Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[hater]

Also remember that infamous white house outdoor superspreader event :lol

[baseline bum]

:lmao what contact tracing :lol

Most of those eggheads were kids most likely asymptomatic

Do you have any link to a serious study on this?

LOL clutching pearls over outdoors transmission being minimal when you believed the bullshit six foot number indoors.

[baseline bum]

Also remember that infamous white house outdoor superspreader event :lol

Those fuckfaces were also meeting indoors at the COVID Barrett event :lol

[hater]

LOL clutching pearls over outdoors transmission being minimal when you believed the bullshit six foot number indoors.

I think its minimal but you need a mask if u gonna be in a crowd such as BLM. And you cant rub your sweaty ass among strangers like they did with a soaking fucking mask :lol

What d fuck is the use of that :lol

BLM should show us how not to behave in a pandemic. Imo

[hater]

Those fuckfaces were also meeting indoors at the COVID Barrett event :lol

Didnt know that. The pics and video I saw was most of those shitheads outdoors. Tbqh.

[hater]

Dont get me wrong I go to the beach w no mask. But u aint gonna see me rubbing my body on strangers :lol

If u can touch the stranger motherfucker you are doing it wrong :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Those fuckfaces were also meeting indoors at the COVID Barrett event :lol

Pretty cool segment on the current This American Life where Frank Luntz describes what it took to change rube minds about getting vaccinated. The last part that kind of sealed the deal was Chris fucking Christie talking about how that White House outbreak was pretty much one fairly short meeting in one room and how much it fucked up Hope Hicks.

[Trainwreck2100]

Damn, I have been going without masks outdoors ever since the Black Lives Matter protests showed it wasn't very dangerous outdoors.

I posted in the wrong thread but me too, that plus the fact you could exercise without a mask outdoors

[hater]

:lmao Joe Rogan has recommended young people not to take the vaccine

His video Already censored in twatter :lmao :lmao

Too bad its spreading :lol

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1387103402186973186?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

Details from an unpublished Israeli Health Ministry report into the side effects of the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine have raised concerns that there could be a link between the second shot and several dozen cases of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, particularly in men under 30, Channel 12 reported Friday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-shot-and-heart-problem-in-men-under-30/

[pgardn]

Dont get me wrong I go to the beach w no mask. But u aint gonna see me rubbing my body on strangers :lol

If u can touch the stranger motherfucker you are doing it wrong :lol

Just get the damn vaccine.
If you really have to go through this much consternation.

[ChumpDumper]

Just get the damn vaccine.
If you really have to go through this much consternation.He wants to get as much attention as possible.

[hater]

He wants to get as much attention as possible.

Says the guy w 128 thousand posts :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Says the guy w 128 thousand posts :lmaoI'm vaccinated.

Didn't whore about my decision making process for months.

That's what you're doing, hater.

lol hater

[SnakeBoy]

Says the guy w 128 thousand posts :lmao

:lol

Plus all his alts

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Plus all his altsWhat are you saying are my alts?

I had the one "___ good now" alt, but what else?

[spurraider21]

was able to sneak in an appointment during my 1 week in LA. getting my 2nd Pfizer shot tomorrow

[spurraider21]

What are you saying are my alts?

I had the one "___ good now" alt, but what else?
wait you mean you aren't that ShotThroughTheHeart guy??

[Reck]

Got my first shot today. So far so good, no real side effects. Just a dead arm right now.

I took the Moderna vaccine. Second dose due up the 28th of next month.

[hater]

What are you saying are my alts?

I had the one "___ good now" alt, but what else?

You clocked in another 50k posts as pavlov :lol

[spurraider21]

got Pfizer #2 this morning. dont feel anything yet.

[ChumpDumper]

You clocked in another 50k posts as pavlov :lolThat's the "good now" alt, genius.

[DarrinS]

In SA, most places are now giving shots without appointments. HEB, Alamodome, etc.

[SnakeBoy]

In SA, most places are now giving shots without appointments. HEB, Alamodome, etc.

With only 71% 65+ and 48% overall vaccinated it's pretty disappointing tbh

[DarrinS]

With only 71% 65+ and 48% overall vaccinated it's pretty disappointing tbh

I'd certainly like to see a higher percentage for the 65+ group.

[hater]

That's the "good now" alt, genius.

I was right :lol

Unhad 50k posts as pavlov :lmao

[hater]

In SA, most places are now giving shots without appointments. HEB, Alamodome, etc.

Are they giving out anything free? :lmao

Asking for a friend :lol

[DarrinS]

Are they giving out anything free? :lmao

Asking for a friend :lol

Vaccine

[spurraider21]

1 day later all i'm feeling is arm soreness. more sore than after the first shot, but i havent gotten headaches, chills, or any other reaction like that.

flying back to VA later tonight, as long as i dont feel like shit during my flight i wont complain

[SnakeBoy]

1 day later all i'm feeling is arm soreness. more sore than after the first shot, but i havent gotten headaches, chills, or any other reaction like that.

flying back to VA later tonight, as long as i dont feel like shit during my flight i wont complain

You should be past the point of having any further reaction

[SnakeBoy]

as long as you don't stroke out

[hater]

Vaccine

Bummer

[spurraider21]

You should be past the point of having any further reaction
yeah that's my understanding as well. glad im in the clear though... its pretty disturbing that we still dont know the full long term effects of covid. there are some indicators that COVID can have long term cognitive effects. dont want to deal with unknowns like that if i can help it. (though its possible that i was an asymptomatic carrier at some point)

[spurraider21]

no further reaction. by the end of the day after, my arm soreness had all but dissipated as well. "fully vaccinated" as defined by the CDC usually kicks in ~2 weeks after the second shot.

[ChumpDumper]

About the only real reason for an adult to not get vaccinated is narcissism.

[hater]

About the only real reason for an adult to not get vaccinated is narcissism.

Sorry this is happening to you

[hater]

no further reaction. by the end of the day after, my arm soreness had all but dissipated as well. "fully vaccinated" as defined by the CDC usually kicks in ~2 weeks after the second shot.

Thanks, subject

[pgardn]

Thanks, subject

Look in the mirror and ask who the subject really is.
You claim to go to South America and you are not vaccinated, gtfoh.

[DarrinS]

no further reaction. by the end of the day after, my arm soreness had all but dissipated as well. "fully vaccinated" as defined by the CDC usually kicks in ~2 weeks after the second shot.

I was the only one in my family to have severe reaction to Pfizer. My 17 y.o. son had some minor chills and body aches.

[DarrinS]

I was the only one in my family to have severe reaction to Pfizer. My 17 y.o. son had some minor chills and body aches.

My sister had strong reaction to 2nd dose Moderna. Perhaps a genetic thing? Who knows.

[pgardn]

My sister had strong reaction to 2nd dose Moderna. Perhaps a genetic thing? Who knows.

It really is tough to pin down.
But the 2nd dose seems to be worse than the first, and that does make sense. The reactions people get after the 2nd from none to red swollen skin... Its a mess on the level of allergies. Just too many factors to consider. We just need it to get done and get as many people vaccinated as possible. Because, it works.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry this is happening to youYou prove my point with every whine.

[DarrinS]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1

[DMX7]

I was the only one in my family to have severe reaction to Pfizer. My 17 y.o. son had some minor chills and body aches.

What was your severe reaction like? I had hardly any reaction to my mRNA vaccination.

[Winehole23]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1I guess you changed your mind on pre-print studies since you found one that you like. I hope it holds up. :tu

[DarrinS]

What was your severe reaction like? I had hardly any reaction to my mRNA vaccination.

Like having the flu. Resolved within 36 hours

[Winehole23]

Like having the flu. Resolved within 36 hoursso bad at the time you said you'd refuse a booster.

have you rethought that?

