Evolution...?

[Blake]

Don't the "vast majority" believe in a God?

Dude, the Hail Mary thing is beyond stupid, ok?

You're in the minority little guy.


LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - A Gallup poll from May, 2014, has some insights into what Americans believe about human origins. The vast majority of Americans believe that God was involved in creation, either by guiding human evolution or by creating humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

Only a distinct minority, about 19 percent, believe that God had no role in human creation, essentially an atheistic view.

What makes you think that your god didn't use evolution as a tool for creation?

[Blake]

Lol editing after you realizing "evolution" was in that piece

[Avante]

What makes you think that your god didn't use evolution as a tool for creation?

I'll be damn two intelligent remarks (need 8 in playoffs) in two days, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've thought of that as have others, but it would shoot holes in the Bible teachings. You do have something there.

[Avante]

Lol editing after you realizing "evolution" was in that piece

And ya had a roll going, nope, I didn't read any further than what I posted.

[Blake]

I'll be damn two intelligent remarks (need 8 in playoffs) in two days, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've thought of that as have others, but it would shoot holes in the Bible teachings. You do have something there.

But you don't believe in the Bible. You make fun of it.

Contradicting yourself over and again is unintelligent.

[Blake]

And ya had a roll going, nope, I didn't read any further than what I posted.

Well you should have. Even the Pope has come around to evolution.

[spurraider21]

Don't the "vast majority" believe in a God?
sure. like i've said probably over 100 times in these discussions, i have never made the claim that "god doesn't exist." Most scientists don't say "god doesn't exist."

you keep trying to combine the god argument with evolution, when i keep telling you to keep them separate. of course, the god as described in the bible (which you yourself have called a load of crap) does conflict with science, but i'm speaking of a god in general, not necessarily that rendition of god.

it is perfectly possible to believe in a god and still understand evolution. Chinook has been absent from ST, but he's among that group I just described.


Of course, I also think its important to separate personal beliefs from something which people study. you can construct a rational argument for the existence of a god (i will again use chinook as an example of this), sure. but there isn't much we can actually learn about god. there's nothing to study, nothing to observe. its an internal argument and belief.

evolution is something that has come about as a result of evidence. we learn more and more about it as the years go on. our understanding of the fossil record, of the genetic record enhance every year. you can observe fossils in chronological order to see changes over time in species. if you combine genetic variation + time, evolution is sort of inevitable.

but i want to re-emphasize that nobody here is claiming "god doesn't exist." you need to understand that the two can coexist. you have made this same mistake over a dozen times already. cut it out.


Dude, the Hail Mary thing is beyond stupid, ok?
i understand its silly, but i'm trying to demonstrate a point which you keep missing. it is not even arguable that a vast majority of scientists support evolution.

similarly, a vast majority of hail mary plays fail. just because i can post 500 videos of successful hail mary plays, that doesn't change the fact that it almost always fails.

so while you keep posting names of scientists (just like me theoretically posting videos of successful hail mary plays), it doesn't change the fact that a vast majority of scientists support evolution (just like how a vast majority of hail mary plays fail)

[spurraider21]

I'll be damn two intelligent remarks (need 8 in playoffs) in two days, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've thought of that as have others, but it would shoot holes in the Bible teachings. You do have something there.
that shouldn't bother you at all. you yourself have said the bible is manmade and the stories full of crap

[Avante]

But you don't believe in the Bible. You make fun of it.

Contradicting yourself over and again is unintelligent.

Just when I was thinking...."he's not as dumb as I thought"....ya go and fuck up.

Stupid.......nobody knows anything at all about how legit any of this stuff is, ok little man? I don't care if others need to believe in the Bible, I wouldn't try and talk them out of it because I don't have a clue......either.

I do go with....God....because it's just the easy way to go.

Damn you're back to...DUH!

[Avante]

that shouldn't bother you at all. you yourself have said the bible is manmade and the stories full of crap

I'm....OBVIOUSLY...not talking about me half pint. I'm....OBVIOUSLY...talking about the masses.

[Avante]

sure. like i've said probably over 100 times in these discussions, i have never made the claim that "god doesn't exist." Most scientists don't say "god doesn't exist."

you keep trying to combine the god argument with evolution, when i keep telling you to keep them separate. of course, the god as described in the bible (which you yourself have called a load of crap) does conflict with science, but i'm speaking of a god in general, not necessarily that rendition of god.

it is perfectly possible to believe in a god and still understand evolution. Chinook has been absent from ST, but he's among that group I just described.


Of course, I also think its important to separate personal beliefs from something which people study. you can construct a rational argument for the existence of a god (i will again use chinook as an example of this), sure. but there isn't much we can actually learn about god. there's nothing to study, nothing to observe. its an internal argument and belief.

evolution is something that has come about as a result of evidence. we learn more and more about it as the years go on. our understanding of the fossil record, of the genetic record enhance every year. you can observe fossils in chronological order to see changes over time in species. if you combine genetic variation + time, evolution is sort of inevitable.

but i want to re-emphasize that nobody here is claiming "god doesn't exist." you need to understand that the two can coexist. you have made this same mistake over a dozen times already. cut it out.


i understand its silly, but i'm trying to demonstrate a point which you keep missing. it is not even arguable that a vast majority of scientists support evolution.

similarly, a vast majority of hail mary plays fail. just because i can post 500 videos of successful hail mary plays, that doesn't change the fact that it almost always fails.

so while you keep posting names of scientists (just like me theoretically posting videos of successful hail mary plays), it doesn't change the fact that a vast majority of scientists support evolution (just like how a vast majority of hail mary plays fail)


Didn't you once tell me it doesn't matter what the ....vast majority....believe? Wasn't that you?

Are we sure that vast majority still buy into the theory of evolution today in 2014? As we saw the vast majority of Americans do believe in God.

[spurraider21]

I do go with....God....because it's just the easy way to go.
thats cool man. but it doesn't have to come at the expense of evolution which actually has evidential support behind it. the belief in god doesn't require the disbelief in evolution... and the belief in evolution doesn't require the disbelief in god.

the only time this doesn't hold true is if we are talking about the biblical god, which we all know you don't believe in at all


Adam and Eve is a man made story not unlike what Homer wrote, mythology. The Bible was man made.


The Illiad is a great story, just a sucky read. So who was Homer?

Obviously The Bible was a man made writing it had zero to do with anyone divine. But who did actually write it? The same with The Koran, hell no the Angel Gabriel wasn't the translator between Allah and Mohammad who could neither read or write, so who actually wrote it?

Where did Odin, Zeus, Jupiter, Hercules, Thor, Apollo, Venus, Loki, Mercury actually come from? Who originates those stories? Who wrote....The Arabian Nights, Sinbad, Aladdin and the Magic Lamp..?

H.G.Wells (War of the Worlds) the great British sci fi writer is considered the father of the genre but was he really? Robert E. Howard (Conan) the Texan is considered the father of ...sword & sorcery...but was he really? They came long after Homer, The Bible/Koran and the Myths.

[spurraider21]

Didn't you once tell me it doesn't matter what the ....vast majority....believe? Wasn't that you?
if you read my post, you would have caught this tidbit though...

"Of course, I also think its important to separate personal beliefs from something which people study. you can construct a rational argument for the existence of a god (i will again use chinook as an example of this), sure. but there isn't much we can actually learn about god. there's nothing to study, nothing to observe. its an internal argument and belief. "

people can believe in god. but there's no way we can really study god or learn more about god (unless you want to study those man-made myths). evolution can be learned about and studied, like physics or chemistry or math

this is why i always mention scientists aka people who dedicate their livelihood to studying and learning

what some random shmuck in kentucky or idaho believes in doesn't really matter to me.

[Blake]

I'm....OBVIOUSLY...not talking about me half pint. I'm....OBVIOUSLY...talking about the masses.

Nobody ever accused sheep of being intelligent.

Fat old sheep

[Avante]

Nobody ever accused sheep of being intelligent.

Fat old sheep

Tell us all again about Nick Chubb ya fucking idiot. Post how much $$$$ we lost last season and how I'm doing now....like I said I would. Tell us all again.....I can see TT winning by two td's.

A dumb fuck like you playing critic, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

thats cool man. but it doesn't have to come at the expense of evolution which actually has evidential support behind it. the belief in god doesn't require the disbelief in evolution... and the belief in evolution doesn't require the disbelief in god.

the only time this doesn't hold true is if we are talking about the biblical god, which we all know you don't believe in at all


Why continue to play this silly game..."I never said there wasn't a God"...?

Do you believe there is a God? Yes or no?

[spurraider21]

Why continue to play this silly game..."I never said there wasn't a God"...?

Do you believe there is a God? Yes or no?
it's not a silly game, its actually a simple concept.

i don't believe there is a god. but i'm not naive enough to claim "god doesn't exist" as a fact... right now i dont believe in a god. maybe tomorrow god will show himself. that would certainly change my belief. i leave the possibility open, it would be foolish not to. in fact, it is a staple of science that you cannot prove something doesn't exist. we say "it is a fallacy to prove a negative"

It's different to say "I don't believe the Raiders will win today" and to say "It is a fact that the Raiders won't win today." Please tell me you understand the difference

[Blake]

Tell us all again about Nick Chubb ya fucking idiot. Post how much $$$$ we lost last season and how I'm doing now....like I said I would. Tell us all again.....I can see TT winning by two td's.

A dumb fuck like you playing critic, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, you're retarded.

[Avante]

it's not a silly game, its actually a simple concept.

i don't believe there is a god. but i'm not naive enough to claim "god doesn't exist" as a fact... right now i dont believe in a god. maybe tomorrow god will show himself. that would certainly change my belief. i leave the possibility open, it would be foolish not to. in fact, it is a staple of science that you cannot prove something doesn't exist. we say "it is a fallacy to prove a negative"

It's different to say "I don't believe the Raiders will win today" and to say "It is a fact that the Raiders won't win today." Please tell me you understand the difference

Stop with the...."you understand"...bullshit, ok guy? You're a simple little shit I have no problems understanding you...ok?

You wouldn't pray to God if ya knew you were dying....right? That's all that matters. You're son is dying and you won't be..."please God...:" So no you don't buy it at all...ok?

[Avante]

Yeah, you're retarded.

You follow me around idiot, if ya didn't we'd never talk, now think faggot, ok?

[spurraider21]

Stop with the...."you understand"...bullshit, ok guy? You're a simple little shit I have no problems understanding you...ok?

You wouldn't pray to God if ya knew you were dying....right? That's all that matters. You're son is dying and you won't be..."please God...:" So no you don't buy it at all...ok?
so basically you don't understand.

and no, i wouldn't pray to Zeus if i was sick and dying. I also surely wouldn't pray to Krishna or Horus.

[Avante]

so basically you don't understand.

and no, i wouldn't pray to Zeus if i was sick and dying. I also surely wouldn't pray to Krishna or Horus.

I totally understand, and looking at what you posted below you think God is a myth. So why play stupid ass games? Just say.....hell no there is no God....because that's how you really feel about it.

So the fact the vast majority of humans who have walked this earth did believe in some God means nothing to you.....right?

[spurraider21]

Just say.....hell no there is no God....because that's how you really feel about it.
this just illustrates that you didn't understand what i posted earlier.

i dont believe that a god exists. but i'm not naive enough to make a claim that it does not exist. if you fail to draw the distinction, then you can't say "i understand"

[Avante]

this just illustrates that you didn't understand what i posted earlier.

Stop it guy...ok? You don't believe in God but wouldn't rule it out as a possibilty....right?

But.....you don't believe in God.

[spurraider21]

Stop it guy...ok? You don't believe in God but wouldn't rule it out as a possibilty....right?

But.....you don't believe in God.
bingo. just like how you probably dont believe minnesota will beat green bay this week, but you won't rule it out as a possibility.

glad we got that across. but still, the conversation has shifted from evolution to god. not sure why you are so inclined to intertwine them. the only time the two would conflict is if you are talking about the biblical god specifically

[Avante]

bingo. just like how you probably dont believe minnesota will beat green bay this week, but you won't rule it out as a possibility.

glad we got that across. but still, the conversation has shifted from evolution to god. not sure why you are so inclined to intertwine them. the only time the two would conflict is if you are talking about the biblical god specifically

The Vikes stand no chance at all, one of my ATS plays.

Try and sell....

Sure there is a God and we all evolved from little sea creatures....also.

Good luck.

