Evolution...?

[ChumpDumper]

I'd love to line up a row of those college graduates and have a little who knows what. All that is about is reading, it's all in books.Which books have you read about evolution?

List them.

[Avante]

Why not?

Explain in your own words.

translation

Hey Avante, give me something totally new to me. I know you have thousands of songs to choose from.

Here ya go leg humper.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC4q9chGzMw

[ChumpDumper]

translation

Hey Avante, give me something totally new to me. I know you have thousands of songs to choose from.

Here ya go leg humper.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC4q9chGzMwWhy are you so afraid, Avante?

I'm just talking about your views on evolution in your evolution thread.

[Avante]

so why'd you make up the "for every one person who believes in evolution, 10 dont" bullshit?

I was talking about since the beginning of time, OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

Why totally ignore all the holes in that theory? Tons of holes.


So much of this out there...

re there any "holes" in the Theory of Evolution?
I have gathered the following quotes from some "real" scientists who have a problem with the evolution theory as it is commonly taught: Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation" (Gary Parker, Ph.D., biologist/paleontologist and... show more (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0SO8z532D5V1WYAPj1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzM G5lcms1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDVklQNjE4XzEEc2V jA3Ny?qid=20080316193234AAH83R9#)

[ChumpDumper]

I was talking about since the beginning of time, OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!! So what changed people's minds?


Why totally ignore all the holes in that theory? Tons of holes.Like which ones?

Tell us in your own words.

[Avante]

Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

[ChumpDumper]

Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0Since you watched this video in its entirety and understood it all, tell us what it says in your own words.

[spurraider21]

I was talking about since the beginning of time, OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

Why totally ignore all the holes in that theory? Tons of holes.


So much of this out there...

re there any "holes" in the Theory of Evolution?


I have gathered the following quotes from some "real" scientists who have a problem with the evolution theory as it is commonly taught: Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation" (Gary Parker, Ph.D., biologist/paleontologist and... show more (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0SO8z532D5V1WYAPj1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzM G5lcms1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDVklQNjE4XzEEc2V jA3Ny?qid=20080316193234AAH83R9#)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkpDz8YyVD8

Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ykWbu2Gl0

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkpDz8YyVD8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ykWbu2Gl0

Why not look at the video and see why I believe as I do? I'd love yo see even try to debunk that info.

Dude, you look 100% stupid with that hail mary silliness, ok?

Watch the video it's the one that backs up my stance the best.

[spurraider21]

Why not look at the video and see why I believe as I do? I'd love yo see even try to debunk that info.

Dude, you look 100% stupid with that hail mary silliness, ok?

Watch the video it's the one that backs up my stance the best.
i've done it so many times that i've gotten bored. i'm not going to sit through a 31 minute youtube full of bullshit just to point out the bullshit in it. a couple of pages ago in this thread, you posted some articles, and i explained what was wrong with them. you ignored it and proceeded to just post more shit. it's point less with you, since you never actually read my refutations or try to explain why i'm wrong. you just keep spamming article after article. if you aren't going to consider my responses, then why should i bother responding anymore?

and i'm just going to make a point. we know that there is a consensus among the scientific community, but you just like to keep posting about outliers. for every time you post an outlier, i will post an outlier... when a hail mary is successful

[ChumpDumper]

Why not look at the video and see why I believe as I do? I'd love yo see even try to debunk that info.

Dude, you look 100% stupid with that hail mary silliness, ok?

Watch the video it's the one that backs up my stance the best.Just tell us all in your own words what's in it.

Hell, just give us the name of the guy in the video.

Then I might believe you actually watched it.

[Avante]

Don't be lazy guy and try to bullshit around with stupid football shit, ok? Take a few minutes and you'll see why I laugh at you.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't be lazy guy and try to bullshit around with stupid football shit, ok? Take a few minutes and you'll see why I laugh at you.Tell us the name of the guy in the video and I will watch it.

[spurraider21]

Don't be lazy guy and try to bullshit around with stupid football shit, ok? Take a few minutes and you'll see why I laugh at you.
go back a couple of pages, and read my refutations to the articles you posted. why didn't you respond to those? you dont even consider them.

why do you want me to refute the video so bad, if you're just going to ignore the refutation anyway? until this point, i actually had the decency to watch the videos or read the articles to explain what was wrong in them. you haven't had the decency to read through or consider my answers.

so from now on, when you post a youtube, i will respond with an equally pointless youtube.

[ChumpDumper]

go back a couple of pages, and read my refutations to the articles you posted. why didn't you respond to those? you dont even consider them.

why do you want me to refute the video so bad, if you're just going to ignore the refutation anyway? until this point, i actually had the decency to watch the videos or read the articles to explain what was wrong in them. you haven't had the decency to read through or consider my answers.Dude doesn't even watch the videos he posts.

[Avante]

i've done it so many times that i've gotten bored. i'm not going to sit through a 31 minute youtube full of bullshit just to point out the bullshit in it.

and i'm just going to make a point. we know that there is a consensus among the scientific community, but you just like to keep posting about outliers. for every time you post an outlier, i will post an outlier... when a hail mary is successful

You spend how much time here a day, everyday but can't take some time to see what is really going on and why I laugh at you and the theory of evolution. This is the one video that totally destroys you and the theory of evolution. You could only.....ah, but, ah, hmm?

You do not know more about it than that guy does, trust me!

And I do agree a chimp would tear Mike Tyson apart and at the end (the letter) DNA Deep Throat puts a real nice ribbon on things.


Stop being a lazy fuck, ok? Watch that video and I;ll never post another about this. This one nailed it shut.

[ChumpDumper]

You spend how much time here a day, everyday but can't take some time to see what is really going on and why I laugh at you and the theory of evolution. This is the one video that totally destroys you and the theory of evolution. You could only.....ah, but, ah, hmm?

You do not know more about it than that guy does, trust me!

And I do agree a chimp would tear Mike Tyson apart and at the end (the letter) DNA Deep Throat puts a real nice ribbon on things.Who is the guy in the video, Avante?

[spurraider21]

You spend how much time here a day, everyday but can't take some time to see what is really going on and why I laugh at you and the theory of evolution. This is the one video that totally destroys you and the theory of evolution. You could only.....ah, but, ah, hmm?

You do not know more about it than that guy does, trust me!

And I do agree a chimp would tear Mike Tyson apart and at the end (the letter) DNA Deep Throat puts a real nice ribbon on things.


Stop being a lazy fuck, ok? Watch that video and I;ll never post another about this. This one nailed it shut.
lol you've posted a million articles and videos, but THIS IS THE ONE? give up old man. i'm not going to watch a 30 minute video of some hack talking. who is he? what are his credentials? why should what he says matter?

[spurraider21]

i just fast forwarded through the video and he was just talking about how chimps are stronger than humans.

thrilling stuff

[spurraider21]

Who is the guy in the video, Avante?
lol please dont tell me its lloyd pye

its lloyd pye isn't it

[ChumpDumper]

lol please dont tell me its lloyd pye

its lloyd pye isn't itI'm waiting for Avante to tell us.

He watched the whole video after all and can vouch for his credentials.

[Avante]

i just fast forwarded through the video and he was just talking about how chimps are stronger than humans.

thrilling stuff

Go to the last 5 minutes ok? If you can't even do that then why waste my time on a lazy fuck?

There is no end to it, none!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKwxmt4oq0

[spurraider21]

you mean the part where he doesn't understand what chromosomal fusion is? that part was quite entertaining.

[spurraider21]

Go to the last 5 minutes ok? If you can't even do that then why waste my time on a lazy fuck?

There is no end to it, none!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKwxmt4oq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlvOUG8nuZ4

[ChumpDumper]

Go to the last 5 minutes ok? If you can't even do that then why waste my time on a lazy fuck?What's the guy's name, Avante?

It's important.

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlvOUG8nuZ4

Both videos totally tear your fairy tale apart....totally~! Why not drop that silliness guy and go with how things really are?

