The Count of Corona...

[Trainwreck2100]

we hittin' 80 today boys? The weekend is notoriously under counted because the CDC takes it off

[Splits]

Update (9 May 2020):::
T
rump's Corona Plague dead: 78,615
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[baseline bum]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXiIb7JVcAARr0k?format=jpg&name=large

rofl

[Splits]

Fuck just noticed the Trump's Corona Plague Death Count has passed my post count. Grim numbers. Will pass ChumpDumper (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=153)'s post count maybe early June. Hopefully doesn't pass Marcus Bryant (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5)'s postcount before we get a vaccine tho.

jesus. Goin’ in raw, sans lube

[baseline bum]

we hittin' 80 today boys? The weekend is notoriously under counted because the CDC takes it off

Looks like it got hit just in time to serve Thread his shit sandwich for dinner.

Update (9 May 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 80,004
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Looks like it got hit just in time to serve Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) his shit sandwich for dinner.

Update (9 May 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 80,004
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

C'mon, bum, give me another "bing" instead. Something from the old days.

I taped "Tombstone" out of AMC the other night. That damn thing is truly a masterpiece.

[monosylab1k]

C'mon, bum, give me another "bing" instead. Something from the old days.

I taped "Tombstone" out of AMC the other night. That damn thing is truly a masterpiece.

I’m your Huckleberry

[Thread]

I’m your Huckleberry

Too common. Give me something else, mono.

[Splits]

Update (10 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 80,037
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

Update (10 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 80,037
Regular Flu dead: 23+k = 1023
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Thread

This is NOT Trump’s flu. He owns the fckd up response. He owns getting on TV everyday, until he finally shut himself down, and making a complete fool of himself because he did not want to or was unable to understand expertise. So put Pence and Kushner on the job until it gets bad enough he has to rely on expertise, but he hates it. He hates the fact that people know a lot more than he does and can speak over him with authority. This is one fkd up LEADER.

[Thread]

Thread

This is NOT Trump’s flu. He owns the fckd up response. He owns getting on TV everyday, until he finally shut himself down, and making a complete fool of himself because he did not want to or was unable to understand expertise. So put Pence and Kushner on the job until it gets bad enough he has to rely on expertise, but he hates it. He hates the fact that people know a lot more than he does and can speak over him with authority. This is one fkd up LEADER.

That's rich.

"expertise" that changes by the day, by the hour even. (expertise) rolled out by authors of pulp, of millionaires, of billionaires.

Their mothers, their fathers are waitin'. They need to get ta fuckin'.

[boutons_deux]

Where the virus is spreading fastest


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-caseloads-states-b24899a3-286e-4ea9-bd71-0e88ed645e68.html

[pgardn]

That's rich.

"expertise" that changes by the day, by the hour even. (expertise) rolled out by authors of pulp, of millionaires, of billionaires.

Their mothers, their fathers are waitin'. They need to get ta fuckin'.

Cant help that he is given names and then he decides if the expertise is totally beholden to him or actually wants to give out facts.
Experts can get squeamish if told they must lie in their area of expertise.
Trump made that bed. He lied and continues to lie so no one is sure of what they are supposed to say.
This is again, awful LEADERSHIP.

Because when something is really important, and you purposely give bad information, it can be bad for others.
This is NOT NY real estate or reality TV. This is a virus. He uses his "art of the deal" to confront nature.
Good luck with that.

[pgardn]

oh...

Let us proceed...

[Play Boban]

Update (10 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 80,037
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...
Your Spanish Flu is way undercounted. Propaganda at its finest.

[pgardn]

Your Spanish Flu is way undercounted. Propaganda at its finest.

It happened in the early 1900's.

The first radio news program was broadcast August 31, 1920 by station 8MK in Detroit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit), Michigan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan), which survives today as all-news format station WWJ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWJ_(AM)) under ownership of the CBS network. The first college radio station began broadcasting on October 14, 1920 from Union College, Schenectady, New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(state)) under the personal call letters of Wendell King, an African-American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American) student at the school


Communication was not close to regular use.
How do you figure a worldwide disease was easily tabulated and thus undercounted?
And how do you know this was done purposely?

There are ways to figure out that it might be an undercount, can you guide me to your sources?

[pgardn]

We also have the "regular flu" at 23 + k = 1023

wtf is this?

[Thread]

Cant help that he is given names and then he decides if the expertise is totally beholden to him or actually wants to give out facts.
Experts can get squeamish if told they must lie in their area of expertise.
Trump made that bed. He lied and continues to lie so no one is sure of what they are supposed to say.
This is again, awful LEADERSHIP.

>>>>>>>>>Because when something is really important, and you purposely give bad information, it can be bad for others.<<<<<<<<<
This is NOT NY real estate or reality TV. This is a virus. He uses his "art of the deal" to confront nature.
Good luck with that.

>>>>>>>>>Exactly, peeg. Couldn't agree more.

Like the authors of pulp, of millionaires, of billionaires give bad information. Fauci, too, running as fast as he can to cover every fuckin' base on the diamond. GO---TONY---GO!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<


Same with Cuomo in New York. Stays the course like a mensch. Sometimes when I'm sitting and watching him I get nervous that's he's going to fly straight. Nope, thank Christ, he shits the bed every time and goes political. Can't help himself. He runs New York state like Obama ran the USA---race baitin' like the mother fuckers they are.

[baseline bum]

>>>>>>>>>Exactly, peeg. Couldn't agree more.

Like the authors of pulp, of millionaires, of billionaires give bad information. Fauci, too, running as fast as he can to cover every fuckin' base on the diamond. GO---TONY---GO!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<


Same with Cuomo in New York. Stays the course like a mensch. Sometimes when I'm sitting and watching him I get nervous that's he's going to fly straight. Nope, thank Christ, he shits the bed every time and goes political. Can't help himself. He runs New York state like Obama ran the USA---race baitin' like the mother fuckers they are.

Cubby man, did you go fuck your mother on her special day? Don't give her flowers today, give her herpes.

[Thread]

Cubby man, did you go fuck your mother on her special day? Don't give her flowers today, give her herpes.

No, I dedicated this to her:::


https://youtu.be/Fcd3XuQwDQQ

[clambake]

>>>>>>>>>Exactly, peeg. Couldn't agree more.

Like the authors of pulp, of millionaires, of billionaires give bad information. Fauci, too, running as fast as he can to cover every fuckin' base on the diamond. GO---TONY---GO!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<


Same with Cuomo in New York. Stays the course like a mensch. Sometimes when I'm sitting and watching him I get nervous that's he's going to fly straight. Nope, thank Christ, he shits the bed every time and goes political. Can't help himself. He runs New York state like Obama ran the USA---race baitin' like the mother fuckers they are.
Every racist is in your cult, dale. Every single one.

That’s it and that’s all

[Play Boban]

Every racist is in your cult, dale. Every single one.

That’s it and that’s all
Robert C. Byrd is a Republican? Fake news. What about George Wallace? :lol

[Play Boban]

A Trumptard used that number in the OP, try to keep up.
Trump is liar to

[Play Boban]

It happened in the early 1900's.

The first radio news program was broadcast August 31, 1920 by station 8MK in Detroit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit), Michigan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan), which survives today as all-news format station WWJ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWJ_(AM)) under ownership of the CBS network. The first college radio station began broadcasting on October 14, 1920 from Union College, Schenectady, New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(state)) under the personal call letters of Wendell King, an African-American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American) student at the school


Communication was not close to regular use.
How do you figure a worldwide disease was easily tabulated and thus undercounted?
And how do you know this was done purposely?

There are ways to figure out that it might be an undercount, can you guide me to your sources?
I have my sources but you can do your own research. 50 million Americans died from the Spanish Flu tbqh.

[DMC]

Too common. Give me something else, mono.

You was just too high strung.

[Thread]

You was just too high strung.

Honest to God.:lol

[Thread]

Every racist is in your cult, dale. Every single one.

That’s it and that’s all

Stings, don't it when you get called out and you have to own up. I get ya's every time when I hand up that Obama race baiting indictment.

Damn right I do!!!

[Thread]

Trump is liar to

Everybody lies, PB.

[DMC]

Stings, don't it when you get called out and you have to own up. I get ya's every time when I hand up that Obama race baiting indictment.

Damn right I do!!!

Clammy don't do losses. He said Trump was the best choice shortly after the 2016 OK Corral showdown left Hillary Clanton dead at the trough. Now he's here acting like he was with her all along.

