Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[boutons_deux]

States are sitting on millions of surplus Covid-19 vaccine doses as expiration dates approach

doses likely expire this summer

Several state health departments told STAT they have repeatedly asked the federal government to redistribute their supply to other countries, many of which are facing a third wave of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Officials in Washington have rejected those requests, citing legal and logistical challenges.
“We’re drowning in this stuff,”

“It’s starting to get a bit silly and we want to make sure we’re being good stewards.”

Currently, states have administered 52.36 million fewer doses than have been distributed to them,

even a conservative estimate suggests at least half is likely excess vaccine,

That would leave 26.2 million unused doses at the state level —

enough to protect at least 13.1 million people.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/20/states-are-sitting-on-millions-of-surplus-covid-19-vaccine-doses-as-expiration-dates-approach (https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/20/states-are-sitting-on-millions-of-surplus-covid-19-vaccine-doses-as-expiration-dates-approach/?utm_source=STAT+Newsletters&utm_campaign=2dbb547b9a-MR_COPY_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cab1d7961-2dbb547b9a-153269926)

[Winehole23]

Gov. Abbott encouraging vaccination. He ust be worried about something -- his own national aspirations, most likely.

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[Winehole23]

Roundup of nasal vaccine efforts


Our mucosal immune cells make a special class of antibodies that are constantly secreted from the mucous membranes to protect the nose, gut, and other vulnerable sites from pathogens we’ve seen in the past. “But if you don’t stimulate the immune system in the mucosae, you don’t obtain mucosal immune responses,” says Pierre Charneau, head of the Molecular Virology and Vaccinology Unit at the Pasteur Institute.

Yet most research on SARS-CoV-2 and our immune systems has overlooked mucosal immunity in favor of the easier-to-study systemic immunity.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/a-round-up-of-anti-covid-nasal-spray-research.html

[Winehole23]

more time between vaccines may enhance their effectiveness.


The University of Oxford-led study might help inform vaccination strategies against the Delta variant, which reduces the effectiveness of a first dose of the vaccine even though two doses are still protective, and one author said that the UK’s eight-week gap was a “sweet spot” against Delta.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/23/spacing-pfizer-covid-jabs-boosts-antibody-levels-uk-study?sf147968896=1

[SnakeBoy]

Roundup of nasal vaccine efforts


https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/a-round-up-of-anti-covid-nasal-spray-research.html

Odd that the author makes no mention of Covi-Vac. It's a live-attenuated nasal vaccine and the most promising one out there imo.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intranasal-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-191300835.html

[baseline bum]

Gov. Abbott encouraging vaccination. He ust be worried about something -- his own national aspirations, most likely.

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I don't care about his reasons or aspirations, as long as his endorsement encourages some non-trivial percentage of the hesitant right to actually follow through and get vaccinated.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't care about his reasons or aspirations, as long as his endorsement encourages some non-trivial percentage of the hesitant right to actually follow through and get vaccinated.

He's not doing it for aspirations. Just a good Godly man trying to do the job Biden can't get done.

[boutons_deux]

Ivermectin Shows Us the Consequences of Politicized Science

Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine.

Acontingent of Americans has embraced the anti-parasite drug ivermectin (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/column-ivermectin-another-bogus-covid-130504738.html) as a miracle cure for COVID-19 despite warnings from the American scientific community that little to no evidence exists of its efficacy. :lol

At the same time, many Americans have rejected the COVID-19 vaccines in spite of enormous evidence supporting their efficacy. :lol

The persistent trust in ivermectin and hesitancy to take a widely-proven vaccine is

a logical consequence of rejecting American institutions,

and a consequence exacerbated by those who have politicized science.At best, the Egyptian study was poorly performed and partially plagiarized;

at worst, the data were outright fraudulent (https://steamtraen.blogspot.com/2021/07/Some-problems-with-the-data-from-a-Covid-study.html).

The study had faced substantial criticism since its release, and was recently retracted (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns) :lol

by the preprint website where it was published.

minimal evidence supports its use over any random medication in your home medicine cabinet in the fight against COVID-19.

(https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/)https://thebulwark.com/ivermectin-shows-us-the-consequences-of-politicized-science/

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2da290171e0974277d8c598f55cf2af0/tumblr_inline_p7yoo2C3yf1sv49sn_400.gifv

... as strategized by the oligarchy. "Government is the problem"

[pgardn]

I don't care about his reasons or aspirations, as long as his endorsement encourages some non-trivial percentage of the hesitant right to actually follow through and get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated can cause trees to fall on your ass and cripple you for life.

-Governor Derp

[Winehole23]

it's worth pointing out that Israel got access to the Pfizer vaccine a bit sooner than the rest of the world, but also that the Pfizer vaccine is being studied nationwide in real time.


A full course of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was just 39% effective at preventing infections and 41% effective at preventing symptomatic infections caused by the Delta Covid-19 variant, according (https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/reports/vaccine-efficacy-safety-follow-up-committee/he/files_publications_corona_two-dose-vaccination-data.pdf) to Israel’s health ministry, down from early estimates (https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/06/pfizer-shot-much-less-effective-against-delta-israel-study-shows---heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-variants-and-vaccines/?sh=474bbb830712) of 64% two weeks ago.

The figures, based on data from an unspecified number of people between June 20 and July 17, are significantly lower than previous estimates of the vaccine’s efficacy against other variants, which initial clinical trials found (https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/11/18/pfizer-biontech-says-covid-19-vaccine-is-95-effective-will-seek-emergency-approval-within-days/?sh=743ea983441f) to be 95%.

The Israel findings also conflict with several other studies (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v1.full.pdf) assessing (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891) the vaccine’s (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext) performance against the Delta variant, which indicated only slightly diminished degrees of protection against infection and mild illness (between 80% and 90%), including peer reviewed research (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891) from Public Health England published Wednesday.

The vaccine still provides very high levels of protection against hospitalization (92%) and severe illness (91%) caused by the Delta variant, the ministry said.

In a statement (https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2021-07/Delta_Variant_Study_Press_Statement_Final_7.8.21.p df?IPpR1xZjlwvaUMQ9sRn2FkePcBiRPGqw), Pfizer and BioNTech noted that while real-world data from Israel show vaccine efficacy in preventing infection and symptomatic disease to decline six months post-vaccination, “efficacy in preventing serious illnesses remains high.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/

[ChumpDumper]

it's worth pointing out that Israel got access to the Pfizer vaccine a bit sooner than the rest of the world, but also that the Pfizer vaccine is being studied nationwide in real time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/23/pfizer-shot-just-39-effective-against-delta-infection-but-largely-prevents-severe-illness-israel-study-suggests/The 92% and 91% are all I could hope for tbh. Trumptards ruined the chance of herd immunity through vaccines; now we have to wait for them to get sick and/or die.

Oh well.

[RandomGuy]

Kinda like the armbands in Germany 193something huh?

Well, shit, let's invade Russia.

Let them try and step up with det prototype jet... :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Burning your $400,000 salary to pwn the libs and their free vaccines.

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EDIT: There are conflicting reports whether he was actually fired. Some say "negotiations" are ongoing.

[Winehole23]

gargling is cheap and easy to do


One underexplored strategy to better control transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in schools may involve the use of a dilute oral antiseptic gargle or oral rinse. Similar to the two-way protection afforded by masks, treating the mouth with a safe, effective dilute antiseptic can better protect students by reducing spread (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33747261/) and preventing infection (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836691/). The idea is simple. If a child is asymptomatically infected and shedding virus, a before- and after-school oral treatment can potentially diminish the quantity or quality of active virus entering infectious droplets/aerosols making them less infectious. On the other hand, if a child is healthy but exposed to the virus, the treatment might provide (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7453452/) prophylaxis against or at least mitigate infection.https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93731?vpass=1

[SnakeBoy]

gargling is cheap and easy to do

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93731?vpass=1

lol

[boutons_deux]

gargling is cheap and easy to do

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93731?vpass=1

does oral antibiotic work on viruses?

[baseline bum]

Burning your $400,000 salary to pwn the libs and their free vaccines.

1418994392417939458

EDIT: There are conflicting reports whether he was actually fired. Some say "negotiations" are ongoing.

Is he the Dear Leader's brother?

[Winehole23]

loldoes no harm, might help marginally.

not sure what your punch line is.

[Trainwreck2100]

does oral antibiotic work on viruses?

If it contains enough alcohol it would work the same way hand sanitizers do, it would only work on virus particles in the mouth at the time of the gargle though. Its not like you stop shedding virus in between oral treatments though.

[boutons_deux]

Burning your $400,000 salary to pwn the libs and their free vaccines.

1418994392417939458

EDIT: There are conflicting reports whether he was actually fired. Some say "negotiations" are ongoing.

I see there is also dissension in training camps, smart vax'd vs stupid fucks non-vax'd

[SnakeBoy]

does no harm, might help marginally.

not sure what your punch line is.

It's not the first time you've posted mouthwashes or nasal sprays

You like to give Darrin shit for believing ivermectin might be helpful while you promote gargling with disinfectants :lol

[Winehole23]

It's not the first time you've posted mouthwashes or nasal sprays

You like to give Darrin shit for believing ivermectin might be helpful while you promote gargling with disinfectants :lolRepost=/= endorsement. We're talking about it now.


What's your problem with considering treatment options, even marginally effective ones, for people who can't get the vaccine?

[ChumpDumper]

Alcohol actually kills the virus.