[Avante]

you mean the part where he doesn't understand what chromosomal fusion is? that part was quite entertaining.

So he's wrong and you know better right?

[spurraider21]

So he's wrong and you know better right?
he's just not very good at biology.

probably explains his stance on evolution

[spurraider21]

Both videos totally tear your fairy tale apart....totally~! Why not drop that silliness guy and go with how things really are?
why would that i fear that video? did you know the guy talking believes that Humans are the result of alien intervention, believes that bigfoot exists, and believes that he found the remains of an alien-human hybrid?

did you know that? i bet you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't post his lecture

[Avante]

he's just not very good at biology.

probably explains his stance on evolution

So all these guys are wrong and you know better, right?

[spurraider21]

So all these guys are wrong and you know better, right?
i believe that the 99% of biologists/scientists are right, and the 1% who's work is never peer reviewed are probably wrong.

you can keep posting examples of the 1%... and i'll keep posting examples of the small percentage of hail mary plays that worked

[Avante]

i believe that the 99% of biologists/scientists are right, and the 1% who's work is never peer reviewed are probably wrong.

you can keep posting examples of the 1%... and i'll keep posting examples of the small percentage of hail mary plays that worked

Ok I will...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2M0XQnqfNY

[spurraider21]

Ok I will...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2M0XQnqfNY
you didnt watch this video. if you did, you wouldn't post it. there was no "proof" or "debunking" of evolution in the video. it was a waste of time.

some video of guys in the 1980's having a conversation isn't adding to our discussion

[Avante]

you didnt watch this video. if you did, you wouldn't post it. there was no "proof" or "debunking" of evolution in the video. it was a waste of time.

some video of guys in the 1980's having a conversation isn't adding to our discussion

Dude, I watch all these videos or have ok? That was about the debate, as you saw they disagreed.

How about...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8

Dude, you know how many times this subject has been argued? How come I know so many of these videos, could it be I've shown them before?

[ChumpDumper]

So all these guys are wrong and you know better, right?What is the name of the guy in the video?

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, I watch all these videos or have okI don't believe you.

Who is the guy in this video?
Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

[Avante]

They can't even agree among themselves.


Only a fool ignores....


gnore the Contradictions

The theory of evolution is full of contradictions, resulting in debates and arguments among evolutionists. Coyne says these controversies prove how strong the theory is.


Critics of evolution seize upon these controversies, arguing that they show something is wrong with the theory of evolution itself. But this is specious. There is no dissent among serious biologists about the major claims of evolutionary theory—only about the details of how evolution occurred, and about the relative roles of various evolutionary mechanisms. Far from discrediting evolution, the “controversies” are in fact the sign of a vibrant, thriving field. What moves science forward is [sic] ignorance, debate, and the testing of alternative theories with observations and experiments. A science without controversy is a science without progress. 22 (http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm#footnote22)


This is just amazing! There are controversies precisely because the theory is wrong. He says all the people who believe in evolution really believe in evolution (they just believe other believers in evolution are wrong). The fact that there is so much ignorance and controversy about evolution proves how true it must be. http://scienceagainstevolution.info/images/smiley.gif
If it is true that debate about evolution promotes scientific progress, why is it that evolutionists go to court to prevent debate about evolution from being discussed in American public schools?

[Avante]

Only a total moron would think we have a fish as a common ancestor.

[ChumpDumper]

So who is the guy in this video, Avante?
Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

Surely you can answer this simple question about this video you posted and definitely watched.

[spurraider21]

Dude, I watch all these videos or have ok? That was about the debate, as you saw they disagreed.

How about...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8

Dude, you know how many times this subject has been argued? How come I know so many of these videos, could it be I've shown them before?
because you just jump from one video to one of the "recommended videos" on the right side. just like this one

http://i.gyazo.com/20e9f603939279511272f506c8d9245b.png

[Avante]

because you just jump from one video to one of the "recommended videos" on the right side. just like this one

http://i.gyazo.com/20e9f603939279511272f506c8d9245b.png

So how come there are so many all telling you evolution is a fairy tale?

Why do you keep totally ignoring what you are being told in those videos? You never actually try to argue anything you just....he's this guy...or..he's a Christian.

Dude, none of those guys would be dumb enought to try and use a hail mary pass as an example for anything....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

spurraider, sorry you wasted your time in school, it's real obvious you learned..0.

[spurraider21]

lol changing the topic.

you started from "how do i know all these videos." i called your bullshit and you start rambling about something else.

keep changing the topic. how come you never actually make an argument? you just post videos. the only words you actually "contribute" are "evolution is stupid hahahahaha. only an idiot wont see it"

you never actually bring anything of value to the table

[Avante]

lol changing the topic.

you started from "how do i know all these videos." i called your bullshit and you start rambling about something else.

keep changing the topic. how come you never actually make an argument? you just post videos. the only words you actually "contribute" are "evolution is stupid hahahahaha. only an idiot wont see it"

you never actually bring anything of value to the table

You didn't call me on anything, you keep totally ignoring...."this is an old argument, been done many times, seen all those videos before"....ok? So you were wrong as usual.


What more can be said? You do not get life from non life, it's really just that simple. There was nothing then all of a sudden...life. That's impossible.

To think that did happen and then after millions of years these fish waddled onto dry land and after millio........dude, come on guy, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! How fucking dumb are you?

[spurraider21]

You didn't call me on anything, you keep totally ignoring...."this is an old argument, been done many times, seen all those videos before"....ok? So you were wrong as usual.


What more can be said? You do not get life from non life, it's really just that simple. There was nothing then all of a sudden...life. That's impossible.

To think that did happen and then after millions of years these fish waddled onto dry land and after millio........dude, come on guy, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! How fucking dumb are you?
that is abiogenesis. it's a different discussion than evolution.

evolution is genetic variation in a population over time. abiogenesis is the process of life arising from non-living, organic compounds. i thought this thread was about evolution?

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't call me on anythingI called you on watching the videos you posted.

You don't watch them.

[mouse]

. abiogenesis is the process of life arising from non-living, organic compounds. ?

Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible

If naturalistic molecules-to-human-life evolution were true, multibillions of links are required to bridge modern humans with the chemicals that once existed in the hypothetical “primitive soup”. This putative soup, assumed by many scientists to have given birth to life over 3.5 billion years ago, was located in the ocean or mud puddles. Others argue that the origin of life could not have been in the sea but rather must have occurred in clay on dry land. Still others conclude that abiogenesis was more likely to have occurred in hot vents. It is widely recognized that major scientific problems exist with all naturalistic origin of life scenarios. This is made clear in the conclusions of many leading origin-of-life researchers. A major aspect of the abiogenesis question is “What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?” Research shows that at the lowest level this number is in the multimillions, producing an irreducible level of complexity that cannot be bridged by any known natural means.

[Avante]

that is abiogenesis. it's a different discussion than evolution.

evolution is genetic variation in a population over time. abiogenesis is the process of life arising from non-living, organic compounds. i thought this thread was about evolution?

How many music videos have I showed here little man? This thread is about whatever, ok?

So there was nothing, then..LIFE..right? Lets start there. Evolution had to have started there or there was nothing to evolve..ok?

[spurraider21]

Why Abiogenesis Is Impossible

If naturalistic molecules-to-human-life evolution were true, multibillions of links are required to bridge modern humans with the chemicals that once existed in the hypothetical “primitive soup”. This putative soup, assumed by many scientists to have given birth to life over 3.5 billion years ago, was located in the ocean or mud puddles. Others argue that the origin of life could not have been in the sea but rather must have occurred in clay on dry land. Still others conclude that abiogenesis was more likely to have occurred in hot vents. It is widely recognized that major scientific problems exist with all naturalistic origin of life scenarios. This is made clear in the conclusions of many leading origin-of-life researchers. A major aspect of the abiogenesis question is “What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?” Research shows that at the lowest level this number is in the multimillions, producing an irreducible level of complexity that cannot be bridged by any known natural means.


this thread is about evolution. keep the abiogenesis discussion separate

[Avante]

this thread is about evolution. keep the abiogenesis discussion separate


Come on guy, how do we get life out of nothing?

