Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[spurraider21]

Shapiro talks way too fast, seems like a debater, like Hitchens without the clever one liners and polished retorts (and slow, perfect speech pattern and English accent). He doesn't strike me as someone who says things based on facts, but based on popularity of commentary.
shapiro is the dumb person's idea of what a smart person is... at least with respect to his political commentary. he's definitely a smart person, his academic career speaks to that. but his public persona, the political character... not so much

[DarrinS]

Nothing too exotic there besides the off-label Ivermectin. Looks like you need a prescription for that. Having looked it up and skimmed over a few things, I'd definitely want to talk to my doc before taking it. Everything else there is an OTC supplement or standard advice to mask up and social distance.

I see no info about Quercitin under the "Medical evidence" tab at the link you posted, what does it do for COVID? it's a bit of a red flag for me that FLCCC Alliance would recommend it without including any information about what it does for COVID-19 on its website.

Quercitin is a zinc ionophore, i.e., lets zinc into cells.

I have the full protocol, sans the Ivermectin.

Since I already went through very mild case of covid, I'm saving it for any older relative who may start showing symptoms.

[DarrinS]

"When I looked at it, I thought it was actually not very evidence based," says Michelle Gong, MD, chief of the Division of Critical Care Medicine at Montefiore Health System in New York City. "It is not something I would recommend for my doctors to do outside of a clinical trial."

The protocol authors push back against the necessity and feasibility of randomized control trials.

There is no time for a randomized control trial right now, says Jose Iglesias, DO, associate professor at Hackensack Meridian School of Medicine at Seton Hall and critical care specialist at Community Medical Center and Jersey Shore University Medical Center in New Jersey. "Time is limited. We're busy bedside clinicians taking care of patients, and patients who are dying."


Good read...

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934083#vp_1


I couldn't read much of the article (wanted me to register), but I'd like to read it.

[ElNono]

I couldn't read much of the article (wanted me to register), but I'd like to read it.

uh? No paywall here.

[DarrinS]

uh? No paywall here.

Could be the browser I'm using

[ElNono]

I'm running uBlockOrigin, maybe that's it

[DarrinS]

I'm running uBlockOrigin, maybe that's it

I'll try on my pc later. I'm using a cheap tablet right now.

[boutons_deux]

off-label Ivermectin

From India, cheap

https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ivermectin

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397

[Winehole23]

From India, cheap

https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=ivermectin

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397Yeah, Ivermectin has been a billion dollar a year drug for 20 years. Go to drug for various kinds of worms and parasites for man and beast.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/130869505_10101143770107866_5018401302753081848_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=c4T3l6ykXngAX_bLBIM&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=5514cb2c7b9536ee47135559bcb76d1a&oe=5FFB7F89

[SnakeBoy]

Nothing too exotic there besides the off-label Ivermectin. Looks like you need a prescription for that. Having looked it up and skimmed over a few things, I'd definitely want to talk to my doc before taking it. Everything else there is an OTC supplement or standard advice to mask up and social distance.


It's readily available at feed stores. I use the pour-on for my chickens but you'd probably want the apple flavored paste.

https://www.sstack.com/images/XXL/25400.jpg

I'd recommend adding cinnamon and sugar

[Winehole23]

It's readily available at feed stores. I use the pour-on for my chickens but you'd probably want the apple flavored paste.I don't take medical advice from strangers online, but you're sweet to think of me. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It's readily available at feed stores. I use the pour-on for my chickens but you'd probably want the apple flavored paste.

https://www.sstack.com/images/XXL/25400.jpg

I'd recommend adding cinnamon and sugar:lol SnakeBoy ate horse worm medicine.

[koriwhat]

are you going to break out your mma skills on him during the drive?

I was never into MMA. You're a lame troll tbh.


Dude is a 90lb kid. I would literally break him in 10 seconds. :lol

You're nothing but talk bro and I'm no kid. :tu

[koriwhat]

seemingly every belief/opinion that you share is right wing. that you go do bongino for actual information instead of parody is also telling

I wouldn't doubt you love all those late night shows like Colbert and you have the gall... Bongino at least has some life experience especially as an ex Secret Service member and ex NYPD cop. What's your life experience outside claiming to be a lawyer while wasting 24/7 on ST?

As well, list my beliefs/opinions you claim are so right wing. You want others to perceive myself as you do by labeling me as such. You're a fraud bro.

God bless you but you're on the wrong side of history and your constant propaganda means nothing to me.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't doubt you love all those late night shows like Colbert and you have the gall... Bongino at least has some life experience especially as an ex Secret Service member and ex NYPD cop. What's your life experience outside claiming to be a lawyer while wasting 24/7 on ST?

As well, list my beliefs/opinions you claim are so right wing. You want others to perceive myself as you do by labeling me as such. You're a fraud bro.

God bless you but you're on the wrong side of history and your constant propaganda means nothing to me.
we've had this exercise before

you told me that you were a REAL liberal and not a fake one like todays liberals

i then asked you what REAL liberal positions were and you just started citing conservative positions :lol

[koriwhat]

are you going to break out your mma skills on him during the drive?


we've had this exercise before

you told me that you were a REAL liberal and not a fake one like todays liberals

i then asked you what REAL liberal positions were and you just started citing conservative positions :lol

I was never a liberal tbh. Liberalism turns into progressivism which in turn is nothing more than an ideology to silence others and ends up leading to full on authoritarianism.

However, I did vote for Obama and I did so because I didn't follow politics whatsoever, was in college during his 2008 run, and listened to my boss to go vote because he was paying me on the clock to do so. I was ignorant to politics and the world around me tbh.

I have always been more libertarian if I have to pick a label though I feel like libertarians are somewhat spineless just like progressives. Real liberals, which were basically just patriotic Americans, lost that identity many decades ago when the progressives took over that party.

I hold many positions left, center, and right but your perception of me is clearly one out of dislike. You're like the rest here which is being a tribalist and so be it.

[clambake]

We’re not tribalism people, we’re anti cult people, joey

[spurraider21]

I was never a liberal tbh.


i was a liberal before you radicals, not necessarily you, took over. thanks for showing me the light! :tu

what are your thoughts on...

universal healthcare
abortion
tougher voter id laws
social welfare programs
school choice/vouchers
covid response
the outcome of the 2020 election
legalization of marijuana
the 2017 tax cuts
transgender protections

[SnakeBoy]

:lol SnakeBoy ate horse worm medicine.

Is that what you got from the post?

[Winehole23]

Not giving landlords and job creators a cut would be socialism. Sorry, I don't make the rules!

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[ChumpDumper]

Is that what you got from the post?

How else would you know how it tastes?

[SnakeBoy]

I don't take medical advice from strangers online, but you're sweet to think of me. :lol

Then why do you keep talking about deworming yourself on a public forum?

[Winehole23]

Then why do you keep talking about deworming yourself on a public forum?I wasn't, I was talking to Darrin about his protocol and asking questions about it. :lol

[DarrinS]

I wasn't, I was talking to Darrin about his protocol and asking questions about it. :lol

It's not "my" protocol


It's theirs -> https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/the-flccc-physicians/

[koriwhat]

what are your thoughts on...

universal healthcare
abortion
tougher voter id laws
social welfare programs
school choice/vouchers
covid response
the outcome of the 2020 election
legalization of marijuana
the 2017 tax cuts
transgender protections

I actually typed out a response for all bullet points but got to thinking... Yall aren't transparent and I never demand anything from yall so kick rocks bro! :tu

[Splits]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/ec/74/d6ec741088d4101a1d692a26ebf03715.gif

[Winehole23]

It's not "my" protocol


It's theirs -> https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/the-flccc-physicians/I was speaking colloquially, not giving attribution and you know this: I asked you about information on the website. :lol

[DarrinS]

I was speaking colloquially, not giving attribution and you know this: I asked you about information on the website. :lol

Why don't you go read it for yourself?