[spurraider21]

:cheer

[Avante]

:cheer

"Cheerleader"

she was cute
about 6 foot tall
she had a boyfriend
he played football

she was a cheerleader
complete with pom poms
he was a QB
like to throw bombs

they'd meet up
at the school dance
end up in the backseat
his hands down her pants

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[RandomGuy]

Why continue to play this silly game..."I never said there wasn't a God"...?

Do you believe there is a God? Yes or no?

Can't tell the difference between existence and belief... LOL

https://sites.google.com/site/josblogspot/dunning-kruger-curve-640px.jpg

[Avante]

Can't tell the difference between existence and belief... LOL

https://sites.google.com/site/josblogspot/dunning-kruger-curve-640px.jpg

That was stupid amigo.

[RandomGuy]

We have how many billions of different opinions on all this?

While entertaining to watch this...."I'm the one with the real answer".......it never goes anywhere. Nobody ever..."ok you changed my mind"...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more time.

I/me....have no idea at all about how all this came about and neither does anyone else. So ya grab onto....theories...or religious beliefs none of which have ever been proven. Being it takes so many different factors to pull this off I think it's foolish to not see how it took a designer.

[B]TFallacy: Appeal to Ridicule

Also Known as: Appeal to Mockery, The Horse Laugh.

Description of Appeal to Ridicule

The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument." This line of "reasoning" has the following form:

X, which is some form of ridicule is presented (typically directed at the claim).
Therefore claim C is false..


To think it all came about by chance......how could it?

I'm no Christian, I just see their belief in that designer as being a good idea, just not that designer and all the siliness we see in the Bible. Obviously just some author similar to Homer pulling the biggest hoax of all time, not unlike the Koran.

Many years after WWIII and the earth is nothing more than a desolate place full of gases and waste, a race of aliens arrive, while going thru the rubble they come across a charred Superman comic book. Need I go on?

Actually I have changed a couple of people's minds, by simply providing evidence, and showing how ridiculous and ignorant some of the criticisms of evolutionary theory are.

There is no evidence of a designer. None.

That is why it is not a scientific idea. Given the lack of evidence for such an explanation, it is illogical to accept it. It is even further foolish to provide reasoning that is easily shown as a fallacy to support this explanation.

There are mountains of evidence supporting evolutionary theory.

[RandomGuy]

That was stupid amigo.

Nah.

Stupid is ignoring evidence, and not fully understanding a scientific theory before attempting to amateurishly debunk it.


Do you think you know enough about evolution to dismiss it as a theory?

[Avante]

Nah.

Stupid is ignoring evidence, and not fully understanding a scientific theory before attempting to amateurishly debunk it.


Do you think you know enough about evolution to dismiss it as a theory?

Do you have any idea at all about how much info we have available to us concerning evolution? We all understand the theory of evolution, there is nothing complex about it. We all evolved from a lower life form, wow....complex.

If you have some need for others to agree with your opinions on this ....why? You do know there are also a ton of stuff out there debunking the theory of evolution....right? So I'm not the only one not buying it. You also must know that a vast majority of people do believe that God is responsible for all this....right?

If you need to believe in what you do, go for it, I like billions of others don't buy it...ok?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you have any idea at all about how much info we have available to us concerning evolution? We all understand the theory of evolution, there is nothing complex about it. We all evolved from a lower life form, wow....complex.It's incredibly complex.

Way beyond your comprehension.

[RandomGuy]

Do you think you understand evolution well enough to debunk it?



[Yes, I do]

You don't.

That was my point.


The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias whereby unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. [1]

You have never demonstrated anything but the most rudimentary understanding of the science or the theory itself, and have repeatedly stated inaccurate things in regards to the topic.

That you appear to think you know enough demonstrates that you are clearly unskilled.

That you retain the illusion that you know enough to make a judgment, simply places you rather low on that sliding scale.

[Avante]

Do you think you understand evolution well enough to debunk it?




You don't.

That was my point.



You have never demonstrated anything but the most rudimentary understanding of the science or the theory itself, and have repeatedly stated inaccurate things in regards to the topic.

That you appear to think you know enough demonstrates that you are clearly unskilled.

That you retain the illusion that you know enough to make a judgment, simply places you rather low on that sliding scale.

How many ways can someone say.....only an idiot would think we came from a fish?

Do you think at all, do you possess an once of common sense? It apears ya don't. You honestly believe all living creatures have a common ancestor, are you really that far gone? Lizard scales magically turning into feathers.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! The flea and the elephant with a common ancestor, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You might have some weird need to adhere to that sort of ...obvious...bullshit, nobody with a lick of sense is going to buy it.

Why ignore..



The Theory of Evolution is not a scientific law or a law of biology. A scientific law must be 100% correct. Failure to meet only one challenge proves the law is wrong. This web page will prove that the Theory of Evolution fails many challenges, not simply one. The Theory of Evolution will never become a law of science because it is wrought with errors. This is why it is called a theory, instead of a law.The process of natural selection is not an evolutionary process. The DNA in plants and animals allows selective breeding to achieve desired results. Dogs are a good example of selective breeding. The DNA (http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/08dna02.htm) in all dogs has many recessive traits. A desired trait can be produced in dogs by selecting dogs with a particular trait to produce offspring with that trait. This specialized selective breeding can continue for generation after generation until a breed of dog is developed. This is the same as the "survival of the fittest" theory of the evolutionists. Many different types of dogs can be developed this way, but they can never develop a cat by selectively breeding dogs. Natural selection can never extend outside of the DNA limit. DNA cannot be changed into a new species by natural selection. The same process of selective breeding is done with flowers, fruits, and vegetables. New variations of the species are possible, but a new species has never been developed by science. In fact, the most modern laboratories are unable to produce a left-hand protein as found in humans and animals. Evolutionist fail to admit that no species has ever been proven to have evolved in any way. Evolution is simply pie-in-the-sky conjecture without scientific proof.


That sort of information is all over the place, we are overwelmed with it. TONS...of it, why is that? Are you trying to tell me that ...ALL...of those like the above are wrong and a nut on a silly messgeboard has the real answer, why is it I don;t buy that?

[Avante]

No end in sight....


Evolutionists say birds grew hollow bones for less weight in order to fly. How would a bird pass this long-term plan to the millions of generations in order to keep the lighter bone plan progressing? The idea that birds or anything else has million-generation evolutionary plans is childish. The evolutionary concept of growing a wing over millions of generations violates the very foundation of evolution, natural selection.Birds aren't the only species that proves the theory of natural selection to be wrong. The problem can be found in all species in one way or another. Take fish for example. We are told by evolutionists that a fish wiggled out of the sea onto dry land and became a land creature. So let's examine this idea. OK, a fish wiggles out of the sea and onto the land, but he can't breathe air. This could happen. Fish do stupid things at times. Whales keep swimming up onto the beach where they die. Do you think the whales are trying to expedite a multi-million generation plan to grow legs? That concept is stupid, but let's get back to the fish story. The gills of the fish are made for extracting oxygen from water, not from air. He chokes and gasps before flipping back into the safety of the water. Why would he do such a stupid thing? This wiggling and choking continues for millions of generation until the fish chokes less and less. His gills evolve into lungs so he can breathe air on dry land, but now he is at risk of drowning in the water. One day he simply stays out on the land and never goes back into the water. Now he is a lizard. If you believe this evolutionary nonsense, you need psychiatric help.Giant dinosaurs literally exploded onto the scene during the Triassic period. The fossil record (petrified bones found in the ground as at the Dinosaur National Park in Jensen, Utah, USA) shows no intermediate or transitional species. Where are the millions of years of fossils showing the transitional forms for dinosaurs? They do not not exist, because the dinosaurs did not evolve.

[mouse]

Avante with the


http://hinessight.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d06d123e970c-800wi

[Avante]

The thing is this mouse, we have a few here who were fed a load of crap and they don't want to accept that fact. It would mean all the time they spent with that fairy tale was a waste. So they...MUST...hang on as the rest of us deal with reality.

There is no way in hell we can trace all living creatures back to the same source, that is so stupid it's comical.

And.....what did the squid, whale, shark, turtle, swordfish evolve from?

[Avante]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdzD6_4HNuo

At what point do those of you with your heads stuck three feet up your ass over this, yank it out? How mich do you have to read and see before it hits you that you were given the wrong information?

I think it's pretty obvious that like homosexulaity which was once considered a form of mental illness and women not being able to vote, things are changing as we become more intelligent about them. Who out there really thinks anyone will be trying to sell.....we all came from little fishies....50 years from now?

There was a time not so long ago where blacks couldn't attend the University of Mississippi, so what happened? Yep, we matured as a people beyond that barabaric way of thinking. Well this is no different, we are outgrowing this ridiculous....theory of evolution. First off look at how long it has remained just a theory, there is a reason for that....IT CAN'T BE PROVEN....because it never happened.

Ok I'm done with this, if you are simply unwilling to come up to speed and must....but I was taught......go for it. I prefer reality, how things really are. I was taught....I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United State of.............see things are constantly changing, when did Darwin come up with his bullshit....we really haven't learned anything since then about this, hell yes we have so why not pay attention to it?

See ya~~~~~~~:lobt2:

[spurraider21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdzD6_4HNuo
you didnt watch this video

[spurraider21]

How many ways can someone say.....only an idiot would think we came from a fish?

Do you think at all, do you possess an once of common sense? It apears ya don't. You honestly believe all living creatures have a common ancestor, are you really that far gone? Lizard scales magically turning into feathers.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! The flea and the elephant with a common ancestor, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You might have some weird need to adhere to that sort of ...obvious...bullshit, nobody with a lick of sense is going to buy it.

Why ignore..



The Theory of Evolution is not a scientific law or a law of biology. A scientific law must be 100% correct. Failure to meet only one challenge proves the law is wrong. This web page will prove that the Theory of Evolution fails many challenges, not simply one. The Theory of Evolution will never become a law of science because it is wrought with errors. This is why it is called a theory, instead of a law.The process of natural selection is not an evolutionary process. The DNA in plants and animals allows selective breeding to achieve desired results. Dogs are a good example of selective breeding. The DNA (http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/08dna02.htm) in all dogs has many recessive traits. A desired trait can be produced in dogs by selecting dogs with a particular trait to produce offspring with that trait. This specialized selective breeding can continue for generation after generation until a breed of dog is developed. This is the same as the "survival of the fittest" theory of the evolutionists. Many different types of dogs can be developed this way, but they can never develop a cat by selectively breeding dogs. Natural selection can never extend outside of the DNA limit. DNA cannot be changed into a new species by natural selection. The same process of selective breeding is done with flowers, fruits, and vegetables. New variations of the species are possible, but a new species has never been developed by science. In fact, the most modern laboratories are unable to produce a left-hand protein as found in humans and animals. Evolutionist fail to admit that no species has ever been proven to have evolved in any way. Evolution is simply pie-in-the-sky conjecture without scientific proof.


That sort of information is all over the place, we are overwelmed with it. TONS...of it, why is that? Are you trying to tell me that ...ALL...of those like the above are wrong and a nut on a silly messgeboard has the real answer, why is it I don;t buy that?

you still don't know what "vast majority" means

you keep proving that

[Avante]

you didnt watch this video

Wrong yet again, dude, are you ever right about anything? What would you like to know about that video?

[spurraider21]

Wrong yet again, dude, are you ever right about anything? What would you like to know about that video?
what was its argument?

[Avante]

you still don't know what "vast majority" means

you keep proving that

That is pretty complex, pretty heavy stuff there. I'll do mu best....ok?

There are 14 people on the bus, it runs off into a ditch full of water. 12 of them drown, yep...the vast majority.

How'd I do?

[spurraider21]

That is pretty complex, pretty heavy stuff there. I'll do mu best....ok?

There are 14 people on the bus, it runs off into a ditch full of water. 12 of them drown, yep...the vast majority.

How'd I do?
you dont get the point. you keep posting random videos and say "wow... all these scientists disagree" without realizing that its an insignificant portion of scientists.

its like my example with hail mary plays. you can post hundreds of videos of successful ones. does that prove that the hail mary is an effective, efficient play? hell no.

[spurraider21]

just stick to your "i'll never be convinced" talk. at least that way you admit you are ignorant and closed-minded. dont just spam youtube links and act like any of this actually disproves evolution in the slightest

[Avante]

what was its argument?

That no it didn;t take eons of time to form things.

