Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[boutons_deux]

Obama gave $10Ms to Moderna

The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by immigrants

Trash has no claim to either vaccine, but he does criminally OWN 300K+ DEAD AMERICANS

[pgardn]

That 2nd dose of Pfizer kicked my ass. If there has to be a third shot booster, I'm gonna pass.

Whoops.

Im coming up for that here in a bit.
Looking forward to the ass whoopin.

(I have never experienced bad effects of vaccines but I know others who have. Then they get convinced by people like CC who get an ass kicking from the real thing) My older relatives are done with both and just fine. I think I would/will be good either way. But my way in definitely vaccination instead of some funky drug in the hospital that does not rely on my body's own ability (say immune system). This is what people fail to understand imo. They think vaccines are so unnatural and have no idea how funky a drug is compared to a vaccine biochemically speaking.

This took me a while to realize when I understood people like derp just flat out do not understand how their body works. And oh the horrors of a mask, so intrusive. But give me than antibiotic was first produced by some funky mold.

[spurraider21]

That 2nd dose of Pfizer kicked my ass. If there has to be a third shot booster, I'm gonna pass.


Get your vaccine shots

[Ef-man]

Trump vaccines are working well

Hopefully they will unhalt the Biden vaccine

Nope.

Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine and treatments for the disease sweeping the country.

In fact, Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.

Pfizer opted not to join Operation Warp Speed initially but is following the same general requirements for the vaccine’s development as competitors who received government research money. The company says it has risked $2 billion of its own money on vaccine development and won’t get anything from Washington unless the effort is successful.

“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/ap-fact-check-trump-wrongly-takes-full-credit-74200837

[pgardn]

Obama gave $10Ms to Moderna

The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by immigrants

Trash has no claim to either vaccine, but he does criminally OWN 300K+ DEAD AMERICANS

In Trump's defense he did not try to tell the companies how to make the vaccine like he tried to interject himself into other witchcraft drugs. Maybe there were too many companies that gave it a go for him to keep up with. But his politicizing of masks and distancing was enormously damaging. There were a buttload of derps waiting to be told the government was taking their lives, he gave them their drug of paranoia.

[ChumpDumper]

That 2nd dose of Pfizer kicked my ass. If there has to be a third shot booster, I'm gonna pass.

OK, pussy.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

They say we dont. But it suddenly became much harder to find a vaccine appointment. I tried for shits n giggles last 3 days. On cvs site.

CVS would be the last place you should look if you're in an urban area. Go county, they're everywhere. Fair park in Dallas has no lines from morning onward on a daily basis. In and out.

[Winehole23]

Cerebral venous thrombosis: a retrospective cohort study of 513,284 confirmed COVID-19 cases and a comparison with 489,871 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (https://mfr.osf.io/render?url=https://osf.io/a9jdq/?direct%26mode=render%26action=download%26mode=ren der)


In summary, COVID-19 is associated with a markedly increased incidence of CVT compared to the general population, patients with influenza, and people who have received BNT162b2 [Pfizer] or mRNA-1273 [Moderna] vaccines. The risk with COVID-19 also appears greater than with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 [AstraZenaca], although as noted this conclusion is tentative. The rarity of CVT in all populations means that larger sample sizes are required to confirm the results, and complementary study designs are needed to aid interpretation. Nevertheless, the current data highlight the risk of serious thrombotic events in COVID-19, and can help contextualize and inform debate about the risk-benefit ratio for current COVID-19 vaccines.





https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/cvt_pvt.png

[Winehole23]

Johnson & Johnson said it will resume rolling out its single-dose COVID vaccine in Europe after the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said the shot’s risk-benefit profile remains favorable, Reuters reports (https://www.reuters.com/business/johnson-johnson-reports-100-million-quarterly-covid-19-vaccine-sales-2021-04-20/). The company temporarily halted deliveries last week following reported cases of rare brain blood clots in six women who received the vaccine. https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/covid-19-tracker-johnson-johnson-aims-to-test-shot-kids-president-trump-talks-firing-fauci

[leemajors]

I got my second Pfizer Friday at noon. Arm sore for two days, headache Friday night but nothing else as far as side effects.

[baseline bum]

That 2nd dose of Pfizer kicked my ass. If there has to be a third shot booster, I'm gonna pass.

You're probably going to be taking these every year.

[Winehole23]

hot take: break the patents and allow the vaccines to be manufactured globally. we can't beat COVID one country at a time.

[boutons_deux]

hot take: break the patents and allow the vaccines to be manufactured globally. we can't beat COVID one country at a time.

yep, but BigPharma owns Congress and Biden, so it won't happen. BigPharma sees $Ts in revenue now and for years. Capitalism destroys life for more Capital

[DarrinS]

You're probably going to be taking these every year.

No thanks. Already had the disease + two shots. Same as you.

[ChumpDumper]

2nd Moderna done.

[baseline bum]

No thanks. Already had the disease + two shots. Same as you.

Only know that I have had the two shots, inconclusive on whether I have had the virus or not. No trolling, please don't underestimate this virus. I just lost a very dear friend last week to it, a friend in his early 40s.

[SnakeBoy]

hot take: break the patents and allow the vaccines to be manufactured globally. we can't beat COVID one country at a time.

The vaccines are being manufactured globally

[hater]

Theres probably gonna be vaccine shortage as India is fuck3d and have stopped exporting I think. They tried to compete w china and.lost badly.

China is now flooding south america w their vaccines tbqh. Know lots of eses who got them there

[Winehole23]

The vaccines are being manufactured globallyWhatever, dude

[DarrinS]

2nd Moderna done.

Enjoy the next 48 hours. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Enjoy the next 48 hours. :tuI'll be fine, pussy.:tu

[SnakeBoy]

Whatever, dude

lol sorry I stepped on your "hot take"

[ElNono]

2nd Moderna done.

Did you dieded?

[DarrinS]

Did you dieded?

Ask him how he feels tomorrow.

[ElNono]

Ask him how he feels tomorrow.

I'm getting my first shot (Moderna) tomorrow, tbh...

[DarrinS]

I'm getting my first shot (Moderna) tomorrow, tbh...


First one doesn't seem to have much side effects.

[DMC]

Ask him how he feels tomorrow.

Could be reduced to 300 posts tomorrow.

[hater]

Could be reduced to 300 posts tomorrow.

:lmao :lol :lmao

[boutons_deux]

6000 vaccinated have been infected.

how many more of Trash's non-vaccinated 74M voters will vaccinated people to keep the pandemic going with a very long tail?

[InRareForm]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01059-y

300k daily cases a day in India

[Dirks_Finale]

I'm getting my first shot (Moderna) tomorrow, tbh...

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lol

[InRareForm]

No thanks. Already had the disease + two shots. Same as you.

How recent did you have Covid before 1st vaccine shot? I was listening to a podcast that having covid antibodies plus 1 shot is more than having two vaccine shots total.

[hater]

How recent did you have Covid before 1st vaccine shot? I was listening to a podcast that having covid antibodies plus 1 shot is more than having two vaccine shots total.

Cool

How about we get infected, get 2 moderna, get 2 pfizer and for good measure get 1 J&J or 1 Astrasucka

U think well never have covid after that cocktail?

[DarrinS]

How recent did you have Covid before 1st vaccine shot? I was listening to a podcast that having covid antibodies plus 1 shot is more than having two vaccine shots total.

Over six months prior

[hater]

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lol

Yup I heard this.

Pfizer FTW tbqh :tu

[spurraider21]

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lol
im getting 2nd Moderna shot next Thursday... will report

[ChumpDumper]

im getting 2nd Moderna shot next Thursday... will reportNothing happening here yet but it's only been 7 hours.

[Winehole23]

lol sorry I stepped on your "hot take"you stepped over it, tbh

[baseline bum]

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lol

Makes me wonder if I have an old man immune system or something, as neither shot (Pfizer) was too bad for me. :lol

[DarrinS]

Yup I heard this.

Pfizer FTW tbqh :tu


I'd rather have corona again than that 2nd Pfizer shot. And, I've read that Moderna is even stronger.

