Evolution...?

[RandomGuy]

Should say Father Georges Edward Lemaitre tbh. Theory was rejected for decades by science as an foolish attempt to inject religion into science.

If the only evidence supporting it was bunk, that should have been the way it was treated.

The time to start accepting a theory is when there is evidence for it, not before. The only exception to this is religion, which approaches things the other way around.

[RandomGuy]

8r-e2NDSTuE

[mouse]

The time to start accepting a theory is when there is evidence for it, not before. The only exception to this is religion, which approaches things the other way around.

Wheres your evidence?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02210/evo2_2210436b.jpg

[Avante]

All that above and it's STILL...

Only a total moron would think we all came from little sea things.

Hmmmm? Another 40 plus page thread by..me, that's gotta be some record.

[Avante]

It really is funny how we can have....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and we got all this. That is believable?

Many millions of years ago some sea critters crawled out of the abyss and......cows, spiders, crows, humans, eagles, ants etc etc etc all came out of it. That is believable?

That is as hard to buy as....some Master Designer designed all this.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxrxnPG05SU

[Avante]

How did we get all those different kinds of spiders?

I challenge anyone to explain how that came about without sending me to some link.

[boutons_deux]

How did we get all those different kinds of spiders?

I challenge anyone to explain how that came about without sending me to some link.

:lol

Same way we got all those VERY different looking, very different sounding humans: God made every single one of them while not getting his hands or flowing white robe dirty or getting any biological bits stuck in that beautiful Duck Dynasty beard or girly man hippy hairdo.

OK, maybe he had some help from a few angels who were good with their hands.

[xmas1997]

:lol

Same way we got all those VERY different looking, very different sounding humans: God made every single one of them while not getting his hands or flowing white robe dirty or getting any biological bits stuck in that beautiful Duck Dynasty beard or girly man hippy hairdo.

OK, maybe he had some help from a few angels who were good with their hands.

:lmao

Excellent take.

[spurraider21]

We have toy poodles and Maltese, but also Rottweilers, commodores, and pitbulls

avante did god make all those? Or do you know the history of dogs?

[Avante]

We have toy poodles and Maltese, but also Rottweilers, commodores, and pitbulls

avante did god make all those? Or do you know the history of dogs?

Why would He have a problem with something that simple? What's way out there is....dogs, cats, rats, bats all came from little sea creatures, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Why would He have a problem with something that simple? What's way out there is....dogs, cats, rats, bats all came from little sea creatures, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't answer my question

[Avante]

You didn't answer my question

Sure I did.

[spurraider21]

I asked if you knew how we got all the different breeds of dogs.

Do you know the history of dogs?

[Avante]

A couple little sea things crawled out of the abyss on the same beach at the same time and wouldn't ya know it a male and a female so they mate and we get a couple other litt......anyway, after millions of years....dogs.

Close?

[spurraider21]

A couple little sea things crawled out of the abyss on the same beach at the same time and wouldn't ya know it a male and a female so they mate and we get a couple other litt......anyway, after millions of years....dogs.

Close?
You could have just said "no. I don't know the history of dogs"

that would have been sufficient

[Avante]

You could have just said "no. I don't know the history of dogs"

that would have been sufficient

We all know the history of dogs little guy.

[spurraider21]

We all know the history of dogs little guy.
you sure don't seem like you do

[SupremeGuy]

Some of you guys would really benefit from taking a class on evolutionary theory, tbh.

[RD2191]

I don't understand how anyone can believe in Evolution. How does anyone look at another person and conclude that they were created/came to exist by chance or no reason at all. Just a random occurrence not seen anywhere else in the observable universe. Let's say you're walking down the street and find an iphone. Let's say you've never seen this technology before. The first thing that pops in your head is this piece of technology created itself/happened randomly? I just don't see it that way. And I don't see how anyone can honestly think that way.

[Avante]

you sure don't seem like you do

Boom!
http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/origin_dogs.shtml

[Avante]

I don't understand how anyone can believe in Evolution. How does anyone look at another person and conclude that they were created/came to exist by chance or no reason at all. Just a random occurrence not seen anywhere else in the observable universe. Let's say you're walking down the street and find an iphone. Let's say you've never seen this technology before. The first thing that pops in your head is this piece of technology created itself/happened randomly? I just don't see it that way. And I don't see how anyone can honestly think that way.

Where are all those stages of evolution? Where are all those Eagles before we got todays Eagle? And while we'll read....Dogs came from the wolf. we don't get anything really believable about how we came up with all the different kinds of dogs.

I don't care if 100 billion goes by ya can't change a fish into a bird.

[spurraider21]

Boom!
http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/origin_dogs.shtml
so you asked somebody to explain spiders without a link, and yet here you are using a link to explain dogs. kudos

[spurraider21]

I don't understand how anyone can believe in Evolution. How does anyone look at another person and conclude that they were created/came to exist by chance or no reason at all. Just a random occurrence not seen anywhere else in the observable universe. Let's say you're walking down the street and find an iphone. Let's say you've never seen this technology before. The first thing that pops in your head is this piece of technology created itself/happened randomly? I just don't see it that way. And I don't see how anyone can honestly think that way.
the only reason the theory of evolution came about was a way to explain the evidence we have. that's all theories are.

when we see evidence, or phenomena, a theory is our attempt to make sense of it in a rational way. when fossils showed us just how many species of animals there were and are no longer, and when we see just how diverse life is, a rational attempt to explain it is that new species can arise. especially when we can sort of draw lines/branches from existing animals today. we can see humans are closer to apes than they are to other mammals like wild cats. but we can see how dogs, wolves, foxes are similar.

other evidence has arisen, such as genetic mapping.

a misconception on the scientific community in general is that they invent a theory, and then go out and look for evidence in an effort to confirm the theory. it actually works the other way around. all theories (at least when talking about scientific theory) are results of evidence. when people look at older scientific theories and laugh at how they have been proven to be wrong, that's not a knock of science at all. in fact its a compliment. in light of new evidence, it is only reasonable for the theory to change.

[Avante]

the only reason the theory of evolution came about was a way to explain the evidence we have. that's all theories are.

when we see evidence, or phenomena, a theory is our attempt to make sense of it in a rational way. when fossils showed us just how many species of animals there were and are no longer, and when we see just how diverse life is, a rational attempt to explain it is that new species can arise. especially when we can sort of draw lines/branches from existing animals today. we can see humans are closer to apes than they are to other mammals like wild cats. but we can see how dogs, wolves, foxes are similar.

other evidence has arisen, such as genetic mapping.

a misconception on the scientific community in general is that they invent a theory, and then go out and look for evidence in an effort to confirm the theory. it actually works the other way around. all theories (at least when talking about scientific theory) are results of evidence. when people look at older scientific theories and laugh at how they have been proven to be wrong, that's not a knock of science at all. in fact its a compliment. in light of new evidence, it is only reasonable for the theory to change.

Why do you constsntly do that? Dude, stop acting like nobody knows all that stuff, ok?

Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

so you asked somebody to explain spiders without a link, and yet here you are using a link to explain dogs. kudos

Why it explained the dog it doesn't tell us how we came up with all the different kinds of dogs.

[spurraider21]

robdiaz to further illustrate, look at how the model of the atom has changed so drastically over time...

1. this was John Dalton's model of the atom (basically the same as what Democritus had proposed years ago). it was just considered to be a small, indivisible unit. that's all they knew about it.

http://everythingscience.co.za/grade-10/04-the-atom/pspictures/46426eb0ac77e5495b392264722e54fc.png


2. Through experimentation, JJ Watson "discovered" the electron. he didn't actually see them (we still to this day can't really see electrons) but he knew they existed. he proposed this model which at the time was the best theory and was thus accepted. he basically said there were a few tangible electrons, and just a "soup" of positive charge to make the whole unit neutral.

http://everythingscience.co.za/grade-10/04-the-atom/pspictures/1ac2aae913b145058e4dcad3b6866dac.png


3. Ernest Rutherford in his famous gold foil experiment was able to demonstrate that the positive charge of an atom was highly concentrated into a center nucleus. This was the first time anybody proposed the idea of a nucleus. So he used Thompson's model and adapted it to incorporate a nucleus.

http://everythingscience.co.za/grade-10/04-the-atom/pspictures/d8fd97aa252e29230ef9cd896140fcd9.png


4. the next big stepping Neils Bohr's model, who by studying emitted photons determined that electrons orbit at varying levels on energy/distance from the nucleus, instead of just a seemingly random swirl like the previous model.

http://everythingscience.co.za/grade-10/04-the-atom/pspictures/274900b09cb83a3a1c1773eef4ec6439.png


and even this has changed where rather than electrons occupying simple orbitals, its more of an electron cloud at which point an electron can occupy any space of that "cloud."



tl;dr... scientific theory is completely based on evidence, and with introduction of new evidence, the accepted theory will change. speciation and evolution are currently the best working theory we have that explains the diversity of life on earth, and is a result of many pieces of evidence left behind.

[spurraider21]

Why do you constsntly do that? Dude, stop acting like nobody knows all that stuff, ok?

Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~
you keep saying "everybody knows this stuff" and then every post you vomit out demonstrates the exact opposite

[Avante]

you keep saying "everybody knows this stuff" and then every post you vomit out demonstrates the exact opposite

Dude, it takes an essay to really delve into this shit and you know it. I'm not into that. We all know about evoution and the big bang and all that stuff, come on guy.

I don't know about you shorty.

[spurraider21]

Why it explained the dog it doesn't tell us how we came up with all the different kinds of dogs.
how did we get from this...

http://cdn4.sci-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/image_90.jpg


to all these different things?

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34100000/-3-boo-and-buddy-34121109-403-403.jpg

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images22/KomondorSandMeadowFarmIbisEncore.jpg

http://img3.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/465/media/images/Bulldog_915726.jpg

http://www.adoodpt.com/adpics_new/b97afb722d464841ea99f0c090319365.jpg

[spurraider21]

and all this in a span of a maximum estimate of about 32,000 years!

imagine if those differences doubled. tripled. multiplied TENFOLD. what about 100 fold. how different would they get?

[RD2191]

I'm not going to read all that. I understand the logic behind it. Sort of. I still don't see how it leads to it all happening randomly though. I could take the iphone and a analyze/study it for 20+ years and all it would do is lead me to a creator.

[Avante]

how did we get from this...

http://cdn4.sci-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/image_90.jpg


to all these different things?

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34100000/-3-boo-and-buddy-34121109-403-403.jpg

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images22/KomondorSandMeadowFarmIbisEncore.jpg

http://img3.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/465/media/images/Bulldog_915726.jpg

http://www.adoodpt.com/adpics_new/b97afb722d464841ea99f0c090319365.jpg

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/dog2.htm

[spurraider21]

so you are going to spam links that you haven't even read instead of answering the questions or accepting that you don't know.

ok, then i'm done here

[Avante]

so you are going to spam links that you haven't even read instead of answering the questions or accepting that you don't know.

ok, then i'm done here

Little man, all it takes is a few minutes of reading to know anything, ok? Stop acting stupid, alright?

