Coronavirus treatments and vaccines thread

[Kurgan]

AMC stock right now wow

I went to my local AMC to see Tenet a month ago on a Friday night. The place was a ghost town. I don't know how they're going to survive this.

[tholdren]

I went to my local AMC to see Tenet a month ago on a Friday night. The place was a ghost town. I don't know how they're going to survive this.

Thank people like Elwrongwrong who shame people into mask wearing and hiding from the flu. They've ruined millions of lives and saved 0. And think they are heroes

Loloookkookll

Ifr

[Kurgan]

Thank people like Elwrongwrong who shame people into mask wearing and hiding from the flu. They've ruined millions of lives and saved 0. And think they are heroes

Loloookkookll

Ifr

Masks aren't the problem. Trump's response to the virus is the issue. He fucked up and everybody's paying the price.

[RandomGuy]

I went to my local AMC to see Tenet a month ago on a Friday night. The place was a ghost town. I don't know how they're going to survive this.

My wife and I saw that one too.

We went back about two weeks ago, and found out that someone who had booked a theater had canceled, so the manager let my wife and I have it to ourselves, and let us pick a Halloween movie to watch. It was fun.

You can rent out an entire theater for less than a hundred bucks.

[Kurgan]

My wife and I saw that one too.

We went back about two weeks ago, and found out that someone who had booked a theater had canceled, so the manager let my wife and I have it to ourselves, and let us pick a Halloween movie to watch. It was fun.

You can rent out an entire theater for less than a hundred bucks.

Is the theater rental limited to one movie or can you do a double feature? Also, what's their movie selection like? Is it just movies released this year and last year.

[RandomGuy]

Is the theater rental limited to one movie or can you do a double feature? Also, what's their movie selection like? Is it just movies released this year and last year.

You can bring in a DVD of your choosing. So the selection is pretty unlimited. :D

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Microsoft says hackers backed by Russia and North Korea

targeted COVID-19 vaccine makers

The technology giant said Friday that

the attacks targeted seven companies in the U.S., Canada, France, India, and South Korea.

But while it blocked the “majority” of the attacks,

Microsoft acknowledged that some were successful.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/13/microsoft-russia-north-korea-hackers-coronavirus-vaccine/

[DMC]

Realize states have very recently ramped up testing so even though the total infection rate is likely higher per capita much of the increased positive cases is due to increased testing.

Free COVID-19 Testing Now Open to All Residents, With or Without Symptoms

LOS ANGELES — Mayor Eric Garcetti announced today that L.A. will be the first big city in America to offer wide-scale, free COVID-19 testing to all residents, whether or not they are experiencing symptoms of the virus. The testing will be open to any resident of Los Angeles County, with tests administered at eight locations inside the City of Los Angeles.

[tholdren]

Realize states have very recently ramped up testing so even though the total infection rate is likely higher per capita much of the increased positive cases is due to increased testing.

Free COVID-19 Testing Now Open to All Residents, With or Without Symptoms

LOS ANGELES — Mayor Eric Garcetti announced today that L.A. will be the first big city in America to offer wide-scale, free COVID-19 testing to all residents, whether or not they are experiencing symptoms of the virus. The testing will be open to any resident of Los Angeles County, with tests administered at eight locations inside the City of Los Angeles.

Only makes ifr get even lower. Avg age of death 80. Avg comorbidities 3. Still.

[tholdren]

Only makes ifr get even lower. Avg age of death 80. Avg comorbidities 3. Still.

[Ef-man]

Folding foldren always folds.

[Winehole23]

1327830867360681989

[Winehole23]

IN GOD WE TRUST, ALL OTHERS PAY CASH

https://news.yahoo.com/poorer-nations-face-vaccine-wait-112614647.html

[tholdren]

Only makes ifr get even lower. Avg age of death 80. Avg comorbidities 3. Still.

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W.H.O. Rejects Antiviral Drug Remdesivir as a Covid Treatment

In a review of several trials, the World Health Organization found that Gilead’s drug did not improve survival rates for patients nor did it help them recover.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/health/remdesivir-covid-19.html

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French Scientist Didier Raoult Given Rusty Razor Award For Pseudoscience

https://www.skeptic.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/french-professor-didier-raoult-biologist-and-professor-of-news-photo-1588176291.jpg

The scientist made headlines around the world earlier this year for his study

promoting the use of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19.

https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2020/11/french-scientist-didier-raoult-given-rusty-razor-award-for-pseudoscience/

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Enormous RTP campus will employ up to 650 to produce Covid vaccine doses

Connecticut-based ApiJect Systems announced Thursday it will build a 185-acre campus, with a potential cost of $785 million, in RTP that will include a gigafactory and up to 650 jobs.

ApiJect, which makes an experimental disposable injection device, said

the 1-million-square-foot campus will be capable of producing 3 billion single-dose prefilled injectors annually.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2020/11/19/apiject-rtp-campus-covid-vaccine-doses-production.html?ana=e_tno&b=1605813727%5E21818645

[Winehole23]

"science-based" is a sell word too.


NEW YORKERS ARE still puzzling over a new, state-wide rule (https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1326597493723893766) that bars, restaurants, and gyms must close at 10 pm to stop the spread of Covid. Was this based on some brand-new evidence that the virus mutates like a gremlin (https://twitter.com/vanae718/status/1326687491605278723), getting worse (https://twitter.com/EmilyAnthes/status/1326640337008406528) at night? You wouldn’t know it from Governor Andrew Cuomo’s announcement, which did not cite any research whatsoever that might justify this policy. The announcement did claim (https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/audio-rush-transcript-governor-cuomo-announces-restaurants-bars-other-sla-licensed-entities), however, that New York uses “more science than any state in the nation.”

I’ve seen this happen again and again since the start of the pandemic: a new, “science-based” Covid-19 measure is prescribed, but the science in support of it is either vague or missing altogether. Just last week, for example, I was working on a story about the latest research into quarantine procedures. The best data to this point suggests that an eight-day stretch (https://elemental.medium.com/new-science-suggests-how-to-shorten-quarantine-7cad61243428) of quarantine, combined with a Covid test, provides the same level of protection as the traditional 14-day quarantine. But then I saw New York state’s new policy: Some people who arrived from out of state are allowed to quarantine for just four days (https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-travel-advisory). I asked New York’s Department of Health how they’d come to this decision, and they sent me another statement (https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/audio-rush-transcript-governor-cuomo-updates-new-yorkers-states-progress-during-covid-19-16) from Cuomo, in which he said only that he’d “worked with global health experts” on the plan. A formal guidance (https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/11/interm_guidance_travel_advisory.pdf) from the state health department gave no research citations, either, but it did find space to boast about New York’s record of “strict adherence to data-driven, evidence-based protocols.”
https://www.wired.com/story/a-lack-of-transparency-is-undermining-pandemic-policy/

[Winehole23]

A lack of transparency has even shown up in guidance from the World Health Organization. Back in March, I emailed the headquarters in Geneva to ask how they felt so certain at the time that the SARS-Cov-2 coronavirus was not “airborne (https://www.wired.com/story/they-say-coronavirus-isnt-airborne-but-its-definitely-borne-by-air/).” The press office responded to my questions with a pair of unhelpful scientific (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf) documents (http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51). In that case, the decision to omit (or ignore) existing research—which suggested that other coronaviruses are likely to be spread by air—might well have been a deadly mistake.

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Fox News' Geraldo Rivera suggests naming COVID-19 vaccine after Trump (https://theweek.com/speedreads/951057/fox-news-geraldo-rivera-suggests-naming-covid19-vaccine-after-trump)

why not name the vaccine the Trump?" Rivera said.

"Make it like, 'Have you gotten your Trump yet?'