Ivermectin?

:lol

[koriwhat]

Repost=/= endorsement. We're talking about it now.


What's your problem with considering treatment options, even marginally effective ones, for people who can't get the vaccine?

I wouldn't doubt you had a problem when Trump was touting HCQ though.

[Winehole23]

Is there some way to discuss and consider "vaccines and treatments" without posting information about them?

Repost =/= advice or conclusion, sometimes it just means something seems interesting to me.

[Winehole23]

Trump says every American can get a coronavirus vaccine by April, but health experts say that's not likely
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/health/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-april-promise-bn/index.html

Off by a monththis aged well

[SnakeBoy]

this aged well


"By April every single American who wants to be vaccinated will have the ability to be vaccinated,"

Off by a month like I said. Unless you're pulling the but what about the children card.

[RandomGuy]

It's a worldwide pandemic. Lots of people unvaccinated elsewhere means a reservoir for mutation and future harm to us.

and... winner.

[RandomGuy]

Off by a month like I said. Unless you're pulling the but what about the children card.

What is Jared Kushner doing to convince people to get the Trump vaccine?

[DarrinS]

Is there some way to discuss and consider "vaccines and treatments" without posting information about them?

Repost =/= advice or conclusion, sometimes it just means something seems interesting to me.


There doesn't seem to be much interest in therapeutics.

CDC advice: Stay home. Call 911 when you can't breathe.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sick.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov% 2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fsteps-when-sick.html

[hater]

There doesn't seem to be much interest in therapeutics.

CDC advice: Stay home. Call 911 when you can't breathe.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sick.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov% 2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fsteps-when-sick.html

Booster semi annual subscriptions to 8 billion humans >>>> $$$$ than cures for a few tens of millions a year that would need them

also governments will not be able to do lockdowns at will and monitoring if we had decent cures

[DarrinS]

Still under investigation by NIH

Other agents have undergone or are currently undergoing investigation in the outpatient setting. For more information, please refer to the sections of the Guidelines that address:

Antiviral agents, such as ivermectin and nitazoxanide
Convalescent plasma
Immunomodulators, such as colchicine and fluvoxamine
Supplements, such as vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc


https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/nonhospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/

[pgardn]

Still under investigation by NIH

Other agents have undergone or are currently undergoing investigation in the outpatient setting. For more information, please refer to the sections of the Guidelines that address:

Antiviral agents, such as ivermectin and nitazoxanide
Convalescent plasma
Immunomodulators, such as colchicine and fluvoxamine
Supplements, such as vitamin C, vitamin D, and zinc


https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/nonhospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/

Viruses are notoriously difficult with therapeutics although we are getting much better.
One major problem is that viral genetic material is injected into YOUR cells making them very difficult to stop completely. So their genetic material can basically hide and wait.
We can get them when they are outside of the cell, but inside is very difficult. The great thing about vaccines is they have a much longer time line of effectiveness. Your body will constantly make cells and antibodies made by cells that attack the virus in multiple stages, even getting at your own cells that are going to "unload" transmissible viral particles by scanning the surface of your own cells and then killing those SPECIFIC cells.
Of course we keep looking for therapeutics, but its a much more difficult problem, look at AIDS, it took a good while to get the therapeutics and antivirals correct and even then I would rather have COVID. No vaccine for AIDS. A huge pain in the ass. You would rather have your own "known" familiar system taking care of things rather than putting weird organic molecules in your body that your body might say, "this is not familiar" fk this thing.

[boutons_deux]

"Eight percent of our DNA consists of remnants of ancient viruses,

and another 40 percent is made up of repetitive strings of genetic letters

that is also thought to have a viral origin."

https://www.cshl.edu/the-non-human-living-inside-of-you/#:~:text=The%20human%20genome%20contains%20billion s,to%20have%20a%20viral%20origin.

[pgardn]

"Eight percent of our DNA consists of remnants of ancient viruses,

and another 40 percent is made up of repetitive strings of genetic letters

that is also thought to have a viral origin."

https://www.cshl.edu/the-non-human-living-inside-of-you/#:~:text=The%20human%20genome%20contains%20billion s,to%20have%20a%20viral%20origin.

Yeah I posted about this, but it did not seem to be impressive.
Viruses to a fantastic job of piggy backing and replicating their own genetic material.

Here is where a reading of the gist of the "Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins is valuable.
He basically called it on what actually might be the fundamental level of selection in natural selection. He also got a lot of things wrong and has basically gone out of his mind imo. But this book is astounding insight because it was written BEFORE we sequenced the human genome and found out about all this strange DNA. And it just keeps getting stranger the further we look into it. Amazing stuff and an amazing read.

[Winehole23]

get the damn shot


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7hMNOdVUAEl3FI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[SnakeBoy]

There doesn't seem to be much interest in therapeutics.

CDC advice: Stay home. Call 911 when you can't breathe.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sick.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov% 2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Fsteps-when-sick.html

There's a new antiviral for covid in phase 3 that reportedly is looking really good. Probably will be hearing about it soon. I can't remember the name off hand. Starts with M, ends with VIR like all antivirals.

[hater]

get the damn shot


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7hMNOdVUAEl3FI?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Add age and health to those #s.or theyre worthless

[SnakeBoy]

There's a new antiviral for covid in phase 3 that reportedly is looking really good. Probably will be hearing about it soon. I can't remember the name off hand. Starts with M, ends with VIR like all antivirals.

Dammit, it's buggin me I can't think of the name. I think it rhymes with a female body part.

[ElNono]

Dammit, it's buggin me I can't think of the name. I think it rhymes with a female body part.

Masturvir?

[baseline bum]

Dammit, it's buggin me I can't think of the name. I think it rhymes with a female body part.

Mulvir

[DarrinS]

Dammit, it's buggin me I can't think of the name. I think it rhymes with a female body part.

Maginavir?

[RandomGuy]

Dammit, it's buggin me I can't think of the name. I think it rhymes with a female body part.

Fallopivir?

[SnakeBoy]

Mulvir

Molnupiravir
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/monulparivir-the-drug-that-completely-stops-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-24-hours/ar-BB1bFDTw

In phase 3, govt has prepurchased 1.7 million courses (not doses) for $1.2B

[SnakeBoy]

Maginavir?

:lol

[Winehole23]

get the jab or pay out the ass for testing, it's a personal choice.

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[DarrinS]

get the jab or pay out the ass for testing, it's a personal choice.

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What do they do for people who have immunity from natural infection?

Why are these people ignored?

[Winehole23]

What do they do for people who have immunity from natural infection?

Why are these people ignored?sorry you're going through this, snowflake :cry

[ChumpDumper]

What do they do for people who have immunity from natural infection?

Why are these people ignored?That's probably among the medical exemptions mentioned.

Unclench, Darrin. Don't try to be a vicarious victim again. It's getting to be pretty pathetic.

[Winehole23]

dumb Darrin dislikes reading

[DarrinS]

dumb Darrin dislikes reading

Its behind a pay wall, you pompous asshole.

[spurraider21]

What do they do for people who have immunity from natural infection?

Why are these people ignored?
They can get vaccinated for no cost

[Winehole23]

Its behind a pay wall, you pompous asshole.You wouldn't have read it if it wasn't paywalled, dumb Darrin. Hurt fee-fees make you yelp like a dog.

[DarrinS]

They can get vaccinated for no cost

They don't need it. Natural immunity is a thing

[spurraider21]

They don't need it. Natural immunity is a thing
Link to study demonstrating that having had covid provides same protection as the vaccines?

[DarrinS]

Link to study demonstrating that having had covid provides same protection as the vaccines?

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

[DarrinS]

Wash your hands. Wash your hands. Wash your hands.


No.


Wash your nose and throat.

[TSA]

Link to study demonstrating that having had covid provides same protection as the vaccines?

Everything I’ve read has said having had Covid provides far superior protection then a vaccine.

[Winehole23]

Do nothing crew sez roll the dice on COVID without protection.

[ChumpDumper]

Do nothing crew sez roll the dice on COVID without protection.They're ready to rail against nonexistent shutdown orders.

:lol Darrin's antivax after getting vaxxed the second he could do it and brag about it.

[DarrinS]

They're ready to rail against nonexistent shutdown orders.

:lol Darrin's antivax after getting vaxxed the second he could do it and brag about it.


I'm not antvax.


I agree with winehole that you can dramatically reduce viral load with gargles and nasopharyngeal cleansing.

[Winehole23]

They're ready to rail against nonexistent shutdown orders.

:lol Darrin's antivax after getting vaxxed the second he could do it and brag about it.We never had a lockdown in the US-- a real cordon sanitaire and quarantine enforced by police.

We just had guidelines and recommendations. The rather minor sacrifice of masking and social distancing was too much for libertarian he-men, even though it was totally optional and unenforced.

[DarrinS]

We never had a lockdown in the US-- a real cordon sanitaire and quarantine enforced by police.

We just had guidelines and recommendations. The rather minor sacrifice of masking and social distancing was too much for libertarian he-men, even though it was totally optional and unenforced.


By the time we realized it was here, it was too late.

[Winehole23]

By the time we realized it was here, it was too late.Our government was incompetent. Others did better with less resources.

[DarrinS]

Our government was incompetent. Others did better with less resources.

Yeah, I suppose.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, I suppose.Trump fucked us hard. Similar is still happening.

[DarrinS]

Trump fucked us hard. Similar is still happening.