[Winehole23]

Why don't you go read it for yourself?I did, even asked questions about it.

Have you been hitting the reefer too? :smokin

[DarrinS]

Check out these "home isolation kits" they've been distributing in parts of India since mid-October

https://www.goa.gov.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Home-Isolation-Monitoring-Kits-For-COVID-19-Launched.pdf

[DarrinS]

I did, even asked questions about it.

Have you been hitting the reefer too? :smokin

The only question you asked me, I already answered.

[Winehole23]

Check out these "home isolation kits" they've been distributing in parts of India since mid-October

https://www.goa.gov.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Home-Isolation-Monitoring-Kits-For-COVID-19-Launched.pdfWisht our government would do*something like* that.

The great USA bested by India too.

[Winehole23]

The only question you asked me, I already answered.Cool, man. Are you done griping about nothing? :lol

[tholdren]

Wisht our government would do*something like* that.

The great USA bested by India too.

Loloooooooooo9


You need a vax

[ChumpDumper]

Loloooooooooo9


You need a vaxYou need to volunteer in a COVID ward without a mask.

[Ef-man]

Loloooooooooo9


You need a vax
Wh did the foldren cross the road? To fold on the other side. Lame joke like foldren, sad but true.

[tholdren]

You need to volunteer in a COVID ward without a mask.
Lololpoppoppppplpoolloollok

Cryboi needs a vax

[Ef-man]

Lololpoppoppppplpoolloollok

Cryboi needs a vax

Soifolding foldren folding again.

[ChumpDumper]

Lololpoppoppppplpoolloollok

Cryboi needs a vax:lol you folded again

Why are you so afraid?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo_EC8MW4AIMByM?format=jpg&name=medium

[tholdren]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo_EC8MW4AIMByM?format=jpg&name=medium

only need a vax if your 65 plus.

[Ef-man]

Soifolding foldren folding again.

[ChumpDumper]

only need a vax if your 65 plus.:lol accountant trying to be a doctor

[boutons_deux]

Yet another thread gone to piss and shit

[tholdren]

:lol accountant trying to be a doctor

Retired

[Winehole23]

Here comes the Moderna vaccine

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[DarrinS]

Here comes the Moderna vaccine

1338865833729114113


And easier storage requirements

[boutons_deux]

if these two vaccines and others cobbled together in a only few months really work with no long-term negatives, then it's fucking wonderful, when vaccines usually take 5 - 10 years

[Winehole23]

if these two vaccines and others cobbled together in a only few months really work with no long-term negatives, then it's fucking wonderful, when vaccines usually take 5 - 10 yearsHow long have virologists been studying coronaviruses and wargaming countermeasures?

[DarrinS]

Some nasal spray therapeutics

https://www.cureus.com/articles/43909-potential-role-of-xylitol-plus-grapefruit-seed-extract-nasal-spray-solution-in-covid-19-case-series

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/10.1001/jamaoto.2020.3053?guestAccessKey=be5cdce4-9e24-42c3-a691-ae047e311256&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091720

[Winehole23]

Some nasal spray therapeutics

https://www.cureus.com/articles/43909-potential-role-of-xylitol-plus-grapefruit-seed-extract-nasal-spray-solution-in-covid-19-case-series

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/10.1001/jamaoto.2020.3053?guestAccessKey=be5cdce4-9e24-42c3-a691-ae047e311256&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=091720%0.5 Povidone Iodine solution, be fucking careful y'all

[SnakeBoy]

Here comes the Moderna vaccine

1338865833729114113


Our protocol-specified analysis on the efficacy against asymptomatic infection was not available at the time of the EUA submission. However, we did collect pre-dose 1 and pre-dose 2 nasopharyngeal swabs for SARS-CoV-2 virus and have performed a descriptive summary comparing the number of positive swabs at the pre-dose 2 timepoint in baseline seronegative participants to get an early idea on the possibility of prevention of asymptomatic infection. Amongst baseline negative participants, 14 in the vaccine group and 38 in the placebo group had evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection at the second dose without evidence of COVID-19 symptoms.

Those numbers are too small to make any conclusion about transmission. Best that can be said is maybe it slows transmission but certainly does not prevent it.

[Winehole23]

Seems like the moderna has too many benefits. Im taking this one.That's basically what this guy says (thinks it's amazing and as many people as possible should get it) but he also thinks Moderna is not being candid about the incidence of Bell's Palsy. Even if the vaccine is great, manufacturers need to be upfront about risks.

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[hater]

Seems like the moderna has too many benefits. Im taking this one.

Lol choosing vaccines by press release surfing :lol

[Winehole23]

:cry profits would be somewhat diminished and we would be afraid to make life-saving medicine in the future :cry

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1338909169064304644

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131892031_1116853458744247_695471848001928725_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=nCG7x7jgGKoAX-_TtmH&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=7cd8affc32137c19b2170ce925921de0&oe=6000D419

[boutons_deux]

:cry profits would be somewhat diminished and we would be afraid to make life-saving medicine in the future :cry

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1338909169064304644

Here's Paul Samuelson, Nobel winner, telling companies, in 1970, that

they have NO obligation to anything but profit

“Professor Samuelson, is it really a finding of economics that

corporations should solely maximize, their profits,

disregarding any special obligation to the public interest or to the humanitarian"

https://www.nytimes.com/1970/12/26/archives/love-that-corporation.html

[tholdren]

Lol choosing vaccines by press release surfing :lol

Lol thinking you need a vax if you are under 60

[Ef-man]

Lol thinking you need a vax if you are under 60

With nothing to add, Foldren, the soiboi, folds as usual.

[Winehole23]

Pfizer overfilled the vials, increasing the US supply.


The Pfizer vials are supposed to hold five doses, but pharmacists have found they have enough for a sixth or even a seventh dose. Putting those into use could significantly increase the United States' scarce early supply of the shot, reducing the likelihood of a "vaccine cliff" this spring as demand outpaces supply.


Manufacturers typically overfill vaccine vials to safeguard against spills and other waste, said Erin Fox, a pharmacy expert at University of Utah who monitors drug shortages. “It’s pretty unusual to have a full extra dose or more though — but it does seem to be there!” she said in an email.


But many pharmacists, left confused without federal clarity, threw away hundreds of extra doses since vaccinations began on Monday. In Utah, Fox said, pharmacists are advised to stick to the FDA emergency use guidelines, which dictate that there are five doses.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/pfizer-vaccine-extra-doses-447117

[Winehole23]

American exceptionalism:


Pfizer could provide more than the 100 million doses it promised in its original contract with the U.S. government in the first half of next year—but only if Trump administration officials demand that suppliers of raw materials quickly fulfill the company’s orders. And CEO Albert Bourla is calling on the government to use the Defense Production Act to do just that…. The Trump administration hasn’t done so yet because they’ve focused on providing those materials to vaccine makers that did take federal R&D funding, like Moderna, according to unnamed sources who spoke to the New York Times… Pfizer requested early on that the government award it ‘favored status’ with suppliers of raw materials, but officials were afraid that would damage competing vaccine programs that did take federal R&D money, according to the Times report. Among those companies is Modernahttps://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/feds-rebuff-pfizer-s-requests-for-speedier-supplies-covid-vaccine-raw-materials-reports

[tholdren]

American exceptionalism:

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/feds-rebuff-pfizer-s-requests-for-speedier-supplies-covid-vaccine-raw-materials-reports

You dont need a vax if you're under 60

[pgardn]

You dont need a vax if you're under 60

wrong

[tholdren]

wrong

You dont need a vax if you're under 65


Fixed it

[pgardn]

You dont need a vax if you're under 65


Fixed it

wrong again.

[tholdren]

wrong again.

Nope only low iq people would get this under 60

[pgardn]

Nope only low iq people would get this under 60

wrong

[ChumpDumper]

wrong

[tholdren]

Nope only low iq people would get this under 60


Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covid

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covidwrong

[pgardn]

Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covid

wrong

[tholdren]

Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covid

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covidwrong.

