The Count of Corona...

[baseline bum]

Sorry for your late dinner, Thread

Update (15 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 118,283
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

Sorry for your late dinner, Thread

Update (15 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 118,283
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

going to tell me I'm ignored....

[pgardn]

going to tell me I'm ignored....



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[RandomGuy]

[question tholdren won't answer, repeated]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Percent of expected deaths column and footnote 2

Here's one for you. Ask him to explain why the actual death rate for april was running 40% over the running average for the last few years. This should be the expected death rate that was running at 100 or so for the Feb and beginning of Mar before the worst of the epidemic hit NY.

Correlation is not causation, but we have evidence of causation, and evidence our data is incomplete.

A sudden, sustained spike of 40% over expected value when all the weeks prior to that were running within 2% is statistically significant.

To those of us who can do math. :D

[tholdren]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Percent of expected deaths column and footnote 2

Here's one for you. Ask him to explain why the actual death rate for april was running 40% over the running average for the last few years. This should be the expected death rate that was running at 100 or so for the Feb and beginning of Mar before the worst of the epidemic hit NY.

Correlation is not causation, but we have evidence of causation, and evidence our data is incomplete.

A sudden, sustained spike of 40% over expected value when all the weeks prior to that were running within 2% is statistically significant.

To those of us who can do math. :D

Lol I've been telling you for weeks to look at the weekly.all death fatality versus covid fatality trend.

Late to the party again math wizard. Do the math. The rates converge. You have low level math skills.

[tholdren]

daily case counts include the following:
Detected cases
Probable cases
Backlogged cases
Lag cases
Suspected cases
Antibody cases

These do not mean virus is spreading nor does it mean a spike.

It's math

[RandomGuy]

Lol I've been telling you for weeks to look at the weekly.all death fatality versus covid fatality trend.

Late to the party again math wizard. Do the math. The rates converge. You have low level math skills.

... and fail. As expected. That doesn't explain the excess deaths, doesn't account for reporting lag, there is no link to source data, and all you do is engage in personal attacks.

Pathetic.

[tholdren]

... and fail. As expected. That doesn't explain the excess deaths, doesn't account for reporting lag, there is no link to source data, and all you do is engage in personal attacks.

Pathetic.

Lol you said the convergence of all case fatalities and covid deaths do not explain excess deaths bwahahahhahahahahahahhahahahajhahahahahahhajajahau auauhahauahauahahajajau

[RandomGuy]

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ah sweet bliss. Only two people on that list.

[tholdren]

Lol keep it going RandomGuy lost his mind because he couldn't read data. Now that the cdc has proven me correct, he has no where to go but into block mode. Lolololol what a man

[baseline bum]

Me and Thread in a race to the mass COVID graves, who wins, Texas or Arizona?

Update (16 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 119,127
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[spurraider21]

Thread, sweetie, you haven't been having your shit sandwiches lately.

[baseline bum]

Thread, sweetie, you haven't been having your shit sandwiches lately.

Might have gotten dumped in the mass graves already?

[tholdren]

Zzzzzz not real data

[tholdren]

Probable cases counting. Yet people gossiping case counts fatalities hospitalization and pct positive as fact.

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1273029270898716673

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[RandomGuy]

Me and Thread in a race to the mass COVID graves, who wins, Texas or Arizona?

Update (16 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 119,127
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

Goin be Texas. Disease will do what diseases do, and spread. I-35 in Austin is around what it normally is, which means to me that business is returning to near normal. We aren't even out of our first wave, so this will mean unflattening of the curve. Give it a couple of weeks to spread essentially unchecked. I guess we will get to see what happens to our health care ICU bed safety margin.

[tholdren]

1273047315121606661

Misleading.
Go to AZ dashboard.
- emergency rates dropping in patient visits rising
- az tests all incoming
-ab and probables count as covid hospitalization
- intubation trending down
- covid discharge trending up.

Overall, hospitals run on a 65% daily avg of icu usage. This is for the year. Meaning some days a lot higher some days a lot lower. Az at 80

Find the meaning behind the data.
Covid hospitalizations by day have been going down since June 2.

This guy using Rubicon in his opening fear grab. Lol look up that word.

Hospitals just went through furloughs and were hemorrhaging dollars. They are taking in all kinds of things right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the data shows longer stays for all things.

Blindly tweeting is gossip. This is nothing more than that.

[RandomGuy]

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sweet silence of the dumbs.

[tholdren]

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sweet silence of the dumbs.

Yet you responded. Lol you said it was 100 times the flu and can't read charts. Lol cdc says 2x flu. Lololololokokikol

You're wrong again. And so wrong you had to block to continue to gossip lolIloololIll

[RandomGuy]

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[TimDunkem]

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[spurraider21]

1273047315121606661 Thread

[TimDunkem]

Thread was active today. Probably laying low after his George Floyd thread, but he's still live by godsss!!

[tholdren]

Yet you responded. Lol you said it was 100 times the flu and can't read charts. Lol cdc says 2x flu. Lololololokokikol

You're wrong again. And so wrong you had to block to continue to gossip lolIloololIll

[tholdren]

RandomGuy lol

[tholdren]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-19-tests-smoothed-7-day?country=FRA~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA

Lol

[baseline bum]

Update (17 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 119,941
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

Update (17 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 119,941
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...
This guy wears masks while driving.

[baseline bum]

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[clambake]

This guy wears masks while driving.

Tell us more

Your empty proof is my favorite

[tholdren]

NEWSPOLITICS

Texas coronavirus totals jump due to 1,500 previously excluded state prison infectionsCOVID-19 outbreaks at units in two Texas counties were not previously included in statewide tallies

Department spokesman Chris Van Deusen told The Dallas Morning News the prison cases date back to March.

“These weren’t cases that were diagnosed yesterday,” Van Deusen said Wednesday.

Then, last week, the state health department sent both counties a letter demanding they include state prison cases in their totals. All prison cases are now accounted for in state totals“It can be a little alarming to people. I’ve already had a couple people call and say, ‘what in the world?’” Johnston said Wednesday. “The average person looks at the [state health department’s online coronavirus] dashboard and says, ‘this is what’s walking the streets of this county.’”

VIEW THE FULL CONTENT OF THIS STORY >

Brazoria County Judge Matt Sebesta said he stopped counting prison cases last week with the blessing of the local arm of the state health department. He said there’s been a “breakdown in communication” during the pandemic, especially with the prisons agency.

“After TDCJ moved 128 positive inmates into this county and I found out after the fact, I mean, they lost all credibility with me. And their attitude dealing with us has been extraordinarily dismissive,” Sebesta said, referring to the prison agency’s decision to move more than 100 inmates into Brazoria County prisons without notifying local officials.

[tholdren]

The U.S. Army tested a cohort 640 new recruits and instructors for COVID-19 upon arrival at Fort Benning, Ga. All but four tested negative. Eight days after training started, 142 of them retested positive.