I noticed you get off on me while totally ignoring what is being said in those videos/articles, why is that? Do you really think with your limitated education you know more about this than the ones who do this for a living?

[Avante]

you dont get the point. you keep posting random videos and say "wow... all these scientists disagree" without realizing that its an insignificant portion of scientists.

its like my example with hail mary plays. you can post hundreds of videos of successful ones. does that prove that the hail mary is an effective, efficient play? hell no.

Stop with this stupid....random videos...ok, look at you you're just some random stranger in hiding, ok? All those videos are far more intelligent than your...."but I was taught"...ok guy? Those people do that for a living what do you do?

[spurraider21]

That no it didn;t take eons of time to form things.

I noticed you get off on me while totally ignoring what is being said in those videos/articles, why is that? Do you really think with your limitated education you know more about this than the ones who do this for a living?
i haven't ignored anything. that video tries to use the half life of polonium as evidence that the rocks were young. polonium dating is never used and isn't considered to be credible. here are some PEER REVIEWED works that discredit this fellas ideas

http://paleo.cc/ce/halos.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html

basically some guy recorded a video of himself saying "i have proof these rocks are young" without having his experimentation ever reviewed or critiqued. that simply doesn't fly in the scientific community.

[Avante]

just stick to your "i'll never be convinced" talk. at least that way you admit you are ignorant and closed-minded. dont just spam youtube links and act like any of this actually disproves evolution in the slightest

Dude, who is reading a ton of articles and watching a ton of videos on this? Close minded?????? You're the one who is closeed minded not me. What, there is no way in hell you could be wrong about this? When it's real obvious a lot of others think you are.

[spurraider21]

Dude, who is reading a ton of articles and watching a ton of videos on this? Close minded?????? You're the one who is closeed minded not me. What, there is no way in hell you could be wrong about this? When it's real obvious a lot of others think you are.
the evidence overwhelmingly supports evolution. that is why it is irrational to claim otherwise

[spurraider21]

Stop with this stupid....random videos...ok, look at you you're just some random stranger in hiding, ok? All those videos are far more intelligent than your...."but I was taught"...ok guy? Those people do that for a living what do you do?
i have never resorted to "but i was taught" as an argument. don't put words in my mouth.

these videos are not very intelligent at all. i can go through them one by one and explain how flawed they are. like your hysterical peanut butter video. i had a good laugh at that one. all of the stuff you posted either relies on bad science or flat out misunderstanding of science

[Avante]

i haven't ignored anything. that video tries to use the half life of polonium as evidence that the rocks were young. polonium dating is never used and isn't considered to be credible. here are some PEER REVIEWED works that discredit this fellas ideas

http://paleo.cc/ce/halos.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/gentry.html

basically some guy recorded a video of himself saying "i have proof these rocks are young" without having his experimentation ever reviewed or critiqued. that simply doesn't fly in the scientific community.

You must have missed the part about him publishing his findings in a multitude of different scientific journals. That were distributed to the scientific world.

You don't find it rasther strange that so many people simply don't buy what you arte trying to peddle? Why do you think that is? You do know there is a HUGE amount of info out there totally kicking the shit out of what you are foolish enought to believe right?

[Avante]

i have never resorted to "but i was taught" as an argument. don't put words in my mouth.

these videos are not very intelligent at all. i can go through them one by one and explain how flawed they are. like your hysterical peanut butter video. i had a good laugh at that one. all of the stuff you posted either relies on bad science or flat out misunderstanding of science

So what credentials do you have?

[Avante]

the evidence overwhelmingly supports evolution. that is why it is irrational to claim otherwise

No it doesn't and that's where you keep making your big mistake. You were mislead and too dumb to see it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8t_VrEwvfM

[spurraider21]

You must have missed the part about him publishing his findings in a multitude of different scientific journals. That were distributed to the scientific world.

You don't find it rasther strange that so many people simply don't buy what you arte trying to peddle? Why do you think that is? You do know there is a HUGE amount of info out there totally kicking the shit out of what you are foolish enought to believe right?
yeah and his work got discredited. and yet in this video he falsely claims victory, saying things like "nobody has proven his findings wrong."

Gentry has had strong disagreements with other creationists over some details of flood geology.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-3) A number of creationists, including fellow Seventh-day Adventists, have criticised his work.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-Numbers-1)
In the late 1970s, Gentry challenged the scientific community to synthesize "a hand-sized specimen of a typical biotite-bearing granite" as a test of his claims. The scientific response was dismissive, with geologist G. Brent Dalrymple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Brent_Dalrymple) stating:[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-Numbers-1) "As far as I am concerned, Gentry's challenge is silly. … He has proposed an absurd and inconclusive experiment to test a perfectly ridiculous and unscientific hypothesis that ignores virtually the entire body of geological knowledge."
In 1981 Gentry was a defense witness in the McLean v. Arkansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_v._Arkansas) case over the constitutional validity of Act 590 that mandated that "creation science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_science)" be given equal time in public schools with evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-4) The defense lost and Act 590 was ruled to be unconstitutional (a verdict that was influential on, and upheld by, theSupreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) in Edwards v. Aguillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._Aguillard)).
Gentry has devised his own creationist cosmology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationist_cosmologies) and filed a lawsuit in 2001 against Los Alamos National Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alamos_National_Laboratory) and Cornell University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_University) after personnel deleted ten of his papers about his cosmology from the public preprint server arXiv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-5) On 23 March 2004, Gentry's lawsuit against arXiv was dismissed by a Tennessee court on the grounds that it lackedterritorial jurisdiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_jurisdiction), as neither defendant in the case was considered to have a significant presence in the state of Tennessee.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-6)
His self-published book Creation's Tiny Mystery was reviewed by geologist Gregg Wilkerson, who said that it has several logical flaws and concluded that "the book is a source of much misinformation about current geologic thinking and confuses fact with interpretation." He also noted that the book contains considerable autobiographical material and he observed that "[i]n general I don't think educators will find its worth their time to tread through this creationist's whining."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_V._Gentry#cite_note-7) This criticism of Gentry's "frequent whining about discrimination" has also been made by fellow creationists, who concluded that "his scientific snubs resulted more from his own abrasive style than from his peculiar ideas", according to Ronald L. Numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_L._Numbers), a prominent historian of science.

[spurraider21]

So what credentials do you have?
i have a bachelors degree in biochemistry from ucla

[spurraider21]

No it doesn't and that's where you keep making your big mistake. You were mislead and too dumb to see it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8t_VrEwvfM
first of all. :lol alex jones

second of all, some random geneticist came up with a radical theory of the chimp and a pig. and guess what? the scientific community doesn't buy it. his work is mocked. the chimp-pig thing is not at all accepted by the scientific community. so you find some nutjob scientist (like the scientist in the video you posted earlier) who's work is NOT accepted by the scientific community, and you think that is proof that evolution isn't real? that makes no sense at all

[Avante]

i have a bachelors degree in biochemistry from ucla

So you work in biochemistry....right?

[spurraider21]

So you work in biochemistry....right?
nope, i'm currently a law student

[Avante]

first of all. :lol alex jones

second of all, some random geneticist came up with a radical theory of the chimp and a pig. and guess what? the scientific community doesn't buy it. his work is mocked. the chimp-pig thing is not at all accepted by the scientific community. so you find some nutjob scientist (like the scientist in the video you posted earlier) who's work is NOT accepted by the scientific community, and you think that is proof that evolution isn't real? that makes no sense at all

Don't you get tired of discrediting everyone who doesn't agree with you and as we seeing that is a truck load. Everyone doesn't know anything, they have an agenda, they don't understand this or that or.......dude, is there ever going to come a point where you realize you are simply wrong?

[Avante]

nope, i'm currently a law student

So you have no problem discrediting those who obviously know far more about this than yourself....right?

[Uriel]

Avante, stop dawdling and take the IQ Test. You have no excuses left. If you still refuse to take it until now, then you will be admitting once and for all that you are incredibly stupid, full of hot air, and lack the fortitude to prove your worth.

http://iqtest.com/

[spurraider21]

Don't you get tired of discrediting everyone who doesn't agree with you and as we seeing that is a truck load. Everyone doesn'y know anything they have an agenda, they don't understand this or that or.......dude, is there ever goingto come a point wher you realize you are simply wrong?
its not me discrediting them. some random scientist thought the earth was young because he used a phony dating method which has been refuted by scientists.

similarly, another nutjob theorized that a chimp and a pig mated and led to humans. his work has also been refuted and discredited.

[spurraider21]

So you have no problem discrediting those who obviously know far more about this than yourself....right?
when they make outrageous claims like the guy in your peanut butter video, no, i have no problem discrediting them.

besides, based on their explanations on what they think evolution is, its clear they dont know far more about this than myself.

[Avante]

its not me discrediting them. some random scientist thought the earth was young because he used a phony dating method which has been refuted by scientists.

similarly, another nutjob theorized that a chimp and a pig mated and led to humans. his work has also been refuted and discredited.

Do I really need to take you to sites talking about all those theories science was totally wrong about?

[spurraider21]

Do I really need to take you to sites talking about all those theories science was totally wrong about?
i already know about all of them. every scientific theory replaces an old one. science corrects itself over time. its not stubborn

newtons "laws" of gravity fail quite often

[Avante]

when they make outrageous claims like the guy in your peanut butter video, no, i have no problem discrediting them.

besides, based on their explanations on what they think evolution is, its clear they dont know far more about this than myself.

Well I;ve read/heard them and read you and it's real obvious to me who doesn't really get it, that would be you.

[spurraider21]

Well I;ve read/heard them and read you and it's real obvious to me who doesn't really get it, that would be you.
how are you in a position to make that judgment? what is your education history? sunday school? weekly mass?

[spurraider21]

you really think that nutjob from the peanut butter video has a good grasp on evolution? :lmao

[Avante]

Avante, stop dawdling and take the IQ Test. You have no excuses left. If you still refuse to take it until now, then you will be admitting once and for all that you are incredibly stupid, full of hot air, and lack the fortitude to prove your worth.

http://iqtest.com/

You look pretty stupid to me asshole, so what good did that test do you?

[spurraider21]

its clear that other animals lived on the earth long before humans ever did.

the oldest known human civilization was formed about 6,000 years ago. but we know humans as a species existed for thousands and thousands of years before that. not sure how else you can reconcile that

[spurraider21]

You look pretty stupid to me asshole, so what good did that test do you?
oh look, you get really defensive when you are asked to prove your aptitude. how unpredictable :rolleyes

[Avante]

how are you in a position to make that judgment? what is your education history? sunday school? weekly mass?

I was raised in a home where everyone believed in God, so early on I was forced to tag along to church. My wife and her family are Christians. So it's always been around me.

As far as my formal education goes 33 college units and an avid reader with a wide varieties of interests.

You appear very limited my man, not able to see very far. Too....I wasn't taught that so it can't be. I;m not impressed at all with ya guy, yep, too simple.

[Avante]

oh look, you get really defensive when you are asked to prove your aptitude. how unpredictable :rolleyes

Oh look, you once again not getting it right, how predictable.

[Uriel]

You look pretty stupid to me asshole, so what good did that test do you?
You're such a fucking coward. :lmao Man up and prove your worth. Why so chicken?

[Avante]

You're such a fucking coward. :lmao Man up and prove your worth. Why so chicken?

I'm just a very limited guy, I'm only an expert on...

pro football
making $$$
NCAA football
classic boxing
history of pro rasslin'
rock
blues
country
folk
bluegrass
track
weight training
how to please any woman
science fiction
literature in general
movie trivia

Yep just a 16 or so trick pony.

[Uriel]

Avante, here are some sample questions to help you practice.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/1508053_10152842218057236_2567267946588038805_n.jp g?oh=d334abd9833814b89a0a9006ed8138a4&oe=54730E0D&__gda__=1416812486_50bd90cf4690aa0ea5e262273386b5f b

[Avante]

Avante, here are some sample questions to help you practice.

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[Uriel]

Yawwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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[Avante]

OH MY GOD YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SO FUCKING EASY.

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Little man, I didn't read them.....ok? While you're all jacked over...see see I smart see my IQ test....it means 0 to me, ok? That's what little kids play.

[mouse]

the oldest known human civilization was formed about 6,000 years ago. but we know humans as a species existed

Your way off base. Asians crossed over the content 14.000 years ago and human artifacts found in Brazil are 30.000 years old,

[mouse]

These topics come and go but at the end the bottom line is Evolutionists can never provide any proof man Evolved from an ape and they have no explanation how DNA got here from an explosion of nothing.