[tholdren]

Don't get a vax. More side effects than if you get covid

Chumpdump thinks he's saving lives koloooooooooooookoollll

How noble


Bwahahahahahaha

[pgardn]

Chumpdump thinks he's saving lives koloooooooooooookoollll

How noble


Bwahahahahahaha

incorrect

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump thinks he's saving lives koloooooooooooookoollll

How noble


BwahahahahahahaNot noble. Practical. Like the vaccinations you got, vaxboi.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump thinks he's saving lives koloooooooooooookoollll

How noble


Bwahahahahahaha

That Thanksgiving surge
......


Loloooooooooooollkllkk


Low iq

[ChumpDumper]

That Thanksgiving surge
......


Loloooooooooooollkllkk


Low iqYep, you're as low IQ as the come.

Change your diaper.

[pgardn]

That Thanksgiving surge
......


Loloooooooooooollkllkk




Correct

[tholdren]

That Thanksgiving surge
......


Loloooooooooooollkllkk


Low iq

Bwahahababahhahahahahhahaha

[ChumpDumper]

BwahahababahhahahahahhahahaDo you have to change your own diaper?

[Winehole23]

British American Tobacco is getting into the vaccine business, just got FDA approval for human trials.


British American Tobacco has moved a step closer to producing a vaccine for coronavirus using tobacco plants (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/01/british-american-tobacco-plant-based-coronavirus-vaccine), as it won approval in the US to begin testing on humans.

The company behind cigarette brands including Lucky Strike, Rothmans and Benson & Hedges said the US Food & Drug Administration had given it clearance to begin a clinical study with adult volunteers.

While large pharmaceutical companies are already producing vaccines, BAT believes its own can be produced in six weeks, compared with the several months it takes using conventional methods.
This, the company claims, is because of proprietary technology that allows elements of the vaccine to gather quickly on tobacco plants.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/16/british-american-tobacco-approval-test-covid-vaccine-humans

[Winehole23]

BAT also says its vaccine is stable at room temperature, unlike the Pfizer/BioNTech jab (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/how-does-the-pfizerbiontech-covid-vaccine-work-and-who-will-get-it) being administered in the UK, which must be stored and transported at about -70C.


The vaccine has been developed by BAT’s biotechnology division, Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), which has previously worked on a treatment for Ebola and is also developing a seasonal flu vaccine.


BAT said KBP had cloned a portion of the genetic sequence of coronavirus and developed a potential antigen, which is then inserted into tobacco plants for reproduction.


KBP, which is based in Owensboro, Kentucky, says it can turn tobacco plants into “bio-manufacturing factories” capable of producing proteins they would not otherwise produce.


Up to 3m can be grown, harvested and processed within six weeks, meaning the relevant proteins are produced faster than traditional methods, which KBP said could take months.


The company, which was bought by BAT in 2014, says it can also temporarily encode tobacco plants with the genetic instructions to produce specific target proteins.

[Winehole23]

two Alaska nurses in one hospital had an allergic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine, out of 144 doses administered. one of them had no prior history of allergies and went into anaphylactic shock.

hopefully this is just a bad cluster.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/health/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction.html

[SnakeBoy]

two Alaska nurses in one hospital had an allergic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine, out of 144 doses administered. one of them had no prior history of allergies and went into anaphylactic shock.

hopefully this is just a bad cluster.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/health/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction.html

Doesn't sound concerning to me but I'm waiting to hear what Sarah says.

[Winehole23]

Doesn't sound concerning to me but I'm waiting to hear what Sarah says.who's Sarah?

[SnakeBoy]

who's Sarah?

C'mon Man!

[SnakeBoy]

I had the opportunity to get on the short list for the vaccine yesterday but passed.

[Winehole23]

I had the opportunity to get on the short list for the vaccine yesterday but passed.May I ask why?

[hater]

two Alaska nurses in one hospital had an allergic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine, out of 144 doses administered. one of them had no prior history of allergies and went into anaphylactic shock.

hopefully this is just a bad cluster.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/health/covid-pfizer-vaccine-allergic-reaction.html

Sounds very reassuring

[Winehole23]

Sounds very reassuringthere's not a statistically significant number of vaccinated people yet, there's no telling how it will eventually shake out.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1339293964390830081?s=19

[hater]

there's not a statistically significant number of vaccinated people yet, there's no telling how it will eventually shake out.

Exactly my point why anyone who takes it now is crazy (if young and healthy)

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1339293964390830081?s=19I could be wrong, but I think there are guidelines about remaining in place post-injection, in order to catch severe reactions.

[ChumpDumper]

I could be wrong, but I think there are guidelines about remaining in place post-injection, in order to catch severe reactions.Yep. Hang around for 15 minutes to see if something like this happens. Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me were I scheduled to get it.

[SnakeBoy]

May I ask why?

I had covid back in February so I don't think I should jump the line, better someone else gets that dose.

[SnakeBoy]

Yep. Hang around for 15 minutes to see if something like this happens. Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me were I scheduled to get it.

Take benadryl beforehand if your concerned about it.

[hater]

On a related funny note. Do NOT schedule surgery on your surgeons birthday :lmao

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4381

[boutons_deux]

Anti-Vaxxers Are Spreading a Wild Theory About 'Disappearing' COVID Vaccine Needles

Social media platforms are letting conspiracy theories about the COVID vaccine spread unchecked.

the nurses administering the vaccine were using retractable syringes, :lol

which see the needlepoint retracting into the body of the syringe once the medicine has been administered, a safety

mechanism to prevent unwanted jabs.

The conspiracy first gained traction on Twitter,

with one video clip taken from a BBC report posted on Wednesday racking up over 320,000 views to date.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp5p3/anti-vaxxers-are-spreading-a-wild-theory-about-disappearing-covid-vaccine-needles

You People are such ignorant, stupid, gullible FreeDumbfucks

[Winehole23]

Logistics furore: Feds point finger at prduction at Pfizer for reduced shipments, Pfizer says it still has millions of unclaimed doses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/17/pfizer-vaccine-supply-states/

[tholdren]

I had covid back in February so I don't think I should jump the line, better someone else gets that dose.

Wahhhhhhjhjhhhhh


You over 60? Then don't get a vax

[ChumpDumper]

Wahhhhhhjhjhhhhh


You over 60? Then don't get a vaxYou've been vaccinated several times in your life, vaxboi.

[tholdren]

Wahhhhhhjhjhhhhh


You over 60? Then don't get a vax

Only scared maskbros would feel they needed the vax

[boutons_deux]

FDA says Pfizer vaccine vials hold extra doses, expanding supply

Using every drop from overfilled vials could boost available doses by up to 40 percent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/pfizer-vaccine-extra-doses-447117

[Ef-man]

Wahhhhhhjhjhhhhh


You over 60? Then don't get a vax

Foldren is low iq, should not get vax, and should get deathly sick. Plus folds as usual.

[boutons_deux]

Logistics furore: Feds point finger at prduction at Pfizer for reduced shipments, Pfizer says it still has millions of unclaimed doses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/17/pfizer-vaccine-supply-states/

I believe Pfizer, not Trash's mafiya

[tholdren]

Only scared maskbros would feel they needed the vax

Only scared vaxbros in here

[Winehole23]

Operation Fart Speed

[ChumpDumper]

Only scared vaxbros in hereYou've been vaccinated several times.

[boutons_deux]

Research strongly suggests COVID-19 virus enters the brain

spike protein crosses the blood-brain barrier

people with COVID-19 are suffering from cognitive effects, such as brain fog and fatigue.

he SARS-CoV-2 virus, like many viruses before it, is bad news for the brain.

The spike protein, often called the S1 protein, dictates which cells the virus can enter.

