Evolution...?

[Avante]

you're not good at logic. Sorry, just a fact.

Research logical fallacies, understand the concepts and then maybe, maybe it'll click for you.

You appear to struggle with common sense, sorry just a fact.

Stop ignoring the times we live in vs back in the day and the future, you don't seem to get that aspect of things. You are far too wrapped up in the right now, well it simply doesn't work that way, hence your lack of common sense.

[Avante]

that Americans like a security blanket?

many of those believe in Bible God. You the think the Bible is bullshit so what does that tell you?

That's right Americans need a security blanket, that isn't real obvious?

I totally respect the opinions of those who buy into The Bible. Why should I care how they go about it? The bottom line is they believe in a Supreme Being like I do. Not unlike another music lover digging rap, which I think sucks.

[Blake]

You appear to struggle with common sense, sorry just a fact.

Stop ignoring the times we live in vs back in the day and the future, you don't seem to get that aspect of things. You are far too wrapped up in the right now, well it simply doesn't work that way, hence your lack of common sense.

Oh look. A fallacy ^


Appeal To Widespread Belief (Bandwagon Argument, Peer Pressure, Appeal to Common Practice):the claim, as evidence for an idea, that many people believe it, or used to believe it, or do it.If the discussion is about social conventions, such as "good manners", then this is a reasonable line of argument.However, in the 1800's there was a widespread belief that bloodletting cured sickness. All of these people were not just wrong, but horribly wrong, because in fact it made people sicker. Clearly, the popularity of an idea is no guarantee that it's right.Similarly, a common justification for bribery is that "Everybody does it". And in the past, this was a justification for slavery.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

[Blake]

That's right Americans need a security blanket, that isn't real obvious?

I totally respect the opinions of those who buy into The Bible. Why should I care how they go about it? The bottom line is they believe in a Supreme Being like I do. Not unlike another music lover digging rap, which I think sucks.

I don't give a shit what people believe in their personal lives.

It's when they push their beliefs based on lies into the public domain is when it's a huge problem.

[Avante]

I don't give a shit what people believe in their personal lives.

It's when they push their beliefs based on lies into the public domain is when it's a huge problem.

Like I mentioned you have no common sense. This country is all about..."One Nation Under God". You honestly don't get that, how could you not understand this? Most those in power do believe in some God, this is news to you?

You don't appear to understand the culture you live in at all. What is the biggest holiday of the year not only in Texas but in the USA, yep....celebrating the birth of Christ. That doesn't tell you something?

In Texas alone you have....Texas Christian, Abilene Christian, Dallas Baptist that I know of.

You need to come to the realization that most don't agree with your stance on this and move on.

[Blake]

Like I mentioned you have no common sense. This country is all about..."One Nation Under God". You honestly don't get that, how could you not understand this? Most those in power do believe in some God, this is news to you?

You don't appear to understand the culture you live in at all. What is the biggest holiday of the year not only in Texas but in the USA, yep....celebrating the birth of Christ. That doesn't tell you something?

In Texas alone you have....Texas Christian, Abilene Christian, Dallas Baptist that I know of.

You need to come to the realization that most don't agree with your stance on this and move on.

Most agreed that slavery was acceptable back in the day.

It's not easy convincing the majority that they're wrong, but if we are going to move society forward, someone has to do it.

[Avante]

Most agreed that slavery was acceptable back in the day.

It's not easy convincing the majority that they're wrong, but if we are going to move society forward, someone has to do it.

Good luck and let me know how you're doing.

Why not start at BYU? Then head on into Oral Roberts University, I think it's in Oklahoma. After that see if you can get "In God We Trust" taken off our money, like I said.....good luck.

Oh yeah, all that gospel music has to go.

[Blake]

Good luck and let me know how you're doing.

I'm not doing much about those things directly besides rant on a messageboard about how Bible beaters bring our society down.

But i support those that are.



Why not start at BYU? Then head on into Oral Roberts University, I think it's in Oklahoma. After that see if you can get "In God We Trust" taken off our money, like I said.....good luck.

Oh yeah, all that gospel music has to go.

I don't care what private institutions teach. But if Texas Tech were to take tax dollars and then teach intelligent design in biology class, we have a huge problem.

I like gospel music every now and then just like i like hearing O Holy Night sung by someone with the vocal chops to pull it off.

[Avante]

I'm not doing much about those things directly besides rant on a messageboard about how Bible beaters bring our society down.

But i support those that are.



I don't care what private institutions teach. But if Texas Tech were to take tax dollars and then teach intelligent design in biology class, we have a huge problem.

I like gospel music every now and then just like i like hearing O Holy Night sung by someone with the vocal chops to pull it off.

I have tons of old gospel music, a lot of it recorded right there in the church. Just jivin' about that.

The thing is why concern yourself with what others are doing to the degree that you do? You appear to think you have the answer, who ever gave you that idea? Obviously others aren't the least bit concerned with your opinions on what they should be doing. Time to realize nobody is going to be doing anything because of you....ok? Why worry about things out of your control to the degree that you do?

[Avante]

This sort of thing is what ateists must contend with, as we all know they stand little chance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixx66T-FPYM

[Blake]

I have tons of old gospel music, a lot of it recorded right there in the church. Just jivin' about that.

The thing is why concern yourself with what others are doing to the degree that you do? You appear to think you have the answer, who ever gave you that idea? Obviously others aren't the least bit concerned with your opinions on what they should be doing. Time to realize nobody is going to be doing anything because of you....ok? Why worry about things out of your control to the degree that you do?

Well here, you asked for it, so I'm just stating my opinion of the way things should be in order to move our society forward.

and frankly, i think things are finally moving forward enough to where I don't need to get involved.

[Blake]

This sort of thing is what ateists must contend with, as we all know they stand little chance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixx66T-FPYM

She had slaves.

[Avante]

Well here, I'm just stating my opinion of the way things should be in order to move our society forward.

and frankly, i think things are finally moving forward enough to where I don't need to get involved.

I hope it all works out for you. I like Christmas, I like having a wife who thinks drugs/alcohol/cussing/talking bad about others is a no no. Those I know without some God in their life are a lot like you.

We will never see a time when this won't work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2FrFBceLuY

[Avante]

She had slaves.

At that time she was a victim of her times and we all get that.

[spurraider21]

i suspect people that are raised to believe the bible are prone to believe in the bible.

if tomorrow we heavily altered the bible and changed some of the magic tales into other magical tales, and we taught our children that from birth, they'd believe the new tales. that wouldn't make them true though

[Avante]

i suspect people that are raised to believe the bible are prone to believe in the bible.

if tomorrow we heavily altered the bible and changed some of the magic tales into other magical tales, and we taught our children that from birth, they'd believe the new tales. that wouldn't make them true though

As far back as recorded history goes we've always had Gods. It appears us humans prefer it that way doesn't it?

Not so long ago some explorers discovered a lost tribe hidden away in the Phillipine islands , they had a God they worshipped.

[spurraider21]

As far back as recorded history goes we've always had Gods. It appears us humans prefer it that way doesn't it?

Not so long ago some explorers discovered a lost tribe hidden away in the Phillipine islands , they had a God they worshipped.
im certain god was more popular the farther back we go. less atheism back then for sure.

god was and always has been the easy answer for unsolved questions. origin of the earth, the animals, us... purpose. how do we have lightning, and oceans, and suns... god was the answer to these questions. but over time humans have answered these questions for themselves, which is why god is less relevant than it was before. in the US there are still a good amount of believers, but if you look towards europe the numbers are smaller.

[Avante]

im certain god was more popular the farther back we go. less atheism back then for sure.

god was and always has been the easy answer for unsolved questions. origin of the earth, the animals, us... purpose. how do we have lightning, and oceans, and suns... god was the answer to these questions. but over time humans have answered these questions for themselves, which is why god is less relevant than it was before. in the US there are still a good amount of believers, but if you look towards europe the numbers are smaller.

We all know why we have Gods.

5% of Americans are considered atheists, if you wanna talk Europe, let's also talk Asia and the Middle East.

The bottom line is since the beginning of time most humans wanted a God in their life so they have one. You gain nothing by ....bah humbugging..it. To have no faith in anything would suck. To tell that little girl her dog Joey is now in doggie heaven beats the hell out telling her Joey is now worm food.

In your orbit you know a lot of believers don't you, do you run all this..."well ya see according to chemistry class..."...of course you don't because you know they simply don't care.

[spurraider21]

The bottom line is since the beginning of time most humans wanted a God in their life so they have one. You gain nothing by ....bah humbugging..it. To have no faith in anything would suck. To tell that little girls her dog Joey is now in doggie heaven beats the hell out telling her Joey is now worm food.
thats all fine and dandy. but that doesn't make any of it true.

do you acknowledge the difference between wanting something and that something being true?

[Avante]

thats all fine and dandy. but that doesn't make any of it true.

do you acknowledge the difference between wanting something and that something being true?

I'm thrilled to finally meet somebody who had the answer to all this. So you know the truth, wow! Wait until all my religious friends find out about you. The guy with all the answers. So when do you start making some $$$$ off this? Who wouldn't want to talk to the guy who has the answer? The Tonight Show, Time magazine, 60 Minutes could sure use you.

[Blake]

As far back as recorded history goes we've always had Gods. It appears us humans prefer it that way doesn't it?

Not so long ago some explorers discovered a lost tribe hidden away in the Phillipine islands , they had a God they worshipped.

Logical fallacy:

Appeal to tradition:


Description:*Using historical preferences of the people (tradition), either in general or as specific as the historical preferences of a single individual, as evidence that the historical preference is correct.* Traditions are often passed from generation to generation with no other explanation besides, “this is the way it has always been done”—which is not a reason,*it is an absence of a reason

Logical Form: We have been doing X for generations.Therefore, we should keep doing X.*Our ancestors thought X was right.Therefore, X is right.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/43-appeal-to-tradition

[spurraider21]

I'm thrilled to finally meet somebody who had the answer to all this. So you know the truth, wow! Wait until all my religious friends find out about you. The guy with all the answers. So when do you start making some $$$$ off this? Who wouldn't want to talk to the guy who has the answer? The Tonight Show, Time magazine, 60 Minutes could sure use you.
i never said i had all the answers. i just dont pretend to have all the answers. people who believe in god think they have all the answers...

why are we here? god
who put us here? god
how did the universe start? god
how did the first life on earth originite? god

its you who thinks who has all the answers... so let me rephrase what you just told me

"I'm thrilled to finally meet somebody who had the answer to all this. So you now the truth, wow! Wait until all my scientist friends find out about you.The guy with all the answers. So when do you start making some $$$$ off this? Who wouldn't want to talk to the guy who has the answer? The Tonight Show, Time magazine, 60 Minute could sure use use."

Lets tell all scientists to just stop what they're doing. It's obvious that no matter what they're researching, the answer is god. How did fish transition from sea to land? God!

so simple!

[Avante]

Logical fallacy:

Appeal to tradition:

This need you have for everything to agree with you has always intrigued me. Why does it bother you so much that nobody really cares about your opinion?

[Blake]

I'm thrilled to finally meet somebody who had the answer to all this. So you know the truth, wow! Wait until all my religious friends find out about you. The guy with all the answers. So when do you start making some $$$$ off this? Who wouldn't want to talk to the guy who has the answer? The Tonight Show, Time magazine, 60 Minutes could sure use you.

^ logical fallacy: ad hominem


Description:*Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is

Logical Form:
Person 1 is claiming Y.
Person 1 is a moron.
Therefore, Y is not true.

[Avante]

i never said i had all the answers. i just dont pretend to have all the answers. people who believe in god think they have all the answers...

why are we here? god
who put us here? god
how did the universe start? god
how did the first life on earth originite? god

its you who thinks who has all the answers... so let me rephrase what you just told me

"I'm thrilled to finally meet somebody who had the answer to all this. So you now the truth, wow! Wait until all my scientist friends find out about you.The guy with all the answers. So when do you start making some $$$$ off this? Who wouldn't want to talk to the guy who has the answer? The Tonight Show, Time magazine, 60 Minute could sure use use."

