Evolution...?

[RD2191]

Of course. Post a hundred times in the thread you don't care about.

lol

You sure want my personal information.

lol
The thread is making fun of evolution. Probably even a troll thread.

I wanna know why you're such a miserable fuck. How old are you?

[ChumpDumper]

The thread is making fun of evolution. Probably even a troll thread. Well, it's something you care a lot about, no doubt. If you are all afraid to discuss your beliefs, fine. You're pussies.


I wanna know why you're such a miserable fuck.False assumption.


How old are you?lol still wanting personal information. There's something else you care about.

[RD2191]

Well, it's something you care a lot about, no doubt. If you are all afraid to discuss your beliefs, fine. You're pussies.

False assumption.

lol still wanting personal information. There's something else you care about.
Not really, I enjoy baiting people like you.

So, you are married, have kids, and happy?

[ChumpDumper]

Not really, I enjoy baiting people like you.And loathe discussing your beliefs.


So, you are married, have kids, and happy?Man, you are really interested in me. Getting so personal. Are these the things you believe people need to be happy?

[RD2191]

And loathe discussing your beliefs.

Man, you are really interested in me. Getting so personal. Are these the things you believe people need to be happy?
No I do not, but why would I discuss them with someone who is only going to mock them. I tell you I believe in God you say LOL you're stupid and it keeps going and going.

Of course not, but you aren't happy. You are obviously a very sad insecure person. I wouldn't be surprised if you still lived at home.

[Shastafarian]

Rob hasn't figured out Peking Man was Homo erectus? You could argue Neanderthals are a subspecies of Homo sapiens but I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue Homo erectus is close to a modern human.

[RD2191]

Rob hasn't figured out Peking Man was Homo erectus? You could argue Neanderthals are a subspecies of Homo sapiens but I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue Homo erectus is close to a modern human.
Sure they are, and if they're not then they're just an ape. As I said, I don't research the subject.

[ChumpDumper]

No I do not, but why would I discuss them with someone who is only going to mock them. I tell you I believe in God you say LOL you're stupid and it keeps going and going.But your stated purpose is to do the same to people who accept the theory of evolution here. That's very hypocritical of you.


Of course not, but you aren't happy. You are obviously a very sad insecure person. I wouldn't be surprised if you still lived at home.Hey, trying to make it personal again. Just remember you did this because you were unable to handle a discussion of your beliefs.

I baited you into this.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure they are, and if they're not then they're just an ape. As I said, I don't research the subject.No shit you didn't research it.

That's what made baiting you so fun.

[TeyshaBlue]

Let me see if I've got this straight....Rob, you're willfully ignorant concerning this topic?

[RD2191]

But your stated purpose is to do the same to people who accept the theory of evolution here. That's very hypocritical of you.

Hey, trying to make it personal again. Just remember you did this because you were unable to handle a discussion of your beliefs.

I baited you into this.
No it isn't. I enjoy talking shit and pissing people off. I don't care if anyone believes in evolution or not. That is their right as a human who has free will.

It wasn't a discussion of my beliefs. And keep dodging the questions, loser.

No you didn't, but you have to tell yourself that to make yourself feel better because the only life you have is on the internet.

[Shastafarian]

Sure they are, Except they're not

and if they're not then they're just an ape. Trying to bait or something?

As I said, I don't research the subject.
Ignorance is bliss I've heard. You seem fairly blissful.

[RD2191]

Let me see if I've got this straight....Rob, you're willfully ignorant concerning this topic?
I don't believe in evolution, why would I research something that I do not believe in?

[TeyshaBlue]

Thanks. Not looking for rationalization..just wondering.

[Shastafarian]

No it isn't. I enjoy talking shit and pissing people off. I don't care if anyone believes in evolution or not. That is their right as a human who has free will.

It wasn't a discussion of my beliefs. And keep dodging the questions, loser.

No you didn't, but you have to tell yourself that to make yourself feel better because the only life you have is on the internet.

:lol

[pgardn]

I don't believe in evolution, why would I research something that I do not believe in?

So you can explain why it's so far fetched to you.
If you know nothing about it, how can you say its a ridiculous idea?

[TeyshaBlue]

This thread is rich in vitamin I.

[RD2191]

Except they're not
Trying to bait or something?

Ignorance is bliss I've heard. You seem fairly blissful.
yeah, sure they are.

sure I am, baiting.

[ChumpDumper]

No it isn't. I enjoy talking shit and pissing people off.And you do that by mocking people who accept the theory of evolution here.


It wasn't a discussion of my beliefs.Of course it was. We were discussing your beliefs for quite a streak there.


And keep dodging the questions, loser.What? Your personal questions? lol


No you didn't, but you have to tell yourself that to make yourself feel better because the only life you have is on the internet.See, I did it again.

Just as I predicted.

[RD2191]

So you can explain why it's so far fetched to you.
If you know nothing about it, how can you say its a ridiculous idea?
From what I know about it is is a theory full of flaws. But as I said before, that is my opinion. I do not care of anyone else believes in it.

[TeyshaBlue]

IMO...when you have to say you're baiting, you're not.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't believe in evolution, why would I research something that I do not believe in?I've researched several religions I do not believe in. People make careers off such study.

Why is it such an alien concept to you?

[RD2191]

And you do that by mocking people who accept the theory of evolution here.

Of course it was. We were discussing your beliefs for quite a streak there.

What? Your personal questions? lol

See, I did it again.

Just as I predicted.
You didn't do anything, as I said before, you need to feel important so internet arguments are your way of doing that, loser.

[RD2191]

I've researched several religions I do not believe in. People make careers off such study.

Why is it such an alien concept to you?
Well those people are stupid, imo. I have no interest in learning about evolution. What part of that do you not understand?

[Blake]

No it isn't. I enjoy talking shit and pissing people off.

most Christians like you won't admit that.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't do anything, as I said before, you need to feel important so internet arguments are your way of doing that, loser.See?

I keep pulling the string and you keep going.

There is no way I could feel important after doing this. Too easy.

[RD2191]

most Christians like you won't admit that.
I'm not a christian yet, I do not follow their rules/principles/practices so to say I am a christian would be a lie.

[pgardn]

The thread is titled Evolution...

Why am I even...

out...

[ChumpDumper]

Well those people are stupid, imo.Actually, all indicators point to their being quite intelligent.


I have no interest in learning about evolution. What part of that do you not understand?I understand that perfectly. You wear your ignorance like a suit of armor.

[RD2191]

See?

I keep pulling the string and you keep going.

There is no way I could feel important after doing this. Too easy.
Yeah, keep going, loser. Lol.

Why are you so afraid to admit that you're a huge loser?

[RD2191]

Actually, all indicators point to their being quite intelligent.

I understand that perfectly. You wear your ignorance like a suit of armor.
Ignorance on a subject I do not believe in? makes perfect sense.

[Blake]

I'm not a christian yet, I do not follow their rules/principles/practices so to say I am a christian would be a lie.

If you believe what the Bible says, what are you waiting for?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not a christian yet, I do not follow their rules/principles/practices so to say I am a christian would be a lie.Whose authority do you recognize in the establishment of rules/principles/practices?

[RD2191]

If you believe what the Bible says, what are you waiting for?
Good question, I am simply not ready to make a commitment/promise to God. And by that I mean getting baptized.

[ChumpDumper]

Ignorance on a subject I do not believe in? makes perfect sense.
Intellectual inquiry certainly will never interfere with whatever it is you do.

[ChumpDumper]

Good question, I am simply not ready to make a commitment/promise to God. And by that I mean getting baptized.Why not?

[SnakeBoy]

So here's this little critter that looks something similiar to a mouse. So why is there ...need...for a change? It lives in a jungle, has plenty to eat, it has a good life. So after time for no reason at all it just starts changing into something else......why?

