Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[hater]

Vaccines are designed for specific pathogens. When they mutate, the vaccines can become less effective.

What part of that don't you understand?

When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go. Well unless it makes you infinitely wealthy thanks to forever booster shots

[ChumpDumper]

When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go. Is this your medical opinion?

[boutons_deux]

Allergic reactions to Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine are extremely rare, report finds


There's about a 2.5 per 1 million chance of having a severe allergic reaction.

https://www.livescience.com/allergic-reactions-moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html (https://www.livescience.com/allergic-reactions-moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210125_Coronavirus_Infographic&utm_content=20210125_Coronavirus_Infographic+&utm_term=194127&m_i=OguOeaRBU7ADngOL%2BvnV51r7t0SZNhLpyTmNTpHq5k6j l7vEhHqaPvqUCWM3tO2visZqDvmEiTd5GTocXsfhSeTw7b%2BZ pi)

[SnakeBoy]

When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go.

You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.

[Trainwreck2100]

You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.

Not a guarantee if its always mutating

[hater]

You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.

Not really tho

We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s

[DarrinS]

Not really tho

We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s


Not really how it works. Unless, you mean a NEW coronavirus hits you when you're in your 70's. Elderly people get common colds all the time. They aren't deadly, since they've been exposed many times over their lives.

[hater]

Not really how it works. Unless, you mean a NEW coronavirus hits you when you're in your 70's. Elderly people get common colds all the time. They aren't deadly, since they've been exposed many times over their lives.

Covid is obviously not as mild as a cold. It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future. Yes we will see that 1st hand. Of course in 20, 30, 40 years there will be much better therapeutics for us.

[SnakeBoy]

Not really tho

We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s

If you make it to your 70's you will have been infected multiple times so it's not going to be the same as current elderly who are completely immune naive to this bug.

[SnakeBoy]

It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future.

Not the vaccinated ones. About 45 million 65+ left to vaccinate.

[hater]

Not the vaccinated ones. About 45 million 65+ left to vaccinate.

New strains will. At a decent clip imo

[hater]

If you make it to your 70's you will have been infected multiple times so it's not going to be the same as current elderly who are completely immune naive to this bug.

Agree

[DarrinS]

Covid is obviously not as mild as a cold. It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future. Yes we will see that 1st hand. Of course in 20, 30, 40 years there will be much better therapeutics for us.

I'm sure the other common colds were deadly when they were NEW.

[hater]

I'm sure the other common colds were deadly when they were NEW.

We barely could wipe our ass back then much less have even an aspirin.

Now we are throwing the kitchen sink at the virus and even baby fetuses and hiv cocktails and still getting our asses kicked.

[DMC]

Hater will die in WW15 before he reaches 70.

[hater]

Hater will die in WW15 before he reaches 70.

You wont. U said vaccine rollout was a piece of cake :lol

[DarrinS]

We barely could wipe our ass back then much less have even an aspirin.

Now we are throwing the kitchen sink at the virus and even baby fetuses and hiv cocktails and still getting our asses kicked.


Get in your bunker then.

[hater]

Get in your bunker then.

Not till I hit 65 and thats decades from now :lol

[pgardn]

New strains will. At a decent clip imo

What do you base your opinion on?

[DarrinS]

Not till I hit 65 and thats decades from now :lol

By then, you've been exposed numerous times, each time affecting you less. See where this is going?

[hater]

By then, you've been exposed numerous times, each time affecting you less. See where this is going?

Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?

[pgardn]

Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?

the flu viruses are vastly different compared to the Covid virus.
We make vaccines for 4 different antigens for each season for the flu.
The Covid virus requires one because only one is involved in attaching to cells, the spike protein, and it appears to be very good at this.
And the most likely thing that will happen if the spike protein mutates in the binding domain is that it WILL not be able to bind to your cells.

Please continue... hater?

[spurraider21]

Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?
to your lotion bottle?

[pgardn]

the flu viruses are vastly different compared to the Covid virus.
We make vaccines for 4 different antigens for each season for the flu.
The Covid virus requires one because only one is involved in attaching to cells, the spike protein, and it appears to be very good at this.
And the most likely thing that will happen if the spike protein mutates in the binding domain is that it WILL not be able to bind to your cells.

Please continue... hater?

For the South African strain. this is worrying

Some scientists noted that the variant is possibly able to attach more easily to human cells because of three mutations in the receptor-binding domain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_2#St ructural_biology) (RBD) in the spike glycoprotein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peplomer) of the virus: N501Y[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501.V2_variant#cite_note-nytimes-5)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501.V2_variant#cite_note-caprisa-9) (a change from asparagine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagine) (N) to tyrosine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrosine) (Y)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501.V2_variant#cite_note-10) in amino-acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino-acid) position 501), K417N, and E484K.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501.V2_variant#cite_note-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501.V2_variant#cite_note-12) Two of these mutations, E484K and N501Y, are within the receptor-binding motif (RBM) of the receptor-binding domain (RBD).

Here you go hater.

Now tell us how this will affect the efficacy of the current vaccine(s)

Hater with his opinion... Go.

[boutons_deux]

Israel’s Early Vaccine Data Offers Hope

Initial studies show a significant drop in infections and hospitalizations after just one dose,

and very few cases after two.

Experts caution that the results are preliminary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/world/middleeast/israels-vaccine-data.html

[pgardn]

You know what, F me.

This is a sports board.
We make conjectures all the time concerning players, games, and coaches we know little about. But at least we watch and read.

Hater... well hater...

[pgardn]

Israel’s Early Vaccine Data Offers Hope

Initial studies show a significant drop in infections and hospitalizations after just one dose,

and very few cases after two.

Experts caution that the results are preliminary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/world/middleeast/israels-vaccine-data.html

Still good news.
We can hope.

[boutons_deux]

Moderna seems to work against new variants

[DMC]

You wont. U said vaccine rollout was a piece of cake :lol

I was. I was vaccinated already, no problem.

[hater]

I was. I was vaccinated already, no problem.

You said it would be a piece of cake for the entire nation :lol

[DarrinS]

Moderna seems to work against new variants

You posted something positive. Congrats

[ElNono]

to your lotion bottle?

:lol

[pgardn]

You posted something positive. Congrats

we need to get teachers vaccinated pronto.
Way too much disruption of young families for too long.

[boutons_deux]

They Claimed the Covid Vaccine Made Them Sick—and Went Viral

On Facebook, videos of people reporting disturbing side-effects from the shots have been viewed by millions. Fact-checking efforts can't keep up.

https://www.wired.com/story/they-claimed-the-covid-vaccine-made-them-sick-and-went-viral/

[hater]

Israel is almost done vaccinating its population. Pretty interesting how they not only negotiated but convinc3d Pfizer to give them ALL the vaccine available. And relsulting in less vaccines for europe.

Hopefully israeli lab experiment works.

They did not vaccinae much of Palestine tho. Apartheid much?

[hater]

Called it :tu

https://twitter.com/bravotweety/status/1354105705440174080?s=19

[DMC]

You said it would be a piece of cake for the entire nation :lol


Dude, I quoted you "1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature"

Then I showed you the actual quote from the website:

"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."
In fact the required storage temp is given in F, not C. The freezer is -80 degrees C. Plenty cold for -94 degrees F requirement.

