Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[SnakeBoy]

Right now it’s simple math. It can certainly backfire or not, we’ll see in the next few months.

Thinking it's simple math and extrapolating how long it will take to vaccinate the population is what makes it a stupid narrative. Right now they are being very selective in who gets the vaccine. That means identifying the people and then scheduling a time for the vaccination. Once enough doses are available for widespread vaccinations to start the pace will pick up.

[SnakeBoy]

The Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine has 3 key advantages despite lower efficacy rating

It also comes with a few key logistical advantages that could be a game-changer.

It's cheap to produce (https://theweek.com/speedreads/951497/oxfordastrazenecas-covid19-vaccine-shockingly-cheap), and

unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine doesn't require (https://twitter.com/TurnbullWhitby/status/1344245203549499394) ultra-cold temperatures for storage, which will make vaccine distribution easier, especially to rural communities.

Finally, the gap between the first and second dose of the vaccine can be as long as 12 weeks (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-ha-idUSKBN2940M7?taid=5fec87f954859c000143bc32&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter),

which means more people in the U.K. can receive an initial dose at an earlier stage, giving them some form of protection before the second.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/957855/oxfordastrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-3-key-advantages-despite-lower-efficacy-rate




It's 100% effective in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. Hopefully crooked Fauci and company don't delay it's approval here.

[DarrinS]

Monoclonal antibody treatments sitting on shelves unused

Damn shame

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/monoclonal-antibodies-unused-hospitals

[ChumpDumper]

Monoclonal antibody treatments sitting on shelves unused

Damn shame

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/monoclonal-antibodies-unused-hospitalsCVS shelves.

[SnakeBoy]

Monoclonal antibody treatments sitting on shelves unused

Damn shame

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/monoclonal-antibodies-unused-hospitals

Yeah my wife has been sending people. Takes up a lot of her time talking to the patients about what the treatment is and undoing what they have been told by er & urgent care docs who are sending them home with ivermectin, steriods, and a grab bag of other shit instead of sending them for antibody infusion. She's pretty pissed about it because these people are losing days after diagnosis which lowers the efficacy of the antibodies.

[SpursforSix]

One thing that concerns me is they don't know for sure how long the vaccine lasts. So that one might have to get another vaccine in a year.
But are there any side effects related to getting two different types of vaccines? So the first year, it might be the Pfizer vaccine but the next year, the Moderna. Or Astra Zeneca or whatever.
They couldn't possibly have figured out by now if there are any associated issues in that situation.

[DarrinS]

Yeah my wife has been sending people. Takes up a lot of her time talking to the patients about what the treatment is and undoing what they have been told by er & urgent care docs who are sending them home with ivermectin, steriods, and a grab bag of other shit instead of sending them for antibody infusion. She's pretty pissed about it because these people are losing days after diagnosis which lowers the efficacy of the antibodies.

Good to hear that she is getting her patients the treatment.

[tholdren]

Woke 70 year olds.


Distribution is up to the states.

Florida fail after Trump fail.

The only demo that needs the vax is 65 plus. The end. Worst states in us are lockdown and mask mandated, just like countries. Its a virus. Its seasonal. It is only a real danger to those already old and severely ill

[ChumpDumper]

The only demo that needs the vax is 65 plus. The end.Where did you get your MPH?

[SnakeBoy]

One thing that concerns me is they don't know for sure how long the vaccine lasts. So that one might have to get another vaccine in a year.
But are there any side effects related to getting two different types of vaccines? So the first year, it might be the Pfizer vaccine but the next year, the Moderna. Or Astra Zeneca or whatever.
They couldn't possibly have figured out by now if there are any associated issues in that situation.

The guys on TWiV think it's a pretty good guess that the mRNA vaccines will need a boost every 3 years. They're making an educated guess but still a guess. They seem to think the viral vector vaccines like Astrazeneca's will not provide protection for quite as long as the mRNA ones.

I don't understand what the concern is with possibly needing a booster shot somewhere down the road is or why people would not get vaccinated because they might need a booster shot someday.

Pretty simple way of looking at it is you are going to get infected repeatedly for the rest of your life or you can get vaccinated repeatedly for the rest of your life so you can choose the vaccine or the virus.

[tholdren]

Where did you get your MPH?

Credentialism? Lol. Mph takes how many stats classes? How many of health department employees have mph? Not even all states have health department directors with an mph.


Not that it even matters.


Dumb argument considering epidemiologists disagree on severity of disease. You are truly low.level

[ChumpDumper]

Credentialism? Lol. Mph takes how many stats classes? How many of health department employees have mph? Not even all states have health department directors with an mph.


Not that it even matters.


Dumb argument considering epidemiologists disagree on severity of disease. You are truly low.levelWhere did you get your MD?

[SnakeBoy]

Good to hear that she is getting her patients the treatment.

She had one last week diagnosed on Sunday who was an entire checklist of high risk factors over 65, black, diabetic, hypertension, etc. When she talked to her on Monday the person didn't want the treatment because covid is a hoax. She called her on Wednesday and the person was feeling worse but still not willing to get the treatment. So she told told them if you change your mind by 4pm let me know but after that I'm off until Monday and by then you won't qualify for treatment anymore. Lady called back like 15 minutes later, okay I'll go get it lol

[tholdren]

Credentialism? Lol. Mph takes how many stats classes? How many of health department employees have mph? Not even all states have health department directors with an mph.


Not that it even matters.


Dumb argument considering epidemiologists disagree on severity of disease. You are truly low.level

Lolooooooooooloooloolo


Credentialism > logic.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

Chumpdump low level

[SpursforSix]

The guys on TWiV think it's a pretty good guess that the mRNA vaccines will need a boost every 3 years. They're making an educated guess but still a guess. They seem to think the viral vector vaccines like Astrazeneca's will not provide protection for quite as long as the mRNA ones.

I don't understand what the concern is with possibly needing a booster shot somewhere down the road is or why people would not get vaccinated because they might need a booster shot someday.

Pretty simple way of looking at it is you are going to get infected repeatedly for the rest of your life or you can get vaccinated repeatedly for the rest of your life so you can choose the vaccine or the virus.

My concern was regarding side effects of getting one type of vaccine (mRNA) and then going back the next year and getting a different type from a different manufacturer.

[tholdren]

My concern was regarding side effects of getting one type of vaccine (mRNA) and then going back the next year and getting a different type from a different manufacturer.

Why wouldn't your concern be that an mrna vax, this one, is not proven to prevent the spread of covid or get covid?


Pretty dumb to take if you're under 60.

[SpursforSix]

Why wouldn't your concern be that an mrna vax, this one, is not proven to prevent the spread of covid or get covid?


Pretty dumb to take if you're under 60.

I also didn't list my concern with the Zeke contract.
Or the irregular mole on my calf.
Or that I'm having trouble finding a comfortable shoe.

[SnakeBoy]

My concern was regarding side effects of getting one type of vaccine (mRNA) and then going back the next year and getting a different type from a different manufacturer.

Shouldn't make a difference on the mRNA's because it will be the same vaccine. Pfizer & Moderna are using the same mRNA, only difference is their lipid carrier. The viral vector vaccines they will have to change the vector every year because you will have antibodies to the vector which will make the vaccine ineffective. So for example, astrazenca uses a chimpazee adenovirus to carry the coronavirus spike so next time around they have to use a different adenovirus (or something) because you will be immune to the chimpanzee virus.

Mixing/matching vaccines over time won't really make a difference because they all are targeting immunity to only the spike protein. So they're doing the same thing just in a different manner. That's just for these first vaccines. When/if the live attenuated virus vaccines come out it may matter but personally I wouldn't get an attenuated vaccine until there's a bunch more data. I think the sinovac vaccine is a killed whole virus, I'd be hesitant about that one too.

I think the mRNA vaccines are going to rule the day eventually, at least for covid. They are so easy to change if the coronavirus spike changes. All they have to do is change the mRNA but the platform doesn't change so it won't need as much testing.

[SnakeBoy]

I also didn't list my concern with the Zeke contract.
Or the irregular mole on my calf.
Or that I'm having trouble finding a comfortable shoe.

The mole is probably nothing. Best to just let it grow instead of getting it checked out. You should be fine.

[SpursforSix]

The mole is probably nothing. Best to just let it grow instead of getting it checked out. You should be fine.

Thanks. That's what I've been doing. What about the Zeke contract?

[SnakeBoy]

Thanks. That's what I've been doing. What about the Zeke contract?

I don't know what that is. Probably fine though, wait and see approach also recommended.

[tholdren]

Thanks. That's what I've been doing. What about the Zeke contract?

Less concerning than a mrna vax that hasn't proven to do a thing and been given mainly to the most not at risk age groups after 20 less

[SpursforSix]

Less concerning than a mrna vax that hasn't proven to do a thing and been given mainly to the most not at risk age groups after 20 less

Well...as of now, I'm not scheduled to get a vax. So the Zeke contract is pretty concerning to me. He's likely peaked already and they haven't even started paying him on his new deal.

[tholdren]

Well...as of now, I'm not scheduled to get a vax. So the Zeke contract is pretty concerning to me. He's likely peaked already and they haven't even started paying him on his new deal.

Good

[SpursforSix]

Good

How is that good? They shouldn't have rewarded him 2 years in advance. Now they're stuck with him.

[Trill Clinton]

Lmao!