Lets tell all scientists to just stop what they're doing. It's obvious that no matter what they're researching, the answer is god. How did fish transition from sea to land? God!

so simple!

You can believe whatever makes you feel good about things, why would I care? Just respect what others believe in, ok? Trust me you will not be changing anyones mind about anything no more than I will be. Go with what you need to go with, cool with me.

[Avante]

^ logical fallacy: ad hominem


You really do need everyone in agreement with you don't you?

[Blake]

This need you have for everything to agree with you has always intrigued me. Why does it bother you so much that nobody really cares about your opinion?

^ logical fallacy: red herring:


Description:*Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue that to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the*avoiding the issue fallacy, the*red herring*is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.

Logical Form:
Argument A is presented by person 1.
Person 2 introduces argument B.
Argument A is abandoned.


This is fun.

[spurraider21]

You can believe whatever makes you feel good about things, why would I care? Just respect what others believe in, ok? Trust me you will not be changing anyones mind about anything no more than I will be. Go with what you need to go with, cool with me.
sure. again, its all belief and faith... i'm good with that. i'm just saying, dont parade around like what you are saying is truth

[Avante]

^ logical fallacy: red herring:




This is fun.

Yes it is.

[Avante]

sure. again, its all belief and faith... i'm good with that. i'm just saying, dont parade around like what you are saying is truth

At what point do you finally figure out I do what I want, what never? You don't tell me me anything, I could have swore I made that very clear.

I believe that something is responsible for all this, sure evolution might be part of it. What you believe means nothing to me at all. Why would it?

[Blake]

You really do need everyone in agreement with you don't you?

Neh. Just pointing out the facts, watching you cowardly run away from questions, having fun.

[Blake]

Yes it is.

Hey we agree.

[Avante]

Hey we agree.

Of course we agree, we both know you do what you need to do and I do the same, yep a win win situation. There are no losers.

[Avante]

Neh. Just pointing out the facts, watching you cowardly run away from questions, having fun.

Funny how two people could see the same thing so differently isn't it?

[Avante]

I just heard Cam Newton talking about how it was God who saved him. I liked this......I must be in His fantasy league....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[boutons_deux]

Bill Nye Weeps For Your Stupid Homeschooled Children

http://wonkette.com/568960/bill-nye-weeps-for-your-stupid-homeschooled-children#lF0cEoSJ2Qt3O3UW.99

[Blake]

Funny how two people could see the same thing so differently isn't it?

Yeah like how I see you as kind of dumb and ignorant but you feel the opposite.

[Avante]

Yeah like how I see you as kind of dumb and ignorant but you feel the opposite.

Typical immature response, which pretty much sums up what you are all about. If people don't agree with you you lash out like a child.

Blake, please grow up, ok my man? Otherwise I'll just put you back on ignore, why waste my time with someone acting like you do?

[Avante]

As we can see those with no God in their life act like total morons. If you have a differing opinion they freak out and start with the name calling. This is what dumb ass atheists do.

[Blake]

Typical immature response, which pretty much sums up what you are all about. If people don't agree with you you lash out like a child.

Blake, please grow up, ok my man? Otherwise I'll just put you back on ignore, why waste my time with someone acting like you do?

I've asked you a number of valid questions you've pussied out on.

I enjoy philosophical debates but if you're gonna be a pussy, then nothing left for me entertainment wise than to call you an ignorant dumbass and watch you cry.

[Blake]

As we can see those with no God in their life act like total morons. If you have a differing opinion they freak out and start with the name calling. This is what dumb ass atheists do.

so you have God and are name calling.

you sound so happy with your made up invisible friend. :cry

[spurraider21]

As we can see those with no God in their life act like total morons. If you have a differing opinion they freak out and start with the name calling. This is what dumb ass atheists do.
:lmao accuses others of name calling
:lmao says "dumb ass atheists" one sentence later

[Avante]

I've asked you a number of valid questions you've pussied out on.

I enjoy philosophical debates but if you're gonna be a pussy, then nothing left for me entertainment wise than to call you an ignorant dumbass and watch you cry.

Not sure you really understand what is going on here. First off you're the one who has to resort to the childish behavior not me. Second off I've tried to answer everything I could. Obviously I or you or anyone else has all the answers.

[Avante]

so you have God and are name calling.

you sound so happy with your made up invisible friend. :cry

I'm simply treating you the way it appears you prefer. You seem to enjoy the joust.

[Avante]

:lmao accuses others of name calling
:lmao says "dumb ass atheists" one sentence later

Like I always say, be cool and it will be cool, act like as asshole and I'll treat you like one.

[Avante]

I've noticed in my life experiences that those who believe in some God might talk to you about Him but have no problem if you reject Him. While atheists get violent over their opinion, they can't stand the fact you see them as being wrong.

[spurraider21]

i don't have a problem with a belief in a god, unless a person's belief warps their mind to an extent where they reject science or knowledge

[Avante]

i don't have a problem with a belief in a god, unless a person's belief warps their mind to an extent where they reject science

Science has been proven wrong numerous times, you disagree?


If you're not in a reading mood, there we see a list of things science was totally wrong about.

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php

[z0sa]

I've noticed in my life experiences that those who believe in some God might talk to you about Him but have no problem if you reject Him. While atheists get violent over their opinion, they can't stand the fact you see them as being wrong.

I think a lot of the issue concerns this common sense thing you like to throw around. Common sense, at one time, was that Apollo's chariot ferried the sun around the sky. At one time, charms were thought to help prevent diseases. At one time, the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.

The time is upon us - and by us I mean people like you and the vast majority of others - to realize weve reached a point so far past the aforementioned there is simply no valid reason for denying the factual nature of evolution or that all the religions are bogus. Were on a rock freefalling through space, nothing special about us, other than being full of life.

If you want to believe on God, go ahead, but in all reality there is no need for God anymore other than the fairy tales for a five year old whose dog just bit the dust.

The sooner people stop with the supersitious bullshit and realize there's a lot more to the universe than us, the better for all of us. I doubt it will ever end completely but there will come a day when no one believes the earth is 6000 years old anymore.

[spurraider21]

Science has been proven wrong numerous times, you disagree?


If you're not in a reading mood, there we see a list of things science was totally wrong about.

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php
you know who proved those scientific theories wrong? scientists.

newton's model of gravity has been shown to be very flawed as science has gotten more advanced

[Avante]

I think a lot of the issue concerns this common sense thing you like to throw around. Common sense, at one time, was that Apollo's chariot ferried the sun around the sky. At one time, charms were thought to help prevent diseases. At one time, the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.

The time is upon us - and by us I mean people like you and the vast majority of others - to realize weve reached a point so far past the aforementioned there is simply no valid reason for denying the factual nature of evolution or that all the religions are bogus. Were on a rock freefalling through space, nothing special about us, other than being full of life.

If you want to believe on God, go ahead, but in all reality there is no need for God anymore other than the fairy tales for a five year old whose dog just bit the dust.

The sooner people stop with the supersitious bullshit and realize there's a lot more to the universe than us, the better for all of us. I doubt it will ever end completely but there will come a day when no one believes the earth is 6000 years old anymore.

I totally agree.

But.....we have to take into account most people want something else besides this, so they have it, it makes them feel good, yep a drug. Old people knowing their days are numbers feel better about things if there is hope of an afterlife. Some kid with a disease feels better if they know others are praying for them. We aren't cold callused creatures only interested in the hard cold facts, we are all about emotions.

I have no clue how all this came about and if you read anything scientific it doesn't take long after reading,...maybe...may..could have...might have...before you figure out you won't find the answer there either.

Something out of our relm of comprehension is responsible for all this but like I mentioned I have no clue how it was done. If evolution was a method, ok ...cool. To think this all came about because of a ...BANG!...is beyond ridiculous. Way too many things have to work together to pull this off, no way in hell that happens without a Designer.

But this Designer has nothing at all to do with the Bible, that is just us humans screwing things up as usual.

What if the Earth were a 1000 miles closer to the sun? What if the Earth rotated at a different speed? Why do we have all the nutrients humans need to exist? The sperm and the egg. That doesn't just...BANG~!!!!!!!!!!...happen.

[spurraider21]

what does "making them feel good" have to do with the factuality though. i fail to make that connection

[Avante]

what does "making them feel good" have to do with the factuality though. i fail to make that connection

I was talking about why so many people believe in the Biblical God.

You wanna talk science? Ok here you go.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoOhbf3_Ts

[spurraider21]

that didn't answer my question, but ok. never put it past you to post youtubes you didnt watch

[Avante]

that didn't answer my question, but ok. never put it past you to post youtubes you didnt watch

Why would anyone post a video they didn't watch? Do we not see the guy as a an old man? Do we not see some fish swimming at the very end with his statement in lettering? Stop with this ridiculous....you didn't watch?

So tell me what did you think about that? The worlds leading atheist the author of over 30 books finally coming to his senses. What is your take on that?

Check this one out...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDDC1-_e7hI

Ever notice intelligent people treat atheists like little children as we saw there?

[spurraider21]

so a christian evangelist speaks out against atheism. should i be shocked?

and why would i care about david berlinski? this guy claims he is one of the world's leading physicists, and yet berlinski doesn't have a single degree in physics

[Avante]

so a christian evangelist speaks out against atheism. should i be shocked?

and why would i care about david berlinski? this guy claims he is one of the world's leading physicists, and yet berlinski doesn't have a single degree in physics

So no matter what anyone says regardless of their education, you have the real answer, right? What about the claim that science is now beginning the prove the existance of an intelligent design?

[Avante]

Interesting...

http://magazine.biola.edu/article/10-summer/can-dna-prove-the-existence-of-an-intelligent-desi/

[spurraider21]

So no matter what anyone says regardless of their education, you have the real answer, right? What about the claim that science is now beginning the prove the existance of an intelligent design?
no, i mean, this guy tried to make a big deal about David Berlinski and called him one of the worlds leading physicists :lol

[Avante]

no, i mean, this guy tried to make a big deal about David Berlinski and called him one of the worlds leading physicists :lol

Why not talk about all those examples of science being wrong, how very intelligent people believe in a creator and how there are many in the scientific world beginning to question the old ways, those you were taught.

You try too hard to discredit everyone, all those far more educated than you are.

There are so many articles, videos talking down atheism and evolution it's ridiculous.

[spurraider21]

Why not talk about all those examples of science being wrong,
we've discussed it plenty. newton was largely wrong about gravity. but you know who discovers this mistakes in science? other scientists. science always advances by disproving old science. that's why its silly when people say "scientists dont allow people to question them." the only thing science does is question science.


how very intelligent people believe in a creator
we've discussed this as well. i've also been clear in separating theism/atheism from creation/evolution. again, i'm fine with people believing in a god, as long as that belief doesn't conflict with scientific knowledge... an example of this is young earth creationists who believe the earth is 6,000 years old. thats when i get a little irked


and how there are many in the scientific world beginning to question the old ways, those you were taught.
yeah, as i said above, this is completely normal. scientists are always questioning old science. science is not afraid to correct and improve itself. there is no set in stone "holy book" of science. scientists are always free to challenge other theories, but you better have some really hefty proof to do so. einstein basically rewrote the book on gravity, and proved that much of newton's theories on gravity were wrong

[Avante]

we've discussed it plenty. newton was largely wrong about gravity. but you know who discovers this mistakes in science? other scientists. science always advances by disproving old science. that's why its silly when people say "scientists dont allow people to question them." the only thing science does is question science.


we've discussed this as well. i've also been clear in separating theism/atheism from creation/evolution. again, i'm fine with people believing in a god, as long as that belief doesn't conflict with scientific knowledge... an example of this is young earth creationists who believe the earth is 6,000 years old. thats when i get a little irked


yeah, as i said above, this is completely normal. scientists are always questioning old science. science is not afraid to correct and improve itself. there is no set in stone "holy book" of science. scientists are always free to challenge other theories, but you better have some really hefty proof to do so. einstein basically rewrote the book on gravity, and proved that much of newton's theories on gravity were wrong

So you are well aware that at any time science could......we were wrong about our stance on evolution and the existance of intelligent design....yet still feel this need to battle to the end over, well I had chemistry andf biology, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Come on man.