It would be a nice gesture to him."

making the word Trump a "generic name" for the idea of a vaccine against the coronavirus,

https://theweek.com/speedreads/951057/fox-news-geraldo-rivera-suggests-naming-covid19-vaccine-after-trump

"a nice gesture" for Rivera and Trash

https://us.123rf.com/450wm/pivden/pivden1910/pivden191000136/132805871-monkey-uncle-sam-with-raised-middle-finger-sign-fuck-you-vintage-black-engraving-illustration-for-re.jpg?ver=6

[ChumpDumper]

"science-based" is a sell word too.

https://www.wired.com/story/a-lack-of-transparency-is-undermining-pandemic-policy/I think cutting out six hours of late night drinking in bars will probably cut down on behavior that transmits the virus, but I have no scientific studies supporting my hypothesis.

[phxspurfan]

'Have you gotten your Trump yet?'

:rollin

[DMC]

1327830867360681989

Impossible, they are so hard to get.

[Winehole23]

Impossible, they are so hard to get.Folks seem to have moved on, sorry you got stuck again.

[tholdren]

Folks seem to have moved on, sorry you got stuck again.

Lol you need a vax. Lol

[Ef-man]

Lol you need a vax. Lol

Foldren stuck in a fold. :lol

Sorry this is happening to you.

[TimDunkem]

Just show us the pics from Brazil, fold.

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Big Pharma could supply the whole world with a COVID vaccine.

They've chosen not to

The pandemic could end soon for rich countries — but not for developing ones. This is Big Pharma's doing

Now, as these vaccines inch closer to the finish line, I am once again fearful that how we choose to ramp up manufacturing —

and who we decide should be first in line to receive the vaccine — is revealing a darker side of humanity.

For starters, many vaccine doses have already been

pre-pledged :lol

to rich countries.

The Trump administration awarded Moderna and Pfizer billion-dollar contracts in exchange for 100 million doses of their vaccine.

human rights groups have reported that

82% of Pfizer's vaccine supply has already been purchased by a handful of rich countries representing 14% of the global population;

for Moderna, 78% of the doses have been pre-purchased for 12% of the population.

if governments were serious about reaching everybody on the planet,

they could force the pharma companies receiving these billion-dollar contracts to relinquish all patent rights.

Not only has this not happened, but the pharma companies are pulling out all the stops to make sure it won't.

the WHO started the COVID-19 Technology Access Pool (C-TAP),

which includes the Open Covid Pledge, whereby businesses can donate their patents, technology and know-how to help fight the pandemic.

no pharma company developing a COVID-19 vaccine has voluntarily contributed to the Open Covid Pledge.

This includes not only the patents to the vaccines,

but also to all the supporting technology around delivering the vaccines.

Moderna is exceptional so far in the COVID vaccine race because they have said

they will waive all patent rights during the course of the pandemic.


The governments and health bodies (looking at you, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) that bankrolled these pharma companies with billions of dollars had a choice.

They could have stipulated clearly and transparently in their contracts with these drug companies that

all patents for COVID-19 are to be publicly owned and available to all.

They could have —

they just chose not to.
https://www.salon.com/2020/11/21/big-pharma-could-supply-the-whole-world-with-a-covid-vaccine-theyve-chosen-not-to/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/11/21/big-pharma-could-supply-the-whole-world-with-a-covid-vaccine-theyve-chosen-not-to/)

[tholdren]

Just show us the pics from Brazil, fold.

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahhagahahaha


So triggered you asking for personal information

[TimDunkem]

Lmao Personal? Just take a fucking picture at the beach you dumb old faggot.

[tholdren]

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahhagahahaha


So triggered you asking for personal information

Loloooloookoooooookooklll TimDunkem bwahahjajahajahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahaahahahahahahhahahahahahhaahahahahaahhahahahah ahhahahahahahhaahahagauhushsuusususu


Hahahahhaahahahajah

What a loser

[TimDunkem]

:lol Not in Brazil.

[tholdren]

Loloooloookoooooookooklll TimDunkem bwahahjajahajahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhah ahahaahahahahahahhahahahahahhaahahahahaahhahahahah ahhahahahahahhaahahagauhushsuusususu


Hahahahhaahahahajah

What a loser

TimDunkem still responds.
He's my bizzle

[TimDunkem]

:lol Never was in Australia.

[tholdren]

TimDunkem still responds.
He's my bizzle

[Ef-man]

TimDunkem still responds.
He's my bizzle

Foldren is still folding and is the designated forum fizzle.

[tholdren]

TimDunkem bwhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha
Cried by he thought he had covid. Bout to bump

[TimDunkem]

Folden has followed me since 2016 when he was claiming he had more skill in HS pre-3pt line upstairs in the Spurs forum. :lol

Follows me around for years but now complains about me actually responding. :lol What a fold.

Also never went to Brazil.

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Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective

Interim data suggests 70% protection, but

the researchers say the figure may be as high as 90% by tweaking the dose.

the Oxford jab is far cheaper, and is easier to store and get to every corner of the world than the other two.
So the vaccine will play a significant role in tackling the pandemic, if it is approved for use by regulators.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55040635

[Winehole23]

Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective

Interim data suggests 70% protection, but

the researchers say the figure may be as high as 90% by tweaking the dose.

the Oxford jab is far cheaper, and is easier to store and get to every corner of the world than the other two.
So the vaccine will play a significant role in tackling the pandemic, if it is approved for use by regulators.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55040635

Does not require special refrigeration is a plus. :tu

[Winehole23]

nasal spray as prophylaxis

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.18.388645v1.full.pdf

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The drug aprotinin inhibits entry of SARS-CoV2 in host cells

the protease inhibitor aprotinin can inhibit virus replication by preventing SARS-CoV2 entry into host cells.

Moreover, aprotinin appears to compensate for a SARS-CoV2-induced reduction of endogenous protease inhibitors in virus-infected cells.

"Our findings show that aprotinin is effective against SARS-CoV2 in concentrations that can be achieved in patients.

In aprotinin we have a drug candidate for the treatment of COVID-19 that

is already approved for other indications and

could readily be tested in patients."

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-11/guf-tda112320.php

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After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

Some trial participants only got a partial dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine.

Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

AstraZeneca and Oxford “get a poor grade for transparency and rigor when it comes to the vaccine trial results they have reported,”

AstraZeneca has acknowledged a key mistake in the vaccine dosage received by some study participants,

adding to questions about whether the vaccine’s apparently spectacular efficacy will hold up under additional testing.

the error and

a series of other irregularities and omissions (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/world/what-we-know-about-astrazenecas-head-scratching-vaccine-results.html) in the way AstraZeneca initially disclosed the data have

eroded their confidence in the reliability of the results.

the results were not clear.

It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that

the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

[tholdren]

TimDunkem bwhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahaha
Cried by he thought he had covid. Bout to bump

Bwahahahahhahahajajajajjajajahahah


He needs a vax to feel safe

[Ef-man]

Bwahahahahhahahajajajajjajajahahah


He needs a vax to feel safe
Foldren folds.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/32d6f2756a4cda37d79b1337532f1087/tenor.gif?itemid=17952393

[DarrinS]

After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

Some trial participants only got a partial dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine.

Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

AstraZeneca and Oxford “get a poor grade for transparency and rigor when it comes to the vaccine trial results they have reported,”

AstraZeneca has acknowledged a key mistake in the vaccine dosage received by some study participants,

adding to questions about whether the vaccine’s apparently spectacular efficacy will hold up under additional testing.

the error and

a series of other irregularities and omissions (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/world/what-we-know-about-astrazenecas-head-scratching-vaccine-results.html) in the way AstraZeneca initially disclosed the data have

eroded their confidence in the reliability of the results.

the results were not clear.

