Evolution...?

[RD2191]

currently yes.

Lol idiot.
Post a pic of at least one of your females. If you go first I'll post a couple of mine.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

either way, I'm smarter than you.

You believe in Bible God.

Rofl.

You believed a ring would make a commitment.

Seems like we both believe in faith. It's simply philosophy, really. What makes your opinion better than mine? What makes your opinion just? What evidence do you have that all this beauty around us wasn't made by God, but rather a big explosion of matter and particles?

[Blake]

If my child wants to believe in evolution that is his/her right as a human born with free will. I will teach them about the Bible at home. They can do with it as they wish.

Exactly.

But I bet you still don't get it.

Lol idiot.

[RD2191]

Exactly.

But I bet you still don't get it.

Lol idiot.
So you agree with an idiot? Okay.

[Brazil]

So all you have left is lol Mexico which I've never even been to?

Lol France.

:lol what you have left is calling me a faggot, trying to get me on a I have a bigger dick contest and I run 2-3 (not sure) businesses oh and my favorite one "I was also ranked #2 in my class and was reading/testing at a college level since 9th grade." :lmao

[Blake]

You believed a ring would make a commitment.

Seems like we both believe in faith. It's simply philosophy, really. What makes your opinion better than mine? What makes your opinion just? What evidence do you have that all this beauty around us wasn't made by God, but rather a big explosion of matter and particles?

As far as the Bible goes, it's easy to destroy it as contradictory garbage whose stories are clearly based on older religions such as zoroastrianism.

As far as deism goes, the problem always comes back to infinite regress.

I have no problem with an infinite multiverse theory or string theory.

[RD2191]

:lol what you have left is calling me a faggot, trying to get me on a I have a bigger dick contest and I run 2-3 (not sure) businesses oh and my favorite one "I was also ranked #2 in my class and was reading/testing at a college level since 9th grade." :lmao
I do, I do, I was. Keep laughing, I'll keep on being more successful than you. :wakeup

[xmas1997]

ok... now from starting point when god decided to create life and today (in allegorical sense 5 x thousands of human years) how things evolved ?

I think we have evolved pretty well, don't you?
Granted, we have our problems that still need to be solved or overcome, but for the most part we are progressing quite nicely.
In another thousand years hopefully that will have been accomplished.

[Blake]

So you agree with an idiot? Okay.

No, that's the point I originally made by putting my kid in a Christian school to begin with.

I knew you wouldn't get it. Fuck you're slow.

[Brazil]

I do, I do, I was. Keep laughing, I'll keep on being more successful than you. :wakeup

Did you need help to count the number of business you have ?

I'm serious I can help you out... I was quite good at math... even for a French

[RD2191]

I think we have evolved pretty well, don't you?
Granted, we have our problems that still need to be solved or overcome, but for the most part we are progressing quite nicely.
In another thousand years hopefully that will have been accomplished.
What do you mean pretty well? The world is a shithole with countless wars and people starving and dying all over the place. Not to mention diseases and tons of other illnesses. Good thing God is coming soon to fix all of that.

[xmas1997]

I do, I do, I was. Keep laughing, I'll keep on being more successful than you. :wakeup

On a side issue for a sec., are you going to the GTG this Saturday?

[RD2191]

Did you need help to count the number of business you have ?

I'm serious I can help you out... I was quite good at math... even for a French
Nope, 2-3 is good enough for me. Thanks though.

[Brazil]

I think we have evolved pretty well, don't you?
Granted, we have our problems that still need to be solved or overcome, but for the most part we are progressing quite nicely.
In another thousand years hopefully that will have been accomplished.

I'm not asking about the quality of the evolution...but about the how...

[Blake]

What do you mean pretty well? The world is a shithole with countless wars and people starving and dying all over the place. Not to mention diseases and tons of other illnesses. Good thing God is coming soon to fix all of that.

But but but it was a perfect creation.

[RD2191]

On a side issue for a sec., are you going to the GTG this Saturday?
I'm really going to try, though if you don't I'm not sure who I'll talk to or even know. SA right? I have to do some things in Hondo on Friday. Do paperwork, pick up statements, get my RV trailer ready to head up to the Panhandle, shit like that. Hopefully I can make it out though.

[RD2191]

But but but it was a perfect creation.
Free will, people can do as they choose.

[xmas1997]

What do you mean pretty well? The world is a shithole with countless wars and people starving and dying all over the place. Not to mention diseases and tons of other illnesses. Good thing God is coming soon to fix all of that.

I think it is all relative.

There was a time when all the "known" world was at war. There was another time when most of the known world was dying of the black plague.
Neither are the case today.
Thus I think we have progressed rather well considering what mankind has had to suffer through to get to this point.
I think instead of focusing on all the negatives, we should pat ourselves on the back a little and look at the positive side and encourage each other to continue to progress even more.

[RD2191]

I think it is all relative.

There was a time when all the "known" world was at war. There was another time when most of the known world was dying of the black plague.
Neither are the case today.
Thus I think we have progressed rather well considering what mankind has had to suffer through to get to this point.
I think instead of focusing on all the negatives, we should pat ourselves on the back a little and look at the positive side and encourage each other to continue to progress even more.
I agree, but the world is still in a shitty state. imo.

[Brazil]

Nope, 2-3 is good enough for me. Thanks though.

but at the end you have 2 or 3 businesses ?

[xmas1997]

I'm really going to try, though if you don't I'm not sure who I'll talk to or even know. SA right? I have to do some things in Hondo on Friday. Do paperwork, pick up statements, get my RV trailer ready to head up to the Panhandle, shit like that. Hopefully I can make it out though.

I am going to be there. Looking forward to meeting you and the others who go.

[xmas1997]

I agree, but the world is still in a shitty state. imo.

Things can always be better. I have faith things will get better and that mankind will work toward that goal.
The alternative is not worth considering IMHO.

[RD2191]

I am going to be there. Looking forward to meeting you and the others who go.
Who is all going so far?

[RD2191]

Things can always be better. I have faith things will get better and that mankind will work toward that goal.
The alternative is not worth considering IMHO.
Of course they can, but look at how long man has been governing themselves and how many times it has failed.

[RD2191]

but at the end you have 2 or 3 businesses ?
I guess I'll go with 2. Small trucking company and small auto body shop. Trying to get into income properties and such so hopefully that will be 3.

[Brazil]

I guess I'll go with 2. Small trucking company and small auto body shop. Trying to get into income properties and such so hopefully that will be 3.

good luck on the income properties

[RD2191]

good luck on the income properties
Yeah, it's hard to get started. Especially here in the Rio Grande Valley. Lots of illegals and Mexicans. Not the good come here to work Mexicans, more of the give me free benefits while I freeload off of the system Mexicans.

[Blake]

Free will, people can do as they choose.

people didn't create disease.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's hard to get started. Especially here in the Rio Grande Valley. Lots of illegals and Mexicans. Not the good come here to work Mexicans, more of the give me free benefits while I freeload off of the system Mexicans.

if the tenants are going to suck anyway, you may want to look into section 8, fwiw

[Blake]

Post a pic of at least one of your females. If you go first I'll post a couple of mine.

I don't care about you or yours.

Chances are high I'm having sex tonight. No face shots, but for the right price, I'll write lol rob on my GFs ass and send it pm to whoever wants to see it.

[RD2191]

I don't care about you or yours.

Chances are high I'm having sex tonight. No face shots, but for the right price, I'll write lol rob on my GFs ass and send it pm to whoever wants to see it.
How much you paying her? Be honest.

[RD2191]

if the tenants are going to suck anyway, you may want to look into section 8, fwiw
That's def where I'm headed.

[xmas1997]

Who is all going so far?

Not sure yet, haven't taken a poll of the two threads, but Mouse and Joechalupa for sure.
Big Al and Scottie also for sure.
Maybe SBM and a couple of others I don't know.

[Blake]

How much you paying her? Be honest.

I'd give her 50% i guess.

I doubt she'd do it for less than 5k, so I'll go 10k obo.

[RD2191]

I'd give her 50% i guess.

I doubt she'd do it for less than 5k, so I'll go 10k obo.
:lol

[xmas1997]

I don't care about you or yours.

Chances are high I'm having sex tonight. No face shots, but for the right price, I'll write lol rob on my GFs ass and send it pm to whoever wants to see it.

:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin

If you are depending on "chances" then you best give it up right now and just admit to us you are lying again.

[tlongII]

mad at a faggot french man? Lol. I get more pussy than you, I have a nicer house than you, better cars, make more money, and run 2-3 businesses. Oh yes, I'm mad at an educated atheists.

You can lol mexico all you want, never even been there. Don't give a shit about it. and lol you came from a fish.

I was also ranked #2 in my class and was reading/testing at a college level since 9th grade.

Lol France.

That was a very small class. Two people?

[RD2191]

That was a very small class. Two people?
5:pctoss

[it's me]

But then you are basing a conclusion on a tiny sample of a much greater population.

When you do that the results are going to be skewed, and you won't get an accurate statistical percentage of the truth.

Neither logic nor science works that way.

:lmao I'm not even sure that's a truth... much less a "percentage of a truth", which in my opinion is an inaccurate way of understanding truth. It is simply my opinion, of which you are very welcome to disagree with. Of course my conclusion is much more profound and developed than the stated ( reading horses crap from bible freaks here). In my opinion FAITH is dangerous, and one of many real life examples could be the FAITH a large number of people apply to believing a putrefying river is a god. You yourself believe some dude actually died and resurrected :lmao 2k years back and not only that, according to some ancient scriptures put together by some men, motherfucker is also said to be god :lol So if you in your head (sorry you freaks call it heart) think he told you to do some crazy shit, you'll most likely do it, because the fucker is all loving, but also demands obedience, and you to believe his crap without doubting, otherwise the son of a bitch will torment you for eternity:lmao

[Avante]

I'd have no problems with evolution if this were happening...

We had proof/evidence of the first stage of the goat (whatever), then the second stage, then the third stage, and on and on and until we get todays goat. Since that isn't the case how can anyone believe in evolution?

[ohmwrecker]

I'd have no problems with evolution if this were happening...

We had proof/evidence of the first stage of the goat (whatever), then the second stage, then the third stage, and on and on and until we get todays goat. Since that isn't the case how can anyone believe in evolution?

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

[Avante]

Ya might want check what the word....evolution...means.

[ohmwrecker]

Ya might want check what the word....evolution...means.

I know what it means. I don't think you do.

[Avante]

I know what it means. I don't think you do.

Let's see, hmmmm?.......we evolved.......close?

[ohmwrecker]

Let's see, hmmmm?.......we evolved.......close?

That's the theory. Yes.

[Avante]

Ok then if we evolved then there has to be stages of that....right? Sorta like a tadpole to a frog....right?

[it's me]

I know what it means. I don't think you do.

Shit... even religion has evolved adapting itself over and over again. Horus --> Mithra --> Dionysus --> Jesus ... what's next?

[ohmwrecker]

Ok then if we evolved then there has to be stages of that....right? Sorta like a tadpole to a frog....right?

Yes. Much more slowly over a very long period of time with more branches.

[Avante]

Yes. Much more slowly over a very long period of time with more branches.

I never mentioned any time line, I just talked about the different stages of evolution, so it's works exactly like I said it did.

Ok where is proof of the different stages of evolution that gave us todays goat? What did the goat look like way back when?

[ohmwrecker]

I never mentioned any time line, I just talked about the different stages of evolution, so it's works exactly like I said it did.

Ok where is proof of the different stages of evolution that gave us todays goat? What did the goat look like way back when?

Some kind of hoofed mammal I suppose.

[ChumpDumper]

I never mentioned any time line, I just talked about the different stages of evolution, so it's works exactly like I said it did.

Ok where is proof of the different stages of evolution that gave us todays goat? What did the goat look like way back when?Have you looked for that information yourself?

I predict a no answer.

[SnakeBoy]

Ok where is proof of the different stages of evolution that gave us todays goat? What did the goat look like way back when?

That's already been worked out. There was a common ancestor, then through random mutations it turned into goats, sheeps, cows, camels, and whales.

http://www.fos.auckland.ac.nz/~howardross/InspectorFoode/Tree.png

[Avante]

That's already been worked out. There was a common ancestor, then through random mutations it turned into goats, sheeps, cows, camels, and whales.

http://www.fos.auckland.ac.nz/~howardross/InspectorFoode/Tree.png


So here's this little critter that looks something similiar to a mouse. So why is there ...need...for a change? It lives in a jungle, has plenty to eat, it has a good life. So after time for no reason at all it just starts changing into something else......why?

[ChumpDumper]

So here's this little critter that looks something similiar to a mouse. So why is there ...need...for a change? It lives in a jungle, has plenty to eat, it has a good life. So after time for no reason at all it just starts changing into something else......why?Because Jesus.

Seriously, you need to explain why Jesus made everything change, because the evidence shows the changes happened.

[Avante]

Ok who can show me a picture/drawing of what a chicken looked like 10,000 years ago?

[ChumpDumper]

All you are doing here is flaunting your ignorance.

We already know you don't know shit about anything, listbot.

Now whine about me in an attempt to distract from your ignorance.

[spurraider21]

Who here observed evolution? Show of hands please.
did you observe your mother's birth?

[ChumpDumper]

Ok who can show me a picture/drawing of what a chicken looked like 10,000 years ago?Here's a 10,000 year old painting of a cat and some shit the cat caught.
http://cdn4.sci-news.com/images/2013/11/image_1529_1-Taboco.jpg

Jesus hadn't invented digital cameras yet.

[spurraider21]

http://i57.tinypic.com/k00ef5.jpg
just wanted to bump this post again

[Avante]

just wanted to bump this post again

So science has proven there is no God and evolution......right?

[ChumpDumper]

So science has proven there is no God and evolution......right?You really don't know how science works, do you?

[spurraider21]

So science has proven there is no God and evolution......right?
this applies yet again. sadly this seems to be a theme with your posts on the topic


http://i57.tinypic.com/k00ef5.jpg

[RD2191]

Here's a 10,000 year old painting of a cat and some shit the cat caught.
http://cdn4.sci-news.com/images/2013/11/image_1529_1-Taboco.jpg

Jesus hadn't invented digital cameras yet.
So after 10,000 years a cat is still a cat?:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Avante, I -- and I think the whole board -- would appreciate it if you post the scientific method as you understand it.

I feel we need a baseline to figure out what approximate mental age we should be targeting here when you demand to know what 10,000 year old chickens look like, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

So after 10,000 years a cat is still a cat?:lolSure. Species can exist relatively unchanged for that long easily.

How old do you think the earth is, rob?

[Avante]

this applies yet again. sadly this seems to be a theme with your posts on the topic


http://i57.tinypic.com/k00ef5.jpg

Hmmm?

ExcusesIf you are expecting a book with the title, Why Evolution is True to contain proof for the theory of evolution, you will be disappointed. What it really contains is excuses why evolutionists can’t prove evolution is true, why it is unreasonable to expect evolutionists to provide proof, and why you should believe in evolution anyway. Let the excuses begin!

[Avante]

Why We’ve Never Seen ItNobody has ever observed macroevolution in the laboratory or in nature. Here is his excuse for why we have not.



Further, we shouldn’t expect to see more than small changes in one or a few features of a species—what is known as microevolutionary change. Given the gradual pace of evolution, it’s unreasonable to expect to see selection transforming one “type” of plant or animal into another—so-called macroevolution—within a human lifetime. Though macroevolution is occurring today, we simply won’t be around long enough to see it. Remember that the issue is not whether macroevolutionary change happens—we already know from the fossil record that it does—but whether it was caused by natural selection, and whether natural selection can build complex features and organisms. [italics his] 2 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote2)




There is a process known as “microevolution” that really does occur. Microevolution is the variation within a species that occurs because of loss of genetic information. But he is talking about “macroevolution,” which is the creation of a new kind of living thing resulting from genetic information that previously did not exist.

[ChumpDumper]

Hmmm?

ExcusesIf you are expecting a book with the title, Why Evolution is True to contain proof for the theory of evolution, you will be disappointed. What it really contains is excuses why evolutionists can’t prove evolution is true, why it is unreasonable to expect evolutionists to provide proof, and why you should believe in evolution anyway. Let the excuses begin!Is it unreasonable to expect Christians to provide proof of magic Jesus?

What is your proof of magic Jesus?