Would be awesome if we were a small island instead of the most popular destination.

[Winehole23]

Would be awesome if we were a small island instead of the most popular destination.travel restrictions could fix that, eh?

[DarrinS]

travel restrictions could fix that, eh?

Uh, yeah

[ElNono]

Would be awesome if we were a small island instead of the most popular destination.

It doesn't really matter if the discussion hinges on "how much money companies are losing!?!?!?"

For a long while it certainly looked like it didn't matter how many American lives should be offered to the altar of the fabled economy.

[Winehole23]

It doesn't really matter if the discussion hinges on "how much money companies are losing!?!?!?"

For a long while it certainly looked like it didn't matter how many American lives should be offered to the altar of the fabled economy.Still looks like that, tbh. The "return to normal" narrative is strong:

[ElNono]

Still looks like that, tbh. The "return to normal" narrative is strong:

I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.

[Winehole23]

I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.that public health policy in the US falls to employers is perverse, but it might be the only effective policy at this point.

sad!

[ElNono]

that public health policy in the US falls to employers is perverse, but it might be the only effective policy at this point.

sad!

That's our broken health system, but that existed before COVID. It's wrong and bad, but not new.

[boutons_deux]

I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.

nearly 2/3 of Americans support mandated vax.

If there is ever a mandate, who polices? what's the punishment?

[Blake]

gargling is cheap and easy to do

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93731?vpass=1

I had a science teacher in high school day to do that whenever you feel a scratchy throat come on. I've done it ever since and it seems like it's worked for me on many occasions

[spurraider21]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
Thanks.

wonder if there’s data for people like yourself who had covid and also vaccinated

[Winehole23]

"Get the shot, people" -- Donald Trump



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7zupEiWEAUQ0P6?format=jpg&name=900x900

[SnakeBoy]

"Get the shot, people" -- Donald Trump


"I'm not taking it" -- Kamala Harris

[pgardn]

Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/entertainment/kamala-harris-brandy-monica-verzuz-trnd/index.html) said that President Donald Trump’s (https://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/president-donald-trump-45) word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough.

Do you blame her snake "just around the corner hoax?"

[pgardn]

Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/entertainment/kamala-harris-brandy-monica-verzuz-trnd/index.html) said that President Donald Trump’s (https://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/president-donald-trump-45) word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough.

Do you blame her snake "just around the corner hoax?"

[Winehole23]

"I'm not taking it" -- Kamala HarrisKamala Harris 100% got the jab.

[boutons_deux]

Oligopolistic DISASTER CAPITALISM at its finest

Insulated From Patent Waivers, Pfizer and Moderna Hike Vaccine Prices

In its new supply contract with the E.U.,

Pfizer named a price of more than $23 per dose, up nearly 25% from about $18 on earlier purchases.

Moderna said in its latest agreement that its mRNA vaccine will cost one-tenth more than its previous price, charging $25.50 per dose.

0.3% of doses have been administered in low-income countries,

leading public health experts to warn that Covid-19 will continue to mutate and dangerous,

highly infectious variants like Delta will continue to emerge and spread throughout the world.

The companies are raising their prices "just in time for the Delta variant,"

Pfizer and Moderna used the "usual pharma rhetoric" in discussing the price hikes.

"Vaccines work so they increased the 'value,'"

Pfizer's sales are now expected to reach $56 billion and

Moderna's are expected to reach $30 billion.

"Our governments are complicit in this heist by pharma and companies across the board in other sectors,"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/08/02/insulated-patent-waivers-pfizer-and-moderna-hike-vaccine-prices

Pfizer exec said they will later be charging $150 - $200 / dose, their habitual price for vaccine

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

[Thanos]

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1422663943693160449?s=21

[Winehole23]

broader vaccine mandates coming

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[baseline bum]

broader vaccine mandates coming

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There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.

[Winehole23]

There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.Warp Speed bad now

[Ef-man]

broader vaccine mandates coming

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Expect to scare ducks as "broader" is similar in spelling to "boarder" and he will contact his governor to protest this racist mandate from President Biden.

[SnakeBoy]

There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.

It pisses me off that they are rushing full approval thinking it will appease the antivaxxers. It might make things worse because right now the antivaxxers are spreading a lie that the vaccines are experimental because of the EUA. Instead they will be telling the truth that the FDA rushed full approval. No way they can thoroughly complete all the tedious steps required for full approval by next month without cutting corners. Ridiculous that these idiots keep thinking if they just say or do the right thing that Robert Kennedy is going to have a eureka moment and say vaccines are good.

[boutons_deux]

Flu Shot Protects Against Severe Effects Of COVID-19

the flu vaccine may provide vital protection against COVID-19.

the annual flu shot reduces the risks of stroke, sepsis, and DVT in patients with COVID-19.

Patients with COVID-19 who had been vaccinated against the flu were also significantly less likely to visit the emergency department and be admitted to the intensive care unit.

my team has been able to observe an association between the flu vaccine and reduced morbidity in COVID-19 patients.”

The analysis revealed that those who had not had the flu shot were significantly more likely (up to 20% more likely) to have been admitted to the ICU.

They were also significantly more likely to visit the emergency department (up to 58% more likely),

to develop sepsis (up to 45% more likely),

to have a stroke (up to 58% more likely) and

a DVT (up to 40% more likely).

The risk of death was not reduced.

https://scienceblog.com/524550/flu-shot-protects-against-severe-effects-of-covid-19

[baseline bum]

It pisses me off that they are rushing full approval thinking it will appease the antivaxxers. It might make things worse because right now the antivaxxers are spreading a lie that the vaccines are experimental because of the EUA. Instead they will be telling the truth that the FDA rushed full approval. No way they can thoroughly complete all the tedious steps required for full approval by next month without cutting corners. Ridiculous that these idiots keep thinking if they just say or do the right thing that Robert Kennedy is going to have a eureka moment and say vaccines are good.

LOL there is nothing they can do to get the antivaxxers on board. Can't imagine someone rather rolling the dice on the long term health impacts of COVID on a naive immune system over the so far pretty rare side effects of the vaccines.

[Winehole23]

Novavax does deal with EU, vaccine not yet approved:


A total of 15,187 participants underwent randomization, and 14,039 were included in the per-protocol efficacy population. Of the participants, 27.9% were 65 years of age or older, and 44.6% had coexisting illnesses. Infections were reported in 10 participants in the vaccine group and in 96 in the placebo group, with a symptom onset of at least 7 days after the second injection, for a vaccine efficacy of 89.7% (95% confidence interval [CI], 80.2 to 94.6). No hospitalizations or deaths were reported among the 10 cases in the vaccine group. Five cases of severe infection were reported, all of which were in the placebo group. A post hoc analysis showed an efficacy of 86.3% (95% CI, 71.3 to 93.5) against the B.1.1.7 (or alpha) variant and 96.4% (95% CI, 73.8 to 99.5) against non-B.1.1.7 variants. Reactogenicity was generally mild and transient. The incidence of serious adverse events was low and similar in the two groups.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107659


The Novavax COVID-19 vaccine contains a protein (made using moth cells) plus an adjuvant (made from tree bark). An adjuvant is an ingredient added to boost a person's immune response, creating higher levels of antibodies.


The Novavax vaccine uses a telltale piece of the coronavirus: the notorious spike protein. All alone, the spike protein is harmless and can't cause COVID-19. When your immune system encounters the lonely spike protein, it produces antibodies against it. This gives you protection against future COVID-19 infection.


"Unlike mRNA vaccines, the spike protein is already premade in the Novavax vaccine. It's a shortcut," explains Dr. Florescu. "All the synthesis happens outside the body and we just give the end product: the spike protein."


Like other COVID-19 vaccines, Novavax does not cause COVID-19 infection. It can't get you sick. This vaccine doesn't contain either live or inactivated virus.


How did they get the spike protein?


The Novavax method uses moth cells to make spike proteins:




Researchers select the desired genes that create certain SARS-CoV-2 antigens (spike protein).
Researchers put the genes into a baculovirus, an insect virus.
The baculovirus infects moth cells and replicates inside them.
These moth cells create lots of spike proteins.
Researchers extract and purify the spike proteins.


"The Novavax vaccine has no genetic material, only proteins," says Dr. Florescu. "The vaccine technology is more traditional, and it's very similar to a protein-based influenza vaccine."


Influenza vaccines have also used this moth cell factory method (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150248/).

What does the adjuvant (soapbark tree extract) do?


Adjuvants increase the immune response to a vaccine. In this vaccine, soapbark tree extract adjuvant makes achieving immunity possible with a smaller dose of the spike protein.


Matrix-M is the adjuvant used by Novavax. It is based on a saponin extracted from the soapbark tree (Quillaja saponaria). The soapbark extract encourages immune cells to activate, generating a more potent immune response.


Saponins are found naturally in various plant species like beans and green peas. They're used in agriculture, animal feeds, veterinary vaccines and human food. Saponins can boost immune responses to proteins. Using the Matrix-M adjuvant, a smaller dose of spike protein achieves the desired immune response.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/moths-and-tree-bark-how-the-novavax-vaccine-works

[boutons_deux]

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug confirmed the results of Phase I,

which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw some

29 out of 30 patients moderate to serious recover within days.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961

[spurraider21]

:lmao

aged like milk

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/659503822499241985

[DarrinS]

Fauci describing something that already exists



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkMhqswIc20

[koriwhat]

I don't know why anyone listens to that scumbag Fauci any longer... That dude has always been a hack "doctor".

