Evolution...?

[RD2191]

Avante is here just to get a rise out of posters tbh.

and yes, I agree with you. There are many more differences. I'm more of a thermodynamics guy tho so you can imagine what aspects I look into more. Thermodynamics is lyfe.
Sup with dat 2nd law of thermodynamics? tbh

[pgardn]

Not sking about..."most likely"....genius. I;m asking you if you think something as complex as DNA could just happen by chance? Are you capable of....yes or no?

Yes we think the DNA system arose from a simpler RNA system. The evidence is compelling but in science, we are open to new evidence that involves science.

The fact you keep asking the same question over and over again and I keep answering again proves...

[Avante]

Avante is here just to get a rise out of posters tbh.

and yes, I agree with you. There are many more differences. I'm more of a thermodynamics guy tho so you can imagine what aspects I look into more. Thermodynamics is lyfe.

Not at all, I just get tired of dummies who totally ignore reality.

[pgardn]

yes I do...

And I can point at all the flaws in what you posted above but you would not understand the explanations for one basic reason, you don't have a clue as to what you have posted.

Next.

[Avante]

Yes we think the DNA system arose from a simpler RNA system. The evidence is compelling but in science, we are open to new evidence that involves science.

The fact you keep asking the same question over and over again and I keep answering again proves...

I think DNA came from a Master Designer, do you?

[pgardn]

Not at all, I just get tired of dummies who totally ignore MY reality.

[TE]

Sup with dat 2nd law of thermodynamics? tbh
God likes to party, tbh. Night is always young.

Not at all, I just get tired of dummies who totally ignore reality.
:lol

[Avante]

CAN ANYONE ANSEWRR THIS SIMPLE QUESTION?????????????????????????????????

DID DNA COME FROM A MASTER DESIGNER OR BY CHANCE????????????????????????????????????


Wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

I think DNA came from a Master Designer, do you?

Does your master designer make mistakes? If so, possibly, but there are better explanations using science. YOUR MASTER DESIGNER. Like I'm supposed to know what that means.

What at attributes does your master designer have, perfection, goal oriented end product, what?

YOUR master designer...

[RD2191]

God likes to party, tbh. Night is always young.

:lol
:lol

[Avante]

Does your master designer make mistakes? If so, possibly, but there are better explanations using science.

Dude, do you ever just answer a question?

[spurraider21]

thermodynamics is tough shit tbh... it was one of the most interesting and most challenging subjects i've encountered. ugh

[RD2191]

Googles thermodynamics. :pctoss

[Avante]

Notice how nobody here can answer this simple question....

Do you think the complexities of DNA just came about by chance?

Amazing.

[spurraider21]

if the master designer was such a master why would he need to make DNA polymerase to "proofread" errors instead of just creating an error free system? seems like a waste of time. same with mistakes made in mRNA translation.

why would the master designer create viruses? just to fuck with us?

[SnakeBoy]

And btw, the system is flawed and far from perfect even though it is complex. A computer programmer would never invent a system so easily flawed and containing mistakes.

Are you sure about that? Industry averages are between 10 -50 errors per 1000 lines of code.

[spurraider21]

Notice how nobody here can answer this simple question....

Do you think the complexities of DNA just came about by chance?

Amazing.
while "chance" isn't the best word to describe it, i would say yes, long story short. although you have to realize that nobody is claiming that one day things magically happened and BAM we had DNA from nowhere. as pgardn has said, DNA is most likely derived from RNA, a much simpler form of genetic material

[pgardn]

Notice how nobody here can answer this simple question....

Do you think the complexities of DNA just came about by chance?

Amazing.

You have no idea what that question actually entails, you have already proven that.

And why do you ask this just about DNA? Ask it about a human brain, something much more complex and also imperfect.
You are just chasing your tail.

[TE]

while "chance" isn't the best word to describe it, i would say yes, long story short. although you have to realize that nobody is claiming that one day things magically happened and BAM we had DNA from nowhere. as pgardn has said, DNA is most likely derived from RNA, a much simpler form of genetic material
DNA is also much more stable than RNA. there was probably some developmental mechanism that favored DNA over RNA for this fact.

[RD2191]

spurraider my Armenian nigga, what is it that you do and are you using your degree?

[pgardn]

DNA is also much more stable than RNA. there was probably some developmental mechanism that favored DNA over RNA for this fact.

It is, but RNA has the capability of playing the duel role of information and enzyme.
It can easily make more of itself in vitro which is absolutely cool.

[pgardn]

if the master designer was such a master why would he need to make DNA polymerase to "proofread" errors instead of just creating an error free system? seems like a waste of time. same with mistakes made in mRNA translation.

why would the master designer create viruses? just to fuck with us?

See there is such good stuff along these lines. The imbedded viral sequences, the psuedogenes... On and on.
I can appreciate music AND the fascination of science. I sincerely wish others could as well.

[TE]

but RNA has the capability of playing the duel role of information and enzyme.
It can easily make more of itself in vitro which is absolutely cool.
This is known. I'm speaking more in terms of stability. There are thousands of reactions that can occur with a basic hydroxyl group. I hate speaking teleologically but it's clear more complex biological systems preferred using DNA over RNA for this fact. Shit, even tho DNA exists to be the more stable between the two it still encounters reactions that can be bad for it (leading to mutations of the genome).

[spurraider21]

spurraider my Armenian nigga, what is it that you do and are you using your degree?
:lol law school tbh

[RD2191]

:lol law school tbh
Thought you were a scientist? The fuck.

[Avante]

while "chance" isn't the best word to describe it, i would say yes, long story short. although you have to realize that nobody is claiming that one day things magically happened and BAM we had DNA from nowhere. as pgardn has said, DNA is most likely derived from RNA, a much simpler form of genetic material

Cool!

http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodLife.htm

[pgardn]

thermodynamics is tough shit tbh... it was one of the most interesting and most challenging subjects i've encountered. ugh

Quantum Mechanics is tops on my list for tough.
I barely got the ideas just using energy levels in H atom.

Thermo actually makes sense.

[Blake]

Notice how nobody here can answer this simple question....

Do you think the complexities of DNA just came about by chance?

Amazing.

You've got me on ignore, fat ass.

[spurraider21]

Cool!

http://www.creationism.org/heinze/SciEvidGodLife.htm
a) creationism.org :lol
b) did you read all of that?

[spurraider21]

Thought you were a scientist? The fuck.
i have a degree in biochemistry, but am also in law school. patent law is an option... i mostly chose biochem to give me more flexibility in case i wanted to pursue pharm/med, while also leaving the door open for law. law has no class requirements, med/pharm do

[RD2191]

I need some books on Biology. Any recommendations?

[RD2191]

i have a degree in biochemistry
Why aren't you using it?

[spurraider21]

Why aren't you using it?
i just edited my last post, explains it.

also i'm looking into patent law, which requires a science background and a separate patent bar

[spurraider21]

I need some books on Biology. Any recommendations?
check creationism.org and their recommended book list! also why would u need a biology book, the Holy Bible explains it all. "god said, let there be" etc etc

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2RD4vTuPN0

[RD2191]

i have a degree in biochemistry, but am also in law school. patent law is an option... i mostly chose biochem to give me more flexibility in case i wanted to pursue pharm/med, while also leaving the door open for law. law has no class requirements, med/pharm do
Oh okay, that's badass.

[TE]

Quantum Mechanics is tops on my list for tough.
I barely got the ideas just using energy levels in H atom.

Thermo actually makes sense.
I took a grad course in pchem last spring. I came to appreciate QM a lot more. I had a minor in math and even then some of the material required math beyond my understanding.

[RD2191]

check creationism.org and their recommended book list! also why would u need a biology book, the Holy Bible explains it all. "god said, let there be" etc etc
I'm being serious, faggot.

[pgardn]

This is known. I'm speaking more in terms of stability. There are thousands of reactions that can occur with a basic hydroxyl group. I hate speaking teleologically but it's clear more complex biological systems preferred using DNA over RNA for this fact. Shit, even tho DNA exists to be the more stable between the two it still encounters reactions that can be bad for it (leading to mutations of the genome).

Sure if the goal is keeping a cleaner sheet of information. Which is obviously important if that information, giving that specific environment, works well. But in rapidly changing environments it's important to produce as much variation as possible. Some of the RNA viruses are evidence that it can be quite handy.

[spurraider21]

Oh okay, that's badass.
in hindsight i should have just majored in political science like meow and graduated in 3 years, saving me some tuition and long nights :lol

[ChumpDumper]

WHO CAN TELL ME HOW DNA CAME ABOUT BY CHANCE??????????????????????????

Damn people how many ways can you ignore that question?
Seems more likely than magic Jesus.