It was the head of the flagship federal vaccine initiative — not the company — who first disclosed that

the vaccine’s most promising results did not reflect data from older people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html





Of the vaccines so far, its probably the best

[DMC]

Folks seem to have moved on, sorry you got stuck again.

Folks seem to talk out of their asses

[DarrinS]

nasal spray as prophylaxis

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.18.388645v1.full.pdf

Like getting disinfectant into the body

Probably do the same with nasal cleanse 1 part baby shampoo to 100 part water

[Winehole23]

Of the vaccines so far, its probably the bestAstraZeneca getting their own protocol wrong and half-dosing 2700 patients by accident isn't a confidence builder, I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.


If a final analysis, conducted after the inclusion of additional data, concludes the vaccine’s actual efficacy is around 70%, that could be a problem.

“If it’s 70%, then we’ve got a dilemma,” said Fauci. “Because what are you going to do with the 70% when you’ve got two [vaccines] that are 95%? Who are you going to give a vaccine like that to?”

The problem was also flagged in an analysis by Geoffrey Porges of the investment bank Leerink. “We believe that this product will never be licensed in the US,” Porges wrote.

Fauci cautioned that full datasets — which the Oxford researchers said they intend to publish in a scientific journal — need to be pored over before conclusions can be drawn.
​https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/23/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-is-70-effective-on-average-early-data-show/

[Winehole23]

Like getting disinfectant into the body

Probably do the same with nasal cleanse 1 part baby shampoo to 100 part waterYou're pulling my leg, right?

[DarrinS]

You're pulling my leg, right?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26514

[Winehole23]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26514cool

[tholdren]

:lol Never was in Australia.

TimDunkem still responds.
He's my bizzle

[TimDunkem]

Folden has no bitches. He's been following me since 2016.

He's my biggest fan. Doesn't like when he is followed though. Sounds like a bizzle.

[tholdren]

Folden has no bitches. He's been following me since 2016.

He's my biggest fan. Doesn't like when he is followed though. Sounds like a bizzle.

Bwahahhahahaha cry you thought you were dead

[TimDunkem]

^ Lied about Brazil.

[SpursforSix]

AstraZeneca getting their own protocol wrong and half-dosing 2700 patients by accident isn't a confidence builder, I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.

​https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/23/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-is-70-effective-on-average-early-data-show/

This is why I have trouble trusting drug companies. Will be interesting to hear their response to how they screwed this up. There’s a pretty concise WIRED article on it that I’m too lazy to post.

[tholdren]

Bwahahhahahaha cry you thought you were dead

Lololool TimDunkem

[Winehole23]

cool article about the smallpox epidemic of 1721-2 in Boston


On a November day in 1721, a small bomb was hurled through the window of a local Boston Reverend named Cotton Mather. Attached to the explosive, which fortunately did not detonate, was the message: “Cotton Mather, you dog, dam you! I’ll inoculate you with this; with a pox to you.’’ This was not a religiously motivated act of terrorism, but a violent response to Reverend Mather’s active promotion of smallpox inoculation. The smallpox epidemic that struck Boston in 1721 was one of the most deadly of the century in colonial America, but was also the catalyst for the first major application of preventative inoculation in the colonies. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/special-edition-on-infectious-disease/2014/the-fight-over-inoculation-during-the-1721-boston-smallpox-epidemic/

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The major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neanderthals

A recent genetic association study1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3#ref-CR1) identified a gene cluster on chromosome 3 as

a risk locus for respiratory failure after infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

A separate study (COVID-19 Host Genetics Initiative)2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3#ref-CR2) comprising 3,199 hospitalized patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and control individuals showed that

this cluster is the major genetic risk factor for severe symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization.

Here we show that the risk is conferred by a genomic segment of around 50 kilobases in size that is inherited from Neanderthals and is

carried by around 50% of people in south Asia and

around 16% of people in Europe.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

[tholdren]

^ Lied about Brazil.

Only idiots will get a vax

[ElNono]

^ foldren folds

[tholdren]

At the time of this writing, the United States currently maintains the highest number of Covid-19 deaths and ranks 11th for the highest deaths per capita. There have been approximately 262,000 recorded Covid-19 deaths in the United States, which is certainly a concerning number.

However, a new study (link removed or site crashed but now available at Archive.org) published by Dr. Genevieve Briand at Johns Hopkins University notes some critical accounting errors done at the national level. The study – which is still being vetted – simply examines the raw data that should have been questioned months ago. The overall conclusion is that Covid-19, at least according to collected data, is not the killer disease that it is currently hyped up to be. AIER is not endorsing the study as is without further study, but we are interested in the argument being examined and discussed

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, no one died.


:lmao foldren

[tholdren]

At the time of this writing, the United States currently maintains the highest number of Covid-19 deaths and ranks 11th for the highest deaths per capita. There have been approximately 262,000 recorded Covid-19 deaths in the United States, which is certainly a concerning number.

However, a new study (link removed or site crashed but now available at Archive.org) published by Dr. Genevieve Briand at Johns Hopkins University notes some critical accounting errors done at the national level. The study – which is still being vetted – simply examines the raw data that should have been questioned months ago. The overall conclusion is that Covid-19, at least according to collected data, is not the killer disease that it is currently hyped up to be. AIER is not endorsing the study as is without further study, but we are interested in the argument being examined and discussed

Genevieve Briand is the Assistant Director for MS in Applied Economics program. She has taught for the Applied Economics Program since summer, 2015, and currently teaches Microeconomic Theory, Statistics, and Econometrics. She has many years of experience teaching numerous and varied economics and statistics courses. Her fields of interest are microeconomics and econometrics.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao an applied economist

[ChumpDumper]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

It's Randy Quaid.

[Ef-man]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

It's Randy Quaid.

:lmao

[tholdren]

:lmao an applied economist

Chumpdump saying that PhD who teaches statistics is unqualified to publish statistics on covid.

Loloooioooio


Making fun of appearances to prove a point. Low iq.

[Ef-man]

Chumpdump saying that PhD who teaches statistics is unqualified to publish statistics on covid.

Loloooioooio


Making fun of appearances to prove a point. Low iq.

Foldren folding without phd and without math.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump saying that PhD who teaches statistics is unqualified to publish statistics on covid.

Loloooioooio


Making fun of appearances to prove a point. Low iq.

According to this graph constructed using data provided by the CDC from the last 6 years, total deaths have remained relatively constant and increases can be explained by various factors such as a larger population. The spikes in deaths in 2020 are consistent with historical trends, only topping 2018 by 11,292 deaths. There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths

[Ef-man]

According to this graph constructed using data provided by the CDC from the last 6 years, total deaths have remained relatively constant and increases can be explained by various factors such as a larger population. The spikes in deaths in 2020 are consistent with historical trends, only topping 2018 by 11,292 deaths. There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths

Finally, foldren fully folds by acknowledging 262,000 covid related deaths, nice!

[tholdren]

Finally, foldren fully folds by acknowledging 262,000 covid related deaths, nice!

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

[ChumpDumper]

According to this graph constructed using data provided by the CDC from the last 6 years, total deaths have remained relatively constant and increases can be explained by various factors such as a larger population. The spikes in deaths in 2020 are consistent with historical trends, only topping 2018 by 11,292 deaths. There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths


https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[Ef-man]

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

Excellent foldren, 260,000 covid deaths. Glad you have come to terms.