Five W's and one H (who,what,when,where,why, & how). When it comes to the origins/meaning of life why is always the hardest question to answer and scientists (and atheists) have solved that issue by pretending that the question doesn't exist. So there is no scientific answer to your question of why, you'll have to look to religion for that.

[Blake]

Good question, I am simply not ready to make a commitment/promise to God. And by that I mean getting baptized.

Baptism isn't a requirement for heaven

[ChumpDumper]

Baptism isn't a requirement for heavenDepends on the dogma to which one subscribes.

See what I did there, xmas?

[Blake]

Five W's and one H (who,what,when,where,why, & how). When it comes to the origins/meaning of life why is always the hardest question to answer and scientists (and atheists) have solved that issue by pretending that the question doesn't exist. So there is no scientific answer to your question of why, you'll have to look to religion for that.

Pretending?

[RD2191]

Why not?
In my eyes it is a very big commitment and basically becoming a new person. I curse, watch porn, have sex with women, and of course call people like you idiots/make fun of them etc etc. I obviously can't do those things if I am going to represent God/call myself a Christian. I still have a lot of things to work on and fix about myself. I can't just say hey I'm a Christian and keep on sinning. Of course I will sin after I get baptized but hopefully it will be much less than it is now. Hopefully I will be able to keep my promise to God and be able to serve him in the proper way.

[Shastafarian]

:rollin I'm so glad I don't believe in an invisible magic man

[RD2191]

Baptism isn't a requirement for heaven
I do not believe a person goes to heaven when they die. And if I did I wouldn't serve God just to get into "heaven".

[spurraider21]

I'm not a christian yet, I do not follow their rules/principles/practices so to say I am a christian would be a lie.
if you believe in the bible, you are a christian. if you dont follow their rules/principles ur still a christian. just a shitty christian

[RD2191]

if you believe in the bible, you are a christian. if you dont follow their rules/principles ur still a christian. just a shitty christian
Not true at all. Not even close. And not according to the Bible. That may be your definition of christian but to the Bible it is not.

[SnakeBoy]

Pretending?

Why do you exist?

[spurraider21]

Not true at all. Not even close. And not according to the Bible. That may be your definition of christian but to the Bible it is not.
a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

[spurraider21]

A Christian is one who has come to realize that he or she had been under that death penalty and in need of a Savior. A Christian understands that Jesus Christ paid that penalty by dying on the cross when He was completely innocent of any sin (II Cor. 5:21; I John 2:2; 4:10; Rev. 1:5; 5:9).

[RD2191]

a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
Worlds definition of Christian, not mine and not according to the Bible. Baptized, yes, but not just believing.

[spurraider21]

Worlds definition of Christian, not mine and not according to the Bible. Baptized, yes, but not just believing.
how does the bible define a christian, then? cite the passage you are referring to

[RD2191]

A Christian is one who has come to realize that he or she had been under that death penalty and in need of a Savior. A Christian understands that Jesus Christ paid that penalty by dying on the cross when He was completely innocent of any sin (II Cor. 5:21; I John 2:2; 4:10; Rev. 1:5; 5:9).
Jesus didn't die on the cross, therefore making your statement irrelevant.

[ChumpDumper]

In my eyes it is a very big commitment and basically becoming a new person. I curse, watch porn, have sex with women, and of course call people like you idiots/make fun of them etc etc. I obviously can't do those things if I am going to represent God/call myself a Christian. I still have a lot of things to work on and fix about myself. I can't just say hey I'm a Christian and keep on sinning. Of course I will sin after I get baptized but hopefully it will be much less than it is now. Hopefully I will be able to keep my promise to God and be able to serve him in the proper way.So you'll get around to becoming a Christian when you feel you can comfortably give up things you know to be wrong but enjoy greatly.

I don't even know what to say to that.

[RD2191]

how does the bible define a christian, then? cite the passage you are referring to
Don't need to. You can find it if you want to. Use Google.

If you believe in science that makes you a scientist? :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Not true at all. Not even close. And not according to the Bible. That may be your definition of christian but to the Bible it is not.

The bible can be interpreted in many ways. Since Catholics believe that people of different faiths and even atheists can go to heaven are you saying that catholics are not Christian or that Catholics don't believe in the bible.

And what is it that you think the bible is?

[spurraider21]

Jesus didn't die on the cross, therefore making your statement irrelevant.
actually, i'm pretty sure he did

[spurraider21]

Don't need to. You can find it if you want to. Use Google.

If you believe in science that makes you a scientist? :lol
i used google and i posted some of the first definitions i found, you rejected them. if you claim those definitions are inaccurate, i'd like to see where you get yours from (unless its one you just made up, which is cool).

"scientist" isn't a religion, and science isn't a belief system

[RD2191]

The bible can be interpreted in many ways. Since Catholics believe that people of different faiths and even atheists can go to heaven are you saying that catholics are not Christian or that Catholics don't believe in the bible.

And what is it that you think the bible is?
I do not consider someone who believes in the Bible a christian. I consider someone who is baptized and follows Gods laws/principles a Christian. If someone wants to claim that they're Christian just because they believe in the Bible then that is their choice.

What exactly do you mean?

[RD2191]

actually, i'm pretty sure he did
No he didn't.

[Shastafarian]

actually, i'm pretty sure he did

Even good christians believe he did

[spurraider21]

No he didn't.
i guess you're right. you aren't a christian if you dont believe the story of jesus dying on the cross

[RD2191]

i used google and i posted some of the first definitions i found, you rejected them. if you claim those definitions are inaccurate, i'd like to see where you get yours from (unless its one you just made up, which is cool).

"scientist" isn't a religion, and science isn't a belief system
I get mine from the Bible. If you want to use a definition from somewhere else then go right ahead.

Doesn't matter. Does believing in science make you a scientist?

[RD2191]

i guess you're right. you aren't a christian if you dont believe the story of jesus dying on the cross
Jesus died but not on a cross.

[spurraider21]

I get mine from the Bible. If you want to use a definition from somewhere else then go right ahead.

Doesn't matter. Does believing in science make you a scientist?
i gave a definition that was from the bible, with the verses cited, and you still rejected it. can you cite where you get your definition from?

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus died but not on a cross.How he die?

[SnakeBoy]

In my eyes it is a very big commitment and basically becoming a new person. I curse, watch porn, have sex with women, and of course call people like you idiots/make fun of them etc etc. I obviously can't do those things if I am going to represent God/call myself a Christian. I still have a lot of things to work on and fix about myself. I can't just say hey I'm a Christian and keep on sinning. Of course I will sin after I get baptized but hopefully it will be much less than it is now. Hopefully I will be able to keep my promise to God and be able to serve him in the proper way.

Uh that is what Christianity is all about. Under Christianity we all inherent original sin. In other words we are all born sinners and no matter how hard we try we will continue to sin yet we will be forgiven. Quite different from Islam which believes there was no original sin (Adam was innocent, Eve just fucked him over) and we are born innocent and must remain that way and be punished if we do sin.

[RD2191]

THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people.The Encyclopædia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?
An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” isstau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means twopieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon.(Acts 5:30; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/5/#v44005030) 10:39; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/10/#v44010039) 13:29; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/13/#v44013029) Galatians 3:13; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013) 1 Peter 2:24 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-peter/2/#v60002024)) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”
The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013)) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/deuteronomy/21/#v5021022-v5021023), which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.
Why, then, was this pagan symbol promoted? Apparently, to make it easier for pagans to accept “Christianity.” Nevertheless, devotion to any pagan symbol is clearly condemned by the Bible. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-corinthians/6/#v47006014-v47006018)) The Scriptures also forbid all forms of idolatry. (Exodus 20:4, 5; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/exodus/20/#v2020004-v2020005)1 Corinthians 10:14 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/10/#v46010014)) With very good reason, therefore, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. * (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/why-true-christians-do-not-use-the-cross-in-worship/#footnote1)

[RD2191]

i gave a definition that was from the bible, with the verses cited, and you still rejected it. can you cite where you get your definition from?
The Bible. Did you look up the scriptures you quoted and study them for yourself?