[RD2191]

in hindsight i should have just majored in political science like meow and graduated in 3 years, saving me some tuition and long nights :lol
Yeah, I don't know how you guys do it. I fucking hated school. Felt like a prison. I'd probably suicide in college. :lol Did you get laid a lot? Cali has some fine ass women.

[pgardn]

I took a grad course in pchem last spring. I came to appreciate QM a lot more. I had a minor in math and even then some of the material required math beyond my understanding.

Im a bit further back. And I also had trouble with the math. I appreciate it but when all the trees are in the way of a deeper understanding, it's frustrating. My professor said if you really think you understand QM, you really don't. I will never forget that.

[RD2191]

Seems more likely than magic Jesus.
I think it is a perfectly reasonable question. I'm guessing scientist are working backwards to find the answer. Sort of breaking it down step by step.

[Avante]

Notice how nobody ever really answered the question?

The reason being they can't explain how something as complex as DNA just came about by chance. And I knew they couldn't.

[spurraider21]

:lol Did you get laid a lot? Cali has some fine ass women.
got around... nothing bragworthy though. big change from high school. its not usually the coolest high school kids that go to ucla as biochem majors :lol
have had a gf since the start of my last year, so there's that too

[Avante]

Now watch as everyone tries to get far far away from trying to explain DNA with no designer....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

I think it is a perfectly reasonable question. I'm guessing scientist are working backwards to find the answer. Sort of breaking it down step by step.
Of course it's reasonable, but science is fine with having unknowns. That's the whole point. Religion starts out with an answer and tries to make the evidence fit. Science changes the hypothesis if the evidence doesn't support it.

[RD2191]

got around... nothing bragworthy though. big change from high school. its not usually the coolest high school kids that go to ucla as biochem majors :lol
have had a gf since the start of my last year, so there's that too
:lol:tu

[Avante]

I WIN!

[spurraider21]

Notice how nobody ever really answered the question?

The reason being they can't explain how something as complex as DNA just came about by chance. And I knew they couldn't.
i did. stop lying

[pgardn]

Notice how nobody ever really answered the question?

The reason being they can't explain how something as complex as DNA just came about by chance. And I knew they couldn't.

It's like asking if you came about by chance and then killing your parents and your relatives when you were an infant.


Seriously you don't know how to ask a good question if you don't believe living things came from living things. There is no history for anything for you. And you claim to understand changes in music like the blues from the 50s till now. Tell me about those changes. Did the blues today have anything it relied on to give it the sound it has today? What changes took place and were they just chance? Is it just chance when phrases like Da Bomb arise and then just die when other phrases like Cool have a longer time frame in the history of language?

Are you really this dull that you can't see appropriate and inappropriate parallels?

[pgardn]

I WIN!

Oh Good God.
This is a game and avante is the referee.
We lose. Damn...

[Avante]

i did. stop lying

Bullshit! So how did we get DNA or even RNA? In order for no Master Designer needed, you'd need to know how it did come about.

[spurraider21]

Bullshit! So how did we get DNA or even RNA? In order for no Master Designer needed, you'd need to know how it did come about.
did you literally just define god of the gaps :lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:rollin

[Avante]

Oh Good God.
This is a game and avante is the referee.
We lose. Damn...

Nope, Avante just knows something as complex as DNA takes a Mater Designer. Impossible to just happen by chance not unlike the Pyraminds.

[spurraider21]

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/82/61/f5657ea6e8a5225a9c0c692817d5bf5c-micdrop07.gif

[Avante]

did you literally just define god of the gaps :lol


Did you just tap dance around not explaining if no Master Designer then how did DNA come about....AGAIN!!!!!!

[pgardn]

It's like asking if you came about by chance and then killing your parents and your relatives when you were an infant.


Seriously you don't know how to ask a good question if you don't believe living things came from living things. There is no history for anything for you. And you claim to understand changes in music like the blues from the 50s till now. Tell me about those changes. Did the blues today have anything it relied on to give it the sound it has today? What changes took place and were they just chance? Is it just chance when phrases like Da Bomb arise and then just die when other phrases like Cool have a longer time frame in the history of language?

Are you really this dull that you can't see appropriate and inappropriate parallels?

[Avante]

http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/82/61/f5657ea6e8a5225a9c0c692817d5bf5c-micdrop07.gif


translation

I have no idea how DNA came about, ok?

[spurraider21]

In order for no Master Designer needed, you'd need to know how it did come about.
:lmao

translation: god of the gaps

:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

translation

I have no idea how DNA came about, ok?Nor do you.

It's a tie!

[pgardn]

Did you just tap dance around not explaining if no Master Designer then how did DNA come about....AGAIN!!!!!!

Tell us about the Master designer. Maybe we don't know enough about the master designer to even approach an answer you NEED. It's literally impossible to communicate with someone who only communicates using a series of moans and groans.

[Avante]

It's like asking if you came about by chance and then killing your parents and your relatives when you were an infant.


Seriously you don't know how to ask a good question if you don't believe living things came from living things. There is no history for anything for you. And you claim to understand changes in music like the blues from the 50s till now. Tell me about those changes. Did the blues today have anything it relied on to give it the sound it has today? What changes took place and were they just chance? Is it just chance when phrases like Da Bomb arise and then just die when other phrases like Cool have a longer time frame in the history of language?

Are you really this dull that you can't see appropriate and inappropriate parallels?

Are you really trying to compare them blues with DNA.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Are you realy this stupid?

[RD2191]

:lol

[pgardn]

Bullshit! So how did we get DNA or even RNA? In order for no Master Designer needed, you'd need to know how it did come about.


This can all be explained using science and has. But eventually we will get back to the basic how do we know anything...
If this is what you want fine, go to the corner of the room, curl up in the fetal position, and suck your thumb.

Bottom line: stop posting pieces of articles you know nothing about.

[spurraider21]

:lol
:lol avante arguing for 50+ pages just to show he has been reduced to god of the gaps fallacy

[pgardn]

Are you really trying to compare them blues with DNA.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Are you realy this stupid?

I am using change as an analogy that you don't get.
CHANGE THRU TIME.

Does this basic idea escape you because it did with DNA?
Twist attempts to explain IDEAS and then laugh when cornered.

[Avante]

Tell us about the Master designer. Maybe we don't know enough about the master designer to even approach an answer you NEED. It's literally impossible to communicate with someone who only communicates using a series of moans and groans.

Notice how I won't be going off into somerthing totally out there like you do? I answer questions, can't tap dance worth a damn. Moan and groan, what are retarded?

If not for life on earth and us humans we'd need no Master Designer. But since here we are it's real real obvious we didn't get here by chance, only a fool would think we did. Too many things having to work in harmony to pull this off.

Obviously who/what this/these Master Designer (s) are is a mystery to all of us. We just don't know but what we do know is something as complex as DNA couldn't have came about simply by chance, what would be impossible and anything thinking it did just come about by chance an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Notice how I won't be going off into somerthing totally out there like you do? I answer questions, can't tap dance worth a damn. Moan and groan, what are retarded?

If not for life on earth and us humans we'd need no Master Designer. But since3 here we are it's real real obvious we didn't get us by chance, only a fool would think we did. Too many things having to work in harmony to pull this off.

Obviously who/what this/these Master Designer (s) are is a mystery to all of us. We just don't know but what we do know is something as complex as DNA could have came about simply by chance, what would be impossible and anything thinking it did just come about by chance an idiot.Dude. If man just threw up his hands and attributed every unknown to magic Jesus there wouldn't be any football almanac.

[Avante]

I am using change as an analogy that you don't get.
CHANGE THRU TIME.

Does this basic idea escape you because it did with DNA?
Twist attempts to explain IDEAS and then laugh when cornered.

Dude, you are trying to use something so far away from something else to make a point, it's comical. There is nothing complex at all about them blues. And time will never change that.

Is this guy for real?

[RD2191]

rofl, Avante pulling a robdiaz:lol

[spurraider21]

rofl, Avante pulling a robdiaz:lol
not really. you're different. you have faith, w/e... hard to reason with it.

avante tries to reason but is exploited as a simple god of gaps type of fella. plus u dont really spam links except random pictures of people

[Avante]

This can all be explained using science and has. But eventually we will get back to the basic how do we know anything...
If this is what you want fine, go to the corner of the room, curl up in the fetal position, and suck your thumb.

Bottom line: stop posting pieces of articles you know nothing about.

When did science prove that DNA just came about by chance? And stop acting like reading/watching is some complex ordeal..ok shorty?

You seem to never really get what's going on little man, why is that? You talk but say nothing. How about actually paying attention and cool your stupid bullshit, got it?