[ChumpDumper]

According to this graph constructed using data provided by the CDC from the last 6 years, total deaths have remained relatively constant and increases can be explained by various factors such as a larger population. The spikes in deaths in 2020 are consistent with historical trends, only topping 2018 by 11,292 deaths. There have been over 262,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 in the United States, yet total deaths have not increased in any alarming capacity; they have only mirrored existing trends. In short, according to 6 years of data collected by the CDC, Covid-19 has not led to any significant increase in deaths


What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”
https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[tholdren]

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

Chumpdump wrong the whole time

[Ef-man]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump wrong the whole time

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[tholdren]

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

Chumpdump answer to science.... a picture.

Lolooookllooo

What a scumbag

[Ef-man]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

Randy Quaid let himself go, like foldren.

[tholdren]

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

Chumpdump crying like TimDunkem hate to see it

[Ef-man]

Chumpdump crying like TimDunkem hate to see it

Foldren coming to terms with 260,000 covid deaths.

[tholdren]

What is even more interesting if not more alarming is that the spike in recorded Covid-19 deaths seen in 2020 has coincided with a proportional decrease in death from other diseases.

Yanni Gu writes

“This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.”

This aligns with many other well-established facts about the virus, such as those with comorbidities are the most at risk. According to the CDC, about 94% of Covid deaths occur with comorbidities. This suggests that it could be possible that a large number of deaths could have been mainly due to more serious ailments such as heart disease but categorized as a Covid-19 death, a far less lethal disease

[tholdren]

Furthermore, Briand’s research notes that the percentage of death has remained relatively constant through all age groups. Covid death statistics seem to mirror the normal distribution of death amongst age groups, further lending credence to the argument that many Covid deaths are recategorized deaths

[tholdren]

Totals deaths over period suggest otherwise you dumb fuck. :lmao

Repugs always using ratios and never totals. :lmao

Lol wrong.

[tholdren]

Look man if we average 30k people dying a month for 60 years and then this one year we start seeing 60k a month for 6 months. That tells you everything you dumb fuck. :lmao

Lol. Look man. You're not only wrong. Your example is ignorant

[tholdren]

Furthermore, Briand’s research notes that the percentage of death has remained relatively constant through all age groups. Covid death statistics seem to mirror the normal distribution of death amongst age groups, further lending credence to the argument that many Covid deaths are recategorized deaths

Titan 0 math iq read this, then tried to belligerently argue

[tholdren]

Look man if we average 30k people dying a month for 60 years and then this one year we start seeing 60k a month for 6 months. That tells you everything you dumb fuck. :lmao

He actually used this



Lolololool

Det math

[ElNono]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

:lmao

[tholdren]

Furthermore, Briand’s research notes that the percentage of death has remained relatively constant through all age groups. Covid death statistics seem to mirror the normal distribution of death amongst age groups, further lending credence to the argument that many Covid deaths are recategorized deaths

[ElNono]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[tholdren]

Furthermore, Briand’s research notes that the percentage of death has remained relatively constant through all age groups. Covid death statistics seem to mirror the normal distribution of death amongst age groups, further lending credence to the argument that many Covid deaths are recategorized deaths

Elwrongwrong doing his crybois dirty work

[ChumpDumper]

Elwrongwrong doing his crybois dirty workhttps://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[tholdren]

Elwrongwrong doing his crybois dirty work

Sad to see cryboi trying to one up TimDunkem with his lies.


Now he's basing science on authors appearances


Lolooollooooll

You cant make this up.

[ChumpDumper]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[tholdren]

Sad to see cryboi trying to one up TimDunkem with his lies.


Now he's basing science on authors appearances


Lolooollooooll

You cant make this up.

He needs a mask.and vax to feel safe!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19
By YANNI GU | November 27, 2020

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[boutons_deux]

As thousands of athletes get coronavirus tests, nurses wonder:

What about us?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/11/27/nurses-athletes-sports-coronavirus-tests

because in Capitalism, athletes are money sources, nurses are money sinks

[tholdren]

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19
By YANNI GU | November 27, 2020

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

BwahahahhahHHHH


Chumpdump sad that norms don't equal raw numbers. Even your post says, use this data in context. = no one healthy is dying from covid. Vast majority elderly and ill.

Thanks for proving the point

[TimDunkem]

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19
By YANNI GU | November 27, 2020

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

LMAO

[ChumpDumper]

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19
By YANNI GU | November 27, 2020

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

Johns Hopkins killed you and Randy.:lol

[TimDunkem]

John Hopkins shitting on fold

[TimDunkem]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

This needs to be fold's permanent avatar after det one.

[boutons_deux]

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19



one of the Internet positives is that it's almost impossible to get away with shit unscathed, if not destroyed.

[ChumpDumper]

This needs to be fold's permanent avatar after det one.Randy got academically curbstomped. f:lolldren just had to hitch his wagon to Randy's star.:lmao

[TimDunkem]

Randy got academically curbstomped. f:lolldren just had to hitch his wagon to Randy's star.:lmao

And fold conveniently slithers away after yet another fail. He'll be back in a few hours to pretend this never happened. :lol

[tholdren]

BwahahahhahHHHH


Chumpdump sad that norms don't equal raw numbers. Even your post says, use this data in context. = no one healthy is dying from covid. Vast majority elderly and ill.

Thanks for proving the point

I win again

[TimDunkem]

Randy :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I win again:lol you and Randy are dead

[tholdren]

I win again

[TimDunkem]

^never wins

[ChumpDumper]

liboi dead

[tholdren]

^never wins

And you're responding to me by the second. I win

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao foldren's been rapid responding ever since March

He lost.

[tholdren]

And you're responding to me by the second. I win

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao foldren's been rapid responding ever since March

He lost.

[TimDunkem]

Old man fold is working overtime today. He's so mad. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Old man fold is working overtime today. He's so mad. :lol:lol Randy's humiliation is killing him.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Randy's humiliation is killing him.

:madrun :madrun lololololololololololkkkkbwahahaha :madrun :madrun

[tholdren]

Chumpdump doesn't understand his post still explains the data is valid

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump doesn't understand his post still explains the data is validRandy.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump doesn't understand his post still explains the data is valid

[ChumpDumper]

Randy.

[tholdren]

Chumpdump doesn't understand his post still explains the data is valid

[ElNono]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

Doctors Use Existing Treatment Earlier To Save The Lives Of Covid-19 Patients

“We show that Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP) in the first days of hospitalisation

seems to save between 10% to 20% of patients.

However it is important to underline that this was a pilot study with a small sample size, although comforting evidence is starting to emerge elsewhere.”

Using CPAP treatment, which is often used at home to help people with sleep problems, helps to keep the lungs open and makes breathing easier.

“When you use CPAP early in the admission it stops the patient getting worse,

therefore avoiding invasive ventilation techniques.

As CPAP is readily available and can be used in a ward setting,

we have demonstrated that, when used early,

it can be very effective way of treating severe COVID-19 pneumonia.

https://scienceblog.com/519714/doctors-use-existing-treatment-earlier-to-save-the-lives-of-covid-19-patients/

$200 - $400 for CPAP machine

[Ef-man]

Sure, open the schools.


More than two dozen Covid-19 cases were traced to youth basketball at a California gym, health officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/us/california-youth-basketball-tournaments-coronavirus/index.html

[Winehole23]

This is why I have trouble trusting drug companies. Will be interesting to hear their response to how they screwed this up. Sounds like they might have to do another trial.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-26/astra-likely-to-run-fresh-global-covid-vaccine-trial-ceo-says

[boutons_deux]

Covid Profits of Pharmaceutical Monopolies vs Peoples’ Lives

there’s been pretty much no coverage in the Western business press of the Médicines Sans Frontières proposal before the WTO,

supported by 99 member states, to waive intellectual property protections for Covid-19 related medications, tests, and equipment.

“Monopolies are often an obstacle between people and the lifesaving health tools they need.

[Intellectual property like]patents and other exclusivities limit supply and keep prices high.

