma and/or more likely "doctrines containing dogma", and for the most part do not agree with each other except on a few select sets of "commonly shared dogma".

Commonly shared Christian dogma
1. belief in God the Father, the Son of God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
2. God is eternal, always existed, holy, sinless, and does not lie.
3. the Incarnation - the Son of God became flesh.
4. Baptism - forgiveness of original sin.
5. the Resurrection - the Son of God died for the sins of mankind and came back to life so that we might receive eternal life with the Father.
6. the Ascension - the resurrected Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven in His resurrected body.
7. the Transfiguration -where Jesus Christ is "shown physically" to be the Son of God.

Everything else, including the Bible is hotly contested and thus does not fall under the Common Christian dogma umbrella.
You later quoted something about one of the Ten Commandments, but even those are not all agreed on by all the denominations because Biblical interpretaions vary so widely from sect to sect within Christianity..
For example: Protestants believe as dogma "sola scriptura" - that the Bible is necessary for their salvation and holiness. Whereas the Anglicans and Methodists believe as dogma "prima scriptura" - where the Bible is "illumined" by tradition, reason, and experience.
Some sects believe in total strict literalism such as many of the Baptists and some of the "fringe" sects mentioned above like the Jehovah Witnesses and Pentecostals, etc., while the Mormons, SDAs, etc. while accepting as dogma the seven mentioned above, also have another "book" they believe as dogma along with the bible.

So when you consider all this and attempt to get a "Christian worldview" you must consider more than just one denominations dogmas, because it is inclusive in that it is the framework of ideas, dogmas, creeds, and beliefs that Christians interpret and interact with the world.

Whereas the "Biblical worldview" is much the same with one major difference, it views life through the "lens" of God's Word, the Bible, and that it is inspired, inerrant, and infallible.
Not all the denominations subscribe to this Biblical worldview in the same way or degree.

So Christian dogma is widely varied, hotly contested, interpreted in many different ways, and very little is commonly agreed upon, yet the seven that are agreed on are considered true principals that do not change.

Just for you, chump.

Now do you finally understand the difference?

You should if you have any intelligence at all!

:lol

[Blake]

I do not understand this statement of yours.

I thought how, why, when, where, and what were all questions that science was best at handling.

The "Press" is pretty good at it too.

Science or the Press weren't mentioned in the discussion

[xmas1997]

Science or the Press weren't mentioned in the discussion

I know they weren't, and that is precisely why I mentioned them, in order to attempt to put things in proper perspective.

[Blake]

I know they weren't, and that is precisely why I mentioned them, in order to attempt to put things in proper perspective.

They're irrelevant in the discussion I'm having with snakeboy

[SnakeBoy]

They're irrelevant in the discussion I'm having with snakeboy

You're not having a discussion with me, you're just pretending.

Why do you exist?

[xmas1997]

They're irrelevant in the discussion I'm having with snakeboy

I got you, my bad.

I just thought it was relevant to the discussion is all, the only reason I brought it up.

[SnakeBoy]

I got you, my bad.

I just thought it was relevant to the discussion is all, the only reason I brought it up.

Blake is pretending the question why doesn't exist. He doesn't get that no matter what his answer is it will only reveal that he has asked himself that question. Thus proving that the question exists.

[Blake]

You're not having a discussion with me, you're just pretending.

Why do you exist?

"there is no purpose for our existence."

You're pretending my answer doesn't exist.

[Blake]

Blake is pretending the question why doesn't exist. He doesn't get that no matter what his answer is it will only reveal that he has asked himself that question. Thus proving that the question exists.

We're all born atheists.

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that in a vacuum, a person who has never thought about creation might only ask "how", never bothering to ask "why"

[xmas1997]

Blake is pretending the question why doesn't exist. He doesn't get that no matter what his answer is it will only reveal that he has asked himself that question. Thus proving that the question exists.

Well, partly, except for the last part, that was what I thought as well, and what promted me to make the comment that I did.

You understood why I said what I said, didn't you?

Was it relevant to you, or not? I won't be offended by your or his answer, and I meant no offense or contentiousness by the comment.