[TE]

Sure if the goal is keeping a cleaner sheet of information. Which is obviously important if that information, giving that specific environment, works well. But in rapidly changing environments it's important to produce as much variation as possible. Some of the RNA viruses are evidence that it can be quite handy.
Second to last sentence, yeah I guess if you consider how other biological lineages are able to exist in other conditions (on both extremes of the spectrum). Regarding the RNA viruses, which ones are you talking about? The ones that use the RT enzyme? It terms of "handiness", I'm trying to figure out what you mean by that. Are you going by efficiency?

[Avante]

not really. you're different. you have faith, w/e... hard to reason with it.

avante tries to reason but is exploited as a simple god of gaps type of fella. plus u dont really spam links except random pictures of people

I had a feeling you didn't watched any of those videos, or read anything, that explains why you don't get it. I read the guys who do get it and watch those talk about what they know. You need to try that.

[pgardn]

Notice how I won't be going off into somerthing totally out there like you do? I answer questions, can't tap dance worth a damn. Moan and groan, what are retarded?

If not for life on earth and us humans we'd need no Master Designer. But since3 here we are it's real real obvious we didn't get us by chance, only a fool would think we did. Too many things having to work in harmony to pull this off.

Obviously who/what this/these Master Designer (s) are is a mystery to all of us. We just don't know but what we do know is something as complex as DNA could have came about simply by chance, what would be impossible and anything thinking it did just come about by chance an idiot.

Shit it's all a mystery, nothing can be explained reasonably.
When in doubt answer, God.


The basic difference between inquiring minds and list makers like yourself is you NEED answers that fit prior beliefs. You in effect give up.
So we really can't even communicate. It's totally ineffective. We get nowhere. So claim victory, go to bed, and sleep tight.
You win. Your the man. You asked a question no one could answer. Was RNA created by chance? Were nucleotides created by chance, where bases created by chance, was carbon created by chance, were protons created by chance, was energy created by chance...

And you think you stumbled upon some profound question that proves a creator... Good for you.

[spurraider21]

I had a feeling you didn't watched any of those videos, or read anything, that explains why you don't get it. I read the guys who do get it and watch those talk about what they know. You need to try that.
i actually did watch/read them which is why i responded to almost every single one of them. stop lying

[pgardn]

Second to last sentence, yeah I guess if you consider how other biological lineages are able to exist in other conditions (on both extremes of the spectrum). Regarding the RNA viruses, which ones are you talking about? The ones that use the RT enzyme? It terms of "handiness", I'm trying to figure out what you mean by that. Are you going by efficiency?

The ability to mutate rapidly and produce diversity in a short period of time. RNA viruses do this well as do bacteria that use much simpler information mechanisms.

Cold viruses are actually more effective. But in the long run, all require a host. So Bacteria rule, evolutionarily.

[Avante]

Shit it's all a mystery, nothing can be explained reasonably.
When in doubt answer, God.


The basic difference between inquiring minds and list makers like yourself is you NEED answers that fit prior beliefs. You in effect give up.
So we really can't even communicate. It's totally ineffective. We get nowhere. So claim victory, go to bed, and sleep tight.
You win. Your the man. You asked a question no one could answer. Was RNA created by chance? Were nucleotides created by chance, where bases created by chance, was carbon created by chance, were protons created by chance, was energy created by chance...

And you think you stumbled upon some profound question that proves a creator... Good for you.

translation

I did everything I could to tap dance, shuck and jive out of this but that damn Avante never let up, he knew I was full of shit. Hell no DNA wasn't just created by chance.....there I finally said it. If I'm ever in a fox hole, I want Avante there with me, the guy is a pit bull.

[Avante]

i actually did watch/read them which is why i responded to almost every single one of them. stop lying

Then how come you didn't learn how things really are instead of that silly bullshit of yours?

[SnakeBoy]

I need some books on Biology. Any recommendations?

If you just want to get an understanding of evolution then there are plenty of tutorials to be found online like this one...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

[pgardn]

translation

I did everything I could to tap dance, shuck and jive out of this but that damn Avante never let up, he knew I was full of shit. Hell no DNA wasn't just created by chance.....there I finally said it. If I'm ever in a fox hole, I want Avante there with me, the guy is a pit bull.

There is no translation little man. We are speaking completely different languages, but you can't see it. As to why I am even posting... Hope?

[spurraider21]

Then how come you didn't learn how things really are instead of that silly bullshit of yours?
i pointed out the flaws in what you posted. there wasn't anything to learn from them. they kept regurgitating that DNA is complex. we know that already. nothing to learn from there

avante without looking it up, can you tell me the 4 nucleotide bases that are found in DNA? this is literally a middle school level question

[Avante]

There is no translation little man. We are speaking completely different languages, but you can't see it.

Don't kid yourself little fella, you got lead around like a little dog, trust me.

[SnakeBoy]

Notice how I won't be going off into somerthing totally out there like you do? I answer questions, can't tap dance worth a damn.

How exactly did God create life?

[pgardn]

There is no translation little man. We are speaking completely different languages, but you can't see it. As to why I am even posting... Hope?

[Avante]

i pointed out the flaws in what you posted. there wasn't anything to learn from them. they kept regurgitating that DNA is complex. we know that already. nothing to learn from there

avante without looking it up, can you tell me the 4 nucleotide bases that are found in DNA? this is literally a middle school level question

And that's where I learned it. Structure, Motivators...hmmm?...Information....ok ok...I can't remember.

[Avante]

How exactly did God create life?

I never said God created life.

[SnakeBoy]

I never said God created life.

Ok, well how exactly was life created?

[RD2191]

If you just want to get an understanding of evolution then there are plenty of tutorials to be found online like this one...

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01
I don't believe in evolution. I've read most things on that site before. I just want to learn some things about biology.

[Avante]

Since nobody "here" has a clue how DNA came into existence, I have no choice but to go with what the intelligent people who understand this stuff believe...."nothing as complex as DNA could possbilty come about by chance, it would be impossible".

Now it's football time little people, see ya!

[spurraider21]

And that's where I learned it. Structure, Motivators...hmmm?...Information....ok ok...I can't remember.
lol

you argue against evolution... which you don't understand
by bringing up DNA... which you don't understand

[pgardn]

lol

you argue against evolution... which you don't understand
by bringing up DNA... which you don't understand

To think I actually tried.
Why...

[spurraider21]

it's like a deaf man criticizing a musical piece... unless its a beethoven situation

[pgardn]

it's like a deaf man criticizing a musical piece... unless its a beethoven situation

I thought he actually understood a little of what he posted.
He had absolutely nothing.


Im outta my league in the inability to recognize useless situations. Took me way long.

[ChumpDumper]

lol must be the Jesus!

[pgardn]

lol must be the Jesus!

Nobody fucks with The Jesus.

Little man...

[Blake]

Now watch as everyone tries to get far far away from trying to explain DNA with no designer....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

does the designer have DNA?

did he create himself?

[SnakeBoy]

I thought he actually understood a little of what he posted.
He had absolutely nothing.


Im outta my league in the inability to recognize useless situations. Took me way long.

His only real goal is to bump the page count on his "record" thread, you know that right?

[Blake]

Nope, Avante just knows something as complex as DNA takes a Mater Designer. Impossible to just happen by chance not unlike the Pyraminds.

watchmaker

[pgardn]

His only real goal is to bump the page count on his "record" thread, you know that right?

Nope I had no clue.

But I got him on ignore now.

[xmas1997]

lol must be the Jesus!

Are you ready for me to re-post your humiliation and correction of your "Christian Dogma" blunder where you lumped all religions together as having the same dogma definition?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you ready for me to re-post your humiliation and correction of your "Christian Dogma" blunder where you lumped all religions together as having the same dogma definition?If it's that important to your contest, go ahead.

I'll just post Webster again.

[xmas1997]

If it's that important to your contest, go ahead.

I'll just post Webster again.

Go ahead, post your dictionary definition of Christian dogma, which is what you said it was.
I don't think you can.
All you can do is post one of "dogma" which refers to ALL religions.
And then post one of "contest" since that is so important to you you keep bringing it up.
This must be what it is to you.
For me it is merely exposing your blunder.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Go ahead, post your dictionary definition of Christian dogma, which is what you said it was.
I don't think you can.
All you can do is post one of "dogma" which refers to ALL religions.
And then post one of "contest" since that is so important to you you keep bringing it up.
This must be what it is to you.
For me it is merely exposing your blunder.
:lmaoThat definition applied to all religions. That's the way words work.

[xmas1997]

That definition applied to all religions. That's the way words work.

It "referred" to all religions, not applied to them.

That is totally ignorant of you to think ALL religions have the same dogma, and a huge blunder to have said it did.

I can go back and re-post where you said that it did.

[ChumpDumper]

It "referred" to all religions, not applied to them.

