The Count of Corona...

[ElNono]

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He can dish it but he can't take it. Right Thread?

Chickenshit, per par

[tholdren]

I really wonder how much fatality data Republican governors are hiding. Fuck man, we bitched about China hiding shit, now it is our own totalitarian party going full on 1984 doublespeak.

I have already run the calcs. Texas hospitals are on a trajectory to be overwhelmed, and that is unavoidable at this point, barring a complete lockdown, which will not happen because the Trump party will not want to admit it fucked up.

Doulbeplusungood.
Lolololo
The quadruple down on wrong.

And a conspiracy to boot.

Hang it up

[RandomGuy]

Uh, ok.

Unless something changes. It isn't hard math. https://rt.live/

1.25*1.25*1.25 three cycles to double the case load. cycle is what? 6 to 9 days.

Austin area hospitals are, with current case load beginning to run into capacity problems.

Texas governor isn't doing the kinds of things that would cut the spreading rate, so the 1.25 figure will hold for a while, until people really take it seriously which it seems they are not.

Did I miss something?

What will change in the next three weeks that will head it off?

[RandomGuy]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

Bliss is not having to read the stupid.

[tholdren]

Unless something changes. It isn't hard math. https://rt.live/

1.25*1.25*1.25 three cycles to double the case load. cycle is what? 6 to 9 days.

Austin area hospitals are, with current case load beginning to run into capacity problems.

Texas governor isn't doing the kinds of things that would cut the spreading rate, so the 1.25 figure will hold for a while, until people really take it seriously which it seems they are not.

Did I miss something?

What will change in the next three weeks that will head it off?

lololol random guy usong R0 again. Math and logic at ChumpDumper level. Beahahahhahahahahhaahhaha

[TimDunkem]

Update (28 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,315
El Nono post count: 130,277
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[boutons_deux]

The spike in SA is probably due to SA thinking, correctly, that it had escaped the March/April worst,

then combined with shitbag Abbott signalling at beginning of May to re-open, and of course, Trash acting like the pandemic was over.

the ST rightwingnutjobs saying "no big deal", SA isn't NYC" proves yet again what fucking, unserious, anti-empathetic clowns they are.

Would they have the same position if they, their family, or close friends got badly mugged or killed by C19?

[spurraider21]

Update (28 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,315
El Nono post count: 130,277
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed... Thread

[Brazil]

He said upstairs about a year or two ago that he used to be an athlete and knows more about basketball than anyone, and no NBA player has any sort of skill.

Now he's a medical expert.

He's honestly like the result of an evil splicing experiment combining the worst traits of the forum's worst posters. It's like someone combined the intelligence of ducks, the fake backstory and relentless lying of Avante, and the unrelenting angry ankle biting of Derp into one ultimate shitty poster.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

lololol random guy usong R0 again. Math and logic at ChumpDumper level. Beahahahhahahahahhaahhaha

Translation:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2F2q229y86QF2niTayPpfa_padded-room.jpg

You are a jibbering idiot.

[TimDunkem]

Translation:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2F2q229y86QF2niTayPpfa_padded-room.jpg

You are a jibbering idiot.

Anyone else surprised the Ghost of March and April who disappeared literally the day SA locked down (after lololol just the flu/10k tops), came back when the curve was flattened, then disappeared again the day SA sent out stay home alerts? :lmao

[tholdren]

Anyone else surprised the Ghost of March and April who disappeared literally the day SA locked down (after lololol just the flu/10k tops), came back when the curve was flattened, then disappeared again the day SA sent out stay home alerts? :lmao

You lied about having it. Lol.

[ElNono]

You lied about having it. Lol.

whataboutism good now. Glad you admit to lying.

[RandomGuy]

Anyone else surprised the Ghost of March and April who disappeared literally the day SA locked down (after lololol just the flu/10k tops), came back when the curve was flattened, then disappeared again the day SA sent out stay home alerts? :lmao

He went all in for the "its just the flu" dunk and got wrecked. Reality bitch slapped him while mathematics laughed.

[BD24]

& if so:::

I'll stand the gaffe.

I never hide my shit.

It's my religion.
Quit hiding Thread. Stand the gaffe

[tholdren]

He went all in for the "its just the flu" dunk and got wrecked. Reality bitch slapped him while mathematics laughed.
How? Ifr was 2x flu at peak, now cases with people less likely to be a covid fatality than win lottery. Ifr dropping and continuing to drop

Lol your math.

[baseline bum]

I'm worried. Thread isn't eating. Might have to put him down.

Update (29 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,783
El Nono post count: 130,348
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

I'm worried. Thread isn't eating. Might have to put him down.

Update (29 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,783
El Nono post count: 130,348
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...wrong

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[ElNono]

I'm worried. Thread isn't eating. Might have to put him down.

Update (29 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,783
El Nono post count: 130,348
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

So are we projecting the Trump's Corona Plague to surpass the Spanish Flu death count, tbh?

[baseline bum]

So are we projecting the Trump's Corona Plague to surpass the Spanish Flu death count, tbh?

Thread's count? Probably. Hopefully it won't catch the official US Spanish Flu 675k count though.

[baseline bum]

Hopefully won't have to add Real Spanish Flu dead: 675k to this post in a few months.

[hater]

Hopefully won't have to add Real Spanish Flu dead: 675k to this post in a few months.

500k by next year is a lock tbqh

I don't see how we can avoid that. Faci already has given up on vaccine. And the couple of "good" treatments are gonna cost 5k a pop. I don't see that changing at all

I guess the only hope is covid gets bored and goes away on its own tbqh. But seeing the spike in the hot summer, even that will take a while

[baseline bum]

500k by next year is a lock tbqh

I don't see how we can avoid that. Faci already has given up on vaccine. And the couple of "good" treatments are gonna cost 5k a pop. I don't see that changing at all

I guess the only hope is covid gets bored and goes away on its own tbqh. But seeing the spike in the hot summer, even that will take a while

Bend over, I'll show you 5k a pop.

[FrostKing]

Los Angeles shutting down the beaches

Youth and Police have increasing rates

When will the protest be shut down?

[ElNono]

Los Angeles shutting down the beaches

Youth and Police have increasing rates

When will the protest be shut down?

Has there been any protests in LA recently? I thought that was all done a few weeks ago.

[ChumpDumper]

Los Angeles shutting down the beaches

Youth and Police have increasing rates

When will the protest be shut down?Why aren't all the white supremacists out there protesting their countless grievances?

[FrostKing]

Has there been any protests in LA recently? I thought that was all done a few weeks ago.
San Diego was protesting over a Hispanic shot by Police for running and pointing gun in broad daylight

[FrostKing]

Why aren't all the white supremacists out there protesting their countless grievances?
We will in the voting booth

[ChumpDumper]

We will in the voting boothIf you close enough polling places and ensure your mail in ballot turn out.

[FrostKing]

If you close enough polling places and ensure your mail in ballot turn out.
Why don't they just mail in?

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't they just mail in?Depends on the area.

[Spurtacular]

Update (28 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 128,315
El Nono post count: 130,277
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

I'm guessing they weren't paying for numbers with H1N1 like with COVID.
If you want to know what a realistic COVID death count may look like, check out that H1N1 number.

[ElNono]

I'm guessing they weren't paying for numbers with H1N1 like with COVID.
If you want to know what a realistic COVID death count may look like, check out that H1N1 number.

Who's paying this administration's CDC for numbers? Soros?

[Spurtacular]

Who's paying this administration's CDC for numbers? Soros?

:lol You don't even know how you're getting scammed.
:lol Willfully ignorant.
:lol TheGreatYacht

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol You don't even know how you're getting scammed.
:lol Willfully ignorant.
:lol TheGreatYacht

Chumpettes enabling the NWO

[RandomGuy]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

I"m there. Dude is the second person I have interacted here that I genuinely think is actually insane.

[IronMexican]

San Diego was protesting over a Hispanic shot by Police for running and pointing gun in broad daylight

This is wrong. It was an 18 year old working as a security unarmed when. Sherrifs came out and pointed their guns at him and he ran. They gunned him down.

[IronMexican]

San Diego was protesting over a Hispanic shot by Police for running and pointing gun in broad daylight

Unless you aren't talking about the one that happened in Gardena

[Will Hunting]

:lol You don't even know how you're getting scammed.
That’s why he asked you to explain it to him. You apparently can’t though.

[Spurtacular]

That’s why he asked you to explain it to him. You apparently can’t though.

He's willfully ignorant. And he supports the removal of information that keeps him willfully ignorant.
TheGreatYacht may want to tell you. It's not like this is a major secret. It's just that ignorant people don't know is all.

[Brazil]

I'm guessing they weren't paying for numbers with H1N1 like with COVID.
If you want to know what a realistic COVID death count may look like, check out that H1N1 number.

:lmao

[pgardn]

I'm guessing they weren't paying for numbers with H1N1 like with COVID.If you want to know what a realistic COVID death count may look like, check out that H1N1 number.

[pgardn]

I'm guessing they weren't paying for numbers with H1N1 like with COVID.
If you want to know what a realistic COVID death count may look like, check out that H1N1 number.

Do you understand we have vaccines. And even if they are not perfect they KEEP MANY people out of the hospital with reduced symptoms. We DO NOT have a vaccine for Covid.

Oh that’s right, antivaccer said...

Carry on Idiot.
You make for excellent target practice.