According to a release from U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, 640 new recruits arrived at Fort Benning and were medically screened and tested by medical professionals. At the time, four tested positive. All 640 recruits entered a 14-day monitoring period, with the four COVID-positive recruits isolated and properly treated.

After the 14-day monitoring period, training operations began with COVID-19 prevention measures in place including masks and social distancing. Despite these efforts, however, eight days after the end of the 14-day monitoring period, one recruit reported to the chain of command with COVID-19 symptoms.

All 640 recruits -- which form 30th AG Battalion and 2nd Battalion, 29th Infantry Regiment -- were retested for COVID-19. After all 640 tests were returned over a two-day period, that same cohort of recruits had a 22 percent COVID-positive rate with 142 positive tests.

[tholdren]

It would be extremely helpful of states to identify and report nosocomial covid infections. The Az and Texas hospital gossip could be eliminated.

[pgardn]

It would be extremely helpful of states to identify and report nosocomial covid infections. The Az and Texas hospital gossip could be eliminated.

Who should be responsible for asking for and gathering the data?

[tholdren]

Who should be responsible for asking for and gathering the data?

The hospitals

[pgardn]

The hospitals

Who will require them to report since you think this is not happening.

[tholdren]

Who will require them to report since you think this is not happening.
The cdc/state, if they want to be transparent. And herein lies the problem. The data being released is neither transparent nor valid to determine policy or public opinion.

[tholdren]

Remember in april when they hotspot chased to South Dakota
Meat packing plant. Going crazy because of 640 case outbreak and the gov didn't shut down?

That was odd.

[pgardn]

The cdc/state, if they want to be transparent. And herein lies the problem. The data being released is neither transparent nor valid to determine policy or public opinion.

How do you know its invalid, how exactly is it invalid, and who is responsible for getting it straightened out.

[baseline bum]

Thread get in here for your 120k special shit sandwich.

Update (18 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 120,688
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

Remember in april when they hotspot chased to South Dakota
Meat packing plant. Going crazy because of 640 case outbreak and the gov didn't shut down?

That was odd.

Welcome to the wild west from the federal government.
The rules are unclear for a number of different useful endeavors dealing with this virus.

[tholdren]

How do you know its invalid, how exactly is it invalid, and who is responsible for getting it straightened out.

Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cases?

This is one of the many problems with the data.

The state should be transparent but they aren't. It also comes down to whoever uses or pushes that data fwd.

[pgardn]

Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cases?

This is one of the many problems with the data.

The state should be transparent but they aren't. It also comes down to whoever uses or pushes that data fwd.

So you do not even have a measure of uncertainty of why a case is counted?

[tholdren]

So you do not even have a measure of uncertainty of why a case is counted?
Standard deviation has nothing to do with the questions I asked you.

[tholdren]

Whoops trying to change that subject

[clambake]

Oh my, trump has already murdered 121,000 Americans

[tholdren]

Lol pgardn lurking and not responding. Lololol

[pgardn]

Standard deviation has nothing to do with the questions I asked you.

wtf are you even saying this does not make sense.

Establish criteria of what is and is not an infection from covid, death from covid... etc...
Are you saying you have never commented on this?

[tholdren]

wtf are you even saying this does not make sense.

Establish criteria of what is and is not an infection from covid, death from covid... etc...
Are you saying you have never commented on this?
Start here... cause you've been avoiding.

Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cases?

This is one of the many problems with the data.

[pgardn]

Lol pgardn lurking and not responding. Lololol

Your are such a dweeb.
Permission to pee sir?

No one is going to run away from you permanently except for the people who have already established you are a fake.
I will post when I feel like it. Its not the least bit difficult to dismiss your thoughts and trash them, it is boring though.

[tholdren]

Start here... cause you've been avoiding.

Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cases?

This is one of the many problems with the data.

Still avoiding. Bwahahahahhahahah

[pgardn]

Start here... cause you've been avoiding.



You are an idiot.
So you dont care how numbers are gathered, you just comment on graphs of your choosing saying incredibly inane things about them.
You are now completely avoiding everything you argued before. How do you even begin to look at over-counting or under-counting if have no capacity to understand the criteria by which data is gathered?

You should stop.

[baseline bum]

Oh my, trump has already murdered 121,000 Americans

That's only of COVID, you forgot to count all the pneumonia deaths tbh.

[tholdren]

and still lurking. Answering my question about the data will prove you wrong, but you already admitted the cdc and state data is inaccurate and unreliable.


LololoI

[pgardn]

Still avoiding. Bwahahahahhahahah

Now we go Middle School.
Wonderful.

bwah.... ? are you serious?

[tholdren]

You are an idiot.
So you dont care how numbers are gathered, you just comment on graphs of your choosing saying incredibly inane things about them.
You are now completely avoiding everything you argued before. How do you even begin to look at over-counting or under-counting if have no capacity to understand the criteria by which data is gathered?

You should stop.

bwahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaha
You just proved me right by saying the cdc data is incorrect. And your afraid to answer the questions but you are too slow to know you are arguing against the cdc data. Lolollokilikk

Man you are sloooooooowwwwwwww

[tholdren]

pgardn still doesn't know he argued the cdc was incorrect

Bwahahahahhahahahahahah

[tholdren]

pgardn said cdc data is not valid or reliable after months of saying it was. Oh my. What a flip flop

[pgardn]

The oldren does not know how to read graphs, justify the labeling of data, or do anything that require statistics.
He thought the virus was the flu.
And he said the virus was fake and then changed it to made by China.

[pgardn]

pgardn said cdc data is not valid or reliable after months of saying it was. Oh my. What a flip flop

Never stated.
Period.

Needs to be scrutinized, absolutely.

[tholdren]

Never stated.
Period.

Needs to be scrutinized, absolutely.

Hahahahha yes you did. See above. You specifically did. Now youre flip-flopping back because you were caught. Lololololol. Funniest thing I have seen in quite some time.

[pgardn]

The oldren passing on conspiracy theories along with TGY about 5G.
But muh data...

did I post this to late, and do you want to make the last post?

[tholdren]

Chumpdumper actually claims there are states that do and don't count probable covid deaths. Lolol. This is false

But he still believes in the accuracy of fatality count.

Hilarious

[tholdren]

Start here... cause you've been avoiding.

Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cases?

This is one of the many problems with the data.
Still waiting for pgardn to answer these questions.... odd he's running away.

[pgardn]

Still waiting for pgardn to answer these questions.... odd he's running away.

Already Answered in the other thread. Do you even read replies?
You are on a feedback loop.
You are allowed to stop mixing and matching stupid statements.

[tholdren]

Still waiting for pgardn to answer these questions.... odd he's running away.
Still didn't answer.

[pgardn]

The oldren passing on conspiracy theories along with TGY about 5G.
But muh data...

did I post this to late, and do you want to make the last post?

[tholdren]

Already Answered in the other thread. Do you even read replies?
You are on a feedback loop.
You are allowed to stop mixing and matching stupid statements.