[ChumpDumper]

Why We’ve Never Seen ItNobody has ever observed macroevolution in the laboratory or in nature. Here is his excuse for why we have not.



Further, we shouldn’t expect to see more than small changes in one or a few features of a species—what is known as microevolutionary change. Given the gradual pace of evolution, it’s unreasonable to expect to see selection transforming one “type” of plant or animal into another—so-called macroevolution—within a human lifetime. Though macroevolution is occurring today, we simply won’t be around long enough to see it. Remember that the issue is not whether macroevolutionary change happens—we already know from the fossil record that it does—but whether it was caused by natural selection, and whether natural selection can build complex features and organisms. [italics his] 2 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote2)




There is a process known as “microevolution” that really does occur. Microevolution is the variation within a species that occurs because of loss of genetic information. But he is talking about “macroevolution,” which is the creation of a new kind of living thing resulting from genetic information that previously did not exist.Are you just going to copy and paste an entire website without even the most basic understanding of the concepts you aren't trying to discuss?

Yes, yes you are.

This is spamming, Avante.

[Avante]

Although far from complete, the record of human evolution is one of the best confirmations we have of an evolutionary prediction, and is especially gratifying because the prediction was Darwin’s.
But a few caveats. We don’t (and can’t expect to) have a continuous fossil record of human ancestry. Instead, we see a tangled bush of many different species. Most of them went extinct without leaving descendants, and only one genetic lineage threaded its way through time to become modern humans. We’re not sure yet which fossil species lie along that particular thread, and which were evolutionary dead ends. The most surprising thing we’ve learned about our history is that we’ve had many close evolutionary cousins who died out without leaving descendants. It’s even possible that as many as four humanlike species lived in Africa at the same time, and maybe in the same place. Imagine the encounters that might have taken place! Did they kill one another, or try to interbreed? 6 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote6)

[ChumpDumper]

More copy/paste bads.

[Avante]

No Excuse for SexThe origin of sex is one of the hardest things for evolutionists to explain. Coyne doesn’t have an answer. As usual, he just punts.



The question of the number of sexes is a messy theoretical issue that needn’t detain us, except to note that theory shows that two sexes will evolutionarily replace mating systems involving three or more sexes: two sexes is the most robust and stable strategy.
The theory of why the two sexes have different numbers and sizes of gametes is equally messy. This condition presumably evolved from that in earlier sexually reproducing species in which the two sexes had gametes of equal size. 14 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote14)

[ChumpDumper]

[LISTBOT ACTIVATED: COPY/PASTE MODE INITIATE]

[ChumpDumper]

I predict he will just keep on pasting.

[Avante]

Why There Are No Missing LinksWe don’t find any missing links in the fossil record but, according to Coyne, we should not expect to find any.



Taking into account all of these requirements, it’s clear that the fossil record must be incomplete. … we can estimate that we have fossil evidence of only 0.1 percent to 1 percent of all species—hardly a good sample of the history of life! 4 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote4)
What should our “missing link” with apes look like? Remember that the “missing link” is the [I]single ancestral species that gave rise to modern humans on the one hand and chimpanzees on the other. It’s not reasonable to expect the discovery of that critical single species, for its identification would require a complete series of ancestor-descendant fossils on both the chimp and human lineages, series that we could trace back until they intersect at the ancestor. Except for a few marine microorganisms, such complete fossil sequences don’t exist. And our early human ancestors were large, relatively few in number compared to grazers like antelopes, and inhabited a small part of Africa under dry conditions not conducive to fossilization. Their fossils, like those of all apes and monkeys, are scarce. This resembles our problem with the evolution of birds from feathered reptiles, for whom transitional fossils are also rare. We can certainly trace the evolution of birds from feathered reptiles, but we’re not sure exactly which fossil species were the direct ancestors of modern birds.
Given all this, we can’t expect to find the single particular species that represents the “missing link” between humans and other apes. We can hope only to find its evolutionary cousins. Remember also that this common ancestor was not a chimpanzee, and probably didn’t look like either modern chimps or humans. Nevertheless, it’s likely that the “missing link” was closer in appearance to modern chimps than to modern humans. We are the odd man out in the evolution of modern apes, who all resemble one another far more than they resemble us. 5 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote5) [italics his]

[Avante]

Ok it'd like this...

Nobody, no science has ever proven shit about God/evolution. There are just as many examples of evolution being a load of bullshit as there are..oh yeah, it happened.

We will never see anyone..prove..there is no God.

I went to Google and typed in....evolution is bogus....DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tona ands tons and tons and tons of sites talking about phoney baloney it is......TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me guess, what do ..ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLL..of them know, right? Little old you know better, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

This is why no one takes Avante seriously.

Anyone: Hey Avante, let's discuss anything about the subject of the thread.

Avante: http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

[RD2191]

Avante doing some work.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok it'd like this...

Nobody, no science has ever proven shit about God/evolution. Therre are just as many examples of evolution being a losd of bullshit as there are..oh yeah, it happened.

We will never see anyone..prove..there is no God.Avante, you........will never explain.........the scientific............method.

[ChumpDumper]

Avante doing some work.How old do you think the earth is, Rob?

[RD2191]

How old do you think the earth is, Rob?
Millions and millions of years old.

[ChumpDumper]

Millions and millions of years old.How many millions of years?

[RD2191]

How many millions of years?
I don't know. However many scientists think it is.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know. However many scientists think it is.How many years do you think humans have been on the earth?

[Avante]

Avante doing some work.

It really shouldn't need any work, we did not evolve from some sea thing, only an idiot would buy that...obvious...bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

It really shouldn't need any work, we did not evolve from some sea thing, only an idiot would buy that...obvious...bullshit.Why do you say it is obvious bullshit?

Tell us in your own words.

[spurraider21]

Avante, you........will never explain.........the scientific............method.
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9ImScQGAo

[RD2191]

How many years do you think humans have been on the earth?
I really don't know. Give or take 10,000 years.

[ChumpDumper]

I really don't know. Give or take 10,000 years.Do you believe there were any human-like creatures on earth before humans?

[tlongII]

It really shouldn't need any work, we did not evolve from some sea thing, only an idiot would buy that...obvious...bullshit.

Actually it's obvious that we did. You merely need to study the fossil record to understand this.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually it's obvious that we did. You merely need to study the fossil record to understand this.Avante has a book about track and field.

[Avante]

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM

Didn't I ask you for a scientific explanation for something and got..."it would take yo long"...?

All we know is this sort of thing is what we read or been told to read. Who can't read about all this stuff?

[Shastafarian]

I really don't know. Give or take 10,000 years.

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_idaltu.shtml

Or do you not believe in modern dating methods?

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't I ask you for a scientific explanation for something and got..."it would take yo long"...?

All we know is this sort of thing is what we read or been told to read. Who can't read about all this stuff?You obviously can't.

[RD2191]

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_idaltu.shtml

Or do you not believe in modern dating methods?
I think dating methods are seriously flawed.

[RD2191]

Do you believe there were any human-like creatures on earth before humans?
Animals? Yeah, sure.

[Shastafarian]

I think dating methods are seriously flawed.

Oh ok explain why

[spurraider21]

Animals? Yeah, sure.
how long do you believe was the gap between dinosaurs or humans?

[ChumpDumper]

Animals? Yeah, sure.No, I said human like creatures.

Beings that more closely resemble humans than they would any other animal.

Do you believe those existed before humans?

[RD2191]

Oh ok explain why
Nope, Not gonna get into it with you. I have reason to believe what I believe. Look for the answers yourself.

[RD2191]

No, I said human like creatures.

Beings that more closely resemble humans than they would any other animal.

Do you believe those existed before humans?
A monkey? Ape? yeah sure.

[RD2191]

how long do you believe was the gap between dinosaurs or humans?
Never looked into it. Nor do I care.

[ChumpDumper]

A monkey? Ape? yeah sure.No, I said human like creatures.

Beings that more closely resemble humans than they would any other animal.

Do you believe those existed before humans?

[Shastafarian]

Nope, Not gonna get into it with you. I have reason to believe what I believe. Look for the answers yourself.

No thanks the burden of proof is on you for your beliefs. I'll continue to believe what is supported by science and countless scientists.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh ok explain why
http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

[Avante]

Ignore the ContradictionsThe theory of evolution is full of contradictions, resulting in debates and arguments among evolutionists. Coyne says these controversies prove how strong the theory is.