[SnakeBoy]

What exactly do you mean?

I mean what do you think the Bible is exactly? (a rulebook or something) *HINT There is another name for the Bible

[spurraider21]

The Bible. Did you look up the scriptures you quoted and study them for yourself?
i haven't read out of a bible for a long time. where in the bible are you getting your definition from. if you can't cite it, i'm certain you are just making up a definition

[RD2191]

I mean what do you think the Bible is exactly? (a rulebook or something) *HINT There is another name for the Bible
A collection of books used to guide people in their every day lives. The story of creation/God. Laws given to us that we need to follow.

[Shastafarian]

Laws given to us that we need to follow.

So why don't you follow them?

[spurraider21]

THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people.The Encyclopædia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?
An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” isstau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means twopieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon.(Acts 5:30; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/5/#v44005030) 10:39; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/10/#v44010039) 13:29; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/13/#v44013029) Galatians 3:13; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013) 1 Peter 2:24 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-peter/2/#v60002024)) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”
The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013)) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/deuteronomy/21/#v5021022-v5021023), which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.
Why, then, was this pagan symbol promoted? Apparently, to make it easier for pagans to accept “Christianity.” Nevertheless, devotion to any pagan symbol is clearly condemned by the Bible. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-corinthians/6/#v47006014-v47006018)) The Scriptures also forbid all forms of idolatry. (Exodus 20:4, 5; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/exodus/20/#v2020004-v2020005)1 Corinthians 10:14 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/10/#v46010014)) With very good reason, therefore, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. * (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/why-true-christians-do-not-use-the-cross-in-worship/#footnote1)
this is very much so a minority view.

my grandfather (from my dad's side) was an armenian orthodox priest, i was raised with this shit, having read the english king james version and the armenian version of the bible, both of which cite crucifixion

[ChumpDumper]

THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people.The Encyclopædia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?
An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” isstau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means twopieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon.(Acts 5:30; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/5/#v44005030) 10:39; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/10/#v44010039) 13:29; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/acts/13/#v44013029) Galatians 3:13; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013) 1 Peter 2:24 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-peter/2/#v60002024)) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”
The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/3/#v48003013)) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/deuteronomy/21/#v5021022-v5021023), which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.
Why, then, was this pagan symbol promoted? Apparently, to make it easier for pagans to accept “Christianity.” Nevertheless, devotion to any pagan symbol is clearly condemned by the Bible. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/2-corinthians/6/#v47006014-v47006018)) The Scriptures also forbid all forms of idolatry. (Exodus 20:4, 5; (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/exodus/20/#v2020004-v2020005)1 Corinthians 10:14 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/1-corinthians/10/#v46010014)) With very good reason, therefore, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. * (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/why-true-christians-do-not-use-the-cross-in-worship/#footnote1)So who introduced you to this line of religious thought?

[RD2191]

i haven't read out of a bible for a long time. where in the bible are you getting your definition from. if you can't cite it, i'm certain you are just making up a definition
So if you haven't read from it where are you getting your definition from? If you read the Bible and actually studied it you would know what qualifies/who is qualified to call themselves a Christian.

[spurraider21]

So if you haven't read from it where are you getting your definition from? If you read the Bible and actually studied it you would know what qualifies/who is qualified to call themselves a Christian.
i have read 2 versions of the bible, just not for a while. with that being said, i know what makes somebody a christian. you haven't even given me your definition of a christian and still haven't been able to cite where you got it from

[RD2191]

this is very much so a minority view.

my grandfather (from my dad's side) was an armenian orthodox priest, i was raised with this shit, having read the english king james version and the armenian version of the bible, both of which cite crucifixion
Okay, minority, but the truth, imo.

[RD2191]

i have read 2 versions of the bible, just not for a while. with that being said, i know what makes somebody a christian. you haven't even given me your definition of a christian and still haven't been able to cite where you got it from
I got it from the Bible. As I said before and will say it again, if anyone wants to call themselves a christian for just believing in God then that is up to them. If you want to call a believer a christian then that is up to you.

[spurraider21]

I got it from the Bible. As I said before and will say it again, if anyone wants to call themselves a christian for just believing in God then that is up to them. If you want to call a believer a christian then that is up to you.
i didn't say "just for believing in god"

and where from the bible?

[spurraider21]

i can make bullshit claims too

me: christianity fully believes in evolution
robdiaz: where did you get that?
me: the bible

[RD2191]

So who introduced you to this line of religious thought?
Little old lady came knocking, I answered the door. That is when I was introduced to what I believe is the truth.

[Shastafarian]

Must be nice to choose when and how you want to follow these necessary "laws". God's not watching all the time it's cool.



:lol

[RD2191]

i didn't say "just for believing in god"

and where from the bible?
So someone who believes in God and follows some of his laws is a Christian?

Too many scriptures to cite. You can Google it if you'd like.

[ChumpDumper]

Little old lady came knocking, I answered the door. That is when I was introduced to what I believe is the truth.http://media1.giphy.com/media/BinjLhciLF2gM/giphy.gif

[RD2191]

Must be nice to choose when and how you want to follow these necessary "laws". God's not watching all the time it's cool.



:lol
Which is exactly why I haven't gotten baptized. Try to keep up, buddy.

[RD2191]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/BinjLhciLF2gM/giphy.gif
?

[spurraider21]

So someone who believes in God and follows some of his laws is a Christian?

Too many scriptures to cite. You can Google it if you'd like.
what is the definition of Christian that you go by? in your own words

[Shastafarian]

Which is exactly why I haven't gotten baptized. Try to keep up, buddy.

Yeah I'm with you. That's why I'm laughing. You think getting dunked in water somehow absolves you of being a shitty human (based on the bible) for the majority of your life so far.

[ChumpDumper]

?I have my answer.

I know what I need to know.

[RD2191]

what is the definition of Christian that you go by? in your own words
Someone who is baptized and follows Gods rules/laws.

[RD2191]

I have my answer.

I know what I need to know.
Great.

[RD2191]

Yeah I'm with you. That's why I'm laughing. You think getting dunked in water somehow absolves you of being a shitty human (based on the bible) for the majority of your life so far.
When did I make that claim?:lol Keep going, buddy.

[spurraider21]

Someone who is baptized and follows Gods rules/laws.
so believing in the story of jesus christ isn't a requisite? neat

[Shastafarian]

If they're necessary why don't you follow them now?

[ChumpDumper]

Great.Yep, hence the GIF.

[Shastafarian]

When did I make that claim?:lol Keep going, buddy.

Oh so baptism is just a promise not to keep sinning? I've heard different meanings of the practice to be honest.

[RD2191]

so believing in the story of jesus christ isn't a requisite? neat
Believing that Jesus died for your sins doesn't make anyone a Christian. Faith without works is dead.

14 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/2/#v59002014) Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he does not have works?+ (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/mcr/8914259/) That faith cannot save him, can it?+ (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/mcr/8914265/) 15 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/2/#v59002015) If a brother or a sister is lacking clothing* (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/2/#fn8914282) and enough food for the day, 16 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/2/#v59002016) yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it?+ (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/mcr/8914297/) 17 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/james/2/#v59002017) So, too, faith by itself, without works, is dead.+ (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/mcr/8914318/)

[Shastafarian]

Selective sinning. I like the sound of that.

[RD2191]

Oh so baptism is just a promise not to keep sinning? I've heard different meanings of the practice to be honest.
In a sense, maybe. Doesn't mean that the person getting baptized will never sin again.