Lie. You didn't answer. And how stupid to say you answered in a different thread. Lololololololol


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
Hiding and says he answered a question from one thread in another. Lolool

[pgardn]

Still didn't answer.

Liar.
Already answered.

[tholdren]

Already answered.

quote it.

[pgardn]

You have already commented on uncertainty then.
You really dont get this.
Are you some little MS student who has just learned to graph?

And the trends in the data can be extraordinarily subjective unless you use some best fit calculation.
Are you doing this when commenting on trends? They are approximations.

Im not allowed to leave the phone when the oldren is on...
Prick...

[tholdren]

quote it.

he's so enraged and melted down because of fear he's lying about answering questions.... ON OTHER THREADS ,,,,, oh wow.


Pwned

No math no logic all emotional

[tholdren]

he's so enraged and melted down because of fear he's lying about answering questions.... ON OTHER THREADS ,,,,, oh wow.


Pwned

No math no logic all emotional

And he still didn't answer the questions.... but sure did call names. Hahahahhahahahjajahahahhahahahahahahah


HES OWNED!

[tholdren]

he's so enraged and melted down because of fear he's lying about answering questions.... ON OTHER THREADS ,,,,, oh wow.


Pwned

No math no logic all emotional

And he still didn't answer the questions.... but sure did call names. Hahahahhahahahjajahahahhahahahahahahah


HES OWNED!

[pgardn]

Say it again...

[tholdren]

Say it again...

Which part?
The one where you said the cdc data was not valid
The one where you lied about answering the questions
The one that you melted down.


Lol can't even answer simple questions. But you sure can gossip. Lololololol

[pgardn]

post again.

[tholdren]

Already Answered in the other thread. Do you even read replies?
You are on a feedback loop.
You are allowed to stop mixing and matching stupid statements.

still yet to answer
Back logging data- You have to stay in your house until there are 0 new cases reported, and for 5 following days I give you these case new case counts

3, 7, 9, 1, 9 could you come out of your house?

What if I told you those were all cases that were given to me 7 weeks ago, I just hadn't put them in until those dates?

What does that do to the data? Is it valid? Is it reliable?
What does it do to trend data? Should those numbers be used for policy of keeping me in my home of no dates are given with the cas

[TimDunkem]

F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5F5

[tholdren]

Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

How did this go?

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[TimDunkem]

F5F5F5F5F5F5

[tholdren]

TimDunkem was saying he had covid. He went to work
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

[pgardn]

TimDunkem was saying he had covid. He went to work
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

You dont have a job.
Post again.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao Bumdren

F5F5F5F5F5

[tholdren]

Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

[TimDunkem]

:lol Bumdren saves our posts.

[TimDunkem]

"This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list"

[pgardn]

TimDunkem was saying he had covid. He went to work
Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

Yet Another lie.
Post again.

[tholdren]

Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML
Karen time

[clambake]

That's only of COVID, you forgot to count all the pneumonia deaths tbh.

Oh that’s right, I forgot how they’re hiding another 12,000 dead Texans.

So sad. Travis, Bowie and Crockett are disgusted.

[clambake]

Oh dear, 133,000 dead Americans. Trump better hope there’s no god

[boutons_deux]

Oh dear, 133,000 dead Americans. Trump better hope there’s no god

at least 150K dead now, 200K by Nov 3 is practically guaranteed.

and 1.5M more unemployed now, well past the USA peak

==============

Now troubles are many
There're as
Deep as a well

I can swear there ain't no Heaven

But I pray there ain't no hell

Swear there ain't no Heaven
And I'll pray there ain't no hell (https://genius.com/Blood-sweat-and-tears-and-when-i-die-lyrics#note-2562434)
But I'll never know by livin'
Only my dyin' will tell, yes, only my
Dyin' will tell, oh yeah
Only my dyin' will tell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gxwutvlTw8

[David Hogg]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) get in here for your 120k special shit sandwich.

Update (18 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 120,688
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...
Thread hiding from his own shit stained legacy here.

[tholdren]

According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).

Lol ChumpDumper

[tholdren]

The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.


Just keeps getting better. Bwahahahhahahahahahhahshahshshahahahahsh
I am always right!

[ChumpDumper]

lol tholdren melting down for three months after saying it's the flu

[tholdren]

According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).

Lol ChumpDumper

Sorry science and math side with me. Lololololololol

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry science and math side with me. Lololololololollol no links ever

tholdren melting down three months after calling it the flu

Will never recover. Will only cry out for me and other men.

[tholdren]

lol no links ever

tholdren melting down three months after calling it the flu

Will never recover. Will only cry out for me and other men.

Bwaahahahahhahahahahahhahaha it will drop even lower if cases being reported continues to lower mean and median ages. Oh man. Not good for you and RandomGuy.

[ChumpDumper]

tholdren lost his mind three months ago when he said 10k would die tops.

[tholdren]

tholdren lost his mind three months ago when he said 10k would die tops.

Can't prove me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Can't prove me wrong.:lol you were wrong.

[tholdren]

:lol you were wrong.

lololololol changing subject and no proof. Bwahahahahhahahahahhahah typical gossip

[ChumpDumper]

lololololol changing subject and no proof. Bwahahahahhahahahahhahah typical gossip:lmao wrong tholdren accusing anyone of changing the subject

[tholdren]

Lol ChumpDumper tell us more about cases and ifr. Quick RandomGuy and TimDunkem help your alt out.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren still melting down

sees his enemies everywhere

too easy

[tholdren]

chumpdump says family gatherings dangerous. Bwahahahhahahahahahhaha

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren says no one will die. Bwahahahhahahahahahhaha

[baseline bum]

tholdren lost his mind three months ago when he said 10k would die tops.

You have a link to that faggot saying it? WTF kind of moron would expect only 10k deaths in the US when Italy hit that mark so quickly?

[tholdren]

You have a link to that faggot saying it? WTF kind of moron would expect only 10k deaths in the US when Italy hit that mark so quickly?

You must not read anout comorbidities... sad you are unable to do that

[baseline bum]

You must not read anout comorbidities... sad you are unable to do that

I took you off ignore for a second thinking maybe you'd provide a link to your 10k prediction, but nope, it's 121,735.

[baseline bum]

Imagine thinking only 10k would die and it's really ~122k with a projected 5% of the nation having been infected when we'll possibly need 60% to 70% infection to end the pandemic. (source: Michael Osterholm on Chris Wallace's Sunday show last week)

[tholdren]

I took you off ignore for a second thinking maybe you'd provide a link to your 10k prediction, but nope, it's 121,735.

No its not. We are talking only attributed to covid. Just like thencontext. Which was when I told ChumpDumper they would count deaths like alcohol related fatalities. Which he said there was no way they would do that..... and here we are. Im right.

[clambake]

I took you off ignore for a second thinking maybe you'd provide a link to your 10k prediction, but nope, it's 121,735.