Then again, maybe I had such a severe reaction, because I already had corona? Who knows.

[Winehole23]

I'd rather have corona again than that 2nd Pfizer shot. And, I've read that Moderna is even stronger.

Then again, maybe I had such a severe reaction, because I already had corona? Who knows.Sorry about the rough reaction, that sucks.

[DarrinS]

Sorry about the rough reaction, that sucks.

All good now. If it didn't resolve by today, I was going to call my doctor. I just drank a lot of water (RIP, muh beer) and took the occasional aspirin. In hindsight, Gatorade or something similar, may be better.

[ElNono]

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lol

If I don't make it, I can always claim I lived longer than Kobe, tbh... :lol

[Winehole23]

1st Moderna - sore arm at injection site. Mild body aches.

2nd Moderna - holy sh1t, WTF is this :lolI lucked out with mild symptoms on 2nd Moderna, but it did wuss me the fuck out for a solid day.

[Winehole23]

All good now. If it didn't resolve by today, I was going to call my doctor. I just drank a lot of water (RIP, muh beer) and took the occasional aspirin. In hindsight, Gatorade or something similar, may be better.Once my fever broke, I was basically fine. Hope yours is all over now too.

[hater]

I'd rather have corona again than that 2nd Pfizer shot. And, I've read that Moderna is even stronger.

Then again, maybe I had such a severe reaction, because I already had corona? Who knows.

Mmmm so maybe I shud have a covid party instead of a Pfizer or Moderna

[DarrinS]

Mmmm so maybe I shud have a covid party instead of a Pfizer or Moderna


If you never had covid, you should get the vaccine.

If you HAVE had covid, I'm not so sure about the necessity for a vaccine.

[hater]

If you never had covid, you should get the vaccine.

If you HAVE had covid, I'm not so sure about the necessity for a vaccine.

Thanks doc

Food for thought.....................

[pgardn]

Had my 2nd Pfizer this morning.
Road my bike after work.
Nothing.

Maybe something happens tonight.
Its somewhat worrisome that I get zero reaction. I would like to know Im manufacturing something inside.
But I get no reaction with the flu vaccines either. Oh well. 3 more weeks and Im supposed to be good with all those memory cells ready.
Ill just imagine that. Kinda wish I could be monitored for antibody production just for fun; it would be interesting to see the trends for the next month or so.

Im a happy boy.

[hater]

:lol

Dr. Ozlem Tureci, co-founder and CMO of BioNTech, which developed a Covid vaccine with Pfizer, said she also expects people will need to get vaccinated against the coronavirus annually, like for the seasonal flu. That’s because, she said, scientists expect vaccine-induced immunity against the virus will decrease over time.

[DarrinS]

Had my 2nd Pfizer this morning.
Road my bike after work.
Nothing.

Maybe something happens tonight.
Its somewhat worrisome that I get zero reaction. I would like to know Im manufacturing something inside.
But I get no reaction with the flu vaccines either. Oh well. 3 more weeks and Im supposed to be good with all those memory cells ready.
Ill just imagine that. Kinda wish I could be monitored for antibody production just for fun; it would be interesting to see the trends for the next month or so.

Im a happy boy.


Might be very minimal for you. My wife and daughter had very little side effects.

I didn't really notice it until the the first night trying to sleep and especially the following morning.

[pgardn]

:lol

Dr. Ozlem Tureci, co-founder and CMO of BioNTech, which developed a Covid vaccine with Pfizer, said she also expects people will need to get vaccinated against the coronavirus annually, like for the seasonal flu. That’s because, she said, scientists expect vaccine-induced immunity against the virus will decrease over time.

It does for most vaccines.
The key is having memory cells circulating. You apparently dont have to have an enormous amount of these to produce a rapid response and of course it varies from vaccine to vaccine. If it necessary to add it to the flu vaccine if they can work in unison like so many others, good deal. We have a vaccine, that works. And that IS HUGE.

[pgardn]

Might be very minimal for you. My wife and daughter had very little side effects.

I didn't really notice it until the the first night trying to sleep and especially the following morning.

Well I might well get punched in the morning.
Just knowing I have had it opens me up to seeing older relatives and this is reassuring as I have done all I can.
The headaches... I might not even be able to tell because for the second time in two seasons I am getting very dull headaches from the oak pollen I believe. It was heavy in my area of NW SA this year.

[DarrinS]

:lol

Dr. Ozlem Tureci, co-founder and CMO of BioNTech, which developed a Covid vaccine with Pfizer, said she also expects people will need to get vaccinated against the coronavirus annually, like for the seasonal flu. That’s because, she said, scientists expect vaccine-induced immunity against the virus will decrease over time.

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu, I don't think people would take them. Hard pass, for me.

[Winehole23]

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu, I don't think people would take them. But they don't.

[baseline bum]

Had my 2nd Pfizer this morning.
Road my bike after work.
Nothing.

Maybe something happens tonight.
Its somewhat worrisome that I get zero reaction. I would like to know Im manufacturing something inside.
But I get no reaction with the flu vaccines either. Oh well. 3 more weeks and Im supposed to be good with all those memory cells ready.
Ill just imagine that. Kinda wish I could be monitored for antibody production just for fun; it would be interesting to see the trends for the next month or so.

Im a happy boy.

I didn't really feel anything until the morning after from my second Pfizer shot. Think I got the shot around 1PM on a Friday, expected a rough Saturday, but was really only Saturday morning where I had a fever and chills for a few hours. Felt great by around lunchtime though (I know, lol Fat Antonio)

[baseline bum]

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu, I don't think people would take them. Hard pass, for me.

COVID shots don't give you COVID, they give you spike proteins. Enormous difference from feeling like crap because of an aggressive immune response vs feeling like crap and then having problems from a virus replicating in you.

[baseline bum]

Mmmm so maybe I shud have a covid party instead of a Pfizer or Moderna

Yeah no, ask CosmicCowboy how much fun COVID is.

[DMC]

COVID shots don't give you COVID, they give you spike proteins. Enormous difference from feeling like crap because of an aggressive immune response vs feeling like crap and then having problems from a virus replicating in you.

Bend over, I'll fuckin' replicate in you.

[DarrinS]

COVID shots don't give you COVID, they give you spike proteins. Enormous difference from feeling like crap because of an aggressive immune response vs feeling like crap and then having problems from a virus replicating in you.

I understand that. I will not be taking any annual "booster" of that mRNA vaccine. Personal choice.

I'm obviously not anti-vax, just don't want that experience again.

[SnakeBoy]

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu, I don't think people would take them. Hard pass, for me.

That's why we can't have really effective flu shots. They could boost their effectiveness with adjuvants but then even less people would take them. Sucks imo. I'd be fine with a day or two of symptoms if it locked in lifelong immunity to those flu strains.

[DarrinS]

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu, I don't think people would take them. Hard pass, for me.


But they don't.

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu-like symptoms, I don't think people would take them.

Fixed it

[DarrinS]

That's why we can't have really effective flu shots. They could boost their effectiveness with adjuvants but then even less people would take them. Sucks imo. I'd be fine with a day or two of symptoms if it locked in lifelong immunity to those flu strains.


Flu shots don't do anything to me, besides arm soreness.

[hater]

Yeah no, ask CosmicCowboy how much fun COVID is.

:lmao cosmic is most likely an overwheight pigman :lmao

Im fit ma nig

But I agree nothing is guaransheed

[Winehole23]

If flu shots gave you 48 hour flu-like symptoms, I don't think people would take them.

Fixed itBeats getting COVID, YMMV.

[SnakeBoy]

Mmmm so maybe I shud have a covid party instead of a Pfizer or Moderna

Eventually you're going to get infected, as will everyone. You can choose to get infected with a naive immune system or get vaccinated first. You'll probably survive either way.

[pgardn]

I didn't really feel anything until the morning after from my second Pfizer shot. Think I got the shot around 1PM on a Friday, expected a rough Saturday, but was really only Saturday morning where I had a fever and chills for a few hours. Felt great by around lunchtime though (I know, lol Fat Antonio)

Maybe I get smacked tonight or early morning.
who knows.