[ChumpDumper]

How many music videos have I showed here little man? This thread is about whatever, ok?It's about evolution.

You named it Evolution and nothing else and that's what it's about, your cowardly attempts to derail it notwithstanding.

[ChumpDumper]

Come on guy, how do we get life out of nothing?Come on guy, who is the person in the video you posted?

Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

[Avante]

I was talking to Clipper Nation, as ya can see he's all excited about his Clippers.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/haitikid/01.jpg

[Avante]

When in walked Blake, they started trying to communicate...


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/l/lordlittlebrook/04.jpg

[Avante]

Never could figure out what the problem was. CN just rambling on about being short and faggots, Blake complaining about being short and religion.

Obviously frustrating for me.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/tomzenk/13.jpg

[Avante]

Then in walked spurraider


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/a/adrianstreet/15.jpg

[Avante]

And we all had to laugh.

Which stopped abruply when DJR arrived.


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/a/abdulah/24.jpg

[mouse]

Then in walked spurraider


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/a/adrianstreet/15.jpg

:lmao

[spurraider21]

oh look avante deflecting

[Avante]

oh look avante deflecting

140 pages and I'm defelecting? How many times have I bumped this thread up? Wrong as usual!

It's a fun topic, we get a chance to see just how wrong you can get.

[RD2191]

When in walked Blake, they started trying to communicate...


http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/l/lordlittlebrook/04.jpg
:lmao

[Avante]

Is it just me or does it appear spurraider has no sense of humor at all?

[Blake]

Yours is just bad

[Avante]

Yours is just bad

You don't have a sense of humor either half pint. You're either humping legs, or talking about religion and how it holds us back while never ever saying what is being held back.

[RandomGuy]

You didn't call me on anything, you keep totally ignoring...."this is an old argument, been done many times, seen all those videos before"....ok? So you were wrong as usual.


What more can be said? You do not get life from non life, it's really just that simple. There was nothing then all of a sudden...life. That's impossible.

To think that did happen and then after millions of years these fish waddled onto dry land and after millio........dude, come on guy, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! How fucking dumb are you?

Debunked.
Ish. Bad reasoning from start to finish.

Assertions without evidence and a basic argument from incredulity fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

We have discovered thousands and thousands of planets orbiting other stars. Planets are therefore common in our galaxy, and we have no reason to think this isn't the case in all of the billions of galaxies we can see.

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the formation of planets is a naturalistic phenomenon. Once you get a enough planets in the universe, you have a LOT of chances for even fairly improbable things to happen.


Arguments from incredulity take the form:

1) P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
or
2) I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.

These arguments are similar to arguments from ignorance in that they too ignore and do not properly eliminate the possibility that something can be both incredible and still be true, or appear to be obvious and yet still be false.


Avante here actually does both forms:


[That we are the result of random natural processes] simply can't happen by chance, [therefore the argument that we are the result of random natural processes is false]
P= We are the result of random natural processes


[I cannot imagine how anything could happen without a designer "we... must have a Designer"], [so therefore, we have a Designer]
P=We have a Designer

Wishful, flawed thinking and provably so.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

[Avante]

Debunked.
Ish. Bad reasoning from start to finish.

Assertions without evidence and a basic argument from incredulity fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

We have discovered thousands and thousands of planets orbiting other stars. Planets are therefore common in our galaxy, and we have no reason to think this isn't the case in all of the billions of galaxies we can see.

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the formation of planets is a naturalistic phenomenon. Once you get a enough planets in the universe, you have a LOT of chances for even fairly improbable things to happen.



Avante here actually does both forms:


P= We are the result of random natural processes


P=We have a Designer

Wishful, flawed thinking and provably so.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

You're about as dumb as a rock aren't ya?

[RandomGuy]

You're about as dumb as a rock aren't ya?

http://chill.sekai.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/butthurt.jpg

[Avante]

http://chill.sekai.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/butthurt.jpg


Like your chin, that was weak.

Dude, why try to peddle bullshit which is all you do. You can't prove a damn thing about anything, ok? If there were proof then everyone would believe the same thing, ok stupid?

[RandomGuy]

Like your chin, that was weak.

Dude, why try to peddle bullshit which is all you do. You can't prove a damn thing about anything, ok? If there were proof then everyone would believe the same thing, ok stupid?

Only one of us keeps reposting the same debunked bullshit over and over. Your bullshit is wrong, and that has been very clearly laid out. There are certainly some things that are easily enough disproved, such as your flawed argument from incredulity.

But, like a dog to his vomit, you return to it. So much so, it has become obvious to everybody you don't care about what is true and what isn't.

That is the difference between you and I. The truth matters to me.

[Avante]

Only one of us keeps reposting the same debunked bullshit over and over. You bullshit is wrong, and that has been very clearly laid out. There are certainly some things that are easily enough disproved, such as your flawed argument from incredulity.

But, like a dog to his vomit, you return to it. So much so, it has become obvious to everybody you don't care about what is true and what isn't.

That is the difference between you and I. The truth matters to me.

The diffference between you and me is that I'm not dumb enought to think all this could possibly come about without a master plan a Designer. When have you ever debunked that, try.....never!

[RandomGuy]

The diffference between you and me is that I'm not dumb enought to think all this could possibly come about without a master plan a Designer. When have you ever debunked that, try.....never!

Debunked.
Ish. Bad reasoning from start to finish.

Assertions without evidence and a basic argument from incredulity fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

We have discovered thousands and thousands of planets orbiting other stars. Planets are therefore common in our galaxy, and we have no reason to think this isn't the case in all of the billions of galaxies we can see.

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the formation of planets is a naturalistic phenomenon. Once you get a enough planets in the universe, you have a LOT of chances for even fairly improbable things to happen.


Arguments from incredulity take the form:

1) P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
or
2) I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.

These arguments are similar to arguments from ignorance in that they too ignore and do not properly eliminate the possibility that something can be both incredible and still be true, or appear to be obvious and yet still be false.


Avante here actually does both forms:


[That we are the result of random natural processes] simply can't happen by chance, [therefore the argument that we are the result of random natural processes is false]
P= We are the result of random natural processes


[I cannot imagine how anything could happen without a designer "we... must have a Designer"], [so therefore, we have a Designer]
P=We have a Designer

Wishful, flawed thinking and provably so.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

[RandomGuy]

Continually returning to your own vomit, and too stupid to see how incompetently laid out your arguments are, even when shown their true form.

http://simpsonsparadox.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dunning-kruger.jpg

[Avante]

Just as I suspected ya can't prove a damn thing. Can't debunk shit.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.skepticblog.org/wp-content/uploads/Dunning-Kruger.png

[Avante]

Continually returning to your own vomit, and too stupid to see how incompetently laid out your arguments are, even when shown their true form.

http://simpsonsparadox.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dunning-kruger.jpg

I'll try again....

Can you actually....PROVE....anything? That would be a....NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

So all ya do is foam at the mouth looking fucking retarded.

[RandomGuy]

Just as I suspected ya can't prove a damn thing. Can't debunk shit.

I can prove you are full of shit. It has been demonstrated. QED

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&page=136&p=7975326&viewfull=1#post7975326

[RandomGuy]

I'll try again....

Can you actually....PROVE....anything? That would be a....NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

So all ya do is foam at the mouth looking fucking retarded.

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

[Avante]

I always get a kick out oF little shits like this jerk, they try so hard to....seE it my way YOU MUST SEE IT MY WAY..hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Churchs all over this country all filled to the brim with people who don't see it their way. The reason being....THEY DON'T KNOW SHIT!

[RandomGuy]

I always get a kick out oF little shits like this jerk, they try so hard to....seE it my way YOU MUST SEE IT MY WAY..hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Churchs all over this country all filled to the brim with people who don't see it their way. The reason being....THEY DON'T KNOW SHIT!