"The S1 protein likely causes the brain to release cytokines and inflammatory products,"

when you have the COVID infection you have trouble breathing and that's because there's infection in your lung,

but an additional explanation is that

the virus enters the respiratory centers of the brain and causes problems there as well,"
"Many of the effects that the COVID virus has could be

accentuated or perpetuated or even caused by virus getting in the brain and

those effects could last for a very long time." aka "long haulers"

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/uowh-rss121720.php

Imagine how much more FreeDumber Trash's 74M will be after C19 is done with them

[SnakeBoy]

Wahhhhhhjhjhhhhh


You over 60? Then don't get a vax

Nope and I have no comorbidities and I tested positive for antibodies so I know I seroconverted

but why wouldn't I want an immune boost?

Vaccine...it does the body good

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131444058_1302230826814440_681143563731100076_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=goLsxWrtw3MAX-p8auJ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=102d4fa2db3977ecab830f5426b2f45a&oe=6000A499

[Winehole23]

so, wtf is up with this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epe9OK2XYAIw3wS?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

Article about Katalin Kariko, the scientist whose mRNA breakthrough made the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines possible:

https://www.statnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/WCZEKFBALHFWUCOEPKTNKFHU7E-768x512.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/21/covid-vaccine-technology-pioneer-i-never-doubted-it-would-work

[boutons_deux]

so, wtf is up with this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epe9OK2XYAIw3wS?format=jpg&name=900x900

Simplest explanation based on recent history:

Trash's mafiya are mismanaging the pandemic and vaccine distribution, while lying/slandering Pfizer as the cause.

[boutons_deux]

Their coronavirus vaccine candidate has made them billionaires.

This modest German Turkish couple doesn’t own a car.

BERLIN — At 8 p.m. Sunday #evening, the phone rang with the call Ugur Sahin, chief executive of the German medical start-up #BioNTech, had been anxiously awaiting.

“Are you sitting down?” Pfizer chief Albert Bourla asked him.

The news that followed was better than Sahin had hoped:

Preliminary analysis from Phase 3 trials of his company’s coronavirus vaccine showed 90 percent protection.

The interim results put the 55-year-old and his co-founder wife, Ozlem Tureci, in the front of the pack racing for a safe and effective vaccine.

Sahin and Tureci celebrated with cups of Turkish tea at home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coornavirus-vaccine-biontech-pfizer/2020/11/12/37acb78c-2467-11eb-9c4a-0dc6242c4814_story.html

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r6741926651866987226&th=17675df0ce2eebb8&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9wkplyKFbwuPacEAECmEjFuPQAGUYh7K2ayRY SuZsTx2a6yJV84CeAuGSHEZOpYJSD1u4MxHHWwXGxHqQIBH4AG-f7aYsPHpWJp2GHC9N5rv7I83rZ2QZ8bVE&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kiu9i6xg0

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.2&permmsgid=msg-a:r4827158218666208167&th=17675e24db6974a6&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ98U3wiBF4P6aVER0-UhQ6A9_aOcBRkvMSm3VaW4fb0Oxp6lDoCFvm-SszrtxqHukMUVDnzaF3EqeMCI5zCnuyLenITwz_bXlCh7x6Qb8 CaYrZY6U7CJ2D09WU&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kiu9mrdk1

[Winehole23]

Tucker needs to get cancelled.

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[Winehole23]

Moderna vaccine gets emergency FDA authorization:


The vaccine had an efficacy rate of 94%, which was similar across age, gender, racial and ethnic groups, and participants with underlying health conditions that increase their risks for severe COVID-19 cases.

The most common side effects included pain around the injection site (92%), fatigue (69%), headache (63%), muscle pain (60%), joint pain (45%) and chills (43%).

Moderna did not report any allergic reactions to the vaccine in its clinical trials.

There were three incidents of facial paralysis, or Bell’s palsy, reported in the group that received the vaccine and one in the group that received a placebo shot, but Moderna says it does not have enough information to confirm the vaccine caused the paralysis.

Overall, side effects were rare and occurred in 1% of the group that got the vaccine and in 1% of the group that got the placebo.



https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/coronavirus/article247915350.html

[boutons_deux]

Tucker needs to get cancelled.



Carlson, etc are money makers for the Murdochs, so he and his poison stay.

[boutons_deux]

"An apparently accidentally tweeted price list revealed

the United States is paying $19.50 a dose for the Pfizer vaccine,

while European Union countries get a discounted price of less than $15. (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2db1bf3/5fdd223b9d2fda0efb8ca024/59740db3ade4e21a8493fdae/25/60/5fdd223b9d2fda0efb8ca024)"

-- WaPo email

[Winehole23]

Rural Texas hospitals getting the shaft


Not a single rural hospital in this state that prides itself on its country roots received any doses of the vaccine this week, despite such medical outposts serving around 20% of the state’s population, or 3 million people.

Even before the pandemic, rural hospitals in Texas and many other states were operating on “skin and bones” staffing and budgets, Sprys said.

“We’re all exposed all the time,” she said. “We don’t have an isolated COVID wing or staff only dedicated to COVID unlike in larger hospitals. To not be included in the first shipment of vaccines is just so upsetting.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-rural-idUSKBN28S1AK

[Winehole23]

"it was the algo's fault" :lmao

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[boutons_deux]

shithole TX proves, repeatedly that it's a shithole by re-electing shitbags like Cruz

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Ted Cruz won’t rule out objecting to Biden’s Electoral College win, as John Cornyn calls it ‘conclusive’











https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/12/18/as-john-cornyn-calls-trumps-loss-conclusive-ted-cruz-wont-rule-out-objecting-to-electoral-college

[boutons_deux]

The Trump Administration's COVID Vaccine Rollout Is Pure Chaos

Several states have been told they will get significantly fewer doses than originally expected

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ad43m/the-trump-administrations-covid-vaccine-rollout-is-pure-chaos

[boutons_deux]

FDA approves Moderna vaccine

Trash and his incompetent mafiya will fuck up the distribution

[SnakeBoy]

Article about Katalin Kariko, the scientist whose mRNA breakthrough made the Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna vaccines possible:

https://www.statnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/WCZEKFBALHFWUCOEPKTNKFHU7E-768x512.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/21/covid-vaccine-technology-pioneer-i-never-doubted-it-would-work

Article about the man

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/covid-vaccine-weissman-pfizer-mrna

[SnakeBoy]

Nice update with info about vaccines, transmission, reinfection...and more!

Some tidbits hater will like about the vaccine. Funny he actually says the fainting nurse lied about the vaccine not hurting because it hurts apparently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XPInyUqp9I

[Winehole23]

our government has trouble counting things accurately, so it ended up giving states bad information about the rollout.


The federal government gave some states projections in mid-November that were, an official said, twice as high as the number of doses those states will end up receiving. According to a recent report (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/coronavirus/article247935785.html) by McClatchy, a Pentagon system that tracks coronavirus vaccines, Tiberius, had outdated projections in place when distribution began, muddling the process and misleading governors on how many doses their states would receive.

Some states were provided revised numbers in mid-December, according to local officials who spoke with The Daily Beast. But the current projections still are falling short of what states had, for weeks, believed they would be receiving for Pfizer’s shipments in week two.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-pfizer-vaccine-rollout-is-causing-confusion-among-states-and-there-is-no-end-in-sight?ref=home



not sure if timing of doses is quite as important as the nurse says, but you're supposed to follow the instructions for best results, right?


But if the state is getting far fewer vaccinations in the next two weeks than the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis originally planned for, she was worried that she wouldn't get her second dose in time for the vaccine to actually work.

“That’s crazy if we don’t get the next shot in time,” said the nurse, who spoke anonymously because she did not have permission from Memorial West to speak to the media. “The first vaccine only provides 50 percent immunity. If in 21 days, I can’t get the second dose, it will be a waste.”

[DarrinS]

Rural Texas hospitals getting the shaft

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-rural-idUSKBN28S1AK



It will be easier to get Moderna vaccine to rural areas, since it doesn't require exotic refrigeration.