[Spurtacular]

Do you understand we have vaccines. And even if they are not perfect they KEEP MANY people out of the hospital with reduced symptoms. We DO NOT have a vaccine for Covid.

Oh that’s right, antivaccer said...

Carry on Idiot.
You make for excellent target practice.

So, you're basically calling TimDunkem an idiot for comparing a disease that has a vaccine vs. one that doesn't.
I'm glad I could get that out of you. :tu

[pgardn]

So, you're basically calling TimDunkem (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16114) an idiot for comparing a disease that has a vaccine vs. one that doesn't.
I'm glad I could get that out of you. :tu

if he compares it like you do then yes.

A good comparison would say vaccines are really important
look what happened with the Spanish flu vs. today.
look what has happened with our recent flu’s that we have vaccinations for
they call this coronavirus novel for a reason

I guess you would claim vaccines don’t work since you don’t like my comparison?

[Spurtacular]

if he compares it like you do then yes.

A good comparison would say vaccines are really important
look what happened with the Spanish flu vs. today.
look what has happened with our recent flu’s that we have vaccinations for
they call this coronavirus novel for a reason

I guess you would claim vaccines don’t work since you don’t like my comparison?

I don't claim vaccines don't work. I claim they have serious issues.
I claim the scientific method is ignored in many cases.
I don't claim it as much as I acknowledge there are serious claims out there.
Not sorry that triggers you, Less Than Blake.

[pgardn]

I don't claim vaccines don't work. I claim they have serious issues.
I claim the scientific method is ignored in many cases.
I don't claim it as much as I acknowledge there are serious claims out there.
Not sorry that triggers you, Less Than Blake.

if triggering is using you as a punching bag for your stupid views, please keep posting

of course there are people that cannot be administrated vaccines, but for the majority, they are one of sciences great inventions.

[tholdren]

if triggering is using you as a punching bag for your stupid views, please keep posting

of course there are people that cannot be administrated vaccines, but for the majority, they are one of sciences great inventions.

You were wrong about the virus and you dont understand science or math.

[Brazil]

You were wrong about the virus and you dont understand science or math.

:lmao

oh because you do ?

[FrostKing]

This is wrong. It was an 18 year old working as a security unarmed when. Sherrifs came out and pointed their guns at him and he ran. They gunned him down.
Different event it seems


https://youtu.be/hOIvmOPUwAc

The local protesters chanted about a Black man dying. All false information. Guy is Hispanic and still alive although critical condition.

[ElNono]

:lol You don't even know how you're getting scammed.
:lol Willfully ignorant.
:lol TheGreatYacht

so? once you're done calling for help, who's paying for the CDC numbers? explain your conspiracy theory....

[ElNono]

That’s why he asked you to explain it to him. You apparently can’t though.


He's willfully ignorant. And he supports the removal of information that keeps him willfully ignorant.
TheGreatYacht may want to tell you. It's not like this is a major secret. It's just that ignorant people don't know is all.

still can't explain shit... moreover, doubling down on stupid, thinking you're somewhat enlightened, and calling the other moonbat that can't prove shit for help :lmao

I'm right here, not going anywhere, start spilling the beans... let me know when we get to the joos part

This folding machine to call somebody else willfully ignorant... rofl

[spurraider21]

Different event it seems


https://youtu.be/hOIvmOPUwAc

The local protesters chanted about a Black man dying. All false information. Guy is Hispanic and still alive although critical condition.
imo this one is justified. a lot of distinctions from the wendys drive thru version

- this guy was an armed robbery suspect, not a dunk guy asleep in his car
- he was believed to be armed (armed robbery) so police were reasonable to act as though he did, unlike wendys guy who they had searched
- he's clearly reaching for his pocket as he is running, and he actually did get a gun out

whether he's black or hispanic is irrelevant tbh

[tholdren]

no hopsital has ever been over capcity.

[pgardn]

:lmao

oh because you do ?

I have asked him if he wants to engage in answering science and math questions and he bolts.

biggest fake on the board but now I’m starting to feel reticent because I might be delayed with the 14-year-old.

[tholdren]

I have asked him if he wants to engage in answering science and math questions and he bolts.

biggest fake on the board but now I’m starting to feel reticent because I might be delayed with the 14-year-old.

Lol you don't know how data is calculated

[ChumpDumper]

no hopsital has ever been over capcity.Correct. No hospital has ever been over the Cap City comedy club in Austin.

[tholdren]

Correct. No hospital has ever been over the Cap City comedy club in Austin.

Grammar policing suits you

[ChumpDumper]

Grammar policing suits youThat's spelling, not grammar.

[BSfromTX]

Who's paying this administration's CDC for numbers? Soros?

Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.

[spurraider21]

Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.
link?

these numbers people throw about specifically refer to medicare, not all patients. usually medicare caps payments to 5k for diagnosis related costs, with covid due to the federal relief bill medicare will now pay up to 13k for diagnosis related charges (not 15k).

while its true that medicare will pay up to 39k for those put on ventilators, i dont know if i've actually seen anything that indicates that this is separate for covid and non-covid cases, but i'm open to reading about that

i havent seen anything about deaths

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

[tholdren]

That's spelling, not grammar.

point proven

[ChumpDumper]

point provenThat you don't know the difference :lol sure. That's pretty ignorant of you tbh.

[tholdren]

That you don't know the difference :lol sure. That's pretty ignorant of you tbh.
Again point proven

[ChumpDumper]

Again point provenThat you have a thin skin about looking foolish :lol yep.

[tholdren]

That you have a thin skin about looking foolish :lol yep.

You wildin out on grammar

[Trainwreck2100]

imo this one is justified. a lot of distinctions from the wendys drive thru version

- this guy was an armed robbery suspect, not a dunk guy asleep in his car
- he was believed to be armed (armed robbery) so police were reasonable to act as though he did, unlike wendys guy who they had searched
- he's clearly reaching for his pocket as he is running, and he actually did get a gun out

whether he's black or hispanic is irrelevant tbh

You realize rayshard brooks punched a cop and took his taser right? He didn't get shot for sleeping in his car he got shot for assaulting an officer and taking his weapon.

[ChumpDumper]

You wildin out on grammarYou're melting down over your error.

You were wrong.

th:lolldren

[tholdren]

You're melting down over your error.

You were wrong.

th:lolldren

Lol yes I misspelled a word. It's sad that this is your win.

[spurraider21]

You realize rayshard brooks punched a cop and took his taser right? He didn't get shot for sleeping in his car he got shot for assaulting an officer and taking his weapon.
i do realize that. i'm saying the cops knew he was unarmed. yeah he punched a crop and grabbed a spent taser (cop even yelled that he grabbed his taser, not a gun), and then was shot in the back while not posing any immediate threat to the officers or anybody around them.

i dont think they should be charged with murder tbh, but it was definitely excessive force and should have resulted in discipline/termination

[ChumpDumper]

Lol yes I misspelled a word. Then you called spelling grammar. :lol

Twice. :lol

[BSfromTX]

link?

these numbers people throw about specifically refer to medicare, not all patients. usually medicare caps payments to 5k for diagnosis related costs, with covid due to the federal relief bill medicare will now pay up to 13k for diagnosis related charges (not 15k).

while its true that medicare will pay up to 39k for those put on ventilators, i dont know if i've actually seen anything that indicates that this is separate for covid and non-covid cases, but i'm open to reading about that

i havent seen anything about deaths

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

directly from Methodist ER physician

[Trainwreck2100]

i do realize that. i'm saying the cops knew he was unarmed. yeah he punched a crop and grabbed a spent taser (cop even yelled that he grabbed his taser, not a gun), and then was shot in the back while not posing any immediate threat to the officers or anybody around them.

i dont think they should be charged with murder tbh, but it was definitely excessive force and should have resulted in discipline/termination

The reason that they will get off is because in Georgia a taser is considered a lethal weapon, it was spent but it could still be used to contact stun, and still classified as a lethal weapon. Do i think the officer though that when he shot him, no? but that will be what they argue when these guys get off and atlanta burns again.

[Trainwreck2100]

.

[spurraider21]

The reason that they will get off is because in Georgia a taser is considered a lethal weapon, it was spent but it could still be used to contact stun, and still classified as a lethal weapon. Do i think the officer though that when he shot him, no? but that will be what they argue when these guys get off and atlanta burns again.
i dont think anybody was in imminent threat of serious bodily injury via contact stun though, which is why i dont think it was authorized force

i dont think they'd ever get convicted of murder based on these facts, tbh

[spurraider21]

directly from Methodist ER physician
link?

[BSfromTX]

link?


Sorry, no link. I’m just telling you what I was told. Believe it or not, I’m just sharing. That kind of stuff does exist, so I would not doubt and if so, that would greatly influence the numbers.

[tholdren]

Count of corona


Ifr

Less

Than

Flu


Chumpdump can't argue texas and florida and Arizona all facts.

[Trainwreck2100]

i dont think anybody was in imminent threat of serious bodily injury via contact stun though, which is why i dont think it was authorized force

i dont think they'd ever get convicted of murder based on these facts, tbh

I think they'll try to equate it to a guy running around with an officer's gun. In the eyes of the Georgia law the taser is a lethal weapon, guy punches cop steals his lethal weapon and tries to run away if he gets away he can use that weapon on someone else, I think that's what they'll go with

[ElNono]

Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.

you're saying hospitals are faking death certificates? link?