[DarrinS]

so bad at the time you said you'd refuse a booster.

have you rethought that?


Nope

[Joseph Kony]

Got the J&J shot a few days ago. no side effects aside from sore arm :tu

[Winehole23]

Nopegood luck!

[DarrinS]

good luck!

I'll get my mom a booster shot (if necessary). I already know what covid does to me.

[Winehole23]

I'll get my mom a booster shot (if necessary). I already know what covid does to me.hope you're right about that, too.

[DarrinS]

FDA to authorize Pfizer vaccine for ages 12-15 next week

[ElNono]

FDA to authorize Pfizer vaccine for ages 12-15 next week

Damn, need to tell derp when they authorize 8 and younger...

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1


Interestingly, the CD4+ T cell response equally targeted several SARS-CoV-2 proteins, whereas the CD8+ T cell response preferentially targeted the nucleoprotein, highlighting the importance of including the nucleoprotein as a potential vaccine antigen.


This is why I'm rooting for Codagenix's intranasal live attenuated virus vaccine to succeed. If approved, I will snort that shit.

It is named Covi-Vac, not to be confused with Russia's hyphenless CoviVac.

[hater]

Yup nasal vaccine sounds good tbqh :tu

Cubans already almost there w their nasal vac :tu :tu

[hater]

https://twitter.com/CubayEtiopia/status/1382629417579610113?s=19

:tu

[SnakeBoy]

Nope

You could get the J&J after a period of time as a booster. I think some of the severe response to the mRNA vaccine's is a reaction to the "propriety" nanolipid carrier.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/CubayEtiopia/status/1382629417579610113?s=19

:tun=88

good luck, Cuba

[Trainwreck2100]

Got the J&J shot a few days ago. no side effects aside from sore arm :tu

how long? mine was sore for almost a damn week

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/CubayEtiopia/status/1382629417579610113?s=19

:tu

That's a protein vaccine. The reason I have been rooting for a live attenuated vaccine is it will induce an immune response to the full virus and not just parts of it. That way if/when it mutates people still have significant protection from disease.

[hater]

That's a protein vaccine. The reason I have been rooting for a live attenuated vaccine is it will induce an immune response to the full virus and not just parts of it. That way if/when it mutates people still have significant protection from disease.

Yeah the chinese vac sinopharm has those. My pops got it

[baseline bum]

Damn, need to tell derp when they authorize 8 and younger...

For his SO?

[ElNono]

For his SO?

damn :lol

[Winehole23]

:tu

1389563233690849282 (https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1389563233690849282?s=20)

[hater]

:tu

1389563233690849282 (https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1389563233690849282?s=20)

:lmao emergency approval for children that have 0.05 chance of getting very sick :lmao :lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/DegueldreRoger/status/1389618003021635590?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/FUTUREvGAMING/status/1389599426163978240?s=19

[spurraider21]

1389660572262801422

[LaMarcus Bryant]

From what I can tell everyone in Dallas has either been vaccinated or firmly entrenched by Fox News that vaccine = bad.

We were set to reach herd immunity by now but everything is falling off quick

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/DegueldreRoger/status/1389618003021635590?s=19

You're a useful idiot for them by evangelizing vaccine hesitancy and helping ensure we'll keep getting new strains that need new vaccines.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

You're a useful idiot for them by evangelizing vaccine hesitancy and helping ensure we'll keep getting new strains that need new vaccines.

That's what's really driving me crazy at this point.

The very people that bitch hrr drr muhh freedomss, are the very ones that will bitch if some epic mutation claps back and we have to do a shut down again. So many people are so god damned stupid
Maybe covid should have been deadlier to darwin some of these idiots away

[baseline bum]

That's what's really driving me crazy at this point.

The very people that bitch hrr drr muhh freedomss, are the very ones that will bitch if some epic mutation claps back and we have to do a shut down again. So many people are so god damned stupid
Maybe covid should have been deadlier to darwin some of these idiots away

hater isn't stupid, he thinks it's funny that hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead.

[Winehole23]

hater do hate

[hater]

You're a useful idiot for them by evangelizing vaccine hesitancy and helping ensure we'll keep getting new strains that need new vaccines.

Meh I post shit that I think is a good point. That tweet is a good point. Vax comoanies are making a bundled and are all happy and giddy we most likely need a shot every few months.

Face reality and stop being a wuss

[hater]

That's what's really driving me crazy at this point.

The very people that bitch hrr drr muhh freedomss, are the very ones that will bitch if some epic mutation claps back and we have to do a shut down again. So many people are so god damned stupid
Maybe covid should have been deadlier to darwin some of these idiots away

Yeah so pointing out the billions these vax companies are making somehow is gonna bring another mutation that will shut us down again :lmao :lol

Thats an epically stupid take :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Meh I post shit that I think is a good point. That tweet is a good point. Vax comoanies are making a bundled and are all happy and giddy we most likely need a shot every few months.

Face reality and stop being a wuss:lol afraid of a needle and trying to call someone else a wuss

[hater]

:lol afraid of a needle and trying to call someone else a wuss

No. Thats not what that tweet is saying. Nice fail retard

[ChumpDumper]

No. Thats not what that tweet is saying. Nice fail retardThat's what you said.

:lol you're a wuss

[hater]

That's what you said.

:lol you're a wuss

Never said it retard. Nice fail

[ChumpDumper]

Never said it retard. Nice faillol so mad

such an angry wuss....

[spurraider21]

hater has been cheering on COVID from the beginning

[hater]

hater has been cheering on COVID from the beginning

Wake me.up when I start making billions off it :lol

[spurraider21]

Wake me.up when I start making billions off it :lol
you're a useful idiot, not a profiteer

[hater]

you're a useful idiot, not a profiteer

:lmao profiteering off deadly pandemics good


Says a lot about your muppet ass :lol

[boutons_deux]

Blood clots from COVID-19 up to 10 times more likely than vaccines

https://globalnews.ca/news/7759372/blood-clots-covid-more-likely-vaccines/

[hater]

Blood clots from COVID-19 up to 10 times more likely than vaccines

https://globalnews.ca/news/7759372/blood-clots-covid-more-likely-vaccines/

Only 10???

Hope thats a mistake. Thats not a good selling point imo

[ChumpDumper]

Only 10???

Hope thats a mistake. Thats not a good selling point imoStill scared, wuss?

[DarrinS]

Pfizer 100% effective in 12-15 y.o.

[hater]

Pfizer 100% effective in 12-15 y.o.

Not surprising as the full recovery rate on that same age group is 99.9% :lol

:lmao giving an experimental vaccine to children who would not even bat an eye with Covid :lmao

[spurraider21]

Not surprising as the full recovery rate on that same age group is 99.9% :lol

:lmao giving an experimental vaccine to 9 year olds :lmao
vaccine effectiveness is not based on recovery rates. its about preventing infection to begin with, so that the kids then cant pass it on to others.

[hater]

vaccine effectiveness is not based on recovery rates. its about preventing infection to begin with, so that the kids then cant pass it on to others.

So? Kids usuallybdont get infected much less pass it to anyone. And 99.9% of them have either mild symptoms or no symptoms.

Im ok with a Fully approved vaccine. But not an Emergency one. Sorry.

No reason whatsoever to give them this.

[DarrinS]

Not surprising as the full recovery rate on that same age group is 99.9% :lol

:lmao giving an experimental vaccine to children who would not even bat an eye with Covid :lmao

They're part of the herd.

[hater]

They're part of the herd.

They also our future. No reason to experiment w them. Wait until full authorization.

[SnakeBoy]

vaccine effectiveness is not based on recovery rates. its about preventing infection to begin with, so that the kids then cant pass it on to others.