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Darrin still on his Ivermectin kick?

[Thread]

I don't know why anyone listens to that scumbag Fauci any longer... That dude has always been a hack "doctor".

Tell it, kori.

Testify!!!

[spurraider21]

:lol Darrin still on his Ivermectin kick?
just take zinc and vitamin d!

[weebo]

"A Texas Republican leader who was hospitalized with COVID-19 died Wednesday, just days after he shared a post on social media questioning the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccine.

The Galveston County Republican Party said in a Facebook post Wednesday morning that Scott Apley, a member of the State Republican Executive Committee and Dickinson City Council, had died.

While the party did not specify the cause of death, a GoFundMe page that had been set up for Apley and his family said he was admitted to a hospital Sunday with “pneumonia-like symptoms and tested positive for COVID.” "

another one owns the libs ....

[koriwhat]

"A Texas Republican leader who was hospitalized with COVID-19 died Wednesday, just days after he shared a post on social media questioning the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccine.

The Galveston County Republican Party said in a Facebook post Wednesday morning that Scott Apley, a member of the State Republican Executive Committee and Dickinson City Council, had died.

While the party did not specify the cause of death, a GoFundMe page that had been set up for Apley and his family said he was admitted to a hospital Sunday with “pneumonia-like symptoms and tested positive for COVID.” "

another one owns the libs ....

Doesn't help that he was obese. Like 300lbs-400lbs obese that is.

[weebo]

Doesn't help that he was obese.

so fat lives don't matter? that's like 75% of the gop...

[koriwhat]

so fat lives don't matter? that's like 75% of the gop...

And this is why I don't take you and others seriously and don't care for actual discussion with yall because yall truly don't care for actual discussion in the first place.

[weebo]

And this is why I don't take you and others seriously and don't care for actual discussion with yall because yall truly don't care for actual discussion in the first place.

so is he death a tragedy or deserved?

[koriwhat]

so is he death a tragedy or deserved?

Every death is a tragedy so why are you trying to make this into a "gotcha" moment Weebs? The dude didn't help himself by being so overweight and God knows what other comorbidities he had. He didn't deserve to die because of a post on FB either nor does he deserve to be laughed at after the fact. You and others are so on board with the establishment you can't even see that you've made enemies out of those who aren't exactly like you or think like you but are still human just like you. Enemies out of those who probably would never wish harm on you.

With that said though, here you are trying to troll me while also trying to look like you actually give a damn about that guy in the first place, his health, etc. You're probably celebrating another guy dead who doesn't subscribe to your political ideology you tribalist.

[weebo]

Every death is a tragedy so why are you trying to make this into a "gotcha" moment Weebs? The dude didn't help himself by being so overweight and God knows what other comorbidities he had. He didn't deserve to die because of a post on FB either nor does he deserve to be laughed at after the fact. You and others are so on board with the establishment you can't even see that you've made enemies out of those who aren't exactly like you or think like you but are still human just like you. Enemies out of those who probably would never wish harm on you.

With that said though, here you are trying to troll me while also trying to look like you actually give a damn about that guy in the first place, his health, etc. You're probably celebrating another guy dead who doesn't subscribe to your political ideology you tribalist.

So you agree, given his weight and possible underlying co morbidities (hypertension, DM , etc if not already diagnosed), he should have been vaccinated.

[koriwhat]

So you agree, given his weight and possible underlying co morbidities (hypertension, DM , etc if not already diagnosed), he should have been vaccinated.

He should've thought more about his health, diet, and physical well being way before the China Virus reared its ugly head. Do you not agree? :lmao

[weebo]

He should've thought more about his health, diet, and physical well being way before the China Virus reared its ugly head. Do you not agree? :lmao

Yes I agree... and given his unhealthy lifestyle and the obesity he was at high risk for severe illness...so he should have taken the vaccine. Do you agree?

[pgardn]

I don't know why anyone listens to that scumbag Fauci any longer... That dude has always been a hack "doctor".

Because he understands viruses.

Because he understands science.

YOu call him a hack and have not a clue...
Does Fauci tell you how to first draw your tattoos on fat people?
YOu should stick to stuff you actually understand.

But then again, if you have to be shown how little you know about this, you will THEN not give a fck.

[koriwhat]

Yes I agree... and given his unhealthy lifestyle and the obesity he was at high risk for severe illness...so he should have taken the vaccine. Do you agree?

You think this whole thing is so black & white don't you? :lol

We don't know his health as far as his records indicate and thus we don't know if he was one of the few who shouldn't get the whackcine(s) based on other issues like allergies etc.

He should've done more before it was too late and it looks like it's been too late for him for a long while now even longer than the China Virus has been around. He was walking the line of death for some time now. His wife better wake up and turn her lifestyle around asap!

[koriwhat]

Because he understands viruses.

Because he understands science.


:lol

You are of the cult of Fauci bro; we get it. He's a false prophet but by all means keep kissing his feet and serve your master(s)!

[pgardn]

:lol

You are of the cult of Fauci bro; we get it. He's a false prophet but by all means keep kissing his feet and serve your master(s)!

Why do you think he is a prophet?

He is an established scientist in virology. He was absolutely genius in his work on AIDS. He does exactly what a scientist in his position should do. He establishes a protocol when he thinks the data is indicating a certain pattern. Are you aware how little we knew about the virus when we first started studying it? Do you understand as we understand the virus better, recommendations change?

BTW. Scientists who are competent and disagree on data and recommendations talk it out. This is the way it should be done. You have a problem with having a number of experts looking at data and discussing what to do and why they are reasoning the way they are?

[pgardn]

What have you personally read that makes you think Fauci is a false prophet?

Or you just know, in your head?

[koriwhat]

Why do you think he is a prophet?

He is an established scientist in virology. He was absolutely genius in his work on AIDS. He does exactly what a scientist in his position should do. He establishes a protocol when he thinks the data is indicating a certain pattern. Are you aware how little we knew about the virus when we first started studying it? Do you understand as we understand the virus better, recommendations change?

:lmao

[koriwhat]

What have you personally read that makes you think Fauci is a false prophet?

Or you just know, in your head?

I've watched that dude for 2 yrs now... He flounders time and time again in hours long sessions on the hill, trips over his lies, yet you want me to trust him. I trust him as much as I would've trusted Goebbels; both deserve the same fate.

[pgardn]

:lmao

So tell me about his work with AIDS that makes you laugh since you apparently know enough to laugh.
Dont be a fake. What have you read about Fauci and his work with AIDS.

[weebo]

You think this whole thing is so black & white don't you? :lol

We don't know his health as far as his records indicate and thus we don't know if he was one of the few who shouldn't get the whackcine(s) based on other issues like allergies etc.

He should've done more before it was too late and it looks like it's been too late for him for a long while now even longer than the China Virus has been around. He was walking the line of death for some time now. His wife better wake up and turn her lifestyle around asap!

I read the article...no mention of a history anaphylaxis...just your run of the mill anti vaxxer/trumptard


so you agree given his poor lifestyle and level of fitness he should have been vaxx'd...good to see we agree

[pgardn]

I've watched that dude for 2 yrs now... He flounders time and time again in hours long sessions on the hill, trips over his lies, yet you want me to trust him. I trust him as much as I would've trusted Goebbels; both deserve the same fate.

YOu watched him?
What has he lied about that you WATCHED?

What you still dont get is our knowledge about this virus has had a timeline.
At first we know very little. Then we learn more. As we learn more models about viral transmission and symptoms change and so recommendations change.
Do you understand this? Or you just make it simple and call this lying?

[Dirks_Finale]

Doesn't help that he was obese. Like 300lbs-400lbs obese that is.

Right - and to pivot a bit... folks like this are choosing a unhealthy lifestyle. They did so for many years prior to covid. So don't expect the whole country to protect them now (they suddenly care about health?) by suffocating on masks for the next 10 years. Just not practical.

This guy and many like him can/could get the vax and/or wear n95. Fauci and the CDC can piss off now.

[koriwhat]

So tell me about his work with AIDS that makes you laugh since you apparently know enough to laugh.
Dont be a fake. What have you read about Fauci and his work with AIDS.

I read a few things like wasting time in the beginning of that epidemic, pushing certain drugs that weren't tested for that epidemic and lives lost due to that(:lol I know where you're going to go with this one), as well as protests detesting Fauci in the very demographic he supposedly was trying to "help" get through the epidemic.

Other than that I am not going to read more about his history because I've seen enough of his bumbling on the news and the hill, the last 2 yrs, to see he's a fraud and talks out both sides of his mouth.

[koriwhat]

so you agree given his poor lifestyle and level of fitness he should have been vaxx'd...good to see we agree

Nah, I think he should've thought about his health many moons ago and took action. You think you're going to get me to all of a sudden believe in these bullshit vaccine(s) just because this dude chose to be so damn obese? :lol

[pgardn]

I read a few things like wasting time in the beginning of that epidemic, pushing certain drugs that weren't tested for that epidemic and lives lost due to that(:lol I know where you're going to go with this one), as well as protests detesting Fauci in the very demographic he supposedly was trying to "help" get through the epidemic.

Other than that I am not going to read more about his history because I've seen enough of his bumbling on the news and the hill, the last 2 yrs, to see he's a fraud and talks out both sides of his mouth.