[boutons_deux]

You realize rayshard brooks punched a cop and took his taser right? He didn't get shot for sleeping in his car he got shot for assaulting an officer and taking his weapon.

he was killed running away. none of his actions, all defensive as the police attacked him, were capital crimes, other than being black male

[ChumpDumper]

Count of corona


Ifr

Less

Than

Flu


Chumpdump can't argue texas and florida and Arizona all facts.:lol still trying to erase your first error

[tholdren]

you're saying hospitals are faking death certificates? link?
Covid can be listed on a death cert simply by symptom. Cdc has listed symptom as runny nose. FACT

[tholdren]

:lol still trying to erase your first error
Erase? How can an error be an error if it is proven correct?

[Trainwreck2100]

he was killed running away. none of his actions, all defensive as the police attacked him, were capital crimes, other than being black male

running away with an officer's weapon.

[ElNono]

Covid can be listed on a death cert simply by symptom. Cdc has listed symptom as runny nose. FACT

You admitted to lying on this, can't take you seriously.

The original conspiracy is that somehow the CDC (not the hospitals, or doctors, etc), run by this administration, somehow has some sort of benefit by having inflated death numbers. That doesn't make sense, much less on an election year.

[ChumpDumper]

Erase? How can an error be an error if it is proven correct?:lol it's not the flu

:lol you said it's the flu

"but did you die" incoming

[spurraider21]

Sorry, no link. I’m just telling you what I was told. Believe it or not, I’m just sharing. That kind of stuff does exist, so I would not doubt and if so, that would greatly influence the numbers.
mmkay

[tholdren]

:lol it's not the flu:lol you said it's the flu"but did you die" incomingI said 2x flu. Which is proven to be less...

[Brazil]

proven ...

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I said 2x flu. Which is proven to be less...You said it IS the flu.

You were wrong.


:lmaoIndeed.

[Brazil]

Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.

also this guy :lol

so your theory is that death count due to covid is overstated ? are you also saying that number of deaths no matter what is the reason is inflated ? :lol maybe there is another virus we are not aware of that explains the huge increase of body count :lol

[boutons_deux]

40K cases/day now, Fauci in Congress expects 100K/day

[tholdren]

:lmao
Goes down every day thanks to texas fl az

[pgardn]

Goes down every day in texas fl az

You should really stop.
The shots to the head have you falling around evidence never running into it.

Goes down every day... The sun goes "down" every day when it becomes night... riveting stuff.

[tholdren]

You should really stop.
The shots to the head have you falling around evidence never running into it.

Goes down every day... The sun goes "down" every day when it becomes night... riveting stuff.
Lolololol you said 2 weeks.



Hospitals not over capcity. You need to stop the lies

[pgardn]

Lolololol you said 2 weeks.



Hospitals not over capcity. You need to stop the lies

I said nothing of the sort.

You mentioning somebody else lying is really sad.
Mild flu boy.

[tholdren]

I said nothing of the sort.

You mentioning somebody else lying is really sad.
Mild flu boy.

lololol already proven. Less than flu in Texas. Unless you dont use math

[ChumpDumper]

Lolololol you said 2 weeks.



Hospitals not over capcity. You need to stop the liesHospitals don't go over capacity. That's the definition of capacity.

[pgardn]

lololol already proven. Less than flu in Texas. Unless you dont use math

In no way proven.
When you mention math, I laugh.

rhymes...

[tholdren]

Hospitals don't go over capacity. That's the definition of capacity.

loloool wrong

[pgardn]

loloool wrong

Again, another excellent explanation.

[tholdren]

In no way proven.
When you mention math, I laugh.

rhymes...

Bwahahahahahha you cant use simple.math to figure ifr. It has been proven. You are not good at math. Also a fact

[ChumpDumper]

loloool wrongIf a hospital reaches capacity, they send patients to other hospitals that have available capacity.

[tholdren]

If a hospital reaches capacity, they send patients to other hospitals that have available capacity.

And then they are over capacity. You are not good with logic

[ChumpDumper]

And then they are over capacity. They are at capacity. They can't take in any more patients.

[pgardn]

Bwahahahahahha I cant use simple.math to figure my age. I have been proven wrong. I am not good at math. Also a fact

[tholdren]

Sadly pgardn is waving white flag.

[pgardn]

Sadly pgardn is waving white flag.

Have you attacked?
I could not tell because all you do is lie?

[tholdren]

Have you attacked?
I could not tell because all you do is lie?

lol white flag again

[pgardn]

lol white flag again

liar

[tholdren]

liar
You surrendered thanks for admitting you had no idea what you were gossiping about

[pgardn]

You surrendered thanks for admitting you had no idea what you were gossiping about

wrong

[tholdren]

wrong

lol your math

[pgardn]

lol your math

its fine

do you want me to give you another math question to fail at?

[Spurtacular]

Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.


you're saying hospitals are faking death certificates? link?

Oh, look; someone told you. Now you're clutching your pearls.

[spurraider21]

Oh, look; someone told you. Now you're clutching your pearls.
:lol no


Hospitals get:

15k for diagnosis
30k for ventilator
65k for death

seems that would influence the numbers.


you're saying hospitals are faking death certificates? link?


Sorry, no link. I’m just telling you what I was told. Believe it or not, I’m just sharing. That kind of stuff does exist, so I would not doubt and if so, that would greatly influence the numbers.
:lmao

[baseline bum]

Thread man, we set a record in Bexar County! And you're almost ready to catch up to ElNono. Prob pass that mojado tomorrow.

Update (30 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,111
El Nono post count: 130,375
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Spurtacular]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) man, we set a record in Bexar County! And you're almost ready to catch up to ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054). Prob pass that mojado tomorrow.

Update (30 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,111
El Nono post count: 130,375
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Why are you comparing outbreaks that have vaccines with outbreaks that don't have vaccines, libertarian blakeline bum?

[Spurtacular]

:lol no






:lmao

You've been shown how it's bribes for numbers and now you're just shrinking.

[spurraider21]

You've been shown how it's bribes for numbers and now you're just shrinking.
i havent been shown anything. he said he had no link, but promises that he heard it

[tholdren]

Wake forest confirmed approx 17 pct nc has antibodies. Uh oh ifr..... ChumpDumper pgardn RandomGuy on watch

[Spurtacular]

i havent been shown anything. he said he had no link, but promises that he heard it

:lol He didn't spoonfeed you enough.

The irony is this is part of the info you support being censored, you fascist moron.

[spurraider21]

:lol He didn't spoonfeed you enough.

The irony is this is part of the info you support being censored, you fascist moron.
you dont know what fascist means

[baseline bum]

Why are you comparing outbreaks that have vaccines with outbreaks that don't have vaccines, libertarian blakeline bum?

Ask Thread dumbass, it's his count. I'm just keeping it updated for him.

[Spurtacular]

you dont know what fascist means


often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocratic) government headed by a dictatorial (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorial) leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition


a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

[Spurtacular]

Also, why are you looking for an easy out, Lite?

He showed you the numbers. Don't cry that he didn't spoonfeed you a link that you cried needed to be censored, you fascist moron.

[spurraider21]

yup. none of those things describe me in the slightest. good job for demonstrating that you dont know what fascism is despite having access to the definition

[spurraider21]

Also, why are you looking for an easy out, Lite?

He showed you the numbers. Don't cry that he didn't spoonfeed you a link that you cried needed to be censored, you fascist moron.
oh. i didnt believe the numbers to be accurate, particularly as it related to deaths. i provided a link that discussed some of the other numbers

[Spurtacular]

Ask Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) dumbass, it's his count. I'm just keeping it updated for him.

Looks like his count was worthwhile before the government started paying for fake death counts.

[Spurtacular]

yup. none of those things describe me in the slightest. good job for demonstrating that you dont know what fascism is despite having access to the definition

Sure it does. You like oppressive govt. that puts certain individuals and groups down and gives power to an autocratic few.

[Spurtacular]

oh. i didnt believe the numbers to be accurate, particularly as it related to deaths. i provided a link that discussed some of the other numbers

What is the 'accurate' death count?

[spurraider21]

Sure it does. You like oppressive govt. that puts certain individuals and groups down and gives power to an autocratic few.
i dont like oppressive government at all, like the ones who actively try to prevent people from voting, sometimes with literally "surgical precision". i also hate that the government we have now puts certain groups down... hispanic and arabic people, lgbt people, black people, etc., or at the very least show indifference towards their disparate treatment

i'm absolutely not in favor in giving power to an "autocratic few" like daddy trump who brags about being a strongman with total authority and threatens to call in the military to silence dissent.

i'm in favor of the constitutional system we have. if you want to claim the office of the presidency in and of itself constitutes "giving power to an autocratic view" then that's a different discussion

[DMC]

What is the 'accurate' death count?

This was the fallacy they tried on me. I never believed the death counts from so many places, but to counter that I was challenged to provide the accurate death count.

[DMC]

i dont like oppressive government at all, like the ones who actively try to prevent people from voting, sometimes with literally "surgical precision". i also hate that the government we have now puts certain groups down... hispanic and arabic people, lgbt people, black people, etc., or at the very least show indifference towards their disparate treatment

i'm absolutely not in favor in giving power to an "autocratic few" like daddy trump who brags about being a strongman with total authority and threatens to call in the military to silence dissent.

i'm in favor of the constitutional system we have. if you want to claim the office of the presidency in and of itself constitutes "giving power to an autocratic view" then that's a different discussion
Lots of hyperbole here. To silence dissent? You mean to protect a city from being destroyed, shop owners beaten and their businesses burned to the ground? That dissent you dishonest fuck?

