Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[hater]

:lmao Facci just told CNN that actually a vaccine wont b ready this year. He promises it by end of next year :lmao

:lol Facci

Called it :tu

[hater]

Facci is such a piece of shit.

Reminds me of this dentists I used to have. Nice guy on d surface but would bullshit treat and charge for everything even a phone call.

[tholdren]

Not needed vax

[ChumpDumper]

Not needed vax
You'll be first in line wearing your mask.

[goliath]

Re Fauci on cnn, he actually said he was optimistic that their would be a vacinne
by end of year. He said he didn’t expect a return to normal precovid life until mid/late 2021

[tholdren]

Re Fauci on cnn, he actually said he was optimistic that their would be a vacinne
by end of year. He said he didn’t expect a return to normal precovid life until mid/late 2021

llolooook

2 more weeks

[hater]

Re Fauci on cnn, he actually said he was optimistic that their would be a vacinne
by end of year. He said he didn’t expect a return to normal precovid life until mid/late 2021

So why didnt he saybthis 2 months ago when he said he was optimistic of a vaccine by October?

[tholdren]

Don't forget your goggles. LoloIiioooill


These ChumpDumpers have been saying 2 weeks for 6 months. Can you imagine being that low level?

[ChumpDumper]

f:lolldren still scared of me.

[pgardn]

Russians did good calling it sputnik tbqh. It was fast but it worked.

Yes its exactly the same thing.

My god... the comparisons...

I hope it works. But I do not trust the Russians in life sciences at all. They are way behind. They have tried to steal info from some big biotech firms, wonder how that went.

[boutons_deux]

BigPharma is well known for hiding the negative results of their shit, while pushing the positive results.

totally untrustworthy snake oil scammers, killed / damaged Ms, paid $10Bs in fines, compensation, nobody in jail

Vaccine Makers Keep Safety Details Quiet, Alarming Scientists

Researchers say drug companies need to be more open about how vaccine trials are run

to reassure Americans who are skittish about getting a coronavirus vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/science/coronavirus-vaccine-trials.html

[DMC]

So why didnt he saybthis 2 months ago when he said he was optimistic of a vaccine by October?

They can issue a revision and it's like they never said it. This is what happens when you apply political pressure to science.

[tholdren]

Don't forget your goggles. LoloIiioooill


These ChumpDumpers have been saying 2 weeks for 6 months. Can you imagine being that low level?

[SnakeBoy]

Re Fauci on cnn, he actually said he was optimistic that their would be a vacinne
by end of year. He said he didn’t expect a return to normal precovid life until mid/late 2021

More important thing he said about a vaccine



The FDA is targeting a 50-percent effectiveness rate for new vaccines. What do you say to people who say that since a vaccine might work only half the time, there's no point in getting it?

Any degree of protection is better than no degree of protection. You need to make sure that people understand that you will not 100 percent protected. Therefore, you need to continue to wear a mask, you need to continue to be physically distant, and you need to continue to avoid crowds. Having the vaccine on board is just an extra, added level of protection.

[boutons_deux]

The Latest Supplement Touted As a COVID-19 Treatment?

Melatonin

A Texas physician claims he treated hundreds of COVID-19 patients with everyone's favorite sleep aid.

But there's reasons to be wary of the hype.

The treatment appears to have provided vitamin C and vitamin D to patients as well.

Neither vitamin qualifies as a verified and scientifically backed SARS-CoV-2

treatment, but their inclusion means that even if patient success was due to these supplements,

the melatonin might not be the only factor.

Vague success claims aside, a handful of others have written about the possible ways melatonin might reduce the severity of a SARS-CoV-2 infection, and

there's currently a clinical trial running (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04474483) in the U.S


https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-latest-supplement-touted-as-a-covid-19-treatment-melatonin

[DMC]

More important thing he said about a vaccine

Fauci is fucking retarded if he thinks people are going to take a vaccine and continue to act like they didn't.

[hater]

:lol Fauci. One of the greatest conmen of our era.

[Ef-man]

:lol Fauci. One of the greatest conmen of our era.

Yes, everyone is in agreement that this administration messed up on the handling of the pandemic response.

Not much of an argument.

[hater]

Why go through the trouble of developing and deploying a shitty vaccine that will only be "an extra layer"??

Why not just tell everyone to wear a 2nd mask on top of the first :lol

F:lolUCI

[Ef-man]

Why go through the trouble of developing and deploying a shitty vaccine that will only be "an extra layer"??

Why not just tell everyone to wear a 2nd mask on top of the first :lol

F:lolUCI

Yes, trump should not rush a bad vaccine.

Trump should give big pharmaceutical companies time to develop and deploy a good vaccine that will be effective and will not require a wearing a second mask.

Why is trump pressuring big pharmaceutical companies to rush a bad vaccine prior to the election?

[pgardn]

Why go through the trouble of developing and deploying a shitty vaccine that will only be "an extra layer"??

Why not just tell everyone to wear a 2nd mask on top of the first :lol

F:lolUCI

you completely don’t get 50% effective.
effective at what, completely eliminating symptoms.

if this vaccine works like other vaccines that are not 100% effective can reduce the symptoms in a way that keeps people out of hospitals and at the same time reduces their ability to infect other people.

you’re basic MO is to pretend like the Russians have made a reliable vaccine before the US ... Mr. Sputnik. “An “approved” vaccine inRussia! Holy shit, called it”


you just don’t get it.

[pgardn]

They can issue a revision and it's like they never said it. This is what happens when you apply political pressure to science.

or they can just continue to lie.
like the last 3+ years

[pgardn]

Fauci is fucking retarded if he thinks people are going to take a vaccine and continue to act like they didn't.

pretty much when the president basically encourages bad behavior.

[hater]

Yes, trump should not rush a bad vaccine.

Trump should give big pharmaceutical companies time to develop and deploy a good vaccine that will be effective and will not require a wearing a second mask.

Why is trump pressuring big pharmaceutical companies to rush a bad vaccine prior to the election?

Agree. I dont think its only Trump. US olygarchy wants to rush a vaccine to avoid economic apocalypse. They dont care if we eventually will grow pig tails due to a bad vaccine batch. Saving their billions and empire is more important.

[pgardn]

Yes, trump should not rush a bad vaccine.

Trump should give big pharmaceutical companies time to develop and deploy a good vaccine that will be effective and will not require a wearing a second mask.

Why is trump pressuring big pharmaceutical companies to rush a bad vaccine prior to the election?

The rush is two parts:

1. Get one before flu season; we know, especially in cold climates, people will be inside with each other.
2. Absolutely political. Trump needs to at least be able to say we have a vaccine, line up. Especially After completely downplaying the virus, even though he knew how bad it could become. The panic excuse is laughable. He could have 4 more years in the bag with honesty in what we might confront. Its written out clearly how to handle communicating these things, he decided against using this because it involves saying we might be wrong and includes telling the truth.

[DMC]

Since 50% are asymptomatic and even more don't have severe symptoms, we can just give the vaccine to those who are at highest risk. Badda boom, badda bing... zoom

[DMC]

pretty much when the president basically encourages bad behavior.

Me "Fauci.."

Left (including you): "Orangeman bad"

[pgardn]

Me "Fauci.."

Left (including you): "Orangeman bad"

get off his penis.
Orange man is a liar. And he has been caught and shows no regret.

but, but, but....
they are all liars. Basic DMC argument.
The fair broker of ST speaks.

[pgardn]

Since 50% are asymptomatic and even more don't have severe symptoms, we can just give the vaccine to those who are at highest risk. Badda boom, badda bing... zoom

wtf are you on?
Think about the vaccines we currently have available every year and what the goal is.

[SnakeBoy]

US olygarchy wants to rush a vaccine to avoid economic apocalypse.

Not as bad as Russia and China tho

[ChumpDumper]

wtf are you on?
Think about the vaccines we currently have available every year and what the goal is.He's drunk.

[tholdren]

wtf are you on?
Think about the vaccines we currently have available every year and what the goal is.

same thing as the mask.

[ChumpDumper]

same thing as the mask.:lol You just want to chain smoke indoors.

[boutons_deux]

He's drunk.

chemical imbalance, not consumed, it's endogenous

[boutons_deux]

https://www.cdn-liker.com/uploads/large_images/5f5f4c10332c2.jpg

[hater]

Not as bad as Russia and China tho

Id same to a similar degree. Tbqh

China started working on their vaccine way earlier. And Russia used a proven old method, they are not using novel monkey genome methods.

[TSA]

Id same to a similar degree. Tbqh

China started working on their vaccine way earlier. And Russia used a proven old method, they are not using novel monkey genome methods.

https://twitter.com/HawgnDos/status/1305696975699021826

[rmt]

Since 50% are asymptomatic and even more don't have severe symptoms, we can just give the vaccine to those who are at highest risk. Badda boom, badda bing... zoom

Yep. My parents and mother-in-law will be first in line to get it. Then I'll breathe a sigh of relief and go about my normal life. Asthmatic son has been at college with in person classes for 4 weeks and hasn't caught it so far (at least not that we know of) - no vaccine for him - in his case, the cure might be worse than the disease.