I do know one virus that kicked the absolute shit out of me and that was mono. EBV in college put me out for an entire semester as I tried to come back too soon. I have never been so tired and so weak in my life. My white blood cell count way high and they wanted me in the hospital and were worried about the liver. I will now follow doctors orders and make sure I fully recover on these types of things. I thought it was like a cold at first but my lymph nodes in my neck expanded so much I looked like some sort of toad. No big deal... wrong.

Thought I was invincible and just got punched in the face. The awakening after getting my ass kicked.

[baseline bum]

:lmao cosmic is most likely an overwheight pigman :lmao

Im fit ma nig

But I agree nothing is guaransheed

My brother is more fit that you are and very likely younger too, and it took him a couple of weeks to kick the virus and then he had nasty long haul lung problems that took about 3 months for him to kick. I also just lost a very good friend in his early 40s to COVID a few days ago. Being in shape and not being old is no guarantee, we still don't know why it is so nasty in some and just a minor cold in others.

[baseline bum]

Eventually you're going to get infected, as will everyone. You can choose to get infected with a naive immune system or get vaccinated first. You'll probably survive either way.

He'll probably survive with the naive immune system but he will survive with an immune system trained to fight it.

[SnakeBoy]

He'll probably survive with the naive immune system but he will survive with an immune system trained to fight it.

That would be the smarter choice but he's scared of needles.

[hater]

Eventually you're going to get infected, as will everyone. You can choose to get infected with a naive immune system or get vaccinated first. You'll probably survive either way.

My naive system has 98% chance of success. Not worried.

[ChumpDumper]

24 hours after the second Moderna. Nothing beyond site soreness so far.

Sorry, Darrin.

[DarrinS]

24 hours after the second Moderna. Nothing beyond site soreness so far.

Sorry, Darrin.

Good

[SnakeBoy]

24 hours after the second Moderna. Nothing beyond site soreness so far.

Sorry, Darrin.

Congrats on the weak immune response

[ChumpDumper]

Congrats on the weak immune responseSo what will my chances be for getting COVID after 2-3 weeks?

Please actually answer.

[SnakeBoy]

So what will my chances be for getting COVID after 2-3 weeks?

Please actually answer.

There haven't been any studies separating the differences between people who have a strong immune response to the booster vs a weak immune response to the booster like you. So I can't give you a number.

Congrats on having a weaker immune response than Darrin tho

[ChumpDumper]

There haven't been any studies separating the differences between people who have a strong immune response to the booster vs a weak immune response to the booster like you. So I can't give you a number.

Congrats on having a weaker immune response than Darrin thoBallpark it.

Use the statistics that do exist for everyone and your vast knowledge of "immune response strength" and its effect on those statistics..

Please actually answer.

[SnakeBoy]

Ballpark it.

Use the statistics that do exist for everyone and your vast knowledge of "immune response strength" and its effect on those statistics..

Please actually answer.

What are you getting worked up over?

You invented a contest with Darrin over who would have the weaker immune response and you won. I just congratulated you on the W.

[DarrinS]

I think this explains why I had such strong side effects

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2101667


I probably didn't need the second dose, either

[ChumpDumper]

What are you getting worked up over?Hey, hey, hey.

Calm down.

If you can't answer a simple question, just say so.

Darrin was hoping I'd have more adverse side effects. I didn't have them. It was never anything more than that.

It's not a big deal.

[RandomGuy]

Hey, hey, hey.

Calm down.

If you can't answer a simple question, just say so.

Darrin was hoping I'd have more adverse side effects. I didn't have them. It was never anything more than that.

It's not a big deal.

You are going to be holding your breath waiting for that dumb shit to be honest about anything.

The core of modern conservatism is dishonesty. and violence.

He is simply not capable of having an honest, meaningful exchange.

[pgardn]

Ok.

I had a headache.
And Im pretty sure it was not Oak pollen as there was hardly any in the air.
I dont normally get headaches and it was bothersome.

So Im claiming I did have a reaction dammit.
Kinda feel pumped now. Full of killer cells.
A veritable force field radiates from my vessels.
My corpuscles feel corpuscley.
Swole with immune juices and what not I tell myself...

[ElNono]

What are you getting worked up over?

You invented a contest with Darrin over who would have the weaker immune response and you won. I just congratulated you on the W.

OT: I know your wife is in the know about this whole vaccination stuff, tbh.

Could you ask her if the vaccine has any counter-indications for people with cerebral-palsy, down syndrome, tourettes, and other cognitive ailments? Just trying to re-assure derp that if he ever changes his mind, it's a relatively safe vaccine despite his condition... thanks.

[pgardn]

OT: I know your wife is in the know about this whole vaccination stuff, tbh.

Could you ask her if the vaccine has any counter-indications for people with cerebral-palsy, down syndrome, tourettes, and other cognitive ailments? Just trying to re-assure derp that if he ever changes his mind, it's a relatively safe vaccine despite his condition... thanks.

You forgot to mention derp was decapitated.
I feel this is something not to be ignored or just glossed over with minor ailments.

* new info came to light.

[DarrinS]

Ok.

I had a headache.
And Im pretty sure it was not Oak pollen as there was hardly any in the air.
I dont normally get headaches and it was bothersome.

So Im claiming I did have a reaction dammit.
Kinda feel pumped now. Full of killer cells.
A veritable force field radiates from my vessels.
My corpuscles feel corpuscley.
Swole with immune juices and what not I tell myself...


Get ready for this shit to be over. Life back to normal this summer. Ditch the masks. I'm ready for it.

[Winehole23]

man, you are gonna be so disappointed

[DarrinS]

man, you are gonna be so disappointed

You can stay home, fully clinched.

[Winehole23]

You can stay home, fully clinched.I ain't.

I'm out there every day. I was before I got vaccinated.

[DarrinS]

I ain't.

I'm out there every day. I was before I got vaccinated.

Then, what are you talking about?

[Winehole23]

Then, what are you talking about?There's no going back to the old normal.

Sorry, I don't make the rules.

[ChumpDumper]

Honestly fewer side effects than the first shot.

Just lucky, I guess.

[hater]

Get ready for this shit to be over. Life back to normal this summer. Ditch the masks. I'm ready for it.

Wear a fucking mask.

[hater]

I ain't.

I'm out there every day. I was before I got vaccinated.

Not w the rest of the world exploding w variants. Indian one alresdy seems to evade immunity why and why UK (one of the most vacvinated countries, stopped travel from it)

Maybe if rest of world gets very vacvinated (in 5-10 years)

[pgardn]

Get ready for this shit to be over. Life back to normal this summer. Ditch the masks. I'm ready for it.

Not ditching the masks in airports or on airplanes.
I got literally zero nuisance colds. For over a year and 3 months now.
After coming back from pretty exhausting hiking and kayaking in Yellowstone, I would seem to get some fever or head cold after these long plane rides back. This has happened numerous times. I was of course tired AND breathing all the shit from a hundred passengers and who knows how many people waiting in terminals. Im not having that anymore. I need to get back to work fully capable. Fck small air space with lots of people.

Definitely masking up on trips from now on. And it will be an interesting personal experiment anyway. I dont think my immune system all the sudden went beefy when I stopped getting on planes during this shit.

And I never wore a mask outside except when required to standing in line outside. I exercise a bunch outside and masks made zero sense early on for me outside and distanced.

[pgardn]

Not w the rest of the world exploding w variants. Indian one alresdy seems to evade immunity why and why UK (one of the most vacvinated countries, stopped travel from it)

Maybe if rest of world gets very vacvinated (in 5-10 years)

The vaccines work on variants VERY well.
And there is a good reason for this.
The spike protein in all the variants is vulnerable. The spike protein appears to have become even better at binding which makes it more transmissible, but the vaccines allow your body to recognize it. The virus basically has one trick, not at all like the flu.
This is how it stands right now. I told you early on when molecular biologists first looked at the RNA sequence and spike protein they were elated and proposed very early that an effective vaccine was very likely based on my reading. Are you going to Qanon type sites for your info now so you can make the variants as scary as possible?