You're the one who argued against the -80 degree freezer without knowing anything about it.



It is a piece of cake. Buy freezers, install them. Done.

This is what I said. :lol hater

[DMC]

What do you base your opinion on?

The quivering of the tail between his legs.

[Xevious]

For what it's worth, I felt pretty fucking shitty after the second Moderna shot. I'm three days out and still fell off tbh... achy, fatigued, etc. Other people I work with who've gotten vaccinated (both kinds) are a mixed bag.

[hater]

This is what I said. :lol hater

Sure. Thats all u said abou it :rolleyes

You also didnt say that you wanted to firebomb wuhan to stop the virus :lol

[SnakeBoy]

For what it's worth, I felt pretty fucking shitty after the second Moderna shot. I'm three days out and still fell off tbh... achy, fatigued, etc. Other people I work with who've gotten vaccinated (both kinds) are a mixed bag.

Yeah everyone at my wife's workplace got vaccinated on the same day. They basically had to shutdown the next afternoon since most were feeling too sick to keep working. Most were feeling better the next day but a few had to miss a couple days of work.

[boutons_deux]

For what it's worth, I felt pretty fucking shitty after the second Moderna shot. I'm three days out and still fell off tbh... achy, fatigued, etc. Other people I work with who've gotten vaccinated (both kinds) are a mixed bag.

The 2nd infection is attacked by acquired immune system that "learned" about the infection from the first shot which was handled by the innate immune system.

[Xevious]

Better than getting covid my friend. :lol
I don't regret getting it. I'm just relaying my personal experience.

[Xevious]

Yeah everyone at my wife's workplace got vaccinated on the same day. They basically had to shutdown the next afternoon since most were feeling too sick to keep working. Most were feeling better the next day but a few had to miss a couple days of work.
My own anecdotal observation is that people who've had COVID already have a pretty easy time with the vaccine. One nurse I know ended up in the ER after her second shot though. Not sure what happened, haven't seen her yet.

[DMC]

My own anecdotal observation is that people who've had COVID already have a pretty easy time with the vaccine. One nurse I know ended up in the ER after her second shot though. Not sure what happened, haven't seen her yet.

Was she an ER nurse? Maybe just going to work? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't keep the receipt from CVS.

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[Winehole23]

Host-directed theraputics (HSTs)


SARS-CoV-2 viral proteins interact with the eukaryotic translation machinery and inhibitors of translation have potent antiviral effects. Here we report that the drug plitidepsin (aplidin), which has limited clinical approval, possesses antiviral activity (IC90 = 0.88 nM) 27.5-fold more potent than remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, with limited toxicity in cell culture. Here we report that the drug plitidepsin (Aplidin), which has limited clinical approval, possesses antiviral activity (IC90 = 0.88 nM) 27.5-fold more potent than remdesivir against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, with limited toxicity in cell culture. Through the use of a drug resistant mutant, we show that the antiviral activity of plitidepsin against SARS-CoV-2 is mediated through inhibition of the known target eEF1A. We demonstrate the in vivo efficacy of plitidepsin treatment in two mouse models of SARS-CoV-2 infection with a reduction of viral replication in the lungs by two orders of magnitude using prophylactic treatment.https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/01/22/science.abf4058

[boutons_deux]

Didn't keep the receipt from CVS.

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:lol

[Winehole23]

Biden Team to Buy 200 Million More Doses, Speed Up Vaccinations

By Josh Wingrove (https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/ASLqWCO-Zh4/josh-wingrove)
and Mario Parker (https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/AG-4YpEKlxM/mario-parker)
January 26, 2021, 3:00 PM CST Updated on January 26, 2021, 5:02 PM CST






Government to ship more doses to states for next three weeks
Biden complains vaccine program ‘in worse shape’ than expected





President Joe Biden said his administration intends to order 100 million more doses each of Pfizer Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/PFE:US) and Moderna Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/MRNA:US)’s coronavirus vaccines, and at least temporarily speed up shipments to states to about 10 million doses a week.


The new purchases would increase total U.S. orders for the two approved vaccines by 50%, to about 600 million shots, according to a senior administration official -- a supply that it expects to have available by the end of the summer, and which would be enough for 300 million people.


Delivering a minimum 10 million doses to states would represent about a 16% increase from the current weekly pace, though the higher pace may only last three weeks and it’s not clear where the new doses are coming from. The government also plans to give states better forecasts of forthcoming shipments -- three weeks’ worth, up from one week now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-26/biden-team-tells-governors-it-will-speed-up-vaccine-delivery

[Winehole23]

en passant: it's amazing to me that the USG hasn't used the Defense Production Act to take more control of vaccine production and PPE.

[hater]

Lol US and Europe hoarding all the vaccines while 3rd world countries have nothing.


Stupid fucks think they can stop a global.pandemic this way :lmao stupid retards this is like fire extinguishing your bedroom while you let the rest of the house burn.

Why the fuck buy 3 times the amount of vaccine you need? Sounds like a pussy that goes to buy up toilet paper

Thank God we have china and russia to save the day :tu

Both already sharing their vaccines and letting the 3rd world countries themselves produce their own. "Teach a man to fish.."

[Winehole23]

China and Russia already sharing their vaccines and letting the 3rd world countries themselves produce their own. "Teach a man to fish.."soft power via vaccine

[hater]

Can u imagine if there was no chinese and russian vaccines and the entire world had to depend on greedy West??? It would be a clusterfuck

:lmao wed be utterly fucked

Thank God for China and Russia :tu

[Winehole23]

Lol US and Europe hoarding all the vaccines while 3rd world countries have nothing.We call that a free market outcome, sacrificing human health to it is a feature, not a bug. So is the concentration of misery in the global south.

Moral "blind spot" of the system, you might say.

[hater]

Evil western assholes

https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1354194665071910913?s=19

[Winehole23]

Stupid fucks think they can stop a global.pandemic this way :lmao stupid retards this is like fire extinguishing your bedroom while you let the rest of the house burn.

Why the fuck buy 3 times the amount of vaccine you need? Sounds like a pussy that goes to buy up toilet paperwho bought three times what they need?

[hater]

who bought three times what they need?

European Union and UK

Britain has ordered 367 million doses of seven different vaccines – some already approved and some candidate drugs – for its population of roughly 67 million, while the European Union has secured nearly 2.3 billion doses for its 450 million people, says Reuters.

[hater]

:lmao poor Ukraine. Daddy USA told them they cannot use Russian vaccines. They complied.

Now they are shit out of luck and have to beg china and india for their shittier vaccines :lol

https://twitter.com/SpicyTies/status/1317443222734577667?s=19

:lmao

[hater]

Speaking of devils....

https://twitter.com/theIMEU/status/1351635568027987972?s=19

[DarrinS]

Can u imagine if there was no chinese and russian vaccines and the entire world had to depend on greedy West??? It would be a clusterfuck

:lmao wed be utterly fucked

Thank God for China and Russia :tu


You forgot about Oxford-AstraZeneca.

[hater]

You forgot about Oxford-AstraZeneca.

Wbat r u talking about. The first hundred million doses of those have also been bought by UK/US/EU

[boutons_deux]

We call that a free market outcome, sacrificing human health to it is a feature, not a bug. So is the concentration of misery in the global south.