That is totally ignorant of you to think ALL religions have the same dogma, and a huge blunder to have said it did.

I can go back and re-post where you said that it did.I never said all religions have the same dogma.

All religions can have dogma according to that definition.

lol you really have problems with the English language, Ivy.

[xmas1997]

I never said all religions have the same dogma.

All religions can have dogma according to that definition.

lol you really have problems with the English language, Ivy.


You said it was Christian dogma, and it clearly wasn't because I showed you what Christian dogma was.

So then you countered by saying it was dogma according to the dictionary definition, which again you were wrong because it wasn't dogma either, it was doctrine.

You have no room to criticize anyone but yourself for having problems with the English language, douche bag.

[ChumpDumper]

You said it was Christian dogma, and it clearly wasn't because I showed you what Christian dogma was.

So then you countered by saying it was dogma according to the dictionary definition, which again you were wrong because it wasn't dogma either, it was doctrine.

You have no room to criticize anyone but yourself for having problems with the English language, douche bag.Of course it's dogma according to the dictionary.

Every religion has contradictions and people agree to ignore them. That's how religions persist.

I love how you are. taking your contest so personally, btw.

[xmas1997]

Of course it's dogma according to the dictionary.

Every religion has contradictions and people agree to ignore them. That's how religions persist.

I love how you are. taking your contest so personally, btw.


Se, you are confused again.
You should go look up "DOCTRINE", it is different than dogma.

You fucked up pretty badly, just admit it so you don't keep adding to your humiliation.

[ChumpDumper]

Se, you are confused again.
You should go look up "DOCTRINE", it is different than dogma.

You fucked up pretty badly, just admit it so you don't keep adding to your humiliation.I looked up dogma and saw I was right.

Why should I look any further?

[xmas1997]

I looked up dogma and saw I was right.

Why should I look any further?

Because you are the only one in the whole wide world who thinks you are right.

Everyone else knows the REAL definitions and the difference between the dogma and doctrine when they go and look.

You are the only one who thinks they are the same.

[ChumpDumper]

Because you are the only one in the whole wide world who thinks you are right.

Everyone else knows the REAL definitions and the difference between the dogma and doctrine when they go and look.

You are the only one who thinks they are the same.lol speaking for everyone else again.

Pretty arrogant of you. Do you feel you have the right to speak for everyone on the board?

Everyone in the world?

Yes or no.

[xmas1997]

lol speaking for everyone else again.

Pretty arrogant of you. Do you feel you have the right to speak for everyone on the board?

Everyone in the world?

Yes or no.

Trying to deflect won't save you.
Provide your proof, or shut up and go away.

[ChumpDumper]

Trying to deflect won't save you.
Provide your proof, or shut up and go away.So you admit you do not have the right to speak for everyone on the board.

Good. You're learning.

You might be less arrogant from here on out.

[xmas1997]

So you admit you do not have the right to speak for everyone on the board.

Good. You're learning.

You might be less arrogant from here on out.

Deflecting the point won't work.

Get back to the point.

Show everyone here your proof.

[ChumpDumper]

Deflecting the point won't work.

Get back to the point.

Show everyone here your proof.So you didn't learn you can't speak for everyone in the world?

You need to say once and for all whether you think you can or can't.

As for your demands to continue your contest, I have already done everything I need to All that's left is for you to bitterly complain about your contest.










In three separate threads.






















Because it's that important to you.



























lol.

[xmas1997]

For fun I will remind you of your humiliation, your lies about meds, bitterness, and contests, and your dogma blunder wherever I see you post down here and up there.
That should be pretty funny.

[ChumpDumper]

For fun I will remind you of your humiliation, your lies about meds, bitterness, and contests, and your dogma blunder wherever I see you post down here and up there.
That should be pretty funny.Like you've been repeating yourself in these three threads?

I look forward to it.

Get cracking. I've been posting in other forums today.

[xmas1997]

Like you've been repeating yourself in these three threads?

I look forward to it.

Get cracking. I've been posting in other forums today.


At my leisure.

And whenever you least expect it.

It only takes once to discredit you.
:lmao

[mouse]

lol

you argue against evolution... which you don't understand
by bringing up DNA...

So evolution doesn't need DNA?


which you don't understand

If you knew anything about DNA you would know it's not made up of exploding rocks 12 Billion years ago

The truth is the discovery of a hidden DNA code so complex the greatest minds in Science are still speechless sealed the fate on Evolution and has exposed the lies.

The debated ended years ago people, now the intelligent ones on this planet must wait for the rest of the Darwin supports minds to Evolve enough to understand it.

And that could take millions of years.

[Avante]

lol

you argue against evolution... which you don't understand
by bringing up DNA... which you don't understand

Wrong as usual, both very easy to understand. Why continue to act like they aren't?

You read....Evolution.....wow hard to do.
You read....DNA...wow hard to do.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong as usual, both very easy to understand. Why continue to act like they aren't?

You read....Evolution.....wow hard to do.
You read....DNA...wow hard to do.For you?

Impossible.

[spurraider21]

.

So evolution doesn't need DNA?
taking the post out of context. :tu
was pointing out that avante is arguing against something he doesn't understand by bringing in another subject he doesn't understand (happens to be DNA). i never said dna and evolution aren't related. but take a post out of context and u can always poke holes



If you knew anything about DNA you would know it's not made up of exploding rocks 12 Billion years ago
i never mentioned exploding rocks, nor 12 billlion years ago. the earth hasn't been around for nearly that long. the definition of strawman is to argue against a point i never made, or imply that i made that point. well done.


The truth is the discovery of a hidden DNA code so complex the greatest minds in Science are still speechless
they aren't speechless. they talk about it all the time.


sealed the fate on Evolution and has exposed the lies. The debated ended years ago people
lol wut?


now the intelligent ones on this planet must wait for the rest of the Darwin supports minds to Evolve enough to understand it.

And that could take millions of years.
it won't take that long. look how far we've come in just the last 200 years. and even if it did take hundreds or thousands of years, thats how open minds work. they search for the answers, no matter how long it takes, rather than throwing their hands up at the first unknown and saying "well a creator must have done it, so lets stop learning."

that's how you bring the middle ages back

[TeyshaBlue]

.

So evolution doesn't need DNA?



If you knew anything about DNA you would know it's not made up of exploding rocks 12 Billion years ago

The truth is the discovery of a hidden DNA code so complex the greatest minds in Science are still speechless sealed the fate on Evolution and has exposed the lies.

The debated ended years ago people, now the intelligent ones on this planet must wait for the rest of the Darwin supports minds to Evolve enough to understand it.

And that could take millions of years.

This post brought to you by Gene Ray. (Google if you dare)

[Avante]

How anyone could think something as simple as evolution/DNA can be misunderstood or hard to grasp.....???????????

Just take some time and read, yep, just that simple.

[ChumpDumper]

How anyone could think something as simple as evolution/DNA can be misunderstood or hard to grasp.....???????????

Just take some time and read, yep, just that simple.we're waiting for you to read something.

[mouse]

taking the post out of context. :tu

They are your own words defend your postings or you lose credibility.



was pointing out that avante is arguing against something he doesn't understand by bringing in another subject he doesn't understand (happens to be DNA). i never said dna and evolution aren't related. but take a post out of context and u can always poke holes

Then fill in the holes post Evidence humans Evolved from Snails.




i never mentioned exploding rocks, nor 12 billlion years ago,

Your defending Evolution that means you support the big bang theory that also means all matter came about from a huge explosion of matter explain how life started without using the science books and I may reconsider your stance, if your going to support science don't do it half ass and pick only the parts of science that might help you win a debate your going to lose at the end.




. the earth hasn't been around for nearly that long.

If you don't think 4.6 billion years is a long time then your the most patient human in the universe.



the definition of strawman is to argue against a point i never made, or imply that i made that point. well done.

Wrong, the word "strawman" is only used in debates when a person has no answer or wants to justify avoiding the questions.



they aren't speechless. they talk about it all the time.

Who are they? and post some quotes of Scientists saying DNA has scoreboard over Evolution.



it won't take that long. look how far we've come in just the last 200 years. and even if it did take hundreds or thousands of years, thats how open minds work. they search for the answers, no matter how long it takes, rather than throwing their hands up at the first unknown and saying "well a creator must have done it, so lets stop learning."

Well until they finally figure it out or have all the answers the bullshit lies are printed in the school textbooks. Science books don't say "we are searching for the answers they go into great detail how man and the universe came about and with tons of artwork.


that's how you bring the middle ages back

You act like the middle ages is a bad thing when in fact at that time man was much more advanced than he is today at least he didn't believe man evolved from an ape that shit came around in the 1800s thanks to your hero Darwin,

[xmas1997]

we're waiting for you to read something.