Vaccine effectiveness trials have been about preventing symptomatic disease not preventing infection.

It's going to take a long time to get an accurate picture of how vaccines impact infection and transmission.

[pgardn]

Vaccine effectiveness trials have been about preventing symptomatic disease not preventing infection.

It's going to take a long time to get an accurate picture of how vaccines impact infection and transmission.

The early results are clearly the vaccinated individual is less likely to spread viable virus.
Get vaccinated for yourself and others.
Hater...

[pgardn]

They also our future. No reason to experiment w them. Wait until full authorization.

Stop it with the humane nonsense.
You dont give a fck.
You just dont want a needle in you.

[spurraider21]

Vaccine effectiveness trials have been about preventing symptomatic disease not preventing infection.

It's going to take a long time to get an accurate picture of how vaccines impact infection and transmission.
thanks for clarification. :tu its immunity to the infection, not preventing infection.

but still, its a different metric than recovery from illness

[DarrinS]

FLCCC adds Fluvoxamine to their early outpatient protocol

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

[SnakeBoy]

They also our future. No reason to experiment w them. Wait until full authorization.

I just saw the press release on the trial. Only 1100 kids is an awfully small sample size.

It's going to be a big deal if they press forward with such a small trial and then there is a serious side effect considering that group is at such low risk from the virus.

[hater]

I just saw the press release on the trial. Only 1100 kids is an awfully small sample size.

It's going to be a big deal if they press forward with such a small trial and then there is a serious side effect considering that group is at such low risk from the virus.

:tu

100%

But even a medium side effect or even a few minor long term side effects would be a disaster

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Yeah so pointing out the billions these vax companies are making somehow is gonna bring another mutation that will shut us down again :lmao :lol

Thats an epically stupid take :lmao

no to clarify
the redneck and ignorant fucks that think they're too free to get vaccinated and bring up Pfizer income as proof covid is a scam are the exact reason why covid will be a permanent thing and repeated vaccines needed, thereby giving them more opportunity to flaunt their needle dick freedoms

It's a cycle, it's circular, but I guess you can't understand it if you're in it.

[spurraider21]

1389660572262801422
:tu

1390021205974003720

[Winehole23]

:tu

1390021205974003720Waiving TRIPs can't hurt, but I've heard the immediate bottleneck is production, not rights.

It's estimated ~1.5 billion vaccines will be produced this year, global need has been reported to be in the range of 10-15 billion doses.

[SnakeBoy]

:tu

1390021205974003720

lol committed to taking the time needed to negotiate at the WTO

[spurraider21]

lol committed to taking the time needed to negotiate at the WTO
1390023742194061312

[hater]

no to clarify
the redneck and ignorant fucks that think they're too free to get vaccinated and bring up Pfizer income as proof covid is a scam are the exact reason why covid will be a permanent thing and repeated vaccines needed, thereby giving them more opportunity to flaunt their needle dick freedoms

It's a cycle, it's circular, but I guess you can't understand it if you're in it.

I doubt theres any person who wont get vaccinated as not to enrich Pfizer stockholders and CEOs tbqh

[SnakeBoy]

Seychelles Experiencing COVID-19 Surge, Enforcing Restrictions, Despite Leading World In Vaccination Rate
https://www.dailywire.com/news/seychelles-experiencing-covid-19-surge-enforcing-restrictions-despite-leading-world-in-vaccination-rate


60% Sinopharm

We need to give China our technology :cry

[ElNono]

:tu

1390021205974003720

Old Joe getting it done :tu

[spurraider21]

Old Joe getting it done :tu
promises made, promises kept

[boutons_deux]

Old Joe getting it done :tu

will BigPharma comply? will they judge-shop for Repug pro-business judge to protect the patents?

[boutons_deux]

Countries denied access to medicines and vaccines they help develop

new medicines and vaccines approved for use in the United States are often unavailable in countries that hosted their clinical trials,

suggesting that the benefits of drug research are not being shared equitably among populations that participate in testing.

34 novel drugs sponsored by large pharmaceutical companies that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved between 2012 and 2014.

Approvals were made on the basis of a total of 898 trials that were held in the United States and 70 other countries worldwide.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-05/yu-cda050521.php

[Cuck Ross]

promises made, promises kept
US talk of waiving vaccine patents is merely symbolic: Experts
The U.S. is supporting discussions (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/u-s-to-back-waiver-of-vaccine-ip-protections-at-wto-tai-says?sref=eeq6exxF)about waiving vaccine patent rights in order to help increase vaccine production globally as a new wave of coronavirus cases, particularly in India, is causing concern.
U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai said in a statement Wednesday (https://twitter.com/AmbassadorTai/status/1390021205974003720?s=20) the country would engage in text-based negotiations with the World Trade Organization.
But Tai also tempered expectations, noting that, "Negotiations will take time given the consensus-based nature of the institution and the complexity of the issues involved."
The negotiations center around the Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, known informally as the TRIPS Agreement (https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/27-trips_01_e.htm). Both India and South Africa pushed for waivers in October.
Many health and policy experts, however, believe the move, while unprecedented, is unlikely to have any real impact.
"I don't see what this move gets us in terms of getting more vaccines," said Craig Garthwaite, director of health care at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University.
Garthwaite told Yahoo Finance it appears more of a symbolic gesture to signal that the U.S. is taking the surge in India seriously.
But if the Biden administration were taking the crisis more seriously, it would have already sent tens of millions of stockpiled AstraZeneca (AZN (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/AZN)) doses to India, he said.
The Biden administration has faced stark criticism (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-us-is-not-helping-enough-as-india-battles-new-covid-19-wave-expert-150823724.html) over its hoarding of AstraZeneca doses, especially after Chief White House Medical Adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said the U.S. would not need them.
One vaccine expert, Dr. Peter Hotez at Baylor College of Medicine, said the U.S. doses would be a "drop in the bucket" of what India needs.
Manufacturing bottleneckExperts like bioethicist NYU Langone's Dr. Arthur Caplan say the patent waivers are no more than a red herring, "because no one is going to get a vaccine by next month."
The issue hasn't been the technology, but rather the manufacturing process, Caplan told Yahoo Finance. So a patent waiver and technology transfer is useless, he added.
Pfizer (PFE (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/PFE)) CEO Albert Bourla recently told Yahoo Finance (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-in-talks-with-india-for-covid-19-vaccine-193533468.html) that the process to manufacture the vaccine involves 19 countries already — signifying a global effort for sourcing and production— for a technology that didn't exist at scale before the pandemic.
"Right now, the bottleneck is related with the ability to ramp up manufacturing at the levels that the demand is. The issues are with raw materials that are in limited supply. These are highly specialized raw materials ... It's not simple chemicals," Bourla said.
Which is why, even if a company were to get the technology and try to produce more vaccines, they wouldn't be able to sustain regular production, and it would take them at least two years to scale up, Bourla said.
Garthwaite echoed Bourla's comments, noting that making a vaccine, "is not like trying to make a cheesecake."
Meanwhile, Moderna (MRNA (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/MRNA)) had already voluntarily waived its patent enforcement in October, but so far has had no takers.
Even if it did, CEO Stéphane Bancel told Yahoo Finance (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/moderna-ramps-up-investments-to-triple-vaccine-output-eyes-boosters-204728112.html) that they company doesn't have resources to allocate to bring in a new partner.
"Because we are still a small company, you know Moderna is 1,300 people ... the tech transfer would take resources away this year, to prepare for next year if we were to outsource the technology. That will limit our ability to make as many doses as we can this year," Bancel said.
But the biggest questions circulating have been about what it means for future intellectual property protections and how that could affect the U.S.'s standing in the biotechnology sector.
"The holy grail of the U.S. is IP," said Raymond James analyst Chris Meekins.
Meekins told Yahoo Finance Wednesday that the unprecedented move raises questions for something that "has always been a lockbox for good reason."
He noted Tai's comment on the pace of negotiations was important, because the idea that a waiver would be "game-changing action for India or South America in the next three months is wishful thinking."
Caplan said that it's also possible that negotiations could sour if trade partners ask for things the U.S. and pharma companies are not willing to give. On the other hand, a limit to only use this strategy for pandemics, and to set a reimbursement rate of some sort, could make it more appealing for the U.S., he added.
"It's ludicrous to try and protect patents in a worldwide pandemic," Caplan said.