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

[Avante]

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But surprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

What's left to argue, you're an idiot and I believe in a Designer. That's a ...SLAMDUNK!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

wow avante is really bad at this

and he says he's had this argument many times on the internet.

i hope he didnt make himself look this stupid everywhere else too

[RandomGuy]

What's left to argue, you're an idiot and I believe in a Designer. That's a ...SLAMDUNK!!!!!!!!!

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

[Avante]

wow avante is really bad at this

and he says he's had this argument many times on the internet.

i hope he didnt make himself look this stupid everywhere else too

I'm not the one trying to tell people we all evolved from little fishy creatures. When everyone with a lick of sense knows that's not true. And you're good at this...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

DNA...destroys it for you little fella.

[RandomGuy]

wow avante is really bad at this

and he says he's had this argument many times on the internet.

i hope he didnt make himself look this stupid everywhere else too

Not so much. He is modestly competent in some areas, but too dumb to realize how badly he is doing here it seems. Its okay. When shown genuine competence, and the skills that people with competence have, the lowest quartile can eventually realize their own mistakes.

[Blake]

You don't have a sense of humor either half pint. You're either humping legs, or talking about religion and how it holds us back while never ever saying what is being held back.

Science gets held back.

Equality and other society issues get held back.

You're fucking stupid.

[Avante]

Not so much. He is modestly competent in some areas, but too dumb to realize how badly he is doing here it seems. Its okay. When shown genuine competence, and the skills that people with competence have, the lowest quartile can eventually realize their own mistakes.

You mean asking for proof of anything and you can't provide a thing?

[RandomGuy]

DNA...destroys it for you little fella.


Translation:


https://justincascio.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ecqkuo.jpg

Not really an argument. Just a variation on a theme.

Same debunked argument from incredulity you have been harping on.


Arguments from incredulity take the form:

1) P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
or
2) I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.

These arguments are similar to arguments from ignorance in that they too ignore and do not properly eliminate the possibility that something can be both incredible and still be true, or appear to be obvious and yet still be false.


Avante here actually does both forms:


[That we are the result of random natural processes] simply can't happen by chance, [therefore the argument that we are the result of random natural processes is false]
P= We are the result of random natural processes


[I cannot imagine how anything could happen without a designer "we... must have a Designer"], [so therefore, we have a Designer]
P=We have a Designer

Wishful, flawed thinking and provably so.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

[RandomGuy]

You mean asking for proof of anything and you can't provide a thing?

I can, and have repeatedly proven you are wrong.

Yet that doesn't bother you.

Why is that?

(edit)
This is why:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&page=136&p=7975305&viewfull=1#post7975305

[spurraider21]

Not so much. He is modestly competent in some areas, but too dumb to realize how badly he is doing here it seems. Its okay. When shown genuine competence, and the skills that people with competence have, the lowest quartile can eventually realize their own mistakes.
he's plenty knowledgable in music, track, and football... particularly in their history. but in this subject? its embarrassing

[Avante]

Science gets held back.

Equality and other society issues get held back.

You're fucking stupid.

Fucking stupid thinks science gives a damn about religion, so totally wrong there as usual. And, do you have any idea at all how important religious beliefs were to the slaves living as they did? Are you as dumb as you act? No clue at all about how many down and out people have beeen saved once they found religion? Just how damn dumb are you Blake?

[Avante]

I can, and have repeatedly proven you are wrong.

Yet that doesn't bother you.

Why is that?

No you haven't, nobody can. There is no proof this didn't all come about by some master design, so why lie?

[Avante]

he's plenty knowledgable in music, track, and football... particularly in their history. but in this subject? its embarrassing

That coming from a guy who has yet to actually //prove// anything. Other than, they are working on it.

[RandomGuy]

he's plenty knowledgable in music, track, and football... particularly in their history. but in this subject? its embarrassing

I would agree. Were the discussion in those areas, he would recognize a dumb shit opinion rather quickly. The most fundamental important questions about our existence, where most people would want to be right, or at least not be wrong... Laughably bumbling.

His behavior might make sense if he actually believed the opposite and was trying to show how bad the idea he disliked was. Not sure he is smart or motivated enough to keep that up for long tho'.

Who knows. That is an idea I can't really prove, merely suspect. What I can prove, is that the things he posts here are bad, whatever his ultimate real opinion or motivation.

[Avante]

Science (all the scientists) have been wrong as a group many many times. There are actual sites about just how wrong they have been. So anyone trying to peddle..."scientists agree that.."....so what, they have..all..been wrong many times.

So what's left, biology class? How does the biology class of 1715 compare to the one in 2015? How will 2015 compare to 2115?

The bottom line is nobody knows anything for sure, it's just a bunch of..."could have been"..."might have happened"..."led to believe"....and we all know this. Anyone trying to ignore that is trying to bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

Science (all the scientists) have been wrong as a group many many times. There are actual sites about just how wrong they have been. So anyone trying to peddle..."scientists agree that.."....so what, they have..all..been wrong many times.

So what's left, biology class? How does the biology class of 1715 compare to the one in 2015? How will 2015 compare to 2115?

The bottom line is nobody knows anything for sure, it's just a bunch of..."could have been"..."might have happened"..."led to believe"....and we all know this. Anyone trying to ignore that is trying to bullshit.Yet you're 100% sure your theory with 0 proof provided is right.

[Avante]

I would agree. Were the discussion in those areas, he would recognize a dumb shit opinion rather quickly. The most fundamental important questions about our existence, where most people would want to be right, or at least not be wrong... Laughably bumbling.

His behavior might make sense if he actually believed the opposite and was trying to show how bad the idea he disliked was. Not sure he is smart or motivated enough to keep that up for long tho'.

Who knows. That is an idea I can't really prove, merely suspect. What I can prove, is that the things he posts here are bad, whatever his ultimate real opinion or motivation.

How many ways and how complex can you make.....we didn't come from fish, that's stupid.....well? I've already talked about how many things we have that need to work in perfect concert to pull off our existence and how unlikely that could have just happened without some Designer involved. What else can be said?

So far all you've done is tap dance, not one thing you've said PROVES anything.

[ChumpDumper]

How many ways and how complex can you make.....we didn't come from fish, that's stupid.....well? I've already talked about how many things we have that need to work in perfect concert to pull off our existence and how unlikely that could have just happened without some Designer involved. What else can be said?

So far all you've done is tap dance, not one thing you've said PROVES anything.Prove your theory.

Go!

[RD2191]

:lolevolution

[Avante]

Yet you're 100% sure your theory with 0 proof provided is right.

GO AWAY GO WAY GO AWAY GET OUT OF OUR WAY GET OUT OF OUR WAY LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE GO GO GO GO...pretty pretty please.

[ChumpDumper]

GO AWAY GO WAY GO AWAY GET OUT OF OUR WAY GET OUT OF OUR WAY LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE GO GO GO GO...pretty pretty please.lol meltdown

[Brazil]

:lol you all still on dat shit ?

[Avante]

:lolevolution

There was nothing then for some unknown reason there was life, it lived on ocean bottoms for millions of years. Then it started to evolved in a whole slew of fish. Big ones, little ones, whales, sharks, squids, swordfish etc etc. Then after million of years some of the smaller fish either let to ocean which makes no sense or slithered out of pools,ponds. So here they are looking for food. Lo and beyond they find it. So after millions of more ............

How could anyone not in a rubber room buy that bullshit?

[RandomGuy]

No you haven't, nobody can. There is no proof this didn't all come about by some master design, so why lie?

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.

KayBys8gaJY

Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that there is no proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.

[RD2191]

There was nothing then for some unknown reason there was life, it lived on ocean bottoms for millions of years. Then it started to evolved in a whole slew of fish. Big ones, little ones, whales, sharks, squids, swordfish etc etc. Then after million of years some of the smaller fish either let to ocean which makes no sense or slithered out of pools,ponds. So here they are looking for food. Lo and beyond they find it. So after millions of more ............