Talk to me about that 1965 Southen U track team with all those great sprinters. Right now ya can't, but inside 10 minutes you'd know all about it.

So cool all this ridiculous "you don't know"...ok?

[spurraider21]

i dont know about sprinting. unlike you i'm not going to pretend i know about it and spam links i've never read

[Avante]

i dont know about sprinting. unlike you i'm not going to pretend i know about it and spam links i've never read

You aren't getting it as usual.

Who gives a damn about where the dog came from? BUT....if I ever did need to know it would take me a mere seconds to find out. You getting it now? I have never thought about where did dogs come from, ya see......like you and sprinting, I don't care.

I know nothing at all about the ballet. But by this time tiomorrow I'd know all there is to know about it, see how it works?

You try to tell us shit that we either already know or could find in a ..zoom! You're boring little fella, ok?

[spurraider21]

so you understand where dogs came from. so you can see how in a short timespan (well short relative to how long life has been around) we have seen wolves change into all these VERY different variants of dogs that we now have. now imagine those changes doubled. how different they would be. imagine it doubled again. and again. and again. and so on and so forth. it will become clearer to you where this is going

[Avante]

so you understand where dogs came from. so you can see how in a short timespan (well short relative to how long life has been around) we have seen wolves change into all these VERY different variants of dogs that we now have. now imagine those changes doubled. how different they would be. imagine it doubled again. and again. and again. and so on and so forth. it will become clearer to you where this is going

So you are trying to tell me that all that doubling will give us the St Bernard and the poodle.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! The sad thing is you really believe that.

Don't just say.....the wolf changed....ok? What do you mean the wolf changed? Why did he change? What reason did the wolf need to do anything? Well?

[spurraider21]

So you are trying to tell me that all that doubling will give us the St Bernard and the poodle.....hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! The sad thing is you really believe that.

Don't just say.....the wolf changed....ok? What do you mean the wolf changed? Why did he change? What reason did the wolf need to do anything? Well?
no pinhead. we already have the St. Bernard and the poodle. those changes have already occurred. imagine we double the time period. how much more they'll change. how much more different they'll appear.

[mouse]

spurraider21 brings up a good point.

And it's something that is part of debating Ebolution.

It's called "micro" Evolution where you can get different "variations" of the same speices.

That part of Evolution is a fact and is the reason Darwin wrote his book orgin of speices when he found many different Birds on an island that showed to evolved in order to survive ,no intelligent person on this subject would never admit living creatures don't "Evoluve" where the the problem came about is when Darwin and Science used "micro" evolution to get thier foot in the door and introduced "macro" Evolution that claims one species Evoloves into another.

You don't get an elephant from a Dog or a hippo from a cat.

But with "micro" evolution you can get a horse zebra donkey from the same speices that is were much of the unwarranted disagreement Evolves from.

[Avante]

no pinhead. we already have the St. Bernard and the poodle. those changes have already occurred. imagine we double the time period. how much more they'll change. how much more different they'll appear.

I'll try again, you can do this pinhead.

Why this need to make changes at all? Well?

If the wolf came before the dog what was the first non wolf dog? And why did it need to change?

[spurraider21]

I'll try again, you can do this pinhead.

Why this need to make changes at all? Well?

If the wolf came bfore the dog what was the first non wolf dog?
as i've said many times, there is no sudden leap.

it doesnt go: wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-and suddenly DOG-dog-dog-dog

[spurraider21]

this is why i keep saying you lack understanding on the topic. it's like discussing special effects of movies with a blind man

[Avante]

as i've said many times, there is no sudden leap.

it doesnt go: wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-and suddenly DOG-dog-dog-dog

So where are all those different stages of evolution going from one stage to the other giving us the dog? And what was the first full dog?

[Avante]

this is why i keep saying you lack understanding on the topic. it's like discussing special effects of movies with a blind man

What it is is that I know enought to know it's all shot to hell. It's a stupid theory with all kinds of huge holes in it and you know this.

There stands the wolf, ok why does it change at all? Come on tell me, why does it need to change at all, well?

[Chinook]

Wait, is the new thing in this thread that we didn't actively create the various breeds of dogs? Human selection an incredibly simple concept to understand unless you don't believe in genetics.

[spurraider21]

What it is is that I know enought to know it's all shot to hell. It's a stupid theory with all kinds of huge holes in it and you know this.

There stands the wolf, ok why does it change at all? Come on tell me, why does it need to change at all, well?
why do you need to have an appendix?

[spurraider21]

Wait, is the new thing in this thread that we didn't actively create the various breeds of dogs? Human selection an incredibly simple concept to understand unless you don't believe in genetics.
apparently

[Avante]

why do you need to have an appendix?

At some point in the evolution process we finally did go from wolf to dog, ok man, what breed of actual dog was the first?

[spurraider21]

At some point in the evolution process we finally did go from wolf to dog, ok man, what breed of actual dog was the first?
are you doubting that dogs came from wolves?

[Chinook]

are you doubting that dogs came from wolves?

That's not even appropriate to ask. Most scientists still consider dogs to be wolves. They are classified as a subspecies of wolf and not a separate species like coyotes or jackals.

[spurraider21]

That's not even appropriate to ask. Most scientists still consider dogs to be wolves. They are classified as a subspecies of wolf and not a separate species like coyotes or jackals.
i know. that's what makes his disbelief hilarious

[Avante]

are you doubting that dogs came from wolves?

Didn't I show you a site talking about that?

Ok, I'll try again?

At sometime during the evolutiuon process we did finally get an "all" dog from the wolf. What breed of dog was that first full dog?

[spurraider21]

this whole thought process of having a "first" dog is incorrect altogether. it implies its the only one of its kind and can't reproduce. this is a core concept of genetics

[Avante]

this whole thought process of having a "first" dog is incorrect altogether. it implies its the only one of its kind and can't reproduce. this is a core concept of genetics

Whoa~~~~~~~~~~

So once all the evolving was done and there stood just a dog we have no idea what breed it was?

[spurraider21]

i can't describe the color blue to a bind man. this is a hopeless conversation until you educate yourself on the topic first. seriously. read a book

[Avante]

i can't describe the color blue to a bind man. this is a hopeless conversation until you educate yourself on the topic first. seriously. read a book

Just as I thought you're full of shit.

The dog came from the wolf ok man, at some time we did get just a dog, but you have no idea what breed it was. Why?

Like I said it's a stupid theory choked full of bullshit.

[spurraider21]

:lmao

so you posted those random articles which you CLEARLY didn't read... and now you are finally telling me what it comes down to. you don't buy that dogs are descendants of wolves.

that is laughable position

[Avante]

:lmao

so you posted those random articles which you CLEARLY didn't read... and now you are finally telling me what it comes down to. you don't buy that dogs are descendants of wolves.

that is laughable position

There is no question dogs are descendants of wolves.....ok? We all get that.

But, there was a time when we had the first actual dogs. What breed were there?

Why are you struggling with this so bably?

[spurraider21]

There is no question dogs are descendants of wolves.....ok? We all get that.
very good, we're getting somewhere. lets focus on this instead of the lesser important question of the "first breed." that's not really relevant. let me ask you this avante. if you accept that all dogs are descendants of wolves, how do you think we have such diversity among dogs. how do we have big fuzzy commodores and small toy poodles? how did that happen? all from a vicious wolf


But, there was a time when we had the first actual dogs. What breed were there?
probably some breed that isn't found today. some of the oldest breeds are siberian huskies though

[spurraider21]

Like I said it's a stupid theory choked full of bullshit.
you literally just said that dogs came from wolves. what is this "bullshit theory" you are referring to here?

[Avante]

So just where did all those sea creatures come from? A...BIG BANG...gave them life? How?

[boutons_deux]

So just where did all those sea creatures come from? A...BIG BANG...gave them life? How?

:lol

[boutons_deux]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2588177/The-family-tree-DOGS-From-tiny-chihuahuas-great-danes-infographic-reveals-single-breed-related.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog

[mouse]

So just where did all those sea creatures come from? A...BIG BANG...gave them life? How?

After 12 Billion years when Science says nothing exploded 4.6 Billion years after that the earth was formed and after it cooled down for 2 billion years there was these warm pools of Liquid.....with theses wiggly creatures...


who writes this shit ? :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I know nothing at all about the ballet. But by this time tiomorrow I'd know all there is to know about it, see how it works?OK, this time tomorrow tell me all there is to know about ballet.

Go!

[ChumpDumper]

Just as I thought you're full of shit.

The dog came from the wolf ok man, at some time we did get just a dog, but you have no idea what breed it was. Why?

Like I said it's a stupid theory choked full of bullshit.What is your theory?

Post it.

[Avante]

After 12 Billion years when Science says nothing exploded 4.6 Billion years after that the earth was formed and after it cooled down for 2 billion years there was these warm pools of Liquid.....with theses wiggly creatures...


who writes this shit ? :lmao

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......the n we get fish.

[ChumpDumper]

After 12 Billion years when Science says nothing exploded 4.6 Billion years after that the earth was formed and after it cooled down for 2 billion years there was these warm pools of Liquid.....with theses wiggly creatures...


who writes this shit ? :lmao
What's your theory?

[mouse]

What's your theory?

VagAFlgTdYc

[boutons_deux]

VagAFlgTdYc

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

VagAFlgTdYcNo i asked for your theory.

No YouTubes.

Just your words.

[spurraider21]

ok, that retarded youtube talks about alien origins. how did those aliens originate?

[spurraider21]

A...BIG BANG...gave them life?
umm. no

[TeyshaBlue]

lol strawmen and youtubes....ignorance flambe.

[bigzak25]

Fuck avante.

[boutons_deux]

Complex Organic Molecules Found in Giant Gas Cloud Near Milky Way’s Galactic Center (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/09/ciomplex-organic-molecules-found-in-giant-gas-cloud-near-milky-ways-galactic-center.html)http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/09/ciomplex-organic-molecules-found-in-giant-gas-cloud-near-milky-ways-galactic-center.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyGalaxyNewsFromPlanetE arthBeyond+%28The+Daily+Galaxy+--Great+Discoveries+Channel%3A+Sci%2C+Space%2C+Tech. %29

[boutons_deux]

Origins of DNA --Shows How Life Could Have Evolved on Early Earth or Alien Planets (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/09/-origins-of-dna-shows-how-life-could-have-evolved-on-early-earth-or-alien-planets.html)
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01b7c6d7bad8970b-800wi

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/09/-origins-of-dna-shows-how-life-could-have-evolved-on-early-earth-or-alien-planets.html

[mouse]

If The Universe was really from "Big bang" theory then why are moons of Jupiter rotating in the opposite direction?

how can any object that is rotating in one direction due an explosion stop rotation and then start to spin in the entirely opposite direction?