In this unprecedented global emergency, governments have taken an incredibly strong stance at the World Trade Organization (WTO),

proposing to allow countries to temporarily waive the obligations of enforcing patents, trade secrets, and other types of intellectual property (IP) during the COVID 19 pandemic so that everyone everywhere has access to lifesaving treatments, vaccines, tests and medical tools needed to beat back this pandemic.”

99 of the WTO’s 164 Member States currently back the proposal :lol guess? only the poor countries

IP obstacles impact access to essential medical products that go way beyond patents on vaccines and pose a barrier to COVID-19 technologies in both developed and developing countries.

in the Netherlands, there was a shortage of testing materials because

often the diagnostic infrastructure, the testing or the diagnostic, is dependent on proprietary materials.

And in the case of Netherlands early on they were unable to ramp up the testing because Roche was unable to supply the relevant materials.

the business as usual approaches of pharma companies is hindering access.

in Italy, early on in the pandemic, an Italian hospital ran out of ventilator valves. And their regular supplier was unable to provide those valves. So two local engineers reverse engineered and 3D printed the valves.

So the original price of the original valves was 11,000 Euros but the 3D printed valves were as low as $1. And they supplied the Italian hospitals.

the local engineers were unable to scale up to do more 3D printing because of potential legal issues arising from intellectual property rights.

the Governor of Kentucky urged 3M, the holder of the pattern for masks/ N95 masks to release its patent because 3M was unable to provide sufficient supplies.

that has not happened. So there is a shortage there as well of N95 masks.

A major issue is a lot of the R&D [Research and Development] right now is being driven by public investment and there are no strings attached to this this investment.

So pharmaceutical companies are accepting large amounts of sums from taxpayers and

they don’t not have any commitments to share the technology, know how and related intellectual property.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/11/covid-profits-of-pharmaceutical-monopolies-vs-peoples-lives.html

[Winehole23]

Covid Profits of Pharmaceutical Monopolies vs Peoples’ Lives

there’s been pretty much no coverage in the Western business press of the Médicines Sans Frontières proposal before the WTO,

supported by 99 member states, to waive intellectual property protections for Covid-19 related medications, tests, and equipment.

“Monopolies are often an obstacle between people and the lifesaving health tools they need.

[Intellectual property like]patents and other exclusivities limit supply and keep prices high.

In this unprecedented global emergency, governments have taken an incredibly strong stance at the World Trade Organization (WTO),

proposing to allow countries to temporarily waive the obligations of enforcing patents, trade secrets, and other types of intellectual property (IP) during the COVID 19 pandemic so that everyone everywhere has access to lifesaving treatments, vaccines, tests and medical tools needed to beat back this pandemic.”

99 of the WTO’s 164 Member States currently back the proposal :lol guess? only the poor countries

IP obstacles impact access to essential medical products that go way beyond patents on vaccines and pose a barrier to COVID-19 technologies in both developed and developing countries.

in the Netherlands, there was a shortage of testing materials because

often the diagnostic infrastructure, the testing or the diagnostic, is dependent on proprietary materials.

And in the case of Netherlands early on they were unable to ramp up the testing because Roche was unable to supply the relevant materials.

the business as usual approaches of pharma companies is hindering access.

in Italy, early on in the pandemic, an Italian hospital ran out of ventilator valves. And their regular supplier was unable to provide those valves. So two local engineers reverse engineered and 3D printed the valves.

So the original price of the original valves was 11,000 Euros but the 3D printed valves were as low as $1. And they supplied the Italian hospitals.

the local engineers were unable to scale up to do more 3D printing because of potential legal issues arising from intellectual property rights.

the Governor of Kentucky urged 3M, the holder of the pattern for masks/ N95 masks to release its patent because 3M was unable to provide sufficient supplies.

that has not happened. So there is a shortage there as well of N95 masks.

A major issue is a lot of the R&D [Research and Development] right now is being driven by public investment and there are no strings attached to this this investment.

So pharmaceutical companies are accepting large amounts of sums from taxpayers and

they don’t not have any commitments to share the technology, know how and related intellectual property.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/11/covid-profits-of-pharmaceutical-monopolies-vs-peoples-lives.html


:tu

[tholdren]

Sure, open the schools.


More than two dozen Covid-19 cases were traced to youth basketball at a California gym, health officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/us/california-youth-basketball-tournaments-coronavirus/index.html

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.

[boutons_deux]

BigPharma's C-suites and investors must be drooling over the $10Bs they will pocket from the pandemic.

Already, before they announce progress (aka insider information), C-suite buys stock, they announce progress, stocks rise, huge gains, money for nothing.

[tholdren]

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.

[Ef-man]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[tholdren]

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.

Notice not 1 argument

[ChumpDumper]

Notice not 1 argumentI noticed you don't have an argument.

You're yelling at clouds.

"Traveling"

[tholdren]

I noticed you don't have an argument.

You're yelling at clouds.

"Traveling"

Originally Posted by tholdren

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.

[ChumpDumper]

Originally Posted by tholdren

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.Yeah, you're saying nothing.

We get it.

"traveling"

[tholdren]

Originally Posted by tholdren

0 deaths. Cases don't mean anything they do not exclusively test for live virus. They are testing for SARS-CoV-2 not the covid disease.

Can't argue this

[TimDunkem]

^not science

[ChumpDumper]

Can't argue thisYou're not saying anything.

[tholdren]

^not science

It is science


Cases aren't infections.
You think they are
Deaths reported aren't daily deaths
You think they are
Hospitalizations aren't people coming to the hospital because they have covid
You think they are
Covid deaths aren't people who only had covid.
You think they are

[TimDunkem]

^gossip and anti-science

[tholdren]

It is science


Cases aren't infections.
You think they are
Deaths reported aren't daily deaths
You think they are
Hospitalizations aren't people coming to the hospital because they have covid
You think they are
Covid deaths aren't people who only had covid.
You think they are

TimDunkem been had. Can't argue

[DarrinS]

Another mouthwash study

https://labsnews.com/en/news/technology/mouthwash-covid-infection-brazilian-researches/

[ElNono]

Another mouthwash study

https://labsnews.com/en/news/technology/mouthwash-covid-infection-brazilian-researches/

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. Important to point out it's not medicine and not sold as such.

[tholdren]

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. Important to point out it's not medicine and not sold as such.

It is science


Cases aren't infections.
You think they are
Deaths reported aren't daily deaths
You think they are
Hospitalizations aren't people coming to the hospital because they have covid
You think they are
Covid deaths aren't people who only had covid.
You think they are

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[tholdren]

It is science


Cases aren't infections.
You think they are
Deaths reported aren't daily deaths
You think they are
Hospitalizations aren't people coming to the hospital because they have covid
You think they are
Covid deaths aren't people who only had covid.
You think they are

Argue any of it dare you

[TimDunkem]

^Not science.

[Ef-man]

https://advanced.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/genevieve-briand-300x200.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. Important to point out it's not medicine and not sold as such.

"reactive" O2 kills a lot of stuff.

Sounds like "proprietary" scam compared to cheapo, generic hydrogen peroxide, which, used a mouth/throat wash, destabilizes into water and "reactive" (pure) oxygen.

[tholdren]

It is science


Cases aren't infections.
You think they are
Deaths reported aren't daily deaths
You think they are
Hospitalizations aren't people coming to the hospital because they have covid
You think they are
Covid deaths aren't people who only had covid.
You think they are

Conclusion

The risk of death from COVID-19 was significantly influenced by the patients’ DNR status

[TimDunkem]

^gossip and not science

[Winehole23]

bullshitter in chief

1333077055169302530

[ducks]

De Blasio to reopen NYC schools, says he heard parents 'loud and clear'
Reversal comes less than two weeks after mayor said schools were shutting down

[ducks]

I have not heard one person testing positive when they got tested to have surgery

Humm
Maybe the doctors wanted the $ from surgery

[ducks]

Adams said he expects 40 million vaccine doses to be produced by the end of the year and for most Americans to have access to a vaccine by early in the second quarter of 2021.