How could anyone not in a rubber room buy that bullshit?
It's amazing how everything was there on land to thrive, it's almost if they were set up to survive by a creator.

[Avante]

lol meltdown

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.

[RandomGuy]

Science (all the scientists) have been wrong as a group many many times. There are actual sites about just how wrong they have been. So anyone trying to peddle..."scientists agree that.."....so what, they have..all..been wrong many times.

So what's left, biology class? How does the biology class of 1715 compare to the one in 2015? How will 2015 compare to 2115?

The bottom line is nobody knows anything for sure, it's just a bunch of..."could have been"..."might have happened"..."led to believe"....and we all know this. Anyone trying to ignore that is trying to bullshit.

I don't have to know the exact amount of change in a jar to be able to dismiss things like "there are a billion dollars in it".

http://thecouponproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ChangeJar.jpg

I can dismiss your "there is a designer" claim along similar lines. "because life/DNA is impossible" is a logically flawed argument.

Logically flawed arguments cannot support a claim. Unless, of course, you don't care what is true.

[Avante]

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.

KayBys8gaJY

Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that there is no proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.


Does my wife Judy really love me? While it sure does appear that she does can I prove it? Nope! So all I can go with is her actions. This is no different, all we can go with is how things appear. And it sure does appear we needed a Designer to give us the world we live on.

[RandomGuy]

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

[Avante]

I don't have to know the exact amount of change in a jar to be able to dismiss things like "there are a billion dollars in it".

http://thecouponproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ChangeJar.jpg

I can dismiss your "there is a designer" claim along similar lines. "because life/DNA is impossible" is a logically flawed argument.

Logically flawed arguments cannot support a claim. Unless, of course, you don't care what is true.


So what is the truth and prove it.

[Blake]

Fucking stupid thinks science gives a damn about religion, so totally wrong there as usual. And, do you have any idea at all how important religious beliefs were to the slaves living as they did? Are you as dumb as you act? No clue at all about how many down and out people have beeen saved once they found religion? Just how damn dumb are you Blake?

Religion sure gives a damn about science. Religion feels threatened when new discoveries are made.

[ChumpDumper]

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.lol prolonged meltdown

[RandomGuy]

Does my wife Judy really love me? While it sure does appear that she does can I prove it? Nope! So all I can go with is her actions. This is no different, all we can go with is how things appear. And it sure does appear we needed a Designer to give us the world we live on.

Your wife Judy, however, can be proven to exist.

Unlike the "Designer".

The analogy fails on that basis. Whether Judy loves you or not, first depends on her existence.

The existence of a wife named Judy is far more mundane, and would generally require less proof than a universe/life creating designer.

I might not *know* how the food at my table got there, but I can make reasonable assumptions that about a waiter, since I have seen waiters deliver food before, rather than making up something like a magic man speaking my lunch into existence.

[Avante]

Religion sure gives a damn about science. Religion feels threatened when new discoveries are made.

How does what religion do/think slow science down, go ahead elaborate. When does science ask religion anything?

[Avante]

Your wife Judy, however, can be proven to exist.

Unlike the "Designer".

The analogy fails on that basis. Whether Judy loves you or not, first depends on her existence.

The existence of a wife named Judy is far more mundane, and would generally require less proof than a universe/life creating designer.

I might not *know* how the food at my table got there, but I can make reasonable assumptions that about a waiter, since I have seen waiters deliver food before, rather than making up something like a magic man speaking my lunch into existence.

Totally missed the point, not surprised. I was talking about the existence of emotions. Something we can't see.

So where is your proof that there is no Designer?

[RandomGuy]

So what is the truth and prove it.

The truth is, we don't know how the universe came into being, and may never know.

I'm cool with that.

What more do I need to prove?

What I can do though, is eliminate the "pink unicorns that poop ice cream" claims. Bigger claim, more proof required to believe it is true.

If it is false... I just don't want to believe in it, because false ideas have bad consequences, like the idiots who think that prayer will cure diseases, and end up denying medicine to their children.

[Avante]

lol prolonged meltdown

Dude, pretty pretty pretty pretty please go away, I.;m begging ya man begging ok? You just get in everyones way, so please go bother others, please.

Chump, I;m never ever going to actually converse with you about anything ok? You'll see nothing but translations and please go away or nothing at all. So by knowing that why continue to stalk me? Please go bug others, ok?

[RandomGuy]

Totally missed the point, not surprised. I was talking about the existence of emotions. Something we can't see.

So where is your proof that there is no Designer?

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.

KayBys8gaJY

Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that you have not provided sufficient proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.

[Avante]

The truth is, we don't know how the universe came into being, and may never know.

I'm cool with that.

What more do I need to prove?

What I can do though, is eliminate the "pink unicorns that poop ice cream" claims. Bigger claim, more proof required to believe it is true.

If it is false... I just don't want to believe in it, because false ideas have bad consequences, like the idiots who think that prayer will cure diseases, and end up denying medicine to their children.

So you really can't prove anything, nothing....right? So it's..."you need to believe what I do"...forget the fact most people don't.

Right?

How about this..."Avante is happier thinking there is something all powerful out there responsible for all this and really doesn't give a damn what some moron hiding behind a computer thinks"...ok?

[RandomGuy]

So you really can't prove anything, nothing....right? So it's..."you need to believe what I do"...forget the fact most people don't.

Right?


Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity

Also Known as: Ad Populum

Description of Appeal to Popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

Appeal to incredulity.
Shifting the burden of proof.
Appeal to popularity.

All logically flawed arguments. Easily rejected by anyone who cares about the truth.

Do you think the truth can be determined by flawed logic? Does washing your car cause it to rain?

[RandomGuy]

Fallacy: Post Hoc

Also Known as: Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, False Cause, Questionable Cause, Confusing Coincidental Relationships With Causes

Description of Post Hoc

A Post Hoc is a fallacy with the following form:

1) A occurs before B.
2) Therefore A is the cause of B.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/post-hoc.html

I wash my car. (A)
Then it rained. (B)
Therefore, washing my car causes it to rain. (A is the cause of B)

Bad reasoning, false conclusion.

Bad reasoning is not the way to determine what is true, and what is not.

[Avante]

Appeal to incredulity.
Shifting the burden of proof.
Appeal to popularity.

All logically flawed arguments. Easily rejected by anyone who cares about the truth.

Do you think the truth can be determined by flawed logic? Does washing your car cause it to rain?

I am happier with a Designer/God/Supreme Being in my life, couldn't care less if I can prove it or not or if anyone else believes as I do.

Ok?

[RandomGuy]

I am happier with a Designer/God/Supreme Being in my life, couldn't care less if I can prove it or not or if anyone else believes as I do.

Ok?

People were happy to drink the cool-aid at Jonestown.

People were happy to drink the vodka with phenobarbitol in Rancho Santa Fe.

People were happy to fly airplanes into buildings.

False beliefs, however happy they make you, have consequences.

In your case, you will simply waste part of the only life you are given, for the most part.

The bad part is that you seem to have taken it on yourself to try and push lies here about the theory of evolution, which is true, and has evidence.

That is a consequence that anyone who does care about the truth should be worried about.

[Avante]

Let me see the hands of those who have actually read...."ya know you're right, I've changed my mind"...on the internet? It simply does not happen.

People, nobody really knows anything for sure when it comes to religion/evolution other than we don't know. Only a fool really thinks they will be changing anyones mind about anything on a messageboard. So why bother?

Here we have 140 pages (soon) and at no time have we seen..."I was wrong you'r right"...and we won't. Those of us who do believe in Something think those who believe in nothing are stupid an they think we are and so it goes and goes, while nobody can prove/disprove a damn thing.

I will never buy a fish or not think something isn't responsible for this and I don't care what some midget in hiding says or thinks about it.

[Avante]

People were happy to drink the cool-aid at Jonestown.

People were happy to drink the vodka with phenobarbitol in Rancho Santa Fe.

People were happy to fly airplanes into buildings.

False beliefs, however happy they make you, have consequences.