Let alone an object the size of one of Jupiter's moons, and have the other remaining moons continue to rotate in the original direction?

not only does that not make any sense Science itself says it's not possible.

But that's the kinda shit the Big bang supporters avoid talking about

[mouse]

Fuck avante.

Dude is there something I don't know, have you two met,take me back to where it all started.

[Expert]

The topic hasn't evolved. You guys still arguing with trolls who couldn't care less where life originated.

[ohmwrecker]

It's like a primordial ooze of dumb in here.

[ChumpDumper]

If The Universe was really from "Big bang" theory then why are moons of Jupiter rotating in the opposite direction?

how can any object that is rotating in one direction due an explosion stop rotation and then start to spin in the entirely opposite direction?

Let alone an object the size of one of Jupiter's moons, and have the other remaining moons continue to rotate in the original direction?

not only does that not make any sense Science itself says it's not possible.

But that's the kinda shit the Big bang supporters avoid talking aboutScience says retrograde orbit is possible and makes sense. No sceientist ever said a moon changed from prograde to retrograde orbit at any time.

[Brazil]

If The Universe was really from "Big bang" theory then why are moons of Jupiter rotating in the opposite direction?

how can any object that is rotating in one direction due an explosion stop rotation and then start to spin in the entirely opposite direction?

Let alone an object the size of one of Jupiter's moons, and have the other remaining moons continue to rotate in the original direction?

not only does that not make any sense Science itself says it's not possible.

But that's the kinda shit the Big bang supporters avoid talking about

:lmao

that's why UFOtv is so useful to answer that kind of questions

[spurraider21]

Crofl confused about retrograde orbit.

No grasp of science, not even a middle school level

[mouse]

Science says retrograde orbit is possible and makes sense. No sceientist ever said a moon changed from prograde to retrograde orbit at any time.

You missed my point.If the spin of planets, galaxies, etc., came from the fact that the Big Bang matter was spinning when it blew up, then the conservation of angular momentum demands that all planets be spinning in the same direction. Since some planets and moons spin in a retrograde motion, the Big Bang is disproved.

[ChumpDumper]

You missed my point.If the spin of planets, galaxies, etc., came from the fact that the Big Bang matter was spinning when it blew up, then the conservation of angular momentum demands that all planets be spinning in the same direction. Since some planets and moons spin in a retrograde motion, the Big Bang is disproved.lol not at all. In fact it's so easily explained I find it especially comical that you can't comprehend it.

[mouse]

Also comets are the result of matter flying trough space after the Big Bang and yet the oldest recorded comet is around 15,000 years old how can that be given the big bang was 12 billion years ago?

In fact why would there still be comets today ?

Cue the bullshit ort cloud theory

[mouse]

lol not at all. In fact it's so easily explained I find it especially comical that you can't comprehend it.

Explaining something doesn't make it fact.

I can explain to everyone that your photo was used in the chump dumper photoshop topic does that make it a fact?

Maybe you can't comprehend science lies when it comes to the universe .

[ChumpDumper]

[b]Also comets are the result of matter flying trough space after the Big Bang and yet the oldest recorded comet is around 15,000 years old
Though comets are thought to be some of the oldest, most primitive bodies in the solar system, new research on comet Wild 2 indicates that inner solar system material was transported to the comet-forming region at least 1.7 million years after the formation of the oldest solar system solids.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100225164851.htm

lol 15,000

[ChumpDumper]

Explaining something doesn't make it fact.So Magic Jesus isn't a fact.

OK.

[mouse]

I like how Chump all of a sudden posts links from the www when he's trying to defend his bullshit comments but ignores any links we post of 9/11 or of science being wrong.

Why is it only your links are valid?

[ChumpDumper]

I like how Chump all of a sudden posts links from the www when he's trying to defend his bullshit comments but ignores any links we post of 9/11 or of science being wrong.

Why is it only your links are valid?OK, show me your link stating that the oldest comet is 15,000 years old and how they determined that number.

Then everyone can judge the validity of your link.

[spurraider21]

gravity from local sources can always alter another object's angular momentum. the retrograde argument doesn't even make sense or make anything close to a claim

[cantthinkofanything]

gravity from local sources can always alter another object's angular momentum. the retrograde argument doesn't even make sense or make anything close to a claim

I used to notice that when I peed, the urine stream seemed to gravitate back to my body slightly. Then at some point, I stopped noticing. But then sometimes, when I watch, I can make it move slightly with my mind. This is all when peeing into a toilet. Not a urinal.

[xmas1997]

gravity from local sources can always alter another object's angular momentum. the retrograde argument doesn't even make sense or make anything close to a claim

Glad to see you do know some science, and some logic, as well as the Raiders.

[spurraider21]

Glad to see you do know some science, and some logic, as well as the Raiders.
wish i could say the same

[anakha]

Glad to see you do know some science, and some logic, as well as the Raiders.


wish i could say the same

:lmao

[Leetonidas]

Mouse going full retard. At least have a grasp of what you're talking about before spewing bullshit that you can't even comprehend, which I'm sure you find on some retarded tin foil hat website and swallowed as fact :lol

[RandomGuy]

Wheres your evidence?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02210/evo2_2210436b.jpg

Physics, geology, biology, genetics.

Take a few college courses.

Start with geology:

http://www.sedonadreammaker.com/pictures/sedonageology.jpg

http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2006/06061decker/images/03lg.jpg

It forms a very good background to understand how things developed on the earth in the distant past.

Here is a rather colorful bit on how to start building up a history of a site. It is a large PDF, and some of it is in chinese, but I found it pretty cool.
http://www.geol.umd.edu/~hcui/Teaching/StratigraphicSectionHuanCui.pdf


A study of geology will show you the evidence that the earth is vastly old, as well as the beginnings of paleontology, as we find fossils in the layers of the earth, always in very predictable patterns.

These patterns have given us the introduction to phylogeny, that shows some VERY clear patterns.

With things like this:

http://love4paleontology.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/trilobite1.jpeg

Always below in deeper layers than things like this:

http://darwiniana.org/eomaiaslab.jpg

After countless hours of study and cataloging these creatures from the past you start constructing the phylogenetic "tree".

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7300/images/nature09113-f3.2.jpg


Not sure how much evidence you really require, but I haven't even gotten to genetics yet, and how all of this reinforces each other, when you start digging into the genes involved.

The study of genetics is, for me, one of the more fascinating things that support the theory of evolution.

[RandomGuy]

I could simply start putting in the links to the scientific studies if you like.

Here is one on the genetic evidence:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22705669


There are tons of books on the subject of just genetic aspects of evolution, accessible even to laymen (might get that for Christmas reading):

http://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Genetics-Concepts-Case-Studies/dp/0195168186

Here is a really good one by an author named Coyne, that I have read through a few times:

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Evolution-True-Jerry-Coyne/dp/0143116649

In the current debate about creationism and intelligent design, there is an element of the controversy that is rarely mentioned-the evidence. Yet the proof of evolution by natural selection is vast, varied, and magnificent. In this succinct and accessible summary of the facts supporting the theory of natural selection, Jerry A. Coyne dispels common misunderstandings and fears about evolution and clearly confirms the scientific truth that supports this amazing process of change. Weaving together the many threads of modern work in genetics, paleontology, geology, molecular biology, and anatomy that demonstrate the "indelible stamp" of the processes first proposed by Darwin, Why Evolution Is True does not aim to prove creationism wrong. Rather, by using irrefutable evidence, it sets out to prove evolution right.

Here is Mr. Coyne outlining some of the debate, and detailing a lot of the evidence.:
CW9G2YVtBYc

That, of course is just part of the genetic evidence. I could go on.

[RandomGuy]

It really is funny how we can have....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and we got all this. That is believable?

Many millions of years ago some sea critters crawled out of the abyss and......cows, spiders, crows, humans, eagles, ants etc etc etc all came out of it. That is believable?


It is, if you understand the evidence for it.

You don't give a shit about the truth, and clearly don't understand evolution, so why should we care about what you find believable or not?

That is what really has me confused at this point.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100225164851.htm

lol 15,000

Comets are the result of supernova debris. They should be vastly old, since they were no small part of the building blocks of our solar system.

[RandomGuy]

Just as I thought you're full of shit.

The dog came from the wolf ok man, at some time we did get just a dog, but you have no idea what breed it was. Why?

Like I said it's a stupid theory choked full of bullshit.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/38279/title/Origin-of-Domestic-Dogs/

Why should we need to find a specific breed of dog? What do you think that would prove or not?

Evolution is, essentially, the gradual change of characteristics through natural selection.

Humans have been selectively breeding the animals for millennia, and this process is anything but natural.

Given that a dogs breeding lifespan is about 7 years, you can breed through a population about 2-3 times in even the shortest ancient human lifespan. We have had plenty of time to breed and inbreed the types of traits we want.

[Avante]

It's like a primordial ooze of dumb in here.

I've never seen anyone who is an obvious idiot talk so much about smarts. It's fucking funny.

Dude, get out of under me/us and do something yourself, ok ya dumb fuck?

[Avante]

It is, if you understand the evidence for it.

You don't give a shit about the truth, and clearly don't understand evolution, so why should we care about what you find believable or not?

That is what really has me confused at this point.

Dude, stop acting as if you know the truth, ok? You don't know shit.

[RandomGuy]

Where are all those stages of evolution? Where are all those Eagles before we got todays Eagle? And while we'll read....Dogs came from the wolf. we don't get anything really believable about how we came up with all the different kinds of dogs.

I don't care if 100 billion goes by ya can't change a fish into a bird.

You can if the changes are gradual.




Fundamental to the process is genetic variation upon which selective forces can act in order for evolution to occur. This section examines the mechanisms of evolution focusing on:

Descent and the genetic differences that are heritable and passed on to the next generation;

Mutation, migration (gene flow), genetic drift, and natural selection as mechanisms of change;

The importance of genetic variation;

The random nature of genetic drift and the effects of a reduction in genetic variation;

How variation, differential reproduction, and heredity result in evolution by natural selection; and

How different species can affect each other’s evolution through coevolution.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIMechanisms.shtml


Offspring inherit traits and genes from their parents.

I assume you understand and accept this happens.

That is all you need.

Heritable traits and time.

http://hihg.med.miami.edu/code/http/modules/education/Design/Print.asp?CourseNum=1&LessonNum=3


3.1 Modes of Inheritance

Inheritance patterns describe how a disease is transmitted in families.

These patterns help to predict the recurrence risk for relatives.