[RD2191]

Selective sinning. I like the sound of that.
Your words, not mine.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh.
http://static.squarespace.com/static/50b4e9cce4b05eacaf727e8d/t/525bfb80e4b0107b330b96b6/1381759888943/columbo-scratching-o.gif
One more thing:

If you die tonight, where will you spend your afterlife?

[Shastafarian]

Your words, not mine.

Yeah I know. Pretty apt description if I do say so myself.

[RD2191]

Yeah I know. Pretty apt description if I do say so myself.
Not really, a stupid and ignorant one, imo.

[Shastafarian]

In a sense, maybe. Doesn't mean that the person getting baptized will never sin again.

What happens if you sin after getting baptized? Celestial spanking?

[RD2191]

Oh.
http://static.squarespace.com/static/50b4e9cce4b05eacaf727e8d/t/525bfb80e4b0107b330b96b6/1381759888943/columbo-scratching-o.gif
One more thing:

If you die tonight, where will you spend your afterlife?
What do you mean by afterlife? I believe nothing happens when you die. You simply cease to exist.

[Shastafarian]

Not really, a stupid and ignorant one, imo.

Pretty sure you're selecting to sin before you get magic water dumped on your head. Selective sinning.

[RD2191]

What happens if you sin after getting baptized? Celestial spanking?
Depends on your denomination.

[ChumpDumper]

What do you mean by afterlife? I believe nothing happens when you die. You simply cease to exist.So what is the point of following any religion?

[Shastafarian]

Depends on your denomination.

lol what? So all denominations are correct? Damn must be hard to keep track of all the crazy shit up there for god.


Even mormons???

[RD2191]

Pretty sure you're selecting to sin before you get magic water dumped on your head. Selective sinning.
I sin, as I said before, why would I get baptized if I am still sinning even though I know it is wrong? I'm obviously not ready for it. Getting baptized isn't gonna magically make me a better person.

[RD2191]

lol what? So all denominations are correct? Damn must be hard to keep track of all the crazy shit up there for god.


Even mormons???
If you keep being ignorant I will not answer your questions. As I said, it depends on your denomination. Are you asking what the Bible says about it?

[Shastafarian]

I sin, as I said before, why would I get baptized if I am still sinning even though I know it is wrong? I'm obviously not ready for it. Getting baptized isn't gonna magically make me a better person.

And as I said it must be nice to be able to do that and think your creator won't care.

[Shastafarian]

If you keep being ignorant I will not answer your questions. As I said, it depends on your denomination. Are you asking what the Bible says about it?

I was asking about you (hence why I said "you") but then you threw that denomination line on me. What happens if (let's be honest, when) you sin after getting baptized?

[RD2191]

So what is the point of following any religion?
I don't follow a religion to save myself. I follow because I am thankful to God and believe I should serve him and honor him for giving me life. If I did it just to save myself I would obviously fail in keeping his laws.

[RD2191]

And as I said it must be nice to be able to do that and think your creator won't care.
When did I say he didn't care? Why do you keep making shit up?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't follow a religion to save myself. I follow because I am thankful to God and believe I should serve him and honor him for giving me life. If I did it just to save myself I would obviously fail in keeping his laws.What are the consequences for breaking his laws?

[Shastafarian]

When did I say he didn't care? Why do you keep making shit up?

Must not be a very powerful creator if you willfully disobey him constantly all because you're "not ready".

[RD2191]

What are the consequences for breaking his laws?
Death.

[Shastafarian]

Why can you choose when you want to follow these necessary laws? If they need to be followed why don't you follow them? Being ready is a frame of mind. You're just selfish if that's the true answer and I doubt the creator looks kindly on that.

[RD2191]

Must not be a very powerful creator if you willfully disobey him constantly all because you're "not ready".
Of course he is, I will pay for my sins unless I change my way of life.

[Shastafarian]

Of course he is, I will pay for my sins unless I change my way of life.

How do you know you won't pay for them before you can get dunked in magic water?

[ChumpDumper]

Death.But you're going to die if you follow his laws perfectly too, so what's the point?

[RD2191]

Why can you choose when you want to follow these necessary laws? If they need to be followed why don't you follow them? Being ready is a frame of mind. You're just selfish if that's the true answer and I doubt the creator looks kindly on that.
Who said anything about choosing? They apply to me each and every day. God gave me the right to break them every day, that of course does not mean that I won't have to answer to him for breaking them. I just can't follow them today and not tomorrow.

[RD2191]

But you're going to die if you follow his laws perfectly too, so what's the point?
Oh no, I believe there will eventually be a resurrection. Yes, as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

[RD2191]

How do you know you won't pay for them before you can get dunked in magic water?
Because it doesn't say that in the Bible.

[TE]

robdiaz holding his own tbh :tu

[Shastafarian]

Who said anything about choosing? You did.

They apply to me each and every day. God gave me the right to break them every day, that of course does not mean that I won't have to answer to him for breaking them. I just can't follow them today and not tomorrow.It seems like you can do exactly that.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh no, I believe there will eventually be a resurrection. Yes, as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.So right now if you die you won't be resurrected?

[Shastafarian]

Because it doesn't say that in the Bible.

Then why not wait until you're on your deathbed to go for a swim? You foresee an end to your selfishness?

[RD2191]

You did.
It seems like you can do exactly that. Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

[SnakeBoy]

It seems like you can do exactly that.

He can...without consequence.

[Shastafarian]

Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.

I thought you didn't consider yourself a true christian

[RD2191]

So right now if you die you won't be resurrected?
Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.

[RD2191]

I thought you didn't consider yourself a true christian
I don't. I do not follow Gods laws/am not baptized, therefore I do not call myself a Christian. Not even trying to troll but you have some serious reading comprehension skills.

[RD2191]

robdiaz holding his own tbh :tu
Thanks man, hope all is well.

[ChumpDumper]

Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.So according to your current beliefs, you are risking being erased from existence by God because you prefer jerking off to porn and arguing on the internet and have chosen those, among other things, to following God's law.

Correct?

[RD2191]

So according to your current beliefs, you are risking being erased from existence by God because you prefer jerking off to porn and arguing on the internet and have chosen those, among other things, to following God's law.

Correct?
:lolSounds harsh but that is correct. I also do other things but yeah. If I were to die without ever repenting and getting baptized I would be gone forever.

[ChumpDumper]

:lolSounds harsh but that is correct. I also do other things but yeah. If I were to die without ever repenting and getting baptized I would be gone forever.Well, you have your priorities.

[RD2191]

Getting baptized however also does not guarantee being saved. I could get baptized but if I keep sinning the way I was before then the baptism was obviously pointless and a lie to myself and God.

[mouse]

23 pages later and still no proof of Evolution

[RandomGuy]

you do realize that not every organism that dies leaves behind a preserved fossil right? only a very small percentage end up in a position that would lead to fossilization. those "failed" organisms who's mutations weren't beneficial (by nature of being failed) were not around for very long, at least compared to the more successful breeds. if you have a successful line of horses over a million years, you'll find some fossils. if you have a failed adaptation/version of horses that likely didn't last more than 5-6 generations, the chances of one of them fossilizing and being discovered now is much much smaller, just due to the time elapsed

Keep in mind he is copying and pasting arguments that have already been debunked for years, if not decades.

These tropes have been laboriously cataloged and simply responded to by people more familiar with the science and evidence.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

[RandomGuy]

moth is a moth, finch is a finch, yeah evolution

A moth is a moth, but one of the defining characteristics of a species is the ability to interbreed.

Some moths cannot interbreed with other species of moth. This happens for a variety of reasons.

You can start here by simply understanding what a species IS:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Go further with a few more examples:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
And more
http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html


Birds, fish, mammals, plants, bacteria, etc, etc. etc.

We are not going to observe the large kinds of morphological changes you think we need to in order to prove evolution, and we don't have to, in order for evolution to be true.