Critics of evolution seize upon these controversies, arguing that they show something is wrong with the theory of evolution itself. But this is specious. There is no dissent among serious biologists about the major claims of evolutionary theory—only about the details of how evolution occurred, and about the relative roles of various evolutionary mechanisms. Far from discrediting evolution, the “controversies” are in fact the sign of a vibrant, thriving field. What moves science forward is [sic] ignorance, debate, and the testing of alternative theories with observations and experiments. A science without controversy is a science without progress. 22 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#footnote22)




This is just amazing! There are controversies precisely because the theory is wrong. He says all the people who believe in evolution really believe in evolution (they just believe other believers in evolution are wrong). The fact that there is so much ignorance and controversy about evolution proves how true it must be. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smiley.gif
If it is true that debate about evolution promotes scientific progress, why is it that evolutionists go to court to prevent debate about evolution from being discussed in American public schools?
The more you read about evolution, written by evolutionists, the less you will believe it!

[RD2191]

No thanks the burden of proof is on you for your beliefs. I'll continue to believe what is supported by science and countless scientists.
What burden? I don't have to prove anything to you, I really don't give a shit what you believe.

[Shastafarian]

I have reason to believe what I believe.

Which is what specifically in reference to dating?

[RD2191]

No, I said human like creatures.

Beings that more closely resemble humans than they would any other animal.

Do you believe those existed before humans?
I don't know of any human like creatures besides apes/monkeys.

[Shastafarian]

What burden? I don't have to prove anything to you, I really don't give a shit what you believe.

You're right you don't have to prove anything. But obviously if you had any idea what you were talking about you'd probably want to try considering your beliefs are not widely accepted.

[ChumpDumper]

Ignore the ContradictionsThis is Christian dogma.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know of any human like creatures besides apes/monkeys.Have you just chosen to be ignorant of this or have you received a substandard education?

[RD2191]

You're right you don't have to prove anything. But obviously if you had any idea what you were talking about you'd probably want to try considering your beliefs are not widely accepted.
I really don't care what is widely accepted. It was once widely accepted that smoking was good for you. Like I said, I don't trust or believe scientists. If you choose to then more power to you.

[RD2191]

Have you just chosen to be ignorant of this or have you received a substandard education?
What are you even talking about? You mean neanderthals and shit?

[ChumpDumper]

What are you even talking about? You mean neanderthals and shit?Sure, Neanderthals and shit.

[RD2191]

Sure, Neanderthals and shit.
What about them? They're humans.

[Avante]

Evolution Is Not Happening Now

First of all, the lack of a case for evolution is clear from the fact that no one has ever seen it happen. If it were a real process, evolution should still be occurring, and there should be many "transitional" forms that we could observe. What we see instead, of course, is an array of distinct "kinds" of plants and animals with many varieties within each kind, but with very clear and -- apparently -- unbridgeable gaps between the kinds. That is, for example, there are many varieties of dogs and many varieties of cats, but no "dats" or "cogs." Such variation is often called microevolution, and these minor horizontal (or downward) changes occur fairly often, but such changes are not true "vertical" evolution.
Evolutionary geneticists have often experimented on fruit flies and other rapidly reproducing species to induce mutational changes hoping they would lead to new and better species, but these have all failed to accomplish their goal. No truly new species has ever been produced, let alone a new "basic kind."
A current leading evolutionist, Jeffrey Schwartz, professor of anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, has recently acknowledged that:
. . . it was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzhansky's claim about a new species of fruit fly, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed.1
The scientific method traditionally has required experimental observation and replication. The fact that macroevolution (as distinct from microevolution) has never been observed would seem to exclude it from the domain of true science. Even Ernst Mayr, the dean of living evolutionists, longtime professor of biology at Harvard, who has alleged that evolution is a "simple fact," nevertheless agrees that it is an "historical science" for which "laws and experiments are inappropriate techniques"2 by which to explain it. One can never actually see evolution in action.
Evolution Never Happened in the Past

Evolutionists commonly answer the above criticism by claiming that evolution goes too slowly for us to see it happening today. They used to claim that the real evidence for evolution was in the fossil record of the past, but the fact is that the billions of known fossils do not include a single unequivocal transitional form with transitional structures in the process of evolving.
Given that evolution, according to Darwin, was in a continual state of motion . . . it followed logically that the fossil record should be rife with examples of transitional forms leading from the less to the more evolved.3
Even those who believe in rapid evolution recognize that a considerable number of generations would be required for one distinct "kind" to evolve into another more complex kind. There ought, therefore, to be a considerable number of true transitional structures preserved in the fossils -- after all, there are billions of non-transitional structures there! But (with the exception of a few very doubtful creatures such as the controversial feathered dinosaurs and the alleged walking whales), they are not there.
Instead of filling in the gaps in the fossil record with so-called missing links, most paleontologists found themselves facing a situation in which there were only gaps in the fossil record, with no evidence of transformational intermediates between documented fossil species.4

[ChumpDumper]

What about them? They're humans.What is your evidence they are humans as we are humans?

Are you calling yourself the same as a Neanderthal?

[Shastafarian]

I really don't care what is widely accepted. It was once widely accepted that smoking was good for you. Like I said, I don't trust or believe scientists. If you choose to then more power to you.
So who does your thinking for you then? Religious figures? Foil hats?

[RD2191]

What is your evidence they are humans as we are humans?

Are you calling yourself the same as a Neanderthal?
You can find it on the web, I have. Not that hard.

[ChumpDumper]

The Scientific Case Against Evolution

by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.Hey Avante, in what field did Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. get his degree?

[RD2191]

So who does your thinking for you then? Religious figures? Foil hats?
Nope, and if they did then what's it to you? Who does your thinking? Scientist that are constantly wrong and make shit up to fit into their theories?

[Shastafarian]

You can find it on the web, I have. Not that hard.

just give us a link. The one I see is from something called the Institute for Creation Research...lol

[RD2191]

Hey Avante, in what field did Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. get his degree?
What is yours in?

[ChumpDumper]

You can find it on the web, I have. Not that hard.I am asking you what you believe.

Are you calling yourself the same as a Neanderthal?

Yes or no.

[RD2191]

just give us a link. The one I see is from something called the Institute for Creation Research...lol
Look for it, if you're interested you can find many.

[RD2191]

I am asking you what you believe.

Are you calling yourself the same as a Neanderthal?

Yes or no.
A human? Yeah sure.

[ChumpDumper]

What is yours in?I don't have a website trying to argue against evolution.

Tell me, Rob -- in what field did Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. get his degree?

[Shastafarian]

Nope, and if they did then what's it to you?Just trying to show anyone here how you think is all

Who does your thinking? Scientist that are constantly wrong and make shit up to fit into their theories?No I take information given to me and try to understand it and make my own decisions. That's why when I learned about dating in college I accepted that it's the best standard we have and all things being said, fairly accurate.

[ChumpDumper]

A human? Yeah sure.So you are saying you are the exact same as a Neanderthal in every way.

No exceptions.

Is this what you are saying?

[Avante]

So how come..sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo..many say evolution is bullshit?

I want one of you ...yes yes science proves that......yakyak.....to explain why we don't see all those transitonal proofs of evolution. Where is that i million yer ago, 50,000 year ago, 20,000 year ago etc etc.........rat.

[Shastafarian]

Tell me, Rob -- in what field did Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. get his degree?

I found this rather easily and :lol

[RD2191]

Just trying to show anyone here how you think is all
No I take information given to me and try to understand it and make my own decisions. That's why when I learned about dating in college I accepted that it's the best standard we have and all things being said, fairly accurate.
What thinking?

Okay.

[ChumpDumper]

So how come..sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo..many say evolution is bullshit?

I want one of you ...yes yes science proves that......yakyak.....to explain why we don't see all those transitonal proofs of evolution. Where is that i million yer ago, 50,000 year ago, 20,000 year ago etc etc.........rat.Avante, tell us why every thing that has ever died hasn't turned into a fossil.

Show us you know at least one thing in the world.

[RD2191]

So you are saying you are the exact same as a Neanderthal in every way.

No exceptions.

Is this what you are saying?
Of course not. Different times, different places, different environments, but still humans.

[RD2191]

I don't have a website trying to argue against evolution.