[Spurtacular]

i dont like oppressive government at all

So you're against all these executive orders that are taking away our civil rights?

[spurraider21]

So you're against all these executive orders that are taking away our civil rights?
which executive orders?

[spurraider21]

Lots of hyperbole here.
no, not really


To silence dissent? You mean to protect a city from being destroyed, shop owners beaten and their businesses burned to the ground? That dissent you dishonest fuck?
the protests were much bigger than the riots/looting. trump has conflated the protestors with the rioters on multiple occasions

[Spurtacular]

i'm absolutely not in favor in giving power to an "autocratic few"

Sure you are. You support all these democrat govs. and mayors acting like they're ruling their own private thiefdoms.
You love it when select judges are allowed to pretend the Constitution says things it doesn't say and legislate from the bench
when in fact they are simply supposed to be a last line of defense against breaking the Constitution.

[spurraider21]

What is the 'accurate' death count?
i'm good with whatever the CDC has, or the data scrapped at worldometer.com

they get their numbers directly from hospitals and/or county officials, who are the only people actually keeping track.

if i see reason to doubt their numbers, i'll let you know

[Spurtacular]

no, not really


the protests were much bigger than the riots/looting. trump has conflated the protestors with the rioters on multiple occasions

Oh, clutch your pearls hard. Rioters were aplenty. And the Democrat response to them is laughable.
They do what they want, and the media crafts favorable narratives.
Again, you love the autocratic system that oppresses your political enemies.
You're a fascist who just hasn't come to terms.

[Spurtacular]

i'm good with whatever the CDC has, or the data scrapped at worldometer.com

they get their numbers directly from hospitals and/or county officials, who are the only people actually keeping track.

if i see reason to doubt their numbers, i'll let you know

What the fuck point are you trying to make? What is your problem with the "official" numbers?

[ChumpDumper]

derp flailing

[pgardn]

Sure you are. You support all these democrat govs. and mayors acting like they're ruling their own private thiefdoms.
You love it when select judges are allowed to pretend the Constitution says things it doesn't say and legislate from the bench
when in fact they are simply supposed to be a last line of defense against breaking the Constitution.

wtf are you crying about.

Omy God, I gotta wear a mask for 20 minutes, they have taken my soul.
Fkn snowflake.

"they tell me to stand 6 feet, i stand 5 1/2, lets charge, free the people!"

[spurraider21]

Oh, clutch your pearls hard. Rioters were aplenty. And the Democrat response to them is laughable.
They do what they want, and the media crafts favorable narratives.
im not discounting that there were a lot of riots/looting. even still, they were dwarfed by the larger protests, and trump conflated them more than once, both before and after his rhetoric for military intervention (which came during a speech he gave just before gassing his own citizens so he could cross the street for a photo shoot)


Again, you love the autocratic system that oppresses your political enemies.
categorically wrong.


You're a fascist who just hasn't come to terms.
you still dont know what that means. dude, you even posted the definition. here's another good primer

In his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco) lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#cite_note-Eco1995-20) He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:




"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism)", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism) and irrationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationalism), and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia) with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism)). Eco also cites Pat Robertson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson)'s book The New World Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_(Robertson)) as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war#In_socioeconomics_and_politics)" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles) to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
"Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

[spurraider21]

What the fuck point are you trying to make? What is your problem with the "official" numbers?
you asked what the number is. i said whatever number those guys have is good with me.

i dont have any problem with the "official" numbers, as i said. i said "if i see reason to doubt their numbers, i'll let you know." haven't seen em yet. i'm ok with giving them a reasonable margin of error

[pgardn]

you asked what the number is. i said whatever number those guys have is good with me.

i dont have any problem with the "official" numbers, as i said. i said "if i see reason to doubt their numbers, i'll let you know." haven't seen em yet. i'm ok with giving them a reasonable margin of error

Its like asking what is the accurate census. You cant get a number on the button it changes constantly.
The numbers are close enough imo but its still and under count as I see it. Now that there is really no centralized federal government to tell the states how they will get numbers. No leadership, no protocol, let the school districts figure it out, it always works better on a local level.

Laughable, USA they chant. What a bunch of BS. Trump humping the flag and he could not give a fck.

[Spurtacular]

which executive orders?

:lol

[Spurtacular]

im not discounting that there were a lot of riots/looting. even still, they were dwarfed by the larger protests, and trump conflated them more than once, both before and after his rhetoric for military intervention (which came during a speech he gave just before gassing his own citizens so he could cross the street for a photo shoot)


categorically wrong.


you still dont know what that means. dude, you even posted the definition. here's another good primer

In his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism", cultural theorist Umberto Eco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco) lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#cite_note-Eco1995-20) He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:




"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism)", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism) and irrationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationalism), and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia) with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism)). Eco also cites Pat Robertson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson)'s book The New World Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_(Robertson)) as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war#In_socioeconomics_and_politics)" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles) to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
"Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.




:cry I'm not fascist cos a guy wrote an essay :cry

BTW, you fall into a lot of those categories at a glance. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol
cool talk

[baseline bum]

Looks like his count was worthwhile before the government started paying for fake death counts.

LOL 9/11 Truther is COVID Truther too.

[spurraider21]

:cry I'm not fascist cos a guy wrote an essay :cry
or because i dont subscripe to any of the descriptions of it, even by the definition you posted. i thought to better your understanding of what fascism is, it would be useful for you to read up on it just a little


BTW, you fall into a lot of those categories at a glance. :lol
which ones?

[Spurtacular]

cool talk

Your point was that you think all the executive orders are democratic.
That's laughable.

[spurraider21]

Your point was that you think all the executive orders are democratic.
That's laughable.
executive orders are a legal function of the executive branch. that doesnt mean i think all executive orders are democratic, because there are legal limits to what those executive orders can or cant do. if they overreach, it's no good. it's not an all-or-nothing paradigm

[Spurtacular]

or because i dont subscripe to any of the descriptions of it, even by the definition you posted. i thought to better your understanding of what fascism is, it would be useful for you to read up on it just a little


which ones?

I think you think if you don't join a political party in an official capacity and work toward the institution of a supreme leader that'll then benefit you, then you you think you'll never be fascist no matter what oppressive stuff you support. This is what Hollywood has taught you.

TheGreatYacht

[DMC]

no, not really


the protests were much bigger than the riots/looting. trump has conflated the protestors with the rioters on multiple occasions

Indistinguishable. One begets the other. Stop pretending you know the difference.

[Spurtacular]

Indistinguishable. One begets the other. Stop pretending you know the difference.

:lol Troglodyte Lite.

[Spurtacular]

LOL 9/11 Truther is COVID Truther too.

:lol That you think "truther" is an insult.

TheGreatYacht

[baseline bum]

:lol That you think "truther" is an insult.

TheGreatYacht

You don't think it's an insult. :lol

[spurraider21]

Indistinguishable. One begets the other. Stop pretending you know the difference.
this is complete horseshit.

they are distinguished by whether or not they provoke/initiate violence

[Spurtacular]

You don't think it's an insult. :lol

It's not. It's not like you don't know about the shadiness of it all at this point either, libertarian blakeline bum.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol That you think "truther" is an insult.

TheGreatYacht

Snowflakery has me blocked. The truth triggers Chumpettes

[Spurtacular]

executive orders are a legal function of the executive branch. that doesnt mean i think all executive orders are democratic, because there are legal limits to what those executive orders can or cant do. if they overreach, it's no good. it's not an all-or-nothing paradigm

Indeed. And last I checked, creating effective laws is not the job of executives.

[DMC]

this is complete horseshit.

they are distinguished by whether or not they provoke/initiate violence

And you could tell them apart. :lol deciding after the fact is a real good means of prevention.

[spurraider21]

I think you think if you don't join a political party in an official capacity and work toward the institution of a supreme leader that'll then benefit you, then you you think you'll never be fascist no matter what oppressive stuff you support. This is what Hollywood has taught you.
speak english

i dont consider myself fascist because i dont support an oppressive government that puts certain individuals/groups down and gives power to an autocratic few, nor can my worldview be described by the the framework laid out in Eco's work, which is held up in the academic community as one of the more apt descriptions of fascism

which of the 14 categories do you claim i fall into?

[Spurtacular]

speak english

'I think you think' is English.

Also :lol at you lashing out that I need to speak English as you don't capitalize it.

:lol Grammar fascist.

[spurraider21]

And you could tell them apart. :lol deciding after the fact is a real good means of prevention.
you can tell both in real time and after the fact

pretending that non-violent protestors and violent rioters are indistinguishable is adorable

[spurraider21]

'I think you think' is English.

Also :lol at you lashing out that I need to speak English as you don't capitalize it.

:lol Grammar fascist.
i made a light jab then gave a substantive response. now you're caught up trying to get into a slap fight.

[Spurtacular]

i made a light jab then gave a substantive response. now you're caught up trying to get into a slap fight.

The fascism thing is a slap fight to get away from whatever we were talking about.
Though in some fairness, it is a loaded word.

[spurraider21]

The fascism thing is a slap fight to get away from whatever we were talking about.
Though in some fairness, it is a loaded word.
you're the one who called me fascist to begin with, then buckled when asked to substantiate how exactly you think i'm a fascist. you even have a list of 14 categories and cant ascribe a single one to me

good talk

[ChumpDumper]

The fascism thing is a slap fight to get away from whatever we were talking about.
Though in some fairness, it is a loaded word.


you're the one who called me fascist to begin with:lmao

[Spurtacular]

which of the 14 categories do you claim i fall into?