[Winehole23]

great blocking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epin-mtXIAQxXSC?format=jpg&name=medium

[SnakeBoy]

Tucker needs to get cancelled.

1339957885241978893

lol

I actually saw that opening segment and thought wtf but if you listen beyond the edited clip he's pro vaccine and his point was big tech censorship. His entire show nowadays is just a complaint about big tech censorship and power.

[SnakeBoy]

State reviewing possible COVID-19 reinfections after 115 prisoners test positive twice
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/12/covid-coronavirus-reinfection-michigan-prisoners/3876185001/

[DarrinS]

State reviewing possible COVID-19 reinfections after 115 prisoners test positive twice
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/12/covid-coronavirus-reinfection-michigan-prisoners/3876185001/

"Gautz said all 115 prisoners who tested positive twice were asymptomatic at the time of their second diagnosis.

Sims said it's not yet known whether someone who becomes reinfected and is asymptomatic can spread the virus.

"That’s the big question that nobody knows," he said."


All it takes is some small amount of virus to be your nose to trigger PCR positive.

[SnakeBoy]

"Gautz said all 115 prisoners who tested positive twice were asymptomatic at the time of their second diagnosis.

Sims said it's not yet known whether someone who becomes reinfected and is asymptomatic can spread the virus.

"That’s the big question that nobody knows," he said."


All it takes is some small amount of virus to be your nose to trigger PCR positive.

True but if you listen to Dr Griffin update I just posted he says he's seeing reinfections, sometime worse. Mentioned one who had mild case and died 2nd infection.

more stories...
Portland metro area sees dozens of COVID-19 reinfections; health officials still learning about immunity
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-metro-area-sees-dozens-of-covid-19-reinfections-health-officials-still-learning-about-immunity/ar-BB1bZbSF?ocid=uxbndlbing

COVID-19 reinfections are uncommon, although some of these uncommon cases are reported in Amarillo
https://www.newschannel10.com/2020/12/18/covid-reinfections-are-uncommon-although-some-these-uncommon-cases-are-reported-amarillo/

[boutons_deux]

I mean if it was to get the first doses, then it's fine. It it's to grift, fuck these fuckers. :lol

USA and Europe are both getting the vaccine.

It's not a question of paying more to get it earlier.

It's simply BigPharma screwing Americans out of $100Bs while European national health systems negotiate (often MUCH) lower prices for the same drugs.

[boutons_deux]

Vaccinating Black Americans Is Essential. Key States Aren’t Doing the Work to Combat Hesitancy

States and the federal government also don’t reliably collect data so we

won’t have a good idea of whether the vaccine is reaching these critical populations.

https://www.propublica.org/article/vaccinating-black-americans#1018328

US Govt gives the tiniest shit about non-whites? :lol

[weebo]

Got vaccinated yesterday...feeling fantastic. Due back on the 6th for 2/2.

[Winehole23]

After blaming production issues at Pfizer, Operation Warp Speed admits it screwed up the rollout.

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[boutons_deux]

Stanford's vaccine distribution woes could be 'harbinger' of broader issue, left-out doctors say

Only seven of Stanford Medicine's 1,300 residents,

many of whom have regularly been on the frontlines treating COVID-19 patients, made the cut (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/18/948176807/stanford-apologizes-after-vaccine-allocation-leaves-out-nearly-all-medical-resid) to receive the medical center's firs set of coronavirus vaccine doses,

some of which went to health care workers who don't attend to coronavirus patients and

medical faculty (:lol of course) who work from home instead.

Stanford acknowledged the mistake and "profusely" apologized (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/18/stanford-hospital-protest-covid-vaccine/) ... citing an algorithmic error, :lol

https://theweek.com/speedreads/956245/stanfords-vaccine-distribution-woes-could-harbinger-broader-issue-leftout-doctors-say

As the Muslims say, "Trust in Allah, but check your algorithm output"

[tholdren]

Got vaccinated yesterday...feeling fantastic. Due back on the 6th for 2/2.

Pretty stupid. And you took someone's dose who is at risk
Great work killing an ederly person

[DarrinS]

Pretty stupid. And you took someone's dose who is at risk
Great work killing an ederly person

Health care workers are high risk group.

[tholdren]

Health care workers are high risk group.

No they aren't. They are not statistically at any more risk than the age group or comorbidity group. Use math.

[ChumpDumper]

No they aren't. They are not statistically at any more risk than the age group or comorbidity group. Use math.lol you have been vaccinated, vaxboi.

[tholdren]

No they aren't. They are not statistically at any more risk than the age group or comorbidity group. Use math.

Chumpdump lost so triggered he can't even respond without copying me.

I.feel honored

[TimDunkem]

^old man needs a vax :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump lost so triggered he can't even respond without copying me.

I.feel honoredSorry, the actual doctors and health officials know you're wrong.:tu

[TimDunkem]

F:lollden always wrong.

And was vaccinated. That's why he's lived to such an old age. :lol

[Pelicans78]

I was vaccinated 3 days ago and outside of mild soreness to my shoulder, I feel fine.

[boutons_deux]

I was vaccinated 3 days ago and outside of mild soreness to my shoulder, I feel fine.

it's the 2nd shot that kicks your ass for a day or two.

this appears to be what was described months ago about the two-immune system

The first shot (infection) gets reaction from the non-specific innate immune system, while the acquired immune system is not activated

The immune system then starts "acquiring" specific immunity so when the second shot arrives, the acquired immune aggressively attacks and you feel it.

It's the "cytokine storm" of the acquired immune system that puts people in ICU and kills them. :lol

[Winehole23]

finger tentatively pointed at polyethylene glycol sensitivity for allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine:


Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said at a press conference that the allergic reactions had been reported in more than one state, including in Alaska.

Marks also said that a chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG) that is an ingredient in the Pfizer vaccine - as well as the Moderna Inc vaccine authorized on Friday - “could be the culprit” causing the reactions.

Marks said that allergic reactions to PEG could be somewhat more common than previously understood.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-fda/fda-investigating-five-allergic-reactions-after-pfizer-shot-in-u-s-idUSKBN28T05J

[Pelicans78]

it's the 2nd shot that kicks your ass for a day or two.

this appears to be what was described months ago about the two-immune system

The first shot (infection) gets reaction from the non-specific innate immune system, while the acquired immune system is not activated

The immune system then starts "acquiring" specific immunity so when the second shot arrives, the acquired immune aggressively attacks and you feel it.

It's the "cytokine storm" of the acquired immune system that puts people in ICU and kills them. :lol

Have you taken the shot? Is that the reaction you had?

[boutons_deux]

finger tentatively pointed at polyethylene glycol sensitivity for allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-fda/fda-investigating-five-allergic-reactions-after-pfizer-shot-in-u-s-idUSKBN28T05J

https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Care-Clearlax-Polyethylene-Laxative/dp/B074F2FSX5/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAifz-BRDjARIsAEElyGKoig6booCD5zR0z7VMgODhnkR0zo-nmLVrPd91qJxouvQ98NAv-i4aAiSOEALw_wcB&hvadid=409959113491&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9028059&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=487289653718054096&hvtargid=kwd-19851664407&hydadcr=24656_11410731&keywords=polyethylene+glycol&qid=1608477502&sr=8-6&tag=googhydr-20

PEG also used to displace water in and stabilize wood to prevent warping and splitting

================

PEGylated Adenoviral Vaccines

https://www.cell.com/molecular-therapy-family/molecular-therapy/fulltext/S1525-0016(16)39559-4

===========

PEG is also anti-freeze :lol

[Winehole23]

https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Care-Clearlax-Polyethylene-Laxative/dp/B074F2FSX5/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAifz-BRDjARIsAEElyGKoig6booCD5zR0z7VMgODhnkR0zo-nmLVrPd91qJxouvQ98NAv-i4aAiSOEALw_wcB&hvadid=409959113491&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9028059&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=487289653718054096&hvtargid=kwd-19851664407&hydadcr=24656_11410731&keywords=polyethylene+glycol&qid=1608477502&sr=8-6&tag=googhydr-20

PEG also used to displace water in and stabilize wood to prevent warping and splitting

================

PEGylated Adenoviral Vaccines

https://www.cell.com/molecular-therapy-family/molecular-therapy/fulltext/S1525-0016(16)39559-4

===========

PEG is also anti-freeze :lol


you can find it in eye drops, toothpaste and personal lubricant too. myriad uses.