[rmt]

https://www.cdn-liker.com/uploads/large_images/5f5f4c10332c2.jpg

That's cute, bou.

[Winehole23]

"Monkeys exaggerate, mice lie."


University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine scientists have isolated the smallest biological molecule to date that completely and specifically neutralizes the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is the cause of COVID-19. This antibody component, which is 10 times smaller than a full-sized antibody, has been used to construct a drug — known as Ab8 — for potential use as a therapeutic and prophylactic against SARS-CoV-2.

The researchers report today (September 14, 2020) in the journal Cell that Ab8 is highly effective in preventing and treating SARS-CoV-2 infection in mice and hamsters. Its tiny size not only increases its potential for diffusion in tissues to better neutralize the virus, but also makes it possible to administer the drug by alternative routes, including inhalation. Importantly, it does not bind to human cells — a good sign that it won’t have negative side-effects in people.

Ab8 was evaluated in conjunction with scientists from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) and University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) at Galveston, as well as the University of British Columbia and University of Saskatchewan.

“Ab8 not only has potential as therapy for COVID-19, but it also could be used to keep people from getting SARS-CoV-2 infections,” said co-author John Mellors, M.D., chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at UPMC and Pitt. “Antibodies of larger size have worked against other infectious diseases and have been well tolerated, giving us hope that it could be an effective treatment for patients with COVID-19 and for protection of those who have never had the infection and are not immune.”
https://scitechdaily.com/ab8-covid-19-drug-breakthrough-tiny-antibody-component-completely-neutralizes-the-sars-cov-2-virus/

[boutons_deux]

"Monkeys exaggerate, mice lie."

https://scitechdaily.com/ab8-covid-19-drug-breakthrough-tiny-antibody-component-completely-neutralizes-the-sars-cov-2-virus/

notice how many "foreign" surnames are in the list of scientists.

The very foreigners that Trash/Miller want to send home / keep out of USA

[Winehole23]

notice how many "foreign" surnames are in the list of scientists.

The very foreigners that Trash/Miller want to send home / keep out of USA
our racist foreign policy emphasis is strategically dumb, if tactically effective.

[Winehole23]

interesting emphasis

1306254147071758336

[boutons_deux]

interesting emphasis

1306254147071758336

... Trash will fire him for pro-mask-iness

[boutons_deux]

2. Trial suggests antibody drug could reduce patients' hospitalization odds




Eli Lilly's monoclonal coronavirus antibody drug is off to a "good start" after the pharmaceutical giant completed a small clinical trial, Stat News reports.

Only about 450 patients were enrolled in the trial, so there's a long way to go before Lilly finds anything definitive,

but Stat reports the medicine — a manufactured version of the naturally-occurring antibodies the body produces to fend off the virus —

appeared to reduce patients' hospitalization odds.

Only 1.7 percent of the patients who received the drug went to the emergency room or were hospitalized,

compared to 6 percent who took a placebo.

Daniel Skovronsky, Lilly's chief scientific officer, said the early data are "extremely exciting" and

"should give us confidence that neutralizing antibodies are going to be an important part of the solution" to the pandemic.

Skovronsky said the company will discuss additional clinical trials with regulators,

as well as options like an emergency use authorization. [Stat News (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=b682803df5&e=0d3971149b)]






-- email from The Week

[hater]

interesting emphasis

1306254147071758336

:lol

I actually agree

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus immunity may not last more than 12 months, study finds

A group of scientists studied protective immunity to similar coronaviruses and

reached troubling conclusions

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/16/coronavirus-immunity-may-not-last-more-than-12-months-study-finds/

[DarrinS]

It would be sad if we eventually learn that cheap shit from CVS could protect you.

Oh well.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol drunk Dr. Karrin muses

[Winehole23]

It would be sad if we eventually learn that cheap shit from CVS could protect you.

Oh well.Like what?

[pgardn]

notice how many "foreign" surnames are in the list of scientists.

The very foreigners that Trash/Miller want to send home / keep out of USA


The brain drain.
complete stupidity...

[pgardn]

It would be sad if we eventually learn that cheap shit from CVS could protect you.

Oh well.

It would be wonderful.

But because it would be wonderful lets not pretend/lie that some cheap anti malarial really works.

[tholdren]

It would be wonderful.

But because it would be wonderful lets not pretend/lie that some cheap anti malarial really works.

lol a vaccine. Loloooooollkoklklkklll


Go get a flu shot too!!

[pgardn]

lol a vaccine. Loloooooollkoklklkklll


Go get a flu shot too!!

got it.
why did you get a DPT vaccine old man?
Can you explain that?

[tholdren]

got it.
why did you get a DPT vaccine old man?
Can you explain that?

lololoolll


Masks work so you need to stay inside and get a vaccine. Loloooolooolooooll

Bwagahhahahahhaahha


Masks and vaccines lolol

[tholdren]

lololoolll


Masks work so you need to stay inside and get a vaccine. Loloooolooolooooll

Bwagahhahahahhaahha


Masks and vaccines lolol

[tholdren]

max vaccine fail

[ElNono]

^ look at f:lolldren spinning wheels... bunkerbitch desperate for attention

[SnakeBoy]

Like what?

Vitamins I assume he's talking about. D in particular.

You're fool not to be taking vitamin D at a minimum. Also a fool to take it and think it makes you invulnerable to covid.

[tholdren]

max vaccine fail

[tholdren]

200 million dead Americans

[ElNono]

^^^ :lmao more meltdown

[tholdren]

lololoolol masks!!!!

[tholdren]

The predicted pandemic with millions of deaths

At the beginning of the pandemic, the measures were understandable and widely supported, even if there were differences in implementation in the countries around us. The WHO originally predicted a pandemic that would claim 3.4% victims, in other words millions of deaths, and a highly contagious virus for which no treatment or vaccine was available. This would put unprecedented pressure on the intensive care units (ICUs) of our hospitals.

This led to a global alarm situation, never seen in the history of mankind: “flatten the curve” was represented by a lockdown that shut down the entire society and economy and quarantined healthy people. Social distancing became the new normal in anticipation of a rescue vaccine

[ElNono]

^ more gossip and wrong

[tholdren]

The predicted pandemic with millions of deaths

At the beginning of the pandemic, the measures were understandable and widely supported, even if there were differences in implementation in the countries around us. The WHO originally predicted a pandemic that would claim 3.4% victims, in other words millions of deaths, and a highly contagious virus for which no treatment or vaccine was available. This would put unprecedented pressure on the intensive care units (ICUs) of our hospitals.

This led to a global alarm situation, never seen in the history of mankind: “flatten the curve” was represented by a lockdown that shut down the entire society and economy and quarantined healthy people. Social distancing became the new normal in anticipation of a rescue vaccine

el.wrongwrong llloolopo

[Ef-man]

Foldren, you want your mama to get sick?

Then tell her to wear a mask.

Dont be like the derp.

[tholdren]

Foldren, you want your mama to get sick?

Then tell her to wear a mask.

Dont be like the derp.
Masks dont work.

Good try

[Ef-man]

Masks dont work.

Good try

Ok, then when your mom gets sick from covid you will be praying she does not die.

Sleep on that.

Tell her to wear a mask.

[tholdren]

Ok, then when your mom gets sick from covid you will be praying she does not die.

Sleep on that.

Tell her to wear a mask.

masks dont work. Lol you are not using science. You believe cdc. Lolololololooloollollop

Wear a mask. Lolololollloll

And hide

Lololololo

[Ef-man]

masks dont work. Lol you are not using science. You believe cdc. Lolololololooloollollop

Wear a mask. Lolololollloll

And hide

Lololololo

Ok. I will lolol and bwahaja when you start crying about your mom getting sick.

And you will fold.

Tell her to wear a mask.

[tholdren]

Ok. I will lolol and bwahaja when you start crying about your mom getting sick.

And you will fold.

Tell her to wear a mask.

why would I tell anyone to wear something? Let alone something that doesn't work?

You are scared and that is sad

[Ef-man]

Foldren folds

[tholdren]

lolololololololololl

There are people still out there scared. 2 more weeks!!!!