At least he can read, that is more than can be said about you.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

At least he can read, that is more than can be said about you.

:lmaoneither of you have proved you have read anything at this point.

[spurraider21]

They are your own words defend your postings or you lose credibility.
no. you take my words out of context, thats you losing your own credibility. by cutting off my words at a certain point, you are altering the meaning of my statement. that's on you


Then fill in the holes post Evidence humans Evolved from Snails.
i never made the claim that humans evolved from snails



Your defending Evolution that means you support the big bang theory that also means all matter came about from a huge explosion of matter explain how life started without using the science books and I may reconsider your stance, if your going to support science don't do it half ass and pick only the parts of science that might help you win a debate your going to lose at the end.
does it? how the universe came to be and how life on earth came to be are two different questions



If you don't think 4.6 billion years is a long time then your the most patient human in the universe.
again, you are taking my words out of context. i never said 4.6 billions years is not a long time. i said the the earth hasn't been around for nearly 12 billion years. the difference between 4.6 billion and 12 billion is humongous. if you don't think that the time difference is significant, than perhaps YOU are the most patient human being of all time



Wrong, the word "strawman" is only used in debates when a person has no answer or wants to justify avoiding the questions.
you are inventing an argument i made, and proceeding to "beat" said argument, like you did just now... you made the false claim that i said 4.6 billion years isn't long. that is a strawman


Who are they? and post some quotes of Scientists saying DNA has scoreboard over Evolution.
again, i never made the claim of "scientists saying DNA has scoreboard over evolution." you are again putting words in my mouth, creating strawman arguments and asking me to defend claims i never made. you are the one that claims scientists are speechless about DNA and how complex it is. if i put any quote of any scientist discussing DNA, it refutes your claim that they are in fact "speechelss"



Well until they finally figure it out or have all the answers the bullshit lies are printed in the school textbooks. Science books don't say "we are searching for the answers they go into great detail how man and the universe came about and with tons of artwork.
while they search for the remaining answers, they teach what they know. a scientist or a science book will never claim to know exactly how the first life on earth came to be. instead, science uses the evidence we do have access to and uses that to build its case. the miller-urey experiment showed that early earth conditions did favor complex proteins forming from simpler ones, for instance. that is an important piece of evidence


You act like the middle ages is a bad thing when in fact at that time man was much more advanced than he is today at least he didn't believe man evolved from an ape that shit came around in the 1800s thanks to your hero Darwin,
the amount of scientific, medical, and technological advancement in europe during the nearly 1000 years of the middle ages pales in comparison to how far we went in the few hundred years since then. in the middle ages we didnt even know dinosaurs existed and for much of the middle ages we believed the sun revolved around the earth

[xmas1997]

neither of you have proved you have read anything at this point.

You still haven't proved any of the things you posted, especially about dogma, contests, bitter, etc.

So you have no room to talk about proofs.

[Avante]

DNA totally proves the existence of some Master Design, and it's just common sense.

[spurraider21]

DNA totally proves the existence of some Master Design, and it's just common sense.
you don't know anything about DNA except that "its very complex" and yet you continue to waive it around like a victory banner. you have no clue what you're talking about, fella

discussing science with you is like discussing sex with a virgin

[ChumpDumper]

you don't know anything about DNA except that "its very complex" and yet you continue to waive it around like a victory banner. you have no clue what you're talking about, fella

He's also fat.

[xmas1997]

He's also fat.

And you're not? We've seen your pics.

[ChumpDumper]

And you're not? We've seen your pics.Where?

[xmas1997]

Where?

Denial, maximus!

[Blake]

DNA totally proves the existence of some Master Design, and it's just common sense.

How did the master designer come into existence

[ChumpDumper]

Denial, maximus!Not here. Not my picture. lol you're afraid to even look at that guy's fb page.

[xmas1997]

Not here. Not my picture. lol you're afraid to even look at that guy's fb page.

^ Irrelevant post by an insignificant troll.

[ChumpDumper]

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gifI offered. You got scared.

[xmas1997]

I offered. You got scared.

^That is not your pic.
But we've all seen yours photoshopped to death.
Thank you SA210.

[ChumpDumper]

^That is not your pic.
But we've all seen yours photoshopped to death.
Thank you SA210.Not here. Not me.

You want to see that guy's FB page?

Or are you pissing yourself right now at the thought of it?

[xmas1997]

Not here. Not me.
You want to see that guy's FB page?
Or are you pissing yourself right now at the thought of it?

No thanks, we all saw your ugly mug way too many times already.
Not interested in it.

[ChumpDumper]

No thanks, we all saw your ugly mug way too many times already.
Not interested in it.OK, pee-pants.

lol afraid of facebook.

It's not like you have to friend the guy. It's a public profile.

[xmas1997]

OK, pee-pants.
lol afraid of facebook.
It's not like you have to friend the guy. It's a public profile.

No thanks, your photoshop thread was good enough for me.
In fact I got bored with you pretty quickly.

[ChumpDumper]

No thanks, your photoshop thread was good enough for me.
In fact I got bored with you pretty quickly.Yet you keep reading everything I post and respond to every one.

The facts are not on your side here. You're pretty obsessed with me.

Replying to deny it is still replying.

[xmas1997]

Yet you keep reading everything I post and respond to every one.
The facts are not on your side here. You're pretty obsessed with me.
Replying to deny it is still replying.

So what?
Melting down about it now?
Okay, fine.

[ChumpDumper]

So what?
Melting down about it now?
Okay, fine.lol keep replying to me in multiple threads then claim you aren't bothering with me

[xmas1997]

lol keep replying to me in multiple threads then claim you aren't bothering with me

I'm not the one making shit up, you are.
Stop replying, it is very simple.
But you can't, you are my puppet.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not the one making shit up, you are.
Stop replying, it is very simple.
But you can't, you are my puppet.lol too late to try reversing the whip.

You're the one who lied about becoming quickly bored and lied about not bothering with me anymore.

I didn't lie the way you lied.

Why did you lie?

[xmas1997]

lol too late to try reversing the whip.
You're the one who lied about becoming quickly bored and lied about not bothering with me anymore.
I didn't lie the way you lied.
Why did you lie?

We all know you are the only one who loves to lie.
I just pull your puppet strings, and lo and behold, chump with another lie.
I own you, you are my personal puppet.

[ChumpDumper]

We all know you are the only one who loves to lie.
I just pull your puppet strings, and lo and behold, chump with another lie.
I own you, you are my personal puppet.
You're too insignificant for me to bother with youlol

[xmas1997]

lol

Yes, keep dancing.
I pull your puppet strings, thus you are insignificant to me and your posts are irrelevant.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, keep dancing.
I pull your puppet strings, thus you are insignificant to me and your posts are irrelevant.
You're too insignificant for me to bother with youlol

[xmas1997]

Yes, keep dancing.
I pull your puppet strings, thus you are insignificant to me and your posts are irrelevant.
Approaching your Defcon 1 melt down again.

[ChumpDumper]

Approaching your Defcon 1 melt down again.Eh, you keep bothering with me after lying about not bothering with me anymore.

You do seem to be pretty upset about being exposed as a liar.

So you will keep bothering with me, making more of a liar of yourself.

lol

[mouse]

a scientist or a science book will never claim to know exactly how the first life on earth came to be

you really want to go there? You really want me to start posting screen shots and quotes from science books?

Look I know you dug up a deep hole for yourself and you want to get out and at the same time not look bad or maybe get humiliated for all to see I know the feeling we all do so if you insist on debating this issue you must stop with the
strawman and putting words in my mouth shtick and post something in your own words so I don't have to see tap dance around every issue.

By using the "strawman" word in every reply only proves my point when it's used in a debate.

I have no issues debating the subject I look forward to educating people like yourself on a daily basis it's not your fault your missinformed. Also I'm on my bike and had to pull over just to reply to you using my phone so I will address you earlier quotes when I get back to my office and can type using a laptop.

All I ask is you do some research and think about your replies before hitting the reply icon.

[spurraider21]

If you keep misrepresenting my posts and putting words in my mouth, I will rightfully call it out every time. If you have some delusion that it proves your point, then that is your issue and your issue alone.

-implying that i ever said 4.6 billion years is not a long time...
-implying that i ever said evolution doesn't need DNA (which it doesn't, actually. RNA is sufficient genetic material to yield genetic variation). nevertheless, bringing up a point i never made prior

[xmas1997]

Eh, you keep bothering with me after lying about not bothering with me anymore.You do seem to be pretty upset about being exposed as a liar.So you will keep bothering with me, making more of a liar of yourself.lol

^Defcon 1 melt down achieved.^
You keep getting called out because of what you have been reduced to after your huge humiliation, all you can do now is repeat my words back to me because of your irrelevance and insignificance.
That is fine, no skin off my back.
Everyone here knows you're the liar, troll, and my puppet.