In general, inheritance patterns for single gene disorders are classified based on whether they are autosomal or X-linked and whether they have a dominant or recessive pattern of inheritance. These disorders are called Mendelian disorders, after the geneticist Gregor Mendel.

.2 Autosomal Dominant Inheritance

In autosomal dominant inheritance, only one copy of a disease allele is necessary for an individual to be susceptible to expressing the phenotype.

With each pregnancy, there is a one in two (50%) chance the offspring will inherit the disease allele.

Unless a new mutation has occurred, all affected individuals will have at least one parent who carries the disease allele.

Autosomal dominant inheritance is often called vertical inheritance because of the transmission from parent to offspring.

Across a population, the proportion of affected males should be equal to the proportion of affected females.

Male-to-male transmission can be observed.

Examples of diseases with autosomal dominant inheritance include myotonic muscular dystrophy and Huntington disease.
http://hihg.med.miami.edu/code/http/modules/education/Design/images/G103020.gif


Click on the link above, for more info, I left about 80% of the lesson and material out.

[RandomGuy]

Mutations can occur spontaneously owing to several different mechanisms, including errors of DNA replication and spontaneous damage to the DNA.

Mutagens are agents that increase the frequency of mutagenesis, usually by altering the DNA.

Potentially mutagenic and carcinogenic compounds can be detected easily by mutagenesis tests with bacterial systems.

Biological repair systems eliminate many potentially mutagenic alterations in the DNA.

Cells lacking certain repair systems have higher than normal mutation rates.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21933/


We have gained a huge understanding of the process of mutation that happens.

Once you understand the mechanisms that can be clearly shown to change DNA, you now have evolution, when you have natural selection picking out traits that offer benefits, or weeding out animals that have deleterious genes.


Intraspecific Polymorphism to Interspecific Divergence: Genetics of Pigmentation in Drosophila
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/326/5952/540/F3.large.jpg
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/326/5952/540.figures-only


We have figured out what genes do what, and it is kind of not a big leap to say that if you are a moth whose species lives in a forest with trees that have white bark, and you inherit the mutations for dark coloration, your odds getting eaten before being able to reproduce go way up.

http://www.hsu.edu/uploadedImages/bachelors_degree/majors/Bachelor_of_Science/Biology/Nature_Trivia/Animals/Moths_and_Butterflies/Moths_of_Arkansas/Crambidae/grape%20leaffolder%20moth%20fg.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Dude, stop acting as if you know the truth, ok? You don't know shit.

I do. I understand the genetics, but am not by far, an expert. I understand the mechanisms and do quite a bit of reading on the subject. In order to debunk all the creationist bullshit over the decades I have learned quite a bit of actual science, and have gained a very thorough understanding of the evidence.

These concepts are not hard.

Do you accept that offspring inherit their traits from the available genetic material of their parents?

Then you accept evolution.

Do you accept that the earth is billions of years old?

Then you accept evolution.

Do you accept mutations happen?

Then you accept evolution.

Sorry, if you can't put it all together.

As I said, you don't give a shit about what is true or not. Otherwise you might bother understanding the evidence.

[RandomGuy]

You missed my point.If the spin of planets, galaxies, etc., came from the fact that the Big Bang matter was spinning when it blew up, then the conservation of angular momentum demands that all planets be spinning in the same direction. Since some planets and moons spin in a retrograde motion, the Big Bang is disproved.

That may be the dumbest thing I have read here. Seriously.

This one wins a prize.

[Avante]

That may be the dumbest thing I have read here. Seriously.

This one wins a prize.


Dumb is thinking we got DNA as complex as that is from a.....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you really this stupid?

[spurraider21]

what i find funny about avante is when somebody mentions a something about science he always responds with:

"Everybody knows that.......... OK??? Stop explaining shit that everybody here obviously here already knows~~~~~~~ SHEESH"

but then one post later he will demonstrate that he understands nothing about science.

[Avante]

what i find funny about avante is when somebody mentions a something about science he always responds with:

"Everybody knows that.......... OK??? Stop explaining shit that everybody here obviously here already knows~~~~~~~ SHEESH"

but then one post later he will demonstrate that he understands nothing about science.

Who said anything about science? Don't tell you you are also dumb enought to think we got this complex world from....BIG BANG....are you really that dumb?

[Clipper Nation]

what i find funny about avante is when somebody mentions a something about science he always responds with:

"Everybody knows that.......... OK??? Stop explaining shit that everybody here obviously here already knows~~~~~~~ SHEESH"

but then one post later he will demonstrate that he understands nothing about science.

He's like that with every topic, tbh.... for instance:

"All these dumb kids don't know shit about football.....OK???? Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"

And then he makes a list of the best Chargers running backs and leaves out Tomlinson :lol

[spurraider21]

Who said anything about science? Don't tell you you are also dumb enought to think we got this complex world from....BIG BANG....are you really that dumb?
just because you don't understand the theory... that doesn't make the theory dumb

[Avante]

He's like that with every topic, tbh.... for instance:

"All these dumb kids don't know shit about football.....OK???? Sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"

And then he makes a list of the best Chargers running backs and leaves out Tomlinson :lol

And look at al the "action" that got, just like I knew it would, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

The hell with the fact I've listed the top Charger backs before with LT.

[Avante]

just because you don't understand the theory... that doesn't make the theory dumb

So I've never read anything at all about the BIG BANG theory, rigjht? So I know...0...about it, right?

So you are telling me that that's what really happened....right?

[spurraider21]

So I've never read anything at all about the BIG BANG theory, rigjht? So I know...0...about it, right?
that would be the most logical conclusion


So you are telling me that that's what really happened....right?
i'm telling you the evidence points to the big bang. that is what scientific theory means.


for the millionth time, scientists didn't invent the idea of a big bang and then go out and try to find evidence to prove it. its completely the other way around.

^i know you'll respond to that with "I know that ~~~~sheesh" but then you will have a response that completely demonstrates the opposite

[Avante]

that would be the most logical conclusion


i'm telling you the evidence points to the big bang. that is what scientific theory means.


for the millionth time, scientists didn't invent the idea of a big bang and then go out and try to find evidence to prove it. its completely the other way around.

^i know you'll respond to that with "I know that ~~~~sheesh" but then you will have a response that completely demonstrates the opposite

So that's what a theory is............dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll try again....do..YOU... think this all came from a BIG BANG? DNA as complex as it is came from a....BANG.....right?

[spurraider21]

So that's what a theory is............dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll try again....do..YOU... think this all came from a BIG BANG? DNA as complex as it is came from a....BANG.....right?
i think with the information we have available to us now, that its the most logical conclusion

scientific theories have been wrong before, and you can bet your ass that they'll have mistakes again. but the beauty of science is the willingness to not only accept when its wrong, but actually relish in being proven wrong

[boutons_deux]

So that's what a theory is............dude, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll try again....do..YOU... think this all came from a BIG BANG? DNA as complex as it is came from a....BANG.....right?

:lol

[Avante]

i think with the information we have available to us now, that its the most logical conclusion

scientific theories have been wrong before, and you can bet your ass that they'll have mistakes again. but the beauty of science is the willingness to not only accept when its wrong, but actually relish in being proven wrong


So the egg and the sperm, DNA, the seasons, the distant from the sun, the rotation of the earth, gravity. all came about over something as crude as....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but there is no way in hell that happened and only a fool would think it did.

BANG++++......then here comes the whale, the collie. the giant Seqouia, corn, cows, fleas, parrots.......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

So the egg and the sperm, DNA, the seasons, the distant from the sun, the rotation of the earth, gravity. all came about over something as crude as....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but there is no way in hell that happened and only a fool would think it did.

BANG++++......then here comes the whale, the collie. the giant Seqouia, corn, cows, fleas, parrots.......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
what's so amusing to you about seasons, distance from the sun, rotation of objects, or gravity?

[xmas1997]

Here comes the sun,

here comes the sun,

And I say,

It's alright.

[boutons_deux]

So the egg and the sperm, DNA, the seasons, the distant from the sun, the rotation of the earth, gravity. all came about over something as crude as....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but there is no way in hell that happened and only a fool would think it did.

BANG++++......then here comes the whale, the collie. the giant Seqouia, corn, cows, fleas, parrots.......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

:lol

[mouse]

That may be the dumbest thing I have read here. Seriously.

This one wins a prize.

About time you gave me my props!

http://www.spurstalk.com/heat127.jpg

[mouse]

Comets are the result of supernova debris. They should be vastly old, since they were no small part of the building blocks of our solar system.

But they lose mass they burn out eventually nothing burns forever, they have what many call a limited life span who cares if its 15,000 years or 100,000 years they should not still be around in a "12 Billion" year old solar system what part of that do the limited minds not get?

[mouse]

Comets aside..........you guys have no answer for the earths rotation. It's not a big secret the earth slows down every year that is why we have to adjust our watches and calenders that is why you sometimes see a "leap year" it's a way for us to adjust our measure of time.

But what many limited thinkers in here fail to realize is, if the earth is really 4.6 Billion years old like the text books say then by going back just 1 Million years ago and add the rotation speed the earth once had 1 million years ago it would cause it to spin so fast nothing could survive, gravity could not keep the earth from unraveling like a spool of yard. dose anyone see the irony?
some may even call it inertia


http://www.webzeest.com/articleimages/8613985ec4_1370924207332merry-go-round.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Comets aside..........you guys have no answer for the earths rotation. It's not a big secret the earth slows down every year that is why we have to adjust our watches and calenders that is why you sometimes see a "leap year" it's a way for us to adjust our measure of time.

But what many limited thinkers in here fail to realize is, if the earth is really 4.6 Billion years old like the text books say then by going back just 1 Million years ago and add the rotation speed the earth once had 1 million years ago it would cause it to spin so fast nothing could survive, gravity could not keep the earth from unraveling like a spool of yard. dose anyone see the irony?
some may even call it inertia

:lol

the hubris! mouse excludes himself from "limited thinkers" :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Comets aside..........you guys have no answer for the earths rotation. It's not a big secret the earth slows down every year that is why we have to adjust our watches and calenders that is why you sometimes see a "leap year" it's a way for us to adjust our measure of time.

But what many limited thinkers in here fail to realize is, if the earth is really 4.6 Billion years old like the text books say then by going back just 1 Million years ago and add the rotation speed the earth once had 1 million years ago it would cause it to spin so fast nothing could survive, gravity could not keep the earth from unraveling like a spool of yard. dose anyone see the irony?
some may even call it inertia


http://www.webzeest.com/articleimages/8613985ec4_1370924207332merry-go-round.jpgShow your math work, pls.

[mouse]

You would think you could mix in at least one scientific fact or a some sort of intelligent rebuttal to my comments after every three outdated insults

Let it go already........

http://www.adpulp.com/tree_hugger.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

You would think you could mix in at least one scientific fact or a some sort of intelligent rebuttal to my comments after every three outdated insults

Let it go already........

http://www.adpulp.com/tree_hugger.jpgStill waiting for you to post s scientific fact you didn't just make up.