[boutons_deux]

inflammatory

Baricitinib treatment linked to reduced mortality in COVID-19 patients

The rheumatoid arthritis drug baricitinib can block viral entry and reduce mortality in patients with moderate to severe COVID-19

“We are pleased to report a 71 percent reduction in mortality for the group receiving baricitinib in addition to standard care,”

https://news.ki.se/baricitinib-treatment-linked-to-reduced-mortality-in-covid-19-patients

[Winehole23]

Mask mandates work:

1333115236728049665

[boutons_deux]

BREAKING NEWS ALERT












Cambridge biotech Moderna said it will ask federal regulators Monday to authorize emergency use of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine, after complete results from a late-stage study showed the substance was

94.1 percent effective at preventing the disease and

100 percent effective at warding off severe cases.

The final efficacy results from a clinical trial of 30,000 volunteers

were almost identical to an interim analysis released by the company two weeks ago.

The latest data set the stage for the possibility that at least two vaccines will be

available on a limited basis in the US by the end of the year.

-- Boston Globe email









effective, but safe? side effects?

[boutons_deux]

Immunization program managers are already concerned about the logistics of
(https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2d2c4ab/5fc561c89d2fda0efb79a911/59740db3ade4e21a8493fdae/11/47/5fc561c89d2fda0efb79a911):nerd

A shot. A wait. Another shot:

Two-dose coronavirus vaccine regimens will make it harder to inoculate America


“Two doses more than doubles the logistical challenges of administering the vaccines,”

“The moving parts have to align.”

A two- or three-dose dose regimen is routine for building immunity against many illnesses,

but it is unprecedented in a pandemic when

the public health goal is to vaccinate 60 to 70 percent of the population within months to reach herd immunity and stop the virus’s spread.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/two-shots-covid-vaccine/2020/11/27/b852a19a-2f24-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

[Ef-man]

CNN reporting Dr. Scott Atlas resigns from Trump administration.

Rats jumping ship.

[tholdren]

Mask mandates work:

1333115236728049665

They don't. The baseline data for mask mandate was worse and they had more cases after publication... fakenews

[Ef-man]

They don't. The baseline data for mask mandate was worse and they had more cases after publication... fakenews

Nothing but the fold for foldren, no facts, no science, no links. Sad but true.

[tholdren]

They don't. The baseline data for mask mandate was worse and they had more cases after publication... fakenews

[Ef-man]

Foldren folding again with nothing to back his claims.

[Winehole23]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[ChumpDumper]

They don't.Yes they do. You're pwnt.

And you're not traveling.

[boutons_deux]

The Race to Make Vials for Coronavirus Vaccines

A Corning factory in upstate New York is running around the clock to help meet the urgent demand.

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5fbebe235fc79395b74d10d3/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/201207_r37498.jpg


After many months in which the covid-19 pandemic has brought misery to much of the world, new vaccines will soon be ready for distribution.

Getting them to people who need them will require

more than a billion vials to be manufactured, filled, and shipped,

at top speed and in some cases under extreme stress.

Standard medical vials—made of borosilicate—often break as they’re filled, and just one damaged vial can ruin a batch of doses and stop a production line.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/12/07/the-race-to-make-vials-for-coronavirus-vaccines

[boutons_deux]

Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3642/htm

[tholdren]

Vitamin D Insufficiency May Account for Almost Nine of Ten COVID-19 Deaths

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/12/3642/htm

Lol

[Ef-man]

Lol

Botons does not like you either but derp is brokeback, pm him.

[Winehole23]

Healthcare workers and others recommended for the first COVID-19 inoculations could start getting shots within 24 hours after the vaccine receives regulatory authorization, the chief adviser for the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program said on Tuesday.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-distribut-idUSKBN28B5DH

[tholdren]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-distribut-idUSKBN28B5DH

Give it all to 65 plus. Only people who need it.

[boutons_deux]

Study finds metformin reduced COVID-19 death risks in women

Conducted by the University of Minnesota Medical School and UnitedHealth Group, it is one of the world's largest observational studies of COVID-19 patients


significantly reduced COVID-19 death risks in women

reduces inflammation proteins like TNF-alpha that appear to make COVID-19 worse.

women with diabetes or obesity,

who were hospitalized for COVID-19 disease and

who had filled a 90-day metformin prescription before hospitalization,

had a 21% to 24% reduced likelihood of mortality compared to similar women not taking the medication.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/uomm-sfm120320.php

[tholdren]

Give it all to 65 plus. Only people who need it.

[Ef-man]

^^^
Wrong

[Winehole23]

Pfizer has cut it its production target in half:


Pfizer has said in recent weeks that it anticipates producing 50 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccine this year. That is down from an earlier target of 100 million doses. Pfizer’s vaccine relies on a two dose regimen, meaning 50 million doses is enough to inoculate 25 million people.

A company spokeswoman said the “scale-up of the raw material supply chain took longer than expected.” She also cited later-than-expected results from Pfizer’s clinical trial as a reason for the smaller number of doses expected to be produced by the end of 2020.
https://in.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine/pfizer-supply-chain-challenges-led-to-slashing-covid-19-vaccine-production-target-wsj-idUSKBN28D3B9

[Winehole23]

Truthers and you firsters will slow down herd immunity.


21% of U.S. adults do not intend to get vaccinated and are “pretty certain” more information will not change their mind.https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/

[Winehole23]

The toll of the pandemic is starkly illustrated by the 54% of Americans who say they know someone personally who has been hospitalized or died due to the coronavirus. Among Black Americans, 71% know someone who has been hospitalized or died because of COVID-19.

[Neo.]

Pfizer has cut it its production target in half:

https://in.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine/pfizer-supply-chain-challenges-led-to-slashing-covid-19-vaccine-production-target-wsj-idUSKBN28D3B9

yet DMC thought this would be an easy process without much logistics to consider :lmao

[Winehole23]

yet DMC thought this would be an easy process without much logistics to consider :lmaoFortunately, Pfizer has got some competition. The Moderna vaccine, for example, does not require special refrigeration.

[tholdren]

Truthers and you firsters will slow down herd immunity.

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/

60 pct of adults, don't need it

[ElNono]

^^^ wrong

[boutons_deux]

Rapid Antigen Tests Are Effective, Cheap, and Could Quash the Pandemic Within Weeks (In Theory)

the rapid antigen test, which functionally measures infectiousness — rather than infection — and which is

extremely cheap and easy to use.

Mina argued (https://time.com/5912705/covid-19-stop-spread-christmas/) that large-scale deployment could stop the spread of COVID-19 by Christmas — many months before even the most optimistic timeline of vaccine rollout could be completed.

we really are not using many rapid antigen tests at all.

Slovakia has had exceptional results. They rolled out exactly the kind of testing program I’ve been pushing, though not at-home testing. They asked half of their country to get tested over a weekend and then did that three weekends in a row. Within a few weeks, they saw incidents drop by like 50 percent.

They had an increasing epidemic. It was exponentially increasing. And they just squashed it. Which makes sense. They found a lot of positives all at once and they stopped all of those positives from transmitting to others.

Every college in New England that’s doing frequent testing. You know, it doesn’t matter if it was PCR or antigen testing — it’s the frequency that really matters. What we’ve seen is that

where there is frequent testing, outbreaks just aren’t happening.

That’s 1.5 million being produced right now. You’d like to see 10 or 20 million per day, I think, right?