[tholdren]

How is that good? They shouldn't have rewarded him 2 years in advance. Now they're stuck with him.

Their division is garbage cap doesn't matter

[ChumpDumper]

Lolooooooooooloooloolo


Credentialism > logic.


Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

Chumpdump low levelSo you don't have an MD?

No medical training at all, eh?

:lol

[SpursforSix]

Their division is garbage cap doesn't matter

That's shortsighted as hell.

[tholdren]

That's shortsighted as hell.

Their division wont get better before his contract expires. Its like getting the covid vax. You dont need it. 95 pct of the population doesn't need it.

[Winehole23]

Vaccine isn't turning the tide yet

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[DarrinS]

Vaccine isn't turning the tide yet

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https://www.hellonatureblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/CaptainObvious_SaluteAnimated.gif

[Winehole23]

(Content-free snark and eye-rolling are DarrinS's specialties.)

[SnakeBoy]

Vaccine isn't turning the tide yet

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Swapping spit and snot is faster than vaccinations

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My brother has rheumatoid arthritis and he's afraid to take a vaccine because of potential issues related to his depressed immune system.

I got them to go see the doctor today to at least discuss how mRNA vaccines were different than the traditional dead virus or weakened virus.

The damage that the anti-vaccine crowd has done to our society is immense.

[tholdren]

My brother has rheumatoid arthritis and he's afraid to take a vaccine because of potential issues related to his depressed immune system.

I got them to go see the doctor today to at least discuss how mRNA vaccines were different than the traditional dead virus or weakened virus.

The damage that the anti-vaccine crowd has done to our society is immense.

Not really

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not really

I get that you don't agree that's fine. At the same time you really don't provide much credible evidence to support your position so I don't feel the need to argue with you.

You are entitled to your opinion and I hope you don't get sick.

[boutons_deux]

It's just a hoax flu

NIH Study Uncovers Blood Vessel Damage And Inflammation In COVID-19 Patients’ Brains

But No Infection

https://scienceblog.com/520250/nih-study-uncovers-blood-vessel-damage-and-inflammation-in-covid-19-patients-brains-but-no-infection

[Winehole23]

Swapping spit and snot is faster than vaccinationsMore expensive too. Morbidity, death, lost work, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Allergists Offer Reassurance Regarding Potential Allergic Reactions To COVID-19 Vaccines

A team of experts led by allergists at Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) has now examined all relevant information to offer reassurance that the vaccines can be administered safely even to people with food or medication allergies.

country’s medical regulatory agency advised that individuals with a history of anaphylaxis to a medicine or food should avoid COVID-19 vaccination.

After closer review of the data related to allergic reactions, however,

the FDA recommended that the vaccines be withheld only from individuals with a history of severe allergic reactions to any component of the COVID-19 vaccine, and

the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advised that all patients be observed for 15 minutes post-vaccination by staff who can identify and manage such reactions.

The U.S. agencies do not recommend that people with food or medication allergies avoid vaccination.

https://scienceblog.com/520248/allergists-offer-reassurance-regarding-potential-allergic-reactions-to-covid-19-vaccines

[boutons_deux]

damn

West Virginia clinic gave 42 people an antibody treatment
instead of the coronavirus vaccine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/31/covid-vaccine-west-virginia

[koriwhat]

I can't wait to be one of the few who never got this bs vaccine. Here here to all you rejects lining up to be inoculated.

[Winehole23]

I can't wait to be one of the few who never got this bs vaccine. Here here to all you rejects lining up to be inoculated.I think I speak for everyone when I say we're fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. :tu

[koriwhat]

I think I speak for everyone when I say we're fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. :tu

You're so cool...only to other losers online like yourself. :tu

[tholdren]

I think I speak for everyone when I say we're fine with you choosing not to get vaccinated. :tu

Then why you need shutdown or masks?

[TimDunkem]

^So old he has every vax known to man.

[DarrinS]

Seniors and fatties on Jan. 4

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/12/31/covid-19-vaccinations-offered-by-university-health-for-seniors-people-with-chronic-medical-conditions/

[TimDunkem]

Seniors and fatties on Jan. 4

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/12/31/covid-19-vaccinations-offered-by-university-health-for-seniors-people-with-chronic-medical-conditions/

Looks like you're up!

[DarrinS]

Looks like you're up!

51 with BMI of 21

Nope

[DarrinS]

Sad that seniors will be competing with the fatties

Age is immutable trait, unlike fat

[Winehole23]

Trump and Co. being disorganized and not having a comprehensive distribution plan isn't just a missed opportunity to save lives, it's the moral equivalent of manslaughter.

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[tholdren]

Sad that seniors will be competing with the fatties

Age is immutable trait, unlike fat

Yep. No one in the cdc talking about getting healthy. Peddling big pharma so people can still live unhealthy then cry when their bodies give out. See lockdowns

[DarrinS]

All 11k slots filled. More on the way.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/12/31/covid-19-vaccinations-offered-by-university-health-for-seniors-people-with-chronic-medical-conditions/

Fats must be scared

[ChumpDumper]

You have to keep in mind Darrin is a Trumper cunt.

[Winehole23]

DarrinS (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2042): How long do we have to wait for the hidden hand of the market to administer the vaccines already distributed?

You said the private sector was going to kick COVID-19's ass, when will that start happening?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqqMPNeXAAA7zWM?format=jpg&name=medium?

[DMC]

The "list" is comprised of a lot of inner-circle contacts of the providers. This is a fact. It's to be expected, just like NY clinics selling it.. and on a 1st come, 1st serve basis.

[Winehole23]

The "list" is comprised of a lot of inner-circle contacts of the providers. This is a fact. It's to be expected, just like NY clinics selling it.. and on a 1st come, 1st serve basis.The rich and well-connected hoarding it for themselves, of course.

[DarrinS]

The "list" is comprised of a lot of inner-circle contacts of the providers. This is a fact. It's to be expected, just like NY clinics selling it.. and on a 1st come, 1st serve basis.

I know a woman in her late 30's who got a shot from her dad who is a doctor.

Pathetic, but not unexpected

[DarrinS]

They should consider single-dosing as many as possible and delay second dose for a few months

[DMC]

They should consider single-dosing as many as possible and delay second dose for a few months

Why

[DMC]

How about orange shit stop being a fucking cheerleader for once. Always blaming other fucking people when he's the fucking president. :lmao

Yeah that would solve everything. If you just had a better opinion of the POTUS... we'll see how that goes in a month.

[DarrinS]

They should consider single-dosing as many as possible and delay second dose for a few months


Why


If the Pfizer and Modern single dose keep people from becoming very ill (as apparently Oxford vaccine does), you could provide some level of protection to a large swath of the vulnerable population



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFqzDQJHuw

[DarrinS]

How about orange shit stop being a fucking cheerleader for once. Always blaming other fucking people when he's the fucking president. :lmao

REEEEEEEEE!!!!

[DMC]

wtf is "dosis"?

[DMC]

Orange shit has had more than a fucking year and unlimited resources to gets shit done. Certainly numbers aren't going to immediately change once Biden gets on board. Are you a fucking moron? :lmao

Keep squealing about it piggy.

[Winehole23]

They should consider single-dosing as many as possible and delay second dose for a few monthsWhat this guy said rhymes, the right answer isn't easy to determine in advance. There's an element of moral luck (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-luck/) in the decision.

Given the greater contagiousness of the "UK flu" which is already here, mass vaccination at a lower level of protection *could be* a reasonable thing to do.

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Keep squealing about it piggy.

It's interesting watching your objectivist principles go out the door when tribal loyalties come into question.

[Winehole23]

It's interesting watching your objectivist principles go out the door when tribal loyalties come into question.DMC's opinion is objective and impartlal, yours is dishonest ideological cant.

Sorry, those are the rules!

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the US has fucked up in almost every possible way.

[baseline bum]

:lol the US has fucked up in almost every possible way.

I don't know, still have 19 more days for it to find new ways to fuck up

[Winehole23]

Washington State's honor system is another reasonable compromise.

Being low trust (i.e, insisting on perfect vetting and administration) has forseeable drawbacks like slowness and spoilage.

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[Winehole23]

Fuckin Andrew Cuomo keeps turning up like a bad penny.

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[DMC]

It's interesting watching your objectivist principles go out the door when tribal loyalties come into question.

What's interesting is your flaccid attempts at analysis online. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's interesting is your flaccid attempts at analysis online. :lol

We've had this discussion before. Your attempt is shrill and hollow like your supposed ideals. You first show my analysis is flawed or something before telling me something like this.

For example, when people say your fat it is because there is visual evidence of it, fattie.

You claim to be all about personal responsibility and the individual. Then when you are presented with someone not meeting up to their personal responsibility you deflect because of group allegiance. Others have commented on it and agreed with the observation.

If that doesn't bother you then fine but no one should ever take you seriously because you are principally false.

[Winehole23]

Wow.

Vaccination Garanimals style in the UK, mix and match as available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

[Winehole23]

Joke-lahoma

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[Winehole23]

from the notebook of an anonymous, pissed off virologist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqsWu2DXEAAxEUy?format=png&name=4096x4096

[DMC]

Or just send it to NY where it will "fall off a truck" and be sold by private clinics on a 1st come basis.

[DarrinS]

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[ElNono]

From the article:

A recent survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 29% of healthcare workers were “vaccine hesitant,” a figure slightly higher than the percentage of the general population, 27%.