That speciation events are common enough for us to observe and catalog is sufficient, especially in conjunction with the other evidence. All one needs is time, and the full phylogeny we have today is fully explained.

[RandomGuy]

Not really, I'm not talking about what the experiments found, just about who or what caused them. It was obviously a man/woman behind it, they didn't just happen randomly for no reason at all.

Mutations happen randomly, and simple natural selection forces the rest. There is no evidence that any of this process was pushed along or guided by anything intelligent.

Quite frankly if that were the case, we would look a whole lot different.

[Shastafarian]

I don't. I do not follow Gods laws/am not baptized, therefore I do not call myself a Christian.

So then what stops you from choosing when to follow the laws?


Well technically as you have free will, you can. That doesn't mean they do not apply every day. And I could do that, but then I would be a hypocrite and not a true Christian.You're not a christian so you can do (and I bet do) it. Right?


Not even trying to troll but you have some serious reading comprehension skills.I think you have trouble with your own comprehension skills here.

[Shastafarian]

Mutations happen randomly, and simple natural selection forces the rest. There is no evidence that any of this process was pushed along or guided by anything intelligent.

Quite frankly if that were the case, we would look a whole lot different.

Quite frankly the giraffe's recurrent laryngeal nerve wouldn't be so long either. One of many observations that show how unintelligent evolution can be. Either that or god isn't too bright.

[Blake]

I do not believe a person goes to heaven when they die. And if I did I wouldn't serve God just to get into "heaven".

Then what's the point of you wanting to be a Christian?

[it's me]

So the bible freaks pick and choose continues, nothing new. Rigoberto all of a sudden believes he'll get "eternal life" if he does good... but he won't go to hell if he does bad.... no, of course not, he will just cease to exist :lmao how fucking convenient.

[it's me]

Getting baptized however also does not guarantee being saved. I could get baptized but if I keep sinning the way I was before then the baptism was obviously pointless and a lie to myself and God.

Saved from what or who?

[it's me]

..... and :lmao @ not wanting to learn about thing you don't believe in. Funny shit indeed.

[Blake]

Well Chump, that is a very hard question to answer. Remember that the Bible says that once a person has died they have paid for their sins. However, it is my understanding that once a person has heard about God/his laws/rules and refuse to follow them that person does not have a chance at being resurrected. This is just my understanding and I could be very wrong.

So you don't believe in heaven, but you believe in reincarnation.

k, how many times have you been reincarnated?

[RandomGuy]

Oh no, I believe there will eventually be a resurrection. Yes, as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

So how do you know this?

[it's me]

So how do you know this?

Rob is obviously buying into the door knockers sect.

[RandomGuy]

Rob is obviously buying into the door knockers sect.

That may say what, but not why. The whys become important, especially if you are concerned with believing in things for good reasons as opposed to false or fallacious ones.

[Avante]

I'll ask again....

Where are all these different stages of evolution? Todays rat was once a , which was a , then we had a, and a....?

Just how many stages of a worm was possible?

[RD2191]

Mutations happen randomly, and simple natural selection forces the rest. There is no evidence that any of this process was pushed along or guided by anything intelligent.

Quite frankly if that were the case, we would look a whole lot different.
What is your definition of Evolution? In your owns words. Random mutations with no purpose?

[RD2191]

That may say what, but not why. The whys become important, especially if you are concerned with believing in things for good reasons as opposed to false or fallacious ones.
Why what? I believe it because I have faith in the Bible. Are you looking for scriptures?

[RD2191]

So you don't believe in heaven, but you believe in reincarnation.

k, how many times have you been reincarnated?
When did I ever say anything about reincarnation? Why are you saying things that are not true?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll ask again....

Where are all these different stages of evolution? Todays rat was once a , which was a , then we had a, and a....?

Just how many stages of a worm was possible?Buy a book about it if you are so curious.

Then read the cover to us.

[RandomGuy]

Why what? I believe it because I have faith in the Bible. Are you looking for scriptures?

Why do you have faith in the Bible?

How do you know your interpretation of the bible is correct?

[RandomGuy]

I'll ask again....

Where are all these different stages of evolution? Todays rat was once a , which was a , then we had a, and a....?

Just how many stages of a worm was possible?


The different stages in our planets biological evolution are contained in the fossil record. The information you are seeking is pretty well documented and peer reviewed. We have something on the order of hundreds of millions of fossils world-wide and more are being unearthed daily.

About Our Collections: Our collections contain over 40 million fossil animals (invertebrates and vertebrates), fossil plants, fossil unicellular organisms, and sediment samples. These fossils and samples record the history of life on our planet over the last 2.5 billion years. Please visit our Online Catalog to search our collection database of over 585,000 records. The database contains information about each specimen or sample and a growing number of specimen images.

Included in our collections are over 1,500 cataloged specimens of dinosaurs. Of these, about 30 are on exhibit and 6 are the actual specimens that were used to name new dinosaur species. One of our biggest and most popular projects was the digitizing and remounting of our Triceratops skeleton, a dinosaur that was on display since 1905. It became the world's first anatomically accurate digital dinosaur rendered from fossils.

Other notable collections include the Burgess Shale, the Glass Mountain fauna from the Permian Reef complex in Texas, Green River Formation insects, the Springer Collection of echinoderms, and the Cushman Collection of foraminifera.

Some of our ongoing collections work involves archival conservation projects that help to protect our most valuable specimens, artwork, and documentation. We have several staff members, contract workers, and volunteers working on this endeavor.

http://paleobiology.si.edu/collections/paleocollections.html

The full phylogenic composition, shown here:
http://www.utexas.edu/features/graphics/2008/tree/tree3.jpg

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2008/03/03/tree/

Pretty much shows how things developed.

You do understand phylogeny and how this supports both evolution, and is supported by genetic analysis, correct?

[Avante]

http://paleobiology.si.edu/collections/paleocollections.html

The full phylogenic composition, shown here:
http://www.utexas.edu/features/graphics/2008/tree/tree3.jpg

http://www.utexas.edu/features/2008/03/03/tree/

Pretty much shows how things developed.

You do understand phylogeny and how this supports both evolution, and is supported by genetic analysis, correct?


I'll try again, where are the different stages of the rat? Was that suppose to answer that question?

[Shastafarian]

How about this?

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/6/1315/F1.large.jpg

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/6/1315.full

[Avante]

How about this?

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/6/1315/F1.large.jpg

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/6/1315.full

Nope!

How about...

The rat

The very first rat looked like this.... then it looked like his....then came this....after that we had this.......then it looked like this ...and finally the rat we know and love today.

[Blake]

I'll try again, where are the different stages of the rat? Was that suppose to answer that question?

Lazy ass

[Blake]

When did I ever say anything about reincarnation? Why are you saying things that are not true?

why is it such a chore to get you to spell out what you believe happens after you die?

If you don't believe in heaven or hell, where will you be when you get resurrected?

[Shastafarian]

Nope!

How about...

The ratRat is on there friend


The very first rat looked like this.... then it looked like his....then came this....after that we had this.......then it looked like this ...and finally the rat we know and love today.
Did you go to the link? Rodent evolution described fairly well. If you want each and every fossil species of rodent that were ancestors of the modern rat then maybe you should go look for them. Paleontologists always need volunteers, even if they are a bit slow.

[SnakeBoy]

http://creationsafaris.com/images/BM-ItEvolved.jpg

[Blake]

http://creationsafaris.com/images/BM-ItEvolved.jpg

What's your belief on how man got here?

[Avante]

Rat is on there friend


Did you go to the link? Rodent evolution described fairly well. If you want each and every fossil species of rodent that were ancestors of the modern rat then maybe you should go look for them. Paleontologists always need volunteers, even if they are a bit slow.