[Cuck Ross]

Old Joe getting it done :tu
Garthwaite told Yahoo Finance it appears more of a symbolic gesture to signal that the U.S. is taking the surge in India seriously.
But if the Biden administration were taking the crisis more seriously, it would have already sent tens of millions of stockpiled AstraZeneca (AZN (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/AZN)) doses to India, he said.

[DarrinS]

Garthwaite told Yahoo Finance it appears more of a symbolic gesture to signal that the U.S. is taking the surge in India seriously.
But if the Biden administration were taking the crisis more seriously, it would have already sent tens of millions of stockpiled AstraZeneca (AZN (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/AZN)) doses to India, he said.

Yeah, why not send it? No one here is taking that one anyway.

[Cuck Ross]

Yeah, why not send it? No one here is taking that one anyway.

Old Joe getting it done :tu :lol

On a serious note though no clue why we aren’t sending it.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, why not send it? No one here is taking that one anyway.


Old Joe getting it done :tu :lol

On a serious note though no clue why we aren’t sending it.
america first

joe the patriot

[DarrinS]

america first

joe the patriot


Listen fat...Lying, dog-faced pony soldier

[hater]

If Joe wanted to get shit done hed have signed an executive order :lol

[Winehole23]

this is evil shit

1390096491860172804

[baseline bum]

Fox News is fucking metastasized cancer

[hater]

Big Pharma to Old Joe

"Wrong answer, old boy"

https://twitter.com/StephNebehay/status/1390067467314253828?s=19

:lmao


Calling it Joe will back down or claim agnostic :lol

[pgardn]

this is evil shit

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He's got the freedom to say whatever he wants as a Trump appointed judge already said.

Basically: No one with a sense of reason believes what he says

Well apparently the US and this board are full of people unable to reason.

[pgardn]

Big Pharma to Old Joe

"Wrong answer, old boy"

https://twitter.com/StephNebehay/status/1390067467314253828?s=19



:lmao


Calling it Joe will back down or claim agnostic :lol

People are also completely overlooking that WE have had trouble with their political leaders as well as Modi is not admitting to the f-up and is not doing much of anything himself to help a problem that he claimed was "India's great achievement" when the rest of the world was in trouble. This is another democratically elected Trump like president who wont swallow the bitter pill.

And quit with this humanitarian shit hater.
You dont give a shit. You really dont. You care about who ever is in charge looking bad or good, not actual people dying.
You are as fake a poster as there is on this board. At least derp stays retarded.

[spurraider21]

Listen fat...Lying, dog-faced pony soldier
we dont have time for political correctness

[pgardn]

If Joe wanted to get shit done hed have signed an executive order :lol

One that could be challenged in court?

[ElNono]

Garthwaite told Yahoo Finance it appears more of a symbolic gesture to signal that the U.S. is taking the surge in India seriously.
But if the Biden administration were taking the crisis more seriously, it would have already sent tens of millions of stockpiled AstraZeneca (AZN (https://www.finance.yahoo.com/quote/AZN)) doses to India, he said.


Yeah, why not send it? No one here is taking that one anyway.


Old Joe getting it done :tu :lol

On a serious note though no clue why we aren’t sending it.


No idea either, but when you get BigPharma worked up like this:


Big Pharma to Old Joe

"Wrong answer, old boy"

https://twitter.com/StephNebehay/status/1390067467314253828?s=19

:lmao

Calling it Joe will back down or claim agnostic :lol

then you're pushing the right buttons...

[boutons_deux]

they say they can fix the rare blood clots from J&J shot

[ElNono]

they say they can fix the rare blood clots from J&J shot

Before or after you die?

[Winehole23]

the vaccines work well against known variants of interest

get the damn shot, people

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[Winehole23]

study suggests COVID-19 fatality is correlated with delayed antibody production rather than viral load, which in turn indicates a possible window to alter disease trajectory.

maybe a human health pro can tease out some of the technical details, it's way beyond me.


In this study, we analyzed humoral immune responses in 229 patients with asymptomatic, mild, moderate and severe COVID-19 over time to probe the nature of antibody responses in disease severity and mortality. We observed a correlation between anti-spike (S) immunoglobulin G (IgG) levels, length of hospitalization and clinical parameters associated with worse clinical progression. Although high anti-S IgG levels correlated with worse disease severity, such correlation was time dependent. Deceased patients did not have higher overall humoral response than discharged patients. However, they mounted a robust, yet delayed, response, measured by anti-S, anti-receptor-binding domain IgG and neutralizing antibody (NAb) levels compared to survivors. Delayed seroconversion kinetics correlated with impaired viral control in deceased patients. Finally, although sera from 85% of patients displayed some neutralization capacity during their disease course, NAb generation before 14 d of disease onset emerged as a key factor for recovery. These data indicate that COVID-19 mortality does not correlate with the cross-sectional antiviral antibody levels per se but, rather, with the delayed kinetics of NAb production.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01355-0#Sec5

[hater]

Good shit :tu

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1390282546785644544?s=19

[Joseph Kony]

how long? mine was sore for almost a damn week

Got it on Friday, injection site was back to normal by Tuesday

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0ydAnVVgAsBVH6?format=png&name=small

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0ydAnVVgAsBVH6?format=png&name=small


Volunteer Firefighters Have Higher Levels Of “Forever Chemicals”

https://scienceblog.com/522584/volunteer-firefighters-have-higher-levels-of-forever-chemicals

[Winehole23]

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[spurraider21]

how would those 2 things even be related?

[Winehole23]

how would those 2 things even be related?the publicity about Gates going to pedo island is close in time to his reversal on vaccine patents, is all. anyone in his position would have a powerful motive to change the conversation.

[spurraider21]

the publicity about Gates going to pedo island is close in time to his reversal on vaccine patents, is all. anyone in his position would have a powerful motive to change the conversation.
also a little confused by the wording of the tweet, re bill gates giving up "his" patents. what covid vaccine patents does the gates foundation hold?

[Winehole23]

also a little confused by the wording of the tweet, re bill gates giving up "his" patents. what covid vaccine patents does the gates foundation hold?yeah, it's semi-coherent

[Winehole23]

"shedding"


A conspiracy ripping through the anti-vax world may finally drive some anti-maskers to do the unthinkable: wear a mask and keep their distance.


The conspiracy—which comes in several shapes and sizes—more or less says the vaccinated will “shed” (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19vaccine-reproductivepro-idUSL1N2MG256)certain proteins onto the unvaccinated who will then suffer adverse effects. The main worry is the “shedding” will cause irregular menstruation, infertility, and miscarriages. The entirely baseless idea is a key cog in a larger conspiracy that COVID-19 was a ploy to depopulate the world, and the vaccine is what will cull the masses.