[mouse]

Show your math work, pls.

You don't have Goggle mutherfucker?

[boutons_deux]

You would think you could mix in at least one scientific fact or a some sort of intelligent rebuttal to my comments after every three outdated insults

Let it go already........

... yes, Mouse, Bible-thumpers, creationist/IDers, AGW deniers, all desperately waiting, desperately thirsty for scientific facts! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You don't have Goggle mutherfucker? I do not have "Goggle" -- just post where you got this idea.

Don't be afraid or angry. No need for either.

[mouse]

Show your math work, pls.

ok you want to deflect my comment with some sort of show me how large your math penis is compared to mine smack then go for it..

after all if I'm wrong by 1 second your online insult fangs will come out faster then Xmas1997 hitting the meth pipe to smack your online ass everyday,
when the truth is you should be addressing my comments. and let the readers decide who researched and who didn't

TimVp 2002

http://www.spurstalk.com/heat101.jpg






I will get you if your just 1 second off t

[ChumpDumper]

ok you want to deflect my comment with some sort of show me how large your math penis is compared to mine smack then go for it..

after all if I'm wrong by 1 second your online insult fangs will come out faster then Xmas1997 hitting the meth pipe to smack your online ass everyday,
when the truth is you should be addressing my comments. and let the readers decide who researched and who didn't

TimVp 2002

http://www.spurstalk.com/heat101.jpg






I will get you if your just 1 second off tJust post where you got this information, mouse.

Are you having trouble finding it?

Your "Goggle" not working that well?

[mouse]

... yes, Mouse, Bible-thumpers, creationist/IDers, AGW deniers, all desperately waiting, desperately thirsty for scientific facts! :lol

ok forget Science for one reply.....just you own words.....you really think your here from an explosion from nothing?

you really think GOD or Creation id the only alternative?

AD Alternative design doesn't support the bible and yet we don't believe we "Evolve" from a warm pool of liquid

that's the beauty of it....you don't have to suck Darwin's cock any more and not look like a Religious nut

http://www.neccsa.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IM0022041.gif

[ChumpDumper]

ok forget Science for one reply.....just you own words.....you really think your here from an explosion from nothing?

you really think GOD or Creation id the only alternative?

AD Alternative design doesn't support the bible and yet we don't believe we "Evolve" from a warm pool of liquid

that's the beauty of it....you don't have to suck Darwin's cock any more and not look like a Religious nut[/b]

http://www.neccsa.com/assets/images/db_images/db_IM0022041.gifSo what do you actually believe is the origin of the universe and man?

[mouse]

Just post where you got this information, mouse.

Are you having trouble finding it?

Your "Goggle" not working that well?

You couldn't take 60 seconds from your meth hit to give Slomo props tells me a lot about you

[ChumpDumper]

You couldn't take 60 seconds from your meth hit to give Slomo props tells me a lot about youJust post where you got this information, mouse.

Are you having trouble finding it?

Your "Goggle" not working that well?

[mouse]

So what do you actually believe is the origin of the universe and man?



Inside Gods balls?

Isn't that where you came from your Fathers sac? isn't your dad and your Mom your "creator"?

put down the out dated bible smack and talk common sense?

[spurraider21]

mouse when are you going to open your eyes and become exposed to the truth?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOJQPaz-qmUWY8BcxsyYuqq14Lzyh_9mW3zZLMrjW4W6cJoXPvPQ

[ChumpDumper]

Inside Gods balls?

Isn't that where you came from your Fathers sac? isn't your dad and your Mom your "creator"?

put down the out dated bible smack and talk common sense? You didn't answer the question.

So what do you actually believe is the origin of the universe and man?

[spurraider21]

You didn't answer the question.

So what do you actually believe is the origin of the universe and man?
inb4 45 minute youtube

[mouse]

mouse when are you going to open your eyes and become exposed to the truth?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOJQPaz-qmUWY8BcxsyYuqq14Lzyh_9mW3zZLMrjW4W6cJoXPvPQ

When it's in the school texts books

[mouse]

You didn't answer the question.

So what do you actually believe is the origin of the universe and man?

The Origin of the Universe was planned. You think God's can't have hobby's? This Universe is only one of many in space what make you think your special?

[mouse]

What if I answered your question would you fall to your knees and repent or fall to your knees from trying not to laugh your bladder off?

[spurraider21]

When it's in the school texts books
based on your posting history on the subject, its clear you didn't pay attention in school during those classes

[spurraider21]

The Origin of the Universe was planned. You think God's can't have hobby's? This Universe is only one of many in space what make you think your special?
if you (rightfully) think that there needs to be proof behind the big bang, why don't you think there needs to be proof of god?

[ChumpDumper]

[b]The Origin of the Universe was planned.By whom?

[mouse]

By whom?

the one's holding the blueprints. how else can you design something?

http://rs125.pbsrc.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-21/Night-at-the-ChumBury_zps0a4a7318.gif~c200

[ChumpDumper]

the one's holding the blueprints. how else can you design something?So who is that?

[silverblk mystix]

the one's holding the blueprints. how else can you design something?

http://rs125.pbsrc.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-21/Night-at-the-ChumBury_zps0a4a7318.gif~c200






:rollin:rollin:rollin ^

[mouse]

Oh Shit!

:lmao

http://rs125.pbsrc.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-21/www_zps7fc71567.jpg~c200

[RD2191]

:lol

[mouse]

Forgive the TRolls webmaster.....they knew what they posted..

http://rs125.pbsrc.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-21/passion-of-the-chump_zpsd1c80688.jpg~c200

[RandomGuy]

Dumb is thinking we got DNA as complex as that is from a.....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you really this stupid?

The big bang didn't do anything to form DNA. You are mixing and matching theories. Evolution is not a theory of abiogenesis, but is what happened afterwards.

Mutation is fully capable of adding complexity.

Polyploidy is an excellent example of that.

Consider one small stretch of DNA, with the genes for enzymes A, B, and C.

Looks like this
A
B
C

You get a duplication error and one of the genes gets copied twice, in this case, C

A
B
C
C

Normally, this simply instructs the creatures cells to make more of enzyme C. Assuming this isn't fatal, you get another generation, but this time you have a replication error, where the last C enzyme gene is corrupted, but ends up coding for enzyme D.

That gives you:
A
B
C
D

The descendant organism is now more complex than the previous ones.

This is just ONE example of how mutation can add entirely new features, or, far more often, simply modify the expression of existing ones.

That is how you end up with things like atavisms, which are fully inconsistant with intelligent design. Unless of course, you believe in the flying spaghetti monster, who deliberately made things LOOK like they evolved, and is trying to actively trick us for some unknown reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atavism

These are just the wikipedia entries for these things. If you cared what the truth and evidence actually was, you would spend some time reading basic college courses on the subject.

Evolution 101 here at Berkeley (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01)


Or listen to a series of podcasts (http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Science/Biology/Evolution-101-Podcast/18776)

or even watch one of the instructional type videos on youtube:

d_EIaHDlL6k

The fact that you haven't either means you are lazy or don't care about what the truth actually is, although I suppose both could be true.

The fact that you can't even state what the theory is correctly, and add in things outside the theory, such as the Big Bang, says pretty conclusively that you don't even understand what you are dismissing.

That to me is stupid.

[silverblk mystix]

Oh Shit!

:lmao

http://rs125.pbsrc.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-21/www_zps7fc71567.jpg~c200




:rollin:rollin

[RandomGuy]

About time you gave me my props!

http://www.spurstalk.com/heat127.jpg

You go mister man. :D

[spurraider21]

The big bang didn't do anything to form DNA. You are mixing and matching theories. Evolution is not a theory of abiogenesis, but is what happened afterwards
he's looking at it from a literal christian point of view. he sees the entirety of genesis/creation as 1 big theory. creation of the universe, the earth, life, and life as we have it now.

so naturally, he sees that any theory to the alternative would completely supplant that holistic view, and thus combines them. basically to him there are 2 theories: christian, and everything else

[RandomGuy]

But they lose mass they burn out eventually nothing burns forever, they have what many call a limited life span who cares if its 15,000 years or 100,000 years they should not still be around in a "12 Billion" year old solar system what part of that do the limited minds not get?

That might be the case if we weren't in a cloud of debris that was circling around the center of our gravity.

The sun actually "bobs" up and down as it revolves around the center of the galaxy with the other stars in our cluster.

This constant motion gently nudges and pulls things out of a very large space, constantly putting new items in long slow orbits of our star.

http://kusmos.phsx.ku.edu/~melott/waffle.jpg

[mouse]

That might be the case if we weren't in a cloud of debris that was circling around the center of our gravity.

The sun actually "bobs" up and down as it revolves around the center of the galaxy with the other stars in our cluster.

This constant motion gently nudges and pulls things out of a very large space, constantly putting new items in long slow orbits of our star.

http://kusmos.phsx.ku.edu/~melott/waffle.jpg


The mere fact you posted that pic will haunt you as I will present evidence your wrong and your just being paid to suppress.the truth

[boutons_deux]

the earth's core is cooling, tectonic plates are in constant motion, the earth rebounding up from being compressed by glaciers, the earth is ANYTHING but static.

[mouse]

the earth's core is cooling, tectonic plates are in constant motion, the earth rebounding up from being compressed by glaciers, the earth is ANYTHING but static.

how long would it take a huge fire to cool down?


Science claims 2 Billion years .

that had to be the hottest thing ever.

[ChumpDumper]

[b]how long would it take a huge fire to cool down?


Science claims 2 Billion years .

that had to be the hottest thing ever.[b]So how long do you say it will take for the earth's core to cool, given that it has been hot your entire life and for the lives of everyone before you?

[RandomGuy]

he's looking at it from a literal christian point of view. he sees the entirety of genesis/creation as 1 big theory. creation of the universe, the earth, life, and life as we have it now.

so naturally, he sees that any theory to the alternative would completely supplant that holistic view, and thus combines them. basically to him there are 2 theories: christian, and everything else

I know. Which is why I am correcting his mistakes. The only way to get at the truth is to get at what is accurate and observed.

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

Also remember, that Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments.

Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.

[spurraider21]

he's too old and stubborn, plus he's been shown to be a pathological liar on this board

[RandomGuy]

the earth's core is cooling, tectonic plates are in constant motion, the earth rebounding up from being compressed by glaciers, the earth is ANYTHING but static.

You are also forgetting the large thing moving around our planet that pulls every single atom in our planet to some small degree. That creates a LOT of friction.

[RandomGuy]

he's too old and stubborn, plus he's been shown to be a pathological liar on this board

That's fine.

I still win by being reasonable, and knowledgable.

Even if I don't change his mind, I will occasionally snag a casual reader who can see who is being reasonable and who isn't.