[ElNono]

Foldren folds

[boutons_deux]

From The Wire email




















Solving COVID






1. Johnson & Johnson begins phase 3 trial of single-shot COVID-19 vaccine (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=02ac0c2b31&e=0d3971149b)



Johnson & Johnson has launched a phase three trial for its COVID-19 vaccine candidate and will enroll up to 60,000 participants. This is the fourth coronavirus vaccine candidate to enter phase three clinical trials in the United States but the first candidate hoping to provide protection with only one shot. Experts said a vaccine requiring just one dose would prove advantageous for delivering it to as many people as possible quickly. Johnson & Johnson CEO Alex Gorsky called this a "pivotal milestone," and the company said that if the vaccine proves to be safe and effective, it's expecting that "the first batches" could be "available for emergency use authorization in early 2021." [The Washington Post (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=8b4ccdfda9&e=0d3971149b), The New York Times (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=fece8c2234&e=0d3971149b)]

















2. At-home coronavirus test delivers results in 15 minutes (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=2908b2f354&e=0d3971149b)



Computer vision startup Gauss and biotech company Cellex have created the first COVID-19 test that can be done fully at home, Axios reports. While existing at-home tests still require sending test samples to a lab for analysis, this one coordinates with an app to deliver results at home in just 15 minutes. To take the test, people follow a video and swipe a nasal swab through both nostrils, then put it in a tube of solution. Drops of that solution head into a rapid test cassette, which delivers lines as a visible test result. People then take a picture of those lines and upload it to Gauss' app, and it uses AI to determine results in about 15 minutes, Axios describes. The Food and Drug Administration still has to approve the test, though it could grant it an emergency use authorization, which would get it out into the world earlier by avoiding much of the typical approval process. [Axios (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=667a1e0d74&e=0d3971149b)]

















3. Moderna will likely know by November if its coronavirus vaccine works (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=674605e2fc&e=0d3971149b)



Moderna is aiming to have its coronavirus vaccine available to the public early next year. Stephane Bancel, CEO of the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based biotech company, told The Boston Globe that Moderna originally planned to determine its vaccine's effectiveness in October. But because infection rates have been slowing, that's becoming "less and less probable." "We've said November," Bancel said. Determining a vaccine's effectiveness requires a good amount of coronavirus infections out there, as a developer needs to know if the vaccine protects people from a virus better than a placebo. The Food and Drug Administration requires a vaccine to prevent at least 50 percent of infections to be considered effective. More than 25,000 people are currently enrolled in Moderna's phase three trial across the country. If everything pans out, Bancel said Moderna will seek an emergency use authorization from the FDA to speed up the vaccine's approval process. Then Moderna can ship the doses it has already produced to the federal government. [The Boston Globe (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=0e282e5e14&e=0d3971149b)]

















4. FDA approves startup's portable coronavirus test kit (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=73bf67ab50&e=0d3971149b)



Visby Medical, a startup in Silicon Valley, last week became the first company to receive an Emergency Use Authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for a portable PCR coronavirus test kit, Reuters reports. PCR testing, considered one of the most accurate diagnostic tools for infectious diseases, usually requires a large, expensive machine to run results, but Visby's product can reportedly fit in a person's palm. The medical equipment company's founder and CEO Adam de la Zerda said he hasn't settled on a price for the kit, but the goal is to make it affordable. For now, the EUA will allow Visby's kit to be used in clinical labs, where it can process a nasal swab and detect COVID-19 in 30 minutes. Eventually Visby aims to sell it directly to consumers for in-home use, per Reuters. [Reuters (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=86f1127fa4&e=0d3971149b)]

















5. The FDA will reportedly roll out tougher standards for COVID-19 vaccine approval (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=5620efb18b&e=0d3971149b)



The Food and Drug Administration is poised to roll out new, rigorous standards for an emergency approval of a coronavirus vaccine. The standards are expected to be much tougher than those used for the controversial emergency clearances of potential COVID-19 treatments hydroxychloroquine and convalescent plasma. Manufacturers will be asked to follow vaccine trial participants for at least two months after they receive their second shot, two individuals familiar with the situation told The Washington Post. The agency will also reportedly be looking for at least five severe COVID-19 cases in the placebo group for each trial, as well as some cases of the disease in older people to see if the vaccine works. The new standards would make it less likely for a vaccine to be approved by November, but they also could ease any growing concerns about vaccine safety. [The Washington Post (https://theweek.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=533a8449522e198f5a133e200&id=c1ff5c0e9c&e=0d3971149b)]

[boutons_deux]

Synthetic biologists have created a slow-growing version of the coronavirus to give as a vaccine

Live vaccines defeated smallpox and polio. One company claims a weakened coronavirus could do the same for covid-19.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/16/1008442/synthetic-biologists-have-created-a-slow-growing-version-of-the-coronavirus-to-give-as-a-vaccine/

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/22/flu-and-covid-19-at-same-time-significantly-increases-risk-of-death#img-1

Small study but having the flu and covid at the same time basically doubled mortality rate

[SnakeBoy]

Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections: Will COVID-19 Follow Suit?
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.567184/full

[ChumpDumper]

Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections: Will COVID-19 Follow Suit?
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.567184/fullSure did this summer, didn't it?

[SnakeBoy]

Sure did this summer, didn't it?

You didn't read

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't readDidn't have to. A lot of people were saying it would be seasonal in March.

It wasn't.

I'm going to say the main difference maker will be just how stupidly the American public acts going forward.

Quote me on it.

[boutons_deux]

Trump threatens to block stricter COVID vaccine standards —

declaring ‘tremendous trust’ in big Pharma ('s campaign donations)

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/trump-threatens-to-block-stricter-vaccine-standards-declaring-tremendous-trust-in-big-pharma/

[Winehole23]

This KHN article includes nuts and bolts info about the data and safety monitoring board for COVID-19 vaccines.


Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer have each released protocols that include details on when their DSMBs would review unblinded information about trial participants, and at what points they could recommend pausing or stopping trials. The vaccine data and safety board organized by NIAID advises a broader oversight group consisting of the drug companies sponsoring the trial and representatives from NIAID and HHS’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority that reviews the DSMB recommendations. Ultimately, the drug company has final authority over whether to submit its data to the Food and Drug Administration.

Moderna and Johnson & Johnson are each aiming for their vaccines to have 60% efficacy, which means there would need to be 60% fewer COVID cases among vaccinated individuals in their trials. AstraZeneca’s target is 50%. The FDA has said any coronavirus vaccine must be at least 50% effective to secure approval from regulators. While the parameters of their clinical trials have similarities, there are some differences, including when and how many times the DSMB can conduct interim reviews to assess whether each vaccine works.

Pfizer is similarly aiming for its vaccine to be 60% effective.https://khn.org/news/these-secret-safety-panels-will-pick-the-covid-vaccine-winners/

[pgardn]

Synthetic biologists have created a slow-growing version of the coronavirus to give as a vaccine

Live vaccines defeated smallpox and polio. One company claims a weakened coronavirus could do the same for covid-19.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/16/1008442/synthetic-biologists-have-created-a-slow-growing-version-of-the-coronavirus-to-give-as-a-vaccine/

My bolded above is absolutely wrong.
See the history of smallpox and polio and you will understand the role the live virus and attenuated virus played in making proper vaccines.

[pgardn]

Didn't have to. A lot of people were saying it would be seasonal in March.

It wasn't.

I'm going to say the main difference maker will be just how stupidly the American public acts going forward.

Quote me on it.

This is what people on this board like Snake use so disingenuously.
If we go back and look at the timeline of what we thought and what we got wrong upon looking back... its a big list.
So just lump it all together and pretend what we now know, was what we thought we knew 6 months ago.

[SnakeBoy]

This is what people on this board like Snake use so disingenuously.
If we go back and look at the timeline of what we thought and what we got wrong upon looking back... its a big list.
So just lump it all together and pretend what we now know, was what we thought we knew 6 months ago.

You didn't read it either. It doesn't say what you and Chump think it says.

[SnakeBoy]

So just lump it all together and pretend what we now know, was what we thought we knew 6 months ago.

You thought people were dying from secondary infections even though we knew they weren't 6 months ago.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't read it either. It doesn't say what you and Chump think it says.It says maybe it will become seasonal and maybe it won't.

Also herd immunity is a thing.

Great stuff.:tu

[DMC]

You thought people were dying from secondary infections even though we knew they weren't 6 months ago.

Careful, he'll hit you with the ELISA creator narrative, and fall short of impressing you.

[pgardn]

You thought people were dying from secondary infections even though we knew they weren't 6 months ago.

I did?

Was probably a good guess at the time.
When was it that I posted this?

[pgardn]

Careful, he'll hit you with the ELISA creator narrative, and fall short of impressing you.

Or the Editor of Time magazine will correct me.
You feel good being a liar? Its fulfilling?

[pgardn]

DMC defending Boots and gets curb stomped.

[DMC]

Or the Editor of Time magazine will correct me.
You feel good being a liar? Its fulfilling?

Trying to compare notes?

[DMC]

DMC defending Boots and gets curb stomped.

:lol no

[pgardn]

:lol no

yes...

[DMC]

I did?

Was probably a good guess at the time.
When was it that I posted this?

Because you've grown so much since then. I mean, we all have.

[pgardn]

Trying to compare notes?

What have I lied about.
Besides just imitating your ridiculous claims about what "we" have accomplished.

[pgardn]

Because you've grown so much since then. I mean, we all have.

You have grown very old very quickly.
Thats about it.

[DMC]

What have I lied about.
Besides just imitating your ridiculous claims about what "we" have accomplished.

You've been lying to yourself for years about your IQ.

[pgardn]

You've been lying to yourself for years about your IQ.

Very true.

Because I don’t believe that shit means much of anything except to identify deficiencies.
Which illustrates your projections are hilarious since I think it’s a pile of crap.
So you keep in that Mensa club and believe it means something asshat.

[DMC]

Very true.

Because I don’t believe that shit means much of anything except to identify deficiencies.
Which illustrates your projections are hilarious since I think it’s a pile of crap.
So you keep in that Mensa club and believe it means something asshat.