[clambake]

Clammy don't do losses. He said Trump was the best choice shortly after the 2016 OK Corral showdown left Hillary Clanton dead at the trough. Now he's here acting like he was with her all along.

I said I wouldn’t vote for either of those assholes.

[DMC]

I said I wouldn’t vote for either of those assholes.

I already cited you, Clammy. Don't clam up now.

[Thread]

I said I wouldn’t vote for either of those assholes.


I already cited you, Clammy. Don't clam up now.

ha, ha, you got busted, clamster!!!

WOOT!!!

[clambake]

Jaba is full of shit

You two have fun in your cult circle jerk

[boutons_deux]

Birx says she trust no info from the CDC (knowing that it is corrupted with Trash sycophants)

[DMC]

Jaba is full of shit

You two have fun in your cult circle jerk

You got a grain of sand in your clam. Make a pearl.

[clambake]

You got a grain of sand in your clam. Make a pearl.

You can do better

When you said bend over I’ll show you some swimmers ...that was funny

[Thread]

Birx says she trust no info from the CDC (knowing that it is corrupted with Trash sycophants)

She is about as reliable as that idiot that owns the Mavericks. Both of them spouting shit they don't know shit about.

[Thread]

[[[GatoFeo (https://disqus.com/by/darymatera/) AZ Native (https://ktar.com/story/3143268/trump-advisers-cite-need-to-stop-permanent-economic-toll/?show=comments#comment-4908898761) • 5 hours ago (https://ktar.com/story/3143268/trump-advisers-cite-need-to-stop-permanent-economic-toll/?show=comments#comment-4908930667)Yeah, the 455,000 who died on Obama's watch of the flu won't be returning anytime soon.
And nary a QT was shut down.]]]

[ElNono]

^ salty OP is salty

[RandomGuy]

Update (9 May 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 78,615
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

So, on my drive back to Texas I observed packed restaurants in Oklahoma, and a Buccee's in Dallas that was as packed as I have ever seen one, with most not wearing masks. I had just stopped for gas, and no fucking way did I go in.

I think a lot of people are just tired of being cautious, and some are outright "no one is going to tell me to wear a mask" level stupid.

Give it two weeks and the count of sick will explode, as will the deaths. I think we are about to get serious smacked with an uptick in Rnaught.

[pgardn]

Everybody lies, PB.

Oh yes.

Everybody does it.

This is the president of the US and this situation IS NOT TO BE LIED ABOUT.
So he decides basically no one of expertise will talk on this anymore, got it.
Wonderful leadership. He is OUR leader?

[TSA]

Birx says she trust no info from the CDC (knowing that it is corrupted with Trash sycophants)

“During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration’s coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it.”

So Birx is worried these Trash sycophants are inflating mortality rate and case count?

[pgardn]

“During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration’s coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it.”

So Birx is worried these Trash sycophants are inflating mortality rate and case count?

This is good.
This is how it must be behind the scenes with the experts getting frustrated or disagreeing, we WANT this.

We dont want a president who shuts off the experts because he cant stand the popularity being greater than his or that they might be perceived, because they are, more knowledgeable that he is.

[DMC]

So, on my drive back to Texas I observed packed restaurants in Oklahoma, and a Buccee's in Dallas that was as packed as I have ever seen one, with most not wearing masks. I had just stopped for gas, and no fucking way did I go in.

I think a lot of people are just tired of being cautious, and some are outright "no one is going to tell me to wear a mask" level stupid.

Give it two weeks and the count of sick will explode, as will the deaths. I think we are about to get serious smacked with an uptick in Rnaught.

Did you pass out copies of articles from random liberal panic sites, in large font?

[boutons_deux]

I do not undertand Birx's contention that CDC is overcounting. Has she caught the Trashovirus, causing her to understate the pandemic numbers?

[tholdren]

https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reopening-schools/

[BSfromTX]

You would think that a virus that spreads across the entire world in a matter of a few months would have already run it's course by now, wouldn't you? It's like this virus is highly contagious and super deadly, but then sometimes may take another year before it reaches all corners of the globe and not everyone is affected.... which is it? Just some convenient aspects don't you think?

[hater]

You would think that a virus that spreads across the entire world in a matter of a few months would have already run it's course by now, wouldn't you? It's like this virus is highly contagious and super deadly, but then sometimes may take another year before it reaches all corners of the globe and not everyone is affected.... which is it? Just some convenient aspects don't you think?

why can it not be both?

highly contagious and will take a while to run its course

based on german/nyc studies it seems even the ground zeros hotspots are barely at 25% contagion estimated

theres a shit ton lot of more people to go

we are barely getting started

[ChumpDumper]

You would think that a virus that spreads across the entire world in a matter of a few months would have already run it's course by now, wouldn't you? It's like this virus is highly contagious and super deadly, but then sometimes may take another year before it reaches all corners of the globe and not everyone is affected.... which is it? Just some convenient aspects don't you think?Convenient for whom?

This virus looks like it spreads like a lot of others. It doesn't seem to be completely airborne so it's not saturating the atmosphere or anything like that.

[BSfromTX]

why can it not be both?

highly contagious and will take a while to run its course

based on german/nyc studies it seems even the ground zeros hotspots are barely at 25% contagion estimated



theres a shit ton lot of more people to go

we are barely getting started

Okay, but that doesn't support a highly communicable disease that spreads to other countries in a few months. Who estimates 25%? How do they support it? Antibody tests? Regular tests? Are the antibodies to the uniqueness of COVID19? It shares a lot of genetic information that exists in other viruses.

I'm not being adversarial. I'm just pointing to the fact there are questions that most people don't even know enough to consider asking. Very few on this planet fully understand how a virus like this works, and we depend on them to tell us through politicians and bipartisan media. Not a good situation IMO

[BSfromTX]

Convenient for whom?

This virus looks like it spreads like a lot of others. It doesn't seem to be completely airborne so it's not saturating the atmosphere or anything like that.

It is being considered airborne, hence the 6 foot distancing. My point is that if it is as communicable as they say, and cases went from China to practically every country within a few months, it would make sense that it could have run its course by now and almost everyone has been exposed

[baseline bum]

It is being considered airborne, hence the 6 foot distancing. My point is that if it is as communicable as they say, and cases went from China to practically every country within a few months, it would make sense that it could have run its course by now and almost everyone has been exposed

No it wouldn't or we'd see at least 40% of every population center on Earth having COVID antibodies when tested. We don't even see anything approaching that in the world's COVID epicenter of New York. It makes no sense that it would have run its course when major population centers like LA only showed a 4-5% infection rate from antibody testing. Who in the hell would think 5% would get you to herd immunity?

[baseline bum]

Did you pass out copies of articles from random liberal panic sites, in large font?

So packing tightly in restaurants good during a pandemic?

[Trainwreck2100]

You would think that a virus that spreads across the entire world in a matter of a few months would have already run it's course by now, wouldn't you? It's like this virus is highly contagious and super deadly, but then sometimes may take another year before it reaches all corners of the globe and not everyone is affected.... which is it? Just some convenient aspects don't you think?

The ones that take a long time to migrate have high mortality and obvious symptoms, this one is asymptomatic for some people

[ChumpDumper]

It is being considered airborne, hence the 6 foot distancing.That's not truly airborne.
My point is that if it is as communicable as they say, and cases went from China to practically every country within a few months, it would make sense that it could have run its course by now and almost everyone has been exposedNot really. International travel made the initial worldwide distribution quick. After, that it spread like a lot of other viruses through fairly close contact and surfaces. Add the unusual mitigation efforts and it's all pretty logical that not everyone is exposed.

[BSfromTX]

The ones that take a long time to migrate have high mortality and obvious symptoms, this one is asymptomatic for some people

What do you mean the "ones"?

[Trainwreck2100]

What do you mean the "ones"?

the viruses

[baseline bum]

It is being considered airborne, hence the 6 foot distancing. My point is that if it is as communicable as they say, and cases went from China to practically every country within a few months, it would make sense that it could have run its course by now and almost everyone has been exposed

Also if you say forget the testing, it's flawed, then why would any reasonable person think Texas has been infected at herd immunity levels with not too many deaths so far while New York City has been ravaged by it?

[BSfromTX]

That's not truly airborne.Not really. International travel made the initial worldwide distribution quick. After, that it spread like a lot of other viruses through fairly close contact and surfaces. Add the unusual mitigation efforts and it's all pretty logical that not everyone is exposed.

I would have to strongly disagree. Wearing masks and social distancing is exactly what you do for what we consider airborne.