I win either way.

[RandomGuy]

Comets aside..........you guys have no answer for the earths rotation. It's not a big secret the earth slows down every year that is why we have to adjust our watches and calenders that is why you sometimes see a "leap year" it's a way for us to adjust our measure of time.

But what many limited thinkers in here fail to realize is, if the earth is really 4.6 Billion years old like the text books say then by going back just 1 Million years ago and add the rotation speed the earth once had 1 million years ago it would cause it to spin so fast nothing could survive, gravity could not keep the earth from unraveling like a spool of yard. dose anyone see the irony?
some may even call it inertia


http://www.webzeest.com/articleimages/8613985ec4_1370924207332merry-go-round.jpg

Another "same in the past" flawed assumption.

The rate of slowing down has not been constant.

Creationist claim #CE011
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html

Debunked, and rejected.

[mouse]

Psssst!

2001 tweeted...they want they're lame excuse back




http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/mouse-MIT.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Psssst!

2001 tweeted...they want they're lame excuse back



http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/mouse-MIT.jpg

1991 paged.

http://www.iportcommunications.com/images/pagers/epage_pager.jpg


I called them back and they said they wanted their lame fallacy back.

http://www.skepticblog.org/wp-content/uploads/Dunning-Kruger.png

[ohmwrecker]

I've never seen anyone who is an obvious idiot talk so much about smarts. It's fucking funny.

Dude, get out of under me/us and do something yourself, ok ya dumb fuck?

What are you doing that so great, btw?

[RandomGuy]

What are you doing that so great, btw?

Not much.

One can sum up most of his posts thusly:


http://www.idleidiots.com/zach/NUHUH.JPG

He asks for evidence, since he is a lazy shit and won't find it himself, then runs away when I give it to him, or goes back to that.

[RandomGuy]

Why are you telling me what RNA/DNA is, we all know what they are. That isn't the point. Regardless of what they are or are about...................how did they come about? How can something that complex just happen?

So you think they just....here we are!!! Isn't that pretty hard to buy?

For reference, here are a couple of logical fallacies.

Which one do you think you are committing?


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).


Argument from incredulity/Lack of imagination[edit]
Arguments from incredulity take the form:

P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false.
I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false; therefore P must be true.


Argument from self-knowing (auto-epistemic)[edit]
Arguments from self-knowing take the form:

If P were true then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be true.
If P were false then I would know it; in fact I do not know it; therefore P cannot be false.

[RandomGuy]

What are you doing that so great, btw?


Nobody is slow here amigo, I asked to see the evolution of the rat, so you showed me a bunch of bullshit that didn't do that. Ya see shorty there are no stages of the rat that can be proven, you do know this....right?

Question asked.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&p=7560053&viewfull=1#post7560053

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&page=23&p=7560060&viewfull=1#post7560060

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&page=23&p=7560070&viewfull=1#post7560070

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238466&page=24&p=7560118&viewfull=1#post7560118

All that got ignored.

I have done that at least one other time in this thread perhaps more.

It falls into a predictable pattern.

I could post where he actually got off his ass and tried to string more than a few sentences together. By my count he ended up committing about 9 logical fallacies, and 3 factual mistakes.

Not exactly a good track record.

[Avante]

he's too old and stubborn, plus he's been shown to be a pathological liar on this board

Why act like I/m the only one who doesn't buy into that stupid bullshit? You do know there are far more who believe in creation than evolution....right?

I don't lie ya little shit, I simply fuck with the dummies here, who cares how ya treat them?

[Avante]

I know. Which is why I am correcting his mistakes. The only way to get at the truth is to get at what is accurate and observed.

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

Also remember, that Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments.

Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.


So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

[ChumpDumper]

So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htmBecause a lot of money is riding on bolstering creationism.

[mouse]

Because a lot of money is riding on bolstering creationism.

How so?

Evolution is funded. By the state and our tax dollars pay for that unproven shit to be taught.

[mouse]

Another "same in the past" flawed assumption.


It's a fact do you not know why we have leap years?


The rate of slowing down has not been constant.

So are you saying the earth rotates faster as time goes by?


Creationist claim #CE011
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html

Debunked, and rejected.

I don't support creation.

[boutons_deux]

How so?

Evolution is funded. By the state and our tax dollars pay for that unproven shit to be taught.

Money-grubbing, WEALTHY TV/etc pastors/evangelists/hucksters DEPEND on TV/tithing for their $10Ms in revenue.

Spewing Biblical fantasies to ignorant people, who are threatened with HELL if they don't "believe"/convert/"accept Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior", is fundamental to their revenues.

"unproven shit" only in your ignorant, contrarian, worthless "unproven shit" opinion.

[mouse]

Money-grubbing, WEALTHY TV/etc pastors/evangelists/hucksters DEPEND on TV/tithing for their $10Ms in revenue.

Spewing Biblical fantasies to ignorant people, who are threatened with HELL if they don't "believe"/convert/"accept Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior", is fundamental to their revenues.

"unproven shit" only in your ignorant, contrarian, worthless "unproven shit" opinion.

But is it in the "texts books"?

You can toot your Bible Thumper hate 24/7 but stop acting like any of it belongs in the school texts books just as Darwin should be in there they are "both" based on a "Belief" that makes it a religion.

Just give up the Bible bashing for 30 minutes a day and just answer the questions I post...


Why is the oldest tree on the earth 20.000 years old? the earth is 4.6 "Billion" years old I would settle for at least a "million" year old tree.

Did you know Science have only recently found out It doesn't take millions of years for something to become petrified in fact they are going to have to "revise" the Science texts books when another researcher found DNA in a "Soft tissue" deep in a Dinosaur bone. Something Science claims you cant have after a million years let alone 25 Million years ago. (as printed as facts in the school texts books)

Does any of this sink in to the low IQ section of the Club's losing debate team?



The Debate ended years ago it's just now showing up daily.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/Alternative-Design-MIT.mp4)

[mouse]

Because a lot of money is riding on bolstering creationism.

Good to know we have a Bookie in the house, hey whats the over and under your Photoshop pics end up on my next post?

"money riding" ?

Dude really?

The sad part is you and others look at debating an issue like another MMA fight on Pay Per view..

you guys won't leave until someone Taps out, or a fighter is KO'd ...

I hate to disappoint you inexperience debtors.. A debate was meant to address a subject matter to maybe reach a compromise or somehow resolve an issue with a few "facts" !

something this forum is known to not have these days you and and your Jesus hating idiots forgot to bring in this topic Scientific Evidence....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_AD_MIT_Einstien.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/AD_MIT_Einstien.mp4)

[ChumpDumper]

Good to know we have a Bookie in the house, hey whats the over and under your Photoshop pics end up on my next post?

"money riding" ?

Dude really?

The sad part is you and others look at debating an issue like another MMA fight on Pay Per view..

you guys won't leave until someone Taps out, or a fighter is KO'd ...

I hate to disappoint you inexperience debtors.. A debate was meant to address a subject matter to maybe reach a compromise or somehow resolve an issue with a few "facts" !

something this forum is known to not have these days you and and your Jesus hating idiots forgot to bring in this topic Scientific Evidence....

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/th_AD_MIT_Einstien.mp4 (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/MIT-on-Evolution/AD_MIT_Einstien.mp4)lol angry mouse

In 2007, 84% of all adults donated some money to churches or non-profit organizations. That figure has also remained consistent in recent years.

The median amount of money donated during 2007 was $400; the mean amount was $1308. Those averages are higher than was revealed earlier in this decade, but represent a decline from the previous year. (The mean sum of donations per person in 2006 was $1348.)

The Barna study pointed out that one-third of all adults (34%) gave away $1000 or more during 2007. Nearly one-fifth (18%) had donated $100 or less.

Evangelicals Christians distinguished themselves in their generosity. More than four out of five (83%) gave at least $1000 to churches and non-profit entities during 2007, far surpassing the levels reached by any other population segment studied.

Almost two-thirds of the public (64%) donated some money to a church, synagogue or other place of worship. The median amount donated to those religious centers was $101; the mean amount was $883. Those figures were up slightly from the previous year.

In all, one-quarter of the people who gave any money to religious centers (25%) donated at least $1000. A whopping 96% of evangelicals gave money to a church in 2007; 81% of them donated at least $1000.


https://www.barna.org/barna-update/congregations/41-new-study-shows-trends-in-tithing-and-donating#.VDlhKfldWSo

Scott Thumma, professor of sociology and religion at Hartford Seminary told CNN that "the mega church on average has about $6.5 million in income a year."

"If you put together all the mega churches in the United States, that's easily several billion dollars."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/21/religion.mega.church.christian/

A little dated, but enough scientific evidence to prove my point rather eloquently.

So mouse, what is your evidence of Magic Jesus?

[spurraider21]

The rate of slowing down has not been constant.


So are you saying the earth rotates faster as time goes by?
Learn to math

[mouse]

Learn to math

Math is not a verb.

Learn to walk
Learn to eat

Those are verbs

How about you learn to debate .

[mouse]

lol angry mouse

Angry is when you yell type in all caps or beg a moderator to delete a photoshop topic.

Bold is to help separate what I said compared to what you said when you quote me like you just did above .

[Avante]

What are the odds of a .....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulting in all the things we see today that have to work in perfect concert to pull it off?

What if we were 5000 milers closer to the sun? What if the Earth didn't rotate? What if there were no nutrients in the soil to grow things? What if it never rained?

So all that came about because of a.....BIG BAND?....how can anyone with even half a brain believe something that far out there?

Hell yes all this took some Master Designer or maybe a group of them. Sure the Bible is man made and full of shit, but all this did not come about because of a giant explosion, talk about stupid, there it is.

The egg and sperm ....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mouse]

In 2007, 84% of all adults donated some money to churches or non-profit organizations. .


Maybe you should go back and read the quote of yours I was responding to.

I told you my tax dollars shouldn't have to fund evolution in the school books it's a religion what the churches get from donations is thier business stop spamming the debate with off topic material stick with the facts.



So mouse, what is your evidence of Magic Jesus?

I don't support religion the chump dumper that shares your government shill cubicle should have told you before you took over his shift

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe you should go back and read the quote of yours I was responding to.

I told you my tax dollars shouldn't have to fund evolution in the school books it's a religion what the churches get from donations is thier business stop spamming the debate with off topic material stick with the facts. I posted facts to back up my argument. You should try it sometime.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't support religion the chump dumper that shares your government shill cubicle should have told you before you took over his shift
lol angry mouse

[mouse]

I posted facts to back up my argument. You should try it sometime.

People can read your avoiding my reply and trying to change the issue.

No wonder I stopped trying to debate you.

[mouse]

lol angry mouse

I explained the reason for the bold font to help me read though your long quotes and help separate our conversatios,

Your last reply confirms what xmas1997 posted about you being a wanabee TRoll

[spurraider21]

Math is not a verb.