So you've been lying to yourself about your IQ.

[Winehole23]

1310084250327154688

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/07/covid-vaccine-needs-horseshoe-crab-blood/

[pgardn]

So you've been lying to yourself about your IQ.

from your point of you yes.

because I don’t what my IQ is and if I did it would mean shit.

but you obviously value it a great deal
and quite clearly I have you intimidated
but that’s all on you; you step into discussions you know little to nothing about, I tell you to stop, you keep going and bury yourself.

[DMC]

You've been lying to yourself for years about your IQ.


Very true.

Because I don’t believe that shit means much of anything except to identify deficiencies.
Which illustrates your projections are hilarious since I think it’s a pile of crap.
So you keep in that Mensa club and believe it means something asshat.


from your point of you yes.

because I don’t what my IQ is and if I did it would mean shit.

but you obviously value it a great deal
and quite clearly I have you intimidated
but that’s all on you; you step into discussions you know little to nothing about, I tell you to stop, you keep going and bury yourself.

My "point of you"? :lol

You seem confused and intimidated.

[DarrinS]

It would be sad if we eventually learn that cheap shit from CVS could protect you.

Oh well.

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

[Ef-man]

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

Yes, they sell face masks at CVS, wear them

[DarrinS]

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

Video by doctor who developed this treatment protocol.

After watching this, its very clear why antivirals don't work late in the disease.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZcDBTEGio

[pgardn]

My "point of you"? :lol

You seem confused and intimidated.

You bring up the IQ thing.
I dont even care.
So its your hangup bud.

You are a lost old fart.

[pgardn]

Just stop.
Its an L.

Call it a W in your head and take two aspirin.

[DMC]

You bring up the IQ thing.
I dont even care.
So its your hangup bud.

You are a lost old fart.

You called it "very true".

Now you're trying to debunk it.

Flip or flop

He's going into v-tach, get a crash cart!

[SnakeBoy]

Video by doctor who developed this treatment protocol.

After watching this, its very clear why antivirals don't work late in the disease.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZcDBTEGio

That's a good video. Thanks for sharing.

[pgardn]

You called it "very true".

Now you're trying to debunk it.

Flip or flop

He's going into v-tach, get a crash cart!

You dont get it.
Call it word salad and be done with it.
Its your way out. Make yourself feel good.

[DarrinS]

This topic oddly falling out of interest

[DMC]

You dont get it.
Call it word salad and be done with it.
Its your way out. Make yourself feel good.

You called it very true. Sounds like you two (you and your other personality) have some fence mending to do. I'll let you at it.

[ElNono]

This topic oddly falling out of interest

The general lack of good news is simply disheartening, tbh...

[Winehole23]

now sharks


According to estimates made by conservationists, around three million sharks are killed every year for squalene, which is also used in cosmetics and machine oil.


There are fears that a sudden rise in demand for the liver oil could threaten populations and see more species become endangered as many species rich in squalene, such as the gulper shark, are already vulnerable.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-half-a-million-sharks-could-be-killed-for-vaccine-experts-warn-12083167

[DarrinS]

The general lack of good news is simply disheartening, tbh...

By design

[boutons_deux]

now sharks

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-half-a-million-sharks-could-be-killed-for-vaccine-experts-warn-12083167

add the huge number of sharks captured, have their fins cut for soup, and thrown back.

the Anthropocene's Mass Extinction well under way, unstoppable

[ChumpDumper]

By design

:lol Darrin declares conspiracy

[pgardn]

You called it very true. Sounds like you two (you and your other personality) have some fence mending to do. I'll let you at it.

now you got me as a split personality

add this to fetal alcohol syndrome, not taking medicine, bipolar, ADHD, autism, Keep going


have you ever considered self reflection?

with the absolute ludicrous claims you have tried to defend, and the time you spend on wriggling and squirming trying to make those claims go away...
it’s possible you might want to try self-examination.

dr. Phil needs time off for himself

[Winehole23]

:lol Darrin declares conspiracyIf only the media were more chipper and upbeat about how great it is to be an American, everyone would be happy. Instead it reports on negative stuff and manufactures The Resistence (tm).

You hate to see it.

[pgardn]

This topic oddly falling out of interest

Possibly because preliminary claims are coming from everywhere now.
The poster can take his pick with a simple Google. It’s getting a bit overwhelming actually.

after you’ve the illness, it appears that remdesivir , plasma (for those who can handle it), proper positioning in the hospital bed is the way to go. Right now if you don’t want to go intubation then vent.

I also signed up to get the vaccine by a company who works getting trial rats for three big pharmaceutical companies. they got all my stuff but I’m afraid I’m too young and don’t have the proper pre-conditions.

I will keep the board informed and in suspense. DMC will be following my condition closely.
Comforting.

[ChumpDumper]

It definitely seems that treatments are getting better at keeping COVID patients from dying. The relative complexity of the treatments make them less sexy for media and tweeters and pundits and politicians looking for a single magic bullet (hydr:lolxychl:lolr:lolquine), and not everyone is using the same regimen. The big deal I see going forward are the possible long term effects for those who don't die. Muh anecdote is a friend in his thirties with no preexisting conditions who still has breathing issues months after clearing the virus. I'm sure Darrin can find some way to treatment shame him.

[boutons_deux]

It definitely seems that treatments are getting better at keeping COVID patients from dying.

sufficient Vit D3 cuts mortality in half

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marlamilling/2020/09/26/adequate-vitamin-d-levels-cuts-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19-in-half-study-finds

I don't want my C19 mortality cut in half,

I don't want C19 AT ALL

[pgardn]

It definitely seems that treatments are getting better at keeping COVID patients from dying. The relative complexity of the treatments make them less sexy for media and tweeters and pundits and politicians looking for a single magic bullet (hydr:lolxychl:lolr:lolquine), and not everyone is using the same regimen. The big deal I see going forward are the possible long term effects for those who don't die. Muh anecdote is a friend in his thirties with no preexisting conditions who still has breathing issues months after clearing the virus. I'm sure Darrin can find some way to treatment shame him.

The friend I had wacked by it lives here.
He now has heart arrhythmia. He had already had EKGs before as a baseline. He also never went to the hospital while sick. but 3 weeks on his back and lost 16 lb.
Also the concern is different people will react differently to the treatments. Imo this virus is very good at showing which parts of our body had pre existing problems that we had not a clue about. That shut off of O2 to different systems is asking questions of our bodies. So we see a wide array of serious symptoms as well as after effects.

[pgardn]

sufficient Vit D3 cuts mortality in half

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marlamilling/2020/09/26/adequate-vitamin-d-levels-cuts-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19-in-half-study-finds

I don't want my C19 mortality cut in half,

I don't want C19 AT ALL




You may not get that luxury the way we have handled this.
Im hoping and actually have this psuedo belief that if I get it, I handle it fine.
But I will be damned if I give it to more vulnerable family and others.
Got way to many bad anecdotes from friends in other places, Im not having this traced back to my stupidity due to a cavalier attitude.

But I do understand the need for normalcy in human relations and your own mental health. I have always exercised heavily and thats always been a great calming agent for me. Just wish the pool would open back up. Im very lucky in getting to do a lot of exercise outdoors.

[ElNono]

By design

Design by who? The whole world is hiding a cure/treatment? Do tell...

[SnakeBoy]

sufficient Vit D3 cuts mortality in half

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marlamilling/2020/09/26/adequate-vitamin-d-levels-cuts-risk-of-dying-from-covid-19-in-half-study-finds

I don't want my C19 mortality cut in half,

I don't want C19 AT ALL




Mother Nature doesn't give a shit what you want. She'll see to it that you get it eventually.

[pgardn]

Mother Nature doesn't give a shit what you want. She'll see to it that you get it eventually.

If we had a blue president it is quite possible that this virus was a message from God.
Not seen a whole lot of this for some "weird" reason.
But we have seen claims it will magically go away, so thats where God must be spending his time.

[boutons_deux]

Common antioxidant enzyme may provide potential treatment for COVID-19


https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-09/uoc--cae092820.php

[boutons_deux]

Less Than Half of Americans Say They Would Get Covid-19 Vaccine

if You PAID Them $100 to Take It
https://www.mediaite.com/news/less-than-half-of-americans-say-they-would-get-covid-19-vaccine-if-you-paid-them-100-to-take-it/

[SnakeBoy]

How much Vitamin D are you taking?

Do you know your vitamin D level?

[boutons_deux]

MODERNA: VACCINE WON'T BE READY UNTIL 2021

Moderna Therapeutics CEO Stéphane Bancel said Wednesday that Moderna would not apply for emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration until at least Nov. 25.

An emergency use authorization lets frontline medical workers and at-risk individuals use the vaccine during the pandemic.

Bancel added that Moderna will not seek FDA approval for vaccine use in the general population until late January,

adding that such an approval will more likely come closer to late March or early April.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-19-live-updates-credibility-problem-cdc_n_5f71f436c5b6cdc24c1c769c?ncid=newsltushpmgne ws#update20200930-2122

will it work? what percentage effective? how long does it protect?