[Winehole23]

tempering expectations about widespread vaccination among low-risk groups: "early summer to fall"

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[Death In June]

Waited 4 hours for the vaccine yesterday. Outside of insane crowding from people who should know better, it was fine. Arm is sore.

[DarrinS]

Waited 4 hours for the vaccine yesterday. Outside of insane crowding from people who should know better, it was fine. Arm is sore.

Sounds fishy

[pgardn]

"Gautz said all 115 prisoners who tested positive twice were asymptomatic at the time of their second diagnosis.

Sims said it's not yet known whether someone who becomes reinfected and is asymptomatic can spread the virus.

"That’s the big question that nobody knows," he said."


All it takes is some small amount of virus to be your nose to trigger PCR positive.

absolutely

if this virus plays by basic viral rules.

It is worth noting that it appears this virus upped the ability to infect people

it may even be the virus in pieces these tests are picking up incapable of being transmitted and causing another infection in another person.

it really needs to be emphasized that viruses are very fragile outside of cells. and especially outside of a body. That’s what makes this virus amazing because it quite possibly can be produced in enormous loads andQuickly transmit as an aerosol or in blobs of “water”

[pgardn]

Sounds fishy

it does

people have already been vaccinated in San Antonio as early as Thursday

[boutons_deux]

tempering expectations about widespread vaccination among low-risk groups: "early summer to fall"

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The inequality of C19 vaccine availability will match or exceed the inequality of socio-economic status.

In America, if you're poor, non-white, you're fucked. It's The Real America (not the Mythical American fantasy) that intentionally fucks you, and keeps you fucked.

[pgardn]

The inequality of C19 vaccine availability will match or exceed the inequality of socio-economic status.

In America, if you're poor, non-white, you're fucked. It's The Real America (not the Mythical American fantasy) that intentionally fucks you, and keeps you fucked.

Health care people are getting it in SA.
And its not just doctors that have nothing to do with Covid patients.
Keep it coming.
I hope.

[Death In June]

Sounds fishyFishy? How so? Our largest privately owned hospital got 5,000 doses for healthcare workers.

[tholdren]

Health care people are getting it in SA.
And its not just doctors that have nothing to do with Covid patients.
Keep it coming.
I hope.

Lol you get a vax, not a vax, that isn't proven to prevent spread or infection


Get it bro!

[Ef-man]

Lol you get a vax, not a vax, that isn't proven to prevent spread or infection


Get it bro!

Ignorant foldren folds.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you get a vax, not a vax, that isn't proven to prevent spread or infection


Get it bro!You've been vaccinated over and over, vaxboi.

[TimDunkem]

Folden so old he has had every vax known to man

[tholdren]

Lol you get a vax, not a vax, that isn't proven to prevent spread or infection


Get it bro!

Yet no one argued with science just folded

[Ef-man]

Folden so old he has had every vax known to man

[Winehole23]

black box allocation by algorithm, by a private company (Palantir)

some states have their own algos for internal distribution.


In an effort to achieve its goal of inoculating 100 million Americans by Q1 2021, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services partnered with data-mining firm Palantir to develop a software platform called Tiberius (https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2446061/tiberius-platform-aids-covid-19-logistics-delivery/). Tiberius, which covers 50 states, eight territories, the Veterans Health Administration, the Bureau of Prisons, the Indian Health Service, and the departments of Defense and State, allows states and federal agencies to see health care providers enrolled in VTrckS, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) vaccine tracking system. They can also use Tiberius to make decisions about where they send the vaccine within their jurisdictions.

Each Thursday, vaccine producers inform Operation Warp Speed, the U.S. public-private COVID-19 treatment development partnership, how much vaccine is available for the upcoming week. On Friday, Tiberius runs an algorithm that draws on variables including adult population and vaccine uptake and allocates the number of doses available to every state. On Saturday, every state finalizes their orders, and deliveries arrive on Monday.

Operation Warp Speed’s chief of plans Col. Deacon Maddox has described Tiberius’ algorithm as “simple,” “equitable,” and “fair.” According to Maddox, it takes as input “risk-adjusted” manufacturing estimates, a small portion from which is subtracted to provide a “safety stock” and the remainder of which is divided by population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2018 American Community Survey and the CIA’s World Factbook.

While it’s impossible to know exactly which variables the Tiberius algorithm considers in its decisions — that information isn’t public — its reliance on U.S. census data is cause for worry. Because of time constraints, a shortage of manpower, and other confounders, the Census Bureau regularly undercounts populations in certain regions of the country.



“When I hear you’re covering 50 states and eight territories with data determined, in part, from these sources, I want to know what on earth you’re doing when some of those sources just aren’t available,” Keyes said. “Working it out on the back of an envelope? Giving up entirely? The answer might be a good one, and the approach might be the best one they can take at the time, but it’s worrisome that the answer isn’t, as far as I can tell, known.”https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/19/covid-19-vaccine-distribution-algorithms-may-cement-health-care-inequalities/

[boutons_deux]

New Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Can Directly Enter The Brain

Researchers may be one step closer to unlocking the mystery of

brain fog and "COVID dementia" caused by the coronavirus.

Evidence tying COVID-19 to a wide range of neurological effects (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-19-brain-neurological-issues_l_5fd1248ac5b61d81b33b7d78)continues to grow.

And now, a new animal study suggests the virus is capable of directly invading the brain.

The effects could be serious, leading to brain fog and something researchers call “COVID dementia.” the S1 “spike” protein that studs the SARS-CoV-2 virus is able to cross the blood-brain barrier,

the spike protein could detach and circulate, which would mean that many of the neurological effects we blame on the virus are actually due to those freed proteins,

many individuals infected with COVID-19 experience a kind of

mental fog, (https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/even-mild-cases-can-cause-covid-19-fog) struggling with attention issues, fatigue and forgetfulness.

A small study in France (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7445491/) found that nearly 35% of patients who’d been hospitalized with COVID-19 were

struggling with memory loss months later.

we can’t tell the long-term effects, because we haven’t had enough time with the virus yet,”

33 people in Germany who died from COVID-19 found that more than half of the patients had evidence of SARS-CoV-2 in their noses and their brains, suggesting the virus had directly entered.

growing range of neurological effects that appear directly linked COVID-19 infection, such as clotting (which can cause serious brain injuries).

It is also possible the brain sustains damage when an infected person’s immune system kicks into overdrive.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-evidence-suggests-covid-19-can-directly-enter-the-brain_l_5fdbfcefc5b610200988f871?ncid=newsltushpmg news

"Relax. Calm down. Chillax. It's just the flu"

[Winehole23]

all these jokers who minimize COVID-19 ignore morbidity and post-infection symptoms. the greater the case load, the longer the tail.

[boutons_deux]

all these jokers who minimize COVID-19 ignore morbidity and post-infection symptoms. the greater the case load, the longer the tail.

yep, simplistically counting only C19 dead ignores the 100Ks of survivors with a range serious, varying symptoms, including in the under-65 population.

[pgardn]

all these jokers who minimize COVID-19 ignore morbidity and post-infection symptoms. the greater the case load, the longer the tail.

because Trump did not get knocked on his ass.
too many people of all ages have said it’s a bitch on the symptoms.
much worse than the flu. recovery time much longer.

most of these people battle the virus at home, not with eight of the best nurses in the nation watching them every second and with the best drugs.