If they only knew you can support design and not support religion or the bible.

[Avante]

you really think that nutjob from the peanut butter video has a good grasp on evolution? :lmao

I bet that nutjob makes a hell of a lot more $$$$ than you do.

[Uriel]

Little man, I didn't read them.....ok? While you're all jacked over...see see I smart see my IQ test....it means 0 to me, ok? That's what little kids play.
Okay, fine. Here's one that doesn't require reading to answer.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10525691_10152842256617236_1188026847220400118_n.j pg?oh=f724c6eb62bd6a093bc173f28fcfb8df&oe=5472ACFD&__gda__=1416794894_4132e981f41160d1cea6470465b5fbb 1

[mouse]

I bet that nutjob makes a hell of a lot more $$$$ than you do.

My advice try and not debate anyone who has to resort to cheap outdated insults.

People who are genuine in learning or debating they usually avoid trying to make the debate a mini smack off.


If anyone here at ST was serious about evolution, age of earth, or Alertnative Design they would just read the many other debate topics already posted.

The reason they start new ones is because they didn't like the evidence I presented and instead of acknowledging defeat they start a new Evolution topic. In hopes that I won't participate.

You see what RandomLie and others don't talk about is the age of the earth and the reason is the earth is not billions or millions of years old. Each day more and more scientists are finding out they had it all wrong.

You may say what does that have to do with Evolution well in order for snail to become a cat you need "millions" of years according to Science.

In any case I will present my findings and show you how insane Darwin's theory is.

[mouse]

its clear that other animals lived on the earth long before humans ever did.

Link?


the oldest known human civilization was formed about 6,000 years ago.

Where are you getting this misguided information. Scientist have found evidence of man's presents in a layers of earth that was dated to be millions of years old.



without finding flaws in this persons wardrobe or his looks or "agenda" listen to the evidence he provides, and if you feel the need to ridicule or debunk his findings try and do it in a mature fashion.

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[spurraider21]

Your way off base. Asians crossed over the content 14.000 years ago and human artifacts found in Brazil are 30.000 years old,
never said humans didnt exist. civilization is different. the earliest known civilization is in mesopotaia around 4000bc

[spurraider21]

I was raised in a home where everyone believed in God, so early on I was forced to tag along to church. My wife and her family are Christians. So it's always been around me.

As far as my formal education goes 33 college units and an avid reader with a wide varieties of interests.

You appear very limited my man, not able to see very far. Too....I wasn't taught that so it can't be. I;m not impressed at all with ya guy, yep, too simple.
And this makes you qualified to make assessments on scientific knowledge and principles, how?

[mouse]

And this makes you qualified to make assessments on scientific knowledge and principles, how?

Because he has Google and it's an online debate at a basketball website.

If we are going to require Scientific backgrounds and proof of certifications before we respond to these topics it would be Agloco and myself doing all the talking.

[spurraider21]

Because he has Google and it's an online debate at a basketball website.

If we are going to require Scientific backgrounds and proof of certifications before we respond to these topics it would be Agloco and myself doing all the talking.
Link?

[mouse]

Link?

https://m.facebook.com/MITnews?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr

[RandomGuy]

How many ways can someone say.....only an idiot would think we came from a fish?

Do you think at all, do you possess an once of common sense? It apears ya don't. You honestly believe all living creatures have a common ancestor, are you really that far gone? Lizard scales magically turning into feathers.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! The flea and the elephant with a common ancestor, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You might have some weird need to adhere to that sort of ...obvious...bullshit, nobody with a lick of sense is going to buy it.

Why ignore..



The Theory of Evolution is not a scientific law or a law of biology. A scientific law must be 100% correct. Failure to meet only one challenge proves the law is wrong. This web page will prove that the Theory of Evolution fails many challenges, not simply one. The Theory of Evolution will never become a law of science because it is wrought with errors. This is why it is called a theory, instead of a law. [remainder redacted due to length]


That sort of information is all over the place, we are overwelmed with it. TONS...of it, why is that? Are you trying to tell me that ...ALL...of those like the above are wrong and a nut on a silly messgeboard has the real answer, why is it I don;t buy that?[/COLOR]

Claim CA201:


Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact.

Debunked:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html

Not really going to address the rest of it, unless there is a specific point you feel is the best out of it that you feel should be addressed.

[Avante]

Holes in the Theory


The theory of evolution is just that -- a theory. According to "The American Heritage Dictionary," a theory is:

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Evolution is a set of principles that tries to explain how life, in all its various forms, appeared on Earth. The theory of evolution succeeds in explaining why we see bacteria and mosquitoes (http://animals.howstuffworks.com/insects/mosquito.htm) becoming resistant to antibiotics and insecticides. It also successfully predicted, for example, that X-ray exposure would lead to thousands of mutations in fruit flies.
Many theories are works in progress, and evolution is one of them. There are several big questions that the theory of evolution cannot answer right now. This is not unusual. Newtonian physics worked really well for hundreds of years, and it still works well today for many types of problems. However, it does not explain lots of things that were eventually answered by Einstein and his theories of relativity. People create new theories and modify existing ones to explain the unexplained.
In answering the open questions that still remain unsolved, the theory of evolution will either become complete or it will be replaced by a new theory that better explains the phenomena we see in nature. That is how the scientific process works.

[Blake]

Holes in the Theory


The theory of evolution is just that -- a theory. According to "The American Heritage Dictionary," a theory is:

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Evolution is a set of principles that tries to explain how life, in all its various forms, appeared on Earth. The theory of evolution succeeds in explaining why we see bacteria and mosquitoes (http://animals.howstuffworks.com/insects/mosquito.htm) becoming resistant to antibiotics and insecticides. It also successfully predicted, for example, that X-ray exposure would lead to thousands of mutations in fruit flies.
Many theories are works in progress, and evolution is one of them. There are several big questions that the theory of evolution cannot answer right now. This is not unusual. Newtonian physics worked really well for hundreds of years, and it still works well today for many types of problems. However, it does not explain lots of things that were eventually answered by Einstein and his theories of relativity. People create new theories and modify existing ones to explain the unexplained.
In answering the open questions that still remain unsolved, the theory of evolution will either become complete or it will be replaced by a new theory that better explains the phenomena we see in nature. That is how the scientific process works


Where'd you rip this off from?

[Blake]

Where'd you rip this off from?

Oh. Found it.

Here's what it goes on saying two pages later:


The fact that it takes evolution 100,000 or 10 million years to make relatively minor changes in existing structures shows just how slow evolution really is. The creation of a new species is time consuming.On the other hand, we know that evolution can move extremely quickly to create a new species. One example of the speed of evolution involves the progress mammals have made. You have probably heard that, about 65 million years ago, all of the dinosaurs died out quite suddenly. One theory for this massive extinction is an asteroid strike. For dinosaurs, the day of the asteroid strike was a bad one, but for mammals it was a good day. The disappearance of the dinosaurs cleared the playing field of most predators. Mammals began to thrive and differentiate.Example: The Evolution of Mammals65 million years ago, mammals were much simpler than they are today. A representative mammal of the time was the species*Didelphodon, a smallish, four-legged creature similar to today's opossum.In 65 million years, according to the theory of evolution, every mammal that we see today (over 4,000 species) evolved from small, four-legged creatures like Didelphodon. Through random mutations and natural selection, evolution has produced mammals of striking diversity from that humble starting point:............

More:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/evolution10.htm

[Avante]

I always get a kick out of this topic. This......we all came from fish I tell ya.......hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! As if that was far easier to believe than we had a Masterdesigner.

Dummy...can you prove the existant of any God, nope!!!!!!! An all powerful being responsible for all this, hahahaha!!!!!!!
Avante....so where did we come from then?
Dummy...well it certainly wasn't some stupid God bullshit.
Avante...cool, so where?
Dummy...well fish of course.
Avantye...hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[Uriel]

I always get a kick out of this topic. This......we all came from fish I tell ya.......hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! As if that was far easier to believe than we had a Masterdesigner.

Dummy...can you prove the existant of any God, nope!!!!!!! An all powerful being responsible for all this, hahahaha!!!!!!!
Avante....so where did we come from then?
Dummy...well it certainly wasn't some stupid God bullshit.
Avante...cool, so where?
Dummy...well fish of course.
Avantye...hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, good, you're back. :wakeup

Are you ready to take that IQ Test yet?

http://iqtest.com/

[Blake]

I always get a kick out of this topic. This......we all came from fish I tell ya.......hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! As if that was far easier to believe than we had a Masterdesigner.

Dummy...can you prove the existant of any God, nope!!!!!!! An all powerful being responsible for all this, hahahaha!!!!!!!
Avante....so where did we come from then?
Dummy...well it certainly wasn't some stupid God bullshit.
Avante...cool, so where?
Dummy...well fish of course.
Avantye...hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Oh look. You went back to your original retarded logic.

[Avante]

Oh, good, you're back. :wakeup

Are you ready to take that IQ Test yet?

http://iqtest.com/

I'm boning up for the test right now, deep into all those famous philosophers right now, ya know...Kant, Kierkegaard, Schlegal and of course Nietzsche. After I finish reading....reality. man and existence....I'll be ready.

[Avante]

I'm looking at my dog Joey and our parrot, hard to buy we could trace them both back to a fish. Then I look over and Max our pet turtle and this fucking fly that won't leave me alone and to think they can all be traced back to a fish........mind boogling. Then......to watch those little fish swim around in the aquarium who simply stayed a fish.

Well I'll be damn, looking out the widow what do I see, a little hummingbird at the feeder, what an amazing aviator this little creature is. To think he/she also came from the same fish that sad ass little fly*** came from.....hmmmm?

*** that dead fly now.

[Blake]

I'm looking at my dog Joey and our parrot, hard to buy we could trace them both back to a fish. Then I look over and Max our pet turtle and this fucking fly that won't leave me alone and to think they can all be traced back to a fish........mind boogling. Then......to watch those little fish swim around in the aquarium who simply stayed a fish.

Well I'll be damn, looking out the widow what do I see, a little hummingbird at the feeder, what an amazing aviator this little creature is. To think he/she also came from the same fish that sad ass little fly*** came from.....hmmmm?

*** that dead fly now.

That settles it.

theory of Avante > theory of evolution

[spurraider21]

i mean if god is a fish then technically you believe we all came from fish

[Avante]

i mean if god is a fish then technically you believe we all came from fish

Let's try this...

What if our little fishes simply couldn't sustain like on dry land, well? What if the diet they needed to survive could only be found in the ocean? So if those fish never lived on land what now?

[spurraider21]

Let's try this...

What if our little fishes simply couldn't sustain like on dry land, well? What if the diet they needed to survive could only be found in the ocean? So if those fish never lived on land what now?
you mean like land animals that eat fish for their diet?

[Uriel]

I'm boning up for the test right now, deep into all those famous philosophers right now, ya know...Kant, Kierkegaard, Schlegal and of course Nietzsche. After I finish reading....reality. man and existence....I'll be ready.
I find it so sad and ironic that you would invoke names like Kant or Kierkegaard given that those people, if they were alive today, would be laughing at you for denying evolution. Even Nietzsche has famously proclaimed the death of God.

Also, if you're trying to impress me by saying the names of a bunch of dead philosophers, then believe me, it's not working. For one, I've already read all those philosophers (and a whole lot more, a bunch of obscure names you've probably never heard of). For two, even if you have read their texts, I seriously doubt you even understand what they're saying. You try effect an air of intellectualism by making references to great thinkers, yet your line of thinking is diametrically opposed to that of theirs.

[Avante]

you mean like land animals that eat fish for their diet?

You ignored the question. If those fish couldn't have lived on land then we'd have no life on earth, right?

[spurraider21]

You ignored the question. If those fish couldn't have lived on land then we'd have no life on earth, right?
if they couldn't live on land, then we'd have no life on land. but i don't see why they couldn't live on land. there were no predators

[Avante]

I find it so sad and ironic that you would invoke names like Kant or Kierkegaard given that those people, if they were alive today, would be laughing at you for denying evolution. Even Nietzsche has famously proclaimed the death of God.

Also, if you're trying to impress me by saying the names of a bunch of dead philosophers, then believe me, it's not working. For one, I've already read all those philosophers (and a whole lot more, a bunch of obscure names you've probably never heard of). For two, even if you have read their texts, I seriously doubt you even understand what they're saying. You try effect an air of intellectualism by making references to great thinkers, yet your line of thinking is diametrically opposed to that of theirs.