How about just a tad bit of...."hey we do the best we can but we don't really have all the answers"...ok?

The more time we spend defending ourselves, the less time we have to present factual data about the unscientific notions upon which the theory of evolution is based. That’s why we tend to ignore the personal attacks and focus on science.
Because we do this, our critics naturally claim that we don’t defend the credentials of scientists who reject the theory of evolution because we can’t. Since the charge is repeatedly made that all “real scientists” accept the theory of evolution, we will address that charge this month.
Past Scientists

There is no question that some of the most famous scientists of all times believed in creation. Ann Lamont has written a book entitled 21 Great Scientists Who Believed The Bible. She devotes chapters to Kepler, Boyle, Newton, Linnaeus, Euler, Faraday, Babbage, Joule, Pasteur, Kelvin, Maxwell, and Werner von Braun. These men weren’t dummies, and they believed in creation.
Evolutionists, of course, will argue that these great scientists lived before Darwin, and weren’t acquainted with the theory of evolution or modern scientific discoveries. While that may be true of some, it certainly isn’t true of Werner von Braun (1912 - 1977). Furthermore, their argument is based on the false premise that the evidence for the theory of evolution is stronger today than it was in the sixteenth through twentieth centuries. In reality, it was easier to believe in the theory of evolution when the fossil record was much less complete, before spontaneous generation of life was disproved, before genetics and molecular biology were understood as well as they are today.
Present Scientists

There are thousands of modern scientists who reject evolution. There is a partial list of them at http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/people/home.html. But evolutionists apparently believe that any modern scientist who rejects evolution has merely been brainwashed by Christian doctrine. For example, consider this email we received from “P”.



Subject: "Science is against the theory of evolution."
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:25:52 -0400
From: P
To: [email protected]

[spurraider21]

sure, but we go on the information available to us. thats the rational thing to do

you keep finding examples of random scientists who oppose evolution as if it's making a point. no matter how many you post, its a tiny minority at this point

[boutons_deux]

Birds Roost On New Evolutionary Tree

In a massive data crunching analysis, researchers have created a new evolutionary tree for birds (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/which-direction-home/). The effort required enormous computing power and new algorithms because it involved the whole genomes (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/garbled-dna-might-be-good-for-you/), rather than just a few genes, of 48 species of birds to establish their relatedness. The study is the first of its kind for vertebrates.

“It contradicts morphology-based trees. It contradicts mitochondrial trees. It supports more trees based upon nuclear genes, although those trees weren’t highly resolved and this one is.”

Bird genomes, in terms of genome size, compared to other vertebrate groups like reptiles, amphibians, mammals, they’re on average smaller than other vertebrates. And this allows one to sequence their genomes easier, and also assemble them easier.

The reason why: it’s thought that they have less repetitive genome in their genome, but yet a similar complement of genes encoding for proteins…so you can learn a lot about vertebrate biology more easily studying birds than you can in other groups where there’s a lot of this repetitive so-called junk DNA. “

with the whole genome scale dating we are arguing that avian diversity of 95 percent of the species did not occur 80 to 100 million years ago in the Cretaceous Period, but occurred right around the time of the extinction of the dinosaurs [what we call the meteor impact in the Yucatan peninsula], which was an alternative theory…

right after that extinction event, we get all orders of birds diverge within 50 million years. And then from there on everybody else speciates.”

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/birds-roost-on-new-evolutionary-tree/

did someone say "speciates"? speciation? say it ain't so! :lol

[mouse]

did someone say "speciates"? speciation? say it ain't so! :lol

Don't you know according to SpurRaider21 it's what the "majority" says that is true.

[spurraider21]

Don't you know according to SpurRaider21 it's what the "majority" says that is true.
link?

[johnsmith]

Spurraider, you realize your arguing one of the most important subjects in the history of mankind with an old, chubby, former child rapist who spends a vast majority of his golden years on a site dedicated to a team that he doesn't even follow right? In other words, you should stop and just accept that you're much smarter than him.

[mouse]

link?




you keep finding examples of random scientists who oppose evolution as if it's making , its a tiny minority at this point


Your hung up on the majority rules it must be right theory.

You just don't get it. That is why you have weak debate skills you debate like its a NBA smack off "count the rings".

"There are more Spur fans than mavs fans so we rule"

Just because the books in your school teach something doesn't make it 100% fact.

When Edison talked about light bulbs he was in the minority so was Bill Gates when he said people will want personal computers.

I suppose if the majority posters said you was a flaming homo does that make it true?

Get off your majority high horse and post some evidence man Evolved from a ape already .

[spurraider21]

Your hung up on the majority rules it must be right theory.

You just don't get it. That is why you have weak debate skills you debate like its a NBA smack off "count the rings".

"There are more Spur fans than mavs fans so we rule"

Just because the books in your school teach something doesn't make it 100% fact.

When Edison talked about light bulbs he was in the minority so was Bill Gates when he said people will want personal computers.

I suppose if the majority posters said you was a flaming homo does that make it true?

Get off your majority high horse and post some evidence man Evolved from a ape already .
i never said they are right because they are a majority

but its foolish to use examples of a handful of scientists as if they are a dominant voice over the consensus.

and when edison came up with his light bulb, its not like other scientists said "no you're wrong. that isn't a light bulb"

[ezau]

Your hung up on the majority rules it must be right theory.

You just don't get it. That is why you have weak debate skills you debate like its a NBA smack off "count the rings".

"There are more Spur fans than mavs fans so we rule"

Just because the books in your school teach something doesn't make it 100% fact.

When Edison talked about light bulbs he was in the minority so was Bill Gates when he said people will want personal computers.

I suppose if the majority posters said you was a flaming homo does that make it true?

Get off your majority high horse and post some evidence man Evolved from a ape already .

Tell me where the Master Designer kept his magic wand and I'll tell you how man evolved from apes. Show me the wand, son.

[ezau]

I totally agree.

But.....we have to take into account most people want something else besides this, so they have it, it makes them feel good, yep a drug. Old people knowing their days are numbers feel better about things if there is hope of an afterlife. Some kid with a disease feels better if they know others are praying for them. We aren't cold callused creatures only interested in the hard cold facts, we are all about emotions.

I have no clue how all this came about and if you read anything scientific it doesn't take long after reading,...maybe...may..could have...might have...before you figure out you won't find the answer there either.

Something out of our relm of comprehension is responsible for all this but like I mentioned I have no clue how it was done. If evolution was a method, ok ...cool. To think this all came about because of a ...BANG!...is beyond ridiculous. Way too many things have to work together to pull this off, no way in hell that happens without a Designer.

But this Designer has nothing at all to do with the Bible, that is just us humans screwing things up as usual.

What if the Earth were a 1000 miles closer to the sun? What if the Earth rotated at a different speed? Why do we have all the nutrients humans need to exist? The sperm and the egg. That doesn't just...BANG~!!!!!!!!!!...happen.

Emotions are great mechanisms to help humans cope and survive, although they're not unique in the animal kingdom. Elephants do show some sort of 'emotion' by collecting and burying the remains of a dead relative. Humans share a lot of these so-called 'human' characteristics with other animals.

[ezau]

Science has been proven wrong numerous times, you disagree?


If you're not in a reading mood, there we see a list of things science was totally wrong about.

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php

Yet you're using the Internet to log in to Spurstalk while typing on your computer that's powered by electricity. Internet, computer, and electricity=all possible because of years of scientific research/trial and error. :lol

[Henrik Sedin]

Yet you're using the Internet to log in to Spurstalk while typing on your computer that's powered by electricity. Internet, computer, and electricity=all possible because of years of scientific research/trial and error. :lol

What relevance is this to the topic?

[Henrik Sedin]

i never said they are right because they are a majority

but its foolish to use examples of a handful of scientists as if they are a dominant voice over the consensus.

and when edison came up with his light bulb, its not like other scientists said "no you're wrong. that isn't a light bulb"
You do realize Scientists cannot accept metaphysics? It doesn't mean they don't hold faith, it's because pointing towards God has no use for them.

scientists label this as a theory. A very controversial theory at that. It's the people that fail to open their mind that give Evolutionists a bad name.

[ezau]

We can't fault humans for what they have done to the Designer. So I don't. It doesn't really matter if you like vanilla/chocolate/strawberry, the fact is you like ice cream. This is no different, the bottom line is yes you believe in a supreme something.

Those statues on Easter Islands can't be explained, nobody has a clue how they got there or who is responsible for them, that doesn't mean they can't exist, obviously they do.

:lol

Easter Island statues were built by Polynesian settlers almost a thousand years ago. According to studies, these statues or moai were representatives of deceased ancestors/chiefs. Most of them were built between 1250-500 by a distinguished class of craftsmen.

[ezau]

At that time she was a victim of her times and we all get that.

So, will she go to hell or heaven?

[Blake]

It's the people that fail to open their mind that give Evolutionists a bad name.

that doesn't make any sense.

Name an evolutionist with a bad name and state who gave him/her the bad name.

[Henrik Sedin]

that doesn't make any sense.

Name an evolutionist with a bad name and state who gave him/her the bad name.
Spur raider

[Blake]

So, will she go to hell or heaven?

Bible God endorses slavery, so heaven.

[ezau]

Possibly all life on earth came from mud pots around steamy volcanoes according to some articles I've read. Seems as plausible as any other valid theory.

I happened to catch a documentary on Saturn the other night on Science Channel. Scientists are pondering the possibility of life on the moon of Titan. We'll know more when the rover (forget the name) returns to earth in 2017.


Life, no matter how simple, found in or out the solar system will surely shake the very foundations of all the major religions on Earth. Titan is indeed a good candidate, and I won't be surprised if simple life is found there. I mean, there's a species of bacteria that can live in underwater vents without even using oxygen.

[Blake]

Spur raider

Neh.

[ezau]

Bible God endorses slavery, so heaven.

Well, fair enough. lol

[Blake]

Life, no matter how simple, found in or out the solar system will surely shake the very foundations of all the major religions on Earth. Titan is indeed a good candidate, and I won't be surprised if simple life is found there. I mean, there's a species of bacteria that can live in underwater vents without even using oxygen.

if life is found on Titan, it could very well mean the universe is teeming with life.

It would be very huge news.

[Avante]

I've always wondered what motivates anyone to go against their surroundings and the culture they live in. Why this need to question their parents beliefs and most those in their orbit?

This time of year they must feel out of place, with everyone in the Christmas spirit as they.."bah humbug".

While I don't buy the Bibical account of how it all went down I do see Christmas as a celebration for that MasterDesigner.

[mouse]

if life is found on Titan, it could very well mean the universe is teeming with life.

It would be very huge news.

Especially when your misguided sientists can't find any monkey fossils to explain how life got there.

[mouse]

all possible because of years of scientific research/trial and error. :lol

So then where is the "error" in Evolution? If what you say is true then why is Science in the religious buissness telling us how we got here?

You ignorant misguided fools are quick to pull out the "Science" is still learning card when it suits you but never claim Science could be wrong about the origins of the universe how foolish you look contradicting yourself.

[Blake]

So then where is the "error" in Evolution? If what you say is true then why is Science in the religious buissness telling us how we got here?

You ignorant misguided fools are quick to pull out the "Science" is still learning card when it suits you but never claim Science could be wrong about the origins of the universe how foolish you look contradicting yourself.

I doubt anyone here has a problem saying science could be wrong about the origins of the universe.

I don't. There's no contradiction.

[Blake]

Especially when your misguided sientists can't find any monkey fossils to explain how life got there.

No sign of monkeys on Titan, so no reason to look for "monkey fossils"

[spurraider21]

i've always maintained we reserve the right to change opinions/theories when new evidence is introduced. at this point, the preponderance of evidence leads to the conclusion of evolution

[ezau]

So then where is the "error" in Evolution? If what you say is true then why is Science in the religious buissness telling us how we got here?