Don’t forget about the 25,000 trump pneumonia deaths.

[baseline bum]

No its not. We are talking only attributed to covid. Just like thencontext. Which was when I told ChumpDumper they would count deaths like alcohol related fatalities. Which he said there was no way they would do that..... and here we are. Im right.

Oh yeah they're all guys crashing their car into trees with COVID. So ChumpDumper isn't lying when he said you predicted there would be only ~10k COVID deaths in the US? I'll take you off ignore for this one too.

[ChumpDumper]

I took you off ignore for a second thinking maybe you'd provide a link to your 10k prediction, but nope, it's 121,735.He was talking about the "epidemiologist" who apparently only made one model in his life and predicted 10k deaths tops from COVID. He really thought he had something.

[tholdren]

He was talking about the "epidemiologist" who apparently only made one model in his life and predicted 10k deaths tops from COVID. He really thought he had something.

No I didn't. I took it from data that was released from other countries identifying covid only as a less than 4 percent fatality from covid deaths. Which is still proving to be true. You will never be able to prove usa rate of covid only because of their methodology of case counting. This is also a fact.

But continue to gossip

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

So you never thought it would be only 10k COVID deaths in the US?

[Splits]

& if so:::

I'll stand the gaffe.

I never hide my shit.

It's my religion.

Hiding your shit.

[Splits]

You have a link to that faggot saying it? WTF kind of moron would expect only 10k deaths in the US when Italy hit that mark so quickly?


in 10 days you are going to be at 1k/day, escalating, with no end in sight.

Not I.

[Splits]

Update (20 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 121,407
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[baseline bum]

Thread man, Splits went to all that time to make you your shit sandwich. You gonna come eat it? Or you already got one foot in the mass grave?

[spurraider21]

how come we aren't still using ElNono post count as the next milestone?

[TimDunkem]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) man, Splits (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=24583) went to all that time to make you your shit sandwich. You gonna come eat it? Or you already got one foot in the mass grave?
Unless he's already in the mass grave and Katie girl is looking through his depraved search history, that MF'er is here and he's lurking daily.

Hiding his shit.

[Splits]

Dale driving to Tulsa, hopin' he ain't late...

[tholdren]

So you never thought it would be only 10k COVID deaths in the US?

I thought that covid only deaths, Deaths caused specifically by covid without any other comorbidities would hit 10k. Which is why I also stated that there would never be a tru count because of the way the cdc would mandate reporting. This shocked ChumpDumper because he thought that there would be accurate, valid and reliable data to easily prove or disprove.

So here we are 3 months later. People are still posting these numbers like they are accurate. When it has been proven that they are not on various levels.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren

[TimDunkem]

th:lolldren

:lol

[baseline bum]

I thought that covid only deaths, Deaths caused specifically by covid without any other comorbidities would hit 10k. Which is why I also stated that there would never be a tru count because of the way the cdc would mandate reporting. This shocked ChumpDumper because he thought that there would be accurate, valid and reliable data to easily prove or disprove.

So here we are 3 months later. People are still posting these numbers like they are accurate. When it has been proven that they are not on various levels.

So if you're a fat person that dies of pneumonia that shouldn't count as a pneumonia death?

[baseline bum]

Or an old person who dies of the flu is not a flu death?

[tholdren]

Or an old person who dies of the flu is not a flu death?
Age is not a comorbidity.

[baseline bum]

Age is not a comorbidity.

How about an old fat person who dies of the flu? Is that a flu death? Or a person with high blood pressure who dies of pneumonia? Is that a pneumonia death?

[tholdren]

How about an old fat person who dies of the flu? Is that a flu death? Or a person with high blood pressure who dies of pneumonia? Is that a pneumonia death?
Do you know what cormorbidity means? Your questions make it seem like you do not.

The data should be transparent enough for a person to understand the risk when making any decision based on numbers. Unfortunately logic isn't being used. As you see everyone has a completely different take because of the context they have with the data.

You are scared it seems. So case numbers bother you, like many others. But that should not be what is driving the public policy because the data collection and representation varies from state to state and locality to locality.

Even neIl furguson stated, who I do not enjoy, expressed that the people who are the most at risk were nearing end of life regardless.

The states are opening. Median age is getting lower. This is the process.

[tholdren]

If the age stays solid like it has been in fl. That's good news. Especially since deaths are falling in the states of increased cases.

This will increase immunity and decrease ifr even lower.

Nc is messing around and not reporting negatives. That's a problem.

Nj said they are going to data dump probable cases from the lockdown into next week. This is a problem....

Medical coding is a problem

[baseline bum]

Do you know what cormorbidity means? Your questions make it seem like you do not.

The data should be transparent enough for a person to understand the risk when making any decision based on numbers. Unfortunately logic isn't being used. As you see everyone has a completely different take because of the context they have with the data.

You are scared it seems. So case numbers bother you, like many others. But that should not be what is driving the public policy because the data collection and representation varies from state to state and locality to locality.

Even neIl furguson stated, who I do not enjoy, expressed that the people who are the most at risk were nearing end of life regardless.

The states are opening. Median age is getting lower. This is the process.

No what's a cormorbidity? You're so desperate to minimize something that has killed 122k Americans despite likely infecting only a small fraction of them so far.

[tholdren]

No what's a cormorbidity? You're so desperate to minimize something that has killed 122k Americans despite likely infecting only a small fraction of them so far.
Not sure if the first question was sarcasm. Statistics have always shown for this disease, like other diseases, the most at risk are always at risk.

This is evident by the numbers you cite as deaths from covid. Thousands of those are not even confirmed and only had to show a symptom. Symptoms that look identical to flu or rhinovirus, so the folks that passed away from either of those, were again the most likely to succumb to any infection.

[Spurminator]

1274500811486228482

[ElNono]

1274500811486228482

If he could only order "his people" to slow the deaths down

[tholdren]

If he could only order "his people" to slow the deaths down

Cdc inflation

[baseline bum]

If he could only order "his people" to slow the deaths down

Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lots of extra pneumonia deaths this year man.

[ElNono]

Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lots of extra pneumonia deaths this year man.

Following Dear Leader's lead, no low is too low.

[tholdren]

Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lots of extra pneumonia deaths this year man.
Not as many as they should. Some of those are listed as probable covid deaths... seems untruthful you are ok with probable deaths being used to inflate covid fatalities but skeptical of the other fatalities. Almost seems political

[tholdren]

Following Dear Leader's lead, no low is too low.

not as low as using a pandemic as a political strategy....

[baseline bum]

Not as many as they should. Some of those are listed as probable covid deaths... seems untruthful you are ok with probable deaths being used to inflate covid fatalities but skeptical of the other fatalities. Almost seems political

Yeah who would ever expect pneumonia going up 4x to 5x vs every other year in the beginning of the COVID pandemic to be caused by COVID when the main way COVID kills is by inducing pneumonia?