[hater]

Qanon site whats that pee?

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1384970971099115520?s=19

[pgardn]

Qanon site whats that pee?

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1384970971099115520?s=19

You say they are proclaiming the virus is resistant to people who have been vaccinated?
NO.

Does it state what I already stated over again. YES.

You know what happens when you have tried this disingenuous shit on me before.

[Spurtacular]

Qanon site whats that pee?

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1384970971099115520?s=19

Plug the leak, Karen.

[hater]

Noone is saying vaccines dont work at all, pee

But efficacy will decrease. Its common fucking sense. If the virus is 5 to 10 times more contagious.

[Spurtacular]

Noone is saying vaccines dont work at all, pee

But efficacy will decrease. Its common fucking sense. If the virus is 5 to 10 times more contagious.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!

[pgardn]

Noone is saying vaccines dont work at all, pee

But efficacy will decrease. Its common fucking sense. If the virus is 5 to 10 times more contagious.

Absolutely wrong. There is no good evidence at all that the efficacy of the vaccine decreases as the spike protein changes (what we call variants) In fact, it might even be better for the vaccinated. Because the variants are being spread in the unvaccinated. If you told me the virus was rampantly spreading in India among the vaccinated, that would be major trouble.

[pgardn]

And you can call me pea.
As in pea garden.

[hater]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!

Wear a fucking mask, Nancy

[hater]

When both Pfizer and Moderna CEO say this will have yearly boosters and mentioned variants as reason, Im sorry to say, but either Im correct or those CEOs are lying to make $

[pgardn]

The virus is changing its spike protein among the unvaccinated population. This is where the natural selection of being more contagious, and possibly more deadly, arises. Which is why we, as in the US, need to share this damn thing because we now have too much and you are not going to get the needle nancies like derp to get poked anyway.

[pgardn]

When both Pfizer and Moderna CEO say this will have yearly boosters and mentioned variants as reason, Im sorry to say, but either Im correct or those CEOs are lying to make $

Yes because the variants become the most prevalent. But this does, NOT mean if the first few variants that were the first to spread were more prevalent, that we might NOT need a booster anyway. We might need a booster either way, with the first strains, or the more prevalent strains now. This is because our immune system might not remain "aware" of the virus for a long period of time. Vaccines have varying "lifetimes" of effectiveness due to OUR immune system's reaction. Some, like polio, are basically life long. Some, like tetanus, are not.

The CEO's know this if they talk to their people. And yes if they are saying we need boosters solely because the virus has changed in population % of variants, thats just NOT true. Now if they say they have evidence that a new type of booster will have even greater efficacy against the new variants, thats good.

[pgardn]

So in fact you are not sorry to say.
You are an alarmist.
Being aware of what we do and do not know is the way to go in science.
Conflating what we do not know to include worse case scenarios to the press and proclaiming its definitely coming is wrong.
Derp likes to do this as well. Trump is hiding beneath the White House.

[SpursforSix]

When both Pfizer and Moderna CEO say this will have yearly boosters and mentioned variants as reason, Im sorry to say, but either Im correct or those CEOs are lying to make $

Business 101...the primary goal of a business is to maximize shareholder value. For BigPharma, 99% of the time, it's not about curing diseases. It's about creating future cash flow from ongoing treatment.

[hater]

Business 101...the primary goal of a business is to maximize shareholder value. For BigPharma, 99% of the time, it's not about curing diseases. It's about creating future cash flow from ongoing treatment.

So they are lying to us?

[SpursforSix]

So they are lying to us?

I don't know. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Spurtacular]

Wear a fucking mask, Nancy

Don't try to turn tables, Karen.

[Spurtacular]

When both Pfizer and Moderna CEO say this will have yearly boosters and mentioned variants as reason, Im sorry to say, but either Im correct or those CEOs are lying to make $

Don't try to act skeptical, Karen.

Just wear your face diapers and get your jabs.

[InRareForm]

Not w the rest of the world exploding w variants. Indian one alresdy seems to evade immunity why and why UK (one of the most vacvinated countries, stopped travel from it)

Maybe if rest of world gets very vacvinated (in 5-10 years)

There is not enough data to conclude Indian variant evades vaccines.

[InRareForm]

When both Pfizer and Moderna CEO say this will have yearly boosters and mentioned variants as reason, Im sorry to say, but either Im correct or those CEOs are lying to make $

So cynical

[hater]

There is not enough data to conclude Indian variant evades vaccines.

Of course not it just came out prevalent a few weeks ago. But already theres talk.of it affecting immunity and alsondont forget Moderna, Pfizer CEOs confirming this (any variant)

[ElNono]

Too early to tell. Of course CEOs will say anything to spike their share prices, and I'm sure they'll like to sell you polio vaccines again as well if they could.

Now it's time to get people vaccinated and see what that does to the death rate, with or without variants...

[pgardn]

We might need a booster either way, with the first strains, or the more prevalent strains now. This is because our immune system might not remain "aware" of the virus for a long period of time. Vaccines have varying "lifetimes" of effectiveness due to OUR immune system's reaction. Some, like polio, are basically life long. Some, like tetanus, are not.

The CEO's know this if they talk to their people. And yes, if they are saying we need boosters solely because the virus has changed in population % of variants, thats just NOT true. Now if they say they have evidence that a new type of booster will have even greater efficacy against the new variants, thats good.


Of course not it just came out prevalent a few weeks ago. But already theres talk.of it affecting immunity and alsondont forget Moderna, Pfizer CEOs confirming this (any variant)

And AGAIN because you dont get it.

[hater]

Too early to tell. Of course CEOs will say anything to spike their share prices, and I'm sure they'll like to sell you polio vaccines again as well if they could.

Now it's time to get people vaccinated and see what that does to the death rate, with or without variants...

CEOs good then

CEOs bad now

[ElNono]

CEOs good then

CEOs bad now

CEOs don't matter if we can get a handle on the virus.

[hater]

CEOs don't matter .

Im pretty sure CEOs do matter :lol

[ElNono]

Im pretty sure CEOs do matter :lol

:lol don't just chop off the rest of the sentence, it clearly indicates what are the circumstances where they don't.

Like I said, they would love to sell you polio vaccines as well. It doesn't happen because we got polio under control a long time ago.

[hater]

:lol don't just chop off the rest of the sentence, it clearly indicates what are the circumstances where they don't.

Like I said, they would love to sell you polio vaccines as well. It doesn't happen because we got polio under control a long time ago.

:lol without these CEOs we dont have vaccines nig. U cannot take them out of the equation and say "if we control this virus, well tyey dont matter" :lol

[ElNono]

:lol without these CEOs we dont have vaccines nig. U cannot take them out of the equation and say "if we control this virus, well tyey dont matter" :lol

:lol again, for the upteenth time, I specified what's the case where their wishes for a yearly jab don't matter.

it wasn't a random comment, it was specifically addressing that

[hater]

:lol again, for the upteenth time, I specified what's the case where their wishes for a yearly jab don't matter.

it wasn't a random comment, it was specifically addressing that

Of course their statements matter. They did not share that as "their wishes" :lmao

Thats not how corporations work :lol

A CEO needs to be damned confident on a public statement such as that as there are billions and many stock holders at stake :lol

[ElNono]

Of course their statements matter. They did not share that as "their wishes" :lmao

Thats not how corporations work :lol

A CEO needs to be damned confident on a public statement such as that as there are billions and many stock holders at stake :lol

:lol I didn't say their statements don't matter, as a matter of fact I pointed out their statements have a specific target. So why try to crowbar something I didn't say?

They're simply not in control how the virus spreads and mutates. Again, this has happened many times in human history.

We've overcome a lot of diseases, from Tuberculosis to Polio to Rabies. We no longer vaccinate for all those every year, sometimes not at all these days.