“Even the name, Operation Warp Speed, draws some concern for people about the rush to push it through,” said Dr. Medell Briggs-Malonson, an emergency medicine physician at UCLA Health who has received the vaccine. Still, she urged her colleagues to do the same.

[Winehole23]

From the article:

A recent survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 29% of healthcare workers were “vaccine hesitant,” a figure slightly higher than the percentage of the general population, 27%.

“Even the name, Operation Warp Speed, draws some concern for people about the rush to push it through,” said Dr. Medell Briggs-Malonson, an emergency medicine physician at UCLA Health who has received the vaccine. Still, she urged her colleagues to do the same.Who knew politicizing public health policy would have an adverse effect on public trust of the same? Unforseeable...

[SnakeBoy]

from the notebook of an anonymous, pissed off virologist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqsWu2DXEAAxEUy?format=png&name=4096x4096

#6 is interesting. Something I hadn't thought of with the UK decision.

[boutons_deux]

Some Covid Survivors Haunted by Loss of Smell and Taste

As the coronavirus claims more victims, a once-rare diagnosis is receiving new attention from scientists, who fear it may affect nutrition and mental health.

A diminished sense of smell, called anosmia, has emerged as one of the telltale symptoms of Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.

It is the first symptom for some patients, and sometimes the only one.

Often accompanied by an inability to taste, anosmia occurs abruptly and dramatically in these patients, almost as if a switch had been flipped.

in a minority of patients like Ms. Hansen, the loss persists, and doctors cannot say when or if the senses will return.

some experts fear that the pandemic may leave huge numbers of people with a permanent loss of smell and taste.

Smell is intimately tied to both taste and appetite, and

anosmia often robs people of the pleasure of eating.

But the sudden absence also may have a profound impact on mood and quality of life.

Studies have linked anosmia

to social isolation and anhedonia, an inability to feel pleasure,

as well as a strange sense of detachment and isolation.

Memories and emotions are intricately tied to smell, and

the olfactory system plays an important though largely unrecognized role in emotional well-being,

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/health/coronavirus-smell-taste.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/health/coronavirus-smell-taste.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210103&instance_id=25601&nl=the-morning&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=48251&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031)

[hater]

From the article:

A recent survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 29% of healthcare workers were “vaccine hesitant,” a figure slightly higher than the percentage of the general population, 27%.

“Even the name, Operation Warp Speed, draws some concern for people about the rush to push it through,” said Dr. Medell Briggs-Malonson, an emergency medicine physician at UCLA Health who has received the vaccine. Still, she urged her colleagues to do the same.

Called it negrito

[hater]

Wow.

Vaccination Garanimals style in the UK, mix and match as available.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

:lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Unclear If COVID Vaccine Will Work on South African Strain: Top Scientist Sir John Bell
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unclear-if-covid-vaccine-will-work-on-south-african-strain-top-scientist-sir-john-bell/ar-BB1csKgU

Looks like Sleepy Joe will get his chance to start all over with a new virus and show Trump how it's done.

[Winehole23]

Unclear If COVID Vaccine Will Work on South African Strain: Top Scientist Sir John Bell
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unclear-if-covid-vaccine-will-work-on-south-african-strain-top-scientist-sir-john-bell/ar-BB1csKgU

Looks like Sleepy Joe will get his chance to start all over with a new virus and show Trump how it's done.We're not starting at zero. We're starting in the midst of the most intense phase of the pandemic, when our health care delivery system is coming apart at the seams.

It was much otherwise in january of 2020, even though COVID-19 was *probably* already here.

But yeah, one to one comparison totes agree.

[SnakeBoy]

We're not starting at zero. We're starting in the midst of the most intense phase of the pandemic, when our health care delivery system is coming apart at the seams.

It was much otherwise in january of 2020, even though COVID-19 was *probably* already here.

But yeah, one to one comparison totes agree.

It doesn't matter where we are at now. If a new vaccine resistant strain emerges all Sleepy Joe has to do is stomp it out without stomping on the peoples. He said he knows how to do that.

[boutons_deux]

anti-expert, anti-science conservative MISgovernance

Britain Opens Door to Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Worrying Experts

If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to the guidelines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r4950093941840735954&th=176cd80dec8d831d&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9f9jzctZOswC6Dh4L6YCYQUjPYBiS-ocUrFDU_xvWUV9wlwf3vakV2XIRcO0WmNumvHxCmVMjitfQ2SY GWYSesyiRcT6P3prQ545NonIzrAbGEof3vHJhrP10&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kjiima6u0

[ElNono]

Called it negrito

More for me, tbh... might get it 2-3 times now if nobody wants it.

Gonna get me all the Gates chips models.

[tholdren]

It doesn't matter where we are at now. If a new vaccine resistant strain emerges all Sleepy Joe has to do is stomp it out without stomping on the peoples. He said he knows how to do that.

Why do you need a vax?

[Winehole23]

It doesn't matter where we are at now. If a new vaccine resistant strain emerges all Sleepy Joe has to do is stomp it out without stomping on the peoples. He said he knows how to do that.o rly?

[tholdren]

Cuomo can't give away the vax
Lolooooook

Fining hospitals


Bwahahahahahah

[hater]

https://twitter.com/MoralScold/status/1346129101703229440?s=19

[tholdren]

https://twitter.com/MoralScold/status/1346129101703229440?s=19

Pretty dumb. Didn't even need the vax

[SnakeBoy]

Sad that seniors will be competing with the fatties

Age is immutable trait, unlike fat

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/a34915032/women-bodies-wellness-healthy-different-shape-size/

[hater]

https://twitter.com/andykatz19/status/1346256997289660417?s=19

Doubling down on my call nigritos

Nobody under 50 should get this vaccine whatsoever

[SnakeBoy]

Why do you need a vax?

Only way to get the free tracking device

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/andykatz19/status/1346256997289660417?s=19

Doubling down on my call nigritos

Nobody under 50 should get this vaccine whatsoever
article is a dead link

who is this guy? :lol

[SnakeBoy]

o rly?

He's got the secret plan

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[DarrinS]

J&J with single dose vaccine in February

[Winehole23]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-8137

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/MoralScold/status/1346129101703229440?s=19


It cant possibly be coincidence...
Only 13 million people vaccinated world wide...
Somebody better die after getting vaccinated.

Either that, or Hater must declare himself immortal.

[pgardn]

It doesn't matter where we are at now. If a new vaccine resistant strain emerges all Sleepy Joe has to do is stomp it out without stomping on the peoples. He said he knows how to do that.

And if a new strain emerges that is resistant, it can also be possible to be very difficult to transmit the virus.
Hell, it might already be out there...

We be spitballing here... on ST...

[SnakeBoy]

And if a new strain emerges that is resistant, it can also be possible to be very difficult to transmit the virus.
Hell, it might already be out there...

We be spitballing here... on ST...

Or easier to transmit with a much higher mortality. Sky is the limit with random viral mutations. Kinda cool tbh

Of course just spitballing but no matter what happens Joe knows how to shut it down so we can rest easy.

[ChumpDumper]

Or easier to transmit with a much higher mortality. Sky is the limit with random viral mutations. Kinda cool tbh

Of course just spitballing but no matter what happens Joe knows how to shut it down so we can rest easy.You're already resting easy since your Trump gave up and decided everyone should get infected ASAP.

[boutons_deux]

Red Boris orders at least 6 weeks of UK shutdown

On first day of BREXIT trading year Monday, $Bs absconded from London for Frankfort, Amsterdam, Paris.

[pgardn]

Or easier to transmit with a much higher mortality. Sky is the limit with random viral mutations. Kinda cool tbh

Of course just spitballing but no matter what happens Joe knows how to shut it down so we can rest easy.

I guarantee the virus I mentioned has already been produced. It’s more likely a mutation will screw an important protein up than perfect one to make it more transmissible.

And this makes it obvious why we probably won’t detect it unless we look for it. Mutation is random. But you understand this selection in a specific environment is not. So why not call for milder symptoms? In fact why not call for basically asymptomatic for the vast majority of the population?

let’s keep going.

Why do you think this virus occurred at the time it did and not earlier or later? Tell us the politics involved, the board would like your even handed forecasts.

[pgardn]

You're already resting easy since your Trump gave up and decided everyone should get infected ASAP.

and hes sure Trump had nothing to do with our pitiful response.
Im guessing he did not read your article in the New Yorker
there is blame to pass elsewhere but snake would not be able to pin it down, so throw darts he does. Same Trumpy method, defecate and toss your waste at anyone passing by. Snake had this same thing done to him and found the feces delicious.

[boutons_deux]

Journal article reviews century of data showing COVID-19 likely to impact the brain

a compelling case for SARS-CoV-2's expected long-term effects on the brain and nervous system.

"Since the flu pandemic of 1917 and 1918, many of the flulike diseases have been associated with brain disorders,"

"Those respiratory viruses included H1N1 and SARS-CoV. The SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, is also known to impact the brain and nervous system."

the damage done by the pandemic will not be limited to acute effects, such as delirium in the hospital, but

will have chronic consequences that impact many individuals' quality of life and independence.

the under-recognized medical history of these viruses over the last century suggests

a strong link to brain diseases that affect memory and behavior,

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoth-jar010521.php

[SpursforSix]

Journal article reviews century of data showing COVID-19 likely to impact the brain

a compelling case for SARS-CoV-2's expected long-term effects on the brain and nervous system.