[TeyshaBlue]

Everyone here knows you're the liar, troll, and my puppet.

Everyone? Might tap the brakes a bit.

[xmas1997]

Everyone? Might tap the brakes a bit.

Now that you're home, staying busy, or do they have you doing limited work?

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone? Might tap the brakes a bit.He speaks for everyone, including you.

It's his thing.

[xmas1997]

He speaks for everyone, including you.

It's his thing.

Your words, not mine.

[Blake]

Your words, not mine.

"everyone" is your word.

[xmas1997]

"everyone" is your word.

At least I tell the truth, unlike you.
Unfortunately some people here don't like the truth, while others distort it, and still others are alien to it, and one here (his name starts with a "c") is guilty of all three.

[Blake]

At least I tell the truth, unlike you.


Well no, you just denied that "everyone" was your word; therefore you lied.

It's there for "everyone" to see.

[xmas1997]

Well no, you just denied that "everyone" was your word; therefore you lied.

It's there for "everyone" to see.

You also like to distort and twist words, sentences, and statements to suit your purpose and distort the truth.
That is fine, doesn't change the truth though, no matter how much you try, we all know this.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone

[xmas1997]

I am the biggest liar in ST history, mark my words, and never believe anything I say, everyone!

Okay.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone here knows you're the liar, troll, and my puppet.
Did you post this?

Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

lol it wouldn't matter if I was a lazy shit or not because it's there for all to see. You still haven't admitted you were wrong so you're lying once again.

If it is there for all to see, but you won't outline it, the default is to simply reject it as false, barring evidence. Your claim, your burden of proof.

Lazy again, and all your junior high posturing won't change that, dude.

[RandomGuy]

If you are pointing out "flaws" in others reasoning - yet - no one can define what "god" is -


Then you are probably lower on the stupidity level than anyone - because you cannot possibly know they are flaws - nor can anyone else - yet you condescendingly assume you are correct and they are not. Pretty flawed reasoning.

It has been fun pointing out how wrong and stupid your reasoning is.


Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
do recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.[5]

Sure. Whatever you say.

[RandomGuy]

Bullshit!

Uh-huh. You asked for evidence, it was given to you, and you pretend you weren't given anything.

You don't really care about what is true, and that is pretty obvious. Create a thread, run away.

meh.

[RandomGuy]

That has been covered at JW meetings, nothing of importance.

So your "free thinking" and "open mind" about the JW bible extends only as far as what you are told to think about it.

Do you hold any opinion about what the Bible says that differs from JW orthodoxy, i.e. what the elders say about it?

[Blake]

we all know this.

lol subtle change doesn't change the meaning.

"we all" = "everyone"

You're still held up on this lie.

[RandomGuy]

Since nobody "here" has a clue how DNA came into existence, I have no choice but to go with what the intelligent people who understand this stuff believe...."nothing as complex as DNA could possbilty come about by chance, it would be impossible".

Now it's football time little people, see ya!

It isn't actually "chance".

Component molecules of RNA and DNA are commonly occurring organic molecules found in the soup of our forming solar system.

Molecules and chemistry follow some very specific patterns, dictated in no small part by the categories we see in the periodic table.

Sodium does not "randomly" (HA!) bond with any other atom, it more readily bonds with other ions that have the appropriate amount of "extra" electrons.

Organic molecules as units follow similar, observable, reproducible patterns.

Lipids clump, smaller building block are pre-disposed to go together in certain ways, and catalytic reactions do the rest.

There is more than a little research done on it, and none of it requires an intelligent "guiding hand" to kick off.

[Avante]

It isn't actually "chance".

Component molecules of RNA and DNA are commonly occurring organic molecules found in the soup of our forming solar system.

Molecules and chemistry follow some very specific patterns, dictated in no small part by the categories we see in the periodic table.

Sodium does not "randomly" (HA!) bond with any other atom, it more readily bonds with other ions that have the appropriate amount of "extra" electrons.

Organic molecules as units follow similar, observable, reproducible patterns.

Lipids clump, smaller building block are pre-disposed to go together in certain ways, and catalytic reactions do the rest.

There is more than a little research done on it, and none of it requires an intelligent "guiding hand" to kick off.

Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

[spurraider21]

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?
yep just like that, it all happened in 5 minutes

[mouse]

If you keep misrepresenting my posts and putting words in my mouth, I will rightfully call it out every time. If you have some delusion that it proves your point, then that is your issue and your issue alone.

-implying that i ever said 4.6 billion years is not a long time...
-implying that i ever said evolution doesn't need DNA (which it doesn't, actually. RNA is sufficient genetic material to yield genetic variation). nevertheless, bringing up a point i never made prior


I can see my last post went right over your head.

Also it seems your so worried about what I think you may have said that you forget it's all still here for us to read.

I said to post something your willing to support and I will be happy to help you see where your misguided and you have not done so. I was willing to start fresh and your so stuck on words in your mouth rants it's interfering in the debate.

A perfect example is you telling xmas1997 it took 5 minutes and when I call you out you don't post any evidence you go on another rant.

[spurraider21]

Also it seems your so worried about what I think you may have said that you forget it's all still here for us to read.
go ahead, have at it

[RandomGuy]

Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

I don't know exactly how the first self-replicating molecules came about, nor do I have to.

It isn't hard to buy once one learns a bit about chemistry.

Do you think that because we haven't explained it, and my never be able to conclusively do so, that means some god thing did it?

[RandomGuy]

Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).


Argument from incredulity/Lack of imagination[edit]
Arguments from incredulity take the form:

P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.


Argument from self-knowing (auto-epistemic)[edit]
Arguments from self-knowing take the form:

If P were true then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be true.
If P were false then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be false.

I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...

[Blake]

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

How did your master designer get here?

Here I am!!!!

[mouse]

I don't know exactly how the first self-replicating molecules came about,

then admit your guessing at best


nor do I have to.


you do if you want to continue debating

[spurraider21]

you do if you want to continue debating
not true. "i don't know" or "we don't know" are perfectly acceptable answers. pretending to know something is worse than accepting that it is an unknown because it closes the book on the topic

[spurraider21]

For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?






I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...
argument from incredulity/lack of imagination

[Jeff Leppard]

not true. "i don't know" or "we don't know" are perfectly acceptable answers. pretending to know something is worse than accepting that it is an unknown because it closes the book on the topic

He's got ya there, mate.

[Avante]

For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

Anyone want to see which one Avante is committing?







I will give an internet cookie to the first person who figures out which logical fallacy is being used in his post...

Or we can always go with...

Avante....so where did RNA/DNA originate?
RandomGuy....well..yakyakblahblahblahyakblahetcetc etcyaketyyak and on and on and on and on.
Avante...so ya don't know, right?
RandomGuy...ok ok....right.

[mouse]

He's got ya there, mate.


psssssst! its a debate not paper rock scissors.

all I read is bullshit circular reasoning and lame excuses for not having any evidence for Evolution and to think I actually thought there was intelligent people in this debate topic.


Intelligent question: "Post evidence of Evolution."

Misguided Evolution supporters : " No one knows" "Science is still exploring" "I never said there was no DNA" "your setting up a strawman"

"I don't have to know how matter got here" "it took place its in the science books"

Intelligent question: So how did the matter form and why did it explode?

Misguided Evolution supporters : " No one knows" "Science is still exploring" "I never said there was no DNA" "your setting up a strawman"

"I don't have to know how matter got here" "it took place its in the science books"


I can't believe RandomLie pulled out the "Soup" card that is so lame.

I told you misguided Darwin supporters They found a mathematical code in the DNA that Science can't explain the code shows up in all life on earth the Evolution debated ended years ago Darwin lost big. Stop making yourselves look so ignorant and post some evidence already!

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Proof-of-Alternative-design.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Proof-of-Alternative-design.mp4)

[mouse]

RandomLie explain this

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Evolution-dead-proof-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Evolution-dead-proof-003.mp4)

[mouse]

Debunk this if you can

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)

[mouse]

/ End of Debate

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_alternative-Design-odds.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/alternative-Design-odds.mp4)

[spurraider21]

RandomLie explain this

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Evolution-dead-proof-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Evolution-dead-proof-003.mp4)
this has nothing of substance in it at all

[spurraider21]

Debunk this if you can

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-003.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-003.mp4)
:lol darwin was in the 1800's, the video says 'scientific advancements debunked it" and yet the maggot experiment they refer to was ran in the 1600's. by darwins time they were WELL aware that spontaneous generation was not a thing

i also love how it brings up the miller-urey experiment and says "the gas composition was wrong" because when they redid the same experiment with the corrected composition it actually gave rise to EVEN MORE diverse molecules

[Avante]

THE BIG BANG...poof-DNA

A Master Designer...DNA.