We're not there yet with this virus, and I didn't say we wouldn't need to have yearly jabs, just that it's too early to tell.

[hater]

:lol I didn't say their statements don't matter, as a matter of fact I pointed out their statements have a specific target. So why try to crowbar something I didn't say?

They're simply not in control how the virus spreads and mutates. Again, this has happened many times in human history.

We've overcome a lot of diseases, from Tuberculosis to Polio to Rabies. We no longer vaccinate for all those every year, sometimes not at all these days.

We're not there yet with this virus, and I didn't say we wouldn't need to have yearly jabs, just that it's too early to tell.

I dokt think its too early to tell.

When multipl3 CEOs confirm this and lots of epidemiologists also say this its pretty much a done deal.

Prepare that El Salvadorian ass for more shots :lol

[ElNono]

I dokt think its too early to tell.

When multipl3 CEOs confirm this and lots of epidemiologists also say this its pretty much a done deal.

Prepare that El Salvadorian ass for more shots :lol

lmao, did you see that Sam Adams commercial about the COVID shot?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8AFHeaHp5U

[hater]

lmao, did you see that Sam Adams commercial about the COVID shot?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8AFHeaHp5U

:lmao at the nurse at the end

"Continue to wear a fucking mask" :lol

[SnakeBoy]

CEOs don't matter if we can get a handle on the virus.

It isn't mutating fast enough to warrant an annual vaccine even without having a handle on the virus. Probably going to fully escape antibodies every 3-7 years once we get through the first pass.

[ElNono]

It isn't mutating fast enough to warrant an annual vaccine even without having a handle on the virus. Probably going to fully escape antibodies every 3-7 years once we get through the first pass.

The problem is places like Brazil right now, that not only don't have a handle on it, they're getting completely ass-raped by the virus. I feel that it's going to take a while for those places to turn the tide and that gives the virus a festering place to mutate.

So I think it makes sense to wait up and see how all these other places overcome the lack of vaccination and access right now before jumping to conclusions.

[SnakeBoy]

The problem is places like Brazil right now, that not only don't have a handle on it, they're getting completely ass-raped by the virus. I feel that it's going to take a while for those places to turn the tide and that gives the virus a festering place to mutate.

So I think it makes sense to wait up and see how all these other places overcome the lack of vaccination and access right now before jumping to conclusions.

by "we get through the first pass" I meant we humans. Yeah the rest of the world is a problem and might speed up the need for a booster in the short term. We won't need an annual shot forever as the CEO's hope.

Luckily for shithole USA getting a booster in the fall is not a big deal

[SnakeBoy]

White House writes off Johnson & Johnson vaccine
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/biden-officials-johnson-vaccine-484356


But the outsize attention paid to J&J’s stumbles have frustrated officials who lamented that it’s distracted from the White House’s broader vaccination campaign — and specifically, overshadowed what should have been a triumphant week

Hopefully this story is just msm fake news

[pgardn]

CEOs good then

CEOs bad now

Yeah.
Its always one of the two.
I guess there are no characters in Marvel or whatever you are into that are a bit of both.

[pgardn]

White House writes off Johnson & Johnson vaccine
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/biden-officials-johnson-vaccine-484356



Hopefully this story is just msm fake news

I did not understand it in the first place.
And we have extra vaccine that is gonna go bad as well.
I know all this production and distribution is super difficult but imo this was a bad call given the present evidence.

[SnakeBoy]

I did not understand it in the first place.
And we have extra vaccine that is gonna go bad as well.
I know all this production and distribution is super difficult but imo this was a bad call given the present evidence.

I think the pause to review was reasonable. Writing off the vaccine because it overshadowed our political narrative would be unreasonable.

Hopefully fake news

[hater]

White House writes off Johnson & Johnson vaccine
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/biden-officials-johnson-vaccine-484356



Hopefully this story is just msm fake news

Good. We have plemty of good vaccines. No need for loser vaccines. Send them to Poland :lol

[ElNono]

by "we get through the first pass" I meant we humans. Yeah the rest of the world is a problem and might speed up the need for a booster in the short term. We won't need an annual shot forever as the CEO's hope.

Luckily for shithole USA getting a booster in the fall is not a big deal

Good study here, BTW:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/23/mit-researchers-say-youre-no-safer-from-covid-indoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

[ElNono]

I think the pause to review was reasonable. Writing off the vaccine because it overshadowed our political narrative would be unreasonable.

Hopefully fake news

Just read the CDC is ready to put it back in circulation.

[ElNono]

Just got my first dose of Moderna.... my phone connected to the chip first time, no issues. Even got a text from Bill Gates congratulating...

[hater]

Damn :wow

Israel said probing link between Pfizer shot and heart problem in men under 30
Leaked Health Ministry probe raises concerns as 62 cases of myocarditis found out of 5 million vaccinated -- most after second dose; 2 deaths, but no direct link established


Moderna back in the lead :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Just got my first dose of Moderna.... my phone connected to the chip first time, no issues. Even got a text from Bill Gates congratulating...

i've been using bing for three weeks now, don't know why

[baseline bum]

Damn :wow

Israel said probing link between Pfizer shot and heart problem in men under 30
Leaked Health Ministry probe raises concerns as 62 cases of myocarditis found out of 5 million vaccinated -- most after second dose; 2 deaths, but no direct link established


Moderna back in the lead :lol

Maybe look up COVID and heart problems

[baseline bum]

Just got my first dose of Moderna.... my phone connected to the chip first time, no issues. Even got a text from Bill Gates congratulating...

At least finally found a use for my Zune, my vaccine card popped right up on the screen when I swiped the injection site. Battery isn't supposed to be good for more than 12 months though so will need a booster later on.

[hater]

Maybe look up COVID and heart problems

Not a good argument

[baseline bum]

Not a good argument

Of course it wasn't a good suggestion, you're too emotional to look at hard numbers.

[spurraider21]

had to delay my 2nd pfizer shot by a couple of weeks. was supposed to get it here next week, but my office is having me fly back out to LA next week for a trial. will see if perhaps i can sneak in a jab while im there

[DarrinS]

Vaccine will turn this thing into common cold (it is no longer 'novel' to your immune system).

I don't take boosters for common cold corona viruses.

[spurraider21]

Vaccine will turn this thing into common cold (it is no longer 'novel' to your immune system).

I don't take boosters for common cold corona viruses.
if it is significantly more harmful than the cold, to you and others, then you should probably reconsider

[DarrinS]

if it is significantly more harmful than the cold, to you and others, then you should probably reconsider


The corona viruses we don't worry about were deadly in the past.

[ElNono]

had to delay my 2nd pfizer shot by a couple of weeks. was supposed to get it here next week, but my office is having me fly back out to LA next week for a trial. will see if perhaps i can sneak in a jab while im there

You should be able to find a place and make an appointment.

Try this site:
https://www.vaccinespotter.org/CA/

[spurraider21]

You should be able to find a place and make an appointment.

Try this site:
https://www.vaccinespotter.org/CA/
yeah... the problem is im not sure when i can even make an appointment for. my schedule next week can be pretty all over the place depending on how the court is doing its business

[DarrinS]

had to delay my 2nd pfizer shot by a couple of weeks. was supposed to get it here next week, but my office is having me fly back out to LA next week for a trial. will see if perhaps i can sneak in a jab while im there

Brits are spreading their doses far apart, with good success.

[baseline bum]

Vaccine will turn this thing into common cold (it is no longer 'novel' to your immune system).

I don't take boosters for common cold corona viruses.

We have had a million years of evolution to handle the common colds though. This is completely uncharted territory here, we don't know how long it took the various common colds to go from deadly to minor nuisance.

[DarrinS]

We have had a million years of evolution to handle the common colds though. This is completely uncharted territory here, we don't know how long it took the various common colds to go from deadly to minor nuisance.


Yeah, we're not going to need a million years. :lol

[hater]

Of course it wasn't a good suggestion, you're too emotional to look at hard numbers.