I think we could be seeing many, many more of them available

if there was actually some agency in the government behind it, :lol

but that’s kind of where things are at.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/how-rapid-antigen-tests-could-end-the-pandemic-within-weeks.html

Trash's FUCKED UP GOVT fucks up, mortally, over and over and over, in every which way.

74M voted for FUCK UP

[boutons_deux]

Because BigFinance people are superior humans

Bankers ask Trump administration to prioritize financial industry employees for vaccine

https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/flu-vaccine-priority-list/

If BigFinance gets priority, I expect the bankers will subvert vaccines for themselves that they justified/requested for retail staff.

Who expects the "essential" / Exec Order-ed meat packing floor workers, 100Ks infected, many dead, to get any priority?

[Winehole23]

Because BigFinance people are superior humans

Bankers ask Trump administration to prioritize financial industry employees for vaccine

https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/flu-vaccine-priority-list/

If BigFinance gets priority, I expect the bankers will subvert vaccines for themselves that they justified/requested for retail staff.

Who expects the "essential" / Exec Order-ed meat packing floor workers, 100Ks infected, many dead, to get any priority?Overhyped, bank tellers and others coming directly in contact with the public are stipulated. Totally reasonable.

[boutons_deux]

Overhyped, bank tellers and others coming directly in contact with the public are stipulated. Totally reasonable.

yes reasonable plausible but no doubt the top management of big finance will get some of those vaccines for themselves even if that means some of their retail staff don't get it

[tholdren]

yes reasonable plausible but no doubt the top management of big finance will get some of those vaccines for themselves even if that means some of their retail staff don't get it

The CDC’s document on testing guidance now includes the following information:

If you do not have COVID-19 symptoms and have not been in close contact with someone known to have a COVID-19 infection: You do not need a test

[ElNono]

^ wrong

[Winehole23]

Game changer if ferrets are indicative for humans. :wow



Therapeutically administered ribonucleoside analogue MK-4482/EIDD-2801 blocks SARS-CoV-2 transmission in ferrets.

We demonstrate high SARS-CoV-2 burden in nasal tissues and secretions, which coincided with efficient transmission through direct contact. Therapeutic treatment of infected animals with MK-4482/EIDD-2801 twice a day significantly reduced the SARS-CoV-2 load in the upper respiratory tract and completely suppressed spread to untreated contact animals. This study identified oral MK-4482/EIDD-2801 as a promising antiviral countermeasure to break SARS-CoV-2 community transmission chainshttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00835-2


If this ferret-based data is translated into humans, Covid-19 patients treated with [Monulparivir] could become non-infectious within 24 hours of starting treatment. The drug can be taken orally

[Winehole23]

:tu

1335843378571878404

[TimDunkem]

At least 27 states won't get enough vaccines to vaccinate the first recipients. Womp womp womp

[hater]

yet DMC thought this would be an easy process without much logistics to consider :lmao

:lmao Nancy

[hater]

Overhyped, bank tellers and others coming directly in contact with the public are stipulated. Totally reasonable.

:lol I work with finance nigas so Ill be first in line to get a poke? :lmao

No thanks. I can continue meeting w my big banks clients via zoom :lol

[Winehole23]

Game changer if ferrets are indicative for humans. :wow



https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00835-2back on topic...

[Winehole23]

Check out what Robert Kennedy Jr. says at the 1:23:45 time mark.

Lockdowns, masks & vaccines | Ben Swann's Covid podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYVS5YZE_2k


If most people in the lower age groups don't get sick at all or only get mildly sick, it's better to catch covid and get natural immunity than to get the vaccine which might have side effects.
Are you familiar with the studies that show permanent organ damage for people with mild symptoms? The incidence isn't trivial. COVID-19 is a vascular disease too.

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because C:lolsm:lolred is on your ignore list.

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because C:lolsm:lolred is on your ignore list.

[boutons_deux]

Pfizer tells U.S. officials

it cannot supply substantial additional vaccine until late June or July


-- Boston Globe email

[Winehole23]

Agenda
The meeting presentations will be heard, viewed, captioned, and recorded through an online teleconferencing platform. On December 10, 2020, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research’s (CBER), Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) will meet in open session to discuss Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older.


Meeting Materials
FDA intends to make background material available to the public no later than 2 business days before the meeting. If FDA is unable to post the background material on its website prior to the meeting, any background material will be made publicly available at the time of the advisory committee meeting, and additional materials will be posted on FDA's website after the meeting.
https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees/advisory-committee-calendar/vaccines-and-related-biological-products-advisory-committee-december-10-2020-meeting-announcement

[tholdren]

The CDC’s document on testing guidance now includes the following information:

If you do not have COVID-19 symptoms and have not been in close contact with someone known to have a COVID-19 infection: You do not need a test

[Ef-man]

Foldren folds, nothing new, nothing to see.

[tholdren]

Foldren folds, nothing new, nothing to see.

You need a vax to feel safe lllooooo

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[Winehole23]

Ivermectin, topically applied in the nose and mouth, is starting to look like a legit therapy.


If we consider the following facts:

1) Drops and sprays are a major source of human-to-human transmission.
2) The sources mentioned above depend on different sizes of saliva droplets.
3) The contagion comes from symptomatic and asymptomatic patients.
4) The proportion of asymptomatic patients exceeds 30% of all cases.
5) The concentration of ivermectin and carrageenan is adequate in the nasal mucus and salivary glands.
6) The combined oral solution can offer double protection: on the one hand, it reduces the spread and, on the other hand, it reduces the viral load.
7) Both (ivermectin and carrageenan) are present in the international pharmacopoeia, and their use is widely accepted.
8) Their respective “off label” applications do not involve any risk.
9) Health Personnel are constantly at risk of contagion, thus locking down all their co-workers, and preventing the community from the access to appropriate health care.

We conclude that by using ivermectin in oral solution and carrageenan in nasal spray form, we are providing an inexpensive, safe and effective means to protect people from contagion and serious forms of the disease.
https://medicalpressopenaccess.com/upload/1605709669_1007.pdf

Mini roundup of other ivermectin studies:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220325066

background: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/11/whats-up-with-ivermectin

[Winehole23]

Positive mortality benefit, reduced time to clinical recovery, reduced incidence of disease progression and decreased duration of hospital admission were reported in patients across all stages of clinical severity

[boutons_deux]

Should You Remove Carrageenan from Your Diet?

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/carrageenan

hmm, nothing's free

Carrageenan is from Irish/British red seaweed (bulk power on Amazon)

ivermectin is vermicide for dogs :lol

but a very encouraging study

[DarrinS]

Ivermectin, topically applied in the nose and mouth, is starting to look like a legit therapy.

https://medicalpressopenaccess.com/upload/1605709669_1007.pdf

Mini roundup of other ivermectin studies:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220325066

background: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/11/whats-up-with-ivermectin


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286223&p=10317018&viewfull=1#post10317018

[Winehole23]

Should You Remove Carrageenan from Your Diet?

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/carrageenan

hmm, nothing's free

Carrageenan is from Irish/British red seaweed (bulk power on Amazon)

but a very encouraging study

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/ee6/30a/7623f7fdb78f199f495a32ba148b359561-09-joe-biden-ice-cream-cash.rsquare.w700.jpg

[Winehole23]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286223&p=10317018&viewfull=1#post10317018You're welcome :lol

[DarrinS]

From hearing on early outpatient treatments.

Testimony of Dr. Pierre Kory at 5:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2fzoF3qB3k

[Winehole23]

From hearing on early outpatient treatments.

Testimony of Dr. Pierre Kory at 5:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2fzoF3qB3kI am pretty much never going to watch a video you post --can you put it in a nutshell or post a transcript?