1. "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), even at the risk of internal contradiction.

Contradictions abound.


2. "The Rejection of modernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism)", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

Definitely lots of appeals to how great Obamanomics are as freedoms were trampled.


3. "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism) and irrationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationalism), and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

Like right out of your plandemic playbook. :lol TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)


4. "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

:cry Censoring viewpoints good; keeps us safe :cry


5. "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

Yup. Except in the form of "reverse racism"


6. "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

You don't do this one directly so much. But you desperately try to paint your enemies with this brush. So not exactly high ground.


7. "Obsession with a Plot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)"

:cry Muh Russia :cry


8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak."

:lol TDS 101


9. "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war#In_socioeconomics_and_politics)"

:cry Muh Putin :cry


10. "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group.

You may think you don't fall into this category. But you shouldn't underestimate your overlords' contempt of the weak. BLM is corporate funded and enacted at every level. And they have nothing but contempt for their lesser thans and want you to virtue signal so that we can forget this fact.

Also :lol at where you fall at the end of the day in any event.

https://i.imgflip.com/3w6vxf.jpg


11. "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

https://i.imgflip.com/22y76q.jpg


12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

Historically, "machismo" wasn't an aberration distinct to fascism. This point pretty much tells us that the system gets to decide what fascism is. Ironically, you and your mentor have often lashed out, claiming that you don't fit into a narrow definition of definition. But look at this guy just making sh** up for the sake of his narrative. :lol

But I'll say that the left has their own "machismo" at this point. If you're black, gay, etc. you're gold as the fold. If you're hetero white male, bend the knee, bitch. TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)


13. "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."

Black Lives Matter: Heroes at play.
White Live Matter and/or All Lives Matter: Fuck that guy.


14. "Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Mmm. I'm sure you haven't made fun of those "Karens" :lol TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[Spurtacular]

you're the one who called me fascist to begin with, then buckled when asked to substantiate how exactly you think i'm a fascist. you even have a list of 14 categories and cant ascribe a single one to me

good talk

Not at all. I only had time to laugh at you. Serving you your ass on a platter needed to be done after dinner.

[ElNono]

Oh, look; someone told you. Now you're clutching your pearls.

oh look, another "somebody said"... :lol

[ElNono]

:lmao conspiratards

[ElNono]

Thread man, we set a record in Bexar County! And you're almost ready to catch up to ElNono. Prob pass that mojado tomorrow.

Update (30 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,111
El Nono post count: 130,375
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

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[ElNono]

yup. none of those things describe me in the slightest. good job for demonstrating that you dont know what fascism is despite having access to the definition

bro, you're a fascist coz you call out his bullshit conspiracies... :cry why don't you let him daydream :cry

[ElNono]

This was the fallacy they tried on me. I never believed the death counts from so many places, but to counter that I was challenged to provide the accurate death count.

Even mathematically, with a very large error rate (lets' say 30%, which is pretty huge on any data sample), it's still way larger than anything comparable.

For example, derp has said in this thread (out of his ass, because he has absolutely nothing to even remotely ascertain that), that he estimates the covid-related death count should be closer to 20k, which means an error rate of nearly 90% over the reported data.

The implication of that claim is that 9 out 10 medical examiners, doctors, etc across every State in the US are suddenly somehow coordinated in lying and faking death certificates. :lol

It's just such a ridiculous claim, it's fairly safe to just laugh at it.

[spurraider21]

good god, derp, your response was completely divorced from reality...


"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism), even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
Contradictions abound.
at least you start off with a nothing statement


"The Rejection of modernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism)", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.


Definitely lots of appeals to how great Obamanomics are as freedoms were trampled.
what does this have to do with obama? this isn't even talking about freedoms. in what universe was obama's presidency a "rejection of modernism?"


"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism) and irrationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationalism), and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.


Like right out of your plandemic playbook. :lol
no. that is not action for action's sake. we have a pandemic that actually requires a response. pandemic responses aren't arbitrary actions "taken without intellectual reflection." it has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism (disregard for the scientific method) or an "attack on modern culture and science." your'e incoherent


"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.


:cry Censoring viewpoints good; keeps us safe :cry
i'm not pro censorship, but private platforms aren't public forums, and they shouldnt be forced to host or associate with people who's views they are uncomfortable with. i was vocally against the UC Berkley protests when they got the Milo speech cancelled, for instance.


"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.[/quote]

Yup. Except in the form of "reverse racism"
a) white people aren't "foreigners and immigrants"

b) affirmative action, in a vacuum, is inherently unequal. unfortunately, we still need countermeasures for discrimination that still goes on (see the job resume experiment) and for lingering effects of previously legalized discrimination. ideally they wont be necessary for long

c) if i really wanted to turn the tables, the only major political faction that uses racism or a general appeal against foreigners and immigrants is the right... muslim ban, fear of "hordes" of migrants, etc etc


"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.


You don't do this one directly so much. But you desperately try to paint your enemies with this brush. So not exactly high ground.
thank you for acknowledging that i dont do that. whether i claim my adversaries do is completely irrelevant. once again, this is something you actually DO see on the right, telling their good middle class folk that "the poor are coming after you... welfare state, universal healthcare" etc


"Obsession with a Plot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia) with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism)). Eco also cites Pat Robertson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson)'s book The New World Order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_(Robertson)) as a prominent example of a plot obsession.


:cry Muh Russia :cry
yes, russia interfered with our election, and an investigation was held to look into that what extent, if at all, the trump campaign coordinated. i'm satisfied with the results of that.

nothing to do with an appeal to xenophobia (never advocated for expulsion of russian-americans, or curtailing immigration, or anything like that), or a fear of disloyalty from marginalized groups (good example of this in american history was the japanese concentration camps. completely inapplicable to what you are talking about. also no "new world order" conspiracies from my side. look in the mirror though


Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.


:lol TDS 101
trump's power isn't "played up." he's the president of the united states :lol. literally the most powerful man in the world. if you want to water this down to anybody who dislike the sitting president, then go ahead.


"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war#In_socioeconomics_and_politics)" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles) to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.



:cry Muh Putin :cry
when have i ever advocated for war or the ramping up of the war machine... particularly against russia? i have always called for massive cuts to the defense budget. i dont think russia is our friend but thats a far cry from saying they are an enemy to fight. you're grasping


"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.


You may think you don't fall into this category. But you shouldn't underestimate your overlords' contempt of the weak. BLM is corporate funded and enacted at every level. And they have nothing but contempt for their lesser thans and want you to virtue signal so that we can forget this fact.

Also :lol at where you fall at the end of the day in any event
"overlords" :lol. i've never even suggested the existence of "lesser thans" so this is of course nonsensical. when have i called for anything resembling a "fundamentally hierarchical structure"?



"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."


white people virtue signal meme

this is not a response to that premise. you just looked at the word "hero" and stopped reading. this has nothing to do with the glory of death for country or sending people do death.


"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."


Historically, "machismo" wasn't an aberration distinct to fascism. This point pretty much tells us that the system gets to decide what fascism is. Ironically, you and your mentor have often lashed out, claiming that you don't fit into a narrow definition of definition. But look at this guy just making sh** up for the sake of his narrative.

But I'll say that the left has their own "machismo" at this point. If you're black, gay, etc. you're gold as the fold. If you're hetero white male, bend the knee, bitch.
:lmao my hero... :lmao narrative. this is from a book published in 1995.

nobody said machismo is an abberation distinct to fascism, but it absolutely is a part of of. the "strongman leader" or the ubermensch as nietzsche put it was a huge influence on fasism and its what fascist leaders have always held themselves out to be, larger than life saviors of their people.

:lmao thinking gay people represent machismo. simple jack


"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."


Black Lives Matter: Heroes at play.
White Live Matter and/or All Lives Matter: Fuck that guy.

again, non-responsive. who is the single authoritarian leader who is claiming to be the interpreter of the popular will? what you're describing has nothing to do with the definition.


"Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.


Mmm. I'm sure you haven't made fun of those "Karens" :lol
i have. calling people names sometimes isn't the same as promoting an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.


you are either making shit up or just refusing to understand the definitions.

[DMC]

you can tell both in real time and after the fact

pretending that non-violent protestors and violent rioters are indistinguishable is adorable

Bullshit. You think those shop owners got the fucking shit beat out of them thought they were dealing with people that were about to beat the shit out of them? They couldn't tell in real-time why can you?

[spurraider21]

Bullshit. You think those shop owners got the fucking shit beat out of them thought they were dealing with people that were about to beat the shit out of them? They couldn't tell in real-time why can you?
that would require looking into the future. this isn't minority report.

you said that protests and riots are indistinguishable. thats bullshit because one is non-violent and one isn't. just because you cant always know ahead of time which it will be does not render the two indistinguishable. thats why its asinine for the president to conflate them.

[DMC]

that would require looking into the future. this isn't minority report.

you said that protests and riots are indistinguishable. thats bullshit because one is non-violent and one isn't. just because you cant always know ahead of time which it will be does not render the two indistinguishable. thats why its asinine for the president to conflate them.
It's all the same shit. It's a group of people moving together some of them breaking shit some of them killing people some of them beating the fuck out of people some of them only protesting but they're all the same group of people. When the shooting starts the party is over. There's no constitutional right to riot, only to peacefully assemble and that was not peacefully assembling.