U are comparing risks of a disease vs a vaccine. Not a good argument thats all

[baseline bum]

U are comparing risks of a disease vs a vaccine. Not a good argument thats all

I think it's pretty good, you're way safer taking one of the three vaccines than taking the virus with an immune system that doesn't know how to fight it.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, we're not going to need a million years. :lol

Hopefully not, doubt it mutates to weaken enough in one year that it's no longer dangerous.

[hater]

I think it's pretty good, you're way safer taking one of the three vaccines than taking the virus with an immune system that doesn't know how to fight it.

Doesnt work like that.

Vaccines as opposed to diseases need to be near pitch perfect. Not only because you want everyone taking it but if it goes bad and ppl start talking, there goes your vaccine strategy. Ppl wont take it.

If a vaccine is not doing near perfect like JJ or Astra, they need to pausr and do some more research. In the end JJ and Astra wont fully recover.

You dont want the other winning vaccines follow same path cause then u are fucked.

[spurraider21]

hater continuing to cheer on the virus while poopoo-ing the vaccines

[hater]

hater continuing to cheer on the virus while poopoo-ing the vaccines

Does not understand worldwide vaccine deployments

Sad

[DarrinS]

Hopefully not, doubt it mutates to weaken enough in one year that it's no longer dangerous.

It was only dangerous in the first place, because it was "new" to the human population. Even so, the vast majority of people are able to deal with it naturally (over 99%). In my experience, the second dose of vaccine was more intense than actual covid.

[hater]

, the second dose of vaccine was more intense than actual covid.

Thanks doc.

Thats helpful :tu

[DarrinS]

Thanks doc.

Thats helpful :tu


If you're 100% positive that you've never had covid, you should get the vaccine.

[hater]

Dr Darrin actually has a great point. Why shud healthy nigs have to take 2 doses. Thatbshud b for sick old bitches. If 1 dose gives me 50% efficacy. Im good. :tu

1 shot of Moderna it is :tu

Bartender!!

[DarrinS]

Dr Darrin actually has a great point. Why shud healthy nigs have to take 2 doses. Thatbshud b for sick old bitches. If 1 dose gives me 50% efficacy. Im good. :tu

1 shot of Moderna it is :tu

Bartender!!


I'm taking my 17 y.o. son for second dose of Pfizer next week. I'm hoping he doesn't have my reaction, because he probably had asymptomatic covid.

[pgardn]

Doesnt work like that.

Vaccines as opposed to diseases need to be near pitch perfect. Not only because you want everyone taking it but if it goes bad and ppl start talking, there goes your vaccine strategy. Ppl wont take it.

If a vaccine is not doing near perfect like JJ or Astra, they need to pausr and do some more research. In the end JJ and Astra wont fully recover.

You dont want the other winning vaccines follow same path cause then u are fucked.

And what is perfect pitch for a deaf person like yourself?
Do you know what vacillate means... ? You are the king.

[ElNono]

FDA ends Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause
Federal health officials will add warnings about potential blood-clot risks to fact sheets for health care providers and vaccine recipients.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447

[baseline bum]

It was only dangerous in the first place, because it was "new" to the human population. Even so, the vast majority of people are able to deal with it naturally (over 99%). In my experience, the second dose of vaccine was more intense than actual covid.

You keep making these assumptions instead of waiting to see what the actual result is, and your batting average is terrible.

[Dirks_Finale]

FDA ends Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause
Federal health officials will add warnings about potential blood-clot risks to fact sheets for health care providers and vaccine recipients.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/cdc-panel-j-j-vaccine-decision-484447

Did they kill it is the question, though.

Nobody wants that sh1t now :lol

[pgardn]

Did they kill it is the question, though.

Nobody wants that sh1t now :lol

Other countries could use that shit, NOW. It works. 1 dose advantage.
Christ people just need look at everything they take and ALL the possible side effects.
This is just ridiculously low and we got a feel for the group to avoid the possible side effects.

[DarrinS]

You keep making these assumptions instead of waiting to see what the actual result is, and your batting average is terrible.


I'm moving on with life. Had mom over for dinner, indoors and no masks. Good times.

Be as paranoid as you want to be.

[DarrinS]

Did they kill it is the question, though.

Nobody wants that sh1t now :lol


Horrible messaging on vaccines. Both the "pause" and the "booster".

[hater]

Did they kill it is the question, though.

Nobody wants that sh1t now :lol

:lol

Ill pass on that shit :lol

[hater]

Horrible messaging on vaccines. Both the "pause" and the "booster".

Its the right thing to do doc. Props to cdc and fda :tu

[DarrinS]

:lol

Ill pass on that shit :lol


^see

That shit is dead in the US. And totally unwarranted.

[hater]

I'm taking my 17 y.o. son for second dose of Pfizer next week. I'm hoping he doesn't have my reaction, because he probably had asymptomatic covid.

Skip the 2nd dose dr. Take him.to his first hooker instead. Hell thank u for it ,:lol

[DarrinS]

Skip the 2nd dose dr. Take him.to his first hooker instead. Hell thank u for it ,:lol


:lol. The hooker is more dangerous to him than covid.

[hater]

:lol. The hooker is more dangerous to him than covid.

Disagree

A hooker to a 17 hear old is much better than a home.run for a 7 year old. And less dangerous

[ChumpDumper]

:lol HydroxyDarrin's medical opinions

[Winehole23]

1385522597492936705

[ElNono]

Did they kill it is the question, though.

Nobody wants that sh1t now :lol

Lots of countries needs vaccines, tbh... we can ship them there along with the Spurs 2013 championship hats

[DarrinS]

:lol HydroxyDarrin's medical opinions


Glad you didn't have a hardcore vaccine reaction.

[ChumpDumper]

Glad you didn't have a hardcore vaccine reaction.Don't lie.

You were hoping for it.

[Winehole23]

Oxford malaria vaccine found to be 77% effective

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56858158

[boutons_deux]

1385522597492936705

Better would be USA to release its mRNA patents so other mfrs could produce, rather than enslaving them to raw materials bought from USA, which is the racket in the patented sterile seed business

How long will before USA decide that Trash's sociopathic 74M cult mob just ain't gonna get vaccinated and than help slow the pandemic massacre in eg India?

[Winehole23]

precursor production has raw power implications


[American export controls threaten to hinder global vaccine productionhttps://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/04/22/american-export-controls-threaten-to-hinder-global-vaccine-production

[pgardn]

Oxford malaria vaccine found to be 77% effective

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56858158

This is the most deadly transmitted disease.

Malaria kills more than 400,000 people a year, mostly children in sub-Saharan Africa


and we had ~500,000 people die from Covid in approximately that time frame. But it was “the sniffles“? Easiest way out is not to believe our numbers. Derp
” It’s not even as bad as the flu“ “ why are we so concerned“

bunch of numbskulls.

As far as vaccines go this is an incredibly tough nut to crack because the disease is caused by a protozoan, not a virus or a bacteria. protozoans basically have the same cell types we do, we are both eukaryotic organisms. so their basic bio molecules are a lot more like ours.
I will continue to hope on this one, but from a Basic biological view this one is a difficult foe.

[pgardn]

precursor production has raw power implications

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/04/22/american-export-controls-threaten-to-hinder-global-vaccine-production




i’m sure this presents all kinds of legal problems on patents.
But if Joe decided to get some prominent Republicans on board and make a big show of pleading to the pharmaceutical companies to help other countries out because it actually helps us in the long run and is important to our national interest I bet we could get this done.

As an aside

I love that magazine. I was given it as a gift for a couple of years but I just could not get through all the good articles.
I found it extremely difficult because my background in economics is probably not strong enough. but the parts where it just went into foreign policy was really good from a conservative European point of view.

That magazine is what I would call dense slow go reading for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Oxford malaria vaccine found to be 77% effective

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56858158We're gonna be spoiled by the efficacy of the COVID vaccines, but 77% is fantastic news.

[Winehole23]

We're gonna be spoiled by the efficacy of the COVID vaccines, but 77% is fantastic news.great news news indeed.

where are all those silly posters who tease me for being a negative nelly, I hope they find out too.