Nobody is slow here amigo, I asked to see the evolution of the rat, so you showed me a bunch of bullshit that didn't do that. Ya see shorty there are no stages of the rat that can be proven, you do know this....right?

[Blake]

Why do you exist?

me individually or are you referring to humans?

Mom and dad got busy on the first.

Don't know that there's a specific purpose for second.

Randomness is a distinct possibility

[Blake]

Nobody is slow here amigo, I asked to see the evolution of the rat, so you showed me a bunch of bullshit that didn't do that. Ya see shorty there are no stages of the rat that can be proven, you do know this....right?

You're intellectually lazy.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody is slow here amigo, I asked to see the evolution of the rat, so you showed me a bunch of bullshit that didn't do that. Ya see shorty there are no stages of the rat that can be proven, you do know this....right?Read a book if you are interested.

[Shastafarian]

Nobody is slow here amigo,I think most people viewing this would disagree :lol

I asked to see the evolution of the rat, so you showed me a bunch of bullshit that didn't do that. Did you read it?

Ya see shorty there are no stages of the rat that can be proven, you do know this....right?Stages of the rat? You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

[Avante]

I think most people viewing this would disagree :lol
Did you read it?
Stages of the rat? You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Hmmmm?
Comprising 50% of all mammal species, rodents should be prolific in the fossil record, and evolutionists should expect to find numerous examples of transitional species. However, Britannica states: “Rodents are relatively poorly represented in collections of fossils, in spite of their great abundance at the present time.”2 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#fn_2) This situation is clarified with the explanation that rodents have often been “overlooked” because of their small size, “but modern exploration for fossils usually results in a much more abundant representation of small mammals, especially rodents.” The bottom line—there is no fossil evidence for the evolution of any rodent from a non-rodent.

[Shastafarian]

Did you read it?

[Blake]

Hmmmm?
Comprising 50% of all mammal species, rodents should be prolific in the fossil record, and evolutionists should expect to find numerous examples of transitional species. However, Britannica states: “Rodents are relatively poorly represented in collections of fossils, in spite of their great abundance at the present time.”2 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#fn_2) This situation is clarified with the explanation that rodents have often been “overlooked” because of their small size, “but modern exploration for fossils usually results in a much more abundant representation of small mammals, especially rodents.” The bottom line—there is no fossil evidence for the evolution of any rodent from a non-rodent.

^ doesn't believe in the Bible but plagiarizes from a website called "answers in Genesis"

https://answersingenesis.org/mammals/rats-no-evolution/


Lol still has me on ignore

[it's me]

^ doesn't believe in the Bible but plagiarizes from a website called "answers in Genesis"

https://answersingenesis.org/mammals/rats-no-evolution/


Lol still has me on ignore

:lmao I can smell bible freaks from miles. I'm sure this guy believes some crazy ass shit from the little book, but he's sort of ashamed to recognize it.

[Blake]

:lmao I can smell bible freaks from miles. I'm sure this guy believes some crazy ass shit from the little book, but he's sort of ashamed to recognize it.

Actually he's started threads making fun of the Bible.

[it's me]

Actually he's started threads making fun of the Bible.

Smoke curtain IMO... he may acknowledge most of it is bullshit but I think he still believes the basic stuff.

[Blake]

I think he's simply dumb. Very dumb.

[RandomGuy]

I'll try again, where are the different stages of the rat? Was that suppose to answer that question?

It does, from what I can understand of your question.

What do you mean by "stages"?

[RandomGuy]

I'll give it a try:

"rat" includes a lot of different species.

The circular gif given did includ the order mamalia.

"rat" refers to a subclass of the family rodentia.

Early rodents branched off into two clads, and then further differentiated from there into quite a few different groupings that includes.

Rodentia->Superfamily-Muroidea> Family: Muridae> Subfamily:Murinae >Genus:Rattus

That is the order in which "rats" evolved from the original early family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodent

Not hard to find if you know what you are looking for, and how things evolved from earlier "stages".

(edit)

http://oi39.tinypic.com/21b69o4.jpg


Rattus is in the blue line most of the way down.

This picture is a much blown up section showing JUST the rodentia family.

[Avante]

It does, from what I can understand of your question.

What do you mean by "stages"?


Gradual change, is what I'm talking about. Obviously if the rat did evolve it wasn't done overnight, so we'd see that gradual change that resulted in todays rat, where is that gradual change at?

[RandomGuy]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1302593/thumbs/o-ANCIENT-MAMMAL-570.jpg?8
"The fossil of Rugosodon eurasiaticus is preserved in two shale slabs in part (left) and counterpart (right). It is about 6.5 inches (17 cm) long from head to rump, and is estimated to have weighed about 2.8 ounces (80 grams)."

Ancient rodents, among the earliest mammals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/early-mammals-fossil-rodent-reigned_n_3766913.html

[cantthinkofanything]

Gradual change, is what I'm talking about. Obviously if the rat did evolve it wasn't done overnight, so we'd see that gradual change that resulted in todays rat, where is that gradual change at?

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/223/7/d/squirtle_evolution_chain_by_lightningcharm-d5xibt9.png

[SnakeBoy]

me individually or are you referring to humans?

Mom and dad got busy on the first.

Don't know that there's a specific purpose for second.

Randomness is a distinct possibility

lol pretending just like I said. That's How btw.

Why do you exist?



What's your belief on how man got here?

Formed from dust by God for a purpose or evolved from dust due to some random chemical reactions for no particular reason are the only two theories out there. I'll go with the first but I'll admit the question isn't of much interest to me.

Why do you exist?

[cantthinkofanything]

but as to the rat

http://ak1.polyvoreimg.com/cgi/img-set/cid/91751226/id/8bLB6fVbQ0SRDCyDcFpmxw/size/y.jpg

[Avante]

Did Humans Really Evolve From Rats?


A whole study is or was done on this, dead serious.

[RandomGuy]

Nope!

How about...

The rat

The very first rat looked like this.... then it looked like his....then came this....after that we had this.......then it looked like this ...and finally the rat we know and love today.

Shit is out there if you go and look.

I will continue to walk down their evolutionary path if you wish.

Start with images of "rodentia", then simply walk down the phylogentic "path".

Each branching will be "newer" in the fossil record, and lead you to your beloved rat.

[RandomGuy]

Did Humans Really Evolve From Rats?


A whole study is or was done on this, dead serious.

Rodents were among the earliest mammals.

It is not as odd as you think.

If you will notice, lemurs, and our own branch, homo, are not far from that of the rat in the section of the phogenetic tree that I posted.

"rats" ? No, that is a misunderstanding. Ancient rodents?

Quite possibly. 160 million years is a long time to add variances for fast breeding mammals.

[RandomGuy]

What's your belief on how man got here?

Gods hand guided evolution. He believes the sudden bursts of evolution that happened after the long periods of stasis are "proof".

[SnakeBoy]

Rodents were among the earliest mammals.

It is not as odd as you think.

If you will notice, lemurs, and our own branch, homo, are not far from that of the rat in the section of the phogenetic tree that I posted.

"rats" ? No, that is a misunderstanding. Ancient rodents?

Quite possibly. 160 million years is a long time to add variances for fast breeding mammals.

Did we all evolve from single celled photosynthetic algae?

[Blake]

lol pretending just like I said. That's How btw.

Why do you exist?

Cause mom and dad wanted kids.

No idea where you are going here.



Formed from dust by God for a purpose or evolved from dust due to some random chemical reactions for no particular reason are the only two theories out there. I'll go with the first but I'll admit the question isn't of much interest to me.

Why do you exist?

If you go with the second theory, then there is no "why". There just "is".

I don't know why the universe exists. It just is.

But since you are going with the first theory: why does God exist?

[SnakeBoy]

No idea where you are going here.


I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.

[RandomGuy]

Did we all evolve from single celled photosynthetic algae?


Dunno. You tell me.