[baseline bum]

Thread man, are you dead already? Should I come fuck your mother in your place? Nevertheless,

Update (20 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 121,980
El Nono post count: 130,001
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[ElNono]

lol @ blaming the CDC, which is run by.... the Executive...

[boutons_deux]

Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lots of extra pneumonia deaths this year man.

add if all the excess "pneumonia" deaths in the lying, undercounting Confederacy to the 118 official death count, then we are well over 150K

============

New York City Has Seen More Than 24,000 Excess Deaths During COVID-19

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-05-11/cdc-24-000-excess-deaths-in-new-york-city-during-coronavirus-pandemic

[tholdren]

lol @ blaming the CDC, which is run by.... the Executive...
Lol acting like trump collects and reports the data. All he can do is take the advice of fauci, who has flip flopped more times than the WHO

[clambake]

Oh no, my math says 141,000 dead from trump plague already.

[ElNono]

lol ghost of march and april predicting 10k deaths calling other people flip floppers.

[TimDunkem]

lol ghost of march and april predicting 10k deaths calling other people flip floppers.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

lol ghost of march and april predicting 10k deaths calling other people flip floppers.:rollin

[baseline bum]

Lol acting like trump collects and reports the data. All he can do is take the advice of fauci, who has flip flopped more times than the WHO

That faggot hasn't talked to Fauci in weeks. Trump couldn't give two fucks about the havoc the pandemic is unleashing on us.

[baseline bum]

lol ghost of march and april predicting 10k deaths calling other people flip floppers.

Holy fuck, ElNono going in raw with no vaseline.

[ElNono]

DeSantis pivots on Covid-19 surge, says testing doesn't account for spike

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Saturday that the rising number of new Covid-19 cases in Florida cannot be explained away by an increase in testing, and announced plans to step up enforcement of social distancing practices in bars and nightclubs.

“Even with the testing increasing or being flat, the number of people testing positive is accelerating faster than that,” DeSantis told reporters during a briefing at the state Capitol. “You know that's evidence that there's transmission within those communities.”

The Florida Department of Health reported more than 4,000 new Covid-19 diagnoses on Friday, the latest peak in positive Florida cases that began climbing about a month after the state began reopening its economy on May 4. The rate of new coronavirus cases has more than doubled over the past 10 days. On Friday, just over 12 percent of test results came back positive for Covid-19, which is an increase from 5.5 percent on June 10, according to a report by the Florida Department of Health.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/20/desantis-pivots-on-covid-19-surge-says-testing-doesnt-account-for-spike-1293901

---

Good to hear he's acknowledging it at least.

[TimDunkem]

DeSantis pivots on Covid-19 surge, says testing doesn't account for spike

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Saturday that the rising number of new Covid-19 cases in Florida cannot be explained away by an increase in testing, and announced plans to step up enforcement of social distancing practices in bars and nightclubs.

“Even with the testing increasing or being flat, the number of people testing positive is accelerating faster than that,” DeSantis told reporters during a briefing at the state Capitol. “You know that's evidence that there's transmission within those communities.”

The Florida Department of Health reported more than 4,000 new Covid-19 diagnoses on Friday, the latest peak in positive Florida cases that began climbing about a month after the state began reopening its economy on May 4. The rate of new coronavirus cases has more than doubled over the past 10 days. On Friday, just over 12 percent of test results came back positive for Covid-19, which is an increase from 5.5 percent on June 10, according to a report by the Florida Department of Health.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/20/desantis-pivots-on-covid-19-surge-says-testing-doesnt-account-for-spike-1293901

---

Good to hear he's acknowledging it at least.

th:loldren will still say it's the increased testing.

[baseline bum]

DeSantis pivots on Covid-19 surge, says testing doesn't account for spike

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Ron DeSantis acknowledged on Saturday that the rising number of new Covid-19 cases in Florida cannot be explained away by an increase in testing, and announced plans to step up enforcement of social distancing practices in bars and nightclubs.

“Even with the testing increasing or being flat, the number of people testing positive is accelerating faster than that,” DeSantis told reporters during a briefing at the state Capitol. “You know that's evidence that there's transmission within those communities.”

The Florida Department of Health reported more than 4,000 new Covid-19 diagnoses on Friday, the latest peak in positive Florida cases that began climbing about a month after the state began reopening its economy on May 4. The rate of new coronavirus cases has more than doubled over the past 10 days. On Friday, just over 12 percent of test results came back positive for Covid-19, which is an increase from 5.5 percent on June 10, according to a report by the Florida Department of Health.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/20/desantis-pivots-on-covid-19-surge-says-testing-doesnt-account-for-spike-1293901

---

Good to hear he's acknowledging it at least.

Now El going in on rmt with no vaseline too. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Desantis should close a bunch of hospitals which would reduce the rate of hospitalizations

[boutons_deux]

Repugs MISgoverning towards Twin Peaks

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=~USA

[tholdren]

Desantis should close a bunch of hospitals which would reduce the rate of hospitalizations
I believe there are only 472 covid positive currently hospitalized in fl.

[TimDunkem]

tholdren lies. Over 200 people were hospitalized with Covid in FL yesterday.

[tholdren]

tholdren lies. Over 200 people were hospitalized with Covid in FL yesterday.

Daily hospitalization doesn't have anything to do with current hospitalization. Why do you post these things?

[TimDunkem]

Bumdren lies.

[tholdren]

Bumdren lies.

Where's your proof?

[pgardn]

Daily hospitalization doesn't have anything to do with current hospitalization. Why do you post these things?

yes it does

it will more than likely increase the overall number of people in hospitals damn fool
you know, the hospitals with workers and or physical space that has never been a problem.

idiot...

[tholdren]

yes it does

it will more than likely increase the overall number of people in hospitals damn fool
you know, the hospitals with workers and or physical space that has never been a problem.

idiot...
Not as a stand alone stat nor if you dont know how hospitalizations are calculated or reported. Your logic is poor and you resort to name calling. Loloololololl

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about

[tholdren]

th:loldren will still say it's the increased testing.

You can't prove its not.

[TimDunkem]

lololololol Meeeeeeltdoooooown :lol

[tholdren]

Not as a stand alone stat nor if you dont know how hospitalizations are calculated or reported. Your logic is poor and you resort to name calling. Loloololololl

Once again you have no idea what you are talking about

you can be a new case positive by never having a confirmed test.

You can only be recovered with a test.

Covid will continue forever

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren demanding people prove negatives

[Will Hunting]

I’m still waiting for an explanation in why the mere increase in testing hasn’t resulted in NY/NJ/MA having more cases.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao th:lolldren

[ElNono]

I’m still waiting for an explanation in why the mere increase in testing hasn’t resulted in NY/NJ/MA having more cases.

Maybe there's no El Pollo Loco in those states?

[baseline bum]

:cry RIP Thread, sorry to see you in a mass grave :cry

I'll still carry on the count in your honor.