"Since the flu pandemic of 1917 and 1918, many of the flulike diseases have been associated with brain disorders,"

"Those respiratory viruses included H1N1 and SARS-CoV. The SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, is also known to impact the brain and nervous system."

the damage done by the pandemic will not be limited to acute effects, such as delirium in the hospital, but

will have chronic consequences that impact many individuals' quality of life and independence.

the under-recognized medical history of these viruses over the last century suggests

a strong link to brain diseases that affect memory and behavior,

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-01/uoth-jar010521.php




Never heard you pick a side. You're clearly anti Big-Pharm and have discredited the Warp Speed process. But you continue to point out how bad the virus is.
And I guess those aren't mutually exclusive.

But I don't believe you've ever taken a stance on whether one should get vaccinated or not.

I'll wait while you ignore this.

[tholdren]

Never heard you pick a side. You're clearly anti Big-Pharm and have discredited the Warp Speed process. But you continue to point out how bad the virus is.
And I guess those aren't mutually exclusive.

But I don't believe you've ever taken a stance on whether one should get vaccinated or not.

I'll wait while you ignore this.

No one needs this covid vax undwer 65

[ElNono]

^ wrong

[SnakeBoy]

Biden to release more available coronavirus doses- spokesman
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-johnson-jo/biden-to-release-all-available-coronavirus-doses-cnn-idUSKBN29D23Y

2nd dose will be "if available" I guess

[hater]

Biden to release more available coronavirus doses- spokesman
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-johnson-jo/biden-to-release-all-available-coronavirus-doses-cnn-idUSKBN29D23Y

2nd dose will be "if available" I guess

:lmao

Also heard they will increase dosage from same vial.

What the fuck is this. Just to avoid huge symptoms I guess but soundd they are just shooting in the dark at this point and things looking mighty dire

[Winehole23]

Narrator: It's up to Cuomo.

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[DarrinS]

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/06/1015822/covid-19-immunity-likely-lasts-for-years/

[baseline bum]

Biden to release more available coronavirus doses- spokesman
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-johnson-jo/biden-to-release-all-available-coronavirus-doses-cnn-idUSKBN29D23Y

2nd dose will be "if available" I guess

Fucking retarded, Biden presidency already a shitshow -12 days in.

[SnakeBoy]

Fucking retarded, Biden presidency already a shitshow -12 days in.

It's weird if he's going full Boris after he promised to follow science. Especially right after the FDA felt it necessary to say publicly what a bad idea they thought this was.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-statement-following-authorized-dosing-schedules-covid-19-vaccines

Then again if we keep asking grandpas to run the world we should expect some weird decisions.

[tholdren]

Fucking retarded, Biden presidency already a shitshow -12 days in.

Lololooooooool

Follow the science?

Of what? Lockdowns masks and closures? Absolutely 0 science in any of that. Virus age stratified. Has been known since March. Heathy people are not dying with any regularity. You've been had

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

Lololooooooool

Follow the science?

Of what? Lockdowns masks and closures? Absolutely 0 science in any of that. Virus age stratified. Has been known since March. Heathy people are not dying with any regularity. You've been had

Bwahahhahahahahahahah el wrongwrong

[ElNono]

^ meltdown

[ChumpDumper]

:lol he's mentally ill

[tholdren]

Lololooooooool

Follow the science?

Of what? Lockdowns masks and closures? Absolutely 0 science in any of that. Virus age stratified. Has been known since March. Heathy people are not dying with any regularity. You've been had

No answer from the gossip queens

[ElNono]

No answer from the gossip queens

^ gossip

[ChumpDumper]

No answer from the gossip queens

Only question foldren has to answer.

Is 215 > 131, foldren?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Fucking retarded, Biden presidency already a shitshow -12 days in.

I'm pretty sure he's taking guidance from scientist/viroligists/moderna/pfizer.

The first shot apparently does provide some immunity after a week or two,, so I guess they are thinking that, now that the Trump-Made Pandemic is raging worse than ever, 4000+ dead/day, the first shot to as many as possible is better than two shots to fewer people.

"

[*=1]The standard 15 minutes to watch out for allergic reactions to the vaccine.
[*=1]Twenty-one days until I get the second dose.
[*=1]Then seven more days for the main event, the show we’ve all been waiting for: 95% efficacy."




https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/24/first-dose-covid-19-vaccine-got-me-thinking-about-time/

maybe the mfrs have told Biden's team that Ms more doses will be available sooner than expected so get spread the current doses as first shot as quickly and widely as possible

Apparently multiple states have many 100Ks of doses but only a tiny fraction administered.

[tholdren]

Lololooooooool

Follow the science?

Of what? Lockdowns masks and closures? Absolutely 0 science in any of that. Virus age stratified. Has been known since March. Heathy people are not dying with any regularity. You've been had

No majority wants vax. Except ChumpDumper lolooll


Safety

[ChumpDumper]

No majority wants vax. Except ChumpDumper lolooll


Safety

You haven't posted any links.

Gossip.

[tholdren]

No majority wants vax. Except ChumpDumper lolooll


Safety

Chumpdump now says the majority.of all want a vax, when he's posted things about the majority of people, healthcRe workers specifically not wanting the vax.

Now he wants data.


Hilarious

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump now says the majority.of all want a vax, when he's posted things about the majority of people, healthcRe workers specifically not wanting the vax.

Now he wants data.


HilariousWhere's your data?

Step up if you're not mentally ill.

[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

1348186940106018816

Saw an interview with an Israeli dude on this. The smallness of their country is playing a role but it sounds like the biggest factor is they thought ahead and used influenza shots as a practice run for how they would do covid shots.

[TeyshaBlue]

1348186940106018816

I'm not sure how to accelerate the vaccination rate but it's worth noting that the examples listed are swallowed by Texas. Population density and sheer size likely plays a role in a mass vaccine rollout. Dunno how big tho.

[SnakeBoy]

Fucking retarded, Biden presidency already a shitshow -12 days in.

A human coronavirus evolves antigenically to escape antibody immunity
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.17.423313v1.full

This might change everything. Turns out everybody just assumed reinfection by common cold HCoV's was due to waning immunity over time and never bothered to check if they were escaping immunity. This study shows we retain immunity to H229E long term but it mutates just like influenza albeit more slowly. With the amount of infection present in the world I won't be surprised at all if we select for vaccine resistance, especially since we are going to play fast and loose with the dosing.

[baseline bum]

A human coronavirus evolves antigenically to escape antibody immunity
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.17.423313v1.full

This might change everything. Turns out everybody just assumed reinfection by common cold HCoV's was due to waning immunity over time and never bothered to check if they were escaping immunity. This study shows we retain immunity to H229E long term but it mutates just like influenza albeit more slowly. With the amount of infection present in the world I won't be surprised at all if we select for vaccine resistance, especially since we are going to play fast and loose with the dosing.

So we're not a mere 500,000 deaths away from the end of the pandemic?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvqWnOVEtk

[SnakeBoy]

So we're not a mere 500,000 deaths away from the end of the pandemic?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvqWnOVEtk

About 340,000 deaths away from end of the Covid19 pandemic. No data to make a guess about Covid20 or 21. Biden gonna get that chance to start from zero cases. Hope the old man does better than the old man did. Probably not because Biden is still going to listen to his revered elder Fauci.

Future humans will enjoy the Michael Bay documentary tho


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTYZTXGQeU

[tholdren]

About 340,000 deaths away from end of the Covid19 pandemic. No data to make a guess about Covid20 or 21. Biden gonna get that chance to start from zero cases. Hope the old man does better than the old man did. Probably not because Biden is still going to listen to his revered elder Fauci.

Future humans will enjoy the Michael Bay documentary tho


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTYZTXGQeU

Accounted for less than 3pct of total death even with overcounting by cdc guidelines. Avg age low 80s. Avg comorbidities 3.

Would have been many less if ny wasn't included in the count.

[ChumpDumper]

Accounted for less than 3pct of total death even with overcounting by cdc guidelines. Avg age low 80s. Avg comorbidities 3.

Would have been many less if ny wasn't included in the count.:lmao cherry picking

You are mentally ill and low IQ.

[DarrinS]

This thread actually slipped to page 3. Sad

Johnson & Johnson single dose vaccine

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/covid-vaccine-johnson-johnson-one-shot-safe-generates-immune-response.html

[SnakeBoy]

I'm not sure how to accelerate the vaccination rate but it's worth noting that the examples listed are swallowed by Texas. Population density and sheer size likely plays a role in a mass vaccine rollout. Dunno how big tho.

Easiest first step would be to approve the astrazeneca vaccine now instead of waiting for the US arm of the trial to be completed. More peer reviewed data available on it than the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines and it's 100% effective at preventing death from covid. At $3 a dose not much money to be made tho.

[SnakeBoy]

Will vaccines stop the new coronavirus strains? Here's what scientists say.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/01/08/virus-mutations

tldr vaccines will continue to work on Covid-19. Covid-21/22 not so much. Biden will get a do-over.

[hater]

Will vaccines stop the new coronavirus strains? Here's what scientists say.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/01/08/virus-mutations

tldr vaccines will continue to work on Covid-19. Covid-21/22 not so much. Biden will get a do-over.