Tell me, Rob -- in what field did Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. get his degree?
Don't know, don't care, but I'm sure he is more qualified than you to speak on the subject.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course not. Different times, different places, different environments, but still humans.So Heidelberg Man -- human just like you with the only exceptions being the factors you stated above?

Yes or no.

[Shastafarian]

Of course not. Different times, different places, different environments, but still humans.
How do you not understand you contradict yourself here?

[RD2191]

So Heidelberg Man -- human just like you with the only exceptions being the factors you stated above?

Yes or no.
Yeah sure.

[RD2191]

How do you not understand you contradict yourself here?
Do all humans today look the same? Do they all have the same characteristics/features? My skull looks just like one from that of an aboriginal man?

[ChumpDumper]

Don't know, don't careThis is how every conversation with a creationist ends up.
http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

This is why science ultimately does a better job at describing phenomena and explaining processes. They don't give up as easily as creationists.

[Shastafarian]

What thinking?

You tell me

Why don't you trust dating methods or scientists?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah sure.Peking Man -- human just like you with the only exceptions being the factors you stated above?

Yes or no.

[Shastafarian]

Do all humans today look the same? Do they all have the same characteristics/features? My skull looks just like one from that of an aboriginal man?

:lol

So Neanderthals are what then? Homo sapiens sapiens?

[xmas1997]

This is Christian dogma.

And that statement there is pure BS, a total mis-truth, or was it merely your opinion?
If it wasn't an opinion then I need a link that it is Christian dogma.

[RD2191]

This is how every conversation with a creationist ends up.
http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

This is why science ultimately does a better job at describing phenomena and explaining processes. They don't give up as easily as creationists.
I really don't know and I really don't care. What part of that do you not understand? I do not trust scientists and I think they're full of shit. Same way some people believe the Bible is full of shit. Why is that so hard to comprehend? I could easily learn about/study the subject and become well versed in it but I simply do not care.

[RD2191]

:lol

So Neanderthals are what then? Homo sapiens sapiens?
What's funny?

Sure, if you say so.

[Shastafarian]

What's funny? your lack of understanding


Sure, if you say so.No that's what you're saying

[RD2191]

And who is giving up? Why would I study something I don't believe in? That would be a stupid and pointless thing to do. I believe God created the Earth and every living thing in it. Is that really hard to understand?

[ChumpDumper]

I really don't know and I really don't care. What part of that do you not understand? I do not trust scientists and I think they're full of shit. Same way some people believe the Bible is full of shit. Why is that so hard to comprehend? I could easily learn about/study the subject and become well versed in it but I simply do not care.http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

I understand perfectly. Thanks for your help in proving my hypothesis.

Science!

[RD2191]

your lack of understanding

No that's what you're saying
You mean your lack of understanding, correct?

[ChumpDumper]

And who is giving up? Why would I study something I don't believe in? That would be a stupid and pointless thing to do. I believe God created the Earth and every living thing in it. Is that really hard to understand?It's very easy to give up trying to understand anything and just say Magic Jesus did it. Religions persecuted and punished people who didn't give up and kept asking questions.

[Shastafarian]

You mean your lack of understanding, correct?

Not really no.

[RD2191]

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

I understand perfectly. Thanks for your help in proving my hypothesis.

Science!
No you don't. And now you're just acting stupid and claiming victory because there is no way to refute my stance. What kind of person studies something they don't believe in? Come on son, don't play dumb.

[Shastafarian]

He thinks Neanderthals = modern humans

[xmas1997]

It's very easy to give up trying to understand anything and just say Magic Jesus did it. Religions persecuted and punished people who didn't give up and kept asking questions.

Where is your link that it is Christian dogma, or was that just your opinion?

[Shastafarian]

What kind of person studies something they don't believe in?
Modern humans do

[ChumpDumper]

No you don't. And now you're just acting stupid and claiming victory because there is no way to refute my stance. What kind of person studies something they don't believe in? Come on son, don't play dumb.I have studied many different religions in which I do not believe.

I just successfully refuted you.

[RD2191]

It's very easy to give up trying to understand anything and just say Magic Jesus did it. Religions persecuted and punished people who didn't give up and kept asking questions.
Why do you keep saying giving up? Giving up on what? I have the answers that I need and I am satisfied with them. If one day I no longer wasn't then I would begin to look for alternatives. What do those religions have to do with me? Who am I persecuting? Who am I killing for not believing in God?

[ChumpDumper]

Where is your link that it is Christian dogma, or was that just your opinion?You ignored the contradictions in the Bible, saying they don't count if they make your religion look bad.

[RD2191]

I have studied many different religions in which I do not believe.

I just successfully refuted you.
Well because you're stupid. And as I said, I am not interested in the theory of Evolution.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you keep saying giving up? Giving up on what? I have the answers that I need and I am satisfied with them. If one day I no longer wasn't then I would begin to look for alternatives. What do those religions have to do with me? Who am I persecuting? Who am I killing for not believing in God?Of course you are satisfied and of course you gave up asking questions as a result.

No one is trying to take away your right to give up.

[xmas1997]

I mean I am Christian and i accept most of Darwins theory of evolution, and most Christians I know do also.
So I see no contradictions.
Thousands of years of evolution can easily be part of Gods plan IMHO.

[RD2191]

Of course you are satisfied and of course you gave up asking questions as a result.

No one is trying to take away your right to give up.
No one is giving up. Those are your words not mine. I have the answers that I need. If I one day feel that I need more then I will continue to look.

[Shastafarian]

Wait so why don't you trust modern dating methods? Is "just cuz" gonna be your answer?

[RD2191]

Wait so why don't you trust modern dating methods? Is "just cuz" gonna be your answer?
yeah sure.

[xmas1997]

You ignored the contradictions in the Bible, saying they don't count if they make your religion look bad.

I am not asking for biblical texts. I am asking for Christian dogma links.

[Shastafarian]

yeah sure.

:tu

[RD2191]

:tu
:tu

[ChumpDumper]

No one is giving up. Those are your words not mine. I have the answers that I need. If I one day feel that I need more then I will continue to look.So you gave up for now.

Good for you.

[ChumpDumper]

I am not asking for biblical texts. I am asking for Christian dogma links.The dogma that ignores contradictions is based upon the bible text, Ivy.

Where else are contradictions to be found?

[RD2191]

So you gave up for now.

Good for you.
Nope, I am satisfied with the knowledge that I have now.

Keep going if you want.

[xmas1997]

I think anyone makes a huge mistake if they equate the Christian worldview and thus dogma to strictly the bible.

IMHO that makes Christianity and God very limiting, and I believe God is limitless.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, I am satisfied with the knowledge that I have now. I believe you.

After all, you said you are the same as this:

http://www.hiddenchina.net/pic/pekingman/peking_man_bk.jpg

[xmas1997]

The dogma that ignores contradictions is based upon the bible text, Ivy.

Where else are contradictions to be found?

Again, I am not asking for any contradictions or biblical texts. I am asking for Christian dogma links.

Or was that a brain fart of yours?

[RD2191]

I believe you.

After all, you said you are the same as this:

http://www.hiddenchina.net/pic/pekingman/peking_man_bk.jpg
http://aics.wa.edu.au/sites/default/files/Picture36.jpg

http://www.acu.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0008/479762/Skin-deep_body.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginals.jpg

[xmas1997]

Again, I am not asking for any contradictions or biblical texts.

I am asking for Christian dogma links which would include the Christian world view.

Or did you mean to say "traditional Christian dogma"?

Or again was it merely a brain fart of yours, chump?

[ChumpDumper]

Again, I am not asking for any contradictions or biblical texts. I am asking for Christian dogma links.

Or was that a brain fart of yours?"Thou shall not kill" is a commandment and a basic tenet of Chritianity, but Christians have been killing and finding justifications for killing for centuries. Many of those justifications are a matter of infallible church record and directions. IOW, dogma.

[Shastafarian]

http://aics.wa.edu.au/sites/default/files/Picture36.jpg

http://www.acu.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0008/479762/Skin-deep_body.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginals.jpg

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/001/768/original/070912_human_neand_02.jpg?1296071297

[ChumpDumper]

http://aics.wa.edu.au/sites/default/files/Picture36.jpg

http://www.acu.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0008/479762/Skin-deep_body.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginals.jpgThis is your skull:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/variants_3920.jpg

Your brain is about 25% smaller than the rest of us.