Trust me half pint I understand everything that's being said, it's not complex at all...ok? See my signature.......big fan of Nietzsche, and have been since around 13.

You seem too wrapped up with..."I smart"....hahahaha!!!!!!!! You don't impress me at all.

[Avante]

if they couldn't live on land, then we'd have no life on land. but i don't see why they couldn't live on land. there were no predators

The point I'm getting at is yes all living creatures can be traced back to those first fish that lived on land. Now actually think about that.

[spurraider21]

The point I'm getting at is yes all living creatures can be traced back to those first fish that lived on land.
a) this isn't "your point." its common knowledge

b) i'm assuming by "living creatures" you are referring to land animals

[Avante]

a) this isn't "your point." its common knowledge

b) i'm assuming by "living creatures" you are referring to land animals

So you have no problems at all seeing the ant and the elephant having a common ancestor?

[Uriel]

Trust me half pint I understand everything that's being said, it's not complex at all...ok? See my signature.......big fan of Nietzsche, and have been since around 13.

You seem too wrapped up with..."I smart"....hahahaha!!!!!!!! You don't impress me at all.
Okay, then. Since you say you "understand everything being said" and that it's "not complex at all," could you please explain to me how Kant outlined the relationship between the mind and human experience--between the phenomenal world and the noumenal world--in his Critique of Pure Reason?

[Avante]

Okay, then. Since you say you "understand everything being said" and that it's "not complex at all," could you please explain to me how Kant outlined the relationship between the mind and human experience--between the phenomenal world and the noumenal world--in his Critique of Pure Reason?

You're boring me amigo.

Who can't....


Kant argued that our experiences are structured by necessary features of our minds. In his view, the mind shapes and structures experience so that, on an abstract level, all human experience shares certain essential structural features. Among other things, Kant believed that the concepts of space and time are integral to all human experience, as are our concepts of cause and effect.[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Warburton-4) One important consequence of this view is that one never has direct experience of things, the so-called noumenal world, and that what we do experience is the phenomenal world.

It's all there, simple as could be just read it.

[spurraider21]

So you have no problems at all seeing the ant and the elephant having a common ancestor?
the answer to this is apparent based on my position

[spurraider21]

You're boring me amigo.

Who can't....


Kant argued that our experiences are structured by necessary features of our minds. In his view, the mind shapes and structures experience so that, on an abstract level, all human experience shares certain essential structural features. Among other things, Kant believed that the concepts of space and time are integral to all human experience, as are our concepts of cause and effect.[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Warburton-4) One important consequence of this view is that one never has direct experience of things, the so-called noumenal world, and that what we do experience is the phenomenal world.

It's all there, simple as could be just read it.
thanks for copy-pasting wikipedia, proving you never actually read those philosophers

[Avante]

thanks for copy-pasting wikipedia, proving you never actually read those philosophers

See right there is why you are strange. Do you honestly think I was trying to pass that off as something I wrote? Come on man, damn!!!!!!!!!! See that [4] that wouldn't give it away? I was talking about all that stuff can be found on the internet.

I wonder about you guy. You never pick up on the obvious at all.

[spurraider21]

See right there is why you are strange. Do you honestly think I was trying to pass that off as something I wrote? Come on man, damn!!!!!!!!!! See that [4] that wouldn't give it away? I was talking about all that stuff can be found on the internet.

I wonder about you guy. You never pick up on the obvious at all.
the guy asked YOU to explain something, and you just copy-paste spammed us as usual like you do with youtube videos

[Avante]

the guy asked YOU to explain something, and you just copy-paste spammed us as usual like you do with youtube videos

What else is there to say about it? If I'd read what he had said, what else could I say?

You work way too hard at this slick, relax, ok?

Tell me again about how a fish became an elephant, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

What else is there to say about it? If I'd read what he had said, what else could I say?

You work way too hard at this slick, relax, ok?

Tell me again about how a fish became an elephant, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mammals are the most recent of the animal kingdom, usually beginning with smaller rodents the further back you go

[ChumpDumper]

What else is there to say about it? If I'd read what he had said, what else could I say?

You work way too hard at this slick, relax, ok?

Tell me again about how a fish became an elephant, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Why would Jesus design an elephant?

[Blake]

Why would Jesus design an elephant?

He knew we would need the ivory for billiards

[Avante]

mammals are the most recent of the animal kingdom, usually beginning with smaller rodents the further back you go

Where did the insects come from?

[spurraider21]

Where did the insects come from?
they came from different ocean life than other animals. birds, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians are all vertebrates, and came from fish with vertebrae.

insects are arthropods (their skeletons are an outer shell, instead of inner bone), so they stem from from other arthropod species. think of how similar a lobster is to a scorpion, etc.

[Avante]

they came from different ocean life than other animals. birds, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians are all vertebrates, and came from fish with vertebrae.

insects are arthropods (their skeletons are an outer shell, instead of inner bone), so they stem from from other arthropod species. think of how similar a lobster is to a scorpion, etc.

So we had a certain ocean thing that could only evolve into a beetle, ant, spider, camel spider, gnat, fly, dragonfly, praying mantis, bee, hornet etc etc etc. How many kinds of spiders are there?

You really do believe all this stupid bullshit don't ya?

[ChumpDumper]

they came from different ocean life than other animals. birds, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians are all vertebrates, and came from fish with vertebrae.

insects are arthropods (their skeletons are an outer shell, instead of inner bone), so they stem from from other arthropod species. think of how similar a lobster is to a scorpion, etc.I guarantee he won't think.

[ChumpDumper]

So we had a certain ocean thing that could only evolve into a beetle, ant, spider, camel spider, gnat, fly, dragonfly, praying mantis, bee, hornet etc etc etc. How many kinds of spiders are there?

You really do believe all this stupid bullshit don't ya?What's this "only" crap?

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

Your lists will not help you now.

[Avante]

So there must still be fish leaving the ocean to start evolving into something else right now....right? What was the last new creature?

As the fish go from sort of a fish as it's in partial evolution where are these creatures?

[boutons_deux]

So there must still be fish leaving the ocean to start evolving into something else right now....right? What was the last new creature?

As the fish go from sort of a fish as it's in partial evolution where are these creatures?

:lol goddam, you're stupid fuck.

[ChumpDumper]

So there must still be fish leaving the ocean to start evolving into something else right now....right?Fish still live in the ocean. Is that your question?.


What was the last new creature?Been making them ourselves for 25 years tbh.


As the fish go from sort of a fish as it's in partial evolution where are these creatures?http://media.giphy.com/media/Kyr8OnKRKmDbG/giphy.gif

[Avante]

What's really sad about this is that no matter what ya say about the freak it means nothing. It makes no impact on the poor little shit at all, he juist keeps coming.....wow! Totally void of any sort of self respest of any kind, I really do pity this guy, imagine following people around who won't even talk to you, whoa~~~~~~~~~~

Now watch the freak act like nothing is wrong as he just keeps humping away......sad to watch.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course something is wrong -- you stopped talking about evolution because I easily answered all your questions.

Now you are going to whimper whaa about me because your mind is weak and you know absolutely nothing about evolution.

You need to make a list quickly. Don't go back to the topic of evolution whatever you do.

Pussy.

[Avante]

I could have set my watch by this poor little retard. Worst case of Avante-itist I've ever seen. All these threads down there and where does the freak show up........bummer!

Is there a name for this dsease other than Avante-itist? Is the weido gay and can visualize the 6-2 275 pounds of twisted railroad steel? I bet he sees me me as a big ice cream bar and wants to lick me. Sick little freak.

[ChumpDumper]

I could have set my watch by this poor little retard. Worst case of Avante-itist I've ever seen. All these threads down there and where does the freak show up........bummer!

Is there a name for this dsease other than Avante-itist? Is the weido gay and can visualize the 6-2 275 pounds of twisted railroad steel? I bet he sees me me as a big ice cream bar and wants to lick me. Sick little freak.I see an old fat man terrified by me and whining about me.

Bummer!

Now make a list, pussy.

[spurraider21]

http://media.giphy.com/media/Kyr8OnKRKmDbG/giphy.gif
:lmao

[Avante]

Anyone figure out why I miss Tino and xmas so much? Now I'm stuck with Blake/ChumpWhocares/Clipper Nation more than ever. Not a brain between them, total leg humpers/leechs.

[spurraider21]

Anyone figure out why I miss Tino and xmas so much? Now I'm stuck with Blake/ChumpWhocares/Clipper Nation more than ever. Not a brain between them, total leg humpers/leechs.
http://media.giphy.com/media/Kyr8OnKRKmDbG/giphy.gif

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone figure out why I miss Tino and xmas so much? Now I'm stuck with Blake/ChumpWhocares/Clipper Nation more than ever. Not a brain between them, total leg humpers/leechs.xmas posts at SpursReport now. If you miss him so much, you will go there right now.

[Avante]

It's a cold morning when on a beach long ago when all of a sudden a little sea thing comes crawling/more a slither out of the abyss, he/she ............now what? And we'd need a male and a female, right? Obviously the climate was perfect as was the diet. So how long did these things live? They could start the evolution process in 20/30 years? What starts evolving in that short of time? So there must have been children.

What dumb fuck is thinking that is eaier to buy than a Masterdesigner?

[spurraider21]

It's a cold morning when on a beach long ago when all of a sudden a little sea thing comes crawling/more a slither out of the abyss, he/she ............now what? And we'd need a male and a female, right? Obviously the climate was perfect as was the diet. So how long did these things live? They could start the evolution process in 20/30 years? What starts evolving in that short of time? So there must have been children.

What dumb fuck is thinking that is eaier to buy than a Masterdesigner?
http://media.giphy.com/media/Kyr8OnKRKmDbG/giphy.gif

[Uriel]

You're boring me amigo.

Who can't....


Kant argued that our experiences are structured by necessary features of our minds. In his view, the mind shapes and structures experience so that, on an abstract level, all human experience shares certain essential structural features. Among other things, Kant believed that the concepts of space and time are integral to all human experience, as are our concepts of cause and effect.[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Warburton-4) One important consequence of this view is that one never has direct experience of things, the so-called noumenal world, and that what we do experience is the phenomenal world.

It's all there, simple as could be just read it.
The fact that you would copy-paste from Wikipedia, rather than explain it in your own words, just goes to prove that you didn't understand Kant at all, which is why you resorted to relying on a third-party source.

It's one thing to invoke the name of a philosopher in conversation to effect an air of intelligence. But if you're going to arrogantly proclaim that you fully understand what they're saying (something not even doctorate holders in Philosophy would say, if they were being candid), then you'd better be able to back it up with proof. In that regard, you failed miserably.

[ChumpDumper]

It's a cold morning when on a beach long ago when all of a sudden a little sea thing comes crawling/more a slither out of the abyss, he/she ............now what? And we'd need a male and a female, right? Obviously the climate was perfect as was the diet. So how long did these things live? They could start the evolution process in 20/30 years? What starts evolving in that short of time? So there must have been children.

What dumb fuck is thinking that is eaier to buy than a Masterdesigner?http://www.gifbooster.com/wp-content/uploads/3392/the-simpsons-myth-of-creation_96.gif

[Blake]

What dumb fuck is thinking that is eaier to buy than a Masterdesigner?

How come you never answer the question "who designed the master designer?"?

[RandomGuy]

Let's try this...

What if our little fishes simply couldn't sustain like on dry land, well? What if the diet they needed to survive could only be found in the ocean? So if those fish never lived on land what now?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kGvkXD-uDdk/TnF1COHF0GI/AAAAAAAAuAc/h3Zq06Oozxk/s1600/_DSC0024m6.jpg


http://www.evolution-outreach.com/content/6/1/8


Generally, finding something to eat is generally secondary to the ability to escape predators, or reproduce in relative safety.


here are different kinds of air-breathing fishes. Aquatic air-breathing fishes remain in water and surface periodically to gulp air. This behaviour may be continuous in some species subjected to low oxygen concentrations and high water temperatures, or facultative in species subjected to occasional conditions unfavourable for aquatic respiration. In contrast, amphibious air-breathers emerge from the water to feed, rest, escape predators, find a mate and defend territories. Some species are active on land, such as the mudskippers that are the subject of the next section. Other species are inactive on land and become air-breathers when their aquatic habitat disappears during the tropical dry season. Some lungfishes are in this category and are confined in mud burrows until the rains return. They are without food and enter a hypometabolic state or even aestivate (see Figure 2).