Called it for months

There will not be a true vaccine

Covid is here to stay. We can hope on better therapeutics and mutations to less lethal versions

[DarrinS]

Called it for months

There will not be a true vaccine

Covid is here to stay. We can hope on better therapeutics and mutations to less lethal versions


If the whole population were children, this would just be another cold.

All the other known corona viruses probably killed a lot of people who had no previous exposure.

Is what it is.

You called it.

[hater]

If the whole population were children, this would just be another cold.

All the other known corona viruses probably killed a lot of people who had no previous exposure.

Is what it is.

You called it.

We still will probably have to adjust our lifestyle permanently, and hopefully have instant tests or even a thermometer type test that can detect virus. That way we can still congregate.

Also once we reach age of 65 might even have to be more careful.

Its nature. Some people will live, some will die. It is what it is I guess

[DarrinS]

We still will probably have to adjust our lifestyle permanently, and hopefully have instant tests or even a thermometer type test that can detect virus. That way we can still congregate.

Also once we reach age of 65 might even have to be more careful.

Its nature. Some people will live, some will die. It is what it is I guess


That fever test doesn't work. I never had one.

Agree with the rest. As you age, you are naturally more vulnerable to ANY disease.

[Monostradamus]

If the whole population were children, this would just be another cold.
:lmao he says this like it’s a salient, intelligent point.

[DarrinS]

:lmao he says this like it’s a salient, intelligent point.

Lose weight, fatty

[Monostradamus]

Lose weight, fatty
Stop drinking, rummy

[DarrinS]

Stop drinking, rummy

I'm skinny

[Monostradamus]

I'm skinny
I’m not an alcoholic

[SnakeBoy]

Its nature. Some people will live, some will die. It is what it is I guess

Like I said a long time ago, natural selection is a two way street.

Australia tried to get rid of their rabbit problem by introducing a virus with a 90% mortality rate. It worked and killed 90% of the rabbits. Then the remaining 10% that were resistant to the virus fucked like rabbits and Australia went right back to having a rabbit problem.

[DarrinS]

I’m not an alcoholic

Your companion

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Burrito_with_rice.jpg/1200px-Burrito_with_rice.jpg

[Monostradamus]

Your companion

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Burrito_with_rice.jpg/1200px-Burrito_with_rice.jpg
Yours

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/UUGZg418j1NX5iynO7LxtbI6O8A=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/YPWYHZTWF5BEXGCAJWSZQQMN3E.jpg


https://cdn.britannica.com/71/192771-131-00E5AA76/Glass-scotch-whiskey-ice.jpg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/eb/eeb4999e-5c95-11ea-a8be-433515bffe35/5e5d1e8147e6e.image.jpg?crop=683%2C683%2C170%2C0&resize=1200%2C1200&order=crop%2Cresize

https://www.beachesrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/is-alcoholism-genetic.jpeg

[tholdren]

Yours

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/UUGZg418j1NX5iynO7LxtbI6O8A=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/YPWYHZTWF5BEXGCAJWSZQQMN3E.jpg


https://cdn.britannica.com/71/192771-131-00E5AA76/Glass-scotch-whiskey-ice.jpg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/eb/eeb4999e-5c95-11ea-a8be-433515bffe35/5e5d1e8147e6e.image.jpg?crop=683%2C683%2C170%2C0&resize=1200%2C1200&order=crop%2Cresize

https://www.beachesrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/is-alcoholism-genetic.jpeg
Who cares? Hide for vax

[tholdren]

Vax killed 13 in Norway

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[spurraider21]

Your companion

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Burrito_with_rice.jpg/1200px-Burrito_with_rice.jpg
looks good tbh

[DarrinS]

looks good tbh

It does, tbh

:lol

[pgardn]

Your companion

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Burrito_with_rice.jpg/1200px-Burrito_with_rice.jpg


Yours

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/UUGZg418j1NX5iynO7LxtbI6O8A=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/YPWYHZTWF5BEXGCAJWSZQQMN3E.jpg


https://cdn.britannica.com/71/192771-131-00E5AA76/Glass-scotch-whiskey-ice.jpg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/eb/eeb4999e-5c95-11ea-a8be-433515bffe35/5e5d1e8147e6e.image.jpg?crop=683%2C683%2C170%2C0&resize=1200%2C1200&order=crop%2Cresize



Damn.

A lot of this looks very tasty.

edit

already agreed upon.

[DarrinS]

Israel kicking ass on vaccination distribution

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Vaccinations-per-capita.jpg

[tholdren]

Israel kicking ass on vaccination distribution

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Vaccinations-per-capita.jpg

Who cares? No one needs the vax

[pgardn]

I needs the vax but the roll out is so slow.

Yes old man.
Sorry.

[tholdren]

Who cares? No one needs the vax

No one needs the vax. No one healthy is dying from it. And they didn't test on anyone 80 plus. Shocking since avg age of covid death is low 80s

[ElNono]

^ more gossip from wrongboi

[tholdren]

No one needs the vax. No one healthy is dying from it. And they didn't test on anyone 80 plus. Shocking since avg age of covid death is low 80s

Elwrongwrong says trials were composed of 80 year olds...

Another lie from wrong wrong

[ElNono]

^ brazilian raver wrong per par

[tholdren]

Elwrongwrong says trials were composed of 80 year olds...

Another lie from wrong wrong

[Winehole23]

Operation Derp Speed


When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/12/trump-covid-vaccine-second-shot/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2) vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans. The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available beginning at the end of December, taking second doses directly off the manufacturing line.https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

[SnakeBoy]

Operation Derp Speed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

Biden's big plan to increase vaccinations was to release the extra doses. What does he do now?

[clambake]

Biden's big plan to increase vaccinations was to release the extra doses. What does he do now?

Trump president

Not Biden

[DarrinS]

Biden's big plan to increase vaccinations was to release the extra doses. What does he do now?

1350133769911595011

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trump's final decisive failure as president and all you Trump supporters can say is :cryHow will Biden fix muh Trump's fuckup?:cry

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phb4FgI8uoI

[tholdren]

:lol Trump's final decisive failure as president and all you Trump supporters can say is :cryHow will Biden fix muh Trump's fuckup?:cry

30 dead from vax in Norway.

[ElNono]

^ brazilian raver wrong per par

[tholdren]

30 dead from vax in Norway.

No one should get it.

[Winehole23]

"the private sector will save us"

1350836279383093254

[boutons_deux]

"the private sector will save us"

1350836279383093254

only 5% of CA's old folks home residents have been vaccinated.

Nirenberg among mayors urging Biden to send coronavirus vaccines directly to big cities

In a letter (https://twitter.com/Ron_Nirenberg/status/1349510450036305920/photo/1), the 22 mayors urged the Biden administration to establish a national vaccine distribution plan for cities, instead of allocating all available doses to state governments.

And the Metropolitan Health District is only notified once a week by the state about how many doses it will be receiving,

making it difficult to schedule vaccination appointments beyond a week at a time.

San Antonio has “no ability to plan ahead,” Colleen Bridger, interim director of Metro Health, told the City Council on Thursday.

The mayors of the country’s three largest cities — New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago — also signed the letter. The request comes amid widespread dissatisfaction over a sluggish vaccine rollout;

just 37 percent of the total doses allocated to states so far have been put into people’s arms,
https://www.expressnews.com/news/politics/texas_legislature/article/Texas-mayors-urge-Biden-administration-Send-15870449.php (https://www.expressnews.com/news/politics/texas_legislature/article/Texas-mayors-urge-Biden-administration-Send-15870449.php)

Another way Trash's political stooges, sycophants MORTALLY fuck up

[boutons_deux]

‘We’re underselling the vaccine’

Early in the pandemic, many health experts — in the U.S. (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/tnhLwuCUTSLg17mZsgUdLQ~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0T2aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL3N1cmdlb2 4tZ2VuZXJhbC1yZXZlcnNhbC1mYWNlLW1hc2stZDM4NWUyZDUt NDJiNy00MzNlLTg5YTYtMzU4NGYzZTYxYmYzLmh0bWw_Y2FtcG FpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZWRpdF9ubl8yMDIxMDExOCZpbnN0YW5j ZV9pZD0yNjEyNSZubD10aGUtbW9ybmluZyZyZWdpX2lkPTgwOD IxNzk3JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9NDk1ODQmdGU9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPTk5 MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAzYWEwNGJmMTBhNTk1MDMxVwNueXRCCl _9uXEFYMWmBFRSE2Rhcm5vY25lbEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAA~ ) and around the world (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/VAZzQfuYCMM1fdrD8vr--A~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0TYaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAyMC 8wNi8wNS9oZWFsdGgvY29yb25hdmlydXMtbWFza3Mtd2hvLmh0 bWw_Y2FtcGFpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZWRpdF9ubl8yMDIxMDExOC ZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0yNjEyNSZubD10aGUtbW9ybmluZyZyZWdp X2lkPTgwODIxNzk3JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9NDk1ODQmdGU9MSZ1c2 VyX2lkPTk5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAzYWEwNGJmMTBhNTk1MDMx VwNueXRCCl_9uXEFYMWmBFRSE2Rhcm5vY25lbEBnbWFpbC5jb2 1YBAAAAAA~) — decided that the public could not be trusted to hear the truth about masks. Instead, the experts spread a misleading message, discouraging the use of masks.