In your case, you will simply waste part of the only life you are given, for the most part.

The bad part is that you seem to have taken it on yourself to try and push lies here about the theory of evolution, which is true, and has evidence.

That is a consequence that anyone who does care about the truth should be worried about.

Prove all living creatures on earth evolved from a fish, go ahead PROVE it.

[Avante]

I'd love to see one of these atheists walk into any church during services and start rambling on about how they all believe in bullshit, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

I do pity the little fucks.

[Blake]

How does what religion do/think slow science down, go ahead elaborate. When does science ask religion anything?

If I thought it would go anywhere, I'd lay out the history of the catholic church and it's role in suppressing science from Galileo's time until today.

But it won't so I'm not. Go google it, fat shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, pretty pretty pretty pretty please go away, I.;m begging ya man begging ok? You just get in everyones way, so please go bother others, please.

Chump, I;m never ever going to actually converse with you about anything ok? You'll see nothing but translations and please go away or nothing at all. So by knowing that why continue to stalk me? Please go bug others, ok?lol still melting down

[ChumpDumper]

I'd love to see one of these atheists walk into any church during services and start rambling on about how they all believe in bullshit, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!Why would any atheist do that?

What do you think the churchgoers would do?

[Avante]

If I thought it would go anywhere, I'd lay out the history of the catholic church and it's role in suppressing science from Galileo's time until today.

But it won't so I'm not. Go google it, fat shit.

And how successful was that? Are you really trying to peddle that garbage, hahaha!!!!!!!!! Dude, how come the VAST majority of people totally disagree with your....bah humbug....stance on religion? How come you'd be laughed at by 10 billion beleivers?

[Avante]

Why would any atheist do that?

What do you think the churchgoers would do?

Are you simply brain dead? Dude, what about...YOU ARE AN IDIOT GO AWAY...don't you understand? Dude, have some pride guy, ok?

I;ve never ever going to talk with you, ok? NEVER!....alrigt? I don't like you moron and see you as the dumbest fuck on this bosrd. 100, 000000000000 posts and you have yet to ssy a damn thing other than....DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

And how successful was that? Are you really trying to peddle that garbage, hahaha!!!!!!!!! Dude, how come the VAST majority of people totally disagree with your....bah humbug....stance on religion? How come you'd be laughed at by 10 billion beleivers?How did you get the number 10 billion? Are you counting the dead and unborn?

Don't' forget to include all the designers.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you simply brain dead? Dude, what about...YOU ARE AN IDIOT GO AWAY...don't you understand? Dude, have some pride guy, ok?I just asked you why you said you would love to see that.

It's a simple question. No need to be a sissy about it.

[Avante]

I just asked you why you said you would love to see that.

It's a simple question. No need to be a sissy about it.

Chump, you have mental problems guy, ok? We all see it, alright? I get a creepy/dirty feeling with your sick ass around, ok? You have some major league problems and I'm totally serious.

Chump, real talk here, no internet silliness. Fuck Avante, my real name is Larry, and I am really really tired of you, ok? You do nothing but slow things down, surprised ya don't call yourself..SpeedBump.

You are a sick sick individual, and I don't like you anywhere around me, ok? So how about dropping the internet messageboard silliness and have some self respect and pride and go talk to those more tolerant of your problems, ok? Please, and I am begging. Please please please leave me alone, ok? PLEASE!

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, you have mental problems guy, ok? We all see it, alright? I get a creepy/dirty feeling with your sick ass around, ok? You have some major league problems and I'm totally serious.

Chump, real talk here, no internet silliness. Fuck Avante, my real name is Larry, and I am really really tired of you, ok? You do nothing but slow things down, surprised ya don't call yourself..SpeedBump.

You are a sick sick individual, and I don't like you anywhere around me, ok? So how about dropping the internet messageboard silliness and have some self respect and pride and go talk to those more tolerant of your problems, ok? Please, and I am begging. Please please please leave me alone, ok? PLEASE!Why is this such a problem for you?

After all I'm asking you about your favorite subject: you.

[Avante]

Why is this such a problem for you?

After all I'm asking you about your favorite subject: you.

Chump, are you simply lonely? Is that what this is really about? Are you simply looking for friends? And since out in that real world people simply walk away from you shaking their head here we are stuck with you and you make us pay.

I;m going to try something different since you are obviously in real bad need of Avante in your life.

ChumpDumper tell me a little about yourself, maybe if I knew a little more about you I could see where things went wrong and you became the total retard we see today. So how old are you? Where were you raised? Went did ya first realize you prefer cock over pussy, go ahead elaborate.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, are you simply lonely? Is that what this is really about? Are you simply looking for friends? And since out in that real world people simply walk away from you shaking their head here we are stuck with you and you make us pay.

I;m going to try something different since you are obviously in real bad need of Avante in your life.

ChumpDumper tell me a little about yourself, maybe if I knew a little more about you I could see where things went wrong and you became the total retard we see today. So how old are you? Where were you raised? Went did ya first realize you prefer cock over pussy, go ahead elaborate.I asked you to elaborate about what you thought and decided to post in the first place.

Why is that such a problem for you? You seem genuinely afraid to engage in an actual discussion. It really runs counter to all the bluster and braggadocio you try very hard to display here.

[spurraider21]

robdiaz2191

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[RD2191]

robdiaz2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42690)

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:lmao

[Avante]

I asked you to elaborate about what you thought and decided to post in the first place.

Why is that such a problem for you? You seem genuinely afraid to engage in an actual discussion. It really runs counter to all the bluster and braggadocio you try very hard to display here.

Since no matter what I say you simply refuse to go away let's talk. I'm all yours, so what do you want to know, you FINALLY have wore me down I give up I'm all yours.

So what is it you want?

[Avante]

I tried to get into it, I did make the effort. What am I missing?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqThTw-EUmo


So after that bad experience I needed something to ease the pain.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNEel-agKeg&list=PL02DA38EC1CF2F683

[ChumpDumper]

Since no matter what I say you simply refuse to go away let's talk. I'm all yours, so what do you want to know, you FINALLY have wore me down I give up I'm all yours.

So what is it you want?I already asked you.

[Avante]

I already asked you.

You wanted to talk to me so bad, ok you finally will get my full attention, and you do know I really never read you so tell me what is it you want?

I'll even drop the Avante bit and get as real as possible just for you. Yep, you're special:toast

[ChumpDumper]

You wanted to talk to me so bad, ok you finally will get my full attention, and you do know I really never read you so tell me what is it you want?

I'll even drop the Avante bit and get as real as possible just for you. Yep, you're special:toastI already asked you.

The questions haven't changed.

[Avante]

I already asked you.

The questions haven't changed.

Up until now I really haven't read you and I am serious, other than the thing with the music.

If you reallywantt this to work you're going to have to work with me here, ok? It's real obvious you have some need to talk to me so lets do that, ok? Now, what is it you need?

[ChumpDumper]

Up until now I really haven't read you and I am serious, other than the thing with the music.

If you really won't this to work you're going to have to work with me here, ok? It's real obvious you have some need to talk to me so lets do that, ok? Now, what is it you need?I already asked you.

All you have to do is read.

[Avante]

I already asked you.

All you have to do is read.

What page?

[ChumpDumper]

What page?Previous pages.

It really isn't as difficult as you are making it.

[Avante]

Previous pages.

It really isn't as difficult as you are making it.

Here's the deal, if you want me to go back pages and try to find what you are talking about I'll do that tomorrow, if you want to talk to me right now, what do you wanna talk about?

[ChumpDumper]

Here's the deal, if you want me to go back pages and try to find what you are talking about I'll do that tomorrow, if you want to talk to me right now, what do you wanna talk about?
It's really that difficult for you to read back a couple of pages?

Do you not know how?

[Avante]

It's really that difficult for you to read back a couple of pages?

Do you not know how?

Your last chance.

I'm not going back anywhere, if you wanna talk to me now and from here on out let's talk, if I read one more....go back and....you are back on ignore. It's all on you.