You ignorant misguided fools are quick to pull out the "Science" is still learning card when it suits you but never claim Science could be wrong about the origins of the universe how foolish you look contradicting yourself.

:lol

Science is all about trial and error, son. If there's a better theory than evolution that will come up in the future, scientists will quickly debunk the old theory for the new one. Your Master Designer, on the other hand, has been magically creating things without evidence to show for it. Have you seen your Master Designer create a hippo out of nothing? :lol

[ezau]

Especially when your misguided sientists can't find any monkey fossils to explain how life got there.

Even a single strand of DNA found outside the Earth, will very well shut down the door on religion. That would mean the end of cash flow to the Vatican and all other major religious institutions in the world. Hell, the Vatican has been milking Jesus Christ's death for 2,000 years. :lol

[ezau]

I've always wondered what motivates anyone to go against their surroundings and the culture they live in. Why this need to question their parents beliefs and most those in their orbit?

This time of year they must feel out of place, with everyone in the Christmas spirit as they.."bah humbug".

While I don't buy the Bibical account of how it all went down I do see Christmas as a celebration for that MasterDesigner.

Without questioning 'tradition', you'd still be thinking that Earth was the center of the Universe and that we're all stepping on the back of a giant tortoise. You gotta thank science for opening your mind and making your life more convenient than the people who lived before you.

[Blake]

:lol

Science is all about trial and error, son. If there's a better theory than evolution that will come up in the future, scientists will quickly debunk the old theory for the new one. Your Master Designer, on the other hand, has been magically creating things without evidence to show for it. Have you seen your Master Designer create a hippo out of nothing? :lol

:cry how come we don't see the master designer blinking new humans into existence today? :cry

[Blake]

Especially when your misguided sientists can't find any monkey fossils to explain how life got there.

:cry they can't find the master designer either to explain how we got here :cry

[ezau]

:cry how come we don't see the master designer blinking new humans into existence today? :cry

:lol

[Avante]

Without questioning 'tradition', you'd still be thinking that Earth was the center of the Universe and that we're all stepping on the back of a giant tortoise. You gotta thank science for opening your mind and making your life more convenient than the people who lived before you.

That has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[Avante]

Hmmmmmmm?




“perhaps in a warm pond, as Darwin speculated, or perhaps in a boiling bubbling mud bath or a scorching volcanic vent way under the sea.” – There is no scientist in the world today that would have the chutzpah to claim that he or she knows how life began. Dr. Stuart Kauffman: “Anyone who tells you that he or she knows how life started on the Earth 3.5 billion years ago, is a fool or a knave.” The enormous, gaping chasm that separates non-living chemicals from the simplest living bacterium is described by renowned biologist Dr. Lynn Margulis: “To go from bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.” Every theory mentioned above has nothing to do with Science. All current Origin of Life theories are pure speculation. Speculation, even when it is the product of a brilliant scientific mind, does not magically become Science. None of these theories are supported by anything even remotely resembling any type of conclusive evidence. In fact they are hotly disputed among researchers themselves. Physicist and information theorist H.P. Yockey: “A scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written. The entire effort in the primeval soup paradigm is self-deception.” Nobel Laureate, Dr. Werner Arber: “Although a biologist, I must confess that I do not know how life came about…how such already quite complex structures came about is a mystery to me.” Dr. Christopher McKay: “We do not know how life originated on the Earth.” Dr. Harold P. Klein: “The simplest bacterium is so damn complicated…that it is almost impossible to imagine how it happened.” Dr. Ken Nealson (National Academy of Sciences): “Nobody understands the Origin of Life, if they say they do, they are probably trying to fool you.” Dr. George Whitesides: “Most chemists believe as I do that life emerged spontaneously from mixtures of molecules on the prebiotic Earth. How? I have no idea…on the basis of all the chemistry I know, it seems astonishingly improbable.”

[Blake]

Hmmmmmmm?




“perhaps in a warm pond, as Darwin speculated, or perhaps in a boiling bubbling mud bath or a scorching volcanic vent way under the sea.” – There is no scientist in the world today that would have the chutzpah to claim that he or she knows how life began. Dr. Stuart Kauffman: “Anyone who tells you that he or she knows how life started on the Earth 3.5 billion years ago, is a fool or a knave.” The enormous, gaping chasm that separates non-living chemicals from the simplest living bacterium is described by renowned biologist Dr. Lynn Margulis: “To go from bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.” Every theory mentioned above has nothing to do with Science. All current Origin of Life theories are pure speculation. Speculation, even when it is the product of a brilliant scientific mind, does not magically become Science. None of these theories are supported by anything even remotely resembling any type of conclusive evidence. In fact they are hotly disputed among researchers themselves. Physicist and information theorist H.P. Yockey: “A scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written. The entire effort in the primeval soup paradigm is self-deception.” Nobel Laureate, Dr. Werner Arber: “Although a biologist, I must confess that I do not know how life came about…how such already quite complex structures came about is a mystery to me.” Dr. Christopher McKay: “We do not know how life originated on the Earth.” Dr. Harold P. Klein: “The simplest bacterium is so damn complicated…that it is almost impossible to imagine how it happened.” Dr. Ken Nealson (National Academy of Sciences): “Nobody understands the Origin of Life, if they say they do, they are probably trying to fool you.” Dr. George Whitesides: “Most chemists believe as I do that life emerged spontaneously from mixtures of molecules on the prebiotic Earth. How? I have no idea…on the basis of all the chemistry I know, it seems astonishingly improbable.”


You gonna drop that and run?

Give your opinion of that excerpt.

[spurraider21]

Even a single strand of DNA found outside the Earth, will very well shut down the door on religion. That would mean the end of cash flow to the Vatican and all other major religious institutions in the world. Hell, the Vatican has been milking Jesus Christ's death for 2,000 years. :lol
:cry god put the DNA on neptune to test our faith :cry

[Avante]

You gonna drop that and run?

Give your opinion of that excerpt.

The fact so many in the know struggle with accepting the theory of evolution tells us it is not the slamdunk some like to pretend that it is. There are still questions and uncertainies.

[Avante]

The one that gets me is this....

If we/I say "most" humans belong in some God, it's.."most were wrong about the earth being flat".

Then we read..."that doesn't matter "most" scientists agree that...".......hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

I do see Christmas as a celebration for that MasterDesigner.

Wrong as usual. Christmas started out as a celebration of the winter solstice, the Jesus shit was added later.

[Clipper Nation]

The one that gets me is this....

If we/I say "most" humans belong in some God, it's.."most were wrong about the earth being flat".

Then we read..."that doesn't matter "most" scientists agree that...".......hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Most humans" =/= "most scientists"

[Avante]

Wrong as usual. Christmas started out as a celebration of the winter solstice, the Jesus shit was added later.

Where did I say anything about the origins of Christmas? I said that ...I...saw it as a celebration for the MasterDesigner because I do. Yes, just something else added later.

Why not calm down my friend, you are always on edge for some reason.

[Avante]

"Most humans" =/= "most scientists"

It's the same thing my friend. I'm not talking about...humans vs scientists....ok?

[mouse]

:lol

Science is all about trial and error, son. If there's a better theory than evolution that will come up in the future, scientists will quickly debunk the old theory for the new one. Your Master Designer, on the other hand, has been magically creating things without evidence to show for it. Have you seen your Master Designer create a hippo out of nothing? :lol

Try mixing in a little research with your weak comebacks I don't support creation please don't tell me your not another spurraider or Blake and I'm going to have to remind you everytime I respond.

[mouse]

:lol

When your having sex with your stepsister do you see your down syndrome sperm trying to penetrate her crusty eggs?


Did you see Stonehenge being built?

Stop your jr high replies and post some real evidence man evolved from a lizard

[mouse]

I doubt anyone here has a problem saying science could be wrong about the origins of the universe.

I don't. There's no contradiction.


When was the last time you picked up a school biology book it doesn't say Scientists "think" the universe is 18 billion years old it says clearly in black and white when and how we got here and with pictures to boot.

[spurraider21]

The one that gets me is this....

If we/I say "most" humans belong in some God, it's.."most were wrong about the earth being flat".

Then we read..."that doesn't matter "most" scientists agree that...".......hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
perhaps because scientists actually study these things throughout their life, and the masses of the people are just going by what their parents told them about some book

[spurraider21]

Try mixing in a little research with your weak comebacks I don't support creation please don't tell me your not another spurraider or Blake and I'm going to have to remind you everytime I respond.
you dance around the question all the time... you claim you don't support creation, you support AD.

but AD implies a designer which you don't support either

you claim to be both theist and atheist at the same time. you won't say there's a designer (an atheist position) and then reject the notion of life being formed without a designer (a theistic position)

[Avante]

perhaps because scientists actually study these things throughout their life, and the masses of the people are just going by what their parents told them about some book

I'm not talking about people ve scientists that wasn't obvious? I'm talking about scientists vs scientists.

If I say, 100 scientists believe in intelligent design, you're going to say.....so, the vast majority believe in evolution....right? Totally disregarding just who those scientists are.

If you wanted to know about sprinting/blues, would you ask the masses here or me?

[spurraider21]

I'm not talking about people ve scientists that wasn't obvious? I'm talking about scientists vs scientists.

If I say, 100 scientists believe in intelligent design, you're going to say.....so, the vast majority believe in evolution....right? Totally disregarding just who those scientists are.

If you wanted to know about sprinting/blues, would you ask the masses here or me?
if i wanted to know sprinting/blues, you'd be the man to ask... you have invested a lot of time into blues and its history

if i wanted to know about the merits of evolution, i would ask scientists. they are the ones who have spent their lives studying the topic and discovering new things


now, if i consulted with 10,000 blues experts, and 9500 of them told me Otis Redding was the real deal, and 500 of them told me he was a hack, what would a reasonable man in my position think? when it comes to the scientist, what you are doing is the equivalent one by one posting each of those 500 experts and saying "look, so many of these 'experts' think otis redding sucks... hmmmmm"

many of the videos "debunking" evolution that you have posted haven't even been by scientists, they've just been by some narrator talking over some images with some ominous music in the background. that would be like me posting a video of some dumb kid ranting about how otis redding is garbage. how seriously would you take that kid? not at all

[mouse]

you dance around the question all the time... you claim you don't support creation, you support AD.

but AD implies a designer which you don't support either

you claim to be both theist and atheist at the same time. you won't say there's a designer (an atheist position) and then reject the notion of life being formed without a designer (a theistic position)

And your mind still can't grasp it.

[mouse]

I wonder how spurraider would survive in China since according to him he would have to eat with chopsticks and live his life according to the majority.

I guess if we drop spurraider on some island were the majority of the natives think sucking another mans cock is good luck he would just comply without any independent thought?

Many of you in here have no clue that Evolution isn't supported around the world talk about living in a bubble.


Page 113 and still no proof man is here from a goat fucking a deer

[spurraider21]

if you're uneducated, thats on you bud

[Avante]

if i wanted to know sprinting/blues, you'd be the man to ask... you have invested a lot of time into blues and its history

if i wanted to know about the merits of evolution, i would ask scientists. they are the ones who have spent their lives studying the topic and discovering new things


now, if i consulted with 10,000 blues experts, and 9500 of them told me Otis Redding was the real deal, and 500 of them told me he was a hack, what would a reasonable man in my position think? when it comes to the scientist, what you are doing is the equivalent one by one posting each of those 500 experts and saying "look, so many of these 'experts' think otis redding sucks... hmmmmm"

many of the videos "debunking" evolution that you have posted haven't even been by scientists, they've just been by some narrator talking over some images with some ominous music in the background. that would be like me posting a video of some dumb kid ranting about how otis redding is garbage. how seriously would you take that kid? not at all

First off Otis Redding is soul not blues.

The thing is there are just too many who do challenge what you have some need to sell. It isn't real obvious there is some real debate about this going on?

So all those scholars who challenge your belief must be wrong, forget the fact your credentials totally pale in comparision to theirs?