It confused people. (If masks weren’t effective, why did doctors and nurses need them?)

It delayed the widespread use of masks (even though there was good reason (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/fy8cakC_fhGbJ-kJnJLkjw~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0TeaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAyMC 8wNi8wNi93b3JsZC9hc2lhL2phcGFuLWNvcm9uYXZpcnVzLW1h c2tzLmh0bWw_Y2FtcGFpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZWRpdF9ubl8yMD IxMDExOCZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0yNjEyNSZubD10aGUtbW9ybmlu ZyZyZWdpX2lkPTgwODIxNzk3JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9NDk1ODQmdG U9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPTk5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAzYWEwNGJmMTBh NTk1MDMxVwNueXRCCl_9uXEFYMWmBFRSE2Rhcm5vY25lbEBnbW FpbC5jb21YBAAAAAA~) to believe they could help). And it damaged the credibility of public health experts.

Now a version of the mask story is repeating itself — this time involving the vaccines. Once again, the experts don’t seem to trust the public to hear the full truth.



‘Ridiculously encouraging’





Right now, public discussion of the vaccines is full of warnings about their limitations:

They’re not 100 percent effective.

Even vaccinated people may be able to spread the virus.

And people shouldn’t change their behavior once they get their shots.





These warnings have a basis in truth, just as it’s true that masks are imperfect. But the sum total of the warnings is misleading, as I heard from multiple doctors and epidemiologists last week.





“It’s driving me a little bit crazy,” Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown School of Public Health, told me.





“We’re underselling the vaccine,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.





“It’s going to save your life — that’s where the emphasis has to be right now,” Dr. Peter Hotez of the Baylor College of Medicine said.





The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are “essentially 100 percent effective against serious disease,”

Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said. “It’s ridiculously encouraging.”




The details





Here’s my best attempt at summarizing what we know:







The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines — the only two approved in the U.S. — are among the best vaccines ever created, with effectiveness rates of about 95 percent after two doses. That’s on par with the vaccines for chickenpox and measles. And a vaccine doesn’t even need (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/NQImQr77rmP1k5itmR7OtQ~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P4SVAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNkYy5nb3YvdmFjY2luZX MvdnBkL3JvdGF2aXJ1cy9oY3AvYWJvdXQtdmFjY2luZS5odG1s P2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTkmZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMjAyMTAxMTgmaW 5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MjYxMjUmbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5pbmcmcmVnaV9p ZD04MDgyMTc5NyZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTQ5NTg0JnRlPTEmdXNlcl 9pZD05OTJkNjA4MjE0YjUwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEwYTU5NTAzMSM6 fjp0ZXh0PVZhY2NpbmUlMjBFZmZlY3RpdmVuZXNzJTIwYW5kJT IwRHVyYXRpb24lMjBvZiUyMFByb3RlY3Rpb24sLVJvdGFUZXEl QzIlQUUlMjAoUlY1JnRleHQ9VHdvJTIwY2xpbmljYWwlMjB0cm lhbHMlMjBmb3VuZCUyMFJvdGFyaXgsaG9zcGl0YWxpemF0aW9u cyUyMHRocm91Z2glMjB0d28lMjByb3RhdmlydXMlMjBzZWFzb2 5zLlcDbnl0Qgpf_blxBWDFpgRUUhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ21haWwu Y29tWAQAAAAA) to be so effective to reduce cases sharply and crush a pandemic.
If anything, the 95 percent number understates the effectiveness (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/v6-9QxwY0tgUm_L1aGvpyg~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P4QRAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnNjaWVuY2VtYWcub3JnL2 5ld3MvMjAyMC8xMS9hYnNvbHV0ZWx5LXJlbWFya2FibGUtbm8t b25lLXdoby1nb3QtbW9kZXJuYXMtdmFjY2luZS10cmlhbC1kZX ZlbG9wZWQtc2V2ZXJlLWNvdmlkLTE5P2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTkm ZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMjAyMTAxMTgmaW5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MjYxMj Umbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5pbmcmcmVnaV9pZD04MDgyMTc5NyZzZWdt ZW50X2lkPTQ5NTg0JnRlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD05OTJkNjA4MjE0Yj UwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEwYTU5NTAzMVcDbnl0Qgpf_blxBWDFpgRU UhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAA), because it counts anyone who came down with a mild case of Covid-19 as a failure. But turning Covid into a typical flu — as the vaccines evidently did for most of the remaining 5 percent — is actually a success. Of the 32,000 people who received the Moderna (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/xAbjt_dSr3rSB8zEDYZ7dQ~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P4QpAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmZkYS5nb3YvZW1lcmdlbm N5LXByZXBhcmVkbmVzcy1hbmQtcmVzcG9uc2UvbWNtLWxlZ2Fs LXJlZ3VsYXRvcnktYW5kLXBvbGljeS1mcmFtZXdvcmsvbW9kZX JuYS1jb3ZpZC0xOS12YWNjaW5lLWZyZXF1ZW50bHktYXNrZWQt cXVlc3Rpb25zP2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTkmZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMj AyMTAxMTgmaW5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MjYxMjUmbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5p bmcmcmVnaV9pZD04MDgyMTc5NyZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTQ5NTg0Jn RlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD05OTJkNjA4MjE0YjUwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEw YTU5NTAzMVcDbnl0Qgpf_blxBWDFpgRUUhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ2 1haWwuY29tWAQAAAAA) or Pfizer (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/Ip9XmkfGWi6xUkVp0rR8zg~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P4QxAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmZkYS5nb3YvZW1lcmdlbm N5LXByZXBhcmVkbmVzcy1hbmQtcmVzcG9uc2UvbWNtLWxlZ2Fs LXJlZ3VsYXRvcnktYW5kLXBvbGljeS1mcmFtZXdvcmsvcGZpem VyLWJpb250ZWNoLWNvdmlkLTE5LXZhY2NpbmUtZnJlcXVlbnRs eS1hc2tlZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM_Y2FtcGFpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZW RpdF9ubl8yMDIxMDExOCZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0yNjEyNSZubD10 aGUtbW9ybmluZyZyZWdpX2lkPTgwODIxNzk3JnNlZ21lbnRfaW Q9NDk1ODQmdGU9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPTk5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAz YWEwNGJmMTBhNTk1MDMxVwNueXRCCl_9uXEFYMWmBFRSE2Rhcm 5vY25lbEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAA~) vaccine in a research trial, do you want to guess how many contracted a severe Covid case? One.
Although no rigorous study has yet analyzed whether vaccinated people can spread the virus, it would be surprising if they did. “If there is an example of a vaccine in widespread clinical use that has this selective effect — prevents disease but not infection — I can’t think of one!” Dr. Paul Sax (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/U2MC6R71Qn1oIzFFpWCISg~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0S6aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmVqbS5vcmcvY292aWQtdm FjY2luZS9mYXE_Y2FtcGFpZ25faWQ9OSZlbWM9ZWRpdF9ubl8y MDIxMDExOCZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0yNjEyNSZubD10aGUtbW9ybm luZyZyZWdpX2lkPTgwODIxNzk3JnNlZ21lbnRfaWQ9NDk1ODQm dGU9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPTk5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1MDAzYWEwNGJmMT BhNTk1MDMxVwNueXRCCl_9uXEFYMWmBFRSE2Rhcm5vY25lbEBn bWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAA~) of Harvard has written in The New England Journal of Medicine. (And, no, exclamation points are not common in medical journals.) On Twitter, Dr. Monica Gandhi (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/6uaWqx8EhhGk28MGVMvuVA~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0TQaHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9Nb25pY2FHYW 5kaGk5L3N0YXR1cy8xMzQ3OTg4NjUxMTc5Nzk4NTMwP2NhbXBh aWduX2lkPTkmZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMjAyMTAxMTgmaW5zdGFuY2 VfaWQ9MjYxMjUmbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5pbmcmcmVnaV9pZD04MDgy MTc5NyZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTQ5NTg0JnRlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD05OT JkNjA4MjE0YjUwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEwYTU5NTAzMVcDbnl0Qgpf _blxBWDFpgRUUhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ21haWwuY29tWAQAAAAA) of the University of California, San Francisco, argued: “Please be assured that YOU ARE SAFE after vaccine from what matters — disease and spreading.”
The risks for vaccinated people are still not zero, because almost nothing in the real world is zero risk. A tiny percentage of people may have allergic reactions. And I’ll be eager to see what the studies on post-vaccination spread eventually show. But the evidence so far suggests that the vaccines are akin to a cure.







Offit told me we should be greeting them with the same enthusiasm that greeted the polio vaccine (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/oJ_hcLNKha2Kqir7kw_Whg~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRh5_a5P0TWaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAyMC 8xMi8yNS9oZWFsdGgvY292aWQtdmFjY2luZS1wb2xpby5odG1s P2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTkmZW1jPWVkaXRfbm5fMjAyMTAxMTgmaW 5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9MjYxMjUmbmw9dGhlLW1vcm5pbmcmcmVnaV9p ZD04MDgyMTc5NyZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTQ5NTg0JnRlPTEmdXNlcl 9pZD05OTJkNjA4MjE0YjUwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEwYTU5NTAzMVcD bnl0Qgpf_blxBWDFpgRUUhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ21haWwuY29tWA QAAAAA): “It should be this rallying cry.”