[ChumpDumper]

Your last chance.

I'm not going back anywhere, if you wanna talk to me now and from here on out let's talk, if I read one more....go back and....you are back on ignore. It's all on you.I have my answer.

This is just another Avante stalling tactic.

You're still the same scared little sissy.

See you next time you "ignore" me tomorrow, liar.

[Avante]

I have my answer.

This is just another Avante stalling tactic.

You're still the same scared little sissy.

See you next time you "ignore" me tomorrow, liar.

Fuck Avante, you're talking to me now. And that was progress, so what is it I'm afraid of, I am stalling because..? Don't disappoint me my friend.

I;m doing my best here to give you what you appear to need, but you do need to help out a little bit, ok?

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck Avante, you're talking to me now. And that was progress, so what is it I'm afraid of, I am stalling because..? Don't disappoint me my friend.Because you're a scared little sissy.

What part of that do you not understand?

[Avante]

Because you're a scared little sissy.

What part of that do you not understand?

I totally agree, been a little sissy all my life. Now what is it I'm a afraid of?

[ChumpDumper]

I totally agree, been a little sissy all my life. Now what is it I'm a afraid of?Reading back two pages, apparently.

What a sissy.

[Avante]

Reading back two pages, apparently.

What a sissy.

Yep, a massive sissy, huge sissy. So are we going to spent our valuable time together playing this silliness or are we going to do some serious male bonding?

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, a massive sissy, huge sissy. So are we going to spent our valuable time together playing this silliness or are we going to do some serious male bonding?All you have to do is look back a couple of pages.

Why are you afraid to do that?

[Avante]

All you have to do is look back a couple of pages.

Why are you afraid to do that?

Terrified!!!!!!

I thought you wanted to talk to me, well come on talk. Why waste time with that silliness, I;m not going back, ok?

[ChumpDumper]

Terrified!!!!!!

I thought you wanted to talk to me, well come on talk. Why waste time with that silliness, I;m not going back, ok?Why not go back?

It's very simple. You just click a link and scroll.

[Avante]

Why not go back?

It's very simple. You just click a link and scroll.

I;m done talking about evolution/God/no God, yep, bored with it. So what is it you want to talk about?

[ChumpDumper]

I;m done talking about evolution/God/no God, yep, bored with it. So what is it you want to talk about?We all know you were afraid to talk about all those things long before you started this thread with the title "Evolution."

[Avante]

We all know you were afraid to talk about all those things long before you started this thread with the title "Evolution."

Who gets afraid on a messageboard?

[ChumpDumper]

Who gets afraid on a messgaeboard?You.

I still don't know why.

Could you explain? That's what I want to know.

[Avante]

You.

I still don't know why.

Could you explain? That's what I want to know.

Sure, I talked about my beliefs on evolution in this thread many times. It's all back there.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, I talked about my beliefs on evolution in this thread many times. It's all back there.But you always shut down and start stonewalling and spamming once you are asked the simplest questions about your beliefs.

Why?

[Avante]

But you always shut down and start stonewalling and spamming once you are asked the simplest questions about your beliefs.

Why?

No I don't, just go back to the beginning of this thread and I go into detail about mt beliefs.

[ChumpDumper]

No I don't, just go back to the beginning of this thread and I go into detail about mt beliefs.lol now you are telling me to go back.

What a sissy hypocrite you are.

I asked you simple questions earlier today and you shit yourself.

You still are.

[Avante]

lol now you are telling me to go back.

What a sissy hypocrite you are.

I asked you simple questions earlier today and you shit yourself.

You still are.

You asked me questions I have already answered if you'd read the 139 pages of this thread. I don't like repeating myself.

[ChumpDumper]

You asked me questions I have already answered if you'd read the 139 pages of this thread. I don't like repeating myself.How would you know?

You're too afraid to even read the questions, sissy.

[Avante]

How would you know?

You're too afraid to even read the questions, sissy.

Afraid or simply not going to take the time? You wanna talk or not?

[ChumpDumper]

Afraid or simply not going to take the time? You wanna talk or not?You're afraid.

You're stonewalling like you always do.

:cry Real Avante :cry

[Avante]

You're afraid.

You're stonewalling like you always do.

:cry Real Avante :cry

Ask me anything ya want and you will get a legit/real answer.

[ChumpDumper]

Ask me anything ya want and you will get a legit/real answer.I already asked earlier today.

Answer those questions.

[Avante]

I already asked earlier today.

Answer those questions.

For a guy who begs me to talk to him every single day I'd think you'd be thrilled to death to have this opportunity to do just that. I;m not going back, if you wanna take advantage of FINALLY getting your wish, talk to me.

[ChumpDumper]

For a guy who begs me to talk to him every single day I'd think you'd be thrilled to death to have this opportunity to do just that. I;m not going back, if you wanna take advantage of FINALLY getting your wish talk to me.I already asked.

If you are serious about this, you'll simply go back a couple of pages and read.

If you aren't serious and just stalling like a sissy again, you won't.

It's up to you.

[Avante]

I already asked.

If you are serious about this, you'll simply go back a couple of pages and read.

If you aren't serious and just stalling like a sissy again, you won't.

It's up to you.

I;m not even a little bit serious about this, it was just something I knew would generate conversation/action. And what do we see....140...pages. I couldn't care less about evolution, ok?

Now what do you wanna talk about?

[ChumpDumper]

I;m not even a little bit serious about this, it was just something I knew would generate conversation/action. And what do we see....140...pages. I couldn't care less about evolution, ok?

Now what do you wanna talk about?You just said you aren't serious about any of this.

So you just lied again.

[Avante]

You just said you aren't serious about any of this.

So you just lied again.

I lie all the time, constantly lying, all I do is lie lie and lie.

[ChumpDumper]

I lie all the time, constantly lying, all I do is lie lie and lie.Yes.

[Avante]

Yes.

So now that you have my complete/total attention what do you wanna talk about?

[ChumpDumper]

So now that you have my complete/total attention what do you wanna talk about?You lied about that.

[ChumpDumper]

You lied about that.Thanks for your help.

[Avante]

Thanks for your help.

You chase me around day after day after day, I try to ignore you, that doesn't work. I beg you, actally plead for you to go away, that doesn't work so fuck it. You wanted me well you got me, so what do you wanna talk about?

[ChumpDumper]

You chase me around day after day after day, I try to ignore you, that doesn't work. I beg you, actally plead for you to go away, that doesn't work so fuck it. You wanted me well you got me, so what do you wanna talk about?Seems like the problem is yours.

I already asked. It's all there for you to see.

[Avante]

Seems like the problem is yours.

I already asked. It's all there for you to see.

I don't chase you around begging for you to talk to me, do I? I have no problems.

Now, you wanna...FINALLY...talk to me or just act goofy?

How aout...

Hey Chump, are you a Christian?

[spurraider21]

Just too much of this out there..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0


Who is the guy in the video, Avante?

[spurraider21]

that was his question. answer it

[ChumpDumper]

I don't chase you around begging for you to talk to me, do I? I have no problems.

Now, you wanna...FINALLY...talk to me or just act goofy?

How aout...

Hey Chump, are you a Christian?I asked my questions.

Go read them for the first time.

Otherwise, you have a problem.

[ChumpDumper]

that was his question. answer itThat'll do.

[Avante]

that was his question. answer it

I have no idea who that guy is. Who was he?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea who that guy. Who was he?And there you have it.

[spurraider21]

I have no idea who that guy is. Who was he?
:lmao

[Avante]

I asked my questions.

Go read them for the first time.

Otherwise, you have a problem.

I;m going to have to disagree, I haven't been reading you and I'm not going back and there is no problem.

[Avante]

And there you have it.

Why do I need to know who he was?

[ChumpDumper]

I;m going to have to disagree, I haven't been reading you and I'm not going back and there is no problem.You just exposed yourself to a bigger problem tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do I need to know who he was?lol

[Avante]

:lmao

I liked what he said.