He is much older. He is not a vibrant speaker, most scientists dont practice the craft like politicians.
But YOU saying you listened to him and have not a fkn clue about his credentials is absolutely stupid.
Its like Fauci coming into your place of business and claiming you dont know what the fck you are doing.

You repeat and distort the red team line. You say you dont, and you might not mean to, but you do.
Fauci and the rest, even me I guess are all commies and incompetent. And you dont have a clue.
Luckily you dont have to lead in anything, or take criticism from people who dont know wtf they are talking about concerning tattoos.

[koriwhat]

But YOU saying you listened to him and have not a fkn clue about his credentials is absolutely stupid.

I didn't just listen; I watched him flounder on the hill many times now. A man who is confident doesn't get shook like he does so often. He's a fraud no matter how many times you try place him on a pedestal.

[koriwhat]

.

[pgardn]

I didn't just listen; I watched him flounder on the hill many times now. A man who is confident doesn't get shook like he does so often. He's a fraud no matter how many times you try place him on a pedestal.

He is a fraud because YOU say he flounders. He is old. His speech will not be good just like Trump and Biden. Anyone who is asked to talk while being taped WILL make mistakes. You would like me to present Trump as a fraud because he Flounders? There are litterally hundreds of tapes of Trump making all kinds of speech errors and FLoundering. Do you consider all our leaders frauds because they flounder, because if they are on TV etc... enough they will make mistakes. So would you and I.

What specifically makes you sure Fauci is a fraud. And I assume you know the definition. Because it IS not his background. It is NOT his work with AIDS that for some reason you found... funny? Why?

[koriwhat]

He is a fraud because YOU say he flounders. He is old. His speech will not be good just like Trump and Biden. Anyone who is asked to talk while being taped WILL make mistakes. You would like me to present Trump as a fraud because he Flounders? There are litterally hundreds of tapes of Trump making all kinds of speech errors and FLoundering. Do you consider all our leaders frauds because they flounder, because if they are on TV etc... enough they will make mistakes. So would you and I.

What specifically makes you sure Fauci is a fraud. And I assume you know the definition. Because it IS not his background. It is NOT his work with AIDS that for some reason you found... funny? Why?

Let's leave it at this because we're never going to agree. You think Fauci is righteous & I think he deserves to be on his knees facing the wall.

[pgardn]

Let's leave it at this because we're never going to agree. You think Fauci is righteous & I think he deserves to be on his knees facing the wall.

I think Fauci is a very good virologist and a very good scientist but he is old.
He is not a politician, so he is not a confident liar. Im glad he is a PART of the team.

You think Fauci flounders... and is not confident.

You laugh at his work on AIDS for... I just have no ideas... ok done.

[Thread]

I think Fauci is a very good virologist and a very good scientist but he is old.
He is not a politician, so he is not a confident liar. Im glad he is a PART of the team.

You think Fauci flounders... and is not confident.

You laugh at his work on AIDS for... I just have no ideas... ok done.

The hell he ain't, peeg. He's a SOB of a politician.

I'd indict him for it. That bastard claimed (in the circa) that only 35% of HIV infected would eventually develop AIDs. He knew that was a lie.

[pgardn]

The hell he ain't, peeg. He's a SOB of a politician.

I'd indict him for it. That bastard claimed (in the circa) that only 35% of HIV infected would eventually develop AIDs. He knew that was a lie.

Thats incorrect. He absolutely did not know it was a lie. There were some other things that were big learning surprises for him. There is a whole lot of literature on this. You are incorrect in the worst manner. He did a fantastic job. Fauci himself has been the one the criticize himself on what he thought he might pick up on, but did not until later.

[Thread]

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[Winehole23]

According to the article, Codagenix and Astro-Zeneca look to be able to bring their intranasal vaccines to market soonest, if proven effecive and safe. The linked piece is another roundup and has clear explanations. The intuitive appeal of intranasal vaccines is the possibility they can stimulate both mucosal and systemic immunity.


Charneau and a group of scientists in Paris have shown that natural SARS-CoV-2 infections trigger both systemic and mucosal immunity (https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/13/577/eabd2223). But our current crop of COVID-19 vaccines offer only systemic protection.

https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/Intranasal-nose-vaccines-stop-COVID/99/i21

[Winehole23]

vaccine mandates aren't new

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[spurraider21]

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[lefty]

vaccine mandates aren't new

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Troof nukes

[Winehole23]

police action to enforce vaccination was hardly unheard of in the 20th century

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[Winehole23]

Historian Michael Willrich was planning to write a book about civil liberties in the aftermath of Sept. 11 when he stumbled across an article from The New York Times archives. It was about a 1901 smallpox vaccination raid in New York — when 250 men arrived at a Little Italy tenement house in the middle of the night and set about vaccinating everyone they could find.


"There were scenes of policemen holding down men in their night robes while vaccinators began their work on their arms," Willrich tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "Inspectors were going room to room looking for children with smallpox. And when they found them, they were literally tearing babes from their mothers' arms to take them to the city pesthouse [which housed smallpox victims.]"


The vaccination raid was not an isolated incident. As the smallpox epidemic swept across the country, New York and Boston policemen conducted several raids and health officials across the country ordered mandatory vaccinations in schools, factories and on railroads. In Pox: An American History, Willrich details how the smallpox epidemic of 1898-1904 had far-reaching implications for public health officials — as well as Americans concerned about their own civil liberties.


"110 years ago, vaccination was compelled by the state," he says. "But there no effort taken by the government to ensure that vaccines on the market were safe and effective. We live in a very different environment today where there are extensive regulations governing the entire vaccine industry."
https://www.npr.org/2011/04/05/135121451/how-the-pox-epidemic-changed-vaccination-rules

[DarrinS]

Yeah, we aren't going to vaccinate by force. GTFOH with that. :lol

[pgardn]

Yeah, we aren't going to vaccinate by force. GTFOH with that. :lol

No.
But businesses and schools might fire you or not let you in.
Its just not good for the nation as a whole that we cant get enough people vaccinated and had to go through a critical wave now involving young people.

(This is all just another tough lesson in which we will lose more prosperity and make people poorer as a nation because we are a democracy that will allow disinformation to travel. And we clearly have a significant portion of the population who just dont understand the immune system and viruses. Maybe Texas could put this is for Biology in the curriculum. Maybe Governor Abbott would work on the teaching of how to take care of your body and others at the same time... nope... He does not even want the amendments to the constitution taught. I wonder what would happen if he decided to get rid of the teaching of the 2nd amendment.)

Again, too bad this virus did mark up the face like small pox along with the respiratory symptoms. We would have had people lined up. Pleading... to be oh god... vaccinated!

[Winehole23]

Yeah, we aren't going to vaccinate by force. GTFOH with that. :lolit wasn't a recommendation, just giving US history context for anti-mandate snowflakes.

[boutons_deux]

Cholesterol Drug Could Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Infection By Up To 70%

fenofibrate and its active form (fenofibric acid) can significantly reduce SARS-COV-2 infection in human cells in the laboratory.

https://scienceblog.com/524616/cholesterol-drug-could-reduce-sars-cov-2-infection-by-up-to-70

[TSA]

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug saw some 29 out of 30 patients, moderate to serious, recover within days.

Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer.
The Phase II trial confirmed the results of Phase I, which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw 29 out of 30 patients in moderate to serious condition recover within days.
“The main goal of this study was to verify that the drug is safe,” Prof. Nadir Arber said. “To this day we have not registered any significant side effect in any patient from both groups.”
The trial was conducted in Athens because Israel did not have enough relevant patients. The principal investigator was Greece’s coronavirus commissioner, Prof. Sotiris Tsiodras.

Arber and his team, including Dr. Shiran Shapira, developed the drug based on a molecule that the professor has been studying for 25 years called CD24, which is naturally present in the body.
“It is important to remember that 19 out of 20 COVID-19 patients do not need any therapy,” Arber said. “After a window of five to 12 days, some 5% of the patients start to deteriorate.”
The main cause of the clinical deterioration is an over activation of the immune system, also known as a cytokine storm. In case of COVID-19 patients, the system starts attacking healthy cells in the lungs.
“This is exactly the problem that our drug targets,” he said.
CD24 is a small protein that is anchored to the membrane of the cells and it serves many functions including regulating the mechanism responsible for the cytokine storm.
Arber stressed that their treatment, EXO-CD24, does not affect the immune system as a whole, but only targets this specific mechanism, helping find again its correct balance.
“This is precision medicine,” he said. “We are very happy that we have found a tool to tackle the physiology of the disease.”
“Steroids for example shut down the entire immune system,” he further explained. “We are balancing the part responsible for the cytokine storms using the endogenous mechanism of the body, meaning tools offered by the body itself.”
Arber noted that another breakthrough element of this treatment is its delivery.
“We are employing exosomes, very small vesicles derived from the membrane of the cells which are responsible for the exchange of information between them,” he said.
“By managing to deliver them exactly where they are needed, we avoid many side effects,” he added.
The team is now ready to launch the last phase of the study.
“As promising as the findings of the first phases of a treatment can be, no one can be sure of anything until results are compared to the ones of patients who receive a placebo,” he said.
Some 155 coronavirus patients will take part in the study. Two-thirds of them will be administered the drug, and one-third a placebo.
The study will be conducted in Israel and it might be also carried out in other places if the number of patients in the country will not suffice.
“We hope to complete it by the end of the year,” Arber said.
If the results are confirmed, he vowed that the treatment can be made available relatively quickly and at a low cost.
“In addition, a success could pave the wave to treat many other diseases,” he concluded.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961

[Winehole23]

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug saw some 29 out of 30 patients, moderate to serious, recover within days.

Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer.
The Phase II trial confirmed the results of Phase I, which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw 29 out of 30 patients in moderate to serious condition recover within days.
“The main goal of this study was to verify that the drug is safe,” Prof. Nadir Arber said. “To this day we have not registered any significant side effect in any patient from both groups.”
The trial was conducted in Athens because Israel did not have enough relevant patients. The principal investigator was Greece’s coronavirus commissioner, Prof. Sotiris Tsiodras.

Arber and his team, including Dr. Shiran Shapira, developed the drug based on a molecule that the professor has been studying for 25 years called CD24, which is naturally present in the body.
“It is important to remember that 19 out of 20 COVID-19 patients do not need any therapy,” Arber said. “After a window of five to 12 days, some 5% of the patients start to deteriorate.”
The main cause of the clinical deterioration is an over activation of the immune system, also known as a cytokine storm. In case of COVID-19 patients, the system starts attacking healthy cells in the lungs.
“This is exactly the problem that our drug targets,” he said.
CD24 is a small protein that is anchored to the membrane of the cells and it serves many functions including regulating the mechanism responsible for the cytokine storm.
Arber stressed that their treatment, EXO-CD24, does not affect the immune system as a whole, but only targets this specific mechanism, helping find again its correct balance.
“This is precision medicine,” he said. “We are very happy that we have found a tool to tackle the physiology of the disease.”
“Steroids for example shut down the entire immune system,” he further explained. “We are balancing the part responsible for the cytokine storms using the endogenous mechanism of the body, meaning tools offered by the body itself.”
Arber noted that another breakthrough element of this treatment is its delivery.
“We are employing exosomes, very small vesicles derived from the membrane of the cells which are responsible for the exchange of information between them,” he said.
“By managing to deliver them exactly where they are needed, we avoid many side effects,” he added.
The team is now ready to launch the last phase of the study.
“As promising as the findings of the first phases of a treatment can be, no one can be sure of anything until results are compared to the ones of patients who receive a placebo,” he said.
Some 155 coronavirus patients will take part in the study. Two-thirds of them will be administered the drug, and one-third a placebo.
The study will be conducted in Israel and it might be also carried out in other places if the number of patients in the country will not suffice.
“We hope to complete it by the end of the year,” Arber said.
If the results are confirmed, he vowed that the treatment can be made available relatively quickly and at a low cost.
“In addition, a success could pave the wave to treat many other diseases,” he concluded.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961:tu

[boutons_deux]

:tu

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286223&p=10574269&viewfull=1#post10574269

[spurraider21]

nice :tu

looking forward to the double blind test

[koriwhat]

Thats incorrect. He absolutely did not know it was a lie. There were some other things that were big learning surprises for him. There is a whole lot of literature on this. You are incorrect in the worst manner. He did a fantastic job. Fauci himself has been the one the criticize himself on what he thought he might pick up on, but did not until later.

You say this as if the man isn't a known liar... :lmao

His FOAI emails recently paint a different story about Fauci and his coverups. Fauci is a POS!

[koriwhat]

This is all just another tough lesson in which we will lose more prosperity and make people poorer as a nation because we are a democracy that will allow disinformation to travel.

Constitutional Republic!

[spurraider21]

Constitutional Republic!
democracy and republic arent mutually exclusive

tell me, how do the representatives get into office?

[Winehole23]

democracy and republic arent mutually exclusive

tell me, how do the representatives get into office?cool thread on the right wing "we're not a democracy" mantra

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[Winehole23]

J&J solid aginst Delta in large, real world trial



In the trial, called Sisonke (http://sisonkestudy.samrc.ac.za/), the researchers evaluated one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in nearly 500,000 health care workers, who are at high risk of Covid-19. The vaccine has an efficacy of up to 95 percent against death from the Delta variant, and up to 71 percent against hospitalization, the researchers reported.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/science/johnson-delta-vaccine-booster.html

[Winehole23]

Another factor to weigh against the risk of vaccination: 3x-6x increased risk of myocardial infarction and stroke for patients infected with COVID-19.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00896-5/fulltext

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8JwGrpVcAAMBMP?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

this

population-level public health shouldn't be a private responsibility

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[Frenchfred]

COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug saw some 29 out of 30 patients, moderate to serious, recover within days.

Some 93% of 90 coronavirus serious patients treated in several Greek hospitals with a new drug developed by a team at Tel Aviv’s Sourasky Medical Center as part of the Phase II trial of the treatment were discharged in five days or fewer.
The Phase II trial confirmed the results of Phase I, which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw 29 out of 30 patients in moderate to serious condition recover within days.
“The main goal of this study was to verify that the drug is safe,” Prof. Nadir Arber said. “To this day we have not registered any significant side effect in any patient from both groups.”
The trial was conducted in Athens because Israel did not have enough relevant patients. The principal investigator was Greece’s coronavirus commissioner, Prof. Sotiris Tsiodras.

Arber and his team, including Dr. Shiran Shapira, developed the drug based on a molecule that the professor has been studying for 25 years called CD24, which is naturally present in the body.
“It is important to remember that 19 out of 20 COVID-19 patients do not need any therapy,” Arber said. “After a window of five to 12 days, some 5% of the patients start to deteriorate.”
The main cause of the clinical deterioration is an over activation of the immune system, also known as a cytokine storm. In case of COVID-19 patients, the system starts attacking healthy cells in the lungs.
“This is exactly the problem that our drug targets,” he said.
CD24 is a small protein that is anchored to the membrane of the cells and it serves many functions including regulating the mechanism responsible for the cytokine storm.
Arber stressed that their treatment, EXO-CD24, does not affect the immune system as a whole, but only targets this specific mechanism, helping find again its correct balance.
“This is precision medicine,” he said. “We are very happy that we have found a tool to tackle the physiology of the disease.”
“Steroids for example shut down the entire immune system,” he further explained. “We are balancing the part responsible for the cytokine storms using the endogenous mechanism of the body, meaning tools offered by the body itself.”
Arber noted that another breakthrough element of this treatment is its delivery.
“We are employing exosomes, very small vesicles derived from the membrane of the cells which are responsible for the exchange of information between them,” he said.
“By managing to deliver them exactly where they are needed, we avoid many side effects,” he added.
The team is now ready to launch the last phase of the study.
“As promising as the findings of the first phases of a treatment can be, no one can be sure of anything until results are compared to the ones of patients who receive a placebo,” he said.
Some 155 coronavirus patients will take part in the study. Two-thirds of them will be administered the drug, and one-third a placebo.
The study will be conducted in Israel and it might be also carried out in other places if the number of patients in the country will not suffice.
“We hope to complete it by the end of the year,” Arber said.
If the results are confirmed, he vowed that the treatment can be made available relatively quickly and at a low cost.
“In addition, a success could pave the wave to treat many other diseases,” he concluded.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961

[sarcasm on] I don't want to take it because I don't know what's in it [sarcasm off]

[Thread]

[sarcasm on] I don't want to take it because I don't know what's in it [sarcasm off]

Nazi's!!!

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

tantalizing familiar graphic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8R-cYGXEAoIAMW?format=jpg&name=small

[koriwhat]

tantalizing familiar graphic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8R-cYGXEAoIAMW?format=jpg&name=small

You're only familiar with it because you love the enemy of the people tbh. You're a gullible progressive retard.

[pgardn]

You're only familiar with it because you love the enemy of the people tbh. You're a gullible progressive retard.

Finally...
Now this sounds exactly like a commie.
You refer to this all the time and you finally break the line and go all in.
You dont like the idea of a democracy? where individuals vote? why not?

So communistic.

[spurraider21]

tantalizing familiar graphic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8R-cYGXEAoIAMW?format=jpg&name=small
tbh this is the best evidence to date that trump actually won georgia, arizona, nevada

[pgardn]

tantalizing familiar graphic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8R-cYGXEAoIAMW?format=jpg&name=small

So colored states have the highest % of dumbfks?

[Winehole23]

is vaccine immunity waning?

a rah rah pro-vaccine guy like Eric Topol (who also is privy to all the Scripps Research data (https://www.scripps.edu/faculty/topol/)) wondering out loud about it does not tend to inspire confidence.

1424386175633133571

1424386487139946504

1424386726139764737?

[Winehole23]

"There may be something to this waning immunity story. It’s fuzzy, but the people who are getting hit are more apt to be people who were vaccinated very early."

[Winehole23]

More robust testing/tracing could possibly illuminate, but we still don't have that in the US. People who were vaccinated early are older and have less robust immune systems to begin with.

Could be that the short term hospitalization picture is driven by the combination of contagiousness and the large number of unimmunized, or that the data is too noisy to draw good inferences therefrom. Topol's characterization of the severity of breakthrough infections certainly seems more anecdotal than well-considered. I wonder why Dr. Topol sat for this interview to vent worry about vaccine immunity. Seems careless or irresponsible if not backed up by something.

OTOH, what is science if not the art of drawing adequate conclusions from inadequate data? If waning vacccine immunity is just a hunch on Dr. Topol's part, that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's bothersome to me that he has climbed out onto this limb publicly after doing so much to boost vaccination.