[Avante]

if you're uneducated, thats on you bud

This...uneducated...thing you got going on is annoying. You can't talk to me about a ton of things, go ahead let's talk about the origins of the Gothic novel. how about the first great black jockies? Wanna talk the origins of sword & sorcery in literature, how about those great British sci fi authors? We could talk the first black authors here in America. Let me guess you're...uneducated...when it comes to those topic's...right? How about junior colege track, pre 1960 boxing, pre 1960 pro rasslin', can you talk the old AFL? You can't can you? Yep...uneducated. Wanna talk Eugene Sandow and the origins of body building? How about HBCU football?

Cool this silly talk about educated/uneducated, it's stupid, ok?

Who was the first white artist to cut a record for the Motown label? Who was the first black performer on The Grand Old Opry? Who was that former slave who would fight for the World Championship? Educate yourself...ok? What teenage girl wrote what many consider to be the first sci fi novel?

You tend to confuse education with interest.

[spurraider21]

First off Otis Redding is soul not blues.

The thing is there are just too many who do challenge what you have some need to sell. It isn't real obvious there is some real debate about this going on?

So all those scholars who challenge your belief must be wrong, forget the fact your credentials totally pale in comparision to theirs?
just goes to show you are the authority on Otis Redding, not me

there are people who challenge the theory of evolution, some of whom have scientific credentials. however, their work largely fails during the peer review process. i have very limited credentials in the field, i have a bachelors degree in biochemistry, so i'm no evolutionary expert. however i do have a pretty strong understanding of basic scientific principles such as biology and chemistry, which come in very handy when understanding the theory of evolution. mouse likes to yammer on about DNA when i probably know more about it than he does (i say probably because i dont know his education history outside of browsing youtube).

are there people with more credentials than me who disagree with my takes? certainly. if that's just their opinion/view, then there's nothing i can really do about it. but when they go out there to try to disprove evolution with their scientific work, it largely fails during the peer review process. i don't think thats some coincidence either.

as for if they "truly must be wrong"... of course not. there's a possibility than i'm wrong. but as of right now, the evidence doesn't suggest that. when we take into account all the information and evidence we have access to right now, evolution is the best candidate, which is why it is currently the working theory.

lets say you're a detective and you just arrived at a murder scene, and you found a suspect who owned the weapon, had his fingerprints on it, had a motive, and was present at the scene around the time of the murder. but your partner says "actually, i think the killer is this other person." would that make him wrong? technically no, and maybe ultimately he will be correct. but given what is known, it wouldn't be the rational conclusion to arrive at

[spurraider21]

This...uneducated...thing you got going on is annoying. You can't talk to me about a ton of things, go ahead let's talk about the origins of the Gothic novel. how about the first great black jockies? Wanna talk the origins of sword & sorcery in literature, how about those great sci fi authors? We could talk the first black authors here in America. Let me guess you're...uneducated...when it comes to those topic's...right? How about junior colege track, pre 1960 boxing, pre 1960 pro rasslin', can you talk the old AFL? You can't can you? Yep...uneducated. Wanna talk Eugene Sandow and the origins of body building? How about HBCU football?
i will acknowledge that i'm very uneducated and uninformed on those topics. anybody can learn a set of facts. i can go back and read articles after article, magazines, periodicals about old sprinters and become learned in that field. scientific study is more than just learning lists of facts though. somebody can learn a good amount of science by reading on the internet, if they are careful about their sources. but i wouldn't just take somebody's word for it if they said "i'm an expert in this field of science, because i've read extensively about it on the internet."



Cool this silly talk about educated/uneducated, it's stupid, ok?
i don't see what's silly about it. evolution isn't just some folktale that we are arguing about. it involves complex science. genetics. biology. i think having studied those fields would make the conversations more meaningful


Who was the first white artist to cut a record for the Motown label? Who was the first black performer on The Grand Old Opry? Who was that former slave who would fight for the World Championship? Educate yourself...ok? What teenage girl wrote what many consider to be the first sci fi novel?
i dont know. i haven't read about those things. i'm uneducated when it comes to those topics


You tend to confuse education with interest.
no i don't. people tend to educate themselves on their interests. somebody with an interest in blues will probably go out of his way to learn a lot about it. somebody with an interest in football will learn a lot about it.

[Avante]

just goes to show you are the authority on Otis Redding, not me

there are people who challenge the theory of evolution, some of whom have scientific credentials. however, their work largely fails during the peer review process. i have very limited credentials in the field, i have a bachelors degree in biochemistry, so i'm no evolutionary expert. however i do have a pretty strong understanding of basic scientific principles such as biology and chemistry, which come in very handy when understanding the theory of evolution. mouse likes to yammer on about DNA when i probably know more about it than he does (i say probably because i dont know his education history outside of browsing youtube).

are there people with more credentials than me who disagree with my takes? certainly. if that's just their opinion/view, then there's nothing i can really do about it. but when they go out there to try to disprove evolution with their scientific work, it largely fails during the peer review process. i don't think thats some coincidence either.

as for if they "truly must be wrong"... of course not. there's a possibility than i'm wrong. but as of right now, the evidence doesn't suggest that. when we take into account all the information and evidence we have access to right now, evolution is the best candidate, which is why it is currently the working theory.

lets say you're a detective and you just arrived at a murder scene, and you found a suspect who owned the weapon, had his fingerprints on it, had a motive, and was present at the scene around the time of the murder. but your partner says "actually, i think the killer is this other person." would that make him wrong? technically no, and maybe ultimately he will be correct. but given what is known, it wouldn't be the rational conclusion to arrive at

All that is fine but being it is what it is and there is no actual concrete proof of anything, and yes I've read all that stuff with all it's...maybe...could have..might have...going on, we must leave at ....we really don't know for sure, but a lot or evidence points in that direction.

It's 1952, white American Lindy Remigio wins the Olympic 100m, in 1956 white American Bobby Morrow wins the Olympic 100m, in 1960 the German Armin Hary wins the Olympic 100m. Pretty safe to say what the evidence tells us isn't it? As we would find out later, black sprinters are far superior to white ones. So much for the evidence.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKDP6R0jqc

[spurraider21]

All that is fine but being it is what it is and there is no actual concrete proof of anything, and yes I've read all that stuff with all it's...maybe...could have..might have...going on, we must leave at ....we really don't know for sure, but a lot or evidence points in that direction.
almost all the evidence we have right now points to it. vestigial structures like the appendix, whale species with underdeveloped legs... genetic records, fossil records, genetic mutation. common organ and organ systems among animals, nearly identical cellular respiration among lifeforms.

that doesn't make it a definite yet. new evidence could change it. but right now it pretty much all leans one way, and i reckon most of the resistance comes from people with strong religious backgrounds


It's 1952, white Amerucan Lindy Remigion wins the Olympic 100m, in 1956 white American Bobby Morrow wins the Olympic 100m, in 1960 the German Armin Hary wins the Olympic 100m. Pretty safe to say what the evidence tellws us isn't it? As we would find out later, black sprinters are far superior to white ones. So much for the evidence.
jesse owens was already established before then. how many black sprinters participated in the olympics during those years as a whole compared to their white counterparts?

of course, if the evidence changes drastically, it would change the way we think. but for most of this thread you have been entirely dismissive of evolution, which is just turning a blind eye to what (based on essentially all the evidence we have now) is the most rational conclusion

[Avante]

almost all the evidence we have right now points to it. vestigial structures like the appendix, whale species with underdeveloped legs... genetic records, fossil records, genetic mutation. common organ and organ systems among animals, nearly identical cellular respiration among lifeforms.

that doesn't make it a definite yet. new evidence could change it. but right now it pretty much all leans one way, and i reckon most of the resistance comes from people with strong religious backgrounds


jesse owens was already established before then. how many black sprinters participated in the olympics during those years as a whole compared to their white counterparts?

of course, if the evidence changes drastically, it would change the way we think. but for most of this thread you have been entirely dismissive of evolution, which is just turning a blind eye to what (based on essentially all the evidence we have now) is the most rational conclusion

Whites won the...1912, 1916, 1920, 1924, 1928, would have won in 40 and 44 with Hal Davis the fastest man in the world, no Oly because of the war....1952, 1956 and 1960. Black sprints won in 32, 36 and 48. So the evidence pretty much told us something we'd find out simply isn't true. And there were just as many black sprinters running as white ones, the Big10 was full of them as was the Caribbean.

Like I said earlier I do think there was some evolution going on, I think most would agree with that. But to think we all came from the sea, that's where the problem begins. It make far more sense that volcano pools gave us the origins of life on earth.

I do not believe in Adam and Eve and all that Biblical silliness.

[spurraider21]

Whites won the...1912, 1916, 1920, 1924, 1928, would have won in 40 and 44 with Hal Davis the fastest man in the world, no Oly because of the war....1952, 1956 and 1960. Black sprints won in 32, 36 and 48. So the evidence pretty much told us something we'd find out simply isn't true. And there were just as many black sprinters running as white ones, the Big10 was full of them as was the Caribbean.
in your opinion, what changed since then? did blacks suddenly become faster or were we just missing something?


Like I said earlier I do think there was some evolution going on, I think most would agree with that. But to think we all came from the sea, that's where the problem begins. It make far more sense that volcano pools gave us the origins of life on earth.
yeah thats another alternative. we also have life way at the bottom of the sea by the magma vents too. chemistry 101 tells us heat is a catalyst. early life would need to have a LOT of chemical reactions going on for it to actually become something meaningful, so a high temperature source is likely. the sea-to-land thing simply makes sense when we are able to go back and date remains, as well as the genetic tree

[Avante]

in your opinion, what changed since then? did blacks suddenly become faster or were we just missing something?


yeah thats another alternative. we also have life way at the bottom of the sea by the magma vents too. chemistry 101 tells us heat is a catalyst. early life would need to have a LOT of chemical reactions going on for it to actually become something meaningful, so a high temperature source is likely. the sea-to-land thing simply makes sense when we are able to go back and date remains, as well as the genetic tree

As far as the sprinting thing goes....

In 1916 Howard Drew pulled a muscle in the heats he would have been the first black to win an Olympic gold, he was a World Record holder. From 1920 we sw three great white sprinters in Charles Paddock, Harold Abrahams and Percy Williams. From 1932 to 1948 blacks did win. In 1952 Remigion barely beat the Jamaican Herb McKenley and to this day many think McKenley won it. In 1956 Jim Golliday a black 9.3 guy out of Northwestern was injured. In 1960 the great black American sprinter Ray Norton had the worst meet of his track career. Then in 1964 here comes that big fast black sprinter Bob Hayes and that was it for white sprinting in the USA, blacks have totally dominated ever since.

I failed to mention the injuries and that close call, so the evidence you saw didn't have all the facts. Is that possible with other things, sure it is.

Notice how you never talked about the volcano pool theory thinking I wasn't aware of it? This is how this stuff goes.

Check this one out...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFi6YXsfY44

Whike I'm no Bible thumper he does makes sense.

[spurraider21]

read this and tell me what you think about this guy. do you think he is qualified to make the assertions he is making?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Baugh

[Avante]

read this and tell me what you think about this guy. do you think he is qualified to make the assertions he is making?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Baugh

An obvious kook.

But why go to the extreme with this? As we see/read there are many well respected intelligent people out there loaded down with degrees and credentials who challenge the theory of evolution. Many were once atheists who switched opinions.

The bottom line is there is enought evidence to support the fact that no we don't have all the answers yet and the only fair way to approach this until we do is to be open to all possibilties. This...."I know for a fact that.."..simply isn't realistic, we don't know anything for a fact when it comes to this.

[spurraider21]

An obvious kook.

But why go to the extreme with this? As we see/read there are many well respected intelligent people out there loaded down with degrees and credentials who challenge the theory of evolution. Many were once atheists who switched opinions.