Moral "blind spot" of the system, you might say.

Capitalism has no morals, ethics, humanity.

50 years ago, venerated high priest of economic bullshit Friedman said the only responsibility of a business is returning capital to shareholders, no responsibility to employees, not to environment, not to society, not to "free" market.

BigCorp has run with that idea and we and the planet are all fucked by Capitalism.

[SnakeBoy]

Antivaxxer Hater complaining that everyone in the world doesn't have access to the vaccines he doesn't want them to take

[hater]

Antivaxxer Hater complaining that everyone in the world doesn't have access to the vaccines he doesn't want them to take

I was never an antivaxxer Nancy.

I did say right now we dont have a reliable safe proven vaccine yet. Which is a fact :tu

Still doesnt affect the fact that West is hoarding all vaccines they produce :lol

Greedy scared bitches

[Winehole23]

:lmao poor Ukraine. Daddy USA told them they cannot use Russian vaccines. They complied.

Now they are shit out of luck and have to beg china and india for their shittier vaccines :lol

https://twitter.com/SpicyTies/status/1317443222734577667?s=19

:lmaoBrutal, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Antivaxxer Hater complaining that everyone in the world doesn't have access to the vaccines he doesn't want them to take

:lol

[baseline bum]

I do find it weird we're looking at getting 600 million doses in the US though. No way there are only 30 million vaccine truthers in this nation.

[DarrinS]

I do find it weird we're looking at getting 600 million doses in the US though. No way there are only 30 million vaccine truthers in this nation.


Likely > 30M already had Covid

[SnakeBoy]

I do find it weird we're looking at getting 600 million doses in the US though. No way there are only 30 million vaccine truthers in this nation.

Assuming the trial results are good, my guess is the J&J vaccine will be the one the US "gifts" to the world. At least I hope that's what we do.

Astrazenca should be the vaccine for the world but man that company is seems fucked up. First the whole clinical trial dose fiasco. Now trying to short change the EU so they can make more $ off the poorer nations. Charging the Eu $3 a dose but charging poorer nations like India $6 dose.

[pgardn]

For what it's worth, I felt pretty fucking shitty after the second Moderna shot. I'm three days out and still fell off tbh... achy, fatigued, etc. Other people I work with who've gotten vaccinated (both kinds) are a mixed bag.


Yeah everyone at my wife's workplace got vaccinated on the same day. They basically had to shutdown the next afternoon since most were feeling too sick to keep working. Most were feeling better the next day but a few had to miss a couple days of work.

This is basically what I am hearing as well.
My wife going in next Monday for the 2nd Moderna. People at her office have felt shitty after the 2nd to varying degrees.


No one has felt bad enough to go to the hospital and die.
Sorry for the bad news Hater and Kori. But it’s a small sample size, if you guys wish it to be true for an “I told you so”, hang in there.

[boutons_deux]

btw, after vaccinated, you can still get covid, and the immune system will kick you ass as it fights the infection, like a really bad cold

[SnakeBoy]

btw, after vaccinated, you can still get covid, and the immune system will kick you ass as it fights the infection, like a really bad cold

95% chance that doesn't happen

[DMX7]

btw, after vaccinated, you can still get covid, and the immune system will kick you ass as it fights the infection, like a really bad cold

95% effective???

[boutons_deux]

95% effective???

I've a read couple of explanations what that means. still not clear

[boutons_deux]

Statnews email:

"Novavax says its Covid-19 vaccine is 90% effective, but far less so against one variant

A Covid-19 vaccine from Novavax proved nearly 90% effective in preliminary results from a key clinical trial in the United Kingdom, the company said,

but appeared far less effective against a new variant of the coronavirus that accounted for most of the cases in South Africa."

[SnakeBoy]

Pfizer Follows Moderna in Developing Vaccine Booster Shots for COVID Variants
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pfizer-follows-moderna-in-developing-vaccine-booster-shots-for-covid-variants/ar-BB1d7XSv?ocid=uxbndlbing


Pfizer told Reuters that the company was "already laying the groundwork to respond quickly if a variant of SARS-CoV-2 shows evidence of escaping immunity by our vaccine." Bloomberg had first reported the news, with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla telling the outlet that if testing reveals any of the variants have resistance, the company will "very, very quickly be able to produce a booster dose that will be a small variation to the current vaccine."

[CosmicCowboy]

Funny...one of the drugs I'm taking to throw off the covid is Ivermectin...same drug I used to worm my horses with.

[SnakeBoy]

Funny...one of the drugs I'm taking to throw off the covid is Ivermectin...same drug I used to worm my horses with.

Aren't you like 10+ days post symptom onset. Why are you taking ivermectin?

You should be post viral replication phase and at the point where dexamethasone is recommended if you are still having problems.

[SpursforSix]

Funny...one of the drugs I'm taking to throw off the covid is Ivermectin...same drug I used to worm my horses with.

I hope you're not sticking the syringe in your butt. I'm sure it's tempting but you're just supposed to squirt it in your mouth.

[CosmicCowboy]

Aren't you like 10+ days post symptom onset. Why are you taking ivermectin?

You should be post viral replication phase and at the point where dexamethasone is recommended if you are still having problems.

Supposedly its more of a system cleanse to get rid of residuals.

[SnakeBoy]

Supposedly its more of a system cleanse to get rid of residuals.

Are you feeling better?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you feeling better?

Oh yeah. Im not contagious anymore but still monitoring some of the side effects. If you guys get this make sure you do bloodwork. The covid doesn't just attack the lungs. Im still on blood thinners and get tired easily...still having a nagging cough but not the convulsive coughing up chunks like at the start. Kind of feel like superman now that I have antibodies for a few months. Over the fear factor.

[Dirks_Finale]

Oh yeah. Im not contagious anymore but still monitoring some of the side effects. If you guys get this make sure you do bloodwork. The covid doesn't just attack the lungs. Im still on blood thinners and get tired easily...still having a nagging cough but not the convulsive coughing up chunks like at the start. Kind of feel like superman now that I have antibodies for a few months. Over the fear factor.

You probably have immunity for quite sometime. Some of the people infected with the first SARs virus in 03 are still immune as of 2020. Just depends on all these pesky variants and if they can slow the sh1t down, finally.

[Winehole23]

great news

the Pfizer /Israel deal is unique afaik in that the whole country is basically an in vivo study for which Pfizer retains the data, if I recall aright.

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[spurraider21]

wifey just got her 2nd dose today.

[SnakeBoy]

Oh yeah. Im not contagious anymore but still monitoring some of the side effects. If you guys get this make sure you do bloodwork. The covid doesn't just attack the lungs. Im still on blood thinners and get tired easily...still having a nagging cough but not the convulsive coughing up chunks like at the start.

I saw a show about long covid and they said one of the things that many of them had in common was trying to push themselves physically to get back to normal after their initial illness. So they thought that might have something to do increasing the risk of long covid. Chill the fuck out for awhile was their recommendation.


Kind of feel like superman now that I have antibodies for a few months. Over the fear factor.

I felt the same after I had it. Now it's been almost a year and I didn't have a strong antibody response so now I'm like shit I hope I don't get it again. I wouldn't care if I could be sure I would just get the gastro only version of the disease again but I don't want to be hacking my lungs out.