The ability of a fish to briefly leave the water is a very powerful adaptation.

Not hard to imagine that a progressive series of minor adaptations in such populations would lead to variations that allow for more and more time spent out of water, given so positive a selective force.

Evidence asked for, given.

The next steps, of course, are rather obvious:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O40K9XFKKso/TBaLiJFCHSI/AAAAAAAAAMg/iF4GJ5kPTwE/s1600/SLeopardFrogQuarum.jpg

The young of which tend to look relatively familiar...

http://www.californiaherps.com/frogs/images/rcatesbeianatad509.jpg

[RandomGuy]

I'm boning up for the test right now, deep into all those famous philosophers right now, ya know...Kant, Kierkegaard, Schlegal and of course Nietzsche. After I finish reading....reality. man and existence....I'll be ready.

Wake me up when you take a basic biology course, or, for that matter, one on genetics.

[RandomGuy]

As the fish go from sort of a fish as it's in partial evolution where are these creatures?



http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/images/evograms/tetrapod_evo.jpg

Not hard to find, more than a few intervening steps were omitted for brevity. Ain't phylogeny grand? :D

[RandomGuy]

I was raised in a home where everyone believed in God, so early on I was forced to tag along to church. My wife and her family are Christians. So it's always been around me.

As far as my formal education goes 33 college units and an avid reader with a wide varieties of interests.

You appear very limited my man, not able to see very far. Too....I wasn't taught that so it can't be. I;m not impressed at all with ya guy, yep, too simple.

A four year degree is 120 hours.

So you have the equivalent of a college sophomore, with no formal training in the sciences, I would guess.


Most common core requirements for first years tend to be heavy in history and english.

http://www.utexas.edu/ugs/core/requirements/2014-2016

I have about 180 hrs at this point, a few courses away from a Master of Accountancy. Spread over a wide variety of subjects, primarily accounting/economics/finance.

[RandomGuy]

The fact that you would copy-paste from Wikipedia, rather than explain it in your own words, just goes to prove that you didn't understand Kant at all, which is why you resorted to relying on a third-party source.

It's one thing to invoke the name of a philosopher in conversation to effect an air of intelligence. But if you're going to arrogantly proclaim that you fully understand what they're saying (something not even doctorate holders in Philosophy would say, if they were being candid), then you'd better be able to back it up with proof. In that regard, you failed miserably.

Pretty much the same with his attempts at science-y sounding shit he posts.

Avante: "here is a big long anti-evolution webpage I found"
Anybody: "wow, that is long, what do you think is the best argument there?"
Avante: "LOOK OVER THERE!" (runs away)

[RandomGuy]

I'm boning up for the test right now, deep into all those famous philosophers right now, ya know...Kant, Kierkegaard, Schlegal and of course Nietzsche. After I finish reading....reality. man and existence....I'll be ready.


In philosophy, a formal fallacy is a pattern of reasoning which is rendered invalid due to a flaw in its logical structure which can neatly be expressed in standard system of logic, for example propositional logic.[1] An argument that is formally fallacious is always considered to be wrong. A formal fallacy is contrasted with an informal fallacy, which may have a valid logical form and yet be unsound because one or more premises are false.

The presence of a formal fallacy in a deductive argument does not imply anything about the argument's premises or its conclusion. Both may actually be true, or even more probable as a result of the argument, but the deductive argument is still invalid because the conclusion does not follow from the premises in the manner described. By extension, an argument can contain a formal fallacy even if the argument is not a deductive one; for instance an inductive argument that incorrectly applies principles of probability or causality can be said to commit a formal fallacy.




Give it up people, we did not evolve from fish....ok, that's fucking stupid and only a moron would buy that bullshit.


http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html



Also Known as: Appeal to Mockery, The Horse Laugh.

The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument." This line of "reasoning" has the following form:

1) X, which is some form of ridicule is presented (typically directed at the claim).
2) Therefore claim C is false.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false. This is especially clear in the following example: "1+1=2! That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!"


1) X= "only a moron would buy that bullshit"
2) Therefore evolution is false.





soph·ist noun \ˈsä-fist\
1: philosopher
2 capitalized : any of a class of ancient Greek teachers of rhetoric, philosophy, and the art of successful living prominent about the middle of the fifth century b.c. for their adroit subtle and allegedly often specious reasoning
3: a captious or fallacious reasoner



Maybe you could ask your professor if being a sophist is a good thing.

[mouse]

98 pages and still no proof humans are here from two apes fucking

[spurraider21]

98 pages and still no proof humans are here from two apes fucking
what exactly do you require as proof? video evidence?

the genetic and fossil records lead to the conclusion

[ohmwrecker]

98 pages and still no proof humans are here from two apes fucking

Proof? It's a theory. Why play dumb for 98 pages?

[mouse]

what exactly do you require as proof? video evidence?

the genetic and fossil records lead to the conclusion

show us the fossils

[spurraider21]

they've been posted somewhere in these 97 pages. dig away

[mouse]

Proof? It's a theory. Why play dumb for 98 pages?

So is going to hell when you die, but its not in the school textbooks so why should Evolution be in a Science books shouldn't it be in the Science fiction section of the library

[mouse]

they've been posted somewhere in these 97 pages. dig away

I call bullshit.

[ohmwrecker]

So is going to hell when you die, but its not in the school textbooks so why should Evolution be in a Science books shouldn't it be in the Science fiction section of the library

When you find a fossil record for demons from hell, I'll accept your ridiculous analogy.

[spurraider21]

I call bullshit.
ok

[mouse]

uidpJlNbKsQ



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c9_1269368840



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb2_1269370707
Evolutionists admit there are no transitional species in the fossil record.

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

While trillions of such fossils are found in the fossil record to prove micro evolution, that is small changes to the organism either via mechanisms of adaptation built into the genetic code of many creatures, or by the mutation and recombination of DNA More..proven to never produce more complex kinds of organisms, no fossils have ever been found to support the hypothesis of MACRO EVOLUTION or radical changes from one type of organism to another.

Archeoptrix, or the best example typically presented by evolutionists to support their theory, has long been accepted to be 100% bird by the majority of paleontologists, and has long been discredited as evidence of the missing links supporting macro evolution; not to mention that trillions of such examples should be found.

Financial support is provided by special interest groups to all institutions involved in the evolution paradigm under the mandate of either finding or producing and manufacturing evidence to promote and support the Darwinian myth.

Such findings are then deceitfully presented as conforming to some proven scientific method when nothing could be further from the truth. The conclusions presented by the science of geology, archeology, paleontology, genetics, and physics supporting the MACRO evolutionary propaganda hoax are all equally preposterous.

Our ability to manufacture evidence supporting macro evolution is limited only by the "credulity" of our audience, one evolution evidence fabricator admits.

Well, Mr. Evolution Scientist, you have nothing to fear from your Liveleak audience. MANUFACTURE AWAY!!!!!!

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb2_1269370707#JZFwOzZ0SS4W1KPe.99

[spurraider21]

:lmao that video you keep posting over and over

"this cannot be true. for mutations only damage the information of the DNA." :lmao

since mutations do not add new genetic information, it is impossible..." :lmao

[mouse]

:lmao that video you keep posting over and over

"this cannot be true. for mutations only damage the information of the DNA." :lmao

since mutations do not add new genetic information, it is impossible..." :lmao


You just don't get it. I want to say your just misguided but after reading your replies over a 30 day period I have found your just stubborn and mentally not capable of learning.

[spurraider21]

You just don't get it. I want to say your just misguided but after reading your replies over a 30 day period I have found your just stubborn and mentally not capable of learning.
i have only come to this position as a result of my capacity for learning

[Avante]

I guess all the sea creatures also had their origins and stages of evolution. I suppose we can trace all them back to the same....????

[spurraider21]

I guess all the sea creatures also had their origins and stages of evolution. I suppose we can trace all them back to the same....????
you're catching on

[Avante]

you're catching on

So we had the....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which gave us earth and the oceans and.......what was it that the fish evolved from?

I found...(ok so where did we get this.....animal similiar to a sea squirt....come from?)

Notice the...may have....?

Fish may have evolved from an animal similar to a coral-like sea squirt (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sea_squirt), whose larvae resemble early fish in important ways. The first ancestors of fish may have kept the larval form into adulthood (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Neoteny) (as some sea squirts do today), although perhaps the reverse is the case. Vertebrates (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Vertebrate), among them the first fishes (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Fishes), originated about 530 million years ago during the Cambrian explosion (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cambrian_explosion), which saw the rise in organism diversity.[4] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDawkins2004357-4)

[spurraider21]

So we had the....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which gave us earth and the oceans and.......what was it that the fish evolved from?
this thread is not about the big bang. the big bang and evolution are entirely different arguments.

evolution and theism are not at odds. if you want to have a discussion about god/no god/big bang, we can make a new thread for that. keep this thread to evolution, ok, small fry?

[Avante]

this thread is not about the big bang. the big bang and evolution are entirely different arguments.

evolution and theism are not at odds. if you want to have a discussion about god/no god/big bang, we can make a new thread for that. keep this thread to evolution, ok, small fry?

See where it says....AVANTE...? I'll talk about anything I feel like talking about, got it? If you don't like it you can leave....ok?

So we all came from fish, so the fish had to have come from something else also....right? So what was the very first living whatever that gave us the fish? And.....where did it come from?

We read stuff like...(ok so where did that jelly fish thing come from?)

Excellent question Leah. And that type of thought is exactly what we scientists do! Though we now think that land-based animals with backbones (“chordata”) originally came from fish who evolved the ability to walk on land. This may have led to amphibians and reptiles, which then led to us mammals (including monkeys).
So, scientists believe that fish evolved over a long period of time from things without true backbones or true bones at all in fact. Something along the lines of modern day eels called lancelets (“amphiouxus”). In order to swim forwards they needed something rigid for the muscles to pull against, which is why the backbone evolved, as those who could move forward were slightly better at catching food than those who couldn’t. Before lancelets, these were believed to come from something similar to modern day jellyfish, so not round.
So there you have it, complicated eh!? But it took sooooo long and there are still so many missing links in our knowledge that we might just find a different story soon!

[spurraider21]

See where it says....AVANTE...? I'll talk about anything I feel like talking about, got it? If you don't like it you can leave....ok?
if you want to ramble about various topics, you have the avante in pink thread. this thread is called evolution, so it would make sense to keep the discussion to that. you routinely (and i mean ROUTINELY) try to combine the evolution discussion with the theism/atheism one. its simply wrong to do so


So we all came from fish, so the fish had to have come from something else also....right? So what was the very first living whatever that gave us the fish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

[Avante]

if you want to ramble about various topics, you have the avante in pink thread. this thread is called evolution, so it would make sense to keep the discussion to that. you routinely (and i mean ROUTINELY) try to combine the evolution discussion with the theism/atheism one. its simply wrong to do so

Dude, at what point does it hit you.....you don't tell me shit....well? This is my thread I'll do whatever I want ......got it? Don't be telling me a damn thing....alright?

Tons of this out there...TONS!!!!!!!!!


What about the eye? Evolutionists cannot figure out hour eyes evolved, or how creatures with one kind of eye could possibly have descended from creatures with another kind of eye. So to solve the problem, they just came up with a new name. They called it "convergent evolution," as though that would solve the problem of how it could possibly happen! But calling an impossibility "evolution," does not change it into a possibility. Similarities in such different creatures, that could not have descended from one another, continue to be a nagging puzzle to the evolutionists.At the same time the Darwinists had to live with the opposite problem, so they tried to solve it by classifying it as another type of "evolution!"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

[Avante]

Not sure what I did there, haha!!!!!!!

Dude, at what point does it hit you.....you don't tell me shit....well? This is my thread I'll do whatever I want ......got it? Don't be telling me a damn thing....alright?

Tons of this out there...TONS!!!!!!!!!


What about the eye? Evolutionists cannot figure out how eyes evolved, or how creatures with one kind of eye could possibly have descended from creatures with another kind of eye. So to solve the problem, they just came up with a new name. They called it "convergent evolution," as though that would solve the problem of how it could possibly happen! But calling an impossibility "evolution," does not change it into a possibility. Similarities in such different creatures, that could not have descended from one another, continue to be a nagging puzzle to the evolutionists.At the same time the Darwinists had to live with the opposite problem, so they tried to solve it by classifying it as another type of "evolution!"