This explains so much.

[RD2191]

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Skulls-Say-It-Humans-and-Neanderthals-Split-300-000-400-000-Years-Ago-2.jpg

[RD2191]

This is your skull:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/variants_3920.jpg

Your brain is about 25% smaller than the rest of us.

This explains so much.
If you say so.

[xmas1997]

"Thou shall not kill" is a commandment and a basic tenet of Chritianity, but Christians have been killing and finding justifications for killing for centuries. Many of those justifications are a matter of infallible church record and directions. IOW, dogma.


That is a biblical world view, not a Christian world view, and neither are Christian dogma, or dogmata.

Link?

Do you even know what Christian dogma is?

And do you know the difference between Christian dogmata, and Christian world view?

[ChumpDumper]

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Skulls-Say-It-Humans-and-Neanderthals-Split-300-000-400-000-Years-Ago-2.jpgYou're saying you're the one on the left.

OK.

[RD2191]

You're saying you're the one on the left.

OK.
I was gonna say DPG, but okay.

[ChumpDumper]

That is a biblical world view, not a Christian world view, and neither are Christian dogma, or dogmata.

Link?

Do you even know what Christian dogma is?Oh, I am anxious to hear your definition of Christian dogma.

Go ahead and educate us all, Ivy.

[Shastafarian]

If you say so.

Actually you said so.

[ChumpDumper]

I was gonna say DPG, but okay.Right, you said you were Peking Man. We'll stick with that 25% smaller brain.

[xmas1997]

Oh, I am anxious to hear your definition of Christian dogma.

Go ahead and educate us all, Ivy.

No, I am still waiting for your Christian dogma link, not biblical link.

I think you were talking out your ass on this tbqh.

No offense meant of course.
:lol

[spurraider21]

The more you read about evolution, written by evolutionists, the less you will believe it!
i find that quote hilarious coming from one of your posts. i sincerely doubt you've read anything scientific in the last 50 years

the only thing you read are those scam gambling magazines which cost you over 10K in gambling last season alone

[spurraider21]

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Skulls-Say-It-Humans-and-Neanderthals-Split-300-000-400-000-Years-Ago-2.jpg
i dont get the point of why you post random pictures like this

is it supposed to be an argument?

[ChumpDumper]

No, I am still waiting for your Christian dogma link, not biblical link.

I think you were talking out your ass on this tbqh.

No offense meant of course.
:lolNope, I described it perfectly.

Now you will shut down and shit yourself with emoticons.

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

[ChumpDumper]

i dont get the point of why you post random pictures like this

is it supposed to be an argument?He's saying he has a brain 25% smaller than ours.

[ChumpDumper]

xmas:

dog·ma noun \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
: a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted

: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization

What is your definition of dogma?

[RD2191]

i dont get the point of why you post random pictures like this

is it supposed to be an argument?
Figure it out.

[RD2191]

Nope, I described it perfectly.

Now you will shut down and shit yourself with emoticons.

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif
Shit yourself? I doubt xmas finds you threatening in any which way or form.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit yourself? I doubt xmas finds you threatening in any which way or form.I wasn't threatening anyone.

Your smaller, primitive brain can't understand what I am saying.

[RD2191]

I wasn't threatening anyone.

Your smaller, primitive brain can't understand what I am saying.
You just claimed he would shit himself because of your statement/rebuttal.

[xmas1997]

Nope, I described it perfectly.

Now you will shut down and shit yourself with emoticons.

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

What?

You didn't describe anything even remotely close to "dogma", and definitely not Christian dogma or dogmata.

You were talking out your ass because you don't have any idea, no clue, of what you said.

OMG, no wonder you are confused.

Stick to evolution, you have a better handle on that from what I've read so far, but when it comes to Christian dogma, you are lost, and not even close.

[ChumpDumper]

You just claimed he would shit himself because of your statement/rebuttal.Your smaller, primitive brain considers my statements to be threats.

I can't make your brain and bigger or less primitive. You'll have to ask Magic Jesus for that.

[RD2191]

Your smaller, primitive brain considers my statements to be threats.

I can't make your brain and bigger or less primitive. You'll have to ask Magic Jesus for that.
Lol, meltdown. Clearly flustered. Keep it going, winner.

[ChumpDumper]

What?

You didn't describe anything even remotely close to "dogma", and definitely not Christian dogma or dogmata.

You were talking out your ass because you don't have any idea, no clue, of what you said.

OMG, no wonder you are confused.

Stick to evolution, you have a better handle on that from what I've read so far, but when it comes to Christian dogma, you are lost, and not even close.i posted the definition of dogma.

What's yours?

Don't shut down and shit yourself with emoticons again.

Just post your definition of dogma.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol, meltdown. Clearly flustered. Keep it going, winner.lol Peking Man mad.

[xmas1997]

xmas:

dog·ma noun \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\
: a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted

: a belief or set of beliefs that is taught by a religious organization

What is your definition of dogma?

A cursory definition of the "word" dogma which is inclusive of a particular religious organization is not the same thing and is miles different than saying "Christian dogma, or dogmata", you should know this.

Like I said, stick to what you think you know a little about, rather than venturing out on ledges you have no knowledge about at all.

[RD2191]

lol Peking Man mad.
Human, sure.

[xmas1997]

i posted the definition of dogma.

What's yours?

Don't shut down and shit yourself with emoticons again.

Just post your definition of dogma.

Yes you did, a very very "general" definition of the word itself.
But "Christian" dogma, or dogmata, is an altogether other animal entirely.

[ChumpDumper]

A cursory definition of the "word" dogma which is inclusive of a particular religious organization is not the same thing and is miles different than saying "Christian dogma, or dogmata", you should know this.

Like I said, stick to what you think you know a little about, rather than venturing out on ledges you have no knowledge about at all.Quit stalling, what is your definition of dogma?

[spurraider21]

Quit stalling, what is your definition of dogma?
its an allegory

[ChumpDumper]

Human, sure.You said you are Peking Man.

It's too bad your brain was too small to know what you were admitting.

I don't know why you post anything in these threads. You have nothing to add except the declaration you gave up.

[ChumpDumper]

its an allegorycrofl

[~O~]

I don't know if this thread is serious but I'd like to place some input.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsn3wpVAcjk


Last week, I watched this beautiful documentary based on hundreds of years of research from thousands of people to form a timeline of events that created this world. This is more logical and plausible than ..................other things....?? that were told to us. The comment section is predictable...so yeah.

Evolution is something I believe in but that its almost unfathomable to know how we became well....us.

The world has been measured to be 4,500,000,000 billion years old. Recorded history has spanned only 5000 years. Our time and existence has been a blink. A single life is a millisecond to how old this planet has been around. Humans have been around at the very least 200,000 years but were dumbasses in those early 150,000 years. We're still dumbasses now but significantly less.

Having been forced fed beliefs as a child and adolescent, I went went with it blindly as I was told. Then after much documentaries, book reading, and soul searching, I finally found this believe was a fallacy. A belief used to scare me and influence into believing in something that was just an advance marketing technique. Probably the greatest misleading marketing technique of our entire history besides Apple.

The world...is slowly starting to believe in the facts that we've gained; Facts that we can research and have absolute confidence in. The knowledge you've applied with various predictable results. I believe that everything in this universe and its physics is god themselves. We exist, we're aware, we manipulate, and we move with time. These are the only things I've been able to observe through a questionable existence. Ultimately, whatever happens on this planet and in this observable universe is decided by the measurable physics that exist. Thus looking down at the Earth, we come to realization that we are not the eldest species of animals. Now, they're looking up at the sky to find what this life truly is and the biggest question of our existence...WHY?


http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/religionevolution.jpg?w=717&h=545





http://jingreed.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c73fe53ef0105371cade9970b-pi



http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/evolution-and-religion-by-state.jpg?w=566&h=835



We're aren't the worlds most intelligent country..and its been a long time. Our knowledge works against us in various ways and there's always a sense of contradictions along with hypocrisy; its a void we always fill.

If we're such this great country, why do we still believe in a 1900 page book that can't back up any of the within it. Hundreds of thousands of books backing up science, sheesh.