Experts say the conspiracy is born from a fundamental misunderstanding (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19vaccine-reproductivepro-idUSL1N2MG256) of how vaccines work. It has been widely debunked and you can read about it here (https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-422789651769), here (https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/), and here (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/27/fact-check-exposure-vaccinated-person-wont-cause-miscarriage/7303796002/), among other places. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nnwg/anti-maskers-ready-to-start-maskingto-protect-themselves-from-the-vaccinated

[spurraider21]

even republican governors can do good things

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[Winehole23]

greed kills

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[Winehole23]

can't give Trump credit and deny this, tbh

It Was The Government That Produced COVID-19 Vaccine Success (https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20210512.191448/full/)

[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

Covid magnet challenge trending


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcZA4hNQM

Factcheckers are on the case

I'd try it but I don't want to damage my microchip

[spurraider21]

Covid magnet challenge trending


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcZA4hNQM

Factcheckers are on the case

I'd try it but I don't want to damage my microchip
:lol

[DMC]

even republican governors can do good things

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That's fucking stupid. That 1m could go to infrastructure instead of being a scratchoff.

[spurraider21]

That's fucking stupid. That 1m could go to infrastructure instead of being a scratchoff.
if thats what it takes to get your braindead constituents to get their shots and prevent future outbreaks, it is what it is

[DMC]

if thats what it takes to get your braindead constituents to get their shots and prevent future outbreaks, it is what it is

"He's going to stick it up his ass"

"that's what it takes to get your braindead..."

It's a waste of money.

[DMC]

Covid magnet challenge trending


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcZA4hNQM

Factcheckers are on the case

I'd try it but I don't want to damage my microchip

Dude keeps phone to face all day

Streams his life

pays for thousands of needle sticks and a contaminant to color his arm

Thinks he's somehow now compromised because of something that can fit in the capillary of a needle.

[Winehole23]

hmm

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[ChumpDumper]

hmm

1397561090855346182Kind of makes sense. The self-reported asymptomatic or mild-symptom breakthrough number is pretty useless without regular testing nationwide.

Vaccinated Americans as of April 30: 101,000,000

COVID deaths of those vaccinated: 142

Seems pretty good IMO.

[Winehole23]

Kind of makes sense. The self-reported asymptomatic or mild-symptom breakthrough number is pretty useless without regular testing nationwide.

Vaccinated Americans as of April 30: 101,000,000

COVID deaths of those vaccinated: 142

Seems pretty good IMO.Sure.

It's also intuitive that tracking breakthrough infections is a measure of vaccine efficacy and and might provide warning of vaccine escape before lots of vaccinated people end up in the hospital or dead.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure.

It's also intuitive that tracking breakthrough infections is a measure of vaccine efficacy and and might provide warning of vaccine escape before lots of vaccinated people end up in the hospital or dead.Hence the smaller studies that would produce meaningful numbers.

[Winehole23]

Hence the smaller studies that would produce meaningful numbers.Local health departments will be tracking stuff like this too, I guess it's just optically weird to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Local health departments will be tracking stuff like this too, I guess it's just optically weird to me.

Well, you're looking at it from the perspective of doing what we should have been doing for a full year.

We didn't and we won't, so that particular number is and would continue to be meaningless.

It will be more useful in the localities, but still not as useful as it would've been with regular testing.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Zn9YuVkAomCeS?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

dp

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2ouhfpXwAo8h8F?format=jpg&name=medium

[baseline bum]

Kind of makes sense. The self-reported asymptomatic or mild-symptom breakthrough number is pretty useless without regular testing nationwide.

Vaccinated Americans as of April 30: 101,000,000

COVID deaths of those vaccinated: 142

Seems pretty good IMO.

Where did you get the 142 deaths number?

[ChumpDumper]

Where did you get the 142 deaths number?As best as I can recall, a sloppy reading of the imprecise CDC report. Though I might have read something else.

A total of 10,262 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections had been reported from 46 U.S. states and territories as of April 30, 2021. Among these cases, 6,446 (63%) occurred in females, and the median patient age was 58 years (interquartile range = 40–74 years). Based on preliminary data, 2,725 (27%) vaccine breakthrough infections were asymptomatic, 995 (10%) patients were known to be hospitalized, and 160 (2%) patients died. Among the 995 hospitalized patients, 289 (29%) were asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason unrelated to COVID-19. The median age of patients who died was 82 years (interquartile range = 71–89 years); 28 (18%) decedents were asymptomatic or died from a cause unrelated to COVID-19. Sequence data were available from 555 (5%) reported cases, 356 (64%) of which were identified as SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern,§ including B.1.1.7 (199; 56%), B.1.429 (88; 25%), B.1.427 (28; 8%), P.1 (28; 8%), and B.1.351 (13; 4%).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm?s_cid=mm7021e3_w

Since they don't differentiate between non-COVID caused and asymptomatic deaths, I'll stick with the 160 number.

[SnakeBoy]

hmm

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What is the issue? I haven't been a fan of the cdc throughout this pandemic but criticizing them for not investigating vaccines working exactly like they are supposed to work seems retarded.

[Winehole23]

What is the issue? I haven't been a fan of the cdc throughout this pandemic but criticizing them for not investigating vaccines working exactly like they are supposed to work seems retarded.Eh, I think local health departments will probably clock breakthrough infections as needed. The incuriousness looked weird to me at first, that's all.

Please feel free to wash the sand out of your vag and enjoy the long weekend! :tu

[Winehole23]

The experimental drug TEMPOL may be a promising oral antiviral treatment for COVID-19, suggests a study of cell cultures by researchers at the National Institutes of Health. TEMPOL can limit SARS-CoV-2 infection by impairing the activity of a viral enzyme called RNA replicase. The work was led by researchers at NIH’s Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD). The study appears in Science.


“We urgently need additional effective, accessible treatments for COVID-19,” said Diana W. Bianchi, M.D., NICHD Director. “An oral drug that prevents SARS-CoV-2 from replicating would be an important tool for reducing the severity of the disease.”
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-researchers-identify-potential-new-antiviral-drug-covid-19

[Winehole23]

loving the tempo of news about theraputic treatments for COVID-19 but as always, with a grain of salt. this bit is essentially news via press release, hopefully knock-on studies bear out the results.

n=10


Bonus’s MesenCure, which consists of activated Mesenchymal Stromal Cells (MSCs) that are isolated from the adipose tissue of healthy donors, was found to reduce inflammation and alleviate respiratory and other symptoms in patients suffering from life-threatening respiratory distress brought on by COVID-19.

“So far, the results of the treatment with the drug MesenCure are extremely impressive and an improvement over the results of other treatments,” said Dr. Shadi Hamoud, principal investigator in the clinical trial and deputy director of the Department of Internal Medicine E at Rambam.

He said the results were so promising that the hospital was already examining use of the treatment for other indications.

Bonus reported on 10 COVID patients between the ages of 45 to 75, all with severe symptoms. Ninety percent of them also had comorbidities.


The data showed a 40% decrease in lung inflammation from treatment – from 55% to 15%, as seen in chest X-rays, in the first five days after treatment. One month later, lung inflammation reached 1%.

Additionally, patients showed significantly improved respiratory function, with blood oxygen saturation increasing to 95% and lung functioning returning to almost entirely normal levels after only one month.
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/10-serious-covid-patients-given-israeli-drug-leave-hospital-in-one-day-669564

[DarrinS]

Immunity may be life long

nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

[pgardn]

Immunity may be life long

nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

excellent news

As I had stated before, molecular biologists looked at the spike protein and its mRna sequence and were very happy at what they saw. A one trick pony. Hopefully. We are really getting good at this. And at an important moment. The pace at which this was all accomplished is amazing. Possibly very bad news for hater.

[DarrinS]

Sharp decline in cases in India. Can't be explained by vaccination.

Must be some mystery therapeutic

worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

[pgardn]

Sharp decline in cases in India. Can't be explained by vaccination.

Must be some mystery therapeutic

worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

MUST be... thats a joke im guessing.

[ChumpDumper]

Sharp decline in cases in India. Can't be explained by vaccination.