[boutons_deux]

Fuck Trash to hell

Hydroxychloroquine didn't protect health care workers from coronavirus

studies have found the malaria drug

hydroxychloroquine ineffective and

even dangerous (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or)when used to fight coronavirus.

the drug was ineffective in preventing health care workers from contracting coronavirus.

they "cannot recommend the routine use of hydroxychloroquine" to prevent infections among health care workers.

hydroxychloroquine wasn't effective in preventing coronavirus infections after exposure to the virus.

the drug could cause serious side effects in hospitalized patients.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/940940/hydroxychloroquine-didnt-protect-health-care-workers-from-coronavirus-study-shows

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck Trash to hell

Hydroxychloroquine didn't protect health care workers from coronavirus

studies have found the malaria drug

hydroxychloroquine ineffective and

even dangerous (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or)when used to fight coronavirus.

the drug was ineffective in preventing health care workers from contracting coronavirus.

they "cannot recommend the routine use of hydroxychloroquine" to prevent infections among health care workers.

hydroxychloroquine wasn't effective in preventing coronavirus infections after exposure to the virus.

the drug could cause serious side effects in hospitalized patients.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/940940/hydroxychloroquine-didnt-protect-health-care-workers-from-coronavirus-study-showsDr. DarrinS MPH says they did it wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Expert Opinion:

COVID-19 Vaccine Rollout Unlikely Before Fall 2021

The majority of those surveyed were mostly Canadian or American academics with an average of 25 years of experience working in the field.

Many experts also believe that there may be some false starts before an effective vaccine is available.

“The experts we surveyed believe that there is a 1 in 3 chance that the vaccine will receive a safety warning label after approval, and

a 4 in 10 chance that the first large field study will not report efficacy,”

https://scienceblog.com/518835/expert-opinion-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-unlikely-before-fall-2021

[ducks]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi confirmed she would take the coronavirus vaccine if it’s approved, after some Democrats have expressed alarm that President Trump is rushing its approval

[Winehole23]

Efficacy and Safety of Hydroxychloroquine vs Placebo for Pre-exposure SARS-CoV-2 Prophylaxis Among Health Care Workers


This randomized clinical trial did not detect a reduction in SARS-CoV-2 transmission with prophylactic administration of hydroxychloroquine, and all participants who did contract SARS-CoV-2 were either asymptomatic or had mild disease courses with full recoveries. As such, we cannot recommend the routine use of hydroxychloroquine among HCWs to prevent COVID-19.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2771265

[Winehole23]

robust immune response reported in older adults

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-26/astra-oxford-vaccine-produces-immune-response-in-older-adults

[Winehole23]

(reads like a press release, hope it's true)

[Winehole23]

riots in northern Italy over lockdown measures

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/201027103717-06-italy-coronavirus-exlarge-169.jpg
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1424,w_2531,x_0,y_24 4/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1603625732/2020-10-24T222917Z_871196437_RC2APJ9ZD6DQ_RTRMADP_3_HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-ITALY_ttcguz

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/europe/italy-coronavirus-protests-intl/index.html

[boutons_deux]

New study suggests COVID-19 immunity is 'waning'

observed a "significant" decline in the percentage of the population with COVID-19 antibodies, potentially pointing to "waning immunity."

there has been a "significant decline in the proportion of the population with detectable antibodies"

the study suggests that "immunity is waning quite rapidly."

"We don't yet know whether this will leave these people at risk of reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19

https://theweek.com/speedreads/946146/new-study-suggests-covid19-immunity-waning-researchers-say

[boutons_deux]

New Study Suggests COVID-19 May Age Some Patients' Brains By 10 Years

The cognitive effects of the coronavirus can last for months in certain cases, according to researchers.

People recovering from COVID-19 may suffer significant brain function impacts,

with the worst cases of the infection linked to mental decline equivalent to the brain aging by 10 years

in some severe cases, coronavirus infection is linked to substantial cognitive deficits for months.

“People who had recovered, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits.”

The cognitive deficits were “of substantial effect size,“

particularly among people who had been hospitalized with COVID-19,

with the worst cases showing impacts “equivalent to the average 10-year decline in global performance between the ages of 20 to 70.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-age-brain-10-years_l_5f984790c5b6740dfba247c4

[tholdren]

Chumpdump wears a mask and needs a vax. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump wears a mask and needs a vax. Lolf:lolldren lies about every single thing.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump wears a mask and needs a vax. Lol

Chumpdump now says he doesn't wear a mask or need a vax....


Flip flop fold

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump now says he doesn't wear a mask or need a vax....


Flip flop foldSee? f:lolldren lies about every single thing.

[tholdren]

See? f:lolldren lies about every single thing.

So which is it?
You wear a mask or no?
You need a vax or no?

Here's your chance!!

[ChumpDumper]

So which is it?
You wear a mask or no?
You need a vax or no?

Here's your chance!!I wear a mask because they work and are mandated.

I don't necessarily need a vaccination.

What time is it where you are?

Here's you chance to not fold!

[tholdren]

I wear a mask because they work and are mandated.

I don't necessarily need a vaccination.

What time is it where you are?

Here's you chance to not fold!

Bwahjaahahhaha masks dont work.
You didn't answer the vax.
Bwwhahhaahha

5pm

[ChumpDumper]

Bwahjaahahhaha masks dont work.
You didn't answer the vax.
Bwwhahhaahha

5pmI answered both.

:lmao "Australia"

[boutons_deux]

Sanofi halts trials of failed COVID-19 drug

Pharmaceutical company ceases testing of possible coronavirus treatment

after adverse results including pneumonia, death

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/sanofi-halts-trials-of-failed-covid-19-drug/1959972

[boutons_deux]

Remdesivir Fails to Prevent Covid-19 Deaths in Huge Trial

Critics said the study, sponsored by the W.H.O., was too poorly conducted to be definitive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/health/coronavirus-remdesivir-who.html

[Winehole23]

:fight

1321124080448393217

[boutons_deux]

:fight

1321124080448393217


Ministry of Truthiness

[tholdren]

I answered both.

:lmao "Australia"

? You didn't. You do your scared to decide thing. You mad that I left Australia?

[tholdren]

:fight

1321124080448393217

Death threshold has been under pandemic levels for weeks. But continue

[boutons_deux]

Ultrasounds show impact of COVID-19 on the heart

International study may guide therapeutic strategies in patients with and without underlying heart conditions


identifies different types of cardiac structural damage experienced by COVID-19 patients after cardiac injury that

can be associated with deadly conditions including heart attack, pulmonary embolism, heart failure, and myocarditis.

These abnormalities are associated with higher risk of death among hospitalized patients.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201026144522.htm

[tholdren]

Ultrasounds show impact of COVID-19 on the heart

International study may guide therapeutic strategies in patients with and without underlying heart conditions


identifies different types of cardiac structural damage experienced by COVID-19 patients after cardiac injury that

can be associated with deadly conditions including heart attack, pulmonary embolism, heart failure, and myocarditis.

These abnormalities are associated with higher risk of death among hospitalized patients.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201026144522.htm

Lololooolo

[Winehole23]

Death threshold has been under pandemic levels for weeks. But continueWhat is that level?

[tholdren]

What is that level?

Approximately 5.7989%

[Winehole23]

Approximately %Why lie?

Is telling the truth hard for you?

[tholdren]

Why lie?

Is telling the truth hard for you?

What was the lie?

[Winehole23]

What was the lie?Can you furnish support for your figure?

[ChumpDumper]

Can you furnish support for your figure?He cannot.

He is not smart in ten threads.

[tholdren]

Can you furnish support for your figure?

Yes. Its the cdc definition of percentage of death. You dumb?

[tholdren]

Lol ChumpDumper fail

[ChumpDumper]

:lol f:lolldren folds again

[Winehole23]

Yes. Its the cdc definition of percentage of death. You dumb?I see this caveat on the CDC page. Looks like CFR isn't the sole determinant of a pandemic, nor is it necessarily a good one. The picture seems a bit more nuanced than you're giving out here, perhaps your familiarity with the source material has gotten a little rusty.


Novel Framework for Assessing Epidemiologic Effects of Influenza Epidemics and Pandemics



Historically, assessment of influenza pandemic effects has been characterized by using an estimate of the overall CFR (4 (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/1/12-0124_article#r4)). Although this approach provided guidance for planning and projections of the expected number of deaths from pandemic influenza in the population, using that ratio alone presents several challenges. First, deaths from influenza may occur weeks after illness begins and can also be subject to reporting bias, delaying the ability of public health and government leaders to quickly issue recommendations for evidence-based public health interventions if they lack an accurate estimate of CFR. Second, a single overall CFR does not fully account for the varying effects a seasonal epidemic or pandemic could have on vulnerable population subgroups, which could include children or the elderly, those with chronic conditions, or certain racial and ethnic minorities. Finally, CFR does not address other societal effects, such as absenteeism or the demand on health care services from excess outpatient visits and hospitalizations, that could result from increased transmission. Because of these limitations, relying on CFR as a single measure of the effects on a population may make an assessment difficult if such data are not yet available early in a pandemic or misleading if the available data are not well characterized and the biases are not well understood.