They have discovered some interesting things about early life fairly recently, that includes the ability of very simple single celled organisms to share DNA making finding a "first" organism almost impossible, as the concept of "species" doesn't really apply when that happens.

More than likely most multi-cellular organisms did come out of photosynthetic cells of some sort, to my understanding.

[RD2191]

why is it such a chore to get you to spell out what you believe happens after you die?

If you don't believe in heaven or hell, where will you be when you get resurrected?
Chore? You asked once. Lol.

1,000 year reign. Millions resurrected. Then a final Judgement Day. After that it will be smooth sailing in a Paradise Earth.

[Blake]

I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.

You're playing with semantics.

"why" presupposes a purpose.

If there's no purpose, there's no "why". Only "how".

[RandomGuy]

I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.


Ah, you are trying for the "gotcha" moment concerning abiogenesis, which is different from evolution, per se.

The evidence we have begun to compile about the behaviors of simple proteins and specifically the molecules that form DNA is that they do tend to clump. The very chemical properties of these things pretty much guarantees they will spontaneously start combining.

Further those molecules would be, and are, very common in our solar system.

"God of the gaps" is simply a form of argument from ignorance.

Which is a logical fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Sorry. Been there, seen it, and it doesn't form the basis of anything you think it does.

[SnakeBoy]

More than likely most multi-cellular organisms did come out of photosynthetic cells of some sort, to my understanding.

That is my understanding also. So the question of why should be asked. Why was it advantageous for all higher forms of life to lose the ability to photosynthesize light?

[Blake]

Chore? You asked once. Lol.

1,000 year reign. Millions resurrected. Then a final Judgement Day. After that it will be smooth sailing in a Paradise Earth.

So you believe in the book of Revelation?

[RD2191]

So you believe in the book of Revelation?
Yes.

[RandomGuy]

Anybody want me to keep marching through the family tree of rattus?

I found a bunch of wonderful fossil pictures, and read a bunch more about it.

I guess, Avante, if you really wanted to know, you could have done the same thing. None of the stuff I found was hard to find, nor particularly difficult, I thought.

Here is an interesting excerpt from a paper on early Muroidea
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13358-011-0038-z#page-1

YOu can find pictures of the fossils of early types of muroidea here, mentioned in the above study:
http://www.authormapper.com/search.aspx?val=journal%3ASwiss+Journal+of+Palaeon tology&size=20&P=2

[SnakeBoy]

Ah, you are trying for the "gotcha" moment concerning abiogenesis, which is different from evolution, per se.


Nope

[SnakeBoy]

You're playing with semantics.

"why" presupposes a purpose.

If there's no purpose, there's no "why". Only "how".

The question of why has been asked since the dawn of Man. You are pretending it hasn't and yet you take issue with me pointing it out. Why?

[RandomGuy]

Yes.

Why?

There are lots of other books out there by God.

Guru Granth Sahib

http://www.harisingh.com/Images/hssggs4.jpg

How do you know you aren't making God angry by not following its teachings?

[cantthinkofanything]

Anybody want me to keep marching through the family tree of rattus?


no, I'm good. unless you're going to rank the "stages" by how fast they are.

[Blake]

Yes.

Revelation 21 talks very clearly about heaven and hell.

....those two things you said you don't believe in.

[RandomGuy]

Nope

My apologies.

Why?

It happened.

Does life's origin need a reason?

We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.

[RD2191]

Why?

There are lots of other books out there by God.

Guru Granth Sahib

http://www.harisingh.com/Images/hssggs4.jpg

How do you know you aren't making God angry by not following its teachings?
I really don't care if I am. I only believe in one God and that is the God of the Bible. If you want to know why then that is a very long answer. Basically prophecy, the laws it teaches, I believe in the principles, the overall message. Many reasons. Faith also of course.

[Blake]

The question of why has been asked since the dawn of Man. You are pretending it hasn't and yet you take issue with me pointing it out. Why?


The only reason anyone asks why is because they believe in a creator.

If you don't believe in a spaghetti monster, then there's no why.

[cantthinkofanything]

My apologies.

Why?

It happened.

Does life's origin need a reason?

We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.

word

"There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power or our will."Epictetus

[RandomGuy]

I said the question of why is the hardest question to answer and science and atheist pretend that the question doesn't exist. You took issue with me saying "pretending" so I am asking you why you exist and you are pretending.

I don't pretend any question doesn't exist.

Honestly "why" is a fun question. Atheists get to decide for themselves, "why".

My answer to my own existence is to raise two wonderful, intelligent, curious, polite, and conscientious children, and to learn as much as possible about the world as I can. I would like to leave the world a better place than when I got here.

[RD2191]

Revelation 21 talks very clearly about heaven and hell.

....those two things you said you don't believe in.
What? Revelation 21 is talking about Gods new Kingdom that will be established. New heavens and a new earth.

[RandomGuy]

The only reason anyone asks why is because they believe in a creator.

If you don't believe in a spaghetti monster, then there's no why.

Not necessarily.

You get to decide why you live your life, and what you do with it. That becomes the "why".

Why do you exist, in that sense? What do you want to do?

Not saying you have to pick anything. "nothing really" is just as valid, I suppose, but I like to think that the most rewarding things in life is living for something outside your own limited, and brief existence. I think we need that, and that need is partly why people invented religions.

[RD2191]

And I never said I did not believe in Heaven, I said I don't believe a person goes to heaven when they die.

[RandomGuy]

I really don't care if I am. I only believe in one God and that is the God of the Bible. If you want to know why then that is a very long answer. Basically prophecy, the laws it teaches, I believe in the principles, the overall message. Many reasons. Faith also of course.

Why the bible and nothing else? Why is the bible more valid than the prophecies of the Granth Sahib?

How can you know that, if you have never read it?

[RandomGuy]

And on that note... gotta go.

[SnakeBoy]

My apologies.

Why?

It happened.

Does life's origin need a reason?

We exist because... we do. I'm fine with that.

So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

Blake is doing the same thing but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.

[RandomGuy]

So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

Blake is also but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.

I am not disregarding anything, but keep trying for the strawman, if it makes you happy.

You will have to elucidate what specifically you want answered if you want an answer.

Again, you are moving to the argument from ignorance, despite what you think you are doing.

Flesh out your "why" and I will be happy to dissect it, and demonstrate that more clearly.

[RD2191]

Why the bible and nothing else? Why is the bible more valid than the prophecies of the Granth Sahib?

How can you know that, if you have never read it?
I have no interest in reading it, as I said before, I am satisfied with the Bible and its teaching/message. If one day I am not, I will look elsewhere.

[Blake]

And I never said I did not believe in Heaven, I said I don't believe a person goes to heaven when they die.

chore.

[Blake]

So you are disregarding the question of why. I'm fine with that.

Blake is doing the same thing but he doesn't want anyone to point it out.

Since you believe in God, answer why God exists

And I thought I made it clear how I'm disregarding your question.

[cantthinkofanything]

Since you believe in God, answer why God exists

why does gravity exist?

[Blake]

why does gravity exist?

Cause God's purpose is that we not fly off into outer space

[SnakeBoy]

I am not disregarding anything, but keep trying for the strawman, if it makes you happy.

You will have to elucidate what specifically you want answered if you want an answer.

Again, you are moving to the argument from ignorance, despite what you think you are doing.

Flesh out your "why" and I will be happy to dissect it, and demonstrate that more clearly.

I don't have to elucidate anything. Why is a question that exists. You must be pretending when you say there is no why? because clearly you have not only asked that question yourself but answered it for yourself (raising kids, improving the world yada yada).

Although if you can answer my previous question about why it was advantageous for all higher forms of life to lose the ability to photosynthesize light, that would be cool. Higher organisms that retained the ability to be both autotrophic and heterotrophic should have a great advantage over those that are only heterotrophic, yet they don't exist.