Boy that's a tuff one.

[ChumpDumper]

THE BIG BANG...poof-DNA

A Master Designer...DNA.

Boy that's a tuff one.So who made the master designer?

[spurraider21]

THE BIG BANG...poof-DNA

A Master Designer...DNA.

Boy that's a tuff one.
maybe what you've been calling "a master designer"...

WAS the big bang

http://i.imgur.com/j74SykU.gif

[xmas1997]

maybe what you've been calling "a master designer"...

WAS the big bang

http://i.imgur.com/j74SykU.gif


This is actually not a preposterous notion, there is that possibility, yet it seems rather improbable.

But just because it is beyond our comprehension of a "master designer", does not make that an impossibility either IMHO.

It seems more logical to imagine this was all due to a master designer as a sentient entity than the big bang as a sentient master designer.

But then you can also extrapolate that the "big bang" may indeed be sentient as well as anything cold be.

Paradox?

[spurraider21]

This is actually not a preposterous notion, there is that possibility, yet it seems rather improbable.

But just because it is beyond our comprehension of a "master designer", does not make that an impossibility either IMHO.

It seems more logical to imagine this was all due to a master designer as a sentient entity than the big bang as a sentient master designer.

But then you can also extrapolate that the "big bang" may indeed be sentient as well as anything cold be.

Paradox?
i dont actually consider the big bang to be a master designer. that view would obviously would have its own inconsistencies. on the other hand, at its simplest, it would appease both those who cling to the notion of a desire as well as those who understand that there is evidence that supports an outwardly expanding universe

however, the ultimate purpose of scientific theory ISN'T to appease to people

[RandomGuy]

Or we can always go with...

Avante....so where did RNA/DNA originate?
RandomGuy....well..yakyakblahblahblahyakblahetcetc etcyaketyyak and on and on and on and on.
Avante...so ya don't know, right?
RandomGuy...ok ok....right.

Which is the argument from ignorance fallacy.

"we don't know", therefore "god did it".

If your thinking on this subject is shown to be consistently flawed, why do you not change your position?

[RD2191]

Which is the argument from ignorance fallacy.

"we don't know", therefore "god did it".

If your thinking on this subject is shown to be consistently flawed, why do you not change your position?
Are you really that stupid or do you just act like it? When did he say anything about God? ID/Creator doesn't mean a God had to create the universe/life.

[RandomGuy]

argument from incredulity/lack of imagination


That is correct. Avante was using the argument from incredulity logical fallacy. If you and I ever get to a GTG, I will be happy to buy you an RL beer.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you really that stupid or do you just act like it? When did he say anything about God? ID/Creator doesn't mean a God had to create the universe/life.Well, I consider creating the universe by oneself pretty godlike.

[mouse]

this has nothing of substance in it at all

And what have you ever posted in this topic that has any "substance"?

To say a high quality video that breaks down the very core of this conversation with not only facts but educated answers a non "substance" reply shows how ignorant and desperate you are trying to some how win some sort of lame online smack off instead of really maybe learning something.


I kinda knew i was wasting my time trying to get an intelligent debate going in this forum and spurraider21 conformed it.

I am actually disappointed of the lack of mentality.

[spurraider21]

That is correct. Avante was using the argument from incredulity logical fallacy. If you and I ever get to a GTG, I will be happy to buy you an RL beer.
come to the LA area, or specifically malibu during the week :lol

[mouse]

So who made the master designer?

Classic ChumpDumper reply.

The man still has it! :lmao

[spurraider21]

And what have you ever posted in this that has any "substance" at all?

To say a high quality video that breaks down the very core of this conversation with not only facts but educated answers a non "substance" reply shows how ignoraint and desperate you are trying to win some online smack off instead of learning something. Very mature i might add.

I kinda knew i was wasting my time trying to get an intelligent debate going in this forum and spurraider21 conformed it.

I am actually disappointed at this lack of mentality.
i say it has no substance because the video itself makes no claims. there are no conclusions that you can draw from it that relate to the evolution vs creationism/intelligent design discussion. it basically says that mathematical constants are very specific numbers. well no shit, that's what makes them constants. its like saying its shocking that the area of a 2 by 2 square is EXACTLY 4 square units, and if it was any less or any more it would destroy much of our understandings of math. well no shit.

the video isn't making a point, which is why i say it has no substance

[ChumpDumper]

Classic ChumpDumper reply.

The man still has it! :lmaoSerious question.

[mouse]

i say it has no substance because the video itself makes no claims. there are no conclusions that you can draw from it that relate to the evolution vs creationism/intelligent design discussion. it basically says that mathematical constants are very specific numbers. well no shit, that's what makes them constants. its like saying its shocking that the area of a 2 by 2 square is EXACTLY 4 square units, and if it was any less or any more it would destroy much of our understandings of math. well no shit.

the video isn't making a point, which is why i say it has no substance




I'm not sure I have the energy but here goes.....

In order for the Universe to function all the galaxies stars planets moons etc...have to orbit rotate and spin precisely in tune in order for us to exist.

The video shows the possibility of some random explosion to create the perfect tuned universe are one billion trillion to one, a number that is impossible to achieve.

It would be like me hitting the power ball lotto straight every week for one million years. The only thing harder to achieve is maybe trying to educate you.

[mouse]

Serious question.

Yes but you didn't ask me.

[spurraider21]

I'm not sure I have the energy but here goes.....

In order for the Universe to function all the galaxies stars planets moons etc...have to orbit rotate and spin precisely in tune in order for us to exist.

The video shows the possibility of some random explosion to create the perfect tuned universe are one billion trillion to one, a number that is impossible to achieve.

It would be like me hitting the power ball lotto straight every week for one million years. The only thing harder to achieve is maybe trying to educate you.
you dont think the universe would function? what the fuck does that mean?

[RandomGuy]

Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA100.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

http://www.toolkitforthinking.com/critical-thinking/anatomy-of-an-argument/denial-arguments/argument-from-personal-incredulity

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Argumentum_ad_ignorantiam


Logically flawed, and therefore rejected. Pick a link, pick several, they all essentially say the same. It is a bunk argument, and not even very new.

Further, I would state the the theory of evolution does not rely or depend on naturalistic abiogenesis.

[mouse]

you dont think the universe would function?


NO! Also Science said so, go after your buddies.


what the fuck does that mean?

Like I said I don't think I have the energy.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Evolutionisdead-001.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Evolutionisdead-001.mp4)

[RandomGuy]

I'm not sure I have the energy but here goes.....

In order for the Universe to function all the galaxies stars planets moons etc...have to orbit rotate and spin precisely in tune in order for us to exist.

The video shows the possibility of some random explosion to create the perfect tuned universe are one billion trillion to one, a number that is impossible to achieve.

It would be like me hitting the power ball lotto straight every week for one million years. The only thing harder to achieve is maybe trying to educate you.

DID SOMEONE SAY RANDOM??!?!?!?

"a billion trillion to one"?

The only way to get that is to create a very large number of universes, let their physics randomly (HA!) be determined, and calculate the probability based on that data.

Have the producers of the video created sextillions (a billion trillion) of universes in an experiment to determine this probability?













The sane, honest answer is:

No, they didn't. They pulled that estimate out of their ass.

[spurraider21]

NO! Also Science said so, go after your buddies.



Like I said I don't think I have the energy.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Evolutionisdead-001.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Evolutionisdead-001.mp4)
what is a "non-functioning" universe and how is it different from a "functioning" universe?

[RandomGuy]

Are you really that stupid or do you just act like it? When did he say anything about God? ID/Creator doesn't mean a God had to create the universe/life.


THE BIG BANG...poof-DNA

A Master Designer...DNA.

Boy that's a tuff one.

(shrugs)

Be happy to take it back, if you can get him to, you know, actually post in his own thread, and clearly state what he is asserting.

Call me when you get that.

Until then, I will be limited to good faith efforts at deciphering his drive-by's.

[spurraider21]

Are you really that stupid or do you just act like it? When did he say anything about God? ID/Creator doesn't mean a God had to create the universe/life.
something that created our universe, planet, and the life on it would be referred to as a god. not necessarily the same god you pray to.

[mouse]

what is a "non-functioning" universe and how is it different from a "functioning" universe?

one is like me, I am a design of some sort of Intelligent source.