Rather than rely only on a single measure, such as the CFR, to assess the potential effects of a pandemic, which may be misleading if those data are unavailable or not representative early in the pandemic, we incorporated several epidemiologic measures into the framework, although the CFR remains a valuable measure of clinical severity. With the creation of a standard scale that includes multiple epidemiologic measures, a variety of data may be incorporated to help synthesize these different measures into an overall indicator of transmissibility and clinical severity.https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/national-strategy/severity-assessment-framework.html
file:///C:/Users/PF0F7MTF/Downloads/12-0124-TECHAPP1.pdf

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I couldn't find your cited figure (Approximately 5.7989%) , perhaps you can point it out for me. Going by CFR alone, as you've suggested is commonly done, suggests a clinical severity of 7 in the USA. Dunno if the other parameters line up, but declaring the pandemic over seems hasty.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/1/12-0124-t2
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

[tholdren]

I see this caveat on the CDC page. Looks like CFR isn't the sole determinant of a pandemic, nor is it necessarily a good one. The picture seems a bit more nuanced than you're giving out here, perhaps your familiarity with the source material has gotten a little rusty.




https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/national-strategy/severity-assessment-framework.html
file:///C:/Users/PF0F7MTF/Downloads/12-0124-TECHAPP1.pdf

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I couldn't find your cited figure (Approximately 5.7989%) , perhaps you can point it out for me. Going by CFR alone, as you've suggested is commonly done, suggests a clinical severity of 7 in the USA. Dunno if the other parameters line up, but declaring the pandemic over seems hasty.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/19/1/12-0124-t2
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Cfr isn't the threshold, dunce, the threshold is the proportion of death from covid as compared to expected annual.

This is why you shouldn't post. This literally explains why ifr is better than cfr.

The percentage i gave you was an approx value of expected.


Them stats tho

[tholdren]

Cfr isn't the threshold, dunce, the threshold is the proportion of death from covid as compared to expected annual.

This is why you shouldn't post. This literally explains why ifr is better than cfr.

The percentage i gave you was an approx value of expected.


Them stats tho

I will also add i got ifr closer to accurate, than the cdc, 9 months ago and have been more correct even with their poisonings and lockdown deaths added into the "pandemic"

I won

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[Winehole23]

Cfr isn't the threshold, dunce, the threshold is the proportion of death from covid as compared to expected annual.

This is why you shouldn't post. This literally explains why ifr is better than cfr.That's sort of why I posted it. You didn't make clear you were talking about ifr. FWIW, I didn't latch onto cfr as a pandemic parameter all by myself, it's discussed as one by the CDC, with multiple caveats.


The percentage i gave you was an approx value of expected. Expected ifr for a pandemic threshold?

Show your math or cite your source.

[tholdren]

That's sort of why I posted it. You didn't make clear you were talking about ifr. FWIW, I didn't latch onto cfr as a pandemic parameter all by myself, it's discussed as one by the CDC, with multiple caveats.

Expected ifr for a pandemic threshold?

Show your math or cite your source.

I'm not talking about ifr. I'm taking about what constitutes a pandemic. Which is death p.

Again, simple things like this, that you obviously have no clue about, are why people like you Elwrongwrong ChumpDumper WrongdomGuy shouldn't post. You dont know anything about the basis of the data being collected, nor do you understand statistics.

[Winehole23]

I'm not talking about ifr. I'm taking about what constitutes a pandemic. Which is death p..According to whom?

The CDC paints a more nuanced picture of what constitutes a pandemic. Can you point out where the CDC says death percentage is the sole determinant of a pandemic?

(Not saying you're wrong, I would just like to see your source. I read through the CDC pandemic classification pages I posted upstream, and found nothing resembling what you say. If I've missed something there, I'd be grateful if you pointed it out. If you dislike ignorance, don't hoard the knowledge.)

[Winehole23]

Again, simple things like this, that you obviously have no clue about, are why people like you Elwrongwrong ChumpDumper WrongdomGuy shouldn't post. You dont know anything about the basis of the data being collected, nor do you understand statistics.The notion that people shouldn't talk about stuff they don't already know is absurd. If one had to be an expert to post on topics, conversation would soon come to an end and zero learning would take place.

[Winehole23]

DarrinS: here's an existing drug that *might* be effective. (The linked study is a preprint, not peer-reviewed.)


Here we report that ethacridine, a safe and potent antiseptic use in humans, effectively inhibits SARS-CoV-2, at very low concentrations (EC50 ~ 0.08 μM). Ethacridine was identified through a high-throughput screening of an FDA-approved drug library in living cells using a fluorescent assay. Interestingly, the main mode of action of ethacridine is to inactivate virus particles, preventing binding to the host cells. Thus, our work has identified a potent drug with a distinct mode of action against SARS-CoV-2https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.28.359042v1.full.pdf

[Winehole23]

Venezuela claims a COVID *cure*:


President Nicolas Maduro said Venezuelan scientists have isolated a molecule that inhibits the Covid-19 virus and will ask the World Health Organization to evaluate its possible use on a global scale. The active ingredient is a derivative of ursolic acid from a plant and non-toxic to humans, Maduro said in an appearance on state television Sunday. Six months of research at the government-backed IVIC scientific institute led to the discovery, he said. “The molecule will be mass-produced and delivered worldwide for the cure of Covid-19,” according to Maduro.

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/science-and-environment/venezuela-s-maduro-presents-molecule-that-inhibits-covid-19-907001.html

[Winehole23]

Remdesevir's "bad look"


Science has learned that both FDA’s decision and the EU deal came about under unusual circumstances that gave the company important advantages. FDA never consulted a group of outside experts that it has at the ready to weigh in on complicated antiviral drug issues. That group, the Antimicrobial Drugs Advisory Committee (ADAC), mixes infectious disease clinicians with biostatisticians, pharmacists, and a consumer representative to review all available data on experimental treatments and make recommendations to FDA about drug approvals—yet it has not convened once during the pandemic.


The European Union, meanwhile, decided to settle on the remdesivir pricing exactly 1 week before the disappointing Solidarity trial results came out. It was unaware of those results, although Gilead, as the trial’s sponsor, began to review the WHO data on 23 September and knew the trial was a bust.


“This is a very, very bad look for the FDA, and the dealings between Gilead and EU make it another layer of badness,” says Eric Topol, a cardiologist at the Scripps Research Translational Institute who objected to remdesivir’s FDA approval.


FDA has no obligation to convene outside panels for its decisions, stresses ADAC member David Hardy, an HIV/AIDS scientist of the University of California, Los Angeles. Yet the agency often does so for tricky drug approvals and Hardy is “amazed” the agency didn’t consult the panel in this case. “This sets the standard for the first COVID-19 antiviral,” he says. “When it comes to the point of giving pharmaceutical companies exclusive marketing rights in this area, that really is something that’s very, very important. And there does need to be more than just governmental input.”
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/very-very-bad-look-remdesivir-first-fda-approved-covid-19-drug

[tholdren]

The notion that people shouldn't talk about stuff they don't already know is absurd. If one had to be an expert to post on topics, conversation would soon come to an end and zero learning would take place.

And zero pandemic would be in place.
Or lockdowns
Or masks

Gossip queens are exactly how this started

[tholdren]

And zero pandemic would be in place.
Or lockdowns
Or masks

Gossip queens are exactly how this started

Wear your mask!!!! Bwahahahahahhahaha

[Winehole23]

And zero pandemic would be in place.
Or lockdowns
Or masks

Gossip queens are exactly how this startedGossip queen pointing the finger is pretty rich. You never back up your BS.

[boutons_deux]

Remdesevir's "bad look"

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/very-very-bad-look-remdesivir-first-fda-approved-covid-19-drug

... when politics is above good government and human lives

[tholdren]

Gossip queen pointing the finger is pretty rich. You never back up your BS.

Nwahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

You still dont know.

How cases are counted
How deaths are counted
What ifr is
What cfr is
What constitutes a pandemic.

List goes on

[tholdren]

Nwahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

You still dont know.

How cases are counted
How deaths are counted
What ifr is
What cfr is
What constitutes a pandemic.

List goes on

[Winehole23]

Asked Wednesday about when he expects the FDA will greenlight use of the first vaccines, Anthony Fauci moved the administration’s stated goalpost.

“Could be January, could be later. We don’t know,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in an online interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehdgceGzQxs) with JAMA editor Howard Bauchner.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/29/it-may-be-time-to-reset-expectations-on-when-well-get-a-covid-19-vaccine/

[Winehole23]

Der Spiegel takes a long look at the various vaccines in the pipeline:


"Manufacturing is going be challenge fo everybody, not only for the next few months but the next 18 months," says Bancel. The steady supply of regulated medical raw materials - such as cell cultures, enzymes and lipids – is particularly sensitive. If just a single component from one of the countless suppliers around the globe is missing, the entire production could come to a halt.