Update (21 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 122,247
El Nono post count: 130,035
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

th:lolldren demanding people prove negatives

Your logic is poor.

[boutons_deux]

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=~USA

[pgardn]

Your logic is poor.

You dare talk about logic.
You can't even follow simple math rules.

[tholdren]

You dare talk about logic.
You can't even follow simple math rules.

Lol you said exponential growth. You have no logic or understanding of math. Sad.

[RandomGuy]

:cry RIP Thread, sorry to see you in a mass grave :cry

I'll still carry on the count in your honor.

Update (21 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 122,247
El Nono post count: 130,035
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...
ROFL...

Tholdren 12,816

[pgardn]

ROFL...

Tholdren 12,816

Bwah.... ha.

[baseline bum]

ROFL...

Tholdren 12,816

That little boy isn't worth adding to the list tbh

[RandomGuy]

https://rt.live/?fbclid=IwAR2SuH8QiblnU-l6jTKG8ldLTV8LUe2IswF1Nczt67JQ02i2x4lLQiLpzRs


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=~USA

Interesting. They adjusted their estimate to account for testing increases. Most states now in the red, showing an acceleration of the spread.

At 1.13 and six days of being infectious that means Texas' count will double in about 32 days or so, if it is accurate. Trend looks flatish, but with more and more businesses opening, i would guess it will bump up.

we are already seeing area ICUs taken in about what they can absorb and not get overwhelmed. Double the cases and keep that number over one, we will see the available capacity start to get strained within about four weeks.

[TimDunkem]

th:lolldren

[Splits]

Problem solved!

1275095890064261120

[tholdren]

Interesting. They adjusted their estimate to account for testing increases. Most states now in the red, showing an acceleration of the spread.

At 1.13 and six days of being infectious that means Texas' count will double in about 32 days or so, if it is accurate. Trend looks flatish, but with more and more businesses opening, i would guess it will bump up.

we are already seeing area ICUs taken in about what they can absorb and not get overwhelmed. Double the cases and keep that number over one, we will see the available capacity start to get strained within about four weeks.

wrong.

[pgardn]

wrong.

Incorrect.

[tholdren]

Incorrect.
You back again. The last time you had an opinion you argued yourself in a circle and admitted cdc data fraud. Loloololol

Tell us how many exact cases happened today. Lol your logic

[pgardn]

You back again. The last time you had an opinion you argued yourself in a circle and admitted cdc data fraud. Loloololol

Tell us how many exact cases happened today. Lol your logic

Incorrect.
Show my opinion to the board.

Lets talk about this flu.

[tholdren]

Incorrect.
Show my opinion to the board.

Lets talk about this flu.
Sure, go state by state. Reference past flu seasons with this. I assume you already have though, since you post about it and all. And you would never post anything you didn't actually look into, right?

O.... wait.... you didn't even understand that the data being reported as daily contains data from in the past. Lol.
R0!!!

[pgardn]

Sure, go state by state. Reference past flu seasons with this. I assume you already have though, since you post about it and all. And you would never post anything you didn't actually look into, right?

O.... wait.... you didn't even understand that the data being reported as daily contains data from in the past. Lol.
R0!!!

Excellent.
Lets start with the fact the viruses are very different.

Admit that to begin with.
And then talk about the vaccines to the flu and covid.
Go.

[tholdren]

Excellent.
Lets start with the fact the viruses are very different.

Admit that to begin with.
And then talk about the vaccines to the flu and covid.
Go.
Viruses can be different just as they can be similar. Dont really care about vaccinations.

[pgardn]

Viruses can be different just as they can be similar. Dont really care about vaccinations.

People can be very different and very similar.
Earth shaking stuff.
The virus is very simple, the simplest biological reproducing unit we know of.
So just say something.


Of course you dont.
You know nothing about them and dont care to.
Just like all your other shit.

Goodbye.

[tholdren]

People can be very different and very similar.
Earth shaking stuff.
The virus is very simple, the simplest biological reproducing unit we know of.
So just say something.


Of course you dont.
You know nothing about them and dont care to.
Just like all your other shit.

Goodbye.

Bwahahahaha you wanted to make some trap about vax. Lololololololol.

This is your logic. Ask a question when you are asked a question. = avoidance

Criticize someone for not gossiping = dishonest

Use foul language and name-calling when not getting way or opinion you agree with = immature.

Lol you

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren never answers any questions

[tholdren]

Viruses can be different just as they can be similar. Dont really care about vaccinations.

whoops ChumpDumper lied again

[ChumpDumper]

whoops ChumpDumper lied againwhoops you called it the flu.

Then you hid in your bunker for three months.

[TimDunkem]

Bunker th:lolldren

[RandomGuy]

Incorrect.
Show my opinion to the board.

Lets talk about this flu.

Dude simply lies about what others say. Good luck getting him to do the work, tho.

Keep talking to him, and he will keep lying about what you say.

Better:
This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[tholdren]

Many colleges going to be in person during fall. ChumpDumper sad.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren lies

[RandomGuy]

ROFL...

Tholdren 12,816

Day later:

Tholdren 12884

Let us proceed.

[baseline bum]

Thread man, this one's for you...

Update (23 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 123,475
El Nono post count: 130,113
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[baseline bum]

Update (24 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 124,273
El Nono post count: 130,130
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

ifr.... going to be less than flu if trends continue. That will not be good for ChumpDumper.

[tholdren]

ifr.... going to be less than flu if trends continue. That will not be good for ChumpDumper.

hospitals flipping inpatient into covid hospitalization. Lol why not.

[ChumpDumper]

th:lolldren called it the flu and hid in his bunker for three months. Nothing has been good for him since.

[clambake]

This guy makes ducks seem intellectual

[tholdren]

th:lolldren called it the flu and hid in his bunker for three months. Nothing has been good for him since.

Less than per cdc.

[Brazil]

This guy makes ducks seem intellectual

:lol

[tholdren]

:lol

Lol. Silly you

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYjU5MzU4NjAtZWJjMC00MTllLTkwYjYtMzE 4ODY1YjAyMGU2IiwidCI6ImI3MjgwODdjLTgwZTgtNGQzMS04Y jZmLTdlMGUzYmUxMGUwOCIsImMiOjN9

[baseline bum]

Update (25 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 124,866
El Nono post count: 130,153
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k


Let us proceed...

[tholdren]

Total US COVID Deaths
Mar15-Mar31: 4116
Apr1 - Apr14: 21,766
Apr15-Apr30: 28,616
states started opening
May1-May14: 21,014
May15-May31: 16,618
Jun1-Jun14: 10,005

[TimDunkem]

Update (25 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 126,780
El Nono post count: 130,156
th:lolldren post count: 12,948
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[baseline bum]

Update (25 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 126,780
El Nono post count: 130,156
th:lolldren post count: 12,948
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Man thinking this thread might really start getting ugly if Houston is going to go full Brazil

[tholdren]

Man thinking this thread might really start getting ugly if Houston is going to go full Brazil

ships are on their way

[tholdren]

So, what is the best occupancy rate?