Must be some mystery therapeutic

worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/So you never saw a COVID wave go down before the vaccinations, Darrin?

[SnakeBoy]

Sharp decline in cases in India. Can't be explained by vaccination.

Must be some mystery therapeutic

worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

I'm thinking it is explained by S rather than a mystery therapeutic that was also in widespread use in India before the spike

R0 = S * L * β

S = Susceptible Hosts – This is the number of people an infected individual comes into contact with per day while infectious with a disease.

L = Length of Infection – The number of days that an infected individual is infectious to the people he comes into contact with.

β = Transmissibility – This is a number that quantifies the ability for an infectious agent to spread between people or from the agent hosts to people.

[DarrinS]

I'm thinking it is explained by S rather than a mystery therapeutic that was also in widespread use in India before the spike

R0 = S * L * β

S = Susceptible Hosts – This is the number of people an infected individual comes into contact with per day while infectious with a disease.

L = Length of Infection – The number of days that an infected individual is infectious to the people he comes into contact with.

β = Transmissibility – This is a number that quantifies the ability for an infectious agent to spread between people or from the agent hosts to people.



I'm guessing its widespread use of Ivermectin.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm guessing its widespread use of Ivermectin.

Then why didn't it prevent the spike in the first place?

[DarrinS]

Then why didn't it prevent the spike in the first place?

Not widespread use. You can compare states where it is used vs blocked. Its a dramatic difference.

[DarrinS]

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[ChumpDumper]

India's numbers have always been undercounted.

As have ours.

[spurraider21]

1402613135371087884
independent media like that shit derp spams?

[DarrinS]

India's numbers have always been undercounted.

As have ours.

That wasn't the point, Derp2.0.

[ChumpDumper]

That wasn't the point, Derp2.0.So why were you bitching about the undercounting claim, derpin?

[DarrinS]

So why were you bitching about the undercounting claim, derpin?

I wasn't. Still missing the point, Derp2.0

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1402646586379878409

[DarrinS]

https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1402646586379878409

Fucking hilarious :lol

[Thread]

India's numbers have always been undercounted.

As have ours.

Mother fucker Biden lost over another 450 Americans today, Dumps.

And Florida ain't reported in since last Friday. tee, hee.

[pgardn]

Fucking hilarious :lol

Good lord.
Your skin you dumb shit. It has friction. Now shove a penny into your forehead and explain why it sticks with a fine layer of copper with zinc underneath, zero IRON. Then try paper, it sticks? Holy shit, oil on your skin and makeup? Love how it stuck so well to your neck.
This is so derp.
She did her "experiment" at lunch... ?

"Any questions?"

Yes, who dropped you on your head?

And the lady on the right, " this has been an awful day for Antivaccer Nation"

[DarrinS]

There are effective cheap therapies that work. Oh well.

[pgardn]

There are effective cheap therapies that work. Oh well.

which ones? plural...

[DarrinS]

which ones? plural...

Ivermectin and fluvoxamine

[pgardn]

Ivermectin and fluvoxamine

Ivermectin is a drug for Eukaryotic multicellular parasites. Fungi and parasitic worms.
So you suggest using it for viruses... ? These are very different "organisms". You see a correlation between numbers of people and use of this drug? I see a drug that has ZERO discernable effectiveness for viruses mechanistically. This is NOT what it was used for in the first place. Why would you not choose an antiviral drug first, instead of a drug that IS MUCH MORE LIKELY to also kill Eukaryotic multicellular organisms like us? I guess you found numbers, zero on mechanism.
WE KNOW how vaccines work. I see zero for the biological mechanism for Invermectin.

fluvoxamine is a serotonin uptake inhibitor. It is used for depression in people. We know how serotonin uptake inhibitors work. It does have a possible biological mechanism, but not for PREVENTING A significant INFECTION, just reducing symptoms. You still get the disease. And the studies are scarce.

And you say less expensive than vaccines... So what if they dont work like vaccines?

So I dont get it. I would love the cheap magic bullet, but you just keep throwing all kinds of chemicals that are not normally found in the body instead of telling your own immune system to get ready in case this comes. I dont get your mindset. At all.

You have jumped the hydroxychloroquine ship or is it still on the list? If not, what else dropped off the radar?

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1402646586379878409


lmaoooo


I'm still waiting for my magnetic powers to kicc in
https://media1.tenor.com/images/453b9542cbe80c077e653047fcf13d2a/tenor.gif?itemid=12274912

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1402646586379878409

Thatll be a fun thanksgiving get together :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Ivermectin and fluvoxamine

Why are you such a cunt about every single thing, derpin?

It's not like you can invented these treatments.

Oh well.

[boutons_deux]

Houston hospital suspends 178 employees who refused Covid-19 vaccination

Nearly 25,000 of Houston Methodist's staff members have been fully inoculated against Covid-19 as part of a vaccination requirement announced in April.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/houston-hospital-suspends-178-employees-who-refused-covid-19-vaccine-n1270261

[hater]

:lmao I just did the coin test and it sticks :lmao

Hopefully because its a bit muggy and hot :lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao I just did the coin test and it sticks :lmao

Hopefully because its a bit muggy and hot :lmao
dude can you also hang a spoon from your nose?!???

[hater]

dude can you also hang a spoon from your nose?!???

Can u show me a tutorial? Ill sure will give it a shot

[DarrinS]

https://c19early.com

[ChumpDumper]

ooooooh anonymous people cherry picking studies!

[pgardn]

Can u show me a tutorial? Ill sure will give it a shot

You did not go to school in the US did you...
I think my entire elementary school did this during lunch.
Oh. You were the kid who struck his forehead with the ball-peen hammer.
I remember you.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/Tylerjoelb/status/1402646586379878409

I can see Millennial Messiah hooking up with this lady and making babies for circus attractions.

[DarrinS]

People are fucking crazy man. DarrinS as a republican stalwart. What do you think about all this pedophile cabal peddlers, vaccine truthers, Qbullshits, white supremacists, just crazy fucking people but they are strictly republican and orange shit worshippers? Can I get your perspective on all that? I just wanna know what you think about the current Republican party. Honest question. Will not make fun of honest answer.

Can you put this into a cogent sentence?

[DarrinS]

I can make it clearer than it already is. What do you think about all the millions of fucking crazy republicans we have nowadays?

I think you're special. :lol

[Winehole23]

The pace of new shots is roughly where it was when Biden took office.

Unimpressive.


https://ladailypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/us-daily-vaccine.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

The pace of new shots is roughly where it was when Biden took office.

Unimpressive.


https://ladailypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/us-daily-vaccine.jpg

The dead-enders are literally that.

[Thread]

The dead-enders are literally that.

Oh, you mean the "chumps" - "sick" - an "embarrassment" and more. You mean those people? What the fuck did you expect...mother fucker Biden shits all over us, steals our $600, then fleeces President Trump for it, then comes waddling to us..."please unite and get vaccinated."

Your mother is waitin', Joe, get ta fuckin'.

[Thread]

And it takes Chris Paul's reinfection after vaccination to find out that over 2k of Arizonans are reinfected after vaccination.

They weren't going to offer that grim business until a favored son got bit.

Big shots.

[Winehole23]

amazing, if true

poster is a WSJ guy

1406834877903761409

[boutons_deux]

The dead-enders are literally that.

reports say that cases (Delta) are rising where vax is low rate, Confederate/red states, red counties

[Winehole23]

booster shots coming soon

1405180567096791042

[DarrinS]

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.a spx

[Winehole23]

1408816465021702148

[Winehole23]

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.a spxThe narrative that an ivermectin cure/treatment is being suppressed is tinhat.


In comparison to SOC or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or severe AEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.a spx

[Winehole23]

"get the shot, people"

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[Frenchfred]

"get the shot, people"

1411733307839111173

some people would rather put others in danger than getting vaccinated and they call themselves patriots :rolleyes.