The bottom line is there is enought evidence to support the fact that no we don't have all the answers yet and the only fair way to approach this until we do is to be open to all possibilties. This...."I know for a fact that.."..simply isn't realistic, we don't know anything for a fact when it comes to this.
i didnt go to the extreme. thats a biography of the guy in the video YOU just posted. one second ago "he makes sense" and now after reading about him he's an obvious cook

[Avante]

i didnt go to the extreme. thats a biography of the guy in the video YOU just posted. one second ago "he makes sense" and now after reading about him he's an obvious cook

I posted that video before you drew attention to who he really is. I then changed my mind.....obviously.

You do know there are tons of others out there saying pretty much the same things about evolution right? For you to try and belittle all of them won't work. Right now you are in this...'but I was taught"...and are closed minded to anything besides that. You do realize more people today question evolution than they did 20 years ago, right? Why is that? Do you think 20 years from now there won't be even less buying into it? How come most people aren't ..."oh yeah, that's wjhat happened."....?

You need to stop with this.."I know biology"...ok? Nobody cares to begin with and it's real obviouis you don't want to think you wasted your time.

[spurraider21]

I posted that video before you drew attention to who he really is. I then changed my mind.....obviously.

You do know there are tons of others out there saying pretty much the same things about evolution right? For you to try and belittle all of them won't work. Right now you are in this...'but I was taught"...and are closed minded to anything besides that. You do realize more people today question evolution than they did 20 years ago, right? Why is that? Do you think 20 years from now there won't be even less buying into it? How come most people aren't ..."oh yeah, that's wjhat happened."....?

You need to stop with this.."I know biology"...ok? Nobody cares to begin with and it's real obviouis you don't want to think you wasted your time.
i dont think that is accurate. can you tell me where you got that factoid from?

[mouse]

almost all the evidence we have right now points to it. vestigial structures like the appendix, whale species with underdeveloped legs...

Those bones are used to help the whale mate they are not undeveloped legs.

You take being a misinformed idiot to new levels.

[Avante]

i dont think that is accurate. can you tell me where you got that factoid from?

I was talking scientists, my bad. And now I can't find......more scientists are now seeing the theory of evolution with a skeptical eye than ever before.

How close to what you were taught do you think was taught 100 years before you? How close do you think what you were taught will be taught a 100 years from now?

[mouse]

Whales do not have a vestigial pelvis.

Those little bones attach to muscles, without which, whales would be unable to reproduce! They have nothing to do with walking on dry land and everything to do with creating baby whales. Therefore, this author is either completely ignorant of whale anatomy and therefore should not be writing about it, or this is malicious and deceitful.

As I have said in the previous articles, having to “imagine” something happened is not good Science.

http://www.halleethehomemaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/whale-bone-300x240.gif

[spurraider21]

I was talking scientists, my bad. And now I can't find......more scientists are now seeing the theory of evolution with a skeptical eye than ever before.

How close to what you were taught do you think was taught 100 years before you? How close do you think what you were taught will be taught a 100 years from now?
ok. even if we arent talking scientists. where are you getting this notion that more people are skeptical about evolution now than 20 years ago?

[Avante]

ok. even if we arent talking scientists. where are you getting this notion that more people are skeptical about evolution now than 20 years ago?

I was talking about scientists I don't know where the general public is on this, you have already made it clear they don't count.

[spurraider21]

http://www.halleethehomemaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/whale-bone-300x240.gif
just because a vestigial structure has a new function that does not mean it is not still a vestigial structure. birds wings enable flight, but their ancestors that didn't fly still had arms with the same general skeletal structure. vestigial just means it no longer serves its original function.

[spurraider21]

I was talking about scientists I don't know where the general public is on this, you have already made it clear they don't count.
scientists or not, i just want to know what you are basing your statement on.

you said they're more skeptical of evolution now than 20 years ago. what are you basing that on?

[Avante]

scientists or not, i just want to know what you are basing your statement on.

you said they're more skeptical of evolution now than 20 years ago. what are you basing that on?

I'll go really really slow, you can do this.

Somewhere out there I came across some article talking about how the science world is starting to question the theory of evolution more than ever before. Many scientists totally changing their minds about it.

Ok ya with me?

Now I can't find where I saw that. As I mentioned already...ok?

You honestly haven't picked up on the fact there are tons of people out there not buying it? Wow~~~~~~~~~~

[spurraider21]

i'm sure there are people that don't buy it. i'm skeptical of your claim about how scientists over the past 20 years have shifted away from evolution

[Avante]

i'm sure there are people that don't buy it. i'm skeptical of your claim about how scientists over the past 20 years have shifted away from evolution

Like I've told you before, you're comprehension skills are weak....honest.

I'm not talking aboiut science shifting away, ok? I'm talking about more scientists than ever not buying it.....ok? We see a larger % of doubt in the scientific world than ever before.....ok?

[Blake]

Like I've told you before, you're comprehension skills are weak....honest.

I'm not talking aboiut science shifting away, ok? I'm talking about more scientists than ever not buying it.....ok? We see a larger % of doubt in the scientific world than ever before.....ok?

Prove it, fatty.

Lol ":cry your comprehension skills are weak :cry"

[spurraider21]

Like I've told you before, you're comprehension skills are weak....honest.

I'm not talking aboiut science shifting away, ok? I'm talking about more scientists than ever not buying it.....ok? We see a larger % of doubt in the scientific world than ever before.....ok?
ok. and i'm asking you where you are getting these %'s from

[mouse]

just because a vestigial structure has a new function that does not mean it is not still a vestigial structure. birds wings enable flight, but their ancestors that didn't fly still had arms with the same general skeletal structure. vestigial just means it no longer serves its original function.

Then post the fossils that shows whales had legs or STFU

[spurraider21]

http://www.rescast.com/Images/specimens/ambulocetus.jpg

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gingeric/PDGwhales/PDGdorudonskel.jpg

http://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/pix/whale_evolution.jpg

[mouse]

WTF are. You smoking ?

The first picture is not a whale the second photo where are the legs

Third photo is a bullshit drawing where are the whale with legs fossils ?

[spurraider21]

WTF are. You smoking ?

The first picture is not a whale the second photo where are the legs

Third photo is a bullshit drawing where are the whale with legs fossils ?
i showed the evolutionary tree of how legged species are ancestors of modern whales. the two fossils i gave pictures of are two of the intermediates. the first one is rodhecetus and the second is dorudon. both are shown in the 3rd image as the whales predecessors

[mouse]

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gingeric/PDGwhales/PDGdorudonskel.jpg

http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Darwinism_refuted/125_Ambulocetus-natans.jpg


Bro stop the embarrassment go back to the Spurs forum.

[spurraider21]

http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Darwinism_refuted/125_Ambulocetus-natans.jpg


Bro stop the embarrassment go back to the Spurs forum.
why are you embarrassing yourself with pictures of artists renditions? im not interested in those. you asked for fossils of whale ancestry with legs, and i provided the proof of them. now you are just vomiting all over yourself

[mouse]

i showed the evolutionary tree of how legged species are ancestors of modern whales. the two fossils i gave pictures of are two of the intermediates. the first one is rodhecetus and the second is dorudon. both are shown in the 3rd image as the whales predecessors


I asked you plan and simple post a fossil of whales with legs not a bullshit propaganda tree
Stop dancing around and back your whales with legs comments

[spurraider21]

I asked you plan and simple post a fossil of whales with legs not a bullshit propaganda tree
Stop dancing around and back your whales with legs comments
whales never had full grown legs. their ancestors did.

[mouse]

why are you embarrassing yourself with pictures of artists renditions? im not interested in those. you asked for fossils of whale ancestry with legs, and i provided the proof of them. now you are just vomiting all over yourself

The photos are from Berkeley wtf are you smoking


http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03



I am now convinced your the biggest moron in this topic.

[mouse]

whales never had full grown legs. their ancestors did.

Let me guess because you saw it in a book somewhere?

When will your lightbulb turn on its bullshit you and your drawings and you have the nerve To criticize an artists rendition that was found on the very Berkeley website your bullshit charts were originally posted at!

[spurraider21]

The photos are from Berkeley wtf are you smoking


http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03



I am now convinced your the biggest moron in this topic.
where did you get this picture from? sure as hell isn't berkeley

http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Darwinism_refuted/125_Ambulocetus-natans.jpg

[spurraider21]

:lmao the URL for that picture you posted...

http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Darwinism_refuted/125_Ambulocetus-natans.jpg
(http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Darwinism_refuted/125_Ambulocetus-natans.jpg)
Darwinisim_refuted

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao the owner of that website...

Adnan Oktar (born 1956), also known as Harun Yahya,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#cite_note-yahyawebsite-1) is a Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people) author referred to as "the biggest propagator of ijaz literature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27jaz)"[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#cite_note-2) as well as an Islamic creationist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationist).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#cite_note-3) In 2007, he sent thousands of unsolicited copies of his book, Atlas of Creation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Creation),[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#cite_note-aoc-4) which advocates Islamic creationism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_creationism), to American scientists, members of Congress, and science museums.

:lmao holocaust denier

and the book he sent to Scientists, Congress, and musuems...

The arguments used by the book to undermine evolution have been criticized as illogical, while evolutionary biologist Kevin Padian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Padian) has stated that people who had received copies were “just astounded at its size and production values and equally astonished at what a load of crap it is." adding that "[Oktar] does not really have any sense of what we know about how things change through time.” [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Creation#cite_note-New_York_Times_1-2)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Creation#cite_note-Enserink2007-6) Biologist PZ Myers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZ_Myers) wrote: "The general pattern of the book is repetitious and predictable: the book shows a picture of a fossil and a photo of a living animal, and declares that they haven't changed a bit, therefore evolution is false. Over and over. It gets old fast, and it's usually wrong (they have changed!) and the photography, while lovely, is entirely stolen."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Creation#cite_note-7)

Richard Dawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins) reviewed the book (later translated into Turkish) noting that it contains a number of factual errors, such as the misidentification of a sea snake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_snake) as an eel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eel) (one is a reptile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile) the other afish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish)) and in two places uses images of fishing-lures copied from the internet instead of actual species. A number of other modern species are mislabelled. He concludes: "I am at a loss to reconcile the expensive and glossy production values of this book with the breathtaking inanity of the content. Is it really inanity, or is it just plain laziness — or perhaps cynical awareness of the ignorance and stupidity of the target audience — mostly Muslim creationists. And where does the money come from?" [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Creation#cite_note-DawkinsReview-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlas_of_Creation#cite_note-9)

[spurraider21]

mouse for somebody who claims not to be a creationist you always seem to spam links from creationist sources

[mouse]

More and more scientists are abandoning this whole whales with legs evolution bullshit everyday.
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[mouse]

mouse for somebody who claims not to be a creationist you always seem to spam links from creationist sources

What do you care were a video or photo comes from unless you have no more lies to back your bullshit whales with legs theories .

You have no debate skills little research skills and is so bent on shoving your bullshit evolution crap you end up looking line a desperate person I sorta. Fell bad you remind me of a Cleveland browns fan you want to be a winner do bad but it's not happening.

You can debate with Avante I can't waste my time on close minded fools with extra thick skulls.

[spurraider21]

recap:

asked for fossils
got fossils
spammed an artists picture from a creationist website
vomits over himself
declares victory

[mouse]

115 pages and still no proof man evoluvef from a fish

Recap that bioch!

[spurraider21]

so now you changed the discussion from the legs of the whale ancestors to the tail of the whale ancestors (the content matter in the video you posted).

so basically you just keep changing the topic and spamming youtubes when things don't go your way

[mouse]

so now you changed the discussion from the legs of the whale ancestors to the tail of the whale ancestors (the content matter in the video you posted).

so basically you just keep changing the topic and spamming youtubes when things don't go your way


People with (at least 86 IQ) who read this topic will disagree with your dancing around the facts.

have you posted proof man Evolved from an Ape? (NO)

Do you ask the same lame questions again and again until you get the answer your looking for so you can say

"Ah Ha" I knew it..... "your a Creationist" your school yard debate skills very annoying

Do you post shit without researching it? (yes)


Your in such a hurry to toss Darwin's salad you don't even see if the shit you post has been debunked.