The answer is… it depends. I like having a midnight census of about 85% on Monday through Wednesday. That 15% buffer allows us to overlap that day’s admissions with that day’s discharges in the afternoons and also give us rooms to put the new admission in while we are cleaning the recently vacated rooms. Thursdays and Fridays, I like a midnight census of 80%. On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 75% is acceptable because our surgical floors are starting to empty out and we reduce scheduled nursing staff accordingly.

[tholdren]

Man thinking this thread might really start getting ugly if Houston is going to go full Brazil

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.

[boutons_deux]

USA daily confirmed cases today is 94/million, vs USA peak of 96/million on 11 April

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc (https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc)

Heckuva job, Donnie

[tholdren]

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.

[boutons_deux]

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[Brazil]

Lol. Silly you

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:lol what a fucking idiot tbh... ducks found his master.. dear god

[boutons_deux]

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26 JUN 2020 FRI - Coronavirus
Source: Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
USA
Confirmed Cases: 2,422,312 (+40,943 new cases)
Total Deaths: 124,415 (+2,436 new deaths) *(See below)
Total Recoveries: 663,562 (+7,401 more recoveries)
Case Fatality Rate (deaths/cases x 100): 5.1% (no change%)
Total Tested: 28,567,355 (+640,465 new tests)

The USA is now posting record numbers of new cases per day, surpassing 40,000 new cases for the first time. Since the numbers have been trending towards this progression each day, we know that this is not just an aberrant data point. We are now posting record numbers of new cases as COVID-19 starts spreading in states that have been relatively un-hit by the spread of COVID-19.

*There is one statistic that is particularly worrisome, and that is the increase in the number of deaths. For the first time since May 6, the number of deaths jumped from below 1,000 deaths per day to 2,436. While we are expecting a rise in deaths, this sudden jump suggests that this might be an aberrant data point - and as we investigate what happened in the past day, we find out that it almost certainly is. Yesterday, the state of New Jersey decided to add in "probable fatalities" into their deaths. To make this clear, before yesterday, NJ was only reporting confirmed deaths to COVID-19 - but now they have changed their protocol to add deaths that they think are "likely due to COVID-19, but not confirmed," and as a result they have added 1,850 deaths that were "probably due to COVID-19." When we subtract these 1,850 deaths, there have been 586 confirmed deaths to COVID-19, which is similar to what it has been for the past week.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jerseys-covid-19-death-toll-rises-14-when-probable-fatalities-added-11593109913 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jerseys-covid-19-death-toll-rises-14-when-probable-fatalities-added-11593109913?fbclid=IwAR1mqnZFh053rTEDqVLdoNM-93Q6orWHk2SXnmXbmKWiUIxDdOM8Zz04lbU)

This is further confirmed when we look at the New York Times charts regarding new cases and deaths. I posted the image, and we can see the jump in the last number of deaths, which the New York Times has highlighted in YELLOW, with an explanation "NJ RELEASED PROBABLE DATA." They indicate that this is a "data anomaly," and they have put in the explanation as to why this number exists. These changes in protocols really complicate the use of these charts in predicting what to expect in this disease process. It will be interesting to see how the New York Times decides to handle these anomalies. They may continue to post them in YELLOW to highlight that this is an aberrant data point.

What this means is that we are still keeping the number of deaths down, despite the increase in cases. The problem is that as cases continue to worsen, we are starting to edge towards overwhelming our medical systems - and when that happens, we should expect the death toll to significantly worsen. Texas has been reporting record days, reporting over 4,000 cases in a single day for the first time - and hospitals in Houston are reporting that their ICUs are filled. If the spread of this disease continues to worsen today, it will overwhelm their medical system's ability to care for the severe cases.

To avoid this eventual complication - the increase in deaths that occurs when the medical systems are overwhelmed - states have been implementing various restrictions. Back in April, states were completely shutting down all businesses except those that were considered "essential." However, this action severely damaged the American economy, and the number of unemployed Americans topped 20 million during that time.

We now find ourselves in a situation where we must make some hard decisions if we are going to slow down the spread of COVID-19 in the states that have been hit the worst. If we are trying to avoid damaging our economy further, we need a solution that will curb the spread of the disease without shutting down our businesses - and the solution is simple.

Countries that have instituted "mandatory mask wearing" have all shown curves where they have kept the spread of COVID-19 down - and there has been no worsening since the policy was instituted.

50 countries have made mask wearing mandatory, and as we research these countries, we can see that there are varying degrees of success - although all of these countries have done better than nations that did not institute mandatory mask wearing.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/countries-wearing-face-masks-compulsory-200423094510867.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/countries-wearing-face-masks-compulsory-200423094510867.html?fbclid=IwAR0qJTxBdqFP1Lyu4UCs edwxqtUYRwu76aI1L7OrVkD2IIsPXAiRNpJ3oNM)

As more nations are figuring out this pattern, more nations are making the wearing of surgical masks mandatory - and now we are seeing more and more regions in the USA institute similar policies.

As of THURSDAY, 18 states have made the wearing of masks mandatory in public places, including

CA, CN DE, HI, IL, KY, ME, MD, MA, MI, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, PA, RI, WA, and Washington, DC.

The bottom line is this: COVID-19 is spreading, and this spread is the worst that it has been up to this point. While the death rate is still low, we can see the signs that we are starting to overwhelm our medical systems in certain communities - and we should expect this to worsen in the next week.

At some point in this next week, we will likely see the number of deaths worsen also. We need to do something to fight this worsening, and our choices are to shut down our government again, or to try a new tactic, like making the wearing of masks mandatory - and this is what we are seeing in several communities.

The choices are to either

start wearing masks,

shut down the economy, or

watch COVID-19 spread throughout our community like a forest fire - which is essentially what we have been doing for the past few weeks -

and to no surprise, it's been working. It turns out when we reopened our businesses and just asked people nicely to practice social distancing, many people didn't participate - and an expected increase in COVID-19 cases followed.

I am not sure why the wearing of masks has become a political issue. If we know that this is something that will help prevent the spread of the disease and save lives, it seems very basic that people would want to do this. However, instead, we have

social media promotions teaching people that "mask wearing actually CAUSES cases of COVID-19."

There are people teaching other people that "mask wearing is killing people," and we have people believing it.

I am seeing more and more posts trying to convince Americans that "this is all a hoax."

Even with an overwhelming amount of scientific data, a significant part of our population is convinced that mask wearing is not a benefit - and they are going to refuse to do it unless it is made mandatory by law (and they may still refuse even if it is made mandatory).

Today is a very difficult day, but it is basically a continuation of what we saw yesterday: we are seeing record increase in new cases, and we will likely continue to set new records for at least another week. The number of deaths is continuing to remain low, although today's data is showing an aberration that was caused by the state of New Jersey starting to report deaths that they think are probably due to COVID-19, but not confirmed.