And even if everything works, says Bancel, including approval, production and delivery, there will still be a vaccine shortage for the foreseeable future. "In the first half of next year, at least, maybe until Labor Day next year," says Bancel, "I anticipate that the world is going to be massively supply constrained, meaning not enough vaccine to vaccinate everybody."

https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-challenges-we-face-once-a-coronavirus-vaccine-is-found-a-3f076abd-6b3b-4a45-a619-f03699397ce6

[Winehole23]

On April 19, BioNTech submitted its final application for the clinical study of several vaccine candidates. Approval arrived on April 22 and the first test subject was administered with a vaccine candidate on April 23.


Of the 20 initial candidates, two particularly promising ones remain. They both target the spike proteins that give the virus its distinctive appearance. "Should I sketch out the differences for you?" Sahin asks, as he heads toward a large whiteboard in his office without waiting for an answer. He draws the protein with a couple of quick lines before adding a few statistics and technical terms.


Essentially, though, his explanation boils down to the fact that one of the vaccine candidates focuses on just a part of the spike protein, while the other targets the entire length of the spike. Both approaches are able to deactivate the virus, but the first one triggers a slight fever for one or two days in 70 percent of the test subjects. The one that targets the entire protein, though, only triggers that side effect in 10 to 15 percent of test subjects.

[Winehole23]

Curevac has partnered with Elon Musk


Curevac deliberately took more time. "The field is developing rapidly, and the first substances may not be the final ones,” says Mariola Fotin-Mleczek, Curevac’s chief technology officer. The company is targeting an agent that promises to be more effective, more efficient and also easier to transport, in that it will probably need to be stored only at refrigerator temperatures.

Curevac has long had its sights set on the next crisis, and they believe they’ve found the answer, in the form of a white box, as big as a living room cupboard. A pane of glass provides a view of what’s inside. Surrounded by a maze of tubes and pumps is silver egg, encased by a magnetic ring that moves up and down. It produces RNA. The gadget can be packed into a container and shipped around the world as a portable vaccine laboratory, ready to be set up in university hospitals and laboratories, where it can then begin producing the substance needed using online instructions. "If we had an RNA printer locally, we could produce the required substance in small quantities directly on site so that an outbreak could be controlled locally,” says CTO Fotin-Mleczek.

The device is still a prototype, but it should go into serial production within two years - with help from Elon Musk. The Tübingen-based researchers aren’t plant managers, so they have partnered with the mechanical engineering company Grohmann as their partner. The company was then acquired by Tesla, and Musk himself personally visited Tübingen over the summer to learn more about the mini-bioreactor, which now prominently features the Tesla logo.

[tholdren]

Nwahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

You still dont know.

How cases are counted
How deaths are counted
What ifr is
What cfr is
What constitutes a pandemic.

List goes on

[Winehole23]

1323256937635586050

[ducks]

240,000 people die every month in the USA.
The most recent stats continue to show the death toll in the US is not much changed since 2019 numbers, so not sure people have died OF Covid, more like WITH COvid. The CDC says less than 6 % actually died of Covid, so death toll would be around 13,000.0
Average age of death 78.3, versus life expectancy in the US 78.6, which would just prove the stats above
Below 60 years of age, it is less deadly than the flu. SO all we need is to be responsible, protect the elderly and with pre existing issues, and get back to normal life.
It is more contagious than the FLU, so GET OVER IT, everyone is going to get it sooner or later. The infected numbers are irrelevant. WE were having 30,000 infected daily with 2,000 deaths, we are not with almost 100,000 infected daily with less than 750 deaths

[tholdren]

240,000 people die every month in the USA.
The most recent stats continue to show the death toll in the US is not much changed since 2019 numbers, so not sure people have died OF Covid, more like WITH COvid. The CDC says less than 6 % actually died of Covid, so death toll would be around 13,000.0
Average age of death 78.3, versus life expectancy in the US 78.6, which would just prove the stats above
Below 60 years of age, it is less deadly than the flu. SO all we need is to be responsible, protect the elderly and with pre existing issues, and get back to normal life.
It is more contagious than the FLU, so GET OVER IT, everyone is going to get it sooner or later. The infected numbers are irrelevant. WE were having 30,000 infected daily with 2,000 deaths, we are not with almost 100,000 infected daily with less than 750 deaths

Get outta here with factz

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU6nW97eQIU

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibgb5CTlLao

[boutons_deux]

T-cell Covid immunity 'present in adults six months after first infection'

Study suggests white blood cell levels higher in people who had symptoms

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/t-cell-covid-immunity-present-in-adults-six-months-after-first-infectionCoronavirus (https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak)

[boutons_deux]

MIT Team's Cough Detector Identifies 97% of COVID-19 Cases Even in Asymptomatic People


https://www.sciencealert.com/ai-cough-analysis-could-detect-covid-19-even-if-you-re-asymptomatic

[tholdren]

MIT Team's Cough Detector Identifies 97% of COVID-19 Cases Even in Asymptomatic People


https://www.sciencealert.com/ai-cough-analysis-could-detect-covid-19-even-if-you-re-asymptomatic

99 pct survival rate with 80pct mild symptoms... its the flu

[SnakeBoy]

Denmark will cull ALL of its minks - up to 17 MILLION - after a mutated version of coronavirus was found to have spread to people on farms

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914515/Denmark-cull-minks-17-MILLION.html

[SnakeBoy]

'The mutated virus in mink may pose a risk to the effectiveness of a future vaccine,' Frederiksen said, adding that it 'risks being spread from Denmark to other countries.'

[SnakeBoy]

'The worst case scenario is a new pandemic, starting all over again out of Denmark,' director at the State Serum Institute, Kare Molbak, said.

'The new strain showed diminished sensitivity towards antibodies. That's why we have to take this extremely seriously,' Molbak added.

[SnakeBoy]

Meanwhile in Murica

https://64.media.tumblr.com/de514ac0413078e6c162dea7b9c2a8ec/tumblr_ok9dvqEM4L1qc5nz1o1_500.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/0c/bb/450cbb603959c3d4898440dcbc435886.gif
https://cdn0.littlethings.com/app/uploads/2014/10/tumblr_nc4y1uY1qW1qzizmho1_500.gif

[pgardn]

Denmark will cull ALL of its minks - up to 17 MILLION - after a mutated version of coronavirus was found to have spread to people on farms

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914515/Denmark-cull-minks-17-MILLION.html

That is a more than worthless paper.
If you like the National Enquirer, be my guest in taking a read.


Is it possible to be more than worthless?
Hmmm... debt?

[SnakeBoy]

That is a more than worthless paper.
If you like the National Enquirer, be my guest in taking a read.


Is it possible to be more than worthless?
Hmmm... debt?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/denmark-to-cull-entire-mink-population-after-coronavirus-mutation-spreads-to-humans.html

[SnakeBoy]

Health authorities found virus strains in humans and in mink which showed decreased sensitivity against antibodies, potentially lowering the efficacy of future vaccines, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said at a press conference.

“We have a great responsibility towards our own population, but with the mutation that has now been found, we have an even greater responsibility for the rest of the world as well,” she said.

[DMC]

Meanwhile in Murica

https://64.media.tumblr.com/de514ac0413078e6c162dea7b9c2a8ec/tumblr_ok9dvqEM4L1qc5nz1o1_500.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/0c/bb/450cbb603959c3d4898440dcbc435886.gif
https://cdn0.littlethings.com/app/uploads/2014/10/tumblr_nc4y1uY1qW1qzizmho1_500.gif

Jills and hobs!

[pgardn]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/denmark-to-cull-entire-mink-population-after-coronavirus-mutation-spreads-to-humans.html

Huge might make vaccine ineffective...
And
Which vaccine will it make ineffective, all of them? WE dont have a clue.
WE dont have a vaccine yet...

Way, way early again.

[Winehole23]

ferrets now


Containment of the COVID-19 pandemic requires reducing viral transmission. SARS-CoV-2 infection is initiated by membrane fusion between the viral and host cell membranes, mediated by the viral spike protein. We have designed a dimeric lipopeptide fusion inhibitor that blocks this critical first step of infection for emerging coronaviruses and document that it completely prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection in ferrets. Daily intranasal administration to ferrets completely prevented SARS-CoV-2 direct-contact transmission during 24-hour co-housing with infected animals, under stringent conditions that resulted in infection of 100% of untreated animals. These lipopeptides are highly stable and non-toxic and thus readily translate into a safe and effective intranasal prophylactic approach to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.361154v1?rss=1

[boutons_deux]

and llamas,too :lol

Llama nanobodies could be a powerful weapon against COVID-19
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-llama-nanobodies-powerful-weapon-covid-.html

[Ef-man]

In other news, Frost King's attendance of a MAGAtard event had consequences per CNN:

"Poland reports deadliest day since pandemic began!

Poland has witnessed its deadliest day since the coronavirus pandemic began, with a further 445 deaths reported by its health ministry on Friday.

The country also reported 27,086 new Covid-19 cases -- only 57 fewer than Thursday’s record-high. The total number of confirmed infections in Poland stands at 493,765 and the total death toll at 7,287.