-- NY Times email

[tholdren]

"the private sector will save us"

1350836279383093254

Ifr less than flu

[boutons_deux]

Johnson & Johnson trials show single-shot COVID-19 vaccine effective


Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine proved safe and

provoked an immune response in young and elderly volunteers alike,

Most trial participants got just one shot of a high or low vaccine dose, or a placebo, although some people aged 18 to 55 got two doses.

Most of the volunteers who got the vaccine produced the neutralizing antibodies, which defend cells from the virus, after 28 days.

Researchers reported some side effects, including fever, fatigue, headache, and pain at the injection site.

Dr. Paul Stoffels, chief scientific officer at J&J, said the data gave the company "confidence" the vaccine will prove highly effective.

Results from the larger phase-three trial are expected later this month.

https://theweek.com/covid/962088/solving-covid-january-20-2021

Maybe by 2022, USA will have 200M+ vaccinated.

[tholdren]

Who changed guidance for pcr and case identification
...... lololoooloollllllloolllolllllllllllllolll

[DarrinS]

1351976639857479680

[tholdren]

Who changed guidance for pcr and case identification
...... lololoooloollllllloolllolllllllllllllolll

No need vax. 90 pct of population

[CosmicCowboy]

OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.

[ElNono]

1351976639857479680

:tu

[ElNono]

OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.

damn, take care of your loved one.

[SnakeBoy]

OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.

When did you first get symptoms?

If you qualify consider monoclonal antibodies. Especially if you are very early in the disease course and already showing severe symptoms. You qualify for monoclonal antibodies if you are over 65 and/or have comorbidities. Your Dr can set it up for you. Infusion site is the AT&T center I think (not sure tho).

[CosmicCowboy]

When did you first get symptoms?

If you qualify consider monoclonal antibodies. Especially if you are very early in the disease course and already showing severe symptoms. You qualify for monoclonal antibodies if you are over 65 and/or have comorbidities. Your Dr can set it up for you. Infusion site is the AT&T center I think (not sure tho).

I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from hell, hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.

[clambake]

That sucks

[pgardn]

I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from hell, hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.

welp

hopefully you got vaccinated the hard way.

Take er easy.
don’t mess with this, some people have reoccurring symptoms.
says it feels like it hit them twice.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from hell, hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.

That's good to hear. People who are going to crash usually do so by day 7. Sounds like you're out of the woods.

It's a weird ass virus. My wife had 3 people test positive on the same day, a 44 year old and an elderly couple (96 & 97 yrs old). The elderly couple barely had the sniffles and the 44 year old just came off the vent like 3 days ago.

[DarrinS]

That's good to hear. People who are going to crash usually do so by day 7. Sounds like you're out of the woods.

It's a weird ass virus. My wife had 3 people test positive on the same day, a 44 year old and an elderly couple (96 & 97 yrs old). The elderly couple barely had the sniffles and the 44 year old just came off the vent like 3 days ago.


Barely did anything to Chuck Grassley, and he's 87 (I think). Was 44 year old obese?

[SnakeBoy]

Barely did anything to Chuck Grassley, and he's 87 (I think). Was 44 year old obese?

Didn't ask but she's American so probably

[hater]

OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.

Review your will ma neggro

[boutons_deux]

:tu

I haven't read that moving the vaccine around is a problem

It's more of supply at the manufacturing level being limited

Then the supply of people at the retail level to actually give the vaccines for example I think it was CVS that said they simply don't have enough people if they even had the vaccine

[ElNono]

I haven't read that moving the vaccine around is a problem

It's more of supply at the manufacturing level being limited

Then the supply of people at the retail level to actually give the vaccines for example I think it was CVS that said they simply don't have enough people if they even had the vaccine

If it's the Pfizer one, you have to keep it frozen even while transporting. I can see that causing some challenges, especially in small, far away towns.

[DarrinS]

Its not just the supply chain. The process for getting appointments, at least here in SA, is stupid. At the place I'm trying to get my mom an appointment, its a telephone number that you have to keep calling and hope you eventually don't get a busy signal. I guess they didn't design a web portal or app, probably assuming the elderly/poor wouldn't have access? There has to be a better way to streamline appointments.

[tholdren]

damn, take care of your loved one.

Lol9loloo

[boutons_deux]

If it's the Pfizer one, you have to keep it frozen even while transporting. I can see that causing some challenges, especially in small, far away towns.

Yeah though the dry ice packing is is well known but what does Amazon's logistics bring to that is it really add anything
?

[DarrinS]

Yeah though the dry ice packing is is well known but what does Amazon's logistics bring to that is it really add anything
?

Scale

[ElNono]

Its not just the supply chain. The process for getting appointments, at least here in SA, is stupid. At the place I'm trying to get my mom an appointment, its a telephone number that you have to keep calling and hope you eventually don't get a busy signal. I guess they didn't design a web portal or app, probably assuming the elderly/poor wouldn't have access? There has to be a better way to streamline appointments.

UCLA here has a web portal and I've been getting emails that we'll get an invite through it. Looks pretty straightforward.

But that's sort of the problem when you don't roll out a federal program. You have a hodge podge of things depending where you live.


Yeah though the dry ice packing is is well known but what does Amazon's logistics bring to that is it really add anything
?

Amazon has had it's own fleet of trucks and planes for a while now, they only use USPS for the last mile, and still deliver to the middle of nowhere in 2-3 days.

When you need to do mass distribution, it's difficult to beat their logistics, and not really cost-effective if it's a temporary problem, like this.

[ElNono]

Lol9loloo

^ meltdown

[tholdren]

UCLA here has a web portal and I've been getting emails that we'll get an invite through it. Looks pretty straightforward.

But that's sort of the problem when you don't roll out a federal program. You have a hodge podge of things depending where you live.



Amazon has had it's own fleet of trucks and planes for a while now, they only use USPS for the last mile, and still deliver to the middle of nowhere in 2-3 days.

When you need to do mass distribution, it's difficult to beat their logistics, and not really cost-effective if it's a temporary problem, like this.

Lollooll


U need healing

Bwahahahaha

[ElNono]

^ another meltdown and a fold

[DarrinS]

Lollooll


U need healing

Bwahahahaha


You offer absolutely zilch to the conversation (any conversation). Fuck off and die in a fire!

[DarrinS]

UCLA here has a web portal and I've been getting emails that we'll get an invite through it. Looks pretty straightforward.

But that's sort of the problem when you don't roll out a federal program. You have a hodge podge of things depending where you live.




They had a very orderly and streamlined process for medical workers and teachers. General public? Not so much. Demand far outpacing supply, at this point.

[ElNono]

They had a very orderly and streamlined process for medical workers and teachers. General public? Not so much. Demand far outpacing supply, at this point.

Yep, and it makes sense too. There's been a discussion on whether to stock up the booster or just give everyone the first dose, and that's because supply is constrained.

On top of that the deals they made with CVS/Walgreens was pretty shitty, IIRC.

[DarrinS]

Yep, and it makes sense too. There's been a discussion on whether to stock up the booster or just give everyone the first dose, and that's because supply is constrained.

On top of that the deals they made with CVS/Walgreens was pretty shitty, IIRC.

Can't get it here yet though CVS/Walgreens/HEB.

Told my mom to wait until demand dies down. They opened it up to 65+ and 18+ (with underlying conditions), so that's probably more than half this fat population.

[SnakeBoy]

You offer absolutely zilch to the conversation (any conversation). Fuck off and die in a fire!

:lol

I don't know why people even respond to him. I can't even shit troll as bad as he does, no matter how hard I try.

[SnakeBoy]

Can't get it here yet though CVS/Walgreens/HEB.

Told my mom to wait until demand dies down. They opened it up to 65+ and 18+ (with underlying conditions), so that's probably more than half this fat population.

Is she over 65? My inlaws got it at Wonderland Mall. They said it was really well organized, no line or anything.

[baseline bum]

Its not just the supply chain. The process for getting appointments, at least here in SA, is stupid. At the place I'm trying to get my mom an appointment, its a telephone number that you have to keep calling and hope you eventually don't get a busy signal. I guess they didn't design a web portal or app, probably assuming the elderly/poor wouldn't have access? There has to be a better way to streamline appointments.

The Alamodome has online signups but damn you have to fill out name and address and all other kinds of shit, so go to their online registration (there is nothing open right now) to see what information you need to stick in a text file for quick copy and paste for when you're actually doing the sign-up when there are slots if you want to try there.

https://covid19.sanantonio.gov/Services/Vaccination-for-COVID-19

[CosmicCowboy]

Still alive. You guys don't want to get this shit.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, mine was pretty typical. I caught it from an employee before he started showing symptoms. Got exposed Monday, he started showing symptoms Tuesday, and I started feeling like shit Wednesday.

[baseline bum]

Still alive. You guys don't want to get this shit.

Shit, you got it right now? I have a young family member in incredible shape and he has some ugly long haul problems with it two months later. Yeah people really don't want to get this.

[baseline bum]

On the plus side even though I know quite a few people who have gotten it and tested positive this latest wave, no one I know has died of it since August. And the only person I know recently who was hospitalized turned out to be negative and had non-COVID pneumonia and was ok in a few days.

[CosmicCowboy]

Shit, you got it right now? I have a young family member in incredible shape and he has some ugly long haul problems with it two months later. Yeah people really don't want to get this.