[spurraider21]

Was always going to be these spikes when they rolled back all precautionary measures with such low vaccination figures

[boutons_deux]

Fauci sez 99% of covid deaths now are the unvaccinated.

Blacks are recalcitrant since whitey's "health care", and all white institutions, have screwed them since forever.

[Winehole23]

private sector starts makng the jab mandatory

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[Thread]

private sector starts makng the jab mandatory

1408153141187690501

- "Promises, promises."

- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

[Winehole23]

troubling breakthroughs in Israel


A corona (https://www.morgenpost.de/themen/coronavirus/) outbreak among schoolchildren after a party in Tel Aviv worries the health authorities in Israel . As the TV broadcaster Channel 12 reports, at least 83 young people caught the virus at the celebration - all of them with the same classmate. What is particularly worrying about the case is the chain of infection that led to the outbreak.


According to the Times of Israel, the young man who distributed the virus at the party was vaccinated. He, in turn, had been infected by a relative who had also been vaccinated, and that relative had been infected by a person who had also been vaccinated and who was recently in London.
https://www.morgenpost.de/vermischtes/article232700219/corona-infektion-israel-geimpft-delta-impfung.html

[hater]

Congratulations to the great Cuban Empire :tu

They now have their own vaccine and they promised to give it free to the world :tu

Now finally the planet has a good option and hope

https://twitter.com/AlisonB916/status/1413292499288743936?s=19

[RandomGuy]

private sector starts makng the jab mandatory

1408153141187690501

Ironic is right to work states have substantial populations of people that are also likely no-maskers and/or anti-vaxxers.

Anti-vaxx used to be more of a left stupidity, but COVID and Trumps ego changed that.

[DarrinS]

https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/img-1.jpeg

[baseline bum]

Ironic is right to work states have substantial populations of people that are also likely no-maskers and/or anti-vaxxers.

Anti-vaxx used to be more of a left stupidity, but COVID and Trumps ego changed that.

Anti-vax has always been a religious nut thing too, see the measles outbreak at Kenneth Copeland's church in 2013.

[boutons_deux]

52% of Americans think covid-19 was from a lab leak, deluded by Trash/Repug racist hate of Chinese

There were virologists last year saying that the virus could not have been fabbed

A group of virologists makes a case against the lab-leak theory.

a group of scientists this week presented a review (https://zenodo.org/record/5075888) of scientific findings that they argue shows a natural spillover from animal to human is a far more likely cause of the pandemic than a laboratory incident.

They observed the striking similarity that Covid-19’s emergence had to other viral diseases that arose through natural spillovers, and pointed to a variety of newly discovered viruses in animals that are closely related to the one that caused the new pandemic.

was written by a team of 21 virologists.

Four of them also collaborated on a 2020 paper (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9) in Nature Medicine that

largely dismissed the possibility that the virus became a human pathogen through laboratory manipulation.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/09/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates

[Blake]

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You really are more terrified of the vaccine than covid?

Jesus you're a fucking moron

[DarrinS]

You really are more terrified of the vaccine than covid?

Jesus you're a fucking moron


I've had both. Terrified of neither.

[Winehole23]

1415162133902417929

[Winehole23]

I've had both. Terrified of neither.no one's asking you to be afraid. that's a faulty inference.

[Winehole23]

China whiffing with Sinovac


Antibody levels in people fully vaccinated with the Sinovac vaccine decline by half every 40 days, according to findings from a joint study between Thammasat University's faculty of medicine and the National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (Biotec).

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2147667/sinovac-produced-antibodies-halve-every-40-days

[Winehole23]

Dr. Michelle Fiscus, the medical director for vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization programs at the Tennessee Department of Health, said she was fired on Monday afternoon and provided a copy of her termination letter. It provides no explanation for her termination.


Fiscus said she was a scapegoat who was terminated to appease state lawmakers angry about the department's efforts to vaccinate teenagers against coronavirus.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/07/12/tennessee-fires-top-vaccine-official-covid-19-shows-new-spread/7928699002/

[boutons_deux]

Pfizer COVID vaccine makes 10 times more antibodies than Sinovac - study

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/pfizer-covid-vaccine-makes-10-times-more-antibodies-than-sinovac-study-674173

[boutons_deux]

COVID truther lies to Fox News that vaccines are ‘declining in effectiveness very quickly’


https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNDgxNzUzNS9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NDQ2MDE2N30.PBqpCLAvv RvaZrBCloEBxZzdrPE-jn6eG-ZwkVIWmyI/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675

Tucker Carlson :lol

played host to Alex Berenson, :lol

a COVID-19 truther who has consistently pushed falsehoods and wrong predictions (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/) about the pandemic.

During the segment, Berenson falsely cast doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccines at protecting people from the virus.

https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-alex-berenson-vaccines

[spurraider21]

Anti-vax has always been a religious nut thing too, see the measles outbreak at Kenneth Copeland's church in 2013.
Outbreak among Somalis in minnesota some time ago too iirc

[TSA]

Should COVID-19 be a vaccine disease or a childhood disease?

Dear Editor

In the discussion regarding COVID-19 vaccination of children, several aspects seem to be missing.

First, vaccination of children is based on a small Pfizer-sponsored phase 3 trial of 2260 adolescents randomized to BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine or saline. The resulting paper concludes that the vaccine ”had a favorable safety profile”(1). However, based on data presented in supplementary table 2, in the age group 12-15 years, 7/1131 vaccinated vs. 2/1129 unvaccinated had a severe adverse event (1), i.e. a 3-fold increased risk. In the 16-25 years age group presented in the same paper, 9/536 vaccinated vs. 3/561 unvaccinated had a severe adverse event (1), i.e. likewise a 3-fold increased risk. The combined results indicate a 3.28 (95% confidence interval 1.21 to 8.94)-fold increased risk in severe adverse events in the vaccinated adolescents/young adults (2). In absolute numbers, 1 of 100 vaccinated experienced a severe event, vs. 3 of 1000 unvaccinated. Data was not presented by sex.

A protective vaccine can have negative non-specific and sex-differential effects on overall health (3). For instance, a protective measles vaccine had to be withdrawn after being associated with 2-fold higher all-cause mortality for females (4). A partially protective malaria vaccine was recently likewise associated with 2-fold higher female mortality (5). These epidemiological observations indicate that while the vaccines protected against the target disease, they increased the susceptibility to other diseases. In other words, the specific protection came at the price of increased susceptibility to other diseases. This epidemiological phenomenon of negative non-specific effects has been linked to innate immune tolerance (3, 6). Though the number of participants was small, the only study so far of BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine indicates that this vaccine induces innate immune tolerance towards bacterial and viral ligands (7). Thus, protection against COVID-19 could come at the price of increased risk of other infections.

Other pandemic vaccines have later been found out to have caused rare but severe side effects, like Guillain-Barré syndrome in recipients of flu vaccines in 1976, and narcolepsy linked to one brand of swine flu influenza vaccine in 2009(8). None of the phase 3 trials of COVID-19 vaccines were designed to study either non-specific sex-differential effects, or rare but severe long-term side effects (8).

Given the low risk of severe COVID-19 in previously healthy children - none in the Pfizer-sponsored phase 3 trial (1) - it is not clear that vaccine benefits outweigh harm in healthy children.

Second, arguments for vaccinating children include that infection in children could lead to more dangerous variants. Variants of concern have typically been the result of persistent infections in immunocompromised people that can cause the virus to mutate more frequently because the person's immune system cannot clear the virus as quickly as the immune system of a healthy person (9). Presumably healthy children, who typically have very mild/short-lasting infections, are unlikely to give rise to variants of concern. Noteworthy, individuals, who have had COVID-19 infection, will likely have broad resistance towards SARS-CoV2 variants(10), and thus contribute importantly to herd immunity.