You really want people with an IQ above 79 to believe Whales once had legs? Dude that is one of the worst examples of Evolution and had made many Scientists regret ever supporting that insane theory.

Then you back pedal with a lame excuse that you was talking about the Whale ancestors?

Speaking of Ancestors lets talk about "your" ancestors..... if at one time you was an Ape why did you lose your tail? The tail is an excellent appendage to have you ever try to open the door with a bag of groceries in each arm? I thought Evolution was to "better" each species to add new information to the DNA not take away from it.

The reason you lost this semi debate (i say that since I didn't take you serious) was because you lack maturity and reason.

A reasonable mature person would have realized they are debating a topic with someone who has been debating this topic for a few years now.


Just the fact I have my own videos so you won't pull the "that's from a creationist website ). Whaaa your a creationist card.
Should have been a redflag right there.

By the way just be glad I'm not a creationist you would really be in serious trouble trying to sell your Darwin bullshit For sure.




What you don't get when you show everyone here at the Club how bias you are in a debate they know from that point on your not here to debate and learn your here to TRoll and push your misguided information on others...why?

I think because you bought into the Darwin bullshit and your to proud to admit "Orgins of species" is the biggest embarrassment to the scientific community since they endorsed asbestos.

Your young so I will give you a pass just pick up what's left of your Darwin loving ass and exit the topic go out with some pride.


If not?

Then post some real evidence my ancestors had gills as they swam around in those warm pools of liquid two Billion years ago.

Or stfu already ..............

[mouse]

mouse for somebody who claims not to be a creationist you always seem to spam links from creationist sources

And that brings you great pleasure......we all "got it" you nailed another Creationist ring the victory bell in your cubicle.

WTF does that have to do with you not posting evidence my great great great great great grandfather was a turtle...... Or a fish with legs depending if I'm off a few million years or so....what the hell I have two Billion to play with I can come up with all kinds of Bullshit in half that time look how much bullshit your able to come up with In four weeks with only using 83 monsters ,4 grams of Cush and time you use (searching for porn)

Look ease........you get just two more posts to finally prove to the Club our ancestors were swinging from a tree when could have been texting.

[spurraider21]

you're so adorable, doing whatever you can to change the conversation from whale legs to anything else :lol

[mouse]

you're so adorable,

About time you redneck a nize!

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/siouxcityjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/45/7454958f-57f6-5895-907f-cd9505dc14ab/51eeee2e1a587.preview-620.jpg



doing whatever you can to change the conversation from whale legs to anything else :lol

hey after 2 Billion years of going from a fish to a real TRoll you deserve some time to read more and post less.

[mouse]

Avante he's all yours ................ help find his red stapler



http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/bored/milton-st.jpg

[mouse]

http://dbprng00ikc2j.cloudfront.net/work/image/575184/d14s2l/20120429005558-pics__302_.jpg

[mouse]

http://dbprng00ikc2j.cloudfront.net/work/image/590802/d14s2l/20120616033936-jesus-bubble.jpg

[spurraider21]

are you just trying to bury the last couple of pages in this thread where you made a fool of yourself?

[mouse]

are you just trying to bury the last couple of pages in this thread where you made a fool of yourself?

feel free to re post it.

[spurraider21]

its fine. continue spamming irrelevant pictures

[Blake]

http://dbprng00ikc2j.cloudfront.net/work/image/575184/d14s2l/20120429005558-pics__302_.jpg

You've posted this picture a lot. I don't get why.

[mouse]

its fine. continue spamming irrelevant pictures

ok


http://yecheadquarters.org/images/Image50.jpg

[mouse]

http://www.valueoftruth.org/atheism/forgery.JPG

[mouse]

its fine. continue spamming irrelevant pictures

http://www.cfz.org.uk/Archiving/BHM%2006/23-05-1996%20piltdown%20man%20hoax%20%28TG%29768.jpg

[mouse]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Cx5YSp-ghS8/TIlSF9OkpGI/AAAAAAAAH24/OIMjVPTGEaM/s1600/Haeckel%27s+embryo+drawings.jpg

[mouse]

its fine. continue spamming irrelevant pictures

http://leesbirdblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nebraska-man.jpg

[mouse]

You've posted this picture a lot. I don't get why.

I always knew you wouldn't.

[Blake]

I always knew you wouldn't.

Neat. it's pretty dumb, imo.

[mouse]

one of my favs :lmao

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/06/new-chinese-dino-bird-fossil-evaluated-cautiously-may-be-faked/
http://doubtfulnewscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/aurornis-xui.jpg

[mouse]

Neat. it's pretty dumb, imo.


Your 'imo' doesn't mean shit.

[spurraider21]

You've posted this picture a lot. I don't get why.
:cry because humans have no purpose and are just serial numbers... without jeebus crust

[mouse]

lucy you have some splainin to do

:lmao

t1o5gcb23lI

[mouse]

ztK-k2PS64c

[mouse]

:cry because humans have no purpose


If that was true we would still be swinging from the trees. Your willing to abandon Evolution now that we have the Iphone 7?

Where is your tailbone?





and are just serial numbers... without jeebus crust

Take that up with a creationists.

[spurraider21]

If that was true we would still be swinging from the trees. Your willing to abandon Evolution now that we have the Iphone 7?

Where is your tailbone?
evolution has nothing to do with a greater purpose... or "meaning of life"







Take that up with a creationists.
i am

[mouse]

evolution has nothing to do with a greater purpose... or "meaning of life"

then why bother crawling out of those warm pools of liquid and grow legs?



i am

let me know how that works out for you.

[spurraider21]

then why bother crawling out of those warm pools of liquid and grow legs?
do you think a tree has purpose when it bends to catch more sunlight? or maybe the ones that do are more likely to survive and reproduce, passing those traits down.


let me know how that works out for you.
its going well. so far the creationist in this thread is just spamming nonsensical pictures

[ezau]

When your having sex with your stepsister do you see your down syndrome sperm trying to penetrate her crusty eggs?


Did you see Stonehenge being built?

Stop your jr high replies and post some real evidence man evolved from a lizard

:lol

Too salty

Where's your Magic Designer?

Why can't he/she/it create another solar system out of nothing?

:lol

[ezau]

Try mixing in a little research with your weak comebacks I don't support creation please don't tell me your not another spurraider or Blake and I'm going to have to remind you everytime I respond.

This clown is asking for research when he only believes in a Master Designer that creates shit up with a magic wand. Where's the proof that a Master Designer pulled everything from his ass and then we'll talk. :lol

[ezau]

:cry god put the DNA on neptune to test our faith :cry

lol

[ezau]

The fact so many in the know struggle with accepting the theory of evolution tells us it is not the slamdunk some like to pretend that it is. There are still questions and uncertainies.

There are more questions and uncertainties with Creationism as opposed to Evolutionary theory. The fact that Creationism wants to explains everything without a single shred of scientific evidence is laughable.

[ezau]

one of my favs :lmao

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/06/new-chinese-dino-bird-fossil-evaluated-cautiously-may-be-faked/
http://doubtfulnewscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/aurornis-xui.jpg

Would have been better if you can post a fossilized magic wand too.

[ezau]

115 pages and still no proof man evoluvef from a fish


Recap that bioch!

I'm actually waiting for a picture of the Master Designer's magic wand. Still nothing after 115 pages, tbh.

[Blake]

Your 'imo' doesn't mean shit.

Neither do your pictures

[Blake]

Take that up with a creationists.

Right. You're a creationist.

[Brazil]

you dance around the question all the time... you claim you don't support creation, you support AD.

but AD implies a designer which you don't support either

you claim to be both theist and atheist at the same time. you won't say there's a designer (an atheist position) and then reject the notion of life being formed without a designer (a theistic position)

IIRC he believes DNA has been brought to earth by aliens tbh

so the designer is a bunch of aliens... there is not ONE designer but a civilization fertilizing earth

[spurraider21]

IIRC he believes DNA has been brought to earth by aliens tbh

so the designer is a bunch of aliens... there is not ONE designer but a civilization fertilizing earth
ok and how did the aliens get THEIR dna? how did they come to be?

[Brazil]

ok and how did the aliens get THEIR dna? how did they come to be?

same question that what about before big bang tbh...

anyway I'd take the god designer vs the aliens :lol

[spurraider21]

same question that what about before big bang tbh...
eh not really... talking about before the big bang can become this whole metaphysical argument about time before time, etc. the universe existed before life did... including the supposed alien life that planted us.

at some point, it boils down to creation or abiogenesis, whether on earth or elsewhere

[Brazil]

^ Anyway I challenge anybody to summarize what dat retard Mouse, king of the debates behind his keyboard with the MIT, belives tbh... His stuff is to say I already stated my beliefs in many threads in the 2000´s and you are too dumb to understand even tho he takes the time to write an essay on wales legs...

[spurraider21]

^ Anyway I challenge anybody to summarize what dat retard Mouse, king of the debates behind his keyboard with the MIT, belives tbh... His stuff is to say I already stated my beliefs in many threads in the 2000´s and you are too dumb to understand even tho he takes the time to write an essay on wales legs...
he'll just say something about how DNA is complex and attach a giant close-up of an eyeball

[Avante]

I don't think enought is made out of how complex DNA is and how unlikely something that complex came about .............BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

I don't think enought is made out of how complex DNA is and how unlikely something that complex came about .............BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
did you have a chance to go back and see mouse melt down for the past couple of pages after being proven wrong about whale legs?

[Avante]

did you have a chance to go back and see mouse melt down for the past couple of pages after being proven wrong about whale legs?

All I saw was you acting like you have no idea how the USA military/foreign bars actually went in your....Rave...thread. Are you really this ignorant about that? This is why I poke fun at you, you really never appear to get things.

[spurraider21]

All I saw was you acting like you have no idea how the USA military/foreign bars actually went in your....Rave...thread. Are you really this ignorant about that? This is why I poke fun at you, you really never appear to get things.
translation: no

[Avante]

translation: no

Why not cool the stupidity then, ok?

Sailors on liberty, enter a bar, here come a flock of girls ..."buy me drink, buy me drink".....nobody there is playing this.."but how old are you?"....when it's real obvious nobody over there gives a damn.

Give it up moron.

[mouse]

http://leesbirdblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/nebraska-man.jpg

Evolutionist. :lmao

[spurraider21]

http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/f/flintstones/graphics-flintstones-999401.gif

mouse. :lmao

[mouse]

one of my favs :lmao

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/06/new-chinese-dino-bird-fossil-evaluated-cautiously-may-be-faked/
http://doubtfulnewscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/aurornis-xui.jpg


We don't have proof birds evolved from dinosaurs so lets create a fake fossil

:lmao

[Avante]

Einstein said something along the lines of.......beyond our limits of comprehension and understanding. I think that pretty much sums it up. There was a time we couldn't explain a lot of things we take for granted today, stuff like gravity, the seasons.

Obviously there was no Adam and Eve and there is some doubt that we all came from sea bottoms. I can see some form of evolution going on, I think we all see that but not to the degree that we all had a common ancester.

Some are into..."prove it huh huh huh"....but most are into..."God works in mysterious ways and it's not for us to know".

[Blake]

but most are into..."God works in mysterious ways and it's not for us to know".

That's dumb.

[mouse]

lucy you have some splainin to do

:lmao

t1o5gcb23lI

:lmao

[Avante]

That's dumb.

Ask your parents of that's dumb. I guarantee they buy into that.

[illmatic]

Ask your parents of that's dumb. I guarantee they buy into that.

With that line of thinking we'd still think the earth was flat.

[Avante]

With that line of thinking we'd still think the earth was flat.

You can be aware of how things are and still believe "God works in mysterious ways". Obviously everyone knows about gravity, and how it all operates.

Think of all those years when us humans had no clue how that old Sun/Moon just hung there. Are we at that stage still when it comes to being able to understand a MasterDesigner? Try explaining the cell phone to us 200 years ago.

[illmatic]

I don't believe God works in "mysterious ways", just like I don't believe in karma or that everything happens for a reason. I've seen too many close friends/family die for no reason and there was no good outcome.