Learn to walk
Learn to eat

Those are verbs

How about you learn to debate .
:lol just keep trying to cover up your lack of understanding of mathematical concepts by attacking internet colloquialism

[spurraider21]

What are the odds of a .....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulting in all the things we see today that have to work in perfect concert to pull it off?
probably really slim. lets call it 1 in 100 billion. good thing there are an average of about 100 billion stars in each galaxy


What if we were 5000 milers closer to the sun? What if the Earth didn't rotate? What if there were no nutrients in the soil to grow things? What if it never rained?
then we wouldn't have life on earth as we know it. although its funny that you bring up the earth's rotation, as it is one of the pieces of evidence of a big bang (planetary rotation in general, that is)


So all that came about because of a.....BIG BAND?....how can anyone with even half a brain believe something that far out there?
i've explained the concept of scientific theory to you over and over again, you always say "everybody knows this, sheeesh~~~~" and yet here you are asking the same moronic question


Hell yes all this took some Master Designer or maybe a group of them. Sure the Bible is man made and full of shit, but all this did not come about because of a giant explosion, talk about stupid, there it is.
you seem really sure in yourself. what sort of research have you conducted? or just because you dont understand how it could have happened, you just turn to the god reasoning... just like the ancient greeks couldn't fathom what lightning was, so they said it must come from a god, Zeus.


The egg and sperm ....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the egg and sperm weren't created during the big bang, nobody here has claimed that

[Brazil]

People can read your avoiding my reply and trying to change the issue.

No wonder I stopped trying to debate you.

you are the one avoiding the debate... you throw stuff out of nowhere like this stuff is irrefutable proof of earth is not 6 B y/o or big bang could not create contrary rotations... yet someone with enough patience (:lol or being fool) refute what you are saying and... nothing... your next post is not debating the point but throwing more random stuff.


you act like a dude who knows his shit but too arrogant to explain when in fact you are a freaking retard

[ChumpDumper]

People can read your avoiding my reply and trying to change the issue.I actually stayed on the issue.

You couldn't even understand what I said in the first place.

[ChumpDumper]

I explained the reason for the bold font to help me read though your long quotes and help separate our conversatios,

Your last reply confirms what xmas1997 posted about you being a wanabee TRolllol angry mouse always resorts to making it personal with some lame ad hominem.

That's how we can tell you're angry.

[spurraider21]

I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll

[mouse]

lol angry mouse always resorts to making it personal with some lame ad hominem.

That's how we can tell you're angry.


ok I'm angry I'm like the angry black man. I have steam coming out of my ears...


WTF does that have to do with you avoiding the topic?

ok we get it you spotted an angry old man...answer the dam questions already.

[Chinook]

I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll

The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

[spurraider21]

The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mLjKI968g

[ChumpDumper]

ok I'm angry I'm like the angry black man. I have steam coming out of my ears...


WTF does that have to do with you avoiding the topic?

ok we get it you spotted an angry old man...answer the dam questions already.I dealt directly with the issue I brought up.

You just got angry and started calling names.

[mouse]

I dealt directly with the issue I brought up.

You just got angry and started calling names.

lol chump angry!


I knew you would come through.......











why?













because ....
















your............












http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krqfblspP21qzisoco1_400.jpg

[mouse]

It's simple you don't get a



http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/iphone-6-release-date.jpg



From a random explosion of nothing..

I don't care how many apes fucked 2 million years ago...

[spurraider21]

It's simple you don't get a



http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/iphone-6-release-date.jpg



From a random explosion of nothing..

I don't care how many apes fucked 2 million years ago...
what you care about is irrelevant

[Avante]

I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll

I seriously doubt mouse can do this.

Best SWAC running backs in the NFL

Walter Payton...Jackson St
Tank Younger....Grambling
Clem Daneils....Prarie View
Willie Ellison...Texas Southern

[Avante]

So where are all those stages of evolution that got us todays Blue Jay?

[ChumpDumper]

So where are all those stages of evolution that got us todays Blue Jay?So you didn't read anything about evolution.

OK.

[RandomGuy]

I know. Which is why I am correcting his mistakes. The only way to get at the truth is to get at what is accurate and observed.

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

Also remember, that Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments.

Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.




So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.


Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!

This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.

http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Logical-Fallacies-strawman-620x391.jpg

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To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?

[RandomGuy]

I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll

He is not. Mouse is incapable of mimicking another persons language and style for longer than a few posts. Avante is at least much more functionally literate than mouse will ever be.

[RandomGuy]

What are the odds of a .....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....resulting in all the things we see today that have to work in perfect concert to pull it off?

What if we were 5000 milers closer to the sun? What if the Earth didn't rotate? What if there were no nutrients in the soil to grow things? What if it never rained?

So all that came about because of a.....BIG BAND?....how can anyone with even half a brain believe something that far out there?

Hell yes all this took some Master Designer or maybe a group of them. Sure the Bible is man made and full of shit, but all this did not come about because of a giant explosion, talk about stupid, there it is.

The egg and sperm ....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://brentwhite.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/personal_incredulity.jpg

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

[Silver&Black]

The theory of evolution is not really a theory...go check remote islands in the middle of nowhere and you'll see that species on that island are different from other types on the mainlands. That fact cannot be argued with....

But...I don't understand this...and it's prob the reason why I don't think humans evolved from apes/monkeys. Dinosaurs have been on the earth a lot longer than humans have. We know this...we find their fossils all over the world. We can Carbon date them back to 60+ million years ago. (give or take a few million years) How come we've never found any fossils of the "missing links" between humans and apes? If it takes millions of years to evole....there should be countless examples of these "links" between man and ape. I've done research (prob not enough) on these missing fossils and I've read some pretty intresting articles....I just haven't read anything plausible that can alleviate my concerns. I mean it's real simple...where are all the fossils at??

Guess it's a government conspiracy....like everything else. But I will say this....ever seen Patrick Ewing? He's prob the closest thing to a "missing link" I can think of. So...it's possible.

[RandomGuy]

http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2014-08-18-Deathwish.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHA...

My new internet favs.

[spurraider21]

The theory of evolution is not really a theory...go check remote islands in the middle of nowhere and you'll see that species on that island are different from other types on the mainlands. That fact cannot be argued with....

But...I don't understand this...and it's prob the reason why I don't think humans evolved from apes/monkeys. Dinosaurs have been on the earth a lot longer than humans have. We know this...we find their fossils all over the world. We can Carbon date them back to 60+ million years ago. (give or take a few million years) How come we've never found any fossils of the "missing links" between humans and apes? If it takes millions of years to evole....there should be countless examples of these "links" between man and ape. I've done research (prob not enough) on these missing fossils and I've read some pretty intresting articles....I just haven't read anything plausible that can alleviate my concerns. I mean it's real simple...where are all the fossils at??

Guess it's a government conspiracy....like everything else. But I will say this....ever seen Patrick Ewing? He's prob the closest thing to a "missing link" I can think of. So...it's possible.
You claim evolution happens, and you know humans are relatively new and other animals were here millions of years before us. So if you don't think we are descendants of other apes, what's your personal theory?

[Silver&Black]

You claim evolution happens, and you know humans are relatively new and other animals were here millions of years before us. So if you don't think we are descendants of other apes, what's your personal theory?

It's simple...I'm a christian. I believe God created man.......Ooooh Boy...here it comes now. But that doesn't mean that evolution isn't possible. I just believe man was created by God. Now a Galapagos tortoise is another deal altogether.

BTW...why do I venture this far downstairs. I'm terrified of all you The Club/Political Forum people.

[spurraider21]

It's simple...I'm a christian. I believe God created man.......Ooooh Boy...here it comes now. But that doesn't mean that evolution isn't possible. I just believe man was created by God. Now a Galapagos tortoise is another deal altogether.

BTW...why do I venture this far downstairs. I'm terrified of all you The Club/Political Forum people.
I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?

[Silver&Black]

I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?

I'm not saying that you are trying to "ridicule" me or any other person who believes in creationism. So...if I came off that way I apologize. I'm sure you're aware...it's called "faith". Some people choose to believe in it...some people don't. I can't 100% say you're right or wrong....it's just simply what I choose to believe.

But back to my initial point...Where are all the fossils at? Have you ever researched this topic???....it's got some pretty interesting explanations. Well I find most/all of them bizarre...but again that's just me.

[spurraider21]

There are lots of fossilized remains... Homo habilis, homo erectus, etc. there are also many many species, primate and otherwise, that weren't fortunate enough to be fossilized for us to see. And the fossils we do uncover are usually isolated

[xmas1997]

I'll be really upset if I find out Avante is just a mouse troll


The real kicker will be when you find out that YOU'VE been just a mouse troll this whole time and just didn't know it.

:lmao

[Avante]

I'm not here to ridicule but there are people like mouse who just troll and people like Avante who refuse to apply intelligence to conversation.

I just don't see consistency of millions of years of evolution in other animals then... Bam. Randomly planting human beings. Just doesn't seem to fit. And that's not even accounting for genesis saying humans came what, a single day after the other animals?

Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in hell it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?

[spurraider21]

Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection.
you wouldn't know

[Avante]

you wouldn't know

I'm not the dummy who thinks...BANG~~~~~....DNA, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

Dude, "you" taking about intelligence, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[spurraider21]

I'm not the dummy who thinks...BANG~~~~~....DNA, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

Dude, "you" taking about intelligence, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
so you think people just... made it up? for no reason, with no evidence? they just decided "hmm, big bang sounds cool. lets run with it!"

your problem is that you are (admittedly) uneducated on the topic, so you really have no room to discuss it. it would be the equivalent of me telling you about how stupid your views on the blues are

[ChumpDumper]

I can't understand any of it, so it can't make sense to anyone!

[RandomGuy]

It's simple...I'm a christian. I believe God created man.......Ooooh Boy...here it comes now. But that doesn't mean that evolution isn't possible. I just believe man was created by God. Now a Galapagos tortoise is another deal altogether.

BTW...why do I venture this far downstairs. I'm terrified of all you The Club/Political Forum people.

So the being who created the universe needed to borrow a rib from Adam for the second woman? This makes sense to you?

[RandomGuy]

I know. Which is why I am correcting his mistakes. The only way to get at the truth is to get at what is accurate and observed.

Because the evidence so strongly supports evolution, the people who want to push the kinds of supernatural explanations that such holy books talk about, MUST lie about it, and distort what it says.[emphasis post-edit mine-RG]

If they were honest about it, and understood it, they and their worldview would stand no chance, which is why they are so actively dishonest.

Also remember, that Avante has been lied TO. He and Rob have been actively given false information, and really bad arguments.