People knowledgeable about science really don't want to have to explain all.....of the concepts to a person not knowledgeable in science but believing in their faith. Do you know how many fucking sciences there are and how much freaking math you'd have to apply and learn to explain these theories to people? This shit isn't EASY. It takes time to explain physics in detail. All you see in documentaries is laymans terms.

One word.....created by man themselves. Hubris...excessive pride. Another word, Ignorance. Choosing to ignore.....in this case whats real. Another word. Denial. Deny everything that's placed directly in front of you because you feel no need to believe in it.....because you....choose to ignore because you have hubris because it will hurt your pride because you're in a brainwashing cycle of DENIAL. If you can overcome all these words by your own will to find true answers you will open up to the worlds most healing trait Humility. Listen to all sides of the debate without bias.


No one isn't trying to hurt you. They're trying to heal you. People are scared to death of switching up........they've had this belief so long...so much church visits....so much influence from family and friends. People today don't even realize they believe in science when this computer I'm using right here is based on science, this monitor and keyboard based on science......the elements and atoms used to make these things function...all based on science. Red Green Blue or Roy G. Biv......your monitor based on science. LED...components...wiring and iron sockets based on science. Your phone....receiving measurable signals..from around the world and radio towers. All science through research and methods.

[RD2191]

You said you are Peking Man.

It's too bad your brain was too small to know what you were admitting.

I don't know why you post anything in these threads. You have nothing to add except the declaration you gave up.
Nope, never gave up. Just don't care for theories that have flaws everywhere. Humans and Neanderthals different. Lol.

[~O~]

Well........that post was a project.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, never gave up. Just don't care for theories that have flaws everywhere. Humans and Neanderthals different. Lol.What is your theory?

Let us know your flawless theory.

[RD2191]

What is your theory?

Let us know your flawless theory.
Don't have a theory. Don't really care.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't have a theory. Don't really care.You gave up.

[ohmwrecker]

Obviously.

[xmas1997]

Quit stalling, what is your definition of dogma?

You just proved how little you know on the subject and that you were talking out your ass.

This time I won't do your work for you.

You have all night to research it, I hope you do so you think first next time before spouting out nonsense.

I'll revisit this tomorrow when I have more time if you haven't understood it yet and help you gain a better grasp of it'

Just don't confuse dogma, with Christian dogma, and with biblical world view, which is what you are doing now.

Plus keep in mind the Christian world view as opposed to the biblical world view when you do, they are not quite the same.

Hint: start with wiki.

[RD2191]

I don't know if this thread is serious but I'd like to place some input.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsn3wpVAcjk


Last week, I watched this beautiful documentary based on hundreds of years of research from thousands of people to form a timeline of events that created this world. This is more logical and plausible than ..................other things....?? that were told to us. The comment section is predictable...so yeah.

Evolution is something I believe in but that its almost unfathomable to know how we became well....us.

The world has been measured to be 4,500,000,000 billion years old. Recorded history has spanned only 5000 years. Our time and existence has been a blink. A single life is a millisecond to how old this planet has been around. Humans have been around at the very least 200,000 years but were dumbasses in those early 150,000 years. We're still dumbasses now but significantly less.

Having been forced fed beliefs as a child and adolescent, I went went with it blindly as I was told. Then after much documentaries, book reading, and soul searching, I finally found this believe was a fallacy. A belief used to scare me and influence into believing in something that was just an advance marketing technique. Probably the greatest misleading marketing technique of our entire history besides Apple.

The world...is slowly starting to believe in the facts that we've gained; Facts that we can research and have absolute confidence in. The knowledge you've applied with various predictable results. I believe that everything in this universe and its physics is god themselves. We exist, we're aware, we manipulate, and we move with time. These are the only things I've been able to observe through a questionable existence. Ultimately, whatever happens on this planet and in this observable universe is decided by the measurable physics that exist. Thus looking down at the Earth, we come to realization that we are not the eldest species of animals. Now, they're looking up at the sky to find what this life truly is and the biggest question of our existence...WHY?


http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/religionevolution.jpg?w=717&h=545





http://jingreed.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c73fe53ef0105371cade9970b-pi



http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/evolution-and-religion-by-state.jpg?w=566&h=835



We're aren't the worlds most intelligent country..and its been a long time. Our knowledge works against us in various ways and there's always a sense of contradictions along with hypocrisy; its a void we always fill.

If we're such this great country, why do we still believe in a 1900 page book that can't back up any of the within it. Hundreds of thousands of books backing up science, sheesh.


People knowledgeable about science really don't want to have to explain all.....of the concepts to a person not knowledgeable in science but believing in their faith. Do you know how many fucking sciences there are and how much freaking math you'd have to apply and learn to explain these theories to people? This shit isn't EASY. It takes time to explain physics in detail. All you see in documentaries is laymans terms.

One word.....created by man themselves. Hubris...excessive pride. Another word, Ignorance. Choosing to ignore.....in this case whats real. Another word. Denial. Deny everything that's placed directly in front of you because you feel no need to believe in it.....because you....choose to ignore because you have hubris because it will hurt your pride because you're in a brainwashing cycle of DENIAL. If you can overcome all these words by your own will to find true answers you will open up to the worlds most healing trait Humility. Listen to all sides of the debate without bias.


No one isn't trying to hurt you. They're trying to heal you. People are scared to death of switching up........they've had this belief so long...so much church visits....so much influence from family and friends. People today don't even realize they believe in science when this computer I'm using right here is based on science, this monitor and keyboard based on science......the elements and atoms used to make these things function...all based on science. Red Green Blue or Roy G. Biv......your monitor based on science. LED...components...wiring and iron sockets based on science. Your phone....receiving measurable signals..from around the world and radio towers. All science through research and methods.
No one here is a scientist. They take it on faith that what scientists tell them is true. No one here is an expert in any field that they are discussing.

[ChumpDumper]

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gifYou gave up.

All that's left is for you to shit yourself with emoticons.

[xmas1997]

I don't know if this thread is serious but I'd like to place some input.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsn3wpVAcjk


Last week, I watched this beautiful documentary based on hundreds of years of research from thousands of people to form a timeline of events that created this world. This is more logical and plausible than ..................other things....?? that were told to us. The comment section is predictable...so yeah.

Evolution is something I believe in but that its almost unfathomable to know how we became well....us.

The world has been measured to be 4,500,000,000 billion years old. Recorded history has spanned only 5000 years. Our time and existence has been a blink. A single life is a millisecond to how old this planet has been around. Humans have been around at the very least 200,000 years but were dumbasses in those early 150,000 years. We're still dumbasses now but significantly less.

Having been forced fed beliefs as a child and adolescent, I went went with it blindly as I was told. Then after much documentaries, book reading, and soul searching, I finally found this believe was a fallacy. A belief used to scare me and influence into believing in something that was just an advance marketing technique. Probably the greatest misleading marketing technique of our entire history besides Apple.

The world...is slowly starting to believe in the facts that we've gained; Facts that we can research and have absolute confidence in. The knowledge you've applied with various predictable results. I believe that everything in this universe and its physics is god themselves. We exist, we're aware, we manipulate, and we move with time. These are the only things I've been able to observe through a questionable existence. Ultimately, whatever happens on this planet and in this observable universe is decided by the measurable physics that exist. Thus looking down at the Earth, we come to realization that we are not the eldest species of animals. Now, they're looking up at the sky to find what this life truly is and the biggest question of our existence...WHY?


http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/religionevolution.jpg?w=717&h=545





http://jingreed.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c73fe53ef0105371cade9970b-pi



http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/evolution-and-religion-by-state.jpg?w=566&h=835



We're aren't the worlds most intelligent country..and its been a long time. Our knowledge works against us in various ways and there's always a sense of contradictions along with hypocrisy; its a void we always fill.

If we're such this great country, why do we still believe in a 1900 page book that can't back up any of the within it. Hundreds of thousands of books backing up science, sheesh.


People knowledgeable about science really don't want to have to explain all.....of the concepts to a person not knowledgeable in science but believing in their faith. Do you know how many fucking sciences there are and how much freaking math you'd have to apply and learn to explain these theories to people? This shit isn't EASY. It takes time to explain physics in detail. All you see in documentaries is laymans terms.