[ChumpDumper]

I would have to strongly disagree. Wearing masks and social distancing is exactly what you do for what we consider airborne.It's also what you for viruses spread via small droplets.

[BSfromTX]

the viruses


Then that would indicate possibly a different strain, would it not?

[hater]

Okay, but that doesn't support a highly communicable disease that spreads to other countries in a few months. Who estimates 25%? How do they support it? Antibody tests? Regular tests? Are the antibodies to the uniqueness of COVID19? It shares a lot of genetic information that exists in other viruses.

I'm not being adversarial. I'm just pointing to the fact there are questions that most people don't even know enough to consider asking. Very few on this planet fully understand how a virus like this works, and we depend on them to tell us through politicians and bipartisan media. Not a good situation IMO

ever heard of airplanes?

I can travel to Hawaii, Sydney, Homg Kong, Dubai, Paris, London and LA in less than 1 week. does that make a a highly communicable virus???

[BSfromTX]

It's also what you for viruses spread via small droplets.

You are correct, it is not considered truly airborne.

[Thread]

Oh yes.

Everybody does it.

This is the president of the US and this situation IS NOT TO BE LIED ABOUT.
So he decides basically no one of expertise will talk on this anymore, got it.
Wonderful leadership. He is OUR leader?

Nonsense. Our Presidents lied about both World Wars, both the Korean & Vietnam wars and that war with the WMD's.

We love to be lied to. Sometimes it's better than the truth. Most times in fact.

(and what expertise?) These humps, these fucks are all compromised. And at truth they know very little more than we on this Board know. They're grasping with all their might with one hand and with the other they're holding onto the politicization of this 19.

Make no mistake, peeg...we had a chance to 911 this and we did not.

It's a jail break now,,,right to that first Tuesday come November.

[ChumpDumper]

You are correct, it is not considered truly airborne.It can be a little confusing when you read the stories like the choir practice superspreading event, et.al. I'd have reservations leaving the house at all were it truly airborne.

[boutons_deux]

You are correct, it is not considered truly airborne.

I have read that C19 is both droplet and airborne,

and this:

Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/24/coronavirus-detected-particles-air-pollution

[RandomGuy]

No it wouldn't or we'd see at least 40% of every population center on Earth having COVID antibodies when tested. We don't even see anything approaching that in the world's COVID epicenter of New York. It makes no sense that it would have run its course when major population centers like LA only showed a 4-5% infection rate from antibody testing. Who in the hell would think 5% would get you to herd immunity?

People talking about getting to herd immunity are essentially saying that we sacrifice the elderly and immunocompromised to be able to get there as fast as possible. That isn't herd immunity, that is eugenics.

[RandomGuy]

Did you pass out copies of articles from random liberal panic sites, in large font?

No, I stuck to avoiding the subject and criticizing what they were wearing.

[DMC]

So packing tightly in restaurants good during a pandemic?

No but I can't imagine random guy going somewhere without proselytizing his Viewpoint in large font.

[BSfromTX]

ever heard of airplanes?

I can travel to Hawaii, Sydney, Homg Kong, Dubai, Paris, London and LA in less than 1 week. does that make a a highly communicable virus???

Seriously, you don't have to be sarcastic. While you are in those places you have to contract it or while you are on an airplane or close proximity of others you have to contract it and it has to be relatively easy to pass from one person to the next. Highly communicable means it is easily passed from one person to the next. That has to happen in addition to air travel in order for it to affect so many parts of the globe, so quickly.

[pgardn]

Nonsense. Our Presidents lied about both World Wars, both the Korean & Vietnam wars and that war with the WMD's.

We love to be lied to. Sometimes it's better than the truth. Most times in fact.

(and what expertise?) These humps, these fucks are all compromised. And at truth they know very little more than we on this Board know. They're grasping with all their might with one hand and with the other they're holding onto the politicization of this 19.

Make no mistake, peeg...we had a chance to 911 this and we did not.

It's a jail break now,,,right to that first Tuesday come November.

what experts??????????

You think Trump has a frkn clue concerning this virus? Are you kidding?
And dont even try to compare lying about war to withholding safety for all of your general population concerning a biological disease.
This is not a conflict among people, its fckn nature hitting us in the face and we CAN face this without lies.

[Thread]

what experts??????????

You think Trump has a frkn clue concerning this virus? Are you kidding?
And dont even try to compare lying about war to withholding safety for all of your general population concerning a biological disease.
This is not a conflict among people, its fckn nature hitting us in the face and we CAN face this without lies.

Fauci, big ass Brix. that author of fiction books, Cuban in Dallas, Bill Gates and his wife, Stephen King and his wife, Sanja Gupta over at the CNN who shows us how to wash our groceries,,,you know the creme of the fuckin' expertise crop, peeg.

& you GD right we don't know one thing more than anyone of know. We're all grasping in the dark and will until we don't.

Scary, huh?

Christ, we still ain't dunned the Mexicans for Cinco de Mayo. Took a shitload of photos, but, nary a discouragin' word.

Let white go to church, then you have WW3.

[hater]

Seriously, you don't have to be sarcastic. While you are in those places you have to contract it or while you are on an airplane or close proximity of others you have to contract it and it has to be relatively easy to pass from one person to the next. Highly communicable means it is easily passed from one person to the next. That has to happen in addition to air travel in order for it to affect so many parts of the globe, so quickly.

it is very easy to contract it if you are in an epicenter like Wuhan, Bergamo, NYC, or that spot in Germany

also dont forget this virus was in circulation already in November

and again airplanes not only make distances null, but airplanes are actually petri dishes for the virus. they are basicalle the virus public transportation

[Trainwreck2100]

Then that would indicate possibly a different strain, would it not?

Yes there's many kinds of viruses. There's norovirus, MERS SARS h1n1, the bird flu, the flu flu, the gay flu (that's HIV) congrats you cracked the code.

[baseline bum]

Get in here Thread and eat your shit sandwich. Finish it up quick and then you can go fuck your mother some more before bed.

Update (11 May 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 81,795
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

I don't remember how it all shook out, but ABC's respectful, super low key nightly tally of war dead -- can't remember whether Afghanistan or Iraq in the early 2000s, li'l help? -- was met with coordinated howls of indignation from right wing broadcast and digital media.

Can't be too long before that recurs.

[slick'81]

Well easily be pushing 150+ by august. How the fuck will the orange child spin it then i wonder

[ElNono]

Well easily be pushing 150+ by august. How the fuck will the orange child spin it then i wonder

POTUS: "We have the best caskets. Beautiful caskets. We sent them for free to the families. Other countries call us to send them caskets, but I tell them, no, America first!"

Reporter: "Why did you request your name be imprinted in every casket?"

POTUS: "I don't know, next question"

[Trainwreck2100]

Well easily be pushing 150+ by august. How the fuck will the orange child spin it then i wonder

:cry it's china's fault

[Splits]

So, on my drive back to Texas I observed packed restaurants in Oklahoma, and a Buccee's in Dallas that was as packed as I have ever seen one, with most not wearing masks. I had just stopped for gas, and no fucking way did I go in.

I think a lot of people are just tired of being cautious, and some are outright "no one is going to tell me to wear a mask" level stupid.

Give it two weeks and the count of sick will explode, as will the deaths. I think we are about to get serious smacked with an uptick in Rnaught.


flew AUS-ATL-AMS today. Nothing near “normal” levels of passengers but the US airports had way more people and flights than Schiphol. Atlanta had some sit down restaurants open but none in either of the other 2

[Brazil]

Nonsense. Our Presidents lied about both World Wars, both the Korean & Vietnam wars and that war with the WMD's.

We love to be lied to. Sometimes it's better than the truth. Most times in fact.

(and what expertise?) These humps, these fucks are all compromised. And at truth they know very little more than we on this Board know. They're grasping with all their might with one hand and with the other they're holding onto the politicization of this 19.

Make no mistake, peeg...we had a chance to 911 this and we did not.

It's a jail break now,,,right to that first Tuesday come November.


https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d7/7d/2d/d77d2d37bd1c097171be60824c96cf55--truth-hurts-movie-quotes.jpg

[Thread]

He’s definitely gonna use the “deaths would have been over 1 million without my leadership” line, which will increase to 10 million by late October. His sycophants will go from COVID deniers to acting like it’s the deadliest plague in mankind’s history, thwarted only by Orange God.

Damn right he because he tricked Brix & Tony into stating those numbers believing they'd never get close and to shut him up.