[baseline bum]

I'm moving on with life. Had mom over for dinner, indoors and no masks. Good times.

Be as paranoid as you want to be.

LOL calling it paranoid by looking at reality instead of wishcasting. Don't know what safely congregating with other vaccinated people has to do with how long it takes for this virus and or humans to evolve to the point it's not deadly and is just a minor nuisance like the other endemic coronaviruses.

[boutons_deux]

i’m sure this presents all kinds of legal problems on patents.


The US government can use its ownership of a crucial vaccine patent to push companies to share their expertise with other manufacturers and boost global access to coronavirus jabs, according to a top scientific official.

Barney Graham, one of the US National Institutes of Health scientists who invented a key piece of technology used in the Moderna and BioNTech/Pfizer jabs, told the Financial Times the government’s patent gave Washington “leverage” over manufacturers.

“Virtually everything that comes out of the government’s research labs is a non-exclusive licensing agreement so that it doesn’t get blocked by any particular company,” said Graham, who plans to retire from the US government this year.

“That’s one of the reasons [I joined the NIH]: it’s to be able to use the leverage of the public funding to solve public health issues.”

https://www.ft.com/content/d0c70cc2-0ffa-42dd-b0d0-0f76eeb273f0

[boutons_deux]

"the United States government funded and has certain rights over at least some of the foundational Karikó and Weissman patents directed to mRNA discoveries.Some of these patents include broad claims.

For instance, Claim 1 of the U.S. patent 8,278,036 (the ‘036 patent) is directed to “[a] method for inducing a mammalian cell to produce a protein of interest comprising:

contacting said mammalian cell with in vitro-synthesized modified RNA encoding a protein of interest, wherein said in vitro-synthesized modified RNA comprises the modified nucleoside pseudouridine.”

The method described in this claim emcompases any “protein of interest.”

This patent was filed in the United States on August 21, 2006, issued on October 2, 2012, and acknowledges being subject to the Bayh-Dole Act provisions."

https://www.keionline.org/34733

[boutons_deux]

'Utterly Disgusting':

Big Pharma Lobby Blitz Against Vaccine Patent Waivers Denounced

"Millions continue to die because pharma monopolies have created vaccine scarcity in the global south," said one public health campaigner.

first quarter of 2021" to reveal that

"over 100 lobbyists have been mobilized to contact lawmakers and members of the Biden administration, urging them to oppose a proposed temporary waiver" of patent protections at the WTO

Pharmaceutical lobbyists working against the proposal include Mike McKay, a key fundraiser for House Democrats, now working on retainer (https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/9bae4178-bd1e-438a-b6c7-f9f7ad2053b7/print/) for Pfizer, as well as (https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=79622) several (https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=22414) former (https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/3050bf41-cf2b-4af7-83fc-eefd1183d22d/print/) staff members (https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=80614) to the U.S. Office of Trade Representative, which oversees negotiations with the WTO.

Several trade groups funded by pharmaceutical firms have also focused closely on defeating the generic proposal, new disclosures show.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce (https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/a3d542ee-aae5-48af-8c94-48a2c3338c7f/print/), the Business Roundtable (https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/34e8508a-149e-45dd-9760-f6560907cb1f/print/), and the International Intellectual Property Alliance (https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/883b2c43-2cbb-4a97-96a8-b5e8995d92ea/print/), which all receive drug company money, have dispatched dozens of lobbyists to oppose the initiative.

"We have the tools to save human lives, and those tools should be readily available to all people," said Sanders during an online event Friday.

"Poor people in Africa, Asia, Latin America, and throughout the world have as much a right to be protected from the virus, to live, as people in wealthier nations.

To me, this is not a huge debate, this is common human morality."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/04/24/utterly-disgusting-big-pharma-lobby-blitz-against-vaccine-patent-waivers-denounced

Capitalists amassing Capital overrides ethics, morals, humans, the environment. No obstacle is permitted when Capitalists are chasing Capital.

[spurraider21]

I'm moving on with life. Had mom over for dinner, indoors and no masks. Good times.

Be as paranoid as you want to be.
you're so brave

[DarrinS]

you're so brave

Being unafraid, based on science, is not the same as being brave.

And, I know you were just being snarky.

[pgardn]

India is getting slaughtered.

We got to help them.
we have a lot of extra stuff piled up that they could use in their hospitals.

[Winehole23]

India is getting slaughtered.

We got to help them.
we have a lot of extra stuff piled up that they could use in their hospitals.it's just getting going. it's already brutal.

[Winehole23]

Being unafraid, based on science, is not the same as being brave.

And, I know you were just being snarky.roll dem bones

[pgardn]

it's just getting going. it's already brutal.

and their president is in denial.
Sounds familiar.

[Winehole23]

and their president is in denial.
Sounds familiar.twitter carries water for Modi?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/twitter-removes-over-50-posts-on-govt-orders-majority-related-to-covid-19/article34404805.ece

[Winehole23]

the fucking vaccines work

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00677-2/fulltext

[Winehole23]

hardball healthcare biz


Pfizer has backed down over its controversial demand that the South African government put up sovereign assets guaranteeing an indemnity against the cost of any future legal cases. During Covid-19 vaccine negotiations, the company sought indemnity against civil claims from citizens who had experienced adverse vaccine effects – meaning that the government would have to cover the costs instead.


On Wednesday, the South African health minister, Zweli Mkhize, voiced frustrations about “difficult and sometimes unreasonable” terms his country’s government had been presented with during contract negotiations with vaccine manufacturers including Pfizer.


In a briefing letter sent ahead of his appearance at the parliamentary health committee, Mkhize said one condition in particular demanded by Pfizer was “too risky” – that the country put up sovereign assets as potential collateral.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2021-04-19/pfizer-backs-down-over-asset-seizing-clause-in-south-africa-vaccine-deal

[Winehole23]

how reassuring


Pfizer told the Bureau: “Pfizer and BioNTech have no intention of interfering with any country’s diplomatic, military, or culturally significant assets.”


The company required some Latin American governments to put up sovereign assets (https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2021-02-23/held-to-ransom-pfizer-demands-governments-gamble-with-state-assets-to-secure-vaccine-deal) – which could include federal bank reserves, embassy buildings or military bases – as a guarantee against indemnifying the cost of future legal cases. This was reported by the Bureau in February and picked up by more than 100 media organisations worldwide.

[hater]

the fucking vaccines work

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00677-2/fulltext

:tu awesome

[SnakeBoy]

:lol

Ill pass on that shit :lol

Why?

[steak n eggs]

So now I'm reading that a lot of people are skipping the second dose. My question is how long do we have to wear a mask if those that don't want the vaccine don't get it and others just don't bother to complete the series of shots? If the vaccines work, which I believe they do, then I and all the others that have received the jab should be fine. I understand there are still the unvaccinated that truly want it and haven't been able to get it. As well as children that hopefully will be approved to receive it. However, after they are good to go, will we have to continue the mask wearing?

I also think the desire for it has slowed as well because I'm seeing a lot more walk-ins available. I'm just not in the mood to continue with the mask if we're going to be waiting on the hesitant.

[boutons_deux]

"others that have received the jab should be fine."

6000 vaccinated have been infected.

A small percentage, but that size and more will persist as the unvaccinated 50% of American adults, who will be spreaders by not wearing masks, keep the pandemic going for years among themselves and among the vaccinateds.

No news yet whether infected vaccinated, who would have mild symptoms, will produce long haulers.

The pandemic exposes America as a failed society, obsessed with "my rights trump your rights", with no Common Cause or solidarity

[steak n eggs]

Yeah and they're now investigating a small number of people in Israel with myocarditis and trying to see if it's related to the Pfizer vaccine. So if we have to keep wearing the masks, what's the point of getting a vaccine with potential side effects if we're never going to get out of the pandemic? It's a risk to take the vaccine and it's a risk to not wear the mask. I took the vaccine with the hopes that we can one day return to sense of normalcy. If I have to take a vaccine and wear a mask, might as well just wear the mask and forgo the vaccine.