I have no emotional investment in it either way.

[xmas1997]

We're all born atheists.

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that in a vacuum, a person who has never thought about creation might only ask "how", never bothering to ask "why"

I mean no disrespect to either of you, and have no intention for answering your question for him when I say that your contention is reasonable.

But in order to fully understand something, I think it is also reasonable to also ask "why", as well as "when", "what", and "where" in order for a more thorough understanding of anything and of any subject, event, or action IMHO.

[RD2191]

LOL "free will".

"Do what I want, or I will do something horrible to you".

This is the Christian bible's explicit threat, and it is not alone in that. Cults of all types sustain themselves through such threats.

Why should anyone worship an extortionist who craves worship?
That is your opinion and a wrong one. If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that your statement is inaccurate and a lie. You do not understand anything about the Bible.

[RandomGuy]

Why would you think an omnipotent being would exist to serve you?

How do you know it is omnipotent?

I have no idea what "God" is or isn't, or wants or doesn't want. *IF* it existed, *AND* it wanted to get me to believe in it, surely it would know how.

Unfortunately, since it has not, it has made itself indistinguishable from something that doesn't exist, since something that does not exist has no more way of communicating with me than pink unicorns do.

FWIW, omnipotence is logically impossible. Even were a God to exist, it would not be omnipotent. You should catch up on modern theology, as most serious theologians have retreated from this assertion.

[SnakeBoy]

Well, partly, except for the last part, that was what I thought as well, and what promted me to make the comment that I did.

You understood why I said what I said, didn't you?

Was it relevant to you, or not? I won't be offended by your or his answer, and I meant no offense or contentiousness by the comment.

I have no emotional investment in it either way.

I don't see anything offensive or contentious with your post. I'm not emotionally invested either, just a little amused watching Blake answer a question that he says doesn't exist.

[RD2191]

Lol, all born atheists yet countless amounts of ancient civilizations believed in God/Gods/creator. :lol

[RD2191]

its's me change your attitude and I might answer some of your questions. As for Blake quit being a faggot and I might answer some of yours.

[RandomGuy]

:lol That is okay.

I can give you hypothetical reasons why you haven't found Him yet in your life, but that is the best I can do for you.

Could it be that you are seeking something that you can wrap your mind around to the extent that you can know an entity that is for the most part unfathomable?

Maybe you want this entity to be more human-like.

You may have preconceived notions about this entity that you have to get past before you can "find" Him.

You might be looking all "around and above" you whereas you should be looking "within" you.

Or maybe you have expectations that He should be easy to find, because if He were easy to find, then you would more than likely take Him for granted and go your merry way.

For sure, it is far easier to believe no such entity exists, than that He does, because He would be beyond tangible proofs for the most part.
In any case, neither He nor anyone else is concerned whether you have found Him or not yet, because eventually you will, while you are alive, or after you die IMHO.

I know this probably doesn't help you much at this point, and for that I apologize, but relax, if it bothers you, because it is like death in that when your time comes, it is your time, and He will be there for you.
The important thing is that you seek, rather than take the easy way out and be apathetic.

And I believe God has a fantastic sense of humor.
Why? Because we do and He created us in His image, so I advise laughing more often about it because that is the healthy thing to do, worry never solved anything.

I don't make any assumptions about "God", since I have not seen any evidence for its existence, and the people proposing such tend to suck at justifying their beliefs and complete lack of evidence. I don't think I will bother with expending any real energy positing characteristics, other than to note what I have already.

[RandomGuy]

Lol, all born atheists yet countless amounts of ancient civilizations believed in God/Gods/creator. :lol

They all believed that magic spirits made people sick too.

This is known as an "appeal to popularity" logical fallacy.


description of Appeal to Popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.

Countless civilizations have believed in God, therefore God must exist.

Sorry. Add this bit to the fail pile as yet another useless idea.

[RD2191]

They all believed that magic spirits made people sick too.

This is known as an "appeal to popularity" logical fallacy.



Countless civilizations have believed in God, therefore God must exist.

Sorry. Add this bit to the fail pile as yet another useless idea.
And? That has nothing to do with them believing in God/creator.