[Winehole23]

roundup of info on the various vaccines at the PLOS absolutelymaybe blog:


Main takeaways about Covid vaccines so far


There are important, often major, differences in the characteristics and effects of the vaccines.



2 vaccines have been convincingly shown to have high efficacy against getting sick with Covid-19 – BNT/Pfizer’s and NIH/Moderna’s.
There is a material difference in the rate of adverse events reported between those 2 vaccines:

Most people had adverse events after the BNT/Pfizer vaccine, but they were generally not severe;
NIH/Moderna adverse events were more frequent and severe – severe adverse events were common.


There are too many question marks around the trials of another 2 vaccines to be confident about results – Oxford/AstraZeneca’s and Sputnik V.


2 inactivated virus vaccines from Chinese are reported to have good efficacy and very low adverse events, but the data to substantiate that isn’t public. Other types of vaccines anticipated to also have low rates of adverse events don’t have phase 3 results yet either, but could be public in the next few weeks.



We don’t know to what extent being vaccinated with any of these vaccines reduces the risk of a person spreading Covid-19 if they don’t know they’re infected – but the vast majority (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3) of virus transmission is from people with symptoms.
We don’t know much about the effects of these vaccines in young children, for people on immunosuppressant medication (including steroids and cancer medications), and in pregnancy and breastfeeding. (A trial of Moderna’s vaccine in people with cancer is being discussed (https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1340350960066039809).) We don’t know how long immunity will last.


https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2020/12/20/why-two-vaccines-passed-the-finishing-line-in-a-year-and-others-didnt-and-a-month-12-roundup/

[pgardn]

Lol you get a vax, not a vax, that isn't proven to prevent spread or infection


Get it bro!

you bet I will

just like you got your old DPT. and then your tetanus booster’s
are you old enough to get your shingles vaccine because he will be whining like a little bitch when you get shingles.

[boutons_deux]

roundup of info on the various vaccines at the PLOS absolutelymaybe blog:


https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2020/12/20/why-two-vaccines-passed-the-finishing-line-in-a-year-and-others-didnt-and-a-month-12-roundup/

excellent, thanks

[pgardn]

excellent, thanks

It is.

It should be noted that this is not the way to roll out new vaccines.
But personally, give me any one of them. This was rushed but the progress is still astounding.
We have an uncontrolled fire, for right now its worth trying imo. People wont cooperate (thank you orange man for your leadership, red team, thanks) so for those individuals contacting victims everyday, the majority will take the risk.

[boutons_deux]

I read an article asking why it took CDC so long for Moderna's to be approved, when its vaccine was completed back in Feb?, IIRC.

Did Trash's sycophantic stooges in CDC sit on, slow walk Moderna to align with Trash's criminal-manslaughter-ish downplaying the risk?

[pgardn]

I read an article asking why it took CDC so long for Moderna's to be approved, when its vaccine was completed back in Feb?, IIRC.

Did Trash's sycophantic stooges in CDC sit on, slow walk Moderna to align with Trash's criminal-manslaughter-ish downplaying the risk?

THIS is what we need to find out once Biden gets in. And then those after him.
THIS needs to go along with the total mismanagement of a country in the history books.
People need to know fully and completely how bad this administration really was.

[Winehole23]

THIS is what we need to find out once Biden gets in. And then those after him.
THIS needs to go along with the total mismanagement of a country in the history books.
People need to know fully and completely how bad this administration really was.Please link your contributions here:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288525&p=10375111&viewfull=1#post10375111

[DarrinS]

I read an article asking why it took CDC so long for Moderna's to be approved, when its vaccine was completed back in Feb?, IIRC.

Did Trash's sycophantic stooges in CDC sit on, slow walk Moderna to align with Trash's criminal-manslaughter-ish downplaying the risk?

Rushing and slow walking? Which is it?

[pgardn]

Please link your contributions here:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288525&p=10375111&viewfull=1#post10375111

They had some very interesting stuff on Redfield on NPR.
I am off to work now but I will try to find it. He has some big blame in this mess iirc.

[Thanos]

https://twitter.com/scotch_rox/status/1340672855860776960?s=21

[Thanos]

https://i.ibb.co/vJyWfN1/1581-EA94-C77-F-4-B22-B5-F7-56-BBF2-DEFEAE.jpg

[tholdren]

https://twitter.com/scotch_rox/status/1340672855860776960?s=21

Lolooollollllll

Hoax.



Neahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha

[pgardn]

Lolooollollllll

Hoax.



Neahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha

Why did Pence get the vaccine?

[tholdren]

Why did Pence get the vaccine?

Don't know. He shouldn't have. Im not low iq and affiliate with a political party

[pgardn]

Don't know. He shouldn't have. Im low iq and affiliated with the red party

So why did he then?

[tholdren]

So why did he then?

Same reason you are, I suppose. Hes scared and low iq.

[pgardn]

Same reason I am, I suppose. Hes scared and low iq.

So just like Trump.

[tholdren]

So just like Trump.

You are in that group too. You do understand that?

[pgardn]

I am in that group too. I understand that

So we are clear on this.

[ChumpDumper]

lol foldren meltdown

[tholdren]

You are in that group too. You do understand that?

Bwahahahhahahahaha

Pgardn afraid of covid Nd needs a vax to feel safe. Then he tries to say that anyone who disagrees with him is a republican or a Trump fan...

How emotionally charged he is. Sad life.

[Ef-man]

lol foldren meltdown

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahahhahahahaha

Pgardn afraid of covid Nd needs a vax to feel safe. Then he tries to say that anyone who disagrees with him is a republican or a Trump fan...

How emotionally charged he is. Sad life.lol you've been vaccinated several times, vaxboi.

[Winehole23]

fuckers!

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[tholdren]

Bwahahahhahahahaha

Pgardn afraid of covid Nd needs a vax to feel safe. Then he tries to say that anyone who disagrees with him is a republican or a Trump fan...

How emotionally charged he is. Sad life.

Where are your hospital stats?


Loloooloollool


Wrong

[tholdren]

Where are your hospital stats?


Loloooloollool


Wrong

[ChumpDumper]

lol you've been vaccinated several times, vaxboi.

[benefactor]

:lol th:lolldren
:lol ducks in complete sentences

[SnakeBoy]

fuckers!

1340754095947337729

lol you just finding this out?

The $3k doesn't include the required 5 day hospital stay

Fauci still promoting it for his buddies at Gilead tho :lol

[Winehole23]

lol you just finding this out?

The $3k doesn't include the required 5 day hospital stay

Fauci still promoting it for his buddies at Gilead tho :lolAin't no joke, the people are getting ripped off, and/or our insurance companies are.

Great system we've got here, eh?

[DarrinS]

Remdesivir is expensive and doesn't work. Womp womp

[Winehole23]

Remdesivir is expensive and doesn't work. Womp wompwut?

[Winehole23]

herd immunity for COVID-19 may be considerably higher than early estimates of 60-70%

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html

[Winehole23]

100 million vaccines by years end --> 40 million vaccines --> 20 million vaccines --> 2.1 million people have received their first dose as of today

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html


The federal government said Monday that it has delivered more than 11.4 million doses to states, territories and federal agencies.



is responsibility for the rollout being dumped on the states without federal help, like we did with testing and contact tracing?

was there no planning for logistics and infrastructure? at the current rate of vaccination, we'll reach herd immunity in ~10 years.

just wondering.

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

1343954686106341376

for-profit health care didn't really exist in 1947.

Now, hospitals are operated to the "just in time" bone in staffing and equipment to increase payouts to investors, which includes the hatchet men CEOs hacking health care for profits, not for health care.

The for-profit health care wealth-sucking racket, is just one of the many rackets throughout USA that are untouchable, unstoppable.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[Winehole23]

anecdotal, but entirely plausible

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqcZO-WXYAEDalo?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

This was the one thing Trump & Co. had control over, and they botched it.

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[DarrinS]

Vaccinations just got started. The process will be more efficient moving forward. Quit being such a negative sourpuss and be happy that a vaccine even exists.