I had an opportunity to jump the line and get vaccinated with tier 1 but I didn't want to take a dose from someone more at risk. Now that my wife is fully vaccinated she is on cloud 9 and I keep thinking "fuck I should've jumped the line" :lol

[DarrinS]

I saw a show about long covid and they said one of the things that many of them had in common was trying to push themselves physically to get back to normal after their initial illness. So they thought that might have something to do increasing the risk of long covid. Chill the fuck out for awhile was their recommendation.



I've also heard that you shouldn't try to lower fever with Tylenol, etc.

[SnakeBoy]

I've also heard that you shouldn't try to lower fever with Tylenol, etc.

That's a long standing theoretical debate. Mostly people who don't have any medical liability say let the fever burn because that's what your body wants to do. Mostly people with medical liability say nice idea but sometimes fevers burn out of control and kill you so I'm going to treat the fever.

[hater]

wifey just got her 2nd dose today.

:tu

[SnakeBoy]

wifey just got her 2nd dose today.

Nice. Good chance she'll have a shitty night which means you'll probably have a shitty night :lol

[DarrinS]

Take motrin every 4 hours until fever goes away.

Nope.

[DarrinS]

J&J not as effective as Pfizer or Moderna, but is a single shot and stored at fridge temp

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-a7d254f0299d846062bf6195031880a3

[hater]

J&J not as effective as Pfizer or Moderna, but is a single shot and stored at fridge temp

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-a7d254f0299d846062bf6195031880a3

Peer reviewed?

[DMC]

great news

the Pfizer /Israel deal is unique afaik in that the whole country is basically an in vivo study for which Pfizer retains the data, if I recall aright.

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The Jews being experimented on again?

[hater]

The Jews being experimented on again?

:lol yup

[boutons_deux]

J&J vaccine, developed with Beth Israel, is 66 percent effective globally

[MultiTroll]

J&J vaccine, developed with Beth Israel, is 66 percent effective globally
66 seems pretty sucky.
34% the JJ does no good on?

Plus the African variant said to be immune to all the Pharma pigs shots.

[Winehole23]

66 seems pretty sucky.
34% the JJ does no good on?

Plus the African variant said to be immune to all the Pharma pigs shots.50% is the generally agreed upon threshhold of efficacy, no?

[hater]

50% is the generally agreed upon threshhold of efficacy, no?

Says who?

[hater]

:lmao the vaccine global clusterfucknis just beginning:
- EU bitching and threatening all drug companies due to delays
- EU publishes Astrazeneca contract. It clearly says company is not responsible for delays :lol yet they still bitch
- EU has not even approved astrazeneca yet
- germany has already said nobodh over 65 should get that jab :lmao

[MultiTroll]

50% is the generally agreed upon threshhold of efficacy, no?
All along Phizer and Moderna were reported as being in the 90s +

[Trainwreck2100]

All along Phizer and Moderna were reported as being in the 90s +

because those ones use the RNA technology, and this one doesn't, that's why it doesn't need to be antarctic temps.

[DarrinS]

66 seems pretty sucky.
34% the JJ does no good on?

Plus the African variant said to be immune to all the Pharma pigs shots.


In 44000 volunteers

After day 28, no one who got vaccinated needed hospitalization or died regardless of whether they were exposed to “regular COVID or these particularly nasty variants,”

[Winehole23]

All along Phizer and Moderna were reported as being in the 90s +yy

[Winehole23]

Says who?50% efficacy beats none by a lot

[hater]

50% efficacy beats none by a lot

So u?

[Winehole23]

So u?if our best vaccine had 51% efficacy we'd still be glad to have it.

[spurraider21]

Nice. Good chance she'll have a shitty night which means you'll probably have a shitty night :lol
You weren’t kidding. She had a bad time. Aches all over, some nausea, chills

[spurraider21]

:lmao the vaccine global clusterfucknis just beginning:
- EU bitching and threatening all drug companies due to delays
- EU publishes Astrazeneca contract. It clearly says company is not responsible for delays :lol yet they still bitch
- EU has not even approved astrazeneca yet
- germany has already said nobodh over 65 should get that jab :lmao
Inside haters head: “ooh. yeah. just like that”

[InRareForm]

For someone without an underlying condition. A 66 percent efficacy + your immune system defense is actually really good imo.

[Winehole23]

Its actually more effective but they mostly likely studied for single shot. If they did 2 shots you might have a higher efficacy.sometimes not emphasized is protection against infection. the J&J jab decreases severe disease progression by 85%.

[hater]

if our best vaccine had 51% efficacy we'd still be glad to have it.

I wouldnt. 50% means pandwmic would rage on indefinitely

[ChumpDumper]

When did everybody start calling it a jab?

[boutons_deux]

sometimes not emphasized is protection against infection. the J&J jab decreases severe disease progression by 85%.

I think the same is true with 95%, you can still get infected, and feel like shit, esp if heavily infected, for a day or more while the immune system, innate and acquired, attacks the virus, but will not progress to serious symptoms.

It sounds to me like vaccinated people could still get infected, have symptoms like some people do after 2nd shot.

[ChumpDumper]

J&J type vaccines are good enough for most people and should really accelerate our way to herd immunity. The advantage of its convenience can't be overstated.

[Winehole23]

When did everybody start calling it a jab?alliterative

J&J jab

[ChumpDumper]

alliterative

J&J jabThey've been using it for all vaccines. I first saw it in the Daily Mail some weeks ago but was wondering if it was in wide use earlier.

[hater]

For someone without an underlying condition. A 66 percent efficacy + your immune system defense is actually really good imo.

Someone without underlying conditions already has 95+% efficacy vs the virus.

Tbqh

[DarrinS]

Someone without underlying conditions already has 95+% efficacy vs the virus.

Tbqh


Depends on your age

[hater]

Depends on your age

Isnit really much lower for 65+ with no underlying?

I thought not

[spurraider21]

Someone without underlying conditions already has 95+% efficacy vs the virus.

Tbqh
not really. they're very likely to survive, but theres a litany of long term effects that this virus can cause as well

[hater]

not really. they're very likely to survive, but theres a litany of long term effects that this virus can cause as well

Dont disagree. But would like to see stats of what % ppl without underlying conditions have severe lomg term effects

[spurraider21]

Dont disagree. But would like to see stats of what % ppl without underlying conditions have severe lomg term effects
maybe you should do that before claiming everybody will be fine

[hater]

maybe you should do that before claiming everybody will be fine

95% is not everybody, Nancy

[SnakeBoy]

For someone without an underlying condition. A 66 percent efficacy + your immune system defense is actually really good imo.

It's better efficacy than flu vaccines

And 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death which is what really matters.

[InRareForm]

Someone without underlying conditions already has 95+% efficacy vs the virus.

Tbqh
My point exactly. It probably moves it to 97-98 % approximately

[DarrinS]

Novavax 89.3% efficacy in UK Phase 3 trial

https://www.novavax.com/sites/default/files/2021-01/UK-SouthAfrica-Trial-Results--FINAL.pdf

[SnakeBoy]

Supposedly its more of a system cleanse to get rid of residuals.

I just remembered that you said you're taking doxy for a chronic knee? infection. That might be why your Doc didn't give you a steroid like dexamethasone instead of ivermectin since steroids could make your bacterial infection get worse.