[hater]

It's all the same shit. It's a group of people moving together some of them breaking shit some of them killing people some of them beating the fuck out of people some of them only protesting but they're all the same group of people. When the shooting starts the party is over. There's no constitutional right to riot, only to peacefully assemble and that was not peacefully assembling.

You watch too many movies clown.

Its easy to tell if a protest is violent or not. Very easy

[baseline bum]

Thread, you finally beat ElNono. Congrats son

Update (01 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,798
El Nono post count: 130,418
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

Thread, you finally beat ElNono. Congrats son

Update (01 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,798
El Nono post count: 130,418
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

you understand these are only estimated and not true numbers right?

[ElNono]

Thread, you finally beat ElNono. Congrats son

Update (01 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 130,798
El Nono post count: 130,418
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

yikes

[Spurtacular]

good god, derp, your response was completely divorced from reality...

If you want to talk about divorced, much of your responses are bloviating and philoing.


"The Rejection of modernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism)", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

I don't know what tie in you're trying to make. I do recall Obama saying there isn't a magic wand to bring jobs back because he had capitulated to his globalist overlords.


what does this have to do with obama? this isn't even talking about freedoms. in what universe was obama's presidency a "rejection of modernism?"

"Rejection of modernism" is your fallacy, not mine. My point was that you hold up Obamanamics / Obamacare as something great when in reality it's nothing more than highway robbery.
You think that scams stopped because we have "modernism"? As if, Lite.
You think that the elites decided, well the world's fair now; modernism has ushered that in. I'd better start playing fair now. As if, Lite.


"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism) and irrationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrationalism), and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

Anti-intellectualism is the veneer of infallibility that leftists love to grant themselves. The truth is that science is ignored and manipulated all the time by the left. This plandemic is no exception. Real science dictated measured and safe responses. Real science produces real studies for public scrutiny for 5g and vaccinations. You don't have high ground, stop pretending you do. What you do have is institutional control that polices how information is disseminated. And it's very dangerous because it is very politicized.


no. that is not action for action's sake. we have a pandemic that actually requires a response. pandemic responses aren't arbitrary actions "taken without intellectual reflection." it has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism (disregard for the scientific method) or an "attack on modern culture and science." your'e incoherent

Nobody is arguing against responses, philo. The rest of that is word salad.


"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

Yup. Which is why news does only narrowly defined narratives. Which is why legislature debates were called off. And yea, you've created cult followings. People who object are to ostracized and kept from power. Dangerous.


i'm not pro censorship, but private platforms aren't public forums

That's a cop out. These major platforms are public squares. Stop hiding behind private ownership as a means to censor free speech. You will not be on the right side of history.


a) white people aren't "foreigners and immigrants"

Despite the left's incessant calls that the whites don't have a right to this land, amirite?


b) affirmative action, in a vacuum, is inherently unequal. unfortunately, we still need countermeasures for discrimination that still goes on (see the job resume experiment) and for lingering effects of previously legalized discrimination. ideally they wont be necessary for long

Yea, don't have meritocracy. Good idea to make short cuts and reward short cuts. Because there are so many fake racists out there.


c) if i really wanted to turn the tables, the only major political faction that uses racism or a general appeal against foreigners and immigrants is the right... muslim ban, fear of "hordes" of migrants, etc etc

That's not turning tables. Countries should expect their governments to keep the shit out. They weren't doing that in Britain and the people finally said fuck that.
Hillary wanted to created even more shit holes by bringing in another million welfare recipients. That's always been a nationalistic concept. There were some societies that have flourished with melting pots, such as 16th century Holland. But they were community minded, not narcissistic douche bags that are being cultivated in our system that is owed handouts.


thank you for acknowledging that i dont do that. whether i claim my adversaries do is completely irrelevant. once again, this is something you actually DO see on the right, telling their good middle class folk that "the poor are coming after you... welfare state, universal healthcare" etc

The poor aren't "the problem". But they're not the solution either. They're cogs for the elites, pure and simple. And bringing more in just makes it harder for our poor to advance, because it's the basic inflation concept. We devalue our own poor by bringing much more in. This is why Americanized Mexicans want immigration enforced. And long term, these illegals aren't going to be a sure thing for Democrats. Today's illegal Mexicans are tomorrow's Republicans. It may take a generation or so to shift that balance red, but it will happen. Handout culture only works as long as you have something to hand out.


yes, russia interfered with our election, and an investigation was held to look into that what extent, if at all, the trump campaign coordinated. i'm satisfied with the results of that.

Because it was a distraction from real issues. This is a standard ploy. Only the losers are satisfied.


when have i ever advocated for war or the ramping up of the war machine... particularly against russia? i have always called for massive cuts to the defense budget. i dont think russia is our friend but thats a far cry from saying they are an enemy to fight. you're grasping

You've went to the wall for Obama, Hillary, Biden. I know you want to divorce yourself from their war hawking. You can't. You're "grasping" if you think you can.


"overlords" :lol. i've never even suggested the existence of "lesser thans" so this is of course nonsensical. when have i called for anything resembling a "fundamentally hierarchical structure"?

Yea, and I explicitly made the point that even if that's not how you view matters, that is how your overlords do view it. Only idiots think that it's a race battle and not a class battle. Feudalism didn't just go away altogether. Sure, modern advancements have helped even the playing field. But the concept of nobility wasn't just altogether done away with. We have it in America even if we don't want to admit it.


"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

this is not a response to that premise. you just looked at the word "hero" and stopped reading. this has nothing to do with the glory of death for country or sending people do death.

Yea, swing and a miss. I was never making it about dealing with war. I was speaking to the virtue signaling for hero points that everyone is trying to do now. It's rewarded; anyone that doesn't conform is vilinized. You see the problem, Lite?


nobody said machismo is an abberation distinct to fascism, but it absolutely is a part of of. the "strongman leader" or the ubermensch as nietzsche put it was a huge influence on fasism and its what fascist leaders have always held themselves out to be, larger than life saviors of their people.

Then I guess the US was fascist AF under FDR and Lincoln. Because they exerted more "strongman leader" tactics than possibly anyone in our history. You see how this an utterly convenient point for the left? TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)



:lmao thinking gay people represent machismo. simple jack


IIRC, I put it in quotes. But the point is that machismo has always been about signaling. The value of signaling hasn't changed, just the parameters.
Being a beta homosexual is great for the fascist system. They're great foot soldiers for the left. And the system has created inbuilt defenses that anyone that calls this out is a homophobe and must not be listened to under any circumstances.


"Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.


i have. calling people names sometimes isn't the same as promoting an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.


you are either making shit up or just refusing to understand the definitions.



Don't lash out. I read a lot on the page about what newspeak is so that I could understand what is meant by it.
I think that you are the one that maybe doesn't undertand it.
Essentially, it's jargon that is designed to signal whether one is 'one of us' or not.
All these fake Karen videos coming online to promote narratives, that's not a coincidence, Lite.
It's an effective political campaign. It made potential fighters have to do a double take on whether they wanted to fight this plandemic,
for fear of being made to look bad. TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)

[baseline bum]

Update (02 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 131,485
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[SnakeBoy]

RIP Herman Cain

9-9-9 was an under-rated idea

[tholdren]

covid new ifr... uh oh RandomGuyand ChumpDumper

[boutons_deux]

RIP Herman Cain

9-9-9 was an under-rated idea

his case is "serious", explaining why he is in hospital

[tholdren]

States pushing to attribute covid deaths to people who did not seek medical treatment during lockdown.

This going to go on forever. Masks in public forever. Sad day

[baseline bum]

Update (03 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 132,087
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

States pushing to attribute covid deaths to people who did not seek medical treatment during lockdown.

This going to go on forever. Masks in public forever. Sad day
Baseline bum

[baseline bum]

Update (04 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 132,302
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

States pushing to attribute covid deaths to people who did not seek medical treatment during lockdown.

This going to go on forever. Masks in public forever. Sad day

Yet florida data shows ifr less than flu. How about that data

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[ChumpDumper]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.He's been reduced to mumbling to himself about how all the blacks and coaches and scouts and managers and agents and cheerleaders and hot dog vendors kept him from going pro.

[boutons_deux]

He's been reduced to mumbling to himself about how all the blacks and coaches and scouts and managers and agents and cheerleaders and hot dog vendors kept him from going pro.

why even respond to his or her shit? why the pissing matches with that person?

[pgardn]

Yet florida data shows ifr less than flu. How about that data

Doctors are getting better at treating it.
It changes all the time, it has gotten worse in places where overflow goes into facilities that do not have proper care now that we are getting better.
Less than flu; total bullshit.

Mild flu... idiot.

[pgardn]

why even respond to his or her shit? why the pissing matches with that person?

It brings in other posters, Trumpsters, that quote him.
That will eventually stop as it is backing them into a corner of shame.
It will eventually get on ignore.

[tholdren]

Doctors are getting better at treating it.
It changes all the time, it has gotten worse in places where overflow goes into facilities that do not have proper care now that we are getting better.
Less than flu; total bullshit.

Mild flu... idiot.

Less than flu in TX az fl. Faxts

[pgardn]

Less than flu in TX az fl. Faxts

Very wrong.
Worse than very wrong.