I haven't read all 116 pages on this thread, but Avante, do you believe in the Judeo-Christian God or do you just believe in a Master Designer?

[Blake]

You can be aware of how things are and still believe "God works in mysterious ways". Obviously everyone knows about gravity, and how it all operates.

Think of all those years when us humans had no clue how that old Sun/Moon just hung there. Are we at that stage still when it comes to being able to understand a MasterDesigner? Try explaining the cell phone to us 200 years ago.

You just obliterated your stupid "ask your parents" logic here.

[spurraider21]

Obviously everyone knows about gravity, and how it all operates.
Please, in your own words, define gravity and tell us all how it works. No copy-pasting

[mouse]

he'll just say something about how DNA is complex and attach a giant close-up of an eyeball

Do you ever read your comments before you hit the reply icon?

When are you going to address any of the DNA evidence and stop trying to be another Brazil a person who
Is immature and brings nothing to any intelligent debates.

[mouse]

With that line of thinking we'd still think the earth was flat.

What if I told you Scientits claim the earth is flat would you just accept that without questioning it?

What if I told you I have fossils to prove Noah was real and he lived to be 200 years old would you just go on a few petrified bones or would you question my findings?

Why is it so difficult to understand why many of us question what has been said or printed in a book?

Not everyone who doesn't believe they are here from some apes having sex support creation there is more than just coke vs Pepsi there is sprite dr pepper why must the small minded not grasp that?

[illmatic]

What if I told you Scientits claim the earth is flat would you just accept that without questioning it?

What if I told you I have fossils to prove Noah was real and he lived to be 200 years old would you just go on a few petrified bones or would you question my findings?

Why is it so difficult to understand why many of us question what has been said or printed in a book?

Not everyone who doesn't believe they are here from some apes having sex support creation there is more than just coke vs Pepsi there is sprite dr pepper why must the small minded not grasp that?

You're an idiot and I won't even address your trolling attempts.

[Avante]

You just obliterated your stupid "ask your parents" logic here.

As usual you missed the point. Blake, what really is wrong with you?

[Avante]

Please, in your own words, define gravity and tell us all how it works. No copy-pasting

Tell me in your own words how we got gravity out of....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I'll love to see anyone explain how we came up with something as complex as DNA out of a.....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Tell me in your own words how we got gravity out of....BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Translation: i can't explain gravity and how it works in your own words without copy pasting

[Avante]

Translation: i can't explain gravity and how it works in your own words without copy pasting

Not sure how to talk about it other than how we are were taught. Not unlike me trying to talk about Elvis in my own words. What can I say that hasn't been said?

Stop with this stupid..."in your own words:"....ok? We've all read about all this stuff, who didn't have science class?

What I can't explain and neither can anyone else is how DNA came about without a Designer. Do you honestly brelieve something that complex had it's origins from....BANG!!!!!!!!!!

[mouse]

You're an idiot

Speaking of small minds. Just a heads up when your desperate and trying to participate in a discussion that is above your pay grade watch how you talk to people it only shows your weakness and lack of maturity.

(Try debunking my research make at least let me try and earn the idiot label.)



and I won't even address your trolling attempts.

How can a person who has been here since the 90s has been to countless ST functions and gtgs and has been called mouse at work, on the radio , and in person with Kori and Slomo be labeled a TRoll?

That further shows others how clueless you are about ST, myselfe, and Evolution.

Get all the lame outdated insults out now and when your done do some research and try and maybe act like you know anything about "adult" conversations.

Just a heads up brah

[mouse]

As usual you missed the point. Blake, what really is wrong with you?

If your still asking that question please share what meds your taking or PM me your doctors name. Maybe bring a sample of the dro your smoking to the next gtg.

Blake is Blake

Just like Chump is Chump and RandomLie is RandomGuy

Dude this debate was over after the golden ratio mathematicle codes that where discovered in the DNA.

It's not about Science anymore it's about Religion and Evolution is just that. You have to "believe" in it.

If there was any credible Science these misguided fools would be spamming us with it.

Sit back and let one of them prove we Evoluved from an Ape, they can't but it's entertaing to watch.

[mouse]

Translation: i can't explain gravity and how it works in your own words without copy pasting

Translation: let's keep pulling out the "gravity" card every time we need to change the subject.

Why not talk about mixing vinegar with baking soda when someone brings up DNA mix it up a bit .

[mouse]

Translation: i can't explain gravity and how it works in your own words without copy pasting

Can you explain in your own words how a fish becomes a giraffe?

[Blake]

As usual you missed the point. Blake, what really is wrong with you?

I got your point. But you made the argument against your own point, so all that's left is for me to say you're a moron.

[spurraider21]

Translation: let's keep pulling out the "gravity" card every time we need to change the subject.

Why not talk about mixing vinegar with baking soda when someone brings up DNA mix it up a bit .
i didn't pull the card, Avante brought it up himself :lol. and he can't explain it when called out on it

[spurraider21]

Do you ever read your comments before you hit the reply icon?

When are you going to address any of the DNA evidence and stop trying to be another Brazil a person who
Is immature and brings nothing to any intelligent debates.
when are you going to address any of the DNA evidence?

[boutons_deux]

Read the Lawrence Krauss letter the WSJ wouldn’t run about its ‘science proves religion’ story

“The appearance of design of life on Earth is also overwhelming,” Krauss replied, “but we now understand, thanks to Charles Darwin that the appearance of design is not the same as design, it is in fact a remnant of the remarkable efficiency of natural selection.”

Krauss concluded by writing that “[r]eligious arguments for the existence of God thinly veiled as scientific arguments do a disservice to both science and religion, and by allowing a Christian apologist to masquerade as a scientist [Wall Street Journal] did a disservice to its readers.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/read-the-lawrence-krauss-letter-the-wsj-wouldnt-run-about-its-science-proves-religion-story/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Brazil]

Do you ever read your comments before you hit the reply icon?

When are you going to address any of the DNA evidence and stop trying to be another Brazil a person who
Is immature and brings nothing to any intelligent debates.

:lol

show me when you did bring something intelligent in those debates faggot

Aliens :lol

[mouse]

Actually all life most likely came from something similar to a modern day sponge.

Speculating

And from a Sponge we got a .....





http://www.kcci.com/image/view/-/27566454/highRes/1/-/3o5fuhz/-/img-giraffe.jpg

Supporting Darwin makes you look misguided and foolish, believing a fish became a Monkey is down right retarded.


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[Brazil]

Speculating

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56454966.jpg

:lmao

[Brazil]

fuck... now I'm convinced

https://everestalexander.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/dna-code_design.png

[boutons_deux]

"a fish became a Monkey"

strawman bullshit.

who said a fish became a monkey, other than you?

or who said human descended from monkeys?

which is the same kind of stupidity I read about a Bible humping lady who asked "so why aren't monkeys now turning into human?"

holy shit, you biological evolution deniers one ignorant, bad-faith bunch of stinkin assholes.

[~O~]

A fish became a monkey....yep...lets ignore all the details in between the evolution of becoming a monkey from a fish. The major patterns there are what proves evolution. Other than that, we have been around nearly 2 millions years and for about 1.8 million years, we were to much of dumb asses to record what happened most of that time. Especially of our major physical attributes and knowledge. Then you look at how old the planet is 2250 times older than our known existence.

There much more details..to evolution then a "Fish becoming a monkey". This is what I have to tell my ignorant colleagues and the willfully ignorant all the time. Read a fucking book damn it. People here don't have time to explain it to you because they would have to write a textbook just to show you the details.

Most of all, believing in evolution requires the character of the rational, the logical, and the humble. We can't get through to you if you are willfully ignorant and choose to continuously believe in the bogeyman, people with wings on clouds, and space jesus.

[mouse]

"a fish became a Monkey"

strawman bullshit.

then how did the monkey get here without the fish? Pulling out the straw man card is a way to not to answer the tough questions.


who said a fish became a monkey, other than you?

Are you that thick headed all life "Evolved" from the warm pools of liquid that's your science bullshit go after them.


or who said human descended from monkeys?

no one is this ignorant you have to be TRolling.


pick up a school text book do some bad research.


http://i1.wp.com/www.skepticalraptor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/human-evolution-simple-chart.gif


which is the same kind of stupidity I read about a Bible humping lady who asked "so why aren't monkeys now turning into human?"

Did you answer here or pull out the "straw man" card?


holy shit, you biological evolution deniers one ignorant, bad-faith bunch of stinkin assholes.



And it bothers you. Your Darwin team lost the debate huge years ago with DNA its just taking lots of time to sink in your primitive sculls.

[mouse]

A fish became a monkey....yep...lets ignore all the details in between the evolution of becoming a monkey from a fish.


please enlighten us how did the fish become a monkey? I'm sure you can dig up some old fossils to prove it.

where is the half fish half bird fossil? How does DNA evolve from rocks?


The major patterns there are what proves evolution.

Evolution is a Theory your saying your the gifted human to finally prove it?

show us the evidence.



Other than that, we have been around nearly 2 millions years and for about 1.8 million years,

what evidence you have of that some bullshit book?



we were to much of dumb asses to record what happened most of that time. Especially of our major physical attributes and knowledge. Then you look at how old the planet is 2250 times older than our known existence.

Then how come the oldest tree is in the 1000s of years? where are the million year old trees?

show us the proof or STFU!


There much more details..to evolution then a "Fish becoming a monkey". This is what I have to tell my ignorant colleagues and the willfully ignorant all the time.


And I'm sure they take your word for it. Did you tell them about Lucy and the piltdown man too?

those make great bed times stories.


Read a fucking book damn it.
I think I will...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X9BHQXDKL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg



People here don't have time to explain it to you because they would have to write a textbook just to show you the details.


Translation: We have no real evidence so lets make a good excuse not posting any.


Most of all, believing in evolution requires the character of the rational

And the IQ of a fish.



the logical, and the humble. We can't get through to you if you are willfully ignorant and choose to continuously believe in the bogeyman, people with wings on clouds, and space jesus.

You left out Nebraska Man: the Pig-tooth Man :lmao

[Avante]

Anyone thinking the human brain can be traced back to fish, is an idiot.

[boutons_deux]

Anyone thinking the human brain can be traced back to fish, is an idiot.

fish have brains, idiot creationist

it took awhile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

... but brains, nervous systems EVOLVED, not created.

[boutons_deux]

http://6dollar.threadpitinc.netdna-cdn.com/images/D/Jesus_Lizard_NEW_T_SHIRT_detail.jpg

[ohmwrecker]

Ironic that evolution deniers are the biggest knuckle draggers.

[mouse]

brains, nervous systems EVOLVED, not created.

When will your goldfish brain evolve?

[Avante]

fish have brains, idiot creationist

it took awhile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

... but brains, nervous systems EVOLVED, not created.

Notice how we read.....the first bees....the first ants....yet no explanation about just how that came about and why so many different varieties. There are how many different kinds of spiders, ok explain how that came about.

Only a total dummy like yourself would think....time.....gives us DNA/human brain. So given enought time anything can become something else, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

The thought process appears to be......given enought time we will all change......now think about just how stupid that is. Why will we change, why a need to change? We need to change, because?

[boutons_deux]

The thought process appears to be......given enought time we will all change......now think about just how stupid that is. Why will we change, why a need to change? We need to change, because?

yes, evolution, even of humans, never stops. while some evolution is due to random genetic changes, much of it is due to requirements of a changing environment. eg, notice how people near the tropics and sun exposure have darker skin vs those outside of the tropics, who supposedly are "Out of Africa".

There was study where, IIRC, Polish/East European Jews had actually increased intellectual power and passed it on to descendants in a matter of several generations, over a couple 100 years.

Evolutionary scientist and researcher Al Capp said humans would eventually lose their legs from underuse, evolving to a new physical form he called the "schmoos".

of course, you creationists are NEVER convinced by facts, science, rationality. You're so fucking stupid,ignorant that when something perplexes you, your chickenshit fallback response is the magical thinking, irrationality of "God did it"