[SnakeBoy]

Since you believe in God, answer why God exists


I don't know, but it is a question. I won't pretend it isn't.

[Avante]

How sad is it to watch these pitiful atheists trying their hardest to justify their stupidity, hahahahaha!!!!!!! The hell with those 10 billion churchs out there, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

[ohmwrecker]

Jesus has a lot of churches. The Eagles sold a lot of records.

[RD2191]

Jesus has a lot of churches. The Eagles sold a lot of records.
:wakeup

[ohmwrecker]

There are more muslims than christians. So islam is better because it's more popular.

[ChumpDumper]

There are more muslims than christians. So islam is better because it's more popular.
That's it.

Islam wins.

[Avante]

There are more muslims than christians. So islam is better because it's more popular.

You sure about that?

[xmas1997]

[h=2]Ignore the Contradictions


This is Christian dogma.


xmas:
dog·ma noun \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
: a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted
: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization

You quoted Avante and said this was "Christian dogma".
And then when I disputed it you gave me this "generalized" definition of "dogma", but that is much different than Christian dogma as you shall see.

First off your definition applies to all religions, not just Christianity.
But it is still a good starting place.

There are many "denominations" within the umbrella term of Christianity, the largest of which are: Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Protestantism.
Within Protestantism are: Lutherans, Protestants, Methodists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, and Baptists, etc.
Within Baptists are: Disciples of Christ, Churches of Christ, Evangelical Christian Chrs. and others.
And there are what I call the "fringe" Christian denominations such as: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, nondenominationals, and Holy Rollers, etc.

All of these denominations have their own particular sets of dogma and/or more likely "doctrines containing dogma", and for the most part do not agree with each other except on a few select sets of "commonly shared dogma".

Commonly shared Christian dogma
1. belief in God the Father, the Son of God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
2. God is eternal, always existed, holy, sinless, and does not lie.
3. the Incarnation - the Son of God became flesh.
4. Baptism - forgiveness of original sin.
5. the Resurrection - the Son of God died for the sins of mankind and came back to life so that we might receive eternal life with the Father.
6. the Ascension - the resurrected Jesus Christ was taken up to heaven in His resurrected body.
7. the Transfiguration -where Jesus Christ is "shown physically" to be the Son of God.

Everything else, including the Bible is hotly contested and thus does not fall under the Common Christian dogma umbrella.

You later quoted something about one of the Ten Commandments, but even those are not all agreed on by all the denominations because Biblical interpretaions vary so widely from sect to sect within Christianity..
For example: Protestants believe as dogma "sola scriptura" - that the Bible is necessary for their salvation and holiness.
Whereas the Anglicans and Methodists believe as dogma "prima scriptura" - where the Bible is "illumined" by tradition, reason, and experience.

Some sects believe in total strict literalism such as many of the Baptists and some of the "fringe" sects mentioned above like the Jehovah Witnesses and Pentecostals, etc., but this is different than "dogma" in that it is "doctrine" which may or may not include dogma, while the Mormons, SDAs, etc. while accepting as dogma the seven mentioned above, also have another "book" they believe as dogma or doctrine along with the bible.

So when you consider all this and attempt to get a "Christian worldview" you must consider more than just one denominations dogmas, because it is inclusive in that it is the framework of ideas, dogmas, creeds, and beliefs that Christians interpret and interact with the world.

Whereas the "Biblical worldview" is much the same with one major difference, it views life through the "lens" of God's Word, the Bible, and that it is inspired, inerrant, and infallible.
Not all the denominations subscribe to this Biblical worldview in the same way or degree.

So Christian dogma, and especially doctrine, is widely varied, hotly contested, interpreted in many different ways, and very little is commonly agreed upon, yet the seven that are agreed on are considered true principals that do not change.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually rob gave a great real-life example of dogma that ignores the contradictions.

One of the biggest of all: God loves you. He's gonna kill you.

[RD2191]

Actually rob gave a great real-life example of dogma that ignores the contradictions.

One of the biggest of all: God loves you. He's gonna kill you.
God loves you but he hates sinners. So yes, sinners who do not repent will die.

[ChumpDumper]

God loves you but he hates sinners. So yes, sinners who do not repent will die.
There you have it.

[ohmwrecker]

That's it.

Islam wins.

Jesus makes more money though . . . gets all the chicks.

[xmas1997]

Actually rob gave a great real-life example of dogma that ignores the contradictions.

One of the biggest of all: God loves you. He's gonna kill you.


God loves you but he hates sinners. So yes, sinners who do not repent will die.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say I think this refers to keeping our "sentience" after death, those who sin (we all do) but do not repent, will lose their sentience after death, thus no everlasting life. That is my best guess.

But IMHO as long as you do God's work, live your life in a good way and do unto others as you would have them do unto you, even if you do not believe in a God, I think you will also gain everlasting life after death.

[cantthinkofanything]

Cause God's purpose is that we not fly off into outer space

So...you do believe in gravity right?

[xmas1997]

There are lots of other books out there by God. Guru Granth Sahib

I agree with you completely. There are many such books such as the Torah and the Kabala, to name a couple more.

[ChumpDumper]

I am going to go out on a limb here and say I think this refers to keeping our "sentience" after death, those who sin (we all do) but do not repent, will lose their sentience after death, thus no everlasting life. That is my best guess.

But IMHO as long as you do God's work, live your life in a good way and do unto others as you would have them do unto you, even if you do not believe in a God, I think you will also gain everlasting life after death.No, that is not what rob said.

Don't speak for him when he already did. That's arrogant.

[xmas1997]

There are more muslims than christians. So islam is better because it's more popular.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about!

The world's 20 largest religions and their number of believers are:

Christianity (2.1 billion)
Islam (1.3 billion)
Nonreligious (Secular/Agnostic/Atheist) (1.1 billion)
Hinduism (900 million)
Chinese traditional religion (394 million)
Buddhism 376 million.
Primal-indigenous (300 million)

https://www.google.com/search?q=most+populated+religions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

[xmas1997]

That's it.

Islam wins.

Wrong again, wise acre.

[Shastafarian]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about!

The world's 20 largest religions and their number of believers are:

Christianity (2.1 billion)
Islam (1.3 billion)
Nonreligious (Secular/Agnostic/Atheist) (1.1 billion)
Hinduism (900 million)
Chinese traditional religion (394 million)
Buddhism 376 million.
Primal-indigenous (300 million)

https://www.google.com/search?q=most+populated+religions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
Yeah but at least half of those are like Rob ie not true christians.

[ohmwrecker]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about!

Being accurate wasn't really my point. I guarantee you that there are more muslims in christian countries than there are christians in muslim countries.

[ohmwrecker]

Wrong again, wise acre.

You kind set yourself up for trolling, don't ya?

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong again, wise acre.It's always a contest with you.

[xmas1997]

No, that is not what rob said.

Don't speak for him when he already did. That's arrogant.

Oh, all pissed off, are we?
:lol
Don't get your bowels in an uproar!
:lmao
We are all free on this message board to make any comment we want, or do you not understand that?
:rollin
You might want to in the future take your own advice, Mr. hypocrite!

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, all pissed off, are we?
:lol
Don't get your bowels in an uproar!
:lmao
We are all free on this message board to make any comment we want, or do you not understand that?
:rollin
You might want to in the future take your own advice, Mr. hypocrite!lol shitting yourself with emoticons.

[ohmwrecker]

Yeah but at least half of those are like Rob ie not true christians.

50% is a conservative estimate.

[ohmwrecker]

Oh, all pissed off, are we?
:lol
Don't get your bowels in an uproar!
:lmao
We are all free on this message board to make any comment we want, or do you not understand that?
:rollin
You might want to in the future take your own advice, Mr. hypocrite!

What a shining example of god's glory you are!