Let me tell ya's something (THEY) ain't his friend.

What's most important? The old man knows it.

[hater]

Damn right he because he tricked Brix & Tony into stating those numbers believing they'd never get close and to shut him up.

Let me tell ya's something (THEY) ain't his friend.

What's most important? The old man knows it.

the old man has no friends

and no you are not his friend

[Thread]

the old man has no friends

and no you are not his friend

No, I'm not.

I'm his soldier. & that's what I do. I soldier.

- "When you side with a man, you stay with him!"

- Holden - "The Wild Bunch"

[baseline bum]

No, I'm not.

I'm his soldier. & that's what I do. I soldier.

- "When you side with a man, you stay with him!"

- Holden - "The Wild Bunch"

You're more like his concubine.

[RandomGuy]

flew AUS-ATL-AMS today. Nothing near “normal” levels of passengers but the US airports had way more people and flights than Schiphol. Atlanta had some sit down restaurants open but none in either of the other 2

The spread will accelerate in the next month. Just wonder by how much. June/July will be the pure result of re-opening.

Rnaught will have its payment.

[RandomGuy]

No, I'm not.

I'm his soldier. & that's what I do. I soldier.

- "When you side with a man, you stay with him!"

- Holden - "The Wild Bunch"

AttenSHUN!

PUCKER.... UP!!!

ASS KISS IN DOUBLE TIME>>>> KISS!!!!

[TimDunkem]

AttenSHUN!

PUCKER.... UP!!!

ASS KISS IN DOUBLE TIME>>>> KISS!!!!

:lmao Yeah. Basically.

[Thread]

The spread will accelerate in the next month. Just wonder by how much. June/July will be the pure result of re-opening.

Rnaught will have its payment.

We never closed down. Mardi Gras, all the beaches, Super Tuesday's, the NY subway system, restaurants, grocery stores, Cinco D Mayo, estate sales, garage sales, Goodwill's,,,on & on.

[hater]

No, I'm not.

I'm his soldier. & that's what I do. I soldier.

- "When you side with a man, you stay with him!"

- Holden - "The Wild Bunch"

nah youre no soldier either

[baseline bum]

Update (12 May 2020):::
Trump's Corona Plague dead: 83,368
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

[hater]

new model 150k MAGA murders by August

[hater]

looks like my call of 1/2 million victims by next year is spot on

[baseline bum]

new model 150k MAGA murders by August

Which one is that? Was that the one that was saying 60,000 a few weeks ago?

[hater]

Which one is that? Was that the one that was saying 60,000 a few weeks ago?

https://twitter.com/independent/status/1260325483104751617?s=21


I believe thats the White House model :lol

[baseline bum]

looks like my call of 1/2 million victims by next year is spot on

That's around what Osterholm was calling in early March on Rogan's podcast. But he also thought SARSCov2 wasn't seasonal and that heat wouldn't matter much. God help us if it is seasonal and we saw the tame outbreak this spring/summer and then get the real asskicker this fall/winter.

[spurraider21]

That's around what Osterholm was calling in early March on Rogan's podcast. But he also thought SARSCov2 wasn't seasonal and that heat wouldn't matter much. God help us if it is seasonal and we saw the tame outbreak this spring/summer and then get the real asskicker this fall/winter.
we're almost halfway through May and Mexico's cases are just now starting to ramp up. not a great sample size but also not indicative of it being seasonal. wait and see, i guess

[baseline bum]

we're almost halfway through May and Mexico's cases are just now starting to ramp up. not a great sample size but also not indicative of it being seasonal. wait and see, i guess

They really should have built the wall to keep us out I guess.

[Winehole23]

https://transitionintogreatness.com/

[Thread]

They really should have built the wall to keep us out I guess.

Uh, uh, wouldn't a worked:::they Cinco D Mayo'ed their asses off-unencumbered-& are now shedding among us.

[Splits]

They really should have built the wall to keep us out I guess.


American Travelers Are About to Be Pariahs in This New World

As tourist-centric countries begin testing travel corridors and reciprocal quarantine regulations, American travelers might find themselves locked out of the post-pandemic world.

Barbie Latza Nadeau
(https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/barbie-latza-nadeau)Updated May. 12, 2020 3:40PM ET / Published May. 12, 2020 3:31AM ET

One thing is sure: Gone are the days of the American abroad, at least for those hoping to summer in Europe this year. The new models on how to reopen European travel do not have room for the American tourist for the foreseeable future.

The European Union is set to release new guidelines called “Europe Needs a Break” on Wednesday that will recommend replacing travel bans with what they are calling “targeted restrictions” based on contagion levels and reciprocity among European and neighboring nations, many of which have been under draconian lockdowns backed by science. The key to any successful reopening in Europe is based entirely on risk assessment, meaning anyone coming from a nation deemed risky or careless will be the first to be banned. Simply put, anyone who has been under the lax American approach to the pandemic, which has been the laughing stock of Europe (https://www.thedailybeast.com/europe-hard-hit-by-covid-19-watches-with-horror-the-us-rush-to-reopen?ref=home), won’t be welcome any time soon.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-coronavirus-american-travelers-are-about-to-find-out-what-its-like-to-be-the-pariah

:lol we're finally the l:lolughing st:lolck of Europe

[tholdren]

The sources said that Dr. Deborah Birx had lobbied for two categories of deaths to be excluded: people who likely had COVID-19 but did not have test confirmation, and people who definitely had COVID-19 but may have died from unrelated causes

[Thread]

Ready for your daily shit sandwich, Cubby?

I don't hide my shit.

It's my religion.

- "Serve it."

- "Palancio" - "Magnum Force"

[Splits]

Update (13 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 83,425
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Let us proceed...


I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-coronavirus-american-travelers-are-about-to-find-out-what-its-like-to-be-the-pariah

:lol we're finally the l:lolughing st:lolck of Europe

Until "Hitler" shows up and then they're skulkin' around lookin' for a hand down. Draggin' these fucks one century after another.

Hey, sweetheart, like clockwork.

[baseline bum]

Update (13 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 84,243
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

The sources said that Dr. Deborah Birx had lobbied for two categories of deaths to be excluded: people who likely had COVID-19 but did not have test confirmation, and people who definitely had COVID-19 but may have died from unrelated causes

[Thread]

Let us proceed...

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

The sources said that Dr. Deborah Birx had lobbied for two categories of deaths to be excluded: people who likely had COVID-19 but did not have test confirmation, and people who definitely had COVID-19 but may have died from unrelated causes

She's conflicted:::one moment she wants to hang out with Tony & the politics she was sent there to execute,,,the very next she wants to find out what's all the hubbub with Stormy sittin' on the old man's stalk. She wants to sit a stalk.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) TOPSY!


- "No sir, you couldn't drag me away."

- "Sgt. Al Powell" - "Die Hard"

[Thread]

Ready for your daily shit sandwich, Cubby?

Did the old man make President?

[apalisoc_9]

Over or Under 200k before october?

[Thread]

Over or Under 200k before october?

Gonna be close but Over.

[pgardn]

Gonna be close but Over.

That would not be good.
I hope not. Not going over double from what we have now, please no.
Im sick of this.

[baseline bum]

That would not be good.
I hope not. Not going over double from what we have now, please no.
Im sick of this.

Virus doesn't give a fuck if you're sick of it.

[Thread]

That would not be good.
I hope not. Not going over double from what we have now, please no.
Im sick of this.

We've been at 2k+ a day for a while. I don't see that letting up without a vaccine, or, an effective treatment.

[clambake]

We've been at 2k+ a day for a while. I don't see that letting up without a vaccine, or, an effective treatment.

Dale, stay away from numbers

They beat the shit outta you

[Thread]

Dale, stay away from numbers

They beat the shit outta you

Yeah, I forgot: you're never wrong.

[Splits]

Dale, stay away from numbers

They beat the shit outta you

:lol

[Splits]

Update (14 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 85,197
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Splits]

Over or Under 200k before october?

Most of the reliable models don't go out that far. I've got it at 193k by October

[boutons_deux]

15 days, 1000/day, to hit 100K by 1 June.

Trash was bragging, standing on pile of bodies, a couple weeks ago that Trash, he himself personally, holding it to 100K was HIS victory compared to 2M in a couple predictions.

The Trash Pandemic is Trash-made.

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) get your bib on!

Sit on it.

[Medvedenko]

There is something macabre about this thread.....we all have our sides, with dead bodies flanking both of them...