[Avante]

So we all started off as some sea glob, which evolved into this which evolved....before ever stepping a fin on dry land.

How did we ever get the human brain out of that process?

glob of goo...billions of years...a fish....fish takes off on land (I'll ignore the whale, shark, dolphin etc etc etc) so this fish evolved into bugs, flies, giraffes, pigs, chickens, beavers, rabbits, horses, cats, dogs, cows, bulls etc etc.......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cannot be this fucking dumb.

[Avante]

When it finally got to us humans....

Watusi
Pygmy
Samoan
Filipino
Nigeria
Kenyan
Arabian

hell, how'd we get the sexes?

Glob of goo was two sexes?

[spurraider21]

There is no issue with the development of the eye. All eyes have the same basic functioning. As you could imagine, for early life in the sea, those animals who had any sort of visual tools (early eyes basically only saw light and dark) had a distinct advantage. They had an advantage in finding food source or avoiding potential danger. Those with eyes were more likely to live, reproduce, and pass on the traits. Among different species with eyes, the ones with "better" eyes which had slightly more function, were more successful. If you have read up, you could know about the "evolutionary arms race" during the Cambrian Explosion.

[spurraider21]

When it finally got to us humans....

Watusi
Pygmy
Samoan
Filipino
Nigeria
Kenyan
Arabian

hell, how'd we get the sexes?
sexes came way before humans did.

as for how we came up with different races... look at different breeds of dogs that have developed over time. look at how Asian Elephants are completely distinguishable for African Elephants. That aspect of evolution is not tricky at all, even a simpleton like yourself should have understood that one.

Also, Filipino, Nigerians, Kenyans are just nationalities. Nations are man-made ideas

[Avante]

There is no issue with the development of the eye. All eyes have the same basic functioning. As you could imagine, for early life in the sea, those animals who had any sort of visual tools (early eyes basically only saw light and dark) had a distinct advantage. They had an advantage in finding food source or avoiding potential danger. Those with eyes were more likely to live, reproduce, and pass on the traits. Among different species with eyes, the ones with "better" eyes which had slightly more function, were more successful. If you have read up, you could know about the "evolutionary arms race" during the Cambrian Explosion.

Dude, don't act like you didn't read...."don't be telling me shit"..ok? Stop doing that it's a very bad habit you've gotten into. Don't tell me shit....ok?

[spurraider21]

Dude, don't act like you didn't read...."don't be telling me shit"..ok? Stop doing that it's a very bad habit you've gotten into. Don't tell me shit....ok?
What? Can you rephrase that in coherent English? I would love to respond but I really have no clue what you're complaining about here.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Avante lost his shit again.

[Avante]

sexes came way before humans did.

as for how we came up with different races... look at different breeds of dogs that have developed over time. look at how Asian Elephants are completely distinguishable for African Elephants. That aspect of evolution is not tricky at all, even a simpleton like yourself should have understood that one.

Also, Filipino, Nigerians, Kenyans are just nationalities. Nations are man-made ideas

A simpelton totally missed the point.

All of those I mentioned look totally different, why is that? Why are Filipino's tiny while Smoans are huge? Why are Kenyans totally different from Nigerians other than black....well?

What about the Watusi, the pgymy?

YOU...calling someone a simpleton, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Dude...WE LOOK DIFFERENT.....how come?

[ChumpDumper]

A simpelton totally missed the point.

All of those I mentioned look totally different, why is that? Why are Filipino's tiny while Smoans are huge? Why are Kenyans totally different from Nigerians other than black....well?

What about the Watusi, the pgymy?

YOU...calling someone a simpleton, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Dude...WE LOOK DIFFERENT.....how come?Don't tell me shit, ok?

[Avante]

What? Can you rephrase that in coherent English? I would love to respond but I really have no clue what you're complaining about here.

Ok.

When you enter a thread started by someone else, you don't start telling them what they can talk about. Did you get that?

You have this bad habit of thinking you have some control, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! You have no control over anything, ok?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok.

When you enter a thread started by someone else, you don't start telling them what they can talk about. Did you get that?

You have this bad habit of thinking you have some control, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! You have no control over anything, ok?Don't tell him shit, ok?

You get mad and conflate evolution and the big bang every damn time.

It's stupid and you deserve to be called out for being so stupid.

[spurraider21]

A simpelton totally missed the point.

All of those I mentioned look totally different, why is that? Why are Filipino's tiny while Smoans are huge? Why are Kenyans totally different from Nigerians other than black....well?

What about the Watusi, the pgymy?

YOU...calling someone a simpleton, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Dude...WE LOOK DIFFERENT.....how come?
genetic variation. same reason we got poodles, golden retrievers, chihuahuas, and rotweilers... all from the Grey Wolf

[spurraider21]

Ok.

When you enter a thread started by someone else, you don't start telling them what they can talk about. Did you get that?

You have this bad habit of thinking you have some control, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! You have no control over anything, ok?
my apologies.

in a thread called "Evolution...?" i was just confused as to why you make the error of combining the evolution discussion with the big bang discussion.

[Avante]

Fish started it all....so here comes the monkey.....we humans came from a monkey who came from a fish. Now we humans are black, yellow, brown, huge, tiny, kinky hair, slanted eyes, not slanted eyes.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that from a glob of goo on an ocean bottom, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Avante, why did Jesus make Neanderthals?

[ChumpDumper]

Fish started it all....so here comes the monkey.....we humans came from a monkey who came from a fish. Now we humans are black, yellow, brown, huge, tiny, kinky hair, slanted eyes, not slanted eyes.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that from a glob of goo on an ocean bottom, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not exactly, but that's as close as you will probably ever come to understanding.

[Avante]

genetic variation. same reason we got poodles, golden retrievers, chihuahuas, and rotweilers... all from the Grey Wolf

genetic variation.....so there is no reason we have this variation, right?

[spurraider21]

Fish started it all....so here comes the monkey.....we humans came from a monkey who came from a fish. Now we humans are black, yellow, brown, huge, tiny, kinky hair, slanted eyes, not slanted eyes.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that from a glob of goo on an ocean bottom, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what you sound like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBHxJBUv_A

[ChumpDumper]

genetic variation.....so there is no reason we have this variation, right?Of course there is a reason.

Why would you think there is no reason?

[Avante]

BANG.....................so here comes earth. On this earth we have water, oceans in these oceans we started off with something that every living creature can trace they origins back to.

How could anyone believe something this stupid?

[spurraider21]

genetic variation.....so there is no reason we have this variation, right?
we have genetic variation because our parents aren't identical twins.

[ChumpDumper]

BANG.....................so here comes earth. On this earth we have water, oceans in these oceans we started off with something that every living creature can trace they origins back to.

How could anyone believe something this stupid?Why is what you believe any better?

What do you believe?

[ChumpDumper]

we have genetic variation because our parents aren't identical twins.Avante's are probably pretty closely related tho.

[Avante]

this is what you sound like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRBHxJBUv_A

Ever stop and ask yourself why so many have a hard time believing the human brain came from a fish that came from some jelly whatever?

Could it be because it's fucking stupid?

[ChumpDumper]

Ever stop and ask yourself why so many have a hard time believing the human brain came from a fish that came from some jelly whatever?

Could it be because it's fucking stupid?It's because they are fucking stupid.

You are fucking stupid.

[spurraider21]

Why is what you believe any better?

What do you believe?
0:45 tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8

[Avante]

we have genetic variation because our parents aren't identical twins.

So the Watusi and the Chinaman and the Arab and the Mexican and the pgymy........genetic variations, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

So the Watusi and the Chinaman and the Arab and the Mexican and the pgymy........genetic variations, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!Well, yeah -- What is your evidence they are something other than genetic variations?

Make a list for all of us.

[spurraider21]

So the Watusi and the Chinaman and the Arab and the Mexican and the pgymy........genetic variations, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. This is actually probably the simplest concept of anything we've ever discussed.

[Avante]

Yes. This is actually probably the simplest concept of anything we've ever discussed.

You see nothing weird at all about that do you?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH27ug9YMVY

You really buy this fantasy?

[ChumpDumper]

You see nothing weird at all about that do you?Seeing as people don't look all the same, it's the most normal thing in the world.

Why is genetic variation weird to you Avante?

List the reasons.

[spurraider21]

You see nothing weird at all about that do you?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH27ug9YMVY
why do you frantically change the topic every time :lol

we went from fish on land... to the ancestors of fish... to the evolution of the eye... to races of humans...

and now back to fish. everytime you run into a dead end you frantically change the topic to something else. i can see through it. i only humor you because i enjoy educating

[spurraider21]

Avante what do you think about this video (just watch 15 seconds of it, starting from 0:45).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8#t=46

does this make more sense to you than evolution?

[Avante]

why do you frantically change the topic every time :lol

we went from fish on land... to the ancestors of fish... to the evolution of the eye... to races of humans...

and now back to fish. everytime you run into a dead end you frantically change the topic to something else. i can see through it. i only humor you because i enjoy educating

Well if humoring me is your goal, trust me little man you are a huge success, since I've been laughing my ass off at just how stupid you really are.

Dude, we did not come from fish....ok? If you believe that you're an idiot and whoever taught you that bullshit is also an idiot.

You....educate, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[spurraider21]

Well if humoring me is your goal, trust me little man you are a huge success, since I've been laughing my ass off at just how stupid you really are.

Dude, we did not come from fish....ok? If you believe that you're an idiot and whover taught you that bullshit is also an idiot.

You....educate, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
out of your 33 community college units, how many of them were biology, chemistry, or geology?

[ChumpDumper]

Well if humoring me is your goal, trust me little man you are a huge success, since I've been laughing my ass off at just how stupid you really are.

Dude, we did not come from fish....ok? If you believe that you're an idiot and whoever taught you that bullshit is also an idiot.

You....educate, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!What is your evidence we came from something else?

[Avante]

Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) what do you think about this video (just watch 15 seconds of it, starting from 0:45).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8#t=46

does this make more sense to you than evolution?

You're the one......we were fish....not me.

[ChumpDumper]

out of your 33 community college units, how many of them were biology, chemistry, or geology?Dude, I have a flag football trophy....so don't....tell me shit, ok?

[Avante]

out of your 33 community college units, how many of them were biology, chemistry, or geology?

Would it matter? I wouldn't buy we came from fish under any circumstances because we didn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Would it matter? I wouldn't buy we came from fish under any circumstances because we didn't.Of course you can't comprehend it.

I believe he just wants to know precisely how ignorant you are when it comes to things scientific.

[spurraider21]

You're the one......we were fish....not me.
you didn't answer my question. i asked what you thought of the 15 second scene beginning at 0:45. does that make more sense to you? here i'll post it again. i'm only asking you to watch 15 seconds, not some long 20 minute video i didnt watch. again, start at the 45 second mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8#t=46

[spurraider21]

Would it matter? I wouldn't buy we came from fish under any circumstances because we didn't.
actually, yes. your ability to comprehend scientific theory would obviously be aided by any sort of education on the topic

[Avante]

you didn't answer my question. i asked what you thought of the 15 second scene beginning at 0:45. does that make more sense to you? here i'll post it again. i'm only asking you to watch 15 seconds, not some long 20 minute video i didnt watch. again, start at the 45 second mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVmdCAT7Rc8#t=46

I'll go slow...

You...me...science....whoever......has no clue how this all came about. It's a huge mystery.

To try and sell.....all living creatures evolved from a fish that evolved from some other whatever is just as ....HUH?...as there was a Master Designer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwKq3kxPEA

I've seen all this before.

[Avante]

actually, yes. your ability to comprehend scientific theory would obviously be aided by any sort of education on the topic

Trust me it wouldn't matter at all, fish do not evolve into a million other creatures....ok?

[spurraider21]

you didnt watch the 15 second clip i asked you to. and you expect me to watch a 12 minute video you haven't yourself watched? no thanks

[Avante]

you didnt watch the 15 second clip i asked you to. and you expect me to watch a 12 minute video you haven't yourself watched? no thanks

Yes I did, we had farts, I dream of Genie coming out of the ocean, then she...zap zap zap.

That video backs up what you were saying. I was just showing how I've heard it all before about evolution.