[ChumpDumper]

I liked what he said.What did he say?

[Avante]

lol

Who was he?

[ChumpDumper]

Who was he?I asked you.

Who is he?

[Avante]

What did he say?

He talked about how according to the skeletal info availible to us we couldn't have evolved from an ape. He pointed out how flawed that belief was.

[ChumpDumper]

He talked about how according to the skeletal info availible to us we couldn't have evolved from an ape. He pointed out how flawed that belief was.How would he know that?

[Avante]

I asked you.

Who is he?

I don't care who he was, I liked his presentation. He really knew his stuff.

[Avante]

How would he know that?

You'd have to ask him.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't care who he was, I liked his presentation. He really knew his stuff.How would you know he knew anything?

[ChumpDumper]

You'd have to ask him.I'm asking you. You posted his video.

[Avante]

I'm asking you. You posted his video.

Why did I post that video?

[Avante]

How would you know he knew anything?

I didn't, I just tossed the dice.

[spurraider21]

I didn't, I just tossed the dice.


And there you have it.

[Avante]

Whoa whoa whoa, so he was wrong? Wrong about what and be specific.

Car wreck on the side of the road, a Doctor just happens to be driving by, he stops and stops the bleeding and gets the needed help. nobody knows his name. So?

This guy knows his stuff.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0

[spurraider21]

Whoa whoa whoa, so he was wrong? Wrong about what and be specific.

Car wreck on the side of the road, a Doctor just happens to be driving by, he stops and stops the bleeding and gets the needed help. nobody knows his name. So?
what if instead of a doctor, it was a cable repair man trying to administer medical help. would you trust him, or call a doctor

[ChumpDumper]

lol

[ChumpDumper]

Whoa whoa whoa, so he was wrong? Wrong about what and be specific.

Car wreck on the side of the road, a Doctor just happens to be driving by, he stops and stops the bleeding and gets the needed help. nobody knows his name. So?

This guy knows his stuff.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4PaBaJP8u0How do you know he knows anything?

[Avante]

what if instead of a doctor, it was a cable repair man trying to administer medical help. would you trust him, or call a doctor

I really doubt if I;m bleeding to death I;m going to be worried about that.

So where was he wrong and be specific.

[Avante]

lol

Are you serious?

[ChumpDumper]

I really doubt if I;m bleeding to death I;m going to be worried about that.

So where was he wrong and be specific.Where was he right?

How would you know he's right?

[spurraider21]

i already told you some of what he said was wrong. most notably the ending, where he demonstrates his complete lack of knowledge regarding chromosomal fusion

why should we believe anything he says? has he actually learned about this issue, or is he just some guy with a podium? why should anything he says be taken seriously?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you serious?I am seriously laughing at you and your mystery man.

[Avante]

How do you know he knows anything?

Because I;ve posted that video before and everyone agreed with it.

[Avante]

I am seriously laughing at you and your mystery man.

What's so funny?

[Avante]

i already told you some of what he said was wrong. most notably the ending, where he demonstrates his complete lack of knowledge regarding chromosomal fusion

why should we believe anything he says? has he actually learned about this issue, or is he just some guy with a podium? why should anything he says be taken seriously?

How do I know you know? Why believe anything you say?

[spurraider21]

How do I know you know? Why believe anything you say?
because you can read about chromosomal fusion in published scientific sources

[ChumpDumper]

What's so funny?Well there's this:


Because I;ve posted that video before and everyone agreed with it.and this:


How do I know you know? Why believe anything you say?

[Avante]

because you can read about chromosomal fusion in published scientific sources

Did you look at the video, other than the last 5 minutes? Ya didn't did ya?

[Avante]

Well there's this:

and this:

You're starting to make no sense again. Calm down you can do this.

[ChumpDumper]

You're starting to make no sense again. Calm down you can do this.I told you what is funny.

So what is that guy's name and what is his background?

[spurraider21]

Did you look at the video, other than the last 5 minutes? Ya didn't did ya?
i did.

the first time i commented about the video, i mentioned his discussion on monkey strength. then you specifically told me to watch the last 5 minutes. and i explained why those 5 minutes were terrible and misinformed.

[Avante]

I told you what is funny.

So what is that guy's name and what is his background?

Watch the video and then we;'ll talk about it.

[ChumpDumper]

Watch the video and then we;'ll talk about it.No. You said you would answer my questions.

Who is that guy and what is his background?

[Avante]

i did.

the first time i commented about the video, i mentioned his discussion on monkey strength. then you specifically told me to watch the last 5 minutes. and i explained why those 5 minutes were terrible and misinformed.

You fast forwarded to a few moments then cut to the last five, come on guy.

Watch the video and tell me what he was wrong about in the first 25 minutes, ok?

[ChumpDumper]

You fast forwarded to a few moments then cut to the last five, come guy.

Watch the video and tell me what he wrong about in the first 25 minutes, ok?Would that somehow make the last five minutes magically right?

[Avante]

No. You said you would answer my questions.

Who is that guy and what is his background?

He tells you his name in the video and what he is, his background, so you never watched it did ya?

[Avante]

Would that somehow make the last five minutes magically right?

Yep, sure would, nailed it!

[spurraider21]

You fast forwarded to a few moments then cut to the last five, come on guy.

Watch the video and tell me what he was wrong about in the first 25 minutes, ok?
i'm not going to do your homework for you. it was funny because you followed it up with another 30 minute video from the "recommended videos" section. you dont watch these. you just spam them and expect me sit through 30 minutes.

lol

[Avante]

i'm not going to do your homework for you

That's why I watched that video. I;m not lazy like you are.

[ChumpDumper]

He tells you his name in the video and what he is, his background, so you never watched it did ya?Of course he doesn't. Otherwise you would have simply told me these things.


Yep, sure would, nailed it!Actually it would not.

[Avante]

i'm not going to do your homework for you. it was funny because you followed it up with another 30 minute video from the "recommended videos" section. you dont watch these. you just spam them and expect me sit through 30 minutes.

lol

Well ya wanna quiz me on what's being said in those videos? I watch all of them and always have I find that stuff fascinating. So as usual wrong again.

So ya lied about watching that video, you fast forwarded to find something to bullshit about....hahaha!!!!!!!! Dude, you ain;t going to watch shit and I know that, ok? You're lazy. alright?

[ChumpDumper]

Well ya wanna quiz me on what's be said in those videos? Yes, I do.

What did the guy say his name and background are?

[Avante]

Of course he doesn't. Otherwise you would have simply told me these things.

Actually it would not.

Yes he did, and if you really cared about his name and background you'd watch the video.

[Avante]

Yes, I do.

What did the guy say his name and background are?

If you really cared about that you;d watch the video, it's all there.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes he did, and if you really cared about his name and background you'd watch the video.I am quizzing you on his name and background which you say is in the video.

Are you admitting defeat in this quiz?

[ChumpDumper]

If you really cared about that you;d watch the video, it's all there.No. I am sure it isn't.

[Avante]

I am quizzing you on his name and background which you say is in the video.

Are you admitting defeat in this quiz?

You that lazy? Watch the video, his name and background are there.

[Avante]

No. I am sure it isn't.

Wanna wager 3o days self bannishment?

When do you figure out how I operate?

[ChumpDumper]

You that lazy? Watch the video, his name and background are there.You said you would answer my questions.

I am asking these questions.

Who is the guy in the video?

What is his background?

[ChumpDumper]

Wanna wager 3o days self bannishment?You would never follow through with the terms once you lose.

[Avante]

You said you would answer my questions.

I am asking these questions.

Who is the guy in the video?

What is his background?

So is that a bet? Come on guy put up or shut up.

[Avante]

You would never follow through with the terms once you lose.

So you;re afraid, right?

[ChumpDumper]

So is that a bet? Come on guy put up or shut up.you said you would answer my questions.

I am asking these questions.

Who is the guy in the video?

What is his background?

[ChumpDumper]

So you;re afraid, right?Why would I be afraid of your welshing?