[Winehole23]

Vaccinations just got started. The process will be more efficient moving forward. Quit being such a negative sourpuss and be happy that a vaccine even exists.I'll keep my own counsel, thanks.

I see you're still very touchy about Trump's incompetence and maladminstration. Truly the gift that keeps on giving...tombstone after tombstone.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfcGLoA1g8Q

[DMC]

I'll keep my own counsel, thanks.

I see you're still very touchy about Trump's incompetence and maladminstration. Truly the gift that keeps on giving...tombstone after tombstone.

:lol when anyone points out your generalized anxiety disorder, you counter with MAGAtard.

[DarrinS]

Remember this guy? I'm glad he was wrong.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuOqde6YrxI

[pgardn]

If anyone reads the article from the New Yorker Chump put up you will have to root for some of these guys who spend their lives on these types of problems and love it.
I am so excited this may actually work despite all the bungling and really outright attempts to down play this virus.

Biden better take a good look at what happened and see how important our abilities are and where our weaknesses are in biology. And this anti Science anti expertise mentality has got to end. Its ok to question if you actually understand what you are talking about, but when Brix has to come out and state Trump is very competent in his understanding of this problem.... we have a problem. Fckn fool had it laid out for him from Obama's task force and he just neglected it and it led to way too may people dying and getting sick for a supposed world leader in molecular biology and diseases. It was/is deadly and embarrassing.

[pgardn]

Remember this guy? I'm glad he was wrong.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuOqde6YrxI

The very best people will be wrong as well. And he may still be correct about having a problem examining how well it really works.
But you dont axe them when they understand where they went wrong and fix it.
If there is a scientist who has said he has never made a mistake or a bad estimation in his career he is a liar.
I know this is difficult to understand for people who worshipped a businessman who is the biggest and bestest at everything.

[Winehole23]

:lol when anyone points out your generalized anxiety disorder, you counter with MAGAtard.I have a special file for unsolicited diagnosis.

Yours is off, I don't have an anxiety disorder, just a wide ranging interest in current affairs.

You do seem to have an aversion to negative information, though. What's up with that?

Allergic to bad news?

[boutons_deux]

If anyone reads the article from the New Yorker Chump put up you will have to root for some of these guys who spend their lives on these types of problems and love it.
I am so excited this may actually work despite all the bungling and really outright attempts to down play this virus.

Biden better take a good look at what happened and see how important our abilities are and where our weaknesses are in biology. And this anti Science anti expertise mentality has got to end. Its ok to question if you actually understand what you are talking about, but when Brix has to come out and state Trump is very competent in his understanding of this problem.... we have a problem. Fckn fool had it laid out for him from Obama's task force and he just neglected it and it led to way too may people dying and getting sick for a supposed world leader in molecular biology and diseases. It was/is deadly and embarrassing.

Mostly agree with all of that, but w/o Senate control,

with the Repug Senate blocking what Dems propose to be best people for Exec branch,

with Repugs blocking budgets with expenditures needed in the areas you list.

Repugs have polluted govt, "burrowed in", with stooges, moles to spy on Dem activities, and to scuttle everything the Repugs want scuttled.

With DINO Manchin primed, even Dems winning 2 GA Senate, Manchin told Fox viewers he would block everything Dem that Fox viewers don't want. Fox viewers, under 5M viewers, blocking the government of 330M people?

Blue Dog Democrats, waving fiscal responsibility flags, will vote the House Repug to block spending.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember this guy?Remember you? You were wrong.

[SnakeBoy]

This was the one thing Trump & Co. had control over, and they botched it.

1343920976854196225

This is a really stupid narrative

[Winehole23]

This is a really stupid narrativeThe Trump Administration has been really stupid. Apparently had no plan for distribution and infrastructure and poor coordination with the states.

Just pitiful, lives in the balance, no urgency.

Tick tock

[ElNono]

This is a really stupid narrative

Right now it’s simple math. It can certainly backfire or not, we’ll see in the next few months.

[Winehole23]

Right now it’s simple math. It can certainly backfire or not, we’ll see in the next few months.Soon people who slightly give a fuck about the American people will be in charge. Hopefully the pace will pick up considerably before then, we'll see.

Our whole goddam government's been asleep at the tiller for a month and a half.

[Winehole23]

:lol when anyone points out your generalized anxiety disorder, you counter with MAGAtard.It's not tarded to hold a government to its own promises.

100 million by the end of the year --> became 40 million -- > became 20 million --> became 2-4 million

Pfizer has millions of doses ready and waiting to be requested, what's the hold up?

[DarrinS]

Soon people who slightly give a fuck about the American people will be in charge. Hopefully the pace will pick up considerably before then, we'll see.

Our whole goddam government's been asleep at the tiller for a month and a half.


Sour puss

[Winehole23]

Sour pussYou betcha.

Incompetence and avoidable delays mean more people will get sick and die. Maybe even in your zip code.

[DarrinS]

In the not too distant future, you will be getting vaccinated at CVS and Walgreens.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh shit, Darrin's been wrong about so many things he might have just jinxed the vaccines.

[DarrinS]

You betcha.

Incompetence and avoidable delays mean more people will get sick and die. Maybe even in your zip code.

That ultra frigid Pfizer transport is a bitch. Moderna for the win. Oxford one only needs fridge temps. Beginning of the end.

"Glass half empty" crowd is always miserable. Posting 24/7 on this site does zilch. Go volunteer or something.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember, Darrin voted for Trump.

Twice.

[DarrinS]

Ignored posters need attention. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Not from you.

[DarrinS]

I'm glad that geezer Biden got vaxxed.

[Winehole23]

In the not too distant future, you will be getting vaccinated at CVS and Walgreens.Somewhere between April-September, depending on how it goes. Another 300,000-500,000 people might die in the meantime.

Of course, you probably believe the Trump administration's rosiest estimate. They have such a great track record prognosticating so far, why wouldn't you? :tu

[DarrinS]

Somewhere between April-September, depending on how it goes. Another 300,000-500,000 people might die in the meantime.

Of course, you probably believe the Trump administration's rosiest estimate. They have such a great track record prognosticating so far, why wouldn't you? :tu

Trump is irrelevant

Private sector will kick this thing's ass

[ChumpDumper]

Since the government took away their risk, sure.

[Winehole23]

Trump is irrelevant

Private sector will kick this thing's asseh, we'll see how long that takes.

[Winehole23]

Trump and the US Congress shortchanged the rollout.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqcGb3FWMAEP-wo?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/29/public-health-experts-grow-frustrated-with-pace-of-covid-19-vaccine-rollout/

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

damn, Florida

https://twitter.com/RebeccaJarvis/status/1344080215622955008?s=19

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pj4_aK-j8I

[boutons_deux]

The Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine has 3 key advantages despite lower efficacy rating

It also comes with a few key logistical advantages that could be a game-changer.

It's cheap to produce (https://theweek.com/speedreads/951497/oxfordastrazenecas-covid19-vaccine-shockingly-cheap), and

unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doesn't require (https://twitter.com/TurnbullWhitby/status/1344245203549499394) ultra-cold temperatures for storage, which will make vaccine distribution easier, especially to rural communities.

Finally, the gap between the first and second dose of the vaccine can be as long as 12 weeks (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-ha-idUSKBN2940M7?taid=5fec87f954859c000143bc32&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter),

which means more people in the U.K. can receive an initial dose at an earlier stage, giving them some form of protection before the second.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/957855/oxfordastrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-3-key-advantages-despite-lower-efficacy-rate

[tholdren]

damn, Florida

https://twitter.com/RebeccaJarvis/status/1344080215622955008?s=19

Cuz det woke crowd needs em 1st.


Cdc fail

[ChumpDumper]

Cuz det woke crowd needs em 1st.Woke 70 year olds.



Cdc failDistribution is up to the states.

Florida fail after Trump fail.