This leads us to the third point: Should COVID-19 be a vaccine disease or a childhood disease? There has been surprisingly little discussion about the future of COVID-19. Many people seem to assume that COVID-19 will become a disease for which we vaccinate the whole population perhaps annually or biannually. This will be expensive - and potentially harmful, if the (repeated) vaccinations have negative effects. We do not think vaccination of the whole population is necessary either; in fact, it may be counter-productive for society.

The known endemic human Corona-viruses (HCoV) infect most people before age 15; thereafter people may become re-infected again, but as evidenced by the lack of IgM responses, the response is a recall response (11). These HCoV rarely cause severe disease until the age of immunosenescence and we would never contemplate vaccinating against HCoVs at the population level, even if vaccines existed.

Given that we are so lucky that SARS-CoV2 very rarely cause severe disease in children, the safest and cheapest way forward seems to be to tame SARS-CoV2 to a common childhood disease like other HCoV. This would happen by allowing SARS-CoV2 to infect children, who thereby likely become protected against severe disease well into late adulthood. Importantly, this transition of SARS-CoV2 into a childhood disease would be delayed if there is too little SARS-CoV2 circulating. As noted by others: “Once most adults are vaccinated, circulation of SARS-CoV-2 may in fact be desirable, as it is likely to lead to primary infection early in life when disease is mild, followed by booster re-exposures throughout adulthood … This would keep reinfections mild and immunity up to date”(12).

In conclusion, there are good arguments why not vaccinating children may in fact serve several purposes at the individual as well as at the societal level:
• Not vaccinating children protects children against the potential unknown harms of COVID-19 vaccinations.
• Not vaccinating children gives them the opportunity to develop a broad natural immunity, contributing to herd immunity, and speeding up the transition of SARS-CoV2 into a childhood disease.
The avoided costs of making COVID-19 a vaccine disease, for which we vaccinate the whole population maybe annually or biannually, could be well spend on other health related issues such as smoking, cancer, obesity, and mental health.

References
1. Frenck RW, Jr., Klein NP, Kitchin N, Gurtman A, Absalon J, Lockhart S, et al. Safety, Immunogenicity, and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 Covid-19 Vaccine in Adolescents. N Engl J Med. 2021.
2. Benn CS. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christine-stabell-benn_safety-immunogenic.... LinkedIn post 2021.
3. Benn CS, Fisker AB, Rieckmann A, Sørup S, Aaby P. Vaccinology: time to change the paradigm? Lancet Infect Dis. 2020.
4. Aaby P, Jensen H, Samb B, Cisse B, Sodemann M, Jakobsen M, et al. Differences in female-male mortality after high-titre measles vaccine and association with subsequent vaccination with diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and inactivated poliovirus: reanalysis of West African studies. Lancet. 2003;361(9376):2183-8.
5. Klein SL, Shann F, Moss WJ, Benn CS, Aaby P. RTS,S Malaria Vaccine and Increased Mortality in Girls. MBio. 2016;7(2):e00514-16.
6. Blok BA, de Bree LCJ, Diavatopoulos DA, Langereis JD, Joosten LAB, Aaby P, et al. Interacting, Nonspecific, Immunological Effects of Bacille Calmette-Guerin and Tetanus-diphtheria-pertussis Inactivated Polio Vaccinations: An Explorative, Randomized Trial. Clin Infect Dis. 2020;70(3):455-63.
7. Föhse FK, Geckin B, Overheul GJ, van de Maat J, Kilic G, Bulut O, et al. The BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 reprograms both adaptive and innate immune responses. medRxiv. 2021:2021.05.03.21256520.
8. Doshi P. Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren't designed to tell us. Bmj. 2020;371:m4037.
9. Peacock TP, Penrice-Randal R, Hiscox JA, Barclay WS. SARS-CoV-2 one year on: evidence for ongoing viral adaptation. J Gen Virol. 2021;102(4).
10. Ferretti AP, Kula T, Wang Y, Nguyen DMV, Weinheimer A, Dunlap GS, et al. Unbiased Screens Show CD8(+) T Cells of COVID-19 Patients Recognize Shared Epitopes in SARS-CoV-2 that Largely Reside outside the Spike Protein. Immunity. 2020;53(5):1095-107.e3.
11. Zhou W, Wang W, Wang H, Lu R, Tan W. First infection by all four non-severe acute respiratory syndrome human coronaviruses takes place during childhood. BMC Infect Dis. 2013;13:433.
12. Lavine JS, Bjornstad O, Antia R. Vaccinating children against SARS-CoV-2. BMJ. 2021;373:n1197.

Competing interests: No competing interests

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1687/rr-8

[TSA]

COVID truther lies to Fox News that vaccines are ‘declining in effectiveness very quickly’


https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNDgxNzUzNS9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NDQ2MDE2N30.PBqpCLAvv RvaZrBCloEBxZzdrPE-jn6eG-ZwkVIWmyI/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675

Tucker Carlson :lol

played host to Alex Berenson, :lol

a COVID-19 truther who has consistently pushed falsehoods and wrong predictions (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/) about the pandemic.

During the segment, Berenson falsely cast doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccines at protecting people from the virus.

https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-alex-berenson-vaccines

Israel sees drop in Pfizer vaccine protection against infections

"Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-drop-pfizer-vaccine-protection-against-infections-still-strong-2021-07-05/

[boutons_deux]

"The decline

coincided with the spread of the Delta variant and

the end of social distancing restrictions in Israel.

Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said.

At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus."

G F Y

[ChumpDumper]

TSA is in his "muh research" phase.

[Winehole23]

Israel sees drop in Pfizer vaccine protection against infections

"Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, the Health Ministry said."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-drop-pfizer-vaccine-protection-against-infections-still-strong-2021-07-05/I hear there's an annually distributed jab for the flu, wild stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

I hear there's an annually distributed jab for the flu, wild stuff.There are like 195 countries in the world. When TSA's conspiracy theories about one country get destroyed it's on to the next.

Cyprus.

Israel.

What will be next on TSAnon's World Tour?

[TSA]

I hear there's an annually distributed jab for the flu, wild stuff.

Responding to boutons article, wild stuff.

[boutons_deux]

Pfizer pushing hard for an imminent booster, Capitalism not Science, $Bs profits,

$150 - $175 per one shot vs $39 for Pfizer initial 2-shot

[Thread]

https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/img-1.jpeg

There's the mother fucker!!!

[hater]

I hear there's an annually distributed jab for the flu, wild stuff.

Is it required to go to the groceries?

[Winehole23]

afaik, no

but I don't mind if they do require it. businesses can decide or themselves.

making vaccination expressly a two-tier system might be an effective way to make it socially desirable to most.

[hater]

afaik, no

but I don't mind if they do require it. businesses can decide or themselves.

making vaccination expressly a two-tier system might be an effective way to make it socially desirable to most.

Kinda like the armbands in Germany 193something huh?

[ChumpDumper]

Kinda like the armbands in Germany 193something huh?Actually nothing like that at all.

[hater]

Actually nothing like that at all.

Disagreed.

[ChumpDumper]

Disagreed.Tell us all how it's exactly like that, hater.

Explain fully.

[Winehole23]

Kinda like the armbands in Germany 193something huh?not seeing it, I was talking about businesses trying to protect their patrons and themselves.

[boutons_deux]

J.&J. Vaccine May Be Less Effective Against Delta, Study Suggests

Many who received the shot may need to consider boosters, the authors said.

But federal health officials do not recommend second doses.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html

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Boston Globe email:

Delta variant now makes up 83 percent of cases nationwide