[pgardn]

There is something macabre about this thread.....we all have our sides, with dead bodies flanking both of them...

[pgardn]

Virus doesn't give a fuck if you're sick of it.

Oh yeah?

I thought the virus had a brain and nervous system and could sense our fear?



But I can still hope.
And you cant stop me, damn you Beach Bum.

[RandomGuy]

Most of the reliable models don't go out that far. I've got it at 193k by October

Five thirty eight has started putting some data and models on their website. Includes state by state breakdowns.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/?ex_cid=rrpromo


Also a fun toy:
Without A Vaccine, Herd Immunity Won’t Save Us
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/without-a-vaccine-herd-immunity-wont-save-us/

About 120k in a month or so seems to be the average, so 193k by October is about where the current projections show us heading.

[RandomGuy]

There is something macabre about this thread.....we all have our sides, with dead bodies flanking both of them...

Quite macabre. A danse macabre.

https://wandervogeldiary.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/danse-macabre_01.jpg

The musician does not have a side. It simply... is.

[Medvedenko]

Did anyone just see Trump and Kayleigh and that other angry man discussing Bright's testimonial? Also, what's up with Kayleigh showing off Trump's pandemic plan that was authored last August? Showing Obama's plan, which shows from what I see with the cover ripped and a bunch of revisions compared to TRUMP's plan with a nice new cover that's fresh off the printing machine at Kinko's? WTF is going on? It's so reactionary it's comical.

[pgardn]

Very interesting article (discussion) about Covid antivaccer disinformation outbreaks going viral:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/13/855611088/a-new-study-explores-the-spread-of-misinformation-about-coronavirus-on-facebook

[Splits]

1261013685641908232

[Splits]

1261034242575917057

:wow

Cubes

[tholdren]

1261034242575917057

:wow

Cubes

this needs to be studied more. If these people have preexisting conditions, then it is logical that they aren't going to fare well of they get the viruse.

Similarly , they are not going to be exponentially better after recovery. They will still have poor health due to preexisting conditions.

[Splits]

I didn't read the article

[tholdren]

Right i didn't read the opinion article and said it needed to be studied

[Splits]

Right i didn't read the opinion article and said it needed to be studied


The day before I got sick, I ran three miles, walked 10 more, then raced up the stairs to my fifth-floor apartment as always, slinging laundry with me as I went.
The next day, April 17, I became one of the thousands of New Yorkers to fall ill with Covid-19. I haven’t felt the same since.


If you live in New York City, you know what this virus can do. In just under two months, an estimated 24,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm?s_cid=mm6919e5_e&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM27988) New Yorkers have died. That’s more than twice (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2019.pdf) the number of people we lost to homicide over the past 20 years.


Now I worry for Americans elsewhere. When I see photographs of crowds packing into a newly reopened big-box store in Arkansas (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tj-maxx-reopening-safety-spotlight-143029402.html) or scores of people jammed into a Colorado restaurant (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/10/castle-rock-cc-coffee-reopens-coronavirus/) without masks, it’s clear too many Americans still don’t grasp the power of this disease.



The second day I was sick, I woke up to what felt like hot tar buried deep in my chest. I could not get a deep breath unless I was on all fours. I’m healthy. I’m a runner. I’m 33 years old.

[tholdren]

So a first person account is now, "science" or is it because Mark Cuban tweeted the gossip?

[clambake]

The gossip virus lol


That’s the new narrative huh? All gossip lol

[ChumpDumper]

The gossip virus lol


That’s the new narrative huh? All gossip lolHe never has a point and doesn't know how the virus is spread. All he'll do is deflect and change the subject.

[tholdren]

The gossip virus lol


That’s the new narrative huh? All gossip lol

Strawman.... if you go back and read i said that opinion articles that are increased reads because of tweets are gossip, not science. But tell me about the science behind the article and the tweet, by a businessman. Reality show businessman... isn't that why usa is in the current predicament?

[baseline bum]

Update (14 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 86,776
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Get in here Thread for your shit sandwich.

[tholdren]

He never has a point and doesn't know how the virus is spread. All he'll do is deflect and change the subject.

this needs to be studied more. If these people have preexisting conditions, then it is logical that they aren't going to fare well of they get the viruse.

Similarly , they are not going to be exponentially better after recovery. They will still have poor health due to preexisting conditions.....

You must not be able to understand science. And you still haven't explained how bad these family gatherings are or how the virus spreads....

[ChumpDumper]

this needs to be studied moreHot take! A new disease should be studied!

You never said how the virus spreads. You must not understand science.

[Splits]

Strawman.... if you go back and read i said that opinion articles that are increased reads because of tweets are gossip, not science. But tell me about the science behind the article and the tweet, by a businessman. Reality show businessman... isn't that why usa is in the current predicament?

moar gossip

1260666914839441415

[ChumpDumper]

moar gossip

1260666914839441415THIS DISEASE SHOULD BE STUDIED!

[tholdren]

THIS DISEASE SHOULD BE STUDIED!
You don't understand how science works. Of course the disease should be studied. Lol thats all you got.

By the way that has and is currently being studied, 1/1000 chance if you get corona, you may get toxic shock. Keep on with the clickbait.

[clambake]

What disease?

It’s gossip

[ChumpDumper]

You don't understand how science works. Of course the disease should be studied. Lol thats all you got.I'm mocking you because you're acting like no one is studying it and you're the only one who thought it should be studied.

And you obviously don't know how science works or how the virus spreads. lol

[ChumpDumper]

What disease?

It’s gossipTHE GOSSIP SHOULD BE STUDIED

[pgardn]

Our president does not understand how science works.

[tholdren]

What disease?

It’s gossip
Never have said that. Lol can't read anything but Twitter for science. Look at you guys. Bwahahahah next time I read a published study im checking references for Mark Cubans Twitter feed. Man just sad how late you are.

[ChumpDumper]

Never have said that. Lol can't read anything but Twitter for science. Look at you guys. Bwahahahah next time I read a published study im checking references for Mark Cubans Twitter feed. Man just sad how late you are.lol you don't know science or how the virus is spread. Look at you trying to change the subject.

[tholdren]

THE GOSSIP SHOULD BE STUDIED

Irony. When you get proven wrong, you cry strawman. And here you are. Double speak like trump Twitter feed.. Lololol

Quick deflect, emoji, and repeat with a question... lolololol

[tholdren]

THIS DISEASE SHOULD BE STUDIED!
You do know that hasn't been peer reviewed and it was 17 kids right. Det science doh

[ChumpDumper]

Irony. When you get proven wrong, you cry strawman. And here you are. Double speak like trump Twitter feed.. Lololol

Quick deflect, emoji, and repeat with a question... lolololollol you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread. Your hot take is saying the disease that is being studied around the world should be studied.

[ChumpDumper]

You do know that hasn't been peer reviewed and it was 17 kids right. Det science dohAnd yet here you are saying it should be studied like they were waiting for you to tell them. lol you don't know anything about science.

[tholdren]

lol you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread. Your hot take is saying the disease that is being studied around the world should be studied.

sample size, not peer reviewed. Just like your model that you didn't know included mitigation. Lolololol

[tholdren]

And yet here you are saying it should be studied like they were waiting for you to tell them. lol you don't know anything about science.
Bwajahahhahah the backtrack. Lets hear about how you told me the sample size and it wasn't reviewed. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

sample size, not peer reviewed. Just like your model that you didn't know included mitigation. Lolololollol you think no one else in the world is studying and think this is the end of research unless scientists read your post. You don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread lolololol

[tholdren]

lol you think no one else in the world is studying and think this is the end of research unless scientists read your post. You don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread lolololol

Bwahahahah subject change. Lolololilik gotcha again.

Quick tell us about modeling, mitigation and neil furguson. Bwahahahahhahaah

[ChumpDumper]

Bwajahahhahah the backtrack. Lets hear about how you told me the sample size and it wasn't reviewed. Lollol the backtrack let's hear about how you said people should study this like no one in the world even thought of it but you. lollololol you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread.

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahah subject change. Lolololilik gotcha again.