[tholdren]

Very wrong.
Worse than very wrong.

no and it's even better because
You were wrong
And you can't do math to figure the facts out

L o lllllllllllllll

[pgardn]

no and it's even better because
You were wrong
And you can't do math to figure the facts out

L o lllllllllllllll

why not bwhaahahahha?

[tholdren]

why not bwhaahahahha?

Your math is funnier than bwahahaaha and deserved an L o llllllllllllll

Sad you dont know that

[pgardn]

Your math is funnier than bwahahaaha and deserved an L o llllllllllllll

Sad you dont know that

You dont know what math is.

[tholdren]

You dont know what math is.

Lol

You are just angry that trump was right about the virus and you were not.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol

You are just angry that trump was right about the virus and you were not.?

He was wrong. He's still wrong. So are you.:lol

[baseline bum]

?

He was wrong. He's still wrong. So are you.:lol

What a fucking moron. Mr 15 going to zero being right about the virus? :lmao

Only off by about what, 3 million so far?

[baseline bum]

What math program did Dr Tholdren learn that 3,000,000 = 0?

[tholdren]

What math program did Dr Tholdren learn that 3,000,000 = 0?

Ifr

[ChumpDumper]

I F:lolldRen

[tholdren]

Ifr still less than flu in TX az fl

Facts are facts

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren still trying to deny his shame.

[tholdren]

th:lolldren still trying to deny his shame.
Still gossiping. Figures.

Please tell me ifr of those states. Will wait.
Also show your math.

[ChumpDumper]

Still gossiping. Figures.

Please tell me ifr of those states. Will wait.
Also show your math.:lmao you never showed your math once.

You never provided any links when you were confirming your bias.

You never went pro.

[tholdren]

:lmao you never showed your math once.

You never provided any links when you were confirming your bias.

You never went pro.
Lol no math. Lolololl you can't figure out how ifr is calculated with the current prevalence and pct pos rates. Yet you just gossip. Lolololol

How sad

[ChumpDumper]

Lol no math.Yep, you never showed your math.

Not once.

That's how we know you're lying.:tu

[spurraider21]

ok. that has nothing to do with a "rejection of modernism" so you keep failing to make a point.

[quote]"Rejection of modernism" is your fallacy, not mine. My point was that you hold up Obamanamics / Obamacare as something great when in reality it's nothing more than highway robbery.
it's not "my fallacy." it's not a fallacy at all. its one of the foundational descriptions of fascism


You think that scams stopped because we have "modernism"? As if, Lite.

You think that the elites decided, well the world's fair now; modernism has ushered that in. I'd better start playing fair now. As if, Lite.
again, this is a non-point. you just dont want to engage with the "rejection of modernism" because you dont think it's relevant. if that's the case, just say that you dont believe that a rejection of modernism is a descriptor of fascism, instead of somehow trying to argue obama rejected modernism without actually pointing to an example of that.



Anti-intellectualism is the veneer of infallibility that leftists love to grant themselves. The truth is that science is ignored and manipulated all the time by the left. This plandemic is no exception. Real science dictated measured and safe responses. Real science produces real studies for public scrutiny for 5g and vaccinations. You don't have high ground, stop pretending you do. What you do have is institutional control that polices how information is disseminated. And it's very dangerous because it is very politicized.
your talk about the plandemic, 5g, etc is a great example of anti-intellectualism. anti-intellectualism is defined as the dismissal of art, literature, and/or science as impractical and politically motivated. which is exactly what you are doing


Yup. Which is why news does only narrowly defined narratives. Which is why legislature debates were called off. And yea, you've created cult followings. People who object are to ostracized and kept from power. Dangerous.
the news doesnt call disagreement with them treason


That's a cop out. These major platforms are public squares. Stop hiding behind private ownership as a means to censor free speech. You will not be on the right side of history.
they aren't public squares if they aren't public. if you think the government needs to step in and annex twitter and facebook as arms of the state and regulate them as they see fit, that's your prerogative


Despite the left's incessant calls that the whites don't have a right to this land, amirite?
yes, despite that, "white people" would not be accurately defined as "foreigners and immigrants" in the context of american politics


Yea, don't have meritocracy. Good idea to make short cuts and reward short cuts. Because there are so many fake racists out there.
that's under the assumption that we are living in a true meritocracy, despite studies in multiple areas showing that it is not the case, and that black people, specifically, have more obstacles than any other group


That's not turning tables. Countries should expect their governments to keep the shit out. They weren't doing that in Britain and the people finally said fuck that.
Hillary wanted to created even more shit holes by bringing in another million welfare recipients. That's always been a nationalistic concept. There were some societies that have flourished with melting pots, such as 16th century Holland. But they were community minded, not narcissistic douche bags that are being cultivated in our system that is owed handouts.
doesnt change that the right functionally uses racism or a general appeal against foreigners. you can argue that they are right to do that for the reasons stated above. that doesnt change that it's what they do. you're allowed to be an apologist for fascist tendencies


The poor aren't "the problem". But they're not the solution either. They're cogs for the elites, pure and simple. And bringing more in just makes it harder for our poor to advance, because it's the basic inflation concept. We devalue our own poor by bringing much more in. This is why Americanized Mexicans want immigration enforced. And long term, these illegals aren't going to be a sure thing for Democrats. Today's illegal Mexicans are tomorrow's Republicans. It may take a generation or so to shift that balance red, but it will happen. Handout culture only works as long as you have something to hand out.
again, doesnt change that the right warns the middle class that the poor are coming after them via healthcare, college tuition, etc


Because it was a distraction from real issues. This is a standard ploy. Only the losers are satisfied.
became a distraction because trump kept overreacting to it, fired comey when it was a relatively quiet investigation, only fueling the speculative fire. became a distraction because trump associates kept lying to investigators


You've went to the wall for Obama, Hillary, Biden. I know you want to divorce yourself from their war hawking. You can't. You're "grasping" if you think you can.
voting for a candidate (i voted for obama once, romney once) is not an endorsement of every decision they ever go on to make. i've never advocated for armed conflict with russia or anybody else.


Yea, and I explicitly made the point that even if that's not how you view matters, that is how your overlords do view it. Only idiots think that it's a race battle and not a class battle. Feudalism didn't just go away altogether. Sure, modern advancements have helped even the playing field. But the concept of nobility wasn't just altogether done away with. We have it in America even if we don't want to admit it.
of course there is an economic hierarchy in a capitalist society, that's a necessary outcome of it. social democracy and the policy positions therein aim to mitigate those gaps while preserving the capitalist structure (wherein business owners can still profit off the labor of employees). but that's not even what you are talking about... you said BLM despises their lesser thans. do you think the typical BLM activist, a black person likely under 35, is part of the ruling class looking down on poor people?


Yea, swing and a miss. I was never making it about dealing with war. I was speaking to the virtue signaling for hero points that everyone is trying to do now. It's rewarded; anyone that doesn't conform is vilinized. You see the problem, Lite?
the virtue signaling point is irrelevant when talking about the "cult of death" or glorifying death for the nation.


Then I guess the US was fascist AF under FDR and Lincoln. Because they exerted more "strongman leader" tactics than possibly anyone in our history. You see how this an utterly convenient point for the left?
taking bold action or instituting sweeping reforms =/= "strongman leader" tactics.


IIRC, I put it in quotes. But the point is that machismo has always been about signaling. The value of signaling hasn't changed, just the parameters.
Being a beta homosexual is great for the fascist system. They're great foot soldiers for the left. And the system has created inbuilt defenses that anyone that calls this out is a homophobe and must not be listened to under any circumstances.
yes, machismo is about signaling, but a very specific kind of signaling. not being gay or trans :lmao


Don't lash out. I read a lot on the page about what newspeak is so that I could understand what is meant by it.
I think that you are the one that maybe doesn't undertand it.
Essentially, it's jargon that is designed to signal whether one is 'one of us' or not.
All these fake Karen videos coming online to promote narratives, that's not a coincidence, Lite.
It's an effective political campaign. It made potential fighters have to do a double take on whether they wanted to fight this plandemic,
for fear of being made to look bad.
i would agree that the widespread "karen" meme is an example of it

you dont have to keep tagging TGY for emotional support

[RandomGuy]

ok. that has nothing to do with a "rejection of modernism" so you keep failing to make a point.


it's not "my fallacy." it's not a fallacy at all. its one of the foundational descriptions of fascism


again, this is a non-point. you just dont want to engage with the "rejection of modernism" because you dont think it's relevant. if that's the case, just say that you dont believe that a rejection of modernism is a descriptor of fascism, instead of somehow trying to argue obama rejected modernism without actually pointing to an example of that.



your talk about the plandemic, 5g, etc is a great example of anti-intellectualism. anti-intellectualism is defined as the dismissal of art, literature, and/or science as impractical and politically motivated. which is exactly what you are doing


the news doesnt call disagreement with them treason


they aren't public squares if they aren't public. if you think the government needs to step in and annex twitter and facebook as arms of the state and regulate them as they see fit, that's your prerogative


yes, despite that, "white people" would not be accurately defined as "foreigners and immigrants" in the context of american politics


that's under the assumption that we are living in a true meritocracy, despite studies in multiple areas showing that it is not the case, and that black people, specifically, have more obstacles than any other group


doesnt change that the right functionally uses racism or a general appeal against foreigners. you can argue that they are right to do that for the reasons stated above. that doesnt change that it's what they do. you're allowed to be an apologist for fascist tendencies


again, doesnt change that the right warns the middle class that the poor are coming after them via healthcare, college tuition, etc


became a distraction because trump kept overreacting to it, fired comey when it was a relatively quiet investigation, only fueling the speculative fire. became a distraction because trump associates kept lying to investigators


voting for a candidate (i voted for obama once, romney once) is not an endorsement of every decision they ever go on to make. i've never advocated for armed conflict with russia or anybody else.


of course there is an economic hierarchy in a capitalist society, that's a necessary outcome of it. social democracy and the policy positions therein aim to mitigate those gaps while preserving the capitalist structure (wherein business owners can still profit off the labor of employees). but that's not even what you are talking about... you said BLM despises their lesser thans. do you think the typical BLM activist, a black person likely under 35, is part of the ruling class looking down on poor people?


the virtue signaling point is irrelevant when talking about the "cult of death" or glorifying death for the nation.


taking bold action or instituting sweeping reforms =/= "strongman leader" tactics.


yes, machismo is about signaling, but a very specific kind of signaling. not being gay or trans :lmao


i would agree that the widespread "karen" meme is an example of it

you dont have to keep tagging TGY for emotional support

Once you hear the "5G" is related to this... that is how you know you are dealing with an insane person.