[Winehole23]

Dr. Topol:


Just looking at the U.K. and Israel, which had been our guideposts, I thought we would keep the hospitalizations pretty darn low — maybe a fourth of where we’d been in prior waves. And deaths 10 percent of prior waves. But we’re not doing that at all. If you look at the log charts of the U.S. and the U.K, you’re starting to see some real separation for death. It’s certainly going in the wrong direction, and it had been tracking incredibly closely, until recently.

[Winehole23]

1.7 billion vaccine (Sinopharm) vaccine doses and the most aggressive/repressive public health regime in the world aren't doing the trick in the PRC.

Should be pointed out the national tolerance for COVID there is much lower than here, the reported nationwide confirmed cases seem to be in the low four digits.




The outbreak has spread to 17 provinces, after the highly transmissible Delta variant (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3142617/why-delta-coronavirus-variant-faster-make-people-sick) was detected among airport staff in Nanjing on July 20, creating the country’s biggest challenge since the epidemic was largely contained last year.



The surge in new cases has triggered mass testing, lockdowns and travel restrictions, and officials have been removed from positions and punished over Covid-19 failures.
Beijing has also tightened travel restrictions (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3144234/coronavirus-beijing-tightens-travel-restrictions-keep-delta)for its citizens as part of efforts to contain the infection.

There are now 216 areas designated as high or medium risk in mainland China, the highest number since the epidemic control became “normalised” last year.https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3144336/coronavirus-china-tests-tens-millions-second-wave-virus-hits-17

[Winehole23]

Topol: insufficient data, not enough testing

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[Winehole23]

Over One-Quarter Of Positive COVID Cases In LA Are Fully Vaccinated People (https://laist.com/news/health/over-a-quarter-of-positive-covid-cases-in-la-are-fully-vaccinated-people)

[spurraider21]

1424575255952068610

[spurraider21]

More robust testing/tracing could possibly illuminate, but we still don't have that in the US. People who were vaccinated early are older and have less robust immune systems to begin with.

Could be that the short term hospitalization picture is driven by the combination of contagiousness and the large number of unimmunized, or that the data is too noisy to draw good inferences therefrom. Topol's characterization of the severity of breakthrough infections certainly seems more anecdotal than well-considered. I wonder why Dr. Topol sat for this interview to vent worry about vaccine immunity. Seems careless or irresponsible if not backed up by something.

OTOH, what is science if not the art of drawing adequate conclusions from inadequate data? If waning vacccine immunity is just a hunch on Dr. Topol's part, that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's bothersome to me that he has climbed out onto this limb publicly after doing so much to boost vaccination.
Science isn’t done through hunches or speculation from data the way he’s done. Doesnt mean he’s wrong.

[Winehole23]

1424575255952068610More masking, social distancing and ventilation, please.

[Winehole23]

Over One-Quarter Of Positive COVID Cases In LA Are Fully Vaccinated People (https://laist.com/news/health/over-a-quarter-of-positive-covid-cases-in-la-are-fully-vaccinated-people)

Good news: vaccines still provide robust protection against hospitalization and death


"Although vaccinated people are seeing a rise in new COVID diagnosis, they are primarily experiencing their infections, not as severe illnesses that bring them to the emergency room, but as bad colds," says Ferrer.

[baseline bum]

Was at HEB a little earlier and seemed like it was the fattest boomers and gen-x'ers not masking up. Shot in the dark, but if you're so obese you need a scooter at HEB I'm guessing COVID's not going to treat you too well.

[baseline bum]

is vaccine immunity waning?

a rah rah pro-vaccine guy like Eric Topol (who also is privy to all the Scripps Research data (https://www.scripps.edu/faculty/topol/)) wondering out loud about it does not tend to inspire confidence.

1424386175633133571

1424386487139946504

1424386726139764737?

Doesn't really match up with the data you posted out of that Baton Rouge hospital seeing a huge surge where 91.5% of the COVID hospitalizations were unvaccinated patients.

[Winehole23]

Doesn't really match up with the data you posted out of that Baton Rouge hospital seeing a huge surge where 91.5% of the COVID hospitalizations were unvaccinated patients.I agree and suggested similar upstream.

I think the Topol interview is squishy as hell and probably irresponsible. I'm mainly wondering why he did it. Topol's been super gung-ho on vaccination and is the VP of research at Scripps. Maybe it's institutional jiu-jitsu. He's also been griping about the poor quality of data from the CDC. Maybe he's trying to inspire the CDC to disprove it with better information.

[boutons_deux]

‘Goldilocks virus’:

Delta vanquishes all variant rivals as scientists race to understand its tricks

As recently as May 8, delta caused only about 1 percent of new infections nationally.

Today, it has nearly wiped out all of its rivals.

The coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_7) pandemic in America has become a delta pandemic. By the end of July, it accounted for 93.4 percent of new infections,

The speed with which it dominated the pandemic has left scientists nervous about what the virus will do next.

The variant battles of 2021 are part of a longer war, one that is far from over.

Delta is sending thousands of people into hospitals every day and has knocked the Biden administration back on its heels.

In a few short weeks, the delta variant changed the calculations for what it will take to end the pandemic (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/in-this-summer-of-covid-freedom-disease-experts-warn-the-world-needs-a-reality-check/2021/07/17/895be6e8-e58c-11eb-b722-89ea0dde7771_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_10).

the target may be impossible to reach anytime soon given the hardened vaccine resistance in a sizable fraction of the country,

the fact that children under 12 remain ineligible and the persistent circulation of disinformation about vaccines and the pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/delta-variant-most-prevalent/2021/08/08/d1017f0e-f558-11eb-9068-bf463c8c74de_story.html

[ChumpDumper]

:lol
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[boutons_deux]

Vaccine-resistant coronavirus 'mutants' are more likely when transmission is high, new model finds

more likely to emerge when a large fraction of the population is vaccinated and

viral transmission is high,

and no steps are taken to stop the spread,

a situation that looks a lot like the current one in the U.S.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-resistance-mutation-model.html

the mutations could happen here, but more probable in, eg, South Asia and Africa

[SnakeBoy]

1424768475583684617

[Winehole23]

1424768475583684617France?

Hardly surprising, tbh.

[Frenchfred]

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And I fully agree with that.

[Thread]

And I fully agree with that.

Nazi's!!!

[Thread]

France?

Hardly surprising, tbh.

Nazi's!!!

[Thread]

1424768475583684617

Nazi's!!!

[Winehole23]

We should not dismiss the possibility of eradicating COVID-19: comparisons with smallpox and polio (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810)
(https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810)


Is COVID-19 also potentially eradicable? Or is it inevitably endemic having established itself across the world? Commentators have focused on the challenges of reaching population (herd) immunity,7 (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810#ref-7) yet population immunity is not essential and was not achieved for smallpox, which was eradicated through ring vaccination.



As proof of concept for COVID-19 eradication, several countries and jurisdictions have achieved elimination without vaccination, using new and established public health and social measures (PHSMs) (eg, border control, physical distancing, mask wearing, testing and contact tracing supported by genome sequencing).8 (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810#ref-8) Successful jurisdictions have included those with vast land borders such as China, high population densities such as Hong Kong,9 (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810#ref-9) but also island nations such as Iceland and New Zealand, although with occasional outbreaks from border control failures that have been brought under control.10 (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810#ref-10)
https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810

[ChumpDumper]

1424768475583684617Very dramatic.

Did they kill the diners offscreen?

[hater]

Nazi's!!!

Yes. Germany too. You need a health passport to take a shit :lol

Shithole countries :lmao

[hater]

Very dramatic.

Did they kill the diners offscreen?

Pretty simple to see if diners had not had papers they would have been asked to leave, if they did not comply they would be arrested, if they resist arrest they would have been hurt and if they fight back possibly neutralized.

Reminds me of fascism :lol and anyone disagreeing is a fascist themselves

[lefty]

1424768475583684617
Good

Hunt down those anti-vaxx dumbasses

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty simple to see if diners had not had papers they would have been asked to leave, if they did not comply they would be arrested, if they resist arrest they would have been hurt and if they fight back possibly neutralized.

Reminds me of fascism :lol and anyone disagreeing is a fascist themselvesHow many resistance diners did you imagine being murdered in your little fantasy?

[SnakeBoy]

We should not dismiss the possibility of eradicating COVID-19: comparisons with smallpox and polio (https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810)
(https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810)

https://gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810

The virus isn't going to go away

[Winehole23]

The virus isn't going to go awayNo one said it would.

Polio and Smallpox didn't go away either. Hard to see what cheap cynicism buys you besides the smugness of presuming yourself correct.

[koriwhat]

Finally...
Now this sounds exactly like a commie.
You refer to this all the time and you finally break the line and go all in.
You dont like the idea of a democracy? where individuals vote? why not?

So communistic.

WTF are you even babbling about?

[SnakeBoy]

Vaccine-resistant coronavirus 'mutants' are more likely when transmission is high, new model finds

more likely to emerge when a large fraction of the population is vaccinated and

viral transmission is high,

and no steps are taken to stop the spread,

a situation that looks a lot like the current one in the U.S.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-resistance-mutation-model.html

the mutations could happen here, but more probable in, eg, South Asia and Africa


Since we don't live in a model, the authors instead recommend that people maintain measures like masking and distancing "for a reasonable period of time," even once the proportion of people vaccinated nears the herd immunity threshold, they wrote in their report. This would help drive resistant strains to extinction before they spread too far.