[spurraider21]

Trust me it wouldn't matter at all, fish do not evolve into a million other creatures....ok?
if i had never taken Calculus, i would have never understood how we derive equations from one another. take the derivative of position to get to velocity, take the derivative of velocity to get to acceleration. and you can go backwards, take the integral of acceleration to get to velocity, and the integral of velocity to get to position.

education will allow you to understand things that were previously incomprehensable

[spurraider21]

Yes I did, we had farts, I dream og Genie coming out of the ocean, then she...zap zap zap.

That video backs up what you were saying. I was just showing how I've heard it all before about evolution.
although that is a silly animation, that is essentially what creation teaches. how does that make any more sense than evolution, which can actually be traced with fossils and genetics?

god said let there be, and zap zap zap, he made all the living things...

ZAP... rabbits
ZAP... grass
ZAP... fish
ZAP... apple trees
ZAP... orangutans
ZAP... sea sponges
ZAP... wild blackberries
ZAP... kangaroos, but only in australia
ZAP... anacondas

that doesn't seem silly at all?

[ChumpDumper]

Trust me it wouldn't matter at all, fish do not evolve into a million other creatures....ok?OK, but now I'm just curious.

How many college credits in any science field did you earn?

[Avante]

although that is a silly animation, that is essentially what creation teaches. how does that make any more sense than evolution, which can actually be traced with fossils and genetics?

god said let there be, and zap zap zap, he made all the living things...

ZAP... rabbits
ZAP... grass
ZAP... fish
ZAP... apple trees
ZAP... orangutans
ZAP... sea sponges
ZAP... wild blackberries
ZAP... kangaroos, but only in australia
ZAP... anacondas

that doesn't seem silly at all?

It's all totally crazy and unbelievable I didn't make that clear? Hell, here we are just hanging here.

Look at a sperm cell. it can create life. Look at dreams. All kinds of.....wow!!!!!!!!!

Right now that dish on the top of the house is receiving a signal from...outer space. Wow!!!!!!!

Look at a CD, look at what we are doing right now...wow!!!!!!!

Look at how the earth rotates at an exact speed, the distance friom the sun.

If something as large as the sun can just hang there don't tell me ....zap anything is that far out there.

[spurraider21]

It's all totally crazy and unbelievable I didn't make that clear? Hell, here we are just hanging here.

Look at a sperm cell. it can create life. Look at dreams. All kinds of.....wow!!!!!!!!!

Right now that dish on the top of the house is receiving a signal from...outer space. Wow!!!!!!!

Look at a CD, look at what we are doing right now...wow!!!!!!!

Look at how the earth rotates at an exact speed, the distance friom the sun.

If something as large as the sun can just hang there don't tell me ....zap anything is that far out there.
look man. life itself is pretty fucking incredible. and one way or another, it's here. no matter how you slice it, the origin is going to seem "incredible."

you and others can go with the theory that god said "let there be" and then "zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap" one my one all the life was made

or you can go with a theory that actually has a mountain of evidence that supports it

[Avante]

OK, but now I'm just curious.

How many college credits in any science field did you earn?

What is wrong with you guy? You so fucking stupid you can't figure out nobody wants you in any discussion? You act like a retard guy, ok? You don't follow people around begging for attention, you don't understand that? GO AWAY, GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this one fucked up guy or what, damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

It's all totally crazy and unbelievable I didn't make that clear? Hell, here we are just hanging here.

Look at a sperm cell. it can create life. Look at dreams. All kinds of.....wow!!!!!!!!!

Right now that dish on the top of the house is receiving a signal from...outer space. Wow!!!!!!!

Look at a CD, look at what we are doing right now...wow!!!!!!!

Look at how the earth rotates at an exact speed, the distance friom the sun.

If something as large as the sun can just hang there don't tell me ....zap anything is that far out there.You look at sperm a lot.

[ChumpDumper]

What is wrong with you guy? You so fucking stupid you can't figure out nobody wants you in any discussion? You act like a retard guy, ok? You don't follow people around begging for attention, you don't understand that? GO AWAY, GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this one fucked up guy or what, damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't tell me shit, ok? Stop doing that it's a very bad habit you've gotten into.

[Avante]

Don't tell me shit, ok?

ChumpDumper

Please stop following me around, pretty pretty please. I don't like you and you only get in everyones way...ok? You never ever start threads, you never ever say anything interesting,....ok? All you do is see if you can bug the growN ups, that sucks little guy, ok? I don't want you around...ok? Stay away from me...alright? You are just a pest.

I never read anything you post, do you realize that? So why bother me knowing that?

Please go bug. bother. pester...those more liKe yourself pretty pretty pretty please.
Go find a Blake, a Clipper Nation they are more on your level. alright?

Now watch this, the boy is so owned it's ridiculous. Here he comes right now.....I GUARANTEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Avante is losing his shit.

Couldn't ignore me if he tried.

And oh how he tried.

Now watch this, the boy is so owned it's ridiculous. Here he comes right now.....I GUARANTEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ezau]

So the Watusi and the Chinaman and the Arab and the Mexican and the pgymy........genetic variations, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

This moron probably hasn't heard of the 'Out of Africa' theory. Basically, every human being living outside of Africa today is a descendant of a small band of humans who left Africa around 100,000 to 150,000 years ago. Google Spencer Wells, Mitochondrial Eve, and Y-Chromosomal Adam if you want to learn about it.

[Avante]

Check it out....

The boy does all he can to get me to talk about how fucked up he is and then it's.....see see see you can't ignore me can ya can ya huh huh huh......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This cocksucker is 100% totally and completely..................OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine going around seeing if you can get Avante to toss you a crumb so you can wack off to.....Avante talked to me....is that sick or what? The boy too stupid to figure he's annoying as a shit eating fly.

[Avante]

This moron probably hasn't heard of the 'Out of Africa' theory. Basically, every human being living outside of Africa today is a descendant of a small band of humans who left Africa around 100,000 to 150,000 years ago. Look up Spencer Wells if you want to learn about it.

I'm already familiar with that.

It's comical how it;'s....oh that's just genetic variation....as if it was just the thing to do.

Look at Asian men all 5-7 of them, they look nothing like a Samoan. The Kenyans have a unique look. But we all came from litle fishies, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Avante why do different kinds of dogs look so different even though we KNOW they all came from grey wolves?

[ezau]

I'm already familiar with that.

It's comical how it;'s....oh that's just genetic variation....as if it was just the thing to do.

Look at Asian men all 5-7 of them, they look nothing like a Samoan. The Kenyans have a unique look. But we all came from litle fishies, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not at all surprising, tbh. Dogs, for instance, have so much variation but they all belong in the same species as wolves. It's not hard to believe that humanity is just one big family that spread around the world in less than 200,000 years.

However, I still have reservations with the entire premise of the theory of Evolution. For instance, how could an object as complicated as the human brain can originate from a single photon of light at the start of the Universe. In 15 billion years, you can create the human brain from a single photon of light and that all happened 'randomly'.

[ChumpDumper]

Check it out....

The boy does all he can to get me to talk about how fucked up he is and then it's.....see see see you can't ignore me can ya can ya huh huh huh......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This cocksucker is 100% totally and completely..................OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine going around seeing if you can get Avante to toss you a crumb so you can wack off to.....Avante talked to me....is that sick or what? The boy too stupid to figure he's annoying as a shit eating fly.Check it out.

Avante posted about me.

Again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

It's not at all surprising, tbh. Dogs, for instance, have so much variation but they all belong in the same species as wolves. It's not hard to believe that humanity is just one big family that spread around the world in less than 200,000 years.

However, I still have reservations with the entire premise of the theory of Evolution. For instance, how could an object as complicated as the human brain can originate from a single photon of light at the start of the Universe. In 15 billion years, you can create the human brain from a single photon of light and that all happened 'randomly'.
the theory of evolution (at least in regards to life on earth) is independent from the big bang theory. the theory of evolution is that life on earth has a common ancestor. how that first life got there is also separate from the theory of evolution.

could have landed on earth from a meteor, could have formed on earth (abiogenesis), could have been planted by a creator... that's all a different discussion

[ezau]

the theory of evolution (at least in regards to life on earth) is independent from the big bang theory. the theory of evolution is that life on earth has a common ancestor. how that first life got there is also separate from the theory of evolution.

I know that, but isn't it too amazing that all these events happened randomly as what many scientists suggest? Although it's hard to refute the body of evidence against evolution, how does one species 'pop' out or differentiate itself from the previous 'species' that it evolved from is quite baffling.

[spurraider21]

I know that, but isn't it too amazing that all these events happened randomly as what many scientists suggest? Although it's hard to refute the body of evidence against evolution, how does one species 'pop' out or differentiate itself from the previous 'species' that it evolved from is quite baffling.
as long as you don't look at it like a "eureka! new species!" moment, it makes more sense.

if you picture the lineage as something like: ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-[oven bell dings]-HUMAN!!!!

then yeah it makes no sense. we know for a fact that all dogs we have today originated as wild grey wolves. while most still classify them as the same species, there are some dogs that are incapable of breeding with wolves, while some dogs can. its a gradual shift, there is no "ta-da" moment

[ezau]

as long as you don't look at it like a "eureka! new species!" moment, it makes more sense.

if you picture the lineage as something like: ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-ape-[oven bell dings]-HUMAN!!!!

then yeah it makes no sense. we know for a fact that all dogs we have today originated as wild grey wolves. while most still classify them as the same species, there are some dogs that are incapable of breeding with wolves, while some dogs can. its a gradual shift, there is no "ta-da" moment

Fair enough, tbh.

[Avante]

look man. life itself is pretty fucking incredible. and one way or another, it's here. no matter how you slice it, the origin is going to seem "incredible."

you and others can go with the theory that god said "let there be" and then "zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap" one my one all the life was made

or you can go with a theory that actually has a mountain of evidence that supports it

I'll go with.......we don't know....but, it's far easier to believe all this had a Master Designer than just.....BANG....then here come some fish.

[spurraider21]

I'll go with.......we don't know....but, it's far easier to believe all this had a Master Designer than just.....BANG....then here come some fish.
you can go with "whats easier" to you, and i'll go with what has mountains of evidence

[Avante]

you can go with "whats easier" to you, and i'll go with what has mountains of evidence

I don't give a fuck what ya go with.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzpd0Yl44ZE

[Avante]

At a bar full of honey's

honey....you're skinny, so you're that weirdo who once a fish, right?
you..well no it's really not like that, you ever have biology or chemistry, I did, I smart.

honey...damn, I"ll have some of what you eat big boy, so you believe in God, right? He created all this.
me....why don't we put that on hold right now, wanna dance?

[ChumpDumper]

A bar full of honey's what?

[mouse]

This moron probably hasn't heard of the 'Out of Africa' theory. Basically, every human being living outside of Africa today is a descendant of a small band of humans who left Africa around 100,000 to 150,000 years ago. Google Spencer Wells, Mitochondrial Eve, and Y-Chromosomal Adam if you want to learn about it.

You need to update your data a human skull that dates back to 700.000 years was found in northern Greece
http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283

[Avante]

We can have a gigantic ball of fire hovering over us that has been burning forever. We can be hanging upside down as the earth rotates and nobody can feel the spinning or falls off. We can have winds so powerful they can topple buildings. We can have living things so small they can't be seen by the naked eye. We can have nutrients in the ground that are needed to sustain life. The world is full of amazing things, yet some struggle with, this didn't all come about by chance, it took a Master Designer.

It simply makes so much sense.

We have everything we must have to sustain life, that just...BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahaha!!!!! !!

[spurraider21]

You need to update your data a human skull that dates back to 700.000 years was found in northern Greece
http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283
why is this not published in any peer reviewed source?

[Avante]

why is this not published in any peer reviewed source?

Dude, stay out of my threads, ok?

[spurraider21]

no

[ezau]

You need to update your data a human skull that dates back to 700.000 years was found in northern Greece
http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/petralona-cave-skull-3.jpg

:lol Humanoid, yes, but Human? No:lol

I'm thinking that humanoid line died out before the arrival of Neanderthals in Europe.

[Blake]

We can have a gigantic ball of fire hovering over us that has been burning forever. We can be hanging upside down as the earth rotates and nobody can feel the spinning or falls off. We can have winds so powerful they can topple buildings. We can have living things so small they can't be seen by the naked eye. We can have nutrients in the ground that are needed to sustain life. The world is full of amazing things, yet some struggle with, this didn't all come about by chance, it took a Master Designer.

It simply makes so much sense.

We have everything we must have to sustain life, that just...BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahaha!!!!! !!

We still have to take craps.