Scientist used to claim smoking was beneficial for your health. What about piltdown man? Lucy? Nebraska man? By your logic science is full of shit.

[RandomGuy]

lol I don't need to explain what I am asking you because I am not asking you anything. Why is a question that exists and has always been the hardest question for Man to answer. The fact that you are confused about this is your problem, not mine, and no reason for you lash out at me.

So you are unwilling to bother to explain.

Fair enough. Do not expect me to bother answering your questions any further.

I have no need to lash out, but it was *your* question. Most people with any decency or sense would say that the burden lies on your end to make sure that your own question is understood if you want it answered.

Your attempts to do a victory dance because "RG/atheists can't answer my question" is pretty obviously more to suit your ego, than any attempt at getting at a greater truth.

Fuck off, the grown ups are talking.

(well maybe not, Rob seems to have given up doing anything other than trying to make himself feel better too. sad.)

[RandomGuy]

And? That has nothing to do with them believing in God/creator.

Scientist used to claim smoking was beneficial for your health. What about piltdown man? Lucy? Nebraska man? By your logic science is full of shit.

More fails. Science uncovered the truth in each of those cases, and rather quickly. Lucy is actually not any kind of fraud, except to creationists with their fingers in their ears going "la-la-la".

Far from "proving science is wrong", they merely reinforce the self-correcting, superior ability of science to accurately portray the universe as it exists.

Your theology can't even get you to admit that slaughtering children is evil, even when given evidence that it clearly is so by any reasonable definition.

Morally and intellectually bankrupt philosophy should be discarded, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

That is your opinion and a wrong one. If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that your statement is inaccurate and a lie. You do not understand anything about the Bible.

Then by all means correct me.

What does God require for your resurrection?

[xmas1997]

How do you know it is omnipotent?

I have no idea what "God" is or isn't, or wants or doesn't want. *IF* it existed, *AND* it wanted to get me to believe in it, surely it would know how.

Unfortunately, since it has not, it has made itself indistinguishable from something that doesn't exist, since something that does not exist has no more way of communicating with me than pink unicorns do.

FWIW, omnipotence is logically impossible. Even were a God to exist, it would not be omnipotent. You should catch up on modern theology, as most serious theologians have retreated from this assertion.

I think omnipotence is logically unfathomable to us, rather than logically impossible.

I see no logical reason to think that an omnipotent God could not exist.

If something can be imagined by the human mind, then it can be a reality, somewhere in this vast universe, even unicorns.

Probable, ....... maybe, and then again maybe not. But I am not willing to casually dismiss it as an impossibility when I honestly do not know for a surety.

We may discover unicorns in the future on some other planet, who knows?

But then why use your imagination at all if what you say is true, purely for recreational purposes solely?

No, if the human mind can "imagine" something, anything, no matter how improbable it is or seems to be, then that idea had to come from somewhere in the first place IMHO, and thus it just might have a basis in reality somewhere as well, even if only in another dimension if nothing else.

[RD2191]

More fails. Science uncovered the truth in each of those cases, and rather quickly. Lucy is actually not any kind of fraud, except to creationists with their fingers in their ears going "la-la-la".

Far from "proving science is wrong", they merely reinforce the self-correcting, superior ability of science to accurately portray the universe as it exists.

Your theology can't even get you to admit that slaughtering children is evil, even when given evidence that it clearly is so by any reasonable definition.

Morally and intellectually bankrupt philosophy should be discarded, IMO.
Lol, I don't buy that crap. of course scientist are going to claim they didn't get anything wrong.


Wrong again, and it was not in any way/shape/form murder. You simply do not understand what you are reading or choose to be willfully ignorant.

And tell me this, how in any way does evolution help humanity? I understand learning about diseases/viruses and things like that but I mean simply believing that you came from the ocean and are simply an more evolved ape?

[RD2191]

Then by all means correct me.

What does God require for your resurrection?
From my understanding, repentance and baptism and also following and living by his laws/principles.

[RandomGuy]

From my understanding, repentance and baptism and also following and living by his laws/principles.

So God wants these things from us?