Quick tell us about modeling, mitigation and neil furguson. Bwahahahahhahaahlololo deflectinog and subject change tell us all about you're being the only person who thought studying this disease would be a good idea when you don't even know how the virus is spread lololololololol

[tholdren]

lol the backtrack let's hear about how you said people should study this like no one in the world even thought of it but you. lollololol you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread.

meltdown after the subject changes, refusal to answer and repeating the same things I asked you. Lololol can't make this up.... just look at your evidence. Over and over lololol man you are not good at this.
Melted down. Got you so good you are repeating me again. Sad

[ChumpDumper]

meltdown after the subject changes, refusal to answer and repeating the same things I asked you. Lololol can't make this up.... just look at your evidence. Over and over lololol man you are not good at this.
Melted down. Got you so good you are repeating me again. Sadlololol look at your meltdown after saying the disease everyone is studying should be studied you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread all you do is gossip and deflect and change the subject got you good in March now here you are lolololool

[tholdren]

lololol look at your meltdown after saying the disease everyone is studying should be studied you don't know science and you don't know how the virus is spread all you do is gossip and deflect and change the subject lolololool

Alright I can see your in a hole. Ill give you the rest of the week to figure out how to respond. Night chumpy poo, work on your game and you may just get me 1 time before you hit 200k. I'll keep helping you out. Just keep asking.

[ChumpDumper]

Alright I can see your in a hole. Ill give you the rest of the week to figure out how to respond. Night chumpy poo, work on your game and you may just get me 1 time before you hit 200k. I'll keep helping you out. Just keep asking.lol I'll let you lick your wounds and look up how the virus is spread. I'll help you out and say that actual scientists are already studying the new disease so you can save your hot take suggestion they should study it like they were waiting for your instruction lolololololololololol

[Splits]

in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.


Marked.

Hey Dale, is there an end in sight?

[Thread]

Hey Dale, is there an end in sight?

What, you ain't ever gonna stop?

[Splits]

Update (15 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 86,912
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Update (15 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 86,912
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Look at ya, middle of the GD night & you're acting the fool.

[Splits]

Look at ya, middle of the GD night & you're acting the fool.

i don’t live in your shitty country, it’s noon here

[Thread]

i don’t live in your shitty country, it’s noon here

Fine. Middle of the day, still acting the fool.

[Splits]

Fine. Middle of the day, still acting the fool.

Bouncing your ball until there's an end in sight.

[tholdren]

https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-alleges-falsified-covid-19-records-calls-for-indictment-of-colorados-top-health-official/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2

[DMC]

https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-alleges-falsified-covid-19-records-calls-for-indictment-of-colorados-top-health-official/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2

There will be a lot of this in both directions. If it's believed that high numbers reflect poorly on the leaders, the counting method will be altered to show lower numbers. If the numbers being higher mean more federal dollars, the numbers will be higher. Some of it will just be someone being too anxious to follow their perception of the guidelines.

[tholdren]

There will be a lot of this in both directions. If it's believed that high numbers reflect poorly on the leaders, the counting method will be altered to show lower numbers. If the numbers being higher mean more federal dollars, the numbers will be higher. Some of it will just be someone being too anxious to follow their perception of the guidelines.
The fact remains that no one will ever know the true count of all of the deaths from this disease. From the article it explains that this person had cirossis of the liver and .55 BAC. Yet, listed as a covid death. People are not going to research this for every death. This is why preexisting conditions matter. This person did not die because of the virus. Only had the virus when he died.

[DMC]

The fact remains that no one will ever know the true count of all of the deaths from this disease. From the article it explains that this person had cirossis of the liver and .55 BAC. Yet, listed as a covid death. People are not going to research this for every death. This is why preexisting conditions matter. This person did not die because of the virus. Only had the virus when he died.

One method is to consider all positive cases in total, then to explain what happened to them. They either died or they recovered. If they died, it doesn't have to be from the virus, but it clears the caseload. Another method is to just look at the death count (this is the method the general public and forum pundits use). Then they compare death counts and consider that every one was someone choking to death on their own lung tissue. Then the trusty news media (should have the term "news" removed from their moniker, and be called "opinion feed") plays both sides, taking which ever combination of numbers best suits their audience's echo chamber needs.

In reality, there are plenty dying from the virus and the actual count is a side note. It only matters in the virus olympics where entity X is so much better than entity Y, or in situations were funding is based on death totals.

[tholdren]

One method is to consider all positive cases in total, then to explain what happened to them. They either died or they recovered. If they died, it doesn't have to be from the virus, but it clears the caseload. Another method is to just look at the death count (this is the method the general public and forum pundits use). Then they compare death counts and consider that every one was someone choking to death on their own lung tissue. Then the trusty news media (should have the term "news" removed from their moniker, and be called "opinion feed") plays both sides, taking which ever combination of numbers best suits their audience's echo chamber needs.

In reality, there are plenty dying from the virus and the actual count is a side note. It only matters in the virus olympics where entity X is so much better than entity Y, or in situations were funding is based on death totals.

I agree with some of that. Just wait until insurance companies increase premiums due to this. You will then want more accurate counts.

[Thread]

The fact remains that no one will ever know the true count of all of the deaths from this disease. From the article it explains that this person had cirossis of the liver and .55 BAC. Yet, listed as a covid death. People are not going to research this for every death. This is why preexisting conditions matter. This person did not die because of the virus. Only had the virus when he died.

Yes, decency has been cast to the winds & frighteningly so quickly.

In a perverse way it's kind of good...(we) act so high & mighty and scoff at easing down into the caca. Not this time. Nope.

[baseline bum]

Yes, decency has been cast to the winds & frighteningly so quickly.

In a perverse way it's kind of good...(we) act so high & mighty and scoff at easing down into the caca. Not this time. Nope.

Update (15 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 88,300
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Let us proceed...

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[baseline bum]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

You're up to 88,391 now.

[RandomGuy]

The fact remains that no one will ever know the true count of all of the deaths from this disease. From the article it explains that this person had cirossis of the liver and .55 BAC. Yet, listed as a covid death. People are not going to research this for every death. This is why preexisting conditions matter. This person did not die because of the virus. Only had the virus when he died.

Nonsense.

If for tens years average deaths in the US are within a small range on a daily basis, and all of a sudden you see an otherwise unexplained massive spike in deaths at the same time you have a novel pandemic, you can get to a pretty darn good approximation of deaths either directly or indirectly caused by the disease.

You can live with pre-existing conditions for decades. Sure it matters to whether or not the virus is deadly, but you can tease out how many people normally die from those things, and isolate the data. Be happy to point you to a good actuary or two who does exactly that.

[Splits]

no way (3 min ago)

https://i.imgur.com/Z7tcNFD.png

[Thread]

You're up to 88,391 now.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[tholdren]

Nonsense.

If for tens years average deaths in the US are within a small range on a daily basis, and all of a sudden you see an otherwise unexplained massive spike in deaths at the same time you have a novel pandemic, you can get to a pretty darn good approximation of deaths either directly or indirectly caused by the disease.

You can live with pre-existing conditions for decades. Sure it matters to whether or not the virus is deadly, but you can tease out how many people normally die from those things, and isolate the data. Be happy to point you to a good actuary or two who does exactly that.

Lol years average death.

[Splits]

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 88,507
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 88,507
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Well, I see you're bent over gettin' your nooner w/your buns split, Splits.

[boutons_deux]

no way (3 min ago)

https://i.imgur.com/Z7tcNFD.png

15 days left in May,

850 deaths/day will deliver 100K deaths on 1 June

[DMC]

I agree with some of that. Just wait until insurance companies increase premiums due to this. You will then want more accurate counts.

Life insurance perhaps, but death total shouldn't have a bearing on health insurance.

[boutons_deux]

I saw an estimate for +40% on for-profit insurance costs in 2021

100Ks of the sick people have no insurance, health care providers will not be re-imbursed,

so the health care providers will start charging the health insurance companies more to make up their non-reimbursed costs and lost profits from non-urgent care.

iow, the costs of treating 100Ks C19 victims will be socialized to all insurance clients.

(racist) white people will be paying the socialized cost of treating non-white C19 victims.

[tholdren]

I saw an estimate for +40% on for-profit insurance costs in 2021

100Ks of the sick people have no insurance, health care providers will not be re-imbursed,

so the health care providers will start charging the health insurance companies more to make up their non-reimbursed costs and lost profits from non-urgent care.

iow, the costs of treating 100Ks C19 victims will be socialized to all insurance clients.

(racist) white people will be paying the socialized cost of treating non-white C19 victims.

Don't forget to add all of those tests into this cost. Remember that over 90 percent of people tested are negative. But with all the rhetoric of need more test, more tests will be made and given and people will continue to test if they have a symptom which is anything at this point. Lots of cost associated with the government response that many do not take into consideration.