Yeah, I'm a week into it. I think I'm through the worst now. Trying to stay on top of it. In the parking lot at my docs right now getting an IV.

[hater]

A friend got the pzifer vaccine last week and seems she has symptoms and was in contact with a positive person last sunday.

She most likely has it. And days after getting vaccine :lol

Dumbass shoulda quarantined 2 weeks after the jab

[boutons_deux]

On the plus side even though I know quite a few people who have gotten it and tested positive this latest wave, no one I know has died of it since August. And the only person I know recently who was hospitalized turned out to be negative and had non-COVID pneumonia and was ok in a few days.

I think about 80K have been vaxed in Bexar cty. 1M+ to go.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, I'm a week into it. I think I'm through the worst now. Trying to stay on top of it. In the parking lot at my docs right now getting an IV.get well soon, CC

[SnakeBoy]

BTW, mine was pretty typical. I caught it from an employee before he started showing symptoms. Got exposed Monday, he started showing symptoms Tuesday, and I started feeling like shit Wednesday.

Makes sense. People are most infectious 24 hrs before symptoms which is what makes this virus such a bitch to contain.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5fb6caf832c430e28db3bfa9/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

You should be at the point where you either just get over the bug or you head down the immune dysregulation phase. So I'm glad to hear you're feeling better.

[Winehole23]

big if replicable. oral outpatient treatment.

cum grano salis, this is the press release, more or less


In 4,159 patients proven to be diagnosed with COVID-19 using a PCR test, colchicine resulted in a 25% decrease in hospitalizations, a 50% decrease in the use of ventilation and a decrease in deaths by 44%. “It’s a major breakthrough,” says Dr Late.

Colchicine works to prevent the “major inflammatory storm” that affects the lungs and can send patients to hospital.

https://thecanadian.news/2021/01/23/major-breakthrough-large-study-shows-effectiveness-of-colchicine-to-treat-covid-19/

[Reck]

Whatever happened to the “do it at home” tests they were talking about?

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I'm a week into it. I think I'm through the worst now. Trying to stay on top of it. In the parking lot at my docs right now getting an IV.

Glad to hear.

[baseline bum]

Makes sense. People are most infectious 24 hrs before symptoms which is what makes this virus such a bitch to contain.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5fb6caf832c430e28db3bfa9/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

You should be at the point where you either just get over the bug or you head down the immune dysregulation phase. So I'm glad to hear you're feeling better.

I don't get this fucking virus at all. I have some LOL Fat Antonions I know who weren't hit too hard and then I have a family member young and in ridiculously good shape who had almost two weeks of 101-102 fever and is just now getting over the lung inflammation two months later.

[pgardn]

I don't get this fucking virus at all. I have some LOL Fat Antonions I know who weren't hit too hard and then I have a family member young and in ridiculously good shape who had almost two weeks of 101-102 fever and is just now getting over the lung inflammation two months later.

This virus asks questions of a wide variety of bodies.
And it seems it does so by testing a range of body “parts“ by lowering oxygen levels basically asking, any problem here? oh no, let’s go ask your neighbor
Mr. Brain.

There are a bunch of cells in the body that are very sensitive to a lack of oxygen, some react quickly and violently, and some can take it.

This is my basic model at this point just reading about the variety of symptoms and times it takes to get over this thing, and how people are dying.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm doing a 6 day ivermectin regimen. Was already doing doxycycline for my chronic staph infection in my knee. You guys might check it out if you get it. Even if you don't think you are dying, I strongly recommend you see a doctor that knows their shit. This think attacks the body in weird ways. We did blood work and found it had made my blood almost 4 times as thick as normal which is why people are throwing clots and having strokes. Had to go on a blood thinner.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, I did my initial diagnosis at Texas Med Clinic. They just said, yeah, you got it. Go home and quarantine and drink a lot of fluids. Didn't so shit else.

[Winehole23]

BTW, I did my initial diagnosis at Texas Med Clinic. They just said, yeah, you got it. Go home and quarantine and drink a lot of fluids. Didn't so shit else.Thanks for posting, I've been worried.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, CC.

[DarrinS]

I'm doing a 6 day ivermectin regimen. Was already doing doxycycline for my chronic staph infection in my knee. You guys might check it out if you get it. Even if you don't think you are dying, I strongly recommend you see a doctor that knows their shit. This think attacks the body in weird ways. We did blood work and found it had made my blood almost 4 times as thick as normal which is why people are throwing clots and having strokes. Had to go on a blood thinner.

Did you have to ask your doc for Ivermectin? Or, did the Dr recommend it?

[tholdren]

Thanks for posting, I've been worried.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, CC.

Bwahahjahahahahahahahhahah


Its a cold

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahahjahahahahahahahhahah


Its a coldYou're mentally ill.

Seek help.

[tholdren]

This virus asks questions of a wide variety of bodies.
And it seems it does so by testing a range of body “parts“ by lowering oxygen levels basically asking, any problem here? oh no, let’s go ask your neighbor
Mr. Brain.

There are a bunch of cells in the body that are very sensitive to a lack of oxygen, some react quickly and violently, and some can take it.

This is my basic model at this point just reading about the variety of symptoms and times it takes to get over this thing, and how people are dying.

Lolooooloklllollllloolloooollo


No one healthy is dying at any rate higher than flu


You lost.

[spurraider21]

I'm doing a 6 day ivermectin regimen. Was already doing doxycycline for my chronic staph infection in my knee. You guys might check it out if you get it. Even if you don't think you are dying, I strongly recommend you see a doctor that knows their shit. This think attacks the body in weird ways. We did blood work and found it had made my blood almost 4 times as thick as normal which is why people are throwing clots and having strokes. Had to go on a blood thinner.
:tu hope you and yours skate by without lingering effects like the kinds baseline bum mentioned

[CosmicCowboy]

Did you have to ask your doc for Ivermectin? Or, did the Dr recommend it?

The doctor recommended it with doxycycline. Insurance doesn't cover it .was about $150 for the regimen.

[CosmicCowboy]

I also recommend getting the oxygen reader for your finger. They arent expensive. You can have drastically drops in oxygen saturation before you ever show other symptoms.

[hater]

I also recommend getting the oxygen reader for your finger. They arent expensive. You can have drastically drops in oxygen saturation before you ever show other symptoms.

:tu

Yup. Great advice.

[CosmicCowboy]

:tu

Yup. Great advice.

We bought ours before christmas.

[DarrinS]

NIH changed its treatment guidelines on Ivermectin

https://covid19criticalcare.com

[DarrinS]

The doctor recommended it with doxycycline. Insurance doesn't cover it .was about $150 for the regimen.

Let us know how quickly it works.

[boutons_deux]

Why California's vaccine roll-out has been such a mess

"I think it really has to do with proactivity, but much of the fault doesn't lie necessarily with the state,

it does lie mostly with the federal government for kind of not putting enough time into this last mile of vaccination and really just assuming that once the vaccine was delivered, that everything would just smooth wouldn't run smoothly," Adalja said, noting that

the COVID-19 vaccine can't be administered "on the fly" like the flu vaccine.

Californians are now hopeful that a change in guard will bring a sigh of relief.

On Thursday, President Joe Biden released a national plan (https://www.salon.com/2021/01/21/medical-experts-hail-president-bidens-early-and-aggressive-covid-19-push/) to expedite the process.

Dr. Chin-Hong said that a national strategy will definitely help, particularly considering it's the first time that the country has had one.

But he fears the confusion in California is also a symptom of public health being consistently underfunded for years.

"Public health has been defunded for many years, so you can't put on a Broadway show overnight," he said.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/23/why-californias-vaccine-roll-out-has-been-such-a-mess/

CA cannot enlist enough people to be vaccinators, so 100Ks of vaccines in the state are not being injected.

[boutons_deux]

Merck Shuts Down Covid Vaccine Program After Results

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-25/merck-shuts-down-covid-vaccine-program-after-lackluster-data

[boutons_deux]

Boston Globe email

"Moderna said Monday that its two-dose COVID-19 vaccine generates a weaker immune response against a worrisome strain of the disease that first emerged in South Africa,

prompting the firm to plan a clinical trial in the United States of a “booster” shot that recipients would receive."

[DarrinS]

Boston Globe email

"Moderna said Monday that its two-dose COVID-19 vaccine generates a weaker immune response against a worrisome strain of the disease that first emerged in South Africa,

prompting the firm to plan a clinical trial in the United States of a “booster” shot that recipients would receive."


https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-retains-neutralizing-activity-against

[Trill Clinton]

I'm doing a 6 day ivermectin regimen. Was already doing doxycycline for my chronic staph infection in my knee. You guys might check it out if you get it. Even if you don't think you are dying, I strongly recommend you see a doctor that knows their shit. This think attacks the body in weird ways. We did blood work and found it had made my blood almost 4 times as thick as normal which is why people are throwing clots and having strokes. Had to go on a blood thinner.

hope you have a speedy recovery, fam.

[hater]

:lmao booster shot

Sounds like this was carefully and scientifically decided :lmao

I wonder if they will charge extra $$$ for this "booster"

[Winehole23]

:lmao booster shot

Sounds like this was carefully and scientifically decided :lmao

I wonder if they will charge extra $$$ for this "booster"Vaccines are designed for specific pathogens. When they mutate, the vaccines can become less effective.

What part of that don't you understand?