The other is like you, the byproduct of a faulty design. Your nothing but what some call in the design industry, irregular like when you buy irregular jeans for 1/2 price. (there is a flaw some where) your the piece of plastic on the floor somewhere in China put there by the 11 year old girl who produces 40 of them in 90 seconds to receive 50 dollars a year. Even if your faulty DNA design gets past the asleep inspector that got the job by having sex with the boss and agreed to only 25 dollars a year lets you pass.........Your still going end up a misfit toy on misfit island



OdXsPQc8M-4

Your Universe exploded from Nothing? how stupid is that shit ?


http://www.audioeditions.com/audio-book-images/l/A-Universe-from-Nothing-2785123.jpg

[spurraider21]

one is like me, I am a design of some sort of Intelligent source.

The other is like you, the byproduct of a faulty design. Your nothing but what some call in the design industry, irregular like when you buy irregular jeans for 1/2 price. (there is a flaw some where) your the piece of plastic on the floor somewhere in China put there by the 11 year old girl who produces 40 of them in 90 seconds to recive 50 dollars a year. Even if you get past Your going end up a misfit toy on misfit island

Your Universe exploded from Nothing? how stupid is that shit ?

OdXsPQc8M-4
you didn't answer my question. what is a "non functioning universe" and what makes it fundamentally different than a "functioning universe"

[spurraider21]

:lol guys this is fascinating! 10 + 10 = 20

EXACTLY 20.

in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that evolution is wrong

[mouse]

you didn't answer my question. what is a "non functioning universe" and what makes it fundamentally different than a "functioning universe"

Ask Darwin.

[spurraider21]

Ask Darwin.
im asking you. you are the one who made the claim about the "non-functioning universe"


In order for the Universe to function all the galaxies stars planets moons etc...have to orbit rotate and spin precisely in tune.

[it's me]

:lol guys this is fascinating! 10 + 10 = 20

EXACTLY 20.

in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that evolution is wrong
:lmao

[mouse]

im asking you. you are the one who made the claim about the "non-functioning universe"



Yes I know..... but I didn't make the claim I couldn't teach it to you.

(there is a difference)

[spurraider21]

Yes I know..... but I didn't make the claim I couldn't teach it to you.

(there is a difference)
so you are going to blab about scenario's where the universe "doesn't function," whatever that means, but can't even elaborate as to what a "non-functioning universe" is? cool. well played.

[mouse]

:lol guys this is fascinating! 10 + 10 = 20

EXACTLY 20.

in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that evolution is wrong



That pancake has two sides.

You can't say....in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that these bones are 25 Million years old

You can't have it both ways in a debate you must pick which card your going pull out of your deck ,once you pull it, its on the table you really want to go there as far as Bullshit numbers?

go for it.

[mouse]

so you are going to blab about scenario's where the universe "doesn't function," whatever that means, but can't even elaborate as to what a "non-functioning universe" is? cool. well played.

No I'm going to wait till someone with a GED replies and make the debate educational while entertaining your neither.

[spurraider21]

No I'm going to wait till someone with a GED replies and make the debate educational while entertaining your neither.
a lot of blabbering nonsense. to be expected.

[mouse]

a lot of blabbering nonsense. to be expected.

Talk about the turd that wouldn't flush.....

ok Biff I will entertain your questions ask away....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_MIT-on-Evolution-22_zpsf6e8801c.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/MIT-on-Evolution-22_zpsf6e8801c.mp4)

[mouse]

a lot of blabbering nonsense. to be expected.


By who?

Not by you since you never debated me. And who you referring to when you say its expected?

I debate this topic @ MIT including students professors and faculty. I'm sure your XBox playing no pussy getting ass should be a breeze.

Look I can ass rape you on this topic with quotes, links and videos alone without ever having to give you my personal opinion.

You on the other hand already gave yours.

(don't worry if you PM me I will edit my replies. Last thing i want to do is belittle you online, that is not goal of mine since your doing a better job at it than I could ever do.

[spurraider21]

By who?
you make extravagant claims and then shy away from them when challenged

[mouse]

Just fucking with Holmes so how long you been supporting Darwin?

[spurraider21]

lots of quote editing going on here, its hard to keep up

[spurraider21]

That pancake has two sides.

You can't say....in fact, 10 + 10 can't even be a FRACTION less or a FRACTION more, then universe wouldn't be functioning! this is groundbreaking stuff. 10+10 being EXACTLY 20, not even infinitesimally more or less than 20, is proof that we have a divine creator who made this perfect system where 10+10 is exactly 20. this is proof that these bones are 25 Million years old

You can't have it both ways in a debate you must pick which card your going pull out of your deck ,once you pull it, its on the table you really want to go there as far as Bullshit numbers?

go for it.
its mockery. you posted a video talking about numbers and constants being specific to the smallest decimal number (just like 10 + 10 being EXACTLY 20.00000000), and you somehow equated that to a refutation of evolution

do you know how they date bones to be millions of years old?

[mouse]

DID SOMEONE SAY RANDOM??!?!?!?

"a billion trillion to one"?

The only way to get that is to create a very large number of universes, let their physics randomly (HA!) be determined, and calculate the probability based on that data.

Have the producers of the video created sextillions (a billion trillion) of universes in an experiment to determine this probability?













The sane, honest answer is:

No, they didn't. They pulled that estimate out of their ass.


Get off your pink my pony gay Dallas maverick logo high horse like Darwin didn't pull that Evolution out of his crusty ass?

what part of the Debate has been won years ago with the DNA mathematical code.

I know this must be a huge uncomfortable truth pill for you to swallow but its already in your mouth stfu and swallow it :lmao

[mouse]

its mockery. you posted a video talking about numbers and constants being specific to the smallest decimal number (just like 10 + 10 being EXACTLY 20.00000000), and you somehow equated that to a refutation of evolution

You can't evolve from nothing you need math how hard is that to follow?

Your Daddy + Your mammy = your sorry ass.


do you know how they date bones to be millions of years old?

No I have yet to see one.

you have any links?

I dare you to pull the age of bones card you make this salad tossing debate so easy I can just go to photo bucket wash rinse repeat..

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/bigbang-lie-113.jpg

[spurraider21]

You can't evolve from nothing you need math how hard is that to follow?
so what he hell was the purpose of posting that video? this is why i said it has nothing of substance. it doesn't contribute to the conversation at all


No
that's what i figured

[mouse]

Your so right, my mistake you Win!

grab another mountain dew and go after Avante or Xmas1997 my day care center for the low IQ no pussy getting vatos online closed down years ago due to having a class that raised the IQ level of those who who read my replies I had finally had to be expelled from the center for over achieving. (WTF?) That was when I knew MIT was the way to go. feel free to join in on the debates with your skateboarder replies.

[mouse]

Just for shits and Giggles

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/huge-lie-text-book.jpg

[it's me]

Your so right, my mistake you Win!

grab another mountain dew and go after Avante or Xmas1997 my day care center for the low IQ no pussy getting vatos online closed down years ago due to having a class that raised the IQ level of those who who read my replies I had finally had to be expelled from the center for over achieving. (WTF?) That was when I knew MIT was the way to go. feel free to join in on the debates with your skateboarder replies.

Poor ratto :lol @ saving creationists bullshit videos and pictures in photobucket to "debate" people on the Internets :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Get off your pink my pony gay Dallas maverick logo high horse like Darwin didn't pull that Evolution out of his crusty ass?

what part of the Debate has been won years ago with the DNA mathematical code.

I know this must be a huge uncomfortable truth pill for you to swallow but its already in your mouth stfu and swallow it :lmao

You have no idea what the theory of evolution even is, so I'm not overly worried about your opinion of it.

You have had years to learn what the theory is, and the evidence to support it, but you have chosen not to, and that assumes you are able to understand it, an assumption that I would be dubious of, to put it mildly.

Does the truth matter to you?

[RandomGuy]

Poor ratto :lol @ saving creationists bullshit videos and pictures in photobucket to "debate" people on the Internets :lmao

You are probably too new to see his work in the "faked" moon landings thread.

mouse buys into all sorts of conspiracy theories.

[RandomGuy]

You can't evolve from nothing you need math how hard is that to follow?



Just for shits and Giggles

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/huge-lie-text-book.jpg

You do realize that is a physics textbook right?

Physics and biology are entirely separate fields. Not sure if you had noticed.

[RandomGuy]

a lot of blabbering nonsense. to be expected.

I am going to guess mou-se is pretty high at the moment. Not sure I want to bother with continuing to engage someone who is probably pretty baked. It reminds me of trying to build a model airplane out of wet noodles. I am already regretting bothering, and I haven't even read his inevitable, puerile, smiley-ridden response.

Still, bringing it back to the fact of evolution is probably worthwhile. the m-man can post smiley's and yootoobs, and I will have fun reading scientific papers.

[SnakeBoy]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/bigbang-lie-113.jpg

Should say Father Georges Edward Lemaitre tbh. Theory was rejected for decades by science as an foolish attempt to inject religion into science.