[DarrinS]

I am pretty much never going to watch a video you post --can you put it in a nutshell or post a transcript?

You can go fuck yourself, tbh.


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution-part-ii

[Winehole23]

You can go fuck yourself, tbh.


https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution-part-iiPersonal preference, talking head videos annoy me, so does the ten o' clock news.

[DarrinS]

We need EUA for Ivermectin NOW.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXgaG5bgNdE


Dr. Joseph Varon, in red scrubs, is the Houston doctor in this iconic photo.

http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/uploads/news2/2020/12/Dr_Varon_hugs_an_elderly_man.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Ivermectin, topically applied in the nose and mouth, is starting to look like a legit therapy.

https://medicalpressopenaccess.com/upload/1605709669_1007.pdf

Mini roundup of other ivermectin studies:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220325066

background: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/11/whats-up-with-ivermectin

Starts at 1:30:15


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hGVeZGfEnU

[DarrinS]

Vitamin D. Lot of good info


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

[SnakeBoy]

Vitamin D. Lot of good info


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

Vitamin D is the one you called pretty early that really should be promoted by public health officials. Plenty of science now to show that vitamin D levels > 40 ng/ml reduce serious illness by a lot (up to 70% I think it was).

I was surprised to learn that testing vitamin D levels isn't done by so many doctors.

[DarrinS]

Vitamin D is the one you called pretty early that really should be promoted by public health officials. Plenty of science now to show that vitamin D levels > 40 ng/ml reduce serious illness by a lot (up to 70% I think it was).

I was surprised to learn that testing vitamin D levels isn't done by so many doctors.


So much potential benefit with very low risk. I was taking 2000 IU/day in summer. I'm taking 4000/day now.

What do you think about Ivermectin?

[SnakeBoy]

So much potential benefit with very low risk. I was taking 2000 IU/day in summer. I'm taking 4000/day now.

What do you think about Ivermectin?

TWIV guys discuss it in the video I just posted to Winehole.

Just after that they talk about the vaccine which is worth listening to.

Yeah I'm taking 3000-4000 IU/day now that it's winter.

[boutons_deux]

Chinese-made COVID-19 vaccine is 86% effective, early data suggest

https://www.livescience.com/sinopharm-china-vaccine-uae-approval.html

[SnakeBoy]

Chinese-made COVID-19 vaccine is 86% effective, early data suggest

https://www.livescience.com/sinopharm-china-vaccine-uae-approval.html




Interesting that it's less than the mRNA vaccines since Sinovac is the inactivated SARS-CoV-2 virus vaccine.

[koriwhat]

What do you think about Ivermectin?

Did you hear about that from the Bongino Show the other day? I think that's where I heard of said drug but I listen/watch so many different sources I can never keep an account of them all.

Heard it's available at the Tractor Co. Supply store for horses or something like that.

[koriwhat]

Anyone know when that Moderna going to drop in San Antonio? I'm ready to be first in line.

Yes please be first!

[koriwhat]

Chinese-made COVID-19 vaccine is 86% effective, early data suggest

^ This commie loves him some CCP.

[Splits]

Did you hear about that from the Bongino Show the other day? I think that's where I heard of said drug

:lmao Bongino

[spurraider21]

:lmao Bongino
he promises he's not right wing tho lmao

[DarrinS]

Anyone know when that Moderna going to drop in San Antonio? I'm ready to be first in line.


Yeah, because that's how it works.

[Winehole23]

(I think the stick up his butt has a stick up its butt)

[koriwhat]

he promises he's not right wing tho lmao

I listen/read/watch a multitude of different voices/shows/articles. Am I also left wing since I go out of my way to listen/read/watch progressive/liberal outlets?

You see everything as black & white while knowing damn well there's always a grey area to be had. Glad I'll never need your council tbh.

[koriwhat]

Thank God for the Anti-Vaxxers and Karens that won't be taking it. :lol

I will literally drive you to get your shot. No need for gas money. I would love to help you become more subservient bro. :tu

[Splits]

Am I also left wing since I go out of my way to listen/read/watch progressive/liberal outlets?


When and what is the name of the outlet you did this? A link would be nice.

[Neo.]

I will literally drive you to get your shot. No need for gas money. I would love to help you become more subservient bro. :tu

are you going to break out your mma skills on him during the drive?

[Neo.]

Dude is a 90lb kid. I would literally break him in 10 seconds. :lol

but hes had professional training

he will beat any of us up with arms and legs tied behind his back

[SnakeBoy]

Did you hear about that from the Bongino Show the other day? I think that's where I heard of said drug but I listen/watch so many different sources I can never keep an account of them all.

Heard it's available at the Tractor Co. Supply store for horses or something like that.

The one for horses is if you want apple flavored, for beef flavor you'll need to get the one for dogs.

[spurraider21]

I listen/read/watch a multitude of different voices/shows/articles. Am I also left wing since I go out of my way to listen/read/watch progressive/liberal outlets?

You see everything as black & white while knowing damn well there's always a grey area to be had. Glad I'll never need your council tbh.
its not just a question of what you listen to. i listen to morons like shapiro and prager all the time. doesnt make me any more right leaning.

seemingly every belief/opinion that you share is right wing. that you go do bongino for actual information instead of parody is also telling

[SnakeBoy]

its not just a question of what you listen to. i listen to morons like shapiro and prager all the time. doesnt make me any more right leaning.

seemingly every belief/opinion that you share is right wing. that you go do bongino for actual information instead of parody is also telling

Bongino is way better than shapiro. Surprised you can listen to Shapiro, I can't lol.

Prager is aight in moderation.

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/conselfowns/status/1337444534838386688?s=21

thoughts and prayers and the blood of Jesus will protect y'all

my heart (-felt schadenfreude) goes out

[benefactor]

Approved tbh

[DMC]

Bongino is way better than shapiro. Surprised you can listen to Shapiro, I can't lol.

Prager is aight in moderation.
Shapiro talks way too fast, seems like a debater, like Hitchens without the clever one liners and polished retorts (and slow, perfect speech pattern and English accent). He doesn't strike me as someone who says things based on facts, but based on popularity of commentary.

[DarrinS]

Massive failure by our NIH

Pretty much NO recommendations for early treatments and still pushing Remdesivir


https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/_static/images/covid_gl_figure2.png

[ChumpDumper]

No hydroxychloroquine, Dr. Darrin?

[Winehole23]

Massive failure by our NIH

Pretty much NO recommendations for early treatments and still pushing RemdesivirWhat do you think the NIH should recommend?

[DarrinS]

What do you think the NIH should recommend?

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/

[ElNono]

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/

"When I looked at it, I thought it was actually not very evidence based," says Michelle Gong, MD, chief of the Division of Critical Care Medicine at Montefiore Health System in New York City. "It is not something I would recommend for my doctors to do outside of a clinical trial."

The protocol authors push back against the necessity and feasibility of randomized control trials.

There is no time for a randomized control trial right now, says Jose Iglesias, DO, associate professor at Hackensack Meridian School of Medicine at Seton Hall and critical care specialist at Community Medical Center and Jersey Shore University Medical Center in New Jersey. "Time is limited. We're busy bedside clinicians taking care of patients, and patients who are dying."


Good read...

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934083#vp_1

[Winehole23]

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/Nothing too exotic there besides the off-label Ivermectin. Looks like you need a prescription for that. Having looked it up and skimmed over a few things, I'd definitely want to talk to my doc before taking it. Everything else there is an OTC supplement or standard advice to mask up and social distance.

I see no info about Quercitin under the "Medical evidence" tab at the link you posted, what does it do for COVID? it's a bit of a red flag for me that FLCCC Alliance would recommend it without including any information about what it does for COVID-19 on its website.