That part was funny

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8ePhgZWYAEWAaz?format=jpg&name=medium

[boutons_deux]

Israel to expand use of COVID drug that gets 88% of patients out of hospital

The Health Ministry has approved the expanded use of an innovative COVID-19 treatment that helped 14 out of 16 severe patients who took it to be released from the hospital one day after receiving their final dose.

The drug, MesenCure, has been being tested by Rambam Medical Center as part of a Phase I/II trial. The ministry has approved allowing any Israeli hospital interested to take part in the Phase II trial and to use the drug (https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961) for additional approved patients.

The goal of the expanded trial, which will include a minimum of 50 patients, is to confirm the safety and efficacy of the drug, which was developed by Bonus BioGroup.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israel-to-expand-use-of-covid-drug-that-gets-88-percent-of-patients-out-of-hospital-676397

[Thread]

Israel to expand use of COVID drug that gets 88% of patients out of hospital

The Health Ministry has approved the expanded use of an innovative COVID-19 treatment that helped 14 out of 16 severe patients who took it to be released from the hospital one day after receiving their final dose.

The drug, MesenCure, has been being tested by Rambam Medical Center as part of a Phase I/II trial. The ministry has approved allowing any Israeli hospital interested to take part in the Phase II trial and to use the drug (https://www.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961) for additional approved patients.

The goal of the expanded trial, which will include a minimum of 50 patients, is to confirm the safety and efficacy of the drug, which was developed by Bonus BioGroup.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israel-to-expand-use-of-covid-drug-that-gets-88-percent-of-patients-out-of-hospital-676397

C'mon, mother fucker Biden bow down to the Jews like you did to the Poot.

[boutons_deux]

Covid-19 Booster Jab In The Autumn Should Offer Better Protection Against Variants Of Concern


https://scienceblog.com/524718/covid-19-booster-jab-in-the-autumn-should-offer-better-protection-against-variants-of-concern

[DarrinS]

Updated FLCCC protocol

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

[spurraider21]

Updated FLCCC protocol

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf
doesnt mention vaccines once as part of their prevention plan? :lol

this organization's entire goal just appears to be to push ivermectin and literally nothing else

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/faq-on-ivermectin/

[Blake]

Doesn't help that he was obese. Like 300lbs-400lbs obese that is.

Yep it was the fat that gave him pneumonia like symptoms

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8ePhgZWYAEWAaz?format=jpg&name=medium

10 out of 10 on ventilator now recommending vaccine to family and friends

[DarrinS]

doesnt mention vaccines once as part of their prevention plan? :lol

this organization's entire goal just appears to be to push ivermectin and literally nothing else

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/faq-on-ivermectin/


Yeah, so much profit in generics. :rolleyes

[DarrinS]

Yeah, so much profit in generics. :rolleyes

Maybe they're shills for Big mouthwash lobby.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, so much profit in generics. :rolleyes
seriously. just go through their website. every page is just about ivermectin.

and i never said they're doing it for profit. but this does appear to be their primary focus

[spurraider21]

i dont think all the morons on twitter who were pushing HCQ as a cure were all profiting from HCQ either

im just astonished that an organization puts out a covid prevention plan that doesnt mention vaccines once :lol

[DarrinS]

seriously. just go through their website. every page is just about ivermectin.

and i never said they're doing it for profit. but this does appear to be their primary focus


What do they gain by pushing Ivermectin?

[spurraider21]

What do they gain by pushing Ivermectin?


i dont think all the morons on twitter who were pushing HCQ as a cure were all profiting from HCQ either

im just astonished that an organization puts out a covid prevention plan that doesnt mention vaccines once :lol

[boutons_deux]

COVID vaccine booster randomized clinical trial in transplant patients

proves third shot is very effective
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/08/210811175212.htm

[DarrinS]

Vaccines and therapeutics can coexist

[spurraider21]

Vaccines and therapeutics can coexist
and yet this group doesnt even mention vaccines and literally every page on their site talks about ivermectin :lol

[DarrinS]

and yet this group doesnt even mention vaccines and literally every page on their site talks about ivermectin :lol

They aren't anti-vax.

[Ghazi]

Coronavirus isn't real

[DarrinS]

Coronavirus isn't real

Fuck off

[Ghazi]

The Chosen One has spoken. Coronavirus doesn't exist

[spurraider21]

They aren't anti-vax.
Were these guys pushing hcq a year ago too? :lol

[DarrinS]

Were these guys pushing hcq a year ago too? :lol

Ignore them, if you think they're quacks.

[spurraider21]

updated as of 8/10

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[spurraider21]

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[DarrinS]

Breakthrough infections are making people very sick.

We need therapeutics, in addition to vaccines.

[DarrinS]

1425929833083777024


If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

But, they don't.

[Blake]

If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

But, they don't.

You're an idiot

[DarrinS]

You're an idiot

Ad hominem. Next

[Winehole23]

Breakthrough infections are making people very sick.

We need therapeutics, in addition to vaccines.who said we didn't?

[SnakeBoy]

Listerine

[Winehole23]

If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

But, they don't.As long as they protect against hospitalization and death, they are very worthwhile, even mandate worthy.

Aren't we supposed to figure how to live with COVID?

Surviving COVID would seem to be an important element of that.

[Winehole23]

Listerinenot what I linked. you weren't paying attention or are purposely lying as usual

[DarrinS]

As long as they protect against hospitalization and death, they are very worthwhile, even mandate worthy.

Aren't we supposed to figure how to live with COVID?

Surviving COVID would seem to be an important element of that.

How well are they protecting?

[SnakeBoy]

If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

But, they don't.

The mandate will stop the unvaccinated from infecting the vaccinated. Then we'll need another mandate to stop the unboosted from infecting the boosted.

[Winehole23]

How well are they protecting?80%-90% it would seem, way better than theraputics.

[DarrinS]

Listerine

Cleaning your nose and throat seems common sense to me.

[Winehole23]

Over time that may change. COVID is a moving target.

[DarrinS]

80%-90%, way better than theraputics.

How do we know?


They've already lied about it.

[Winehole23]

How do we know?


They've already lied about it.Who is they?

Can you be specific?

[DarrinS]

Who is they?

Can you be specific?


CDC, NIH

99.5% of hospitalization and deaths are unvaccinated

Nope

[DarrinS]

More like 10-15% of those are fully vaccinated

[DarrinS]

Got my double Pfizer by end of April.

Gotta say, not super confident in its effectiveness.

[Winehole23]

Got my double Pfizer by end of April.

Gotta say, not super confident in its effectiveness.I thought your topped off natty immunity was good.

What changed your mind? More official lies?

[ChumpDumper]

More like 10-15% of those are fully vaccinatedYou don't think that's fucking amazing with Delta?

You're pretty much an antivax idiot at this point.

[spurraider21]

‘Joe Rogan Is Getting This Completely Wrong,’ Says The Scientist Who Conducted The Vaccine Study (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorris/2021/08/08/joe-rogan-is-getting-this-completely-wrong-says-the-scientist-who-conducted-the-vaccine-study/?sh=219de3937bd1)


i mean it goes without saying, but Rogan's reach is massive

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‘Joe Rogan Is Getting This Completely Wrong,’ Says The Scientist Who Conducted The Vaccine Study (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamorris/2021/08/08/joe-rogan-is-getting-this-completely-wrong-says-the-scientist-who-conducted-the-vaccine-study/?sh=219de3937bd1)


i mean it goes without saying, but Rogan's reach is massive



What the hell do you think the scientific community is going to say. They're all in, and have been for quite a while. You couldn't drag 'em away now.

[DarrinS]

I thought your topped off natty immunity was good.


Good point

[spurraider21]

What the hell do you think the scientific community is going to say.
whatever the science reflects, generally

[Blake]

Ad hominem. Next

Sorry you don't understand mandates but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. I'd rather just call you an idiot and move on too. Next.

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whatever the science reflects, generally

Once-upon-a-time, sure, when we was in High School they could be counted upon and trusted, but not for a long, long time, uh, 21. They're politicized and thus, worthless.

[Thread]

Sorry you don't understand mandates but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. I'd rather just call you an idiot and move on too. Next.

...that'd be me.

[spurraider21]

Once-upon-a-time, sure, when we was in High School they could be counted upon and trusted, but not for a long, long time, uh, 21. They're politicized and thus, worthless.
they've been doing the same thing. the politicization has come from industries that are implicated in what the data has found. we saw this with big tobacco for decades. we've seen seeing it with the fossil fuel industry more recently. unfortunately, half of our country chose the corporate messaging over the scientific one, so we have a major political party that banks on denial of science. that has now bled through to other issues of science as half the population has been conditioned to not believe that science is real

[Thread]

they've been doing the same thing. the politicization has come from industries that are implicated in what the data has found. we saw this with big tobacco for decades. we've seen seeing it with the fossil fuel industry more recently. unfortunately, half of our country chose the corporate messaging over the scientific one, so we have a major political party that banks on denial of science. that has now bled through to other issues of science as half the population has been conditioned to not believe that science is real

Oh, the tangled web we weave (thingy).

[spurraider21]

Oh, the tangled web we weave (thingy).
it was as recent as 1994 when 7 separate CEOs of the US's biggest tobacco companies testified under oath before congress that nicotine was not addictive. these guys all claimed the science was politicized too. this isn't some hypothetical idea i'm throwing out there. we've already seen it multiple times. happened earlier with the lead paint, leaded gas, etc

[Blake]

...that'd be me.

Ok