One word.....created by man themselves. Hubris...excessive pride. Another word, Ignorance. Choosing to ignore.....in this case whats real. Another word. Denial. Deny everything that's placed directly in front of you because you feel no need to believe in it.....because you....choose to ignore because you have hubris because it will hurt your pride because you're in a brainwashing cycle of DENIAL. If you can overcome all these words by your own will to find true answers you will open up to the worlds most healing trait Humility. Listen to all sides of the debate without bias.


No one isn't trying to hurt you. They're trying to heal you. People are scared to death of switching up........they've had this belief so long...so much church visits....so much influence from family and friends. People today don't even realize they believe in science when this computer I'm using right here is based on science, this monitor and keyboard based on science......the elements and atoms used to make these things function...all based on science. Red Green Blue or Roy G. Biv......your monitor based on science. LED...components...wiring and iron sockets based on science. Your phone....receiving measurable signals..from around the world and radio towers. All science through research and methods.

Excellent, I applaud your find.

[RD2191]

You gave up.
Nope, have the answers that I need, don't need any more. I don't wanna end up like you.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope, have the answers that I need, don't need any more. I don't wanna end up like you.You gave up asking questions.

Why are you so angry about its being called what it is?

[RD2191]

You gave up.

All that's left is for you to shit yourself with emoticons.
You're the only one giving up in this thread. You don't even give a shit about the subject or any subject at hand. You are just so insecure in your life that losing an argument/debate even online is a hit to your ego and that's why you always want to have the last word. You internet persona means that much to you. Keep winning, winner.

[RD2191]

You gave up asking questions.

Why are you so angry about its being called what it is?
All the questions that I have have been answered. No such thing as giving up when I have found what I am looking for.

[ChumpDumper]

You're the only one giving up in this thread. You don't even give a shit about the subject or any subject at hand. You are just so insecure in your life that losing an argument/debate even online is a hit to your ego and that's why you always want to have the last word. You internet persona means that much to you. Keep winning, winner.Of course I haven't given up.

I'm still asking questions.

All of you get to a point where you can't stand any further discussion so you refuse to go on.

That's when I post this:

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

This is how all religion threads end up, as do a whole lot of others like conspiracy threads, etc.

People are so gung ho to spew their beliefs but get really uncomfortable actually discussing them. So they shut down. Give up. Make things personal.

It's all too familiar.

[Agloco]

No one here is a scientist. They take it on faith that what scientists tell them is true. No one here is an expert in any field that they are discussing.

:lol

[RD2191]

Are you married? Do you have children? A family? You come off as bitter/lonely middle aged man. Most atheists here are sad fucks though so I guess there is a trend going or something.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you married? Do you have children? A family? You come off as bitter/lonely middle aged man. Most atheists here are sad fucks though so I guess there is a trend going or something.


Make things personal.

It's all too familiar.

[RD2191]

Of course I haven't given up.

I'm still asking questions.

All of you get to a point where you can't stand any further discussion so you refuse to go on.

That's when I post this:

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif

This is how all religion threads end up, as do a whole lot of others like conspiracy threads and the like.

People are so gung ho to spew their beliefs but get really uncomfortable actually discussing them. So they shut down. Give up. Make things personal.

It's all too familiar.
Spew beliefs? When and where? Lol. gtfo. Countless atheists thread bashing religion. Atheists seem pretty insecure in their beliefs.

Your questions have been answered. I don't care about science/evolution. No need to study a subject I don't care about. I know where I came from, why I'm here, my purpose, and where I'm going. I have the answers that I need.

[RD2191]

Why are you scared to answer the questions?

[xmas1997]

You gave up.

All that's left is for you to shit yourself with emoticons.

No, you are making up things again because you do not know what you are talking about, that is plain to see.

I'm trying to help expand your knowledge and understanding a little so that maybe next time you spout off some nonsense, it might have a modicum of truth behind it.

In the mean time I am going to go to bed.

You can stay up arguing about trivial things you have no conception of all you want to, but I have some delicious sleep to get to.

But I'll get back to Christian dogma tomorrow AT MY LEISURE, NOT YOURS because it is a complicated and intricate subject that will take some time to explain to you so that you do not misunderstand.

It matters not whether you believe in it or not, what matters is that you understand it, so you don't make such an obvious and blatant faux pas in the future.

Good night, until tomorrow.

[ChumpDumper]

Spew beliefs? When and where? Lol. gtfo. Countless atheists thread bashing religion. Atheists seem pretty insecure in their beliefs.

Your questions have been answered. I don't care about science/evolution. No need to study a subject I don't care about. I know where I came from, why I'm here, my purpose, and where I'm going. I have the answers that I need.So why post in these threads at all?

You seem pretty insecure in your beliefs if you just shut down and refuse to discuss them.

[ChumpDumper]

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/im-not-listening-stephen-colbert-gif.gif.Are you really trying to convince yourself here?

Just post your definition of dogma.

I already did. It was easy.

[RD2191]

So why post in these threads at all?

You seem pretty insecure in your beliefs if you just shut down and refuse to discuss them.
I have discussed my beliefs plenty of times. Because I can and because I enjoy it.

[ChumpDumper]

I have discussed my beliefs plenty of times. Because I can and because I enjoy it.You shut down pretty quickly tonight.

[xmas1997]

Are you married? Do you have children? A family? You come off as bitter/lonely middle aged man. Most atheists here are sad fucks though so I guess there is a trend going or something.

:lmao
Good night, Rob. I'll get back to chump on Christian dogma/dogmata tomorrow. But in the meantime, keep up the good work.

[Agloco]

People knowledgeable about science really don't want to have to explain all.....of the concepts to a person not knowledgeable in science but believing in their faith. Do you know how many fucking sciences there are and how much freaking math you'd have to apply and learn to explain these theories to people? This shit isn't EASY. It takes time to explain physics in detail. All you see in documentaries is laymans terms.

Scientists tend to be jackasses in general fwiw.

[RD2191]

You shut down pretty quickly tonight.
We weren't discussing my beliefs. We were discussing evolution which I do not believe in.

Yeah, keep telling yourself you're winning to make yourself feel better.

How old are you by the way?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao
Good night, Rob. I'll get back to chump on Christian dogma/dogmata tomorrow.No you won't.

[RD2191]

:lmao
Good night, Rob. I'll get back to chump on Christian dogma/dogmata tomorrow. But in the meantime, keep up the good work.
Thanks man, have a good night.

[ChumpDumper]

We weren't discussing my beliefs. We were discussing evolution which I do not believe in. Actually I wasspecifically asking you what you do believe.


Yeah, keep telling yourself you're winning to make yourself feel better.

How old are you by the way?lol trying to make it personal again.

[RD2191]

Actually I wasspecifically asking you what you do believe.

lol trying to make it personal again.
You know what I believe.

Why are you so scared? You're such a pussy that you can't even state your age? Rob Diaz here, 23, believer in God.

[ChumpDumper]

You know what I believe.Well sure. I know exactly where you gave up your inquiry.


Why are you so scared? You're such a pussy that you can't even state your age? Rob Diaz here, 23, believer in God.I have no reason to state mine and no way to verify yours, so it is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Why are you so intent on making things so personal beyond the subject being discussed? All it does is make you look like you are avoiding the subject.

[DMC]

You know what I believe.

Why are you so scared? You're such a pussy that you can't even state your age? Rob Diaz here, 23, believer in God.

I can understand why you think evolution doesn't exist. The alternative is that you were skipped.

[RD2191]

[QUOTE=robdiaz2191;7559263]You know what I believe.[/qiuote]Well sure. I know exactly where you gave up.

I have no reason to state mine and no way to verify yours, so it is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Why are you so intent on making things so personal beyond the subject being discussed? All it does is make you look like you are avoiding the subject.
I don't care about the subject of evolution. I believe God is the creator of all things.

I'm not trying to make it personal, I just wanna know why you're so afraid to even state your age.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't care about the subject of evolution.Then don't post in the Evolution thread.


I'm not trying to make it personal, I just wanna know why you're so afraid to even state your age.You don't want to make it personal, you just want to know personal information about me that has nothing to do with the subject.

lol

[RD2191]

Then don't post in the Evolution thread.

You don't want to make it personal, you just want to know personal information about me that has nothing to do with the subject.

lol
I can post wherever I want.

Sure, pussy.

[ChumpDumper]

I can post wherever I want. Of course. Post a hundred times in the thread you don't care about.

lol


Sure, pussy.You sure want my personal information.

lol