[Thanos]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es8AmnmXYAMTmQ5?format=png&name=small

[hater]

New data showing that two COVID-19 vaccines are far less effective in South Africa than in other places they were tested have heightened fears that the coronavirus is quickly finding ways to elude the world’s most powerful tools to contain it.

The U.S. company Novavax reported this week that although its vaccine was nearly 90% effective in clinical trials conducted in Britain, the figure fell to 49% in South Africa — and that nearly all the infections the company analyzed in South Africa involved the B.1.351 variant that emerged there late last year and has spread to the United States and at least 30 other countries.

Johnson & Johnson announced Friday that its new shot was 72% effective against preventing moderate or severe illness in the United States, compared with 66% in Latin America and 57% in South Africa.

La times

[Winehole23]

J&J shot sounds pretty good

[DMC]

J&J shot sounds pretty good

It's not a double Jameson

[SnakeBoy]

J&J shot sounds pretty good

This is the vaccine we need to massively ramp up production on and get it out to less developed countries. Free to them or maybe a pay us back someday lend/lease type program.

[SnakeBoy]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will get vaccinated before your grandma

https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-guantanamo/

The order was signed on Jan. 27 by Terry Adirim, the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs who was sworn in as a Biden appointee on Inauguration Day, a Pentagon spokesman confirmed.

[ChumpDumper]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will get vaccinated before your grandma

https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-guantanamo/

The order was signed on Jan. 27 by Terry Adirim, the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs who was sworn in as a Biden appointee on Inauguration Day, a Pentagon spokesman confirmed.I don't mind that so much. If he had been convicted in an actual trial, they could have just let him die of COVID in prison by now.

[baseline bum]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will get vaccinated before your grandma

https://nypost.com/2021/01/29/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-in-guantanamo/

The order was signed on Jan. 27 by Terry Adirim, the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs who was sworn in as a Biden appointee on Inauguration Day, a Pentagon spokesman confirmed.

Hopefully it's just them trying to make the place safe for the Capitol insurrection snowflakes soon to be sent.

[Winehole23]

It's not a double Jamesonmay hurt more, hoping it lasts a little longer

[Winehole23]

*we were trying save you money*

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/31/trump-officials-lobbied-to-deny-states-money-for-vaccine-rollout/

[DarrinS]

Israel results -- only 317 out of 715,425, or 0.04%, of people became infected a week after becoming fully vaccinated

[pgardn]

Israel results -- only 317 out of 715,425, or 0.04%, of people became infected a week after becoming fully vaccinated

Good news.

[DarrinS]

Imagine you're first in line for vaccine, and you're like, nah, I'll pass


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnRV8-ZWPI

[boutons_deux]

Imagine you're first in line for vaccine, and you're like, nah, I'll pass


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fnRV8-ZWPI

at least 1/3 of front-line health care workers are refusing vaccination, some permanently, some waiting to see side effects in others.

100s of health workers dead, 1000s sickened

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0O_YQ6bFyI

[Winehole23]

all the vaccines work


So what’s the news there? Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax.https://zeynep.substack.com/p/why-you-should-take-any-vaccine

[hater]

No thanks Ill wait a year. Leaning towards Sputnik V. Best bang for buck on a tried and tested platform.

But will wait to see how it does vs variants....

[Winehole23]

No thanks Ill wait a year. Leaning towards Sputnik V. Best bang for buck on a tried and tested platform.

But will wait to see how it does vs variants....good luck, man

[hater]

good luck, man

:tu ma nig

[pgardn]

No thanks Ill wait a year. Leaning towards Sputnik V. Best bang for buck on a tried and tested platform.

But will wait to see how it does vs variants....

just become an anti-vaccer and snort chlorine dioxide.
easy

[hater]

No thanks niga

Im all for a safe efficient vaccine. If its gonna take you and a few million test tube humans to test the efficacy and safety of them for me to pick the best of the bunch. Then so be it :lol

[pgardn]

No thanks niga

Im all for a safe efficient vaccine. If its gonna take you and a few million test tube humans to test the efficacy and safety of them for me to pick the best of the bunch. Then so be it :lol

You do that.

I’d like to start traveling on airplanes again and that requires going through airports.
i’d also like to eat at restaurants that are really good but have tight spaces.

work will also become much easier. and I’m way down the list so it’s gonna have to wait
visiting relatives that are older now becomes much easier, but you stay holed up.
and you trust the Vlad Chernobyl vaccine. They’ll let you know it doesn’t work and is in fact bad for you after your dead.

[hater]

Thanks brah :tu

Im not holed up at all btw. Just went to florida for fishing mostly but also visited zoos and amusement parks and beaches tbqh

Its a beautiful world out there. :tu

[Winehole23]

You do that.

I’d like to start traveling on airplanes again and that requires going through airports.
i’d also like to eat at restaurants that are really good but have tight spaces.

work will also become much easier. and I’m way down the list so it’s gonna have to wait
visiting relatives that are older now becomes much easier, but you stay holed up.
and you trust the Vlad Chernobyl vaccine. They’ll let you know it doesn’t work and is in fact bad for you after your dead.This one?


Safety and efficacy of an rAd26 and rAd5 vector-based heterologous prime-boost COVID-19 vaccine: an interim analysis of a randomised controlled phase 3 trial in Russia


This interim analysis of the phase 3 trial of Gam-COVID-Vac showed 91·6% efficacy against COVID-19 and was well tolerated in a large cohort.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00234-8/fulltext

[hater]

:lol its peegarded

He will probably claim Putins KGB infiltrated the Lancet :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

No thanks Ill wait a year. Leaning towards Sputnik V. Best bang for buck on a tried and tested platform.

But will wait to see how it does vs variants....

The Iranian vaccine is supposed to be approved later in the spring. Iran says it's working great against the variants and COVIran-Barekat is a cool name. You probably should wait for that one.

[hater]

The Iranian vaccine is supposed to be approved later in the spring. Iran says it's working great against the variants and COVIran-Barekat is a cool name. You probably should wait for that one.

Maybe.

I do hear the Cuban vaccine looks promising. They also have plans to inoculate tourists if they wish :tu

Lots of options to defeat this monster :tu

[hater]

God bless the Cuban Empire. They plan to give the vaccine for free :wow



https://twitter.com/bellybeastcuba/status/1355154575003680775?s=19

[hater]

Amazing

Go to beautiful cuba and come back Covid immune :wow

https://twitter.com/mambi26/status/1356983623015088129?s=19

[hater]

:wow intranasal vaccine :wow

https://twitter.com/hildabast/status/1357449079496740864?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

Maybe.

I do hear the Cuban vaccine looks promising. They also have plans to inoculate tourists if they wish :tu

Lots of options to defeat this monster :tu

What would probably the best against the variants would be a live attenuated virus vaccine so you get antibodies to more than just the spike. India's Covi-Vac nasal vaccine is furthest along but still in phase 1. If you wait for it you can snort your vaccine.