[RandomGuy]

I F:lolldRen

heh. Props. That was clever.

[tholdren]

Yep, you never showed your math.

Not once.

That's how we know you're lying.:tu

you know I'm lying, but rhe cdc data is falling in line with my data. 2x flu.

Lololol

Fl tx az less than. Those be the facts. And you won't know how that can be. Hilarious.

[ChumpDumper]

you know I'm lying, but rhe cdc data is falling in line with my data. 2x flu.

Lololol

Fl tx az less than. Those be the facts. And you won't know how that can be. Hilarious.Show your math.

[tholdren]

Show your math.

You let someone shame you. Lololl

Then you got.on the internet looking for sympathy


You are karen.

Lololool

Shame on you

[midnightpulp]

You let someone shame you. Lololl

Then you got.on the internet looking for sympathy


You are karen.

Lololool

Shame on you

Show your math.

[ChumpDumper]

You let someone shame you. Lololl

Then you got.on the internet looking for sympathy


You are karen.

Lololool

Shame on youI F:lolldRen

[tholdren]

You let someone shame you. Lololl

Then you got.on the internet looking for sympathy


You are karen.

Lololool

Shame on you
Shame sympathy

[ChumpDumper]

th:loldren quoting himself for sympathy

[tholdren]

Florida just released seroprevalence study from april 11x higher than case count.


BWAHAHAHhhHHHHHHHhH


whoops ifr.

[tholdren]

Florida just released seroprevalence study from april 11x higher than case count.


BWAHAHAHhhHHHHHHHhH


whoops ifr.

But ChumpDumper how can that be? Lololol wrogndomGuy. Where are you? Lolololol

Det math do

[ChumpDumper]

I F:lolldRen quoting his own gossip

Sad.

[midnightpulp]

Let's show some math. You can estimate true infection rate by looking at seroprevalence. Arizona is at 3.4% prevalence right now.

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

Their low prevalence rate explains why their new case positive rate is so high. Not that many have gotten the virus in AZ until now. So:

7 million x 3.4%=238000

Arizona's official case number is 101,000. So Arizona's "true" spread is about 2.3x higher than the official tally. This number seems reasonable given the low prevalence. Now let's extract the IFR from that number.

1810/238000 = .007. About 7x higher than the flu's IFR.

th:lollden

[tholdren]

Florida just released seroprevalence study from april 11x higher than case count.


BWAHAHAHhhHHHHHHHhH


whoops ifr.

Nwhahahahhah ChumpDumper saying this isn't real. He's chalking it up to a conspiracy theory. Well thats hypocrisy. Oh....

Lol he was shamed and ae to spirstalk to get sympathy

[tholdren]

Let's show some math. You can estimate true infection rate by looking at seroprevalence. Arizona is at 3.4% prevalence right now.

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

Their low prevalence rate explains why their new case positive rate is so high. Not that many have gotten the virus in AZ until. So:

7 million x 3.4%=238000

Arizona's official case number is 101,000. So Arizona's "true" spread is about 2.3x higher than the official tally. This number seems reasonable given the low prevalence. Now let's extract the IFR from that number.

1810/238000 = .007. About 7x higher than the flu's IFR.

th:lollden

bwahahahahha not even how it works
Bwahahahahahhahahhaha


Look at that math.


Hilarious posters pretending to know how to.calculate.

[midnightpulp]

Nwhahahahhah ChumpDumper saying this isn't real. He's chalking it up to a conspiracy theory. Well thats hypocrisy. Oh....

Lol he was shamed and ae to spirstalk to get sympathy

:lmao April

[midnightpulp]

bwahahahahha not even how it works
Bwahahahahahhahahhaha


Look at that math.


Hilarious posters pretending to know how to.calculate.

That's exactly how it works.

Show your math.

[ChumpDumper]

bwahahahahha not even how it works
Bwahahahahahhahahhaha


Look at that math.


Hilarious posters pretending to know how to.calculate.:lol It's amazing how afraid you are to show your math.

[baseline bum]

:lol It's amazing how afraid you are to show your math.

Dr. Tholdren Ph.D really should publish

[midnightpulp]

Is this guy a troll, real talk? Telling me how "that's not how you calculate prevalence from serotesting." Um, his own (April) South Florida example where he says South Florida's prevalence was 11x higher than the official count. Let's see how they arrived at that figure.

At the time, South Florida had around 10,000 cases with a 1.13 percent seroprevalence. South Florida's population is 10 million. 10 million x 1.13 is 113000. So, um, yeah. 11x the official case count. I did the same for AZ. Seroprevalence percent x total population.

[benefactor]

Is this guy a troll, real talk?
Yes

[RandomGuy]

Is this guy a troll, real talk? Telling me how "that's not how you calculate prevalence from serotesting." Um, his own (April) South Florida example where he says South Florida's prevalence was 11x higher than the official count. Let's see how they arrived at that figure.

At the time, South Florida had around 10,000 cases with a 1.13 percent seroprevalence. South Florida's population is 10 million. 10 million x 1.13 is 113000. So, um, yeah. 11x the official case count. I did the same for AZ. Seroprevalence percent x total population.

He is a troll.

I used to think he was almost smart, because every once in a while he would post something a bit longer, but if you google some of those posts a good half of them end up being un-sourced quotes.

"L", "O", "B", "A", and "H" seems to be about his level. Ask him for a source, you get "LOL BAHAHAHAHA" ask him for math you get "LOL BHAHAHAHAHAHA" ask him for his reasoning you get "LOL BHAHAHAHA"

Someone remarked that he has the shittiest aspects of a lot of shitty posters, and the general consensus is that he combines the worst of all of them, i.e. "avante's self-aggrandizing" and the average conspiracy theorists' bad reasoning and unsourced bullshit.

[baseline bum]

Time for Thread's shit sandwich.

Update (06 July 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 132,961
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[RandomGuy]

Is this guy a troll, real talk? Telling me how "that's not how you calculate prevalence from serotesting." Um, his own (April) South Florida example where he says South Florida's prevalence was 11x higher than the official count. Let's see how they arrived at that figure.

At the time, South Florida had around 10,000 cases with a 1.13 percent seroprevalence. South Florida's population is 10 million. 10 million x 1.13 is 113000. So, um, yeah. 11x the official case count. I did the same for AZ. Seroprevalence percent x total population.


He said upstairs about a year or two ago that he used to be an athlete and knows more about basketball than anyone, and no NBA player has any sort of skill.

Now he's a medical expert.

He's honestly like the result of an evil splicing experiment combining the worst traits of the forum's worst posters. It's like someone combined the intelligence of ducks, the fake backstory and relentless lying of Avante, and the unrelenting angry ankle biting of Derp into one ultimate shitty poster.

The general consensus.

[TimDunkem]

Bwahaha th:lolldren pwned again :lol

[vy65]

Let's show some math. You can estimate true infection rate by looking at seroprevalence. Arizona is at 3.4% prevalence right now.

https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php

Their low prevalence rate explains why their new case positive rate is so high. Not that many have gotten the virus in AZ until now. So:

7 million x 3.4%=238000

Arizona's official case number is 101,000. So Arizona's "true" spread is about 2.3x higher than the official tally. This number seems reasonable given the low prevalence. Now let's extract the IFR from that number.

1810/238000 = .007. About 7x higher than the flu's IFR.

th:lollden

I don’t know if we’re accurately counting prevalence. This article seems to shit on the idea: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87307

Full disclosure: I only got the general concept from the article and could be totally misreading it.

[tholdren]

Is this guy a troll, real talk? Telling me how "that's not how you calculate prevalence from serotesting." Um, his own (April) South Florida example where he says South Florida's prevalence was 11x higher than the official count. Let's see how they arrived at that figure.

At the time, South Florida had around 10,000 cases with a 1.13 percent seroprevalence. South Florida's population is 10 million. 10 million x 1.13 is 113000. So, um, yeah. 11x the official case count. I did the same for AZ. Seroprevalence percent x total population.

Beahahahahhahahah no. Your math is as good as wrongdomGuy


At least you tried and failed

[ChumpDumper]

Beahahahahhahahah no. Your math is as good as wrongdomGuy


At least you tried and failedShow your math.

[tholdren]

Show your math.

f5 2 seconds after I post and you claim not to be triggered. Lol your math


Hospitals lol


Daily cases



Lol