Once you realize that it isn't entirely his fault, it is easier to be patient about such things. He is simply shackled by his own ignorance, and that is easily changed.

http://www.blacksteel.com/hcs/Yossie/Iron-Masters_HC.jpg

The shackles of course, are invisible, but I am simply trying to point out that they exist, and that he is holding the key.

All he has to do is learn a little. The evidence, the REAL evidence, speaks for itself.




So all those who believe some God created all this are 100% wrong and you know what really happened.....right?

Google......Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?


http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

Thank you.

The link is a case in point, and exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. My brief run through of the electrical engineer critiquing the biological sciences counted 12 factual mistakes, and two logical fallacies before I stopped trying to identify them all.


Coyne so easily goes from “guess” to “know.” Even if the fossil record showed that a particular reptile died before a particular bird, it doesn’t prove that the bird is a biological descendant of the reptile. It is an indisputable fact that Big Brown (the horse that won the 2008 Kentucky Derby) died in 2008, and President George Washington died in 1799. Does that prove that Big Brown was a biological descendant of George Washington? Of course not!

This is what is known as a strawman logical fallacy. Coyne would say nothing of the sort.

http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Logical-Fallacies-strawman-620x391.jpg

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To answer your question:

Evolution is a farce......or ...fake...or bogus...and you will find tons and tons of this sort of thing....why?

Because it gives gullible, lazy people quick links to post on message boards to make it seem like evolution is flawed. The only thing it really does though, is shows how completely ignorant creationists actually are about the evidence and theories.


Do you think it was a good critique of Coyne's book?



Anyone intelligent is not going to buy....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....then perfection. Way too many things having to work together to pull this off, noway in hell it happened because of.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Put the arth 5000 miles further away from the sun, no what? Dirt with no nutrients in it....now what? The rotation of the earth, what if it didn't rotate? So a....BANG!!!!!!!!!....caused that rotation, how?

Not really an answer to my question. Just restating something already addressed.

Do you think that you posted a good critique of Coyne's book?

[Brazil]

But back to my initial point...Where are all the fossils at? Have you ever researched this topic???....it's got some pretty interesting explanations. Well I find most/all of them bizarre...but again that's just me.

I believe you are talking about MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor between apes and humanoides).

Problem here is definition of what is a MRCA, answer is not simply find a fossil and prove that's the common ancestor.

Here a link of jornal of anatomy that explain difficulties of definition of MRCA. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409098/

The issue is not the lack of fossils, issue is how determine if the fossil is in fact THE common ancestor. But then it is not over next road block is to understand when... Scientists are using a lot of math to determine age of the common ancestor based on gene evolution for instance but you will never find an exact timing... 7M ? 8 M ?

To make it simple, by definition finding a common ancestor is trying to find a picture, a T moment when process of evolution does not stop and is very slow and to make it harder common ancestor live with his descendants. There is no... "hey now a child became comon ancestor and his descendants will be apes or humanoides"

[Avante]

So there were just gases and rocks floating around out there, hmmmm? Then all of a sudden....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!...hmmm? Does anyone think at all? No way in hell something that chaotic could be the origins of all this. Only a total idiot wouldn't see that.

The Earth turns, how in the hell did that come about?

[ChumpDumper]

So there were just gases and rocks floating around out there, hmmmm? Then all of a sudden....BIG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!...hmmm? Does anyone think at all? No way in hell something that chaotic could be the origins of all this. Only a total idiot wouldn't see that.

The Earth turns, how in the hell did that come about?Momentum and gravity.

[Silver&Black]

So the being who created the universe needed to borrow a rib from Adam for the second woman? This makes sense to you?

It's called faith...some choose to have it...some don't.

[spurraider21]

It's called faith...some choose to have it...some don't.
he's asking if it makes sense to you. if you believe in something that doesn't make sense, its still faith so it will still fit within your paradigm

[spurraider21]

The Earth turns, how in the hell did that come about?
you ask middle school level science questions

[Avante]

you ask middle school level science questions

I must have been sick that day.

So how did a...BIG BANG!!!!!!!!...result in an earth just hanging there the perfect distance from the sun, rotating at the perfect speed.

Well?

[ChumpDumper]

I must have been sick that day.

So how did a...BIG BANG!!!!!!!!...result in an earth just hanging there the perfect distance from the sun, rotating at the perfect speed.

Well?Considering the sheer size of the universe, it was bound to happen somewhere.

[Silver&Black]

he's asking if it makes sense to you. if you believe in something that doesn't make sense, its still faith so it will still fit within your paradigm

Yes...it makes sense to me. An omnipotent being such as God would be capable of creating whatever he wants out of whatever he wants. Noah lived to the age of 500 and I belive the oldest man in the bible lived to be 969 years old. Is it strange...certainly. But could an all-powerful entity such as God be capable of such things....of course.

Listen...obviously you guys don't agree with what I believe...and that's just fine with me. I choose to believe in a higher power...and most people believe (at least on this thread) that all life evolved from a single cell organism. Well....who created this first single cell organism? So out of the "Big Bang" (in the vacuum of space)...a single cell organism was created? To me...that sounds just as crazy as you think God taking Adam's rib is.

Bottom line...things in the universe work together too perfectly (amidst all the surrounding chaos). I choose to believe a higher power is responsible...and nobody on this Earth will ever convince me otherwise. Call me stubborn if you must...I don't care.

[RandomGuy]

It's called faith...some choose to have it...some don't.

I have come to view faith as an excuse for believing in something without a good reason to.

My take on it is that if there was some creator of the universe that gave a flying shit about me worshipping it, it would make it a lot more clear that 1) it exists, and 2) why it needed to be worshipped, and how.

Trust I can do, if it is earned to some extent, but not faith.

[Silver&Black]

I have come to view faith as an excuse for believing in something without a good reason to.

My take on it is that if there was some creator of the universe that gave a flying shit about me worshipping it, it would make it a lot more clear that 1) it exists, and 2) why it needed to be worshipped, and how.

Trust I can do, if it is earned to some extent, but not faith.

Well don't believe it if you don't want to....but don't try to make me feel inferior to you or say things like "view faith as an excuse for believing in something without a good reason to" like I'm some sort of uneducated person who doesn't understand anything.

I choose to believe in God....you don't. We're never going to convice each other that our own opinions are correct. I just gave my two cents...take them however you want to. But don't say that I don't have a good reason....that's just insulting.

[Brazil]

Well don't believe it if you don't want to....but don't try to make me feel inferior to you or say things like "view faith as an excuse for believing in something without a good reason to" like I'm some sort of uneducated person who doesn't understand anything.

I choose to believe in God....you don't. We're never going to convice each other that our own opinions are correct. I just gave my two cents...take them however you want to. But don't say that I don't have a good reason....that's just insulting.

nobody is having an issue with people who have faith tbh

arguments made here to support this faith are sometimes dumb (not talking about you but in general)... why using stuff like a second grader would understand as argument... damn world is too perfect to not have been created by a god ? wtf ? what's definition of perfection ? there is no perfection just scientific laws. Probability and numbers explain how it is possible to have an earth at perfect distance of the sun. Also life can exist on extreme conditions, earth is not the only place where life can exist. The degree of complexity of humans does not make this condition perfect.

Why a bacteria on a comet would be less perfect than an humanoide ? bacteria is just less complex.

So stuff like showing a pic of an ipad saying how this can be from a big bang ? really ? that's your proof of god existence ? Take your starting point where you want, god created the conditions for a big ban happened, hell why not ? but adam and eve ?

[RandomGuy]

Well don't believe it if you don't want to....but don't try to make me feel inferior to you or say things like "view faith as an excuse for believing in something without a good reason to" like I'm some sort of uneducated person who doesn't understand anything.

I choose to believe in God....you don't. We're never going to convice each other that our own opinions are correct. I just gave my two cents...take them however you want to. But don't say that I don't have a good reason....that's just insulting.

Well, we could certainly quibble over what constitutes a "good reason".

I would not want to imply you were uneducated, just that I probably don't find your reasoning very good, because I have seen just about all the reasoning that can be offered in support of the God idea, and none of it holds water.

The big problem I have with faith, is that is makes some people reject valid science, and flat out make things up about reality.

I am always open to hearing a good reason, if you want to present what you think is one, but be ready to be told why it is logically flawed. :D

Lastly:
You seem decent and respectable, so I try to give what I get, I didn't mean to be insulting. It is hard though, to make arguments against what one thinks are silly ideas without stepping on some toes, I have come to realize that is unavoidable. My take is that if you have a belief system that can't withstand a challenge, you should seriously wonder why that is.

[Silver&Black]

Listen guys....you guys are asking me for proof when there is clearly none that I can offer. I mean....I can't pull out my cellphone and videotape God at my house. Just like I can't go back in time and confirm the existance of a big bang. It just doesn't work like that.

I've believed in God for over 20 years now....and I'll continue to believe in God for another 20 years at least.

Now...I'm going back upstairs. This thread is waaaay to complex for the likes of me. It's a lot easier to talk about how bad the Lakers suck imo.

[Brazil]

Listen guys....you guys are asking me for proof when there is clearly none that I can offer. I mean....I can't pull out my cellphone and videotape God at my house. Just like I can't go back in time and confirm the existance of a big bang. It just doesn't work like that.

I've believed in God for over 20 years now....and I'll continue to believe in God for another 20 years at least.

Now...I'm going back upstairs. This thread is waaaay to complex for the likes of me. It's a lot easier to talk about how bad the Lakers suck imo.

you asked a simple question I tried to answer tbh

hope it helped

cya in the lakers suck threads

[Avante]

Who can give me a reason why having no God, no faith in anything is the way to go? Life without a God in it is better because.........

[Silver&Black]

you asked a simple question I tried to answer tbh

hope it helped

cya in the lakers suck threads

Got no problems with the likes of you Brazil, spuraider21, or RandomGuy. And you're right...I did ask the question. And I appreciate your feedback. We just choose to believe in different things...and that's o.k.

But threads like this to me have no winners or losers....one side of the arguement cannot be either proven or disproven. Again, as long as we can all agree that the Lakers suck...you'll continue to be an internet "friend" of mine.

[Brazil]

Who can give me a reason why having no God, no faith in anything is the way to go? Life without a God in it is better because.........

Again a dumb question...

life with it is better because.... ?

[Brazil]

Got no problems with the likes of you Brazil, spuraider21, or RandomGuy. And you're right...I did ask the question. And I appreciate your feedback. We just choose to believe in different things...and that's o.k.But threads like this to me have no winners or losers....one side of the arguement cannot be either proven or disproven. Again, as long as we can all agree that the Lakers suck...you'll continue to be an internet "friend" of mine.

[ChumpDumper]

Who can give me a reason why having no God, no faith in anything is the way to go? Life without a God in it is better because.........Any answer will just get a barrage of anecdotes from you, but you never really professed any actual faith yourself -- so who cares?