[hater]

:lmao cuckcanada

They bought up a gazilllion doses of vaccine. Problem is they bought too late due to China cockblocking them with their 1st option which was the Chinese vaccine :lol

These idiots actually depended on chinese vaccine eventhough they are holding Huaweii CEO in jail :lol

So they ordered 8 vaccines for each 1 of their citizens but still will barely finish vacvinating most canadians by 2022 :lol

:lol troudeau

[JamStone]

Israeli experimental cancer drug, EXO-CD24, hailed as big covid breakthrough, potential cure.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9228317/Experimental-cancer-drug-hailed-coronavirus-cure-Israeli-hospital.html

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0O_YQ6bFyI

If you're still looking to sign your mom up I ran across this link a minute ago that seems to show a few places with Moderna or Pfizer when you zoom in on the SA area.

https://tdem.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3700a84845c5470cb0dc3ddace5c376b

[baseline bum]

No thanks Ill wait a year. Leaning towards Sputnik V. Best bang for buck on a tried and tested platform.

But will wait to see how it does vs variants....

Bend over. I'll give you bang for a buck.

[DMC]

God bless the Cuban Empire. They plan to give the vaccine for free :wow



https://twitter.com/bellybeastcuba/status/1355154575003680775?s=19

They give it for free in the US.

:lol Hater

[DMC]

Bend over. I'll give you bang for a buck.

We're talking a Boone and Crocket one pointer.

[hater]

They give it for free in the US.

:lol Hater

Yeah its "free" :lmao sure it is :lol

(Should someone tell the poor guy someone is paying a private company whos making a profit for it?) :lol

[baseline bum]

They give it for free in the US.

:lol Hater

Yeah never even got asked for any insurance info on my first shot. Maybe they will on the second shot?

[Winehole23]

So they ordered 8 vaccines for each 1 of their citizens but still will barely finish vacvinating most canadians by 2022 :lolso, about the same time the US finishes?

[boutons_deux]

Bend over. I'll give you bang for a buck.

sloppy seconds, Pootin's already been there

[DMC]

Yeah never even got asked for any insurance info on my first shot. Maybe they will on the second shot?

Just avoid the "we require a consultation first" clinics. They want to charge you for a loophole fee.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1357452285085945860?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1357452285085945860?s=19

She had a heart attack

[hater]

She had a heart attack

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

She had a heart attackOr heart failure tbh.

[Winehole23]

Alex Berenson was one of TSA's favorite COVID-debunkers. Has he taken up rumor-mongering about vaccines now?

[Winehole23]

it was more or less kismet that mRNA tech was ripe for the occasion

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/02/05/1017366/messenger-rna-vaccines-covid-hiv/

[boutons_deux]

" the “Moderna” vaccine wasn’t developed by Moderna.

The research and development of the vaccine were paid for (https://www.citizen.org/news/statement-moderna-vaccine-belongs-to-the-people/) by our U.S. taxpayer dollars, to the tune of $2.5 billion.



This isn’t Modern’s vaccine.

It is the people’s vaccine, and it’s time for the law to reflect that.

Currently, Moderna has a Trump-granted monopoly on the vaccine.

That means that they are the only company allowed to manufacture it.

The only reason there is a shortage of vaccines (https://www.laprogressive.com/warp-speed-covid-vaccine/) is that we allow this one company to create that shortage.

It is a nonsensical and corrupt situation."

https://www.laprogressive.com/moderna-vaccine

Moderna is getting paid about $70 for two doses. $14B for 200M doses

Cost to manufacture a dose? (taxpayers paid for R&D)

[DarrinS]

What are they doing in India?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

That country has a population just under 1.4B people. They should be fucked.

Did they have mass distribution of a cheap and effective medicine that works for prophylaxis and as treatment? (Ivermectin?)

[ChumpDumper]

Better ventilation.

[hater]

What are they doing in India?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

That country has a population just under 1.4B people. They should be fucked.

Did they have mass distribution of a cheap and effective medicine that works for prophylaxis and as treatment? (Ivermectin?)

they arent fat fucks to start with

[pgardn]

What are they doing in India?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

That country has a population just under 1.4B people. They should be fucked.

Did they have mass distribution of a cheap and effective medicine that works for prophylaxis and as treatment? (Ivermectin?)

Just part of a guess but Im thinking the indoor air conditioning (that they dont have) and spending time outside which is more prevalent.
It becomes more apparent this virus spreads very well in dry air which most colder air is. Inside, even better.
They must have some cities with colder environs inside with people coming and going. I would like to see the comparisons.

I am also very surprised. The probably also dont have accurate numbers... but still.

[DarrinS]

they arent fat fucks to start with

True, but doesn't explain it

[hater]

True, but doesn't explain it

Possibly corona likes them fat and fluffy like the Wolf from the 3 little piggies imo

Indians are mostly skin and bones. Also many vegetarian, dont eat beef, eat spicy. Maybe all that combination.

[pgardn]

True, but doesn't explain it

Im definitely not going with your med.

[pgardn]

:lol its peegarded

He will probably claim Putins KGB infiltrated the Lancet :lmao

1 study dumbfck... And the guy who thinks the CIA runs the NY Times yet still quotes the Times?
The Lancet is fine. Read it. And tell me what it says. And who they are using for the info.

1 study not good enough for you in the US but youll take in for Putin.

Once that little man took his shirt off and showed you his nipple it was all over.

[pgardn]

Possibly corona likes them fat and fluffy like the Wolf from the 3 little piggies imo

Indians are mostly skin and bones. Also many vegetarian, dont eat beef, eat spicy. Maybe all that combination.

How about own hotels and convenience stores in the US? That combination.

[DarrinS]

Im definitely not going with your med.

Free country, but you should examine all the data before taking "my" med.

[DarrinS]

Also look at Fluvoxamine

[boutons_deux]

Both mRNA vaccines protect against emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210209/Both-mRNA-vaccines-protect-against-emerging-variants-of-SARS-CoV-2.aspx

[DarrinS]

Both mRNA vaccines protect against emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210209/Both-mRNA-vaccines-protect-against-emerging-variants-of-SARS-CoV-2.aspx


Probably pained you to post this

[ChumpDumper]

Free country, but you should examine all the data before taking "my" med.Hydroxychloroquine is still your med.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1357452285085945860?s=19

And the communists have granted the drug companies blanket immunity.

[hater]

And the communists have granted the drug companies blanket immunity.

Dont disagree

U should watch the interview of the Johnson & Johnson CEO yesterday on MSNBC

He said there is no choice but we will have yearly shots of the covid "vaccine" like a flu shot for years and year to come

He could not contain himself saying it and was giddy like a virgin at a high school prom :lol

[pgardn]

Free country, but you should examine all the data before taking "my" med.

Widely available in India and working.

OkY......

[pgardn]

And the communists have granted the drug companies blanket immunity.

definitely not coincidence with millions of people getting the vaccine worldwide.

I mean people just don’t die for other reasons... by the way she also saw a red bird before she died, are there any Cardinals in your area?

[boutons_deux]

U.S. FDA gearing up for rapid review of potential COVID-19 booster shots

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is planning a rapid review process for quick turnaround of new COVID-19 booster shots if variants of the coronavirus emerge against which the vaccines do not provide protection,

if new variants of the coronavirus emerge that require booster shots or changes to vaccines,

the agency will not require the type of large trials that were required for emergency use authorization or approval.