[DMC]

Don't forget to add all of those tests into this cost. Remember that over 90 percent of people tested are negative. But with all the rhetoric of need more test, more tests will be made and given and people will continue to test if they have a symptom which is anything at this point. Lots of cost associated with the government response that many do not take into consideration.

People with absolutely no symptoms are being given antibody tests right now. The cost is enormous, but perhaps the ends justify the means.

[tholdren]

People with absolutely no symptoms are being given antibody tests right now. The cost is enormous, but perhaps the ends justify the means.

Does it? If you test negative for antibodies, then how many times are you going to test for the virus. A negative test today doesn't mean you won't get it tomorrow.

Combine that with 90 percent of people won't need medical attention, not sure where that balance would be, sure seems like a never ending cycle for people demanding more tests.

[hater]

the antibody test is 50% accurate at best

dont mean shit

[tholdren]

the antibody test is 50% accurate at best

dont mean shit
So how often and how many times should a person get tested?

[DMC]

Does it? If you test negative for antibodies, then how many times are you going to test for the virus. A negative test today doesn't mean you won't get it tomorrow.

Combine that with 90 percent of people won't need medical attention, not sure where that balance would be, sure seems like a never ending cycle for people demanding more tests.

How many times have you tested for strep and been negative? It's the cost of a kit.

[tholdren]

How many times have you tested for strep and been negative? It's the cost of a kit.

never. People aren't scared of strep like they are of this virus. Do you feel like you need tested for covid? If so, why and how many times or how regular would you want to be tested. I ask because I do not care to be tested.

[DMC]

the antibody test is 50% accurate at best

dont mean shit

It does mean shit. You pull statistics right out of your ass.

Their assessment found that the ability to detect antibodies in people who had tested positive for the virus increased over time, rising to 81–100 percent when more than 20 days had elapsed since symptoms began, depending on the product. One of the members of the team, Patrick Hsu, a bioengineer at UCB, notes that this finding highlights why longitudinal antibody testing is important, given that a negative result may mean a person had been exposed to the virus but hadn’t yet developed a detectable level of antibodies. On the specificity side, the proportion of false positives found in the pre–COVID-19 samples ranged from 0–16 percent. The agreement between the findings of LFAs and ELISAs ranged from 75–94 percent. The team posted its results as a preprint on the project website on April 24. Alex Marson, an immunologist at UCSF and a coauthor of the report, cautions that some numbers, especially for tests’ ability to detect antibodies in positive cases, may be revised as his team continues to analyze the data.

You should shut the fuck up you low information chicken little.

[DMC]

never. People aren't scared of strep like they are of this virus. Do you feel like you need tested for covid? If so, why and how many times or how regular would you want to be tested. I ask because I do not care to be tested.

I am being tested for antibodies. It's not based on fear but on the need to have an better radar image of the impact of the virus and possible immunity to it.

[tholdren]

I am being tested for antibodies. It's not based on fear but on the need to have an better radar image of the impact of the virus and possible immunity to it.

I assume many will want to do that as well. Do you think a majority of the population will be satisfied with 1 test? Aren't tests coming back 90 percent negative? Haven't looked for info on past flu test negative counts.

[hater]

It does mean shit. You pull statistics right out of your ass.

Their assessment found that the ability to detect antibodies in people who had tested positive for the virus increased over time, rising to 81–100 percent when more than 20 days had elapsed since symptoms began, depending on the product. One of the members of the team, Patrick Hsu, a bioengineer at UCB, notes that this finding highlights why longitudinal antibody testing is important, given that a negative result may mean a person had been exposed to the virus but hadn’t yet developed a detectable level of antibodies. On the specificity side, the proportion of false positives found in the pre–COVID-19 samples ranged from 0–16 percent. The agreement between the findings of LFAs and ELISAs ranged from 75–94 percent. The team posted its results as a preprint on the project website on April 24. Alex Marson, an immunologist at UCSF and a coauthor of the report, cautions that some numbers, especially for tests’ ability to detect antibodies in positive cases, may be revised as his team continues to analyze the data.

You should shut the fuck up you low information chicken little.

statistics are not your forte nancy :lmao

let me educate you a bit and you will not embarrass yourself again (hopefully :lmao):

In a population whose infection rate is 5 percent, a test that is 90 percent accurate could deliver a false positive nearly 70 percent of the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opinion/antibody-test-accuracy.html

[Thread]

The Old Fart thought his Orange God would deliver victory bigly :lmao

He did. This changes nothing. He took Clinton, turned her upside down, and shoved her, head first, straight into the earth.

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

& he's President forever, just like the 44 before him.

Put that in your smoke & pipe it, you damn cocknocker, you.

[baseline bum]

He did. This changes nothing. He took Clinton, turned her upside down, and shoved her, head first, straight into the earth.

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

& he's President forever, just like the 44 before him.

Put that in your smoke & pipe it, you damn cocknocker, you.

Oh yeah that's going to be a big victory when Katie girl has to drop you into the mass graves.

[Thread]

Oh yeah that's going to be a big victory when Katie girl has to drop you into the mass graves.

- "Don't leave me here."

- Girl

Beats the alternative every day that ends in (y).

[boutons_deux]

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality rate for USA, so far

[DMC]

the antibody test is 50% accurate at best

dont mean shit


statistics are not your forte nancy :lmao

let me educate you a bit and you will not embarrass yourself again (hopefully :lmao):

In a population whose infection rate is 5 percent, a test that is 90 percent accurate could deliver a false positive nearly 70 percent of the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opinion/antibody-test-accuracy.html

:lmao

Make up your mind

False positives are something the diagnostics community lives with. Its why they have confirmation testing.

:lol out of your league again

[hater]

:lmao

Make up your mind

False positives are something the diagnostics community lives with. Its why they have confirmation testing.

:lol out of your league again

wow you are really one stupid motherfucker

let me caps it for you

DELIVER FALSE POSITIVES UP TO 70% IF THE TIME

:lmao what a moron

[DarrinS]

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality rate for USA, so far

Your denominator is WAY off.

[tholdren]

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality rate for USA, so far
Mortality rate from coronavirus or with coronavirus?

[RandomGuy]

Lol years average death.

Sorry, I can't understand the statistics for you.

In order for you to really understand my point, you will have to understand means, medians, standard deviations, and a host of other concepts from probability and statistics.

Your post here was the equivalent of saying "lol adiabatic process".

We will be able to get pretty close to what it was in reality once we get enough data on mortality and incidence, because we can use that to isolate out the causes of the sudden spike in deaths.

The only way that would really not work is if there is some sort of unexplained spike in other causes of death.

Are you trying to say that we missed some spike in heart attacks or a natural disaster that killed a lot of extra people every day for the last few months?

[RandomGuy]

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality rate for USA, so far

Your denominator is WAY off.

Indeed.

Sort of a pointless calculation, given how little we are testing.

90000/.0066 implies 13M cases.

We have diagnosed only 1.4M, meaning we are falling farther and farther behind where we really need to be testing wise.

The lag used to be about 7 times, now the lag is almost 10 times

It is spreading faster than we think it is, by a large margin, if this simple calculation is correct.

[RandomGuy]

the antibody test is 50% accurate at best

dont mean shit



statistics are not your forte nancy :lmao

let me educate you a bit and you will not embarrass yourself again (hopefully :lmao):

In a population whose infection rate is 5 percent, a test that is 90 percent accurate could deliver a false positive nearly 70 percent of the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opinion/antibody-test-accuracy.html


:lmao

Make up your mind

False positives are something the diagnostics community lives with. Its why they have confirmation testing.

:lol out of your league again

:lol "make up your mind"

Dude, his first post was about a real test, the second was a hypothetical posed by the op-ed author to make a point about statistics, which was exactly valid. Your rush to ding him, showed you didn't really understand what he posted. Self-pwnage.

Even with a high confidence (hypothetical) test, if only 5% of the population has it then the vast majority of your positives will be false.

If the real test is only 50% accurate, almost all of your positives would be false, and even testing two or three times would still not barely narrow that down to the point of meaninglessness.

Bayes Theorem ftw. I'll let you google that. or not. Plenty of good primers on it in youtube.

[tholdren]

Sorry, I can't understand the statistics for you.

In order for you to really understand my point, you will have to understand means, medians, standard deviations, and a host of other concepts from probability and statistics.

Your post here was the equivalent of saying "lol adiabatic process".

We will be able to get pretty close to what it was in reality once we get enough data on mortality and incidence, because we can use that to isolate out the causes of the sudden spike in deaths.