[ElNono]

So now I'm reading that a lot of people are skipping the second dose. My question is how long do we have to wear a mask if those that don't want the vaccine don't get it and others just don't bother to complete the series of shots? If the vaccines work, which I believe they do, then I and all the others that have received the jab should be fine. I understand there are still the unvaccinated that truly want it and haven't been able to get it. As well as children that hopefully will be approved to receive it. However, after they are good to go, will we have to continue the mask wearing?

I also think the desire for it has slowed as well because I'm seeing a lot more walk-ins available. I'm just not in the mood to continue with the mask if we're going to be waiting on the hesitant.

I actually read most people that did get the first dose are getting the second, the ones that do not are under 10% and some of it has to do with Walgreens fucking things up with scheduling.

Some of that is noted here:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/vaccine/ct-aud-nw-nyt-coronavirus-vaccine-skipping-second-dose-20210425-6plan5leyjanhkdn5bevlefn5u-story.html

[DarrinS]

Went to Wal-Mart today with no mask. No freakouts

[ChumpDumper]

:lol what a cunt.

[DarrinS]

:lol what a cunt.

Time to move on. Pussy

[ChumpDumper]

Time to move on. PussyNo, I'm never going to let you forget you're a cunt.

You shouldn't have chosen to be such a cunt.

:lmao you voted for fucking Trump in 2020, you fucking idiot.

What is wrong with you?

[DarrinS]

No, I'm never going to let you forget you're a cunt.

You shouldn't have chosen to be such a cunt.

:lmao you voted for fucking Trump in 2020, you fucking idiot.

What is wrong with you?


Lol, meltdown

[ChumpDumper]

Lol, meltdownLol, cunt.

I'm glad your stupid ass lost.

[DarrinS]

Lol, cunt.

I'm glad your stupid ass lost.


Is that all?

[ChumpDumper]

Is that all?No.

I said I will never let you forget just how stupid you are, cunt.

I mean it.

[DarrinS]

No.

I said I will never let you forget just how stupid you are, cunt.

I mean it.


Say cunt some more.

[ChumpDumper]

Say cunt some more.Already did, cunt.:tu

[DarrinS]

I'm going without a mask from now on.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm going without a mask from now on.Because you're a cunt.:tu

[DarrinS]

Already did, cunt.:tu

Say cunt some more. It's a sign of high intellect.

[ChumpDumper]

Say cunt some more. It's a sign of high intellect.:lmao you voted for Trump in 2020

There is no way you can claim any intellect.

Tell me why you voted for Trump in 2020.

[DarrinS]

:lmao you voted for Trump in 2020

There is no way you can claim any intellect.

Tell me why you voted for Trump in 2020.


You left out your favorite word.

[ChumpDumper]

You left out your favorite word.It's not my favorite word.

Nothing else fits you as well, tbh.

You're a selfish, petulant little brat, too.

[DarrinS]

It's not my favorite word.

Nothing else fits you as well, tbh.

You're a selfish, petulant little brat, too.


You are a pussy. Keep walking around with your mask while fully vaccinated. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You are a pussy. Keep walking around with your mask while fully vaccinated. :lol:lol you're taking yours off because of your feelings.

That's the biggest pussy move of all.

[DarrinS]

:lol you're taking yours off because of your feelings.

That's the biggest pussy move of all.


Taking it off because I'm fully vaccinated.

Otherwise, I'm just participating in mask theater to appease covid hysterics, like you.

[ChumpDumper]

Taking it off because I'm fully vaccinated.

Otherwise, I'm just participating in mask theater to appease covid hysterics, like you.:lol you just don't get that there is a world beyond your own ego and feelings.

[pgardn]

Went to Wal-Mart today with no mask. No freakouts

Im sure the unvaccinated people around you appreciate your freedom.
I wear them because the stores say to wear them. I mean how long to you have to spend in it, you walmart shop for hours?

We will reach a point not long from now where we have vaccinated everyone we can. We are not there yet.
If you have some sort of facial tick or acne that breaks out then I get it. Claustrophobia. Think about Derp says bout mask and needle nacys. Then it might allow you to be strong.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm going without a mask from now on.

I'm giving it one more month. Maybe less depending how quickly vaccine uptake drops off.

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/covid-vaccination-regions-4.png

[Winehole23]

"when the finish line comes into view, stop running and wait for it to come to you."


A drop in demand led more than half of the counties in Kansas to decline their weekly allotment of COVID-19 vaccine doses…. A spokesperson for Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly (D) said many Kansas residents are delaying getting their vaccines due to the drop in new cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the Sunflower State, according to the APhttps://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/550198-62-kansas-counties-decline-weekly-vaccine-allotment-amid-wane-in-demand

[hater]

Damn looks like theres a LOT more vaccine hesitants than I thought

Now nigas are begging to go get a jab. Its looking pathetic at this point

[DarrinS]

Damn looks like theres a LOT more vaccine hesitants than I thought

Now nigas are begging to go get a jab. Its looking pathetic at this point

:tu Makes the line shorter. Thanks.

[hater]

:tu Makes the line shorter. Thanks.

:tu

Make sure yoj wear a fucking mask

[Trill Clinton]

1387078140770623490

[baseline bum]

1387078140770623490

Damn, I have been going without masks outdoors ever since the Black Lives Matter protests showed it wasn't very dangerous outdoors.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, I have been going without masks outdoors ever since the Black Lives Matter protests showed it wasn't very dangerous outdoors.Yeah, I carry one in case I go inside a store or get near people I don't know to talk or something, but I haven't been wearing a mask outside pretty much from the start. Of course I live in the sticks so that made it easier.

[pgardn]

Yeah, I carry one in case I go inside a store or get near people I don't know to talk or something, but I haven't been wearing a mask outside pretty much from the start. Of course I live in the sticks so that made it easier.

same because when I’m outdoors and im exercising
or when you walk to and from places outdoors I don’t wear one
It must be claustrophobia for some people it’s not that bad

And like I said before, I will continue to wear one on airplaneS and in airports because I just have not got sick from any kind of cold virus after avoiding traveling via planes.

[pgardn]

They also helped some with the oak pollen and cedar.
but I still got allergies because I can’t exercise with a mask on.

[hater]

Damn, I have been going without masks outdoors ever since the Black Lives Matter protests showed it wasn't very dangerous outdoors.

:lmao why would protesting with thousands and rubbing each others sweaty nakedness not be conductive to contagion??? :lol

[pgardn]

:lmao why would protesting with thousands and rubbing esch others nakedness not be conductive to contagion??? :lol

it’s probably not great but, if you want to get this disease you definitely go indoors with a lot of people talking and singing a lot who move in and out with bad ventilation and dry air. That’s what you should do if you want to get sick or just test yourself.

I’m waiting for Derp to go try this but in the basement alone is probably safe

[pgardn]

Better yet go sit in a car with six other people on a drive from San Antonio to Los Angeles.
Close the windows and make sure the other six are ill with Covid.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao why would protesting with thousands and rubbing each others sweaty nakedness not be conductive to contagion??? :lol:lol you've never been to a protest.

[boutons_deux]

The most promising coronavirus vaccine you’ve never heard of


Novavax’s rise comes as pressure to increase the supply of Covid-19 vaccines is growing amid concerns that unequal access globally will extend the pandemic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/27/novavax-coronavirus-vaccine-484731

[baseline bum]

:lmao why would protesting with thousands and rubbing each others sweaty nakedness not be conductive to contagion??? :lol

None of the contact tracing indicated Black Lives Matter protests were contributing to the pandemic. You know if they were Gov Hotwheels would have been shouting it from the rooftops.

[hater]

:lol you've never been to a protest.

Youve never been in a tsunami to know itll kill you :lol

Dipshit :lol

[hater]

None of the contact tracing indicated Black Lives Matter protests were contributing to the pandemic. You know if they were Gov Hotwheels would have been shouting it from the rooftops.

:lmao what contact tracing :lol

Most of those eggheads were kids most likely asymptomatic

Do you have any link to a serious study on this?