Pfizer Inc and German partner BioNTech SE as well as Moderna Inc, ... have said they are preparing for the possibility that variants will emerge that could require a booster shot.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-fda/u-s-fda-gearing-up-for-rapid-review-of-potential-covid-19-booster-shots-idUSKBN2A5086

goddamn, sure looks like the professionals and adults are in charge again.

[boutons_deux]

Boston Globe email

Threat posed by South African COVID-19 strain likely to boost J&J’s vaccine application






Johnson & Johnson's vaccine has the highest proven efficacy against a worrisome virus variant










When drug regulators meet later this month to decide whether to let Johnson & Johnson roll out the nation’s third COVID-19 vaccine,

the pharmaceutical giant will almost certainly tout an increasingly important selling point:

its one-shot vaccine has the highest proven efficacy against a worrisome virus variant that emerged in South Africa and has reached the United States.

That’s the view of several vaccine experts interviewed after the government of South Africa this week abandoned plans to use a rival vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford.

[boutons_deux]

As if the maskless FreeDUMB covidiots didn't have enough brain damage

Coronavirus may infect key brain cells, causing neurons to die

https://www.livescience.com/astrocytes-coronavirus-infection.html

[DarrinS]

great

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/covid-vaccine-jj-ceo-says-people-may-get-annual-shots-for-the-next-several-years.html

[Winehole23]

great

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/covid-vaccine-jj-ceo-says-people-may-get-annual-shots-for-the-next-several-years.htmluncontrolled nationwide transmission promotes endemic disease, hadn't you heard?

[hater]

uncontrolled nationwide transmission promotes endemic disease, hadn't you heard?

This is a very good and sad point.

Had we ALL (including europe) done what china, australia and new zeland did. Would we be looking at these years of shots or would we be almost done w this virus?

I think the latter.

[DarrinS]

uncontrolled worldwide transmission promotes endemic disease, hadn't you heard?

Fify

[Winehole23]

FifyUSA=/=the rest of the world

[boutons_deux]

Zuid Afrika variant now in SFO

[DarrinS]

USA=/=the rest of the world

Its a worldwide pandemic

[pgardn]

My wife got the Moderna second yesterday with zero symptoms as far as she can tell, she feels fine, back to work..

I therefore declare vaccines safe for all of humanity.

- Hater school of Medical reasoning

[Winehole23]

Its a worldwide pandemicA few countries successfully contained it; many have done a better job at managing their caseload, mitigating the chance that COVID-19 would become endemic. The US isn't one of those countries.

The US not a COVID-19 leader in a good way, we're the still the epicenter of the ease. Not uniquely bad in the global context, but only four countries with more than 20 million people have had more deaths per million.

[hater]

A few countries successfully contained it; many have done a better job at managing their caseload, mitigating the chance that COVID-19 would become endemic. The US isn't one of those countries.

The US not a COVID-19 leader in a good way, we're the still the epicenter of the ease. Not uniquely bad in the global context, but only four countries with more than 20 million people have had more deaths per million.

In terms of deaths yes US is pathetic

But in terms of oreventing the disease bevoming endemic, 95%+ countries in the world failed at this.

Sure US is to blame at top of the list as they should have led the world and organized everyone being the richest country in the world.

Instead US pathetically failed in the leadership role. Europe is a close 2nd. Pathetic utterly inept bastards. The West has proven they alone cannot lead the world. We need multipolarity bringing in china, russia, etc to share leadership roles.

[SnakeBoy]

My wife got the Moderna second yesterday with zero symptoms as far as she can tell, she feels fine, back to work..

I therefore declare vaccines safe for all of humanity.

- Hater school of Medical reasoning

She's fine now but what about 5 years from now? Or 10 years from now? Best to wait for those studies to be safe.

[baseline bum]

She's fine now but what about 5 years from now? Or 10 years from now? Best to wait for those studies to be safe.

I always lol at this line of reasoning. What about significant case of COVID and what it means to your body 5 years from now? Or 10 years from now?

[baseline bum]

My wife got the Moderna second yesterday with zero symptoms as far as she can tell, she feels fine, back to work..

I therefore declare vaccines safe for all of humanity.

- Hater school of Medical reasoning

Nice. I had a mild headache from Pfizer 1 the night after getting it, will hopefully get Pfizer 2 next week.

[hater]

1 year nancies. I said 1 year then Ill pick the winning vaccine.

Thanks for volunteering your bodies to make my decision very educated :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

1 year nancies. I said 1 year then Ill pick the winning vaccine.

Thanks for volunteering your bodies to make my decision very educated :lmao

lol calling people nancies. Old ladies are braver than you :lol

[pgardn]

She's fine now but what about 5 years from now? Or 10 years from now? Best to wait for those studies to be safe.

Well this one was a little rushed.
For a reason. This is not the flu virus.
Waddya think?

And if you can get me in for a couple of punctures ASAP Id be thankful.
You can keep the hydroxychloroquine in your med cabinet, I'll pass thanks.

[pgardn]

Nice. I had a mild headache from Pfizer 1 the night after getting it, will hopefully get Pfizer 2 next week.

Good deal.

Im way way in the back of the line it looks like.
I really wanted to get into airports and on planes but that aint gonna happen.
And I hate driving long distance to use vacation time.

[pgardn]

Well this one was a little rushed.
For a reason. This is not the flu virus.
Waddya think?

And if you can get me in for a couple of punctures ASAP Id be thankful.
You can keep the hydroxychloroquine in your med cabinet, I'll pass thanks.

You cornered the market on Nicorette gum or whatever?

[SnakeBoy]

Well this one was a little rushed.
For a reason. This is not the flu virus.
Waddya think?


It's not a flu virus. It's a common cold virus.

[pgardn]

It's not a flu virus. It's a common cold virus.

The Common cold is caused by a number of virusES.
Waddya think?

[hater]

lol calling people nancies. Old ladies are braver than you :lol

Thanks for your body, Nancy.

Please post updates how the vaccine is treating you :lol

[pgardn]

Thanks for your body, Nancy.

Please post updates how the vaccine is treating you :lol

Wish I could post updates.

You have all sorts of channels, so... have you got the Roosky vaccine so you can trumpet how well you are?

[boutons_deux]

Biden says US will have enough COVID-19 vaccines for every American by end of July

Though that doesn't necessarily mean everyone will receive their vaccines by then.


https://www.cnet.com/health/biden-says-us-will-have-enough-covid-19-vaccines-for-every-american-by-end-of-july

[pgardn]

Biden says US will have enough COVID-19 vaccines for every American by end of July

Though that doesn't necessarily mean everyone will receive their vaccines by then.


https://www.cnet.com/health/biden-says-us-will-have-enough-covid-19-vaccines-for-every-american-by-end-of-july


We need to get kids fully into school next fall.
This not attending school has very long tendrils that reach into economics, mental health, effective learning, etc...
I would delay school until we can get the kids back in, go into that next summer if necessary. This is way too hard on families.

Both political groups are for helping families so lets get this done.

[DarrinS]

Got my mom an appointment, finally. Had to work the social network channels though. Whatever works

[DarrinS]

India is still a curious case study

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-coronavirus-cases/2021/02/04/d7f92f72-6562-11eb-bab8-707f8769d785_story.html

[pgardn]

Got my mom an appointment, finally. Had to work the social network channels though. Whatever works

Good for you!