However, we are starting to see hospitalizations increase and ICUs become overwhelmed, so we should expect the death rate to worsen next week. And as these numbers continue to worsen, we will see another PANIC start to set in. In fact, in AUSTRALIA, they experienced a mild increase, and everyone went out and hoarded all of the toilet paper they could find. Toilet paper is once again in short supply because of the panic - and we should expect this to happen here in the USA.

As Americans start to realize that we are back in the same place we were at back in April,

Americans will start to hoard supplies, just as they are doing in Australia - so be prepared for this.

We all need to do our small part to prevent the disease, so continue to practice social distancing, and encourage everyone to wear a mask in public. If we do nothing, then we will eventually find ourselves shutting down our businesses once again - and this has been devastating, so we should do whatever we can to avoid this. Be safe, and encourage everyone else to be safe as well.

-- Facebook page of Sean Mahan (https://www.facebook.com/smmahan?__tn__=%2CdC-R-R&eid=ARATb8TZriGqNcUQPnGw45vGFCKTOunaxWcsRnAi5GkLK8 2E_pYAW_RJdUZGQPyC2s5D0Mq74O54POWn&hc_ref=ARQWKfeisvxjJqJdvTkvFFVdAecJu4Zg-KFKnpEolHzHFHMe8F_fMUmcPj-g4hIEv84&fref=nf)

[tholdren]

Even Nytimes is learning
Even at 0.26 percent, the rate is still significantly higher than influenza most years, more comparable to a bad flu strain like the 1968 Hong Kong flu

[pgardn]

Even Nytimes is learning
Even at 0.26 percent, the rate is still significantly higher than influenza most years, more comparable to a bad flu strain like the 1968 Hong Kong flu

Still stuck on rates when the overall numbers of people getting infected goes by the wayside.
You, are an idiot.

[pgardn]

And now you say its no longer a mild flu.
Absolute fool.

Dont go changing.

[tholdren]

Still stuck on rates when the overall numbers of people getting infected goes by the wayside.
You, are an idiot.

Even Nytimes is learning
Even at 0.26 percent, the rate is still significantly higher than influenza most years, more comparable to a bad flu strain like the 1968 Hong Kong flu

[RandomGuy]

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.

Maybe you can tell me all about how NICU beds, blood donation beds, and psych beds are useful for COVID patients again.

keep gossiping you stupid motherfucker

[RandomGuy]

:lol what a fucking idiot tbh... ducks found his master.. dear god

Dude is getting dunked on my hater.

[RandomGuy]

Man thinking this thread might really start getting ugly if Houston is going to go full Brazil

I really wonder how much fatality data Republican governors are hiding. Fuck man, we bitched about China hiding shit, now it is our own totalitarian party going full on 1984 doublespeak.

I have already run the calcs. Texas hospitals are on a trajectory to be overwhelmed, and that is unavoidable at this point, barring a complete lockdown, which will not happen because the Trump party will not want to admit it fucked up.

Doulbeplusungood.

[TimDunkem]

:lol what a fucking idiot tbh... ducks found his master.. dear god


Dude is getting dunked on my hater.


He said upstairs about a year or two ago that he used to be an athlete and knows more about basketball than anyone, and no NBA player has any sort of skill.

Now he's a medical expert.

He's honestly like the result of an evil splicing experiment combining the worst traits of the forum's worst posters. It's like someone combined the intelligence of ducks, the fake backstory and relentless lying of Avante, and the unrelenting angry ankle biting of Derp into one ultimate shitty poster.

[RandomGuy]

He said upstairs about a year or two ago that he used to be an athlete and knows more about basketball than anyone, and no NBA player has any sort of skill.

Now he's a medical expert.

He's honestly like the result of an evil splicing experiment combining the worst traits of the forum's worst posters. It's like someone combined the intelligence of ducks, the fake backstory and relentless lying of Avante, and the unrelenting angry ankle biting of Derp into one ultimate shitty poster.

FUCKING NAILED IT. :clap :worthy:

This. :tu

[TimDunkem]

:lol th:lolldren worst poster confirmed.

[baseline bum]

:lol th:lolldren worst poster confirmed.

That's why god made ignore lists

[tholdren]

Man thinking this thread might really start getting ugly if Houston is going to go full Brazil

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[pgardn]

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.

Gossip.

[tholdren]

You continue to gossip
Dr. Marc Boom, of Houston Methodist, said those numbers don’t fully tell the capacity story.

“Just that number is being misinterpreted and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now,” Boom said.
Pgardn says he knows more about the houston hospitals than doctors in Houston hospitals.

I'll call Marc and let him know 2 more weeks

[baseline bum]

Update (26 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 127,619
El Nono post count: 130,228
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

[ElNono]

Update (26 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 127,619
El Nono post count: 130,228
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...

Damn, gotta post more...

[DarrinS]

Update (26 June 2020):::

Trump's Corona Plague dead: 127,619
El Nono post count: 130,228
Regular Flu dead: 23+k
Spanish Flu dead: 275k
Obama's H1N1 Flu dead: 12.5k

Let us proceed...


The dude you're trying to dunk on -- think he's still with us?

[TimDunkem]

The dude you're trying to dunk on -- think he's still with us?
He's active all the time.

[spurraider21]

Damn, gotta post more...
give chump your password tbh

[DarrinS]

I really wonder how much fatality data Republican governors are hiding. Fuck man, we bitched about China hiding shit, now it is our own totalitarian party going full on 1984 doublespeak.

I have already run the calcs. Texas hospitals are on a trajectory to be overwhelmed, and that is unavoidable at this point, barring a complete lockdown, which will not happen because the Trump party will not want to admit it fucked up.

Doulbeplusungood.


Uh, ok.

[baseline bum]

The dude you're trying to dunk on -- think he's still with us?

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320

Last Activity: 8 Hours Ago

He can dish it but he can't take it. Right Thread?

[tholdren]

Swedish state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell says the World Health Organization made "a total mistake" when it included Sweden in a list of countries seeing a resurgence of the coronavirus. The WHO misinterpreted the Swedish data, Tegnell said.

"It is a total mistake," Tegnell said, according to Swedish public broadcaster Sveriges Radio.

Sweden has been closely watched because of its controversial approach to the COVID-19 pandemic. While the country has urged people to practice physical distancing and follow other safety precautions, it has not ordered a strict shutdown. While many of its European neighbors endured three months of austere conditions, Sweden allowed most of its bars, restaurants, schools and retail stores to remain open.

Tegnell's remarks were a retort to a warning from Dr. Hans Henri P. Kluge, the WHO's regional director for Europe, who said on Thursday that in Sweden and 10 other countries, "accelerated transmission has led to very significant resurgence that if left unchecked will push health systems to the brink once again in Europe."

[ChumpDumper]

True enough. Sweden never went down enough to have a resurgence.