The only way that would really not work is if there is some sort of unexplained spike in other causes of death.

Are you trying to say that we missed some spike in heart attacks or a natural disaster that killed a lot of extra people every day for the last few months?

I said. You will never figure out the true number of deaths. Which you wont/can't. Then you respond with a deviation of an average. Not sure what you dont get about that.

[boutons_deux]

Indeed.

Sort of a pointless calculation, given how little we are testing.

90000/.0066 implies 13M cases.

We have diagnosed only 1.4M, meaning we are falling farther and farther behind where we really need to be testing wise.

The lag used to be about 7 times, now the lag is almost 10 times

It is spreading faster than we think it is, by a large margin, if this simple calculation is correct.

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality

90000 / 0.064 = 1.4M

[DarrinS]

90,000 dead / 1,400,000 cases = 6.4% mortality

90000 / 0.064 = 1.4M

There are millions of mild/asymptomatic cases that aren't included in your 1.4M denominator.

[tholdren]

There are millions of mild/asymptomatic cases that aren't included in your 1.4M denominator.
Some people believe that people who are tested and confirmed as well as those who died that haven't been counted are the only people in the data.

They seemingly forget that over 85 percent of people infected will have mild symptoms. They think that these people do not count. But they also argue that the virus is extremely transmissible. Lots of strange "points" being made

[baseline bum]

There are millions of mild/asymptomatic cases that aren't included in your 1.4M denominator.

Yeah case fatality rate doesn't tell much if you're not doing at least randomized testing. From NYC's antibody testing COVID19 appeared to have about a 0.5% mortality rate, though that's likely an undercount since it only counts those who have died vs those infected instead of those who have died or will die from infections they already have vs those infected, since the time between first infection and death seems to be around 3-6 weeks for those who die. So a total morality rate of around 0.7% or 0.8% wouldn't surprise me much.

[tholdren]

Some people believe that people who are tested and confirmed as well as those who died that haven't been counted are the only people in the data.

They seemingly forget that over 85 percent of people infected will have mild symptoms. They think that these people do not count. But they also argue that the virus is extremely transmissible. Lots of strange "points" being made
Above, right on cue

[hater]

There are millions of mild/asymptomatic cases that aren't included in your 1.4M denominator.

nice theory with no facts to back it up

[tholdren]

nice theory with no facts to back it up
Models needed no theory when 140k beds were needed in ny, or 94 million deaths, inexplicably that was believed.

[hater]

Models needed no theory when 140k beds were needed in ny, or 94 million deaths, inexplicably that was believed.

precautions != facts

[tholdren]

precautions != facts

? They said that was going to happen. It was facts to them.

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[tholdren]

i block people.

[hater]

Yeah case fatality rate doesn't tell much if you're not doing at least randomized testing. From NYC's antibody testing COVID19 appeared to have about a 0.5% mortality rate, though that's likely an undercount since it only counts those who have died vs those infected instead of those who have died or will die from infections they already have vs those infected, since the time between first infection and death seems to be around 3-6 weeks for those who die. So a total morality rate of around 0.7% or 0.8% wouldn't surprise me much.

IMO in a couple of months well have a good idea of how many are infected tbqh.

theories are nice but so far it has been recorded that only about 5-10% of the populations are infected even in places like Sweden.

think about it 5% of 5 billion is 250 milion. thats how much Inbelieve are infected. a whole lot bu lt when you think about it theres a loooong way to go

we are really almost 8 billion so most def we are below 5% infection mark right now

[hater]

? They said that was going to happen. It was facts to them.

maybe it was if we didnt shut down. we shut down so well never know

[tholdren]

maybe it was if we didnt shut down. we shut down so well never know
No they said with mitigation. But that will always be the excuse they use to prove the models. Thank you for making it more obvious.

[baseline bum]

IMO in a couple of months well have a good idea of how many are infected tbqh.

theories are nice but so far it has been recorded that only about 5-10% of the populations are infected even in places like Sweden.

think about it 5% of 5 billion is 50 milion. thats how much Inbelieve are infected. a whole lot bu lt when you think about it theres a loooong way to go

Even 5% US infection rate seems a little high right now if New York, the world epicenter, was only 20-25% a couple of weeks ago.

[hater]

No they said with mitigation. But that will always be the excuse they use to prove the models. Thank you for making it more obvious.

post the link pls. thats a bullshit model if that is true

are you talking worldwide or US?

[tholdren]

post the link pls. thats a bullshit model if that is true

are you talking worldwide or US?

Both.

[tholdren]

post the link pls. thats a bullshit model if that is true

are you talking worldwide or US?

Start with Neil furguson, he's had crazy model over estimations for years, then look to imhe, then go to random states, start with ny... its not as fun copy and pastIng click bait headlines...

Maybe also reference how many people die with no prexisting condition at any age. Its probably .3 percent

[tholdren]

I think this is a fair editorial, always biased when dealing with opinions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20200430/editorial-modeling-was-grossly-inaccurate%3ftemplate=ampart

[hater]

94 million deaths worldwide is not a bad prediction at all tbqh

u kidding?

we are 8 billion

I can see 80 million dying by 2025 easily w no vaccine

[baseline bum]

- "Don't leave me here."

- Girl

Beats the alternative every day that ends in (y).

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 89,595
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[Splits]

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 89,595
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

No, you jumped the gun. 90k ceiling has been shattered.

[tholdren]

94 million deaths worldwide is not a bad prediction at all tbqh

u kidding?

we are 8 billion

I can see 80 million dying by 2025 easily w no vaccine
It was in 2 months....

[tholdren]

Originally Posted by tholdren

It doesnt. But the point is both of the viruses are attributed factors of death.

So let's say you have the flu. You get covid. You die. Your cause of death is covid in the stats. It's true, but its also not.

It's like alcohol related fatalities stats. You and I go to the bar. Your my designated driver. A sober person crashes into you and kills us. It's counted as an alcohol related fataility. Why?

Same thing here






Except it's not.

Absolutely since you had no idea what this virus was and how it worked. I say "you" because you specifically had no idea and that's all that seems to matter to you.

Whoops. Remember the guy who had a .55 BAC and classified it as covid death. This is science

[baseline bum]

No, you jumped the gun. 90k ceiling has been shattered.

Well then it's

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 90,113
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Get in here Thread

[ChumpDumper]

Originally Posted by tholdren

It doesnt. But the point is both of the viruses are attributed factors of death.

So let's say you have the flu. You get covid. You die. Your cause of death is covid in the stats. It's true, but its also not.

It's like alcohol related fatalities stats. You and I go to the bar. Your my designated driver. A sober person crashes into you and kills us. It's counted as an alcohol related fataility. Why?

Same thing here







Whoops. Remember the guy who had a .55 BAC and classified it as covid death. This is scienceYeah, it's not the same thing.

What is your death count and how did you compile it?

[Trainwreck2100]

Well then it's

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 90,113
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Get in here Thread

100k by the 27th?

[Thread]

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 89,595
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...


No, you jumped the gun. 90k ceiling has been shattered.


Well then it's

Update (16 May 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 90,113
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Get in here Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320)

WTF, are you all gonna beat my ass to a frazzle forever?

[baseline bum]

100k by the 27th?

IDK man, cubby is prognosticator.

[tholdren]

Yeah, it's not the same thing.

What is your death count and how did you compile it?

What isn't the same thing? I said fatalities will be inaccurate due to association of covid to deaths that covid was not responsible for.

A person died of alcohol poisoning with a bac of .55 and the cause of death was attributed to covid.


Please explain how this is any different from what I said would happen months ago.

[baseline bum]

WTF, are you all gonna beat my ass to a frazzle forever?

Until either you or me is in mass graves this thread will keep getting bumped.

[ChumpDumper]

What isn't the same thing? I said fatalities will be inaccurate due to association of covid to deaths that covid was not responsible for.

A person died of alcohol poisoning with a bac of .55 and the cause of death was attributed to covid.


Please explain how this is any different from what I said would happen months ago.I think there could be as many factors that lead to undercounting.

Sorry, question pending.

What is your death count and how did you compile it?

Let's see it.

[Thread]

Until either you or me is in mass graves this thread will keep getting bumped.

Why?

[tholdren]

Sorry, question pending.

What is your death count and how did you compile it?
I already told you my stance. The death rate is lower than what is being presented. Maybe deaths should only count for people with no preexisting conditions that die from covid. Wonder what that would be?

[baseline bum]

Why?

Because what would be the point to keep bumping it to a dead guy in a mass grave?