Excellent stuff.

[pgardn]

India is still a curious case study

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/india-coronavirus-cases/2021/02/04/d7f92f72-6562-11eb-bab8-707f8769d785_story.html

One I did not even think about.
Age distribution. They have a very young population compared to us.

[DarrinS]

Good for you!

Excellent stuff.

Thanks. Gotta get these old people the shot. They are primarily the ones dying alone with this disease.

I'm more than happy to wait until summer or fall for mine.

[pgardn]

Thanks. Gotta get these old people the shot. They are primarily the ones dying alone with this disease.

I'm more than happy to wait until summer or fall for mine.

Well thats got to be a load off you.
Good job.

[baseline bum]

Got my mom an appointment, finally. Had to work the social network channels though. Whatever works

Glad to hear, gotta be a weight off your mind to not have to compete for a slot for her now.

[DarrinS]

Glad to hear, gotta be a weight off your mind to not have to compete for a slot for her now.

It's a major relief. The process they have right now really sucks. Hope it gets better.

For now, just gotta survive this fucked up ice storm coming our way.

[baseline bum]

It's a major relief. The process they have right now really sucks. Hope it gets better.

For now, just gotta survive this fucked up ice storm coming our way.

I just know we're going to get shitty sleet instead of fun-ass snow on Monday too. :lol

[DarrinS]

I just know we're going to get shitty sleet instead of fun-ass snow on Monday too. :lol

This city it always fucked when we have rain and then a freeze. Stay off the overpasses.

The only time I remember legit snow in SA was 1985.

[baseline bum]

This city it always fucked when we have rain and then a freeze. Stay off the overpasses.

The only time I remember legit snow in SA was 1985.

That shit was awesome in 85, but we had about 3 - 3.5 inches two or three years ago in December too. Enough that I was having snowball fights with the neighbors and teaching my next door neighbor's daughters how to make snow angels (and immediately regretting it when the stuff melted on my back :lol)

[TDMVPDPOY]

my state down here just announce a fkn 5 days hard lockdown due to spread of the new strain ccp virus...what a crock of shit, this is what happens when the stupid govt fed/state allows international return/arrivals flights and stupid international sporting events to occur at the expense of the general population...

regarding hotel quarantine is a load of horseshit, why dont they quarantine them on an island or someshit, fkn clowns who return dont give a shit if they are spreading it...fck those selfish cunts

[DarrinS]

my state down here just announce a fkn 5 days hard lockdown due to spread of the new strain ccp virus...what a crock of shit, this is what happens when the stupid govt fed/state allows international return/arrivals flights and stupid international sporting events to occur at the expense of the general population...

regarding hotel quarantine is a load of horseshit, why dont they quarantine them on an island or someshit, fkn clowns who return dont give a shit if they are spreading it...fck those selfish cunts

Your country has been kicking ass against covid

[DarrinS]

That shit was awesome in 85, but we had about 3 - 3.5 inches two or three years ago in December too. Enough that I was having snowball fights with the neighbors and teaching my next door neighbor's daughters how to make snow angels (and immediately regretting it when the stuff melted on my back :lol)

It was mostly ice pellets in my part of town

[Winehole23]

This city it always fucked when we have rain and then a freeze. Stay off the overpasses.

The only time I remember legit snow in SA was 1985.it was like, a whole foot of snow.

[DarrinS]

Ivermectin paper

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3765018

[TDMVPDPOY]

Biden says US will have enough COVID-19 vaccines for every American by end of July

Though that doesn't necessarily mean everyone will receive their vaccines by then.


https://www.cnet.com/health/biden-says-us-will-have-enough-covid-19-vaccines-for-every-american-by-end-of-july

vaccine for every american...doesnt include those living illegally in america with no paperwork..they can start with the prison system, purge them places

[Winehole23]

One dose of the Pfizer vaccine is reportedly 93% effective, it’s recommended that the protocol be switched to one dose. Could be a game changer.

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[pgardn]

One dose of the Pfizer vaccine is reportedly 93% effective, it’s recommended that the protocol be switched to one dose. Could be a game changer.

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Excellent news!

[DarrinS]

I usually prefer two shots. :lol

Good news tho. Thanks for that

[SnakeBoy]

The Common cold is caused by a number of virusES.
Waddya think?

I think SARS-CoV-2 will be another one once the population isn't naive to it anymore

[Winehole23]

Humidity is inversely correlated with COVID-19 transmissibility. We also know masking mitigates viral load, which has been correlated with disease severity. Because masking hydrates the respiratory tract and promotes mucociliary clearance of pathogens from the lungs, masking may have therapeutic value post-infection as well.

https://www.cell.com/biophysj/pdf/S0006-3495(21)00116-8.pdf

[Winehole23]

Reports of Anaphylaxis After Receipt of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in the US—December 14, 2020-January 18, 2021 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776557)



Continued safety monitoring of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in the US has confirmed that anaphylaxis following vaccination is a rare event, with rates of 4.7 cases/million Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doses administered and 2.5 cases/million Moderna vaccine doses administered, based on information through January 18, 2021. When considered in the context of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19,the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risk of anaphylaxis, which is treatable. Because of the acute, life-threatening nature of anaphylaxis, immediate epinephrine administration is indicated for all cases.

[boutons_deux]

Scarcity of niche biotech ingredients

Lipid nanoparticles for RNA vaccines were used in small quantities a year ago.

Now Pfizer and Moderna can’t get enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/18/vaccine-fat-lipids-supply

last year it was medical glass containers

[boutons_deux]

The COVID-19 vaccines are proving incredibly effective.

Here's why experts are downplaying the success.

getting the first dose reduced the risk of hospitalization by up to 85 percent and 94 percent (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1363798720144408578), respectively, after four weeks —

even as a new, more transmissible variant became dominant.

Still, the message a lot of people hear about the vaccines, ... is that

"the coronavirus vaccines aren't 100 percent effective.

Vaccinated people may still be contagious.

And the virus variants may make everything worse. ...

The vaccine is not a get-out-of-COVID-free card!"

That type of "vaccine alarmism" ...

feeding the sizable share of Americans who say they would turn down a vaccine "partly because it sounds so ineffectual."

https://theweek.com/speedreads/968192/covid19-vaccines-are-proving-incredibly-effective-heres-why-experts-are-downplaying-success

[boutons_deux]

Boston Globe email --

Johnson & Johnson’s one-shot vaccine appears to provide more protection against virus variants than the company first reported

Johnson & Johnson’s one-shot COVID-19 vaccine appears to provide more protection against worrisome virus variants than the drug giant initially reported,

according to new trial data released in advance of a Friday advisory panel meeting on whether to recommend the vaccine as the third cleared for emergency use in the US.

Company briefing documents posted on the Food and Drug Administration website Wednesday indicate

the vaccine was 68 percent effective at preventing moderate to severe disease caused by the dominant variant in Brazil and

64 percent effective against the dominant variant in South Africa.

[boutons_deux]

New coronavirus variant spotted in California raises alarm

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/world/coronavirus-newsletter-02-24-21-intl/index.html

[Winehole23]

COVAX dellivers to Ghana

https://apnews.com/article/ghana-first-covax-vaccine-f8058eed5b2935d1d22931ef321e807b