As infections rise across Europe this week, Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced further restrictions that will go into effect from Saturday, including remote learning for younger children, cultural institutions closing, stores reducing capacity and hotels only opening for business trips.

"A step beyond the measures that we are announcing today is only a national quarantine, that is, a total lockdown," said Morawiecki."

[tholdren]

In other news, Frost King's attendance of a MAGAtard event had consequences per CNN:

"Poland reports deadliest day since pandemic began!

Poland has witnessed its deadliest day since the coronavirus pandemic began, with a further 445 deaths reported by its health ministry on Friday.

The country also reported 27,086 new Covid-19 cases -- only 57 fewer than Thursday’s record-high. The total number of confirmed infections in Poland stands at 493,765 and the total death toll at 7,287.

As infections rise across Europe this week, Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced further restrictions that will go into effect from Saturday, including remote learning for younger children, cultural institutions closing, stores reducing capacity and hotels only opening for business trips.

"A step beyond the measures that we are announcing today is only a national quarantine, that is, a total lockdown," said Morawiecki."

A systematic review looking at the ability to culture live virus after a positive PCR test found that the probability of a false positive result increased hugely with each additional cycle after 24 cycles. After 35 cycles, none of the studies included in that review was able to culture any live virus


Cases!!!!!!

[Ef-man]

Here you go, for all the folding! :tu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA



A systematic review looking at the ability to culture live virus after a positive PCR test found that the probability of a false positive result increased hugely with each additional cycle after 24 cycles. After 35 cycles, none of the studies included in that review was able to culture any live virus


Cases!!!!!!

[SnakeBoy]

Aspirin to be investigated as potential treatment for COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/aspirin-to-be-investigated-as-potential-treatment-for-covid-19/ar-BB1aLfci?ocid=uxbndlbing


Doctor I have covid
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning

https://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2016/01/rim-shot-eye-roll.gif

[spurraider21]

Aspirin to be investigated as potential treatment for COVID-19
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/aspirin-to-be-investigated-as-potential-treatment-for-covid-19/ar-BB1aLfci?ocid=uxbndlbing


Doctor I have covid
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning

https://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2016/01/rim-shot-eye-roll.gif
:lol

[tholdren]

A systematic review looking at the ability to culture live virus after a positive PCR test found that the probability of a false positive result increased hugely with each additional cycle after 24 cycles. After 35 cycles, none of the studies included in that review was able to culture any live virus


Cases!!!!!!

[hater]

Health authorities found virus strains in humans and in mink which showed decreased sensitivity against antibodies, potentially lowering the efficacy of future vaccines, Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said at a press conference.

“We have a great responsibility towards our own population, but with the mutation that has now been found, we have an even greater responsibility for the rest of the world as well,” she said.

I thought when virus mutates it usually becomes less deadly right?

[SnakeBoy]

I thought when virus mutates it usually becomes less deadly right?

Not necessarily. The more mild a virus is the more successful it is but that doesn't mean all mutations become more mild.

Things get more risky as the virus travels through different species. Imagine human>ferret>dog>cat>raccoon>coyote>dog>cat>human, who knows wtf that result is. That's why scientists are concerned about wild animal populations getting infected.

[tholdren]

A systematic review looking at the ability to culture live virus after a positive PCR test found that the probability of a false positive result increased hugely with each additional cycle after 24 cycles. After 35 cycles, none of the studies included in that review was able to culture any live virus


Cases!!!!!!

The dumbest of the posters think you can stop the virus and that it is killing people that aren't on their deathbed. 0 understanding of math

[SnakeBoy]

The dumbest of the posters think you can stop the virus and that it is killing people that aren't on their deathbed. 0 understanding of math

It is killing people that aren't on their deathbed.
It cannot be stopped.

[DarrinS]

My neighbor died of covid yesterday. Hispanic man, mid-60's, overweight, but not morbidity obese. Probably had type-2 diabetes. RIP.

[ElNono]

My neighbor died of covid yesterday. Hispanic man, mid-60's, overweight, but not morbidity obese. Probably had type-2 diabetes. RIP.

oh shit, made it to da zip code!

[SnakeBoy]

My neighbor died of covid yesterday. Hispanic man, mid-60's, overweight, but not morbidity obese. Probably had type-2 diabetes. RIP.

Insufficient vitamin D levels tbh
His zinc levels were fine

[DarrinS]

Insufficient vitamin D levels tbh
His zinc levels were fine

Those pre-existing conditions are a bitch.

[DMC]

MIT Team's Cough Detector Identifies 97% of COVID-19 Cases Even in Asymptomatic People


https://www.sciencealert.com/ai-cough-analysis-could-detect-covid-19-even-if-you-re-asymptomatic

So asymptomatic people have symptoms (coughs)?

[DarrinS]

So asymptomatic people have symptoms (coughs)?

Forced cough.

[DMC]

Forced cough.

:lol sure

[tholdren]

Lol9o999oooooooollooo

Previously accepted papers being "withdrawn" that link mask mandates to lower cases and hospitalizations.


Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahagahaggagagahahhahahaha

[boutons_deux]

Some People Already Have Antibodies That Recognize Covid-19, Thanks to Common Colds

https://gizmodo.com/some-people-already-have-antibodies-that-recognize-covi-1845598358

[tholdren]

Lol9o999oooooooollooo

Previously accepted papers being "withdrawn" that link mask mandates to lower cases and hospitalizations.


Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahagahaggagagahahhahahaha

Lolooooolooooooll

[ElNono]

Lolooooolooooooll

meltdown

[tholdren]

meltdown

El wrongwrong wears a mask. What a low iq

[ElNono]

El wrongwrong wears a mask. What a low iq

f:lolldren f:lollds

[tholdren]

El wrongwrong wears a mask. What a low iq

And he folds

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

Ifr. Less
Than
Flu

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

Ifr. Less
Than
Flu

Originally Posted by tholdren

Avg ago of death in the 80s..... scary disease... unpredictable

Not very dangerous

[ElNono]

^ wrong.

[tholdren]

Originally Posted by tholdren

Avg ago of death in the 80s..... scary disease... unpredictable

Not very dangerous

Originally Posted by tholdren

Avg ago of death in the 80s..... scary disease... unpredictable

Not very dangerous

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

Originally Posted by tholdren

Avg ago of death in the 80s..... scary disease... unpredictable

Not very dangerous

Factzzzzzzz

[ElNono]

^ Wrong

[ElNono]

New Nasal Spray Prevents Covid Infection in Ferrets, Study Finds

The New York Times reports: A nasal spray that blocks the absorption of the SARS-CoV-2 virus has completely protected ferrets it was tested on (https://www.loscerritosnews.net/2020/11/06/nyt-nasal-spray-prevents-covid-infection-in-ferrets-study-finds/), according to a small study released on Thursday by an international team of scientists. The study, which was limited to animals and has not yet been peer-reviewed, was assessed by several health experts at the request of The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/health/coronavirus-ferrets-vaccine-spray.html).

If the spray, which the scientists described as nontoxic and stable, is proved to work in humans, it could provide a new way of fighting the pandemic. A daily spritz up the nose would act like a vaccine.

The compound in the spray — a lipopeptide developed by Anne Moscona, MD, and Matteo Porotto, PhD, professors in the Department of Pediatrics and directors of the Center for Host-Pathogen Interaction — is designed to prevent the new coronavirus from entering host cells (https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/could-nasal-spray-prevent-coronavirus-transmission). The antiviral lipopeptide is inexpensive to produce, has a long shelf life, and does not require refrigeration. These features make it stand out from other antiviral approaches under development, including monoclonal antibodies. The new nasal lipopeptide could be ideal for halting the spread of COVID in the United States and globally; the transportable and stable compound could be especially key in rural, low-income, and hard-to-reach populations.

A preprint of the study appeared in bioRxiv on November 5 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.361154v1); a paper describing a first generation of the compound and its effect in a 3D model of the human lung first appeared in the journal mBio (https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/5/e01935-20.long) on October 20. In this human lung model, the compound was able to extinguish an initial infection, prevent spread of the virus within the lung, and was not at all toxic to the airway cells.

Ferrets are often used in studies of respiratory diseases because the lungs of these animals and humans are similar... The antiviral is easily administered and, based on the scientists' experience with other respiratory viruses, protection would be immediate and last for at least 24 hours.

The scientists hope to rapidly advance the preventative approach to human trials with the goal of containing transmission during this pandemic.

[boutons_deux]

Some People Already Have Antibodies That Recognize Covid-19,

Thanks to Common Colds

https://gizmodo.com/some-people-already-have-antibodies-that-recognize-covi-1845598358

[vy65]

Pfizer’s vaccine claimed to be 90% effective.

[InRareForm]

AMC stock right now wow

[RandomGuy]

AMC stock right now wow

51% one day bump.

Once things start getting close to getting back to normal, there will be a huge glut of movies and demand to match. Probably a good call.

[tholdren]

51% one day bump.

Once things start getting close to getting back to normal, there will be a huge glut of movies and demand to match. Probably a good call.

Lklkllllllllllklkllkkoo this guy logic


LoW

[ElNono]

^ foldren folds